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John Van Antwerp Fine: "''In 879, under him, Dalmatian Croatia, now free of Frankish suzerainty, received papal recognition as a state. ... 864), ruled until about 910, when he was apparently succeeded by Tomislav, probably his son.''" [http://books.google.com.au/books?id=YbS9QmwDC58C&pg=PA261&dq=Medieval+Dalmatia+Croatia+tomislav&hl=en&ei=yWr9TcG5J4uqvQOLx7G1Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Medieval%20Dalmatia%20Croatia%20tomislav&f=false The early medieval Balkans by John Van Antwerp Fine Page 260]
 
John Van Antwerp Fine: "''In 879, under him, Dalmatian Croatia, now free of Frankish suzerainty, received papal recognition as a state. ... 864), ruled until about 910, when he was apparently succeeded by Tomislav, probably his son.''" [http://books.google.com.au/books?id=YbS9QmwDC58C&pg=PA261&dq=Medieval+Dalmatia+Croatia+tomislav&hl=en&ei=yWr9TcG5J4uqvQOLx7G1Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Medieval%20Dalmatia%20Croatia%20tomislav&f=false The early medieval Balkans by John Van Antwerp Fine Page 260]
 
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs  Wikipedia - Slavs]
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This is interesting: www.hic.hr: Latin as a literary language among the Croats (up till 1848), Vecernji.hr: Preživjeli ledeno doba: Hrvati su prastanovnici Europe (Vecernji.hr: Surviving an ice age: the Croats are descendants of prehistoric Europe)

  • More than three quarters of today's Croatian men are the descendants of Europeans who inhabited Europe 13000-20000 years ago. They survived the last ice age within certain regions on Europe.

The Early Beginnings of Formal Education - Vela Luka (beginnings of literacy and Lower Primary School 1857 – 1870): "Talijanski je jezik bio ne samo službeni jezik u svim dalmatinskim javnim usta-novama, već pretežito i govorni jezik u znatnom broju činovničkih, službeničkih i tr-govačkih obitelji u gradovima i većim trgovištima." (Italian language was not only the official language in all public Dalmatian establishments, but also was the spoken language in a significant number of white-collar, civil service and merchant families in the cities and major markets within towns)


Note to self: There is a major difference between...

  • raids
  • settlement
  • mass migrations
  • within the Kingdom of Croatian (925–1102AD) all of her citizens weren't ethnic Croatian Slavs.

Danijel Dzino: "In addition, pope Gregory the Great mentioned the 'Slav' raid of Istria in a worried letter to Maximus the" this is regarding Slavic raids north of Dalmatia in 600AD. May be the first mention of Slavs arriving in Roman Dalmatian but as Danijel Dzino states it does not have to mean "mass migrations". Becoming Slav, Becoming Croat: Identity Transformations in ... Page 88

John Van Antwerp Fine: "In 879, under him, Dalmatian Croatia, now free of Frankish suzerainty, received papal recognition as a state. ... 864), ruled until about 910, when he was apparently succeeded by Tomislav, probably his son." The early medieval Balkans by John Van Antwerp Fine Page 260

Translation

(Croatian)

Jedan od prvih primarni izvor spomenuti hrvatsko-Hrvat identitet na Balkanu je Dux Cruatorum Branimero ili kneza Branimira (latinski: dux Croatorum). On se pojavio na kameni natpis, c. 880 AD. Kneza Branimira je Slaven iz Dalmacija. Hrvat ili Horoúathos su imena od Sarmat podrijetla. U 1853 Ruski arheolog Pavel Mihajlovič Leontjev otkrio Tanaisa tablete. Tablete Tanaisa spominju tri čovjeka: Horoúathos, Horoathos i Horoathos (Χορούαθ [ος], Χοροάθος, Χορόαθος). Oni su pisani na grčkom i u 3. stoljeća iz grada Tanaisa, današnjeg Azov, Rusiji. U to vrijeme regija je imala mješoviti Grčki - sarmat (iranski) populacije. Termin slavenski prvi su upotrijebili Bizant (tj. Prokop-bizantski učenjak, Jordanes-6. stoljeća rimski birokrata), i bio zabilježen je u 6. st. (cia. 550) na grčki (Σκλαβῖνοι-Sklabenoi). Kasnije na latinskom je pisana Sclaveni.



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