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The pure and simple fact is, they're evil people.

The pure and simple fact is, they're evil people.

But what about neo-Communists ? (and many other leftists)

''But what about neo-Communists ? (and many other leftists)''

When you bring up the topic of nearly '''100,000,000 civilians''' torchered and killed under '''Communist governments''' in the 20th century (not including deaths from wars, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bla...k_of_Communism), they react in the same way as the 4 catagories above. Another excuse leftists make for this attrocity is that they were not "true perfect" Communist societies; well you could say that Germany wasn't a "true fascist" State too.....  

*When you bring up the topic of nearly '''100,000,000 civilians''' torchered and killed under '''Communist governments''' in the 20th century (not including deaths from wars, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bla...k_of_Communism), they react in the same way as the 4 catagories above.  

*Another excuse leftists make for this attrocity is that they were not "true perfect" Communist societies; well you could say that Germany wasn't a "true fascist" State too.....  

*Public schools barely touch (if even mention) the Communist mass killings, and Hollywood has put out how many films about this ''? 1 ? 2 ?'' And yet, the Communists killed several times more of their own civilians than the Nazis did! Think it's '''fair''' to say leftists that fit those 4 catagories are as evil as neo-Nazis ?

*Public schools barely touch (if even mention) the Communist mass killings, and Hollywood has put out how many films about this ''? 1 ? 2 ?''  

 

And yet, the Communists killed several times more of their own civilians than the Nazis did!  

 

Think it's '''fair''' to say leftists that fit those 4 catagories are as evil as neo-Nazis?

 

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== Research on Wikipedia’s Communist Propaganda Articles (former Yugoslavia) ==

== Research on Wikipedia’s Communist Propaganda Articles (former Yugoslavia) ==

'''The Balkan World According to Wikipedia''':

'''The Balkan World According to Wikipedia''':

According to Wikipedia if a Commander happens to lose 100 000 POWs after WW2, it is not that important. Sixty years later it was established that they were murdered and place in old mine shafts, caves and forests. The information is not to be mention in his biography as it is irrelevant.

 

According to [[Wikipedia]] if a Commander happens to lose an estimates of '''100 000 POWs''' after [[World War Two]] , it is not that important. Sixty years later it was established that they were murdered and place in old mine shafts, caves and forests. The information is not to be mention in his biography as it is irrelevant.

On the 23rd of April in 1948, in a speech '''Harry Truman''' (the President of USA) stated:  

On the 23rd of April in 1948, in a speech '''Harry Truman''' (the President of USA) stated:  

Reference  from: Keeping Tito Afloat by Lorraine M. Lees <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=-Xkv7ym8hDYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Keeping+Tito+Afloat:+The+United+States,+Yugoslavia,+and+the+Cold+War&client=safari&cd=1#v=snippet&q=%20tito%20trade%20papers%20four%20hundred%20thousand&f=false Keeping Tito Afloat] by Lorraine M. Lees.Keeping Tito Afloat draws upon newly declassified documents to show the critical role that Yugoslavia played in U.S. foreign policy with the communist world in the early years of the Cold War. After World War II, the United States considered Yugoslavia to be a loyal Soviet satellite, but Tito surprised the West in 1948 by breaking with Stalin. Seizing this opportunity, the Truman administration sought to "keep Tito afloat" by giving him military and economic aid.</ref>  &  Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman: Mission and Power in American Foreign Policy by Anne R. Pierce <ref> American Foreign Policy by Anne R. Pierce</ref> ''(declassified documents from the 1990s)''

Reference  from: Keeping Tito Afloat by Lorraine M. Lees <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=-Xkv7ym8hDYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Keeping+Tito+Afloat:+The+United+States,+Yugoslavia,+and+the+Cold+War&client=safari&cd=1#v=snippet&q=%20tito%20trade%20papers%20four%20hundred%20thousand&f=false Keeping Tito Afloat] by Lorraine M. Lees.Keeping Tito Afloat draws upon newly declassified documents to show the critical role that Yugoslavia played in U.S. foreign policy with the communist world in the early years of the Cold War. After World War II, the United States considered Yugoslavia to be a loyal Soviet satellite, but Tito surprised the West in 1948 by breaking with Stalin. Seizing this opportunity, the Truman administration sought to "keep Tito afloat" by giving him military and economic aid.</ref>  &  Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman: Mission and Power in American Foreign Policy by Anne R. Pierce <ref> American Foreign Policy by Anne R. Pierce</ref> ''(declassified documents from the 1990s)''

Bennett, a British journalist who has the good fortune to speak both Slovenian and Croatian, a skill that has enabled him to draw heavily on literature of the region that would be unavailable to most American or British journalists.

Bennett, a British journalist who has the good fortune to speak both Slovenian and Croatian, a skill that has enabled him to draw heavily on literature of the region that would be unavailable to most American or British journalists.

*Vladimir Tismaneanu: The Crisis of Marxist Ideology in Eastern Europe: The Poverty of Utopia. ''"Tito was a season Stalinist"''  <ref>The Poverty of Utopia by Vladimir Tismaneanu</ref>

*Vladimir Tismaneanu: The Crisis of Marxist Ideology in Eastern Europe: The Poverty of Utopia. ''"Tito was a season Stalinist"''  <ref>The Poverty of Utopia by Vladimir Tismaneanu</ref>

*''Item B''- '''Z. Dizdar''': An Addition to the Research of the Problem of Bleiburg & Way of the Cross                   

*''Item B''- '''Z. Dizdar''': An Addition to the Research of the Problem of Bleiburg & Way of the Cross                   

According to the research of ''Z.Dizdar'', Partisan General Aleksandar Rankovic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Ranković] [http://files.osa.ceu.hu/holdings/300/8/3/text/86-3-147.shtml] was only answerable to Tito (page 128). Aleksandar Rankovic play a major role in these executions and the only person that could to give Rankovic such an order, was Tito. The report also states that there were huge Camps housing POWs, amongst them were women and children. On page 182 (66) it states that there were '''24 422 children''' in the camps.<ref>[http://74.125.155.132/scholar?q=cache:Xmg34OucoOoJ:scholar.google.com/++RESEARCH+OF+THE+PROBLEM+OF+BLEIBURG+AND+WAY+OF+THE+CROSS+++ZDRAVKO+DIZDAR+djeca+logor&hl=en&as_sdt=2000  Hrcak Portal of Scientific Journals of Croatia by Mr Dizdar's Scientific Journal - An Addition to the Research of the Problem of Bleiburg & Way of the Cross.] This paper dedicated to the 60th anniversary of these tragic events represents a small step towards the elaboration of known data and brings a list of yet unknown and unpublished original documents, mostly belonging to the Yugoslavian Military and Political Government 1945-1947.</ref>

According to the research of ''Z.Dizdar'', Partisan General [http://files.osa.ceu.hu/holdings/300/8/3/text/86-3-147.shtml Aleksandar Rankovic] was only answerable to Tito (page 128). Aleksandar Rankovic play a major role in these executions and the only person that could to give Rankovic such an order, was Tito. The report also states that there were huge Camps housing POWs, amongst them were women and children. On page 182 (66) it states that there were '''24 422 children''' in the camps.<ref>[http://74.125.155.132/scholar?q=cache:Xmg34OucoOoJ:scholar.google.com/++RESEARCH+OF+THE+PROBLEM+OF+BLEIBURG+AND+WAY+OF+THE+CROSS+++ZDRAVKO+DIZDAR+djeca+logor&hl=en&as_sdt=2000  Hrcak Portal of Scientific Journals of Croatia by Mr Dizdar's Scientific Journal - An Addition to the Research of the Problem of Bleiburg & Way of the Cross.] This paper dedicated to the 60th anniversary of these tragic events represents a small step towards the elaboration of known data and brings a list of yet unknown and unpublished original documents, mostly belonging to the Yugoslavian Military and Political Government 1945-1947.</ref>

*Treba kazati kako su postojali još posebni logoru za folsdojčere, kojisu još 21. XI. 1944. od Predsjedništva AVNOJ-a proglašeni kolektivnimkrivcima i neprijateljima naroda, na osnovi cega je od nove komunistickevlasti izvršena konfisciranja njihove imovine te zapoceo njihov progon,uhicivanja i upucivanja u logore.130 Tako je 18. I. 1946. u jugoslavenskimlogorima bilo 117.485 folksdojcera (58.821 žena, 34.214 muškaraca i24.422 djece)

*Treba kazati kako su postojali još posebni logoru za folsdojčere, kojisu još 21. XI. 1944. od Predsjedništva AVNOJ-a proglašeni kolektivnimkrivcima i neprijateljima naroda, na osnovi cega je od nove komunistickevlasti izvršena konfisciranja njihove imovine te zapoceo njihov progon,uhicivanja i upucivanja u logore.130 Tako je 18. I. 1946. u jugoslavenskimlogorima bilo 117.485 folksdojcera (58.821 žena, 34.214 muškaraca i24.422 djece)

(Opširnije o tome vidi: V. GEIGER, 200)

(Opširnije o tome vidi/ for more details: V. GEIGER, 200)

== Communist Propaganda &  Cult of Personality Within the Former Yugoslavia ==

== Communist Propaganda &  Cult of Personality Within the Former Yugoslavia ==

The Yugoslav Communist state propaganda machine shared much with the Soviet Union. The Soviet format was imposed and then slightly modified. Tito's cult of personality was no different<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=Mi9b2yenE0kC&pg=PA91&dq=cult+of+personality+Josip+broz+tito&client=safari&cd=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false Governing by Committee: Collegial Leadership in Advanced Societies] by Thomas A. Baylis. Communist Collective Leadership, page 91</ref>. The Yugoslav Communist state used '''youth indoctrination''' (Union of Pioneers of Yugoslavia[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Pioneers_of_Yugoslavia]), which were all too similar to the Soviet Union (Young Pioneer of the Soviet Union [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneer_organisation_of_the_Soviet_Union]) and the People's Republic of China  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneers_of_China]. Communist political, historical and philosophical courses were all part of general education <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=GxuXQW58E14C&pg=PA197&dq=Democratic+transition+in+Croatia+value+transformation+Tito's+cult+of+personality&client=safari&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false Democratic transition in Croatia: Value Transformation, Education & Media] by Sabrina P. Ramet, Davorka Matic Chapter- History Teaching in the Time of Socialist Yugoslavia, page 198</ref>. They can be found in any Yugoslav primary school textbook from the 1970s.

The Yugoslav Communist State propaganda machine shared much with the Soviet Union. The Soviet format was imposed and then slightly modified. Tito's cult of personality was no different<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=Mi9b2yenE0kC&pg=PA91&dq=cult+of+personality+Josip+broz+tito&client=safari&cd=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false Governing by Committee: Collegial Leadership in Advanced Societies] by Thomas A. Baylis. Communist Collective Leadership, page 91</ref>. The Yugoslav Communist state used '''youth indoctrination''' (Union of Pioneers of Yugoslavia[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Pioneers_of_Yugoslavia]), which were all too similar to the Soviet Union (Young Pioneer of the Soviet Union [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneer_organisation_of_the_Soviet_Union]) and the People's Republic of China  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneers_of_China]. Communist political, historical and philosophical courses were all part of general education <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=GxuXQW58E14C&pg=PA197&dq=Democratic+transition+in+Croatia+value+transformation+Tito's+cult+of+personality&client=safari&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false Democratic transition in Croatia: Value Transformation, Education & Media] by Sabrina P. Ramet, Davorka Matic Chapter- History Teaching in the Time of Socialist Yugoslavia, page 198</ref>. They can be found in any Yugoslav primary school textbook from the 1970s.

Media and arts were used as a powerful means of propaganda and were all placed under heavy censorship. Josip Broz Tito was the main subject. Images, monuments, towns, street names, '''endless awards''' were given and a never ending production of books, films and poetry were created. Financially a huge amount of resources were used to keep the Communist propaganda and political activities running on a daily basis. Glorification and hero worship of the charismatic figure,<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=Rf8P-7ExoKYC&pg=PA192&dq=cult+of+personality+Josip+broz+tito&client=safari&cd=10#v=onepage&q=cult%20of%20personality%20Josip%20broz%20tito&f=false Religious Separation and Political Intolerance in Bosnia and Herzegovina] By Mitja Velikonja. Ref/Chapter Integral and Organic Yugoslavism, page 192 </ref>  Josip Broz were a constant diet for the former peoples of Yugoslavia.

Media and arts were used as a powerful means of propaganda and were all placed under heavy censorship. Josip Broz Tito was the main subject. Images, monuments, towns, street names, '''endless awards''' were given and a never ending production of books, films and poetry were created. Financially a huge amount of resources were used to keep the Communist propaganda and political activities running on a daily basis. Glorification and hero worship of the charismatic figure,<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=Rf8P-7ExoKYC&pg=PA192&dq=cult+of+personality+Josip+broz+tito&client=safari&cd=10#v=onepage&q=cult%20of%20personality%20Josip%20broz%20tito&f=false Religious Separation and Political Intolerance in Bosnia and Herzegovina] By Mitja Velikonja. Ref/Chapter Integral and Organic Yugoslavism, page 192 </ref>  Josip Broz were a constant diet for the former peoples of Yugoslavia.

Professor Ivo Goldstein’s[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Goldstein] work  ''above'' proves that Josip Broz, put simply, was a bad economist and the Communists Party members were bad economists too. According to these and other references [http://books.google.com/books?id=pSxJdE4MYo4C&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=Ivo+Goldstein+josip+broz+tito&source=bl&ots=LhBvNMaOlk&sig=xzaZOyX2NizYEnvG6LFgv5_sh2c&hl=en&ei=DrDmSsKeNI-PkQXukOTBBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=liberation%20of%20belgrade%20october%201944&f=false], this was one of the reasons that contributed to the break-up of Yugoslavia. As this was such a historical event, this information should be in the Wikipedia article in order to make it more encyclopaedic.

Professor Ivo Goldstein’s[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Goldstein] work  ''above'' proves that Josip Broz, put simply, was a bad economist and the Communists Party members were bad economists too. According to these and other references [http://books.google.com/books?id=pSxJdE4MYo4C&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=Ivo+Goldstein+josip+broz+tito&source=bl&ots=LhBvNMaOlk&sig=xzaZOyX2NizYEnvG6LFgv5_sh2c&hl=en&ei=DrDmSsKeNI-PkQXukOTBBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=liberation%20of%20belgrade%20october%201944&f=false], this was one of the reasons that contributed to the break-up of Yugoslavia. As this was such a historical event, this information should be in the Wikipedia article in order to make it more encyclopaedic.

== While Visiting the Croatian Coast ''by'' 200.112.16.153==

== While Visiting the Croatian Coast ''by'' IP 200.112.16.153==

While visiting the '''Croatia''' coast (Dalmatia) of the Adriatic Sea, western journalists usually admire her ancient towns. They notice almost everywhere that the regional architecture is “heavily influenced” by a “Venetian” flavour. Years ago, a famous chef posing in front of a XVI century Dalmatian building for a documentary, claimed that its architecture was “quintessentially Croatian“. In the past, certain Western writers were almost convinced (and disgusted) that Croatians “imitated” Venetian and Italian Renaissance architecture in building Dalmatian towns. Today, Croatian and international tourist guides are presenting the rich artistic patrimony of Dalmatian coastal towns as essentially “Croatian” or “a reflection of Croatia‘s history“. They almost never mention the autochthonous Italians (about 80.000 in 1800s) who lived there since Roman times and who built those architectural jewels before disappearing in modern times. Where did they go? Almost all of them became refugees. They were the victims of the first ethnic cleansing documented in the Balkans.  

While visiting the '''Croatia''' coast (Dalmatia) of the Adriatic Sea, western journalists usually admire her ancient towns. They notice almost everywhere that the regional architecture is “heavily influenced” by a “Venetian” flavour. Years ago, a famous chef posing in front of a XVI century Dalmatian building for a documentary, claimed that its architecture was “quintessentially Croatian“. In the past, certain Western writers were almost convinced (and disgusted) that Croatians “imitated” Venetian and Italian Renaissance architecture in building Dalmatian towns. Today, Croatian and international tourist guides are presenting the rich artistic patrimony of Dalmatian coastal towns as essentially “Croatian” or “a reflection of Croatia‘s history“. They almost never mention the autochthonous Italians (about 80.000 in 1800s) who lived there since Roman times and who built those architectural jewels before disappearing in modern times. Where did they go? Almost all of them became refugees. They were the victims of the first ethnic cleansing documented in the Balkans.  

Following a first exodus toward the end of the 1800s, in 1905 in Rome a ''Dalmatian Italian Association'' to help the refugees was founded.  

Following a first exodus toward the end of the 1800s, in 1905 in Rome a ''Dalmatian Italian Association'' to help the refugees was founded.  

Then, after WWI tens of thousands of Dalmatian Italians abandoned their towns and villages in 1920-1930s and settled on Italian territory. During [[World War Two|Word War Two]] a third and final exodus. The winning [[Titoism and Totalitarianism|Communist]] movement embraced the Croatian’s irredentist cause and included it in its war strategy and national political platform. The consequence was the violent expulsion of  Italian speaking autochthonous inhabitants from the entire Eastern Adriatic coastline - from the southern Dalmatia to the Istrian peninsula - and the consequential erasing of two millennia of a very rich civilisation. Ethnic cleansing had happened in many parts of Europe in both old and modern times, so the demographic and cultural extirpation of Italian presence in Dalmatia, the Quarnero region and Istria is not really a new phenomena. But this slow, brutal and in 1945 also military operation had an unexpected development, something very peculiar. After erasing almost all the Italian speaking population in Dalmatia proper, without succeeding completely in the Quarner region and Istria, Communist Yugoslavia adapted a new form of genocide: the stealing of the “enemy’s” history in order to obliterate his memory and aggrandise the country. Completely ignored in the West, this skulduggery is a new Pandora’s box-Balkan style.  

Then, after WWI tens of thousands of Dalmatian Italians abandoned their towns and villages in 1920-1930s and settled on Italian territory. During [[World War Two]] a third and final exodus. The winning [[Titoism and Totalitarianism|Communist]] movement embraced the Croatian’s irredentist cause and included it in its war strategy and national political platform. The consequence was the violent expulsion of  Italian speaking autochthonous inhabitants from the entire Eastern Adriatic coastline - from the southern Dalmatia to the Istrian peninsula - and the consequential erasing of two millennia of a very rich civilisation. Ethnic cleansing had happened in many parts of Europe in both old and modern times, so the demographic and cultural extirpation of Italian presence in Dalmatia, the Quarnero region and Istria is not really a new phenomena. But this slow, brutal and in 1945 also military operation had an unexpected development, something very peculiar. After erasing almost all the Italian speaking population in Dalmatia proper, without succeeding completely in the Quarner region and Istria, Communist Yugoslavia adapted a new form of genocide: the stealing of the “enemy’s” history in order to obliterate his memory and aggrandise the country. Completely ignored in the West, this skulduggery is a new Pandora’s box-Balkan style.  

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia Croatia], a country of about 5 million inhabitants, has “nationalised” the history of her Adriatic coastline, a territory that had never been part of the Slavic hinterland, historically, politically and culturally. In order to totally “Croatianize“ the coastal territories, the country is manipulating their history and striving to “show” the world that Dalmatia, the Quarner region and Istria have “always” been Croatian. There is no actual political contingency to justify this operation: the old Italian irredentism ended up definitely in the dustbin of the history, and no other countries - except for Slovenia - have pressing territorial ambitions toward Croatia. Never methodically investigated, nobody knows how and when these history misappropriations started. In 1858-60 Ivan Kukuljevic Sakcinski, who belonged to Croatian nobility, published his “Slovnik umjetnikah jugoslavenskih”, an encyclopaedic dictionary of Slav artists (then, Croatia was under Hungarian domination and Yugoslavia was still a dream). In this book among Slavic artists you can find the painter Vittore Carpaccio - born in Venice, 1460/65 ca. - 1525/26 ca. - only because Carpaccio used to create religious paintings commissioned by churches in Istrian peninsula and Dalmatia. Kukuljevic Sakcinski, a hot-headed nationalist, “opined” that the artist’s last name derived from a Croatian root: “Krpaci, Skrpaci or Krpatici”.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia Croatia], a country of about 5 million inhabitants, has “nationalised” the history of her Adriatic coastline, a territory that had never been part of the Slavic hinterland, historically, politically and culturally. In order to totally “Croatianize“ the coastal territories, the country is manipulating their history and striving to “show” the world that Dalmatia, the Quarner region and Istria have “always” been Croatian. There is no actual political contingency to justify this operation: the old Italian irredentism ended up definitely in the dustbin of the history, and no other countries - except for Slovenia - have pressing territorial ambitions toward Croatia. Never methodically investigated, nobody knows how and when these history misappropriations started. In 1858-60 Ivan Kukuljevic Sakcinski, who belonged to Croatian nobility, published his “Slovnik umjetnikah jugoslavenskih”, an encyclopaedic dictionary of Slav artists (then, Croatia was under Hungarian domination and Yugoslavia was still a dream). In this book among Slavic artists you can find the painter Vittore Carpaccio - born in Venice, 1460/65 ca. - 1525/26 ca. - only because Carpaccio used to create religious paintings commissioned by churches in Istrian peninsula and Dalmatia. Kukuljevic Sakcinski, a hot-headed nationalist, “opined” that the artist’s last name derived from a Croatian root: “Krpaci, Skrpaci or Krpatici”.

Today nobody is noticing and condemning this threatening phenomena. These charlatans with a master degree are doing a tremendous disservice first of all to their own country. They are also dangerous. In a region in the past tremendously violent and today with so many unsolved problems, this kind of piracy is very ominous and should be stopped.  

Today nobody is noticing and condemning this threatening phenomena. These charlatans with a master degree are doing a tremendous disservice first of all to their own country. They are also dangerous. In a region in the past tremendously violent and today with so many unsolved problems, this kind of piracy is very ominous and should be stopped.  

*Preceding unsigned comment added ''by'' ''200.112.16.153'' (28 December 2009)

*Preceding unsigned comment added ''by'' ''IP 200.112.16.153'' (28 December 2009)

== When ethnicity did not matter in the Balkans: a study of identity in pre ... By John Van Antwerp Fine ==

== When ethnicity did not matter in the Balkans: a study of identity in pre ... By John Van Antwerp Fine ==