User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-07-01
MyWikiBiz, Author Your Legacy — Sunday September 01, 2024
Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Mon Jul 01 00:00:52 2013 00:01 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:03 -!- rebolyte [~rebolyte@98.164.126.74] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:11 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:12 < LtNOWIS2> I have it bookmarked on this computer 00:12 < LtNOWIS2> a fine Polandball comic: http://i.imgur.com/VvEyavQ.png 00:12 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> there are some weird searching noises coming form next door 00:14 < SuicidalZerg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WEjdJzUdAg 00:15 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> *scratching 00:20 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> http://t.qkme.me/3v0r30.jpg 00:21 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Quit: Leaving... ##justberry] 00:25 -!- PROMOSPAM [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:34 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 00:38 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> the nintendo guy hasnt been here in a while 00:41 < GorillaWarfare> Ecco_the_Dolphin: What, one day? 00:41 < SigmaWP> The reason China had such a horrible 19th and 20th century, and the Qing lost power, is because there was essentially a 60-year period1 of constant war, famine, and a general collapse of traditional society due to the upheavals caused by the introduction of European ways, especially opium, Christianity, and the potato. 00:41 < SigmaWP> The potato 00:41 < SigmaWP> What 00:43 < Firefly67> 3 great addictions - drugs, religion, and carbs 00:43 < Firefly67> SigmaWP ^ 00:43 < SigmaWP> ah 00:47 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 00:49 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> no way 00:49 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> no one gets addicted to potatoes 00:49 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> unless youre saying indirectly that it's for alcohol or something 00:50 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 00:50 < Ironholds> well, you're overthinking 00:50 < Ironholds> it could be economic 00:50 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> come to think of it I dont know any Chinese alcoholic drinks 00:50 < Ironholds> potato is better at thriving than traditional staple foods leading to a population glut as food gets cheaper coupled with rising unemployment in farming classes. 00:51 < heatherw> also they are evil 00:51 < heatherw> little known fact 00:52 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> oh right, they have beer 00:52 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:53 < Ecco_the_Dolphin> I dont drink so I tend to pretty much tune out the signs for alcoholic drinks when I go to restaurants 00:57 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Quit: Good night, and good luck.] 00:59 < Firefly67> Ecco_the_Dolphin: Potato chip addiction is very real. 01:00 < barglfargl> Ecco_the_Dolphin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alcoholic_beverages 01:00 < Firefly67> Ecco_the_Dolphin: Chinese rice wine 01:00 < barglfargl> yeah 01:00 -!- Chenzw|away is now known as Chenzw 01:02 -!- M132T003C_ [~MTC@host86-139-247-51.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:02 -!- M132T003C_ [~MTC@host86-139-247-51.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:02 -!- M132T003C_ [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:09 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:11 -!- rebolyte [~rebolyte@98.164.126.74] has quit [Quit: rebolyte] 01:12 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:21 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:22 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:36 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:36 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:44 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:44 -!- MBisanz [MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45 -!- RAN1 is now known as RAN1_out 01:46 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Quit: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] 01:47 -!- Dodoldea [~0@bas3-sthubert21-2925264557.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 01:51 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:54 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01 -!- Ecco_the_Dolphin is now known as {soap|bed} 02:05 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: Malvolio] 02:09 -!- {soap|bed} [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 02:10 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:15 -!- Lex| [~Lex|@59.95.2.107] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:18 < Lex|> Hello! 02:20 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:22 -!- lbenedix1 [~lbenedix@g225032158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22 < Zhaofeng_Li> Lex|: hi 02:23 < Lex|> One request from my side: has someone the time to review the following article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Maher_%28NGO%29 - thanks a lot :) 02:26 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30 -!- MartijnH [nanananana@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:41 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: ejeeeeeeele :3] 02:46 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:46 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:47 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:48 -!- Isarra [~root@2001:41d0:1:a4b2::1] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:48 -!- Isarra is now known as Guest16919 02:50 -!- Guest16919 [~root@2001:41d0:1:a4b2::1] has quit [Client Quit] 02:55 < Dcoetzee> Hey can anyone help me with adding some new images to suitable articles with suitable captions? 02:55 < Dcoetzee> They're medical images of the heart 02:55 < Dcoetzee> Donated via OTRS 02:56 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:58 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has left #wikipedia-en [] 03:00 -!- galant [~galant@77.28.5.5] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:00 -!- galant [~galant@77.28.5.5] has quit [Changing host] 03:00 -!- galant [~galant@unaffiliated/dekiss] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:02 < Lex|> GorillaWarfare: hi! Maybe you remember me, I requested some help about writing an article of the ngo I volunteer for and after we spoke about the difficulties with requested articles (it is unlikely that it will be created in the next year) I decided to write it myself - of course neutrally (and if possible critically). Now I finished the article as far as possible and it is waiting for review here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_c 03:02 < Lex|> reation/Maher_%28NGO%29 I also tried to find tertiary sources with critisism, but couldn't find any (only statements from an interview with the founder about difficulties in the beginning - and as it is a primary source, I didn't put it in). 03:06 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:07 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@150.255.105.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:10 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@150.255.105.250] has quit [Changing host] 03:10 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:12 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17 -!- Isarra [~root@wikimedia/Isarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:20 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has left #wikipedia-en [] 03:35 < PontoCom> bye, peeplu! 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Maybe you remember me, I requested some help about writing an article of the ngo I volunteer for and after we spoke about the difficulties with requested articles (it is unlikely that it will be created in the next year) I decided to write it myself - of course neutrally (and if possible critically). Now I finished the article as far as possible and it is waiting for review here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_c 06:56 < Lex|> reation/Maher_%28NGO%29 I also tried to find tertiary sources with critisism, but couldn't find any (only statements from an interview with the founder about difficulties in the beginning - and as it is a primary source, I didn't put it in). 06:58 -!- gallant [~galant@77.29.84.49] has quit [Changing host] 06:58 -!- gallant [~galant@unaffiliated/dekiss] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:59 < TeeTylerToe> If he doesn't respond to you here, as a lot of people aren't always watching the room, you could leave a message on his talk page 07:09 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12 < Lex|> ah, thanks TeeTylerToe 07:13 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:13 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:17 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:19 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:25 < NotASpy> Lex|: that's a really rather good article. 07:25 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:27 < Lex|> NotASpy: thank you! I tried my best :) 07:28 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:30 < Lex|> I have to go now - I am actually still working in one of the children's homes. Greetings to all wikipedians. 07:30 -!- Lex| [~Lex|@59.95.2.107] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:33 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:44 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:47 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Client Quit] 07:48 -!- SphtKr [~SphtKr@2a01:e35:2e55:4370:c4fd:a66b:78e3:f087] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:48 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 < wctaiwan> p858snake|l: I take it that it's my connection and not you-know-what? 07:48 < wctaiwan> ...nm 07:48 -!- SphtKr [~SphtKr@2a01:e35:2e55:4370:c4fd:a66b:78e3:f087] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 < p858snake|l> nah wctaiwan, td is doing it to screw with you 07:49 < wctaiwan> friggin' uni connection.. 07:50 -!- Vito_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:50 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:54 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda 08:05 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:05 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:10 -!- Pux [~Pux@p54B3988D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:11 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:12 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:13 -!- springle [~springle@ppp118-208-104-249.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:18 -!- AnuraB [ThrashIRC@123.231.113.250] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 08:18 -!- AnuraB [ThrashIRC@123.231.113.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:21 < AnuraB> CPU:pentium(r) dual-core e5200 @ 2.50ghz Memory:2039MB In-use:67% Display:1152X864 Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Uptime:00:05:01:42 client:ThrashIRC 08:23 < wctaiwan> AnuraB: time to get a new OS :P 08:27 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:28 -!- Heim [~Nat@121.33.251.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:29 -!- Heim [~Nat@121.33.251.49] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:31 -!- QuelqueChoseRose is now known as PinkAmpersand 08:31 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:35 < NotASpy> 5hrs uptime ? 08:35 < NotASpy> 13:35 up 62 days, 14:36, 2 users, load averages: 1.32 1.70 1.74 08:40 < TeeTylerToe> windows 8, it's like apple's lisa, a leap into the past 08:41 < TeeTylerToe> it's a lot better than win 7 though, win 7 home has a limit of 8GB ram. pro 16GB 08:43 < TeeTylerToe> come to think of it xp may have higher ram limits than win 7... or even 8 08:45 * wctaiwan fans NotASpy's ego 08:45 < wctaiwan> >.> 08:47 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as QuelqueChoseRose 08:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what about my ego? 08:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe what about win 8.1 09:01 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:02 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:04 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:08 -!- AnuraB [ThrashIRC@123.231.113.250] has left #wikipedia-en ["Silentium est aureum"] 09:12 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-120.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:13 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:15 -!- JohnLewis_ [JohnLewis@0541d126.skybroadband.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:15 -!- JohnLewis_ [JohnLewis@0541d126.skybroadband.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:15 -!- JohnLewis_ [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:15 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:15 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 09:16 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:16 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:18 -!- TeeTylerToe [~e@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:19 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:22 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:24 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:24 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@host86-148-120-122.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:24 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@host86-148-120-122.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:24 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@wikimedia/the-wub] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:27 -!- SoapX [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:27 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:28 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:32 -!- dirkfranke_ [~chatzilla@p5DDC40D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:33 -!- dirkfranke [~chatzilla@p54AF4F62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:33 -!- dirkfranke_ is now known as dirkfranke 09:44 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:49 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:49 -!- gallant [~galant@unaffiliated/dekiss] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:50 -!- bjelleklang [~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:55 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:58 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:58 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:58 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:01 -!- SuicidalZerg [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01 -!- Vito_ is now known as Vito 10:03 < LtNOWIS2> So apparently Adam Lanza had a few edits to Wikipedia 10:03 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04 < SoapX> do we know his username? 10:04 < LtNOWIS2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaynbred 10:04 < LtNOWIS2> http://www.examiner.com/article/newtown-school-shooter-adam-lanza-may-have-edited-wikipedia 10:04 < SoapX> looks like he was planning the shooting for quite some time then 10:05 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 10:05 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:05 < SoapX> essentially all his known edits were related to mass shootings 10:05 < LtNOWIS2> yeah, crappy media sources, by which I mean the Daily Mail, are saying he was "obsessed" with editing Wikipedia 10:06 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:06 < GorillaWarfare> "While the Wikimedia Foundation and hundreds of Wikipedia volunteers tout how useful and appropriate Wikipedia is for even young school children to use and join in participation, it's worthwhile to note that, literally, some editors of Wikipedia might be mass murderers in the making." 10:06 < GorillaWarfare> Nice, Examiner. 10:07 < LtNOWIS2> Did you know that some public school students ended up being serial rapists? 10:07 < LtNOWIS2> Clearly this reflects poorly on our public schooos. 10:07 -!- ShiningThrough [~cpp@unaffiliated/shiningthrough] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:09 < SoapX> hm 10:09 < SoapX> does that site write about us a lot? 10:09 < SoapX> theyve got an article on Russavia 10:09 < SoapX> I didnt know he was "famous" enough to get mentioned by name in a mainstream newspaper 10:10 < LtNOWIS2> don't know much about the Examiner myself 10:10 < SoapX> me neither 10:10 -!- sujal [~quassel@anon-36-7.vpn.ipredator.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:11 < LtNOWIS2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examiner.com 10:11 < LtNOWIS2> but it's not a "proper" newspaper 10:11 < SoapX> never mind 10:11 < SoapX> it's self-published 10:11 < SoapX> yeah 10:11 < SoapX> still Im sure they dont accept just anything 10:12 -!- dingdreher [~izepstan@217-162-119-102.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:14 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 < LtNOWIS2> but like, essentially the article is from the Hartford Courant 10:15 < LtNOWIS2> and they're just going off of that 10:19 < Dcoetzee> "Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza was obsessed with correcting Wikipedia entries about mass killers, authorities believe." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352249/Revealed-Sandy-Hook-gunman-Adam-Lanza-obsessed-correcting-Wikipedia-articles-mass-killers-admitted-having-bullet-fetish.html 10:19 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:21 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-120.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 10:22 -!- JohnLewis is now known as JL|AWAY 10:22 < SoapX> yeah its him 10:23 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:24 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:24 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:26 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:28 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 10:30 < Slopabottomus> what was his username? 10:30 -!- ShiningThrough [~cpp@unaffiliated/shiningthrough] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30 -!- Pux [~Pux@p54B3988D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:30 < BlastHardcheese> Jimbo Wales :o 10:31 < Slopabottomus> lol 10:31 < BlastHardcheese> why do you think he had to go on wikibreak 10:35 < TheDruId> Prepping for the Mars journey. 10:36 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:38 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38 < BlastHardcheese> wikimars, the free planetary habitat anyone can edit 10:39 < LtNOWIS2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaynbred 10:39 < LtNOWIS2> I was talking about that earlier 10:39 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:40 -!- dingdreher [~izepstan@217-162-119-102.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 10:46 < Slopabottomus> danke 10:46 < Slopabottomus> wikipedia can be pretty much like a spanish telenovela 10:46 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:48 < SoapX> yeah 10:48 < SoapX> though i would just say soap opera 10:48 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:50 -!- JL|AWAY [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:51 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:51 -!- Xolsten [~0@bas3-sthubert21-2925264557.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:52 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda 10:56 -!- Pux [~Pux@p54B3988D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- JL|AWAY [JLAWAY@94.13.84.165] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- JL|AWAY [JLAWAY@94.13.84.165] has quit [Changing host] 10:57 -!- JL|AWAY [JLAWAY@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- JL|AWAY is now known as JohnLewis 10:58 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:05 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:07 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:13 -!- Rcsprinter [~rcsprinte@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:14 < SoapX> hi Rcsprinter 11:14 -!- Guest17741 [Nascar1996@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-plqsgueqsaadxert] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 < Rcsprinter> Hi Soap 11:15 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 -!- Guest17741 [Nascar1996@gateway/shell/freebnc/x-plqsgueqsaadxert] has quit [Changing host] 11:15 -!- Guest17741 [Nascar1996@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 -!- Guest17741 is now known as nas 11:15 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:16 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 11:20 < LtNOWIS2> I think a current DYK article was previously AfD'd 11:20 < LtNOWIS2> and like, nothing has changed since then 11:21 < SoapX> cool 11:21 < SoapX> its nice to know we're getting more lenient 11:21 -!- Chenzw is now known as Chenzw|away 11:21 < LtNOWIS2> over the course of like 6 months? 11:22 < SoapX> how could it be a DYK if it was 6 months ago 11:22 < SoapX> unless you mean it was deleted and re-created as a "new" article 11:23 < LtNOWIS2> I'm talking about the royal baby 11:23 -!- TAP|away is now known as thineantiquepen 11:23 < LtNOWIS2> so yeah, different titel 11:24 < LtNOWIS2> But I can't find the old article's AfD when I'm searching for it 11:24 < LtNOWIS2> I mean I'm ok with the article existing now, but I do want to put the previous AfD tag on the talk page 11:24 -!- wolfgang42 [~quassel@wikipedia/Wolfgang42] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:26 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 11:26 < SoapX> Im sure someone would have noticed if it was a recreation of a previous article, even if under a different title 11:27 < LtNOWIS2> well maybe they didn't know 11:27 < LtNOWIS2> I mean the subject is the same, not the content 11:28 < SoapX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Child_of_Prince_William,_Duke_of_Cambridge 11:29 < LtNOWIS2> nice! How'd you find it. 11:29 -!- galant [~galant@77.29.84.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:29 < SoapX> i just searchjed the AfD archive page for "Prince William" 11:30 < SoapX> anyway i misunderstood you earlier 11:30 < LtNOWIS2> bah, I failed at searching then 11:30 < SoapX> i thought you were saying it was a literal word-for-word recreation with almost no changes 11:31 < LtNOWIS2> but like, if we delete an article on Joe Schmo, and then another editor creates an unrelated article, it's supposed to be deleted again 11:31 < LtNOWIS2> it's like, speedy-able. 11:31 < SoapX> only if the content has no significant changes 11:32 < SoapX> that's generally understood to apply mainly to self-promotion articles where one person is just being stubborn and trying to sneak the article in when others arent watching 11:32 < LtNOWIS2> I'm still adding Template:Old AfD to the talk page. 11:32 < SoapX> or to try to wear out the patience of others 11:34 < SoapX> hey nascar 11:34 < SoapX> you here? 11:34 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:34 < SoapX> Nascar1996 11:34 < Nascar1996> hi 11:34 < SoapX> just curious if the {{REVISIONUSER}} bug was fixed for you 11:34 < Nascar1996> yes? 11:34 -!- Adam_WMDE is now known as addshore 11:34 < Nascar1996> I removed it 11:34 < SoapX> try bringing it back? 11:34 < Nascar1996> k 11:34 < SoapX> or do you not want it anymore 11:35 < Nascar1996> Doesn't matter 11:35 < SoapX> well it seems to be working on someone else's page 11:35 < SoapX> but theirs is actually on the talkpage, not an editnotice 11:35 < SoapX> so i wonder if that might somehow be the reason, even though it was working before 11:36 < Nascar1996> Seems like thats the issue 11:36 < Nascar1996> Still doesn't work 11:37 -!- RAN1_out is now known as RAN1 11:37 < SoapX> ok 11:37 < SoapX> Im guessing something changed in the MediaWiki software that affects only transclusions 11:37 < SoapX> because I believe editnotices are considered the same as transclusions 11:38 -!- JohnLewis [JLAWAY@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39 < SoapX> yeah it doesnt work for me either 11:40 < SoapX> too bad Im not an admin anywhere else or I could test it to see if it's enwiki only 11:41 < SoapX> or wait 11:41 < SoapX> maybe the other wikis allow non-admins to create edit notices 11:41 -!- Denny_WMDE1 [~Adium@p5DDC6A95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 < SoapX> still itll be a pain because i cant delete the mess i make 11:41 < SoapX> so nevermind 11:42 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 -!- Denny_WMDE [~Adium@p5DDC70AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:47 < SoapX> oooops 11:47 < SoapX> i dleeted my alt account's talkpage 11:50 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:51 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:51 -!- MartijnH [~nanananan@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:53 -!- IDoH [~I@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:54 < IDoH> hi 11:56 * wctaiwan offers hay 11:56 * wolfgang42 emits photons towards IDoH 11:56 < IDoH> LOL 11:56 * IDoH eats hay 11:57 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 11:57 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 11:59 < TheDruId> IDoH, Do you sometimes stray into pegasi and unicorns? 11:59 < IDoH> Sometimes, TheDruId. 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You? 12:06 -!- Mystaceus [~llewellyn@cpc12-cbly6-2-0-cust841.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: I'm immensley fucking dead.] 12:07 -!- Archimaredes [~torin@host86-172-86-248.range86-172.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: i like ass too much] 12:13 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:22 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:24 -!- mindspillage [~kat@64-79-125-70.static.wiline.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:24 -!- mindspillage [~kat@64-79-125-70.static.wiline.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:24 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:26 -!- Denny_WMDE1 [~Adium@p5DDC6A95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:31 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-0415.bb.online.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:33 -!- tawker [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Tawker] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34 < SoapX> lol "pegasi" 12:35 < SoapX> I guess pegasuses sounds even sillier though 12:35 < TheDruId> SoapX, I forget to include 'Zebras'. 12:36 < SoapX> apparently zebrae is an allowable plural for zebra 12:36 -!- Jan_telco [~Jan.Eissf@37-4-21-160-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:37 -!- worm_that_turned [~worm_that@wikipedia/Worm-That-Turned] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:37 -!- FastLizard4|zZzZ is now known as FastLizard4 12:38 -!- worm_that_turned [~worm_that@wikipedia/Worm-That-Turned] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:41 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:43 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:44 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:50 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 12:51 -!- Reedy [~quassel@2a01:348:6:8664:d1be:c1ad:9ac:d880] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:51 -!- Reedy [~quassel@2a01:348:6:8664:d1be:c1ad:9ac:d880] has quit [Changing host] 12:51 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:51 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:51 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:51 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:51 < NotASpy> Snowden applying for asylum in Russia, if anybody is interested. 12:51 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:52 < TheDruId> NotASpy, Not Siberia, specifically? Hmn. 12:52 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:53 < SoapX> oh no! 12:53 < SoapX> one of my favorite science fiction authors died 12:53 < NotASpy> teehee. The gulags in particular, TheDruId ? 12:53 < TheDruId> In for a penny, in for a pund. 12:53 < TheDruId> Sorry, *pound. 12:54 < Jan_telco> well, Snowden has done his share since the Germans are up in arms over the NSA the issue isn't going away prior to the federal election in Berlin. Time for him to look for a quiet datscha and retire 12:56 < NotASpy> France is rather displeased too. 12:58 < TheDruId> Maybe he could be elected pope. 12:59 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@94.13.58.88] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:59 < FastLizard4> You know, everyone is kinda displeased about the PRISM issue 12:59 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@94.13.58.88] has quit [Changing host] 12:59 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:59 < FastLizard4> Especially the NSA :P 12:59 < Jan_telco> sure but Paris is both unloved in Washngton anyway and running out of economic might. Having Berlin hinting at vetoing the TTIP, as Merkel just did, hurts your campaign funding even as republican in the run-up to the next Congress re-run next year. 12:59 < FastLizard4> The next U.S. federal election cycle is going to be interesting 12:59 < SoapX> obama will win 13:00 < FastLizard4> 9_9 13:00 < SoapX> Obama is the Putin of America 13:00 < FastLizard4> There's only one problem with that 13:00 < SoapX> sure, therell be someone else whos officially in charge 13:00 < FastLizard4> The Constitution 13:00 < SoapX> but we know who's running things behind the scenes 13:00 < FastLizard4> Then again, they've done a good job of ignoring that already 13:01 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, count me out of 'everyone'. 13:01 < JohnLewis> SoapX: People also say Obama is the Mandela of the world. 13:01 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: Can I read your emails then? 13:01 -!- petan [~pidgeon@wikimedia/Petrb] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:01 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01 < FastLizard4> Just PM me your email addresses and passwords 13:01 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, I haven't had email since 2005. 13:01 < JohnLewis> FastLizard4: I tried that trick on Simon :P 13:01 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:01 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 13:01 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:02 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: So let me guess, you don't use telephones or the Internet either? 13:02 < JohnLewis> FastLizard4: He told me his old schools local sysadmin password instead xD 13:02 < FastLizard4> JohnLewis: Olol 13:02 < FastLizard4> JohnLewis: Username admin, password hunter2 ;) 13:03 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, I'm dropping cell service in September, but my Wikipedia account and here on IRC are my only venues. 13:03 < JohnLewis> FastLizard4: He told you? :O 13:03 < NotASpy> Jan_telco: don't forget upsetting France and Germany could be enormously bad for the USA and their NATO baby. 13:03 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:03 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: So you don't care about the issue since you consider yourself invulnerable? 13:04 < FastLizard4> This is why we have these problems in the first place 13:04 < FastLizard4> This is supposedly a government for the people by the people, but the people don't give a damn 13:04 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, No, I don't care about the issue since I would have given them permission. 13:04 < SoapX> wow I didnt know that there were people with *no* email account 13:04 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: Would you still give them permission if you found out they planned to arrest you as a political prisoner? 13:05 < SoapX> I mean having an email and just not reading it outside of absolutely important things is pretty common. I do that 13:05 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, The US? Sure, would willingly languish in federal jail until they had it sorted. 13:05 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 13:05 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: Not federal prison, Guantanamo Bay 13:06 < FastLizard4> Which is technicall a military prison, not a federal prison 13:06 < FastLizard4> But where all the political criminals go anyway 13:06 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, I wouldn't blend, but would volunteer as a test case. 13:06 < SoapX> in a druid's outfit 13:07 < NotASpy> TheDruId: you would actually trust a federal prosecutor ? The people who would prosecute their own grandmother if they thought it would get them a promotion or a partner position at a top law firm ? 13:07 < FastLizard4> NotASpy: I'm pretty sure TheDruId is either trolling or just totally uninformed/ignorant about the issues at hand 13:07 < FastLizard4> So.... 13:07 * BlastHardcheese reports FastLizard4 for questioning Big Brother 13:07 < TheDruId> NotASpy, no, but I trust the US legal system, including any 12 random jurors. 13:07 < FastLizard4> BlastHardcheese: :O 13:07 < FastLizard4> BlastHardcheese: bb doubleplusgood 13:07 < FastLizard4> :P 13:08 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Client Quit] 13:08 -!- dirkfranke [~chatzilla@p5DDC40D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 13:08 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: "Military" tribunals have no jury 13:08 < SoapX> every time i see your nick i think of this guy: http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/08/13/bonewits-946d77ad9fe47d31648a33318c40740b50637872-s6-c30.jpg 13:08 < NotASpy> TheDruId: but they're not really random, are they. They're chosen by lawyers who have a vested interest in getting assorted fruitcakes, loonies and inbred morons that each side hopes can be persuaded to believe any old hogwash the judge will allow. 13:09 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: I didn't do it!] 13:09 < FastLizard4> TheDruId: And if you're in Guantanamo Bay you either get a military tribunal or no trial or tribunal at all 13:09 < TheDruId> FastLizard4, retired http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/97l.htm . Not ignorant of it. 13:09 < Jan_telco> NotASpy: Hollande is polling in the low 20s, he is as lame a political duck as Obama; Merkel, on the other hand, is pushed to show some action over data protection - a totemic issue over here - by an angry German public, with both the press and the estlishment falling in line to get on the right side of the swing 11 weeks before the election. First time since 1949 that German mainstream politicians use USA and KGB/Stasi/Gestapo i 13:10 < FastLizard4> Jan_telco: Your message cuts off after "Gestapo" (you hit the IRC line limit) 13:10 < BlastHardcheese> you know who else cut off after gestapo 13:10 < FastLizard4> lol 13:10 < Jan_telco> " in comparative sentences and get applause from all audiences (that have a vote). The NSA manages to tick all the toxic boxes of the indeed very dark German past" 13:11 < FastLizard4> I like how people are like "I know the government will be fair in using the surveilance data" even though PRISM is pretty much a line-by-line violation of the Fourth Ammendment 13:11 < BlastHardcheese> you have something to hide, comrade? 13:12 < FastLizard4> BlastHardcheese: EVERYTHING 13:12 * FastLizard4 hides his French cheeses 13:12 < SoapX> pack your bags, flizz, youre going to Gitmo 13:12 < FastLizard4> SoapX: Nah, I'm going to flee to Finland 13:13 < FastLizard4> Also, they can't take me yet, Windows Update isn't done! :P 13:14 -!- nonsenseferret [~nonsensef@wikipedia/nonsenseferret] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:14 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@unaffiliated/jayflux] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:16 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:16 < SoapX> whoa 13:16 < FastLizard4> Hasn't Microsoft supposedly stopped supporting Windows XP? 13:16 < FastLizard4> Or is that not until next year? 13:17 < SoapX> "flash flood warning" says NWS. /me looks outside 13:17 < FastLizard4> O_\ 13:17 < FastLizard4> O_O 13:17 < FastLizard4> Where are you? 13:18 < Bradford> o_o 13:18 < BlastHardcheese> it's next year 13:18 < SoapX> Very heavy rainfall rates of 1 to 3 inches per hour are falling with these showers. Flooding of poor drainage areas in urban and rural areas is possible. Be alert for flash flooding. 13:18 < BlastHardcheese> I mean Windows not floods 13:18 < SoapX> obviously hasnt started yet 13:19 < FastLizard4> 10:18:52 < BlastHardcheese> I mean Windows not floods 13:19 < FastLizard4> Heh 13:19 < FastLizard4> :P 13:19 < SoapX> and yeah I think MS scales down support for old OS's in stage 13:19 < SoapX> *stages 13:19 < FastLizard4> "The National Weather Service will now issue all weather advisories one or more years in advance" 13:22 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22 < SoapX> ok theres the first thunderclap 13:22 < FastLizard4> SoapX: Build your boat now! 13:23 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24 < LtNOWIS2> Sigh. There's a 24 year old state legislator running for the US Congress in Maine. 13:24 < FastLizard4> LtNOWIS2: 24? :O 13:24 < FastLizard4> Not bad 13:25 < LtNOWIS2> Yeah, good for him, depressing for me 13:25 < FastLizard4> Why depressing for you? 13:25 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:26 * FastLizard4 kicks Active Directory in the shin 13:27 -!- mordelon is now known as DJMalik 13:27 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrjyzgollusyrzfl] has quit [Changing host] 13:27 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:27 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Changing host] 13:27 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrjyzgollusyrzfl] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:28 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrjyzgollusyrzfl] has quit [] 13:29 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjtqhtxxvgoaatlr] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:29 -!- DJMalik is now known as Pote 13:30 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:30 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:30 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:32 < TheDruId> LtNOWIS2, if you're really lucky, they'll be elected, but have to wait for the birthday to take office. 13:33 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225032158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:34 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 13:37 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:39 -!- Sir48 [~LTL@wikipedia/Sir48] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:39 -!- galant [~galant@77.29.84.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40 -!- Isarra [~root@wikimedia/Isarra] has quit [Quit: Something has gone horribly wrong.] 13:41 -!- bobrayner [56b9497d@wikipedia/bobrayner] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:42 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC] 13:42 -!- Isarra [~root@wikimedia/Isarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:42 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:42 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 13:42 -!- TheDruId_ [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:44 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:44 < SoapX> wb 13:45 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:46 -!- TheDruId_ is now known as TheDruId 13:48 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 13:51 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:55 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:57 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:57 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 14:02 < Revent> *what would be an 'appropriate' way to clean pages that quote broken citations i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_with_ISBN_errors&from=A (the WP namespace ones... 14:03 < Revent> (or do you just have to ignore em? 14:04 < alisonc> Revent: Nobody is ignoring, was just one minute. 14:05 < alisonc> WAit, I misread that line. 14:05 < Revent> alisonc: :P 14:05 < dtm> Revent: seriously. why do you prepend your chat lines with random punctuation? 14:05 < dtm> Revent: also, hi 14:05 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:05 < TheDruId> Revent, there are volunteers who work on fixing those, nearly exclusively. 14:05 < dtm> Revent: what do you mean about 'appropriate'? 14:06 < Revent> dtm: tbh? old habits...talk triggers for 'emote', 'pose', etc... 14:06 < dtm> Revent: from where? 14:06 < dtm> where did that ever work? 14:06 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:07 < dtm> and how is it that you never realize that you're not there ;) 14:07 < Revent> TheDruId: Nice, np then... :P 14:07 < FastLizard4> dtm: Because IRC is old and outdated ;P 14:07 < Revent> dtm Things like old multi-line bbs systems from early 90's 14:07 < dtm> :-I 14:08 -!- Pharos_ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:08 < Revent> (non-ip dialup at 14400 for ascii text chat is bawls. :P 14:09 < FastLizard4> Oh dialup 14:09 < FastLizard4> I remember thee 14:09 < FastLizard4> Those were dark times before my parents discovered DSL :P 14:09 < dtm> well, any text over 14400 is pretty fast 14:09 < dtm> those were times before *anybody* discovered DSL. 14:09 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09 -!- Pharos_ is now known as Pharos 14:10 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:10 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:10 < SoapX> i was on the Internet when we had to pay by the minute 14:10 < dtm> :-[ 14:10 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:10 < FastLizard4> SoapX: I have to pay by the minute still 14:10 < FastLizard4> It's called my crappy cellphone service :P 14:11 < SoapX> tracfone? 14:11 < FastLizard4> No, Verizon 14:11 < FastLizard4> Just a reaaaaaaaally low-level plan 14:12 < FastLizard4> Actually, I'm grandfathered into a plan that's no longer offered 14:12 < SoapX> ok Im gonna log in and edit your account to give you more features for no increase in price 14:12 < FastLizard4> That's how crappy it is :P 14:12 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@97e35cb3.skybroadband.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:12 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@97e35cb3.skybroadband.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:12 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:12 < FastLizard4> Heh 14:13 < Revent> dtm: appropriate I meant "is there a simple non-technical way to fix those?" I interpreted TheDruId as "no, but there are peeps who hunt down 'non-content' "pages" cluttering these cats... 14:14 < TheDruId> Revent, not every cat, obviously, but gnoming has special editors. 14:14 < Revent> (i.e. tracking cats including pages in 'odd' namespaces 14:15 < SoapX> mrrrrraaaaouw 14:15 < Revent> TheDruId: :P 14:15 < Revent> TheDruId: I've 'fixed' a lot of broken cites and ISBN checksums (i.e. look it up in a db) 14:17 < Revent> TheDruId: Maybe you missed I was asking about [[Category:Pages with ISBN errors]] 14:17 < dtm> Revent: well, there was no 'no' there, but you never said exactly what you want. i mean "wikipedia's broke, so how to fix?" doesn't mean anything. 14:17 < TheDruId> Revent, I try to get them right when I add publications, and sometimes add them when they were missing, but I'm not obsessive about them, myself. I have my own demons to wrangle. 14:18 < dtm> Revent: maybe i missed something, but i dont know what you mean is a non-content page. you mean in the category page of problems, working on reducing its problematic contents? 14:18 -!- SapiensIngentis [~SapiensIn@173-30-250-215.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:18 < Revent> TheDruId: I can 'fix' em halfway mindlessly as I chat and watch tv...a lot are 'simple'...broken convert from 10 to 13... 14:19 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:19 < Revent> dtm: I mean the things like [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Argentine History/Evidence]] 14:19 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:20 < Revent> dtm: being in the [[Category:Pages_with_ISBN_errors]] 14:20 < dtm> Revent: so 'yes' 14:28 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:30 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:30 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:30 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:32 -!- philomath__ [~philomath@106.195.225.155] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:34 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:37 -!- philomath [~philomath@106.202.118.24] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:39 -!- MartijnH [nanananana@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:39 -!- philomath__ [~philomath@106.195.225.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:39 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42 -!- addshore is now known as addaway 14:46 -!- philomath [~philomath@106.202.118.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47 -!- bobrayner [56b9497d@wikipedia/bobrayner] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:48 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:48 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:51 -!- thineantiquepen is now known as TAP|away 14:53 -!- Huon [~shogunat@wikipedia/Huon] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:54 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:55 -!- mist [~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist] has quit [Changing host] 14:55 -!- mist [~mrmist@freenode/king-of-the-bronies/mist] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:56 < sarahlicity> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Tur needs a lot of working over 15:00 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:00 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:00 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:02 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:04 -!- Exploding_Sheep [~Exploding@CPE68b6fcaf09a3-CM68b6fcaf09a0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:07 -!- Exploding_Sheep [~Exploding@CPE68b6fcaf09a3-CM68b6fcaf09a0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:15 -!- wolfgang42 [~quassel@wikipedia/Wolfgang42] has quit [Quit: User has left. Client is now lonely and will mope about.] 15:18 -!- Excirial [~Excirial@wikipedia/Excirial] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:19 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:21 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:23 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:24 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:24 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:24 -!- Volis-err [variable@unaffiliated/hugo-drax/x-7148487] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:24 < Volis-err> what would a Russian soldier do if the safe containing the Nuclear Launch codes does not open (due to any reason)? 15:25 < MartijnH> the same thing a Russian soldier would do if it would open: not launch nukes 15:25 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:26 < Volis-err> Why won't the russian launch nukes anyway? MartijnH 15:27 -!- JCphobia [~xman@fixed-203-203-56.iusacell.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:28 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:29 < dtm> Volis-err: why are you asking that? and why in a channel about a web site? 15:30 < Volis-err> I couldn't find a relevant place to ask it anywhere on freenode 15:31 < SoapX> volis has been here before, i think 15:31 < SoapX> hes a regular 15:31 -!- Mdann52 [~A@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:32 < dtm> congratulations! 15:33 -!- Volis-err is now known as Volis 15:33 < Volis> I have been here before, yes. 15:33 -!- petrolxl [~brainsLCY@c75-111-114-88.clovcmtc01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:35 -!- petrolxl [~brainsLCY@c75-111-114-88.clovcmtc01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:39 < Volis> It turns out that if even if all 3 people with cheget are not reachable/dead there's a system in place which when detects reliably a nuclear strike would launch missiles to guarantee a retaliatory blow. 15:40 -!- tawker [~chatzilla@S0106001ff3420f9a.nb.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:41 -!- speredenn [~speredenn@2a01:e34:ee40:55e0:e5eb:ca44:5646:d6ad] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:43 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43 -!- Mdann52 is now known as Cookie-away 15:43 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:44 < Ironholds> all: the VisualEditor is about to go live 15:44 < Ironholds> I'm going to make myself available here; if people have questions or bugs, fling them at me. 15:44 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:44 < dtm> Ironholds: what's that? 15:44 < Ironholds> dtm: a rich-text editor for Wikipedia 15:44 -!- tos [tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:44 < Ironholds> you'll see in about...10 minutes ;p 15:44 < dtm> Ironholds: is it all new? i've tried so many add-ons i forgot. 15:45 -!- Jan_telco is now known as Jan_wmf 15:45 < Ironholds> dtm: we've been having editors kick the crap out of it for about a month, so not that new. 15:45 < Ironholds> but, yeah, this is the first time it's been deployed on this scale. 15:45 < dtm> so, by 'no', you mean 'yes' ;) 15:46 < dtm> well, congratulations 15:47 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:48 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-67-163-157-100.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:48 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-67-163-157-100.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:48 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:48 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49 -!- Cookie-away is now known as Cookies52 15:50 -!- JCphobia [~xman@fixed-203-203-56.iusacell.net] has quit [] 15:52 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:54 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:55 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@wikimedia/the-wub] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:59 < guillom> dtm: this might help :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor 16:00 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [] 16:00 -!- PBASH607 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/PBASH607] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:02 -!- Sutekh [~Sutekh@unaffiliated/sutekh] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:04 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:05 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:08 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has quit [Changing host] 16:08 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:09 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@host86-148-120-122.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:09 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@host86-148-120-122.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:09 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@wikimedia/the-wub] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:10 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:10 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o eir] by ChanServ 16:10 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-bo *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.196.235.104 eir] by eir 16:12 < dtm> guillom: kthx 16:13 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:13 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Client Quit] 16:13 < Bradford> ._. 16:14 -!- PBASH607 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/PBASH607] has quit [Quit: I have left, I will come back later] 16:14 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: I didn't do it!] 16:14 < dtm> guys, i'm thinking wikipedia doesn't like this, citing a problem with a list-defined reference: <ref name="The Secret of My Success, credits at Allmusic">{{ cite web | url={{Allmusic|class=album|id=mw0000191675|tab=credits|pure_url=yes}} | title=''The Secret of My Success: Music From The Motion Picture Soundtrack'' credits | date=October 17, 1990 | accessdate=July 1, 2013 | origyear=1987 }}</ref> 16:14 -!- Jamesofur|away is now known as Jamesofur 16:14 < dtm> the error is at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tris_Imboden 16:15 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:15 < dtm> if anyone would care to take a look 16:16 < OlEnglish> i love you 16:16 < tos> dtm: #wikipedia-en-help 16:17 < dtm> OlEnglish: ditto 16:17 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:17 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17 < OlEnglish> aww 16:18 < OlEnglish> now where's whoopi 16:19 * OlEnglish wonders if anyone caught the reference there to a movie 16:19 < dtm> nope. 16:19 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:19 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:19 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:19 < OlEnglish> Ghost. with patrick swayze and whoopi goldberg 16:19 < OlEnglish> he always replied with ditto to i love you 16:19 -!- UltimateKyurem [638cc469@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.196.105] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:19 < TheDruId> OlEnglish, You Only Live Twice? 16:20 < OlEnglish> old movie but really good 16:20 < dtm> yeah i blocked all that *completely* out. 16:20 < UltimateKyurem> Hi. 16:20 < TheDruId> o/ 16:20 < UltimateKyurem> What are you talking about today? 16:21 < TheDruId> UltimateKyurem, broken references, and movies. 16:22 < UltimateKyurem> Broken Refferences?!? That is not good. Why not just find an archive? 16:22 < Cookies52> UltimateKyurem, Visual Editor 16:23 < UltimateKyurem> Cookies52: what does that have to do with archives? 16:23 < Cookies52> Nothing 16:23 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:23 < UltimateKyurem> Cookies52:are you discussing visual editors? 16:24 -!- Sauron [9c6e52de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.110.82.222] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:24 < Cookies52> As its being deployed, many people are 16:24 < UltimateKyurem> Cookies52: many people are... What? 16:25 < dtm> Ironholds: so... they're going to launch it to the public for the first time, by making it the default? wow. 16:25 < Ironholds> dtm: what do you mean? 16:25 < GorillaWarfare> dtm: For logged-in editors 16:25 < Ironholds> it's been an opt-in since December 2012 16:25 < Ironholds> and has been part of a randomised A/B test since early June. 16:25 < Ironholds> can you think of another interim step between "people get it if they want it", "people get it randomly" and "people get it all the time"? 16:25 < dtm> Ironholds: oic. so it's been public, but not default, since dec 2012. 16:25 < Ironholds> yup 16:25 < dtm> ok. 16:26 < Ironholds> now we're switching it to default 16:26 < UltimateKyurem> I am totally confused. What are you talking about??? 16:26 < Ironholds> UltimateKyurem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor 16:26 < guillom> dtm: it's inly "default" as in "there are now 2 edit tabs, one for VisualEditor and one for wikitext" 16:26 < guillom> only* 16:26 < UltimateKyurem> Thanks. 16:26 < dtm> Ironholds: and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor page is accurate in saying that the new public default editor is known to be buggy and limited? 16:26 < dtm> Ironholds: or is that information old 16:26 -!- UltimateKyurem [638cc469@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.196.105] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27 < Ironholds> dtm: it needs to be updated; we know there will be some problems, because, well, it's software. 16:27 < dtm> guillom: two tabs is probably a good idea. 16:27 < Ironholds> the only way to only deploy when it's perfect is never to deploy. 16:27 < guillom> dtm: and two edit links for section titles 16:28 < dtm> guillom: that's good 16:28 < dtm> so. given the known buggy output that it generates, i wonder if it's easy to manually identify and fix those in wikitext. 16:28 < dtm> the "odd-looking" and "incomplete editing" etc 16:28 < Ironholds> dtm: yep 16:28 < Ironholds> there's a VisualEditor tag that gets attached to any edit made with the VE. 16:28 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:29 < Ironholds> which you can see in history pages and filter with in recentchanges 16:29 < OlEnglish> is it phalluses and chalices or phallii and chalii? 16:29 < dtm> ok. i hope it's easy for a human to manually identify and fix what part of the wikitext is corrupt though 16:29 < dtm> OlEnglish: yeah. 16:30 < dtm> Ironholds: so i guess it's possible that half or more of an article's wikitext content could be comprised of VE notification metadata ;) 16:31 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:31 < Ironholds> dtm: heh 16:32 -!- SuicidalZerg [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:32 < dtm> it seems that the "Why" page claims that a chief reason for the lack of retention of new editors, is simply because wikitext is hard. 16:32 -!- Sauron is now known as Sauron|Away 16:32 -!- JohnLewis_ [JohnLewis@94.13.67.114] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:32 -!- JohnLewis_ [JohnLewis@94.13.67.114] has quit [Changing host] 16:32 -!- JohnLewis_ [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:33 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:33 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 16:34 < dtm> it would seem that if wikitext was that difficult, people wouldn't have been editing for long enough to be considered in the retention thingie. they just wouldn't do it. did they also factor in the barrage of social negativity, the archaic disorganization, the information overload, and the overall impenetrability of basic orientation? 16:35 < dtm> i mean is there *anybody* who, even once having mastered wikitext or VE, thinks that wikipedia is easy? 16:36 -!- Pux [~Pux@p54B3988D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:36 < dtm> they're seriously thinking that after *month six* of active editing, a person says "gosh, wikitext is just too hard. back to Warcraft!" 16:36 < TheDruId> dtm, the basics are easy, but each new area you fall into is a new Pit of Despair. 16:36 < dtm> TheDruId: trololoolo 16:36 < dtm> TheDruId: that's absolutely correct, minus the 'easy' part unless you're talking about nothing more than copy editing plain text, in an existing article, directly in place 16:37 < dtm> that part is easy, so that's all i did for three years 16:37 -!- M132T003C_ [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 16:37 -!- JohnLewis_ [~JohnLewis@97e32d54.skybroadband.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:37 -!- JohnLewis_ [~JohnLewis@97e32d54.skybroadband.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:37 -!- JohnLewis_ [~JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:38 -!- JohnLewis [JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:38 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 16:38 < dtm> and yeah wikitext would have been the next hurdle, in terms of slightly more advanced copyediting. and then after i've inched up to the edge of that diving board, it's all off the deep end from there. 16:39 < dtm> nonetheless! VE is surely quite an achievement. nothing detracts from that. i'm just chattin. and i look forward to some capacity of offline editing of full wikitext, other than making my own installation of mediawiki ;) 16:39 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 16:39 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:39 -!- Volis [variable@unaffiliated/hugo-drax/x-7148487] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:40 < SoapX> Visual Editor is live now? 16:41 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:41 < SoapX> FOR ME IT STILL ISNT 16:41 < SoapX> OOPS 16:41 < SoapX> SORRY FOR CAPS LOCK 16:42 < TheDruId> Ouch. 16:42 < dtm> lol. 16:42 -!- Pharos_ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:43 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@wikimedia/the-wub] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:43 < SoapX> photoshop is to blame 16:44 < SoapX> i thnik sometimes i hit caps lock when im trying to do alt-tab though 16:44 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:44 -!- Pharos_ is now known as Pharos 16:45 < dtm> SoapX: maybe it's EMACS 16:46 < SoapX> i dont know why caps lock is considered rude anyway 16:46 -!- Pharos_ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:46 < Cookies52> NEITHER DO I! 16:46 < SoapX> how do people import in-person mannerisms to the Internet in such a way that tping in caps is considered "yelling" even though it doesnt actually appear any louder on screen even with a screen rader/ 16:47 -!- Cookies52 [~A@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 16:47 < dtm> SoapX: <voice type="al capone">ENTHUSIASMS. 16:47 < SoapX> wait does that exist? 16:47 < SoapX> there's an HTML tag that will make screen readers change voices? 16:47 < SoapX> if not it should be added now 16:47 < dtm> SoapX: people are self-centered and stuff. 16:47 < SoapX> i doubt there will be an "Al Capone" voice included with every screen reader 16:47 -!- mabdul [~mabdul@wikipedia/mabdul] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:48 < dtm> SoapX: yeah sure, maybe you forgot to enable voice support and smell-o-vision(tm) in your internets 16:48 < SoapX> but still 16:48 < TheDruId> SaopX, because text readers for the disabled actually attempt to shout to get their attentions, as if it were actually an emergency, which it evidently isn't. 16:48 < Bradford> ._. 16:48 < dtm> TheDruId: haha really? 16:48 < SoapX> not that Im aware of 16:48 < SoapX> iVE NEVER USED ONE 16:48 < SoapX> but oops 16:48 -!- Pharos__ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:48 < dtm> that would be possibly the single most disastrously stupid feature of a screen reader imaginable 16:48 < SoapX> but I dont think they get any louder when going over all caps 16:48 < TheDruId> SoapX, but you're inconveniencing anyone who does. 16:48 < SoapX> i think that some might when you use ! 16:49 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49 -!- WilliamH_UK [~WilliamH_@Wikipedia/WilliamH] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:49 -!- Pharos__ is now known as Pharos 16:49 < SoapX> because if it amplified the volume on all caps it would mess up with acronyms 16:49 < dtm> SoapX: i was thikning of article titles. or. all kinds of things, constantly, forever. 16:49 -!- galant [~galant@77.29.84.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:49 < TheDruId> dtm they distinguish between (caveats), *asterisks*, /delimiters/ and several other nuances for emphasis. 16:50 < TheDruId> the most current ones even manage stage whispers and soto voce. 16:51 < dtm> SoapX: a more thorough answer for your question as to why anyone would ever think that caps are shouting, is basically found (though i can't find it) in a wikipedia article explaining the basic human deficiency of differentiating between an idea and a real thing. people tend to think that an idea or intangible thing or attributes of a thing, are actually a real, concrete thing or event 16:51 < dtm> SoapX: and then you probably also have some tiny limited experience of Some Dude who did deliberately say that he's shouting, by using all caps, and he was very mean about it. and i guess ... lol.. some screen readers. 16:52 < dtm> Some Dude on bitnet or compuserve in 1991 or whatever 16:52 < dtm> back when net lore was comprised of the antics of fifteen big people 16:52 -!- Pharos_ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53 < TheDruId> No, many early systems, especially military ones, only had capital letters, and intermediate ones had moderators giving directives in ALLCAPS. 16:53 < SoapX> w should just all change our fonts to tengwar to solve the problem 16:53 -!- guillom is now known as basile 16:53 -!- tawker [~chatzilla@S0106001ff3420f9a.nb.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:53 -!- tawker [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Tawker] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:53 < dtm> SoapX: so the idea of the thing vs an actual thing. and, projection and general histrionic nannying. 16:54 < dtm> TheDruId: yeah all personal computers (before they were called that) had all caps, like the Apple and the Apple ][ 16:54 < dtm> i believe the Apple ][ has a lowercase upgrade option or something. 16:54 < dtm> back when keyboards looked like they were hewn from granite lol 16:54 -!- Sutekh [~Sutekh@unaffiliated/sutekh] has quit [Quit: Sutekh] 16:55 < dtm> and you leaped from key to key, stomping with both feet 16:55 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:56 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:58 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:59 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Grashoofd] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:59 -!- Pharos_ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:00 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:01 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:01 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:01 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:01 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:02 < SoapX> pretty sure apple //c had lowercase? 17:02 < SoapX> come on mareklug 17:02 < SoapX> we miss you 17:03 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:04 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:04 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has quit [Changing host] 17:04 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:05 < Nascar1996> ok 17:05 < Nascar1996> SoapX: Can you help me 17:05 < SoapX> maybe? 17:05 < SoapX> whats your PROBLEM 17:05 < Nascar1996> SoapX: Can I close this and move it where the sponsor name has been announced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lenox_Industrial_Tools_301#Requested_move 17:06 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:06 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:06 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:06 < SoapX> sure 17:07 < Nascar1996> k 17:07 -!- Pharos_ [~chatzilla@ool-2f158f3a.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:07 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231114101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:07 < SoapX> do they change sponsors every year or something? 17:08 < SoapX> or every few years 17:08 < Nascar1996> Not every year, just when the contract ends 17:08 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 17:08 < SoapX> Neighborhood Excellence 400 to Autism Speaks 400 (2007) 17:08 < SoapX> Autism Speaks 400 to FedEx 400 (2011) 17:09 -!- Sauron|Away is now known as Sauron 17:09 < Sauron> I'm back 17:09 < SoapX> MBNA RacePoints 400 to Neighborhood Excellence 400 (2006) 17:10 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:10 < Nascar1996> what would that close to 17:10 < Nascar1996> No consensus? 17:11 < SoapX> Smith and Turner formed an alliance to build the track, and they signed a contract with NASCAR to run a 600-mile event on Memorial Day. Once the construction crew broke ground, they found a layer of granite under the topsoil, making the construction costly. The area for the first turn alone used $70,000 worth of dynamite, making Turner's $750,000 construction plan near two million dollars. 17:11 < SoapX> In the spring of 1960, Turner begged for a six-week postponement for the race after a snow storm delayed the pouring on concrete. With two weeks remaining until the inaugural race, the paving subcontractor threatened to leave the job site for lack of payment. To solve the problem, Turner and one of his friends threatened the paving subcontractor with a shotgun and a revolver to make 17:11 < SoapX> sure the track's backstretch would be completed. 17:12 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:12 < SoapX> isnt that awesome 17:12 -!- wolfgang42 [~quassel@wikipedia/Wolfgang42] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:12 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has quit [Quit: While there's life, there's hope.] 17:13 < Revent> SoapX: [[Template:As of]] the most recent... :P 17:13 < SoapX> i guess it would be nice if you could find a picture 17:14 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15 < Revent> Reedy: "sponsor" 17:15 < Reedy> Say what now? 17:15 < Revent> Reedy: Sorry...mistab complete. (sigh) 17:16 -!- Sir48 [~LTL@wikipedia/Sir48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16 < Revent> meant to say 'recent sponsor' 17:16 < SoapX> Coca Cola has two races 17:17 < tos> White and black? 17:17 < SoapX> "A ten year contract, starting in 2008 between Atlanta-based Coca-Cola and International Speedway Corporation (ISC), made Coke the official soft drink, official sparkling beverage and official water for ten of ISC's operated motorsports facilities and the Daytona 500." 17:17 < SoapX> Coke has "water" ? 17:17 < Revent> You know what would be sneaky? 17:17 < Xolsten> Yes 17:18 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:18 < Revent> One of the 'street races'...run it twice, the second time backwards. :P 17:20 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@host86-148-120-122.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:20 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@host86-148-120-122.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:20 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@wikimedia/the-wub] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:21 < Revent> "road course" I mean... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_America 17:22 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:22 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22 < Nascar1996> Hmm 17:22 < NotASpy> crikey. Technet is dead. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421279,00.asp 17:22 < Nascar1996> There are two redirects that are not needed 17:22 < Nascar1996> Is there a CSD for unneeded redirects 17:23 < Revent> Nascar1996: unless recent and unlinked they don't die... 17:23 < Nascar1996> created June 22 17:23 < Nascar1996> with the wrong race name 17:23 < Nascar1996> and there's another with the old race name 17:24 < Nascar1996> I'll just change it 17:24 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:26 -!- Sauron [9c6e52de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.110.82.222] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:26 -!- paradigmarson [~paradigma@178.106.205.1] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:26 -!- paradigmarson [~paradigma@178.106.205.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26 -!- Sauron [9c6e52de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.110.82.222] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:27 < Revent> Nascar1996: Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Redirects R3... 17:28 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:29 < SoapX> yeah, redirects are rarely deleted 17:30 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 < Revent> {{this is a redirect|from vintage randomness}} {{unprintworthy}} :P 17:31 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:32 -!- BobTheWikipedian [44b39b81@wikipedia/Bob-the-Wikipedian] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:32 < BobTheWikipedian> question! 17:32 < wolfgang42> answer! 17:32 < BobTheWikipedian> good :) glad that's settled 17:32 < BobTheWikipedian> now onto business 17:32 < FastLizard4> BobTheWikipedian: QUESTION DENIED 17:32 < BobTheWikipedian> :o 17:33 * BobTheWikipedian slips it past fastlizard4 17:33 * IH|away puts a stay on the question, appeals to the 9th circuit 17:33 * FastLizard4 arrests BobTheWikipedian for illegal possession of a denied question 17:33 < BobTheWikipedian> sooooo let's say you have a series of volumes of books 17:34 < BobTheWikipedian> for example, vernes' "a trip to the moon" and "around the moon" 17:34 * Revent stamps BobTheWikipedian's forehead "classified" and censors him. 17:34 < BobTheWikipedian> and it is combined into a single physical unit 17:34 < BobTheWikipedian> two volumes in one cover 17:34 < BobTheWikipedian> is there a name for that? 17:34 * IH|away issues a writ of habeus corpus for BobTheWikipedian, has him secretly flown to hong kong 17:35 < wolfgang42> BobTheWikipedian: 'Combined works'? 17:35 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:35 * FastLizard4 uploads all of BobTheWikipedian's questions to the secret new NSA datacenter 17:35 < BobTheWikipedian> or a more extra example, the world book encyclopedia's 25 volumes are combined into a singled cover that is like...a yard thick? 17:36 < Huon> BobTheWikipedian, "omnibus edition"? 17:36 < BobTheWikipedian> haha 17:36 < Huon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_edition 17:36 < BobTheWikipedian> holy cow 17:36 < BobTheWikipedian> i thought you made that up lol 17:37 < Nascar1996> Is there a way I can turn the new editing off 17:37 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:37 * BobTheWikipedian notices a bit of hidden irony...swearing by a hindu sacred object while working in a catholic bookstore 17:37 < Revent> BobTheWikipedian: there is {{cite encyclopedia}}, specifically look at the examples... 17:37 < FastLizard4> Nascar1996: You mean VisualEditor? 17:37 < Nascar1996> yes 17:37 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@96.242.50.94] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:37 < Huon> Nascar1996, there's a "edit source" tab 17:37 < FastLizard4> Nascar1996: In your preferences 17:37 < FastLizard4> Nascar1996: Or just click "edit source" 17:38 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@96.242.50.94] has quit [Changing host] 17:38 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:38 < IH|away> well, there's no preference switch 17:38 < Nascar1996> Just makes everything more complicated 17:38 -!- Sauron [9c6e52de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.156.110.82.222] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:38 < FastLizard4> Yes there is O_O 17:38 < IH|away> Nascar1996: you can hit 'edit source', or there is a user script to remove it 17:38 < FastLizard4> Unless they pulled it 17:38 < IH|away> FastLizard4: it's pulled. 17:38 < FastLizard4> Hmm 17:38 < Revent> BobTheWikipedian: and {{cite dictionary}} for things like "biographical dictionaries" 17:38 < IH|away> Nascar1996: we'd prefer you didn't, obviously, because more testers is a good thing, but 17:38 < Nascar1996> This is going to be a fail 17:38 < FastLizard4> Nascar1996: Actually, VisualEditor is awesome 17:38 < Nascar1996> IH|away: I tested it a few weeks ago. 17:38 < Nascar1996> I HATED IT 17:38 < SoapX> hey its BOB 17:38 < Nascar1996> I need to look at the source 17:39 < Nascar1996> for templates 17:39 < Nascar1996> etc 17:39 < IH|away> Just add importScript('User:Matma_Rex/VE_killer.js'); to your common.js 17:39 < FastLizard4> It is you sir who are a fail for not liking VisualEditor 17:39 * FastLizard4 runs 17:39 < IH|away> Nascar1996: okay, two questions. 17:39 < Nascar1996> Unless it's changed 17:39 < IH|away> first: do you think caps lock makes you more convincing? 17:39 < FastLizard4> Well, duh, VisualEditor isn't exactly supposed to be used for templates :P 17:39 < IH|away> two: do you think "I hated it" is helpful for making it not suck? ;p 17:39 < IH|away> FastLizard4: yes it is. It has a template editor now. 17:39 < FastLizard4> IH|away: Oh, right, it requires JSON information in the template documentation or something like that 17:40 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:40 < Revent> Nascar1996: the actual encyclopedia has a isbn for the set, and a isbn for each volume.... 17:40 < FastLizard4> Still, I think VisualEditor is quite awesome 17:40 < Revent> (er, an 17:40 < FastLizard4> Sure beats the hell out of Wikia's WYSIWYG solution 17:40 < IH|away> FastLizard4: which a ton of volunteers are adding, actually (and you can too!) 17:40 < IH|away> yeah, Wikia...oy. 17:40 < IH|away> my line is "who worked on the Wikia editor and can I punch them" 17:40 < Revent> (for each year... 17:40 < Nascar1996> VisualEditor is awesome if you don't mess with templates, etc 17:40 < FastLizard4> s/solution/"solution"/ 17:40 < IH|away> because we have so many multi-wiki users who have come in and gone 17:40 -!- James_F [~James@wikimedia/JamesF] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving..."] 17:41 < IH|away> "AGH! NO! LOOK AT WHAT WIKIA FUCKED UP!" 17:41 < SoapX> i still dont see Visual Editor 17:41 < IH|away> SoapX: clear your cache? 17:41 < SoapX> does the fact that i use WikEd automatically disable Visual Editor? 17:41 < Nascar1996> SoapX: I think it's available for a certain amount of users 17:41 < FastLizard4> Nascar1996: It's available to all logged in users 17:41 < IH|away> SoapX: noo idea, but you're one of like five people. 17:41 < IH|away> Nascar1996: yes, "all logged-in users" 17:41 < Nascar1996> FastLizard4: Beta is? 17:41 * FastLizard4 nods 17:41 < Nascar1996> I thought… nevermind 17:42 < SoapX> or maybe its because i use an old browser thats not compatible 17:42 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Client Quit] 17:42 < Nascar1996> :O 17:42 < FastLizard4> That could be 17:42 < Nascar1996> They did change it 17:42 < IH|away> SoapX: what browser? 17:42 < Nascar1996> You can edit templates now 17:42 < FastLizard4> If it sees you're on the blacklist, it won't even load the java 17:42 < GorillaWarfare> *JavaScript 17:42 < SoapX> Firefox 3.6 17:42 < IH|away> .... 17:42 < addihockey10> LOL 17:42 < FastLizard4> I meant JavaScript 17:42 < GorillaWarfare> SoapX: Goddamn 17:42 < IH|away> oh god, you're one of THOSE freaks 17:42 < addihockey10> Failfox 17:42 < Jan_wmf> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=562447691 ;) 17:42 < FastLizard4> SoapX: o_o 17:42 * FastLizard4 attacks SoapX 17:42 < IH|away> the "ooh, Firefox 4 ruined EVERYTHING!" acolytes 17:43 < IH|away> SoapX: it does not work on 3.6, never will work on 3.6, and 3.6 sucks. 17:43 < IH|away> that is all :P 17:43 < SoapX> ok 17:43 < FastLizard4> Firefox 3.6 is the new IE 6 17:43 < FastLizard4> :P 17:43 < IH|away> (I had one user ask if it would work on 3.6, and I asked him to upgrade, and he did. to 10.) 17:43 < SoapX> well to anyone who hates VisualEditor, thats teh solution to get rid of it 17:43 < IH|away> "use a really terrible browser" 17:43 < FastLizard4> heh 17:43 < SoapX> no way .FF 3.6 is great 17:43 < addihockey10> Ih aren't they in the twenties now 17:43 -!- gallant [~galant@77.29.199.103] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:43 < FastLizard4> addihockey10: Firefox 17 17:43 < SoapX> it still works on like 95% of websites and is faster than any of the newer versions 17:43 < FastLizard4> I think 17:43 < GorillaWarfare> No, they're on 22 17:44 < FastLizard4> Oh, Thunderbird is 17 17:44 < FastLizard4> In any case, I'm a believer in Chrome 17:44 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:44 < addihockey10> Huh, I had something in the twenties (beta, mind you ) last year 17:44 < FastLizard4> Latest Chrome beta is 29 or something like that 17:44 < IH|away> addaway: exactly. 17:44 < Nascar1996> Safari is getting better 17:44 < IH|away> we're on 22.0, 23.0 is the dev release. 17:44 < Nascar1996> I actually use it more than Chrome now 17:44 < FastLizard4> Of course, Chrome actually does autoupdates 17:44 < addihockey10> Fastlizard4 get on the dev release channel 17:44 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:45 < FastLizard4> addihockey10: No, too buggy for my purposes 17:45 < addihockey10> Bugs are fun 17:45 < FastLizard4> Orly? 17:46 < addihockey10> Yeah. 17:46 * FastLizard4 releases hordes of cockroaches and locusts into addihockey10's house 17:46 < addihockey10> Imagine a world without bugs 17:46 -!- tos [tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has left #wikipedia-en ["Help me! I'm bein kidnapp..."] 17:46 < FastLizard4> Oh my god 17:46 < FastLizard4> Windows would still suck 17:46 < FastLizard4> :P 17:46 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:47 -!- galant [~galant@77.29.84.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:47 < IH|away> FastLizard4: it wouldn't, because it wouldn't exist 17:47 < IH|away> addihockey10 quite clearly said "a world without bugs" 17:47 < FastLizard4> IH|away: lol 17:47 * FastLizard4 rofls 17:48 < addihockey10> We wouldn't have computers 17:48 < FastLizard4> So would people be using DOS or Linux? 17:48 < addihockey10> We wouldn't need them. Everything is automatic 17:48 < FastLizard4> addihockey10: Your logic there escapes me 17:48 < mabdul> dos had bugs too 17:48 < FastLizard4> mabdul: So does your DNA 17:48 < addihockey10> Fastlizard4 personal compp 17:48 < addihockey10> Computers 17:48 < mabdul> indeed 17:49 < addihockey10> Ermahgerd it's mabdul 17:49 < FastLizard4> mabdul: Also, if you eat this caesium-137 infused cookie, I can give your DNA more bugs :D 17:49 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:50 < mabdul> ^^ 17:50 * addihockey10 feeds Fastlizard4 carcinogenic spaghetti 17:50 < FastLizard4> addihockey10: That still doesn't make sense, but okay :P 17:50 < addihockey10> That actually sounds like a good dish 17:50 < addihockey10> How doesn't that make sense 17:51 < FastLizard4> Actually, I think I'd rather eat a caesium cookie than a, say, a polonium-210 cookie 17:51 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:51 < Bradford> :) 17:51 < FastLizard4> Since caesium-137 is a big gamma emitter, and the gamma photons would mostly exit your body 17:51 < SoapX> okay one more question though 17:52 -!- Huon [~shogunat@wikipedia/Huon] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:52 < FastLizard4> While poloniuim-210 is a big alpha emitter, and the particles would not exit your body and ionize the hell out of your DNA 17:52 < SoapX> if visualeditor is going to be universal, are we still going to put the tag after every VE edit? that seems a bit silly 17:52 < SoapX> why not mark the non-VE edits instead, if anything? 17:52 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52 < FastLizard4> SoapX: I imagine that's the direction it will go 17:52 < FastLizard4> Probably no tagging at all 17:52 < Nascar1996> what is the difference in a hyperlink and wikilink 17:52 < FastLizard4> Nascar1996: A wikilink is a type of hyperlink 17:53 < Nascar1996> k 17:53 < Nascar1996> Just making sure 17:54 < IH|away> SoapX: because being able to easily subset to things is a good way of checking for problems 17:54 < FastLizard4> Hyperlink is a broad term for any clickable object that performs an action 17:54 < IH|away> SoapX: it was built for the A/B test and preceding alpha release, see. 17:54 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:54 < mabdul> FastLizard4: phsics freak XD 17:54 < Nascar1996> VisualEditor might be easier 17:54 < Nascar1996> :PO 17:54 < Nascar1996> :O 17:54 < FastLizard4> mabdul: I'm a computer scientist physicist photographer 17:55 < mabdul> and without friends? XD 17:55 < SigmaWP> skadoosh 17:55 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-6-187.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 < SigmaWP> hello friends 17:55 < Nascar1996> You would have to go to the source for hidden items though 17:55 < FastLizard4> mabdul: Oh, just because you're in a situation doesn't mean you have to reflect it on everyone else :) 17:55 < Revent> ^ [[Potassium_chromate]] is the yellow 'stuff' used as a corrosion inhibitor in the primary shield water tanks around nuclear reactors. A 'yellow water' leak will kill you (and your descendents) like 5 ways 17:56 < FastLizard4> Revent: That stuff is nasty 17:56 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225032158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:56 < FastLizard4> Though I think FOOF still beats it out pretty well 17:56 < SoapX> beware the yellow water 17:56 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:56 < Revent> FastLizard4: Before or after the exposure to insanely high levels of heavy neutrons? :P 17:56 < FastLizard4> Revent: Before :P 17:57 < FastLizard4> The heavy neutrons just add more ways to kill you :P 17:57 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:57 < FastLizard4> Because who doesn't like subatomic particles ripping through their bodies at high speeds? 17:57 < FastLizard4> Well, at levels significantly higher than background radiation anyway 17:57 < Nascar1996> hmm 17:58 < Nascar1996> how long will VisualEditor edits be tagged 17:58 < FastLizard4> I love how it turns out that you'll get a higher dose of ionizing radiation due to living within one mile of a coal-fired power plant than living within one mile of a nuclear power plant 17:58 < FastLizard4> (Less nuclear acidents, of course) 17:58 < FastLizard4> *accidents 17:59 < mabdul> FastLizard4: I don't have to. Moreover I don't. I lost that kind of behaviour years ago 17:59 < mabdul> "lost" might not the correct word... but yk what i mean 18:00 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:00 -!- the-wub [~the-wub@wikimedia/the-wub] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00 < Revent> FastLizard4: Civilian nuclear plants (U-238, positive 'temperature coefficient of reactively', i.e. 'like to go boom') :( 18:01 < Revent> *reactivity 18:01 < FastLizard4> Revent: Don't all electricity generating stations have a positive temperature coefficient of reactivity? :P 18:01 < FastLizard4> I mean, yeah, it might not be nuclear 18:01 < FastLizard4> But you could have pressure vessels exploding at a coal-fired plant (for example) 18:02 < Revent> Revent: Generally...it's because of not having to use enriched uranium... 18:02 < Revent> er, FastLizard4 lol 18:02 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Grashoofd] has quit [Quit: Oogjes toe!] 18:02 -!- BobTheWikipedian [44b39b81@wikipedia/Bob-the-Wikipedian] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:02 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02 < FastLizard4> If we're talking nuclear fuels specifically, anything that you're going to get a decent neutron flux out of can go boom in that respect 18:03 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:03 < jubo2> le lizard rapid quatre! 18:03 < Nascar1996> When is Toolserver going away 18:03 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 18:03 -!- jorgeluis [~noise@wikimedia/Killiondude] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:03 < wolfgang42> What on earth is going on with the edit button? When I click it, the page goes grey, and there's now an 'edit source' button as well.. 18:04 < Revent> FastLizard4: If you can get any kind of a 'fizzle', lithium deuteride is easy to 'get'... :P 18:04 < foks> Welcome to Visual Editor. 18:04 < Nascar1996> wolfgang42: Welcoem to Visual Editor 18:04 < wolfgang42> foks: Are you talking to me? 18:04 -!- jorgeluis changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloak | VisualEditor has been enabled: www.enwp.org/WP:VE 18:04 < Nascar1996> lol 18:04 < jorgeluis> wolfgang42: http://www.enwp.org/WP:VE 18:04 < foks> wolfgang42, yessir. 18:04 < Nascar1996> jorgeluis++ 18:04 < wolfgang42> ... it looks nothing like an editor. The page goes grey and that's it. 18:04 < foks> Your computer is likely oooold. 18:05 < foks> Or you're using IE. 18:05 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:05 * jorgeluis foks 18:05 * foks jorgeluiz 18:05 < FastLizard4> Revent: Pfft :P 18:05 < foks> um 18:05 < wolfgang42> foks: Just upgraded firefox less than 5 hours ago. 18:05 * legoktm jorgeluis 18:05 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:05 < foks> jorgeluis* 18:05 * jorgeluis legoktm 18:05 < jorgeluis> <3 #wikipedia-en 18:05 < legoktm> :D 18:05 < legoktm> sup? 18:05 < foks> wolfgang42, it's almost certainly a problem on your end. 18:05 < foks> Unless you're editing a massive page. 18:05 * wolfgang42 investigates. 18:05 < jorgeluis> use monobook 18:05 < jorgeluis> it solves everything 18:06 < jubo2> Egypt: Democracy sucks ass, let's have a military takeover with prlly legistlative powers to rewrite most of the constitution... 18:06 < jorgeluis> oh, hi jubo. 18:06 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:06 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:06 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:06 < jorgeluis> We're currently on topic (for once). 18:06 < jubo2> I'm like huh? 18:06 < wolfgang42> SyntaxError: return not in function 18:06 < wolfgang42> return; 18:06 < wolfgang42> index....2186848 (line 10, col 1) 18:06 < foks> Monobook is indeed The Best™. 18:06 < Nascar1996> All Wikipedias, except those with writing systems that we struggle with. 18:06 < Nascar1996> LOL 18:06 < foks> wolfgang42, if all else fails, bugzilla it. 18:07 -!- StringTheory11_ [47d66dd5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.214.109.213] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:07 < Nascar1996> What is on the WP:VE newsletter? 18:07 < jorgeluis> I don't see VE on monobook, but i also have a .js thing for my tabs. 18:07 < wolfgang42> Wait, that's in something that's supposed to disable Central Notice banners, that should have nothing to do with it... 18:07 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:08 < Revent> (never got a 'real' answer when I once asked) Would a detailed (sourced, and 'non-classified' verifiable) explanation of how to turn any 'tiny' nuke that actually gets a chain reaction into a multi-megaton device? WP:BEANS? :P 18:08 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:08 < Revent> (given there are multiple such things in secondary sources 18:08 < jorgeluis> Revent: When in doubt about BEANS, don't do it. 18:08 < jorgeluis> Easy enough! 18:10 < jubo2> Egypt: Huh..? 18:10 < jorgeluis> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#VisualEditor_going_live 18:10 < jorgeluis> > I don't know where to start writing the bugzilla reports because I can't find a working article to compare the broken behaviour to.—Kww(talk) 3:08 pm, Today (UTC−7) 18:10 -!- gallant [~galant@77.29.199.103] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:10 < jorgeluis> TheBest™ 18:10 < wolfgang42> Does the Visual Editor not work on pages in the Wikipedia namespace? 18:10 -!- Volis [~variable@unaffiliated/hugo-drax/x-7148487] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:11 < jorgeluis> It "works" everywhere. 18:11 < StringTheory11_> If I remember right, it wans't enabled there yet 18:11 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:11 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has quit [Changing host] 18:11 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:11 < jorgeluis> oh, i was incorrect 18:11 < StringTheory11_> and it's not currently working on my FAC nomination page, so yeah 18:11 < jorgeluis> > Articles and User pages only — The VisualEditor will only be enabled for the article and user namespaces (so you can make changes in a personal sandbox). In time, we will build out the kinds of specialised editing tools needed for non-articles, but our focus has been on articles. 18:11 < jorgeluis> from wp:ve 18:12 < Revent> jorgeluis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo 18:12 < Revent> jorgeluis: This is when you say "Whoops" 18:12 < wolfgang42> Ah, I missed that. So for me, the Visual Editor just hangs after graying out the page, with no error notice. 18:13 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Client Quit] 18:13 < jorgeluis> wolfgang42: do you have anything blocking js? 18:13 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:13 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:13 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has quit [Changing host] 18:13 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:14 < jorgeluis> Revent: Well, there /is/ a lack of citations in the "bomb design" section :P 18:14 < wolfgang42> jorgeluis: AdBlock Plus? Maybe? (I'm disabling it and seeing what happens) 18:14 -!- Excirial [~Excirial@wikipedia/Excirial] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 18:14 < jorgeluis> always good to try 18:14 < wolfgang42> jorgeluis: Nope, that's not the problem. 18:14 < jubo2> jorgeluis: Tzar Bomba 18:15 < jubo2> wewwwy big *KABOOM* 18:15 < StringTheory11_> All I know is: I'm certainly not going to use the VE; it's way too cumbersome to do simple little tasks like add templates and refs 18:16 < jorgeluis> Hm. So my comment about monobook not getting it was based on my mistaken belief that it works in the WP: namespace. 18:16 < Revent> jorgeluis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W88 WP:BEANS 18:16 < jubo2> Blini i igra i smetana and what the ever they call onioons in russia, pepets et sal garçon like now or at least 15 seconds ago 18:16 < jorgeluis> I've played around on a few articles and user pages w/it and it seems counter-intuitive. 18:17 < jorgeluis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Killiondude?veaction=edit -- try to edit the text on my userpage, for example 18:17 < jorgeluis> Revent: ha. 18:18 < jorgeluis> Revent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W-88_warhead_detail.png look at the "source" info... 18:18 < Revent> jorgeluis: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hydrogen_bomb#The_remaining_secret:_how_the_secondary_is_compressed <- the /real/ WP:BEANS 18:18 < SoapX> does visualeditor have the ability to generate tables? 18:18 < jorgeluis> SoapX: Yes and no. It seems to be riddled with bugs. 18:18 < jubo2> Shampanskoe, beer and vodka, why not multidrink ..? vitamin ehh ? 18:19 -!- StringTheory11_ [47d66dd5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.214.109.213] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:19 < jorgeluis> why can't i add newlines on my userpage at the bottom? 18:19 -!- speredenn [~speredenn@2a01:e34:ee40:55e0:e5eb:ca44:5646:d6ad] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19 < jubo2> Garçon, Шампанское, пибо и водка, s'il vous plait 18:21 < jubo2> yo bring the caviar homie I could never resist eating fish eggs 18:21 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:21 < jorgeluis> SoapX: It looks like table support is not available yet 18:21 < jorgeluis> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:VisualEditor/FAQ 18:22 < jorgeluis> i know i read about it somewhere; I wonder if it was just available to people use used the pre-beta version 18:22 < wolfgang42> Is there a way to turn it off entirely? I'm never going to use it and it just adds more clutter to the tab bar 18:22 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:22 < jorgeluis> There's a way to hide the option, but it still loads the scripts necessary. 18:22 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:22 < jorgeluis> wolfgang42: importScript('User:Matma Rex/VE killer.js'); 18:23 < wolfgang42> Bah. Oh, well. Where's the setting for that? 18:23 < wolfgang42> jorgeluis: Thanks 18:23 < jorgeluis> add that to your common.js or vector.js/monobook.js 18:23 < jubo2> There's this one fish, really small fish with really small eggs and it's so delicious with sour, high-fat cream, crêpes, chopped slightly air caramellized onions, salt-n'-pepa to taste 18:23 < jubo2> it's called a vendace, just checked with source 18:24 < jubo2> ** high fat sour cream 18:24 < jorgeluis> wolfgang42: what FF version are you running? 18:24 < jorgeluis> jubo2: Hi. Please move to ##defocus or wherever that hell-hole is now. 18:24 < SoapX> yeah the visual editor gets reaaaaallllyyyy slllloooooow when editing larhge tables 18:24 < IH|away> SoapX: indeed, we're working on it 18:24 < SoapX> but thats still better than having 500 lines of mediawiki code to look at 18:25 < wolfgang42> jorgeluis: Just upgraded to FF 22.0 today. 18:25 -!- Sutekh [~Sutekh@unaffiliated/sutekh] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:25 < jorgeluis> ah. 18:25 < jorgeluis> OS? 18:25 -!- Sutekh [~Sutekh@unaffiliated/sutekh] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25 < Nascar1996> Those Tags are so annoying 18:25 < wolfgang42> Ubuntu Linux, Precise, running Gnome Classic (no effects) 18:26 < jorgeluis> Not sure why it's not working for you... (or did you fix it?) 18:27 < Revent> jorgeluis: the 'pre-beta' version. (lol) http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4-1.html#Nfaq4.1 18:27 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:27 < jorgeluis> ;) 18:27 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:27 < wolfgang42> jorgeluis: It's not working, but I'm just installing VE killer and giving up, since I prefer working with raw markup anyhow 18:27 < Revent> (is, sadly, not kidding, btw... 18:28 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana] 18:29 < wolfgang42> Revent: http://xkcd.com/859/ Close your parentheses! ) 18:29 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 18:29 -!- ceradon [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:30 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:30 -!- ceradon is now known as Guest10031 18:30 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:31 < Revent> wolfgang42: :P 18:31 -!- Guest10031 is now known as euphoria 18:31 -!- euphoria [6c3cf4ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.60.244.171] has quit [Changing host] 18:31 -!- euphoria [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:31 < jorgeluis> so much euphoria right now 18:31 < euphoria> >_< 18:32 -!- Bradford is now known as Bebo 18:34 < Bebo> ._. 18:34 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:34 < jorgeluis> holas. 18:35 -!- mabdul [~mabdul@wikipedia/mabdul] has left #wikipedia-en ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 18:35 < jorgeluis> http://i.imgur.com/P1hoYOS.gif 18:35 < SoapX> cant change font color in VE? 18:35 < theopolisme> jorgeluis: :D 18:35 < Revent> "Since it is possible to do this at virtually no added cost or other penalty, compared to an inert material like lead, by using natural or depleted uranium or thorium there is basically no reason not to do it if the designer is simply interested in making big explosions." <- the insanities of nuclear weapons design... 18:37 < jorgeluis> theopolisme: o/ 18:37 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Client Quit] 18:38 < Bebo> jorgeluis: hablas español 18:38 < Bebo> o.o 18:38 -!- wolfgang42 [~quassel@wikipedia/Wolfgang42] has quit [Quit: Quit IRC] 18:39 < jorgeluis> Bebo: claro que si 18:39 < Bebo> O_O 18:39 < jorgeluis> si vives en california tienes que saber un poco 18:39 < jorgeluis> y espero que yo sepa mas que un poco :) 18:39 < jorgeluis> (tengo dudo de "sepa" 18:40 < jorgeluis> ) 18:40 < Bebo> (8 18:40 < Bebo> no vivo en california 18:40 < Bebo> LOL 18:40 -!- Sutekh [~Sutekh@unaffiliated/sutekh] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:40 < jorgeluis> pues, el "tu" general :P 18:41 < Bebo> mmm. 18:41 -!- Xolsten [~0@bas3-sthubert21-2925264557.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:41 < jorgeluis> tambien, soy escritor 18:41 < Revent> "The 50 Mt three stage Tsar Bomba (King of Bombs) tested by the Soviet Union on 30 October 1961 was the largest and cleanest bomb ever tested, with 97% of its yield coming from fusion (fission yield approximately 1.5 Mt). Assuming a primary of 250 kt (to keep the fissile content relatively low for safety reasons), we might postulate secondary and tertiary stages of 3.5 Mt and 46 Mt respectively. Thi 18:41 < Revent> s fusion stages would require 1700 kg of Li6D (at 50% fusion efficiency), and something like 250 kt of fission for reliable ignition. If the initial spark plug firings were 25% efficient, later fission would release another 750 kt - placing the total at 1.25 Mt (close enough to the claimed parameters to match within the limits of accuracy). 18:41 < Revent> This was a design though for a 100-150 Mt weapon! A lead tamper was used in the tested device, which could have been replaced with U-238 for the dirty version (thankfully never tested!)." 18:41 < Bebo> ok .-. 18:42 < Revent> (Sorry, I'll stop 18:42 < jorgeluis> No me conoces, Bebo? 18:42 < Bebo> No 18:42 -!- Revent [~Revent@wikipedia/Revent] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 18:42 < jorgeluis> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Luis_Borges 18:42 < Bebo> Soy de venezuela.......... 18:43 < jorgeluis> un vecino! 18:43 < jorgeluis> jorge luis es de argentina :P 18:43 < Bebo> :P 18:43 -!- JohnLewis [~JohnLewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:43 < Bebo> okay bay 18:43 < jorgeluis> bye? 18:44 < Bebo> yes 18:44 -!- Bebo [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has left #wikipedia-en ["Porque dicen que el Valiente vive hasta el cobarde quiere!!! ;)"] 18:47 -!- tos [tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:47 -!- jorgeluis [~noise@wikimedia/Killiondude] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:48 -!- Volis [~variable@unaffiliated/hugo-drax/x-7148487] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:49 -!- o2o [~o@186.195.176.2] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:53 -!- Jguy [~Jman@unaffiliated/jguy] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:54 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:55 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:56 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 18:58 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59 < Nascar1996> "Let's be blunt: I can barely use Wikipedia right now because the section editing tags are knocked so far over to the left they are horrendous. Please install a turnoff button, instead of dismissing editors' concerns with "you'll like it"." 19:00 < foks> eh 19:02 < Nascar1996> how do I change to mono book, etc 19:03 < Nascar1996> oh 19:03 < foks> well, "so far over to the left" - like, uh, over the header text? 19:03 < Nascar1996> nevermind 19:03 < foks> that's a bug 19:04 < Nascar1996> I didn't say it 19:04 < foks> if it's just the style they dislike, well 19:04 -!- RaphaelQS [6d18ad39@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.24.173.57] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:04 < foks> didn't say you did 19:04 < Nascar1996> k 19:04 < Nascar1996> Just making sure you aren't making the wrong assumptions. 19:05 < Nascar1996> What skin is your favorite foks? 19:05 < foks> Monobook, by a long long way 19:05 < Nascar1996> I'm in-between Vector and Monobook 19:05 < foks> Cannot be arsed with dropdown menus in anything really 19:05 < SoapX> monoobok 19:05 < Nascar1996> I could get used to Monobook 19:05 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06 * Nascar1996 tries it out 19:06 < Nascar1996> Does it have smaller print than Vector? 19:07 < foks> not to my knowledge 19:08 < Nascar1996> Hm 19:09 < Nascar1996> foks: So your reason for not using Vector is the drop down menus? 19:09 < foks> there are a few other reasons, but that's a pretty big one 19:10 < Sky2042> The dropdown menus make deletion a pain. 19:10 * Sky2042 is just sayin'. 19:10 < Nascar1996> o_O 19:10 < foks> They make pretty much everything a pain. 19:10 < Nascar1996> like deleting a page 19:10 < Nascar1996> ? 19:10 < foks> Yes. 19:10 < Sky2042> Rather, mass deletion of pages. 19:10 -!- JustBerry_ [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:10 < Nascar1996> ah 19:10 < foks> You have to like, mouse over the menu and pray it doesn't randomly shut itself etc. 19:11 < SoapX> Monobook is the only one worthy of serious use 19:11 < Sky2042> It used to be shift + tab, click for 15 sets of pages, then the same thing to delete. Now it's hold mouse for dropdown, then move mouse, then click. 19:11 < Nascar1996> Is there a pie chart showing what amount of users use which? 19:11 < Sky2042> :( 19:12 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:12 -!- Jamesofur is now known as Jamesofur|away 19:13 -!- JustBerry_ is now known as JustBerry 19:14 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:14 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:14 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:15 < foks> Vector is probably okay for the average user/editor. 19:15 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:15 < foks> But like, adminwork is much more complex than it has to be when you throw in really fiddly dropdowns 19:16 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18 -!- catohornet [~carolsand@12.207.199.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19 -!- catohornet1 [~carolsand@12.207.199.10] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- springle [~springle@ppp118-208-104-249.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- euphoria [6c3cf4ab@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:19 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:20 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@2601:c:9100:94:2df2:a13c:8260:b82] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:20 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@2601:c:9100:94:2df2:a13c:8260:b82] has quit [Changing host] 19:20 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:20 < dtm> hah! i'm constantly hitting 'edit' and accidentally not really editing. ;) 19:26 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:26 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:27 -!- Xolsten [~aghastMMR@bas3-sthubert21-2925264557.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:30 -!- Xolsten [~aghastMMR@bas3-sthubert21-2925264557.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 19:31 -!- o2o_ [~o@186.195.176.2] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda 19:33 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34 -!- o2o [~o@186.195.176.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:35 -!- Jacnoc [~mIRC@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:36 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@unaffiliated/jayflux] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:36 -!- o2o_ [~o@186.195.176.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@199-83-222-173.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:38 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@199-83-222-173.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:38 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:38 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:38 -!- theopolisme [~theo@99-109-166-198.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:38 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:39 < dtm> i thought that {{track listing}} created a table with alternating colors per line http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Track_listing 19:41 -!- o2o_ [~o@186.195.176.2] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:43 -!- o2o_ [~o@186.195.176.2] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:43 -!- MartijnH [nanananana@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:43 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 19:44 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:44 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has quit [Quit: bbl doing installationy things] 19:45 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:47 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:49 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:55 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:57 < Nascar1996> Why isn't hotcat working 19:58 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:58 < Ironholds> Nascar1996: in what editor? 19:58 < Nascar1996> you mean skin? 19:59 < Nascar1996> oh 19:59 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59 < Nascar1996> ? 19:59 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:01 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|away 20:03 < Ironholds> Nascar1996: the VE? 20:03 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:04 < Nascar1996> It usually doesn't have to be under any editor for it to work. When you switch to other articles the +/- is there beside the categories at the bottom of the page. 20:04 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:05 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06 < SoapX> true 20:06 < SoapX> i can confirm that hotcat is indeed missing 20:06 -!- Guest97581 [~me@52.54.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 -!- Guest97581 [~me@52.54.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:07 < dtm> notcat 20:07 -!- RaphaelQS [6d18ad39@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.24.173.57] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:08 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:09 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-171-137.bb.ispone.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:09 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-171-137.bb.ispone.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 20:09 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:09 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:10 -!- Nascar1996 is now known as YE|Fool 20:11 -!- YE|Fool is now known as Nascar1996 20:13 -!- Sutekh [~Sutekh@unaffiliated/sutekh] has quit [Quit: Sutekh] 20:14 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17 -!- CoalBalls [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 < Charmlet> !admin this needs something, all look to be hoaxes, and editor is mass creating them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Armenia_Fan 20:19 -!- catohornet1 [~carolsand@12.207.199.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@c-24-3-73-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@c-24-3-73-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:19 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- Bradford is now known as AndreaGonzalez 20:19 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:20 < Charmlet> anyone? 20:20 < Charmlet> please? 20:21 < Charmlet> they're still at it. 20:21 -!- SapiensIngentis [~SapiensIn@173-30-250-215.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 20:21 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: ANI 20:22 < SoapX> does he seriousl expect us to believe that the French won a war 20:22 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 20:22 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I don't do ANI, too much drama. 20:22 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I stay away from drama now. 20:22 < Charmlet> SoapX: hence why I know it's hoaxy. 20:22 < GorillaWarfare> Guhh 20:22 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:22 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare can does for please? 20:22 -!- Seahorse_ [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:22 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:23 -!- Seahorse_ is now known as Seahorse 20:23 < CoalBalls> SoapX: http://i.imgur.com/fvypapU.png 20:24 < SoapX> i considered using that as the summary but i went with just a normal deletion 20:24 -!- AndreaGonzalez is now known as Bradford 20:24 < SoapX> GW blocked him now 20:25 < Charmlet> SoapX: and GorillaWarfare thanks :) 20:25 < SoapX> there seems to be at least some truth in the articles though 20:25 < SoapX> which is why Im not mass-deleting them all 20:25 < GorillaWarfare> SoapX: Where? I Googled like five of them 20:26 < Charmlet> SoapX: There's truth. But not at the reported year/date/outcome/etc. 20:26 < Charmlet> Hell, for some, there's articles already over the non-hoax things 20:26 -!- insub [~lol@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:2807:3ffe:51a3:1ec3] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:26 < SoapX> "Imsul Peasent Revolt " seems to be real, although misspelled 20:26 < SoapX> War of Christophe's Succession too 20:27 < SoapX> the guy spells really badly 20:28 < GorillaWarfare> So far no results for "Korean Revolution of 1786", "Owu-Ife War", or "Arakanese Uprising" 20:28 < Guerillero> what is this, GW? 20:29 < GorillaWarfare> Imsul Peasant Result might be [[Donghak Peasant Revolution]], but the dates are off by 30 years 20:29 < SoapX> lol @ that polandball comic 20:29 < GorillaWarfare> Guerillero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Armenia_Fan 20:29 < GorillaWarfare> SoapX: I'm going to mass delete, I think 20:29 -!- bxemia [~cnce@70-100-200-94.dsl2.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:29 < SoapX> ok 20:29 < GorillaWarfare> I'll check em before I do 20:29 < bxemia> Does Wikipedia accepts bitcoins as a donation? 20:29 < GorillaWarfare> But so far none of these are legitimate 20:29 < SoapX> no objectionf rom me 20:30 < Guerillero> mass delete 20:30 < Guerillero> bxemia: no 20:30 < Bradford> Guerillero: :3 20:30 < Bradford> <3 20:30 < Guerillero> sup 20:30 < bxemia> I've got 40 bitcoins i want to donate to Wikipedia... 20:31 < GorillaWarfare> bxemia: we do not accept "artificial" currencies - that is, those not backed by the full faith and credit of an issuing government. 20:31 < bxemia> wich is worth 3,566$ US 20:31 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:31 < GorillaWarfare> bxemia: Could you perhaps have them exchanged? 20:32 * BlastHardcheese gives GorillaWarfare some zimbabwe dollars 20:32 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 20:32 < bxemia> good idea... 20:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o foks] by ChanServ 20:32 -!- insub [~lol@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:2807:3ffe:51a3:1ec3] has left #wikipedia-en [requested by foks (insub)] 20:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b-o *!*@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:2807:3ffe:51a3:1ec3 foks] by foks 20:32 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-6-187.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 20:32 < dtm> so apparently, a reference can't have both a group and a name, huh? 20:33 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33 < foks> i don't get VE's ref system 20:33 < foks> at all 20:33 * Nascar1996 has VE blocked 20:33 < dtm> Nascar1996: lol 20:33 < foks> I do too, at least until it's a bit better for the end user 20:33 < Nascar1996> just add importScript('User:Matma Rex/VE killer.js') to common.js 20:34 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet, Guerillero: Kay, I nuked em 20:34 < Guerillero> foks: it has always been that way 20:34 < Charmlet> Guerillero: GorillaWarfare SoapX thanks you all 20:34 < Guerillero> yw 20:35 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:35 < dtm> i want a reference to have a group and a name! <ref group="bar" name="foo"> 20:35 < Charmlet> foks: go complain about it. 20:35 < Charmlet> foks: Like me and at least 5 others have done in the past week. 20:35 < dtm> so that i can have them be individuals, but also be categorized for maintenance and display within the article. 20:35 < Charmlet> foks: We've been met with "we don't give a shit, that's enwp specific, and we don't care this is a CONEXCEPT case" 20:35 < foks> um, no 20:36 < foks> I'm not about to shit on something that's been worked on for about a year by people I respect because I don't like a piece of their work 20:36 < foks> or rather, because I don't like it 20:36 < foks> I'm not about to shit on something that's been worked on for about a year by people I respect because I don't it* 20:36 < foks> Oh god I suck. 20:36 < BlastHardcheese> what is this i dont even 20:36 < GorillaWarfare> foks: <3 20:36 < Nascar1996> foks: We still respect and love you 20:36 < Nascar1996> <3 20:37 < dtm> Charmlet: suddenly switching the default on the basic GUI without an explanation, tour, or instant config option, ... wow i'd expect more like 5 complaints a minute. 20:37 < foks> :< 20:37 < Charmlet> dtm: There have been. 20:37 < foks> I have no idea why this was rush-released. 20:37 < dtm> Charmlet: i bet 20:37 < Charmlet> dtm: the 5 is pretty much only for references. 20:37 < dtm> Charmlet: yeah. that's what you can personally cite. ;) lol 20:37 -!- TeeTylerToe [~e@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:37 < Charmlet> if I wasn't on ignore, I'd yell more at Ironholds 20:37 -!- rmaohxd [~kxm@72.187.36.67] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:37 < rmaohxd> !ops focks, stop raping me... 20:37 -!- rmaohxd [~kxm@72.187.36.67] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:37 < foks> never 20:38 * Charmlet is raped by foks 20:38 < RD> foks: Stop it 20:38 < TeeTylerToe> ... 20:38 < Charmlet> yeah, foks, stop it! 20:38 < GorillaWarfare> ... 20:38 < Spitfire> dammit foks 20:38 < Guerillero> please don't make rape jokes 20:38 < RD> :D 20:38 < foks> foks 20:38 < GorillaWarfare> *focks 20:38 < Charmlet> oh fucks. 20:38 * foks is very confused. 20:38 * Charmlet is too. 20:39 < Charmlet> back to VisualEditor. 20:39 -!- zjpqawn [~wwvrn@c-71-207-112-7.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:39 < zjpqawn> Rape jokes: if people don't laugh, force them. 20:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o foks] by ChanServ 20:39 -!- zjpqawn [~wwvrn@c-71-207-112-7.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #wikipedia-en [requested by foks (zjpqawn)] 20:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b-o *!*@c-71-207-112-7.hsd1.pa.comcast.net foks] by foks 20:39 < Charmlet> Basically, the WMF has time and time again said that they don't give a flying shit about what anyone wants, and they're going to force this out their way regardless of any input. 20:39 -!- pjxphep [~lnx@72.187.36.67] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:39 < pjxphep> Some people don't like rape jokes. 20:39 < TeeTylerToe> so with the visual editor... how do you do any formatting, like <ref></ref> and reflists, and everything else 20:39 < pjxphep> In my experience I find it helps break the awkward tension afterwards. 20:40 -!- pjxphep [~lnx@72.187.36.67] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:40 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o foks] by ChanServ 20:40 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+r] by foks 20:40 < Charmlet> So, basically, WP:VE/Feedback is WP:DARK_HOLE_WHERE_YOUR_COMMENTS_DONT_GET_CARED_ABOUT_UNLESS_THEYRE_A_SOFTWARE_BUG_AND_NOT_A_FEATURE_REQUEST 20:40 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o foks] by foks 20:40 < Nascar1996> o.o 20:40 < TeeTylerToe> to be fair, the old editor was a wreck 20:40 < Bradford> ._. 20:40 < TeeTylerToe> but they replaced it with something even worse 20:40 < Nascar1996> what 20:40 < dtm> Charmlet: did you just paintstakingly type that all out? or did you use search and replace on spaces? lol 20:40 < Nascar1996> TeeTylerToe "a wreck" 20:40 < Charmlet> I just tell it like it is. 20:40 < Nascar1996> ?????????????? 20:40 < Charmlet> dtm: I typed it out with shift held :P 20:41 -!- Jan_wmf [~Jan.Eissf@37-4-21-160-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41 < Charmlet> Nascar1996: WMF doesn't care anything we think about VisualEditor. 20:41 < dtm> Charmlet: dedication. 20:41 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: I think your judgment of the VE team is a little bit harsh. 20:41 < TeeTylerToe> from a design perspective. There were about a dozen different and conflicting ways of doing everything because people kept grafting crazy stuff on it like they were crazy scientists 20:41 < D_> Ooh ooh are we complaining about VE? 20:41 < Nascar1996> Charmlet: I'm talking about "to be fair, the old editor was a wreck" 20:41 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: Have you SEEN the responses on the Feedback page and other pages? 20:41 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:41 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: Namely [[WP:VE/F]] and [[WP:VPT]] 20:41 < TeeTylerToe> from a design perspective. There were about a dozen different and conflicting ways of doing everything because people kept grafting crazy stuff on it like they were crazy scientists 20:41 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41 < Nascar1996> TeeTylerToe: The edit bar was horrible, but some scripts fixed it for me 20:42 < TeeTylerToe> it was all a wreck 20:42 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Yes? 20:42 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: Look at them, and the WMF's responses. 20:42 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:43 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: "we think it's better this way, even though it's obviously not, so let's do it our way and not care about your opinions/requests" 20:43 < GorillaWarfare> "That's an excellent suggestion; I'll throw it in Bugzilla." 20:43 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: ejeeeeeeele :3] 20:43 < GorillaWarfare> "That makes a lot of sense; I'm going to throw it in Bugzilla now" 20:44 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: not really. 20:44 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: "that's a bug? k, bugzila it" 20:44 < foks> with respect, airing really negative views on this in here isn't helping 20:44 < foks> since nobody in here can do anything about it 20:45 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: "that's a feature request? throw it in bugzilla, then have the team/devs all excuse why they can't do it" 20:45 < foks> apart from if they send stuff to BZ 20:45 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: So you're upset that you're using a bugtracker, is what I'm hearing. 20:45 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: No, I'm upset that they shut down every idea without even trying. 20:45 * Elsie snuggles foks. 20:45 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Example? 20:46 < foks> Elsie, hi 20:46 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: http://enwp.org/WP:VE/F#References_(more) 20:46 -!- bxemia [~cnce@70-100-200-94.dsl2.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46 * GorillaWarfare looks 20:46 < Charmlet> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VE/F#Citations_.28more.29 20:46 < dtm> Charmlet: are you saying they're doing a lot of WONTFIX or NOTABUG 20:46 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: wrong link 20:47 < GorillaWarfare> "I can ping the person who made the RefToolbar video about a new one :)" 20:47 < Charmlet> dtm: No, they're doing a lot of WP:CONEXCEPT (i.e. WP:WE_THINK_THIS_IS_BETTER_SO_WE_DONT_GIVE_A_SHIT_WHAT_THE_OVERWHELMING_FEEDBACK_IS_REGARDING_ANYTHING ) 20:47 < GorillaWarfare> Oh joy 20:47 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: We do need a new one. 20:47 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: ESPECIALLY before the IP rollout. 20:47 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: You don't *have* to do it, but someone needs to. 20:48 -!- Chenzw|away is now known as Chenzw 20:48 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: In that response, I'm not seeing "WE WON'T DO THIS" 20:48 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: I'm seeing "How do you propose we do this?" 20:48 < D_> "You don't have to do it but someone needs to" should be the motto of the project, to be honest 20:48 < Charmlet> "Most of those templates only exist on enwiki and a few other projects. What bugs are you finding with the existing setup?" 20:48 < Charmlet> was Ironholds' full response. 20:48 < SoapX> Im agreeing with Charmlet on this topic, really 20:48 < MJ94> GorillaWarfare: !!!!!!!!!!! 20:48 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: tell me how that's "how do you suggest we do this" and not "oh, here's an excuse, and a change of subject" 20:49 < Nascar1996> MJ94 !!!!!!! 20:49 < MJ94> Hello, #wikipedia-en. What's new? I've been away for a couple months. 20:49 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: No, it's a "this is the blocker that we're running into" 20:49 < GorillaWarfare> Hey MJ94 :) 20:49 < Nascar1996> MJ94: VisualEditor 20:49 < MJ94> Heya Nascar1996! 20:49 < MJ94> Nascar1996: whaaa 20:49 < Nascar1996> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VE 20:50 < SoapX> yeah 20:50 < MJ94> jesus there's two edit buttons 20:50 < SoapX> Visual Editor is the biggest change in the last 3 months 20:51 < Nascar1996> MJ94: just add importScript('User:Matma Rex/VE killer.js') to common.js to disable it 20:52 < GorillaWarfare> Wow, so he _just_ notices teh VE and you're already telling him to disable it? 20:52 < D_> To be fair, that's probably the first reaction of a lot of people 20:52 < D_> Justified or not 20:52 < GorillaWarfare> D_: AGH CHANGE 20:52 < D_> Pretty much 20:53 < D_> During the beta I disabled VE for a period of time because I kept clicking the wrong button 20:54 < Nascar1996> GorillaWarfare: Most of the editors probably will not like it. It is only good for editing text. Even adding a wikilink is complicated on VE. 20:54 < Isarra> . 20:54 < SoapX> its good for editing tables 20:54 < SoapX> but still buggy 20:54 < Nascar1996> SoapX: If you don't have to add more to it 20:54 < MJ94> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MJ94/sandbox 20:54 < MJ94> I did it! 20:54 < SoapX> and sssslllloooooowwww 20:54 < GorillaWarfare> Nascar1996: I don't mind it, and I think that it will lower the bar for new editors. It's still new, and there are bugs, but I don't feel the need to condemn it. 20:54 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 20:55 < GorillaWarfare> MJ94: Hee, missing reflist 20:55 < GorillaWarfare> MJ94: Tripped me up too 20:55 < Isarra> Oops. 20:55 < MJ94> d'oh 20:55 < D_> So VE doesn't automagically insert a reflist? 20:55 -!- dtm [~dtm@v2.smuckola.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55 < Isarra> Does anything? 20:55 < D_> Oh hey, there's a button for it 20:55 < Nascar1996> SoapX: Is there a way to add more rows? 20:55 < Nascar1996> or columns? 20:56 < MJ94> I don't like VE for the sole reason that people at RfA are going to oposee per USER DOESN'T CREATE ALL HIS FA ARTICLES BY SOURCE. 20:56 < MJ94> oppose* 20:56 < Ironholds> Nascar1996: full table editing is next on our features to-do list 20:56 < Nascar1996> Ironholds: ok 20:56 < Nascar1996> Once it does that, it will be fine 20:56 < D_> I assume that the VE edit tag is going to go away eventually 20:56 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:57 < D_> Give it a couple of years 20:57 < MJ94> "If the VisualEditor launch is successful, we will have a lot more new users than we are used to " why is this? 20:57 < MJ94> Ironholds: I like it! 20:57 < GorillaWarfare> MJ94: Because it's more familiar to new users 20:57 < Nascar1996> MJ94: Because it will go from people who are using it because they want to, to all users. 20:57 < GorillaWarfare> MJ94: Wikitext is scary to new users 20:57 < MJ94> New RFA nom: X should be an admin because he knows how to /edit the source/ 20:58 < GorillaWarfare> Nascar1996: So are you saying that any new features should be opt-in forever? 20:58 < MJ94> GorillaWarfare: hell, wikitext scares me. 20:58 < Ironholds> Charmless: for reference, saying "this sounds like you're lying to us! But I won't say that because AGF" is still saying you think we're lying to you. 20:58 < Nascar1996> GorillaWarfare: wut 20:58 < Charmlet> Ironholds: for reference, if you see that, I gave a worst case scenario that it could sound like. 20:59 < GorillaWarfare> Nascar1996: Because it will go from people who are using it because they want to, to all users. 20:59 < GorillaWarfare> Nascar1996: Quote, unquote 20:59 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59 < SoapX> MJ94 i'd be totallly cool with that RfA 20:59 -!- tawker [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Tawker] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 20:59 < Nascar1996> GorillaWarfare: That was a response to MJ94's If the VisualEditor launch is successful, we will have a lot more new users than we are used to 20:59 < MJ94> SoapX: why? 20:59 < GorillaWarfare> Nascar1996: Yes, I interpreted it to mean that they were forcing people into it. Perhaps I misread. 21:00 < Nascar1996> I'd say quite a bit of users didn't know about it 21:00 < GorillaWarfare> Nascar1996: ? 21:01 < CoalBalls> OK 21:01 < CoalBalls> Some admin should kill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northernlion 21:01 < CoalBalls> Before his friends notice that you can remove the CSD 21:01 < MJ94> 01:01, 2 July 2013 Soap (talk | contribs) deleted page Northernlion (is a youtube channe;) 21:02 < MJ94> SoapX: so you're saying you're against established users or admins using VE? 21:03 < SoapX> no I said VE is good for some things but very buggy 21:03 < MJ94> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northernlion again 21:03 < MJ94> SoapX: re: the rfa 21:03 < MJ94> er 21:03 < MJ94> lemme reword 21:03 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:04 < MJ94> Would you be against someone running for RfA if all they used was VE if they used it 100% correctly? 21:04 < MJ94> and wasn't buggy? 21:04 < CoalBalls> I can see it now 21:04 < CoalBalls> * '''Oppose''' - user only uses VisualEditor, and has no real knowledge of wiki markup ~~~~ 21:04 < SoapX> eh 21:04 < SoapX> i'd be hesitant 21:04 < D_> To be fair, I'd expect an admin to have at least some very basic familiarity with wiki markup 21:04 < SoapX> it really depends on what they were planning to do as admin 21:05 < D_> Even if they were to use VE for majority of edits 21:05 < CoalBalls> I guess it's more of "I didn't learn how to use markup because I never had to" in this case 21:05 < SoapX> also Im assuming Visual Editor will improve, and that we're not just going to freeze the development and let the bugs keep on festering 21:06 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:06 < Nascar1996> How would you know they use VisualEditor once the tag is gone? 21:07 < MJ94> can someone delete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northernlion 21:07 < MJ94> and block 21:07 < D_> Hidden cameras, Nascar199& 21:07 < MJ94> NSA 21:07 < Charmlet> SoapX: why in hell did you protect that with the hashtag on it O.o 21:08 -!- dtm [~dtm@v2.smuckola.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:09 < Nascar1996> D_ lo 21:09 < MJ94> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/KazuReaper 21:09 < MJ94> click that 21:10 < MJ94> :) 21:12 < Nascar1996> If an op would click that 21:12 < MJ94> s/op/admin 21:12 < MJ94> (poke prod GorillaWarfare SoapX ) 21:13 < Nascar1996> YAY 21:13 < Nascar1996> Remove VisualEditor from the user interface 21:13 < Nascar1996> IN PREFERENCES 21:13 < CoalBalls> Yay! 21:14 < GorillaWarfare> MJ94: {{done}} 21:14 < SoapX> Charmlet: i was slower than the vandal 21:14 < MJ94> Thanks GorillaWarfare ! 21:14 < Charmlet> SoapX: :( 21:14 < MJ94> Nascar1996: You don't like VE? 21:14 < SoapX> apparemntly if you create-protect a page too slowly, it can turn into a regular protection 21:14 < Nascar1996> MJ94: I mostly edit tables 21:14 < Nascar1996> ,etc 21:15 < dtm> Nascar1996: tooootally tabular, duuuuude 21:15 < Charmlet> SoapX: GorillaWarfare others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northenlion 21:15 < Charmlet> deletion pls 21:15 < dtm> Nascar1996: do you do discographies and such? 21:15 < MJ94> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northenlion is still up, btw 21:15 < MJ94> ah Charmlet 21:16 < Nascar1996> How am I suppose to do this with VE? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series#Drivers 21:16 < dtm> Nascar1996: wow that's purty. 21:16 < Nascar1996> lol 21:17 < D_> Well, at least it doesn't involve 40 different templates in its construction 21:17 < dtm> Nascar1996: you wouldn't happen to be interested in discographies and references, would you? 21:17 < dtm> D_: hi. ltns. 21:17 < Nascar1996> references yes, other no 21:18 < D_> Hello, I haven't been around much 21:18 < MJ94> That's nice Nascar1996 21:18 < MJ94> I wish I knew how to do that, haha 21:18 < Nascar1996> I didn't o most of it 21:18 < Nascar1996> do* 21:18 < MJ94> Having a table maker in VE would be nice. 21:18 < dtm> Nascar1996: how do you do that? raw wikicode editing, or an app? 21:18 < SoapX> hmm 21:18 < SoapX> someone's actually trying to make a serious article for Northernlion now 21:19 < Nascar1996> |bgcolor="#efcfff"| 38 21:19 < Nascar1996> |bgcolor="#cfcfff"| 24 21:19 < D_> What are the colors, actually 21:19 < Nascar1996> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:NASCAR_driver_results_legend 21:19 < D_> Oh, nevermind, there's a key link 21:19 < MJ94> CoalBalls: you're fast 21:20 < CoalBalls> o/ 21:21 < D_> Hm, I guess these tables could use tooltips or something to replace the colors for WP:ACCESS 21:21 < SoapX> it looks like they copied it from http://youtube.wikia.com/wiki/Northernlion 21:21 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 < Nascar1996> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Formula_One_season#Drivers.27_standings 21:22 < dtm> Nascar1996: i'm tryin got learn advanced references. check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films#References 21:22 -!- tos [tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has left #wikipedia-en ["Help me! I'm bein kidnapp..."] 21:23 < Nascar1996> nice 21:23 < D_> I can feel my Firefox slowing down and I haven't clicked edit yet 21:23 < D_> wiked doesn't like long articles with lots of references 21:23 < Nascar1996> I'm waiting for someone to peer review a list in the article section 21:24 < dtm> D_: so how's it going 21:24 -!- Firefly67 is now known as HeIpmebot 21:24 < Nascar1996> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/List_of_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series_champions/archive2 21:24 < dtm> D_: you're here just in time to help me figure out advanced references! namely, groups! 21:24 < D_> Awesome! 21:25 < dtm> i want to do <ref group="bar" name="foo"> so that i can group them in the ==References== display, like here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films#References 21:25 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25 < dtm> i am confused in that article, as to why they use a combination of <ref group="#"> and <ref group="bar" name="foo"> 21:26 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o foks] by ChanServ 21:26 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-r] by foks 21:26 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o foks] by foks 21:26 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26 -!- HeIpmebot is now known as GoriIIaWarfare 21:26 < D_> Where do you see a group="bar" or equivalent? 21:26 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:27 < dtm> right now, all i want to do is group them by discography, videography, and bibliography. 21:27 < dtm> D_: tons. just do a browser search for this --> <ref group= 21:27 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:27 < D_> Right, most are group="#" 21:27 -!- GoriIIaWarfare [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has left #wikipedia-en [] 21:28 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:28 -!- JustBerry is now known as Gohwiwa_Wahfah_H 21:28 < D_> Generally, the name of the group will precede the footnote labels 21:28 < Jasper_Deng> Gohwiwa_Wahfah_H: stop the impersonation 21:28 -!- Gohwiwa_Wahfah_H is now known as GowiwaWahfahHiya 21:28 < D_> so footnotes with group="#" will look like [# 1] [# 2], etc. 21:28 < dtm> for example --> | style="text-align:center;"|<ref group="#" name="avatar"/> 21:28 < dtm> i already have all of my references at the bottom , like this --> 21:28 < dtm> ==References== {{reflist | refs= .... 21:29 < GowiwaWahfahHiya> Jasper_Deng: Erm... see #wikipedia-en-helpers 21:29 < SoapX> lol @ username 21:29 < GowiwaWahfahHiya> Jasper_Deng: Particular event/situation happening right now, if you haven't noticed. 21:29 < dtm> D_: i have been seeing that so far, yeah. it makes em kinda big, so i might go with just a single-character as well. like <ref group="d" ...> for discography. 21:30 < dtm> D_: but really i dont need them to change the citation display like that. i just want to organize their reference lists at the bottom. 21:31 -!- GowiwaWahfahHiya is now known as JustBerry 21:31 < D_> Hm, I don't think you can have silent groups, if that's what you want 21:31 < D_> It'd be ambiguous in print, as the numbers restart 21:31 < dtm> D_: so here's what i've got so far, and as you can see, i dont want to change the citation name (i just want [1], [2], etc) and theyre all broken at the bottom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/sandbox 21:31 < JustBerry> Jasper_Deng: Lol, it's already over 21:31 < dtm> oic. 21:32 < dtm> D_: so are you sure about that? 21:32 < dtm> i have some docs here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Reflist#Grouped_references 21:32 < D_> I recall trying to do what you're trying to do before 21:32 < D_> but I forget how and why it didn't work 21:32 < dtm> which is basically no docs 21:32 < TeeTylerToe> I tried using the visual editor on my sandbox, it turned the whole page into a single line 21:33 < Nascar1996> When is tool server closing 21:33 < dtm> TeeTylerToe: automatic data compression. sweet. 21:33 < Guerillero> 2014 21:34 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:34 < D_> Clearly, it's minification 21:34 < MJ94> so…many…vandals 21:34 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@38.66.68.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34 < dtm> MJ94: where?!!! :-o 21:34 < MJ94> Wikipedia :P 21:35 < dtm> oh, over there? again?! 21:35 < dtm> dang it 21:35 < dtm> MJ94: what are you doing? CVU? 21:35 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:35 < MJ94> yes. 21:35 -!- PROMOSPAM [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:35 < dtm> cool. 21:36 < Nascar1996> no one uses huggle 21:36 < Nascar1996> its all twinkle any more 21:37 < D_> I see people use Huggle 21:37 < JustBerry> !huggle 21:37 < D_> You can tell by the fancy warnings they issue to vandals 21:37 < D_> Fancier than TW 21:38 < D_> dtm: Yeah, as far as I know, there's no way to have footnotes spread between two lists with continuing numbers 21:38 -!- GabrielF [~GabrielF@wikipedia/GabrielF] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:38 < D_> So you either have to use a short group name, use a special group like lower-alpha (which generates [a], [b], [c], etc.), or figure out something entirely different 21:38 < dtm> D_: so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films is the best example i've ever seen, personally. i can see that they are using the <ref group="#"> and <ref group="#" name="foo">. but my article wont let me do that, apparently. i dont really need continuous numbers, i guess. 21:38 < Nascar1996> D_: I haven't in a year 21:39 < D_> Let me look at your source, dtm 21:39 < dtm> D_: I shall allow it. 21:39 < dtm> most emphatically, indeed. 21:41 < MJ94> Nascar1996: people don't use tw? 21:41 < MJ94> er 21:41 < MJ94> hg? 21:41 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41 < D_> Ugh, I guess this is happening because you have a reference list in the reflist and groups 21:41 < D_> I'm sure there's some documentation on this somewhere 21:41 < dtm> D_: i dont grok that 21:42 < Nascar1996> MJ94: I haven't seen anyone using it in over a year 21:42 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana] 21:42 < Guerillero> I use twinkle 21:42 < MJ94> GorillaWarfare: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Teori+Johnson 21:42 < MJ94> :) 21:44 < dtm> D_: i dont know what you "a reference list in the reflist and groups" means, sorry 21:44 < dtm> D_: thanks for looking at this btw 21:44 < MJ94> Thank you GorillaWarfare 21:44 < GorillaWarfare> MJ94: Sure 21:44 < D_> dtm: I mean this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List-defined_references 21:44 < MJ94> GorillaWarfare: Can I PM you? 21:44 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:45 < dtm> D_: oh. using {{reflist|refs=...}} basically, huh 21:45 < MJ94> s/Can/May 21:45 < D_> Yes 21:45 < D_> but it should be working yet it isn't 21:46 < D_> Hold on 21:46 * dtm HOLDS. 21:46 < D_> Oh, duh 21:46 < D_> I see the problem 21:47 < dtm> :-o 21:47 < D_> You wrote |reflist= instead of |refs= 21:47 < dtm> wtf. 21:47 < dtm> <-- fired 21:47 < CoalBalls> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=562480608 21:47 < CoalBalls> someone 21:47 < CoalBalls> GorillaWarfare: ^? 21:47 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o foks] by ChanServ 21:47 < MJ94> CoalBalls: Hey, GW is my admin slave! 21:48 -!- Guest47265 [~root@198.144.190.183] has left #wikipedia-en [requested by foks (Guest47265)] 21:48 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b-o *!*@198.144.190.183 foks] by foks 21:48 < JustBerry> MJ94: ... 21:48 < MJ94> well hi foks 21:48 < foks> allo 21:48 < dtm> D_: k t h x 21:48 < MJ94> JustBerry: yes? 21:48 < dtm> D_: so we have a lot more workage there now, but not totally. 21:48 < JustBerry> MJ94: Hello? 21:49 < JustBerry> MJ94: Need something? 21:49 < MJ94> Hello. No, you sent me an ellipsis so I was just asking. :) 21:49 < dtm> D_: so what would you suggest overall for having named references, which are grouped at least in their presentation? 21:49 < D_> The way you're doing it makes sense 21:50 < D_> Except I'd use names that are simpler 21:50 < dtm> yeah. 21:50 < dtm> D_: i guess <ref group="d" name="foo"> and <ref group="v" name="bar"> would be better. 21:50 < dtm> D_: you had mentioned figuring out some other way but i can't even imagine that 21:51 < dtm> D_: and as for group="small-alpha", i dont even know what good that is. 21:51 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:51 < D_> Eh, I was thinking more like sfn or something 21:51 -!- Jamesofur|away is now known as Jamesofur 21:51 < dtm> D_: i dont know what that is. 21:51 < D_> small-alpha uses [a] [b] [c]... instead of [1] [2] [3] 21:52 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: I didn't do it!] 21:52 < dtm> D_: and then how does it wrap, at [z]? 21:52 < dtm> that's not valuable. 21:52 < D_> I actually don't know 21:52 < D_> it might go aa ab ac, etc. 21:52 < dtm> yeah. ;) 21:52 < D_> I think it's actually part of CSS, not a WP thing 21:53 < GorillaWarfare> CoalBalls: Wha? 21:53 < CoalBalls> [18:47:34] �<�CoalBalls�>� http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=562480608 21:53 < dtm> sed -e 's,group="vid",group="v",g' -e 's,group="disc",group="d",g' 21:53 < GorillaWarfare> CoalBalls: Yeah, What are you asking? 21:53 < CoalBalls> delete please 21:54 < GorillaWarfare> CoalBalls: What? 21:54 < GorillaWarfare> It's a The revision #562480608 of the page named "Main Page" does not exist. 21:54 < CoalBalls> Oh, someone got it already 21:54 < GorillaWarfare> k 21:54 < dtm> D_: is the way i'm doing it now in my sandbox (like i had just said, with <ref group="d" name="foo">, basically how that film list is doing it? 21:55 < D_> Yes, except you're doing it in a list-defined reference 21:55 < D_> but that shouldn't make a difference 21:55 < D_> also, I was wrong, the labels are actually defined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Cite_link_label_group-lower-alpha 21:55 < D_> So you can go up to azz and then you're out of footnotes 21:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare it seems like interesting stuff is happening 21:55 < dtm> D_: i updated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/sandbox 21:56 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56 -!- nonsenseferret [~nonsensef@wikipedia/nonsenseferret] has quit [Quit: away] 21:56 < dtm> D_: oh i see, so it goes all the way up to the azz end of it 21:56 < D_> It also has an ass in the middle 21:56 < dtm> okay. 21:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It turns out US is wiretapping every dipolatic mission it can think of... 21:56 < dtm> D_: we've got the full spectrum treatment 21:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I wonder if they wiretap themselves out of habit... 21:56 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 21:57 < D_> Well, it looks like you still have mismatched references there 21:57 < dtm> they go cruisin around in their slow-motion thug limos and sunglasses, eyeballing office buildings, goin "oh HAYL yeah, i'd totally wiretap DAT!!!" 21:57 < dtm> D_: chaos abounds. 21:57 < GabrielF> I am shocked, SHOCKED that the government is spying on foreign embassies 21:58 < D_> Yeah, isn't that the whole reason for existence of spy agencies? 21:58 < dtm> *our* government is doing WHAT NOW? 21:58 < SoapX> lol 21:58 < dtm> better watch more Burn Notice 21:59 -!- FastLizard4|away is now known as FastLizard4 21:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF, I am actually shocked. 21:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> You wouldn't want to wiretap your loyal allies. 21:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if the word gets out people can become ex allies 21:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its too much of an unnecesary risk 21:59 < dtm> D_: feel free to let me know that that's just about one of the most bad ass artists' biographies you've ever seen in all your natural born days, btw. i wrote it all. 22:00 < GabrielF> well the EU stuff probably needs some explaining, but in general there's a reason we have a huge intelligence apparatus 22:00 < D_> Well, uh, it's pretty, um, neat 22:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF there are conventions signed on this 22:00 * dtm flashes a blade in front of D_ 22:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there is no point for countries to have embassies if they cannot have secure communicaiton with them 22:00 < D_> I mean, it's awesome 22:00 < D_> I want to donate my firstborns to it 22:00 < D_> Yes, multiple 22:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> diplomats arent just tax free tourists 22:01 < dtm> D_: it shall not have any firstborns. its contributions are only literary, and audiovisual. 22:01 < D_> Good, cause I don't have any 22:01 < GabrielF> the whole point of having intelligence agencies is that governments have things that they feel are necessary but not legal or, for lack of a better word, socially acceptable 22:01 < dtm> even though this article transcends this puny wiki, it does not assimilate firstborns 22:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF I can kind of guess how they gotten into the EU systems 22:01 < dtm> D_: graphs!!!!!! WE HAVE GRAPHS. 22:02 < dtm> D_: i want moar graphs hax. ideally i'd like to have multiple colors on the same horizontal row in the same place, like if a guy played multiple instruments or something 22:02 < dtm> at the same point in the timeline 22:02 < dtm> IS POSSIBRU?? 22:03 < D_> Like, with stripes or something? 22:03 < dtm> D_: i knwo there are different types of graph engines 22:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF I wonder how much of a hard time US diplomatic missions will get. 22:03 < D_> I've seen people just replace native graphs with SVGs to accomplish that 22:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> any svg artists here? 22:03 < dtm> D_: i compromised on the patterns, by doing a light color. as you can see. but also, i would like to basically have mini lines. 22:04 < dtm> SVG file??? shiiiiiiiii 22:04 < dtm> that is beyond my present, though substantial, hax quotient 22:04 < GabrielF> we'll see, particularly with regards to US allies, but historically spying on embassies is pretty much expected 22:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure 22:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its not suprising for Russia to listen to the US or vice versa 22:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the problem happens when its allies that you are treating like your enemies 22:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US embassy in Moscow has bugs embedded into the cement 22:06 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has quit [Quit: brb] 22:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> capable of listening to keyboard taps 22:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd tap that 22:07 < D_> Must've been annoying to people trying to hang pictures on a wall 22:07 < D_> without breaking a microphone 22:08 < dtm> D_: so for example, you presently see one solid green line there, but i'd also like to suddenly split that line's height in half and add another part like if he started playing harmonica for one album or something 22:08 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ actually its fairly easy to kill them with modern tech. 22:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Microwaves 22:11 < D_> dtm: I don't think you can split bars. You could try some fancy things with lines, but like I said, by then you might be better off doing a dedicated image 22:12 < dtm> D_: and what app would one use for this? 22:12 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:12 < dtm> D_: does an svg file remain editable and viewable by all? 22:12 < D_> You could hand-draw it in Inkscape, but there's probably some advanced tools like matplotlib you could use 22:12 < D_> And yes, svg files are XML 22:12 < dtm> D_: is that something that is presented by mediawiki and rendered in the browser, and just downloaded? 22:12 < D_> MediaWiki renders svgs as png by default, I think 22:13 < D_> you can click through them to get the original svg 22:13 < dtm> k 22:13 < dtm> sounds good, though way more difficult 22:13 < dtm> unless there's some app just for that 22:13 < dtm> or whatnot 22:13 < dtm> i have zero experience with such things 22:13 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13 < D_> I don't think there's a trivial way to do it 22:14 < dtm> D_: this is where i got the idea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(band)#Timeline and for example, each of those guys play multiple instruments. 22:14 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 22:15 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:17 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17 -!- theopolisme [~theo@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:18 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF can I use you btw? 22:19 < GabrielF> what's up? 22:19 < dtm> he has failed usability tests. no. 22:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the ISS is up but I would like help with [[2013 protests in Turkey]] 22:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> do you think you can help in any way? 22:20 < GabrielF> I'll look at it now 22:21 < GabrielF> is there anything in particular that you'd like me to look at? 22:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well, more content is needed 22:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> copy edits too 22:21 -!- Catuse [~hairballs@trivialand/student/catuse] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I also am working on that table 22:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the list is only partially converted to a table 22:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> more people really needs to work with this, its a +1 month protest :/ 22:25 < GabrielF> hmm isn't the plural of "water cannon" "water cannons" 22:26 < GabrielF> not "water cannon"? 22:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> probably but each armored vehicle has only one of them 22:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> where is it used? 22:26 < GabrielF> several times in the intro 22:27 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@162.17.204.1] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:27 < GabrielF> On the evening of 15 June, following several peaceful evenings in the square including piano recitals, police moved in with tear gas and water cannon adulterated with pepper spray, and rapidly cleared and occupied the park and square 22:27 < GabrielF> the word adulterated is also a bit odd 22:27 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Quit: Good night, and good luck.] 22:28 < SoapX> Turkey 22:28 < MJ94> Ham 22:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes 22:28 < SoapX> "cannon" is the plural of cannon in some contexts 22:28 < SoapX> I personally find it annoying 22:28 < SoapX> but it's not incorrect 22:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think it is trying to say "commenced their attack" 22:29 < SoapX> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cannon#Noun 22:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OH 22:29 < GabrielF> it seems antiquated and stuffy to me 22:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know what this means 22:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what police did is they addec chemicals into the water supply of the water cannons 22:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the new mixture caused a burning sensation until the exposed changed their clothes 22:29 < TeeTylerToe> where would I discuss adding to the nvidia template at the bottom of nvidia articles? 22:30 -!- Chenzw is now known as Chenzw|away 22:30 -!- Nascar1996 is now known as nas|away 22:30 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@ma22336d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:30 < GabrielF> but I don't think adulterated is the right word, I don't think you can adulterate water 22:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean, why only choke people to death and blow them around like ragdolls with water cannons :p 22:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know its not the right word 22:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I had to think about what it was trying to say :p 22:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://thesaurus.com/browse/mix?s=ts 22:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its one of the synonims, not a good one but one of them 22:31 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:31 < dtm> D_: aha! i think i understand, from the link you gave me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List-defined_references#Examples ... they do {{reflist|group=foo|refs=.....}} but the individual <ref>s don't have a group. 22:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "amalgamate" ? 22:32 < D_> dtm: Apparently it works either way 22:32 < D_> what you need to make sure is that your calls to the ref in the text actually have the group specified 22:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or maybe just "mix" 22:32 < D_> I think that's the problem with your sandbox article 22:33 < D_> "Most modern water cannon are also capable of adding tear gas to the stream." 22:33 < D_> Is what our article on water cannons says 22:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats a lie though 22:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> water cannons can only handle pepper spray 22:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats not really a gas 22:33 < TeeTylerToe> Where would I discuss adding the predecessors to PureVideo, VPE and HDVP to the nvidia bottom template thing? 22:34 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@162.17.204.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tear gas is when pepper spray is airborne through other chemical procesees 22:34 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@ma22336d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34 < dtm> D_: well it should work yeah but i dont need to have group= in the <ref>. right? i mean i could see that if it was a total scalability issue maybe. but this is not a supermassive article like that film one. 22:35 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@ma22336d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:35 < D_> You don't need it in the list, you need it in the <ref group="herp" name="derp" /> that you put in the text 22:36 < dtm> D_: inline yes. i understand that it needs to be consistent either way. but i'm saying i dont need to do it that way, if i'm only organizing the visual presentation. 22:36 < dtm> D_: i am just wanting to verify with you that i dont really need to internally organize groups; just to present them as groups in {{reflist|group=..}} 22:36 < dtm> amirite 22:36 < dtm> for this type of article 22:36 < dtm> i'm not totally sure why the film one did individual ref groups. 22:37 < D_> What do you mean by "internally organize"? 22:37 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:37 < dtm> D_: i mean using <ref group=> 22:38 < dtm> inside the inline citations 22:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF do any of those suggestions work better? 22:38 < D_> Right, you don't need to explicitly specify the group inside your list 22:38 < TeeTylerToe> Can I boldly edit a template? 22:38 < D_> See the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daranz/sandbox 22:38 < dtm> D_: i'm askin if you have an opinion on which way this article needs 22:39 < D_> Style-wise? Leave the group off, probably more readable that way 22:39 < dtm> k 22:40 < TeeTylerToe> what happens if I boldly edit a template? 22:41 < D_> Same thing that happens if you boldly edit an article, likely 22:41 < TParis> you get stabbed 22:41 < D_> Like I said 22:41 -!- SoapX is now known as {soap|bed} 22:44 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has left #wikipedia-en [] 22:44 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 22:44 -!- JustBerry [~8fe4a001@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Quit: Leaving... ##justberry] 22:45 < dtm> D_: so what do you think of my discography layout? selected discography in a table, and full discography in {{collapse}} (suboptimal for screen readers though it might be, so i've heard) 22:45 < D_> You could always spin the discog off to another article 22:46 < dtm> D_: yeah i might do that later. 22:46 < D_> I don't know what the MoS or other recommendations say about discographies 22:46 < dtm> D_: so far i haven't seen any official way to do it; the discography guidelines all say "here are some templates and suggestions but do whatever" 22:46 < D_> But, I think that collapsible is by default uncollapsed without js, and should work nicely with screen readers 22:46 < dtm> yeah it's just way too long if uncollapsed by default 22:47 < dtm> so, whatever. 22:47 < dtm> i haven't tested it with a screen reader. 22:47 < D_> Depends on the screen reader 22:47 < D_> As a rule, if it looks ok in Lynx, a screen reader can probably manage somehow 22:47 < dtm> D_: how do you like the Achievements tab? i'm trying to pack in the most notable stuff about a given artist. 22:47 < D_> At least that's how I think 22:48 < dtm> D_: Sound legit(tm). 22:48 < dtm> blam 22:48 < dtm> D_: i WISH that i had a single, normal template for all this 22:48 -!- Xolsten [~aghastMMR@bas3-sthubert21-1279641478.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:49 < D_> It sorts funny 22:49 < D_> I don't know why 22:49 < dtm> but instead, we have 40 templates, each specifically limited 22:49 < D_> the achievement column, that is 22:49 < D_> Maybe just leave in blank cells? 22:49 < D_> that or disable sort 22:49 < dtm> oh, i guess it probably shouldn't be sortable because its contents aren't normalized 22:49 < GabrielF> I just got default visual editor for the first time 22:49 < dtm> what do you mean by blank cells? 22:49 < GabrielF> neat 22:49 < dtm> GabrielF: congrats 22:50 < CoalBalls> http://i.imgur.com/KaMtLfb.png 22:50 < CoalBalls> There's a WP username and password in there 22:50 < CoalBalls> Not sure what further action should be taken, if any 22:50 < D_> You have a whole bunch of cells merged in the column as it stands 22:50 < dtm> D_: they're just empty 22:51 < Charmlet> CoalBalls: That is not a valid username. 22:51 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51 < CoalBalls> ok then 22:51 < Charmlet> as in User:ytewq does not exist. 22:51 < D_> They're not there at all 22:51 < D_> so the table looks funny 22:52 < D_> I think it was supposed to be ytrewq but someone forgot the r 22:52 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:52 < D_> User:Ytrewq exists, though 22:53 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: ejeeeeeeele :3] 22:53 < Charmlet> D_: then the password in the image is not valid. 22:54 < D_> Well, I'm glad you checked, because I didn't want to 22:54 < Charmlet> D_: I'd always check, and then instantly change the password and email the email they had.. That's what'd be nice to the account owner. 22:54 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55 < dtm> D_: oh crap. both the {{reflist | group=}} and the inline citations have to have the 'group='. but *not* the refs= 22:55 < D_> It's logical, but I have an aversion to such things as I don't want to be accused of being an evil hacker 22:55 < dtm> D_: so i think that'll do it. 22:55 < Charmlet> D_: meh, I think AGF applies :) 22:55 < GabrielF> can you edit references in visual editor? 22:55 < D_> Right, at least with WP 22:55 -!- PontoCom [c93e6e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.62.110.154] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:55 -!- CoalBalls [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55 < Charmlet> GabrielF: Yes. Should you try to? Hell fucking no. 22:55 < Charmlet> GabrielF: The references suck in VE 22:56 < GorillaWarfare> GabrielF: A bit, but not in a reftools kind of way 22:56 < TeeTylerToe> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Nvidia&diff=562487779&oldid=560920105 22:56 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Man, you're really helpful. 22:56 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I said what you did in a blunt WP:NOTCENSORED way. 22:56 < TeeTylerToe> We should have an article on hardware codec acceleration 22:56 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: No, you're railing against the VE without making any effort to fix it. 22:57 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: How the hell am I supposed to fix the VE? 22:57 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Work with the VE team 22:57 < Charmlet> Heh, not likely, one of them already won't listen to me and ignores me, I could ping Keegan but I'd rather not make him mad too. 22:58 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Or you could submit bug reports, which is _actually_ helpful 22:58 < PontoCom> Hellow Peeplu! 22:58 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: Bug reports are for bugs, not for features that you know the team won't actually listen to because they've said they aren't going to be doing it. 22:58 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@mc95a36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:58 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Bug reports are for features 22:58 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: features *that have some chance of getting done* 22:58 < Charmlet> you missed every word I typed after features. 22:59 < TeeTylerToe> So edit source is how you do anything that isn't editing text that doesn't include any links 22:59 < Charmlet> TeeTylerToe: yep. 23:00 < Charmlet> TeeTylerToe: i.e. vandals inserting PENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENIS get it easier, everyone else still has to use the old editor. 23:00 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: What, the references thing? 23:00 < D_> I dunno, edit source would be faster if you just wanted to insert a lot of penis 23:00 < D_> It doesn't need to load a bucket of js 23:00 < TeeTylerToe> VE isn't enabled on the main sandbox? 23:00 < Charmlet> D_: Some vandals insert it in a <!-- html comment PENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENIS inadvertantly --> 23:00 < Charmlet> TeeTylerToe: Nope. 23:01 < D_> Not enabled in WP: space 23:01 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@ma22336d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:01 < TeeTylerToe> Is there anything good about VE? 23:01 < D_> Only mainspace and User: 23:01 < D_> So you can use it in your sandbox 23:03 < GabrielF> whoever is working on the Turkey protest article has got to stop omitting the author name from references 23:03 -!- Xolsten [~aghastMMR@bas3-sthubert21-1279641478.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:04 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39621 23:04 < TeeTylerToe> that doesn't sound like a terrible problem, and a lot of times finding the author is difficult or impossible 23:05 < GabrielF> its usually right below the title! 23:05 < GabrielF> I'm talking about references to the New York Times, The WSJ, Foreign Policy, etc. 23:05 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I don't know what that means 23:06 < GabrielF> especially if its an opinion piece, if you omit the author name it reads like you're citing the newspaper's editorial board, not a contributor 23:07 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: That's a bug report regarding the VisualEditor and citations. You'll notice its status is "NEW" (not "WONTFIX" or similar), and its priority is "High normal" 23:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2013/06/27/how-would-you-like-your-doner-with-or-without-a-gas-mask/ 23:07 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:07 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: ... New means it hasn't been changed to WONTFIX yet ;P 23:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats some dedication 23:08 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I understand the BZ interface. 23:08 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I don't understand the title. 23:08 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: What is the title of the BZ ticket asking them to do 23:08 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: It was reported in August. 23:08 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Do you understand what "refactor" means? 23:08 < Charmlet> Not in code terms... 23:09 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Refactoring code is when you take existing code and alter how it's written for one reason or another 23:10 < {soap|bed}> ♥♥♥ 23:10 < dtm> the general reason is to make it not suck! 23:10 < GorillaWarfare> In this case, it's to work the VE plugin for Cite into the Cite extension so that it will work with the VE 23:10 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:10 < D_> Ah, optimism 23:10 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: so it's basically asking them the same thing they've confirmed MORE RECENTLY they won't do? 23:10 < dtm> to make it not suck, usually due to its origins in hackery, kludgery, and quick fixes! 23:10 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: When exactly have they said "we won't work on references"? 23:11 < dtm> wikipedia has good articles about code refactoring and code smell lol 23:11 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:11 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: gah, we've been through this. 23:11 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Right. And yet somehow you still came out of the discussion thinking they're not going to make any improvements to the citations? 23:12 < Charmlet> They said it's too enwiki specific. 23:12 < Charmlet> I can quote that shit. 23:12 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: No, they said that citation _templates_ are too enwiki specific 23:12 < GorillaWarfare> There is a huge difference 23:12 < Charmlet> So you're saying theres some other way to improve the citations? 23:12 < Charmlet> #seemslegit 23:13 < dtm> D_: so what have you been up to lately? now that you're here, i realize that i've missed you! 23:13 < Gfoley4> hashtags don't work in IRC 23:13 < D_> Oh, you know, certainly not anything illegal 23:13 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: You think that citation templates are the only way to make a good citation? 23:13 < dtm> D_: absolutely 23:13 < Charmlet> Gfoley4: they do actually, but they're links 23:13 < D_> To channels 23:13 < D_> There is a #yolo channel 23:13 < Gfoley4> well yes 23:14 < dtm> D_: oic 23:14 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: I think the reftoolbar is the only way to make an easy one with all the things in it someone needs to verify for a newbie. 23:14 < Charmlet> Gfoley4: #you #just #got #b #u #r #n #e #d 23:14 < Gfoley4> damn 23:14 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: So, say the VE had a popup that looked just like the RefTools one, that created the formatted text without the use of a template. That's not a good solution? 23:15 < Charmlet> No, that's a good citation. 23:15 < Charmlet> The reftoolbar wouldn't *HAVE* to use templates. 23:15 < Charmlet> But it's the easiest way to do it. 23:15 < GorillaWarfare> It's the easiest way if you're editing enwiki. 23:15 < Charmlet> otherwise a change would produce inconsistency. 23:15 < GabrielF> we should definitely try to standardize citations so that the data is structured 23:15 < GorillaWarfare> But if you're creating a product that's supposed to work cross-wiki, then what? 23:15 < Charmlet> (and es:wiki among others) 23:16 < D_> Then you make it modular enough that you can make it work cross-wiki 23:16 < D_> I suppose then it doesn't fall to the people working on VE to incorporate some sort of a ref template functionality, though 23:17 < GorillaWarfare> D_: Right. And mass-creation of templates on any wiki that wants nice cites is, IMO, not a good solution. 23:17 < D_> What I'm saying is, there needs to be a way to write a reftoolbar equivalent for VE 23:18 < D_> But I don't know the first thing about VE, so I don't know how viable that is 23:18 < GorillaWarfare> D_: I agree, and I think they are working on finding a good solution. 23:19 < TeeTylerToe> Imagine code is a black box, things that come into the black box are called input, and things that go out of the box are output. Refactoring code is changing the black box and making it better, but keeping the input and output the same. Refactoring is rewriting something to do the same thing... just faster, and better 23:19 < GabrielF> *sigh* we're citing an author as last name Board, first name Editorial 23:20 < D_> I bet there's an automated tool involved in the process somewhere that did it, GabrielF 23:20 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [] 23:21 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Anyway, feel free to continue angrily ranting about the VE. But until you actually start to contribute productively towards making it a better tool, don't expect anyone to take you seriously. 23:21 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: Have you seen the mountains of suggestions and bugs I've given them? 23:22 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: Probably not, what's your bugzilla name? 23:22 < Charmlet> GorillaWarfare: bugzilla is for sissys. I go to WP:VE/F 23:22 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22 < GorillaWarfare> Charmlet: My point. 23:22 < GabrielF> if someone is creating these refs with an automated tool that scrapes the article website or whatever then they need to be smacked 23:23 < D_> Why? Automated tools are useful, as long as you pay attention and don't just blindly trust their output 23:23 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:23 < dtm> D_: :-[ waaaah. i can't figure it out! all i want to do is to separate the ==References== into subsections, like the film list was, but while using named references! 23:24 * IDoH agrees with D_ 23:24 < GabrielF> well this person was not paying attention and blindly trusted the output 23:24 < dtm> D_: it does seem that the film list is doing that, and it's sometimes using multiple citations per named reference 23:25 < Charmlet> TeeTylerToe: oh hell no they better not leave the reference output be the same as it is in VE now. 23:25 < dtm> D_: like for example <ref group="#" name=kramer> 23:25 < Charmlet> dtm: there's also autogroups that change the numbering style :D 23:26 < dtm> D_: in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films 23:26 < dtm> Charmlet: are you talking about the three reserved names, like lower-alpha or whatever 23:26 < Charmlet> dtm: yep :P 23:26 < Charmlet> dtm: I've been meaning to vandalise (cough) an article by changing that xD 23:27 < D_> dtm: So what exactly is the problem? 23:27 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:28 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:29 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-180-99.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:30 < dtm> D_: the problem is that all my references become invalidated when i try that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/sandbox 23:30 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@mc95a36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mc95a36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:31 < D_> You're not specifying the group in your inline calls 23:31 < D_> You need to specify the group like so.<ref name="whatever" group="d" /> 23:32 < dtm> ok. and i'll have to remember why THAT didn't work, once i switch it back to that. ;) 23:35 < dtm> the film one doesn't have inline citations in the article for everything. 23:36 < dtm> somehow. 23:36 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:37 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 < dtm> it just references the group inline in the article body, i guess. <ref group="#"> 23:37 < dtm> weird. 23:37 < D_> Well, yes, you can do that, too 23:37 < D_> If you don't specify a name, you can't use it again 23:37 < D_> but if you don't want to use it again, that's ok 23:38 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:38 < dtm> no i dont want it like that. 23:39 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile2 [~LtNOWIS@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:40 < {soap|bed}> it seems like 80-90% of new articles are deleted 23:40 < dtm> {soap|bed}: yikes. 23:42 -!- LtNOWIS-mobile [~LtNOWIS@mc95a36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:43 < dtm> D_: holy smack on toast. it appears that we have reached a compromise and that i may go get my chili cheese tots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/sandbox 23:43 < D_> Don't let me stop you 23:45 -!- PROMOSPAM [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46 < dtm> D_: so how's that look to you? does that seem optimal, given all possibilities? 23:46 < D_> It makes sense 23:46 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-0415.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:46 < D_> You might want to note that d stands for discography and v stands for videography somewhere 23:46 < D_> in case that's unclear to someone 23:47 < dtm> i could make another area for interviews or articles etc 23:47 < dtm> yeah. 23:47 < dtm> Charmlet: tell me what you're wanting to vandalize? i might be interested 23:47 < dtm> D_: thanks a lot for being a sounding board 23:47 < dtm> bbl tots 23:48 < Charmlet> dtm: I want to add group=lower-alpha or similar to all refs in an article to change them xD 23:49 -!- D_ [~D@pool-108-29-81-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51 -!- GabrielF [~GabrielF@wikipedia/GabrielF] has quit [Quit: GabrielF] 23:51 -!- TheChance [~thechance@174-25-102-100.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:52 -!- D_ [~D@pool-108-29-81-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:52 < D_> blah 23:53 -!- Fox2k12 [~yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:53 -!- Fox2k12 [~yogi@2.171.167.184] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:53 -!- Fox2k12 [~yogi@2.171.167.184] has quit [Changing host] 23:53 -!- Fox2k12 [~yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:59 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:59 < TeeTylerToe> What a diabolical scheme! --- Log closed Tue Jul 02 00:00:54 2013