User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-06-03
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Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Mon Jun 03 00:00:55 2013 00:02 < koishi> aaaaaaaaaaaaa 00:05 < gry> ? 00:06 < dtm_> why can't i make a multi-column setup that starts alongside an infobox? 00:06 < dtm_> it waits until the bottom of the infobox in order to display my table 00:07 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.65.137] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:07 -!- aghastEVK [ThrashIRC@122.151.65.137] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:07 < gry> dtm_: link? 00:08 < gry> you could try putting infobox inside of a div with float:right;,but I think it does that already, so it's just a question of what the width of your content is 00:08 < dtm_> gry: well i'm still previewing it. but i'll save it really fast if you're quick ;) 00:09 < dtm_> i'll do a test page 00:11 < dtm_> gry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/sandbox 00:11 < dtm_> this is totally messed up. 00:12 -!- idiot [idiotsiboo@117.237.234.254] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:13 < gry> ok 00:13 < dtm_> ==Sports== table and the bus on one row. Stadium bleaches on another row. ===Football=== 00:13 < dtm_> that's how i want it. 00:13 < dtm_> s/bleaches/bleachers/ 00:13 < dtm_> gry: thanks 00:14 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:14 < Jasper_Deng> koishi: you're Despastche on-wiki? 00:14 < Jasper_Deng> taking that to ANI wasn't a good idea, IMO. 00:14 * Jasper_Deng would have preferred to take it to DRN. 00:15 < dtm_> gry: it's like the infobox is magic. oil and water. 00:15 < dtm_> gry: and this is the only table-based template i can find which even remotely works. all the rest of them dont work at al. 00:15 < dtm_> all. 00:15 < gry> so you'd like table 25% width, 75% width photo, then the infobox (from left to right), correct? 00:15 < dtm_> i probably tried about four. {{div col}}, {{columns}} etc 00:15 -!- idiot [idiotsiboo@117.237.234.254] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:15 < dtm_> gry: pretty muc 00:15 < dtm_> h 00:15 < dtm_> gry: i dont want to declare widths ideally. 00:16 < dtm_> i just want the table and the bus pic to be consecutive. 00:16 < dtm_> adjacent 00:16 < gry> check what I did, does it look right? 00:17 < gry> (reload the page) 00:17 -!- idiot [idiotsiboo@117.237.234.254] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:19 < dtm_> gry: so you had to put the image first? 00:19 < dtm_> that's somehow magic? 00:19 -!- David_Stevenson [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20 < dtm_> gry: and i'm going to add a {{clear}} before ===Football=== 00:20 -!- idiot [idiotsiboo@117.237.234.254] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:21 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@host31-54-196-149.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21 < dtm_> gry: i guess that'll do. do you have any idea why i can't do the table and then the image? 00:21 < gry> {{clear}} may add too much white space, the infobox is way long 00:21 -!- OlEnglish [~me@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has quit [Quit: audi] 00:21 < dtm_> no it's regardless of the infobox 00:22 < gry> image has left float set: it means it floats at the left of the content that follows 00:22 -!- peachey|laptop__ is now known as p858snake 00:22 < dtm_> i mean it comes after the infobox anyway 00:22 < dtm_> oh! the float. 00:22 < dtm_> i forgot about that parameter! 00:22 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:23 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 00:25 < gry> dtm_, I added {{clear}} after second image before ==Football==, see what I got: http://imgur.com/a/lTchf 00:25 < dtm_> gry: yeah that's what i did, thanks 00:25 < dtm_> i just published it. thanks for reminding me of the left float. 00:26 < dtm_> formatting is crazy. tables are CRAZY. 00:26 < dtm_> you tell me in what rational world there could possibly be six different templates just for tables. 00:26 < gry> heh 'published' :) that usually follows extensive peer review; you just 'saved' it rather :) 00:26 < dtm_> yeah. 00:26 < gry> it's not the worst part of wiki markup though, it's decent with those params and being customisable; the templates language is the real hell :) 00:27 < dtm_> :-o 00:28 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as Pink|away 00:28 < gry> dtm_, I did formatting edits to the page, reload and look please, does it look better? (real page, not sandbox) 00:29 < gry> I just moved the football team photo a bit up so it floats at the left, assuming less white space is better 00:29 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:29 < dtm_> yeah and i added another {{clear}} 00:30 < dtm_> good idea 00:30 < dtm_> well done. thanks man. 00:30 -!- Moe_Epsilon is now known as David_Stevenson 00:30 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 00:30 < dtm_> i just had gone out and taken all those pictures, so it looks a lot better now 00:31 < dtm_> i'd already redone the school's articles last week 00:31 < gry> yup, might want to chase a few third-party sources, I'm sure a good football team would have decent press coverage 00:31 < dtm_> no doubt. i didn't even start on getting more references. 00:32 < dtm_> if i try to put the table first, and then the bus, i get weird artifact.s 00:36 < koishi> jasper_deng: what's the difference? i really don't know 00:36 < koishi> i just saw that drn "wasn't about user conduct" and ran for it 00:40 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Quit: Solarra] 00:42 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:43 < dtm_> gry: i stuck these photos up on the main page just now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Wesleyan_University 00:44 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:46 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:48 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:52 < gry> nice 00:54 < petan> prague is under water :( 00:54 < dtm_> why?!? who did that 00:55 < dtm_> was that some Indiana Jones stuff 00:56 < petan> floods 00:57 < dtm_> bummer. 00:57 < dtm_> gry: yeah i'm pretty glad coz now the articles look fairly legit 00:57 < dtm_> since i copyedited them and added photos 00:59 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:00 < SigmaWP> good ngiht 01:01 < gry> night SigmaWP (/amsg :o) 01:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> petan ie new vennice? 01:02 < TOS> Good night SigmaWP 01:02 < petan> ToAruShiroiNeko: atlantida 01:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> atlantis? 01:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US to declare war on floods 01:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> war on floods will use stealth bombers to fix the problem 01:04 < SigmaWP> petan: good luck man 01:04 < SigmaWP> You should defenestrate someone 01:04 < SigmaWP> hue hue hue hue hue hue 01:05 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:05 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has quit [Changing host] 01:05 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:07 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda 01:08 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: May your day be wharrgarbl free] 01:08 < gry> dtm_, thanks, that's nice 01:08 < dtm_> gry: yeah so thanks for helpin. i'd been sitting on these changes for a while coz i didn't know how to put it all together. 01:09 < gry> my pleasure 01:13 < dtm_> also i'm looking for someone to translate an article from English to Spanish 01:15 -!- osxdude_ [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 01:16 < gry> I can translate to a foreign language, but it wouldn't be Spanish, would that be desirable? what motivates your language choice? 01:20 < dtm_> gry: because the subject is cuban 01:21 < gry> hrm 01:21 < dtm_> maybe mareklug would translate [[Mitch Markovich]] to Polish. Mitch spent I think a few years in Poland. 01:21 < dtm_> and he did a lot for Japan 01:22 < dtm_> but [[Walfredo Reyes, Jr.]] and his family are Cuban and Puerto Rican 01:22 < dtm_> also, Mitch is from Chicago ;) 01:24 < dtm_> gry: do you cover any of those langauges 01:24 < dtm_> languages? 01:25 < gry> nope but I'll look into translating them in my free time anyway 01:26 < dtm_> gry: well, that's super nice of ya. what languages do you know? 01:26 < gry> thanks for the barnstar at my talk page by the way, I moved it out to a separate barnstars page, I don't think the archiving bot likes to nuke them so I'll start collecting instead 01:26 < gry> just English and a little bit of Russian at the moment 01:26 < dtm_> oh. 01:27 < dtm_> yes you should have a barnstar page 01:27 < gry> yeah, now it's linked at the top of my page 01:27 < gry> my talk page, even 01:27 < dtm_> k 01:27 -!- kuzetsa [znc@yurizoku.tk] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:27 -!- kuzetsa [znc@yurizoku.tk] has quit [Changing host] 01:27 -!- kuzetsa [znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:27 < dtm_> by what criteria does the bot archive your pages? 01:27 < gry> probably a first one from someone different from a bot :) 01:27 < gry> length of edits to a section, iirc 01:28 < gry> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MiszaBot/Archive_HowTo 01:28 < dtm_> weird. 01:28 < dtm_> wiki-weird. 01:29 -!- kuzetsa [znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa] has quit [Client Quit] 01:31 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:32 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:32 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Client Quit] 01:32 -!- kuzetsa [znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:44 < dtm_> gry: so what's up 01:48 -!- Jasper_Deng_away [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-93-247.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:51 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:51 < gry> not much, I'm doing something off-wiki at the moment 01:52 < dtm_> oh no! 01:52 < dtm_> WHY? 01:53 -!- Jasper_Deng_away [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:53 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:56 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 -!- feta_ [b27bbcd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.123.188.217] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 < feta_> any admins or? .. 01:58 < dtm_> i'll take the latter 01:58 < TeeTylerToe> It's not uncommon for them to be here, iirc there's a channel if you have something urgent for them 01:58 < TeeTylerToe> oh wait, For urgent admin help, say 01:58 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:59 -!- addsleep is now known as addshore 01:59 < closedmouth> admins don't usually respond if you don't state what you want 01:59 < TeeTylerToe> You have to ask them for coffee or something, and even then they usually ignore you 02:00 < dtm_> they're really ignorant 02:00 < dtm_> it's just what they do. and they're darn good at it. 02:02 < TeeTylerToe> what do you need help with feta_? 02:04 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:04 < addshore> TOS: care to quickly proof read 1 more thing? :D 02:04 < addshore> make sure I am getting my point across again :D 02:04 < feta_> some guy undid my revision but i think i 02:04 < TeeTylerToe> were you wondering if controversy sections are on the outs why there are entire articles devoted to article controversy? 02:04 < feta_> i'm right 02:05 < TeeTylerToe> The first step is usually to bring it up in the article talk page afaik 02:05 < TOS> sure 02:06 < addshore> TOS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Split_bot_flag =] 02:07 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:07 < addshore> and potentially also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Global_Wikidata_Bots/Message 02:07 < addshore> :D 02:08 -!- Guest5647 [~jamesur@ec2-50-112-50-28.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Changing host] 02:08 -!- Guest5647 [~jamesur@wikimedia/Jamesofur] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:09 -!- Guest5647 is now known as Jamesofur 02:10 < TeeTylerToe> there doesn't seem to be much genuine scruitiny in rfps, it seems to be more a combination of popularity contests and tribalism 02:12 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225045218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:13 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-93-247.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 02:17 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:17 < TeeTylerToe> why are over 100 people lurking in various wikipedia channels? It's boggling to imagine how little the average account actually has any activity 02:21 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda 02:21 -!- Pink|away is now known as Pink|notaway 02:22 < YuviPanda> dtm_: around? 02:22 < YuviPanda> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HashNuke/Exotel is what they have 02:22 < YuviPanda> there are references but nothing inline 'coz he can't figure out how to do inline refs 02:23 < tommorris> TeeTylerToe: plenty of us lurkers are, say, at work, or asleep. 02:23 < tommorris> TeeTylerToe: and I respond to requests for admin action when I'm available to do so. if you feel there aren't enough admins available, go vote some more in. ;) 02:23 < TeeTylerToe> I don't think 197 people have good reason to lurk while asleep 02:24 < tommorris> what's wrong with lurking? 02:24 -!- Jamesofur is now known as Jamesofur|away 02:24 < TeeTylerToe> I don't really buy into the admin "crisis", although the editor think is a little worrying 02:24 < dtm_> tommorris: hi. how's your head 02:24 < YuviPanda> it's easy to lurk especially if you are lurking from a server 02:24 -!- Pink|notaway is now known as PinkAmpersand 02:24 < tommorris> dtm_: a lot better. I have hot honey and lemon and a not too taxing day at work 02:25 < dtm_> tommorris: k 02:25 -!- Sarcasm [~sarcastic@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:25 < TeeTylerToe> does that meet notability? 02:25 < YuviPanda> oh what happened, tommorris? 02:25 < dtm_> TeeTylerToe: are you talking about requests for proposals on the village pump? or reversed field pinch? 02:26 < TeeTylerToe> requests for permissions 02:26 < tommorris> I used to do 'em. I should do more. 02:27 < YuviPanda> dtm_: do take a look at that userspace link when you are free :) 02:27 < YuviPanda> thanks 02:27 < YuviPanda> ! 02:27 < dtm_> tommorris: you should hook a CVU brotha up with some rollback. 02:28 < tommorris> dtm_: you don't have rollback? 02:28 < TeeTylerToe> does that meet notability YuviPanda? 02:28 < YuviPanda> the references listed are all reliable, IIRC 02:28 < TeeTylerToe> Having refereces doesn't mean it's notable does it? 02:29 < tommorris> no, but it is fairly indicative ;) 02:29 < dtm_> YuviPanda: based on that content, i'm gonna say it's not notable, because though it may be notable today, wikinotability is permanent. 02:30 < tommorris> dtm_: check yer user talk 02:30 < YuviPanda> the content could use a bit of impreovement, I agree. 02:30 < dtm_> YuviPanda: it's a startup. it's not the biggest startup in history, it has no worldwide or nationwide groundbreaking achievement, etc 02:30 < TeeTylerToe> and because arguing about notability is one of those things where it seems like the work is impactful 02:30 < YuviPanda> I suppose I'll just ask them to pull it through AfC anyway. 02:30 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:31 < YuviPanda> as I said previously, I will try not to get too involved. 02:31 < YuviPanda> besides, I don't really do much content work, so *shrug* 02:31 < dtm_> tommorris: you are a gentleman and a scholar. i've always said that. and i have Twinkle ;) i just wanted a permission. 02:31 < dtm_> just in case! 02:31 < dtm_> tommorris: what else ya got? ;) 02:32 < tommorris> dtm_: well, you'll have to apply for the others. I'm not a [[WP:HATSHOP]]. 02:32 < YuviPanda> TeeTylerToe: dtm_ is there a policy on Notability for companies written up somewhere? 02:32 < dtm_> tommorris: lol!!! 02:32 < YuviPanda> that I can point the people involved in to? 02:32 < tommorris> YuviPanda: [[WP:ORG]] 02:32 < dtm_> YuviPanda: yeah. search google or wikipedia 02:32 < YuviPanda> thanks tommorris 02:32 < TeeTylerToe> like most wiki policy/blathering it's probably pretty vague bordering on useless 02:33 < tommorris> I'd say if the Exotel article were to go up for deletion, it'd probably be kept 02:33 < dtm_> tommorris: you think so? how? 02:33 < YuviPanda> I think so too. Someone poked me with a similar page a while back, which was also kept 02:33 < tommorris> meets GNG 02:34 < dtm_> tommorris: yeah how? 02:34 < tommorris> well, there's a few sources there that are reliable and provide in-depth coverage of the company 02:34 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34 < dtm_> tommorris: the question is of notability 02:34 < dtm_> which is nationally significant, and permanent 02:35 < TeeTylerToe> When evaluating the notability of organizations or products, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education. 02:35 < tommorris> well, if something meets the GNG, it is notable 02:35 < dtm_> tommorris: that's what i just asked! 02:35 < dtm_> how are you saying that it does so? 02:35 < dtm_> ^_^ 02:35 < YuviPanda> well 02:35 < YuviPanda> 'A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. ' 02:35 < YuviPanda> is from WP:ORG 02:35 < tommorris> yes, but ORG doesn't override GNG 02:36 * YuviPanda goes to read GNG 02:36 < tommorris> specific notability guidelines haven't overriden the GNG for a while 02:36 < YuviPanda> sorry, I'm new to this 02:36 < dtm_> wow that'd cover just about anything 02:36 < tommorris> "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." 02:36 < tommorris> there are three independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the article 02:36 < tommorris> ergo, it satisfies GNG 02:36 < tommorris> just calling it like I see it. ;) 02:36 < dtm_> tommorris: yeah just wondering 02:37 < YuviPanda> okay, i'm going to help add inline refs appropriately 02:37 * YuviPanda goes to read up on syntax 02:37 < dtm_> tommorris: is that ditto for BLP? 02:37 < dtm_> oh it's GNG. wheee. 02:37 < dtm_> and it's late. 02:37 < YuviPanda> what's your timezone, dtm_? 02:37 < YuviPanda> i see you up all the time! 02:38 < dtm_> central 02:38 < kondi> hehe 02:39 < tommorris> dtm_: the specific notability guidelines for people don't override the GNG, but BLP1E does. (and, no, I can't justify why that is, it's just my observation from participating and closing lots of deletion discussions) 02:39 < dtm_> "While consensus may change, notability once established and demonstrated is permanent." 02:39 < dtm_> tommorris: hm. 02:40 < dtm_> tommorris: the criteria on musicians is fairly strict 02:40 < tommorris> yep, because notability is based primarily on sources rather than on some moralistic judgment on a person's worth 02:40 < dtm_> and it's interesting that they say that the musician needs to be an authority in their city. so i disqualified a two-album-published guy in San Diego, but i could qualify a guy with a couple of itunes singles in Salina, KS 02:41 < dtm_> the guy in San Diego was merely nominated for some metro-wide music award festivals but didn't win! Salina doens't even have a music award! 02:41 < dtm_> ^_^ 02:42 < dtm_> but hey it comes down to common sense and community standards, doesn't it 02:43 < TeeTylerToe> the zdnet link is a primary source, and the reuters is a press release 02:44 < dtm_> YuviPanda: well, seeing how the GNG are nearly worthlessly vague, i guess you have a winner ;) 02:44 < dtm_> the warm fuzzy blanket of inclusion 02:44 < TeeTylerToe> Hey! Pretty much ALL notability is worthlessly vague! 02:44 < YuviPanda> hehe 02:44 < dtm_> lol. 02:45 < YuviPanda> should I use <ref> or {{cite web}}? 02:45 < dtm_> i'm definitely getting my hometown rapper in, someday 02:45 -!- foks [~sup@host31-53-170-58.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:45 -!- foks [~sup@host31-53-170-58.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 02:45 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:45 < YuviPanda> <ref> I think? 02:45 < dtm_> YuviPanda: yes 02:45 < YuviPanda> okay, using <ref> 02:45 < dtm_> YuviPanda: <ref name="foo and such">{{cite web}}</ref> 02:45 < YuviPanda> oh, both? 02:45 < TeeTylerToe> but the zdnet and reuters links don't meet GNG, dunno about the others 02:45 < dtm_> and {{cite press release}} and {{cite news}} etc 02:46 -!- feta_ [b27bbcd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.123.188.217] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:46 < dtm_> as is appropriate 02:46 < YuviPanda> i'm still reading through {{cite web}} 02:46 < YuviPanda> would be the first time I've done anything that's not just minor corrections 02:46 < dtm_> YuviPanda: well done 02:46 < dtm_> YuviPanda: you'll never be the same. ruined for life <3 JOIIIIIN UUUUUS 02:46 < TeeTylerToe> it's easy 02:46 < YuviPanda> hehe :P 02:46 < dtm_> now you'll spit on the average article's wikitext 02:46 < tommorris> YuviPanda: you can just use the citation popup thingy. works reasonably well 02:46 < dtm_> and feel so useful 02:47 < YuviPanda> oh? 02:47 < YuviPanda> where is that? 02:47 * YuviPanda looks 02:47 < YuviPanda> oh 02:47 < dtm_> yeah i completely gave up on that thing's limitations 02:47 < YuviPanda> in the toolbar, next to 'Help'? 02:47 < tommorris> YuviPanda: in the formatting bar, click "Cite", then there's a drop down with four options - cite news, web, book and journal 02:47 < TeeTylerToe> there are at least a couple different citation helper things, can't make anything simple 02:47 < tommorris> it does the job reasonably well 02:47 < dtm_> TeeTylerToe: yeah i handily gave up on them all 02:47 < dtm_> painstakingly and longsufferingly 02:50 < YuviPanda> tommorris: oh, it is pretty nice! 02:50 < dtm_> hehe i just copyedited the punctuation on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_is_not_temporary <3 02:51 < tommorris> YuviPanda: there's another one which a lot of people use, but the JS loading is disruptive so I avoid it 02:51 < dtm_> yeah i've disabled some tools due to disruptive javascript 02:51 < dtm_> bigtime 02:51 < dtm_> it sucks to even have to troubleshoot them 02:51 < dtm_> to find the offenders. 02:51 < TeeTylerToe> In the top bar there's the book icon which helps cite, then there's the >cite that helps cite, but wait... there's more, on the bottom there's Cite your sources: <ref></ref>, 02:51 < dtm_> in the sprawling patchwork that is wikipedia 02:52 < YuviPanda> dtm_: should the refs be inserted before the full stop or after? 02:52 < dtm_> YuviPanda: after punctuation 02:52 < dtm_> YuviPanda: it's a generally good idea to look at a known-good article too, by comparison 02:52 < dtm_> YuviPanda: and you'll look upon the wiki for the first time, with your new vampire eyes 02:53 < YuviPanda> :D 02:53 < YuviPanda> I could see that happening already yeah 02:53 < dtm_> r u i n e d 02:53 < TeeTylerToe> then there's the cite help under >help on the top bar as well 02:53 < YuviPanda> dtm_: to be fair, I've done little bits of tech stuff on the desktop site before, so already that sortof happens 02:54 < YuviPanda> and it's a good idea to insert multiple references too I guess 02:54 < YuviPanda> for some thing at least 02:54 < dtm_> tommorris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_is_not_temporary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_notability_is_not 02:54 < dtm_> tommorris: wat. lol. 02:54 < TeeTylerToe> choose template would be a lot more helpful than just template 02:54 < dtm_> "Notability is not temporary" "Notability is not permanent" 02:55 < dtm_> that's cute. 02:55 < tommorris> dtm_: essays do not trump guidelines. ;) 02:56 < dtm_> :-o 02:56 < dtm_> "This is not to be confused with Notability is not temporary." what? *how*? 02:56 < dtm_> what does that even mean? 02:56 < tzatziki> ask whomever wrote it 02:57 < tzatziki> in this case, [[user:hiding]] 03:01 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01 < kondi> YuviPanda: almost done with that mess 03:03 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:04 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en [] 03:04 < YuviPanda> kondi: :D 03:04 < dtm_> tommorris: so basically what we're saying is that a BLP is notable for having several secondary RSes, unless it is about a crime or a one-time event? 03:05 < dtm_> tommorris: even if the result is an article that does not demonstrate that it'll ever grow? 03:05 < tommorris> dtm_: BLP1E is slightly broader than that. we've deleted articles before on "genius child mathematicians" who the press occassionally dig out. 03:05 < tommorris> articles don't have to grow 03:06 < dtm_> okay i wrote a BLP draft that i wasn't sure on, and i'd appreciate review. 03:06 < tommorris> if you come to Wikipedia and get a compact little article that tells you everything you need to know, and it is well-referenced, I'm satisfied 03:07 < dtm_> tommorris: even if it can never go beyond a very short C, huh? ok 03:07 < tommorris> I've written articles exactly like that 03:07 < dtm_> tommorris: when you say you're satisfied, do you mean that wikipedia's consensus on guidelines are satisfieD? 03:07 < TeeTylerToe> some articles on military vehicles can be like 200Kb and not have more than a sentence on the vehicle itself 03:08 < dtm_> TeeTylerToe: wut? how's that 03:08 -!- Zed`_ [~Zed@sh.savantnet.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:08 < tommorris> dtm_: if there's an article on an obscure novelist and there's only three reliable sources, and we write the best damn article you could on the basis of those reliable sources, it might only be 300 words long. that's okay. 03:08 < TeeTylerToe> Like the blackhawk article. There are 5+ different subarticles as well totalling probably closer to 1,000kb and it only had a single sentence on the helicopter itself 03:09 < TeeTylerToe> If you want to know what pacific island nations have blackhawks, and how many, it's the right article. If you want to know anything about the helicopter... 03:10 < dtm_> if someone would like to give feedback on this, i'd appreciate it. other than the couple of yet-unused extra references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/Dana_Beth_Ardi 03:11 < dtm_> regarding its notability 03:11 -!- jbroome_ [jbroome@freenode/staff/lopsa.member.jbroome] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:11 < dtm_> it's not completely clear what *exactly* she does, in a tangible sense, and i haven't found a source for that. but man she's got some press. 03:11 < dtm_> lol 03:11 < dtm_> whatever she does, she's good at doin it! at doin what she do. 03:11 < dtm_> THOUGHT LEADER. 03:12 < foks> so she's a bit like Kim Kardashian then 03:12 < dtm_> could be! less press. 03:13 < TeeTylerToe> are any of those links press? 03:13 < dtm_> i don't know if she's hawt. 03:13 < foks> Also I doubt Kim has a PhD, bless her 03:13 < dtm_> foks: looooool 03:13 -!- Zed` [~Zed@sh.savantnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:13 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:13 -!- jbroome [jbroome@freenode/staff/lopsa.member.jbroome] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13 -!- gry [~gry@freenode/staff/gry] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:13 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 -!- muahaha [uid10984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfvqkusvvplyadiy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:13 < tommorris> dtm_: I'm not seeing any sigificant coverage in reliable sources. she is mentioned in the footnotes, but those are mentions, not articles about her 03:13 < dtm_> foks: I don't know on that one either! 03:13 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:13 < foks> :P 03:13 < dtm_> tommorris: hm. 03:13 -!- Peter-C [Peter-C@wikimedia/Peter.C] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:14 -!- muahaha [uid10984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nifzcylmzsmjdrhu] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:14 < dtm_> tommorris: she's writing a book, so that'd be a primary source, and thus just add to the pile, huh? 03:14 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:15 < tommorris> no. GNG requires reliable secondary sources 03:15 -!- gry [~gry@freenode/staff/gry] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:15 < TeeTylerToe> also that she be hot 03:15 < dtm_> so, yes. the pile of not-"reliable secondary sources writing about her rather than just mentioniong her" 03:16 < dtm_> TeeTylerToe: i never even mentioned that. that's just assumed. we're not barbarians here. 03:16 < dtm_> this is cyberspace, where *anyone* could be hot. 03:16 < YuviPanda> dtm_: how is the syntax of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HashNuke/Exotel looking? 03:16 < dtm_> TeeTylerToe: *you*.... could be hot. and not even know it. 03:16 < dtm_> who's to say?! 03:16 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-51-232.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:16 < TeeTylerToe> but yea, no indication of any reputable press coverage 03:17 * tommorris points all of you fawning with open mouths at [[WP:HOTTIE]] 03:17 < dtm_> YuviPanda: "Rs. 1 Crore" this is some kind of alien lingo which you might expand 03:17 < dtm_> tommorris: what! is that a thing? 03:17 < TeeTylerToe> Rs is currency? 03:17 < YuviPanda> dtm_: hmm, so that's the way it is reported in 03:17 < YuviPanda> TeeTylerToe: yes, INR 03:17 < YuviPanda> should I convert to 'millions' and USD? 03:17 < YuviPanda> or is there a template? 03:18 < YuviPanda> crore would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crore 03:18 < tommorris> dtm_: read it. it's written with tongue firmly in cheek 03:18 < dtm_> YuviPanda: yeah there's a template. there's {{US$}} i think, and maybe others, but you should at least wikilink, explain, and convert it 03:18 < YuviPanda> dtm_: so, Rs. 1 Crore (<equivalent USD>)? 03:18 < dtm_> YuviPanda: coz especially in the english wiki, there's no expectation that a person knows what that means 03:18 < YuviPanda> without designation? 03:18 < dtm_> YuviPanda: yeah i guess 03:18 < YuviPanda> ok 03:18 < YuviPanda> doing it 03:19 < dtm_> and wikilink to [[crore]] i guess. i've never heard that word in my life. 03:19 < dtm_> and how did Shivakumar get to be known by one word? 03:19 < YuviPanda> that's his name 03:19 < dtm_> seriously? 03:19 < YuviPanda> a lot of us have just one name, y'know :) 03:19 < dtm_> what. 03:20 < YuviPanda> my dad's name is simply 'Thangamani' for example 03:20 < dtm_> also, what. 03:20 < YuviPanda> single names are common 03:20 < YuviPanda> (India) 03:20 < dtm_> wtf, over. 03:20 < YuviPanda> we have initials though 03:20 < YuviPanda> so he is 'Thangamani <initial>" 03:21 < dtm_> YuviPanda: you should add this to each <ref> --> accessdate=June 3, 2013 03:21 < YuviPanda> oh 03:21 < YuviPanda> ok 03:21 < YuviPanda> ah, okay 03:21 < dtm_> YuviPanda: but i just made an edit. 03:21 < dtm_> minorly. 03:21 < foks> I have an indian friend with lots of names, but he'll only answer to one of them 03:21 < dtm_> so, carry on. 03:21 < YuviPanda> dtm_: okay, so I'll wikilink 'Rs.' 03:21 < dtm_> foks: lolwut 03:21 < foks> and shorten the others to MC 03:21 < YuviPanda> oh yeah 03:22 < YuviPanda> see for example 03:22 < YuviPanda> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thisara_Perera 03:22 < dtm_> YuviPanda: i guess you need a period after "G" 03:22 < YuviPanda> this guy 03:22 < YuviPanda> he's only known as 'Thisara Perera' and most people ignore the rest of the names 03:22 < dtm_> YuviPanda: {{reflist | 2 }} 03:22 < dtm_> if you like 03:22 < YuviPanda> it's not long enough for that is it 03:23 < dtm_> YuviPanda: use {{Official website|http://exotel.in/}} 03:23 < YuviPanda> where? 03:23 < YuviPanda> external link? 03:23 < YuviPanda> or? 03:23 < dtm_> length is irrelevant; it'll go into two columns if you want 03:23 < dtm_> remove ==external link== 03:23 < dtm_> it's redundant 03:23 < dtm_> tommorris: amirite 03:23 < dtm_> tommorris: the {{official website}} in the infobox is redundant to ==External links==, right? 03:23 < dtm_> inherently? 03:24 < tommorris> No, include both 03:24 -!- jbroome_ is now known as jbroome 03:24 < dtm_> personally i dont think so. just asking about policy. 03:24 < dtm_> coz it's about readability 03:24 < dtm_> put it where it's expected and such 03:24 < tommorris> things aren't redundant to what's in the infobox. the infobox is just a place to put that stuff in an infoboxxy way ;) 03:24 < dtm_> YuviPanda: and i guess you're in business 03:24 < dtm_> tommorris: kthx 03:25 < YuviPanda> fixing the crore issue 03:25 < dtm_> tommorris: so you say Dana Beth Ardi is a no-go as it stands? 03:25 < dtm_> tommorris: given that article draft, how many secondary RSes would you want? 03:25 < tommorris> dtm_: "multiple". 2 or 3 is the minimum really 03:26 < dtm_> tommorris: this is a quasi-RS, right? http://www.refresher.com/addebrand.html 03:26 < dtm_> tommorris: that's one which i had referenced but not yet cited or synthesized. 03:26 < dtm_> they're talking about her. 03:26 < tommorris> dunno. that seems... worth discussing on RSN 03:26 < dtm_> and explaining her and such 03:26 < dtm_> only 2 or 3 huh? 03:26 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26 < dtm_> man that's kinda flimsy! 03:27 < dtm_> ^_^ 03:27 < dtm_> but hey we're generalizing planet earth here 03:27 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:27 < tommorris> 2 or 3 *good* sources are all one needs to write an article... :) 03:27 < YuviPanda> dtm_: so currency conversion, I dunno. Since value of $ fluctuates... 03:27 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28 < dtm_> YuviPanda: can you give an approximate range? 03:28 < dtm_> like 1-5 million dollars 03:28 < dtm_> just something that gives a non-nothingness of a clue 03:28 < YuviPanda> it was around 500, 000 USD when the deal was done 03:28 < dtm_> i mean a person shouldn't be expected to even know that that is *money*. 03:28 < YuviPanda> I wikilinked first mention of Rs and Crore 03:28 < dtm_> that's like wtf to the max 03:28 < YuviPanda> hehe 03:29 < dtm_> after having had a person with one freaking name 03:29 < YuviPanda> hehe 03:29 < dtm_> that's where you're thinkin "okay they're making ALL OF THIS UP." 03:29 < YuviPanda> so it was 500,000 USD 03:29 < YuviPanda> at that time 03:29 < YuviPanda> it is reported at http://techcircle.vccircle.com/2012/08/31/techcircle-saas-forum-2012-announces-top-10-saas-startups-in-india/ 03:29 < dtm_> ok 03:29 < YuviPanda> can that be considered a reference for it? 03:29 < YuviPanda> and shall I include the 500,000 USD number with that ref? 03:29 < dtm_> if that's what it says and it's correct yes 03:30 < dtm_> well done 03:30 < YuviPanda> it says 'Exotel secured Rs 2.5 crore ($0.5 million) from Mumbai Angels and Blume Ventures' 03:30 < YuviPanda> so 03:30 < YuviPanda> 0.5 million 03:30 < dtm_> tommorris: dude seriously i've been grilled to oblivion and back by peopole in this channel, over drafts that i've written which were twice as substantial as what YuviPanda is writing lol 03:31 < YuviPanda> oh, dtm_ i've the 500,000 USD line in a more reliable source 03:31 < YuviPanda> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-26/strategy/38039994_1_ishwar-sridharan-exotel-mumbai-angels 03:31 -!- Delong [~infamyFMW@cpc13-glen4-2-0-cust111.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:31 < YuviPanda> but it is already used in the article 03:31 < YuviPanda> should I just insert another ref? 03:31 < dtm_> my goal has always been to write unimpeachable articles, but still, i was held to a very high community standard 03:31 < YuviPanda> or is there a way I can refer to it again? 03:31 < dtm_> even at first publishing 03:31 -!- Delong [~infamyFMW@cpc13-glen4-2-0-cust111.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 03:31 < dtm_> YuviPanda: yes that's why you name them. then you say this --> <ref name="that one thing"/> 03:31 < dtm_> to reference them a second time 03:31 < YuviPanda> ah 03:32 < YuviPanda> got it 03:32 < dtm_> i mean to cite them a second time 03:32 < YuviPanda> doing 03:32 < dtm_> this is your abstraction between a reference and its inline citation 03:32 < dtm_> YuviPanda: so i guess according to tommorris, you can click the arrow at the top and use 'move' to move it to <Article> status. your wish has been granted; long live Jambi. 03:33 < dtm_> and then add Categories 03:33 < dtm_> and a Talk page 03:33 < dtm_> i mean. before you move it. 03:33 < dtm_> YuviPanda: see [[Mitch Markovich]] for an example of a Talk page setup 03:33 < YuviPanda> yessir 03:33 < kondi> YuviPanda: what article are you working on? 03:34 < dtm_> kthx 03:34 < YuviPanda> kondi: User:HashNuke/Exotel 03:36 < kondi> ah 03:36 < YuviPanda> dtm_: okay, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HashNuke/Exotel good enough? 03:36 -!- Douzy [~occultLHP@host-92-28-224-193.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:36 < YuviPanda> i'll probably need to add categories but 03:36 -!- Douzy [~occultLHP@host-92-28-224-193.as13285.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 03:36 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37 < kondi> YuviPanda: mind if I edit it? 03:37 < YuviPanda> go ahead! 03:38 < YuviPanda> kondi: but i'm going to move it to mainspace shortly 03:38 < kondi> YuviPanda: I need only 5 minutes 03:38 < YuviPanda> yessir! 03:39 < kondi> YuviPanda: Yuvar my sir :P 03:39 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:43 < kondi> YuviPanda: done, will edit after you move it 03:44 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:44 < YuviPanda> dtm_: kondi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotel 03:44 < YuviPanda> \o/ 03:44 < YuviPanda> thank you :) 03:45 < kondi> :D 03:46 < YuviPanda> dtm_: mitch markovich doesn't seem to exist? 03:47 < kondi> YuviPanda: are you entering references manually? 03:47 < YuviPanda> using the tool 03:47 < YuviPanda> on top 03:47 < YuviPanda> in the toolbar 03:48 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has quit [Quit: Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.] 03:48 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:49 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:50 < kondi> we can wikilink the publisher/newspaper name. Also in case of news type ref we should enter the date of publication. 03:51 < YuviPanda> kondi: ah, didn't know 03:51 < YuviPanda> will remember 03:51 < YuviPanda> this is the first time ever i've inserted a cite 03:51 < YuviPanda> so 03:51 < YuviPanda> \o/ 03:51 < kondi> \o/ 03:52 < kondi> I actually keep doing this in office 03:53 < YuviPanda> :D 03:53 < YuviPanda> can you fix the refs on this one? 03:55 < kondi> will do shortly :) 03:55 < kondi> I'm messing with css width issue 03:55 < kondi> right now 03:59 < YuviPanda> :) 04:00 < YuviPanda> thanks kondi 04:00 < YuviPanda> now i'm off to study 04:00 < YuviPanda> thanks kondi, dtm_ 04:00 -!- YuviPanda is now known as zz_YuviPanda 04:01 < PinkAmpersand> anyone have any guesses as to who http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Buffbills7701 is a sock of? 04:01 -!- basile is now known as guillom 04:02 -!- jps [d883646d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.131.100.109] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:03 * jps wonders whether it's okay to try to prevail in a content dispute by offering eternal life and interstellar travel http://cryonicsasia.com 04:04 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 04:06 < gry> content of what? 04:08 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:09 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has quit [Changing host] 04:09 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:09 -!- TOS2 [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:09 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:12 < jps> gry: I think there are about a half dozen content disputes in which I could probably prevail given time, but some of the opposition is conflicted 04:13 < jps> meaning, they are willing to spend money to convince people of non-truths 04:13 < gry> ah someone tries to add lie into wikipedia and you prove them false? is that called a content dispute? 04:13 < jps> however, I believe that there are still avenues of persuasion open to me 04:13 < jps> yes 04:13 < gry> joy, thought it'd be not very hard 04:14 < gry> I mean, hard to stop whoever tries to add the lie, but not too hard to establish them false 04:14 < jps> well, some corporate interests are very wealthy, and very skilled at making decided questions look undecided 04:14 < TeeTylerToe> You'd be surprised 04:15 < jps> the Koch brothers are trying to buy Tribune Newspapers, including the LA Times 04:15 -!- dekiss [~dekiss@77.28.7.13] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:15 < jps> sometimes I wonder whether hierarchy is the only thing keeping us from unblemished truth 04:15 < gry> do you work for wmf or do you do all that in your free time for free? 04:15 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|zZzZ 04:15 < gry> quite a bit, yeah 04:15 -!- Philon [~Philon@unaffiliated/philon] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:16 < jps> I volunteer like most wikipedians, but I support an eventual path to long term contributor compensation 04:16 < jps> even if I don't get there with you, I will still try to point the way to the Promised Land 04:18 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:18 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 04:18 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:20 < dekiss> jps can you take me with you ^^ 04:21 < dekiss> no seriously how to volunteer for wikipedia? 04:22 < jps> http://j.mp/wikistart 04:22 < dekiss> ty 04:25 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:29 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:30 < kondi> russavia: Hey 04:34 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@D97847F5.cm-3-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:35 < jps> what is up with UK? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22752201 + http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/02/we-pay-high-price-plutocrats + http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/02/britain-bankrolls-the-super-rich 04:35 < jps> why do people always blame the socialists for harming others when it's the anti-socialists who concentrate wealth? 04:36 < jps> it's just libertarians, right? 04:37 < jps> dekiss: I guess if you want to hitch a ride http://imgur.com/a/fd8Rp go ahead and found a non-Asia version of http://cryonicsasia.com 04:38 < jps> be excellent to each other 04:38 -!- jps [d883646d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.131.100.109] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:42 -!- Technical_13 [42baaae6@wikipedia/Technical-13] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:42 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 04:43 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:47 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:47 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@184-8-87-188.dsl1-pixley.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:47 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:48 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:51 -!- wctaiwan [8c7004c2@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:54 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:54 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:54 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:54 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:56 -!- Stryn [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Stryn] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:57 < Stryn> hi, whether on en-wiki a bot who is updating the featured and good article status for interwiki links? 05:00 < NotASpy> ah, the Guardian being, well, the Guardian. Out of touch and completely devoid of plot. They paid their CEO £642,000 in 2012 (and that's with 12% increase over 2011 too). Hypocritics, the whole lot of them. 05:02 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@2001:15c0:66a3:2:7e:aaaa:f4d7:b790] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:02 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@2001:15c0:66a3:2:7e:aaaa:f4d7:b790] has quit [Changing host] 05:02 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@unaffiliated/baddesign] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:02 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@unaffiliated/baddesign] has quit [Client Quit] 05:02 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@unaffiliated/baddesign] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:03 < wctaiwan> NotASpy: are hypocritics critics of hippos or...? :P 05:04 < NotASpy> as they generally wallow around in some sort of misery, quite possibly. 05:04 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 05:04 < russavia> wctaiwan -- did you see this one? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Argentina_Roundpants.jpg 05:04 < wctaiwan> yes, I was :('ing over your absence since I couldn't show it to you. 05:04 < wctaiwan> bloody hilarious. 05:05 < russavia> pissed myself badly with it 05:07 * kondi stabs russavia 05:07 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:07 < russavia> why kondi...whhyyyyyyy 05:08 -!- GorillaWarfare [6c14245e@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:09 < wctaiwan> good morning, GorillaWarfare 05:09 < GorillaWarfare> Morning, wctaiwan 05:09 < Qcoder00> Greetings humans 05:09 < GorillaWarfare> Hey Qcoder00 05:10 < wctaiwan> russavia: tis a shame the guy doesn't appear to be getting wings for it. Even if you're not fond of the abuse of "hue" (as someone who can't speak portuguese I was okay with it), it's still pretty dang good. 05:10 < kondi> hello people! 05:10 < wctaiwan> oh, I see you managed to get it CC-licensed :) 05:11 < russavia> all of his are -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=2013052410007094&fulltext=Search 05:12 < GorillaWarfare> What on earth? 05:12 -!- Technical_13 [42baaae6@wikipedia/Technical-13] has left #wikipedia-en [] 05:14 -!- ScottSteiner [ScottStein@wikipedia/ScottSteiner] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:15 * GorillaWarfare curls up on the floor of the chan 05:17 -!- Zed`_ [~Zed@sh.savantnet.com] has quit [Quit: Drama always seems worse than it is..] 05:17 -!- Zed` [~Zed@sh.savantnet.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:17 * petan eats GorillaWarfare 05:18 < GorillaWarfare> :< 05:18 -!- NotASpy is now known as ^NotASpy 05:18 -!- ^NotASpy is now known as NotASpy 05:19 < wctaiwan> GorillaWarfare: it's an internet meme that got russavia into a bit of on-wiki trouble. 05:19 < GorillaWarfare> Ah 05:19 < GorillaWarfare> I've never seen it before 05:20 < wctaiwan> basically comics portraying countries as balls and making fun of stereotypes. 05:20 < GorillaWarfare> Yeah 05:20 < Qcoder00> Scotball raves about "You can take out edit-right but you can ne'er tajke OUR FREEDOM!!" 05:21 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:21 < NotASpy> they're possibly the most retarded meme in the history of the internet. 05:21 < GorillaWarfare> Ehh 05:22 < GorillaWarfare> Dolan comics are up there 05:22 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:23 < wctaiwan> NotASpy: meh, I enjoy it. 05:23 < wctaiwan> the good ones are good, anyway, and the subreddit that hosts the ones I read tends to do a good job of steering clear of racism. 05:24 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:28 < Qcoder00> wctaiwan: Britball is going to have an almighty row with Scotball soon... 05:29 < wctaiwan> doubt it. 05:29 < russavia> http://i.imgur.com/DT716wj.png that's about the closest it comes to racism, etc -- and it's bloody funny 05:29 < Qcoder00> Referenda is some time in 2014 I think 05:30 < wctaiwan> did someone break http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Casenav ? 05:31 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 05:31 -!- Guerillero|TF2 [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:33 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:34 -!- Guerillero|TF2 [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has quit [Client Quit] 05:35 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 05:36 -!- Soapy [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:36 < wctaiwan> 'afternoon, Ironholds 05:37 < Ironholds> hey wctaiwan 05:41 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:41 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has quit [] 05:44 < Soapy> http://thedoghousediaries.com/5128 05:47 < wctaiwan> Soapy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JnkHYTWxCw 05:47 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 05:50 < Soapy> that song must have come from soemwhere else 05:50 < wctaiwan> yes 05:50 < wctaiwan> randy newman. 05:50 < wctaiwan> I think they did a good job with it though. 05:51 -!- kondi [~kondi@123.201.21.34] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:51 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_People 05:51 < Soapy> ah yes 05:51 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51 -!- Jnorton7558 [whocares@cpe-66-67-52-118.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51 -!- lbenedix1 [~lbenedix@g225036179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:54 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225045218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:01 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.83.14] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 -!- TOS [TOS@117.194.83.14] has quit [Changing host] 06:06 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- TOS2 [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:11 -!- YE is now known as YE|Exam 06:14 -!- Philon [~Philon@unaffiliated/philon] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:15 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:15 -!- Joules [~Julia@p99agas2a.dsl.sentex.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:18 -!- Joules [~Julia@p99agas2a.dsl.sentex.ca] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:19 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@e179165119.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:21 -!- lbenedix1 [~lbenedix@g225036179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:21 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:23 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:26 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:26 < Qcoder00> Where do I mention cultural references to one work, in another? 06:26 < Qcoder00> TV Tropes? 06:29 < GorillaWarfare> Qcoder00: In a Wikipedia article, you mean? 06:30 < Qcoder00> Well the BBC Radio verison of Pratchett's Night Watch has an obvious reference to Life on mars in it's second episode 06:31 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:31 < TOS> TV Tropes may be what you want, but I doubt it 06:32 < closedmouth> does IMDb do radio plays? eh, probably not 06:39 -!- wctaiwan [8c7004c2@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:42 < TOS> Does anyone know about the green and the blue bullets? They're probably new 06:43 < GorillaWarfare> TOS: Huh? 06:43 < GorillaWarfare> Oh 06:43 < GorillaWarfare> Hm 06:43 < GorillaWarfare> I see blue ones 06:44 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:44 < GorillaWarfare> TOS: Where do you see green? 06:45 < TOS> "Pages that have been changed since you last visited them are shown with a green bullet." 06:45 < GorillaWarfare> Hm 06:46 < GorillaWarfare> I see that too 06:46 < GorillaWarfare> But my watchlist doesn't have _any_ bullets, blue or green 06:50 < Soapy> i think you have to disable the enhancesd watchlist 06:50 < TOS> I see it to the left of the diff 06:50 < Soapy> and ts not what id call a "bullet', looks more lik e a ball 06:53 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philippine_Railways_MRT_North_Avenue_Station.jpeg - FOP not applicable - the building is generic 06:58 < TOS> So anyone knows about these bullets? I would want to personalise them 07:00 < Soapy> TOS: I think it's part of the watchlist 07:00 < Soapy> "last edited since last visit" is in green, others blue 07:00 < Soapy> it's a replacement for the bold/italic version 07:00 < dekiss> guys please give me some good reading material on science something mind blowing, thanks in advnace 07:01 -!- elkng_ [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:01 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:01 -!- elkng_ is now known as elkng 07:03 < TOS> Soapy Do you know where to find the discussion or the feedback page? 07:04 < Soapy> i dont know if there is a discussion 07:04 < Soapy> i think it's part of the site's CSS 07:04 -!- Stryn [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Stryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:04 < Soapy> there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Customizing_watchlists 07:04 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@94.11.196.157] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:04 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@94.11.196.157] has quit [Changing host] 07:04 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:04 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:05 < Soapy> which will help you get rid of it, but I dont know if you can just "tweak" it 07:05 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@2001:d98:b004:8:d4e3:94de:2572:fe1a] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:05 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@2001:d98:b004:8:d4e3:94de:2572:fe1a] has quit [Changing host] 07:05 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:05 < Soapy> i think its better to use the enhanced view anyway 07:05 < Soapy> but to each his own 07:06 < Soapy> but afaik there is no "Media:watchlist.css" or such that would give a discussion just about teh watchlist 07:08 < Qcoder00> dekiss: Try Quantam Phyiscs 07:09 < Qcoder00> If you aren't shocked you haven't understood it 07:09 < Qcoder00> ;) 07:09 < Soapy> oh the kisser is back 07:09 -!- gry [~gry@freenode/staff/gry] has left #wikipedia-en [] 07:13 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@D97847F5.cm-3-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16 < closedmouth> dekiss: http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Quantum%20mechanics.htm 07:16 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@90.219.224.233] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:16 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@90.219.224.233] has quit [Changing host] 07:16 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama just gave a speech on mental health, obama survivied unhurt 07:18 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:18 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 07:18 < Soapy> "Unable to get Congress to approve background checks, an assault weapons ban and other limits on firearms, the president has vowed to do what he can through executive action." 07:19 < Soapy> in other words hes just trying to revive the gun thing again 07:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm? 07:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he didnt mention guns 07:19 < Soapy> you said he gave a speech about mentally ill people 07:20 < Soapy> so i went to google news and that was the first result 07:20 < Soapy> basically hes trying to expand the definition of 'mentally ill' to get more people dependent on the government 07:21 < Soapy> the bill was defeated in Congress but he's not giving up 07:21 < Qcoder00> Erm.. 07:21 < Soapy> basically he's going to have 1/4 of America not only lose the right to defend themselves from crime but also be at a disadvantage when it comes to passing background checks to get a job 07:22 < Qcoder00> Some people will be very worried about a president tyring to push measures through over Congress 07:22 < Qcoder00> Excutive bypass is NOT liked by American voters 07:22 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if 93% of them support it, I doubt they will complain 07:22 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:23 < Soapy> its just like the health care bill 07:24 < Soapy> where they decided to basically raise prices for EVERYONE and then make people plead to the government for a voucher that will bring the price of health insurance back down to an affordable level 07:24 < Soapy> so that a lot of people who used to be able to afford to go to the hospital on their own, now have to hope the government will help them out 07:24 < Qcoder00> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22749745 07:25 < Qcoder00> Soapy: Universal premiums would be cheaper 07:25 < Qcoder00> and you can recover those through existing IRS mechanisms 07:25 < Soapy> “What, you cant afford to pay $3000 out of the $12000 you make each year just for insurance, plus the cost of the healthcare bills themselbes? well let’s see if you qualify for a subsidy, get in line” 07:27 < Qcoder00> In the UK, The tax rate is about 25%... +11% Govt Insurance premium 07:27 < Qcoder00> How does that compare with the US> 07:27 < Qcoder00> ? 07:27 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:27 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:27 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:27 -!- sdamashek|sleep is now known as sdamashek 07:28 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:29 < Qcoder00> As Manning's Trial has started, I wonder what Anonymous will be up to 07:29 < Qcoder00> I've not heard about anything major from them for a while 07:29 < Soapy> i dont know what you mean 07:29 < Soapy> In the UK, The tax rate is about 25%... +11% Govt Insurance premium <--- of what? 07:29 < Qcoder00> Gross Income 07:29 < Soapy> the patient pays 11% of the healthcare bill? 07:30 < Qcoder00> No 07:30 < Qcoder00> NHS is free 07:30 < Qcoder00> the 11% is a social insurance premium and pays for Welfare as well as the NHS 07:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Anonymous is busy DDoSing turkey 07:32 < Qcoder00> HAh 07:32 < Qcoder00> DDosing is par for the course... 07:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I DDoS your face 07:33 < Qcoder00> If Anoymous had strategic directions, they would start informing thew world about human rights abuse sunder the regime 07:33 < Qcoder00> I.E Defacements as opposed to straight DDoS 07:33 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats n ot much of a strategy 07:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> defacements require actual hacking 07:33 < Soapy> in America under Obama’s system you pay 10% of your income to get a crappy insurance where youre staffed by people who say things like “you realize this is catastrophic-only coverage, right? this is meant for people who have no health problems and dont actually need to go to the hospital ever” 07:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> annoymous prefers high profile DDoSes since the media cant tell the difference 07:33 < Qcoder00> True, but if you put an abuse image up , you can than get the site blocked officialy... 07:34 < Qcoder00> ;) 07:34 < Soapy> and then your bill ends up being almost as high as that for someone with no insurance, which is the point of why there has to be a fine for not buying insurance now 07:34 < Qcoder00> Because an 'abuse image' could be considered illegal content. 07:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont like defacements to be honest 07:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you victimise people using the service and effectively censor away information available on the website 07:34 < Soapy> real health insurance will cost somewhere around 30% of the income for the poor 07:35 < Qcoder00> At least in the US people do recover the cost of negligence realted accidents 07:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy in the US 98% of healthcare related costs end up in someones pockets 07:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not toctors not patients 07:35 < Qcoder00> In the UK, I've rarely heard of examples of the NHS recovring the costs of treating neglligence by industry 07:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> of course not 07:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its actually regulated 07:36 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:36 < Qcoder00> Technically the NHS could recover the cost of Road Traffic smashes from insurers... 07:36 < Qcoder00> but again i don't hear of them doing so on a regular basis 07:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama to run for office for queen of england 07:37 < Qcoder00> Silly... the UK doesn't have an elected head of state 07:38 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not yet, 07:38 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@unaffiliated/baddesign] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38 < Qcoder00> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22752998 - Can't wait to see the Conservpedia stance on that 07:38 < Qcoder00> Oral Sex can KILL YOU! 07:38 < Qcoder00> XD 07:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> use oritection during iral sex? 07:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mouth wash? 07:40 < tommorris> let's be clear: eating pussy, not sucking dick. important distinction. 07:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> animal rights! 07:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pussies have feelings too! 07:40 < GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: Dental dams 07:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh wait 07:41 < topaz> Saran Wrap is the common recommendation when dams aren't easily available 07:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> other type of pussies right? 07:41 < Son_Gohan> I can't wrap my head around the thought proccess of enjoying oral sex if you're the receiver... 07:41 < topaz> there isn't really anything new here, except for a very high profile person saying that's how it happened to him 07:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> would bill clintons speeches count as oral sex? 07:41 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:42 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just how much oral sex is enough to cause cancer? 07:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> was he marathoning? 07:43 < GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: It was because of HPV 07:45 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:45 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hyper pussy virus? 07:45 < petan> hygiene-lacking pussy virus 07:46 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as Pink|away 07:46 < topaz> are all of you guys really unfamiliar with HPV and how it's transmitted? 07:47 < petan> I think there is this "wikipedia" thing, which probably contains information about this :o 07:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cant understand without sex drawings :p 07:48 < petan> I am sure commons is full of sex drawings... 07:48 < petan> basically that is nearly all what commons is about... I think there are some real pictures as well :> 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> need hd video in space 07:51 < topaz> welcome to a world produced by abstinence-only education. 07:52 -!- AaronBale [~AaronBale@74-133-164-159.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52 -!- AaronBale [~AaronBale@74-133-164-159.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:53 < sdamashek> legoktm: you pinged me? 07:53 < TheDruId> Abstinence is still 100% effective. 07:53 < GorillaWarfare> topaz: ++ 07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId you mean super effective 07:55 -!- p858snake [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 07:56 < closedmouth> Son_Gohan: wait, what? 07:56 < closedmouth> are you serious? 07:58 < TOS> Why so serious? 07:58 -!- Reedy [~quassel@109.224.134.228] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:58 -!- Reedy [~quassel@109.224.134.228] has quit [Changing host] 07:58 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:58 < Soapy> closedmouth likes oral sex? wouldnth ave guessed, given the name 07:59 < closedmouth> o_o 07:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats how conservative oral sex happens 07:59 < Soapy> true 08:00 < tommorris> Soapy: to be fair, he may enjoy getting if not giving. 08:00 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 08:00 -!- Mariana34 [~gravesSDU@190.210.21.237] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:01 -!- Mariana34 [~gravesSDU@190.210.21.237] has quit [Client Quit] 08:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sharing is caring 08:05 < Qcoder00> Ewww 08:12 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:12 -!- Sarcasm [~sarcastic@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:15 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:19 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ruud_Koot.jpg - WHy is this protected? 08:19 < wctaiwan> Snowolf: quick PM? 08:20 < TheDruId> Anti- botvandalism. 08:20 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:21 < Soapy> well why *isnt* it on commons then? 08:21 < Soapy> just the author doesnt want it there? 08:24 < TheDruId> Unless it's going to be used outside of en.Wikipedia, why would it need to be on Commons? 08:25 < Soapy> ‘cause its free-use 08:25 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:25 < Soapy> technicaklly he cant prevent someone from using it anywhere else on the internet,. including commons 08:27 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:32 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 08:37 < Koi> closedmouth: I assume you're having fun o.o 08:40 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:41 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:43 -!- BadDesign [~quassel@unaffiliated/baddesign] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:48 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:58 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: wctaiwan] 09:02 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:02 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:04 -!- TBloemink is now known as TB|Away 09:09 -!- Barras is now known as Barras2 09:09 -!- Barras2 is now known as Barras 09:13 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 09:13 -!- Pink|away is now known as PinkAmpersand 09:17 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23 -!- Lnmow [~Miranda@unaffiliated/lnmow] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:25 -!- compiguy [011674c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.1.22.116.200] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:27 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 09:31 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 09:31 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@host86-134-59-34.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:33 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@host86-134-59-34.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:35 -!- David_Stevenson [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda 09:35 -!- Barras2 [barras2@wikimedia/barras] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:35 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:36 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:37 -!- Soapy [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 09:40 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:47 -!- ragesoss_ [~quassel@pool-74-98-210-132.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:48 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:49 -!- JohnChrysostom [uid7832@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pppcufyhpibpuowc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:49 -!- JohnChrysostom_ [uid7832@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjwalqtmmhyckyjs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:50 * TOS slaps mareklug around a bit with a large trout 09:50 < Bradford> ._. 09:50 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 09:50 < mareklug> TOS fuck you, Calcutta Girl Shopper. 09:51 < TOS> mareklug: Peace dude! There may be ladies around 09:52 < mareklug> TOS listen, Girl Merchant, you started with the fish 09:53 * TOS offers mareklug a cookie 09:54 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:55 < legoktm> sdamashek: yeah i was wondering if you had the list of all the edit summaries that classify as a revert somewhere that voxelbot uses 09:57 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:58 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 10:01 -!- Ocaasi__ [uid1167@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqcyanatuzemshhv] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:02 -!- Ocaasi__ [uid1167@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqcyanatuzemshhv] has quit [Changing host] 10:02 -!- Ocaasi__ [uid1167@wikipedia/Ocaasi] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:04 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 10:05 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 10:05 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06 -!- rr0|2 [~rr0@77.51.80.84] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:06 -!- Ocaasi__ is now known as Ocaasi 10:06 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:07 < sdamashek> legoktm: ooo, that I do 10:08 < sdamashek> legoktm: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~vacation9/VoxelBot/report.txt 10:08 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:08 < legoktm> er no 10:08 < legoktm> i want the words in the edit summaries that you're looking for 10:08 < legoktm> the regexes basically 10:08 < sdamashek> oh 10:09 < sdamashek> one sec... 10:10 < Ocaasi> Hey folks. I am working on a javascript gadget... I was at the hackathon in Berlin and was advised that timo (sp?) was a bit of a guru in this area. Anyone know his username? Cheers. 10:10 -!- rr0|2 [~rr0@77.51.80.84] has quit [Client Quit] 10:11 < Ocaasi> nm, found it! 10:11 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:12 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.161] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:12 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.161] has quit [Changing host] 10:12 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:13 < sdamashek> legoktm: https://github.com/Vacation9/Voxel-Bot/blob/master/includes.py#L8-9 10:13 < legoktm> woot thanks 10:14 -!- YuviPanda is now known as ScaredPanda 10:16 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Four seasons in South Korea, Summer, Fall, Winter, and Demonstration. 10:37 -!- Zidonuke [~Zidonuke@2607:5300:60:613::1] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:37 -!- Kingpin13 [~Kingpin13@Wikipedia/Kingpin13] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId tear down this wall mr. kim jong un? 10:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as in tear gas it down? 10:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am reading about protestors returning an AK 47 assult rifle to the police 10:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> quotedly the weapon was left in a cop car that was captured by the protestors 10:40 -!- DivT [~Umut@c83-251-213-231.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:40 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 -!- erry_ [erry@freenode/staff/erry] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:42 -!- erry [erry@freenode/staff/erry] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44 -!- erry_ is now known as erry 10:46 < Qcoder00> The protestors in Turkey returned weapons to the cops? 10:47 -!- Sir48 [~LTL@wikipedia/Sir48] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:47 -!- BadDesign [~quassel@unaffiliated/baddesign] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung 10:54 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@unaffiliated/jayflux] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:54 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:56 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:56 < TheDruId> I remember twice soldiers left them during exercises; one in a store in a town, one in a phone booth on base (when phone booths existed). 10:57 -!- Kingpin13 [~Kingpin13@Wikipedia/Kingpin13] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:57 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:57 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:57 -!- Jetro is now known as Nixit0 10:58 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:58 -!- Nixit0 is now known as Jerto 10:59 < dtm_> how do i get rid of this redirect? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/Frank_Arsenault 11:00 < TheDruId> dtm_, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion 11:00 < dtm_> TheDruId: kthx 11:01 < TheDruId> dtm_, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Redirects 11:01 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:01 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has left #wikipedia-en [] 11:02 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:06 -!- Jerto is now known as henry_ 11:07 -!- compiguy [011674c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.1.22.116.200] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:10 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:11 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:13 < dtm_> TheDruId: i dont even know how to actually access the redirect. i dont know how to derive the url of the page that it's at. 11:13 < dtm_> if i surf to the aforementioned url, it just redirects! 11:14 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 11:14 -!- ScaredPanda is now known as zz_ScaredPanda 11:15 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@D97847F5.cm-3-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:18 -!- josue [~canaima@186.94.9.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:20 -!- YE|Exam is now known as YE 11:21 < TheDruId> dtm_, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Smuckola/Frank_Arsenault&redirect=no for future reference, just click where it shows you were redirected from. 11:21 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:22 < mareklug> interesting fact: Debian's gzip on ppc corrupts absolutely (it is incompatible with guzip on the Mac OS X or on NetBSD) 11:22 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:22 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 11:22 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:22 < mareklug> thank heaven tar works as expected 11:23 < mareklug> dtm_ I think this calls for immediate upgrading to Debian 7, in case the fuckers fixed this godawful epic fail. 11:23 < dtm_> :-o 11:23 -!- henry_ is now known as Jerto 11:24 < mareklug> also, drag and drop across network does not work in Xfce on Debian -- says "this operation is unimplemented" lol 11:24 < dtm_> TheDruId: oh well duh! i seriously thought i'd done that. i thought that was the first thing i did. i guess i didn't click exactly. 11:24 < dtm_> TheDruId: thanx. 11:24 < dtm_> mareklug: noted. 11:24 < dtm_> mareklug: also, lol. 11:26 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 11:26 -!- Zenktastic [~Zenktasti@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:34 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:34 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:34 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:35 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@97e34655.skybroadband.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:35 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@97e34655.skybroadband.com] has quit [Changing host] 11:35 -!- JohnLewis_ [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:35 -!- Sven_Manguard [~Perhaps@wikipedia/Sven-Manguard] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:36 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:36 -!- JohnLewis_ is now known as JohnLewis 11:37 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:37 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000 11:40 -!- Zenktastic [~Zenktasti@dsl-72-10-219-115.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 11:41 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-0854.bb.online.no] has left #wikipedia-en [] 11:43 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:46 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:46 -!- KTC [~KTC@wikipedia/KTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:49 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:52 < nsh> WRONG. 11:53 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:53 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-101-84.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:53 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:55 < TheDruId> nsh? 11:55 < nsh> somebody probably said something wrong at some point before the lull in conversation 11:55 < nsh> i just didn't want to accidentally let it slide 11:56 < nsh> you'd be surprised how consistently wrong everyone is 11:56 < TheDruId> Like use of ALLCAPS as if they were cheaper? 11:57 -!- zebser [~iceboxXHZ@71-32-16-30.blng.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:57 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:57 -!- zebser [~iceboxXHZ@71-32-16-30.blng.qwest.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 11:58 < nsh> TheDruId, allcaps was cheaper, historically 11:58 -!- KTC [~KTC@wikipedia/KTC] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 11:58 < TheDruId> Now it just makes my text reader shout. 11:59 < nsh> only the great illusory opulence that ensued after the separation of the dollar from the gold standard at the break up of the Bretton Woods system allowed for the extravagance of lower-case in ASCII 11:59 < nsh> true story 11:59 < D_> SOUNDS LEGIT 11:59 < nsh> i have a large historical archive of early vietnam military communications 11:59 < nsh> it's all CAPS 12:00 < Qcoder00> nsh: Is it scanned ? 12:00 < Qcoder00> And is it declassified? 12:00 < D_> Come to think of it, Morse code is usually rendered in all caps 12:00 < D_> When translated to plaintext, that is 12:00 < nsh> Qcoder00, it's in my imagination, so whichever you prefer 12:01 -!- ragesoss_ [~quassel@pool-74-98-210-132.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:01 < TheDruId> There are military comunications which still transmit only in ALLCAPS; I had to do careful cut and pasting not insert it that way in to posts. 12:03 -!- Jerto is now known as Jetro 12:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.161] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.161] has quit [Changing host] 12:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:08 -!- Bjarki1 [~Thunderbi@157-157-85-44.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:10 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:10 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 12:10 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:10 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:11 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18 -!- Douzy [~occultLHP@host-92-28-224-193.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:18 -!- Douzy [~occultLHP@host-92-28-224-193.as13285.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:20 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:20 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:20 -!- varnent [~varnent@24-231-166-186.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:20 -!- varnent [~varnent@24-231-166-186.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:20 -!- varnent [~varnent@wikimedia/varnent] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:21 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:22 -!- BadDesign [~quassel@unaffiliated/baddesign] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId so the millitary is pretending to be early teens? 12:24 < TheDruId> No, but granted, that was awhile even before I retired. 12:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you retired? 12:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> O_o 12:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I retired after college! :p 12:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am watching people watch http://rt.com/on-air/turkey-protest-istanbul-park/ :p 12:26 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:27 < TheDruId> I retired several years ago. 12:28 -!- guillom is now known as basile 12:30 -!- GorillaWarfare [6c14245e@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:30 -!- Son_Gohan [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 12:36 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:36 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] 12:36 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId were you tired? 12:38 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:38 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, I still am. 12:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :o 12:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so you tired then re-tired 12:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am in awe of the stream 12:39 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: hellos. 12:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> these people dont give a damn about tear gas 12:40 -!- nonsenseferret [~nonsensef@wikipedia/nonsenseferret] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:41 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, Well, it's very annoying, but if you've been through it more than a couple of times, you kind of get used to the stupid parts of it. 12:43 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> me? I have never been gassed in my life 12:44 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it would be a one time experience for me 12:44 -!- D_ [~D@pool-108-29-81-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId you got gassed? 12:46 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, Annually in training, and often in public while near South Korean universities. Sometimes drifted into subway tunnels. 12:47 -!- D_ [~D@pool-108-29-81-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:47 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:47 -!- jorgeluis [~noise@wikimedia/Killiondude] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:47 < tommorris> remind me to not suddenly retrain as a cop. as boring as software sometimes can be, nobody has yet tried to tear gas e. 12:47 < tommorris> me 12:48 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:48 < TheDruId> tommorris, like I said, you get used to it. Like getting cut off in traffic, then it's over. 12:50 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris what if you develop AI for tear gas? 12:52 -!- bobrayner [4e978dc4@wikipedia/bobrayner] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId do they charge you for the service in south korea? 12:52 -!- nonsenseferret [~nonsensef@wikipedia/nonsenseferret] has quit [Quit: away] 12:52 * ToAruShiroiNeko imagines cops walking around with POS devices 12:52 < tommorris> ToAruShiroiNeko: I work in advertising. unless it can help us sell shit you don't need to people, probably not interested. 12:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing gets peoples attention more than tear gas 12:53 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, Never got charged for it, always cleared my sinuses better than anything else. 12:53 * ToAruShiroiNeko imagines tear gas based advertisement 12:53 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, Bullets got my attention a /lot/ faster. 12:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId so I should ask people to go to turkey if they have sinus problems? 12:54 -!- Demiurge1000 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Demiurge1000] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:54 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:54 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, If they want the hostility tour, sure. 12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no silly for the tear gas 12:54 -!- Bjarki1 [~Thunderbi@157-157-85-44.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:54 -!- Internet13 [chatzilla@cpc20-croy20-2-0-cust129.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a public service it seems 12:54 < bobrayner> turkey just has better media coverage. Some governments use lots more nasty stuff against citizens, without quite as much internet-outrage. ;-) 12:55 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm, its very hard to do that in a modern society 12:55 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> half of the populution probably would starve without internet-order food :p 12:56 < bobrayner> yes, if you're using a definition of "modern" which doesn't fit many current states. 12:56 < bobrayner> sorry. Mustn't talk politics. 12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm 12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> monotics? 12:57 < TheDruId> Politics, where everyone thinks everyone else is wrong. 12:57 < bobrayner> I'd love to go back to turkey. Oh, the food... the gözleme... 12:58 -!- addshore is now known as seashore 12:58 -!- Internet13 [chatzilla@cpc20-croy20-2-0-cust129.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:58 -!- seashore is now known as testusername12 12:58 -!- testusername12 is now known as addshore 12:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bobrayner there is a new flavor now 12:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gozleme, tear gas flavor :p 12:59 < bobrayner> hmm. 13:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it will make you so happy that you'll start crying 13:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tears of joy 13:01 -!- David_Stevenson [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:06 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:07 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as Pink|away 13:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moooe! 13:08 < jorgeluis> Hello. 13:09 -!- FunPika|Away [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:10 -!- FunPika|Away is now known as FunPika 13:10 -!- bobrayner [4e978dc4@wikipedia/bobrayner] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:11 -!- bobrayner [4e978dc4@wikipedia/bobrayner] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:13 -!- nas is now known as Apple`Jack 13:14 -!- Apple`Jack is now known as nas 13:17 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:20 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 13:21 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:21 -!- shimgray [~andrew@host86-170-175-106.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:21 -!- shimgray [~andrew@host86-170-175-106.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:21 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:24 -!- bobrayner [4e978dc4@wikipedia/bobrayner] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:26 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26 -!- Yetanotherx|afk [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 13:26 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.206.252.49.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:26 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.206.252.49.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Changing host] 13:26 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:27 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:27 -!- Sir48 [~LTL@wikipedia/Sir48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has quit [Quit: I must go, my planet needs me] 13:31 -!- Yetanotherx|afk [~Yetanothe@mcbouncer.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:31 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 13:31 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@mcbouncer.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:31 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:31 -!- jztech101_ [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:34 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34 -!- jorgeluis [~noise@wikimedia/Killiondude] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 13:35 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:36 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 13:37 -!- FunPika is now known as FunPika|Away 13:40 -!- Swob [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:40 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:42 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 13:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug lasers are used in protests: http://rt.com/on-air/turkey-protest-istanbul-park/ 13:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I keep telling you everything is better with lasers 13:50 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:51 < elkng> is there some script in perl or python that can be used to get information from wiktionary ? so instead of loading entire page http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/na_klar in webbrowser I could use command in console like: "wiktionary_script.pl 'na klar'" and it gets me definition of that phrase ? 13:51 < Swob> there's a bot that does that, so almost certainly yes 13:51 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko is pizza better with black olives or lasers? 13:52 < Swob> Kiefer got blocked again !! 13:52 < elkng> if I would use wiktionary too often I will be huge amount of traffic 13:52 < elkng> Swob: what bot ? 13:53 < Swob> Ive seen it in some channels, Im not sure if it has a name of its own 13:53 < Swob> I could ask the author though 13:53 < Swob> not in #wiktionary atm 13:53 < elkng> can you ask the author ? 13:54 < Swob> yeah 13:54 < Swob> are you user:Elkng on wikipedia? 13:56 < shimgray> elkng, can you use the API in some way? 13:58 < nsh> LASERS 13:58 < nsh> (to every question asked in the last 6 hours) 14:01 -!- elkng_ [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:01 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:01 -!- elkng_ is now known as elkng 14:02 < elkng> was reconnecting 14:02 < elkng> nsh: "LASERS", what ? 14:02 < elkng> Swob: no 14:03 -!- jztech101_ [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:04 -!- jeffreyio [~sbrcio@ip70-190-254-163.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:06 < nsh> elkng, lasers are the answer 14:07 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:07 -!- peleleoe [55111f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.17.31.120] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:07 < peleleoe> anyone know latin? 14:08 < elkng> are there wikipedia pages in latin ? 14:08 -!- Guerillero|TF2 [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:09 < peleleoe> elkng: there was one 14:09 -!- Guerillero|TF2 is now known as Guerillero 14:09 < peleleoe> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_prima 14:09 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has quit [Changing host] 14:09 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:09 < Bradford> Guerillero: :-* 14:09 < Guerillero> sup 14:10 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 14:11 -!- dkiss [~dekiss@77.29.143.34] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:11 -!- BadDesign [~quassel@unaffiliated/baddesign] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11 < Swob> hi dkiss 14:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug pizza is better with black olives but cut with precision lasers 14:11 -!- dekiss [~dekiss@77.28.7.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:11 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13 < elkng> women get their big boobs with the help of the lasers 14:13 < elkng> and their silicon lips also 14:13 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it actually looks like two disco lasers used on the police 14:14 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:14 -!- LaraLove [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jennavecia] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:14 < nsh> lasers are actually the most highly evolved organism in the earth's biosphere 14:14 < nsh> trufax 14:16 -!- peleleoe [55111f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.17.31.120] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:17 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:19 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:21 < Peter-C> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=421161261324181 14:23 * Sky2042 laughs at ow's cloak. 14:23 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 14:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C do you guys carry tear gas? 14:24 < Peter-C> Um 14:24 < Peter-C> the PD does 14:24 < Peter-C> they also carry UMPs and AR-15s 14:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean EMTs 14:24 < Peter-C> Neg 14:24 < Peter-C> I have PD on EVERY call though 14:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ar 15s? lame 14:25 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 14:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tear gas should be casually used if the video feed is to be believed 14:25 * ToAruShiroiNeko tosses one into neighbours soup 14:25 < Peter-C> NJ makes it hard to buy a proper rifle, even for cops 14:25 < Peter-C> HK416 <3 14:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> real cops use A-10s 14:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> enforce public littering with A-10s 14:27 -!- Brit [~rcsprinte@host86-151-169-185.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:28 -!- Brit [~rcsprinte@host86-151-169-185.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:28 -!- Brit [~rcsprinte@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:28 < Peter-C> Mhm 14:28 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:28 < Peter-C> "Speeds monitored by aircraft" 14:28 -!- Seahorse_ [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:28 -!- Seahorse_ is now known as Seahorse 14:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nah thats by appaches 14:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4064/4656664549_37d3d8cac9_z.jpg 14:31 < Peter-C> mhm 14:31 -!- Brit is now known as Rcsprinter 14:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> orr... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2C_N4Hru3Po/RaPxpB1lDyI/AAAAAAAAAFY/6z7vuz7gKeA/s320/SpeedEnforcement2.jpg 14:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> something tells me the second case wont end well 14:31 * Sky2042 laughs at ToAruShiroiNeko's first demotivational. 14:34 < Swob> i love that image 14:36 -!- Cyberpower678 [~Cyberpowe@wikipedia/Cyberpower678] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:36 < Cyberpower678> Hi all. 14:37 < Cyberpower678> Has anybody wondered what happened to X!'s edit counter? 14:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it got old? 14:38 < Cyberpower678> ToAruShiroiNeko, no. 14:38 < Cyberpower678> It migrated to labs. 14:38 < Cyberpower678> Super fast. 14:39 < Cyberpower678> Assuming labs is TSing like it is now. :/ 14:39 < kondi> Cyberpower678: link? 14:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TimStarling is not a verb :p 14:39 < Cyberpower678> ToAruShiroiNeko, toolserver. :p 14:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hehe 14:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont count edits 14:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its uncountable! :p 14:40 < Cyberpower678> kondi, http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pcount 14:40 < kondi> Thanks Cyberpower678 14:40 < Cyberpower678> Right now labs is having a toolserver moment. 14:40 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 14:40 < Cyberpower678> So it's inaccessible. 14:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tsm of the month? 14:41 < Cyberpower678> tsm? 14:41 < Prodego> now that it is on the toolserver 14:42 < Prodego> does that mean the rediculous german opt in thing is no more? 14:42 < Prodego> ridiculous* 14:42 < Prodego> I can not spell ridiculous 14:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> is the server still owned by wikimedia de? 14:42 < Cyberpower678> ??? 14:42 -!- dkiss is now known as dekiss 14:42 < Cyberpower678> Prodego, what? 14:43 < Cyberpower678> ToAruShiroiNeko, yes. Toolserver is getting decommissioned. 14:43 < Prodego> Cyberpower678: you have to opt in to have X!'s edit counter give you detailed results 14:43 < Cyberpower678> Prodego, yes? 14:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Isarra dearie :) 14:43 < Prodego> Cyberpower678: this is because of some german law 14:43 < Cyberpower678> ^^ 14:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> german privacy law 14:43 < Prodego> if the tool is no longer on a wikimedia de server 14:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> then fuck german privacy laws 14:43 < Prodego> then that opt in no longer has to exist, which would be very nice 14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Prodego ya 14:44 < Cyberpower678> There's no problem with having an optin. 14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its on the wikimedia cluster? 14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> where does it geo locates? 14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Cyberpower678 I do have a problem 14:44 < Prodego> Cyberpower678: sure there is, that means I can't get detailed results for the editors I'm looking up 14:44 < shimgray> um. while it may be required by German law, it's also a good idea 14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it means we need consent of sockpuppets to analyse their edits 14:44 < Prodego> shimgray: no, it really isn't. 14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shimgray it REALLY isnt 14:45 < Prodego> All the information is already public 14:45 < Cyberpower678> Prodego, what if that editor doesn't want you to see detailed results? 14:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> public data by very definition is public 14:45 < Cyberpower678> The opt-in isn't going to be removed. 14:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Cyberpower678 then he or she shouldnt make edits 14:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can see their history 14:45 < Prodego> so originially there was no opt in 14:45 < shimgray> yes, yes it is. and "all this information is public therefore mashing it all up and coming to conclusions is entirely unproblematic" is a very popular fallacy 14:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shimgray the act of opt in takes too much effort 14:46 < Prodego> shimgray: if it is public information I should be able to do whatever I want with it 14:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> now you could have an opt out if you like 14:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Prodego almost anything, 14:46 < shimgray> Prodego, you want to analyse that privately with public info? be my guest. but there are plenty of people who don't like it being done with graphs on a public server 14:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its still illegal to tattoo that information on a baby\ 14:46 < Prodego> shimgray: sure, but that it their problem 14:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I concur with Prodego 14:46 < Prodego> ToAruShiroiNeko: some day that injustice will be righted 14:46 * ToAruShiroiNeko tattoos a baby on Prodego 14:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> an actual baby not a drawing 14:47 < GorillaWarfare> 7/win 14 14:47 < GorillaWarfare> -.- 14:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> o hai GorillaWarfare 14:47 < shimgray> this is not a productive argument to have, as we clearly have very different philosophical attitudes. 14:47 -!- DivT [~Umut@c83-251-213-231.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shimgray sure 14:47 < Prodego> as it is I just use wikichecker 14:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> at least I am not tossing tear gas 14:47 -!- Guerillero is now known as Guerillero|TF2 14:48 < Isarra> ToAruShiroiNeko: Sorry, I be useless. 14:48 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 14:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Isarra why :( 14:48 < GorillaWarfare> Hello 14:48 -!- Guerillero|TF2 is now known as Guerillero|Away 14:48 * ToAruShiroiNeko hands Isarra a flower 14:49 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@182.sub-174-255-208.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:49 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@182.sub-174-255-208.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:49 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:49 < Cyberpower678> I will launch an RfC to decide. 14:49 < Cyberpower678> But I have no plans to remove it now. 14:49 < Isarra> ToAruShiroiNeko: Because. o__o 14:50 * ToAruShiroiNeko hands Isarra another flower 14:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I was going to ask you to svgify a logo but ok :( 14:50 * ToAruShiroiNeko whines 14:53 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:56 -!- foks [~sup@host86-149-49-43.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:56 -!- foks [~sup@host86-149-49-43.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:56 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:56 -!- Bjarki [~Thunderbi@wikipedia/Bjarki-S] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:57 < Prodego> shimgray: the whole american (and probably canadian and such too) thing is that if you freely give something to someone, then unless you both agreed to some restriction, they should be able to do what they want with it, it is theirs 14:57 < Prodego> shimgray: there is a very different attitude toward that in parts of europe, which I've always found hard to understand 14:57 < Swob> anyone know how to get city boundaries to appear on Google Maps? 14:57 < Swob> Ive seen it before but I didnt do anything to make ith appen, they just appeared 14:57 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:58 -!- Fluff|sleep is now known as Fluffernutter 14:58 < Isarra> Sorry. >.< 14:58 -!- CP678 [~Cyberpowe@c-68-81-128-185.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:58 -!- CP678 [~Cyberpowe@c-68-81-128-185.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:58 -!- CP678 [~Cyberpowe@wikipedia/Cyberpower678] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:59 -!- CP678 [~Cyberpowe@wikipedia/Cyberpower678] has left #wikipedia-en [] 14:59 -!- Cyberpower678 [~Cyberpowe@wikipedia/Cyberpower678] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:00 -!- Firefly67 [~Firefly67@unaffiliated/firefly67] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:00 < Swob> apptly you have to search for a city 15:00 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:00 < Swob> theres no way to get it to show all city bondaries 15:02 < shimgray> Prodego, yeah, but there's a difference between "I give you all this stuff" and "you have collected all this stuff I did not protect" 15:02 -!- bobrayner [4e978dc4@wikipedia/bobrayner] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:02 < shimgray> also, people's basic understanding of privacy is still very pre-digital. we are used to concepts of public information and private information. the sheer volume of what you can infer from the former is not something we're used to yet 15:03 -!- SuicidalZerg [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:03 < shimgray> so, things that are completely public (eg edit activity) often get people very spooked when analysed in detail - because the inferred information is not something they conceptualised as public 15:04 < shimgray> fwiw, I had no idea until this point that ts had put that in for any legal reasons (although I can certainly believe it is required) - I'd assumed it was there because of that very reaction 15:04 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04 < Prodego> shimgray: the originial tools did not have that restriction, and it was added because of it. 15:05 < shimgray> yeah, I remember it not being there in the distant past 15:05 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:05 < Prodego> So you would respect to the intention of the editors to not reveal particular information 15:05 < Swob> we're still talking about the edit counter, right? 15:05 < Prodego> though in practice their aggregate small disclosures may have revealed it 15:07 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko oh, look, more Belgian cuisine (to use that term loosly) makes it to USA: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-06-03/news-summary-dunkin-rolls-out-doughnut-sandwich 15:07 < shimgray> I would say that us analysing and displaying this sort of information on our users without their consent feels a bit skeevy to me 15:07 < shimgray> their consent = opt-in, and we're great 15:08 < shimgray> sure, the data is public, you can roll the analysis yourself if you want 15:08 < shimgray> but publishing it is a bit different 15:08 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:08 < Swob> we did it for years 15:09 < Firefly67> shimgray, Prodego: Just came in at the right time to listen in on your conversation. I agree that "the inferred information is not something they conceptualised as public" and hence they freak out. 15:10 < shimgray> this isn't just ts, & indeed not even a WP thing 15:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> opt-ins are disruptive 15:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 1 confirmed fatality at hatay provice due to the protests 15:11 < shimgray> we're having to reassess a lot of how we construe privacy; aggregating small details can be unexpectedly powerful and we just don't know how to handle that. 15:11 < Prodego> I think that most of the american editors, myself included, think that it is too much of an infringement on the rights of those who rightfully have access to this data to restrict their ability to analyze it for that reason 15:12 < Prodego> given that all the data was released willingly 15:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing prevents us to create a breakaway site 15:12 -!- egallager [18da2e94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.218.46.148] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:12 < Prodego> ToAruShiroiNeko: sure, but now we are debating philosophically, not arguing legally 15:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this was imposed on us by some german judge because one guy didnt want their employer to monitor their wikipedia activity 15:13 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|away 15:14 < shimgray> Prodego, ah, but then you get into thorny issues around "rightfully have access to this data". you don't have a positive right to access it, you can't take someone to court for not giving it to you, no? 15:15 < IDoH> I would've said hi earlier, but there was someone in en-help who needed...help. 15:15 < shimgray> & released willingly... well, I dunno about you, but I edited Wikipedia. I didn't tick a box saying "please triangulate my commute times". ;-) 15:15 < Prodego> shimgray: more formally I could say have 'freely been given access to the data by its owner' 15:15 < shimgray> I know these are edge cases, but you're packing a lot of implication into being given access to the data 15:15 < shimgray> it's not given, it's just sort of hanging there 15:15 -!- egallager [18da2e94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.218.46.148] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:16 < Prodego> shimgray: no one reads the TOS anyway, so even if it did say that 15:16 < shimgray> in many ways, your "freely given" statement implies consent - but we're discussing how to give or withold consent, so that doesn't mesh 15:17 < Prodego> shimgray: I believe by making an edit you do consent to your content being released, and the time and date that you made the edit you don't even own anyway, that information comes from the WMF 15:17 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:18 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:19 < Prodego> Do you have any rights over the information "User:x made an edit at this time" 15:19 < shimgray> but does it? if it did, we wouldn't need the opt-in; WMF could give consent on their behalf 15:19 < shimgray> again, this gets into conceptual theories of data privacy and data ownership where the US takes a different legal tack to many other places 15:19 < Prodego> shimgray: well the opt in may be due to an abundance of caution in this particular case 15:19 < Ironholds> shimgray: your third clause is generalisable 15:20 < shimgray> but I will say this: our community has shown, many times, that it is strongly and emphatically protective of its own privacy. I think were we to cast this open to a wider consultation, opt-in for this sort of community monitoring tool would be supported 15:21 < shimgray> (presenting it as the status quo ante may skew that, of course!) 15:21 < TOS> Prodego Nobody reads me? 15:21 * TOS is hurt 15:21 < shimgray> tos;dr 15:21 < Prodego> TOS: no, you should just delete all your edits 15:21 * TOS goes ans cries in a corner 15:21 < Prodego> shimgray: I'm not sure 15:22 < Prodego> a vote on such things will probably never happen, and somewhat importantly doesn't need to since such tools do exist completely independantly of the WMF 15:22 < Prodego> independently*, mmm 15:23 < shimgray> Prodego, I should stress I'm not saying such tools shouldn't exist or that people should be able to hide the data - we can go down very futile rabbit holes that way, and public data is public 15:23 < shimgray> it's us publishing (or endorsing the publication) of the automated analysis that I'm uncomfortable with. technically it's the same thing, but there's big conceptual differences. 15:24 < shimgray> we're not in the business of profiling or reporting on our users beyond that needed to technically operate the site (ie datestamped logs and contribs) 15:24 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shimgray I disagree 15:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we had chronic harassers and lobyist activity before 15:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we should profile users to see how similar they are to other users 15:26 < Prodego> shimgray: what about the various user experience surveys that are done? Or is that not a problem due to the less specific nature of it? 15:26 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: We do to some extent. 15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this should be conducted before a checkuser which is a true invasion of privacy if done incorrectly 15:26 -!- bobrayner [4e978dc4@wikipedia/bobrayner] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH by human editors 15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> humans in text mining are about 60% accurate 15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> computers 90-98% 15:26 < shimgray> ToAruShiroiNeko, congratulations. you are doing an *amazing* job of recapitulaing current UK political debate, keep going :-) 15:26 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Oh, you want to do it by bots, okay. 15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH ya :) 15:27 < JustBerry> TOS: Don't cry :/ 15:27 < IDoH> Cool 15:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> computers for the win! 15:27 < JustBerry> :o 15:27 < D_> I, for one, welcome our computerized machine learning precrime wikioverlords 15:27 < IDoH> Yeah, let's do it by bot. 15:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ \o/ 15:27 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:27 < shimgray> Prodego, surveys are definitionally opt-in, surely? but yeah, aggregated data *across* individuals is a lot better than aggregating data on individuals 15:27 < Prodego> shimgray: yes, they would be opt in 15:27 < TOS> Ok, JustBerry 15:28 < JustBerry> TOS: :) 15:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shimgray I'd like to see tools that take an article name as input and spit out similar users 15:28 < Prodego> shimgray: so is editing though, and could perhaps your survey responses over time reveal more information than you intended? 15:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> users that edit near identical topics 15:29 < shimgray> Prodego, hrm. I think yes, they could, but it's almost a big/small data divide. if you aggregated every survey I've ever taken, you could probably deduce something. but I don't take many surveys - I doubt you do, either 15:29 < shimgray> but I've made fifty thousand edits. 15:29 < Prodego> shimgray: far too lazy for that 15:29 -!- zebser [~iceboxXHZ@71-32-16-30.blng.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:29 -!- zebser [~iceboxXHZ@71-32-16-30.blng.qwest.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:30 < TOS> Is TOS a reallly common acronym? I've not heard it outside this IRC, JustBerry 15:30 < JustBerry> TOS: Yes... why? 15:30 < Swob> Terms of Service 15:31 < JustBerry> TOS: ^ 15:31 < TOS> Oh. Must be a regional thing. I know its Terms of Service, but I havent seen it used outside here 15:31 < shimgray> TOS, you've seen http://tosdr.org/ right? 15:31 < shimgray> Prodego, interestingly, laziness gets at the heart of a lot of this :-) 15:31 < TOS> No 15:32 < JustBerry> TOS: Where are you from? 15:32 < TOS> India 15:32 < JustBerry> TOS: Ah. Keh seh hoh? 15:32 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:32 < shimgray> back in the Good Old Days(tm), you could find a hell of a lot of information on people in public records. you had to work at it, lots of phone calls and queuing, but it was all there 15:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shimgray you have no idea how much info is available today 15:33 < Prodego> shimgray: security though large amounts of effort isn't a good method 15:33 < shimgray> the net result was a sort of "privacy of friction". you got privacy simply because to do otherwise was a real hassle. 15:33 < TOS> JustBerry: Its Kaha se ho. But it would do :) Kolkata, actually 15:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people willingly post so much on facebook 15:33 < shimgray> oh, it's a terrible method 15:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> twitter can be datamined for commercial benefit 15:33 < shimgray> but it's the one we built our systems assuming was the default :-) 15:33 < JustBerry> TOS: Ah, I don't quite speak that :P 15:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I datamine you 15:33 < nsh> privacy of friction is also what you don't get having sex in a cheap motel 15:33 < nsh> The More You Know... 15:34 < shimgray> now, same data, same "public" state, waaaaay more available. 15:34 < shimgray> bingo, we can find out a lot more. nothing is public that wasn't before, but we have a lot less privacy 15:34 < shimgray> and, as before, we just don't know what to do about it. 15:34 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:35 < Prodego> shimgray: tosdr seems to be quite bad when it comes to describing Wikipedia 15:35 < TOS> JustBerry I figured 15:35 < JustBerry> TOS: :) 15:35 < Prodego> shimgray: given that they don't mention at all that your IP address will be publically stored and recorded as making your edits 15:35 < shimgray> Prodego, yeah, we tend to score weirdly on that sort of service. it's never clear if we're talking about users or readers. 15:35 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Client Quit] 15:35 < Isarra> ToAruShiroiNeko: If you still need shinies done in a week or two, poke me then. I should be less useless then I hope. 15:35 < JustBerry> TOS: Care to take a guess? 15:36 < Prodego> shimgray: it looks like everything they say about amazon applies to us too 15:36 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:36 < TOS> JustBerry What? 15:36 < Prodego> even 'tracks you on other websites' 15:36 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Client Quit] 15:36 < shimgray> ... 15:36 < JustBerry> TOS: Never mind. 15:36 < shimgray> how? we hardly track readers ourselves. 15:37 < D_> tosdr seems one of those websites that uses js for things that shouldn't need js 15:37 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@D97847F5.cm-3-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 15:37 < Prodego> shimgray: all the WMF sites share some amount of tracking data 15:37 * TOS gets back 15:37 < D_> Define "some amount" 15:38 < Prodego> "all of" 15:38 < shimgray> I think you could reasonably argue that "other sites" means third-party sites rather than their own subdomains 15:38 < Prodego> potentially 15:39 < D_> Also, in some bout of irony, tosdr.org is asking me store data locally 15:40 < Prodego> how about "You cannot delete your account" 15:40 < Prodego> that definitely applies to Wikipedia :) 15:41 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@unaffiliated/jayflux] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 15:41 < JustBerry> :o 15:42 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:42 -!- Warlord [~Warlord@unaffiliated/warlord] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:44 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:44 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@66.59.113.130] has quit [Changing host] 15:44 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:50 -!- SuicidalZerg [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@71-89-35-37.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:51 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@71-89-35-37.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:52 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:52 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@unaffiliated/mynx-nith] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:53 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:53 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54 -!- JustBerry is now known as JustBerry|away 15:56 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-120-145-3-243.lnse2.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-120-145-3-243.lnse2.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 15:56 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:59 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:59 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:59 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:06 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has quit [Quit: slaporte] 16:09 < koishi> oh boy, yet another way to report people 16:09 < koishi> not that any of it matters because thibbs is angel-status 16:09 < koishi> can't touch that 16:09 < IDoH> koishi: What way is that? 16:09 -!- Jnorton7558 [~whocares@cpe-66-67-52-118.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:10 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@216.38.130.164] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:10 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@216.38.130.164] has quit [Changing host] 16:10 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:10 < koishi> all i can do is run around in circles like he wants me to 16:10 < koishi> idoh: rfc/u 16:10 < IDoH> Ah, I see. 16:11 < IDoH> That isn't "new". 16:11 < IDoH> But you are undergoing a rfc/u now? 16:12 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12 < TeeTylerToe> surprising what a mob can do 16:12 < koishi> i am not, unless someone took me there and never told me 16:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> rfc/u2 16:13 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 < koishi> it's too much for too little. no one's going to actually read what he's been saying and realize that he's literally ignoring stuff. they're just going to go "oh thibbs he's a nice guy helped me with <this>" and then throw me away 16:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> angels can be corrupted too according to diablo 3 16:14 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:14 < koishi> i'm honestly surprised i've even come as far as i have 16:14 < Swob> i like THibbs 16:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and I read my theology from blizzard games! 16:14 < koishi> diablo 3 is corrupting too 16:14 < koishi> so idk 16:14 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14 < Swob> youre saying Thibbs has done something wrong and refuses to admit it ? 16:14 < koishi> man not even five minutes ago i caught yet another guy trying to slip that stupid translation into kaze tachinu 16:14 < koishi> even ''''''d it 16:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug belgian cousine has always been in the US 16:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fries! 16:16 < IDoH> Yummy. Fries. 16:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH fires with fries 16:17 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 16:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> salmon with fries 16:17 < koishi> swob: he's done something wrong, he's ruining a discussion, he's ruining standards for at least 3 different fields (graphic design history (yes, even though this isn't really about logos or whatever), '80s technology and computing, probably even general history of video games) 16:17 < koishi> some baaaad things come in 3s, apparently 16:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even turd with fries 16:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> one of those may be a lie :p 16:17 < IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Boca burgers with fries. 16:17 -!- Rcsprinter [~rcsprinte@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has quit [Quit: ???? ???? ????? ???????] 16:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> turkish flavor is tear gas with fries 16:18 < TeeTylerToe> you'd be amazed how some people try to translate "employed technologies developed for widget X including widget Y". 16:19 < koishi> when you start championing reliable sources to the point where you start ignoring obviously more reliable ones because they don't "fit" with you, you either work for one of those less reliable sources and are hoping for google searches or you're just plain being a clown. 16:19 -!- JustBerry|away [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19 < koishi> i hope to /god/ he's the former. 16:19 < koishi> because i'm religious, apparently 16:19 < TeeTylerToe> Some people are just blinded by simple bias. Some groups of people. 16:19 < koishi> and because destructive people really are that destructive 16:20 < koishi> hm 16:20 < TeeTylerToe> It becomes religious, or political 16:20 < koishi> we should probably move the ps3 article to "PS3"; i mean that's what everyone uses right?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 16:20 < TeeTylerToe> the xbox is better, the playstation is better, windows is better, mac is better, linux is better 16:20 < koishi> honestly that's probably valid 16:20 < koishi> i really need to look 16:20 < koishi> but it seems too horrifying 16:21 < TeeTylerToe> A mob from say the rail project who have some religious conviction about the magical properties of steam engines will sink into an article trying to make it say that steam is the best and only form of locomotion 16:21 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: so are you doing any updates on any wikipedia articles about Turkey, due to all your research and interest? 16:22 < dtm_> TeeTylerToe: are those steam fanatics back again?!?! 16:22 < dtm_> koishi: don't think it! 16:22 < TeeTylerToe> Steam fanatics are actually a thing? 16:23 < koishi> teetylertoe: the problem is that this is just naming. naming! that's all. but this guy worships "reliable sources" so much that apparently names can only come from people who have zero connection to them. 16:23 < koishi> so kotaku could make up whatever name they wanted for the ps3, and if other reliable sources decided to use that too... 16:23 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 16:23 < koishi> that's what he's saying! i'm serious. 16:23 -!- JustBerry|away [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:25 -!- JustBerry|away is now known as JustBerry 16:26 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 16:27 < TeeTylerToe> Isn't the official name Playstation 3? 16:27 < koishi> "PlayStation 3", but yeah 16:27 < koishi> CamelCaseIsCool 16:27 < koishi> err 16:27 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:28 < koishi> teetylertoe: easier: remember how the wii was called the revolution in development? like how the gamecube was called dolphin. 16:28 < koishi> what if all these sources kept using revolution or dolphin because they hated the regular names or whatever? 16:28 -!- D1000|Away [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Demiurge1000] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:28 < koishi> that's the kind of ridiculous nonsense thibbs is making me think about 16:29 < koishi> it's scary that he is making me have /less/ respect for kotaku and the like, simply because /they can do things like that get away with it/ 16:29 < koishi> (because hey, i'm not usually a kotaku or ign hater like all these cool kids) 16:31 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:31 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 16:31 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:31 < koishi> but i think what bothers me most of all is that maybe all these big names simply didn't know better, because they were talking about some old '80s almost-japanese-only tv that's probably not even going to be a neat curiosity to most people, never mind the thing's fame 16:32 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Quit: Getting abducted by aliens] 16:32 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@e179165119.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32 < CrackyWacky> question for those who have a smart phone with a data plan 16:32 < koishi> either way this is all very painful and apparently i'm the only one who has to deal with it 16:32 < JustBerry> Yes, Cracky? 16:33 < CrackyWacky> Did you ever go overboard with your data plan? 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> koishi, how about a dolphin revolution? 16:39 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42 -!- Guerillero|Away is now known as Guerillero|TF2 16:42 < Swob> ive never even come close to exceeding my data plan 16:42 -!- Guerillero|TF2 is now known as Guerillero 16:42 < Swob> i get like 2 GB/month, I use about 5% of that 16:42 < Swob> wi0fi is everywhere 16:43 < CrackyWacky> I'm just comparing the CRTC's new rules for mobiles 16:43 < Swob> canada? 16:43 < CrackyWacky> yes 16:43 < CrackyWacky> equivalent of FCC 16:44 < CrackyWacky> ie new rules on contract termination, unlocking, data fees 16:44 < Swob> Canada's one of the worst countries for cellphones 16:44 -!- Cauthon [~chatzilla@cpe-24-93-133-189.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:44 < Swob> Seems like it's getting better though 16:44 < Swob> Canada's the only place I've heard of that has "long distance calls" even on cellphones 16:45 < CrackyWacky> well, on dec 2, users who have a contract at least 2 years with their provider can terminate it without paying any additonal fees 16:45 < CrackyWacky> ie a ban on contract break fees 16:45 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-51-232.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:46 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:46 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:47 -!- addshore is now known as addsleep 16:47 -!- Moskau [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- Guest96014 [uid11283@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgvqlwjqbylcyeht] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:49 < CrackyWacky> capping excessive data fees at 50$ 16:49 < CrackyWacky> right to request a unlock after 90 days 16:49 < CrackyWacky> Return their cellphones, within 15 days and specific usage limits, if they are unhappy with their service. 16:51 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:53 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@unaffiliated/mynx-nith] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 16:57 -!- FunPika|Away is now known as FunPika 17:00 < addihockey10> Funpika has fun in the sun 17:02 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:02 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:02 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:02 -!- Reedy [~quassel@2a01:348:6:8664:94a4:6e9b:54c3:1f8] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:02 -!- Reedy [~quassel@2a01:348:6:8664:94a4:6e9b:54c3:1f8] has quit [Changing host] 17:02 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:05 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 17:08 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 17:09 -!- Bradford is now known as Bradford|GTA 17:15 < mareklug> dtm_ hey 17:15 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 17:15 < mareklug> CrackyWacky are you derp? 17:18 < Qcoder00> Some people have no sense... 17:18 * ToAruShiroiNeko pets mareklug 17:19 < Qcoder00> I make some comments about how 'Google is not responsible' for a number of things... 17:19 < mareklug> dtm_ three things: DropTar on the Mac end produces a tar.tgz which when ftp'ed and gunziped, untarred on Mac X 10.8.3 still produces uncrecognizable to PageMaker (and to the naked eye) files. But they are not stripped of the resource fork, no sir, because… b) ta-da! Fucking CS4 InDesign acutally opens them! Yes, indeedee! It needs to be convinced to do so, because ordinarily it does not own up to recognizing them as openable in the 17:19 < mareklug> least. But witness: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/AmazingGraceInDesignCS4OpensPageMaker6Documents.png And c) the PRAM batteries from Utah arrived. I am going to do surgery now on the dead IIci and see if I get it to rise. 17:19 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> google isnt responsible for the cow level in diablo 2 17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> google isnt responsible for the absence of a cow level in diablo 3 17:19 < Qcoder00> Google isn't responsible for govt morality control :) 17:20 < nas> Has #wikipedia-en-sports been referred as the official Wikipedia sports IRC channel? 17:20 < Qcoder00> What suprised me is that there are people on IRC who claim Google is not responsible for removing sick content... 17:20 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Quit: BRB] 17:20 < Bradford|GTA> ._. 17:20 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 17:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> google isnt responsible for doing anything more than what law demands 17:21 < Qcoder00> I can't repeat the exact comment here, because of UK Libel laws 17:22 < BlastHardcheese> we all know google runs the internet 17:22 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:22 < Qcoder00> BlastHardcheese: Google is not responsible for the NWO 17:22 < Qcoder00> ;) 17:22 < nas> Bradford|GTA: No spamming in Wikipedia related IRC channels please. Thank you. 17:24 < Bradford|GTA> nas: deja tu fastidio 17:25 -!- Bradford|GTA is now known as Bradford 17:28 < TeeTylerToe> a lot of stuff doesn't show up on google searches these days 17:29 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:30 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 < Qcoder00> Like 17:32 < Qcoder00> ? 17:32 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 17:33 -!- gnarlyYCA [~glitchHQQ@adsl-72-145-238-26.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:33 -!- gnarlyYCA [~glitchHQQ@adsl-72-145-238-26.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:35 -!- Jamesofur|away is now known as Jamesofur 17:36 -!- gnarlyYCA [~glitchHQQ@adsl-72-145-238-26.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:37 -!- gnarlyYCA [~glitchHQQ@adsl-72-145-238-26.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:38 < TeeTylerToe> asks, then leaves 17:38 < nas> Is anyone part of any projects under WikiProject Sports? 17:38 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:38 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:44 -!- fwilson [~fwilson@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:47 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has quit [Quit: slaporte] 17:49 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 17:49 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:50 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@216.38.130.164] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:50 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@216.38.130.164] has quit [Changing host] 17:50 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:50 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:52 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 17:52 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@unaffiliated/mynx-nith] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:54 -!- Yetanotherx|afk [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:55 -!- JZTech101 [~jztech101@c-24-0-88-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:56 < dekiss> please give me some mind blowing article on wikipedia about science 17:57 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encopresis 17:58 -!- Yetanotherx|afk [~Yetanothe@mcbouncer.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:59 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 17:59 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@mcbouncer.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:59 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:59 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 18:00 < mareklug> dekiss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement 18:01 -!- JustBerry|away [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:01 -!- JustBerry|away is now known as JustBerry 18:02 < foks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_(film) 18:03 -!- Quik [~exodusRLC@cpe-174-098-166-182.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:03 -!- Quik is now known as Guest25076 18:04 -!- Guest25076 [~exodusRLC@cpe-174-098-166-182.triad.res.rr.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:05 < Koi> foks: I was thinking give him [[Color theory (physics]] 18:05 < Koi> THAT is why you must learn art. 18:05 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:05 < foks> Scanners is, at least in one scene, LITERALLY mind blowing 18:07 -!- elquanto [~fircuser@116.231.74.156] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:08 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 18:10 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC] 18:32 < a930913> Oh c***. 18:32 < ScientificAlan> What? 18:33 < ScientificAlan> Edit war? Vandal? 18:33 < a930913> I just shot myself in the foot. 18:33 < ScientificAlan> Congrats. 18:33 < ScientificAlan> Why did you do that? 18:33 < Koi> er... 18:34 < Koi> anyone here want to take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GarretThePotato ? 18:34 < ScientificAlan> Hey, tornado guy 18:34 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:34 < a930913> I was avoiding a security issue, and I just added the security issue to the page I was using to get around it by creating it. 18:34 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 18:34 < Swob> GarretThePotato will be a welcome addition to our admin corps 18:34 < Swob> he'll fit right in 18:34 < ScientificAlan> Lol 18:35 < Koi> Swob: apparently to SPI corps too! 18:36 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:36 < a930913> In the usage section, is there a question mark in the image? Is my browser playing a funny? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:A930913/wave 18:37 < Swob> i see a blue square 18:37 < a930913> :/ 18:37 -!- JKL1234- [AlmostLive@trivialand/player/JKL1234-] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:37 < Swob> kind of looks like a cough drop. something edible 18:37 < a930913> Swob: Click it. 18:38 < a930913> The image contains a ? does it not? 18:38 < Swob> yeah 18:38 < a930913> Is that strange? 18:38 < dtm_> mareklug: i am gonna say that they *are* bereft of their resource fork, but that it doesn't matter, and CS4 can just open it manually. i mean the resource probably only contains the icon, creator,and type. 18:38 < Swob> maybe the question mark doesnt scale with the rest of the image 18:38 < Swob> SVGs are always causing all osrts of problems 18:39 -!- varnent [~varnent@wikimedia/varnent] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:39 < a930913> Swob: It works resized offwiki. 18:39 < ScientificAlan> I see no question mark until I click the image... o.O 18:39 < dtm_> tommorris: ahoy sir. is your head all better now? did you get any results on that lunkheaded image deletion ticket? i have gotten no further response. 18:39 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 18:40 < Sven_Manguard> Anyone here speak Vietnamese? 18:40 < ScientificAlan> No 18:40 < ScientificAlan> I like english. 18:40 < dtm_> english is ....okay.jpeg 18:40 < ScientificAlan> ? 18:40 < Sven_Manguard> That's good for you ScientificAlan. I didn't ask you though, I asked the channel. 18:40 < dtm_> he's a fan. 18:41 < ScientificAlan> Wait, is Vietnamese related to Latin, or is it one of those languages from absolutely nowhere? 18:41 < Swob> loooooool 18:42 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 18:42 < Swob> youre a good troll Alan 18:42 < ScientificAlan> I wish that was true. 18:42 < ScientificAlan> But you know, you can't always be a troll like me. 18:42 < Swob> the guy who doesnt know where Vietnam is 18:42 -!- AlmostLive [AlmostLive@pear.bnc4free.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:42 < ScientificAlan> I know where Vietnam is 18:43 < ScientificAlan> It's on earth 18:44 < ScientificAlan> I have a question 18:44 -!- JustBerry [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/justberry] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:45 < ScientificAlan> Does "zz_nas" do anything other than change between that name and "nas"? 18:45 < ScientificAlan> That's all I see them do 18:48 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49 -!- Zhaofeng_Li [Elite3737@wikipedia/Zhaofeng-Li] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:50 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:54 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54 -!- slaporte [~slaporte@wikisource/slaporte] has quit [Quit: slaporte] 18:54 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 18:55 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:57 < dtm_> he's not trollin, he's just inquisitively eclectic 18:57 -!- Harpagornis [~Harpagorn@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58 < dtm_> ScientificAlan: vietnamese is asian. are there even any asian languages based on latin? COINCIDENCE: just an hour ago, i met a native Japanese who lives a block away, who is a linguist who majored in Italian and latin, who wants to teach me japanese. 18:59 -!- frosteeze [frosteeze@pool-98-112-177-223.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:00 -!- frosteeze [frosteeze@pool-98-112-177-223.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:04 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Quit: Connection savagely beaten to death by peer] 19:04 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 19:06 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@182.sub-174-255-208.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:06 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@182.sub-174-255-208.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:06 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:07 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:13 < ScientificAlan> I have to go, good night 19:13 < ScientificAlan> It's 10 here 19:14 -!- ScientificAlan [~alan@cpe-184-57-219-55.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:15 -!- elquanto [~fircuser@116.231.74.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:15 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has left #wikipedia-en ["Porque dicen que el Valiente vive hasta el cobarde quiere!!! ;)"] 19:16 -!- Jamesofur is now known as Jamesofur|away 19:17 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Quit: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you] 19:19 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:19 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 < mareklug> dtm_ the sick IIci behaves strangely. With the new known drive it would system bomb almost immediately after Welcome to the Macinotsh screen. That's with onboard video. I replaced it with an Apple video card and now it does not system bomb, but it turns off video after a while.. that's with it's old drive. And with the new memory installed and old removed. and of course new PRAM battery. So I think it is likely a power supply issue, 19:22 < mareklug> because it is being flakey. And when I power it down and then try to power it up, the keyboard light and its own power lights flicker dimmy. When I unplug the power cable and replug it, it restarts. And there is no chime, but that could be because the chime is being too soft to hear. So my next step is to pull the power supply from the IIcx. 19:26 -!- Swob [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 19:27 < a930913> mareklug: System bomb === kernel panic? 19:28 < mareklug> I guess. you get a nice little black and white picture with a black circular bomb with a fuse and a nasty message in Chicago font. 19:30 < kylu> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bomb.png 19:31 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 19:31 < SigmaWP> kylu: hi 19:33 < kylu> 'lo 19:33 < kylu> how's a sigma? 19:34 < SigmaWP> happy ish 19:34 < kylu> well, that's good ish. 19:36 < SigmaWP> yep 19:36 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 19:37 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:37 < kylu> I need to come up with a new hobby, Sigma. 19:37 < kylu> got idears? 19:37 < a930913> kylu: Can you program? 19:38 -!- batfan [4af37a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.243.122.121] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:39 < kylu> sure, used to have a toolserver account even. 19:39 < a930913> kylu: Want to help me with WAVE? 19:39 < kylu> dude, there's sound codec libraries that have that all taken care of. 19:40 < kylu> :) 19:40 < batfan> is their a way to ajoin channels 19:40 < a930913> kylu: Web Anti Vandal Engine. 19:41 < kylu> batfan: depends on your client, but usually. 19:41 < kylu> a930913: trying to offload my current bots, actually. 19:41 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42 < a930913> kylu: Which ones? 19:42 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:42 < TParis> Yay, my tools are working again. 19:42 < TParis> Or rather, X!'s tools on my account 19:42 < a930913> TParis: On the toolserver? 19:42 < a930913> Or the labs? 19:42 < TParis> toolserver 19:42 < kylu> a930913: melos has a bunch that are hosted on my mac, and I've got a swmtbot that's running on here fordewp 19:43 < kylu> de.wp 19:43 < TParis> Only the edit counter and pages created work on labs as far as I know 19:43 < TParis> and the edit counter on labs lacks deleted edits 19:43 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:44 < kylu> mostly written in perl and python, one in .NET/mono 19:44 < kylu> ... which looks really weird, running an .exe from a bash shell. 19:44 < batfan> im on freenode webchat 19:44 < batfan> kylu 19:45 < kylu> batfan: Most web-based clients don't have autojoin capabilities to my knowledge. Someone else might know that one better, but you may enjoy using a dedicated IRC client anyway. 19:45 < batfan> o 19:45 < batfan> i should add it to my mirc 19:45 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:45 < kylu> you could do that, as mirc certainly has autojoin. 19:46 < kylu> also, if you click on k. mardam-bey's nose, it squeaks. 19:47 < batfan> its /ns ajoin add #channel 19:47 < batfan> i guess 19:48 < kylu> odd, as /ns help ajoin says there's no help for such a command 19:52 < closedmouth> i don't think nickserv is gonna be autojoining for you 19:53 -!- anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:53 < Betacommand> kylu: autojoin is controlled by your client 19:53 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:53 < kylu> Betacommand: I made that point earlier, yes. 19:53 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:53 -!- batfan [4af37a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.243.122.121] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:54 < kylu> otoh, it wouldn't be terribly hard to make a services with a services-run autojoin function... unrealircd, for instance, had an oper command that could force an individual to join a channel. 19:54 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Yesterday, I was talking to someone about how I was remaking a video game. 19:55 < kylu> polybius? 19:55 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Anyone want to talk about it? 19:55 < closedmouth> nope 19:56 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:56 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@unaffiliated/mynx-nith] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:56 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Anybody other than closedmouth? 19:57 < TParis> I'm also going to suggest a nope on that one. 19:57 -!- TParis [~TParis-PC@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [] 19:57 < UnknownNinjaNN2> What do you think Kylu? 20:00 < UnknownNinjaNN2> The game is here: http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/83379-nintendo-nightmare 20:01 < kylu> oh, I remember you posting that... 20:02 < kylu> I want you to beat a game for me, and then we'll talk, okay? 20:02 < UnknownNinjaNN2> What game, it depends... 20:02 < kylu> it should be a pretty short game, fairly easy, but no cheating... 20:02 < kylu> it's called "I wanna be the Guy" 20:02 < UnknownNinjaNN2> What game? 20:02 < kylu> it's called "I wanna be the Guy" 20:03 * kylu makes a record-skipping noise. Zzzrp! 20:03 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Where is it? 20:03 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 20:04 < kylu> here... http://bit.ly/11eoKBP 20:05 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Oh, now I get the joke. :) 20:05 < kylu> you should watch the videos, very entertaining. 20:05 < kylu> anyway, g'ni all. 20:05 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Goodnight. 20:05 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Real quick 20:06 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Do you know swobs username? 20:06 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Wikipedia username 20:06 < IDoH> UnknownNinjaNN2: SoapX 20:06 < kylu> oh, before I go... 20:06 * kylu runs over and big-hugs IDoH! Yay! 20:07 * kylu now goes to sleep. ^.^ 20:07 * IDoH hugs Kylu 20:07 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Bye. 20:07 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07 < IDoH> UnknownNinjaNN2: Wait a minute, it's just "soap" 20:07 < IDoH> Darn it 20:10 -!- AlmostLive is now known as JKL1234- 20:10 -!- JKL1234- [AlmostLive@pear.bnc4free.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:10 -!- JKL1234- [AlmostLive@trivialand/player/JKL1234-] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:12 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:12 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13 < SigmaWP> [20:11:21] �<�legobot4�>� [[Poland China pig]] !N http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=558226969 * AlphaPyro * (+46) [[WP:AES|←]]Redirected page to [[Poland China]] 20:14 < SigmaWP> polskí can into 中國 20:14 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:16 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 -!- batfan [~batfan@adsl-74-243-122-121.sav.bellsouth.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 < mareklug> " It is the oldest American breed of swine." 20:18 -!- mynx-nith [~blueberry@unaffiliated/mynx-nith] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 20:18 -!- tuprincipe [~canaima@190-76-188-232.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 20:20 -!- peachey|laptop__ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:23 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:24 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26 < Koi> SigmaWP: really? lol 20:26 < SigmaWP> uhuh. 20:26 < SigmaWP> well. 20:26 < Koi> SigmaWP: chinese ftw 20:26 < SigmaWP> That's actually a funny article. 20:26 -!- CensoredBiscuit [~CensoredB@wikipedia/CensoredBiscuit] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:27 < Koi> I read that polski can into zhongguo, im so bad at actually naming characters. I used to just give each character a name :( 20:27 -!- tuprincipe [~canaima@190-76-188-232.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:27 < Koi> like, reading that correctly was an accomplishment. 20:28 -!- JKL1234- is now known as JKL|Away 20:28 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:30 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:35 -!- peachey|laptop__ is now known as p858snake 20:35 < batfan> oof 20:35 < batfan> editing on a mobile doesnt seem easy 20:35 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:35 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:36 < dtm_> batfan: i'd say that's correct. 20:36 < dtm_> i'm also pretty sure that editing isn't easy 20:36 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 20:36 < batfan> ya 20:36 < dtm_> not to put... too....fine.... a point... on it.... 20:36 < dtm_> :-o 20:37 < dtm_> i've done it on my iphone, but only once or twice, because it's anonymous, because i'm not about to remember my passwords on any important web sites. 20:38 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:38 < dtm_> and i guess there's no wikipedia editing app. 20:38 < dtm_> to store my password and such 20:38 < IDoH> We need an editing app, thouhg 20:38 < dtm_> no doubt 20:38 < IDoH> For Android iOS 20:38 < IDoH> AND iOS 20:38 < dtm_> also the world needs to not use passwords anymore generally. 20:39 < IDoH> How is that going to happen, dtm_? 20:39 -!- LaraLove [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jennavecia] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 20:39 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:40 < dtm_> IDoH: well i've seen a couple of different things, like voice and motion 20:40 < dtm_> there's an iOS app i think, which can unlock your lock screen by shaking just the right way. you record your shake. lol 20:40 < dtm_> jumpin on one foot 20:40 < IDoH> dtm_: I have a very mild physical disability that would make that not work. 20:41 < dtm_> IDoH: ok. you can't talk? 20:41 < dtm_> on Mac OS 9, i'd say "my voice is my password" ;) 20:41 < CensoredBiscuit> IDoH: me too 20:41 < IDoH> IDoH: No, but voice recognition is horrid for me. 20:41 < IDoH> dtm_ ^ 20:41 < dtm_> IDoH: it doesn't have to interpret what you're saying, though 20:41 < dtm_> you just have to say it the same way 20:41 < dtm_> i mean with the same voice 20:41 < CensoredBiscuit> wait IDoH I think we've had this conversation before 20:42 < dtm_> and then you could fall back on to passwords. 20:42 < dtm_> or, you can authenticate based on trusting the physical possession of the device itself. 20:42 < dtm_> i mean these can all be options 20:42 < dtm_> falling back potentially on passwords. 20:42 < dtm_> but a person can enable or disable any of those 20:43 -!- JKL|Away is now known as JKL1234- 20:43 < IDoH> dtm_: Er, I'm not 100% sure if that will work for me, still, even though I speak very clearly, clearly enough that a stranger with decent hearing and English ability can understand 99% of what I'm saying. I'd just use the passwords. 20:43 < dtm_> IDoH: ok well i dont know why you'd say that .. but.. it could work! 20:43 < IDoH> Maaaybe. 20:43 < dtm_> it knows the characteristics of your voice, see. not interpreting it. 20:44 < dtm_> it doesn't know what you're saying. 20:44 < dtm_> it just knows this is your voice 20:44 < IDoH> Oh, okay, it *might* work, then. 20:44 < dtm_> i mean it might be the timing and inflection and various signature features 20:44 < dtm_> of each micro aspect 20:45 < IDoH> Cool. 20:45 < dtm_> so you have 1) physical possession of your device and 2) your voice 20:45 < IDoH> Ah 20:45 < dtm_> and tie it to just that device 20:45 < dtm_> so that's pretty decent 20:45 < dtm_> so i mean. someone like facebook or google or wikimedia could tie your phone to a web site 20:46 < dtm_> so you sit down at your desktop system and you mess with your phone to log in, and you start workin on wikipedia on your desktop. 20:46 < dtm_> as an auth combo 20:47 < dtm_> kerblammoooo 20:47 < dtm_> i bet it'd work even for horses. 20:47 < IDoH> Ha ha ha! 20:48 < dtm_> you could playback the same clip from Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron 20:48 -!- Lobster|afk [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:49 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:49 -!- Lobster|afk is now known as Swarley 20:50 -!- batfan [~batfan@adsl-74-243-122-121.sav.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: adios!] 20:51 -!- dekiss [~dekiss@77.29.143.34] has quit [] 20:52 < mareklug> IDoH so here is an old hit you probably could not avoid not hearing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMCZqKowlzM The Police (with Sing), "Sending an SOS" 20:52 < IDoH> mareklug: heard that before 20:52 < mareklug> I guess if they were to reunite, like The Kinks sing "cherry cola" on "Lola", they could sing: "I send an SMS to you" 20:53 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Quit: Good night, and good luck.] 20:53 < IDoH> They've probably thought of that already. 20:53 < dtm_> :-I 20:54 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:54 < IDoH> Funny idea, though 20:54 < mareklug> IDoH since the incompetent Tracfone made me have 3 cell phones, I guess I could have 3 secret lovers and they would not know about one another. 20:54 < dtm_> have you guys heard of Qworty? http://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/wikipedia_cleans_up_its_mess/ 20:54 < IDoH> You'd be a very busy and unethical man, then. 20:54 < dtm_> i just heard of it. 20:54 < IDoH> I have, dtm_. 20:55 < dtm_> mareklug: lol 21:05 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:08 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:09 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 21:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug nor would they know about you probably 21:15 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 21:15 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@adsl-99-135-94-132.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:16 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@adsl-99-135-94-132.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:16 -!- osxdude [~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:17 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:17 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:17 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:18 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-118-213.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:19 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:20 -!- CensoredBiscuit [~CensoredB@wikipedia/CensoredBiscuit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Does anyone know what Swob's Wikipedia Username is? 21:20 < SigmaWP> soap 21:21 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:22 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-118-213.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:24 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:26 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: trololoooolo 21:27 < dtm_> mareklug: you gotta give it up for that one 21:27 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:27 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 21:28 < dtm_> ya gotta, man! ya just gotta! 21:29 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30 -!- Zed` [~Zed@sh.savantnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30 -!- Zed` [~Zed@sh.savantnet.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:30 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 21:34 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:35 -!- Cauthon [~chatzilla@cpe-24-93-133-189.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 21:35 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:36 -!- Swarley [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:39 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:40 -!- SuicidalZerg [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:40 < SuicidalZerg> Look what I won't be buying any time soon! http://torrentfreak.com/arm-launches-hollywood-approved-anti-piracy-processor-130603/ 21:40 < SuicidalZerg> Anything with an ARM processor! 21:42 < dtm_> :-o 21:46 -!- teshiron [~teshiron@wikipedia/Darkwind] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:46 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:48 < Koi> Which only goes to demonstrate that you're a malevolent idiot. Eric Corbett 11:08 pm, Today (UTC−5) 21:48 < Koi> I love you too. --Jayron32 11:14 pm, Today (UTC−5) 21:48 < Koi> that is funny. 21:48 < dtm_> guys, can anyone glance at this http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/02/11/why-the-revolution-has-been-tweeted-the-dragonfly-effect/ and tell me whether it's actually an official article of Forbes? i know that there are weblogs and various other less-than-officially-editorially-overseen subsections of major RSes, and i just wanted to ensure that this is particular article is, in fact an RS 21:48 < dtm_> Koi: true. true. 21:49 < dtm_> at this particular juncture, the OTRS flowchart would direct Jayron32 to "shower them in wikilove" 21:49 < Koi> dtm_: looks like a blog section. 21:49 < dtm_> Koi: how do we know that? 21:49 < dtm_> the author is just called "Contributor" 21:49 < Koi> dtm_: /sites/stevedenning for one. 21:50 < Koi> that means it's a subsite of forbes. 21:50 < dtm_> ok. 21:50 < D_> Well, their top story on their front page also leads to a /sites/ URL 21:50 < dtm_> weird. 21:50 < dtm_> :-o 21:50 < Koi> really? 21:50 < Koi> did they change that? 21:50 < D_> but that author is actually labeled "Forbes Staff" 21:50 < dtm_> sites! SITES, EVERYWHERE 21:50 < dtm_> it's a good interview. 21:50 < Koi> a while back they used to only use /sites/ for their individual stiff 21:50 < Koi> INTERVIEW NOT INDEPENDENT. KOI DISAPPROVE. 21:51 < dtm_> is it possible that an RS can have a subsection which is categorically not an RS? like a weblog subsection? 21:51 < D_> Maybe they're trying to be cloudsocial, I dunno 21:51 < dtm_> D_: so are we calling this url an RS? 21:51 < D_> I honestly can't tell 21:51 < dtm_> lol! 21:51 * dtm_ drowns it to see if it's a witch 21:52 < D_> "The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer." 21:52 < dtm_> where'd you see that 21:52 < D_> I guess Forbes disavows this article 21:52 < D_> Below the blurb about the author 21:52 < dtm_> oh i see. 21:52 < D_> on the right side 21:52 < dtm_> lol! 21:52 < D_> For what it's worth, staff writers don't get that disclaimer 21:53 < dtm_> okay so it's a secondary source. and i say it's good. but it's not an RS? but if i had 3+ substantial RSes, i can quote it and cite it as a cherry on top. 21:53 < dtm_> amirite 21:54 < dtm_> it has a good description or synopsis of the book. 21:54 < dtm_> it's not something that i'm relying heavily upon. 21:54 < dtm_> and i would cite it as "this guy said this about it" 21:55 < D_> The Forbes application form for becoming a contributor is a Google Docs form 21:55 < D_> I am now convinced that their website is ran about as well as the Soviet Union c. 1991 22:00 < dtm_> :-I 22:00 < SigmaWP> :\ 22:00 < SigmaWP> ok, fine... 22:00 < SigmaWP> I'll allow it 22:00 < dtm_> wow. well, i've read two very well written articles on it though ;) lol 22:00 < dtm_> the right good gentleman Sigma from WP has allowed it! 22:01 < dtm_> can i get an a-MENNNNNN-ahhhh?! 22:01 < D_> I think SigmaWP was talking about my Soviet Union analogy 22:01 < dtm_> cool 22:01 < D_> At least I'd expect that 22:01 < dtm_> sounds good. we'll do that. 22:01 < D_> But hey, you can still use your source 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@176.254.35.61] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@176.254.35.61] has quit [Changing host] 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:10 -!- Sven_Manguard [~Perhaps@wikipedia/Sven-Manguard] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 22:11 -!- JKL1234- is now known as JKL|Away 22:11 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:11 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Did I ask this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Edit_conflict#Check_for_identical_edits.3F 22:12 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@udp102803uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:12 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@udp102803uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:12 -!- Solarra [~Solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:13 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Did I do this correctly? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Edit_conflict#Check_for_identical_edits.3F 22:14 < Jasper_Deng> it shouldn't trigger an edit conflict 22:15 < UnknownNinjaNN2> It does. 22:15 < D_> I didn't know you can edit conflict with yourself 22:15 < D_> but I guess it'd make sense for it to tell you 22:15 < UnknownNinjaNN2> The names on the conflicts are the same. Plus, I check and see my edit in the article/talk page. 22:16 < D_> Exactly identical edits shouldn't conflict, though 22:17 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Yeah, but it is my writing, sig, etc. 22:18 < UnknownNinjaNN2> D_:they should put some kind of check in to prevent this. 22:20 < UnknownNinjaNN2> So, did I ask in the right place? 22:20 -!- basile is now known as guillom 22:21 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Hello? 22:21 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 22:22 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Hello, FastLizard4. 22:22 < D_> Uh, you could try [[WP:VPT]] if you really wanted 22:23 < FastLizard4> UnknownNinjaNN2: Hi 22:24 < UnknownNinjaNN2> What is WP:VPT? 22:24 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:25 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:27 < UnknownNinjaNN2> What have you said since my last post? 22:29 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:30 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Hello LtNOWIS . 22:30 < LtNOWIS> hi 22:30 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Can I help you? 22:31 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["Silentium est aureum"] 22:31 -!- Jamesofur|away is now known as Jamesofur 22:31 < UnknownNinjaNN2> That was a strange username. 22:32 < UnknownNinjaNN2> LtNOWIS: Can I help you? 22:32 < FastLizard4> UnknownNinjaNN2: Not everyone comes in this channel to get help 22:32 < LtNOWIS> No, I'm just here to hang out 22:32 < FastLizard4> This is also a social channel\ 22:32 < LtNOWIS> I'm moer of a helper anyways 22:32 < LtNOWIS> at least in my own mind 22:32 < FastLizard4> So it's best to wait for people to ask for help instead of offering :) 22:32 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Anybody want to discuss Nintendo Nightmare? 22:34 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 22:34 < UnknownNinjaNN2> How do you join other channels FastLizard4 ? 22:35 < Jasper_Deng_away> UnknownNinjaNN2: /join <channel name> 22:35 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Thanks. 22:35 * Jasper_Deng_away thinks you should get an IRC client, search that up on Wikipedia 22:35 < UnknownNinjaNN2> join #nintendo 22:36 < closedmouth> /join 22:36 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:37 -!- funnyfarm299 [~funnyfarm@adsl-184-38-29-167.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:37 -!- funnyfarm299 [~funnyfarm@adsl-184-38-29-167.msy.bellsouth.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:37 -!- funnyfarm299 [~funnyfarm@wikipedia/Funnyfarmofdoom] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:37 < funnyfarm299> Hey guys. 22:37 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:37 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2 is just advertising the #nintendo, closedmouth 22:37 < dtm_> D_: it looks like this one is legit, because it has a date on it, and no funny business afaict http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/04/101004fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all 22:38 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:38 < D_> I'd say so 22:38 < D_> Also says that the author is a staff writer 22:38 < dtm_> D_: here i was all frothy when i had seen forbes.com >:/ 22:38 < dtm_> my RS options are limited. 22:39 < mareklug> $23.18 - $12.82 = the difference I made for myself by manually reconfiguring my cheapass AT&T landline service on their website instead of what they thought was the cheapass service. 22:40 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Mareklug: Actually, I was trying to move there so I could a game I am making. Problem is that nobody's there 22:40 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2 choose a more popular trivial pursuit, such as girls. 22:41 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Mareklug: I can discuss what I want to discuss. There is no reason to be rude about it. 22:41 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:42 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2 who is being rude about anything? I kindly suggested a more befitting pursuit, one which will abound in company. 22:42 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:42 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:42 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 22:43 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Oh, I thought you were saying that I should not discuss it at all and that is dumb or something. 22:43 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Or at least I inferred that. 22:43 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2 clearly you will benefit from more socializing. And girls are far more difficult to get right than a kind straightforward pursuit advice. 22:43 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:43 < UnknownNinjaNN2> *and that it is dumb or something 22:45 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Look, I came here to discuss a project I am working on. What does that have to do with anything else? How do you know what I do? For all you know I socialize a lot. 22:47 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Mareklug: where did you go? 22:47 < D_> Clearly to socialize 22:48 < D_> with girls 22:48 < Prodego> UnknownNinjaNN2: in answer to your originial question 22:48 < Prodego> UnknownNinjaNN2: identical edits do not generate edit conflicts 22:48 < mareklug> Yes, D_ is on the money. I went to socialize with girls. 22:48 < tommorris> I'm trying to find the longest article title. I've found the longest redirect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Strange_Surprizing_Adventures_of_Robinson_Crusoe,_of_York,_Mariner:_Who_lived_Eight_and_Twenty_Years,_all_alone_in_an_un-inhabited_Island_on_the_Coast_of_America,_near_the_Mouth_of_the_Great_River_of_Oroonoque;_Having_been_cast_on_Shore_by 22:48 < Prodego> UnknownNinjaNN2: the reason you may get one when you save your edits twice is because of your signature, which changes after saving from ~~~~ to [[User:... 22:48 < Prodego> UnknownNinjaNN2: it is not easy to "fix" that 22:49 -!- hyp3nitis [~ogk3v@cpe-174-096-234-039.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 22:49 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Really? 22:49 < Prodego> yes really 22:49 < tommorris> actually, here's the article with the longest title: 22:49 < tommorris> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lopado%C2%ADtemacho%C2%ADselacho%C2%ADgaleo%C2%ADkranio%C2%ADleipsano%C2%ADdrim%C2%ADhypo%C2%ADtrimmato%C2%ADsilphio%C2%ADparao%C2%ADmelito%C2%ADkatakechy%C2%ADmeno%C2%ADkichl%C2%ADepi%C2%ADkossypho%C2%ADphatto%C2%ADperister%C2%ADalektryon%C2%ADopte%C2%ADkephallio%C2%ADkigklo%C2%ADpeleio%C2%ADlagoio%C2%ADsiraio%C2%ADbaphe%C2%ADtragano%C2%ADpterygon 22:50 < UnknownNinjaNN2> If (ipconflictone!=ipconflicttwo) 22:50 < UnknownNinjaNN2> I fixed it. 22:50 < Prodego> UnknownNinjaNN2: mediawiki does not substitute until after the page is saved 22:50 < funnyfarm299> How sad is it the wifi at my timeshare is slower than LTE? 22:50 < dtm_> UnknownNinjaNN2: to answer your questions, your game project is what has nothing to do with anything, here. and you are the one who is rudely belligerent. that is all! 22:50 < dtm_> HTH 22:50 < D_> tommorris: Someone should update http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_records#Titles 22:50 < Prodego> UnknownNinjaNN2: if you would like to patch in the behavior you have mentioned, feel free to submit code at bugzilla.wikimedia.org 22:51 < dtm_> though mareklug's response was far, far, *far* smoother. *whoosh* 22:51 < D_> Oh wait, it's already there 22:51 < funnyfarm299> Is marek on? 22:51 < mareklug> am I on? -- Martha and the Muffins 22:52 < dtm_> mareklug: testing. TESTING. type harder please 22:52 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Dtm_ I asked if people wish to discuss it. A no is just fine! 22:52 < funnyfarm299> Were you the one asking about a tablet? 22:52 < mareklug> "harder." is a trademarked utterance of Mr. closedmouth. I dare not tread on his marek. 22:52 -!- Truffles [~truffles@a91-156-186-193.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:52 < dtm_> UnknownNinjaNN2: it would be nice if that was true. you got quite a number of very fine no's. 22:53 -!- Truffles is now known as Guest46880 22:53 < dtm_> UnknownNinjaNN2: i'm sure there are channels for it here , if it's free software. 22:54 < funnyfarm299> Marek, were you the one asking about a wacom tablet? 22:54 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Dtm_ where are these no's? 22:54 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Crowds change. That was earlier. 22:54 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:55 < UnknownNinjaNN2> And I doubt there are channels, but feel free to waste your time looking. 22:56 < FastLizard4> There appears to be a ##nintendo 22:57 < funnyfarm299> I love #wikipedia-en. We are MORE than willing to look for things. 22:57 < UnknownNinjaNN2> A new one? 22:57 < FastLizard4> Various *gaming channels 22:57 < FastLizard4> Juse use ALIS and search for them 22:57 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:57 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] 22:57 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:57 < FastLizard4> /msg ALIS HELP 22:57 < UnknownNinjaNN2> ??? 22:58 < funnyfarm299> Christ, there's 230 in the reddit sub. 22:59 < UnknownNinjaNN2> So, we are searching for the longest link? 22:59 < FastLizard4> funnyfarm299: Which one? :P 22:59 < funnyfarm299> I meant #reddit 22:59 < FastLizard4> Oh 22:59 < FastLizard4> Heh 23:00 < UnknownNinjaNN2> I don't know what that is, but it sounds backed up! 23:00 < funnyfarm299> I'm surprised that the java channel isnt in the top 10 23:00 < funnyfarm299> Then again, I hate java. 23:00 < funnyfarm299> SO MANY CLASSES 23:00 -!- c [~charitwo@defocus/o-O] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:01 < UnknownNinjaNN2> Funnyfarm299: try game maker. 23:01 < Firefly67> UnknownNinjaNN2: See http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming - 3 million people discussing video games 23:02 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:02 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Quit: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] 23:02 < funnyfarm299> Firefly, good point. There's far too many subreddits for one lifetime. 23:04 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2_ [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:05 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Nope on Reddit. I prefer IRC 23:05 < mareklug> dtm_ ok, on a noncomputing front, or maybe it still is the war on computing, except in a different guis, the subject being propagating the cause of micropayments... 23:05 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2 [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:06 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> How did I just quit? 23:06 < funnyfarm299> Two sessions. 23:06 < funnyfarm299> You have an underscore. 23:06 < Firefly67> Why do you prefer IRC? 23:07 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 23:07 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> I just like the way it is stuctured. Is there a popular nintendo subject channel? 23:08 < mareklug> dtm_ well, it so happens that ASGP has a business account at a well-known chain gang bank. And they told me: we can't give you free banking, even though you are a nonprofit, but we can make it free, if you just use the account's debit card 5 times in a billing cycle. And they invariably, no matter who I talk to, give this encouragement, verbatim: "It does not have to be a large purchase, it could be just a stick of gum. But 5 times in a 23:08 < mareklug> billing cycle, and you avoid the $12 service fee." Ok, so I got tired of amassing sticks of gum at $0.38 at the ExxonMobil station and $0.75 (with tax include) at Walgreen's 23:08 < mareklug> and I found this Pennies in Action Fund where it just so happens you can donate as little as a penny -- by PayPal, of all things. So I did. 23:09 * Firefly67 likes reddit better. 23:09 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> *likes IRC better 23:09 < closedmouth> reddit sucks 23:09 < Firefly67> What is steam? Is that a chatroom? 23:10 -!- BadDesign [~cpp@unaffiliated/baddesign] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:10 < koishi> you can't compare reddit with irc 23:10 < koishi> just like you can't compare a message board with irc 23:10 < koishi> because that's what reddit is 23:10 < Firefly67> UnknownNinjaNN2_ : type /me likes IRC better 23:10 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Closedmouth: thanks for the support. :) 23:10 * UnknownNinjaNN2_ likes IRC better 23:11 < koishi> you go irc because it's realtime and because there's less "red tape" 23:11 < koishi> (usually) 23:11 -!- teshi|away [~teshiron@wikipedia/Darkwind] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:11 -!- teshi|away is now known as teshiron 23:11 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ you realize that on irc you are open for real time socializing snipes 23:12 < Firefly67> But if people are aggressive it is harder to deal with it in real time on IRC than it is to deal with it on reddit where you have a time lag to respond. 23:12 < Firefly67> or to not respond 23:12 < dtm_> mareklug: very well. 23:12 < koishi> i 23:12 < koishi> oops 23:12 < closedmouth> hate apostrophes? 23:12 < koishi> apparently 23:12 < koishi> "! 23:13 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: what are they gonna do? Rob me of a few game ideas? 23:13 < dtm_> irc is cool and reddit is cool. just don't go to #reddit. don't cross the streams!! 23:13 < closedmouth> reddit is the worst thing to happen to the internet since AOL 23:13 < dtm_> closedmouth: :-ooooooooo 23:13 < koishi> >aol 23:13 < koishi> whoa 23:13 * Firefly67 jumps to reddit's defense 23:13 < mareklug> dtm I am pushing to to the point of absurdity, of course, but I think I am right on this. The idea being, PayPal is a badass way to do micropayments, because they charge you out the ass for transcactions. So I am forcing the issue, as it were -- we need more micropayment options in the economy that are not saddled by bankers' fees. 23:13 < dtm_> closedmouth: worse than aol? them's.... them's fightin words, son. 23:13 < dtm_> lol 23:13 * Firefly67 admonishes closedmouth 23:13 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Dtm_ what do mean by streams? 23:14 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ why are you so defensive? 23:14 < dtm_> UnknownNinjaNN2_: Ghostbusters reference 23:14 < koishi> idk aol was the only reason '90s internet got anywhere 23:14 < dtm_> UnknownNinjaNN2_: imagine if all the energy of the universe went into this Twinkie. 23:14 < dtm_> and all of the molecules would simultaneously explode. 23:14 < dtm_> Or something. 23:15 < mareklug> dtm_ is this one of those old original twikies, or one of the new resurrected ones? 23:15 < dtm_> koishi: nnnnnnnnnope. 23:15 < mareklug> twinkies * 23:15 < dtm_> mareklug: i haven't seen the new ones! are they gluten free? 23:15 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Please stop using my name. It messes my scrolling up. I can't even read the messages right now! 23:15 < koishi> dtm_: tell me more about aol then 23:15 < koishi> and not new aol plz 23:15 < koishi> idk when exactly that starts tho 23:15 < koishi> ...2003? 23:16 < mareklug> dtm why would something inherently wheat-based by gluten free? btw, did I tell you (no, it was Soap/Swob) that "gluty" in Polish means "snot"? 23:16 < dtm_> holy crap i bet there's everything twinkie related, on wikipedia. everything there ever was to know, ever!! 23:16 < dtm_> mareklug: wait. does it have *food* in it? 23:16 < closedmouth> koishi: yeah, got anywhere with the dumb masses 23:16 < koishi> rightg 23:16 < koishi> *-g 23:16 < koishi> dumb masses = people 23:16 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: I am not. It just sounds that way. 23:16 < koishi> people = your gods 23:16 < koishi> :( 23:16 < mareklug> twinkies do have carbohydrates in them, in addition to patented chemistry 23:16 < dtm_> mareklug: i didn't know that. btw, wanna translate [[Mitch Markovich]] to polish? 23:17 < mareklug> dtm_ not really. they are very snooty over at Pl wiki over my rusty Polish in the nuances of style division… they have made me effectively not write any more articles. 23:17 < mareklug> I just gnome there. 23:17 < Firefly67> Can I tell a Polish joke? 23:17 < dtm_> koishi: we were sitting here counting down the days until the arrival of AOL. it was independent ISPs and universities that built the internet as we know it, one dialup account and student account at a time! <3 23:17 < mareklug> Firefly67 how many fireflies does it take to light up a Pole? 23:17 -!- Guest46880 [~truffles@a91-156-186-193.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 23:17 < koishi> uhuh :( 23:18 < dtm_> utterly despite AOL. we provided the value proposition for the sales of AOL accounts. we were what they were accessing. 23:18 < koishi> where are your universities now :((( 23:18 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: one 23:18 < koishi> utterly irrelevant :(((((((( 23:18 < dtm_> koishi: they're on internet2 lol 23:18 < dtm_> SAFE! 23:18 < koishi> and they were the only reason you were relevant in the slightest :((((((((((((((((((((( 23:18 < dtm_> koishi: wut. i just said that. 23:19 < closedmouth> koishi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September 23:19 < dtm_> closedmouth: hahaaaaaa 23:19 < dtm_> gg 23:19 < koishi> closedmouth: :( 23:19 < koishi> YOUR NEW GODS 23:19 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: what is gnoming? 23:20 < closedmouth> took me ages to dredge the name of that out of my faulty memory 23:20 < koishi> dtm_: right. i'm just making it /very/ clear what that /really/ means :( 23:20 < koishi> too much :( but hey 23:20 < dtm_> :-. 23:21 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Also, call me Ninja. That way my scroll bar does not go all wacky. 23:21 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gnoming I like this definition a lot: "Verb - The act of recklessly (under the influence of something illicit or mind altering) going around and stealing lawn gnomes for the sake of a collection purpose. IT is definately fun to take one of your favourite gnomes with you on vacation and take pictures of that gnome from different locations in the world and send it by postcard to 23:21 < mareklug> the original owner." Have you seen the movie "Amelié"? She stole her father's gnome, and that started the meme. 23:21 < koishi> mareklug: why did i think of harry potter from that 23:21 < koishi> totally would work for some random crazy character 23:22 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: what does that all have to do with polish wikipedia? 23:23 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ but seriously, http://www.wikipatterns.com/display/wikipatterns/WikiGnome 23:23 < dtm_> closedmouth: that article is full of <REF name=... i've never seen markup in caps, since way old HTML! <3 and that date is calculated! excellent article. 23:24 < koishi> oh 23:24 < koishi> guess that makes me a gnome then 23:24 < koishi> not that this really matters 23:24 < dtm_> koishi: are you a wikignome 23:25 -!- eym [43a0e72f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.160.231.47] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:25 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> I am starting to wonder what I am...... 23:26 < dtm_> Heavy. 23:26 < Firefly67> There are a couple of people on -help looking for help. Shall I direct them here? 23:26 < mareklug> dtm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/AmazingGraceInDesignCS4OpensPageMaker6Documents.png did you notice how InDesign did not mess up anything in the book? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/AmazingGraceInDesignCS4OpensPageMaker6Documents.png 23:26 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Yeah!!!! 23:26 < dtm_> Firefly67: why would you do that? 23:26 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Send them over. It will be fun! 23:26 < Firefly67> There is no one responding to them on that channel and I don't know the answer to their questions. 23:26 < eym> !helper Hi. My page was nominated for speedy deletion but I am not sure why. I think I need to submit it for approval but I don't know how. Can someone help me with this. This is the link to the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_Advocating_For_Equity 23:27 < mareklug> Firefly67 there is a firewall in place that keeps them there. 23:27 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Besides, nobody is at the other channel. 23:27 < dtm_> mareklug: flajslkdghalsdjfglashdlajsfdlololo 23:28 < mareklug> eym have some sense of propriety. Why the hell would you put an article about some club at some college on a world-scope encyclopedia? 23:28 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Eym: someone should move it to your sandbox. Could dtm_ do that? 23:29 < funnyfarm299> Hold up guys. I'm looking at it now. 23:30 < funnyfarm299> It looks like there might already be a page in the AfC process 23:30 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: that is like saying my Nintendo Nightmare article was a waste of time. It is not, because I like to write about the subject. 23:31 < Firefly67> Who is Jayron32? 23:31 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Where is that mentioned? 23:31 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ kindly write for your own blog. 23:31 < eym> mareklug.... rude. 23:31 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:31 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.37.82] has quit [Changing host] 23:31 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:31 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ no one will delete a thing, I promise! 23:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug unless its child pornography 23:32 < Firefly67> No, Jayron took care of the deletion stuff for eym. 23:32 < funnyfarm299> Who IS jayron? 23:32 < mareklug> eym what exactly is rude about telling you the facts of life in spades? I mean, for heaven's sake, just because the club is important to YOU, does not make it notable to the world. 23:32 < Firefly67> eym, come back in the morning. More people like Huon etc. will be there, they are polite and helpful. 23:33 < funnyfarm299> because he needs to clean up after himself 23:33 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: he was reffering to your comment at me. 23:33 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:33 < dtm_> i dont get why ToAruShiroiNeko is so into child pornography. try cutting down sometime! it's simply unencyclopedic! 23:34 -!- Grashoofd [~chatzilla@D97847F5.cm-3-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:34 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: as for me and my house, we don't do or say or read *anything* that isn't in wikipedia. 23:34 < eym> mareklug hahahahahahaha 23:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> point is even blogs have rules everyone follow 23:34 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ if so, that is even more off kilter. You justify your article by saying that you like to write. Well, fine, wrote on your own blog, kindly. How could that be construed as rude? I mean, if you want me to be rude -- strictly for the purposes of illustration -- I shall oblige forthwith. 23:34 < TeeTylerToe> you can't trust anything on wikipedia. Fact. I read it on wikipedia. 23:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia of course has quality control on content 23:35 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> ToAruShiroiNeko: you should be ashamed of yourself! 23:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I should? That implies I have shame of any kind. 23:36 < TeeTylerToe> cats have no shame. Particularly japanese cats 23:36 < koishi> wikipedia doesn't really have quality control, heh 23:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jokes aside, if you want to write as you see fit, start your own website but even then you need to obey laws governing your content. 23:36 < eym> Firefly67 Thank you for being patient and helpful. I appreciate it. 23:36 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> ToAruShiroiNeko are you a cat? 23:36 < koishi> what they have is a certain idea that all must follow 23:36 < koishi> that's one way of doing it, but... 23:37 < TeeTylerToe> well one of the big tenents of wp is that it's not censored except when it is 23:37 < Firefly67> NP eym, are you in the US? 23:37 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Mareklug: I don't find you rude. *he* does. 23:37 < eym> Firefly67 yes I am 23:38 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ well, then. Thank heaven for small favors. We now have to work on HIM to effect attitude adjustment. 23:38 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Yeah, Eym thinks you are rude. 23:38 < mareklug> UnknownNinjaNN2_ there is no reason to repeat the unneccessary. 23:38 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Not sure why? 23:39 < dtm_> < TeeTylerToe> you can't trust anything on wikipedia. Fact. I read it on wikipedia. <-- and who is telling you *that*?! your brain. COI?? 23:40 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> NOTICE: PLEASE STOP USING THIS USERS FULL NAME. IT MESSES UP HIS BROWSER. THIS IS IN CAPS SO PEOPLE SEE IT THIS TIME. 23:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ I am saying that 23:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia is also saying that 23:40 < D_> UnknownNinjaNN2_: Sorry, what? 23:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia is NOT a reliable source 23:40 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko: Hodgkins, IL, United States 06/03/2013 7:50 P.M Arrival Scan 23:41 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: who's telling you to say that?!! your brain. COI????! 23:41 < TeeTylerToe> Wikipedia is simply less unreliable than many other "reliable" sources 23:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hodgkins airport? 23:41 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> D_: is that supposed to be funny? I don't find it funny! 23:41 < dtm_> wikipedia is the worst system we have today. except all the other systems. 23:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> welcome to ilinois? 23:41 < koishi> teetylertoe: that's the weird thing 23:41 < D_> dtm_: Didn't Gödel have a theorem about this? 23:41 < mareklug> there is no airport in hodgkins, unless you mean someone's Apple Airport. 23:42 < eym> As for mareklug, Wikipedia is attempting to be a collection of all knowledge. You do not get to decide which and whose knowledge is acceptable. mareklug I hope you find better things to do with your time. Thank you to those who are here to help. Goodnight. 23:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug OH you ment your cables :D 23:42 < koishi> all the non-sourced stuff that gets into articles, plus wikipedia's general guidelines on how to write, ends up making it overall better most sources 23:42 < Firefly67> eym, come back in the morning 23:42 < dtm_> D_: i dont know; i'd have to look it up on wikipedia if it's worth knowing 23:42 < mareklug> eym why don't you, young one, read up on what Wikipedia is not, and on other related topics, such as notability. 23:42 < koishi> s/all/some 23:42 -!- eym [43a0e72f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.160.231.47] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:42 < Firefly67> eym, go to -help in the morning, people are polite and civil, won't be rude to you and will help you 23:43 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Koishi ? 23:43 < mareklug> Firefly67 now, YOUR attempt to shortcircuit this instruction of mine is rude. 23:43 < dtm_> mareklug: you. sir. have skillfully achieved the award of ONE internet tonight. well done, sir. WELL DONE. 23:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ you mean achievement unlocked? 23:43 < mareklug> dtm kind thank yous, sir. 23:43 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: that is precisely what i mean to say 23:43 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Dtm_ what acievement is that? 23:44 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: *precisely*. 1up 1up 1up 23:44 < dtm_> mareklug is one smooth operator. 23:44 < dtm_> and this, ladies and gentlemen, is how irc is done. 23:44 * ToAruShiroiNeko wants to listen to smooth criminal now 23:44 * dtm_ golf clap 23:44 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: To YouTube(tm)!!! 23:45 * ToAruShiroiNeko imagines mareklug copying MJ's dance 23:45 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: MJ or AAF? 23:45 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: or a TAS of Moonwalker on Genesis? 23:45 * UnknownNinjaNN2_ is still waiting for an IRC channel to discuss Nintendo Nightmare 23:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> MJ forever 23:45 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko the only entertainment figure I shall copy any dances from is my Avril Lavigne. 23:45 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: hey what's the score in turkey? who's winning? i just had turkey for dinner, which lost, to me. but. are you updating wikipedia with your big brane? 23:46 < funnyfarm299> I saw some pretty good street dancers this weejend 23:46 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:46 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has quit [Changing host] 23:46 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:46 < dtm_> some ambiguitry could be present 23:46 < dtm_> disambig required in my particular situation 23:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm_ probably Iran is winning 23:46 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> MartijnHH what is HH? 23:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Syria's Assad too 23:47 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: k 23:47 < UnknownNinjaNN2_> Is everyone ignoring me? 23:47 < Firefly67> UnknownNinjaNN2_ : create your own channel for nintendo 23:47 < dtm_> Lord willin. 23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I cannot fathom the real world consequences if the conflict is sustained. 23:48 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: :\ 23:48 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: i am touched at how much you care 23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> white house doesnt comment on protests three times normally 23:48 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: sincerely. 23:48 < Firefly67> UnknownNinja go to #nintendo. There are 3 people there 23:48 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I can -- a violent revolution in turkey, which is then aborted by the military who make it for a typical Turkish military dictatorship. 23:48 < dtm_> ToAruShiroiNeko: i told my significant other about it today because of what you've told me 23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug the millitary would never do that. 23:49 < TeeTylerToe> Joining #Nintendo makes your body property of nintendo corporation 23:49 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko yes, Hodgkins, IL is a major distribution center and a waypoint for UPS logistics. 23:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug why would the millitary try to protect people (politicians) that actively try to destroy them? 23:52 -!- Jamesofur is now known as Jamesofur|away 23:52 < TeeTylerToe> why would governments harm their citizens? 23:52 -!- UnknownNinjaNN2_ is now known as NNRemaker 23:53 < dtm_> :-I 23:53 < NNRemaker> Because the government is crazy or greedy or both. 23:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NNRemaker it is probably all in the name of decency 23:56 < NNRemaker> Yep, pride was the third one I was trying to think of. 23:56 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko if the violent revolution does happen, and results in major lawlessness and violence, yes, of course the military will step in. 23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug last time they did that millitary was put on trial for having the audacity of doing that 23:57 < NNRemaker> Mareklug: BUT they should try not to hurt people if possible. 23:58 < mareklug> you and I both know that the military in Turkey styles itself as the protector of the aspirations of Attaturk for a westernized democracy 23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there was a KGB&CIA induced civil anarchy back then 23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug not anymore 23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> such commanders had been jailed for years now 23:58 -!- NNRemaker [638cc8a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.140.200.160] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> millitary feels betrayed by the people for abandoning them to jailtime 23:59 -!- Mr-ex777 is now known as DogTheColorful --- Log closed Tue Jun 04 00:00:18 2013