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--- Log opened Mon May 20 00:00:27 2013
--- Day changed Mon May 20 2013
00:00  * Jeske_Couriano swivels his Bori head.
00:00 < Jeske_Couriano> Not human, TASN. You should know this by now. :/
00:00 < Jeske_Couriano> ((Read: I don't break character on IRC.))
00:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> aw
00:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> human tails are still ew :p
00:03 < Jeske_Couriano> I much prefer a Bori reynard's tail. :P
00:03 < CensoredBiscuit> remember frienf the fifth pilliar.. ignore all rules
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00:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> CensoredBiscuit so ignore itself
00:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hence dont ignore any rule
00:11 < CensoredBiscuit> ToAruShiroiNeko: blasphemy
00:12 < Revent> *rolls*
00:12 < Revent> [[WP:420]]
00:12 < Revent> The things you find from typos. :)
00:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I didnt know daleks had a concept of blasphemy
00:13 < CensoredBiscuit> are you saying im a dalek?
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00:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
00:15 < CensoredBiscuit> EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE
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00:19 < CensoredBiscuit> you have to admit
00:19 < CensoredBiscuit> im never boring
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00:20 < Revent> Apparently it's now wikispammer primetime in Mumbai *joy*
00:22 < CensoredBiscuit> Revent: Wikiterianism is the only religon that requires citation
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00:29 < russavia> preved kriminologia
00:31 < kriminologia> russavia: dobriy den' (good day)
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00:53 < Revent> Anyone want to randomly assess an article?
00:54 < Revent> It was 'unassessed'...I'm not good a 'real' assessments, but it's very good...
00:54 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Khabarov
00:55 < Revent> I wouldn't be surprised if it's GA, tbh.
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01:29 < SigmaWP> night
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01:32 < closedmouth> Revent: seems like the person who wrote it had a shaky grasp of english http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Khabarov#.E2.80.9CMassoud.3F_Treat_him_like_my_best_friend.E2.80.9D
01:32 < edditer> is there a #wikipedia-math? (an equivalent, because i didn't find this one.)
01:33 < closedmouth> > He could be captured by only being killed, or shot and bleeding, and being in a near-death condition, without a slightest possibility to resist. Anyway, even if have him captured, Khabarov said that he would treat Massoud, like if he was not his fierce enemy, but close ally, instead.[
01:33 < closedmouth> edditer: no
01:34 < closedmouth> ##math maybe
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01:37 < Revent> Ye (sorry, was in other chat for a sec) Yeah, really mostly skimmed it....thought it needed more of a look than I'm really good at.
01:38 < Revent> But....very developed for being completely 'unassessed', which it how it was
01:39 < Revent> I suspect it's a russiawiki translation
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01:55 < Revent> Ok, can someone block this vandal?
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02:08 < Steven_Zhang> evening
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02:18 < Qcoder00> Anyone seem iDM recently?
02:20 < mareklug> Improvised Destructive Mouse?
02:21  * moogsi slaps mareklug
02:21 < moogsi> stop being silly
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02:23 < Qcoder00> mareklug:  I was trying to rack iDM down, because's he's one of my Wiki experts
02:23 < Qcoder00> on something
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02:24 < kondi> Qcoder00: he was here couple of days ago, haven't seen him after that
02:24 < Revent> Anyone here able to do AIV?
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02:25 < kondi> why not mail him?
02:25 < mareklug> kondi he is too big to mail cheaply
02:25 < kondi> err
02:25 < kondi> well I meant email
02:26 < mareklug> oh, you want to attach him?  Then he would be an attache
02:26 < moogsi> iDM has been here in the last week..
02:26 < jubo2> It's looking like I'm going to have to kill the IceWeasel ( like FireFox but more libre over some iditiotic minor detail thing ) process .. it's not responding to UI calls
02:26 < edditer> i think it's time for wikipedia to add a new section to its articles on math (and not only math): prerequisites. and i would like to know your opinion on it.
02:27 < mareklug> jubo2 ot probably is call-screening your calls.
02:27 < jubo2> or is there another way then kll
02:27 < Qcoder00> edditer: What sortof section?
02:27 < jubo2> mareklug: ot ?
02:27 < mareklug> it
02:28 < edditer> Qcoder00: are you into math?
02:28 < Qcoder00> Not really
02:28 < Jasper_Deng> edditer: I do agree Wikipedia's math articles tend to be technical
02:29  * Jasper_Deng loves math
02:29 < Qcoder00> Japser_Deng:  Well proofs are...
02:29 < Qcoder00> ;)
02:29 < Jasper_Deng> I mean, there are many topics where my knowledge of calculus comes in handy
02:29 < Jasper_Deng> like the extension of the factorial function to non-integers
02:29 < Qcoder00> And a lot of math articles do need 'technical' detail
02:29 < Jasper_Deng> ^^
02:29 < edditer> something like "Prerequisites / here's a non-exhaustive  list of topics that the reader is assumed to be familiar with before reading this"
02:30 < Qcoder00> Jasper_Deng:  However,  you shouldn't need a college degree to figure out how to render a torus...
02:30 < jubo2> I go kill 15 it... howzitgoez ..? 'ps -ax | grep Firefox' 'kill -15 PRID'
02:30 < Jasper_Deng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus 's basic concept requires only mid-high-school math
02:30 < Jasper_Deng> edditer: I could support such an idea, but idk about other editors
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02:31 < mareklug> jubo2 that will only search for a process that is killing PRID with flag -15
02:31 < Qcoder00> edditer:  "This article deals with a topic for which knowledge of the following may be recomended: "  - It's better as a lead/header box
02:31 < Jasper_Deng> the only possible issue is edit warring over what should be a prerequisite
02:31 < Qcoder00> Jasper_Deng:  Can I PM you on something?
02:31 < Jasper_Deng> yes?
02:31 < Jasper_Deng> though I'm going off in a few min.
02:32 < jubo2> mareklug: I meant as 2 commands nat'lly
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02:32 < edditer> what i find exciting about this new editorial approach is that it would finally *begin* to address the "too technical" problem *without* affecting accuracy/completeness
02:32 < mareklug> jubo2 you want ps aux
02:33 < jubo2> killed it already
02:33 < jubo2> there is something leaking CPU power in it
02:34 < jubo2> looks like I need to reboot without first closing IceWeasel
02:34 < edditer> how can we get this going? does it take some voting or something? and what would be the most proper place to initiate this project (other than simply beginning to do it on my own, of course)?
02:36 < jubo2> I kill it again and reboot.. back in a moment
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02:37 < edditer> Qcoder00: your style is better, but i "the reader is assumed to be familiar" is stronger, so you may use this one instead.
02:37 < PinkAmpersand> huh. just saw a 6-year-old editor make his first edits.
02:37 < PinkAmpersand> *in account age
02:37 < PinkAmpersand> not in human age
02:38 < edditer> Qcoder00: i == i think*
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02:39 < Qcoder00> Is there are a template sandbox?
02:39 < Qcoder00> I want to try something
02:40 < PinkAmpersand> Qcoder00: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Template_sandbox
02:40 < edditer> Qcoder00: for the prerequisites suggestion?
02:40 < Qcoder00> Yeah
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02:41 < Qcoder00> What's the template for an article space message box?
02:41 < Qcoder00> ambox?
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02:46 < edditer> as i said on #math, a prerequisites tree (like a debian dependency tree) would be of great encyclopedic value itself
02:47 < edditer> actually many other technical articles would benefit from a prerequisites section
02:48 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Template_sandbox Somthing like that?
02:49 < edditer> yeah, that's good enough
02:49 < edditer> there's some bug
02:50 < edditer> well, an editing error: "This article Template sandbox, of a technical"
02:51 < Revent> Most of those templates use 'pagetitle', so they look broken when you look at the actual template.
02:52 < elkng> on that page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS it says: "Latest stable release 10.8.3 (March 14, 2013" and "Latest unstable release 10.8.3 (Seed 12D78) (March 12, 2013", but isnt it the same version number for both stable and unstable ?
02:52 < mareklug> the second one refers to the last, 13th beta releases.
02:52 < mareklug> release elkng
02:53 < mareklug> march 12 vs. march 14
02:53 < Revent> The 'seed' part refers to a cvs version
02:53 < mareklug> seed uniquely defines the release
02:54 < Qcoder00> edditter : Read the source code...
02:54 < Revent> the 'unstable' version of that 'version' probably is compiled with debugging code....
02:54 < Qcoder00> I'm using {{PAGENAME}} which means the article name will auto subst when the template is used
02:54 < elkng> so full version number would be as "10.8.3 (Seed 12D78)" not just 10.8.3
02:54 < Revent> Yup.
02:54 < Qcoder00> It will need an admin to move the template somewhere appropriate though
02:55 < elkng> because in linux kernel's you always depend on those one 2.6.35.10 number
02:55 < mareklug> Software  OS X 10.8.3 (12D78) indeed.
02:55 < mareklug> but that is overkill, since there is only one official issue of 10.8.3
02:56 < Revent> Ye, only developers would care.
02:56 < Revent> All of 10.8.3 would be the same API.
02:57 < edditer> Qcoder00: where do we get their attention? i'm not familiar with wikipedia's administrative routes and leverage.
02:57 < Revent> TfC
02:58 < Revent> *for templates*
02:58 < edditer> i guess we could use #wikipedia-prerequisites channel to talk about it (i just provisionally created it)
02:58 < Qcoder00> edditer: Raise it on WP:VP
02:58 < Qcoder00> edditer: And unoffical channels are ##
02:58 < Qcoder00> ;)
02:58 < edditer> oh. i didn't know about this convention.
02:59 < mareklug> my iMac is now 4 years old, and I have the screen on minimal brightness, and it is still insanely bright.
02:59 < edditer> (i assume you meant it was a freenode convention)
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03:00 < Revent> Ye, IIRC it's a freenode thing.
03:01 < Revent> It's a 'college' IRC, so it's 'organized' :)
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03:02 < Steven_Zhang> TheCavalry: Hey!
03:02 < TheCavalry> Hi! Am at work at the moment so can't really chat :P
03:03 < Steven_Zhang> bah
03:03 < Steven_Zhang> then why are you on IRC >_>
03:03 < Steven_Zhang> wow, i only have 2399 pages on my watchlist
03:04 < Peter-C> hey Steven_Zhang
03:04 < Steven_Zhang> ohai
03:05 < Steven_Zhang> stalk3r
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03:05 < Peter-C> :p
03:08 < Revent> I really do, truly, love the hell out of this assessment gadget.
03:10  * mareklug just carefully color-calibrated his screen and feels well chroma-adjusted.
03:12 < moogsi> mareklug you probably have some undiagnosed colorblindness that you need to see your optician about
03:12 < mareklug> moogsi yes, it is brought about by eating too much sour cream with my white (point) potatos.
03:13 < mareklug> actually, for a guy, my color acuity is phenomenal
03:13 < moogsi> mmmmmm
03:13 < mareklug> would do with some correction for nearsightedness
03:13 < moogsi> potatoooooes
03:14 < Revent> Eat carrots. :)
03:14 < mareklug> moogsi what are some good food sources for magnesium?
03:14 < Revent> Seriously....they are good got your vision
03:14 < Revent> *for
03:14 < moogsi> mareklug: no idea
03:15 < moogsi> ask the interwebs
03:15 < mareklug> Revent might as well eat sweet potatos.  the idea is to injest lots of beta carotene, so carrots is one source.
03:15 < mareklug> ingest *
03:15 < Revent> Ye....carrots are just the 'traditional' wy...
03:15 < mareklug> what people don't eat enough is onion.
03:16 < mareklug> the sulphuric compounds are indispensible
03:16 < Revent> *as far as submarine service, eating carrots for better night vision through the periscope*
03:17 < Qcoder00> The eating carrots for night vision is actually a myth..
03:18 < Qcoder00> (Or at least that's what I've been told.  It was a bit of clever thinking by the Ministry of Information in WWII to hid the effectiveness of UK radar)
03:18 < Revent> *shrugs* Supposedly, the actual effect is faster dark-adaptation.
03:19 < Revent> Dunno if it's 'medically' true.
03:19 < Revent> I know they really do feed the sub OOD's carrots.
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03:24 < edditer> Qcoder00: http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Prerequisites_for_technical_articles
03:26 < edditer> Qcoder00: does it look good enough?
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03:27 < Qcoder00> For a WP post
03:27 < Qcoder00> yeah
03:27 < Steven_Zhang> why do americans pronounce "hyundai" as "hundye"
03:27 < Steven_Zhang> it's "highundai"
03:28 < Revent> *lols* Americans don't pronounce anything right.
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03:29 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang listen to it in translate.google.com, select english and press the speaker icon:  yandey
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03:29 < Revent> _edditer Ye, with math it's too easy to be like a textbook, and not explain why people would possibly care.
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03:29 < Steven_Zhang> right
03:29 < Steven_Zhang> probably spoken by an american.
03:29 < Steven_Zhang> proves nothing :P
03:29 < moogsi> Steven_Zhang: it very much depends on on how it's marketed
03:30 < Revent> *snickers*
03:30 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leopold_Louis_Joubert.jpg
03:30 < moogsi> in the US it's hun day, in europe it's hyun dye
03:30 < Revent> Now /he/ was a king of fashion.
03:30 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang it's like "gyros"  try ordering that around the world
03:31 < Steven_Zhang> bahaha
03:31 < Steven_Zhang> funny
03:31 < Steven_Zhang> saying english things in a foreign accent
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03:32 < mareklug> γυρος  in Grrek
03:32 < mareklug> greek
03:33 < edditer> will you please show your support for my proposal http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Prerequisites_for_technical_articles ?
03:33 < Revent> *tbh, if my personal 'technical' peeve with WP was to get fixed? "Times New Roman" (cringe)
03:34 < Revent> It's about the crappiest looking font in the world.
03:34 < mareklug> Revent you realize it is the client that controls the type selection via style sheets
03:35 < Revent> Ye, I know....and the 'default' is Times New Roman, for 'compatability'
03:35 < Revent> And Times New Roman is horrible.
03:35 < mareklug> i see no time roman on my end.
03:36 < Revent> You are probably using a 'local' font selection.
03:36 < mareklug> not to my knowledge.  I am using a mac though
03:36 < Revent> Yeah, you don't have the 'generic' pos tnr font then, you have a adobe one.
03:37 < Revent> Your TNR probably looks more like a Windows Garamond.
03:38 < mareklug> i don't even have serifs in wikipedia
03:38 < Revent> Yeah, you've got a local font picked then....
03:40 < edditer> Qcoder00: could you please add a link to your template as a reply to my proposal?
03:40 < Qcoder00> Sure
03:41 < mareklug> Revent maybe Safari picks sane defaults, but it certainly does not advertise any:  I just have the option "Never use font sizes smaller than 9" enabled and Style sheet: None selected
03:41 < russavia> !oversight
03:41 < moogsi> Times New Roman is a fine font... it often looks like complete crap on a screen, though
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03:47 < Revent> Yeah, it's not that the 'typeface' TNR is bad....it's that most 'os included' versions are total crap.
03:47 < moogsi> Revent: yup
03:47 < Revent> They don't kern worth a damn.
03:47 < moogsi> wctaiwan: hallo
03:47 < wctaiwan> hey.
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03:54 < Steven_Zhang> hey wctaiwan
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03:54 < Steven_Zhang> so you're gonna be in HK?
03:54 < wctaiwan> hi
03:54 < Revent> FWIW (as I've mentioned elsewhere) I usually look at WP with something like a 15 point font, and zoom to make it look 'normal'. It makes 'broken' layout things more apparent.
03:54 < wctaiwan> nope.
03:54 < Steven_Zhang> bah
03:54 < Steven_Zhang> where do you live again?
03:54 < Steven_Zhang> oh.
03:54 < Steven_Zhang> taiwan >_>
03:54 < wctaiwan> lol
03:54 < wctaiwan> it's okay :P happens a lot
03:54 < Steven_Zhang> wow, I'm retarded
03:54 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang yeah, he used to login in as wchongkong
03:54 < wctaiwan> and you'd have been right to ask a few years back, when I was living in SG / US.
03:55 < Steven_Zhang> :P
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03:58 < moogsi> so wctaiwan... where are you from again? :P
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03:58  * wctaiwan eyeroll
03:58 < mareklug> moogsi_uk he is from chinese taipei
03:59 < russavia> lol mareklug
03:59 < wctaiwan> that's not a place.
03:59 < Revent> How 'politically correct' :)
03:59 < mareklug> it's a place and it's a flag
03:59 < wctaiwan> it's not a place
03:59 < wctaiwan> there's a flag (the Chinese Taipei team's flag at the olympics) generally associated with it, but it's not a place.
04:00 < mareklug> well, at least it has a po box to its name.
04:00 < Steven_Zhang> eh, well, i'm going to bed
04:00 < wctaiwan> night
04:00 < Revent> Ye, the 'real' name is something long and convoluted, iirc.
04:00 < mareklug> yeah, something about republics and something about china
04:00 < wctaiwan> the name every sane person uses is taiwan >.>
04:00 < Steven_Zhang> my day starts at 5am tomorrow. yay
04:00 < wctaiwan> early bird gets the worm or something
04:00 < moogsi_uk> I DO NOT RECOGNISE TAIWAN AS A STATE
04:01 < mareklug> moogsi_uk it is a state of mind
04:01 < wctaiwan> cool beans. anything else?
04:01 < moogsi_uk> mareklug: lol.
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04:01 < Revent> *hmms* Actually, according to the article it's Republic of China now....I guess they finally did change it.
04:02 < mareklug> no, they were always that, since being a Japanese colony.
04:02 < Revent> I thought at one point the 'formal' name of the actual Nationalist govt was something else...
04:02 < wctaiwan> Revent: um, no. long story short, the Republic of China was established in 1911 on what is largely presently the People's Republic of China. The government of the former was defeated by the forces that founded the latter in 1949 and fled to Taiwan.
04:03 < wctaiwan> and has been here ever since.
04:03 < kelapstick> later steven
04:03 < mareklug> they even claim Outer Mongolia
04:03 < Revent> Right, I'm familiar with the history....I'm probably just remembering some odd detail wrong.
04:03 < wctaiwan> you don't sound like it >.>
04:04 < kelapstick> wctaiwan early bird gets the worm but the late mouse gets the cheese
04:04 < mareklug> late mouse -- isn't that a bit like an ex-parrot?
04:04 < wctaiwan> kelapstick: also the early worm gets eaten by the bird.
04:04 < kelapstick> who wants to eat worms anyway
04:04 < Revent> What I was referring to was my *vague* recall of news stories about the PRC threatening Taiwan over a possible name change.
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04:04 < kelapstick> mareklug: who claims outer mongolia?
04:04 < wctaiwan> yes, they don't want us to stop saying we're china.
04:04 < mareklug> fishes, birds, other worms, pigs, several species of small furry animals
04:05 < wctaiwan> kelapstick: The ROC has never formally relinquished its claims.
04:05 < mareklug> kelapstick wctaiwan and his government
04:05  * kelapstick looks around
04:06 < kelapstick> nope, nobody claiming right now
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04:06 < kelapstick> let me know when you plan to reclaim, I will make sure I am out of town :)
04:07 < moogsi_uk> OUTER MONGOLIA IS MINE
04:08 < wctaiwan> it's not a realistic claim. Realistically we have full control over Taiwan and a few outlying islands. Rhetorically we claim Diaoyu / Senkaku Islands and some of the Spratley Islands (with military stationed on one or two of them, not so much the rest). Formally the territory of the ROC has never been altered since the constitution was promulgated, so we still claim Mongolia and stuff.
04:08 < wctaiwan> it's... silly. and I should work on my homework.
04:08 < wctaiwan> such is the wonderful life of an oddly peaceful and normal place.
04:08 < Revent> _wc But yeah, I'm quite aware that 'technically' the ROC is the 'legal' government of China (at least in the world of political theory)
04:09 < wctaiwan> um, no, it isn't. 'most everyone recognises that the PRC is the sole legal representative of the Chinese people.
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04:10 < mareklug> and stuff.  what other stuff do you claim?
04:10 < mareklug> do you claim tibet
04:10 < Revent> Yeah, I don't mean in the 'recognized' sense....I mean in the 'technical' sense of that the war never ended, so in a 'legalistic' sense the PRC is a province in rebellion...but yeah, nobody cares.
04:10 < wctaiwan> yes
04:11 < wctaiwan> mareklug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg not sure how accurate that is but there you go
04:11 < mareklug> wctaiwan so, does Taiwan's governmetn claim the encroachments on India done by the PRC?
04:11 < Revent> If such things were actually decided in a court of law (they totally aren't)
04:12 < wctaiwan> I don't believe we have ever addressed the PRC's territorial disputes with neighbours.
04:13 < wctaiwan> aside from Diaoyu Islands etc.
04:13 < Revent> If you're talking about Kashmir, encroachment isn't really the right term....taking advantage of a neighbor's distraction in an ill-defined border area, maybe. :P
04:14 < wctaiwan> (oh wait, technically I should be saying Diaoyutai Islands. Got confused for a sec.)
04:14 < edditer> Qcoder00: you're linking to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Template_sandbox , which has no specific content
04:14 < wctaiwan> (fun stuff, that. Senkaku, Diaoyu, Diaoyutai.)
04:14 < Qcoder00> edditer :Oh
04:14 < Qcoder00> Might need an old id
04:14 < Qcoder00> :(
04:14 < Qcoder00> I tried
04:15 < Qcoder00> Now athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pre-read
04:15 < Revent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pre-read
04:16 < russavia> mareklug -- i think i've now got COM:AVIATION mascot -- http://i.imgur.com/oALJVMb.png
04:16 < mareklug> that looks like a Polish PLZ construction
04:16 < wctaiwan> nope, arbitrary plane, according to artist.
04:16 < wctaiwan> or at least, not the plane she was actually using
04:17 < russavia> OMG wctaiwan!! how dare you on that subreddit :P
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04:17 < wctaiwan> what?
04:17 < russavia> nvm
04:18 < Revent> _wc BTW, apparent what I was thinking of was the old "Nationalist Governement yada yada name from the 40s
04:18 < Revent> *apparently
04:18 < wctaiwan> yes, it's still called the Republic of China.
04:18 < russavia> Chinese Taipei does sound nicer
04:18 < wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_%28disambiguation%29 fun list of all the incarnations there
04:18 < wctaiwan> I can't vouch for their accuracy though
04:21 < Revent> You should just pick some random glyph and be "The island formerly known as the Republic of China" :P
04:22 < Revent> *totally being a smartass*
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04:51 < a930913> Ugh, who made a mess of the collapse box? :(
04:52 < moogsi_uk> what's wrong with FORMOSA
04:54 < Revent> Sounds too much like an alcoholic beverage. :)
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05:47 < ChrisGualtieri> Hi
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05:57 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritional_Therapy -Copyopaste?
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05:59 < ChrisGualtieri> Where to do I bring a dispute about editors trying to organize a deletion campaign for articles that can't make C class or contain a source? The editors want to purposely light a fire under editor's asses to get everything up to C or delete it.
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06:01 < TheCavalry> Chris: Village Pump, I would think....
06:01 < TheCavalry> ChrisGualtieri ^
06:01 < ChrisGualtieri> Thanks, but which one? Policy or ideas?
06:01 < TheCavalry> Hmm.
06:02 < ChrisGualtieri> The editor in question has a strong personal grudge against me as well... so it is the definition of POINTy
06:02 < TheCavalry> Policy or Misc, I'd say - it might even be worth going to ANI to inform administrators about a concerted campaign to nominate articles for deletion
06:03 < ChrisGualtieri> It hasn't started yet, but I do understand that it is rather shocking.
06:04 < ChrisGualtieri> 'So heres my compromise. ill scale down the campaigne to stub-class. So start-class be spared. Which makes it even easier for us to upgrade these articles to at least start. However, a 6 month period to prove notability within the article. once proven and new sources added into the article, it may be upto C-class.' ~ Lucia Black
06:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri we had that with fiction related articles
06:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> where content was "redirectified" in mass quantities
06:05 < ChrisGualtieri> That's not good.
06:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tens of thousands of pages are redirects as a result
06:05 < ChrisGualtieri> After combing through Qworty's edits, he basically conducted wholesale axing of books as well.
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06:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> maybe start a [[WP:Stubs are allowed]]? Too obvious?
06:07 < ChrisGualtieri> Is that a real policy, I can't find it in my search window
06:07 < ChrisGualtieri> I know it is true btw
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it isnt
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> maybe propose it I mean
06:08 < ChrisGualtieri> No.. stubs are allowed.
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yet another common sense policy
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know that
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly some people dont
06:08 < Qcoder00> Isn't Qworty on ANI for other reasons?
06:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> q search of it would reveal that
06:09 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: I don't think asking for at least one source is unreasonable. On the other hand, saying all stubs must go is unreasonable.
06:09 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#User:Qworty
06:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I can provide sources just dont ask for 10,000 of them at the same time
06:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont need a spring cleaning of short articles especially if they arent copyvios or are on real people
06:10 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan, a lot of RSes for the material is Japanese language only
06:10 < wctaiwan> ToAruShiroiNeko: WP:BURDEN, tbh. Redirection doesn't cause article history to become lost. You can restore it as soon as you find a source. That said, spring cleaning _is_ distasteful.
06:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> real people topic is problematic per PLB only
06:10 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: sure, japanese is fine..
06:10 < ChrisGualtieri> And within 5 minutes I got RSes on both pages proded.
06:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan sure, I dont disagree
06:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but if you are going to mass redirectify them, I cannot handle thay
06:11 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: The actual argument raised said Japanese doesn't matter, it had to be 'notable in english'.
06:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there is no deadline
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06:11 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: I'm fairly certain they're wrong
06:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri I have seen people state that wikipedia should be christian default
06:11 < wctaiwan> english sources are preferred, but they can't say japanese sources don't matter.
06:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan they are a mob they are always right on their heads
06:11 < wctaiwan> take it to a noticeboard, then.
06:11 < ChrisGualtieri> Yeah... well, this is the same person who has massive issues with BATTLE
06:12 < wctaiwan> if you can't come to an agreement with them.
06:12 < Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:  WIkipedia Christian?
06:12 < Qcoder00> ROFL
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06:12 < Qcoder00> Wikipedia in places is downright atheiest
06:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I would suggest ani as well but dont get your hopes up
06:12 < wctaiwan> but "let me keep my entirely unsourced articles; there are too many to source all at once" is pretty shaky ground to stand on.
06:12 < carly> Hi
06:12 < carly> All
06:13 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: Some of the most notable series and works have not yet been worked on for months
06:13  * carly cries
06:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 that was the explanation I got when I asked why [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (clergy)]] wasnt renamed to [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Christian clergy)]]
06:13 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: It is outright outlandish, because you can find RSes with a simple good faith search
06:13 < wctaiwan> WP:BURDEN..
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06:13 < ChrisGualtieri> Wrong.
06:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan thjats not the purpose of wp:burden
06:14 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone who puts it up for deletion should make a good faith effort to find and improve it prior to deletion
06:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan wikipedia editors are epxected to act in good faith
06:14 < wctaiwan> of course it is. You want to say something, you back it up with a source. You can't just create a bunch of articles and don't bother to source them because sources are easy _for others_ to find
06:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure you can
06:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats how wikipedia got most of its articles
06:14 < carly> Aaaaaaah
06:14 < ChrisGualtieri> Japanese Wiki doesn't require a source for every single thing either
06:15 < wctaiwan> I'm not saying mass redirecting is good--it's pointy. But if you want to write an article these days, having one good source is pretty basic.
06:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Enwiki may have higher standards for sourcing, but you know how link rot and such is
06:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I know that
06:15 < wctaiwan> not every single thing--every single article.
06:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Many of these are from 200-2009
06:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but a newbie editor doesnt
06:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he wont contribute if he is greated by a hostile mass rediectifier
06:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if a simple google search reveals sources and you are nominating it for deletion you are abusing the system IMHO
06:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Agreed.
06:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a lot of dletion requests could be fixed in 5 seconds
06:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there is no emergency
06:16 < wctaiwan> we're agreed that mass redirection is bad. But I know there are extreme inclusionists who have a mentality of letting others source their articles for them, and I don't think that's how you build a high quality encyclopedia.
06:16 < ChrisGualtieri> If anything deletion has to bare a higher scrunity then it does. Its not as if they are BLP either
06:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we can deal with stubs slowly
06:16 < wctaiwan> and I don't want to encourage that mindset.
06:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why not?
06:16 < ChrisGualtieri> Wikipedia is not finite in articles or scope, there is no limit to the number of articles we can have
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its been how wikipedia operated since it stated
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hard drives are cheap
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that was the motto
06:17 < wctaiwan> keep the readers in mind. They're reading the encyclopedia as you build it. There is no deadline, but you need to serve your readers better by providing the best you can give them the moment they click on an article.
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I am a readier
06:17 < wctaiwan> and that means sources.
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and I find it annoying that I cant find information I need
06:17 < ChrisGualtieri> I disagree... many articles which even minor coverage serve me better then google
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even if unsourced I welcome information
06:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> say on an anime character
06:17 < wctaiwan> but you can never know if they're correct.
06:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> where the source is the anime itself
06:18 < wctaiwan> because there's no damned source..
06:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I can watch the source material
06:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the video or book or whatever
06:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if the source is a book I cant immediately find it either
06:18 < ChrisGualtieri> Yeah, its not like their is this mass effort to hoax things and we block editors that do that on discovery
06:18 < ChrisGualtieri> BLP must be stricter, but anime and manga. Bah.
06:19 < wctaiwan> meh. Do what you want. I don't have to like it though.
06:19 < ChrisGualtieri> Since the industry imploded back in the USA and UK it has been harder to get RSes on that
06:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I agree with your point that articles should have sources I also feel there is no deadline
06:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not forcing you to like it, all I am saying is mass redirectification is problematic
06:19 < ChrisGualtieri> Four of the sites from the publishers have gone under in 5 years to.
06:20 < wctaiwan> I agree with that part, ToAruShiroiNeko, but I also hate people who see article count as some kind of badge of honour.
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06:20 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm stuck using wayback and archived material for even simple information about who created it, interviews and even simple release data better found on Amazon.
06:20 < ChrisGualtieri> I don't think anyone is making that claim wctaiwan
06:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan these are almost entirely wirtten by one time editors
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06:20 < wctaiwan> I'm not talking about this specific case.
06:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the people mass redirectifying have a kill count thoughj
06:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am talking about the orlder mass anime/manga/ficiton mass redirectificaiton
06:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> my experience with that was abismal
06:22 < Revent> FWIW, it can be really overboard....I've seen 'missing' missing encyclopedia articles because someone speedied em.
06:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan I am thinking we are at a general agrement such that counters are annoying
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06:22 < Revent> Thinking 'no sources'.
06:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> article count, deletion count whatever
06:23 < ChrisGualtieri> Counters are stupid because they split people up like this.
06:23 < ChrisGualtieri> Even edit count doesn't matter to me and I got a huge number there.
06:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "I have over 9000 edits and thats more than everyone else, my ePenis is bigger!"
06:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ya...
06:24 < Qcoder00> I'm apparently one of the top 20 most active contributors
06:24 < carly> ...
06:24 < Qcoder00> but most of it's minor filespace edits
06:24 < carly> And?
06:25 < Qcoder00> So techncially most of my edits aren't actually building things
06:25 < ChrisGualtieri> I do a lot of maintaince and clean up of issues as well
06:26 < ChrisGualtieri> This type of work is not done by many people, like fixing typos, cleaning up external links, removing spam, fixing broken templates and mark up.
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06:26 < wctaiwan> I'm happy so long as people aren't creating crappy articles and expecting others to fix them for them.
06:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> most of my useful edits are to tmeplates
06:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan that will always happen by 1-artilcle editors
06:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whom would be drawn to improve them over time
06:26 < ChrisGualtieri> No one is suggesting making crappy articles, but wholesale removal of them is disruptive.
06:26 < wctaiwan> I'll give them a free pass.
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06:27  * ToAruShiroiNeko hugs the pass
06:27 < wctaiwan> what I mean are the people who keep yelling WP:BEFORE at every single AfD, flooding AfDs with shitty sources, expecting others to integrate them, and deriding nominators for not spending their time to fix crap.
06:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan redirectification doesnt go by afd
06:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you nominate 30,40 articles for redirectificaion, post it on a single talk page for a vote
06:29 < wctaiwan> neither abusive inclusionists nor abusive deletionists are good, ToAruShiroiNeko.
06:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wait for 2 weeks and boom thats a consensus if 2 more of your friends vote with you
06:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan sure
06:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont have abusive inclusion as much as deletion thougj
06:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont disagree that quality is important
06:29 < ChrisGualtieri> Even when things go to deletion, the mergers are rare
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06:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri here I thought I was crazy all these years :Lp
06:31 < ChrisGualtieri> for what?
06:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> for stub remarks
06:33 < ChrisGualtieri> Lucia Black seems to be trolling as always... she even has her issues over at templates.
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06:33 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Track_listing&diff=prev&oldid=555809423
06:33 < ChrisGualtieri> Got to love that edit summary
06:33 < wctaiwan> you probably know this already but, it's a very good idea to avoid bring specific disputes to IRC.
06:33 < wctaiwan> bringing*
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06:33 < carly> Hi TOS :)
06:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> seeking a general audience is bad?
06:34 < TOS> hey
06:34 < ChrisGualtieri> Sorry, but taking it to PUMP or ANI is probably my best bet at this point
06:34 < wctaiwan> ToAruShiroiNeko: opens you up to a wide array of smears.
06:34 < ChrisGualtieri> Probably PUMP
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06:34 < carly> How are you TOS ? :)
06:34 < wctaiwan> yeah, on-wiki is generally better.
06:35 < TOS> I'm perfectly fine carly. Do I know u?
06:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TOS expired :p
06:35  * TOS slaps ToAruShiroiNeko around a bit with a large trout
06:35 < TOS> :P
06:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
06:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri sure, IRC is a good tool to gage if you are insane
06:36 < ChrisGualtieri> I guess. :o
06:36 < carly> TOS i am new here,i am here over one year ago only
06:36 < carly> ;)
06:36  * TOS decides that ToAruShiroiNeko is insane
06:36 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm still learning Japanese so I can't source all the articles
06:36 < TOS> carly Gotcha
06:36 < mareklug> wctaiwan http://www.macgasm.net/2013/05/17/low-macbook-air-stock-suggests-updated-model-to-come-at-wwdc/  your haswell dream machine, perhaps come June 4?
06:36 < carly> Hi ChrisGaltieri
06:36 < ChrisGualtieri> I really needed help pointing towards policy and such
06:36 < ChrisGualtieri> hi
06:36 < carly> TOS :)
06:37 < mareklug> carly how is your corazon today?
06:37 < wctaiwan> mareklug: well, this one I'm using right now will chug along for one more year at least, but it's possible.
06:37 < carly> Bad
06:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ChrisGualtieri probably also no ofline access to japanese magazines that cover some of those topics
06:37 < carly> Mareklug abre privado
06:37 < mareklug> wctaiwan an Air would be affordable.  and if it comes with 802.11ac networking...
06:37 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: afaik, with regard to sources, the language / format don't matter. The quality / authoritativeness do.
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06:38 < carly> Hi ragesoss_ :)
06:38 < wctaiwan> mareklug: I don't think my dream machine would ever arrive, to be honest. That'd require them to go back to 16:10 and I don't think it's happening.
06:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan there is a omg non-english crowd though
06:38 < TOS> carly Come join us at #wikipedia-en-help if you want
06:38 < mareklug> wctaiwan you can buy an external monitor for that
06:39 < mareklug> TOS you misspelled come to Calcutta and be my shopped for gf
06:39 < wctaiwan> they won't win out though. In all the discussions I can recall there has never been any consensus that lack of english sources -> deletion.
06:39 < wctaiwan> especially for a language as prominent as Japanese.
06:39 < jeremyb> who knows userspace deletion policy and can spare a couple mins?
06:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well, they do from time to time irritate me
06:39 < Revent> That would, tbh, wipe out a lot of historical "english" authors that never wrote in english.
06:39 < TOS> mareklug I dont know how I make such bad spelling errors
06:40  * jeremyb goes to read CSD
06:40 < mareklug> TOS it is easy.  you are not  a native speaker.  you hail from Bihar, right?
06:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> like the reyhanı bombing was reyhanli for a while
06:40 < wctaiwan> mareklug: i spel just fin!
06:40 < TOS> mareklug Nopes.
06:41 < mareklug> TOS West Bengal!
06:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its bad enough there is a real world event that information just washes over to be forgotten, but you have that distraction too
06:41 < TOS> mareklug Yes
06:41 < mareklug> TOS are you aware of Morrissey's song Bengali in Platforms?
06:41 < TOS> No
06:42 < mareklug> TOS here you go.  it is a fine song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qTY6-xKHpM
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06:43 < mareklug> wctaiwan you too ^^^
06:43 < wctaiwan> I have to go.
06:43 < wctaiwan> bye
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06:43 < TOS> Me too
06:43 < TOS> Bye
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06:44 < mareklug> aw.  by music listening audience has evaporated.
06:44 < mareklug> my *
06:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm?
06:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> do you like Daft Punk
06:44 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qTY6-xKHpM  Bengali in Platforms by Morrissey
06:44 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I have yet to her any Daft Punk
06:44 < mareklug> hear *
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06:48 < carly> :)
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06:52 < closedmouth> mareklug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8
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06:53 < mareklug> closedmouth thank you.
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06:54 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko closedmouth  what's with the distorting autotune?  is this hip in 2qt 2013?
06:54 < mareklug> still hip *
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06:57 < closedmouth> it's from 2001
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06:57 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko closedmouth ah.  it is definitely not aging well.
06:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug hmm?
06:58 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko the Daft Punkc c. 2001 that closedmouth linked above
06:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am sure you heard around the world :)
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06:59 < closedmouth> they're not my favourite music, but i do like the beat in "one more time"
06:59 < mareklug> closedmouth this little Canadian girl has interesting stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d44bmVQHoF0
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07:02 < Swob> hi phar
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07:02 < mareklug> Swob that reminds me.  Do you know Liz Phair?
07:02 < Swob> are you named after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharos
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07:02 < Pharos> yes
07:02 < Swob> never heard of her, no
07:02 < Swob> a singer?
07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_More_Time_(Daft_Punk_song)
07:03 < mareklug> Swob a Chicago singer no less
07:03 < Pharos> i'm named after enligtenment
07:04 < mareklug> "The song is listed at #5 on Pitchfork Media's top 500 songs of the 2000s,[3] and #33 on Rolling Stone's top 100 songs of the decade (2000–2009)[4] as well as #307 on Rolling Stone's amended "The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time" list in May 2010. It was voted by Mixmag readers as the greatest dance record of all time.[5]"  this is laughable.  I can think of any number of Dannie Minogue dance numbers that exceed this in every category.
07:04 < Swob> ok
07:04 < Fleet|mobile> Hi Swob
07:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://blip.tv/youcanplaythis/interstella-5555-5335213 if you want a review of it
07:04 < Revent> Liz Phair is fairly well known...
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07:05 < mareklug> Swob closedmouth ToAruShiroiNeko  some real music (also criticially acclaimed and entirely lowfi)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6iYQB6nVwI  "Fuck and Run", Liz Phair, album: Exile in Guyville
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07:08 < mareklug> …and for good measure, from the same album, the opener, "6'1", but live:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1oOlZWqP8U
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07:10 < ChrisGualtieri> Sweet I managed to get lucky and find the studio for that PROD. >.> Its all in Japanese though, but I got the staff credits!
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07:44 < russavia> admin around to undelete this please - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Russavia/Heritage&action=edit&redlink=1
07:46 < carly> Russavia I though you are an admin
07:46 < carly> Thought*
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07:49 < retsreklawts> russavia, looking
07:50 < GorillaWarfare> russavia: Done
07:50 < russavia> thanks can you do the talk page of this as well please
07:50 < retsreklawts> done talkpage :)
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07:51 < russavia> thx kindly
07:51 < GorillaWarfare> Haha, teamwork
07:51 < retsreklawts> :D
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07:56 < Koi> russavia: hi hi hi hi hi
07:56 < TheDruId> o/
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09:35 < Revent> *waves* the 'social' version. :)
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09:36 < Predator> ok i get ya. So are you a female?
09:36 < Revent> Nope....
09:37 < Revent> I'm just wierd.
09:37 < Predator> Are there any females who roam around in wiki chats?
09:37 < Revent> Yes.
09:37 < TheDruId> Some, but not this kid.
09:37 < Jetro> at least one
09:37 < Jetro> Carly punch!
09:37  * Jetro hides 
09:37 < Predator> carly rae jepsen?
09:37 < Predator> what/
09:37 < Predator> omg
09:38 < Predator> like really?
09:38 < Revent> I'm aware of a couple, but you don't really 'talk about' people personally unless they do (gender and such)
09:38 < Revent> As far as a 'wp' thing...
09:39 < Revent> (there are people who would get in trouble for editing 'honestly')
09:39 < Predator> What are you guys anyway? Like full time volunteers? or do you have jobs and a like real life with girlfriends and stuff etc etc
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09:40 < TheDruId> Retired and volunteer as the availability presents itself.
09:40 < Huon> Predator, we're volunteers, but that doesn't keep us from having a real life
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09:40 < Revent> A lot of the people 'in' these irc channels are extremely afk.
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09:41 < Carly> Whats up with me
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09:41 < Carly> Predator hi?
09:41 < Revent> You're a girl, apparently.
09:41 < Carly> Jetro PUNCH? :D
09:41  * Jetro is hiding, can't find me! 
09:41 < Predator> The DruiD: Don't tell me your a old dude.Like a war veteran or somethin like that.Since when did old people become technologically efficient?
09:42 < Predator> Oh hi carly... i was well you know talkin about wiki gals..LoL
09:42 < Revent> *lols* Just what do you consider old? I /am/ a war vet.
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09:43 < Revent> I've also been using the net since before there was a web, so....
09:43 < TheDruId> Predator, I don't know about old; I retired 6 years ago, but I was young for it.
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09:43 < Revent> "On the Internet, noone know's you're a dog"
09:43 < Predator> Man you guys are awesome.Are you guys all from the same place?
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09:44 < marktraceur> s/guys/people/
09:44 < Revent> Or, the funnier version.... "The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and kids are FBI agents."
09:44 < marktraceur> g
09:44 < Predator> Carly: Hey hi, Are you the only female over here?
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> Predator: No
09:44 < GorillaWarfare> Though some of us don't like to reveal our genders
09:45 < GorillaWarfare> And some people don't much appreciate being asked
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09:45 < Revent> *points at what he said earlier* I told you, I might be kidding, but I'm not.
09:46 < Predator> So i guess this is bad place to get a bit of fame and also for dating huh ...?
09:46 < TheDruId> I'll take 'middle-aged'.
09:46 < Predator> *Lol...*
09:46 < GorillaWarfare> Predator: Er, no, typically not
09:46 < Revent> *lols....well..
09:46 < marktraceur> Predator: This is an IRC channel for discussing en.wikipedia.org which is, last I checked, not a dating site
09:46 < marktraceur> (maybe I'm using it wrong)
09:47 < Revent> marktraceur: You forgot the 'horny' userbox.
09:47 < Carly> Predator the real female one,then yesp
09:47 < GorillaWarfare> Revent: I try to at every possible chance
09:47 < Carly> Haha xd
09:47 < Predator> Hey marktraceur : No i don't you.But your name intrigues me....are you efficient at parkour?
09:47  * Carly laughs
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09:47 < marktraceur> Predator: I play at it sometimes, but I'm in a bit of a break at the moment
09:47 -!- Mezelf14 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Mezelf14] has joined #wikipedia-en
09:48 < marktraceur> i.e. "work is busy and I'm tired when I leave, so Parkour doesn't happen"
09:48 < TheDruId> Well, I don't know how User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry and User:Panyd met, but they ended up married...
09:48 < Predator> ....ahaa i knew it.Man i wanna try backflips ,crawl on buildings,and windows.But i'm kinda fat man...this sucks
09:49 < marktraceur> Predator: A) Backflips generally aren't very efficient, so they aren't usually considered a part of Parkour; B) Parkour can be practised by anyone, since the only real rule is "find the best way to get places"
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09:50 < Revent> Usually the whole exercise and getting in shape thing comes first. If nothing else, landing on your skull hurts less when skinny.
09:50 < GorillaWarfare> TheDruId: There are plenty of Wikipedians in relationships, but if you come here looking for a relationship, your chances are probably slim.
09:50 < Predator> I know dude.I get fired up when i see all this crazy shit on youtube that people do.I know this one guy ryan doyle.He's freakin awesome.Although i'm afraid and nervous to break my bones
09:51 < Revent> *for some reason that read in the... "you have chosen....poorly" voice
09:51 < TheDruId> Well, it's not a bad place to start, as a community of idealists who should all be committed, commitment issues aside...
09:51 < Revent> ^^gorilla
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09:52 < Revent> BTW, the book every Wikipedian should read....sec.
09:52 < Predator> Ok since you said it The Druid: i'm gonna try this ..... Hey CARLY: Are you single?
09:52 < Carly> LOL
09:52 < Revent> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0965792951
09:53 < Carly> Predator is in serious?
09:53 < Pote> ._.
09:53 < Revent> ^^ outstanding book, quite relevant in a way to any wikigeek
09:53 < GorillaWarfare> Predator: I would... not suggest that
09:54 < Revent> (the committed comment is what brought that up)
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09:54 < TheDruId> You realise that referred to mental instability and confinement in an institution?
09:54 < Predator> Carly : If you honestly tell me your age ,i might consider to be.Who knows i might even make a proposal.But i have feeling that your already reserved.And well there's don't do that vibe from others ya know
09:54  * kelapstick should be commited
09:55 < Fluffernutter> ...what the hell
09:55 < Carly> What Predator
09:55 < Revent> Thedruld (ye, was brought the /book/ I mentioned up....it's about a committed madman)
09:55 < Fluffernutter> Predator, do not use this channel for picking up dates. Do not ask other users their ages or locations. If you continue to do so, I will remove you.
09:56 < Fluffernutter> Carly, do not give out that information.
09:56 < marktraceur> ++Fluffernutter
09:56 < Carly> I didn't
09:56 < Carly> Fluffernutter ;)
09:57 < notconfusing_> Can anyone direct me to where I can find the source of Special:Booksources
09:57 < notconfusing_> or how it can be updated?
09:57 < Revent> Predator, for your information, as an old 'net dinosoaur'...the point I was trying to get across....if someone doesn't 'front' themselves as of a gender, you ignore it....and if they do, you don't assume it's real.
09:57 < Predator> Ok fine buddy .Flutternutter: Where'd you pop up from suddenly.I didn't notice you there.Well i didn't force her too.i respect her choice as a woman.
09:57 < marktraceur> Predator: On the topic of Parkour: The most efficient way to introduce yourself to the enwiki community did not include "hit on people in the IRC channel"
09:58 < Fluffernutter> Predator: my point is that in this channel, it's not appropriate to even ask things like that. It doesn't matter whether the other person accepts or not.
09:58 < Predator> i am not trying to hit on anybody.I just thought i'd try out commitment as mentioned by the Druid: literally
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09:59 < Revent> As I said, "The Internet, where men are men, yada yada"
09:59 < Carly> Xd
09:59 < Carly> What is yada yads
09:59 < Carly> Lol
09:59 < Predator> I thought this IRC channel was different from the ones you find on darknet
10:00 < Revent> yada yada? It's....not really slang, but....like skat, almost....
10:00 < Predator> It is kind of creepy
10:00 < Revent> verbal lorem ipsum
10:00 < Carly> Predator here on Freenode we have a lot of channel
10:00 < GorillaWarfare> Predator: It's for discussion of the English Wikipedia. There is social discussion here, but asking for personal information crosses a line.
10:01 < Carly> You can always join in #defocus Predator
10:01 < TheDruId> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yada_yada_yada
10:01 < Revent> Nice....
10:01 < Carly> Our social channel
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10:01 < Predator>  i get that ...gorilla warfare.Copy and clear....
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10:01 < Revent> (affectionately, of course)
10:02 < Predator> Carly: what's  that?
10:02 < Revent> Some of my favorite wiki moments are... "Really, THAT has an article?"
10:02 < Carly> Predator #defocus is a social channel
10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Is it true that NASA will host the next wikimania on the ISS?
10:03 < GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: Yes, it's been confirmed
10:03 < Predator> Ummm , how do i goto that channel? I mean i don't see a link
10:03 < Revent> type /join #defocus
10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare how will they get the wikipe-tan cosplayers up there though?
10:03 < Carly> Predator you can join by /join #defocus
10:04 < TheDruId> Screen shots.
10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> #refocus ?
10:04 < Predator> Can i ask personal info there?
10:04 < Predator> on defocus?
10:04 < Carly> But even there you should behave or will be banned or quieted Predator
10:04 < Carly> No.
10:04 < Predator> Oh man....
10:04 < Predator> sad
10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> personal info? why?
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10:05 < Predator> what's the point of being social then...
10:05 < Revent> Predator?
10:05 < Carly> Or maybe
10:05 < TheDruId> The nick doesn't help, there, either...
10:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Predator to socialise
10:05 < Revent> This is *freenode*
10:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> personal info given over IRC is no longer personal
10:05 < Carly> If someone dont feel annoyed by your question...but pm maybe
10:05 < Revent> It's kinda....run by a college computer lab.
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10:05 < Predator> how do i pm you?
10:06 < DJMalik> ._.
10:06 < Revent> It's not like the irc networks with porn fileservers.
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10:06 < Carly> Predator I can answer you questions related with Freenode network and help you to use the chat
10:06 < GorillaWarfare> Predator: Please stop asking for personal information.
10:07 < Carly> Or always can join #freenode anyway
10:07 < Bradford> Carly:  fea
10:07 < Revent> Carly: oh you're a net op?
10:07 < TheDruId> Ironholds, o/
10:07 < Ironholds> hey, TheDruId
10:07 < QueenOfFrance> Revent: no.
10:07 < TheDruId> Misread the thread on Jimbo's page and thought /you/ had gotten blocked...
10:07 < Predator> it's kinda complicated to even PM over here.I didn't ask a personal question Gorilla,why you goin all gorilla on me now ?
10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare is NOT going gorilla on you
10:08 < GorillaWarfare> Predator: I am skeptical of people who join this channel who appear to have the sole intent of learning personal information about others, particularly females.
10:08 < TheDruId> Took me a moment to read my way clear.
10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare only goes warfare on the likes of you
10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare no females on the internet right?
10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ;)
10:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Predator we are all actually ugly FBI dudes
10:09 < GorillaWarfare> That's what they tell me.
10:09 < QueenOfFrance> GorillaWarfare: it's amazing how many PMs of that sort I get
10:09 < TheDruId> Predator, and WHAAOE, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming
10:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> QueenOfFrance why? you arent even a princess!
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10:09 < QueenOfFrance> I once had somebody PM me saying "I want to be your slave" or something on those lines
10:09 < QueenOfFrance> ToAruShiroiNeko: people seem to think that I'm a woman
10:09 < Predator> Well Gorilla: i can honestly tell you am a nice guy.I wouldn't wanna hurt anybody's feelings.That being said my intention not to go after females.Am not a virtual rapist....LoL
10:09 < GorillaWarfare> QueenOfFrance: Gender-ambiguous usernames have their benefits.
10:09 < GorillaWarfare> Says the guy using the nick "Predator".
10:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> QueenOfFrance you are a woman. Just in an alternate reality.
10:10 < QueenOfFrance> GorillaWarfare: obviously means that he's a drone
10:10 < marktraceur> GorillaWarfare: The intent is obviously for us to catch him
10:10  * GorillaWarfare looks around for Chris Hansen and the cameras
10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> virtual rapists exist?
10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> must be like virtual therapists
10:10 < QueenOfFrance> ToAruShiroiNeko: could be, could be, but I hope I am not on IRC in said alternate reality
10:10 < TheDruId> They're virtually everywhere.
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10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> QueenOfFrance you are and you are the queen of france where napoleon won
10:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you rule all of the world
10:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> excluding florida
10:11 < Carly> Revent No,but I am usually helping in freenode channels
10:11 < QueenOfFrance> ToAruShiroiNeko: :o wouldn't that make me empress of the french rather than quene of france? :D
10:11 < Carly> Or helping in pm
10:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> QueenOfFrance empire of what?
10:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you have no actual power like elizabeth II
10:11 < QueenOfFrance> ToAruShiroiNeko: well Napoleon was Emperor Of the French rather than King of France
10:11 < TheDruId> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Mass%C3%A9na was overshadowed by Napolean.
10:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont know, its alternate history dont expect it to be factually acurate :p
10:12 < QueenOfFrance> Even Luis Philippe was King of the French rather than King of France, iirc
10:12 < QueenOfFrance> ToAruShiroiNeko: lame
10:12 < QueenOfFrance> :P
10:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> aw :D
10:12 < Predator> I know.I chose this name on purpose.This kinda safer..obviously if put my name as predator...you don't take it literally.But i just proved that am not afraid to use this name and am a normal guy
10:12 < QueenOfFrance> ...
10:12 < Bradford> ._.
10:12 < addihockey10> Ermahgerd
10:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> french royalty are too french
10:12 < addihockey10> It's booting
10:12 < addihockey10> ERMAHGERD
10:12 < GorillaWarfare> addihockey10: Hm?
10:13 < addihockey10> I took apart my laptop last night
10:13 < Revent> Predator: Um really, you proved you're a normal guy?
10:13 < addihockey10> To clean the fan
10:13 < addihockey10> And i didn't know how to put it back together
10:13 < addihockey10> But i guess it works
10:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Predator is a normal guy
10:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as normal as a Predator gets
10:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> possibly he is against aliens
10:14 < Revent> Half the point is that for all any of us know you're a siamese twin midget from Nepal, and noone cares.
10:14 < Predator> I think so i did.Hey carly you said earlier : If  someone don't feel annoyed by my question.I can pm you and you'll answer it ....how do i pm you?
10:14 < GorillaWarfare> addihockey10: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpCJzdWxEbQ
10:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure pm me all you like
10:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont expect much out of it
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10:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont pm me too hard though I am fragile
10:15 < Carly> Predator I am not available to answer questions such like that
10:15 < GorillaWarfare> ...
10:15 < Carly> I am busy atm too,sorry
10:16 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: please simmer down.
10:16 < Predator> <ToAruShiroiNeko> : Am not stupid.I know what you mean you perv. To the rest :Are you guys computer nerds? From top universities around the world?
10:16 < Revent> Hey Predator? http://bit.ly/14JEj8C
10:16 < Predator> Revent : what 's that?
10:16 < Revent> a link....
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10:17 < Revent> for you.
10:17 < Revent> to answer your question.
10:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you do?
10:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pm is private message
10:17 < AlmostGrad> revent, what happened to the ips you reported yesterday?
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10:17 < Revent> *lol*
10:17 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.40.244.4] by QueenOfFrance
10:17 < AlmostGrad> can't see it there anymore
10:17 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o QueenOfFrance] by ChanServ
10:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> aw
10:17 < Revent> That page expired...
10:18 < Revent> Go look at the revision history on SubEx.
10:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he was just begining to be amusing in a horrible way :p
10:18 < TheDruId> Do you consider Yonsei University a top university?
10:18 < AlmostGrad> it was never attended to?
10:18 < Revent> Srsly. Like, right now. *heh*
10:18 < AlmostGrad> the vandalism was never addressed?
10:18 < Revent> the talk page, in particular.
10:18 < Revent> *go look at the revision history*
10:19 < AlmostGrad> i did, he doxed someone, i reported it. what does the history say>
10:19 < addihockey10> O
10:19 < addihockey10> GorillaWarfare: that was amazing
10:19 < GorillaWarfare> addihockey10: Right?
10:19 < Revent> Um, if you'll look you'll see they did a rollback on everyone of those socks.
10:19 < Bradford> o.o
10:19 < addihockey10> Except I forgot to put the optical drive back in
10:19 < Bradford> Carly:  porque lo echaron
10:19 < addihockey10> Well
10:20 < Revent> All those vandalism edits are deleted from the edit history
10:20 < addihockey10> I was too lazy to take apart what I had already done so far
10:20 < AlmostGrad> no they didn't
10:20 < QueenOfFrance> Bradford: can you please tell me what channel you're in?
10:20 < Revent> *if they missed some, it's in the works*
10:20 < Carly> Bradford why do you care?
10:20 < Carly> Gossip.
10:20 < Bradford> QueenOfFrance:  okay sorry
10:21 < Bradford> :|
10:21 < AlmostGrad> i still see the vandalism posts. the new section "a fresh perspective" was created by one of the vandals
10:21 < Revent> Wait, wth, its back now?
10:22 < Revent> Prob something to do with being able to see the ips or something (shrugs)
10:22 < AlmostGrad> the posts from 08:37 to 09:56 were all done by vandals
10:22 < a930913> Should I post about an epic bot idea on the technical pump, or is there a better place to put it?
10:22 < Revent> I know it was being taken care of...
10:23 < Carly> Bradford Lol
10:24 < AlmostGrad> Outing doesn't seem like a big deal then? He simultaneously outed someone on WP and reddit. When they did that previously, they continued editing as usual and were not penalized in any way.
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10:24 < AlmostGrad> the personal info was removed but the ip continued editing
10:24 < Revent> reddit is a totally different thing from here....
10:24 < AlmostGrad> i know
10:24 < AlmostGrad> that's just auxiliary info
10:25 < GorillaWarfare> a930913: Or just write it and ask for approval :P
10:25 < AlmostGrad> that they also outed her on reddit
10:25 < AlmostGrad> but i'm talking about WP
10:25 < AlmostGrad> done it twice on WP
10:26 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: Not that kind of a bot, it's a idea /for/ bots :)
10:26 < GorillaWarfare> What's the idea, OOC?
10:26 < Revent> (shrugs) tbh, partly it's a matter of how big a deal was/wasn't made
10:26 < Revent> *about it I mean*
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10:27 < Fluffernutter> AlmostGrad: has anyone pointed you to how to request Oversight attention to outing concerns, yet? [[Wikipedia:Oversight/FAQ]] tells you all about it
10:27 < a930913> GorillaWarfare: A cleanup service for bots to use.
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10:28 < AlmostGrad> No I know you have to report it to an admin
10:28 < AlmostGrad> !link
10:28 < Fluffernutter> no linkbot here, but it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight/FAQ
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10:31 < Carly> Hey CensoredBiscuit :)
10:31 < CensoredBiscuit> hey Carly
10:31 < Carly> :D
10:31 < edditer> will you please express your opinion on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Prerequisites_for_technical_articles suggestion?
10:32 < edditer> we've talked about it on this channel
10:32 < GorillaWarfare> AlmostGrad: It's typically better to just go ahead and talk to an oversighter, instead of going to an admin.
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10:35 < AlmostGrad> okay, thanks GorillaWarfare
10:35 < AlmostGrad> it's happening repeatedly so might as well know the shortest path
10:35 < GorillaWarfare> Anytime
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10:37 < Maple__> Herp.
10:38 < addihockey10> Derp
10:38 < AlmostGrad> i heard lot of people add it to their watchlist if it is discussed in this chatroom, so it would be good if lot of people watched this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Suburban_Express
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10:48 < CensoredBiscuit> feeling better Carly?
10:48 < TheDruId> AlmostGrad, could someone combine refs 3 & 12?
10:49 < Carly> CensoredBiscuit better while I can,in some minutes the hell will start again
10:49 < Carly> But thank you.
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10:52 < AlmostGrad> I can't edit the page anymore, it has full protection now, TheDruid. The refs are in bad shape and need to be written up properly. If it helps, this revision of the Streisand Effect article has many of the refs properly written up: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Streisand_effect&oldid=554229229
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10:52 < lookingfor> anyone can help me with a short text in english ?- english is not my first language....
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10:52 < AlmostGrad> i gtg but leave a msg on my talk page/email if you need anything
10:54 < TheDruId> lookingfor, do you have a linkable draft?
10:56 < Revent> kk
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11:02 < Carly> Lol
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11:07 < MJ94> addihockey10: http://youtu.be/InFtHY3DsRs
11:08 < addihockey10> MJ94 lol
11:08 < addihockey10> I want watermelon soap now
11:09 < MJ94> NOPE I WAS WRONG THIS IS A COMMERCIAL FOR FRUUUIT
11:09 < GorillaWarfare> o/ MJ94
11:10 < MJ94> hello GorillaWarfare !
11:10 < MJ94> http://youtu.be/InFtHY3DsRs
11:12 < GorillaWarfare> I'm at work
11:12 < Maple__> Who here wants some cookies?
11:13 < Pharos> i want real cookies
11:13 < Mdann52> That pinged me for some reason....
11:13 -!- Mdann52 is now known as Cookies52
11:13 < Cookies52> Ha
11:14 < TheDruId> Cookies52, thanks, now I'm hungry.
11:14 < mareklug> Pharos you just reminded me of a musical composition by Annette Peakock from her X-Dreams album:  "Real and Defined Androgens"
11:14  * addihockey10 boots
11:14 < addihockey10> Work pl0x
11:14 < kelapstick> cookes? That's a good idea
11:14 < Cookies52> ?
11:15  * Maple__ sudo rm -rf /'s addihockey10's computer
11:15 < kelapstick> having cookies even...
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11:15  * Maple__ laughs evilly
11:15 < mareklug> Pharos http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1nGYbrH-Hag
11:17 < SudoGhost> Did something just happen on Wikipedia with the gadgets and js, or is it just me?
11:17 < Cookies52> Nope
11:18 < Cookies52> Someone just moaned about it in -help
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11:18 < SudoGhost> Okay.  Not a big deal, just wanted to make sure it wasn't on my end.
11:19 < Cookies52> Nope
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11:19 < D_> Is jav- oh, I see
11:20 < GorillaWarfare> What's happening?
11:20 < Pharos> we have a cookie gap
11:21 < mareklug> as well as a cookie credibility gap
11:21 < TheDruId> As long as there is no salt mine gap.
11:21 < Pharos> i have been promised cookies too many times to take such things lightly
11:22 < Cookies52> Why did I set cookies to ping me.....
11:22 < Pharos> the only thing i can promise now is free tacos and beer
11:22 < mareklug> I expected that to end more like: I have been promised cookied too many times to take such things with any credulity
11:22 < kelapstick> where do we sign up for the free tacos and beer?
11:22 < Carly> Lol
11:23  * Carly brings Hot Dogs
11:23 < mareklug> kelapstick I believe the requirement involves travel to Brooklyn
11:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare so where would we stay on the ISS/
11:23 < Pharos> it's in manhattan tonight
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11:23 < Pharos> special taco deal
11:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I get clustrophobic so I will make sure they keep the windows open
11:23 < SudoGhost> kelapstick: Use Taco to stop unwanted cookies.
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11:24 < SudoGhost> :::::::This is the last time I'm going to ask you: if you truly believe that I am doing these things, then take it to [[WP:ANI]].  Otherwise, your own behavior is destroying any credibility for those claims.  Take it to [[WP:ANI]], or drop it.
11:24 < SudoGhost> :::::::As for the content: such a quote, if quotes were needed, would be wonderful for a "controvery" or "reception" section to address the displeasure at this individual being "Mandarin", since that quote is not about the actor, it's about controversy surrounding the character.  When almost all of a section is quotes they stop becoming "supporting quotes" and become [[WP:QUOTEFARM|the content itself]], and that's not okay. - ~~~~
11:24 < mareklug> set your browser to accept tacos from third parties
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11:24 < kelapstick> hmmm, unfortunately I won't be able to make Manhattan...
11:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug third party tacos sounds like an invitation to disaster
11:24 < GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: Wherever Chris Hadfield is. I want to hang out with him.
11:25 < foks> He's presumably in Canada now.
11:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Canadian astronaut?
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11:25 < foks> He is.
11:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he is in russia I believe
11:25 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko speaking of third parties: "And what costume shall the poor girl wear /  To all tomorrow's parties"
11:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he entered russia without a visa
11:25 < GorillaWarfare> [[Chris Hadfield]]
11:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I heard the russian millitary aprihended him
11:26 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko wasn't he launched from Kazachstan?
11:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes
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11:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which isnt russia
11:26 < foks> Kazakhstan
11:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you shouldnt enter countries without going through customs first right :)
11:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Chris Hadfield is an illegal immigrant :p
11:27 < mareklug> foks http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazachstan
11:27 < Pharos> i don't believe the polish have a say in the matter
11:27 < mareklug> it's a matter of transliteration, which is always arbitrary between cyrilic and roman
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11:27 < Pharos> no, there is ALWAYS a right answer
11:28 < mareklug> Pharos there are 100s of thousands of Poles in Kazachstan
11:28 < foks> poor poles
11:28 < mareklug> theye got there thanks to uncle stalin
11:28 < foks> all the money is in the UK and the conservatory-building business
11:28 < addihockey10> Hey foka
11:28 < addihockey10> Foks
11:28 < Pharos> aren't they all in ireland now?
11:28 < foks> one in every ten people in my city are polish
11:28 < mareklug> Pharos those are different Poles.
11:29 < foks> apparently
11:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug stalin would have been a great travel agent
11:29 < mareklug> Pharos you know the drill:  for Jews there are O and S Jews.  For Poles likewise
11:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he moved more people than all travel agents in the world combined
11:29 < CensoredBiscuit> is twinkle down?
11:29 < Pharos> the Poles in K can get Polish citizensip, no?
11:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos what about 50% poles?
11:30 < Pharos> a think all the german there left
11:30 < mareklug> as a matter of fact, if you are a child of a Polish citizen you automagically are a Polish citizen
11:30 < mareklug> so lots of kazachs are Poles for that reason alone
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11:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug by law? thats cool!
11:30 < mareklug> by Polish law
11:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> most couontries arent so welcoming these days
11:30 < Pharos> can i be a pole?
11:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I for example am not considered south african :(
11:31 < Pharos> i think we left before the polish state
11:31 < mareklug> sure, you just have to be really good in a sport we care about, and the President will make you a pole ine 3 minutes.
11:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why 3 minutes?
11:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> does he have to chant a spell?
11:32 < Pharos> he likes to make a pretty dignature
11:32 < Pharos> *signature
11:32 < mareklug> there is certain red tape latency even for the president of Republic of Poland
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11:32  * ToAruShiroiNeko imagines polish president witha wizard hat chanting some magics
11:32 < IDoH> Hey
11:32 < Pharos> i demand to be a pole!
11:32  * TheDruId casts his own spells.
11:32 < mareklug> we already have various fruitcakes running to be prime minster, so reality is not far from that vision
11:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH I was dreaming about you dreaming about horses
11:33 < IDoH> Really, ToAruShiroiNeko.
11:33 < IDoH> ?
11:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> of course not
11:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not that creepy
11:33 < mareklug> IDoH he is not that meta
11:33 < IDoH> LOL
11:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
11:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH I was dreaming about mareklug dreaming you dreaming about horses
11:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> honestly
11:34 < IDoH> Doubt it
11:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he is THAT meta :p
11:34 < Pharos> i was dreaming about you dreaming about that
11:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos this isnt a dream?
11:34 < Pharos> it was kind of a boring dream
11:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if so can you make me have over 9000 dollars?
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11:35 < Pharos> i suggest you sell your soul. that should get you the collateral for a $9k loan.
11:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm?
11:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont have a soul
11:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was a tax deductavle donation to wikipedia
11:36 < mareklug> Pharos who buys used souls nowadays anyway
11:36 < Pharos> well, I'm not saying you have a $10,000 soul
11:36 < Pharos> but maybe $300
11:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was a discussion with jimbo actually
11:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> here
11:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh 2006?
11:37 < mareklug> Pharos if ToAruShiroiNeko were to be selling his soul on Ebay, he would have to use the Not working/for parts category
11:37 < TheDruId> Me, too.
11:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
11:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no
11:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I would have sold it on real estate
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11:37 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko you are just using fancy words to say you would sell it on a bridge
11:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I actually think I would rent it
11:39 < mareklug> Speaking of Kazachstan, this woman is Uzbek, and she is very good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrkmnvtiycY&list=PLF1069F7B59B9C657
11:39 < mareklug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevara%20Nazarkhan
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11:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Scores of people were killed across Syria Monday as the fighting took another dangerous turn with rebels targeting Hezbollah locations in Lebanon.
11:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what the?
11:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> assad isnt big enough of a problem?
11:42 < Pharos> well, hezb is fighting for assad
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11:42 < Bradford> ._.
11:42 < Pharos> more and more directly
11:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hezbollah is only fighting for the sake of it
11:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they would fight pebbles if they ran out of people
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11:42 < Pharos> this is not untrue
11:43 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko they eat the government soldiers alive.  talk about cannon fodder.
11:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think they kill first
11:44 < Pharos> a decent cannibal waits till they're dead first
11:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> someone without a heart is dead
11:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos not true, zombies dont wait for that
11:44 < a930913> mareklug: Cannon fodder would be using the soldiers as cannon fodder ;)
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11:44 < Pharos> zombies aren't decent
11:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are decently horrible
11:44 < mareklug> a930913 that is too canonical a usage for me.
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11:45 < Pharos> they lack the milk of human kindness
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11:45 < mareklug> even crop milk of flamingo kindness
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11:45 < a930913> But will Hamas use their long range missiles to fire /over/ Israel and into Syria?
11:45 < Pharos> no
11:45 < mareklug> a930913 you need lessons in geography
11:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 they dont have such a range
11:46  * AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 
11:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hamas only operates from gaza
11:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people confuse PRA with hamas
11:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gaza is the source of most of the problems in israel
11:46 < Fluffernutter> Thing, change the nick plz?
11:46 < Pharos> hezbollah has bigger and better missiles and is much closer
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11:46 < mareklug> no Hamas missile fell any further North than ssouthern suburbs of Tel Aviv-Jaffe
11:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos hezbollah is overrated
11:47 < a930913> mareklug: ToAruShiroiNeko: That's why I said /over/ ;)
11:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> their logo has an ak47, blah
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11:47 < Pharos> so does mozambique i think
11:47 < mareklug> a930913 they would need to subcontract with some capable Air Force to carry these missiles for them.
11:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cool terrorists use lasers in their logos
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11:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I can suggest FedEx to them
11:47 < Pharos> i would be surprised if any terrorist was that cool
11:47 < a930913> mareklug: Iran? :p
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11:48 < mareklug> a930913 Iran does not have a capable air force to even defend Iran.  please don't make cruel hoaxes.
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11:48 < Pharos> unless you count Anonymous types
11:50 < a930913> mareklug: The fun part about Hamas's missile range being pathetically small, is that when their missile falls short and kills people in Gaza, Israel gets the blame.
11:50 < Pharos> i'm starting a new terrorist outfit
11:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 israel is at fualt though
11:50 < Pharos> Evil Violent Insurgency League
11:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they dont send their citizens into gaza to be hit by the missles
11:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the nerve!
11:50 < mareklug> Hamas missiles is a sport, not a science.  It is basically a hobbist cottage industry.  These teenagers would be programmers and hackers in US.
11:50 < Pharos> this one will have lasers in the logo
11:50 < TheDruId> I want to be the leader of an anarchist movement...
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11:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug umm hackers dont build missles :p
11:51 < Revent> *chuckles* needs more redundancy and camelcase. :)
11:51  * a930913 trouts TheDruId.
11:51 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko sure they do
11:51 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko hackers hack.  missiles, refrigerator fans, model railroads.
11:51 < TheDruId> I want to fill a ppol with dry ice, so I can swim without getting wet.
11:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh in that sense
11:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes
11:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but they dont build them
11:51 < Revent> Like....EVil violent Insurgency league of eviL
11:51 < TheDruId> Sorry, *pool
11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hackers should hack other hackers one day
11:52 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko come on.  lots of hackers build rockets.  they are rocket hackers.
11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ok ok
11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there is one guy with a company for it
11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> spacex
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11:52 < a930913> ToAruShiroiNeko: #opisrael? Where the hackers tried to hack Israel and got hacked themselves? :p
11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont see why people dont complain about his rockets :p
11:53 < Revent> mareklug: http://www.the-rocketman.com/outhouse.html
11:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 israel is regularly hacked just like any government
11:53 < mareklug> for every spacex company there are literally hundreds of small time anonymous rocket hackers.  the ones in Gaza just put a finer point on it.
11:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug so gaza could be worlds leading space industry? ;D
11:53 < mareklug> indeed.  very talented talent.
11:53 < a930913> ToAruShiroiNeko: Yeah, but this was funny, because lots of people said they were going to hack Israel, and it was big news, but they failed pathetically and it backfired :D
11:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 these kiddies tend to hack websites and stuff
11:54 < Pharos> noone has hacked Tuvalu successfully yet
11:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> real hackers steal intelligence and no one knows about it
11:54 < a930913> mareklug: They're just making sugar candy rockets though.
11:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos many .tv domains were hacked
11:54 < Pharos> oh man!
11:54 < Pharos> there goes the perfect record
11:54 < Revent> None were in Tuvalu, tho :)
11:54 < Pharos> good point
11:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tuvalu doesnt even hosts its websites probably
11:55 < mareklug> Pharos tuvalu may soon become an ex-parrot.  the sea level is rising and tuvalu is kinda low country.
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11:55 < Revent> Last I heard they were like a single T1.
11:55 < Pharos> they'll be ok
11:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tuvalu may be the first nation to leave the UN permanantly then
11:55 < Pharos> they can conquer someplace else
11:55 < mareklug> another low country
11:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos probably gaza
11:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what could possibly go wrong with this plan?
11:56 < Pharos> good idea
11:56 < mareklug> at least Tuvalu has a working internatioinal airport
11:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug yes landing through downtown
11:56 < Pharos> they used to have "sea peoples"
11:56 < Pharos> who actually lived in gaza, many of them
11:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mermen?
11:56 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funafuti_International_Airport
11:57 < Pharos> no, weird pirate barbarians of 1200 bc
11:57 < Revent> *hrms* highest elevation 15'1"....
11:57 < Pharos> who menaced the eastern mediterranean and caused a dark age
11:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think pirates caused it
11:57 < mareklug> Pharos "The airport resides at an elevation of 9 feet (3 m) above mean sea level. It has one runway which is 1,524 metres (5,000 ft) in length.[1]"
11:57 < mareklug> I was not joking about the ex-parrot thing.  3 meters is not a lot of headroom for one's country.
11:57 < Revent> 15' is probably a tree or something. :P
11:57 < TheDruId> Until a lighthouse was built which put them out of business.
11:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pirates only cause golden ages
11:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if its on One Piece it must be true
11:58 < Pharos> we have some spare islands around
11:58 < Revent> "highest point: unnamed location"
11:58 < Pharos> the USA could lend them one
11:58 < Revent> The biggest hill in the country wasn't worth naming
11:59 < Pharos> the "country" has a population smaller than my high school did
11:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos not much of a high school then
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11:59 < mareklug> "funafuti" is a fun name to say.  It should be more popular.
12:00 < Pharos> i think the high school was like 3,000
12:00 < Revent> Yet.....there is a "Geography of Tuvalu" article...
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12:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whats the code for it mareklug?
12:00 < Revent> With 38 references, even...
12:00 < Pharos> not extraordinarily large even
12:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> FUT?
12:00 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko FUN
12:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fun? that sounds like an airport I dont want to go :p
12:00 < mareklug> and NGFU
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12:00 < mareklug> not greatly fucked up
12:01 < Pharos> if you like tis topic than i can rant on this:
12:01 < Pharos> the micronation articles kind of suck
12:01 < mareklug> with a runway of 1500 m you could land a 737 there and make it take off.
12:02 < Pharos> they take the concept way too seriously
12:02 < Pharos> and without context
12:02 < Revent> ^^ http://www.andalucia-travelguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/gibraltarrunway.jpg
12:02 < Pharos> probably because most of the editors in that subject are micronational "founders"
12:03 < Revent> This is the runway that's 'fun' to land at.
12:03 < Pharos> which is a fine enough hobby in itself
12:03 < mareklug> it has exactly one connection, to Suva, capital of Fiji.  From Fiji you can get anywhere, though, in 3 hops or less.
12:03 < Pharos> you can't get from Fiji to Pitcairn
12:03 < mareklug> does Pitcairn have an airport?
12:04 < Pharos> nope
12:04 < Pharos> you have to take the ship from peru to new zealand
12:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug fiji-tokyo direct line, make it happen!
12:04 < Fluffernutter> pitcairn has a cove that only local pilots can get a small boat through, basically. if I recall correctly.
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12:05 < mareklug> "Pitcairn Island does not have an airport or seaport;[38] the islanders rely on longboats to ferry people and goods between ship and shore through Bounty Bay. The island has one small harbour and launch ramp that is used to dock and load long-boats. Because it is small and the water is shallow, only small-craft can fit.[45]"
12:05 < Pharos> yes, the small boats meet and trade with the peru-NZ ships every 6 months i think
12:05 < mareklug> well, that does not count.
12:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why not use hovercrafts?
12:05  * Fluffernutter pats herself on the back for regurgitating the article so well from memory
12:05 < Revent> Cause sweat is free...
12:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter dont be, its normal for you
12:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> <3
12:06 < mareklug> if they ever get an airport while Tuvalu's is still above the sea level, it will then join the ranks of all the places where one can get from Fiji in 3 hops or less.
12:06 < Pharos> Fluffernutter: Pitcairn was a big topic at the last Free Culture NYC meeting :P
12:06 < Fluffernutter> ToAruShiroiNeko: if only i could remember useful things as efficiently as i remember useless ones
12:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug as in an aircraft carrier?
12:06 < TheDruId> I don't see any connections from Fiji to Alpha Centauri....
12:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Alpha Centauri?
12:06 < Pharos> i was frankly astonished by how many ppl there were equally obsessed with it for no particular reason :P
12:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Alpha Centauri, 1171 NE Ulysses Dr, Bend, OR
12:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId why do you want to go to orlando?
12:07 < mareklug> indeed.  Beta Centauri is far more interesting.  And Proxima Centauri is much closer.
12:07  * TheDruId does /not/ want to go to Orlando.
12:08 < mareklug> OR is not ORLANDO
12:08 < mareklug> and neither is Iowa Ohio
12:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oregon?
12:08 < mareklug> by the way, Shirik is from Bend
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12:09 < mareklug> we can send him to take a picture of this Ulysses Dr
12:09 < IShadowed> no?
12:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think its the road
12:10 < Revent> Actually, it's an ugly greenish house. :P
12:10 < Revent> 1171 NE Ulysses, I mean.
12:10 < mareklug> thank heaven for little google earths
12:10 < Revent> I mean, ewww.
12:10 < Revent> Nothing personal, but...what a color.
12:10 < mareklug> hey, it's bend.
12:10 < mareklug> Bend, I mean
12:11 < Revent> Point....the house I grew up in was taupe
12:11 < TheDruId> I like Idaho, but the greenery is replaced by brownery for many months of the year.
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12:14 < Revent> *ahems* Speaking of google earth....
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12:14 < Revent> The underage might want to avert their eyes.... :) (it's not that bad)
12:14 < Revent> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ca_1363464824
12:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId: http://imagebin.org/258361
12:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it has 2 garrages
12:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> one for the car, other for the spacecraft
12:16 < TheDruId> O.o
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12:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug and yes
12:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have been to iowa too
12:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> checked old emails
12:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was a new york to des monies flight with a connection to lansing
12:26 < mareklug> des monies is a fabulous typo for the capital city of Iowa, considering the abundance of insurance company hq there
12:27 < Maple__> \
12:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that may explain the weird stop
12:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> She was a sickly four year old, struggling with health problems. The Syrian civil war drove her family into a refugee camp but with the help of relief organizations, an Israeli hospital has given her vital heart surgery.
12:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so israelis dont eat syrian hearts?
12:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> go figure
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12:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> must be a syrian delicacy
12:28 < mareklug> revenge is a dish best served cold, they say
12:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> in syria haearts are served warm
12:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as fresh as it gets
12:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so syrian soldiers are heartless
12:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> because rebels keep eating them?
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12:30 < Revent> ToAruShiroiNeko: That was tasteless. :P
12:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> most human hearts are
12:30 < Revent> I'd have guessed porky.
12:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> more people would have liked anime otherwise
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12:31 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko oh look, even Indiana University has a petaflops computer http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/24183.html
12:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Big Red II?
12:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what a lame name
12:31 < Pharos> my little sister has a petaflops computer
12:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> iSuperCompute would have been my pick
12:32 < mareklug> your little sister probably has access to legoktm's computer
12:32 < Revent> *lol* do people actually think that display wall is the computer?
12:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I thought legoktm used an abacus to chat online?
12:33 < mareklug> Big Red is a moniker popular in them Hoosier parts.  Also, in Oklahoma.
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12:33 < TheDruId> Not since he got superpowers.
12:33 < Revent> *hint Expensive high-performance supercomputers don't have big rfi-producing fluorescent lights on the front.
12:34 < mareklug> Revent it appears to be the cabinets for the thing, yes.
12:34 < mareklug> http://newsinfo.iu.edu/pub/libs/images/usr/15356_h.jpg
12:34 < Pharos> yes they do
12:34 < Pharos> that makes them even more expensive
12:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or the spacecraft to point accurately, at least three reaction wheels are needed, corresponding to the three dimensions (up-down, north-south, east-west).
12:35 < Revent> Ok, yeah, in the better photo....it didn't even look like they were conditioned cabinets.
12:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what ahorrible article
12:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> kepler has no east-west
12:35 < mareklug> Revent actually the Connection Machine did have all kinds of blinking lights in color, which made it fun to visit Los Alamos
12:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or north south
12:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its in space
12:36 < TheDruId> Just retook the political compass test; still a radical libertarian.
12:36 < Revent> Really? like bit lights?
12:36 < Pharos> i'm still a radical conformist
12:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> congress should pass a law requiring super computers to have a futuristic LED dashboard
12:36 < TheDruId> Whoso would be a man must be a non-conformist.
12:37 < Revent> *honestly, that photo does look like the cabinets 'parked' in a open room, tho..
12:37 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko does this mean it is free license?  read the thing http://newsinfo.iu.edu/asset/page/normal/15356.html
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12:37 < mareklug> Revent they probably have plans for expansion or wfitting other crap in that airconditioned space
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12:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no
12:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> doesnt allow comercial use explicitly
12:38 < Revent> Ye, prob...just...not the 'aura' of the normal pics like that I see.
12:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also doesnt allow derivatives explicitly
12:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or free distribution
12:38 < Revent> If you know what I mean.
12:38 < mareklug> Revent http://www.digibarn.com/collections/parts/connection-machine-chip/cm2_small2.jpg
12:39 < Revent> Yes, bit lights. :)
12:39 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko but it looked that all they wanted was attribution and not tying IU to any claims.
12:39 < Revent> * I know that's not the 'real' name...
12:40 < elkng> if it says that 3% of the population are psychopaths, can you imagine how many articles on the wikipedia was written by psychopaths ?
12:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure, but wikipedia needs these issues properly mentioned otherwise we assume the contrary
12:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you cant assume anything with copyrights unless explicity stated
12:40 < Pharos> supercomputers should be in the shape of megafauna
12:40 < Pharos> it makes sense
12:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they may add this detail if emailed maybe
12:41 < Revent> The *default assumption* anywhere is that everything is copyrighted....that's the 'legal' way it works.
12:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
12:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its the safe route
12:41 < Pharos> copyright is theft
12:42 < Revent> In the US? Any 'work' is automatically copyrighted unless you specifically release it.
12:42 < Revent> You con't have to 'register' or claim it or anything.
12:42 < Revent> *don't
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12:42 < Revent> Even trivial things, technically.
12:42 < Qcoder00> Much as registration would solve problems with orphan works
12:42 < Revent> Ye...
12:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Revent load the page before talking
12:43 < TheDruId> All of my work fell under public domain instantly, as product of the federal government.
12:43 < Fradeb2000> hallo
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12:43 < Revent> Pardon, TASN? Load what page?
12:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah
12:43 < Pharos> is it appropriate for radica;l libertarians to be federal employees?
12:44 < Qcoder00> Copyright reform also needs to establish a 'common responsible party' for massive collobratively contributed work
12:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko>  we were discussing a text written on a page, weather it counts as free
12:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://newsinfo.iu.edu/asset/page/normal/15356.html
12:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think it is enough
12:44 < Revent> I'd be more than happy to point you at the Copyright Office FAQ where they discuss registration.
12:44 < Revent> (and the lack of needing it)
12:44 < Qcoder00> I.E For a MASSIVE work like Wikipedia, copyright needs to recognise the right of the WMF to act as though it were the copyright holder , as it's the representitive body of the entire Wikimedia community
12:45 < Revent> Yup...and you explicitly release anything you write on WP.
12:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> WMF can barely represent a snail
12:45 < Qcoder00> (in that respect the WMF isn't different from a collecting society)
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12:45 < Fradeb2000> do we know a wisecrack?
12:45 < Revent> The 'release' it right at the top of the edit window.
12:45 < Revent> *is
12:46 < Qcoder00> Having that in copyright law would let the WMF  'torture'  violators :)
12:46 < Qcoder00> XD
12:46 < Qcoder00> possibly by getting someone to "talk" at them for ever
12:46 < TheDruId> Qcoder00, it already blocks, bans, and labels them trolls.
12:46 < Qcoder00> This isn't about violator ON wikipedia...
12:47 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: why?
12:47 < Qcoder00> It's about rip-off leechers
12:47 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: DMCA takendowns exist
12:47 < Qcoder00> True
12:47 < Ironholds> if someone does not obey them, they can be forced against the ISP instead, who will promptly yank their hosting
12:47 < Ironholds> I know this, because I've done it, as a volunteer.
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12:47 < Qcoder00> On behalf of content that wasn't yours but was nominally WMF hosted?
12:48 < Ironholds> no, but if you see content that isn't yours you can bring it to the attention of whoever it is.
12:48 < Ironholds> it's called a history page.
12:48 < Revent> BTW, "Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. "
12:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> WICKED (Wikipedia Incentive Copyrights Knowledge Exceptions Delusions) act act
12:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 something like that?
12:48 < Qcoder00> Something liek that
12:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> actual title may be different
12:49 < Qcoder00> Ironholds:  I was trying to argue that the WMF should be able to persue violaters of 'any' honestly licensed content on a WMF project..
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12:50 < Qcoder00> even if the content isn't directly WMF created...
12:50 < Qcoder00> Hence my comment about collecting societies
12:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Congress Respons on Wikipedia (CROW)
12:51 < Revent> *FWIW TASN, I just realize that 'the page' you were talking about copyright on was the 'same' page as the supercomputer convo....slow today I guess.
12:51 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: are you kidding me? we can't do that unless we take on, either solely or jointly, copyrights and responsibilities.
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12:51 < Ironholds> and I doubt we have any issue in that role.
12:52 < Qcoder00> Currently contributors own their contributions...
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12:52 < Ironholds> correct.
12:52 < Qcoder00> but license as GFDL..
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12:52 < Qcoder00> or CC-BY-SA etc...
12:52 < Ironholds> yes.
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12:52 < Qcoder00> However, to issue a takedown, requires that the copyright holder files it...
12:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Revent tis ok :)
12:53 < mareklug> Ironholds ToAruShiroiNeko Qcoder00 http://pastebin.com/uHQwkgcB
12:53 < Qcoder00> I am saying that WMF should be allowed to act collectively on behalf of the wntire community
12:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you were just telling me things I enforce already :p
12:53 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: and I am saying we shouldn't and won't.
12:53 < Ironholds> why does the community licensing have any impact on who can file takedowns/
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12:53 < Revent> Ye, caught that it wasn't a 'general' statement...eventually.
12:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug looks good
12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you need to run that trhough OTRS probably
12:54 < Qcoder00> A single Wikipedia contributor does not necessarily have the funds to take on some violators...
12:54 < Qcoder00> A larger body like the WMF might
12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 we have people like newyorkbard
12:54 < Qcoder00> especially it got a lot of complaints
12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *brad
12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whom wouldnt wory about lawyer fees
12:54 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: DMCA takedowns do not require money.
12:54 < Qcoder00> Iornholds: I can understand your (and thusly the WMF view)
12:55 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko not neccesarily.  if they slap a cc license info on the page and if I converted them on doing it by habit from now on, we win.
12:55 < Ironholds> yes, they can be appealed or rejected.
12:55 < Ironholds> I've yet to see this happen
12:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug sure
12:55 < Qcoder00> Iornholds : OK OK
12:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but I would run it through OTRS anyways in case they decide to change the license :p
12:55 < Qcoder00> It started out as a comment that Copyright reform needed to consider who owned massively contributed works...
12:55 < Koi> Anyone in OKC here?
12:55 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: the individual contributors.
12:56 < Koi> probably should take cover in Moore/Norman/southern OKC
12:56 < Ironholds> simple. And reasonable.
12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 copyright reform would need ice cream
12:56 < Koi> Tornado in OKC on the ground :)
12:56 < NotASpy> I'm in favour of ice cream, ToAruShiroiNeko, what size of ice cream cone are you buying me ?
12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi edit protect OKC
12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I am not
12:56 < Koi> O.o
12:56 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: wat?
12:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a government subsidiary
12:57 < Koi> that is going to be a bad tornado people... in OKC take cover.
12:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi edit protect so tornado doesnt damage it
12:57 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: Indeed it is reasonable,  but it is my view that certain large collab projects should have the ability to act on a 'per community' basis as holder of the collab work, as well as the individual contributors...
12:57 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: stfu :P
12:57 < Qcoder00> In the case of Commons images this would be the WMF
12:57 < edditer> Qcoder00: i'm afraid i still didn't understand why your template can't be accessed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Prerequisites_for_technical_articles
12:57 < Qcoder00> (or maybe chapters)
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12:58 < Qcoder00> edditer:  I updated the link earlier...
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12:58 < Qcoder00> It should be readable
12:58 < Koi> large tornado with power flashes heading for Moore/Norman OK south of OKC.
12:59 < Qcoder00> Some collab projects require a copyright assignment, I think GNU does...
12:59 < Qcoder00> Precisely so that the 'project'can act on behalf of it's membership
12:59 < Qcoder00> I am not saying this is something the WMF should do though
12:59 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: okay. that's your view. they can have that ability.
12:59 < Ironholds> there is no legal change required for that to be possible.
13:00 < Qcoder00> I might raise this somwehere appropriate...
13:00 < Qcoder00> Village Pump maybe?
13:00 < NotASpy> what's the proposal Qcoder00 ?
13:00 < Qcoder00> It's more a disscusion
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13:01 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: we're not going to do it, ergo it's probably not business for wikipedia.
13:01 < edditer> Qcoder00: oh, thank you
13:01 < Ironholds> but again; such a mechanism exists
13:01 < Ironholds> it's called /licensing/
13:01 < Qcoder00> Can the WMF directly issue a takedown for content that's licensed to Wikipedia?
13:02 < Qcoder00> (even though it's NOT nominally the author)
13:02 < NotASpy> ah yes, I see.
13:02 < Qcoder00> That's my point
13:02 < NotASpy> Qcoder00: little content is licenced TO Wikipedia though.
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13:03 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: no. no we cannot.
13:03 < Ironholds> us doing so /would not require a legal change/
13:03 < Koi> THIS IS A TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR MOORE AND SOUTH OKLAHOMA CITY.
13:03 < NotASpy> none of the stuff I release under a CC-BY-SA licence is explicitly licenced to WMF.
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13:03 < Ironholds> I want to make that clear; the existing legal infrastructure makes that possible.
13:03 < Koi> O.o why did that go in caps.
13:03  * Koi slaps client.
13:03 < Ironholds> what would need to change is our license. that's all.
13:04 < Ironholds> NotASpy: this is deliberate
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13:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi no tornados here in brussles
13:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its too boring even for tornados
13:04  * NotASpy saw a Tornado today.
13:05 < Koi> http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/
13:05 < Koi> this is bad...
13:05  * a930913 wonders if CBNG is down.
13:05 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: Thank you
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13:06 < Qcoder00> My next question,  What changes would be needed so that the WMF can persue violations of Wikipedia content independently?
13:07 < Qcoder00> And importantly would those changes gain community support?
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13:07 < TheDruId> Why would they need to? There's no profit motive.
13:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi that sucks!
13:08 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: This is the Moore 1999 tornado all over again.
13:08 < Qcoder00> TheDruid:  Do you like the idea of leechers making money on unattributed Wikipedia content?
13:09 < Qcoder00> (OK I think I am getting into straw men territory here)
13:09 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: Thanks
13:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do people live there Koi?
13:09 < TheDruId> Qcoder00, unattributed, no, but they're free to with attributed, so a simple request and reminder should be fine.
13:09 < Koi> Because idk But srsly.
13:09 < Koi> This is just... Pray for anyone there....
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13:13 < Fyre> Holy fuck, 2 hours waiting times at the canadian customs!
13:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fyre dont complain, enjoy the maple syrup
13:13 < TheDruId> ...in other news, Justin Bieber wants to be taken seriously. ?!Seriously?
13:13 < Fyre> ToAruShiroiNeko: i have a magical card that will cut that time to 30 seconds sort :)
13:14 < harej> Fyre, if you're taking Amtrak that's normal
13:14 < Fyre> harej: nope, by car.
13:14 < mareklug> Fyre as long as the canadian police does not taser you, you have no worries
13:14 < Fyre> good idea :}
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13:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
13:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tasers?
13:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> canadians use tasers?
13:15 < Fyre> i'm just filling on food and then i'll take the NEXUS lane :)
13:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont anyone surrender with the promise of maple syrup?
13:15 < Bradford> ._.
13:15 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dziekański_Taser_incident
13:16 < Fyre> see this :)
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13:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> He was tasered five times[4] by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) at the Vancouver International Airport in Richmond, British Columbia.
13:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why is the mounted police in the airport?!
13:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt they have to unmount?
13:17 < mareklug> like American Cheese, it is an oxymoron
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13:17 < Fyre> ToAruShiroiNeko: in a international airport, it's considered federal territory
13:17 < kelapstick> they park their horses outside
13:17 < BlastHardcheese> they were mounted on scooters obviously
13:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fyre sure but how do you get a horse inside an airport?
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13:17 < BlastHardcheese> carefully
13:17 < Fyre> fold it.
13:17 < mareklug> they were mounted on their giant pricks of tasers, obviously
13:18 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko they make ponies just for airport duty
13:18 < mareklug> they are called duty-free ponies
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13:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> DFPs?
13:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cool!
13:18 < BlastHardcheese> hehheh you said doody
13:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I would have went with MapLe Ponies
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13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug mile and a quarter wide debris?
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 1.25 miles?
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 kilometers?
13:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi why the fuck anyone live there?
13:21 < Koi> This is bad...
13:21 < Fyre> this just in
13:21 < Koi> Seriously, idgas what religion you are, pray to WHOMEVER that they're okay.
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13:21 < Koi> 1+ mile wide wedge tornado EF4-5 strength heading RIGHT for Moore OK.
13:21 < Fyre> national weather services issue a rare tornado emergency for Oklahoma City
13:22 < Koi> Rain/debris-wrapped large wedge tornado.
13:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fyre just in time to be incompetent?
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13:22 < Koi> 2mi wide debris ball.
13:22 < Koi> crossing the interstate right now.
13:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its crossing i35?
13:23 < Koi> holy shit that's bad.
13:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 kilometers
13:23 < Koi> yes... turn to TWC
13:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am
13:23 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: its 2 MILES wide now.
13:23 < Koi> not 2 KM
13:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2.25 miles?!
13:23 < Koi> yeah, this sucks.
13:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 3.6 kilometers?
13:23 < Koi> NWS in Norman is hunkered down most likely.
13:23 < NotASpy> oh dear, the Americans don't like their tornados being measured in metric, do they, ToAruShiroiNeko
13:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi it sucks indeed
13:24 < Koi> NotASpy: lol.
13:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I only understand metric
13:24 < Koi> "...THIS IS A TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR MOORE AND SOUTH OKLAHOMA CITY..."
13:24 < Koi> That thing is fucking huge.
13:24 < Koi> That looks like a MOUNTAIN, not a tornado.
13:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I dont think people get their warnings from here
13:24 < Koi> I'm almost in tears... this sucks horribly..
13:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi just help with recovery
13:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do they not cut the power?
13:24 < Koi> I may do such....
13:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> seriously
13:25 < Koi> Because then people can't get information!
13:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> do they enjoy fires?
13:25 < NotASpy> better with one of these. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado
13:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> radios work without power
13:25 < Koi> a ton of people get their info from internet streaming or TV
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13:25 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: Weather radios do. Others, not really...
13:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi the neighbourhood the tornado is passing through shouldnt have power IMHO
13:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they probably cant cut power selectively though
13:26 < Koi> They NEED to have the power to allow anyone NOT in a shelter to get into one after getting the info.
13:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi more people may die due to fires maybe :/
13:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I suppose fires arent an issue with tornados
13:26 < TheDruId> They also risk disconnecting power to those on medical systems which rely on it.
13:27 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: Not really...
13:27 < Koi> TheDruId: ++
13:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId the power will die either way.
13:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> underground powerlines is a solution though
13:27 < Solarra> ToAruShiroiNeko: hai :-)
13:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> o hai Solarra
13:27 < TheDruId> ToAruShiroiNeko, If you're psychic, sure.
13:28 < Qcoder00> 2 mile wide debris ball from a Tornado?
13:28 < Qcoder00> WhoaH!
13:29 < Qcoder00> Any news links?
13:29 < Koi> 35 looks like shit right now.
13:29 < Koi> Qcoder00: http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/
13:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pilot isnt having a good day Koi
13:29 < Koi> still have tons of power flashes....
13:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> shouldnt he hide his adress :p
13:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> proposed lake is having a makeover
13:30 < Koi> they lost the pilot's signal.
13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> moore high school is no more
13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi happens in wireless transmissions
13:30 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: could you be a little more respectful? and that is getting EVEN bigger now.
13:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I am not joking
13:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I cant imagine the destruction
13:31 < Koi> It is going to be horrible.
13:31 < Koi> EF5.... in all honesty it's unlikely to be less.
13:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It is horrible aleady
13:31 < Koi> Tornado is getting tighter (i.e. faster)
13:32 < Qcoder00> Anyone know who the NPR affiliate in the region is?
13:32 < Koi> "So big it doesn't look like a tornado"
13:33 < Qcoder00> KGOU has live coverage
13:34 < Koi> KFOR does too.
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13:34 < Koi> KFOR is the best weather coverage in OKC
13:34 < Koi> tornado looks to be narrower but faster.
13:35 < TheDruId> KOSU, KGOU, KCSC according to NPR website.
13:35 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: ITN this now.
13:35 < Koi> TheDruId: NPR sux0rz doe :(
13:35 < Koi> for weatehr at least.
13:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I can't
13:35 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: porque no?
13:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its not even on cnn yet
13:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no one would approve it just yet
13:36 < Koi> it's roping out.
13:36 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: Its hell all over CNN
13:36 < Koi> tornado roping out. It's over for now.
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13:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://edition.cnn.com/
13:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not seeing it
13:37 < BlastHardcheese> did anyone white die yet, otherwise it's not news
13:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you are getting local news
13:38 < Koi> http://www.cnn.com/
13:38 < Koi> BlastHardcheese: I guarantee you people died.
13:38 < Koi> http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/20/us/severe-weather/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
13:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I dont see it, you get local news
13:38 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: No I don't,, I'm not in OKC or anywhere near...
13:38 < Qcoder00> KGOU saying some large hailstones possible in some areas.
13:38 < Koi> look at the homepage ToAruShiroiNeko
13:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am
13:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> all I see is syria
13:39 < Koi> nobody careas if it's on the Intenational version.
13:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> your home page and mine are different
13:39 < Koi> CNN's international version doesn't cover US things.
13:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> koi it does if important enough
13:39 < Koi> only if obama is involved though.
13:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
13:40 < Koi> It's cnn, their bias is horrible.
13:40 < mareklug> Koi as opposed to whose reporting?
13:40 < Koi> mareklug: idk, everyones bias is horrible.
13:41 < kelapstick> it's not on CNN front page international but is on http://edition.cnn.com/US/
13:41 < Koi> kelapstick is what  i told them!
13:41 < kelapstick> yes but you didn't like to the US edition
13:41 < Koi> I did too..
13:41 < Koi> http://us.cnn.com/?hpt=ed_US
13:42 < kelapstick> not your first link
13:42 < TheDruId> I rely on the BBC for impartial coverage about events in the US.
13:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I dont care, ITN people will probably complain
13:42 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: let them complain, and ell them they're heartless bastards.
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13:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> koi they do this regularly
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13:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 20 pakistanis getting summary executions? not notable enough
13:43 < Koi> Do you SEE the images, i35 is totaled with cars.
13:43 < kelapstick> TheDruId http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22593138
13:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I see it but I dont count
13:44 < Koi> oh my god.
13:44 < Koi> hundreds of houses literally gone.
13:44 < Koi> literally. GONE. completely.
13:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which is probably why the tornado died so quickly?
13:45 < Koi> er, no?
13:45 < Koi> Tornadoes are not impacted by debris?
13:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> friction must have an impact in slowing it down I'd imagine :/
13:45 < Koi> Nope.
13:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it costs energy to shred a house
13:46 < Koi> Tornadoes are impacted by shear in the upper atmosphere, that's how they're formed, etc, not by debris.
13:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
13:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I sppose
13:46 < Koi> oh my....... that high school is gone. literally whole BLOCKS are gone.
13:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I told you
13:47 < BlastHardcheese> boom goes the dynamite
13:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BlastHardcheese shut the fuck up for once?
13:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you dont always have to troll
13:48 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko++
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13:53 < TheDruId> Tornados are impacted by debris, but the effect is negligible compared to the amount of energy involved, like with most natural disasters.
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13:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> on a semi related note
13:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whenever I see a tornado video I think of jupiter
13:56 < Koi> TheDruId: lrn to spl tornadoEs pls
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13:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> exactly fire
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13:56 < TheDruId> no E.
13:57 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: that's a gas fire, that'd happen with ANYTHING.
13:57 < Koi> that happens with EARTHQUAKES for petes sake...
13:57 < TheDruId> http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/man-claimed-years-ohio-state-american-tight-end-191626603.html this was hoaxing in Wikipedia recently.
13:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi sure
13:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why is it allowed on a tornado zone?
13:58 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: tornadoes happen everywhere... Italy, Germany, China, etc. even.
13:58 < TheDruId> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tornado
13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi no
13:58 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: Yes, actually.
13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not like the US
13:58 < Koi> They do.
13:59 < Koi> There have been EF3-5 tornadoes in almost everywhere on Earth.
13:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I never seen a tornado in italy
13:59 < Koi> They happen.
13:59 < Lnmow> http://www.francetvinfo.fr/video-trois-tornades-balaient-le-nord-de-l-italie_317337.html
14:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I never heard of a 2km wide tornado over anywhere but the US
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14:01 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: They happen.
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14:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they dont do the same damage
14:02 < Koi> ...
14:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are mountains and stuff in the way
14:02 < Koi> They do though.
14:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I havent heard of it in a lifetime
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14:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_tornadoes_in_2012
14:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing that powerful
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14:03 < edditer> Qcoder00: in the syntax you used, what generates the string "this article"?
14:04 < Qcoder00> {{PAGENAME}}
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14:04 < Qcoder00> I'm using ambox
14:04 < Bradford> ._.
14:04 < edditer> Qcoder00: i thought that one showed the page name only, not the *literal* "this article"
14:04 < edditer> (preceding the title)
14:04 < Qcoder00> "This article" is generated by ambox
14:04 < Qcoder00> :)
14:04 < edditer> oh
14:04 < edditer> let me check that out
14:04 < Qcoder00> Sorry got confused
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14:06 < edditer> i'm not much into templates; so your template uses another template :)
14:06 < Koi> "AT 355 PM CDT...A TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR AVANT...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 45 MPH. INDICATIONS ARE THIS COULD BECOME A LARGE TORNADO! THIS IS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION!" happening again for north of tulsa..
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14:08 < a930913> Stop talking about tornadoes, I want to see most of the Conservatives move to UKIP. :D
14:08 < Koi> a930913: This is -en, not -en-noweathernerds
14:08 < NotASpy> I trust Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt are bout.
14:09 < NotASpy> a930913: I want to see most of the Conservatives fuck off to another planet.
14:09 < TheDruId> Ha! The diagnosis lingered through the second-half of the 50th century...
14:09 < Ironholds> NotASpy: we tried that; none of the other bodies would have them
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14:10 < TheDruId> http://news.yahoo.com/photos/madness-no-longer-slideshow/#crsl=%252Flightbox%252Fmadness-no-longer-1368133422-slideshow%252Ffemale-hysteria-photo--1961843513.html
14:11 < NotASpy> Ironholds: I bet a fair few choked on their British Porridge this morning - leaving the EU will make you poor and ruin your business - that's head exploding stuff for the swivel eyed loons.
14:11 < Ironholds> NotASpy: I won't miss any of em ;p
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14:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people really hide in closets?
14:13 < BlastHardcheese> haven't you heard of "being in the closet"
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14:15 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: how else would you get to Narnia. Idiot.
14:15 < TheDruId> Wherever in the structure is most internal, such as the space my water heater is in.
14:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if the roof is gone what differene does it make?
14:17 < Koi> "AT 408 PM CDT...A LARGE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR VERA...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH. THIS LIFE THREATENING TORNADO IS CAPABLE OF EXTREME DAMAGE! A LARGE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TORNADO IS ON THE GROUND! THIS IS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION!" <--- North of Tulsa, happening again.
14:17 < Ironholds> Koi: love of god, caps lock is /not/ cruise control for awesome
14:17 < Ironholds> to steal an excellent line
14:17 < Koi> Ironholds: it's not me.
14:18 < Koi> Ironholds: blame the NWS..
14:18 < Koi> http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=oun&wwa=tornado%20warning
14:18 < Ironholds> really? someone else comes by your machine and pastes it into your IRC client?
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14:18 < Matthew_> Ironholds: NWS always does caps, they're just that awesome :P
14:18 < Ironholds> or do you mean "I manually retrieve the information and paste it in this channel after several people ask me not to and can't be arsed to type it out in a less disruptive way"
14:18 < Koi> Ironholds: erm, I don't reember being asked to stop using caps when it's not even me but ok.
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14:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi you can use ms word to fix it
14:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just a thought
14:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also there is little reason to report it here
14:19 < Koi> so you'd rather me spend 10000 minutes fixing it than just paste it?
14:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 226 people on channel are mostly not even in the US
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14:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> koi it would take you 5-10 seocnd at most
14:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> with 3-4 additional clicks
14:20 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: im not magicly fast.
14:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jacktown?
14:21 < a930913> Koi: Make a bot to report to ##weather-usa
14:21 < Koi> is that a channel?
14:22 < Matthew_> Channel doesn't exist
14:22  * Koi made it :P
14:22 < a930913> That's because you're not in it ;)
14:22 < Koi> who can make a bot to read a RSS feed and report it.
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14:23 < a930913> Koi: Google can.
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14:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I can but I am rather busy
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14:23 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'd think it wouldn't be too hard :
14:23 < Koi> :(
14:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am temted to create a bot for weather and earthquakes
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14:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi I am busy with other tasks
14:24 < NotASpy> Koi: copy and paste into something like Word that lets you change all the text to lower case, then delete it and don't bother pasting it in here.
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14:24 < Koi> ToAruShiroiNeko: ok
14:24 < Koi> NotASpy: futoo
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14:25 < Koi> here's a CAP feed if anyone likes bots :) http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/us.php?x=0
14:25 < NotASpy> Koi: I don't want the weather in Japan any more than I want the weather from Oklahoma.
14:25 < a930913> Koi: If you make a script that prints to stdout, I can throw it onto my irccat.
14:25 < NotASpy> if it's not covered vaguely by the shipping forecast, I don't really give more than a passing toss.
14:25 < Koi> hmmph
14:25 < Koi> I cant script.
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14:25 < Koi> a930913: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/rss2irc
14:26 < Koi> http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/us.php?x=0 <--- theres a CAP feed.
14:26 < Koi> *ATOM feed sorry
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14:27 < a930913> Koi: That does it all for you, what do you need me for?
14:27 < Koi> Running it? I don't know how to run that :P
14:27 < NotASpy> Start > Run > http://hackage.haskell.org/package/rss2irc.exe, of course.
14:28 < a930913> Koi: Just run "rss2irc http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/us.php?x=0 KoiBot@irc.freenode.org/##weather-usa"
14:28 < Koi> a930913: I'm on cloud.
14:28 < Koi> oh.
14:28 < Koi> i think I get this.
14:29 < a930913> Koi: Is that a euphamism for high?
14:29 < Koi> a930913: lolno
14:30 < Koi> a930913: er, I can't run that.
14:30 < Koi> do I have to download something?
14:30 < Koi> can't someone do it for me :(
14:30  * Koi is stupid :(
14:30 < a930913> Koi: Downloading rss2irc would probably be useful.
14:30 < Koi> a930913: grrr I'll give you a strawberry if you do it for me
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14:31 < Koi> but make the channel ##nws-feed
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14:31 < a930913> Koi: Make me an account.
14:31 < a930913> Koi: So I can SSH in.
14:31 < Koi> Koi: on IRC?
14:31 < Koi> an account where?
14:32 < a930913> Koi: Wherever you want to run the bot.
14:32 < Koi> a930913: I don't have a server.
14:32 < Koi> I thought YOU did.
14:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a930913 he isnt that computer litterate to set up an SSH :p
14:32 < Koi> I'm really not...
14:32 < a930913> Koi: Well what computer are you using now?
14:32 < Koi> windows 7 dell XPS 13
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14:33 < Koi> I can ping Flizzy when he gets back.
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14:35 < NotASpy> Koi: what languages can you code in ?
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14:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi seems like death count will be very high
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14:35 < Koi> NotASpy: English and not anything computery.
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14:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi a lot of 3rd graders are being "pulled out"
14:37 < Koi> I realize that.
14:37 < TheDruId> On my way out. See you all some other day. :D
14:37 < NotASpy> tara
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14:42 < a930913> Well, I can't find a windoze friendly rss-irc bot.
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14:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 75 people kids possibly dead?
14:44 < Carly> I was watching some news of Syris
14:44 < Carly> Syria :(
14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this is in the US
14:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tornado destorys and elementary school
14:45 < David_Stevenson> !admin please protect http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bialik_College&action=history
14:45 < SerajewelKS> looking
14:45 < Carly> I am worried about the Tornado,but mainly in.Syria
14:45 < Carly> The war :(
14:45 < David_Stevenson> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bialik_College&diff=556010283&oldid=555941321  -_-
14:46 < SerajewelKS> David_Stevenson: it looks like one user and two IPs, can those just be blocked?
14:47 < NotASpy> David_Stevenson: no chance, no edits in 8 hours.
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14:47 < SerajewelKS> the bulk of the vandalism is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/137.147.87.178
14:48 < SerajewelKS> he only received one automated warning, whoever reverted the vandalism did not do a good job warning him
14:48 < SerajewelKS> but if it starts back up it will probably be from this one IP
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14:48 < SerajewelKS> protection is not necessary
14:48 < Peter-C> Sweet
14:49 < Peter-C> Someone parked in the middle of the main street in my town
14:49 < Peter-C> And left
14:49 < Carly> Lol
14:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C thats cool
14:50 < Koi> Who's a Checkuser on enwp that wants to check a block?
14:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> half should be towed north other half south
14:50 < David_Stevenson> um, no, there was unwanted edits coming from 137.147.87.178, 122.107.212.31, 101.119.26.111, Silvea12, 101.119.26.82, 101.119.27.5, 49.176.40.9 and Krakheadmgee
14:50 < David_Stevenson> all since May 19
14:50 < Carly> Yes even thee is people that eat cakes and hot dogs in the middle of a class
14:50 < Carly> Xd
14:50 < Carly> There*
14:51 < Koi> !checkuser is that a stalkword? #wikipedia-en-help block review pls
14:52 < NotASpy> David_Stevenson: I've put pending changes on, see if that keeps the vandals away.
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14:54 < Koi> !checkuser pls help
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14:55 < Koi> someone
14:55 < Koi> !checkuser
14:56 < NotASpy> Koi: nobody stalks that any more.
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14:56 < JohnLewis> Koi: You'll have to contact a checkuser.
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14:57 < Celebi> !checkuser pls #wikipedia-en-help
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15:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Koi bodies probably showered into that lake
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15:09 < Qcoder00> Speaking of tornadoes, Which Wikipedia article?
15:09 < Qcoder00> Or does WP:TOOSOON Apply?
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15:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 I think there is info out there but its not reliable
15:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a parents phone call is not a reliable source
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15:20  * AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH eats a burger with a 1/3 pound patty, a chicken breast, 2 thick strips of bacon, pastrami, and 3 kinds of cheese.
15:20 < Carly> Hahaga xd
15:20  * Carly laughs
15:22 < foks> "patty"
15:22 < foks> lol
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15:22 < Carly> Hi foks :D
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15:23 < foks> hi
15:26 < thedj> wow, that tornado in moore....
15:27 < AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH> Lots of tornadoes
15:27 < AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH> http://www.weather.com/newscenter/alerts/national/severeWxAlertsNational.html
15:27 < edditer> Qcoder00: still there?
15:27 < Carly> Haha
15:27 < Qcoder00> Yes
15:27 < thedj> yup, but that moore looks like it might have been quite deadly
15:27 < edditer> Qcoder00: what do you think about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Prerequisites_Project ?
15:28 < Qcoder00> Support on Wheels!
15:28 < thedj> hit the hospital head on, and a school.
15:28 < Carly> Oh :(
15:28 < edditer> Qcoder00: i don't know how these projects work, but it seems reasonable to assume that we need to get some editors to subscribe to it :)
15:29 < Qcoder00> Of course
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15:33 < AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH> Wow, that tornado...
15:33 < AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH> Is that specific tornado still being tracked?
15:33 < Ironholds> Thing, stop playing silly buggers.
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15:35 < Carly> Hahahaha
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15:38 < edditer> anybody that wants to support the prerequisites initiative, please subscribe here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Prerequisites_Project
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15:38 < edditer> i hope this does not qualify as spam :)
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15:45 < thedj> wow, journo reporting she's been helping for 1,5 hour at a site. pulled out 4 bodies at that effort.
15:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah
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16:02 < mau911> hi
16:02 < mau911> is this the wikipedia english channel?
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16:02 < Carly> No I guess
16:02 < Carly> Xd
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16:09 < NotASpy> Carly: don't do that again.
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16:10 < Carly> NotASpy what the hell you mean?
16:10 < Carly> I didn't anything
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16:10 < NotASpy> when a user asks if this is the Wikipedia English channel "No I guess" is not the correct response.
16:10 < Matthew_> NotASpy: Ummm... said user left :/
16:11 < Carly> Exactly
16:11 < Carly> Open your eyes or are you blind?
16:11 < Carly> :|
16:11 < NotASpy> Matthew_: possibly because the first person said "No I guess".
16:11 < Matthew_> NotASpy: No, they left before Carly said anything.
16:12 < Carly> I said that after he left
16:12 < NotASpy> showing you said that before he left with me.
16:12 < Carly> NotASpy No
16:12 < Matthew_> No, not for me.
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16:13 < NotASpy> fair enough.
16:13 < Carly> :|
16:13 < Carly> This peoplw is blind
16:13  * Carly runs away
16:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tornado is ITNable
16:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if it isnt already
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16:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 dozen 3rd graders maybe killed
16:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or more
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16:37 < ChrisGualtieri> ToAruShiroiNeko pm
16:42  * mattbuck waits for that to become an NRA talking point
16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mattbuck what?
16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> projectiles were involved
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16:46 < mattbuck> "tornadoes kill children so why doesn't the government stop tornadoes instead of taking our guns?"
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16:46 < RingtailedFox> rofl
16:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the NRA isnt that heartless I hope
16:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> because I would strangle pierre if he stated that
16:48 < BlastHardcheese> nuke the tornadoes
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16:49 < mattbuck> ToAruShiroiNeko, have you not listened to anything they've ever said?
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16:49 < mattbuck> I mean, that is a good policy for life, but still...
16:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have
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16:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 7+20-30 children possibly killed
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16:57 < mattbuck> -3
16:59 < Carly-> *<[:-)
16:59 < Carly-> Happy Birthday!
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 7 confirmed
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16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 20-30 more possibly
16:59 < nas> Anyone here with a Flickr account?
16:59 < nas> Flickr Pro*
16:59 < NotASpy> nas: yes.
17:00 < NotASpy> subscripted to 14th May 2014 on a 2 year recurring sub.
17:00 < nas> Should I still keep it (It expires in September) with the terabyte of storage?
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17:00 < nas> / Should I renew it?
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17:00 < NotASpy> if I understand it correctly, if you renew on or before the due date, you get unlimited storage, unlimited uploads and no ads.
17:01 < nas> Yes
17:01 < nas> That's when you were limited to 200 photos.
17:01 < nas> Now you have a terabyte.
17:01 < nas> But I hate ads.
17:01 < nas> so
17:01 < NotASpy> but you only get 300mb upload per month.
17:01 < Carly-> Oh is the Tornado?
17:01 < Carly-> That sad :(
17:01 < Carly-> Yes
17:01 < Carly-> No
17:02 < NotASpy> it'll take you 30 years to upload to the 1TB limit.
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17:03 < nas> OMG
17:03 < nas> NotASpy: "Flickr Pro is no longer available for purchase, but many of the Pro-only features are now part of free Flickr accounts."
17:04 < nas> Flickr messed this up
17:04 < nas> Shitz
17:07 < mareklug> nas a TB of storage on a real harddrive is now 60 dollars, so...
17:07 < nas> When we had unlimited
17:07 < nas> -.-
17:08 < foks> Holy shit, Jose Mourinho is 1/9 to go to Chelsea
17:08 < foks> 1/9!
17:08 < nas> This makes me want to cry
17:08 < foks> crikey
17:08  * Carly- hugs nas
17:08 < Carly-> BOYS DONT.CRY
17:08 < foks> well they do
17:09 < nas> I said it makes me want to cry.
17:09 < nas> I didn't say I was
17:09 < nas> :p
17:09 < Carly-> Foks the gay ones
17:09 < nas> wtf
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17:09 < Ironholds> Carly-: No, many boys (and men) cry, sexuality is redundant in that.
17:09 < nas> Carly-: Let me tell you, if a relative dies, I will cry.
17:10 < nas> I did when my aunt died in December.
17:10 < Carly-> Nah Is pretty to see a guy crying
17:10 < Carly-> So loving
17:10 < Carly-> Tender
17:10 < Carly-> Xd
17:10 < Carly-> IronHolds just kidding
17:10 < nas> I made it all the way until when we were closing her casket at the funeral.
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17:10 < nas> before I started
17:10 < nas> so emotional… still
17:11 < Ironholds> I will resist the urge to make an insensitive joke.
17:11 < nas> Please don't..
17:11 < nas> but
17:11 < nas> Should I cancel my Pro subscription?
17:11 < nas> Now?
17:11 < mareklug> Ironholds you like Morrissey?
17:11 < nas> Or wait until it expires
17:12 < Ironholds> mareklug: strictly-speaking for me to make that insensitive joke I'd have to be his parent.
17:12 < mareklug> nascar1996's or Morrissey's?
17:12 < Ironholds> Morrisey
17:12 < Ironholds> nas is not an insensitive joke
17:13 < mareklug> nas are you a sensitive joke?
17:14 < mareklug> Steven Patrick Morrissey (born 22 May 1959), known as Morrissey, is an English singer and lyricist.
17:14 < mareklug> he is younger than me
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17:14 < nas> oh jesus christ
17:14 < mattbuck> the current f1 champion, the TRIPLE champion, is younger than me >_<
17:14 < mareklug> many things have been said of Morrissey, but being Jesus Christ is not one of them, I don't think
17:15 < mattbuck> also "I like his music"?
17:16 < nas> mattbuck: Is everyone younger than you? :p
17:16 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Gee3THtb8   Morrissey - Everyday is like Sunday
17:16 < mattbuck> morrissey isn't
17:16 < mareklug> such a sensitiv voice
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17:17 < mareklug> nas Morrissey being younger than me caught my commenting eye since the year is the same.
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17:18 < mareklug> also 22 is my favorite number
17:18 < mareklug> and it is May.
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17:19 < mareklug> and his birthday is 2 days from now.
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17:20 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41qSos4I6Y   Morrissey - "Hairdresser on fire"  from the same fine album, Bona drag
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17:24 < NotASpy> nas: Flickr update. Pro accounts will continue to be offered, but only to existing Pro users, at the moment it'll only be for recurring subscribers, but apparently they're opening up recurring subscription to non recurring Pro subscribers so they keep Pro after the August changeover date.
17:24 < nas> Oh, then I don't have to worry about it, as I'm a Pro user, and it doesn't expire until September.
17:24 < NotASpy> this gives you the benefits of No Ads and Doublr for $24.99 and $44.99 per year/per 2 years.
17:24 < mareklug> and I played this already today for our channeli Bengali, TOS, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qTY6-xKHpM    Morrissey - Bengali in platforms
17:25 < addihockey10> After cleaning out my fan...
17:25 < addihockey10> My computer is 50C cooler.
17:25 < mareklug> addihockey10 did someone clean your clock?
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17:26 < NotASpy> nas: but that's only from the staff members on the forum - it might not be totally accurate. It looks like Yahoo are trying to turn Flickr into a photo based social network.
17:26 < mareklug> addihockey10 stuff and nonsense. a real windows overclucker hardcore doodz would have installed turbo water cooling
17:28 < mareklug> NotASpy a poor bargain, if you axed me.  69.98 USD already today buys a 2TB drive.  You don't need to subsidized Flickr with that money.
17:30 < NotASpy> 2TB on new Flickr will set you back $499.99 per year.
17:30 < NotASpy> yes, that's $499.99
17:30 < mareklug> it's premature to store 2TB in the cloud, economically speaking.  If you have to you have to, but YOU don't have to.
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17:32 < NotASpy> there are people out there with 2TB of photos on Flickr though.
17:32 < mareklug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray%20Manzarek RIP
17:33  * NotASpy nods
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17:34 < NotASpy> I had LA Woman in my hand today, should have stuck it in the CD player in the car.
17:35 < Koi> me gusta anos grandes y no puedo mentir.
17:35 < Koi> mis otros hermanos no pueden tambien.
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17:35 < Koi> porque cuando una mujer entra con un circulo en tus ojos.
17:36 < Koi> estas SPRUNG.
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17:40 < mareklug> well, ray Manzarek is famous of course for the Doors, but to me he will be the guy who produced X from Los Angeles  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-gicpurGR8  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLC2jxZZag
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18:03 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko addihockey10 wctaiwan found me a high resolution picture of the Water/Glass Villa to go with my desktop beautification project https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/My%20beautiful%20desktop.png
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18:07 < mareklug> http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2013/05/20/dreamliner-flies-united-airlines/2343363/  Dreamliner flies again with United flight
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18:17 < mareklug> carly like the fat korean or the pretty lady?
18:18 < Carly> Mmmn like the pretty lady
18:18 < SuicidalZerg> Who wants to see my crazy-ass TV setup as drawn in Cisco's packet tracer? :p
18:18 < Carly> Well I am dancing with my little brother
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18:19 < IDoH> Little brothers and sisters are fun.
18:19 < Carly> :p
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18:19 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg I was hoping for something drawn in Illustrator or Inkscape
18:19 < Carly> Yes
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18:19 < SuicidalZerg> http://oi40.tinypic.com/bezc4.jpg
18:19 < SuicidalZerg> lol
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18:20 < Carly> Eh Sexy Lady Mareklug xd
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18:22 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg so what is this Cloud-PT thing, physically
18:22 < mareklug> Carly you know me well enough, it's all sexy ladies with me.  that and blue cheese.
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18:23 < SuicidalZerg> It's apparently a representation of a cloud as a single device :p
18:23 < SuicidalZerg> In reality it was the only thing that I could put a coax module in to connect a TV to :p
18:24 < Carly> Mareklug who sexy ladies do you have
18:24 < Carly> Lol
18:24 < Carly> No one?
18:24 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg I am a little concerned with all these physical coax splitters on your system.  that won't degrade the internet?
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18:24 < SuicidalZerg> It's a TV setup
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18:25 < SuicidalZerg> it's all video signals :p
18:25 < mareklug> so what is your speedtest.net reading
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18:26 < mareklug> Carly you my sexiest lady
18:26 < SuicidalZerg> It would be "404 server not found" :p
18:26 < mareklug> http://www.speedtest.net
18:26 < SuicidalZerg> Because it's not connected to the internet at all, except for my main PC :p
18:26 < Carly> Mareklug me? Nah I already have owner
18:26 < Carly> Xd
18:26 < mareklug> ah
18:27 < Carly> Eh
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18:27 < mareklug> Carly I only require read and write guest provileges
18:27 < mareklug> privileges *
18:27 < SuicidalZerg> I figured packet tracer would be the easiest way to make a diagram because I've used it before :p
18:27 < Carly> Marekluh such like?
18:27 < Carly> Mareklug
18:28 < IDoH> mareklug, I knew you weren't asking me, but my ping is unusually good. :-) [URL=http://www.speedtest.net][IMG]http://www.speedtest.net/result/2721133230.png[/IMG][/URL]
18:28 < SuicidalZerg> My speed is 22.16/4.52, btw :p
18:28 < IDoH> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2721133230.png
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18:29 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg and ping?   IDoH  your ping, as you use far away servers, will never be as small as that of someone like me who uses a nearby one.
18:29 < IDoH> Ah, I see.
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18:29 < SuicidalZerg> 17ms
18:29 < mareklug> IDoH if you don't do gaming on your laptop, 62 ping won't be very noticable anyway
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18:30 < IDoH> Sometimes, I play runescape. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.
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18:30 < SuicidalZerg> My ping to Southeast Asia is 261ms...
18:31 < SuicidalZerg> No wonder I lag so bad when I play SC2 in that region :p
18:32 < SuicidalZerg> It's like *move command*. "Ok. You can move now. Today. This year. There's something attacking you. You're about to die." *starts moving, then dies half a second later*
18:32 < mareklug> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2721140265.png    sometimes the pings are as low a 8
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18:35 < mareklug> Swob hi soap
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18:36 < SuicidalZerg> My ping to the closest server to the point halfway across the planet is 380 ms
18:36 < Swob> cool
18:36 < SuicidalZerg> And I get 0.25 mb/s O_o
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18:38 < GabrielF> if an admin has a second, I just made a request in the rev del channel
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18:40 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg what point is that
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18:41 < mareklug> Swob wctaiwan found me a high resolution picture of the Water/Glass Villa to go with my desktop beautification project https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/My%20beautiful%20desktop.png
18:42 < SuicidalZerg> In the middle of the Indian Ocean :p
18:42 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg Reunion?  I am asking as I wish to test it for moi
18:43 < SuicidalZerg> It's a point to the east of the Madagascar Island
18:43 < mareklug> that sounds like Reunion
18:44 < SuicidalZerg> Port Louis
18:44 < mareklug> Port Louis is the capital of Reunion
18:45 < SuicidalZerg> And apparently it is Reunion
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18:47 < mareklug> we probably slashdotted their entire communication link with the civilized world, as I got a ping of 682 ms and it has not started on the download, flashing "Connecting
18:47 < mareklug> "
18:47 < SuicidalZerg> LOL
18:47 < russavia> port louis is mauritius mareklug
18:47 < russavia> saint-denis is reunion
18:48 < mareklug> so it is.
18:48 < Swob> behold! the infallible mareklug has made an error of geography
18:48 < russavia> i know this from all the pr0n i've uploaded lately
18:48 < mareklug> the two are like 100 miles apart
18:49 < Swob> how far apart are Iowa and Ohio ?   : )
18:49 < mareklug> they have good pr0n? is it jets or turboprops?
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18:49 < mareklug> Swob both Reunion and Mauritius are one district of France
18:50 < Swob> naw dont be silly, France is in Europe. Youre pulling my leg
18:50 < Swob> next youll be telling me France has land in South America or something
18:51 < mareklug> well, to the extent that Mauritius is an independent cuntry, I am
18:51 < SuicidalZerg> Penises
18:51 < Swob> there's an "o" in country
18:51 < mareklug> Swob but not in cuntry.  "The islands of Mauritius, Rodrigues and the French department of Réunion 170 km (110 mi) form part of the Mascarene Islands. "
18:52 < mareklug> see, says "French department" as clear as day.
18:52 < mareklug> do the Mascarena, Soap, and shut up about Iowa and Ohio.
18:53 < russavia> dafuq -- mauritius is part of france? my god mareklug
18:53 < foks> lots of places are part of france
18:53 < mareklug> russavia i was pulling his leg
18:53 < foks> Reunion is in the EU! :O
18:53 < russavia> pull his something else ;)
18:53 < foks> is crazy
18:53 < mareklug> indeed it is
18:54 < russavia> mayotte...there's an interesting place i wouldn't mind heading to -- judging from photos i've uploaded
18:54 < mareklug> for tax and immigration purposes, you might as well set up your Frenchness on Réunion.
18:55 < Carly> Alegria maxarena
18:57 < mareklug> soap since you like meteo talk "Between 15 and 16 March 1952, Cilaos at the centre of Réunion received 1,869.9 millimetres (73.62 in) of rainfall. This is the greatest 24-hour precipitation total ever recorded on earth. Another part of the island holds the record for most rainfall in 72 hours, 3,929 millimetres (154.7 in) at Commerson's Crater in March 2007 from Cyclone Gamede. Commerson also holds the record for most rainfall over all periods
18:57 < mareklug>  ranging from 4 to 15 days from a storm in 1980."
18:58 < Swob> yeah thats pretty deep
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18:58 < mareklug> I wonder if they lost all the soil in that one
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18:59 < Swob> i would like to visit the tropics someday during a mega-storm just to see what it's like
18:59 < SigmaWP> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61708973/hlep.png
18:59 < Swob> the closest I've come is being in southern Florida during a thunderstorm at night
18:59 < SigmaWP> Cruelty
19:00 < GabrielF> sometimes you've got to roll the hard six
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19:02 < mareklug> Swob I was in Jakarta during the monsoon.  It was lush.
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19:03 < Swob> I dont even see how people can go outside when it's raining that hard for so long
19:04 < mareklug> think of the poor lemurs
19:05 < Swob> think of the humans who had to live in India 100000 years ago with no shelter from the monsoon
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19:06 < Chat8366> Hi
19:06 < Swob> well, maybe 50000 years ago depending on how you define humans.  But homo erectus probably wasnt much hardier
19:06 < mareklug> 100k years ago they weren't very human or Indian for that matter
19:06 < mareklug> I bet they still had funny accents.
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19:09 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg you sure you did not actually connect to the other server on the island that Speedtest/Ookla has in its network?  The Rose-Hill one?  I hot a ping of only 399 for it and 1.4 Mbps download and 3.32 Mbps UPLOAD, which is better upload than all you turkeys on this channel.
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19:09 < harej> 10 years ago we had steve jobs johnny cash and bob hope
19:09 < SuicidalZerg> I tried both
19:10 < SuicidalZerg> They both get dismal speeds
19:10 < mareklug> now we only have Madonna and Paul McCartney
19:10 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg you have to admit, a 3.32 Mbps upload from Chicago Comcast to Mauritius is phenomenal.
19:11 < Swob> Jobs, Cash, and Hope
19:11 < GabrielF> a 3.32Mbps upload from Comcast to freakin' Google is pretty phenomenal
19:11 < mareklug> GabrielF I get almost 11 Mpbs uploads anywhere now.
19:11 < mareklug> from Chicago Comacast
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19:12 < GabrielF> yeah I have to admit the speeds have been satisfactory, its just that the uptime and customer service and pricing are horrible
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19:13 < mareklug> well, with enough song and dance, I got me a 29.29 for my Blast tier for 6 months, an d 20 dollars more for 6 more after that, then regular.  By that time there will be other deals and other technologies in place
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19:13 < GabrielF> is that with or without TV?
19:14 < mareklug> that is with tv, but my tv is mere digital starter package of which I pay nothing (well, my condo association fees pay for it)
19:14 < mareklug> if I wanted HD, I would have to fork out 8.99 a month.
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19:15 < mareklug> so my comcast bill really does fit under 30.
19:15 < GabrielF> I also have the digital starter (I think that's what its called - its basically just the local channels) and its the same price for just Internet as it is for Internet + digital starter and they call me once every couple weeks trying to get me to upgrade
19:15 < Swob> of course
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19:15 < Swob> i mean who could possibly be happy with less than 200 TV channels?
19:15 < Swob> Clearly you jsut havent come to your senses
19:15 < mareklug> GabrielF digital starter has espn/espn2/bbc america, so it is not just local channels and dross.
19:16 < GabrielF> I don't remember what the plan is called then
19:16 < mareklug> Swob senator McCain, bless his soul, has a bill in the Senate that would force cable companies to offer a la carte pricing and make it possible to pick single channels.
19:16 < mareklug> GabrielF probably economy basic
19:16 < GabrielF> I saw that, I'll have to take back all the nasty things I've said about him
19:17 < GabrielF> unfortunately, Obama picked a telco lobbyist as FCC chair :)
19:17 < GabrielF> :(
19:17 < GabrielF>  I mean
19:17 < mareklug> Swob no one but the cable companies wants 200 channels of trash tv.
19:17 < mareklug> it's like getting your email with mandatory spam
19:18 < Swob> that exists
19:18 < mareklug> i estimate I would want to subscribe to maybe 17 channels at most.
19:19 < GabrielF> ESPN is insanely expensive for cable companies - its a huge chunk of your monthly bill so if you don't watch sports you're subsidizing people who do
19:19 < mareklug> espn is indispensible for college basketball, and all major international soccer events like Euro or World Cup.
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19:19 < Swob> i remember getting a lot of spam in the early days of email even though I hadnt put my email address anywhere public
19:20 < mareklug> microsoft and google have worked diligently to cut down on spam and spam botnets
19:20 < GabrielF> you can use plus additions to see who is giving out your email
19:21 < GabrielF> if you have gmail and you sign up for a website, give your email as me+websitename@gmail.com
19:21 < GabrielF> it will still go to you
19:21 < mareklug> i get far more random spam on my Apple email (.me/.icloud/.mac) then on googlemail.  none on outlook.com and yahoo.ca
19:21 < GabrielF> and then if you get email from spammers to that address you'll know who sold you out
19:21 < Swob> you got a Canadian email address?
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19:22 < mareklug> the only nearly all spam (and in prodigious quanties) email address I have is the venerable marek@enteract.com which no longer physically exists.  It was published for 17 years on my webpage and in the contact meta headers for asgp.org so no wonder.
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19:23 < Swob> yeah Ive had that too
19:23 < mareklug> but I still get real signal in that box, so I keep it.
19:24 < Wizardman> ironically, my uni mail gets a huge amount of spam, up there with yahoo. gmail gets very little.
19:24 < Swob> in the late 90s people started sending out brute-force spam figuring that even if only 1 in 10000 emails sent to a random username at each domain actually made it, at least they had that 1 hit
19:24 < mareklug> Swob that has been drastically curtailed by mail relay filtering
19:24 < mareklug> and spam blacklisting
19:25 < Swob> maybe
19:25 < Swob> theres still some su[per-annoying spam that gets past all of that though
19:25 < mareklug> really, there is something like only 20% of spam coursing through the veins of the internet as compared to just 5 years ago.
19:25 < Swob> awesome
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19:25 < mareklug> it's getting better
19:26 < GabrielF> but how will people get their Bulgarian pharmaceuticals?
19:26 < Swob> im still getting an average of 12 spams a day from an unblockable sender
19:26 < mareklug> no one is selling penis stuff anymore
19:27 < Swob> whoa i just got something from eBay
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19:27 < Swob> eBay's canvassing for votes
19:27 < Swob> As an online shopper, you may be negatively affected by sales tax legislation currently being considered in the U.S. Congress. I want to let you know about the bill and give you a quick, easy way to make sure your voice is heard before the House of Representatives votes.
19:27 < mareklug> Swob I have become an Ebay fiend
19:28 < mareklug> I am afraid the congresscritters will vote for it anyway
19:28 < Swob> 'parently the new bill requires anyone using eBay to pay a tax, because theyre a "small business"
19:28 < Wizardman> Something that makes them money? Hmm, i wonder how they'll vote.
19:28 < mareklug> states want it
19:28 < mareklug> people don't
19:29 < Swob> yeah I think Im on eBay's side on this one
19:29 < BlastHardcheese> why, shouldn't they be proud to pay taxes
19:29 < Swob> granted I havent read it in anywhere near depth
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19:33 < mareklug> bradford (Pote) you misspelled "poto"
19:35 < Pote> ok
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19:39 < Swob> marek youre not entirely right
19:39 < Swob> Gain in size and win your lover's favor        <---- just arrived as a spam email to me
19:40 < Swob> it seems to have suddenly switched from 100% stock/trading spam to 100% male-enhancement spam on May 18
19:40 < IDoH> LOL
19:40 < IDoH> I've been getting those since I was eleven, Swob.
19:41 < IDoH> And I'm a woman
19:42 < Swob> and I cant just block it since it comes from a different host every time.  Probably all fake
19:42 < IDoH> Yeah
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19:43 < Swob> even better is when they fake the date too to be something way off in teh future
19:43 < IDoH> LOL
19:43 < Swob> ive got an email that was supposedly sent on Dec 28 2013
19:43 < IDoH> Uh? Ha ha!
19:43 < Swob> which if I dont delete it will be perpetually at the top of the list because it's the "newest" email in my mailbox
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19:43 < mareklug> Swob clearly they think my micropenis is beyond treatment, and they opted me out.  Just like having bad credit, I guess.
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19:46 < Swob> i like your self deprecating humor
19:47 < Carly> Mareklug good night dog
19:47 < Carly> :)
19:49 < mareklug> Carly sweet dreams, bitch
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19:50 < Carly> Thank you bb
19:50 < Carly> Dreams with your worse nightmare mareklug
19:50 < mareklug> which is my worse nightmare?  At least it is not my worst nightmare.
19:51 < Carly> Mine either
19:51 < IDoH> LOL
19:51 < IShadowed> I am your worst nightmare
19:51 < Carly> Do you know why I woke up crying? Because I dreamed with you
19:52 < Carly> Dirty dog.
19:52 < mareklug> Carly see?  IShadowed is alredy my worst nightmarek.
19:53 < Carly> Mareklug dont try to be nice with me,it not works
19:53 < mareklug> Carly all your blueberry are belong to us.
19:53 < IDoH> Mmm. Bluebarries.
19:54 < Carly> You'll be fat soon
19:54 < Carly> Like another one that I know mareklug
19:54 < mareklug> Swob I discovered that my neighborhood supermarket chain store has Srirachas sauce which ordinarily requires a visit to a Vietnamese market.  The world is getting more cosmopolitan.
19:54 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriracha_sauce
19:54 < Swob> I think I can get that in a regular supermarket here
19:54 < mareklug> and at 4.99 for 32 oz bottle, that's pretty ok
19:55 < GabrielF> I used to live on top of an asian supermarket
19:55 < GabrielF> it was pretty sweet
19:55 < IDoH> mareklug: The local "Lucky Asian" supermarket has Sriracha sauce, too.
19:55 < mareklug> they just organized the furrigner foodz in an out of the way segment of the floorplan so it was hidden from my shopping pleasure
19:55 < mareklug> IDoH it goes without saying.
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19:55 < mareklug> IDoH the notable thing is that you can now get it in Safeway's of the world.
19:56 < mareklug> at least in my hood.
19:56 < IDoH> Ah, I see.
19:56 < mareklug> Carly I am already soon fat.    in fact Soon Fat is my Korean Worrior name.
19:57 < Carly> Mareklug that is bad
19:58 < mareklug> so whenever I worry Korean style, I sign my name Soon Fat
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19:59 < SoonFat> and like all Koreans, my first adopted name is Kim
19:59 < Pote> Carly: dile  a los de wikimeda que me dejen entrar
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19:59 < Pote> |:
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20:00 < Carly> TRIPLE MEGA ULTRA SUPER HELLLLO
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20:00 < Carly> Xd
20:01 < mareklug> Swob so… when you can buy a tub of Sriracha and 2.99 vandekemp's breaded whole fish fillets in one joint, and then enjoy the two together, life is pretty sweet.
20:01 < Pote> -___-
20:01 < Carly> Hagaga
20:01 < Carly> Ooh si
20:01 < Carly> Ooooh yeah siii oh
20:01 < Pote> ._.
20:01 < Carly> Pote oh shiii
20:01 < Pote> wtf
20:02 < Carly> Xd
20:02 < Pote> .-.
20:02 < Carly> '-'
20:02 < Carly> "-"
20:03 < Pote> Carly:  #venezuela-social
20:03 < Pote> :-)
20:03 < mareklug> hey, Poto -- try #venezuela-anit-social
20:03 < Pote> Carly:  que es poto?
20:03 < Pote> XD
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20:05 < Carly> Mareklug why you were born so marakin?
20:05 < mareklug> marakin is the best, girl.
20:06 < Carly> LOL
20:07 < Pote> .__.
20:07 < Carly> Mareklug t pagan por chismoso?
20:08 < Pote> XD
20:09 < Carly> Mareklug #news-by-Marie-the-gossip
20:09 < Carly> Xd
20:09 < Carly> Marek*
20:09 < Pote> Mareka
20:09 < mareklug> Carly I am pagan poetry, but I am going to heaven, since jesus saved me despite my best intentions when I was a child and could not do anything about it.
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20:10 < Carly> Marek where is your news channel?
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20:10 < Carly> I thought it was the 7.channel
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20:13 < mareklug> Carly tell bradford he misspelled his nickname.  Should be Poto
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20:15 < Carly> Mareklug if I dont want to tell bradford that?
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20:15 < mareklug> Carly tell him anyway.  you need to make sure el analfabeta learns to spell in Spanish solamente
20:16 < Carly> Mareklug when a girl says no,if is no
20:16 < Carly> It is*
20:16 < mareklug> Carly, you don't remember this, but when a girl was little, her parents forcefed her pap baby food even though she said no.   life is cruel this way.
20:18 < Carly> Mareklug the pap food is for you
20:18 < Carly> For being bobo
20:19 < BlastHardcheese> pap smear?
20:19 < mareklug> Carly ámame  menos, comprendeme más.
20:19 < mareklug> BlastHardcheese that bit comes a bit later in a girls pap life
20:20 < Carly> Mareklug who loves you?
20:20 < mareklug> BlastHardcheese but certainly, I bet there was pap smearing out the wazoo and screaming and crying with all that Gerber mayhem in the high chair.
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20:20 < Carly> I think even your mom dont
20:20 < mareklug> Carly Swob loves me
20:20 < Pote> Carly: é_è
20:21 < mareklug> carr es muerto
20:21 < Carly> Mareklug okay...
20:21 < mareklug> carly
20:21 < Carly> Single old man
20:21 < Carly> Mareklug
20:21 < mareklug> Carly that is still better than a single young woman
20:21 < Carly> Mareklug old and alone?
20:22 < mareklug> what young and alone (and alienated, not to mention, fucking alienating)
20:22 < Carly> Nah!
20:22 < Carly> Ok baby
20:22 < Carly> Keep talking to your dog (if you have one)
20:22 < Carly> Mareklug ;)
20:23 < mareklug> Carly my dog is in Santiago and is going to sleep.
20:23 < Carly> He travelled from U.S¿
20:24 < mareklug> it's a bitch, not a he.
20:24 < Carly> Wow
20:24 < Carly> So silly as his owner then
20:25 < Carly> Mareklug sure...
20:25 < Carly> Mareklug first fall the owner and after the dog
20:25 < Carly> Darling
20:25 < mareklug> just be careful out there, Carly.  It's a dog-eat-dog world.  And that's without the Koreans taking out a big piece of the pie.
20:25 < Carly> Okay
20:28 < SudoGhost> o_O
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20:28 < IDoH> aaand Carly is going to bed.
20:28 < mareklug> what are we going to do for idle triffles now?
20:28 < IDoH> LOL
20:28 < mareklug> the channel is at a loss...
20:28 < mareklug> soy infeliz
20:29 < mareklug> and corn infeliz, to boot
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20:30 < Moe_Epsilon> someone semi-protect or PC1 protect http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Curtis_Axel&action=history
20:30 < Moe_Epsilon> getting bombarded
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20:32 < Pote> Moe_Epsilon: hi :D
20:32 < Moe_Epsilon> hello Bradford..
20:32 < Pote> :-)
20:32 < Pote> Moe_Epsilon:  mi nick is pote
20:32 < Pote> no bradford
20:32 < IDoH> Pote is bradford, Moe_Epsilon.
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20:32 < Moe_Epsilon> well I knew that
20:32 < Pote> xD
20:32 < Pote> :o
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20:34 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon he misspelled Poto
20:34 < Moe_Epsilon> ahh
20:35 < mareklug> RESPETA
20:35 < mareklug> BASTA
20:35 < mareklug> STOP
20:35 < mareklug> O_O
20:35 < IDoH> Imitating Carly, mareklug?
20:35 < IDoH> Oh, she's back
20:35 < mareklug> I think I ran through 50% of his lexicon right there
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20:36 < Pote> ._.
20:37 < mareklug> IDoH she is not back. that is her ircloud listening post, as she is morbidly curious about afterhours
20:38 < IDoH> Heh
20:38 < Carly> Mareklug yes I see the logs
20:39 < Carly> And it is your problem?
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20:39 < mareklug> Carly I have many problems, but you are not at the periphery of any of them, sad to say
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20:40 < Carly> So what?
20:40 < Carly> Mareklug please...bitch
20:40 < mareklug> no bitch-pleasing after hours.  bitch sleep now.  dormir!  schnella!
20:41 < Anna_Frodesiak> can i pm an admin for a sec please?
20:41 < Anna_Frodesiak> non-controversial stuff
20:41 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak Bsadowski1  is always awake and he is more than a feeling, erm, admin
20:42 < Anna_Frodesiak> Bsadowski1: are you up?
20:42 < AlmostGrad> QueenOfFrance is an admin too
20:43 < Jasper_Deng> rschen7754 is an admin
20:43 < Anna_Frodesiak> QueenOfFrance: are you up?
20:43 < Shirik> Anna_Frodesiak: what do you want?
20:43 < Jasper_Deng> (he's on IRC, but not this chan)
20:43 < AlmostGrad> go to #wikipedia-en-help
20:43 < AlmostGrad> that is the help channel
20:43 < Anna_Frodesiak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anna_Frodesiak
20:43 < Anna_Frodesiak> i want to decline
20:43 < Shirik> ok
20:43 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak aw.  you'd sail.
20:43 < Anna_Frodesiak> can i enter that at "Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:"
20:44 < Shirik> please do so just so I know it's you, and then I'll delete it
20:45 < Shirik> of course, I would advise leaving a message for him on why you declined, too :)
20:45 < Anna_Frodesiak> it's a couple of sentences
20:45 < Anna_Frodesiak> saying thanks, need more time etc
20:45 < mareklug> 60,000 edits and plenty of experience.
20:45 < Anna_Frodesiak> but is that the place to decline as well as accept?
20:46 < Shirik> I only want you to decline there so that I know it's not someone else on IRC with your name
20:46 < Shirik> then I'll end up deleting the RFA
20:46 < Anna_Frodesiak> oh
20:46 < Anna_Frodesiak> ok but that's the right place to decline, right?
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20:46 < Shirik> yup
20:46 < Anna_Frodesiak> ok thanks
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20:47 < Anna_Frodesiak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anna_Frodesiak
20:47 < Anna_Frodesiak> done
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20:47 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak seriously, we need an admin in the China time zone
20:48 < Shirik> also ^ that
20:48 < mareklug> not to mention an en wiki admin who is fluent in chinese
20:48 < Anna_Frodesiak> it's also that i'm not sure anyone has really dug into my contribs
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20:48 < Anna_Frodesiak> i'm not so fluent
20:49 < Anna_Frodesiak> i struggle
20:49 < mareklug> you are more fluent than the threshhold of need
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20:49 < Koi> Anna_Frodesiak: wo shi piaoliang zhongguo laladui.
20:49 < mareklug> youmomma
20:49 < Anna_Frodesiak> hahaha
20:49 < Anna_Frodesiak> ni hao
20:49 < Anna_Frodesiak> ni zai nar?
20:49 < AlmostGrad> there was just now someone on the help channel asking for a hindi admin. I am sure knowing a foreign language is a huge plus.
20:50 < Koi> Anna_Frodesiak: I said I'm a beautiful Chinese cheering squad :D
20:50 < mareklug> we will have Yuvi_Panda an admin any week now. meanwhile, there are just no Chinese speaker prospects.  Do reconsider for the good of the project, etcetera.
20:50 < AlmostGrad> Anna, is it that you don't have time to be a admin or is it that you don't feel confident?
20:50 < Anna_Frodesiak> i didn't know laladui
20:51 < Anna_Frodesiak> it's that i'm not confident that anyone has looked into my contribs enough
20:51 < Koi> Anna_Frodesiak: :P
20:51 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak take a chance on them.  we also need more women admins.
20:51 < Anna_Frodesiak> even the nom said "I have read that her content ..." in the nomination
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20:52 < AlmostGrad> I just looked at some of your contribs, they seem good. I mean I don't know a whole lot of zoology, but your writing style is good and professional.
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20:52 < Anna_Frodesiak> there's more than that. i've made plenty of mistakes
20:53 < AlmostGrad> Also admin is an administrative job, not an editing job I believe.
20:53 < Anna_Frodesiak> i recently uploaded two non-free images that clearly fail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NFCC#8
20:53 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak your article output is also fine.  you have no hate issues.  you did not vandalize Conservatocrepopedia or whatever.  Your username is not a greek glyph.
20:53 < mareklug> meed I go on
20:53 < mareklug> mead, even.
20:53 < Anna_Frodesiak> :)
20:53 < Anna_Frodesiak> i could go for some mead right now
20:53 < AlmostGrad> Anna you are suffering from the typical female [[impostor syndrome]].
20:53 < AlmostGrad> !link
20:54 < Anna_Frodesiak> :)
20:54 < Anna_Frodesiak> my sister always says that
20:54 < AlmostGrad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome
20:54 < mareklug> AlmostGrad we have no link bot we have no bots that speak here period
20:54 < Anna_Frodesiak> i know all about that.
20:54 < AlmostGrad> Yeah I would love to be an admin and you are turning it down
20:54 < Anna_Frodesiak> we find ourselves in some position of trust suddenly asking how we got there and why people trust us
20:55 < AlmostGrad> I mean only so that I could edit one particular protected page
20:55 < AlmostGrad> But Anna you have to take a leap of faith sometimes
20:55 < Anna_Frodesiak> really, this is all about a nominator or reviewer really digging before offering support
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20:55 < AlmostGrad> If you can't do it you can always resign
20:55 < Anna_Frodesiak> i dont want an RfA where everyone digs up dirt and opposes
20:56 < Anna_Frodesiak> i want the dirt exposed beforehand so we all know if i'm fit
20:56 < AlmostGrad> I don't think *anyone* looks through 60,000 posts
20:56 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak you will have a legoktm type RfA.  3 opposes, 4 abstains, 149 supports
20:56 < Anna_Frodesiak> of course, but it's selective digging
20:56 < AlmostGrad> You are not running for President Anna
20:56 < AlmostGrad> No one will try to find an illegitimate child
20:56 < Anna_Frodesiak> yes put it's a highly politicized process
20:57 < AlmostGrad> what is a legoktm type RfA?
20:57 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak what do you miss most form US?
20:57 < Anna_Frodesiak> US?
20:57 < mareklug> or Canada
20:57 < AlmostGrad> Anna do you live in China now?
20:58 < Anna_Frodesiak> i miss smoked meat sandwiches, lobster, snowboarding, souvlaki, no rubbish everywhere
20:58 < Anna_Frodesiak> peace and quiet... the list is endless
20:58 < mareklug> you can't get souvlaki there?
20:58 < Anna_Frodesiak> not in haikou
20:59 < AlmostGrad> What do you do in China, Anna?
20:59 < Anna_Frodesiak> i can't say
20:59 < AlmostGrad> OK
20:59 < Anna_Frodesiak> my identity is top secret
20:59 < Anna_Frodesiak> actually i'm a truck driver from new jersey who sings like michael jackson
20:59 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak do you miss anything that can be mailed?  fresh grilled vegetables are kinda hard to do.
20:59 < AlmostGrad> On Wikipedia?
20:59 < Anna_Frodesiak> :)
20:59 < Anna_Frodesiak> :)
20:59 < Anna_Frodesiak> no thanks.
21:00 < Anna_Frodesiak> that's very sweet of you to say, though
21:00 < AlmostGrad> OK, on Wikipedia you are secret?
21:00 < AlmostGrad> I am too, so I understand.
21:01 < Anna_Frodesiak> i basically never like self ID on computers
21:01 < Anna_Frodesiak> no facebook no linkedin etc
21:01 < Anna_Frodesiak> i stay off the grid
21:01 < AlmostGrad> ok
21:01 < mareklug> except for billions and billions of wiki edits
21:02 < AlmostGrad> mareklug who is legoktm? There was an edit war on the article I am trying to contribute to and someone accused him of being a sockpuppet.
21:02 < Anna_Frodesiak> yes, except for that
21:02 < Jasper_Deng> AlmostGrad: he's an admin
21:02 < Jasper_Deng> who almost certainly isn't a sock
21:02 < mareklug> AlmostGrad that was a lame accusation.  legoktm is a fine upstanding citizen and a scholar.  and now a wiki admin.
21:02 < AlmostGrad> Oh OK, that is why it was so ridiculous
21:02 < Anna_Frodesiak> anyway, i would be happy to RfA if I could find someone who would take the time to dig and check and then give a thumbs up
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21:03 < mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak if that is what it takes, sign me up.  Although I have yet to brook the pages of RfA on en wiki with my contribution.
21:03 < mareklug> any contribution.
21:03  * IDoH has also yet to be nominated for RfA, surprisingly enough.
21:04 < mareklug> IDoH as well you may be.  although as sure as eggs is eggs, you not living in the chinese pacific time zone makes you less compelling than Anna_Frodesiak
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21:05 < mareklug> basically, there is a blind window between when closedmouth is awake and the rest of the world and that is where Anna_Frodesiak would come in nicely
21:05 < IDoH> True, but I'd be institutionalized pretty damn quickly if I went to China
21:05 < IDoH> BRB
21:06 < AlmostGrad> Why is it so hard to find Chinese editors?
21:06 < AlmostGrad> Is it hard to find the ones who are awake China time, or is it hard to find ones who know Mandarin?
21:07 < Jasper_Deng> Internet censorship there
21:07 < AlmostGrad> Oh yeah. Is Wikipedia allowed there?
21:07 < Jasper_Deng> plus, over there, WP has competition
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21:07 < AlmostGrad> I know facebook and youtube areb't.
21:07 < mareklug> teh Chinese are enterprising people.  If you are really good at English, you are unlikely to spend time Wikipedia editing.
21:07 < AlmostGrad> competition from whom?
21:08 < AlmostGrad> They are very hardworking, true
21:08 < Jasper_Deng> another encyclopedia
21:08 < AlmostGrad> ok
21:09 < BlastHardcheese> the problem is you edit one chinese article and a half-hour later you want to edit another one
21:09 < AlmostGrad> There are 3000 Chinese international students at my school, any of them could provide Chinese WP support. Is it too hard to find a few within the US?
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21:09 < AlmostGrad> Why BlastHardcheese?
21:10 < dtm_> guys, is it improper to have italicized section titles?  i dont know if they're an implicit part of the organization of the film, like an implicit chapter.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Geese_II
21:11 < mareklug> AlmostGrad when I was a grad student, I had to decline the offer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw%20Lem himself to translate his book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summa%20Technologiae from Polish to English, which would have assured me of notability if not immortality, not to ommit Lem's own immortal happiness, but grad studies just don't afford the kind of time you are talking about
21:13 < dtm_> mareklug: did anybody ever translate it?  if not, you must.
21:13 < AlmostGrad> True
21:14 < mareklug> dtm remains untranslated to English
21:14 < CensoredBiscuit> dtm_: can I tell you what Jimbo can do in your life?
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21:18 < dtm_> :-o
21:18 < dtm_> now i may never know.  BUT HOW WILL I EVER KNOW??!?!
21:18 < dtm_> mareklug: how about my previous question, sir?
21:18 < dtm_> about italics
21:19 < mareklug> dtm in wiki articles, yo never do.
21:20 < mareklug> I would refactor that, sans italics:  single section Chapter and then make what you have there be subsections
21:20 < mareklug> Chapters *
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21:28 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko maybe use IBM Watson
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21:36 < dtm_> mareklug: okay.
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21:38 < dtm_> mareklug: btw i just edited the initial summary paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Manzarek for readability, who's another celebrity of Polish descent.  he just passed away.
21:38 < mareklug> indeed he did
21:39  * IDoH is back
21:39 < dtm_> shouldn't it say something more like this?  ->  Ray Manzarek (born Raymond Daniel Manczarek, Jr., February 12, 1939 – May 20, 2013), ....
21:39 < dtm_> ?
21:39 < dtm_> IDoH: hi
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21:40 < Koi> !admin need someone to block IPs making legal threats/harassment/doxing against editors.
21:40 < Writ_Keeper> hoo?
21:42 < dtm_> < mareklug> I would refactor that, sans italics:  single section Chapter and then make what you have there be subsections <--- ok well i don't know if those are literally chapters though.  are they implicit chapters?  and Story definitely isn't a chapter.  shouldn't it be called Plot?
21:42 < dtm_> i think all the movie-based articles i've ever seen, call it Plot
21:42 < mareklug> call it Plot
21:43 < mareklug> but if those are proper names, I would go with Chapters
21:43 < dtm_> okay i dont know if they are.  maybe i should just post comments in Talk.
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21:44 < dtm_> i know nothing of the movie, excpet that i just watched a statement byPatrick Stewart, saying that he was embarassed to be in it.
21:44 < dtm_> what to do?
21:44 < dtm_> i'll rename it to Plot for sure, but maybe for all i know, the movie does have the words "Prologue" and "Epilogue" on the screen
21:45 < dtm_> ^_^
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21:47 < dtm_> oh well i committed the changes along with suggestions in the changelog
21:47 < Bsadowski1> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-off-va-coast-were-on-elite-team-trained-in-military-tactics/2013/05/20/75c4bffe-c1c0-11e2-9aa6-fc21ae807a8a_story.html
21:47 < Bsadowski1> :O
21:47 < Koi> !oversight
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21:50 < Koi> Anyone?
21:50 < IDoH> Koi, wait five to ten minutes then go to Request for Oversight
21:50 < Koi> i know.
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22:04 < bazinga> https://vine.co/v/bQQv3mwB0KT
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22:05 < Revent> o/ peeps.
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22:14 < Revent> So....what other random changes in the last 12 hours?
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22:25 < Bsadowski1> 91 killed now in the Oklahoma tornado.
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22:26  * Jasper_Deng wonders if Bsadowski1 is doing radio transcriptions again
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22:26 < Jasper_Deng> (if so, point me to the chan)
22:26 < Bsadowski1> Jasper_Deng: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/us/tornado-oklahoma.html?_r=0
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22:26 < Bsadowski1> Oh, that was only for that event, Jasper_Deng.
22:26 < Bsadowski1> That was quite the intense day.
22:26 < Bsadowski1> :|
22:27 < Bsadowski1> I stayed up 25 hours bro.
22:27 < Bsadowski1> I'm just glad it is over.
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22:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 it has only begun
22:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you have over 200 dead horses among other things
22:40 < Bsadowski1> Oh, Jasper_Deng: "Oklahoma Medical Examiner's Office told to expect about 40 more bodies. As of now, official death toll remains at 51. " from CNN
22:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 yes
22:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 51 is an amazing number
22:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it seems like practically everyone had built storm shelters
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22:43 < Revent> In OKC? Hell yeah.
22:44 < Revent> It's like living in a tornado magnet..
22:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its not like (similar) it is exactly that
22:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing to full fledged miles wide huricane in 1 hour?
22:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wtf!?
22:45 < Revent> (grew up maybe...200 miles upwind)
22:45 < Revent> 40 mph winds pretty much all day, every day.
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22:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have a town named clinton
22:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no wonder why it sucks :p
22:47 < Bradford> Logan_: hi :-)
22:47 < Revent> And yeah....in the right conditions out in that country, it can go from crystal clear windy day to towering supercells in half an hour eays.
22:47 < Revent> *easy
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22:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do people live there
22:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why not move to florida?
22:50 < Theo10011> heh
22:50 < BlastHardcheese> because that would involve living in florida
22:50 < Revent> Well, having lived both places? Humidity and flying roaches kinda suck.
22:50 < Theo10011> florida has a hurricane season. I think.
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22:51 < Revent> And in central floride you get a big storm about 11:15 every morning all summer.
22:51 < Revent> *Florida
22:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 oh right
22:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> another death trap
22:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
22:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> california has earth wuakes
22:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *quakes
22:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think americans should just move back to europe for safety reasons :p
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22:52 < Theo10011> I think they are better. It's been a while since Cali got a bad earthquake?
22:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 thats exactly the problem
22:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> longer the time the bigger stress buildup
22:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> safest place tends to be a year after a major earthquake
22:52 < Theo10011> Need to relieve the earth's stress.
22:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless its indonesia
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22:53 < Theo10011> What about the east coast?
22:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 they should just olive oil the cracks :p
22:53 < Theo10011> ohh ya Sandy
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22:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 also hit by huricanes and storms?
22:53 < Theo10011> Ya
22:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> maine seems safe
22:53 < Theo10011> Let's just move to canada!
22:53 < Theo10011> Mooses and all
22:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have narcotics rampant there
22:53 < Revent> Eww....4 months of isolation tho.
22:53 < Bsadowski1> Mooses :D
22:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and they abolished the penny :p
22:54 < Theo10011> :P
22:54 < Theo10011> SO, cold and isolation vs. natural disasters and civilization
22:54 < Theo10011> seems like a fair trade :P
22:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> canada has civilization
22:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just a narcotic driven one
22:55 < Revent> Yup...
22:55 < BlastHardcheese> driven by maple syurp
22:55 < BlastHardcheese> and tim horton's
22:55 < Theo10011> So, high fructose syrup and cheap prescription meds
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22:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama to deploy US millitary to shove free health care on peoples throats
22:56 < Revent> (is actually looking for the 18 tractor-trailer buried grow room link(
22:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or so republicans believe
22:56 < Revent> It was in Canada...
22:56 < Theo10011> oh canadaaaaaa!
22:56 < Theo10011> feeling proud already :P
22:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Revent do you think my tractor is sexy?
22:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh! Canada? Ah!
22:57 < Theo10011> *eh
22:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Eh?
22:57 < Theo10011> We use only eh in canada.
22:57 < Theo10011> eh
22:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know
22:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> eh doesnt sound sexy
22:58 < Theo10011> that's so much better eh, I like that eh. eh oh eh ah
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22:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> cant imagine canadian sex then
22:58 < Revent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg2TyjWjCls
22:58 < Revent> About 3:50....
22:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think I want to know Theo10011 :p
22:59 < Theo10011> I'm told canadian sex looks like American sex, just with more elk and moose
22:59 < Theo10011> and the only sound they are allowed to make is eh
23:00 < Theo10011> that's tennessee Revent
23:00 < Revent> Ye....just amusing.
23:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and maple syrup instead of lube?
23:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> do canadians use maple syrup instead of gasoline?
23:03 < bazinga> yes
23:03 < Revent> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/09/11/bc-chilliwack-grow-op-underground-bunker.html
23:03 < SigmaWP> Maple syrup instead of cum
23:04 < Revent> That was the 'canada' one.
23:04 < bazinga> SigmaWP: ice condoms
23:04 < bazinga> Revent: hahaha
23:04 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng: more grow ops, how about that
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23:12 < Revent> enwiki needs a net radio station (lol)
23:12 < Revent> "Tunes to edit by"
23:12 < Jasper_Deng> that was actually proposed once
23:12 < bazinga> fuck you
23:12 < bazinga> (ooh ooh ooh!)
23:12 < Revent> *blinks* Wow, raw nerve...
23:12 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng: you are NOT the dj. i'm sorry.
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23:14 < SuicidalZerg> At least 20 children dead from that tornado
23:15 < Revent> :(
23:15 < Revent> Yeah, F4 is pretty serious.
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23:16 < Revent> That's on the 'tornado says"No, fuck your silly storm shelter"' level.
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23:17 < Revent> (lots of strom shelters are /really/ bad)
23:17 < Revent> *storm
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23:18 < Bsadowski1> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971104_484072905003125_555677397_n.png
23:18 < Bsadowski1> lol
23:18 < Bsadowski1> what
23:18 < Revent> The case of the ones out in the texas panhandle that floated out of their holes during the thunderstorm a few years back being the example.
23:18 < Bsadowski1> NSFW ^
23:18 < Bsadowski1> kids, do not click pls
23:18 < Revent> *rolls*
23:19 < Revent> Yeah, eHarmony tries to be 'classy.
23:19 < bazinga> Bsadowski1: something similar happened to me once
23:19 < bazinga> i signed my friend up on christian mingle
23:19 < Bsadowski1> what
23:19 < bazinga> he got a bunch of fat people requesting him, and he had a really offensive profile
23:21 < Revent> *wows* My target backlog actually went 'down' overnight. (yay)
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23:24 < SuicidalZerg> http://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=I4kAREdLiWo&s=0&e=145
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23:30 < Bsadowski1> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3172/
23:30 < Bsadowski1> :o
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23:31 < Revent> Heh.
23:33 < bazinga> honestly, anyone who uses siri/google now looks like an idiot
23:33 < bazinga> typing is usually much faster
23:33 < Revent> (lols) and of course lmgtfy.com
23:35 < Revent> as is... http://bit.ly/17X6YeD
23:35 < Revent> *in
23:35 < Theo10011> Google Now is horrible though, it's only voice search. No personality/assistant like Siri. :S
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23:40 < Revent> *hrms* Anyone else notice that 'javascript' gadgets hide now if you click off of them?
23:40 < Revent> (I mean disappear, but are still 'there' filled out in the background) It's new behavior for me...
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23:41 < mareklug> eHarmony has no sense of crude humor
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23:46 < Revent> (chuckles) Oh, I'm sure the people who /work/ there are quite amused. :)
23:47 < Revent> Their office bulletin board is probably... 'interesting'.
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23:54 < SudoGhost> If someone just straight-up removes a section from a BLP article despite the fact that it's completely verifable and sourced, that's covered under "Illegitamate blanking" in [[WP:VANDTYPES]] and is exempt from 3RR, right?
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