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Session Start: Mon Jul 06 00:00:00 2015
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[20:30:05] <edsu> I was wondering if someone could offer me some advice
[20:30:16] <edsu> I had an edit reverted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Daniel_J._Caron
[20:30:23] <edsu> oops sorry, that's the talk page
[20:30:46] <edsu> here's the revert https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_J._Caron&type=revision&diff=668892306&oldid=667626430
[20:31:19] <edsu> I noticed that the only edits that Noisetrash has made to Wikipedia concern this article about Daniel J Caron
[20:31:37] <edsu> and that they were to remove content, or discuss removing the content on the talk page
[20:32:36] <edsu> they reverted an edit I made which had a citation
[20:32:45] <edsu> to a canadian newspaper
[20:33:15] <edsu> does this seem suspicious to anyone else ; what's the process for contesting a revert like that?
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[21:06:04] <matthewburton> i’m looking at an article on a scientific topic, with a dispute regarding a paragraph based on a non-peer-reviewed source that contradicts claims made in a peer-reviewed journal. What’s the policy/precedent on this?
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[21:07:51] <marktraceur> matthewburton: I'd imagine you could include both points of view on the topic.
[21:08:03] <marktraceur> Something like "some claim that X, others claim that Y"
[21:09:08] <matthewburton> the issue (and that isn’t necessarily the case with this article) is that the world is full of scientific cranks with blogs
[21:09:28] <marktraceur> Blogs don't work with WP:RS anyway.
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[21:11:24] <matthewburton> well, it’s being accepted in this case
[21:11:37] <matthewburton> it’s a professional blog. i wouldn’t call the author a crank. but it’s not peer-reviewed.
[21:11:54] <matthewburton> do the two sources deserve equal billing?
[21:13:16] <marktraceur> A blog? No.
[21:13:21] <marktraceur> It's still a blog.
[21:18:52] <matthewburton> “Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.” — WP:RS
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[21:43:42] <marktraceur> matthewburton: Well, then, you know the policy better than I do, and you should ignore me. :P
[21:44:01] <matthewburton> :-) just came across that
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[22:15:46] <Chia> Is there an easy way to embed external images
[22:15:59] <Chia> ie, on Wikia you paste the URL of an image from another website and it embeds
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[22:16:10] <Chia> whereas on WP it just is a link, no embedded image
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[22:17:21] <marktraceur> Chia: We don't really do that. What is the image of?
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[22:17:46] <Chia> yeah not for an actual article
[22:18:05] <Chia> I want to embed some website favicons in {{Infobox military conflict}} for a screenshot
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[22:18:25] <marktraceur> Chia: Can you be more specific? Which favicons? Can you link to them?
[22:19:06] <Chia> http://www.reddit.com/static/spreddit5.gif http://www.faviconer.com/uploads/21/823/favicon.png
[22:19:13] <Chia> though they're not in actual .ico format
[22:19:33] <Chia> format isn't important. I just want to figure out how to embed external images, if possible
[22:19:34] <marktraceur> Those might both be PD-simple
[22:19:42] <marktraceur> Chia: You can't, no
[22:19:56] <Chia> poop
[22:19:58] <marktraceur> Chia: But I suspect you could upload those to Commons and embed them from there.
[22:20:16] <marktraceur> There is support for external repositories of images, but Commons is the only acceptable one on WP
[22:21:21] <Chia> are you allowed to host images on Commons if you're not going to actually use them for something?
[22:21:37] <marktraceur> Chia: "Yes" to an extent, but they run the risk of being deleted eventually
[22:21:47] <marktraceur> That said, I'm not sure why you would do that then
[22:21:50] <Chia> I'm fine with them being deleted in the future
[22:22:23] <marktraceur> I have to run now though, good luck, maybe join #wikimedia-commons and #wikipedia-en for more help
[22:22:45] <Chia> many thanks marktraceur
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Session Start: Mon Jul 06 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia
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[20:30:05] <edsu> I was wondering if someone could offer me some advice
[20:30:16] <edsu> I had an edit reverted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Daniel_J._Caron
[20:30:23] <edsu> oops sorry, that's the talk page
[20:30:46] <edsu> here's the revert https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_J._Caron&type=revision&diff=668892306&oldid=667626430
[20:31:19] <edsu> I noticed that the only edits that Noisetrash has made to Wikipedia concern this article about Daniel J Caron
[20:31:37] <edsu> and that they were to remove content, or discuss removing the content on the talk page
[20:32:36] <edsu> they reverted an edit I made which had a citation
[20:32:45] <edsu> to a canadian newspaper
[20:33:15] <edsu> does this seem suspicious to anyone else ; what's the process for contesting a revert like that?
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[21:06:04] <matthewburton> i’m looking at an article on a scientific topic, with a dispute regarding a paragraph based on a non-peer-reviewed source that contradicts claims made in a peer-reviewed journal. What’s the policy/precedent on this?
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[21:07:51] <marktraceur> matthewburton: I'd imagine you could include both points of view on the topic.
[21:08:03] <marktraceur> Something like "some claim that X, others claim that Y"
[21:09:08] <matthewburton> the issue (and that isn’t necessarily the case with this article) is that the world is full of scientific cranks with blogs
[21:09:28] <marktraceur> Blogs don't work with WP:RS anyway.
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[21:11:24] <matthewburton> well, it’s being accepted in this case
[21:11:37] <matthewburton> it’s a professional blog. i wouldn’t call the author a crank. but it’s not peer-reviewed.
[21:11:54] <matthewburton> do the two sources deserve equal billing?
[21:13:16] <marktraceur> A blog? No.
[21:13:21] <marktraceur> It's still a blog.
[21:18:52] <matthewburton> “Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.” — WP:RS
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[21:43:42] <marktraceur> matthewburton: Well, then, you know the policy better than I do, and you should ignore me. :P
[21:44:01] <matthewburton> :-) just came across that
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[22:15:46] <Chia> Is there an easy way to embed external images
[22:15:59] <Chia> ie, on Wikia you paste the URL of an image from another website and it embeds
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[22:16:10] <Chia> whereas on WP it just is a link, no embedded image
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[22:17:21] <marktraceur> Chia: We don't really do that. What is the image of?
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[22:17:46] <Chia> yeah not for an actual article
[22:18:05] <Chia> I want to embed some website favicons in {{Infobox military conflict}} for a screenshot
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[22:18:25] <marktraceur> Chia: Can you be more specific? Which favicons? Can you link to them?
[22:19:06] <Chia> http://www.reddit.com/static/spreddit5.gif http://www.faviconer.com/uploads/21/823/favicon.png
[22:19:13] <Chia> though they're not in actual .ico format
[22:19:33] <Chia> format isn't important. I just want to figure out how to embed external images, if possible
[22:19:34] <marktraceur> Those might both be PD-simple
[22:19:42] <marktraceur> Chia: You can't, no
[22:19:56] <Chia> poop
[22:19:58] <marktraceur> Chia: But I suspect you could upload those to Commons and embed them from there.
[22:20:16] <marktraceur> There is support for external repositories of images, but Commons is the only acceptable one on WP
[22:21:21] <Chia> are you allowed to host images on Commons if you're not going to actually use them for something?
[22:21:37] <marktraceur> Chia: "Yes" to an extent, but they run the risk of being deleted eventually
[22:21:47] <marktraceur> That said, I'm not sure why you would do that then
[22:21:50] <Chia> I'm fine with them being deleted in the future
[22:22:23] <marktraceur> I have to run now though, good luck, maybe join #wikimedia-commons and #wikipedia-en for more help
[22:22:45] <Chia> many thanks marktraceur
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