User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2015-07-02

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[07:32] <Raymie> How many FM radio stations fit into one Mexican state? For Veracruz, the answer is 104, and a swollen navbox of redlinks...
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[07:33] <Raymie> All the state radio navboxes in Mexico are out of date, and I’ve been updating them to reflect years of AM FM migration changes. But 104!?!?!?!?
[07:36] <Raymie> I almost wish I had an automated tool to make the navboxes from the IFT list
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[11:11] <{soap|bed}> sad + happy ---> sappy ?
[11:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tacky
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[11:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ello addshore
[11:21] <addshore> :0
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[11:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Did I surprise you that much?
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[12:02] <BarkingFish> Morning guys, I wonder if I could grab some opinions from you please.  I am working around an article at the moment, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(TV_series) - it has a description of all the characters in the show, but I would like to add small thumbnails of them, purely for ID only.
[12:02] <BarkingFish> What kind of images can I use, like screenshots, etc, without breaking copyright?
[12:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> copyright is easy
[12:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> non-free content policy is harder
[12:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd suggest a single image with all your chars
[12:05] <Celestio> Lol sappy
[12:05] <Celestio> hello
[12:06] <{soap|bed}> hi envigado
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[12:08] <BarkingFish> There are no single images with all of the characters present at one time, ToAruShiroiNeko - they would need to be cutouts from individual episodes, since not all of the characters appear in all of the episodes.
[12:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no shorts with multiple characters? no official art?
[12:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that would be strange
[12:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> something like http://wallpaperrich.ga/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/One-Piece-Cast.jpg
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[12:10] <{soap|bed}> 04:28, 27 February 2015 Drmies (talk | contribs | block) changed visibility of 7 revisions on page Bing (TV series): content hidden (RD1: Blatant copyright violations)
[12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_One_Piece_characters
[12:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> note the absence of images
[12:13] <BarkingFish> I'll have a more thorough search of google images, and see if I can come up with something of a similar nature
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[12:14] <BarkingFish> There is a good one, but the problem is that it doesn't show all of the characters.
[12:14] <BarkingFish> actually, I tell a fib. It does show them all :)
[12:15] <BarkingFish> The problem is going to be that it's a copyrighted image.
[12:15] <BarkingFish> https://www.ravensburger.com/produktseiten/1024/07052_1.jpg
[12:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish thats a good one
[12:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it will be a copyrighted image regardless
[12:21] <BarkingFish> I'll have to check the NFCC then
[12:21] <BarkingFish> but if that one's good to fly, so be it!
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[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you need it in lower resolution naturally
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> look at the one piece article as referance
[12:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> On an unrelated note, the US has asked Switzerland to extradite seven Fifa officials arrested on corruption charges in May, Swiss authorities say.
[12:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how is this news?
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[12:34] <Krauss64> Hello, everyone.
[12:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hail
[12:34] <Krauss64> All hail who?
[12:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hail, Hrothgar! Higlac is my cousin and my king.
[12:35] <Krauss64> Is it healthy to die?
[12:35] <KP-> inhale ebola
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dont inhale ebola
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if you want something unhealthy go for pure oxygen
[12:35] <Krauss64> Do people talk abou serious businesses here?
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> actually yes
[12:36] <Krauss64> Oh!
[12:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how can I help?
[12:36] <KP-> tell me 2+2 please
[12:36] <Krauss64> Oh, nothing, at the moment.
[12:36] <Krauss64> 2+2 is 2+2.
[12:36] <KP-> ohk
[12:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats easy... 2 + 2 is... Hmm so sin(x)^2 + cos(x)^2 = 1
[12:37] <KP-> that is really serious businesses
[12:37] <Krauss64> It's not trigonometry.
[12:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 + 2 = 2sin(x)^2 + 2cos(x)^2 + 2ln(e)
[12:37] <Krauss64> It would be more like log(2/-2) up to 4
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[12:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or.
[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 + 2 = 2x(sin(x)^2 + cos(x)^2 + ln(e))
[12:38] <Krauss64> I think it's a Neperian logarithm.
[12:38] <Krauss64> You see, you only have to use 10 as a base.
[12:38] <KP-> Is there any easy way to solve 2 + 2?
[12:38] <Krauss64> Depends on what you consider easy.
[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> KP- I dont know. My calculator doesnt take numbers.
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[12:39] <Krauss64> Then use randomness.
[12:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 + 2 = (100) base 2
[12:39] <Krauss64> In this metaphysical universe, anything is possible.
[12:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh!
[12:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 2+2=2^2
[12:40] <Krauss64> But it's not periodic!
[12:40] <Krauss64> Well, it can be...
[12:40] <Krauss64> Can be be?
[12:41] <Krauss64> Something that is, really is?
[12:41] <Krauss64> Is it possible to be the?
[12:41] <BarkingFish> Bugger.
[12:41] <Krauss64> Well.
[12:41] <BarkingFish> Can someone help me fix an alignment issue please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(TV_series)#Characters
[12:42] <Krauss64> What benefits do we obtain?
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[12:42] <BarkingFish> I managed to get the image uploaded, but it's busted the page layout now.
[12:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Buger?
[12:42] <Krauss64> Fish don't bark.
[12:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Burger!
[12:42] <Krauss64> They growl.
[12:42] <BarkingFish> Never heard of a dogfish?
[12:43] <Krauss64> I've heard of FishFish.
[12:43] <BarkingFish> Anyway, ideally I would like to try and get that image, next to the Characters section, but the infobox on the right is getting in the way.
[12:43] <Krauss64> A fish inside a fish.
[12:43] <Krauss64> A juxtapositiones fish.
[12:43] <Krauss64> Two juxtapositiones fish.
[12:43] <Krauss64> *juxtapositioned
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[12:48] <Krauss64> Is?
[12:49] <Krauss64> I have a question on references.
[12:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> please ask?
[12:50] <BarkingFish> >>Does this look better for the layout? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(TV_series)
[12:50] <BarkingFish> sorry to interrupt.
[12:50] <Krauss64> If I find some information on a Wikipedia, and then put it onto a wikipedia page of another language, do I still have to mention my sources, even though I haven't viewed them personally?
[12:51] <Krauss64> *a Wikipedia page
[12:51] <Krauss64> Do you understand my gramatically-well structured question?
[12:53] <BarkingFish> Yep.  And I think it largely depends on the rules of the wikipedia you're putting them onto.  Some are very lax and do not require sources or refs to even be added to an article, others are so tight you could trampoline off them.
[12:53] <BarkingFish> Are you thinking of doing this on any specific wikipedia, or is this just a general question?
[12:54] <Krauss64> I ment THEIR sources, since I found them on the other Wikipedia page.
[12:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it looks fine
[12:55] <Krauss64> Ok, sorry for my english.
[12:56] <BarkingFish> oh right, then yes you do Krauss64.   We generally ask for references for anything you add to an article, since what is put on here, needs to be verifiable.
[12:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish
[12:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(TV_series)#Characters
[12:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how is that?
[12:57] <Krauss64> Ok, I'm asking that because maybe I don't have those references, but I still want to add that information to my article.
[12:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Krauss64 so how would we know it is not made up?
[12:57] <Krauss64> True.
[12:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean
[12:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont mind trusting good faith users
[12:57] <Krauss64> But it would look like I'm copying someones references.
[12:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but we have had quite a number of people whom added incorrect informaiton intentionally
[12:58] <BarkingFish> Krauss64: then what you would need to do is look at the internet and see if you can find a webpage which mentions the information you wish to add.  We generally don't like self published sources, or "user generated content", where there is no editorial control.
[12:58] <Krauss64> And how do I know that their references are real?
[12:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Krauss64 you can look up their referances?
[12:58] <Krauss64> You don't accept primary sources, right?
[12:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we do
[12:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we generally prefer secondary sources but thats not always possible
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[12:59] <BarkingFish> and ToAruShiroiNeko - that is fantastic!  Nicely done.
[12:59] <Krauss64> But maybe their references are a book which I don't have, or it's hard to fins.
[12:59] <Krauss64> *find
[12:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that can be hard, but libraries do exist
[12:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or you can ask a wikipedian with easier access to one
[12:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you dont have to do this alone.
[13:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this can take time, naturally
[13:00] <Krauss64> Libraries don't have all the books in the world.
[13:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> some do
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[13:01] <Krauss64> Some don't.
[13:01] <Krauss64> Many of them don't.
[13:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a wikipedian may have access to LoC
[13:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that has practically everything imagineable
[13:02] <Krauss64> ?
[13:04] <BarkingFish> any admins on the floor?
[13:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am on the floor but not an admin
[13:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I applied for one but to acuire it I have to freeze hell
[13:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so that snowballs can hanve a chance of survival
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[13:06] <BarkingFish> Back in a tick, I may not need that admin. Just waiting on someone to contact me.
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[13:08] <Krauss64> Has anyone heard of Unununium?
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[13:09] <BarkingFish> I am going to need an admin, I need a block whacking on someone.
[13:10] <BarkingFish> in a moment or two at least.  Maybe not... AARGH!
[13:10] <Krauss64> You enjoy blocking people?
[13:11] <BarkingFish> No, there's a user who is currently using a Wikimedia foundation suffix to their username, and we can't verify whether they're actually WMF staff
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[13:11] <Krauss64> Oh.
[13:11] <BarkingFish> Hi dbrant!
[13:11] <BarkingFish> You might be just the person I'm after.
[13:12] <Krauss64> Hey, can I upload pictures on WC made by me?
[13:12] <dbrant> BarkingFish: hello!
[13:12] <BarkingFish> dbrant: are you able to help with a suspect WMF account on enwp?
[13:13] <BarkingFish> I just spoke to Glaisher, we can't verify if it's genuine, but there was another imposter earlier today apparently.
[13:13] <BarkingFish> I'll pm you details if that's ok.
[13:16] <Krauss64> Excuse me, can flooding damage a chat room?
[13:16] <Krauss64> How can it do it?
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[13:18] <BarkingFish> Flooding can't damage a chatroom, however it can get you kicked or banned from a channel, or k-lined if you do it in more than one channel.
[13:20] <Glaisher> BarkingFish: It's a valid account.
[13:20] <BarkingFish> Thank you for the confirmation, I was just getting dbrant to have a quick hunt as well, since you said it might take a few hours.
[13:20] <BarkingFish> Cheers for the help!
[13:21] <Glaisher> I got in touch with another person.
[13:22] <BarkingFish> Either way, I can rest easy now, knowing that it's not another imposter :P
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[13:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WC as in me?
[13:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am a certain WC>
[13:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :/
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[13:26] <Krauss64> Oh, nothing.
[13:26] <Krauss64> I ment Wikimedia Commons
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[13:27] <Krauss64> Are logarithms fun?
[13:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/1280_720/images/live/p0/2w/3g/p02w3gxh.jpg O_O
[13:29] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko:  hey
[13:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ello
[13:29] <HelloMousie> Washington Navy Yard on lockdown after report of shooter
[13:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ya
[13:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think they should move the navy facility off shore :p
[13:31] <Krauss64> That is macabre.
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[13:31] <HelloMousie> I am so tired. I was wondering why they sound weren't coming out from the speakers... headphones plugged
[13:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> haha
[13:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do that a lot
[13:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I rarely am stupid enough to unplug them when something is playing
[13:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as I turned the volume to max to figure out why no sound is coming
[13:34] <BarkingFish> right guys, I'm going to shuffle.  I need to go fix some shit before I go home.
[13:34] <BarkingFish> see ya
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[13:36] <HelloMousie> I haven't slept in 76 hours my brain and body are failing
[13:39] <comets> \o/
[13:39] <HelloMousie> comets:  do you speak Hindi?
[13:39] <comets> ya
[13:40] <HelloMousie> How different is Fiji Hindi from Indian Hindi?
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[13:40] <comets> fiji hindi is rajasthani hindi ..
[13:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats rough
[13:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> fiji has hindi
[13:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> O_O
[13:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is Fiji stil under military rule?
[13:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Or did the military find a new hoby?
[13:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> say fishing.
[13:43] <comets> soemewhat
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[13:46] <HelloMousie> why do people read side effects of pills....
[13:46] <HelloMousie> Medicine that is...
[13:46] <HelloMousie> All of them got side effects, ugh
[13:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> because it is good to know what to expect
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if I am feeling nasious I can assume that I got ill
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but in fact its the side effect
[13:47] <HelloMousie> Doc gave 12 pills to my mom she threw them all out spent 200 CAD on them
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> also you may chose not to take the medication if you think side effects arent worth it
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd go and read side effects first before blowing money on it
[13:48] <HelloMousie> But its a must
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that reminds me I need to get my bottle of enterol
[13:48] <HelloMousie> All the pills have side fects ..
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not all
[13:48] <HelloMousie> I cant tpye well, lack of sleep and stress getting to me
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> please dont be stressed
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> when in doubt whatch videos of kittens being kittens
[13:49] <HelloMousie> ins't enterol for infectious d....
[13:49] <HelloMousie> diarrhoea
[13:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but it has other uses
[13:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if you get food poisoning for instance
[13:49] <HelloMousie> I would get a typhoid shot
[13:49] <HelloMousie> and avoid outside food :p
[13:49] <HelloMousie> I am sure comets  could cook some fish dishes
�06[13:51] * comets hates fish
[13:51] <comets> yes i can see the irony ..
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[13:59] <HelloMousie> comets:  what do you then?
[13:59] <comets> not fish
[14:00] <HelloMousie> So you can get red meat, and chicken there?
[14:03] <HelloMousie> Do we have any Rachel Raquel on Wikipedia? or IRIC here something
[14:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I try to avoid outside food
[14:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but all my food, save rasberries come from outside
[14:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont have a farm under my command
[14:04] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:  Generals devoting time to a Fishing contest... Isn't that a Phil Shilvers plot?
[14:04] <Qcoder00> XD
[14:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 possible
[14:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> But fiji military is serious buinsess
[14:05] <HelloMousie> Hi Qcoder00
[14:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> They rank 146th
[14:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antigua_and_Barbuda_Defence_Force <- wow
[14:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they have 75 reservists
�06[14:06] * HelloMousie ranks on scale of 1-10 ToAruShiroiNeko , a perfect 8
[14:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you could fill 1/3rd a passenger jet with that
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[14:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Panama has no military? Wow
[14:09] <HelloMousie> I knew a model in Panama, she was a bitch didn't bother to go further with her.
[14:10] <HelloMousie> She was religious "Catholic" yet showed some skin in poses.
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[14:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> By that logic my seat cussion is a catholic
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[14:26] <Krauss64> Hello
[14:26] <Krauss64> Anyone?
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[14:28] <Krauss64> Is Bitcoin valuable?
[14:29] <Krauss64> Can you declare war on death?
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[14:29] <Krauss64> Is it healthy to die?
[14:31] <Krauss64> Are the laws of physics different  in other parts of the planet?
[14:32] <GEOFBOT> hi Krauss64
[14:32] <Krauss64> Hi GEOFBOT
[14:32] <Qcoder00> Krauss - Bitcoin is only as vlaubale as people are prepared topay for it... In this instance its like a [[tradable commidity]]
[14:32] <Krauss64> Are you a bot?
[14:32] <GEOFBOT> why are you panicking
[14:32] <GEOFBOT> no soy un bot
[14:32] <Krauss64> Ah, está bien.
[14:33] <Qcoder00> Krayss64:  A War on death can be declared but it depends on wht you mean by a war
[14:33] <Krauss64> You declare engaging hostile actions to the concept of death.
[14:33] <Qcoder00> Hmm
[14:34] <Krauss64> Well?
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[14:34] <Qcoder00> And on your last point :  "Laws" of physics are understood to be Universal, how those laws affect llocal conditions can vary
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[14:35] <Krauss64> But what about black holes?
[14:35] <Krauss64> They don't follow Newton's laws on gravity.
[14:35] <Qcoder00> Erm..
[14:36] <Krauss64> And they're IN our Universe.
[14:36] <GEOFBOT> well, Newton's law of gravity turns out to be an approximation
[14:36] <Krauss64> True.
[14:36] <Qcoder00> If not read up enough on Relativity to be able to give a sensible answer on Black holes
[14:36] <Qcoder00> I've
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[14:36] <Krauss64> What part of Relativity?
[14:36] <Krauss64> E=mc square¿
[14:37] <GEOFBOT> there was a minutephysics video about newton's gravity being an approximation
[14:37] <Krauss64> Do Kepler's laws and Newton's laws coincide?
[14:38] <GEOFBOT> I am honestly not trained in physics so I don't want to say something wrong and make a fool of myself
[14:38] <Krauss64> Does existence really exist?
[14:39] <Krauss64> Does non-existence exist?
[14:42] <Krauss64> Does it?
[14:42] <comets> guys, take this to #wikipedia-nerds :P
[14:43] <Krauss64> Where is that?
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[14:47] <Krauss64> Does existence exist?
[14:49] <Krauss64> Anyone?
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[14:51] <{soap|bed}> hi
[14:51] <Krauss64> Hi
[14:51] <Krauss64> Do you exist?
[14:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Umm
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[14:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> existence is defined by the absence of existence
[14:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> something exists because it is surrounded by absence of an existence
[14:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I exsit because I am surrounded by an absence of me
[14:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this is #wikipedia-en, don't try to out philosophy us.
[14:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
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[14:52] <Krauss64> How?
[14:53] <Krauss64> In a good way or a bad way?
[14:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> In a funny way
[14:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Blackholes blow.
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[14:53] <Krauss64> What are your thoughts on psychological egoism?
[14:53] <Krauss64> We humans seek our own interests.
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[14:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I try not to think of it.
[14:54] <Krauss64> Why not?
[14:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I spend my time more on more relevant matters
[14:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I currently am contemplating if my wall is a perfect 90 degrees from the floor
[14:55] <Krauss64> Do you like planes?
[14:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do you always ask random questions?
[14:55] <Krauss64> Unless you live in a pyramid.
[14:55] <Krauss64> No, it's just that I edit articles on aircraft.
[14:56] <Krauss64> And create them, of course.
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[14:59] <Krauss64> Is Megalomys Desmarestii a rodent?
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[14:59] <darev> Hello!
[14:59] <Krauss64> Hi darev.
[15:00] <Krauss64> Do you exist as a consciousness?
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[15:03] <HelloMousie> Krauss64: darev stays away from stupidity to be honest.
[15:03] <HelloMousie> And drama.
[15:03] <HelloMousie> I know darev for at least 3 years now.
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[15:04] <Krauss64> Are you insinuating that I am saying stupid things?
[15:04] <Krauss64> They are just philosophical questions.
[15:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
[15:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> she is outright declaring this
[15:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and I +1 it
[15:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> try #philosophy
[15:05] <Krauss64> What is that?
[15:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not our patience.
[15:05] <{soap|bed}> lol.
[15:05] <HelloMousie> I am a she now? Brilliant.
[15:05] <Krauss64> I thought this was a place to discuss Wikipedia issues.
[15:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HelloMousie idea was to confuse Krauss64
[15:05] <{soap|bed}> nice syllepsis
[15:06] <HelloMousie> I have no gender.
[15:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Krauss64 of which you did none of.
[15:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HelloMousie genders are overrated anyways
[15:06] <HelloMousie> I guess you're .5 % correct.
[15:06] <HelloMousie> out of the 1 %
[15:06] <Krauss64> Well, I came to ask a question about references.
[15:06] <HelloMousie> And?
[15:06] <Krauss64> But I guess I'm not welcome here :L
[15:07] <HelloMousie> And?
[15:07] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: I guess Qcoder00  's scores.. +1 is a thing now then.
[15:07] <Krauss64> And what?
[15:07] <Krauss64> I still didn't get my answer.
[15:08] <HelloMousie> Shouldn't you be on the beach or something, after all you're from Spain
[15:08] <{soap|bed}> almost everyone is welcomer here. turst me, youd be gone by now if you werent welcome
[15:08] <Krauss64> That is stereotypicall.
[15:08] <{soap|bed}> sure there's like 68 bans but 67 of them are for the same guy.We're actually pretty friendly and open
[15:08] <Krauss64> I see.
[15:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33366020 <- Durban solves parking problem
[15:09] <Krauss64> Wow.
[15:09] <Krauss64> So what do people discuss here anyway?
[15:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} 67 bans for one person? Thats cute
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[15:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} do you think it would be a good idea to visit the European Parliment as a group?
[15:10] <{soap|bed}> who? us?
[15:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am tempted to give them a peice of my mind
[15:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US wikipedians
[15:10] <{soap|bed}> to protest the FoP thing?
[15:10] <Krauss64> Have you ever checked out the Catalan Wikipedia?
[15:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rather to talk with MPs
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[15:10] <{soap|bed}> yeah i'll go
[15:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> are you anywhere near brussels?
[15:10] <{soap|bed}> me??
[15:11] <{soap|bed}> surely you know who i am?
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[15:11] <{soap|bed}> we've both been in this channel for like 8 years. but OK. No I live in the USA
[15:11] <Krauss64> One last question: If Pinocchio says "my nose will now grow", will it grow or won't it?
[15:12] <{soap|bed}> if there seriously was a pan-Wikipedia meetup in Brussels to protest the new law, though, I would go there just to take part in it
[15:12] <HelloMousie> wow.... I always thought ToAruShiroiNeko  and {soap|bed} were closer to each other as people than me to both of you guess I love you guys the same <3
[15:12] <{soap|bed}> krauss: yes of course it wil
[15:12] <Krauss64> No, there isn't.
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[15:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} I was just checking
[15:12] <Krauss64> Who would care of our benefits?
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[15:13] <Krauss64> You mean the new law that will badly affect Commons?
[15:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> people move around all the time after all
[15:13] <{soap|bed}> i always picture you as this: http://media.womengineer.org/2015/02/chemistrycatpickupline_zps5e5877f6.jpg
[15:13] <Krauss64> Very smart.
[15:14] <{soap|bed}> admitteldy though thats partly because Blofeld used the sig "White Cat" for a while and early on i thought you were the same editor
[15:14] <Krauss64> Am I the typical "newbie" in a chat room, that soon disappears forever?
[15:15] <{soap|bed}> probably
[15:15] <Krauss64> I understand.
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[15:16] <Krauss64> Have you ever thought of having an Einsteinium skeleton?
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[15:18] <{soap|bed}> wouldnt i set off the metal detectors everytime i went shopping?
[15:19] <Krauss64> it must be pretty heavy.
[15:19] <{soap|bed}> and wouldnt i die?
[15:19] <Krauss64> Yes, you would.
[15:19] <Krauss64> Obviously.
[15:19] <{soap|bed}> i'd probably survive for a few minutes or so, just long enouigh to think i was on the world's most poewrful drug trip
[15:20] <Krauss64> But you would be able to melt people.
[15:20] <{soap|bed}> as a side erffect the radiation wold be so strong that everyone who went to my funeral would also die
[15:20] <Krauss64> haha
[15:20] <Krauss64> Your casket would also break under your weight.
[15:21] <Krauss64> But you would be radioactive for only 200 days or so.
[15:22] <Krauss64> Before you synthetized into Mendelevium.
[15:22] <Krauss64> Wait, you would still be radioactive.
[15:22] <Qcoder00> Would it even break a Roman Coffin?
[15:23] <Qcoder00> Which were lead?
[15:23] <Krauss64> Let's see...if you weigh 80kg
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[15:23] <Krauss64> No, if your normal skeleton weighs 30kg
[15:23] <Krauss64> Then an einsteinium skeleton would weigh like 600kg
[15:24] <Krauss64> So yes, it probably would.
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[15:26] <Krauss64> Can death die?
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[15:27] <Krauss64> Hey, ToAruShiroiNeko, have you heard of the Great Attractor?
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[15:42] <HelloMousie> I hate Obama even more
[15:42] <HelloMousie> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11712237/US-blocks-attempts-by-Arab-allies-to-fly-heavy-weapons-directly-to-Kurds-to-fight-Islamic-State.html
[15:42] <HelloMousie> Seriously, this idiot is Iran's agent
[15:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nah
[15:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> such a thing cannot be a simple executive decision
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[15:47] <HelloMousie> I find Obama to be a dick.
[15:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think he has one
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[15:49] <HelloMousie> According to police, 60-year-old Donald F. Beard attached a camera to a long metal pole and used the device to record videos through a window for more than a year.
[15:50] <HelloMousie> While searching Beard's electronic devices, detectives say they uncovered 16 videos of the woman, including one showing her naked. Beard is facing four charges, including using a camera to record a private residence.
[15:50] <HelloMousie> Court documents say Beard told police he wanted to collect evidence of the woman spending time with married men so he could tell their wives.
[15:51] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko:  perfect excuse no?
[15:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[15:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> such a good samaritan
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[16:02] <HelloMousie> vv
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[16:02] <HelloMousie> weird
[16:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah
[16:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> scumbags will be scunbags
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[16:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> please dont take my sarcastic tone as aproval of that detestable behaviour :)
[16:09] <HelloMousie> Of who?
[16:09] <HelloMousie> Did I miss something?
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[16:13] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: Can I ask a weird question?
[16:15] <HelloMousie> Or anyone else.... doesn't matter, my wrist been paining like a *** for 3 weeks, time to go for a check up?
[16:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
[16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would go
[16:19] <HelloMousie> My doctor literally broke a bone by mistake in my finger.
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[16:29] <Interpuncts> wut
[16:29] <Krauss64> Anyone there?
[16:30] <Interpuncts> me, why?
[16:30] <Interpuncts> not that I'm important or anything. I'm really not
[16:30] <Krauss64> Do you know what Unununium is?
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[16:46] <Interpuncts> sounds like a synthesized element or something really science-y
[16:47] <Interpuncts> ah, he's gone
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[17:31] <TrueCRaysball> So quick question: Is there a policy against ignoring an Articles for Creation ruling and moving the page to mainspace yourself as long as you have a consensus from the appropriate WikiProject?
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[17:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TrueCRaysball it would be a spectacularly bad thing to do
[17:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I dont think policy bans it
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[17:45] <TrueCRaysball> ToAruShiroiNeko: Thing is, we created the list article after a LONG LENGTHY discussion the pro wrestling project, and it should have been created in the mainspace right away, the problem took hold when an editor made a mistake and created in the draft space and submitted it to AFC instead. And AFC has now declined it twice.
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[17:52] <{soap|bed}> lol @ "long lengthy"
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[18:04] <TrueCRaysball> {soap|bed}: It's called "emphasis".
[18:05] <KimiNewt> usually you'd put an "and" between those
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[18:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TrueCRaysball argh
[18:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah that would only end bad
[18:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> afds arent that hard to file and you seem to have people that dont want the article in
[18:09] <TrueCRaysball> KimiNewt: I meant to put a comma. But in my rush I forgot it.
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[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wat
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> uh
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hello SailorHaumea
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[19:38] <Interpuncts> are there any other Wikipedia channels that are more active?
[19:40] <{soap|bed}> the help channel possibly. but i never go there
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[19:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} I have seen you go there once secretly >:D
�06[19:45] * Penwhale tosses {soap|bed} into the wash.
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[19:58] <GEOFBOT> gasp, {soap|bed} is dissolving
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[20:07] <Qcoder00> Amortias : Busy?
[20:08] <Amortias> for a little bit fraid so
[20:08] <Qcoder00> I'm up for some comedy some time...
[20:08] <Qcoder00> So when you are free
[20:09] <Amortias> ok am in middle of a finance report so will need to wait till numbers crunched
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[20:20] <KTC> ToAruShiroiNeko, about?
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[20:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> KTC sure
[20:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> always here :p
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[21:31] <JamesEG> perchance there be any astronomers here?
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[22:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> JamesEG yes?
[22:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What is the question?
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[22:17] <JamesEG> have you ever heard of the nickname ‘lord of the rings’ for Saturn?
[22:18] <foks> no
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[22:21] <JamesEG> i mean, sure some people could use it as a colorful title here or there
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[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> JamesEG I have heard ring related words for saturn
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lord wasnt one of them
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> astronomers tend to name things in a boring manner
[22:31] <SigmaWP> what about the motherfucking hexagon on motherfucking saturn
[22:34] <JamesEG> experiment with a spinning circular tub?  morons.  until you can properly simulate a rotating sphere, your experiment is about as useful as stirring mud in the street.
[22:34] <JamesEG> but i thought the eye hole was freakier.
[22:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ?
[22:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection.
[22:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it was a pie hole
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[22:36] <ZeroSerenity> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=474007535
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[23:00] <ZeroSerenity> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=474007535
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[23:18] <JamesEG> Zero Serenity Now?
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[23:19] <JamesEG> or maybe Mal's first ship must be retired, and his next one is named the Serenity-1?
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[23:27] <Lycurgus> wha
[23:27] <Lycurgus> t's the process to stop a thread
[23:27] <Lycurgus> and the associated activity
[23:28] <Lycurgus> on the socialism article
[23:28] <Lycurgus> where you see the template saying the discussion is closed
[23:29] <JamesEG> you mean they are still adding to it?
[23:29] <Lycurgus> looks that way
[23:30] <JamesEG> do your own edit, separating it to a new section, and remind them of the reasons why it was closed?
[23:30] <JamesEG> that way you didn't undo any of their stuff, so they can't complain.
[23:30] <JamesEG> I just made that up now, though.  No idea if it would work.
[23:31] <Lycurgus> i'd like to avoid doing anything adminish on this article
[23:32] <Lycurgus> but looks like CJK won't be satisfied unless there's a "Socialism Lost" section
[23:33] <JamesEG> what initials
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[23:33] <Lycurgus> which is so messed up in so many ways but the main one is that it seems to stand outside time
[23:33] <Lycurgus> that's the user's nick like this is mine
[23:34] <SigmaWP> ... on the socialism article?
[23:35] <JamesEG> well I was guessing that they were initials for the name.
[23:35] <SigmaWP> Lycurgus: Yeah CJK is fucking batshit insane
[23:35] <Lycurgus> i thought "chinese japanese korean" but no idea
[23:35] <SigmaWP> racist
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[23:35] <Oshwah> lol
[23:35] <Oshwah> Hi everyone.
[23:36] <Lycurgus> yello Oshwah
[23:36] <Oshwah> hi Lycurgus
[23:36] <SigmaWP> Lycurgus: I actually just wrote my second reply in that article
[23:36] <SigmaWP> I mean the talk page.
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[23:36] <SigmaWP> Essentially asking him how much research he's actually done on the topic on hand
[23:37] <SigmaWP> Hopefully this stops when he realises that he's too uninformed to say anything
[23:37] <SigmaWP> This may take a while, sadly.
[23:38] <Lycurgus> i try to avoid any negative associations with this persona aside from matter of factness, just hate to see the public discourse clotted like that, i'm sure if it goes on the thread is going to be closed
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[23:38] <SigmaWP> how did you find the discussion anyway
[23:38] <SigmaWP> are people linking to it
[23:39] <Lycurgus> after it kept going on, I stopped looking at the details
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[23:43] <JamesEG> besides, ‘socialism’ is an abstracted or idealized concept.  it can't “lose” in the way that the word should mean, to be unfixed or detached.
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[23:44] <comets> anyone knows how to get rid of that ugly green bullet points on watchlist for good?
[23:44] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: If you wanna talk about that shit you'd better get on the talk page
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[23:44] <JamesEG> yeah, i don't think it would help though.
[23:44] <SigmaWP> probably not
[23:45] <JamesEG> i will, though.
[23:45] <JamesEG> wow that's a tangled mess.
[23:46] <SigmaWP> [16:34:59] <SigmaWP> : Yeah CJK is fucking batshit insane
[23:47] <JamesEG> at least there's a linear timeline
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[23:48] <Lycurgus> comets, you can override css
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[23:49] <comets> it was overwritten before, some idiot re-enabled it recently :/
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[23:49] <Lycurgus> i meant your personal css
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[23:54] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: keep in mind that when you make your edit on that talk page you're choosing to align with either the editors who have read Marx and Lenin and Proudhon and Rousseau and other socialists, or the editors who don't know what they're talking about
[23:54] <JamesEG> ooh battlelines
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[23:55] <JamesEG> anyways i'll just remark on the semantics, like i said.
[23:55] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: there is no such thing as 'neutral' in that thread
[23:55] <SigmaWP> just saying
[23:55] <SigmaWP> choose wisely.