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--- Log opened Tue May 21 00:00:22 2013
--- Day changed Tue May 21 2013
00:00 < bazinga> SudoGhost: yes
00:01 < SudoGhost> Also, if someone declares on Wikipedia that they are a specific person, is it outing to mention their location in an SPI if it matches an IP address's geolocation?  Outing is the kind of thing I don't want to get wrong, so i wanted to ask before I opened an SPI.
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00:01 < Bsadowski1> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3164/
00:01 < Bsadowski1> xD
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00:02 < bazinga> SudoGhost: no
00:02 < bazinga> they made that information public
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00:04 < SudoGhost> Thanks.  Just wanted to cover my bases there.
00:04 < mareklug> you misspelled "ass"
00:04 < SudoGhost> Slightly related, IMDB is under copyright, right?  Not CC-BY-SA or any sort of copyleft license?
00:05 < Revent> Yup.
00:05 < SudoGhost> There's a copyright notice at the bottom, so I assume it's just regular copyright, but I reverted a copy-paste from there as a copyvio.
00:05 < Revent> "http://www.imdb.com/help/show_article?conditions"
00:06 < Revent> Specifically "Your License to IMDb: If you do post content or submit material, and unless we indicate otherwise, you grant IMDb a nonexclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the wo
00:06 < Revent> rld in any media."
00:06 < SudoGhost> Wow...
00:06 < SudoGhost> okay.
00:07 < Revent> Yeah, they hired a lawyer. :)
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00:08 < mareklug> that passage is highly irrelevant to the question, as it does no in the least answer what license IMDb grants to YOU.
00:08 < Revent> Actually....it means that anything on IMDB doesn't belong to them...it's licensed from the original author...
00:09 < Revent> i.e. 'confused copyright'...unusable.
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00:12 < Revent> FWIW, the actual 'we own this' is at the very /top/ of the page I linked.
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00:18 < Revent> !editcount Revent
00:18 < Revent> Oh lol, wrong chan.
00:20 < SudoGhost> The edit count of [[User:Revent]] is 42/0
00:22 < bazinga> http://youtu.be/g17-ajFXNS8?t=1m7s you sound like your mouth is comfortably numb, as is the guitarist's fingers
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00:24 < SudoGhost> Ouch
00:24 < Revent> SudoGhost: Pretty much... lol.
00:24 < SudoGhost> I was going to say I was bad in high school, but I don't think I was ever that bad.
00:24 < SudoGhost> At least not in front of other people.
00:26 < SudoGhost> I had my headphones up really loud too... :(
00:28 < bazinga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw
00:28 < bazinga> this is a funny song
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00:32 < dekiss> hi guys look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS fix this asap :) look about definition of dos operating system :)
00:33 < Revent> *peers*
00:34 < Revent> *lol* edited
00:35 < Revent> Lemme proof the rest.
00:36 < Revent> Yeah...just the one looks like.
00:36 < dekiss> :D
00:37 < SudoGhost> Revent: I reverted it a little further, since there were some name changes in there.
00:38 < Revent> kk, yeah, I was just hitting the 'obvious' thing first.
00:38 < SudoGhost> Yeah, it was all the same editor http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DOS&diff=556028880&oldid=555241374
00:39 < Revent> Gotcha, I hadn't dug that far past the tw edits..
00:40 < SudoGhost> Yeah, I just want and looked at the difference between the current version and the version that was before any edits today and that's how I saw that.
00:42 < Revent> (chuckles) reading that article brings back memories...
00:43 < bazinga> SudoGhost: don't be the pope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTIorwtJbhE
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00:50 < SudoGhost> bazinga: Not to worry, I'm Buddhist and I don't care for hats.
00:53 < Revent> That was....awesome. :)
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00:54 < Revent> *lols* I think I might have killed helpmebot...
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00:55 < SudoGhost> Reminds me of George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNkkko4vlBs
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01:33 < Revent> *thanks Moskau :)
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01:45 < mareklug> this week's Indonesian boeing 737 runway overrun on landing http://avherald.com/h?article=4628cba0&opt=4096
01:47 < Revent> *lols* Ya know the sad part of that? Not the overrun landing....
01:47 < Revent> The state of the 'overrun area' at that airport... 8(
01:48 < Revent> How many do they have?
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01:51 < Steven_Zhang> evening
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01:52 < Steven_Zhang> holy shit
01:52 < Steven_Zhang> what happened in Oklahoma
01:52 < legoktm> hey Steven_Zhang
01:52 < legoktm> and :(
01:52 < Steven_Zhang> huge ass tornado?
01:53 < Steven_Zhang> It's times like this I'm glad I don't live in the US
01:53 < Steven_Zhang> we don't get tornadoes here
01:53 < Steven_Zhang> or hurricanes
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01:53 < Revent> Yeah, OKC got squished.
01:54 < Revent> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/us/tornado-oklahoma.html
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01:54 < Steven_Zhang> apparently it was up to 2 miles wide
01:54 < Steven_Zhang> that's massive.
01:54 < Steven_Zhang> and speeds of over 300km/hr?
01:55 < Steven_Zhang> can't outrun that.
01:56 < Revent> Ye...crrect response is to climb in a hole and pull it in after you. :)
01:56 < Revent> *correct
01:57 < Revent> Steven_Zhang: Have you ever seen "Twister"?
01:57 < Steven_Zhang> yeah.
01:57 < Steven_Zhang> I actually think I have it on DVD.
01:57 < Revent> It's actually pretty factual....
01:57 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOtable_Tornado_Observatory
01:58 < Revent> aka "Dorothy" in the movie.
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01:59 < Steven_Zhang> heh, so it's real
01:59 < Revent> 'logistical difficulty' is a euphemism for some 'interesting' videos... :)
01:59 < Steven_Zhang> i think if i ever see a real tornado
01:59 < Steven_Zhang> i'd shit bricks
02:00 < Revent> These guys are seriously nuts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Intercept_Vehicle
02:00 < Revent> It mounts an IMAX camera.
02:00 < Revent> http://www.tornadoalleymovie.com/
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02:04 < Steven_Zhang> just imagine the insurance premiums payable at tornado alley
02:05 < Revent> Heh....I think I remember them having financial issues with the IMAX camera, actually.
02:06 < Revent> "It’s true. You can’t just walk into the Department of Motor Vehicles, there’s no box to check that says you’ve built a tank, you know? I made the mistake when I went to the DMV of bringing a picture of TIV2. And, at that point, it was game over. They said, “I’m sorry, sir, you’re going to have to take this matter to California Highway Patrol.” And
02:06 < Revent>  so I was very nervous, because, you know, it’s the California Highway Patrol. Your pulse always quickens when they pull up behind you on the road. But they were actually fine about the whole thing and they didn’t see anything wrong with it. They give it a classification of a special-built vehicle, a multi-purpose vehicle code, which was the most l
02:06 < Revent> enient classification they could have given it."
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02:07 < Revent> *heh*
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02:43 < ventiEventi> Hi all
02:45 < Solarra> h
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03:14 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi
03:14 < wctaiwan> go to bed
03:15 < legoktm> lol
03:15 < legoktm> [02:30:12 AM] <+legoktm>	 GO TO SLEEP
03:16 < SigmaWP> night
03:16 < SigmaWP> what the dick it's
03:16 < SigmaWP> 3
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03:58 < Vogone> is there any enwiki oversighter channel?
03:59 < wctaiwan> Vogone: there's one for revdel, but for OS it's probably quickest to just email
03:59 < NotASpy> Vogone: we can revdel stuff whilst it's waiting to be oversighted.
03:59 < wctaiwan> http://www.dw.de/image/0,,16742507_403,00.jpg John Kerry looks comical
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04:32 < BobTheWikipedian> are pigs flying this morning?
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04:33 < kondi> BobTheWikipedian: yes
04:33 < BobTheWikipedian> ah. that explains it.
04:33 < wctaiwan> Pigs in Oklahoma, maybe :/
04:33 < BobTheWikipedian> i am looking at "about:newtab" in my aurora browser
04:34 < BobTheWikipedian> i see facebook, the grimm, wiki, wiktionary, subfinderonline, inaturalist, google translate, runescape, pandora, and google maps
04:34 < BobTheWikipedian> oops "grimm, wiki" is "grimm wiki"
04:36 < BobTheWikipedian> it would seem enwiki fell off the page :o
04:36 < elkng> Koi|away: "That thing is fucking huge", what thing ? is there a picture ?
04:37 < dekiss> are you guys employees in wikipedia?
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04:37 < BobTheWikipedian> i wish
04:37  * Ironholds waves
04:37 < Ironholds> I am, sorta.
04:37 < BobTheWikipedian> i am an employee, and in wikipedia, but these two roles are unrelated
04:37 < dekiss> :) ok
04:37 < Ironholds> and (spookily) am currently triaging candidates for these community liaison jobs.
04:37 < BobTheWikipedian> i am employed by a school system
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04:38 < dekiss> ahm
04:38 < BobTheWikipedian> and my job has nothing to do with wikipedia
04:38 < dekiss> lol this morning i saw one error
04:38 < BobTheWikipedian> but i edit wikipedia sometimes
04:38 < dekiss> haha it was so funny
04:38 < wctaiwan> hey Ironholds
04:38 < dekiss> it got fixed immeadetly after i post it here :)
04:38 < BobTheWikipedian> not often enough it would seem, aurora forgot to list it in my top nine sites
04:38 < BobTheWikipedian> :P
04:38 < wctaiwan> are you getting colleagues or getting replaced :p
04:38 < BobTheWikipedian> top of the morning to you ollie
04:39 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: 'both'.
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04:39 < wctaiwan> getting a promotion, then? :)
04:39 < Ironholds> the idea is we'll hire more mes, and I'll then spend a couple of months socialising the visualeditor and giving them all my duties.
04:39 < wctaiwan> ah.
04:39 < BobTheWikipedian> ooo cool
04:39 < Ironholds> I just need to find a way to pause the process before 'getting new duties' and after 'handing all my old ones off'
04:39  * Ironholds cackles, rubs hands
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04:41 < BobTheWikipedian> why is it wikipedia's date articles are MMMM d as opposed to d MMMM?
04:41 < Ironholds> because americans are silly
04:41 < BobTheWikipedian> this has been bugging me
04:41 < Ironholds> ;p
04:41 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: indeed. Business Analyst, looks like.
04:41 < BobTheWikipedian> May 21
04:41 < BobTheWikipedian> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
04:41 < BobTheWikipedian>   (Redirected from 21 May)
04:41 < wctaiwan> nothing wrong with YYYY/MM/DD.
04:42 < Ironholds> Technically Senior Business Analyst, but also Junior Business Analyst, and also the only Business Analyst.
04:42 < wctaiwan> so more data crunching in R?
04:43 < Ironholds> yes and no. So, the last piece of BAwerk I did involved a lot of R to set it up, but most of it was then going through and mind-numbingly hand-coding 2,000 revisions.
04:43 < Ironholds> and then writing it up into something that made sense.
04:43 < wctaiwan> eeh.
04:43 < wctaiwan> well, good luck.
04:43 < Ironholds> See https://github.com/Ironholds/WikimediaAnalytics/blob/master/MessageSample/MessageSample.r and https://github.com/Ironholds/WikimediaAnalytics/blob/master/MessageSample/SampleBreakdown.r
04:44 < Ironholds> that last one was fun to write. Working out a way to produce a context-dependent graph for every possible subset under a set of conditions
04:47 < wctaiwan> judging from the comments you still find coding fun.
04:47 < wctaiwan> That's a Good Thing.
04:48 < Ironholds> I do, very much so.
04:48 < wctaiwan> (when you don't, you cease writing comments except where absolutely necessary)
04:48 < Ironholds> noooo.
04:48 < Ironholds> comments are good.
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04:48 < Ironholds> I'm tired of seeing code without any comments.
04:48 < tommorris> Ironholds: comments are good, except...
04:48 < wctaiwan> you'd hate my code then :p
04:48 < tommorris> # setting x to 5
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04:48 < tommorris> var x = 5
04:48 < tommorris> # have now set x to 5
04:48 < wctaiwan> hah
04:48 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: If anyone else is going to see it, you should write comments
04:49 < tommorris> a lot of developers seem to think that is useful
04:49 < wctaiwan> classic beiginner's overadjustment
04:49 < tommorris> my preferred comments...
04:49 < Ironholds> tommorris: those devs are dumb. but.
04:49 < Ironholds> if it's #setting seed value
04:49 < Ironholds> #var x = 5
04:49 < Ironholds> *-#
04:49 < Ironholds> that's helpful. Demonstrates why the value of X is important.
04:49 < tommorris> # I worked hard on this shit, and unless you've understood the complexities listed in §3.1.8374 of the RDF 1.1 Semantics document, step the fuck back and don't fuck with this code or I'll rip your balls off. -tom
04:49 < tommorris> ^ that's how you write comments
04:50 < Ironholds> please tell me you didn't write that.
04:50 < tommorris> I have written comments very similar to it.
04:50 < wctaiwan> tommorris: //This code was hard to write. It's only fair that it should be hard to read, as well.
04:50 < Ironholds> I never thought it would be /me/ saying this to anyone, but: have you considered being less of an asshole?
04:50 < Ironholds> ;p
04:50 < tommorris> Ironholds: I'll be less of an arsehole when other developers stop being so incompetent. ;)
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04:51 < Ironholds> tommorris: have you considered the possibility that arseholery for experienced devs has a relationship with the incompetence of neophytes?
04:51 < wctaiwan> Ironholds: http://pastebin.com/j0umiTq0 a typical specimen of my current coding style.
04:51 < Ironholds> specifically, that people being a total dick to you is a really good reason to give up on getting better at something.
04:52 < wctaiwan> basically, if you're a coder you'd know what I'm doing. But good luck if you aren't.
04:52 < tommorris> Ironholds: oh sure, but when you are at work and there are other people who are being paid to be competent, I have good reason to expect them to be competent.
04:52 < Ironholds> oh, totally
04:52 < Ironholds> but you probably don't aide their willingness to listen to you by being a dick ;p
04:52 < Ironholds> my traditional analogy is: if I punch you in the face and then explain why, you're not listening to my explanation. You're going 'ow!'
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04:53 < Steven_Zhang> heh
04:53 < Steven_Zhang> You'd probably do that.
04:53 < wctaiwan> It's.. not quite like that, I think, at least with programming. There's this respect for learning things properly and doing your own research.
04:53 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: okay. and if you do your own research and are still stumped?
04:54 < wctaiwan> not so much handholding and being nice about it all.
04:54 < wctaiwan> then you show your work and ask good questions.
04:54 < Ironholds> it's not /about/ handholding. It's about this; if you want people to be efficient there has to be an 'and then?' beyond 'I did research and couldn't find anything'
04:54 < tommorris> Ironholds: I actually don't swear in code that much, but when there's something that's actually quite hard and I've spent days thinking about it, I think it's fair warning to put a comment saying "actually, this is doing something rather subtle and complicated and there's no way of making it any simpler, so unless you are prepared to do the same, then beware of alligators"
04:54 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: sure. and if you find the person you're talking to terrifying, angry and prone to violent threats?
04:55 < Ironholds> I'm not saying it's the way programming culture works. I'm saying the way programming culture works, if your statement is representative, is potentially limiting.
04:55 < Ironholds> tommorris: totally reasonable, but possibly not with threats of castration ;p
04:55 < wctaiwan> I'm not saying it's representative, anyway, I think this is a tangent.
04:56 < Ironholds> okie-dokes. Just saying; you want people to ask good questions, they have to have the spine or confidence to vocalise them, and you don't win that with angriness.
04:58 < tommorris> Ironholds: sometimes the answer to the question is "this shit is hard, I can't really explain it to you because I don't quite know how I pulled it off myself"
05:00 < wctaiwan> Ironholds: does freenode have a channel on R?
05:01 < wctaiwan> (and have you ever asked about things there)
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05:02 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: no idea, and no, I use my friend Adam when I'm truly stumped
05:03 < wctaiwan> ah, okay.
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05:03 < Ironholds> tommorris: which is totally fine
05:03 < wctaiwan> I was going to say that if there was, what I'm talking about (and possibly misrepresenting) would be the sort of attitude you'd see there, if it's anything like the other programming channels.
05:05 < wctaiwan> They'll answer questions, but don't expect them to tell you things if you're just too lazy to try it out, or if you're just throwing a problem at them without any prior effort.
05:05 < wctaiwan> I learned the hard way. >.> Some people never did.
05:05 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: but the person to judge whether the question is easy or difficult to answer, and therefore their response, is /them/. People who know what they're doing and have long experience.
05:06 < Ironholds> they're frankly not qualified to judge if a question is difficult for a neophyte, any more than the editors who go "anyone who can't learn a markup language in 2013 to add a citation is clearly clinically retarded" are qualified to talk.
05:06 < Ironholds> and a lot of getting the answer from research is, in my experience, not to do with the question but to do with how the question is formed.
05:06 < wctaiwan> it's not the difficulty. It's the effort.
05:06 < Ironholds> what words and terminology you use. And that's something a newb has to struggle through.
05:06  * Ironholds is trying to think of an illustration
05:07 < Ironholds> plotting. Asking "how do I plot a Lorenz curve in ggplot2" is the wrong question.
05:07 < Ironholds> the right question is "how do I get lattice-based graphs to accept coordinate-based input" or, alternately, "how do I get ggplot2 to accept functions in processing the inputted data"
05:08 < Ironholds> the second set of questions are right. The first question is the problem that the newb is trying to solve for.
05:08 < Ironholds> (I use this example because it bugged me for an age - actually, I've still not worked out the answer, but that's because Lc() has an oddly specific data format that isn't really used anywhere else)
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05:09 < wctaiwan> honestly I think I'm just misrepresenting the situation. There's nothing wrong with being nice to newbies, and I truly think the channels are helpful enough if you show that you are actually trying to learn, not just to have your homework done for you.
05:11 < Ironholds> agreed with the first statement, can't speak to the second
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05:11 < wctaiwan> in your case, experienced programmers would generally help you narrow down a question to what you actually don't know, as well.
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05:13 < janek34234> where can i report error in a wikipedia image?
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05:14 < QueenOfFrance> janek34234: either here or in #wikimedia-commons if it's an image from commons
05:14 < QueenOfFrance> Alternatively you could try #wikipedia-en-help
05:15 < janek34234> QueenOfFrance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euronorms_Diesel.png
05:15 < janek34234> last updated in 2006
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05:21 < janek34234> QueenOfFrance: i don't expect anyone here to fix it
05:21 < janek34234> I just thought there'd be a wikipedia page to report such errors
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05:26 < smtchahal> Someone incorrectly AfDed a Wikipedia-space page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Creative_strategies_in_advertising about a month ago and didn't even put the required templates, nor transcluded it to where it should've been, that could draw someone's attention. I would have moved that page to Wikipedia:Miscellary for deletion, but I am not sure that's what I should do. The "AfD is going" template still exists 
05:27 < smtchahal> *moved it to MFD; not literally at that title, of course...
05:29 < Ironholds> huh?
05:29 < Ironholds> [[Creative strategies in advertising]] is not in the Wikipedia namespace
05:30 < wctaiwan> I think he means that the AfD was never properly listed?
05:30 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: read the first eight words of the statement ;p
05:31 < wctaiwan> oh.
05:31 < wctaiwan> bother >.>
05:31 < Ironholds> and indeed, but it shouldn't be moved to MfD.
05:31 < Ironholds> Just list it properly.
05:31 < smtchahal> Ah....
05:31 < smtchahal> That *is* a mainspace article...
05:32 < Qcoder00> Afternoon
05:32 < smtchahal> But still has been AfDed weirdly...
05:32 < wctaiwan> smtchahal: wikipedia space generally refers to project space.
05:32 < smtchahal> No tranclusion, no required templates, nothing to draw discussion at al...
05:33 < smtchahal> I do know; idk how I missed it.
05:33 < smtchahal> Wikipedia:<Something here>; yeah I do know.
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05:33 < smtchahal> I guess I just presented an example of WP:EPICFAIL.
05:33 < smtchahal> Though I didn't *do* anything.
05:34 < smtchahal> (gladly)
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05:35 < smtchahal> Who's willing to fix that mess, anyway?
05:35 < wctaiwan> I don't know how to.
05:35 < wctaiwan> I list all my AfDs with twinkle
05:36 < smtchahal> Well, me too...
05:36 < smtchahal> My first one was an exception to this, though.
05:38 < smtchahal> One could just copy the format from existing, ongoing AfDs, right?
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05:38 < smtchahal> Wait; one also needs to transclude it to the today's AfD log page.
05:38 < smtchahal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2013_May_21
05:39 < kelapstick> I can do it
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05:41 < kelapstick> listed on todays, left a comment on the discussion
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05:54 < a930913> Anybody want to stop this suggestion turning into tumbleweed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#General_Cleanup_Service_for_Bots
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06:01 < Betacommand> a930913: I would never use such a tool
06:01 < a930913> Betacommand: o/
06:02 < a930913> Betacommand: Why not?
06:02 < Betacommand> a930913: would make debugging a pain in the ass
06:03 < Betacommand> was that error introduced in my code or the cleanup? if its in the cleanup I cannot fix it, I have to file a ticket and wait
06:03 < a930913> Betacommand: What debugging would be obscured by it?
06:04 < a930913> Betacommand: Some log would say what the cleanup changed.
06:04 < a930913> Perhaps even hold before and afters for some period.
06:04 < Betacommand> a930913: do you have any idea how big and useless that log will become really quickly?
06:05 < a930913> Betacommand: It could return a short debug string to put in the edit summary.
06:05 < Betacommand> a930913: Ive got ~1000 lines of code that are run on every wiki page that I process to cleanup/adjust things
06:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Betacommand I dont know, logs can always be used to make furniture
06:06  * wctaiwan turns ToAruShiroiNeko into a desk
06:06 < a930913> Like <Rl> could mean refs fixed, list fixed etc.
06:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan so I have a use?
06:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cheers!
06:06 < a930913> Betacommand: And its code like that that could be put into a central repository for all to use.
06:07 < Betacommand> a930913: define "ref fixed" I have about 12 different things I do to references on any given page
06:07 < Betacommand> a930913: then you run into cross language coding isuses
06:08 < Betacommand> templates are another dozen or two processes
06:08 < a930913> Betacommand: Obviously I'm over generalising, but assign each task a character. You get the idea?
06:08 < Betacommand> a930913: So you end up with a string like AKHNSQWERJTOQ98U4T AHD FGJHASERTUYQ that makes your edit summary almost useless
06:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Betacommand why not color code it too :P
06:10 < Qcoder00> Hi betacommand
06:10 < Betacommand> ToAruShiroiNeko: ??
06:10 < Qcoder00> Anyy good with UI tweaks?
06:10 < Qcoder00> PM please
06:10 < a930913> Betacommand: That's just appended on. So "migrating wiki link [[WP:foo/debug|Debug: A$FJG3FGsjfSjs]]
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06:11 < Betacommand> a930913: how do you thing the average user will understand that?
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06:12 < a930913> Betacommand: By clicking or ignoring.
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06:13 < a930913> Betacommand: And if you don't want that, then log the few bytes in a DB and return an ID to put somewhere.
06:13 < tommorris> or just log anything the bot wants to log to a DB along with a reference to the diff ID
06:15 < Betacommand> a930913: trust me it might be a good idea in theory but sucks in practice
06:15 < a930913> tommorris: There is no diff ID yet. Though the old ID could be sent to generate a log.
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06:18 < a930913> Betacommand: Assuming everything was logged so you could see everything that your bot sent in. Would it still suck?
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06:23 < Betacommand> a930913: yes
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06:24 < Betacommand> To make it log enough data to successfully debug a complex issue the logging database would quickly become sever GB
06:25 < Betacommand> *several
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06:32 < a930913> Betacommand: GB of log is not much of a cost for such a project.
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06:38 < Betacommand> a930913: it becomes unwieldy and bloated exponentially degrading its usefulness
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06:39 < Betacommand> Also if someone changes the code to "fix" one thing and it breaks something else the bot op will take the shit, not the person who broke the bot
06:41 < Betacommand> a930913: see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/too_many_cooks_spoil_the_broth
06:42 < Betacommand> Its often very minor changes that can cause a shitstorm of issues
06:44 < a930913> Betacommand: We'll make a nice banner saying that the bot uses this cleanup and the botop can just forward the shit to the cleanup page.
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06:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Betacommand dont bugs in code cause wars?
06:49  * a930913 throws a brick at ToAruShiroiNeko.
06:49 < a930913> Sorry, bug ;)
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06:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I was bricked?
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06:56  * petan bricks
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06:58 < Theo10011> heh
06:58 < Theo10011> http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/i-want-that-things-12.jpg
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06:59 < Betacommand> a930913: that will go about as well as passing yellow painted crap, as gold
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06:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 can we have lasers to shoot down tornados?
07:00 < Theo10011> only if you finish your vegetables and pray really really hard.
07:00 < kelapstick> And Invent tornado shooting lasers
07:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> vegtables?
07:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 what vegtables?
07:01 < Theo10011> the yucky kind
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07:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Carnivores sleep all day and eat all night
07:02 < Theo10011> They are on drugs!
07:02 < Theo10011> shhh
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07:07 < a930913> Any counter vandals around?
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07:09 < GorillaWarfare> a930913: Yeah, what's up
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07:10 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: I can't keep up, that's what.
07:10 < GorillaWarfare> Hah
07:10 < GorillaWarfare> Yeah
07:10 < GorillaWarfare> It happens
07:10 < a930913> I'm radioing for backup :p
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07:16 < QuelqueChoseRose> any Commons sysops about?
07:18 < Theo10011> http://www.larknews.com/archives/217
07:18 < Theo10011> QuelqueChoseRose, try #wikimedia-commons
07:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter you around?
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07:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare actually you could help me with this too probably
07:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you have a moment?
07:20 < GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: Pooossibly
07:20 < GorillaWarfare> I'm going into a meeting in five minutes, so is it quick? :P
07:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
07:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I pm
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07:46 < QuelqueChoseRose> hmmm... if you go to "User:Special:foo", you get an exception error
07:47 < Ironholds> ...yes?
07:47 < QuelqueChoseRose> why?
07:48 < Ironholds> I imagine because User: and Special: are both prefixes that identify different, exclusory classes of page.
07:48 < QuelqueChoseRose> doesn't happen on any other projects
07:49 < QuelqueChoseRose> (well, I checked Wikidata, en.ws, fr.wp, and simple.wp)
07:49 < QuelqueChoseRose> and User:Wikipedia:foo doesn't generate any errors
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07:58 < Ironholds> huh
07:58 < a930913> Dammit, somebody ban me until I revise D:
07:58 < YuviPanda> hmm
07:58  * YuviPanda bans a930913
07:58 < Ironholds> okay!
07:58  * Mdann52 bans a930913 from editing 
07:59 < kondi> YuviPanda is back!
07:59 < Mdann52> a930913, not the smartest thing to say with old Ironholds about.....
07:59 < YuviPanda> for now :)
07:59  * YuviPanda bans Ironholds
07:59 < Ironholds> Mdann52: I'm 22, you cheeky bastard!
07:59 < Ironholds> ;p
07:59  * a930913 goes to revise until he gets distracted.
08:00 < Mdann52> :D
08:00 < kondi> YuviPanda: and best of luck for those remaining tests :)
08:00 < kondi> I have to go now
08:00 < YuviPanda> thank you :)
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08:00 < QuelqueChoseRose> Ironholds: should i file a bug? doesn't interfere with anything, really (was just a typo on my part that made me notice it), but it could be indicative of a larger issue i suppose
08:01 < Mdann52> Ironholds, yes, but your an ainchant one to Wikipedia :D
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08:08 < Ironholds> QuelqueChoseRose: if you want, but it's not going to be high-priority ;p
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08:09 < mareklug> Discover credit card abolishes foreign currency conversion fees for all.  The time of global marketplace has arrived for the little people.
08:09 < QuelqueChoseRose> lol i know :) 3 of the 4 bugs i've filed are still UNCO, so whatever. still, better to have it marked down somewhere than nowhere at all.
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08:11 < kelapstick> mareklug: do places still take Discover card?
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08:11 < mareklug> kelapstick "still"?  they are now taking Discover outside USA
08:11 < kelapstick> really? nowhere I have been.
08:11 < mareklug> kelapstick it is by far the most reasonable credit company of the many I have been a customer of, well, American Express is there also.
08:12 < Ironholds> nowhere I've been
08:12 < Ironholds> and over here, Amex is a loathed company
08:12 < mareklug> Ironholds not in SF?
08:12 < Ironholds> mareklug: which is not outside the USA? ;p
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08:12 < kelapstick> American Express charges retailers fees that are double Master Card and Visa
08:12 < a930913> I lasted 13 minutes!
08:12 < Moskau> a930913: TMI.
08:13 < Ironholds> kelapstick: and you win a point. Used to work in a store? ;p
08:13 < mareklug> Ironholds Discover is  ubiquitous in the USA.  And now, it turns out, linked to oodles of other such in the world.  And now for us happy Merkins, first normal use card that won't charge you 3% fee for buying at amazon.co.uk or bidding and winning on Ebay.uk.  Etcetera.
08:13 < mareklug> No need to disparage anything, kelapstick Ironholds
08:13 < Moskau> That explains the signs everywhere in Schipol saying that they don't take American Express.
08:13 < kelapstick> my parents own/owned their own businesses (restaurant now)
08:14 < Ironholds> kelapstick: cool! I used to work in a small deli
08:14 < TheDruId> I'm not sure I've ever seen a Discover card.
08:15 < Moskau> I've never heard of that.
08:15 < mareklug> Ironholds here is a simple clue:  link any card that is US based to your confirmed PayPal account and you can use it anywhere worldwide.  Discover included.
08:15 < Ironholds> mareklug: that's not a clue, and I don't have such a card
08:15 < kelapstick> I have never seen anywhere that accepted Discover accepted in Beijing, Australia, or Mongolia, a few places in Canada do I think. I will check the shops at the airports in Istanbul and London and get back to you in a few weeks.
08:15 < mareklug> and that is not counting the aforementioned credit card aliances iwth the European/Asian cards I mentioned
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08:18 < mareklug> https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/account/international-use.html  kelapstick  Ironholds
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08:19 < kelapstick> OK, UK, Japan, China
08:20 < mareklug> https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/faqs/europe.html#q1
08:20 < kelapstick> and in the other countries shown, provided you are at a store that accepts it
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08:21 < mareklug> well you know that if you are a hapless European with a MaestroCard and try to buy something in the US, you are shit out of luck?  so it works both ways.
08:21 < Ironholds> mareklug: we were talking about AmEx
08:21 < mareklug> I only menitoned AmEx in passing, in the context of being an extremely reasonable and friendly card to ME, the customer.
08:21 < mareklug> we were talking Discover
08:22 < kelapstick> I was talking both
08:22 < QuelqueChoseRose> mareklug: you /are/ aware what "merkin" means, right?
08:22 < mareklug> anyway, I interrupted myself while adding Discover to my PenPal.  There is no reason not to use it for Ebay.uk and amazon.co.uk anymore.  or anything international that takes PenPal.
08:23 < mareklug> QuelqueChoseRose I would not use it otherwise
08:23 < QuelqueChoseRose> btw, anyone have any clue what component I should file this bug under?
08:24 < QuelqueChoseRose> mareklug: good ol' 'mer'can president Merkin Muffley? :)
08:24 < mareklug> yes, indeedee
08:28 < kelapstick> look at that, it's just about time to make lunch
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08:38 < QuelqueChoseRose> huh. 3 of my 5 bugs just got confirmed within the space of 2 hours.
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08:48 < smtchahal> Sorry to bother you people (because I know most of you are not here to help others), but can someone please tell me what would happen if my IP address (though not my user account) gets blocked (temporarily or otherwise) for vandalism? Not because I've ever committed vandalism as an IP, but because my IP address keeps changing almost every day, and I keep getting irrelevant messages (though none of those warnings have been above level 2 ("Ple
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08:50 < TheDruId> Wikimedia dispatches wikininjas. Sorry, I don't know.
08:50 < tommorris> smtchahal: if your IP is blocked, you may not be able to edit. if you are on a dynamic IP and you find yourself getting blocked, tell an admin and we can unblock that dynamic IP. or if it becomes a recurring problem, you can apply to be IP block exempt if you are reasonably trustworthy
08:51 < QuelqueChoseRose> smtchahal: although fortunately most IP blocks are anon-only
08:52 < QuelqueChoseRose> (though if for any reason you wanted to register a second account, that's more likely to be disabled)
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08:56 < smtchahal> I already have a second account, but I rarely use it.
08:56 < smtchahal> And I do know WP:SOCK#LEGIT.
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09:00 < smtchahal> tommorris: Suppose that I get blocked when on a dynamic (or rather any) IP. Now does that mean that I am allowed to access the login page but can't successfully log in to on a non-IP block excempt account (like the one I use)?
09:00 < smtchahal> (Given that it's that type block, of course)
09:01 < tommorris> smtchahal: I'm not sure. I'm an admin, so never really feel the effect of IP softblocks. ;)
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09:01 < Carly> MAREKLUG
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09:01 < Carly> :|
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09:05 < russavia> ToAruShiroiNeko see how arguments are framed? that's half the problem
09:06 < Carly> MAREKLUG !
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09:15 < Qcoder00> Question
09:15 < Qcoder00>  Does anyone here knwo who the Gideon's Are?
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09:15 < Dcoetzee> smtchahal1: You can always access the log in page and even log in, even with a blocked user.
09:16 < Dcoetzee> smtchahal1: You will just not be permitted to edit any page, except possibly your talk page.
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09:16 < mareklug> Qcoder00 it is a secret society that places bibles in hotel rooms
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09:16 < russavia> TIL Canada does not have a national bird
09:17 < Qcoder00> Not so secret
09:17 < smtchahal1> Dcoetzee: In the case only my IP address gets blocked?
09:17 < Dcoetzee> smtchahal1: If it is a soft block then you will still be able to edit normally after logging in with your user.
09:17 < Qcoder00> I was wondering if it was worth asking GLAM to get them to release certain materials they hold a nominal copyright to...
09:17 < Qcoder00> Such as historical accounts of their founding..
09:18 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Depends on the GLAM but some of them monetize those blurbs as part of their books and whatnot in their souvenir shops
09:18 < russavia> http://i.imgur.com/R2kUESu.png  mareklug i thought poland's national bird would have been a white eagle
09:18 < Qcoder00> Well ...
09:19 < Qcoder00> Surely Propogration of the gospel and histories of those that do is something that should not be tainted by avirace?
09:19 < Qcoder00> XD
09:19 < russavia> or an eagle at the very least
09:19 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: You haven't heard of irony? :-)
09:19 < Qcoder00> Of course not
09:19 < smtchahal1> Dcoetzee: I have (successfully) reported quite a few users at WP:ANI, but never bothered to check what kind of block was implented on them, so I'm not sure under what circumstances my IP address could get hard blocked.
09:19 < mareklug> russavia most storks in europe nest in Poland
09:20 < smtchahal1> I used to stay logged in to Wikipedia, but no more...
09:20 < smtchahal1> (upto 30 days as it allows, of course)
09:20 < Dcoetzee> smtchahal1: Let me be clear. No matter what kind of block is applied to your IP, that will never prevent you from logging in.
09:20 < Dcoetzee> Blocks prevent editing pages, not logging in.
09:21 < QuelqueChoseRose> I believe IP hardblocks usually only occur if there's evidence of multiple-account abuse
09:21 < Dcoetzee> And yes IP hardblocks are quite rare
09:21 < QuelqueChoseRose> especially if it's a dynamic range
09:21 < smtchahal1> Yes I did get it. But I guess I'd rather not log in at all than to find out that all I can edit is my talk page.
09:22 < Dcoetzee> smtchahal1: That is silly
09:22 < Dcoetzee> It's probably a soft block and you can still edit normally.
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09:22 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:  I thought the only hard block was on network infrastructure of a group that had systemically meat puppeted...
09:22 < Dcoetzee> If it is a hard block, it's probably temporary.
09:22 < QuelqueChoseRose> worst case scenario you have to go outside for a few hours while an admin or CU reviews your unblock request. and it's unlikely that'll even ever have to happen
09:23 < QuelqueChoseRose> Qcoder00: by whom you mean Scientologists?
09:23 < smtchahal1> I have nothing to worry about, then.
09:23 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:  I did not say that
09:23 < Dcoetzee> smtchahal1: Anyway there's no reason to speculate, tell us your username and we can tell you exactly what kind of block it is and why it happened
09:23 < Bsadowski1> You don't appear to be blocked, smtchahal1
09:23 < smtchahal1> No, I've never been blocked.
09:24 < smtchahal1> Yes, that's true.
09:24 < QuelqueChoseRose> Qcoder00: someone scared of Mr. Miscavige?
09:24 < smtchahal1> Never mind.
09:24 < russavia> mareklug: interesting our article says white stork is a symbol of lithuania but not of poland
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09:24 < Bsadowski1> Hmm
09:24 < russavia> but then again, lithuania is polish clay, so it's probably correct
09:24 < QuelqueChoseRose> anyways, qcoder, no, while CoS is hardblocked by default, I believe other ranges are too
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09:24 < Dcoetzee> ...I'm confused, why would someone ask a bunch of questions about blocking when they have no reason to believe they're blocked?
09:24 < QuelqueChoseRose> *other IPs
09:25 < smtchahal> Dynamically changing IP is the answer.
09:25 < Dcoetzee> Silly newbies
09:25 < QuelqueChoseRose> Dcoetzee: he was curious. has a highly dynamic range, and gets vandalism warnings when he's logged out.
09:25 < Dcoetzee> Oh I see
09:25 < russavia> "In the 19th century, storks were also thought to only live in countries having a republican form of government.[135]"  there's today's useless piece of information i learned
09:25 < mareklug> russavia it may be a symbol of Li, but hte fucking birds come to Mazury
09:25 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:  Whose Miscavige?
09:25 < smtchahal> And I don't think I'm a newbie; even though I began a few months ago, I've made a few thousand edits.
09:25 < Dcoetzee> Sorry
09:26 < Dcoetzee> I thought you had quit the channel
09:26 < GingerGeek> lol
09:26 < QuelqueChoseRose> Qcoder00: head honcho at the cult of Hubbard
09:26 < smtchahal> To get my cloak back on, yes...
09:26 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:  Oh him...
09:26 < Qcoder00> The one someone unsuccusefully tried to have sectioned in the UK as delusional :)
09:26 < QuelqueChoseRose> the one who's not allowed into Germany
09:26 < Qcoder00> (and possibly borederline pyschotic)
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09:27 < Qcoder00> Seriously?
09:27  * QuelqueChoseRose gets shot by Scientology snipers
09:27 < russavia> Mareklug: on geese -- They win the world's biggest bastards contest, hands down. They shit all over everything, make a ton of noise, and try to start fights. They're basically drunk Oakland fans.
09:27 < QuelqueChoseRose> i think they're all banned. State Department's always complaining about it.
09:27 < Qcoder00> The Germans won't let the head of a prominent spirtual movement in?
09:28 < QuelqueChoseRose> idk, maybe it's not that severe. read through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_Germany if you're interested
09:28 < mareklug> russavia you think Oakland fans are the worst?  The biggest bastards are swans.  Try tangling with one.
09:28 < Qcoder00> That Scientology is controversial is a given
09:28 < Qcoder00> ;)
09:28 < QuelqueChoseRose> my grandfather did one of the first exposés on Scientology. was convinced they were bugging his phonecalls for years afterward
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09:28 < Dcoetzee> QuelqueChoseRose: If we weren't talking about scientologists, I'd say he was paranoid
09:29 < russavia> oh i know all about swans -- especially the black ones we have here -- they are nasty sons of bitches -- they take chunks out of your leg, and chase you down the sandbars on the river
09:29 < russavia> obviously i'm talking from experience
09:29 < QuelqueChoseRose> I almost fell into the pond at the Boston Common once when I was little, thanks to a swan
09:29 < Dcoetzee> What is the best weapon to fight off an angry swan with?
09:30 < QuelqueChoseRose> Dcoetzee: Idk, I never watched all of Black Swan. Lesbian sex, maybe?
09:30 < Dcoetzee> ...
09:30 < Dcoetzee> That seems to be the main thing people remember from that film yes
09:31 < mareklug> Dcoetzee a bagel.  they love onion.
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09:31 < Dcoetzee> So I should keep bagels in my pocket at all times in case of wild swan attack?
09:31 < QuelqueChoseRose> a gun would work too
09:31 < mareklug> if you frequent swan infested ponds, yes.
09:32 < Dcoetzee> I dunno, a gun might just slow them down
09:32 < mareklug> Dcoetzee two bagels, as they come in pairs mostly
09:32 < QuelqueChoseRose> Desert Eagle, maybe?
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09:32 < QuelqueChoseRose> or a bear gun, if you really wanna be sure
09:32 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:   Hmm
09:32 < mareklug> a bagel does the job and is legal in your jurisdiction.
09:32 < QuelqueChoseRose> though that might not work against long-range swan attacks
09:32 < Dcoetzee> That's unwieldly
09:32 < Qcoder00> I'm waiting for someone to leak Scientology secrets to Assange
09:32 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Why has Anonymous not already done that?
09:33 < mareklug> Dcoetzee if you are hard pressed, carry one bagel only, but do cut it/slice it in half
09:33 < Qcoder00> That would put certain US officals in a tricky position
09:33 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: Clever
09:33 < mareklug> the swans are too stupid to realize they only got half a bagel anyway
09:33 < Pote> :-)
09:33 < Qcoder00> Dcoetzee:  Anons are out for lulz, not actual 'Jail the crooks' activisim
09:34 < Qcoder00> That said 'fair game' and some Anon tactics become dangerously simillar
09:34 < Qcoder00> :(
09:34 < Dcoetzee> Anonymous is too diversified and lacking in central leadership to have their purpose fully characterised
09:34 < Dcoetzee> The most we can say is a lot of them are trolls.
09:34 < QuelqueChoseRose> and they're a lot smaller than peope think
09:34 < QuelqueChoseRose> *people
09:35 < QuelqueChoseRose> <ref>encyclopediadramatica.se/Special:ListAdmins</ref>
09:35 < Dcoetzee> But I would think at least they'd hate Scientologists enough to get some of their capable hackers looking into them
09:36 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:  Do you happen to have a copy of the Foster Report which could be scanned?
09:37 < Qcoder00> ( As a Government report, it should reasonably now be under OGL)
09:37 < QuelqueChoseRose> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/fosthome.html happy reading
09:38 < Qcoder00> The intent was on finding an original copy for Wikisource
09:38 < mareklug> QuelqueChoseRose that's Dave Touretzky's page.  I know him from the 1987 first connectionist summer school, where I was invited.  CMU is a fun place, and Dave is a great guy.
09:40 < QuelqueChoseRose> Qcoder00: Lol well I don't keep printed copies of UK Government reports lying around my house
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09:41 < Qcoder00> OK..
09:41 < Qcoder00> Thanks for the link
09:41 < QuelqueChoseRose> Though my school has a copy of the Warren Report somewhere random, if you want
09:41 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_S._Touretzky
09:41  * Qcoder00 checks to see if Wikisource already has the Warren report
09:42 < Qcoder00> Hmm
09:42 < Qcoder00> Not found yet
09:42 < Qcoder00> Warren Report is the JFK one right?
09:42 < QuelqueChoseRose> mareklug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Touretzky ?
09:42 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Touretzky  obviously
09:43 < QuelqueChoseRose> lol yes I know how to find a userpage from a contribs page :P
09:43 < mareklug> I respect people who post their phone numbers on their pages
09:43 < mareklug> QuelqueChoseRose why the ? then
09:43 < QuelqueChoseRose> indeed. email is less smart, though, thanks to bots
09:43 < QuelqueChoseRose> mareklug: because it's what you get when you press shift and / , which are the keys i felt like pressing
09:43 < mareklug> QuelqueChoseRose if you know how to use procmail, email posting in public is no skin of your nose
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09:44 < Qcoder00> QuelqueChoseRose:  - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Warren_Commission_Executive_Session_of_27_Jan_1964 Is this what you meant?
09:44 < Qcoder00> Or is the Warren Report something else?
09:47 < russavia> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57585464-93/flickr-users-we-hate-the-new-site/  wow i wasn't expecting that </sarcasm>
09:47 < QuelqueChoseRose> not sure, really. just know that there used to be this massive book lying around in our Theatre, and apparently it was the Warren Commission Report
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09:48 < Qcoder00> OK
09:49 < kelapstick> probably the same one
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09:51 < Qcoder00> Anwhow...
09:51 < NotASpy> Sir Alex Ferguson is really interested in the assassination of JFK, has things like the Warren Report. He even knows who did it...
09:52 < NotASpy> in other news, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22611581
09:53 < kelapstick> and he isn't telling anyone?
09:53 < Qcoder00> Ah But Does Sir Alex know who really Killed Diana?
09:53 < Qcoder00> XD
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09:54 < Dcoetzee> I also know who killed JFK... Lee Harvey Oswald :-P
09:54 < kelapstick> so says the Warren Commission
09:54 < NotASpy> Qcoder00: Jimmy Savile - he was in charge of seat belt safety for all British citizens. Clunk click every grope.
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09:54 < Qcoder00> NotASpy; Erm...
09:55 < NotASpy> Qcoder00: she would have walked away from it if she had her seat belt on.
09:55  * Qcoder00 suddenly has a horrifying mental image about th cigar...
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09:56 < NotASpy> Now then, now then Qcoder00
09:56 < NotASpy> the whole thing is in the past, but I'm really rather pissed off his house in Glencoe is continually being vandalised. It's really rather important.
09:58 < mareklug> you know a new MacBook Pro is imminent when MacMall discounts the 13" 2012 unit by 400 dollars less a buck.
09:58 < Dcoetzee> Well it's easy to discount Macs since they sell at 2-3 times their cost of production.
09:58 < mareklug> Dcoetzee it is easy, but it is rarely done.
09:59 < Dcoetzee> True
09:59 < mareklug> so I am all agog
09:59 < mareklug> the new thingee should at least have 802.11ac networking, which implies new Time Capsule and Airport bases.
10:01 < Dcoetzee> These days I prefer Hackintosh in VM to real Mac hardware
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10:02 < mareklug> Dcoetzee why would you.  a) it is not likely to be a seamless user experience, especially in the future as driver support changes, b) they look certainly uglier than the custom-designed and manufactured apples.
10:03 < Dcoetzee> If I wanted to show off pretty things I'd buy jewelry.
10:03 < mareklug> and the Retina screen
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10:03 < Pote> Carly: :-(
10:03 < mareklug> Dcoetzee you show off other pretty things you buy/bought -- D800 :) :) :)
10:03 < Dcoetzee> And my only interest in the Mac platform is building and testing cross platform apps
10:03 < mareklug> Dcoetzee basically I hear antipathy to Cupertino talkin'
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10:04 < mareklug> Dcoetzee if you were interested in your apps as they play on a retina screen of a real mac user, you would invest in like equipment.
10:04 < mareklug> this is especialy true of photo / art apps
10:05 < Dcoetzee> And I did
10:05 < Dcoetzee> And it broke and needed replacement parts, 5 times, because Macs are shitty hardware
10:05 < Dcoetzee> Until eventually I couldn't fix it anymore
10:05 < Dcoetzee> I don't want to go down that road again.
10:05 < NotASpy> I disagree - four year old MacBook and not a single dead pixel.
10:06 < Dcoetzee> I had to replace the battery, the keyboard, the screen
10:06 < Dcoetzee> Practically everything
10:06 < mareklug> aw.  I am awaiting the delivery of 2 SCSI vintage drives for my Apples circa 1988.   To resume photoshopping duties in 24 meg memory and 24 Mhz Motorola 68030 CPUs. :)   And you say they don't last.
10:06 < Dcoetzee> And I only had it like 2 years
10:06 < Dcoetzee> It was truly the worst machine I ever had
10:06 < mareklug> you were unlucky
10:06 < NotASpy> mine is still on it's original battery and power supply too - although the battery is a little swollen and could do with replacement, which is annoying as it still lasts a couple of hours on charge if you're sensible.
10:07 < edditer> Qcoder00: what do you think about making it subject-oriented instead of article-oriented? this means using an "in order to understand the subject, an understanding of the following subjects is required" section or infobox instead of a mere "technical style" warning. this will shift focus to a more fundamental level (than what the article happens to include/explain and what explanatory approaches it takes at a particular point in time), making the prer
10:07 < edditer> equisites tree less arbitrary.
10:07 < Dcoetzee> Also, needless to say, when testing cross compatibility apps it is a lot more convenient to have Mac in VM
10:07 < Dcoetzee> Since I don't need to have multiple PCs set up on a LAN, I can do it all on one host
10:07 < Qcoder00> edditer: OK
10:07 < edditer> Qcoder00: great
10:08 < mareklug> Dcoetzee yes, but your screen is not the physical retina a mac user uses.
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10:08 < Qcoder00> Did you exmain my template?
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10:08 < edditer> yes
10:08 < Qcoder00> Is it likely to be useful?
10:08 < Dcoetzee> Retina screens are nice but they're still LCD screens
10:08 < Dcoetzee> They're not radically different
10:09 < mareklug> Dcoetzee but your resolution, hinting, color temperature, color calibration, what have you, will be off.  you won't know any different.  you are basically programming blind.
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10:09 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: You really really think I'm going to customise all my GUI assets for optimal display on a particular monitor?
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10:09 < edditer> Qcoder00: yes, with some change in wording ("This article approaches a technical subject that can only be understood if the reader is familiar with:"). however, some sort of infobox may be more fitting, since it's subject oriented. something comparable to the "article part of a series on".
10:09 < tzatziki> ...Xbox One.
10:09 -!- Izawayz is now known as Izhidez
10:09 < mareklug> all?  only those you need to/
10:10 < tzatziki> XBOX ONE?!
10:10 < tzatziki> Christ.
10:10 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: In a cross platform app the goal is to have one set of assets that does a reasonable job across a variety of hardware
10:10 < mareklug> Dcoetzee if you were catering to the professional crowd, you would have the physical stuff they use.
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10:11 < edditer> Qcoder00: it would help if you could create an infobox. i could try to learn to do it too, so do it only when/if you have time.
10:11 < Dcoetzee> If I were catering to the professional crowd I'd be making money and could buy one
10:11 < Qcoder00> edditer: edit awau
10:11 < mareklug> ah. :)  so it goes.
10:11 < Qcoder00> edditer: Edit away
10:12 < edditer> Qcoder00: thanks
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10:30 < Logan_> Hi Prodego. :)
10:31 < Prodego> hello sir
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10:36 < Prodego> How are you Logan_?
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10:36 < Logan_> I'm doing well, thanks. You?
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10:44 < Prodego> Tis alright
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10:48 < mareklug> NotASpy  my beautification project https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/My%20beautiful%20desktop.png
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10:51 < elkng> mareklug: why do you need all those web browsers: "lynx,chrome,opera,firefox,safari" ?
10:51 < elkng> greedyness ?
10:51 < mareklug> testing for usability
10:51 < mareklug> elkng why do you presume inanities
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10:52 < elkng> are they all free ?
10:52 < mareklug> yes, they are all free.
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10:53 < elkng> mareklug: you are not using pirated software arn't you ?
10:53 < mareklug> Logan_ http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/21/photos-of-likely-802-11ac-gigabit-wi-fi-card-from-next-generation-imac-surface/
10:53 < mareklug> elkng these browsers seem pirated software to you?
10:53 < elkng> mareklug: there are not only browsers, there are bunch of other software on that desktop
10:54 < mareklug> elkng criminy!  software on the desktop!  be sure to call fbi.
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10:56 < elkng> mareklug: what is interesting about that 802-11ac gigabit wifi card ?
10:56 < mareklug> elkng do you know anything about 802.11 standards?
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10:57 < elkng> I have 3 USB 802.11n wifi dongles and one 802.11n dlink access point
10:57 < mareklug> good for you.  and what sort of connectivity do you get in real life?
10:58 < elkng> 2.5MB/s ?
10:58 < mareklug> on your local WiFi network?
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10:59 < elkng> when copying files from PC to android phone
10:59 < mareklug> android phone is permitted to be slow.  what about other copying?
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10:59 < Bsadowski1> mareklug: http://browsershots.org/
10:59 < Bsadowski1> oh
11:00 < mareklug> yes I know Bsadowski1.  It is still nice to have your own soft.
11:01 < mareklug> Bsadowski1 note the sad absence of any Safari, Omniweb, or for that matter, pre-4 Konqueror
11:02 < mareklug> on Windows
11:02 < Revent> Links is also missing
11:02 < mareklug> as is w3m or Elinks
11:02 < mareklug> or Lynx 2.7
11:03 < elkng> mareklug: no other copying, I tested speed between two USB wifi dongles dlink and tp-link undel linux, and they are stopped working after couple minutes of file transferr, speed was about 16Mbit/s, same between USB dongle and access point
11:03 < mareklug> there is one version of w3m on linux
11:03 < Revent> That's still show for local n.
11:03 < mareklug> elkng stopped working?  that is not an acceptable event in one's home wifi lan
11:03 < Revent> *slow
11:03 < elkng> mareklug: also why do you have web browsers konqueror and links2 ?
11:04 < mareklug> because I have kde
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11:04 < elkng> mareklug: that happened because I pushed data transfer too fast or because drivers was unstable
11:04 < mareklug> elkng sucks to be your network
11:04 < Revent> 'local n' should give you more like 35-40 at least.
11:05 < elkng> s/undel/under
11:05 < mareklug> elkng my Apple gear delivered yesterday (with the able assist of Comcast) a 3.40 Mbps UPLOAD to Mauritius.
11:05 < mareklug> that's in the middle of Indian Ocean
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11:06 < mareklug> elking my routine downloads on WLAN are 55 Mbps
11:06 < mareklug> Wifi to to iMac
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11:06 < Revent> FWIW if you turn up the 'broadcast power' on your access point you'll probably do better.
11:07 < mareklug> Revent it's at 100% using Airport Utility 5.6
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11:07 < mareklug> Airport Utility 6.2 hides all the good conrols.
11:07 < Revent> *I mean elkng*
11:07 < elkng> I got those USB dongles for testing them on linux, I don't use wifi, only to copy files to phone sometimes
11:07 < mareklug> :)
11:07 < a930913> Some event happened today about the [[Xbox One]]? My vandalism senses are tingling.
11:07 < Prodego> It was announced
11:08 < Jeske_Couriano> Yes, it got revealed.
11:08 < Prodego> and that ended about 9 minutes ago
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11:08 < mareklug> elkng then you really have no interest in 802.11ac hence your question about the link to the leak is irrelevant
11:08 < Jeske_Couriano> And /v/ has a thread comparing the reveal event to Hell's Kitchen US
11:08 < elkng> mareklug: "leak", is it something new and special hardware ?
11:09 < mareklug> yes, all the more special that it appears to have been manufactured as early as October 2012.
11:09 < mareklug> so it is a prototype
11:09 < a930913> Prodego: o/
11:09 < mareklug> the actual production gear is likely to be unveiled in public at the developers' conference on June 4 in San Francisco
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11:10 < elkng> Prodego: is there a video of revealing of xbox ?
11:10 < Prodego> there was a stream
11:10 < Prodego> not sure if it has been uploaded yet
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11:11 < Jeske_Couriano_> http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/190683957 - NSFW, but no genitalia
11:12 < elkng> Prodego: and shouldn't it be revealed at E3 this summer ?
11:12 < Prodego> elkng: well I think they don't want to let PS4 get too far ahead
11:12 < Prodego> they are doing an event then too
11:13 < Prodego> plus this way they don't have to complete for media attention
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11:26 < a930913> Bleh, block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/131.91.4.16
11:27 < a930913> Any takers?
11:28 < a930913> !admin ^
11:31 < Revent> Umm he's already done...
11:31 < Revent> About a minute and a half ago.
11:32 < Revent> (normally a AIV post is the way to go, btw)
11:34 < SerajewelKS> by the timestamps in my IRC client, a930913's last message was prior to the block being placed
11:34 < Revent> Yup....within a minute or so span...
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11:36 < a930913> Revent: I take urgent ones to IRC - this guy was spamming a large number of edits.
11:37 < Revent> Ye, I see that... not *objecting* to mentioning it here...I would.
11:38 < Revent> AIV is just more likely to get 'awake' people....
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11:40 < a930913> Revent: Depends on the time. Also, I started making a fuss here before the final warning and all that :p
11:42 < Revent> Yeah, sorry, not 'criticizing'....just trying to point out that AIV is a 'more standard' route (on-wiki history)
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11:42 < Revent> It was 'mission success' pretty quick either way. :)
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11:44 < Revent> More a matter of pointing out that *only* mentioning it here isn't 'tracable' histroy-wise.
11:44 < Revent> *history
11:45 < a930913> Revent: Even more of a reason for me :D
11:45  * a930913 goes back to coding and not revising like he should be.
11:45 < Revent> Gotcha....that's a perfectly valid point. :)
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12:51 < dtm_> hi.  in a biography, nicknames can go in the opening summary statement, right?  '''James Carter "Jimmy" Pankow'''
12:51 < dtm_> i would not have them in the infobox, persondata, etc, which is technical and literal
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12:54 < QuelqueChoseRose> dtm_: yeah, but remember not to boldface the quotation marks
12:54 < QuelqueChoseRose> '''William Jefferson''' "'''Bill'''" '''Clinton'''
12:55 < Koi> that's stupid.
12:55 < Koi> so many ' around it :PP
12:56 < dtm_> QuelqueChoseRose: orly.  thanks.
12:56 < Revent> *as a side note from -help... Nice when some random troll asks 'how do I call Satan' and there's a relevant article. :)
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12:56 < dtm_> Revent: very nice.
12:56 < Revent> "Evocation"
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12:59 < Revent> Actually, FWIW that article is missing a lot of references... :/.... Be amusing to actually cite some grimoires.
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13:01 < dtm_> hehe
13:02 < Fox2k12> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ozNKxPb3S8 <-- LOL .. "it Hurts but kinda like it.. " *facepalm*
13:04 < Revent> Yeah....the M&M's commercials are starting to get a bit creepy more than funny.
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13:04 < Fox2k12> hehe...
13:04 < Fox2k12> I like it it's funny..
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13:05 < Revent> Like, talking candy, funny......disturbing cannibalism references...not so much.
13:05 < Fox2k12> he has a nice hairdo on 0:15
13:05 < Revent> I mean, it doesn't exactly make me want to /eat/ M&Ms...
13:05 < Fox2k12> oh geez... whats the issue with talking candy?
13:05 < a930913> What is this databse replication that requires secrecy?
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13:06 < Fox2k12> well then skip the skittles too...
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13:06 < Ironholds> a930913: secrecy?
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13:06 < Revent> I like the commercials in general, they're just getting a bit much lately...
13:06 < Fox2k12> I guss thats intended...
13:06 < Fox2k12> guess...*
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13:07 < a930913> Ironholds: Just read on the technical pump, "It'll require an NDA for anyone with direct access to the replication and the servers must be located in the US."
13:07 < Fyre> hooly fuck
13:07 < Fyre> i'm in montreal and i finish in 20 minutes
13:07 < Kotter>     
13:07 < Fyre> the whole subway is down
13:07 < Fox2k12> they just getting sassy.. Revent
13:08 < Revent> Ye....I just thing they're crossing the line to creepy...odd decision for a 'candy' ad.
13:08 < Revent> *think*
13:08 < jorgeluis> good afternoon, wikipedians
13:09 < Revent> o/
13:09 < Fox2k12> hi jorgeluis
13:09 < Fox2k12> Revent well the 2012 commercial was also good...
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13:10 < Revent> Yup...
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13:10 < Fox2k12> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb0jrdu10Ws <-- Revent
13:10 < Fox2k12> :P
13:10 < Fox2k12> wiggle wiggle wiggle ya.. :P
13:10 < jorgeluis> http://i.imgur.com/icWzQ.jpg
13:11 < Revent> Now that is funny as hell.
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13:11 < Fox2k12> yes it is...
13:12 < Revent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS-sDm9-H9w
13:12 < Revent> (note the age confirmed req)
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13:12 < Fox2k12> that link does not work...
13:12 < jorgeluis> you have to be logged in, i think
13:12 < Fox2k12> it's blocked her...
13:12 < jorgeluis> hah!
13:13 < Revent> Ye, it's an 'age confirmed' video...
13:13 < Fox2k12> here*
13:13 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Sauce
13:13 < Fox2k12> no its region blocled
13:13 < Fox2k12> blocked*
13:13 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bad_Wolf_(Duck_Sauce_song) <-- specifically
13:14 < Fox2k12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_YouTube_videos_in_Germany <-- Revent
13:14 < Revent> *lol*
13:14 < Revent> I'm sorry...
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13:14 < Revent> "Billboard described it as "the most disturbing video of 2011". The magazine also described it as "the most frightening video of 2011".[4] Directed by Keith Schofield, the video features different people with human heads as their genitalia."
13:14 < Fox2k12> yeah i read that..
13:15 < Fox2k12> so it's good that it's blocked... i don't need to see that
13:16 < Revent> http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1673159/duck-sauce-big-bad-wolf-video.jhtml
13:16 < Revent> (is non explicit discussion)
13:16 < Fox2k12> well that redirects me to mtv.de
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13:16 < Revent> It's just a text news story...
13:17 < Fox2k12> yeah
13:17 < Fox2k12> but it says you are from germany and forwards me to mtv.de where your story is not available..
13:18 < Fox2k12> is the internet not wonderfull.. with it's geo-location  crap ?
13:18 < jorgeluis> use a vpn tunnel
13:18 < Fox2k12> i don't have one and not for a simple news article..
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13:19 < Huon> !oversight
13:19 < jorgeluis> there are many websites that do it for you
13:19 < gde33> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty
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13:20 < Revent> http://anonymizer.name/
13:20 < Fox2k12> well thanks... but it*s not that important...
13:21 < Revent> (shrugs) general knowledge...
13:21 < Revent> FWIW, one of those is a lot 'better' than a IRC cloak.
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13:22 < gde33> Certainty is perfect knowledge that has total security from error, or the mental state of being without doubt (!)
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13:40 < eeekster> "This file is in the public domain, because It's a single cover."
13:41 < mattbuck> bollocks
13:41 < mattbuck> delete it
13:41 < mattbuck> NOWWWW
13:41 < eeekster> I tagged it with F9
13:42 < eeekster> but I'm seeing a lot of PD claims like this now
13:42 < Koi> eeekster: wat is it link pls
13:42 < Swob> deleted
13:42 < Revent> Did you poke the uploader and tell them to read what PD actually is?
13:43 < Swob> hmm
13:43 < eeekster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Take_a_Picture.jpg
13:43 < Swob> it looks like deleted files still appear if you use the "true" URL
13:43 < mabdul> [[WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT]]
13:43 < Koi> Swob: cause it takes them a while to get undone
13:43 < Koi> Swob: also, [[WP:BEANS]] pls no repeat that
13:44 < Koi> Swob: That picture is not deleted.
13:44 < Koi> oh nvm
13:44 < Koi> now it is
13:44 < russavia> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22609523  all is not well in eurovision land -- love this shit -- it's funnier than polandball look at international relations
13:44 < Koi> WP caught up :P
13:44 < Swob> there were 2 versions of it, i deleted the small one first
13:44 < Swob> the small one maybe could have stayed as fair use
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13:44 < Swob> but Im not really sure
13:45 < Koi> Swob: fair use is tupid. we should force artists to release things under CC-BY-SA 3.0
13:45 < mattbuck> I hate you
13:45 < Swob> the artists probably dont even have a choice
13:45 < mattbuck> you made me read something about eurovision
13:45 < Swob> everything is in the hands of the publisher
13:45 < Koi> Swob: block http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zuuzzz&action=edit&redlink=1 pls
13:45 < Swob> ok
13:46 < Swob> too late, Zzuuzz himself got there first
13:46 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lucasgiello#Images_from_Itunes
13:46 < Swob> he's on the ball today : )
13:47 < Revent> *something like that might make a good template.
13:48 < NotASpy> Revent: but it's actually wrong.
13:48 < Revent> Hmm?
13:48 < Revent> It's relevant to copying content from there.
13:48 < Koi> lol
13:48 < Koi> Swob: ty
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13:49 < NotASpy> Revent: but Apple doesn't actually own the album artwork, that's owned by record companies and recording artists.
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13:49 < Revent> Right....but you are subject to their terms of use when you access the content from their servers.....
13:50 < IDoH> Hey guys
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13:50 < Revent> You're violating /their/ license to use it.
13:50 < IDoH> And Steven_Zhang, hi to you, too.
13:50 < Koi> SOMEONE IS BEING VIOLATED THATS ALL THAT MATTERS
13:50 < Swob> probably some rich guy
13:50 < IDoH> What are we talking about, Revent and Koi?
13:50 < Koi> the image of the album cover
13:51 < IDoH> Not sure what you're talking abou
13:51 < IDoH> about*
13:51 < Swob> i deleted a few album covers a minute ago
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13:51 < Revent> My 'boilerplate' response to the uploader of the quote from Apple's Terms of Use.
13:51 < Swob> that were uploaded as public domain, which they obviously arent
13:51 < IDoH> Oh, I see.
13:51 < IDoH> Can't you relabel them as fair use?
13:51 < Swob> the small one probably
13:51 < eeekster> I see the false PD claim as the real issue. Otherwise cover could have been fair use.
13:51 < IDoH> Oh, excuse me?
13:52 < Revent> Where Apple says "Take images from this site and we will sue you"
13:52 < NotASpy> Revent: you're technically breaching copyright by copying their copyright statement though...
13:52 < IDoH> IRREPLACEABLE fair use.
13:52 < Swob> I dont know much about images
13:52 < Revent> NotASpy: *lol*
13:52 < Swob> I just tend to trust other people  for the most part
13:52 < a930913> Bah, what's up with the labs? I'm flying blind atm :(
13:52 < Revent> You can 'fair use' an album cover, but not an 'image' of one sourced from iTunes.
13:53 < eeekster> labs?
13:53 < Swob> I see
13:53 < Swob>  so basically if you physically own the CD you can scan it and say it's fair use. But you cant just download it from iTunes and call it fair use because it isnt your own work
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13:53 < Ironholds> ...what?
13:53 < Revent> You have to 'fair use' from a publication of the copyright owner, legally.
13:53 < Ironholds> ...
13:53 < Ironholds> what?
13:53 < Koi> Ironholds: they're technically right.
13:54 < Koi> Fair use images can't be images from just anywhere, they must be from the copyright holder (i.e. their website or something)
13:54 < Revent> Swob: Yes...or even just go to the music store and snap a photo with your cellphone.
13:54 < eeekster> doesn't look like the article the image was uploaded for actually meets [[WP:NSONG]]
13:54 < Koi> Wikipedia doesn't spend 10000 hours trying to check that.
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13:54 < a930913> eeekster: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs
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13:55 < eeekster> thanks, a930913
13:56 < Revent> It's kinda like IMDB..you can cite them, but you can't /use/ content from there...
13:56 < Revent> Because of their terms of service...
13:56 < foks> you can't cite IMDB
13:56 < eeekster> you can site IMDB, just not as a reliable source
13:57 < Revent> ^^ eeekster My point
13:57 < eeekster>  s/site/cite/ stupid fingers
13:57 < Revent> IMDB is good for things like 'lists of works'
13:58 < eeekster> is it enough to avoid a BLP PROD?
13:58 < Bsadowski1> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3133/
13:58 < Bsadowski1> :O
13:58 < Revent> No, it doesn't establish notability...
13:59 < Revent> 'database entries' never do
13:59 < NotASpy> imdb is fine for writers - film writer data is submitted/verified by the WGA.
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14:00 < Swob> lol @ that comic
14:00 < Swob> i must have missed that one
14:00 < Swob> i try to read it every day
14:00 < eeekster> it also seems good sometimes for verifying an actor isn't notable ;)
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14:01 < eeekster> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3134/
14:01 < asdf1_> Hello, does anybody knows how to report an user here?
14:01 < Bsadowski1> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3120/
14:01 < Bsadowski1> O_O
14:02 < Bsadowski1> ew
14:02 < eeekster> user of what?
14:03 < eeekster> "We demand that you update our Wiki entry to say "Private University" - our true classification - and stop labeling us a for-profit career college."
14:03 < asdf1_> From the regular Wikipedia
14:03 < Bsadowski1> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3116/
14:03 < eeekster> what's the issue?
14:03 < Bsadowski1> olol
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14:04 < asdf1_> He created two fake accounts for insulting a nation
14:04 < NotASpy> asdf1_: yes. Provide a link to the user and one of the administrators in the channel will look at it.
14:05 < NotASpy> (as in completely forget they've asked you to do this and go look at videos on YouTube or Stephen Fry on the TV)
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14:08 < Swob> yeah Im already on YouTube and intend to stay there for the next 5 hours
14:08 < Swob> Im three days behind on my subscriptions!!
14:08 < asdf1_> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Philly_boy92
14:08 < asdf1_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Philly_boy92/No_Megali_Idea
14:08 < asdf1_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Philly_boy92
14:08 < asdf1_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maurice07
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14:10 < NotASpy> asdf1_: well, Maurice07 is blocked already.
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14:10 < Swob> I dont see the problem
14:10 < NotASpy> and as Swob just says, there's nothing I can immediately see that's block worthy.
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14:11 < konkondi> hello people
14:11 < Swob> how do you know those two accounts are teh same person?
14:11 < asdf1_> Its obviously
14:12 < asdf1_> He uses the "NoMegaliIdea" pic on his three accounts
14:12 < NotASpy> that's a userbox, anybody can use it anywhere.
14:13 < Swob> yeah I think that's just a Greek term from some political party. Ive heard it before
14:13 < Swob> somewhere
14:13 < asdf1_> The faked Greek is against North Cyprus, the Turks against the Republic Cyprus
14:13 < NotASpy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Admin_mop.PNG - on the basis people who use the same picture are sock puppets, I've got 1,700, all with advanced permissions.
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14:15 < shimgray> NotASpy, quick, get the guns!
14:16 < NotASpy> shimgray: I can't, I'm too busy wrestling on a donkey...
14:17 < Swob> asdf, anyway, you can see at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_idea
14:17 < eeekster> on is better than with
14:17 < Swob> that he certainly didnt invent the term "Megali Idea"
14:17 < Swob> and there's no reason to believe those accounts are related based on that coincidence alone
14:18 < NotASpy> eeekster: you need this for context https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gurkhas_wrestling_on_the_regimental_transport_mules_%28Photo_24-78%29.jpg
14:19 < eeekster> wow
14:20 < shimgray> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gurkhas_wrestling_on_the_regimental_transport_mules_(Photo_24-79).jpg - it's not just two of them, either
14:21 < asdf1_> Is there a way to look, which IP was used?
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14:22 < Koi> greenrosetta: PM me.
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14:23 < eeekster> asdf1_, that's only used when there's a good reason to suspect a sockpuppet
14:23 < NotASpy> asdf1_: there is. But they'll not undertake such an invasion of privacy on such a very, very tenuous basis as one image used on two accounts.
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14:24 < Swob> you can start a sockpuppet investigation, yeah
14:24 < Swob> but I dont think itll turn up a connection
14:24 < eeekster> might not even get checkuser with the current level of evidence
14:25 < eeekster> asdf1_, what are the edits you find to be a problem?
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14:30 < asdf1_> Its the presence of the fake account. Its common in the Balkans to fake accounts and insulting other nations, but there is often no chance to report this in an effective way.
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14:30 < Demiurge1000> It's due to the predominantly hilly terrain, I think.
14:31 < Swob> lol
14:31 < NotASpy> asdf1_: WP:SPI is where you want to be.
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14:31 < Demiurge1000> Maybe he wants to be in FYROM but renamed something else!
14:32 < eeekster> it's also common in the Balkans to take umbrage where one shouldn't
14:33 < Koi> are any arbs on IRC?
14:33 < NotASpy> should be Koi
14:33 < Koi> Im missing them in the userlist then.
14:34 < Koi> NotASpy: any specific ones?
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14:36 < Steven_Zhang> morning
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14:37 < eeekster> afternoon
14:37 < asdf1_> Ok, thanks for the help
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14:38 < eeekster> I'm seeing "Evidence: Will be provided on request." on a lot of image uploads these days. Is that something the wizard puts in?
14:38 < Koi> I hope not.
14:40 < eeekster> indeed
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14:42 < eeekster> anybody belive this is "self-made"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Piccadilly_Logo.jpg
14:43 < Koi> if anyone notices an arb get on ping me please.
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14:45 < mattbuck> stick an npd on it
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14:46 < eeekster> NPD?
14:47 < Koi> mattbuck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PiccadillySunBurst.png
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14:48 < eeekster> he has several versions of their logo uploaded
14:49 < mattbuck> tag as missing permission
14:49 < mattbuck> needing otrs verification
14:49 < eeekster> ok, that's what I thought you meant
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15:00 < Swob> moskau!
15:00 < Moskau> Hello.
15:01 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
15:01 < Swob> I associate that spelling of the name with only one thing ... a musical by Dschinghis Khan
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15:01 < Swob> hi Bob
15:01 < BobTheWikipedian> any english majors here?
15:01 < Swob> hows it going
15:01 < BobTheWikipedian> hi soap
15:01 < BobTheWikipedian> goin well thanks
15:01 < Swob> what are you going do this summer when school gets out?
15:02 < BobTheWikipedian> i am looking for an answer to that actually
15:02 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian we3 upgraded all english majors to Comperative Lit majors.  whatchu need
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15:02 < BobTheWikipedian> mareklug-- is there a name for a difference between a book and its film adaptation?
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15:02 < eeekster> english majors have computer now?
15:02 < mareklug> yes, one is called a screenplay
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15:02 < IDoH> BobTheWikipedian: It's called "Don't judge the book by it's movie".
15:03 < BobTheWikipedian> i mean the differences. like say in the book, bill gets shot, but in the movie, bill falls off a cliff
15:03 < Swob> y'all should enroll in spelling class before you start talking about literature
15:03 < mareklug> in fact it is not the "original screenplay" category at the Oscars; it is the other kind.
15:03 < BobTheWikipedian> is there a name for a difference like that?
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15:03 < mareklug> yes, the name for that is taking fucking liberties.
15:03 < BobTheWikipedian> lol
15:04 < IDoH> BobTheWikipedian: Dramatic licens.
15:04 < IDoH> License*
15:04 < mareklug> but in all seriousness, that is how adapted screenplays work.
15:04 < BobTheWikipedian> is there a technical term for that particular element?
15:04 < IDoH> Just told you, BobTheWikipedian.
15:04 < IDoH> I think that's true, anyway.
15:04 < BobTheWikipedian> i'm writing a template for another wiki that will need a good name and i'm wondering what to call it
15:05 < NotASpy> could be described as a plot deviation or something technical sounding, if you wanted.
15:05 < BobTheWikipedian> users will be able to click a button that changes the text to the version they want to read
15:05 < Swob> whoa
15:05 < mareklug> you could say "plot divergence between the book authored by ___ and the adapted screenplay based on it, authored by _____"
15:05 < Swob> that sounds interesting
15:05 < BobTheWikipedian> {{difference|tv=bill falls off a cliff|comic|bill gets shot}}
15:05 < Swob> have you considered just calling it Template:Plot or something?
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15:06 < Swob> or Template:Ending
15:06 < BobTheWikipedian> oops "comic="
15:06 < Moskau> Swob: That's exactly what it's based on. I'm listening to it right now, as it happens.
15:06 < Swob> I know that wouldnt answer your question but at least it's easy to type
15:06 < BobTheWikipedian> well, it would change every part of the article that has the template around it
15:06 < Swob> Template:Resolution
15:07 < BobTheWikipedian> right now {{difference}} makes the most sense to me
15:07 < Swob> Template:Denouement (now there's a word I havent heard in years)
15:07 < mareklug> NotASpy Swob ToAruShiroiNeko http://www.dailytech.com/German+Researchers+Test+40+Gbps+WiFi+Successor+to+80211ac/article31597.htm
15:07 < BobTheWikipedian> just wondered if the difference had a technical name
15:07 < mareklug> BobTheWikipedian I gave you the whole sentence ^
15:07 < BobTheWikipedian> ah divergence
15:07 < Swob> yeah I know
15:08 < BobTheWikipedian> that's a good one :)
15:08 < Swob> Divergence is good
15:08 < BobTheWikipedian> thanks mareklug :D
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15:08 < mareklug> divergence is good, but convergence is even better.  You are welcome Bob.  One of these days this is gonna amount to a barnstar.
15:08 < BobTheWikipedian> haha
15:08 < Swob> I think you should show us this wiki someday
15:08 < NotASpy> mareklug: I miss cheapernet.
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15:09 < mareklug> tell us of this cheapernet you speak of
15:09 < BobTheWikipedian> i'll show it to you as soon as i get the script implemented, swob...one sec
15:09 < NotASpy> mareklug: 10Base2 - old coax network.
15:10 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheapernet
15:10 < zuzak> is there any meaningful difference between l10n and i18n?
15:10 < eeekster> why would anybody miss 10Base2?
15:10 < BobTheWikipedian> http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/User:Bob_the_Wikipedian/Sandbox
15:10 < BobTheWikipedian> there is a prototype
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15:11 < NotASpy> eeekster: it was my first home network.
15:11 < eeekster> I remember being amazed at how it could lose nodes without good reason
15:11 < mareklug> I just discovered to my dismay that one of the 10 fish filets from Van de Kamps' is half the size of any other.  I mean, you never get one twice as large or even just one and a half.  They always gyp you.  Should I write to the CEO and chew him or her out?
15:11 < BobTheWikipedian> obviously my prototype test was misformatted but hey it works at least :D
15:11 < eeekster> but at least it was faster than arcnet
15:12 < NotASpy> picked up an old Kyocera laser with a network card, that was very exciting at the time, printing to any printer without having to go sharing it under Windows.
15:12 < BobTheWikipedian> heh. fixed it.
15:13 < BobTheWikipedian> swob see the link i posted
15:13 < Swob> I cant believe coaxial cable still does anything
15:13 < NotASpy> took me the best part of 15 years to go back to a networked laser. Same size, about four times faster and with a built in duplexer.
15:13 < Swob> i mean its been around for like 100 years and people still use it to transmit high speed data??
15:13 < Swob> that's like having a bicycle that goes 600 mph
15:13 < mareklug> NotASpy coax is the medium of my AppleTalk network that I still have running physically between my Mac IIci boxen and one hub that takes it, with normal ethernet jacks otherwise.  But it runs this protocol over Ethernet. b/c you get ethernet DHCP on them macs
15:14 < NotASpy> it was probably, as eeekster remembers, about as reliable as a bike doing 600mph too though.
15:14 < Swob> marek I once got 11 fish filets in a box of 10
15:14 < eeekster> still a lot faster than a card reader
15:14 < mareklug> Swob you are a lucky son of a bitch.  So anyway, do I raise a stink with the CEO?
15:14 < Swob> Im sure it was still more or less the correct amount when measured by weight. I think it even says "about 10" or "approx 10" for the contents
15:14 < eeekster> and by "card" I mean pieces of paper with holes
15:15 < Swob> BobTheWikipedian, thanks
15:15 < Swob> that's awesome, I didnt realize it was on wikia though
15:15 < NotASpy> mareklug: I never did AppleTalk - my old Macintosh with the one button mouse foxed me for a long time.
15:15 < BobTheWikipedian> haha yes it is
15:15 < Swob> that means ads and stuff
15:15 < BobTheWikipedian> and welcome to the new age where users can click a button to view the truth they want to read
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15:16 < BobTheWikipedian> heh...i have no ads thanks to adblock plus
15:17 < Swob> yeah it's not the ads on wikia that bother me so much as the fact that the content space is only like 40% of my screen
15:17 < Swob> the "ads" for other wikia sites, for example
15:17 < BobTheWikipedian> heh yeah
15:18 < BobTheWikipedian> one nice part is you know that everyone's screen looks the same on that site
15:18 < BobTheWikipedian> but i agree
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15:21 < mareklug> One of the 10 fillets is half the size of the others.  Yes, there were exactly ten, not ten plus.  I think that's wrong.  If you send me an email, I will reply with a picture of it, but do it soon as I am about to finish baking them and just might eat it.
15:21 < mareklug> Respectfully,
15:21 < mareklug> Marek
15:22 < Swob> Users who are Skalenzahnen
15:22 < russavia> mareklug -- you know of wykop.pl?
15:22 < Swob> lol did you actually complain to the company about that
15:22 < mareklug> i get it in the email russavia
15:22 < russavia> seen the front page?
15:22 < BobTheWikipedian> OUTING
15:23 < IDoH> What about the front page, russavia?
15:23 < mareklug> i did now.  what am I to see?
15:23 < russavia> mareklug will be able to tell you -- see what all the top stories are about?
15:24 < russavia> grain and concrete?
15:24 < mareklug> oh, the fucking wheat / grain controversy.  everything is about graik
15:24 < mareklug> grain
15:24 < BobTheWikipedian> bbl
15:24 < russavia> you know what it's about right?
15:24 < Swob> thats a serious newspaper?
15:24 < russavia> this is polish reddit
15:24 < Swob> oh ok
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15:24 < Swob> fair enough
15:24 < mareklug> it is not a newspaper, it is one of those services that promotes stories based on liking.digging
15:25 < russavia> one of their mods had nude photos linked to them
15:25 < Swob> there's a woman with bare breasts standing in a field of wheat
15:25 < russavia> so they were tagged #corn
15:25 < russavia> they banned that so they started #grain
15:25 < russavia> banned that
15:25 < russavia> so now it's #concrete xD
15:26 < russavia> http://strims.pl/s/Elfik32/t/aup8aj/te-slawne-nagie-zdjecia-administratorki-wykopu   NSFW
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15:27 < Swob> Uwaga!
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15:28 < mareklug> why do you have to be 18 (or promise that you are, anyway) to view picture of a naked lady, that in point of fact, will be most useful to ya, if you are still in the tender age of 13-17
15:28 < Swob> hes cute
15:28 < BlastHardcheese> because jesus
15:28 < Swob> *she's
15:28 < mareklug> she's Polish.  the most bestest Plish are the cutest.
15:28 < Krenair> mareklug, you have to be 18?
15:29 < Swob> I did not know that "talia" meant "waist" in Polish
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15:29 < Swob> are there girls named Talia in Poland?
15:29 < mareklug> there is a blurb to that effect when you click on the above link, Krenair
15:29 < Krenair> ah
15:29 < mareklug> talia indeed does mean waist.
15:29 < russavia> just click TAK
15:29 < mareklug> it must come from Itallia, land of now waist (after certain age threshhold)
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15:30 < mareklug> takk means thanks in Icelandic, but tak means yes in Polish.
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15:30 < mareklug> this has led to harmonious international Polish-Islandic cultural exchanges over the millenia.
15:31 < Swob> i think tak = thanks in some other languages too
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15:31 < russavia> anyway, just wanted to prove a point
15:31 < Swob> nope, it's tack/takk, never tak
15:31 < mareklug> that picture could only be controversial in a complete West Buttfuck that Poland is.
15:32 < mareklug> she is delicious, and the photgraph is of FA grade.
15:32 < mareklug> the composition, the light, the frame.
15:32 < russavia> the point being is that i thought commons was bad....#wp-en is worse -- put a link to a pair of boobs and you all go clicking
15:32 < mareklug> russavia the point is that this is a controversy over at Wykop.pl…. not that we are clicking
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15:33 < russavia> marekluig, they don't care about wykop :P
15:33 < mareklug> russavia does she have a name?
15:33 < russavia> elfik32
15:33 < russavia> that's all i've got so far
15:34 < russavia> but i hear the Chinese Human Flesh Search Engine is working on putting boob to face to name as we speak
15:34 < mareklug> I am asking cuz I am saving the image and ece942c15a does not roll of hte tongue as easily as, say, Kasia.
15:34 < russavia> XAXAXAXAXA
15:34 < mareklug> elfik32 is the photographer.
15:35 < mareklug> Kasia.jpg it is
15:35 < mareklug> russavia see if you can get it on a free license in a decent resolution.  we will then FA it.
15:35 < russavia> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
15:35 < Swob> wykopedia
15:35 < russavia> you could use it as NFCC on a wykop article
15:36 < russavia> if you find one source which talks of the scandal
15:36 < russavia> but it can't be polish source - they aren't reliable ;)
15:37 < mattbuck> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-22619361#?utm_source=feedly
15:39 < russavia> mareklug - http://strims.pl/s/Religia/t/p2fg2n/albo-islam-albo weeeeeeeeeeee
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15:39 < Koi> Writ_Keeper is a fucktard, his real name is XXXXXXXXX and I'm going to harass him so he stops editing with an opinion I don't like.
15:39 < mareklug> the point is that Islam chooses cycki as well.  so it is a false, erm, dichotomy.
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15:40 < mareklug> Koi are you trying to get indefinited?
15:40 < Koi> That was something to prove a point to Writ_Keeper.
15:40 < Writ_Keeper> no, he's trying to prove a point
15:40 < Koi> He knows I didn't mean it.
15:40 < Koi> But people do that, and aren't indeffed :P
15:40 < Swob> oh Writ Keeper is here
15:40 < Koi> They go further actually, using actual real names.
15:40 < Writ_Keeper> unfortunately, it wouldn't have mattered if he *did* mean it, because I still don't give a shit
15:40 < Koi> And real life info.
15:40 < Koi> Writ_Keeper: Be strong!
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15:41 < russavia> right, islam does cose cycki, they just don;t know how to display it properly
15:41 < Koi> but if I would get indeffed for that (I probably would) on IRC (which is NOT wikipedia), how are certain others not indeffed?
15:41 < Writ_Keeper> if you got indeffed for that, it would not be my doing
15:41 < Writ_Keeper> in any way
15:42 < Writ_Keeper> I can't speak for the entire admin corps, only myself
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15:48 < mareklug> Swob https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/05-21-13--1745-fish.jpg
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15:48 < NotASpy> fuckity fuckity fuck. It's not looking like a good week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22619872
15:48 < russavia> mareklug -- http://strims.pl/s/Polandball/tb/uwx4qo/who-is-saying-polandball-colours-are-of-wrongines
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15:50 < Swob> how do you get the dl. in the dtropbox link?
15:50 < mareklug> NotASpy the old musicians are dropping from cancers
15:50 < NotASpy> cigarettes, alcohol and asbestos syringes presumably.
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15:51 < russavia> just surprised keith richard is still alive
15:51 < mareklug> NotASpy not your asbestos in municipal water supply and particular emissions in the air?
15:51 < mareklug> or lou reed
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15:51 < Swob> asbestos is good for you
15:52 < NotASpy> more likely. I'd expect a lot of recording studios were pretty unhealthy places before the drink, fags and drugs were taken into account.
15:52 < mareklug> careful with them fags
15:52 < Swob> God hates 'em
15:52 < mareklug> it's a mixed up world, except for Lola
15:53 < IDoH> Lola. Lo lo lo lola.
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15:53 < NotASpy> ah now - do you have Coca-Cola or Cherry Cola in your version ?
15:53 < mareklug> heeee.  i have an excuse to link to it.  just a sec.
15:54 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C__CgQlaykI
15:54 < IDoH> Cherry cola, of course.
15:55 < mareklug> IDoH was the original lyric "coca-cola"?
15:56 < NotASpy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5_OId9sbA4
15:56 < IDoH> Not sure, mareklug.
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15:58 < NotASpy> the story I've heard is that the pre release acetate went to the BBC, who refused to play it as it endorsed Coca-Cola (they ban advertising on the BBC and used to be really strict about it). Ray had to fly back from New York where he was touring, record the vocals, remix it, and head back to the states.
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15:59 < mareklug> NotASpy so they were forced to change it.  shame.
15:59 < NotASpy> I think so, but I don't know if it's one of those stories that has become somewhat embellished over the years.
15:59 < mareklug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola
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16:00 < mareklug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_(song)
16:00 < mareklug> The original song recorded in stereo had the word "Coca-Cola" in the lyrics, but because of BBC Radio's policy against product placement, Ray was forced to make a six thousand mile round-trip flight from New York to London—interrupting the band's American tour—to change those words to the generic "cherry cola" for the single release.[4]
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16:01  * foks dislikes that song
16:01 < mareklug> foks you disgust me.
16:01 < foks> hahaha
16:01 < foks> god forbid people have differing tastes, hey
16:02 < mareklug> you don't have tastes per se, you are musically contrarian for the fuck of it, and to the negative.
16:02 < mareklug> it's not like you like Justin Bieber or anything, you just diss a lot of good stuff for no reason.
16:03 < foks> I just said I disliked it.
16:03 < bazinga> hey foks :-)
16:03 < IDoH> You have to realize that I don't like some of "your" music, too, mareklug.
16:03 < mareklug> of course, it goes without saying.  but foks goes out of his way to diss even musicians he LIKED.
16:04 < foks> Like who?
16:04 < mareklug> Marina and the Diamonds
16:04 < foks> Yeah, they sound decent on record though
16:05 < mareklug> her left boob and her right one, together?  I hope she does not autotune them.
16:06 < NotASpy> just for reference, it's Coca Cola on the album version, which appears on the brilliantly titled 'Lola Versus Powerman And The Moneygoround, Part One'
16:06 < IDoH> people are contradictory like that. They sound okay on record, but live, they sound horrible.
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16:08 < Swob> looooooooool
16:09 < Swob> couldnt they have just bleeped out the "coca" or something
16:09 < russavia> http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2013/05/21/should-kate-hunt-be-charged-as-a-sex-offender/ -- she would be indef banned from WP that much I do know
16:09 < Swob> like they did with Pink's "theyll be kissing my [bleep]" and every other such case
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16:10 < Swob> imagine the phone conversation though. "Hey, this is the BBC. We heard you say 'Coca-cola' last night. We need you to get on a plane and fly out here immediately."
16:11 < Swob> If convicted, she would face up to 15 years in prison and be required to register as a sex offender.
16:11 < Swob> Her girlfriend’s parents reported Kate to police.
16:11 < IDoH> Because they're jerks, swob.
16:12 < russavia> https://www.allout.org/en/actions/kate?utm_source=platform&utm_medium=email&utm_content=english&utm_campaign=kate&t=dXNlcmlkPTEwOTM1NTIxLGVtYWlsaWQ9MjE5MTE=
16:12 < Swob> so basically the other girl's parents discovered their daughter was turning into a lesbian and wanted to punish her by putting her grirlfriend in jail for 15 years
16:12 < russavia> yep her girlfriends parents -- they didn't like it that they were in a lesbian relationship
16:12 < mareklug> IDoH Marina and the Diamonds is fantastic live, and that is not why foks is dissing her.  He would not if he saw her, but she only came up as north as Dundee.
16:13 < IDoH> So, foks is trying to piss you off, mareklug.
16:13 < foks> I'm pretty sure she was at T in the Park
16:13 < foks> Marek is very easy to piss off ;)
16:14 < Koi> I saw the word "marek"
16:14 < NotASpy> you mean she never appeared at the Beach Ballroom, mareklug ?
16:15 < NotASpy> what sort of tour misses out the Beach Ballroom, honestly.
16:15 < Swob> "There's a big maturity difference between them," he said. "You're talking the difference between a senior in high school and a freshman in high school. That's what the law is designed to protect."
16:16 < mareklug> NotASpy for all I know she must have, but foks was out of town
16:16 < Swob> Indian River county detectives reportedly recorded a phone call between the two high school students to develop grounds for an arrest. In the call, Kaitlyn told the girl she loved her, the station reports.
16:16 < Swob> the HORROR
16:16 < Swob> "I love you"
16:16 < foks> NotASpy, usually the Music Hall/AECC these days.
16:17 < NotASpy> yeah, I know.
16:17 < foks> But it doesn't matter, mareklug likes her, so you can't say a single bad word about her.
16:17 < NotASpy> only been in the beach ballroom once, when it was still Grampian TV and they were doing a kids toy appeal thingy at Christmas.
16:18 < mareklug> foks yes you can, and I do, but you went out of your way to pave her with asphalt for life.
16:18 < foks> heh
16:19 < foks> NotASpy, man.
16:19 < foks> I've never been.
16:19 < foks> Last time I was at the Music Hall was for Interpol.
16:19 < foks> AECC, Franz Ferdinand.
16:20 < foks> Lemon Tree, I was actually playing there. Supported Public Service Broadcasting.
16:20 < NotASpy> never done the AECC. Really looking forward to The Hydro opening, be nice to have a proper music venue somewhere in Scotland.
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16:20 < foks> Aye!
16:20 < foks> Oran Mor is apparently lovely.
16:20 < IDoH> Hey Bradford.
16:21 < foks> Same with King Tuts.
16:21 < Bradford> hi
16:21 < foks> But less "lovely" and more "ace".
16:21 < mareklug> foks NotASpy lol "I once played to seven people in Aberdeen but things have got better, says music newcomer Marina Diamandis"  http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/once-played-seven-people-aberdeen-1050381
16:21 < mareklug> that's teh title.
16:21 < mareklug> see, foks, you loser.  you missed her when she was cool and a nobody.
16:21 < mareklug> like you.
16:22 < IDoH> Careful, mareklug. Don't insult foks.
16:22 < NotASpy> she must have been enormously awful for only seven people to see her in a university city like Aberdeen.
16:22 < mareklug> NotASpy admittedly, her first efforts as evidenced on the Eps she put out early are a bit thin
16:23 < mareklug> IDoH hey, I said he was cool and a nobody.  read carefully.
16:23 < mareklug> as it is true
16:23 < foks> mareklug just called me cool!
16:23 < NotASpy> I just can't get past the fact she shares a name with the worst car Britain ever exported.
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16:24 < foks> Also, Lucy Rose (you like her, mareklug?) played here recently
16:24 < Swob> not the first thing Id thinbk of
16:24 < mareklug> NotASpy Marina is an ancient name not privy to a fucken fucking fuck British vehicle
16:24 < foks> I imagine more than seven people went to that one
16:24 < Swob> i assumed the car was the Diamond
16:24 < Swob> it's Marina?
16:24 < NotASpy> Swob: oh yes.
16:24 < foks> I think so
16:25 < foks> Before my time, clearly
16:25 < mareklug> foks is not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adBPg8Zdp2g Lucy Rose the musician you told me about long time ago?
16:25 < Swob> still not the first thing I'd think of. To me marina means shipyard
16:25 < mareklug> marina a a yaht mooring place, not a shipyard
16:25 < foks> I don't think "marina" is a word used much in Scotland
16:26 < foks> mostly because we haven't any yachts
16:26 < mareklug> for that matter, in Wales, where she hails from.
16:26 < foks> also mareklug I dunno
16:26 < Swob> to me shipyard means a place where boats are kept
16:26 < mareklug> foks isn't she from Aberdeen originally?  If not it is a different musician a bit sort of lookalike
16:26 < foks> Oh, that's a lookalie
16:26 < foks> * like
16:27 < foks> I told you about the Aberdonian musician
16:27 < foks> I think
16:27 < foks> with the odd voice
16:27 < mareklug> right, i remember that/her
16:27 < mareklug> Lucy's is somewhat odd
16:27 < BobTheWikipedian> back
16:28 < Bradford> ._.
16:29 < NotASpy> right, I'm off.
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16:32 < Bradford> Carly-: :-)
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16:32 < IDoH> Hey Carly
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16:32 < Carly-> HELLO.
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16:32 < Carly-> :)
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16:41 < mareklug> qué triste que la conversación muere, tan pronto como entra en el canal de Carly. lo terriblemente triste ...
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16:42 < IDoH> Conversations die naturally sometimes, mareklug.
16:42 < Koi> mareklug: XD
16:42 < eeekster> I don't think so: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=556182527&oldid=556045252
16:42 < mareklug> yes they do.  but i like funning the juvenile
16:42 < mareklug> funning hte flames of the juvenile
16:42 < mareklug> IDoH so, ready for more neat musik?
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16:43 < IDoH> Sure
16:43 < Son_Gohan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IMAvXiBnGE
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16:44 < mareklug> is that your self-pix, SuicidalZerg, or just a random avatar?
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16:45 < mareklug> IDoH  Gryphon.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1x58IH5DQ8&list=PL35AA53F205F9044F
16:45 < Swob> lol pretty sure Zerg doesnt look like that
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16:45 < Swob> unless he got himself quite a tan out in the Utah sun
16:45 < mareklug> dunno.  did not want to prejudice the answer.  who knows what the exposure to sun does to you in Utah.
16:45 < mareklug> like minds
16:46 < IDoH> Oh, I like this song.
16:46 < Son_Gohan> mareklug: It's just a random avatar
16:46 < IDoH> But why would someone name themselves "Low IQ"?
16:46 < Son_Gohan> It's computer-generated, in case you can't tell :p
16:47 < mareklug> wctaiwan loves Gryphon.  He famously says it is the only music I recommended to him that he adores.  Just like Swob does about Hey's "Do rycerzy, do szlachty, do mieszczan"
16:47 < Swob> yeah
16:47 < IDoH> I suppose I have a more eclectic taste than Swob and wctaiwan.
16:47 < IDoH> Thanks to LaunchCAST, actually
16:47 < Swob> customers've been giving me compliments on the music I play at work lately
16:47 < mareklug> Swob but you should hear the full album and then decide if you don't like more of Kasia Nosowska and friends
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16:50 < BobTheWikipedian> anyone know how to include a header within a template?
16:50 < IDoH> mareklug: Is it all instrumental?
16:51 < Swob> bob: maybe. i take it you tried the obvious way already and it didnt work?
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16:51 < Swob> I know that SPI had a problem with that  for a while but it works now
16:51 < BobTheWikipedian> yeah, check out the comic version of http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Kelly_Burkhardt
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16:52 < Swob> hmm, none of the buttons are working for me
16:52 < BobTheWikipedian> just hit comic and scroll down until you see the messed up header
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16:53 < BobTheWikipedian> level 3 header
16:53 < Swob> oh, it does work, it just doesnt let you know that anything's changed
16:53 < BobTheWikipedian> right
16:53 < BobTheWikipedian> i need to work on making it look nice yet
16:53 < Swob> might want to color the ubttons or something if possible to show which of the three is active
16:53 < BobTheWikipedian> just working on making sure it works right now
16:53 < Swob> and yeah, that's the problem I remember seeing with SPI's
16:54 < Swob> basically when you archived a case it would archive with an ugly ==== Username ==== at the top, not wikified or anything
16:54 < Swob> and no one knew how to fix it
16:54 < BobTheWikipedian> lol
16:54 < Swob> the solution was found but it was apparrntly a lot more complicated than one would think
16:54 < BobTheWikipedian> what template was it?
16:55 < Swob> I dont know. I think everything is substed so there's no easy way to track down the original
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16:56 < Swob> actually, maybe it's not substed
16:56 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SPIarchive_notice
16:57 < Swob> seems to be the template that was causing problems with old SPI's
16:57 < Swob> and the same template for some reason works perfectly well on new SPI's
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16:58 < mareklug> IDoH this one is I can link to a youtube of a reissue of this album and one another which has singing, uploaded as one file.
16:58 < IDoH> Oh, I see
17:00 < JohnChrysostom> Mareklug is still active? How long have you been Wikiped'ing non-stop? The last time I was active was nearly two years ago.
17:00 < Swob> yeah seriously cant help
17:00 < Swob> hey JohnChrysostom
17:00 < Swob> not seen you around lately
17:00 < Swob> but surely it hasnt been two years?
17:00 < JohnChrysostom> Hey... did you change your handle?
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17:00 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom I have been on with breaks for health since 2005, some time as an ip before that
17:00 < Swob> werent you editing four months ago or something?
17:00 < IDoH> Swob is Soapx, JohnChrysostom.
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17:01 < JohnChrysostom> I've edited lightly non-stop for years, but not editing to the point of going on IRC!
17:01 < JohnChrysostom> Wikipedia is too busy for life
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17:01 < JohnChrysostom> Or is that the other way around?
17:01 < IDoH> Have you seen me around, JohnChrysostom?
17:01 < Swob> ok
17:01 < IDoH> I'm I dream of horses.
17:02  * Bsadowski1 is now playing: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (80s, 80s, 80s! - SKY.FM - Hear your classic favorites right here! (www.sky.fm))
17:02 < JohnChrysostom> Not that I remember :-|
17:02 < Bsadowski1> damn you sky.fm
17:02 < Bsadowski1> rickrolling me
17:02 < IDoH> Oh, okay.
17:02 < Bsadowski1> xD
17:02 < IDoH> I tend to vandal fight a lo
17:02 < IDoH> *lot
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17:03 < JohnChrysostom> My definition of "contributing" that I just put together is "going on talkpages to argue"
17:03 < IDoH> Er? Why?
17:03 < JohnChrysostom> So, when I'm not actively "contributing", I tend to not see people
17:03 < IDoH> I do the opposite.
17:03 < JohnChrysostom> Otherwise, I'm just fixing articles or rewriting or adding non-controversial stuff
17:04 < JohnChrysostom> Probably 70% of my edits in the past year have been grammar or wikilinks, etc.
17:04 < IDoH> Yeah, I sometimes do that, too.
17:04 < JohnChrysostom> I can't stand horribly-written articles, it puts the entire WP in a bad light
17:04 < IDoH> Yeah, it does
17:05 < JohnChrysostom> I used to write/contribute heavily, with the inevitable consequence that I was arguing four hours a day in RfCs, ANI, RFP, etc.
17:05 < IDoH> Content contributions?
17:05 < JohnChrysostom> the "bureaucratic" side of wikipedia
17:05 < IDoH> Yeah, that tends to bring dramaz
17:05 < Swob> ANI is stressful
17:05 < IDoH> Yeah
17:05 < JohnChrysostom> Content, yeah <- edits almost solely in religion and theology
17:05 < JohnChrysostom> That might explain a bit
17:05 < IDoH> Oooh, yeah
17:06 < JohnChrysostom> I eventually "gave up" and went to doing other stuff
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17:06 < JohnChrysostom> on WP, that is
17:06 < IDoH> Yeah
17:06 < mareklug> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/515016/one-time-pad-reinvented-to-make-electronic-copying-impossible/
17:07 < mareklug> reported by MIT, but work done at Caltech
17:09 < JohnChrysostom> if true, cool
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17:10 < JohnChrysostom> but what are one-time pads even used for today, in most cryptography?
17:11 < Revent> A lot...
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17:11 < Prodego> Well not a lot in the grand scheme of things
17:11 < mareklug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
17:11 < Prodego> they are impractical, but perfectly secure
17:11 < Revent> Everything the government does that's Secret or higher.
17:11 < Revent> (like diplomatic comms)
17:11 < Prodego> Revent: that isn't true
17:11 < Hahc21> hey guys
17:12 < mareklug> by the way, a major caveat.  all this falls down like a house of cards come quantum computing.
17:12 < mareklug> none of this crypto stuff stands up.
17:12 < Prodego> mareklug: one time pads will still be perfectly secure
17:12 < Revent> Prodego: The 'cds' they distribute to embassies and such are OTPs of deep space radio noise...
17:12 < Swob> never heard of 'one time pads'
17:12 < Swob> oh, the names they think of for new inventions
17:13 < Prodego> Revent: I'm not saying that nothing is secured that way, but most definitely everything isn't
17:13 < JohnChrysostom> one time pads will, but who or what actually uses them
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17:13 < JohnChrysostom> (one-time pads are incredibly ancient, I believe, nearly as old as the transposition cipher)
17:13 < Revent> Well, ok, 'everything' was vague....but high level secure commas are 'supposed' to move that way.
17:14 < Revent> They are ancient, but the only unbreakable method.
17:14 < Prodego> yep, yep
17:14 < JohnChrysostom> but nigh unusable even with computers too
17:14 < Prodego> Well using them is the easy part
17:14 < JohnChrysostom> think of the "security-usability" continuum with respect to OTP crypto
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17:14 < Revent> The 'logistics' can suck, tho.
17:14 < Prodego> distributing the pad is the hard part
17:15 < JohnChrysostom> that's part of what makes them "hard to use", in a general sense
17:15 < Revent> There have been 'disposable' OTP encryption devices made...pen drive type thing, toss when empty.
17:15 < JohnChrysostom> Even government and corporate users rarely want to put up with more than a password, or maybe 2 factor authentication, IME
17:16 < bazinga> I AM ON GOOGLE STREETVIEW
17:16 < bazinga> my life goal has been achieved
17:16 < Carly-> -_-
17:16  * bazinga gave the car the finga
17:16 < Carly-> Wow?
17:17 < mareklug> bazinga you mean your own ugly face?
17:17 < JohnChrysostom> very impractical, still... even for archiving... maybe useful for the highest-of-the-high-security crypto dealing with one-time communications, like... espionage?
17:17 < Revent> http://tinyurl.com/bbrva85
17:17 < JohnChrysostom> that's just about all I can think of, that (from film and fictional depictions) that might require or put up with that level of crypto
17:17 < mareklug> Prodego sure.  digitally, right?  else courier carry paper
17:18 < Revent> That's really what it's used for, and 'diplomatic intel' type stuff.
17:18 < JohnChrysostom> now, if there's a computer that could break ANYTHING easily, people would have to use OTP out of necessity
17:18 < Prodego> mareklug: you could do it with paper if you wanted, but digitially lets you send much more
17:18 < Prodego> so practically yes
17:18 < a930913> Vandalism is done by Americans at work, and a bit at hom after work: http://bit.ly/180Xhfo
17:18 < a930913> s/hom/home/
17:18 < mareklug> Prodego I was saying, that digital transmission is cannon fodder for QC
17:18 < bazinga> Revent: that's hilarious
17:19 < JohnChrysostom> mareklug: for when they actually have quantum computers...
17:19 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom they already do.
17:19 < JohnChrysostom> qubits have been "ten years away" for fifty years.
17:19 < mareklug> they already publicly disclose NASA getting a 15 million one.
17:19 < JohnChrysostom> again, "usable" quantum computers
17:19 < Revent> bazinga: There are a number of versions with different amounts of 'censorship'
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17:21 < Pote> ._.
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17:21 < JohnChrysostom> mareklug: after a quick google, it appears I was wrong
17:21 < JohnChrysostom> and "usable" qcs have indeed been developed
17:21 < JohnChrysostom> I'm far behind the times on my engineeringstoff
17:21 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom we don't know to what practical uses NSA has already put this stuff to.
17:22 < Prodego> mareklug: you cannot decrypt something that isn't encrypted
17:22 < Revent> *hehs* NSA is a unique definition of 'practical'.
17:22 < Prodego> mareklug: so QC will not help you with a OTP
17:22 < JohnChrysostom> still, as long as it's not mainstream (64-bits mainstream), there's little most people would care, I think
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17:23 < JohnChrysostom> it's theoretically (and quasi-philosophically) interesting nevertheless
17:23 < Prodego> mareklug: all a one time pad is is to take a big array of random numbers and XOR it with your data
17:23 < Prodego> mareklug: there is no way to recover the message except to know the random numbers (which are what are on the pad)
17:23 < clara> hello
17:23 < Prodego> clara: hi
17:24 < Carly-> Hey clara
17:24 < clara> alguien habla español
17:24 < Carly-> Si
17:24 < Carly-> Aqui
17:24 < Prodego> mareklug: so if you steal the pad, you can decrypt the message
17:24 < clara> aaaaa y de donde son
17:24 < mareklug> clara NADIE HABLA español aqui.  solamente portuguese.
17:24 < Carly-> Que pasa clara
17:24 < clara> aaaaaaaaaaa
17:25 < Carly-> Heh
17:25 < Carly-> Clara yo soy de Chile
17:25 < Pote> XD
17:25 < clara> ooo llaveo
17:25 < Pote> clara: soy de venezuela :D
17:25 < mareklug> begin the spanish teenagers misbehaving hour
17:25 < clara> yo tanbien
17:25 < Pote> clara:  enserio
17:25 < mareklug> there is only spanish soy on the channel.  and I thought spanish was rice.
17:25 < clara> de que parte de venezuela
17:25 < Pote> :-?
17:25 < Pote> caracas
17:25 < Pote> :D
17:25 < Carly-> Clara yo.vivoen Chile
17:26 < clara> yo de lara
17:26 < Carly-> Y pote es mi bro
17:26 < Carly-> Xd
17:26 < clara> aaaaaaaaa
17:26 < mareklug> clara te gusta Chávez?
17:26 < clara> ok
17:26 < Pote> XD
17:26 < clara> a mi tanbien
17:26 < Carly-> Yo de Santiago
17:26 < Pote> clara: amas a chavez?
17:26 < clara> aaaaaaaaa
17:26 < Pote> o sos madurista
17:26 < Pote> :D
17:26 < clara> si lo amo
17:26 < Carly-> Xd
17:26 < Pote> clara: o eres escualida
17:26 < Pote> XD
17:27 < Carly-> Hahahahaha
17:27 < clara> no no soy escualida seras tu
17:27 < Pote> :-?
17:27 < Carly-> Xd
17:27 < Pote> pues vaya a saber
17:27 < Pote> xd
17:27 < Carly-> Clara el pote es man
17:27 < Carly-> Xs
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17:27 < JohnChrysostom> QUE?
17:27 < Carly-> Xp
17:27 < Pote> xd
17:27 < clara> aaaaaa
17:27 < JohnChrysostom> write in Latin at least
17:27 < clara> jajajajajaja
17:27 < Pote> :o
17:27 < mareklug> clara Poto es nuestro tonto del pueblo aqui, en este canal
17:28 < Pote> mareklug: respeta
17:28 < Carly-> Ya salto el Jhon crusa
17:28 < Carly-> Eh
17:28 < clara> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
17:28 < Pote> Carly-:  dile que respete
17:28 < JohnChrysostom> that still doesn't look like Latin to me...
17:28 < Pote> -.-
17:28 < Pote> :
17:28 < Pote> oigan
17:28 < Carly-> Eh
17:28 < Pote> ese tal JohannesC
17:28 < foks> wtf.
17:28 < clara> jjajajajjjajajjajaja
17:28 < foks> please try to stick to english
17:28 < mareklug> foks say in espańol, please.
17:28 < Pote> este tal JohnChrysostom dice qe nos callemos :/
17:28 < foks> or take it to another channel
17:28 < Pote> okay
17:28 < Pote> :|
17:28 < foks> Tell me
17:28 < JohnChrysostom> Greek? Old Slavonic? Aethiopic? Hebrew?
17:28 < foks> which channel is this
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17:29 < clara> yo hablo en español foks
17:29 < foks> (hint, the english wikipedia's channel)
17:29 < JohnChrysostom> wikipedia-EN
17:29 < mareklug> eeemyergenceee, eeemyergenceee, everybody to get from street!
17:29 < Prodego> Well you can use spanish, but don't dominate the channel with off-topic discussion that isn't english
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17:29 < Pote> :-)
17:29 < Prodego> on topic spanish, aok
17:29 < Pote> ok
17:29 < clara> quien be violeta
17:29 < Pote> new topic: espanenglish Carly- :D
17:29 < Carly-> Yo!
17:29 < Pote> yo
17:29 < Carly-> No
17:29 < Carly-> Hagagga Spanenglish
17:29 < Carly-> Lol
17:29 < JohnChrysostom> I figured there to be little actual discussion taking place in rapid exchanges of three-word messages...
17:29 < Pote> :)
17:30 < Carly-> Pote :D
17:30 < clara> que dicen
17:30 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom basically their ethernet tops at IQ10
17:30 < Pote> Carly-:  creo que ese foks es op de este canal
17:30 < Prodego> JohnChrysostom: well that is a seperate issue
17:30 < Pote> is in english
17:30 < Carly-> Clara and Pote behave
17:30 < Pote> :|
17:30 < clara> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
17:30 < Prodego> johnChrysostom: and a much more annoying one at that
17:30 < Carly-> Clara and pote behave
17:30 < Pote> clara: pleases english
17:30 < Pote> XD
17:30 < clara> aa no entiendo
17:30 < Carly-> :|
17:30 < Pote> :-)
17:30 < mareklug> clara eres tu una tonta del pueblo, porfis?
17:30 < Pote> okay
17:30 < Pote> go go go marekaclub
17:31 < clara> que que hable ingles
17:31 < Carly-> Mareklug Insulting in spanish will not solve the things
17:31 < Carly-> ;)
17:31 < Pote> Carly-: you invitede marekaclub
17:31 < Pote> :D
17:31 < clara> :-$
17:31 < Carly-> Marek club?
17:31 < Carly-> O.o
17:31 < Pote> yes
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17:31 < Pote> oh YEAHH°°°
17:31 < mareklug> carly we already tolerate one venezuelan idiot here.  two would be asking too much.  anybody whose major utterance is "aaaaaaaaa" is not fucking welcome here.  bastante.
17:31 < JohnChrysostom> Homines ecce Mandatum novum do vobis hodie, et non misi nuntios tuos, pauciores.
17:32 < clara> jagudh
17:32 < clara> gggh
17:32 < clara> hgyh
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17:32 < Prodego> ok enough now
17:32 < Pote> :(
17:32 < Pote> why?
17:32 < Pote> is fun :|
17:32 < mareklug> Pote get teh fuck off the channel, Bradford.  You make the hood worse.
17:32 < Prodego> well we want to have this channel be a bit more than that
17:32 < JohnChrysostom> Iesu Christe, miserere!
17:33 < clara> todos ustedes son unos tontos
17:33 < Carly-> Bueno mareklug you take the chance to insult in spanish and after try to pretend be an angel like if you didnt anything
17:33 < Carly-> That even you dont believe it
17:33 < Pote> :|
17:33 < JohnChrysostom> Homines, ecce: MANDATUM NOVUM do vobis hodie, et non misi nuntios tuos, PAUCIORES!
17:33 < mareklug> carly i will insult in english
17:33 < Pote> okay
17:33 < Pote> STOP
17:33 < clara> a ber si eso lo entienede y escriben en español
17:33 < Pote> writhe english
17:33 < Pote> not speak english
17:33 < mareklug> writhe, eh?  that was amusing.
17:33 < Pote> como sea
17:33 < Prodego> anyway, moving on from this topic
17:34 < JohnChrysostom> You should be able to puzzle out the MANDATUM NOVUM
17:34 < Carly-> I will explain to clara
17:34 < clara> pote tu y que eras de caracas
17:34 < Carly-> And you shut up
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17:34 < Carly-> Clara este es canal en Ingles sal de aqui
17:34 < Pote> clara: Soy de caracas, pero acá se habla inglés
17:34 < JohnChrysostom> Loosely, "Men, behold this new commandment: send less messages"
17:34 < Pote> pleases
17:34 < Pote> :-)
17:34 < clara> aaaaaa despues que son muy chebres bueno me ire
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17:35 < Pote> good bye clara :D
17:35 < Carly-> Clara fuera.
17:35 < Swob> BobTheWikipedian did you solve the problem,?
17:35 < Swob> just curiius
17:35 < Pote> 0_o
17:35 < BobTheWikipedian> no but hey
17:35 < clara> yo no  se habla ingles
17:35 < Carly-> Clara sal de aqui o te echamos
17:35 < JohnChrysostom> Progedo: do you have the authority to implement the MANDATUM?
17:35 < Carly-> Xd
17:35 < Pote> xd
17:35 < Prodego> ok guys
17:35 < Prodego> enough spammy messages
17:35 < clara> guatitifox
17:35 < JohnChrysostom> Prodego: that's a lot of authority, Bub.
17:35 < Pote> Carly-:  new topic on #wikipedia-en : Bradford and carly news president for wikipedian
17:35 < Pote> XD
17:36 < Prodego> JohnChrysostom: I try to be nice
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17:36 < Carly-> Clara Fuera.fuera
17:36 < Carly-> Pote in your.dreams
17:36 < Pote> :|
17:36 < Pote> bye
17:36 < Pote> my friend
17:36 < Carly-> Bye.
17:37 < Pote> go to sleep
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17:37 < Swob> hey look who's back: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SQL
17:37 < Pote> el martes tengo un examen de inglés Carly-
17:37 < Pote> |:
17:37 < bazinga> Swob: doctor dre
17:37 < Prodego> Swob: hey!
17:37 < mareklug> swob I find it dismal that normal large food supermarket no longer stocks salsa or salsa sauce marked hot, everything is mild or medium, and the medium stuff is mild to me.  no more red-capped Pace Picante jars.  Sucks to me 2013.
17:37 < clara> go to slee
17:37 < JohnChrysostom> I suppose you could add Ajencis' First Corollary to the MANDATUM to the rules: "If thou wishest to spam, thou shalt be privileged to do so, only if thou dost do it in a dead language, which thou canst write thyself"
17:37 < Carly-> Ok ok
17:38 < Carly-> Pote I will help you
17:39 < JohnChrysostom> Retaining to myself the prerogative to spam in Latin or Attic Greek.
17:39 < clara> pote y carly lobe you
17:39 < Pote> ._.
17:39 < Swob> marek your supermarket is letting you down
17:39 < Carly-> Hehe we too
17:40 < Swob> I have plenty of choices for salsa here
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17:40 < Swob> anything from baby-safe to the kind of stuff thats so powerful you can put one drop in a bowl of chili and still taste the difference
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17:40 < Swob> and plenty different brands
17:40 < Revent> Wouldn't that kinda allow spamming lorem ipsum, tho?
17:41 < Swob> Mrs Renfro's is a good choice if you want a very hot sauce that isnt just about the heat
17:41 < clara> y carly
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17:42 < clara> u
17:42 < JohnChrysostom> Super-hot heat for the sake of heat is horrible in food
17:42 < JohnChrysostom> think "atomic" wings
17:42 < clara> h
17:42 < Revent> ^^
17:42 < clara> rjd
17:42 < clara> shll
17:42 < clara> ljh
17:42 < clara> jjjjjj
17:42 < clara> oooo
17:42 < Carly-> Clara No
17:42 < clara> oooooooooo
17:42 < Carly-> Para
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17:42 < Swob> i agree
17:42 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+q *!*@200.11.216.225] by Prodego
17:43 < Swob> I used to consantly outdo myself by putting more and more spices on everything I ate, but I got over it
17:43 < Swob> I still love spicy food but not enough to put jalapeṇos/habaneros/etc on eeeeverything i eat
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17:43 < JohnChrysostom> Now, I like spices... I eat my meat (in the 16th-century sense of "food") after the style of a rich mediaeval king
17:43 < JohnChrysostom> heavily spiced, probably rotten
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17:44 < Revent> That's what MSG is for.
17:44 < JohnChrysostom> Spice is much different from heat
17:44 < Swob> i love MSG
17:44 < JohnChrysostom> everyone loves MSG
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17:44 < Swob> i think msot people, at least around here, dont even know what it is
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17:44 < Koi> Prodego: you're nice :(
17:44 < Koi> what if they were just inventing a new language.
17:44 < JohnChrysostom> almost everyone knows what it is that I've met: "the stuff in Chinese food that makes you sick"
17:45 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate
17:45 < Revent> Seaweed goop.
17:45 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom you saw this?  http://www.nature.com/news/google-and-nasa-snap-up-quantum-computer-1.12999
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17:45 < JohnChrysostom> How many languages are written without vowels, and no pattern of root words? A nice math problem: "How much information can be expressed in three hundred repetitions of between one and four letters 'a'?"
17:45 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom MSG in Jakarta came in plastic bags marked "gourmet spice"
17:46 < Revent> *lol*
17:46 < JohnChrysostom> Isn't that kind of like "premium vodka"?
17:46 < bazinga> a couple of G's... an R and an E.... an I and an N....
17:46 < mareklug> that was low and trolling
17:46 < Swob> wouldnt that just be 4^300 ?
17:46 < bazinga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw prejudice
17:47 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Prodego] by Prodego
17:47 < Prodego> Koi: WP:NOR :)
17:47 < Koi> Prodego: WP:NPA accusing me of original research
17:47 < JohnChrysostom> I think it's around 240 bits of information
17:47 < mareklug> bazinga Sven Manguard links him here all the time
17:47 < Koi> !o p s Prodego is abusing!
17:47 < JohnChrysostom> less than a single sentence, unless the sentence was "STOP!"
17:47 < Revent> JohnChrysostom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistled_language
17:48 < JohnChrysostom> And if it takes that long to say, "STOP!", maybe that's what they were saying, in their conlang
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17:48 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom what about the Bushmen of Kalahari's clicking speech?
17:48 < Swob> whaaat
17:48 < Swob> you guys went over my head
17:48 < JohnChrysostom> Imagine it only having one click, that could be repeated up to four times
17:48 < Revent> Swob: languages without vowels.
17:48 < JohnChrysostom> no different pitches or intonations
17:49 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c246fZ-7z1w  "Click Language" and the San Bushmen People Swob
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17:49 < JohnChrysostom> even morse code has two "letters", as does everything digital
17:49 < JohnChrysostom> so, "aa aaaa a aaa aa a a aaa" is an extremely clumsy cipher, I deduce
17:49 < JohnChrysostom> like one of those joke programming languages
17:50 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom like the whitespace programming langauge?
17:50 < Swob> i wonder why birds dont have languages
17:50 < JohnChrysostom> Unless "srg gk nd" are... nouns?
17:50 < mareklug> Swob they have tiny brains.  they are basically wetware mp3 players
17:51 < JohnChrysostom> mareklug: never heard of that one, but looked it up - yeah, like that
17:51 < JohnChrysostom> aaaa
17:51 < JohnChrysostom> a
17:51 < mareklug> whale and dolphins on the other hand have real language
17:51 < JohnChrysostom> mareklug: LOL
17:51 < JohnChrysostom> I wonder if a sparrow could be made to rickroll, then?
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17:52 < JohnChrysostom> I always thought "whale language" was the fictional plot device of Star Trek IV
17:52 < Revent> JohnChrysostom: You could do it with a budgie.
17:53 < Swob> there are some birds that c an understand human speech
17:53 < Swob> e.g. enwp.org/Alex_the_Parrot
17:53 < Swob> and yeah dolphins can talk
17:54 < mareklug> Swob so can dogs.  the idea is they are understanding a lot nonverbal communication and also emotions.
17:54 < Swob> ugh. dogs
17:54 < mareklug> dogs can also figure out when they can get away with stuff in the dark
17:54 < Swob> thats not really the same thing
17:54 < Swob> dogs are smart but they dont have lignuistic skills, either to understand or to produce
17:54 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucbplrd/id24.htm
17:55 < JohnChrysostom> Isn't the whole dog thing a myth? That dogs are intelligent, or have emotional awareness, etc.?
17:55 < Swob> i think it's mostly true
17:55 < Carly-> Prodego sorry for not behave with you
17:55 < Prodego> No problems Carly-
17:55 < Swob> granted though that different breeds of dogs go further than others, and that humans will see a lot of things they only want to see
17:56 < JohnChrysostom> Swob: that's an even weaker evidence base than my young-earthism has!
17:56 < Carly-> Prodego ok bro!
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17:56 < Swob> domesticated dogs are basically wolves that are perpetually in childhood
17:56 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom the upshot: "Although the result was not perfect, it still constitutes an indication of the existence of grammar within the songs of the humpback whale. Grammar is an attribute of language, but not simpler communicative signals, and so this result supports the hypothesis that the primary function of the song is language."
17:56 < Swob> they see humans as the "leaders" of the wolf pack
17:56 < Swob> thus they stick close to humans for protection
17:56 < JohnChrysostom> {{cn}}
17:56 < Swob> and food etc
17:57 < Revent> ^^ swob
17:57 < Koi> is it synthesis to say "deadliest since" when it's simple math (x>y and y>z and x<z and x>p)?
17:58 < Prodego> Koi: if a rule ever seems stupid, ignore it :)
17:58 < Prodego> so go for it
17:58 < Koi> Prodego: I don't edit anymore.
17:58 < JohnChrysostom> the only rule I follow is IAR
17:58 < JohnChrysostom> and, "when it doubt, curse on the talk page"
17:58 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom seen this?  http://www.aahanet.org/blog/NewStat/post/2013/02/13/650098/Study-suggests-dogs-comprehend-human-point-of-view.aspx
17:58 < Koi> Prodego: Theres a CN http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_Moore_tornado&curid=39440141&diff=556190760&oldid=556190681 <---- there, on a "deadliest since". I think it detracts from the article.
17:59 < JohnChrysostom> mareklug: still reading about the whales, quite a long article
17:59 < Swob> whoa
17:59 < Swob> you can bring dogs to a veterinarian to have their ability to bark taken away
17:59 < Prodego> Koi: could be useful to provide a link to some sort of list of deaths per tornado or something if it exists
17:59 < Swob> i guess dog barking is kind of annoying
17:59 < Revent> I think that cn is because of the 'according to the weather service'
17:59 < Prodego> if you have to manually check every tornado well tha would be a pain
17:59 < Koi> Oh.
18:00 < Swob> if you lived in a place with 1000 dogs it would be quite cacophonous both for the humans and the dogs
18:00 < JohnChrysostom> “Humans constantly attribute certain qualities and emotions to other living things. We know that our own dog is clever or sensitive, but that’s us thinking, not them,” - that's what I always thought
18:00 < Koi> you know, I hate how the weather editors push their "NWS IS KING AMG" onto articles.
18:00 < Koi> For example, they wouldn't update it to EF5 until NWS called it such
18:00 < JohnChrysostom> Kaminski said. “These results suggest humans might be right, where dogs are concerned, but we still can’t be completely sure if the results mean dog have a truly flexible understanding of the mind and others’ minds. It has always been assumed that only humans had this ability.”
18:00 < Koi> When EVERY meteorologist said it's EF5.
18:00 < Koi> It's stupid if you ask me.
18:00 < Prodego> Well its not a bad way to do it
18:00 < Swob> koi whats youre WP username?
18:00 < JohnChrysostom> Koi: was there an edit war about it?
18:00 < Koi> Swob: you know me ;p
18:00 < Swob> i do?
18:00 < Jasper_Deng> Swob: Koi=gwickwire
18:00 < Koi> IDF:
18:00 < Swob> koi is a fish
18:00 < Swob> oh ok
18:01 < Koi> Jasper_Deng: stfu, WO people here log this -.-
18:01 < Swob> well there was no clue in the /whois that you were gwick
18:01 < Koi> YES, I TRIED TO ELIMINATE THAT THANK YOU.
18:01 < JohnChrysostom> I am me, that's easy to remember
18:01 < Carly-> O.O MAMA MIA
18:02 < JohnChrysostom> (Analyzing language: first packet, three letters 'a')
18:02 < Swob> to be fair though
18:02 < Swob> http://www.aahanet.org/blog/NewStat/post/2013/02/13/650098/Study-suggests-dogs-comprehend-human-point-of-view.aspx
18:02 < mareklug> koi why did you went undercover, you Manitoban pissant?
18:02 < Swob> is pretty unimpessive
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18:02 < Koi> AGH STOP IT YOU ALL YOU RUINED ME :(
18:02 < Swob> I mean come on
18:02 < Prodego> Koi is broken now
18:02 < Bsadowski1> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/10070798/How-the-Telegraph-was-hacked.html
18:02 < Prodego> RIP
18:02 < Swob> lots of animals much less "advanced" than dogs can understand that humans cant see in the dark
18:02 < Koi> I can't stay here if ya'll are going to bring the past up
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18:03 < Bsadowski1> What the fuck happened to companies telling their employees never to enter their information to unknown websites
18:03 < JohnChrysostom> even the abstract says as much
18:03 < Prodego> Bsadowski1: well they probably did, but you only need one person to do it, and..
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18:04 < JohnChrysostom> I suppose they still do, and the employees don't listen, or don't realize it's another website (phishing)
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18:04 < Revent> Yeah, I think that 'study' was a publon.
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18:04 < NotKoi> hello English Wikipedians.
18:04 < JohnChrysostom> Swob: “That’s incredible because it implies dogs understand the human can’t see them, meaning they might understand the human perspective,” Kaminski said. - that's a hell of a lot of hedging, and a massive conclusion drawn like a pyramid perched on its peak
18:04 < Carly-> Hi
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18:04 < Swob> whoa 5 million people are bitten by dogs every year
18:05 < mareklug> "[20:00:10] <Swob>	 if you lived in a place with 1000 dogs it would be quite cacophonous both for the humans and the dogs"  <-- you mean our Cincinnati neighborhood?
18:05 < JohnChrysostom> "dogs learn to steal in the dark" - > "dogs might possibly be able to 'know' that humans can't see them in some sense" -> "dogs might understand humans"
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18:06 < Revent> The UofPortsmouth story is better...
18:06 < Carly-> Hi NotKoi
18:06 < Revent> http://www.port.ac.uk/uopnews/2013/02/11/dogs-may-understand-human-point-of-view/
18:06 < Swob> oh well I cant find what I was going to use as proof that dogs are juvenile wolves
18:06 < JohnChrysostom> LOL, I thought "How the telegraph was hacked" referred to some Steampunk phreaker
18:07 < NotKoi> Hello everyone :D
18:07 < Revent> Swob: That's common knowledge, tbh...or should be..
18:07 < Carly-> :D
18:07 < Revent> Swob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog#Specialization
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18:08 < JohnChrysostom> But the fact that dogs are juvenile wolves... implies intelligence?!
18:09 < JohnChrysostom> {{synth}}
18:09 < Swob> not intelligence no
18:09 < Swob> dogs are not known to be significantly smarter than wolves, just easier to control and communicate with for humans
18:09 < Swob> and some breeds of dogs are almost certainly dumber than wild wolves
18:09 < Revent> They've evolved to 'trick' people into anthropomorphizing (sic) them.
18:10 < Revent> But not imo 'consciously'
18:10 < JohnChrysostom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heidishow.jpg LOL
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18:10 < JohnChrysostom> "anthropomorphizing" is a word
18:11 < JohnChrysostom> at least, I've used it repeatedly before in published work
18:11 < JohnChrysostom> so I think it is
18:11 < Revent> Yeah, the (sic) was my not spelling it worth a damn
18:11 < JohnChrysostom> God forbid I'm one of those philosophers who is always coining so many neologisms they write in their own personal argot
18:12 < JohnChrysostom> which would be the case if "anthropomorphizing" wasn't a word
18:12 < mareklug> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/us/politics/leahy-voices-optimism-as-panel-continues-work-on-immigration-bill.html?emc=na&_r=0
18:12 < mareklug> yay
18:12 < mareklug> Panel in Senate Sends Immigration Bill to the Floor
18:13 < Revent> Gawd, Orrin Hatch hasn't turned into coal yet?
18:13 < JohnChrysostom> Like the sociologist who wrote "The Sacred Canopy", or Teilhard de Chardin
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18:13 < JohnChrysostom> "[T]he fight is expected to last through June."
18:14 < Swob> also yeah the hunting dog was probably the "original"
18:14 < Swob> the other ones evolved off of that
18:14 < mareklug> the camp dog was the original
18:14 < Swob> then again who knows, humans in 40000 BC didnt have guns
18:14 < Revent> I love the 'tone' of some of the NYT's political reporting...
18:14 < JohnChrysostom> snoop dog was the original
18:14 < Swob> maybe th dogs actually did kill animals and then give up the dead animals to the humans
18:14 < Revent> This slight air of faint disgust...
18:14 < Swob> or at least they would coopearte
18:15 < mareklug> The conservatives said the bill was “bloated and unwieldy,” comparing it to President Obama’s health care bill.    ORLY?  what about the bloated deficits the Repubicans dragged the country into with their IRAQ WAR and TAX CUTS
18:16 < JohnChrysostom> Democratic politics and dogs, welcome back to en-wp
18:17 < JohnChrysostom> Mareklug: "ORLY" doesn't work without the owl.
18:17 < Revent> JohnChrysostom: I don't think you were here earlier when some troll came into -help asking how to call satan.
18:17 < JohnChrysostom> ORLY?
18:18 < Swob> ok here's an owl
18:18 < Swob> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Asio_otus_Erdei_f%C3%BClesbagoly.jpg
18:18 < Revent> I pointed him at "Evocation"
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18:18 < Revent> Er, or whatever the redirect is...
18:18 < Swob> ok since it wont load http://zsoldosmarton.hu/madarak/800x600/01.jpg
18:19 < JohnChrysostom> I've written four separate bad replies/jokes to the calling of Satan
18:19 < JohnChrysostom> I'm a monk, so I should be able to come up with one, you would think
18:19 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evocation
18:19 < Swob> Wikimedia Commons is down!!
18:20 < JohnChrysostom> On the other hand, I'd probably have pointed him to the Lesser Key of Solomon
18:20 < mareklug> Swob are you being kute or is commons not working?  I see a perfectly transparent nothing.
18:20 < Swob> Error 503 Service Unavailable
18:20 < Swob> Guru Meditation: XID: 2007451398
18:20 < Swob> Varnish cache server
18:20 < JohnChrysostom> it works for me
18:20 < mareklug> well, go on then!  varnish the thing.
18:20 < JohnChrysostom> LOL
18:20 < mareklug> be sure to use the best wood stain.
18:21 < JohnChrysostom> "varnish the server"
18:21 < NotKoi> HI SWOB
18:21 < JohnChrysostom> I wonder if there's a market for that, since server rooms can get a bit dusty
18:21 < Revent> Ye, commons def working...just started streaming the song of the day.
18:21 < mareklug> only works for the fine wood-veneered servers
18:21 < Swob> whoa, Pichilemu is on DYK and iti snt Diego Grez's article
18:21 < mareklug> you want Grand Poupon with that?
18:22 < Swob> oh wait it is him LOL
18:22 < Swob> Diego changed his username
18:22 < Swob> i knew it was too good to be true
18:23 < JohnChrysostom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakeia - AfD?
18:24 < JohnChrysostom> An editorial rant about modern pharmaceuticals under the name of an ancient Greek cognate with reference to Strong's Concordance....
18:24 < Swob> ive seen that word somewhere
18:24 < Swob> oh no it was pharmacos
18:24 < JohnChrysostom> it's wikilinked in "evocation"
18:25 < Swob> yeah you can AfD it, i wont vote delete though
18:25 < JohnChrysostom> pharmakon is translated as "Drug addict" in one very idiosyncratic translation of the new testament (instead of "sorceror")
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18:25 < Swob> thats quite a range of meanings
18:25 < JohnChrysostom> You would vote "keep"? For one big piece of userpage ranting?
18:25 < Swob> do you happen to know whuich verse?
18:25 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom sorcerer *
18:25 < JohnChrysostom> I correct people who spell it thus!
18:26 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorceror_(horse)
18:26 < mareklug> basically, it is like Dwayne and Dwyane
18:26 < JohnChrysostom> swob: I believe it's in one of the Pauline vice-lists in the "Catholic Public Domain Version"
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18:26 < mareklug> a misspelling that took root in the 1920s
18:27 < JohnChrysostom> You do mean "Dwayne" and "Duane"?!
18:27 < mareklug> no, I mean the frigging Dwyane
18:27 < JohnChrysostom> Dwyane?
18:27 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwyane_Wade
18:28 < mareklug> also look in baby names
18:28 < JohnChrysostom> he's a basketball sorceror?
18:28 < Swob> ok
18:29 < mareklug> he sure is
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18:31 < Revent> That's just horrible.
18:32 < JohnChrysostom> What? Sercery?
18:32 < JohnChrysostom> Sorcory*?
18:32 < Revent> I think the actual pronunciation is "My parents were dumb"
18:32 < mareklug> ser is polish for cheese
18:32 < Revent> No, Dwyane.
18:32 < JohnChrysostom> It's Westrosian for "Knight"
18:32 < mareklug> Revent except his paw is also named that, so the grandpa is at fault
18:33 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom I think it would be befitting distinguished persons in metal packaging to bear honorifics such as Cheese such-and-such
18:33 < Amqui> good evening
18:34 < mareklug> Amqui good evening to you.
18:34 < JohnChrysostom> Whaa?
18:34 < Amqui> hi mareklug
18:34 < mareklug> Cheese Arthur
18:34 < JohnChrysostom> metal packaging? lol
18:34 < JohnChrysostom> like a haubergeon? (one of those great King James words)
18:34 < mareklug> well, tinfoil, but they did not have it that thin then
18:35 < JohnChrysostom> It would still be "King" Arthur but "Cheese Galahad"
18:35 < mareklug> Cheese Lancelot
18:35 < Carly-> Good night
18:35 < mareklug> Cheese Lancelot Blueveined
18:35 < mareklug> Carly don't let the door hit you on the way out you know where.
18:36 < JohnChrysostom> The way out of where? I don't know where!
18:36 < Carly-> I am.not.Marek.to do that
18:36 < mareklug> Carly- you have never seen a saloon on a western movie?
18:36 < Carly-> ;)
18:36 < Carly-> Mmmm oh
18:36 < JohnChrysostom> Syntactic obscurity is surely worse than sorcerors?
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18:37 < Carly-> No.
18:37 < JohnChrysostom> Non sequitur alurt
18:37 < mareklug> Carly- you have not lived.  you don't like wine.  you have not seen westerns.  you have yet to taste a Wendy's hamburger.
18:38 < JohnChrysostom> I don't like wine either... I went through a phase where I tried to be refined and snobby, so I learned wine, but I never came to like it
18:38 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom it goes well with cheese
18:38 < JohnChrysostom> Now, beer, that's a different story... (Budweiser = not beer. Chimay = beer.)
18:38 < mareklug> beer, too.
18:38 < mareklug> wine goes well with beer, I meant to quip.
18:39 < mareklug> czech Budweiser is allegedly beer as well.
18:39 < JohnChrysostom> The beer to get you drunk and taste good and the wine to make thee ill?
18:39 < Carly-> Mareklug I dont like much the hamburgers
18:39 < Carly-> :|
18:39 < JohnChrysostom> "Budweiser Budvar" I think it's called
18:39 < mareklug> carly what do you like?
18:39 < JohnChrysostom> Now, everyone likes Hamburgers
18:39 < Carly-> I like happy meals xd
18:39 < JohnChrysostom> that IS A HAMBURGER!
18:39 < mareklug> happy meals are hamburgers for idiots
18:39 < Carly-> Mareklug the mcdonald.xd
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18:40 < mareklug> mcdonald is not fit to eat
18:40 < JohnChrysostom> MarekDonald?
18:40 < mareklug> it is a hamburger of last resort.
18:40 < JohnChrysostom> McDonald's is nasty, but other fast food hamburgers can be good
18:40 < mareklug> a resort bereft/devoid of a single Wendy's.
18:40 < JohnChrysostom> McDonalds has good breakfast sandwiches though
18:41 < Carly-> Mmm czech¿
18:41 < Swob> you just like the redhead in their advertisements
18:41 < Carly-> I would like to taste something Czech
18:41 < mareklug> Carly- yeah, Czech.  It's like Polish, except funny.
18:41 < Revent> Grolsch
18:41 < Revent> :)
18:41 < mareklug> Swob no, I passionately like from time to time to bite into the baconator.  and other such.  the redhead as well
18:42 < Carly-> dear mareklug
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18:42 < Carly-> I SAID I LIKE HAPPY MEALS
18:42 < Carly-> What part of that dont understand
18:42 < lizze> hello all
18:42 < mareklug> que es eso happy meals?
18:42 < Carly-> :|
18:42 < JohnChrysostom> Czechs have unique food? I've never heard of "Czech cuisine"
18:42 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom sure.  ask petan.
18:43 < JohnChrysostom> I figured it would be standard Russian-Polish eastern European fare
18:43 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom he will confirm that they sell french fries stuffed into buns.  without anything else there.  oh, well, you can have tartar sauce and ketchup for extra.
18:43 < mareklug> i told you they were funny.
18:43 < Carly-> Las cajitas felices
18:43 < Carly-> Del.mcdonald
18:43 < JohnChrysostom> like how falafel is the signature dish of everywhere in the middle east, Greece, etc. to most people
18:43 < mareklug> falafel is pure lebanese to me
18:44 < Swob> it is?
18:44 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom you are being expansionist Greek.
18:44 < Carly-> Mareklug I like McDonald's food,Pedro Juan y Diego
18:44 < JohnChrysostom> I am an expansionist Greek.
18:44 < Swob> oh no!!!
18:44 < Carly-> :|
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18:44 < Swob> JohnChrysostom is a sock of that guy who got blocked earlier for being an expansionist Greek
18:44 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom you should lay claim to Greek food, not food Greeks love to eat
18:44  * Carly- goes to sleep angry
18:44 < JohnChrysostom> Dolmadakia?
18:45 < JohnChrysostom> Avgolemono?
18:45 < mareklug> Carly- like I said, don't let the sun hit you on the door that don't get no shine.
18:45 < Swob> avgolemono is the best soup I know
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18:45 < mareklug> Swob surely it cannot equal the Indian mulligathwaney
18:45 < JohnChrysostom> Avgolemono won't regain Cyprus...
18:45 < Carly-> Mareklug I am not you.
18:45 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulligatawny
18:46 < Swob> nothing beats properly prepared avgolemono. I'll give mulligatwaney a try sometime though
18:46 < Swob> nah
18:46 < Swob> i dont think i'd like it
18:47 < mareklug> it is delish.  then there is the red borsht with uszki
18:47 < mareklug> you know what uszki means?
18:47 < Swob> I dont really like soup
18:47 < mareklug> little ears
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18:47 < JohnChrysostom> properly prepared avgolemono isn't a soup
18:47 < Carly-> Lol
18:47 < JohnChrysostom> it's thicker than chili and could be eaten with a fork
18:47  * Carly- eats water
18:47 < Carly-> Mareklug xupate esta
18:48 < mareklug> carly chupate esta
18:48 < Carly-> Hahahaha
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18:48 < Carly-> Mareklug t voy a levantart d la penca
18:48 < Carly-> Xdddd
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18:49 < JohnChrysostom> Was there really a guy on here banned for being an imperialist Hellenist?
18:49 < mareklug> Carly- vaya con dios. no dejes que la puerta te golpee donde el sol no brilla
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18:49 < JohnChrysostom> Good thing I stay away from anything with the sequence "urk" in it to be on the safe side
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18:50 < ChrisGualtieri> I got a vandal or an idiot revert warring me over this. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bridgeport%2C_California&diff=556141211&oldid=556056454
18:50 < Swob> JohnChrysostom i think so yeah but he never gave his name
18:50 < Swob> he only gave the names of some people he thought were socks because they were pro-Turkish
18:50 < ChrisGualtieri> Where should I direct it to? AIV?
18:50 < JohnChrysostom> LOL.... I've been around for a long time, so, not me, but sounds like me IRL
18:50 < JohnChrysostom> As I said, I stay away from the morpheme "urk" on Wikipedia as a near occasion to sin
18:51 < JohnChrysostom> "sin" meaning, in context, "be indeffed"
18:51 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri i can't be arsed to understand the diff. what is the difference?
18:51 < Swob> I guess what I mean is, he never said he was blocked, but it seems a likely explanation for why he wouldnt do anything about the supposed sockpuppetry
18:51 < ChrisGualtieri> mareklug: look further down
18:51 < Carly-> I go
18:51 < Carly-> Good nightp
18:52 < ChrisGualtieri> The guy keeps adding, "During 4th of July festivities the are many fun activities in and around Bridgeport, mud volleyball being one of the most popular events. I will warn you, if you go to Bridgeport prior to the 4th of July and drive in the mud puddle they use for mud volleyball law enforcement will be called! You will also be berated on Facebook and people will comment on what a horrible person you are. They may even suggest yo
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18:52 < JohnChrysostom> (Probably bannable ethnic joke in very poor taste): You'd think the Greeks should be the ones accused of being socks, after the Turks killed all of the non-SP ones...
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18:52 < JohnChrysostom> ChrisGualtieri: wtf?
18:52 < JohnChrysostom> To a Wikipedia article? Repeatedly?
18:52 < ChrisGualtieri> Yeah
18:52 < JohnChrysostom> He must be pretty damned serious about his upcoming volleyball game
18:53 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri first, yell at him on his talk page, then welcome him
18:53 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bridgeport,_California&action=history
18:53 < ChrisGualtieri> I did that mareklug
18:53 < JohnChrysostom> Mareklug: it never fails
18:53 < JohnChrysostom> Except when they keep trolling, which is almost always if they're an IP
18:54 < JohnChrysostom> I've filled up AIV or ANV or whatever it's called faster than I could cut and paste when I've tried to reason with IP vandals
18:54 < Revent> "People will act as if you murdered a bald eagle." *rolls*
18:54 < JohnChrysostom> If you break up the volleyball game?
18:54 < ChrisGualtieri> No. 'drive in the mud for the volleyball game' XD
18:55 < Swob> chrisG i cant believe you have 150000 edits
18:55 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm at 150k already?\
18:55 < Bsadowski1> Psy was on Dancing with the Stars
18:55 < Bsadowski1> xD
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18:56 < JohnChrysostom> 150k?
18:56 < JohnChrysostom> How do you do that? Huggle?
18:56 < ChrisGualtieri> I don't use Huggle and i rarely use Stiki
18:57 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri left him a welcome and instructions
18:57 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri meanwhile, give him a few hours
18:58 < JohnChrysostom> Or three further vandalisms, whichever comes first
18:59 < ChrisGualtieri> mareklug: but I have reverted it twice and he's inserted it again.
18:59 < ChrisGualtieri> I've already warned and given it many hours.
18:59 < mareklug> you did not even explain explicitly what was wrong with it.
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19:00 < mareklug> communicatibg by templater is a bit meh.
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19:01 < ChrisGualtieri> I'll do a personal one.
19:02 < JohnChrysostom> I'm more of the Gualtieri school on warning vandals
19:02 < JohnChrysostom> three templates, AIV
19:03 < Swob> Sissy.
19:04 < mareklug> so yer another Cheese Templater?
19:04 < Shirik> a what?
19:05 < mareklug> Cheese Lancelot
19:05 < mareklug> Cheeses of the Round table
19:05 < mareklug> see your scrollback
19:05  * Swob totally over my head
19:05 < mareklug> Shirik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights%20Templar
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19:10 < JohnChrysostom> I'm a Dominican, not a Cheese of the Temple
19:11 < JohnChrysostom> "Shewbreads Templar"
19:11 < mareklug> as a Dominican, you have license to be portly and to partake of all the port you want.  although you don't want.
19:12 < mareklug> "The red cross that the Templars wore on their robes was a symbol of martyrdom, and to die in combat was considered a great honor that assured a place in heaven.[69]"
19:12 < mareklug> where do we know this tune from....
19:12 < mareklug> the more things change, the more the song remains the same
19:13 < mareklug> said the Cheese of Zeppelin
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19:13 < JohnChrysostom> Big Cheese of the Crusade, would be an honour
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19:14 < mareklug> New members had to willingly sign over all of their wealth and goods to the Order and take vows of poverty, chastity, piety, and obedience.[73
19:15 < mareklug> sounds like Scientology
19:15 < mareklug> maybe we should make it the user policy, as well, on wikipedia.
19:16 < Swob> we pretty much already do
19:16 < IDoH> LOL, swob
19:16 < Swob> we're all poor, single, and pretty much hopeless as leaders
19:16 < mareklug> oh, it is the commons that celebrates the penisity
19:16 < JohnChrysostom> I didn't take a vow of piety... I don't think they have those any more
19:17 < mareklug> that's NIghts Templar, not Dominickanses.
19:17 < mareklug> we have a supermarket here that is the flagship of Safeway multistate chain.  It is called …ta da… Dominick's
19:18 < mareklug> Nights in White Seting Templar
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19:18 < JohnChrysostom> St Peter had two men come to heaven, a Dominican and a Crusader: He asked the Crusader, "What was your order founded for? What was your purpose?": He replied, "To defeat the paynim foe, the Mohammedan". "I have to send Mohammedans away daily." He asked the Dominican, "What was your order founded for?": The Dominican replied, "To preach against the heretical
19:18 < JohnChrysostom> Albigensians, and convert them to Christianity". "I haven't seen an Albigensian come through here in 700 years."
19:18 < mareklug> t
19:19 < JohnChrysostom> Always on the winning side
19:19 < JohnChrysostom> emote "always on the winning side"
19:20  * IDoH is always on the winning side.
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19:21 < mareklug> you're on the losing side of the Mississippii River, so I would not be so sure, IDoH
19:22 < JohnChrysostom> Is IDoH always on my side? Only if so, can he ever be on the winning side...
19:22 < Swob> *she
19:22 < mareklug> she
19:22 < IDoH> Whaddaya mean, I'm on the losing side, mareklug?
19:22 < IDoH> JohnChrysostom, I am a young woman. ;-)
19:22 < Swob> the losing side includes everything west of the mississippi I guess
19:22 < mareklug> well, which side of the MIssissippii are you on, hon?
19:22 < IDoH> The west, mareklug.
19:22 < mareklug> qed
19:23 < JohnChrysostom> The east.
19:23 < JohnChrysostom> qed
19:23 < IDoH> qed? What's that mean?
19:23 < mareklug> quod erat demonstrandum
19:24 < IDoH> Definations?
19:24 < JohnChrysostom> "What was to be demonstrated [has been]"
19:24 < JohnChrysostom> "The preceding is an indisputable proof"
19:24 < IDoH> http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/quod%20erat%20demonstrandum
19:25 < mareklug> IDoH to be fair, it is not suppowed to be run together as a lowercase word. Q.E.D.
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> LOL
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> look at the link IDoH gave
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> fucking hilarious
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> and sasd
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> sad
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> possibly the third-most-common latin term "DEFINITION NOT GIVEN"
19:25 < mareklug> the penile mirth and foilbles of corpus lookup in translations
19:25 < JohnChrysostom> after "i.e." and "e.g."
19:26 < dtm_> guys, is it true that we need to drop the capitalization of "The" on a proper noun such as "The Doors", when it's used mid-sentence?
19:27 < Swob> depends
19:27 < Swob> there was a big RfC on the Beatles a few years back
19:27 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom it is completely compromised.  it does it consistently for all langauges
19:28 < mareklug> dtm_ this is a case by case and purely idiosyncratic thing.
19:28 < Swob> yeah, I think marek's idea is right
19:28 < JohnChrysostom> is it an easteregg of some sort?
19:28 < Swob> even though there was an RfC on the Beatles, we cant use that as the basis for the Doors or any other band
19:28 < JohnChrysostom> dtm_ no
19:28 < dtm_> mareklug: weird.  well.  it's a proper noun, so it seems like it's absolute.
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19:29 < JohnChrysostom> the band isn't "Doors", it is "The Doors"
19:29 < mareklug> dtm look at some original album covers for basic seat of the pants guidance
19:29 < Swob> http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/quod%20erat%20demonstrandum%20t
19:29 < dtm_> the keyboardist of The Doors, who just passed away, is receiving a lot of attention so i'm still combing through today's edit list
19:29 < dtm_> mareklug: now that, i have done, because the capitalization in album titles are not known.
19:29 < dtm_> but The Doors is perfectly well known, as JohnChrysostom so succinctly stated ;)
19:29 < JohnChrysostom> Now, on most Beatles albums, they are billed as "Beatles", leaving the reader to supply an article if required
19:29 < dtm_> JohnChrysostom: yeah.
19:30 < dtm_> and the issue of album and song titles drives me batty
19:30 < dtm_> i mean the fact that there is an issue, does.
19:30 < mareklug> dtm_ I recommend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat%20for%20Lashes
19:30 < JohnChrysostom> If it's anarthrous, don't capitalize the article.
19:30 < JohnChrysostom> Simple enough rule
19:30 < dtm_> the fact that even freshly published mainstream multi-million-dollar albums do NOT have an exact title, is insufferable.
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19:31 < dtm_> they can stylize it however they want.  {{See also|iD}}
19:31 < JohnChrysostom> They don't?
19:31 < dtm_> JohnChrysostom: not to my knowledge!  not even for books!
19:31 < dtm_> afaik
19:31 < JohnChrysostom> I thought albums all had a name, and, failing that, were called by incipit
19:31 < dtm_> worldcat munges all titles
19:31 < dtm_> JohnChrysostom: i'm talkin about capitalization though
19:31 < mareklug> dtm afaik The Library of Congress is an authoritative source.
19:31 < dtm_> that should be exact.
19:31 < JohnChrysostom> Star Trek: Into Darkness
19:32 < dtm_> JohnChrysostom: yeah that's infamous too
19:32 < JohnChrysostom> you mean "the" Library of Congress...
19:32 < Swob> xkcd is responsible for about 80% of the Star Trek fiasco
19:32 < mareklug> how autoironic
19:32 < dtm_> but.  worldcat munges it so that the first word is capitalated, and the rest are lowered-capitational
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19:32 < dtm_> Swob: wat..  lol.
19:32 < dtm_> cool.
19:32 < JohnChrysostom> When Trekkie nerds who read xkcd read about the debate and had to chime in?
19:33 < Swob> yeah
19:33 < Swob> before xkcd it was just an average low-intensity talk page dispute
19:33 < dtm_> mareklug: so are they correct?  and are they unequivocally recognized as per WP MoS?
19:33 < dtm_> mareklug: (Lib of Congress)
19:33 < JohnChrysostom> I've only seen the cam, which is missing the first 10 minutes, so I don't know what the inicipit would be
19:33 < dtm_> lol
19:34 < Swob> http://translate.google.com/#la/en/popl
19:34 < Swob> apparently 'popl' is Latin for 'HOUGH'
19:34 < mareklug> LOC has a legal obligation to exercise so-called publishing deposit right and enforce it.  Then they are to scribe the titles correctly.  So we can use their record as the de jure representation of titles.
19:34 < JohnChrysostom> what the fuck does "hough" mean?
19:34 < JohnChrysostom> I'm gonna "hough" the field or I'm going to "hough and puff" the house down?
19:35 < Swob> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hough
19:35 < mareklug> houwgh was an Indian as in merkin injun greeting
19:36 < JohnChrysostom> so, "popl" is a Latin greeting?
19:36 < JohnChrysostom> That's new to me
19:36 < JohnChrysostom> And I'm a Latinist!
19:36 < mareklug> see, I was close:  http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howgh
19:37 < mareklug> those czechz.  they are a riotz.
19:38 < JohnChrysostom> in teh beginningz, ceiling cat
19:39 < mareklug> I have a fizikal need to relink this http://www.dailytech.com/German+Researchers+Test+40+Gbps+WiFi+Successor+to+80211ac/article31597.htm
19:39 < Swob> i love stereotypes of Native Americans
19:39 < Swob> it's a totally bottomless pit of jokes and 400-year-old myths
19:39 < mareklug> especiallyw when conceived of by 19th century German writers.
19:40 < JohnChrysostom> did they come up with the whole "noble savage" thing?
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19:41 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage
19:41 < Swob> 280 GHz radiation
19:41 < Swob> isnt that a bit dangerous?!
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19:42 < Swob> what are X-rays?
19:42 < JohnChrysostom> I still have 54g...
19:42 < Swob> oh OK x-rays are way above even that
19:42 < Swob> but still
19:42 < IDoH> That's why they have those lead aprons, Swob.
19:42 < JohnChrysostom> thousands of thousands of THz I think
19:42 < Swob> in teh future everyione will wear lead aprons to protect themselves from wi-fi!!
19:42 < mareklug> X-rays have a wavelength in the range of 0.01 to 10 nanometers, corresponding to frequencies in the range 30 petahertz to 30 exahertz (3×1016 Hz to 3×1019 Hz)
19:42 < Swob> a glorious future awaits us
19:43 < IDoH> Electrosensitivity, swob?
19:43 < mareklug> Swob in the future everybody will be sterile and we will reproduce via Bank of America account
19:43 < Swob> ugh
19:43 < Swob> thats the worst bank in the US
19:43 < JohnChrysostom> Only Chase will still be around, anywhere in the world, and some Chinese bank
19:44 < mareklug> it sure is.  I hate mine.  they don't even have a John they would let you use it even if you needed one in the worst way.  BAC is the SCUM OF THE EARTH LLC.
19:44 < JohnChrysostom> Yeah their credit cards suck (BofA)... as a monk, credit is needed to finance anything, vows of poverty and all
19:44 < Swob> Ok that 280-GHz wifi is still edging pretty close to the range where it becomes disruptive
19:45 < Swob> actually wait
19:45 < mareklug> Swob microwaves are disruptive
19:45 < Swob> why arent we all dead anyway from regular wifi?
19:45 < Swob> is it just that wifi is so low intensity that it doesnt cause any problems?
19:45 < mareklug> there was this long debate about powerlines, and in the end it turned out that nothing grows underneath them on account of...
19:45 < mareklug> …the power company hiring a mower.
19:45 < Swob> since that range of radiation used by wifi has been proven fatal
19:46 < JohnChrysostom> all "waves" are disruptive in some wave
19:46 < JohnChrysostom> way*
19:46 < JohnChrysostom> from EM all the way down to all the way up the spectrum
19:46 < JohnChrysostom> visible EM*
19:46 < Swob> if you were locked in a room with 500000 Netgear routers would you get killed by them?
19:46 < mareklug> I think so.
19:47 < mareklug> you would die from not having anything to eat
19:47 < JohnChrysostom> if you could micronize them so they were each a few nanometers across, probably
19:47 < JohnChrysostom> you can't eat PCB?
19:47 < mareklug> he said netgear
19:47 < Swob> I didnt say that there were no other things in the room
19:47 < JohnChrysostom> how do all of the warcraft players get so large, then?
19:47 < mareklug> think man
19:47 < mareklug> have you never seen a netgear router/switch?
19:47 < mareklug> it's all metal.
19:47 < mareklug> blue painted metal
19:47 < JohnChrysostom> Netgear is blue and black, right?
19:47  * kylu notes, the folks working in the Netgear warehouse don't seem to have too high rate of job fatalities.
19:47 < mareklug> no, blue.
19:47 < JohnChrysostom> the blue is plastic on lots of the domestic models I've seen
19:48 < mareklug> no, it is positively metal.
19:48 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0048U3FMS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
19:48 < mareklug> buying this one
19:48 < JohnChrysostom> I'm probably confusing it with some other brand
19:48 < JohnChrysostom> which is black metal with a bright blue plastic front
19:48 < JohnChrysostom> on almost all models (at least circa 2007)
19:49 < Revent> (sighs)
19:49 < Swob> anyway i wonder how much energy it would take to make normal wifi radiation dangerous
19:50 < Revent> Same dose as regular old radio...
19:50 < Revent> A lot.
19:50 < kylu> how much water does it take for you to swim?
19:50 < kylu> there's no exact amount, just "enough"
19:50 < JohnChrysostom> none, it takes a lot of liquor though
19:50 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Netgear_ProSafe_8_Port_Gigabit_Switch_GS108_front.jpeg   like the one soon too be mine, except mine is green.
19:50 < mareklug> green as in environmentally correct
19:51 < JohnChrysostom> lol
19:51 < JohnChrysostom> switches take hardly any power...
19:51 < mareklug> well, when tehy are green, it's almost as if Commonwealth Edison was pissing in your pocket.
19:51 < JohnChrysostom> a trillion green switches saves one manateee
19:52 < JohnChrysostom> the only picture I ever uploaded to Wikipedia was of a credit card
19:52 < JohnChrysostom> one with the numbers on the back, that is
19:52 < mareklug> the green ones go into the catatonic standby mode in which case they hardly eat any electricity.
19:52 < mareklug> they do gather the same amount of dust, however.
19:52 < mareklug> that remains an unsolved problem.
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19:52 < JohnChrysostom> Even when they're on, they don't use hardly any
19:53 < kylu> mareklug: a lot of people still have the older netgear routers (like mine's a WRT54G series) that has a blue plastic front.
19:53 < JohnChrysostom> Make processors 50% more efficient and it would probably be like getting rid of cars
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19:53 < JohnChrysostom> that's my router too..
19:53 < JohnChrysostom> I was right, just years out of date
19:53 < mareklug> kylu that must be the consumer gear.  the business stuff was always in blue metal boxes.
19:53 < Revent> They probably sold a few million 54Gs
19:54 < JohnChrysostom> I got it because it has the open source OS-lite you can install on it
19:54 < mareklug> i still have my trusty old Fast Ethernet Switch for 4 ports that looks exactly like the new one I am getting, only short bus-like.
19:54 < JohnChrysostom> although it's been so long since I looked at it, let alone updated it, I can't remember what it's called
19:54 < kylu> John: tomato?
19:54 < JohnChrysostom> I suppose that's the ultimate approval for a router or router software: I never have to look at it
19:55 < JohnChrysostom> D-links and 2-Wires are the worst in that sense
19:55 < Revent> Ye...if you can build it into a drop ceiling, it's pretty decent. :)
19:56 < JohnChrysostom> I might have been thinking of Linksys too.. I found a picture of a Linksys router that has the same Blue/Black thing
19:56 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom you probably meant this one http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index
19:57 < JohnChrysostom> if I hit "192.168.0.1" I could find out relatively quickly
19:57 < mareklug> I reflashed my Linsys WRT with it.  but now that I am a confirmed APPLgist, it gathers dust for a rainy day.
19:57 < JohnChrysostom> it's dd-wrt
19:57 < Swob> applologist
19:57 < Swob> appLOLogist
19:57 < mareklug> LOLogist
19:58 < JohnChrysostom> Monks don't have the same ascesis they used to... we have routers now
19:58 < mareklug> well, you should strive for maximum chastity in them routers.  erm.
19:58 < mareklug> what is the ISI standard unit for chastitty?
19:58 < mareklug> hURI
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20:00 < kylu> Monks used to be chaste too, John, but now all they seem to think about is sects, sects, sects...
20:00  * kylu hides.
20:00 < JohnChrysostom> LOL
20:00 < mareklug> not to put a too fine point on it, they guzzle expensive imported Belgian beers
20:00 < JohnChrysostom> Which are made by other monks, so it's not spending money
20:01 < JohnChrysostom> it's just trading
20:01 < IDoH> LOL
20:01 < mareklug> what do you have to trade to the Belgian monks?
20:01 < mareklug> ah forgot about the Belgian cuisine
20:01 < JohnChrysostom> academic journals? priests? I'm sure the fathers come up with something
20:01 < mareklug> so yoou can send them Velveta cheese
20:02 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom Belgian cooking is a running joke on this channel, ever since we uncovered the contents of the wiki article about it.  and ToAruShiroiNeko.
20:02 < mareklug> ever since we uncovered ToAruShiroiNeko.
20:02 < JohnChrysostom> I remember him... what?
20:02 < JohnChrysostom> he's belgian?
20:02 < mareklug> he is Belgian by eating.
20:03 < JohnChrysostom> you are what you
20:03 < mareklug> exactly
20:04 < JohnChrysostom> "rabbit in gueuze"
20:05 < JohnChrysostom> Belgian food sounds like devolved French
20:05 < Revent> an average or 84 liters of beer a year....wow
20:05 < Revent> *of
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20:12 < mareklug> Revent and you know it is not the 3.2% kind
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20:13 < JohnChrysostom> that's a tiny amount
20:13 < Son_Gohan> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130521/15164823159/bad-day-prenda-continues-judge-rejects-stay-adds-1k-per-day-each-day-they-dont-pay-up.shtml
20:13 < JohnChrysostom> "down from 200l in 1900"
20:13 < mareklug> JohnChrysostom I especially like all these subtle anti-American references in their dish names.  The nastier, the more vomitous a combination, the more likeley it is to be called American
20:13 < JohnChrysostom> LOL
20:14 < JohnChrysostom> "sauce americaisne"
20:14 < Koi> oh fuck
20:14 < Koi> look at ANI
20:14 < Koi> this should be fun
20:14 < Koi> wikipediocracy round over 9000
20:14 < Swob> i dont see anything new
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20:15 < mareklug> Koi u r the last ppl woo shood b lookin at ani
20:15 < Swob> whoa thunderstorm??
20:15 < Swob> thats not supposed to happen
20:15 < Koi> mareklug: stfu
20:15 < mareklug> Swob ours lst night made yhe news
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20:15 < Koi> Swob: look at the bottom
20:15 < Swob> who ever heard of a thunderstorm at 40F
20:15 < Koi> Swob: it's WIKIPEDIOCRACY rd. OVER 9000~
20:16 < Swob> what, the captain Occam thing? that's nothing
20:16 < mareklug> Koi is that your local airport?
20:16 < Koi> it involves Wikipediocracy.
20:16 < Koi> it's funny.
20:16 < Swob> why, do they like him over there?
20:16 < mareklug> short for come and get me?
20:16 < Swob> oh ywah
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20:17  * kylu hms at weather.gov ... more storms, tornadoes, etc.
20:18 < Koi> kylu: no tornadoes :)
20:18 < Koi> straight line winds, but the south is used to those.
20:18  * kylu gets 'em.
20:18 < kylu> yay midwest.
20:19 < Swob> yeah i guess compared to Oklahoma I cant exactly  complain
20:19 < Swob> still I'd rather live somewhere milder, like Alaska
20:19 < Jasper_Deng> Alaska is /milder/ ?
20:20 < Swob> heard of any hurricanes in Alaska?
20:20 < Swob> or tornadoes or even thunderstorms
20:20 < bazinga> ^
20:20 < bazinga> only rabid moose
20:20 < Swob> I mean sure it gets kinda cold there but I can deal with that
20:20 < Koi> they get tornadoes in alaska
20:21 < mareklug> Aug 2, 2005 – Residents of Sand Point, Alaska, witnessed a tornado last week. Town elders say it's a first-time occurrence for their remote northern location.
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20:22 < mareklug> Koi, there is probable, andt then there is unlikely
20:22 < Koi> mareklug: uh, that's one town
20:23  * kylu sees them every year.
20:24 < kylu> haven't seen any closer than about a mile away, but they're still quite visible when it's this flat.
20:24 < mareklug> Koi tornado requires specific conditons to arise.  the jet stream can do oopsies now and then, but basically the OKC people have it coming to them every season in many repeat servings.  Alaska?  Not so much.
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20:24 < Koi> mareklug: my laoooo
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20:25 < Swob> the worst town right now is Moore, Oklahoma
20:25 < Swob> they've had two of the ten worst tornadoes in recorded history directly hit them
20:25 < Swob> if tornadoes werent deadly itd be hilarious
20:26 < mareklug> after the 3rd one, maybe they will relocate
20:27 < kylu> and go where? there's not really anyplace on Earth that's "safe"
20:28 < harej> the mid-atlantic is pretty safe. we're spared from most storms
20:28 < harej> hurricanes are relatively rare, we don't have earthquakes or tornadoes...
20:28 < mareklug> kylu i would suggest making a statistical map and choose a county slightly less blessed.
20:28 < Susan> kylu!
20:29  * kylu !
20:29 < Susan> kylu: Good to see you. :-)
20:29 < Swob> there are some places that have no real life-threatening weather events
20:29 < kylu> hiya. :)
20:29 < Swob> most of Europe is pretty safe
20:29 < mareklug> harej only has georetown basketball, which always collapses in the NCAAs.
20:29 < mareklug> g
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20:32 < Swob> ok the storm is mostly over now
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20:37 < jorgeluis> Good evening, wikipedians.
20:37 < IDoH> Good evening. :-)
20:37 < mareklug> jorgeluis evening, good.  beer?  not so much.
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20:42 < Koi> Jasper_Deng: I need to talk to you.
20:42  * Jasper_Deng has to setup a VPS atm
20:42 < Koi> grr
20:43 < Koi> pmed
20:45 < ihaveamac> Template:Keep_local was nominated for deletion
20:45 < ihaveamac> the template that says an image from commons must exist locally
20:46 < ihaveamac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_May_18#Template:Keep_local
20:46  * Jasper_Deng got no PM from Koi
20:46 < jorgeluis> yes
20:46 < Koi> Jasper_Deng: am i on ignore >:(
20:46 < Jasper_Deng> no
20:46 < Jasper_Deng> otherwise I wouldn't see you at all, Koi
20:46 < Koi> u sure you aren't on server side +g?
20:46 < jorgeluis> likely.
20:47 < Jasper_Deng> I'm not
20:47  * Koi tries again
20:47 < Jasper_Deng> my mode is +RZi
20:47 < Koi> sent again
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20:48 < Koi> Jasper_Deng: did you get it now
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20:54 < Koi> quick
20:54 < Koi> what's the page on when sources say different things
20:55 < jorgeluis> what
20:55 < Koi> what's the policy on when two reliable sources say different things?
20:55 < jorgeluis> report what both say?
20:56 < jorgeluis> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Npov
20:56 < Revent> "When reliable sources disagree, present what the various sources say, give each side its due weight, and maintain a neutral point of view."
20:56 < Revent> It's in verifiability
20:56 < BlastHardcheese> edit war with everyone who tries to change the article
20:56 < SigmaWP> Koi: X says that blah. Y's research showed otherwise, stating that blah.
20:56 < SigmaWP> Something generic like that
20:56 < Koi> BlastHardcheese++
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20:56 < jorgeluis> i like BHC's idea.
20:56 < jorgeluis> hi hare j.
20:57 < Revent> Z said they're both drooling idiots, and so on... :)
20:57 < Koi> Now, Government versus news media.
20:57 < Koi> Is government automatically more reliable?
20:57 < jorgeluis> no
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20:57 < Koi> imo, they are not, especially when ALL of the news media says something completely different.
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20:57 < Koi> 10:57:13 PM <Koi> Now, Government versus news media.
20:57 < Koi> 10:57:18 PM <Koi> Is government automatically more reliable?
20:57 < Koi> 10:57:29 PM <jorgeluis> no
20:57 < Koi> TAP|away: Cyclonebiskit ^^^^
20:57 < SigmaWP> Koi: Only if it's run by the Glorious leader
20:58 < {soap|bed}> all the weather people are here today
20:58 < SigmaWP> juliancolton: hello
20:58 < TAWX14> Don't make the question so vague.
20:58 < YE> I've been in here all day
20:58 < Revent> TBH, govt is probably less reliable.
20:58 < Koi> So, now, if all of the degreed, certified meteorologists on TWC, KFOR, and etc. are saying something is one thing, and the NWS (govt) is saying "preliminary something else", we should go with the majority of the equally reliable sources rihgt?
20:58 < mareklug> Koi I would trust NASA or the Congressional Budget Office over Bill O'FuckenReilly
20:58 < YE> I am in here every day
20:58 < YE> just never talk
20:58 < TAWX14> National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA - government ) or news
20:58 < TAWX14> which is more reliable?
20:58 < mareklug> NOAA
20:58 < TAWX14> exactly.
20:58 < Koi> TAWX14: They already said, they are equally reliable.
20:59 < YE> NOAA in most cases
20:59 < Koi> YE: You can't input, this is FOR you not for you to input.
20:59 < TAWX14> Your whole argument was that you shouldn't go with what's official, you should go with what the majority is saying.
20:59 < YE> ???
20:59 < Koi> NOAA is just someone who hires people who are equally certified as TWC meteorologists.
20:59 < Cyclonebiskit> The NWS maintains the ratings of tornadoes, they have job positions specifically for the documentation and classification of them
20:59 < Revent> Given the data all comes from the same place....it's just a matter of NWS checking boxes before they say anything.
20:59 < Koi> so, why should we not take the majority of the two?
20:59 < Koi> Okay can we all just give me a moment to frame this completely?
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21:01 < Koi> TWC, KFOR, otehr news (CNN etc) have said that a tornado is a EF# tornado from their degrees, experience, and survey. The NWS, who has equally certified employees, not MORE certified, thus not MORE reliable, has given a PRELIMINARY rating of EF(different#). Thus, we take the MAJORITY of the EQUALLY reliable sources, and then say "The NWS has not finished
21:01 < Koi> it's survey, but preliminarily says this is at least EF#"
21:01 < YE> "	NOAA is just someone who hires people who are equally certified as TWC meteorologists." big no
21:01 < YE> they are not equally certified employes by any means
21:01 < Koi> YE: Big yes, actually, some TWC meteorologists have more experience in the field than do NWS meteorologists. You are just going all high and mighty because they're gov't.
21:01 < YE> Koi: N
21:02 < YE> *No
21:02 < Koi> YE: Oh really? Tell me how two people with degrees from the same school who view the same radar, look at the same weather for the same time aren't equal?
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21:02 < {soap|bed}> The Weather Channel is a news organization, theyre not on par with NOAA
21:02 < Koi> is it because one has the NWS name behind him? That's bullshit.
21:02 < YE> one had a bachers, another has a master
21:02 < Koi> {soap|bed}: a news organization *that employs meteorologists with the same (or more) degrees and the same (or more) experience than NWS employees*
21:03 < Koi> YE: you're pulling shit out of your butt right now, there are MANY TWC meteorologists with DOCTORATE degrees.
21:03 < Koi> two of which classified this as an EF5.
21:03 < YE> It was a general statement
21:03 < {soap|bed}> yeah but they have a tendency to sensationalize everything to make it more interesting for the general public
21:03 < YE> NOAA is officially in charge of weather in the US
21:03 < Koi> YE: And as a GENERAL statement, you should say that the TWC meteorologist with a doctorate degree is more reliable than someone with just a masters.
21:03 < Koi> YE: The US, not Wikipedia.
21:03 < Koi> YE: There are MANY times we don't follow officials.
21:04 < Cyclonebiskit> Sure they may have similar reliability, but it's that the meteorologists at the NWS are specifically trained to analyze tornado damage and apply appropriate ratings. They spend hours detailing what took place and applying that to the damage scales created by the meteorological community whereas TWC and other news agencies briefly look at what took place and throw a quick guess as to what the...
21:04 < BlastHardcheese> CNN reporting the tornado had winds fifteen times the speed of light
21:04 < Cyclonebiskit> ...rating may be
21:04 < Koi> Case in point, french secret service trying to modify Wikipedia with their info.
21:04 < Koi> BlastHardcheese: stop trolling
21:04 < BlastHardcheese> said the pot to the kettle
21:04 < YE> what CB said
21:04 < Revent> I think that the people who actually 'compile' all the official data would be the best source, since the rating of a tornado isn't really a matter of opinion.
21:04 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: But the thing is, TWC meteorologists actually go to the scene too. People are trained in meteorology school to do that, not just at the NWS.
21:04 < Cyclonebiskit> Their job is not to look at the damage and assess it
21:04 < Koi> I guarantee you the decision to call this an EF5 was not made lightly by people.
21:04 < Cyclonebiskit> it's to report from the scene
21:04 < YE> Listen to CB
21:05 < YE> He is sorta entering the field
21:05 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: So you're telling me that because my dad is an Agriculture Statistician and I'm not, but if I do research on Ag Stats for a long time, I'm not reliable?
21:05 < Cyclonebiskit> KFOR's decision was made live, and they've been known to over-hype tornadoes (one of the media outlets used in your argument)
21:05 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Live /vs/ not live makes no difference.
21:05 < Cyclonebiskit> it does
21:06 < YE> of course it does
21:06 < Koi> It's EQUALLY reliable sources making equally reliable claims
21:06 < Koi> or by YE's degree analogy, sometimes MORE reliable sources.
21:06 < Cyclonebiskit> when the information is taken after detailed analysis it's far more credible than that of an off-hand guess based on a few pictures
21:06 < YE> I think more ppl in NOAA have PHD's than TWC
21:06 < {soap|bed}> why is this even up for debate anyway>
21:06 < Revent> It's 'off the cuff' statements vs the actual data, that takes more time.
21:06 < Koi> YE: Not true actually.
21:06 < {soap|bed}> didnt all of the news sources go with EF5 in the end?
21:06 < Cyclonebiskit> {soap|bed}} because Koi is being obnoxious
21:06 < Koi> YE: Very few NOAA people (except for high ups who don't actually forcast shit) have doctorates.
21:07 < Revent> Yeah, it's drama about being 'fast' about the article.
21:07 < {soap|bed}> ok
21:07 < YE> Koi: No
21:07 < Koi> {soap|bed}: They're saying that a MORE qualified (in terms of degree) and MORE experienced MANY PEOPLE should be trusted less than someone LESS qualified and LESS experienced because they're not "government approved"
21:07 < Cyclonebiskit> wait
21:07 < Revent> Koi Not really...
21:07 < TAWX14> it's the NWS's job to rate tornadoes, not the medias.
21:08 < Koi> YE: Yes, actually. Some of the office leads do, but aside from them, the forecast and suvey meteorologists don't have doctorates most times. Most times they're just masters.
21:08 < Koi> TAWX14: Says you.
21:08 < BlastHardcheese> we should make it illegal to contradict the government, problem solved
21:08 < Koi> BlastHardcheese: Stfu.
21:08 < Cyclonebiskit> how the hell are news anchors more qualified than trained meteorologists?
21:08 < Revent> The media (even TWC) ovly covers the event as it's happenning, is the difference.
21:08 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Better degrees, longer experience, more training.
21:08 < Cyclonebiskit> bullshit
21:08 < Cyclonebiskit> total and utter bullshit
21:08 < YE> They don't have any of those three
21:08 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: True actually, the survey team didn't have anyone with more than a masters on it.
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21:08 < Cyclonebiskit> I'm in college studying meteorology right now
21:08 < {soap|bed}> Cyclonebiskit: cool
21:09 < {soap|bed}> good luck
21:09 < Firefly67> Hi can someone tell me if I am cloaked
21:09 < Revent> NWS has the /job/ of compiling all the reports...that's why their ratings are 'official'
21:09 < {soap|bed}> its not an easy degree
21:09 < Cyclonebiskit> there's a major difference between the media and science side
21:09 < YE> I think we have a consensus here
21:09 < jorgeluis> Firefly67: you are indeed
21:09 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: So you're telling me that someone with 30+ years of experience, a doctorate degree, and has been doing this for over 30 years is LESS experienced than someone with 5 years experience, a masters, and only a few times of surveying it in their CWA?
21:09 < Firefly67> What do I show up as?
21:09 < YE> this is getting to WP:LAME
21:09 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: They're the SAME DEGREES
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21:09 < Cyclonebiskit> they're not the same degrees
21:10 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: YES THEY ARE.
21:10 < Koi> There is no "media meteorology" degree.
21:10 < Cyclonebiskit> no, there are focuses with the degree that differ
21:10 < Firefly67> Oh ouch that's not how I wanted it to appear, but thanks jorgeluis
21:10 < Koi> It is a "Masters of Meteorological Science"
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21:10 < Koi> or a "Doctorate of Meteorological Science"
21:10 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Focuses are just that, focuses. The DEGREE and QUALIFICATION they get is the same.
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21:10 < {soap|bed}> wb firefly
21:10 < Firefly67> Now what do I appear as?
21:10 < Koi> That's like saying "I got a Masters of Biology but I focused in zooology so I'm not qualified to be a biologist, even though I have a biology degree"
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21:11 < Firefly67> thanks soap|bed
21:11 < YE> they training are nowhere near the same
21:11 < YE> *their
21:11 < jorgeluis> /clear
21:11 < Firefly67> ok, thanks, that is what i want to be
21:11 < Koi> YE: You're right. TWC employs some that have over 30 years of experience.
21:11 < Firefly67> Can I know what I appear as without asking someone?
21:11 < Koi> Firefly67: type /whois yournick
21:11 < {soap|bed}> yah
21:11 < {soap|bed}> what koi said
21:12 < Firefly67> Thanks Koi. It says I am safely in Rennes, France
21:12 < Koi> Basically, from a source standpoint, when EVERY meteorologist non-NWS is saying something different, they're a HELL OF A LOT more reliable than the NWS.
21:12 < TAWX14> no.
21:12 < Koi> Firefly67: that's ust the server you are connecting from
21:12 < Koi> TAWX14: yes actally.
21:12 < TAWX14> actually n
21:12 < jorgeluis> that's just what network you're connecting to on freenode's end
21:12 < TAWX14> o
21:12 < Koi> Because I've already told you how there are tons of non-NWS meeorologists MORE qualified than NWS onws.
21:12 < Koi> strictly from education and experience.
21:12 < Firefly67> yes, so anonymous, right?
21:12 < Cyclonebiskit> can you provide proof?
21:12 < {soap|bed}> this discussion is hilarious
21:12 < YE> What soap said
21:12 < Firefly67> What is the discussion about?
21:13 < TAWX14> I give up with you. I'm going to bed.
21:13 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: That a doctorate is higher than a masters? If you can't know that you need to drop out of school.
21:13 < Cyclonebiskit> ....
21:13 < Koi> let's ask Guerillero
21:13 < Cyclonebiskit> no dumbass, proof of their degrees
21:13 < Koi> Doctorate > masters
21:13 < jorgeluis> be image makers not image breakers
21:13 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Look at the NWS staff bios
21:13 < Revent> Firefly67: It's a bit pedantic at this point.
21:13 < Koi> and the TWC staff bios.
21:13 < Guerillero> why me?
21:13 < Koi> Guerillero: you're experienced.
21:13 < jorgeluis> in the ways of the secular flesh.
21:13 < TAWX14> Firefly67, whether a tornado rating from non-government/official meteorologists should be added to the article if there's more consensus among those as opposed to the government rating (ex. NOAA)
21:13 < YE> NOAA is offical
21:14 < Koi> Guerillero: should someone with a doctorate degree, 30+ years of experience doing MORE surveys than someone with a masters, 5 years of experience doing only a few. Which trusts more
21:14 < TAWX14> For example, yesterday the NWS said preliminary EF4 while most meteorologists were saying EF5
21:14 < Firefly67> Maybe an "Also See" section?
21:14 < TAWX14> Koi believes the article should state EF5 because there's more consensus among the [non-official] meteorologists
21:14 < Koi> Guerillero: they claim that because the GOVERNMENT says it's OFFICIAL, it must be king and all high and mighty and cant be wrong amg
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21:14 < Revent> Koi You're being melodramatic.
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21:14 < BlastHardcheese> the government is covering up that the tornadoes were created by HAARP, wake up sheeple
21:14 < Koi> No, I'm really not.
21:15 < Koi> BlastHardcheese: stop the fucking trolling.
21:15 < BlastHardcheese> Koi: Fuck you
21:15 < Cyclonebiskit> at the moment it's a retarded argument because it's now rated EF5 by the NWS....but it's the reasoning behind Koi's argument that's bothersome
21:15 < Koi> BlastHardcheese: we are having a serious discussion here, and you troll all over the place.
21:15 < Guerillero> What does the NWS say?
21:15 < TAWX14> EF5 now.
21:15 < Firefly67> Is this something about WP? Or just general discussion?
21:15 < jorgeluis> Koi: SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS INCLUDE ALL CAPS, RIGHT?
21:15 < jorgeluis> I MEAN.
21:15 < Guerillero> I would go with the NWS
21:15 < Koi> Guerillero: NWS says preliminary EF4 while EVERY other meteorologist with MORE training and MORE years of experience is saying EF5
21:15 < Cyclonebiskit> Koi
21:15 < Firefly67> Because it doesn't matter as long as you have sources, right?
21:15 < Cyclonebiskit> it's rated EF5 by NWS Norman
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21:16 < Koi> Guerillero: But why? Because someone with MORE degree, MORE experience, and MORE surveys said something else.
21:16 < BlastHardcheese> IT'S NOT TRUE UNLESS IT'S CAPS LOCK
21:16 < YE> WE ARE GOING IN CIRCLES HERE
21:16 < Cyclonebiskit> where the hell have you been?
21:16 < Cyclonebiskit> is that what this was about?
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21:16 < Guerillero> capslock is cruse control for cool
21:16 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: I'm talking about the time this would've been discussed...
21:16 < Guerillero> anyways
21:16 < YE> Guys
21:16 < Firefly67> Is this about a WP article?
21:16 < YE> we need to knock it off
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21:16 < Koi> Guerillero: seriously, just because it's the govt or "official" does not mean it is more reliable or more important.
21:16 < jorgeluis> BlastHardcheese: You are a gem in a sea of coal balls. Never change.
21:16 < YE> I am a longtime hurricane editor
21:16 < TAWX14> ...yes it does.
21:16 < YE> and I do not take crap from anyone
21:17 < Koi> YE: So what, you are not somoene with a doctorate degree in meteorology, meaning your opinion means nothing more than mine.
21:17 < Cyclonebiskit> Okay, so lets see. Lets take away the National Weather Service
21:17 < Revent> Firefly67: It's about adding the 'early' assessments as they come in, instead of waiting, yes.
21:17 < Cyclonebiskit> that leaves no warning system for severe weather across the country
21:17 < Koi> YE: I don't accept that you're saying that someone with less experience, less degree, and less times doing this is more reliable than someone else.
21:17 < TAWX14> So if Katrina was a Category 2 hurricane at 8:00 am on August 26 and the news meteorologists say it was at Category 4 at the same time, we should say it's a Category 4 because that's the "consensus"
21:17 < TAWX14> makes perfect sense.
21:17 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Wearen't talking about warning systemms.
21:17 < Guerillero> The NWS has many PhD meteorologists
21:17 < Cyclonebiskit> I'm talking about their credibility
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21:17 < YE> *facepalm*
21:17 < Cyclonebiskit> they are the crux of weather warnings in the country
21:17 < Guerillero> and yes YE
21:18 < Koi> Guerillero: Not as many at the NWS norman office making this as TWC and others do.
21:18 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Credible is an opinion.
21:18 < Firefly67> Isn't there an objective method of determining hurricane severity? Why are people disagreeing?
21:18 < YE> We have a consensus here
21:18 < Cyclonebiskit> as is everything in this damn argument
21:18 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: imo, a doctor with MORE schooling, MORE experience, and MORE practice is better than one that is employed by the govt with less all of that.
21:18 < TAWX14> A majority...in fact, almost all...of the non-official mets say the NWS is the most credible source for info
21:18 < Koi> Cyclonebiskit: Anthing different, is stupid to think.
21:18 < TAWX14> and seeing as we follow the majority, the NWS is the official agency.
21:18 < Cyclonebiskit> the word from the NWS is not from one person
21:18 < Guerillero> exactly
21:18 < TAWX14> Problem solved.
21:18 < BlastHardcheese> Firefly67: don't you know, the objective method is arguing in wikipedia's irc channel
21:19 < Koi> TAWX14: Official means NOTHING in Wikipedia.
21:19 < Koi> TAWX14: absolutely NOTHING.
21:19 < TAWX14> ...
21:19 < Cyclonebiskit> ...
21:19 < jorgeluis> o__o
21:19 -!- Kirino [~sarcastic@pool-98-110-153-105.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:19  * Guerillero head desk
21:19 < YE> offical>more reliable
21:19 < Koi> Guerillero: imo, a doctor with MORE schooling, MORE experience, and MORE practice is better than one that is employed by the govt with less all of that.
21:19 < Cyclonebiskit> and there's the reasoning for the argument that I can't understand
21:19 < Koi> Guerillero: Can you comment on that
21:19 < YE> one question
21:19 < BlastHardcheese> NOOOOOOOOOOTHIIIIIIIIINGG
21:19 < TAWX14> I'm going to bed.
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21:19 < Guerillero> I am glad you know how to copy and paste koi
21:19 < SudoGhost> Koi: Is that your official opinion?
21:19 < YE> have any of you ever hear of [[WP:DROP]]?
21:19 -!- Kirino is now known as Guest61352
21:19 < Koi> YE: Ever heard of "don't be an idiot"?
21:19 < Guerillero> I have work in the morning
21:19 < YE> *heard
21:20 < YE> I am asking a simple question
21:20 < Koi> YE: You haven't responded to why you think that someone with MORE experience, schooling, and practice is less reliable than someone with less?
21:20 < Koi> I asked you that multiple times
21:20 < Koi> You never responded.
21:20 < YE> I did........
21:20 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds
21:20 < Kotter> Credentials is nothing
21:20 < Koi> I must have not seen it.
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21:20 < Koi> Kotter: Then how do we judge reliability?
21:20 < Cyclonebiskit> I'm done, I can't handle you stubbornness anymore
21:20 < YE> We have a consensus here
21:21 < YE> so let's move on
21:21 < Koi> Huon: people here think that MORE schooling, MORE practice, and MORE experience is LESS reliable than someone with less than all that.
21:21 < Susan> Hello.
21:21 -!- Cyclonebiskit [~chatzilla@ool-44c784d5.dyn.optonline.net] has left #wikipedia-en []
21:21 < Susan> I'm here.
21:21 < Susan> /clear
21:21 < Koi> Susan: your opinion please.
21:21 < Guerillero> hey MZMB
21:21 < Koi> Ironholds: you're smart, your opinion?
21:21 < YE> You may disagree, but everyone else here does not
21:21 < YE> I'm off as well
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21:21 < Koi> see, Ironholds lives not in the US, so he isn't brainwashed into thinking "amg it's govt it must be king amg amg amg"
21:22 -!- Sarcasm [~sarcastic@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
21:22 < Revent> *lol*
21:22 < Ironholds> my opinion on what?
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21:22 < Susan> Anyway,
21:22 < Koi> What I hate is that nobody there ever provided a reason someone with MORE schooling, experience, and practice in the field is LESS reliable than somone with less.
21:22 < Koi> Ironholds: ^^
21:22  * Ironholds raises eyebrow
21:22 < BlastHardcheese> everything the government says is by definition wrong, for example they say AIDS is caused by HIV when we know it's really a jewish plot to poison people with vaccines
21:22 < Koi> Ironholds: NWS vs more schooling, more years of experience, and more times practicing it meteorologists.
21:22 < Ironholds> BlastHardcheese: no, that's SARS.
21:23 < BlastHardcheese> oh crap right, sorry, I always mix those up
21:23 < Revent> (the guy who's sued the US govt....twice....agrees with using NWS data, btw) I don't think I'm brainwashed
21:23 < Ironholds> AIDS is our plot to justify our massive network of big pharma contacts
21:23 < Huon> NWS?
21:23 < Ironholds> god, get it right.
21:23 < mareklug> Koi  as a notorious Manitoban, you are known to have secessionist, anti-government, militia, pro-gun sympathies.
21:23 < Koi> Ironholds: Some people are of the idea that because it's the NWS, a government organization that is "amg official", it MUST be more reliable.
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21:23 < Susan> Get it right, get it tight.
21:23 < Ironholds> Koi: when the alternative is....?
21:23 < Kotter> Lol
21:23 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Susan] by ChanServ
21:23 < Koi> Ironholds: non-NWS meteorologists with HIGHER degrees, MORE experience (years), and MORE times practicing this in real life.
21:23 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+rgis] by Susan
21:23 <@Susan> Oh dear.
21:24 < Revent> NWS = National Weather Service
21:24 < jorgeluis> you're so hiiiigh high above me
21:24 <@Susan> That isn't what I wanted!
21:24 < jorgeluis> you're so lovely.
21:24 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+m] by Susan
21:24 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-m] by Susan
21:24 < jorgeluis> like cleopatra joan of arc
21:24 < Koi> Susan: stop it.
21:24 < mareklug> Susan!  You look preggers.
21:24 <@Susan> Koi: Make me!
21:24 < Koi> Ironholds: your opinion on it all?
21:24 < Koi> Susan: I will abuse the stalkword
21:24 <@Susan> !op
21:24 < jorgeluis> Aphrodite
21:24 <@Susan> No means no.
21:24 < Prodego> you forgot how good Susan is at abuse, you won't be able to outabuse her
21:25 < Koi> Ironholds: Anything? maybe? :(
21:25 < jorgeluis> Prodego!
21:25 < Steven_Zhang> what?
21:25 < mareklug> him
21:25 <@Susan> I think I broke the channel modes.
21:25 < Guerillero> an op using the op stalkword ins interesting
21:25 < Koi> I used to be an op :P
21:25 < Prodego> hello killiondude
21:25 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-rgis] by Susan
21:25 < Ironholds> Koi: well, I'd probably go for non-NWS, assuming it's not a lunatic.
21:25 < Koi> ! ops susan broke the channel
21:25 < Prodego> koi: arrow to the knee?
21:25 < Steven_Zhang> >_
21:25 < Koi> Ironholds: THANK JESUS
21:25 < Ironholds> I mean, David Icke was a reputable historian for a very long time.
21:25 < Koi> Ironholds: SOMEONE SENSIBLE
21:25 < Kotter> Susangoes rouge
21:25 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-t] by Susan
21:25 < Koi> Ironholds: It's like saying Jay Carney is more reliable on terms of a florida election than the Florida Clerk of Elections.
21:25 <@Susan> I can't remember what n and j are.
21:26 <@Susan> Or c.
21:26 < Koi> because Jay Carney is the "official spokesperson"
21:26 < Koi> Susan: c is colors.
21:26 <@Susan> Who knows.
21:26 < jorgeluis> c is charitwo
21:26 < Ironholds> well, given the 2001 election, I'd agree with that, actually
21:26 < Koi> big C is no CTCP
21:26 < Prodego> n is no external
21:26 < Ironholds> possibly a poor example to use ;p
21:26 < jorgeluis> we all know what the "n" word is
21:26 < Koi> Ironholds: -.- it was a bad example.
21:26 < Prodego> j is a problem
21:26 < Prodego> j is join throttling
21:26 < Kotter> Silly
21:26 < Koi> Ironholds: but seriously, these people think less training experience and education is more reliable because it's government.
21:26 < Prodego> so careful not to unset that because then you have to remember the numbers :)
21:26 <@Susan> Ah, seems mlock prevents me from removing c.
21:26 < Koi> and they do that on EVERY weather article.
21:26 < Guerillero> because the NWS isn't one person
21:27 < Koi> !ops we need another op opped to accountabiity for susan :)
21:27 < Koi> Guerillero: It's becasue nor is all these other meteorologists.
21:27 <@Susan> So many ops.
21:27 < jorgeluis> prodego is here, no need to fear
21:27 < Logan_> Koi: Please don't misuse that.
21:27 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Susan] by ChanServ
21:27 < jorgeluis> Logan_: Behave, please.
21:27 < Koi> I THOUGHT I PUT A SPACE THERE :(
21:27 < Koi> SORRY :(
21:27 < Susan> Gawd.
21:27 < Koi> MY SPACEBAR HATES ME
21:27 < Susan> It's not alone!
21:27 < Prodego> Susan no one has ever accused the channel of being well run
21:27  * Logan_ hugs jorgeluis.
21:27 < Koi> Logan_: sorry <3
21:27 < Susan> Prodego: ikr
21:28 < BlastHardcheese> you also unlocked the topic, meaning anyone can change it
21:28 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
21:28 < Logan_> Koi: I forgive you.
21:28 < jorgeluis> It's always amused me how many lurkers this channel has vs. how little value.
21:28 < Prodego> BlastHardcheese: we will survive
21:28 < Koi> Guerillero: You're saying the NWS isn't one person, but their Norman office only has about 8 people in it at any one time. None of the ones who made the decision for the preliminary rating had more than masters.
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21:28 < jorgeluis> BlastHardcheese: Back in my day that was a feature!
21:28 < Koi> Guerillero: However, some with doctorates, who'd been doing this with EVERY tornado for the past 30 YEARS, say it's different. thus, thyer're more reliable.
21:28 < Guerillero> we could wait a few hours for the real rating
21:28 < Susan> /clear
21:29 < Susan> I just keep doing that.
21:29 < jorgeluis> beef, it's what's for dinner
21:29 < Koi> Susan: can i mess with the topic once?
21:29 < Koi> Susan: pls?
21:29 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away
21:29 < Kotter> Koi this is wp.credentials don't matter
21:29 < Koi> Kotter: But then without the credentials, who's more reliable.
21:29 < Susan> Koi: It's editable by all!
21:30 -!- Kotter changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: tornado chat
21:30 < Koi> Susan: will you kill me?
21:30 < jorgeluis> well,
21:30 -!- Guerillero is now known as Guer|Sleep
21:30 -!- Koi changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: WP:This_Is_Where_Those_With_More_Training_More_Experience_And_Higher_Degrees_Are_More_Reliable_Than_Those_With_Less_But_Are_In_Some_Ways_Technically_Official
21:30 -!- Susan changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: /topic
21:30 < Koi> grr
21:31 -!- Koi changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: 11:30:47 PM Susan set the topic: /topic
21:31 < David_Stevenson> ...
21:31 < mareklug> !ops
21:31 < Koi> topic ception
21:31 < Koi> mareklug: :(
21:31 < jorgeluis> Hi, op here.
21:31 < mareklug> boot the fucker for vandalizing topic
21:31 < Logan_> mareklug: Behave, please.
21:31 < Koi> Susan: can you fix it pls?
21:31 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o jorgeluis] by ChanServ
21:31 <@jorgeluis> WHAT IS THE ISSUE.
21:31 < Koi> jorgeluis: SUSAN ABOOZED IT
21:31 < mareklug> Logan_ I did not vandalize the topic
21:31 -!- Susan changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: Welcome.
21:31 < Logan_> mareklug: You vandalized my soul.
21:31 -!- David_Stevenson changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks
21:31 -!- Koi changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: susan is abooz cabooz pls
21:31 < David_Stevenson> jesus
21:31 < Koi> DAMMIT
21:31 <@jorgeluis> I like "Welcome"
21:31 < David_Stevenson> |:
21:31 < mareklug> Logan_ drive my soul, know that song?
21:31 < Koi> Y U DO IT BEFORE ME
21:31 < Susan> Heh.
21:31 <@jorgeluis> It's short and simple.
21:32 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks
21:32 < Koi> leave it as now.
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Logan_] by ChanServ
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+t] by Logan_
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Logan_] by ChanServ
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o jorgeluis] by ChanServ
21:32 < Koi> susan is abooz cabooz pls
21:32 < Kotter> The topicused to be open
21:32 < jorgeluis> juliancolton is present.
21:32 < Susan> I noticed that!
21:32 < Logan_> Now it is not.
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Susan] by ChanServ
21:32 < SudoGhost> Kotter: I'm guessing this is why it isn't now.
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-t] by Susan
21:32 < David_Stevenson> ...
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o jorgeluis] by Susan
21:32 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Susan] by ChanServ
21:32 < jorgeluis> Logan is an abuseful op.
21:32 < Susan> So much abuse.
21:32 < jorgeluis> Is there a venue where we can discuss this topic?
21:32 < Kotter> It was this plus the gnaa trolls
21:32 -!- Koi changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | Please don't abuse each other.
21:33 < Prodego> Koi likes to push boundaries
21:33 < Koi> per the #wikipedia-en-helpers topic
21:33 < Koi> Prodego: says the person that unilaterally fucks wolfgame
21:33 < Susan> /wp wolfgame
21:33 < jorgeluis> Just the tip.
21:33 < mareklug> wat.  on the other hand, self-abuse is encouraged?
21:33 < jorgeluis> Well,
21:33 < Logan_> Only when killiondude is performing it.
21:33 -!- Koi changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | 11:33:20 PM <mareklug> wat.  on the other hand, self-abuse is encouraged?
21:33 < Susan> Who's killiondude?
21:33 < jorgeluis> ^
21:34 < Koi> can we please leave that in the topic?
21:34 < Koi> to embarass mareklug?
21:34 < Logan_> No public logging.
21:34 < mareklug> koi you realize that you quoted me without permission.
21:34 < Susan> No public flogging.
21:34 < jorgeluis> Just don't mention it and prod ego won't see.
21:34 < Koi> mareklug: it was in the channel :P
21:34 < jorgeluis> PUBLIC FLOGGING!
21:34 < mareklug> Logan_ I think he is abusing.
21:34 < Prodego> jorgeluis: Prodego is very chill today
21:34 -!- Logan_ is now known as log
21:34 < Koi> mareklug: i think ur self abusing
21:34 < Prodego> in general actually
21:34 < Susan> This channel is the worstttttt.
21:35 < mareklug> Koi I think you are a fuck fuck fucker, gwickwire
21:35 < Susan> Prodego: Discovered weed?
21:35 -!- Koi changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | 11:33:20 PM <mareklug> wat.  susan dont be abuse cabooze.
21:35 < log> Koi: Enough, please.
21:35 < Susan> Koi: Cut it out.
21:35  * SudoGhost facepalms
21:35 < Koi> ok.
21:35  * Koi stops :)
21:35 < David_Stevenson> <.<
21:35 < Susan> /clear
21:35 < jorgeluis> If I were an abuseful op I wouldn't have ops anymore.
21:35 < Koi> but its not a quote now so it's not public logging, i solved the problem.
21:35 < bazinga> is anyone else having trouble with the log in?
21:35 < jorgeluis> I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE SAW IN GWICKWIRE.
21:35 < mareklug> now you have manufactured a quote and ascribed it to me.  that can't stand.
21:35 < Koi> jorgeluis: I'm wondering if that's why I lost my ops xD
21:35 < log> So much clever.
21:36 < jorgeluis> Koi: RIP.
21:36 < Koi> jorgeluis: did you vote to deop me :(
21:36 < jorgeluis> I wasn't aware.
21:36 < Koi> yeah, SOMEONE (hint, they're an OBC member and a CU on enwp and a really nice person) took them away :(
21:36 -!- Susan changed the topic of #wikipedia-en to: English Wikipedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks
21:36 < jorgeluis> The cabal has spoken. Extinguish your flame and leave the island.
21:36 < Susan> Heh.
21:36  * log fondles Susan.
21:36 < David_Stevenson> o_O
21:36 < Koi> jorgeluis: but the cabal was on person, i want ops back :( i was good op
21:36  * Koi Fondas Susan
21:36 < Prodego> protip: its a lot closer to that jorgeluis description than the voting
21:37  * David_Stevenson hides the booze from this channel
21:37 < jorgeluis> hah.
21:37 < jorgeluis> Is log a jew?
21:37 < Koi> yes.
21:37 < Koi> he is.
21:37 < Koi> hence why he voted to deops me :(
21:37 < jorgeluis> I just realize he has the stereotypical jewish features.
21:37 < Susan> log: Gay.
21:37 < Koi> I didn't even have ops in an important channel!
21:37 < Koi> it was only in -en-help...
21:37 < jorgeluis> *realized
21:38 < Koi> where I was a good helper...
21:38 < Koi> jorgeluis: gimme ops bakc :(
21:38 < log> So much racism.
21:38 < Susan> I have to pee.
21:38 < Koi> Susan: get a ornl
21:39 < jorgeluis> I don't think I have +f or w/e
21:39 < jorgeluis> THOUGH I DID TRY.
21:39 < Koi> jorgeluis: is ok, -en-help you do right?
21:39  * Koi checks list.
21:39 < jorgeluis> That's what i was talking about.
21:39 < jorgeluis> I think we decided there are 4 +F/f people there
21:39 < Guer|Sleep> I think you have proven why you don't have +o
21:40 < Koi> Guer|Sleep: When I'm in -en-help I'm actually professional :(
21:40 < log> Aren't we all?
21:40 < Koi> Guer|Sleep: Look at the ASM logs (if you have access) where I opped. I was nothing BUT professional.
21:40 < Koi> I'm like Susan, when I was needed, I was there and professional. When not, I was unprofessional.
21:40 < Koi> log: u have ops everywhere so stfu
21:40 < jorgeluis> log in
21:41 < Susan> /clear
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21:41 < Susan> Hi IShadowed_.
21:41 < jorgeluis> hi
21:41 < log> I am very oppy.
21:41 < log> For no apparent reason.
21:41 < Guer|Sleep> Remember the fact that you are "retired"
21:41 < log> PeterSymonds loves me, or something.
21:41 < Koi> jorgeluis: I don't have ops on my cloak anymore.
21:41 < jorgeluis> PeterSymonds is the best.
21:41 < Koi> Guer|Sleep: meh, IRC != wikipedia.
21:41 < bazinga> koi who are you
21:42 < Koi> I used to have ops in -en-help if that helps you find out.
21:42 < bazinga> that doesn't
21:42 < jorgeluis> now he's in hiding
21:42 < bazinga> because i am no longer in -en-help
21:42 < jorgeluis> and complaining
21:42 < jorgeluis> and sometimes shouting
21:42 < Koi> jorgeluis: I'm not in hiding, and I'm only complaining because I miss being able to kill derp :(
21:42 < Koi> even though I love derp.
21:42 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Client Quit]
21:42 < bazinga> oh wait
21:42 < Koi> derp is a nice person when you talk to him.
21:42 -!- IShadowed_ is now known as IShadowed
21:42 < bazinga> are you that guy who logged in on someone elses account
21:42 < Koi> bazinga: maybe.
21:42 < bazinga> ouch
21:43 < jorgeluis> no, that is Steven_Zhang.
21:43 < Prodego> Steve whatever
21:43 -!- SudoGhost [~SudoGhost@wikipedia/SudoGhost] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:43 < Koi> lol.
21:43 < Steven_Zhang> -_-
21:43 < jorgeluis> NO STEVEN YOU MAY NOT HAVE MY PASSWORD.
21:43 < Koi> actually, that's me ya'll :P
21:43 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: you're still ops in here right?
21:43 < bazinga> jorgeluis: actually, he asked for mine
21:43 < jorgeluis> Stranger danger
21:43 < Steven_Zhang> Indeed, I am an op here.
21:43 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: GRRR.
21:43 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: I just honestly don't get it :(
21:43 < Prodego> What that story tells us is run by sociopaths who have no idea what they are doing
21:44 < jorgeluis> Koi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven_Zhang/Disclosure
21:44 < Prodego> is that Wikipedia*
21:44 < Susan> Prodego is twasted.
21:44 < Steven_Zhang> Does it matter?
21:44 < David_Stevenson> Prodego: pretty much
21:44 < Steven_Zhang> I mean, right now, does it matter?
21:44 < jorgeluis> Steven_Zhang: You are a part of Wikipedia's history!
21:44 < jorgeluis> Embrace it.
21:44 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: I'm glad you're open about it.
21:44 < bazinga> Steven_Zhang: what were you thinking when you logged onto a steward's account
21:44 -!- topaz [~twp@wikipedia/twp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
21:45 < Steven_Zhang> He wasn't a steward back then...
21:45 < bazinga> didn't that strike you as abusive?
21:45 < Koi> I'm not glad that I get a totally different response when it was ONE edit that I made.
21:45 < Susan> Heh.
21:45 < Prodego> that is the second part of my argument, by the way
21:45 -!- Cauthon [~chatzilla@cpe-24-93-133-189.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]]
21:45 < Steven_Zhang> How did this conversation start?
21:45 < bazinga> I hope you received disciplinary action from the grammar school.
21:45 < bazinga> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Symonds_College
21:45 < Koi> seriously doe, I think I should get my bits back on wiki.
21:45 < jorgeluis> Now, now. No condescension. Only tasteful ridicule.
21:45 < Kotter> Lol
21:45 < Steven_Zhang> [[Peter Symonds]]
21:46 < Steven_Zhang> who is Koi?
21:46 < Susan> I have to pee.
21:46 < log> A fish.
21:46 < jorgeluis> a blip on the wp timeline
21:46 < jorgeluis> Susan: Relieve yourself wherever you're at. It's cathardic.
21:46 < bazinga> a waste of pixels
21:46 < jorgeluis> cathartic
21:46 < Kotter> Susan get to the bathroom already before you spill all over
21:46 < Susan> MASTECTOMY.
21:46 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang Koi is a misspelling for gwickwire, the worst kind of Manitoban
21:47 < Firefly67> catheters are no fun, my nurse friend tells me
21:47 < Steven_Zhang> ah
21:47 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: Yeah, basically you round two no offense.
21:47 < bazinga> koi: your talking is wasting my bytes
21:47 < bazinga> stop wasting bytes.
21:47 < Steven_Zhang> Yeah.
21:47 < jorgeluis> byt byt byt
21:47  * Susan NP: "How We Do (Party)" by Rita Ora from "ORA"
21:47 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: Except with you you're all back and live and well and nobody gives a shit :/
21:47 < Prodego> It ends up being a non-trivial amounts of bytes
21:47 < bazinga> Susan: this is how we do it (this is how we do it)
21:47 < bazinga> sha-la-la-la-la-la-la
21:47 < Steven_Zhang> well, it happened 4 and a half years ago :P
21:47 < bazinga> (this is how we do it0
21:47 < jorgeluis> so i put my hands up they're playin my song
21:48 < bazinga> and Steven_Zhang flies away
21:48 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: but iirc, none of you were forced to leave by the person finding out.
21:48 < Steven_Zhang> Well, no, I was banned :P
21:48 < Koi> it was brought up on AN(/I), but nobody was forced to do anything.
21:48 < Koi> you were?
21:48 < Koi> oh.
21:48 < Koi> oops.
21:48 < jorgeluis> Stevie is cute.
21:48 < Koi> well neither of the two admins were.
21:48 < bazinga> koi: do your research
21:48 < Koi> iirc
21:48 < Steven_Zhang> that's a pretty clear cut forcing out :P
21:48 < Guer|Sleep> there bits were polled
21:48 < Guer|Sleep> pulled*
21:48 < Koi> Guer|Sleep: *resigned
21:48 < jorgeluis> their
21:48 < Steven_Zhang> well, they resigned
21:49 < Steven_Zhang> but they'd have been desyopped anyways
21:49 < Koi> Guer|Sleep: go to sleep ur gramr zuks
21:49 < bazinga> mhm
21:49 < jorgeluis> PeterSymonds is the best.
21:49 < Steven_Zhang> Yeah.
21:49 < bazinga> koi: stop wasting pixels/bytes
21:49 < bazinga> i have better use for them
21:49 < Koi> He is.
21:49 < jorgeluis> /clear
21:49 < Steven_Zhang> even now I enter a yearly cycle
21:49 < Koi> Steven_Zhang: give me your ops here >:)
21:49 < Steven_Zhang> i'm halfway through the latest cycle
21:49 < bazinga> Steven_Zhang: have you washed your socks in this cycle?
21:49 < jorgeluis> Steven_Zhang is on his cycle.
21:49 < bazinga> I mean, you must've found out how to keep them from being dirty
21:50 < Steven_Zhang> you doofus
21:50 < Steven_Zhang> my yearly cycle is: edit heaps, people suggest i RFA, edit more, chicken out, edit less
21:50 < Prodego> The trick is to have your RfA in 2006
21:50 < Prodego> makes it a lot easier
21:50 < Steven_Zhang> heh, yeah
21:50 < jorgeluis> Prodego: even 2009!
21:51 < David_Stevenson> >_>
21:51 < Guer|Sleep> I rfaed in 2011
21:51 < bazinga> Steven_Zhang: or just use petersymonds password and add the bits from the steward interface
21:51 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang you should take it upon yourself to vet Anna_Frodesiak.  She recently declined her RfA solely on the grounds that she does not believe anyone has looked at her edits.
21:51 < Koi> GOODNIGHT ALL
21:51 < log> Buenos nachos.
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21:52 < jorgeluis> CAPS LOCK
21:53 < bazinga> TIM MINCHIN
21:53 < bazinga> jorgeluis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw&list=UUz5wnzqxdlrhdpaVoRwKe2A&index=19
21:53 < Steven_Zhang> bazinga: >_>
21:53 < Steven_Zhang> mareklug: I'm not very good at that
21:54  * Steven_Zhang is playing FF13-2
21:54 < Huon> a930913, I expect to get a note from your bot in about 5 minutes
21:54 < Steven_Zhang> trying to find some fat sheep
21:54 < mareklug> it's jsut time invested.  basic digging.  anyway, I thought you would want another admin in the Pacific region, one that speaks Chinese to boot.
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21:55 < SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang should learn Chinese
21:56 < jorgeluis> well,
21:56 < a930913> Huon: For a FP? :)
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21:57 < Huon> a930913, yes, because {{election table}} serves as opening bracket for a table
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21:58 < a930913> Huon: Heh :)
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21:59 < bazinga> only a ninja can sneak up on another ninka
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22:00 < a930913> Huon: I don't think it bit ;)
22:01 < Huon> funny, I wonder why not
22:01 < Huon> I did modify brackets, and unpaired brackets remain
22:01 < a930913> Huon: Diff?
22:01 < Huon> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zamboanga_City_local_elections,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=556215967
22:02 < Huon> there's still two surplus "}", according to what the bot told the previous editor on that page
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22:02 < Huon> maybe the bot is smart enough to realize that addind a "{" can't have caused that
22:03 < a930913> Huon: You didn't modify any brackets there.
22:03 < a930913> Wait, you did.
22:04 < Huon> ok, so much the better, I don't mind not being notified of a false positive
22:04 < a930913> Huon: Yeah, you fixed the mismatch within the diff.
22:05 < a930913> Heck it's even clever enough that I could probably make it thank you for that edit when the feature comes :)
22:05 < Huon> no need to do that :-)
22:05 -!- jorgeluis [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Killiondude] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
22:05 < a930913> Why not? That'd be awesome :D
22:05 < Huon> just saw the user who caused that wondering about it on your talk page
22:06 < Revent> *sighs*
22:06 < Huon> I get enough notifications as-is, having a bot cause more for non-essential stuff would be rather tiresome, imo
22:07 < Revent> For some reason, the MILHIST guys include comments inside their 'cut-n-paste' templates, and it breaks the rating tool.
22:08  * a930913 wonders if the notifications is a vector for a DoS.
22:08 < Huon> if you have set your preferences to be emailed, you could probably be spammed
22:09 < Huon> I used to link usernames; I've tried to stop now in order not to always notify everybody I mention in passing
22:09 < a930913> Huon: {{noping}}
22:10 < Moe_Epsilon> Someone goes down your contributions list and starts reverting pingpingpingpingpingping
22:14 < Prodego> hmmm, that sounds fun
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22:17 < bazinga> what's the instrument like a guitar that you play flat on your lap
22:17 < mareklug> steel guitar
22:18 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2M_J16z9sk
22:19 < mareklug> so, like, bazinga, does it matter if I play an instrument? :/
22:20 < mareklug> and y'all thought she was just a buxom blonde country singer girl
22:22 < Revent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg
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23:05 < Prodego> Oh this gets me every time
23:05 < Prodego> http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/12/23/wales_boat_girls.png
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23:09 < MJ94> I think my lack of aleep is getting to me
23:09 < MJ94> sleep*
23:09 < MJ94> I sat in the wikipedia channel wondering why people were speaking Spanish until I realized I was in -es.
23:09 < bazinga> mj94: heh
23:10 < MJ94> mmmmbop
23:10 < mareklug> 3 hours ago it was here, too.
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