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Session Start: Thu Jan 17 01:22:58 2013
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[01:22] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[01:22] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | Cloak requests:�'
�03[01:22] * Set by jeremyb!~jeremyb@wikimedia/jeremyb on Sat Dec 01 19:53:06
[01:22] #wikipedia-en url is
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[02:20] <Penwhale> Steven_Zhang: rawr
[02:20] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[02:23] <Steven_Zhang> is it just me, or has hillary aged a lot in the last 4 years?
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[02:41] <PeterSJC> How can I make a cross-wikilink from my new WikiVoyage user page to my English Wikipedia home page? I tried [[:en:wikipedia:user:Peter Chastain|English Wikipedia user page]] but that didn't work.
[02:42] <Nascar1996> hmmm
[02:42] <jubo2> PeterSJC: It should be [[w:User:Peter Chastain]]
[02:43] <jubo2> PeterSJC: It's called Interwiki linking
[02:43] <PeterSJC> jubo: nothing to indicate that it is the English version?
[02:43] <jubo2> you can specify
[02:43] <jubo2> shit.. client autoexpanded that
[02:44] <jubo2> alors..
[02:44] <jubo2> [ [ w:en:User:Someuser ] ] ( without the extra spaces )
[02:44] <PeterSJC> jubo2: Thanks!
[02:45] <jubo2> np
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[04:18] <DFrostedGirl> Good morning :D
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[07:07] <DFrostedGirl> oh net split again
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[07:07] <DFrostedGirl> :p
[07:08] <ZzZombo> AAAA
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[07:09] <DFrostedGirl> o.O
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[07:44] <Stelpa> ello, not sure how urgent this is:
[07:44] <Stelpa> they keep vandalizing the article "Character Map"
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[07:46] <Superfreak> Stelpa: You can report vandalism here:
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[07:46] <Stelpa> thank you, Superfreak
[07:46] <Superfreak> Stelpa: You're welcome.
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[08:34] <jakr> It it ok to make an article about an 'app'
[08:35] <Mono[Cloud]> jakr: if it's notable (ie covered by the press)
[08:35] <jakr> Mono[Cloud], it sure it
[08:35] <jakr> it sure is*
[08:35] <Mono[Cloud]> What is it called?
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[08:36] <jakr> I forgot how, but theres a way to create an article by bypasing the request for article.  Instead I think you make it in your userspace?
[08:36] <jakr> Mono[Cloud], MFP
[08:37] <Mono[Cloud]> Let me get you a link.
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[08:38] <Mono[Cloud]> jakr: Do you have an account? If so, what is your username?
[08:39] <jakr> quacod
[08:39] <Mono[Cloud]> Just a moment...
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[08:42] <Mono[Cloud]> jakr: You should be able to simply create the article in the mainspace. If you know the requirements, just create it in the mainspace - but I highly recommend having someone else look at it at
[08:42] <jakr> Mono[Cloud], will you look at it?
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[08:44] <Mono[Cloud]> I do help out occasionally at AFC, but another reviewer will also be able to help.
[08:44] <Mono[Cloud]> If you create the article, just send me a link and I'll take a look.
[08:44] <skegeek> Interesting nick, Mono[Cloud].
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�06[08:44] * Mono uses IRCCloud
[08:45] <skegeek> Not familiar with IRCCloud
[08:45] <DFrostedGirl> ol
[08:45] <DFrostedGirl> l
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[08:49] <jubo2> IRCCloud provides detachable irc services
[08:50] <skegeek> Is there a stable public API that can be used by installed Windows/Linux applications?
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[08:51] <skegeek> I'm a little curious now, so I'll look it up.
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[08:59] <JohnLewis> Guys, A business should not be classed as ended because they have gone into administration? Since they are still trading and active right.
[09:00] <skegeek> What do you mean by 'gone into administration'?
[09:00] <JohnLewis> *Sorry, Not ending. Defunct.
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[09:01] <JohnLewis> Administration is a process a business goes into if it is unable to debts.
[09:02] <JohnLewis> pay debts
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[09:02] <JohnLewis> Or in other terms: Liquidation.
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[09:02] <JohnLewis> Wait, Not liquidation. Its not at that stage yet.
[09:04] <skegeek> In other words, executives of such a company are doing future planning and/or paperwork instead of actively serving customers. Correct?
[09:05] <JohnLewis> No.
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[09:11] <jakr> Mono, should I find a project to put the article in?
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[09:13] <skegeek> Do you mean administration is a process if a business is unable to pay -any- debts or only a portion?
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[09:15] <Qcoder00> More snow for the UK - Yeah!
[09:15] <Qcoder00> but of course one has to ask the question. How many disabled will freeze Mr Cameron?
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[09:22] <Four7-street> uf
[09:22] <Four7-street> :S
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[09:36] <jakr> How do I cite a source that cites a quote?
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[09:36] <jakr> Do I put quotes only around the quote and paraphrase the rest?
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[09:37] <JohnLewis> Qcoder00: Yep, Can see the snow outside now...
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[09:38] <Qcoder00> Any pictures?
[09:38] <JohnLewis> Not yet.
[09:39] <JohnLewis> Ill show you some tomorrow when the supposed 6 inches fall.
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[09:40] <Corinth> jakr, in English style guides, you can quote both the original and the derivative text with single quotation marks followed by double quotation marks, or vice versa.
[09:40] <Corinth> The important point is simply to adopt a consistent style.
[09:40] <jakr> Why are only some of my references showing up in References section?
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[09:40] <Corinth> Improper formatting?
[09:40] <jakr> Corinth,
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[09:42] <Corinth> Are you sure that you meant to use the ref group template?
[09:42] <Qcoder00> 6inches ?
[09:42] <Qcoder00> Where..
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[09:42] <Qcoder00> I'd heard 1/2 inch claims for the South East...
[09:45] <Qcoder00> Also I'm very disapointed with YouTube
[09:45] <jakr> Corinth, no, should I have done ref name?
[09:45] <Corinth> jakr, should work with ref name.
[09:45] <jakr> Corinth, how do i fix it?
[09:46] <Qcoder00> They are apparently allowed someone to upload a video called 'Auswitch - The Shocking Hidden Truth'  which proved to be anything but ...  Duly flagged and I hope the user gets kicked off the site
[09:46] <jakr> oh leave it in the same order but change group to name?
[09:46] <Corinth> Yes.
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[09:46] <Qcoder00> Free speech is wonderful , but YouTube cannot seriosuly want to support Holocaust deniers...
[09:47] <jakr> Corinth, cool, thanks, can you 'review' the article
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[09:47] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: You think putting their video up is "supporting" them? :-P
[09:48] <Dcoetzee> Any video like that is going to get torn apart in the comments and plenty of dislikes.
[09:48] <Qcoder00> Dcetzee :Comments were disabled ... I wonder why
[09:48] <Qcoder00> XD
[09:48] <Dcoetzee> Heh
[09:49] <Dcoetzee> If I were Google I'd not take it down but I would enable comments let them have a little fun with it :-P
[09:49] <JohnLewis> Qcode00: 6 inches are supposed to fall in the region of Notinghamshire and Yorkshire.
[09:49] <JohnLewis> If you were Google, We'll all be screwed Dcoetzee.
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[09:49] <Dcoetzee> JohnLewis: Huh?
[09:49] <Dcoetzee> I wouldn't abuse your private data :-P
[09:50] <Qcoder00> The Historical evidence FOR the Holocaust is undeniable... and  the tactics used by deniers  should be an insult to peoples rationale inteligence
[09:50] <JohnLewis> Google never did. You would though I bet.
[09:50] <Dcoetzee> Why would you say something like that?
[09:50] <jakr> can someone please 'review' the article
[09:50] <Dcoetzee> I respect people's privacy...
[09:50] <JohnLewis> I suppose I trust you...
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[09:53] <Qcoder00> JohnLewis: People trusted Google
[09:53] <Qcoder00> People Trusted Microsoft
[09:53] <Qcoder00> People trusted Sony
[09:53] <Qcoder00> People even trust HMRC ;)
[09:53] <Dcoetzee> I still trust Google. Because I have to :-P
[09:54] <JohnLewis> I still trust Google becasue face it... Its based on Googol :P
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[09:55] <jakr> can someone please 'review' the article
[09:56] <Qcoder00> jakr: Patience :)
[09:56] <Qcoder00> It will get reviewed eventually
[09:56] <DFrostedGirl> i think its ok
[09:56] <DFrostedGirl> :O
[09:57] <jakr> thanks
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[09:57] <Four7-street> jakr: its a app for androide
[09:58] <Four7-street> ¿¿
[09:58] <jakr> Four7-street, app for all smartphones
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[09:58] <Four7-street> jakr: good good
[09:58] <Four7-street> :D
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[10:00] <Moe_Epsilon> CNN: "Russian mob boss assassinated, search is on for the killer"
�06[10:00] * Moe_Epsilon facepalm
[10:02] <Dcoetzee> Well everyone has the right to equal protection under the law
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[10:06] <Qcoder00> Unless you work for Haliburton
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[10:10] <JohnLewis> What do people think about the recent 787 Dreamliners from Boeing scares?
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[10:11] <Qcoder00> Boeing doesn't screw up like that does it?
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[10:12] <BlastHardcheese> I think we should all PANIC
[10:12] <JohnLewis> Well most countries grounded all Boeing 787 Dreamliners due to the Japanese event plus 7 others in the past week.
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[10:14] <Dcoetzee> JohnLewis: They're very conservative about these things, so I think grounding them is the right decision but there was probably no likely immediate danger of loss of life
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[10:16] <JohnLewis> Not likely Dcoetzee. Problems in the past week have included Fuel leaks; cracked cockpit window; brake problems; electrical fires and a battery malfunction.
[10:16] <Dcoetzee> ...well that's concerning
[10:17] <Moe_Epsilon> are they by chance held together by duct tape?
[10:18] <JohnLewis> Not duct tape but they are made for new experimental materials that passed testing in the Boeing locations.
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[10:19] <Moe_Epsilon> The average customer is unlikely to be pleased with the word experimental in their plane materials :p
[10:20] <JohnLewis> But the FAA are just saying 'This plane is safe! No problems here!'
[10:20] <Dcoetzee> Well I suppose it's possible the faults so far were just an unlucky coincidence
[10:21] <Dcoetzee> That they're faults that happen with all planes but happened to occur close together in time on this plane
[10:21] <JohnLewis> Very unlucky.
[10:21] <Dcoetzee> Still deserves an investigation though
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[10:22] <JohnLewis> The FAA, Boeing and Japanese Inspectors are all at work.
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[10:23] <JohnLewis> I see Facebook are shipping a new iPhone feature. Allowing users to call anyone in the US on an iPhone for free.
[10:23] <Dcoetzee> Yup... not that that's interesting at all
[10:23] <Dcoetzee> Considering Skype has done the same for years
[10:23] <Dcoetzee> On multiple platforms
[10:24] <JohnLewis> There are two more interesting stories.
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[10:24] <JohnLewis> 'Burger case prosecutions possible.' and 'Girl, 12, made ot have abortion'.
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[10:25] <Dcoetzee> ...
[10:25] <Moe_Epsilon> o_O
[10:25] <Four7-street> O.o
[10:25] <JohnLewis> I assume the two above are directed at the second story?
[10:25] <Dcoetzee> To be fair, it might be a good idea to force a 12 year old to have an abortion to save her life. It's questionable whether she's mature enough to make that decision on her own.
[10:26] <Dcoetzee> But... the necessity of it in the first place is troubling
[10:26] <Nascar1996> :O
[10:26] <Qcoder00> Why is a 12 year old pregnant anyway?
[10:26] <PeterSymonds> Do you want a diagram?
[10:26] <JohnLewis> Qcoder00: Raped by I believe 9 men.
[10:26] <Moe_Epsilon> o_o
[10:26] <Dcoetzee> :-(
[10:26] <DFrostedGirl> :'(
[10:27] <Nascar1996> (
[10:27] <Nascar1996> :(
[10:27] <DFrostedGirl> :|
[10:27] <JohnLewis> They deny the charges which is stupid and the trial is due to end, April 2013.
[10:27] <JohnLewis> BY charges: It is 51 charges each.
[10:27] <Moe_Epsilon> I'm pretty sure anyone is going to deny that
[10:28] <JohnLewis> Anyone would deny it indeed.
[10:28] <jakr> Mono, you tricked me. I didnt want to request my article to be created
[10:29] <jakr> i dont want to wait
[10:30] <JohnLewis> Oh and Dalepak may be charged on criminal accounts on their recent mess up.
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[10:32] <Dcoetzee> I wish I had a local Wikipedian friend I could get to video the medical procedure I'm undergoing today for Commons :-/
[10:33] <Moe_Epsilon> Dcoetzee what kind of procedure?
[10:33] <JohnLewis> Why not... Recruit someone else? Or mayber as a 'commoner' :P
[10:33] <Corinth> If it involves surgery in a theatre, then it's unlikely that  they'd be provided access.
[10:34] <Dcoetzee> They probably wouldn't allow it anyway, but I don't think it's a theatre, just a minor in-office procedure
[10:35] <Dcoetzee> It's so hard to get freely licensed media of medical procedures in general. Even minor ones.
[10:35] <Corinth> Removing  stitches, physical exams, and electrographs all spring to mind.
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[10:36] <Dcoetzee> Maybe there are medical offices that keep footage of procedures for educational purposes and with the patient's permission they'd consider releasing them
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[10:37] <Corinth> That's conceivable if it's a training hospital.
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[11:04] <Mike_HH> happy birthday grandma <3
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[11:32] <Dcoetzee> Some songs have really really weird names
[11:32] <Dcoetzee> LyricsBot just processed one called  "10 Chicken Wangs And a Bottle of Dom"
[11:32] <JohnLewis> What the hell?
[11:33] <The_Blade> Every so often I'll listen to Cannibal Corpse, they have some real dandies.
[11:34] <Mono> Dcoetzee: my data plan costs 2x more than my phone
[11:34] <Dcoetzee> Mono: :-( What country are you in?
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[11:38] <wolfgang42> NiFls1012
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[11:43] <wolfgang42> ...shoot. I should really start paying better attention to where I'm typing in my password...
[11:44] <legoktm> .....
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[11:45] <wolfgang42> Fortunately, that's an old password that I only use for one account, and I just changed it
[11:45] <JohnLewis> Wolfgang42: Maybe if that was your password... Don't kind of announce.
[11:45] <PeterSymonds> Yeah just pretend it was a random outburst.
[11:45] <YuviPanda> wolfgang42: sure, that's what you'd have us all believe
[11:45] <wolfgang42> I only announced after I changed
[11:46] <YuviPanda> well, you could've been looking for someone named NiFls1012
[11:46] <Qcoder00> Back
[11:47] <wolfgang42> Good point. I'll have to remember that trick in the future
[11:48] <Qcoder00> Dalepak are going to be prosecuted? For what?
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[11:48] <Qcoder00> Surely you can't send someone to jail for using horse meat if it's actuall edible...
[11:49] <JohnLewis> Supplying British Beef Burgers which had Horse and Pig.
[11:49] <JohnLewis> It was a pure accident but the Health Department claim it is a possible health risk and it can be classed as false advertising.
[11:49] <Qcoder00> Ouch
[11:50] <wolfgang42> The problem is that when I wake up my computer it displays a black screen before it shows the `enter password' window
[11:50] <Qcoder00> Not to mention that some communites might have thier own 'judgements' on the firms involved
[11:50] <JohnLewis> The government are saying they may decide not to make any criminal charges but if they decide not to, they would just get a warning.
[11:50] <Qcoder00> Horse meat is a Health risk?
[11:51] <JohnLewis> Apparently.
[11:51] <wolfgang42> So I usually enter my password then to speed the process up... except that when I've been using an external monitor it displays a black screen and puts what I type into whatever happens to be open that I can't see
[11:51] <Qcoder00> BUT A number of other EU countries consume horse-flesh, and I've not heard of any major health scandals...
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[11:52] <Qcoder00> Nothing comparable to  BSE ,  bugs in Chicken etc...
[11:53] <JohnLewis> We know. THe government said it was a possible risk, though not likely plus with the event false advertising and consumer regulations being breached a criminal charge can be filed by the government or any of the five affected super markets.
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[11:54] <JohnLewis> Supermarkets: (Some may not be considered 'super') Tesco; Iceland; Lidl; Aldi; Dunnes
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[11:55] <Qcoder00> After all austerirty means cuts for everyone and 'Every Little Helps!"
[11:56] <JohnLewis> Yep, We cant afford 100% British Beef so... Have this 100% British Beef, Horse and Pig Burger!
[11:58] <Franco|Andro> hey, does anyone know if we have any gender-specific placeholder usernames?
[11:58] <Franco|Andro> I need to make some testcases for a template that uses the {{gender}} parser
[11:58] <JohnLewis> The health department said that if they didnt advertsie '100% British Beef' there would be no case here, nothing criminal atleast.
[11:59] <Franco|Andro> ...anybody?
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[12:00] <JohnLewis> Also BBC Breakfast celebrated their 30th year running at 6:30 am today.
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[12:02] <Franco|Andro> Susan: You know all that fancy technical stuff... Do you know? (See above question)
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[12:05] <legoktm> Franco|Andro: I don't think any of our uw-* templates take gender into account.
[12:05] <Franco|Andro> not a warning
[12:06] <legoktm> I don't think any other templates do either...
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[12:07] <Franco|Andro>,_R.I.P. Floated the idea at [[Talk:Aaron Swartz]], and got positive feedback.
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[12:07] <Franco|Andro> (link doesn't work because there's a period at the end)
[12:07] <Franco|Andro> :P
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[12:08] <Demiurge1000> doesn't WP:DONTTEMPLATETHEDEAD exist yet?
[12:09] <Franco|Andro> hahaha. it's because {{Connected contributor}} is written like a fucking All-Points Bulletin
[12:09] <Franco|Andro> So I thought it'd be good to have a way of saying "Hey, they have a userpage" without saying "You guize, you guize, watch out for COI"
[12:09] <Franco|Andro> since dead people can't really self-promote all too well
[12:10] <Franco|Andro> (when I'm done with this I'll move on to coming up with some versions of {{Connected contributor}} that are a bit less persecutorial
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[12:19] <geniice> hmm we appear to lack an article on Catfishing
[12:20] <mareklug> today is the first time I heard that term, on CNN
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[12:22] <geniice> ja
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[12:23] <geniice> the closest term I'm familiar with is Münchausen by Internet
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[12:25] <The_Blade> That's a little different, though; Münchausen by Internet is more about pretending you have some sort of condition, not pretending to be someone else entirely.
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[12:26] <Franco|Andro> Would an admin mind blocking [[User:Example male]] and [[User:Example female]]? I only created them to test out a template I'm working on that uses the {{gender}} parser.
[12:26] <Franco|Andro> see and for verification
[12:26] <mareklug> so define this cat fishing, because I am under the misapprehension that it means pretending to have a relationship, not being duped into thinking by someone that they are your gf/bf whatever
[12:27] <Franco|Andro> is the condition a reference to the movie, or vice versa?
[12:27] <The_Blade> Which condition?
[12:27] <geniice> mareklug I think its the second one
[12:27] <Franco|Andro> sorry. not condition. blah. the term, i mean
[12:27] <Franco|Andro> catfishing
[12:27] <geniice> "tricking people into online relationships with fictional personas"
[12:28] <geniice> 	Franco|Andro no reason tyo block
[12:28] <mareklug> ah, like pretending you are a girl on a wikipedia channel? :)
[12:29] <Franco|Andro> geniice: I created them, though. And the passwords are a lot less secure than my usual one, and there's no reason I'll ever need to edit with them.
[12:29] <geniice> Franco|Andro so scramble the passwords and have done with it	
[12:29] <Franco|Andro> i seriously can't request for them to be blocked? :(
[12:29] <geniice> mareklug wikipedians don't generaly form relationships inline or otherwise
[12:29] <Franco|Andro> (passwords are still always hackable)
[12:30] <geniice> Franco|Andro admins prefer not to block
[12:30] <Franco|Andro> [[User:ArbCom]] is blocked...
[12:30] <geniice> well yes but that name could cause troubl
[12:30] <geniice> example male not so much
[12:30] <Franco|Andro> *sighs* okay
[12:30] <mareklug> example male is a fine and funny even username.  it should be released back into the pool
[12:33] <Franco|Andro> haha if someone ever wants to usurp it, i'll let them, as long as they set their gender to male
[12:33] <mareklug> no, that;s the funny part.  i would encourage you to release it to a biological female, and vice versa.
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[12:34] <Franco|Andro> but then the testcases wouldn't work!
[12:37] <mareklug> the test cases will work just fine.  see Annette Peackok's "Real and defined androgens" off of X-dreams album
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[13:17] <jakr> Mono, ?
[13:17] <jakr> Mono, are you there?
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[13:24] <Qcoder00> leogktm:ping?
[13:24] <Qcoder00> Bot fixed?
[13:24] <legoktm> Hi, about to go to class in a minute, whats up?
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[13:24] <legoktm> No, I left an update on [[User talk:Legobot]]
[13:24] <Qcoder00> OK
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[13:30] <SuicidalZerg> You're not supposed to use sulfuric acid in metal plumbing, right?
[13:31] <Qcoder00> Erm?
[13:31] <Qcoder00> Context?
[13:31] <SuicidalZerg> Drains
[13:32] <Qcoder00> Use of H2S04  in drains wouldn't be advisable in my view...
[13:32] <Qcoder00> Domestic drains I'm assuming?
[13:32] <SuicidalZerg> Yes.
[13:32] <SuicidalZerg> And apparently my father doesn't know shit about taht.
[13:32] <Qcoder00> I'm not sure how corrisive it is though...
[13:33] <SuicidalZerg> Because he used it last night, and now the damn pipe is leaking.
[13:33] <Qcoder00> but I was told not to put Sulphuric down the lab drains in school
[13:34] <WikiJunkie> Where can I find users or admins who focus on the development of Wikivoyage? Is there a chat room which is dedicated only to that?
[13:35] <geniice> #Wikivoyage
[13:35] <geniice> SuicidalZerg sulhpric acid will eat through metal given time
[13:36] <jakr> How come this number isnt changing: There are currently 297 submissions waiting for review at this page.
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[13:40] <wolfgang42> jakr: You need to purge the page
[13:40] <wolfgang42> Tack ?action=purge on the end of the URL
[13:40] <jakr> wolfgang42, how?
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[13:40] <wolfgang42> ^
[13:41] <jakr> wolfgang42, the number went up?
[13:41] <jakr> wtf
[13:42] <jakr> wolfgang42, before I purged, there were 297 submissions before me, how there are 302 submissions before me? wtf
[13:42] <JohnLewis> More Submissions.
[13:43] <jakr> JohnLewis, why are they before me?
[13:43] <Demiurge1000> jakr: That's not "before". That's just total.
[13:43] <JohnLewis> They are not. Just total.
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[13:43] <jakr> some guy tricked me into this review. I just want to make the article
[13:46] <wolfgang42> jakr: Some of them are after you; there's no way for the software to tell
[13:46] <jakr> f this
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[13:57] <Superfreak> JohnLewis: Are you named after the department store?
[13:58] <JohnLewis> No. But that is the third time on this channel I have had that :)
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[13:59] <Vacation9> hi all
[13:59] <JohnLewis> Hola
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[13:59] <Superfreak> JohnLewis: Sorry to be a pain, I had to ask. ;)
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[14:00] <JohnLewis> Your not a pain, Just a Superfreak :P
[14:01] <geniice> I like the way none of our camera type articles lead with canon or nikon cameras
[14:01] <Swob> why not?
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[14:02] <geniice> Swob because canon vs nikon is best avoided
[14:04] <mattbuck> pentax ftw :p
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[14:04] <Prodego> free money
[14:05] <geniice> mattbuck our DSLR article does lead with a pentax pic but thats only because its the lovable criple of the camera world
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[14:06] <jakr> JohnLewis, are you User:John ?
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[14:06] <JohnLewis> User:John F. Lewis
[14:06] <JohnLewis> Look at my cloak.
[14:08] <Swob> oh hey
[14:08] <Swob> JohnChrysostom is back
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[14:08] <jakr> JohnLewis, it says you do review on your user page. Can you please review my article for creation
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[14:09] <JohnLewis> jakr: Once I have time. I am trying to deal with cookies in PHP and the best example is in a language I dont know. Ruby.
[14:10] <jakr> JohnLewis, its not a long article it wont take long
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[14:12] <JohnLewis> Get rid of the 'Subject of my article...' and add an infobox and I may be an easy pass.
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[14:29] <jakr> JohnLewis, kk
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[14:31] <jakr> JohnLewis, which infobox?
[14:31] <JohnLewis> Find an appropriate one
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[14:33] <jakr> JohnLewis, its not a diet like Paleo Diet
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[14:34] <jakr> JohnLewis, would the software infobox work?
[14:34] <JohnLewis> Possibly.
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[14:39] <jakr> JohnLewis, i cant find info about the developers or version of software
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[14:45] <BarkingFish> Does anyone have a holiday home they can rent to me? Preferably somewhere warm, like the Sahara, Doha, Death Valley...
[14:46] <BarkingFish> I need heat :)
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[14:49] <Swob> 10C in Death Valley right now
[14:49] <BarkingFish> fuck. let's try Doha
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[14:50] <BarkingFish> bugger. it's only 17 there.
[14:50] <Swob> why not Australia?
[14:50] <BarkingFish> i was thinking of what i imagine to be the hottest places on earth
[14:51] <Swob> actually wait, the Death Valley station that uses is a mountain station.  even deep in the valley, though, its not a whole lot warmer
[14:51] <BarkingFish> Deserts, Qatar, Death Valley, etc
[14:51] <Swob>
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[14:54] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:  Natural or created?
[14:54] <BarkingFish> natural
[14:54] <Swob> Dallol, Ethiopia may be the hottest place on Earth
[14:54] <Swob> or is it in Eritrea now?
[14:55] <Swob> I think still Ehtiopia
[14:55] <Qcoder00>
[14:55] <BarkingFish> i mean i could set up a tent on a ledge inside eyjafjallajökull - that would keep me nice and toasty
[14:55] <Gfoley4> lolwat
[14:55] <Qcoder00> Speaking of extremes
[14:55] <BarkingFish> but it'd be a bitch if it went off again
[14:55] <Swob>,_Ethiopia#Climate
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[14:55] <Swob> hot enough for ya
[14:56] <Qcoder00> I assume the coldest location on Earth is in a specialist lab
[14:56] <Four7-street> Hi
[14:56] <Four7-street> I want ask something,a user registered
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[14:56] <Four7-street> can remove all talks
[14:56] <Four7-street> from his user talk page
[14:56] <Four7-street> ?
[14:56] <BarkingFish> woohoo! Perfect, Swob
[14:56] <for_> archive yes Farby
[14:56] <BarkingFish> yes, Four7-street - you have the right to remove anything from your talk page
[14:57] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:  Does Wikipedia have a section for World Records?
[14:57] <Four7-street> mmm I was in other Wikipedia and the users can't remove talks
[14:57] <BarkingFish> which wikipedia, Four7-street?
[14:57] <Four7-street> mm forget
[14:57] <Four7-street> :p
[14:57] <Four7-street> maybe now is not a valid rule there
[14:57] <Qcoder00> I also wonder if there a stats about Wikipedians that are notable ;)
[14:58] <Qcoder00> Like the oldest active contirbutor and so on
[14:58] <Swob> jimbo is oldest
[14:58] <Four7-street> They used to say "the talks should be visible to users" can only remove the talks, whether to archive
[14:58] <Four7-street> :p
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[14:59] <BarkingFish> The only problem with living in Dallol, Swob - is that it's a ghost town miles from anywhere.
[14:59] <BarkingFish> granted, i'd have the whole place to myself, but i wouldn't survive long
[14:59] <Swob> I read a story from a journalist who lived there for a while
[15:00] <Swob> there's still plenty of people there, they just dont live in the town
[15:00] <Swob> theyre nomads
[15:00] <BarkingFish> brb
[15:01] <Swob>
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[15:01] <Qcoder00> Evenign BarkingFish
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[15:02] <Franco|Andro> can someone settle this for me and Gwickwire: how long do you guys think it would take ArbCom to emergency desysop a compromised admin account?
[15:03] <Swob> it has happened pretty near instantly in the past
[15:03] <Prodego> arbcom wouldn't do it
[15:03] <Swob> but thats because the guy was actually blocking people
[15:03] <Prodego> well it would depend
[15:03] <Swob> and yeah it might not have been Arbcom
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[15:03] <Prodego> basically very fast if arbcom doesn't have to do it
[15:03] <Franco|Andro> I contend that they can do it in a minute flat if they have enough people on IRC
[15:04] <gwickwire> Has Franco told you why we're 'arguing' about this?
[15:04] <Franco|Andro> the policy definitely is that they only need 3 votes to desysop in unequivocal cases
[15:04] <Prodego> Franco|Andro: well that's because it isn't so much that arbcom would do it, as it is that some steward  (or I guess now crat) would just say, hmm, I should desysop this
[15:04] <Swob> RickK was blocked 2 minutes after the guy who hacked his account admitted it
[15:04] <Prodego> if you are more subtle then it will take longer
[15:04] <Franco|Andro> true
[15:05] <QueenOfFrance> Swob: block means nothing
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[15:05] <Swob> oh, right
[15:05] <Prodego> arbcom is slow, unilateral action is not
[15:05] <Franco|Andro> yes, though, gwickwire has an interesting point that i've turned into this little tangent on emergency desysops
[15:05] <Swob> you said 'desysop'
[15:05] <QueenOfFrance> Prodego: actually, only a steward can do it given the wording of the policy
[15:05] <QueenOfFrance> it's not 'crats
[15:05] <Swob> I dont know who does that
[15:05] <Prodego> QueenOfFrance: technical power is all the power you need
[15:06] <QueenOfFrance> Prodego: well, chances are it's faster to find a steward than a 'crat
[15:06] <Prodego> maybe
[15:06] <Prodego> whichever saw first would do it
[15:06] <Franco|Andro> well, have any admins even been insta-desysopped since the policy on Level-1 removals was written?
[15:06] <Prodego> how did Tan get desysoped?
[15:06] <Prodego> that was via arbcom
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[15:07] <Franco|Andro> who?
[15:07] <Swob> heh
[15:07] <Swob> Tan.
[15:07] <Swob> he was funny
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[15:07] <Swob> I miss him
[15:07] <Franco|Andro> ?
[15:07] <Swob> and yeah definitely Arbcom
[15:07] <Prodego> Swob: I didn't like him very much on account of the whole blocking me thing
[15:07] <Swob> no sorry
[15:07] <Swob> User:Tanthalas39
[15:08] <Swob> i still check his page every few months to see if he's made any edits. He hasnt
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[15:08] <Franco|Andro> Prodego: he blocked you? :(
[15:09] <Prodego> Well I blocked him for harassment or personal attacks or something, and then he unblocked himself and blocked me
[15:09] <Franco|Andro> shit
[15:09] <gwickwire> He wheel-warred on himself.
[15:10] <Prodego> eh, it doesn't really matter, though it wasn't a very smart move
[15:10] <Prodego> could have used an unblock request instead
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[15:10] <Franco|Andro> yeah. isn't it against policy?
[15:10] <gwickwire> Bah, if we don't want admins unblocking themselves we shouldn't give them 'unblock' bit :P
[15:11] <Swob> it is, yes
[15:11] <Swob> I've heard it's now impossible to unblock yourself
[15:11] <Swob> the software wont allow it
[15:11] <gwickwire> Swob: Don't say that, we'll repeat DDMP
[15:11] <Prodego> it does, I believe
[15:11] <Franco|Andro> it's definitely disable-able - "unselfblock", i think the extension is called
[15:11] <Prodego> last I checked you could unblock yourself
[15:12] <Prodego> there was a bug where you couldn't for a while
[15:12] <Franco|Andro> only one way to find out, fellas!
[15:12] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - "When I explained my job and circumstances for being late, and my professor said missing lab day would still result in zero credit"
[15:12] <Peter-C>
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[15:12] <BarkingFish> Prodego, i raised this a night or two back - you *can* unblock yourself per the software, but my understanding is that you're not allowed to - there's no point in blocking an admin if they can take their own block off :)
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[15:13] <Prodego> oh yes, you aren't allowed to, unless you obviously were blocked by mistake
[15:13] <Prodego> such as if you blocked yourself, though they made that harder by adding an extra checkbox
[15:13] <BarkingFish> I blocked myself on tpi.wikipedia when I first got admin there about 4 years ago - i would have unblocked myself, but I got told I wasn't supposed to, and I had to wait for a steward to undo it :)
[15:14] <gwickwire> Okay, just a poll here, if anyone knows User:BradPatrick my understanding is he used to work for WMF. For said work, he was given the 'admin' bit. He has since stopped working for the WMF, and hasn't had any logged admin actions in quite a few years (07 I think?). Should he be desysopped pending an RfA or consensus, or should he be allowed to keep it.
[15:14] <Franco|Andro> BarkingFish: as I said, I believe different wikis can enable or disable unselfblock as they wish
[15:14] <BarkingFish> gwickwire, imo he should be desysopped
[15:14] <Prodego> gwickwire: who cares
[15:14] <legoktm> The unblockself right isn't active on enwp.
[15:14] <Prodego> he isn't doing anything, so leave it alone
[15:14] <Franco|Andro> but yes, Gwickwire actually has an important question
[15:14] <legoktm> Er as in you can unblock yourself if you wanted.
[15:14] <gwickwire> The question, in fact, which prompted our whole discussion here.
[15:14] <Franco|Andro> indeed
[15:15] <Franco|Andro> he hasn't used his admin bit since '07
[15:15] <BarkingFish> he was given admin for work with the WMF, he no longer works with the WMF, he doesn't need the bit
[15:15] <Franco|Andro> mhmm. and it was before they had the Staff right, tooo
[15:15] <Swob> he can be desysopped in three years
[15:15] <Franco|Andro> *too
[15:15] <Swob> the 3-year "no acitivity" thing isnt retroactive
[15:15] <BarkingFish> I was given access to the foundation wiki during the 2010 fundraiser. When it finished, I lost access there.
[15:15] <Franco|Andro> Swob: not as long as he's editing, he can't
[15:15] <gwickwire> However, I feel that we should give him a chance to open a RfA and see if he can keep it that way.
[15:15] <Swob> oh he's still editing? then no
[15:16] <Franco|Andro> yeah, like 3-4 edits a month. most recently on my talk page!
[15:16] <legoktm> if he's still editing and hasn't broken anything yet, whats the problem?
[15:16] <Swob> even if he probably wouldnt pass an RfA today we cant take his access away
[15:16] <legoktm> WP:IAR
[15:16] <gwickwire> ^
[15:16] <BarkingFish> i'd back that, gwickwire - he didn't get admin by consensus, we should recall him and make him go through an rfa if he wants to keep it
[15:16] <Franco|Andro> on the other hand, he's ex-Executive Director, so if he says "mine!" it wouldn't be very fun to fight over it
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[15:16] <BarkingFish> legoktm, the problem is he didn't get it by consensus
[15:16] <gwickwire> Anyone outright oppose to me making a request for him to voluntarily RfA/relinquish bit on his talkpage?
[15:16] <legoktm> so?
[15:17] <Swob> gwickwire: yes, me
[15:17] <legoktm> Jimbo sysopped a bunch of people in 2001
[15:17] <legoktm> Not by consensus
[15:17] <gwickwire> Swob, can I ask why?
[15:17] <legoktm> Do we de-sysop those?
[15:17] <BarkingFish> gwickwire, go right ahead.
[15:17] <Swob> seriously, dont do it
[15:17] <BarkingFish> I don't mind :)
[15:17] <legoktm> It's a waste of time
[15:17] <Franco|Andro> legoktm: this is different. he got it from Philippe for Foundation work, before the Staff right existed
[15:17] <Franco|Andro> *not Philippe. Danny.
[15:17] <legoktm> Franco|Andro: I know that.
[15:17] <BarkingFish> Jimbo had founder back then, he doesn't now.
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[15:17] <gwickwire> *He got it from Danny, for Foundation work
[15:17] <legoktm> BarkingFish: He still does.
[15:17] <Franco|Andro> BarkingFish: yes he still does!
[15:17] <Franco|Andro> just doesn't use it
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[15:18] <gwickwire> *Philippe
[15:18] <Franco|Andro> he only ever gave up 'crat and steward
[15:18] <legoktm> Look.
[15:18] <BarkingFish> Franco|Andro, my understanding is his founder bit was removed, wasn't it? Or was it reworked or some shit?
[15:18] <legoktm> BarkingFish: It wasn't removed.
[15:18] <gwickwire> reworked
[15:18] <Swob> he still has founder access
[15:18] <Franco|Andro> Popups says he has it
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[15:18] <Swob> he made a vow never to block anyone directly
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[15:18] <Franco|Andro> along with sysop, CU, and OS
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[15:18] <gwickwire> Jimbo voluntarily relinquished some 'userrights' he was given through Founder group
[15:18] <Swob> and even that, I think, only applies to en.wikipedia
[15:19] <Franco|Andro> and the global version of Founder
[15:19] <legoktm> Swob: No his rights are global.
[15:19] <Swob> the vow, I mean
[15:19] <gwickwire> If nobody gives me a valid reason to not ask him to relinquish, I'll go and anyone can come behind me and add their signature as seconds.
[15:19] <Swob> not the userright
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[15:19] <Swob> there was some fuss about a block he made once
[15:19] <Franco|Andro> Swob: apparently he's basically never used his founder rights on any other project, though he's technically capable of it.
[15:20] <legoktm> <-- his rights.
[15:20] <Franco|Andro> and I recall that he violated his own blocking moratorium on three unequivocccal occasions
[15:20] <legoktm> Franco|Andro: …he just said he used them on commons!
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[15:20] <Gfoley4> does he have steward?
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[15:20] <Vacation9> I thought it was the mass deletion of child pornography or something?
[15:20] <BarkingFish> ah, ok - i misread - it was raised recently on his talk page as part of another discussion
[15:20] <Franco|Andro> Gfoley4: meta pulled all the WMF folks' steward bits a while baack
[15:20] <Swob> there was no child pornography
[15:20] <legoktm> Gfoley4: Technically no.
[15:20] <legoktm> Franco|Andro: Except they can give themselves steward.
[15:21] <BarkingFish> gwickwire, raise an RFC on it and get consensus or not :)
[15:21] <Vacation9> Swob: thought I heard something where he mass deleted some articles that people saw as censorship
[15:21] <Franco|Andro> haha yeah. it was just a formality
[15:21] <Swob> yeah
[15:21] <gwickwire> BarkingFish: Hell no.
[15:21] <Vacation9> pictures, not articles
[15:21] <BarkingFish> better than asking one or two people, ask a whole bloody load of them :D
[15:21] <Swob> but it wasnt actually child porn. Thats just the story that got into the mass media
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[15:21] <legoktm> Vacation9: Then commons desysopped him.
[15:21] <Franco|Andro> and yeah, yeah, there was that. but he hasn't even edited the vast majority of wikis
[15:21] <Vacation9> Swob: so what was it actually?
[15:21] <Swob> really if we had been hosting child porn dont you think the world would have noticed a long time before 2010?
[15:21] <gwickwire> BarkingFish: I'll start an RfC if someone will come second it.
[15:21] <gwickwire> BarkingFish: I take that back, I'll ask him first.
[15:21] <Franco|Andro> I don't think an RFC is necessary
[15:21] <BarkingFish> gwickwire, why?
[15:21] <Swob> I dont know firsthand, I never saw any of the deleted images myself
[15:22] <Franco|Andro> yeah, that's what i was gonna say
[15:22] <Vacation9> Swob: possibly. I didn't see why people would object to the deletion if it was child porn either.
[15:22] <Swob> but Im sure if there was anything illegal we'd have known it
[15:22] <BarkingFish> You're asking one or two people's opinion, and they can't decide - surely get consensus on it and it'll be better in the long run :)
[15:22] <Swob> and gwickwire sorry
[15:22] <gwickwire> BarkingFish: He may relinquish it willingly, eliminating the need for anything more.
[15:22] <Swob> were you waiting for me
[15:22] <Swob> i got distracted
[15:22] <gwickwire> Swob: Only a bit :P
[15:23] <BarkingFish> i say do it, Swob  says don't do it, just take your pick :D
[15:23] <BarkingFish> my opinion essentially is this: he was given the bit for a job he doesn't do anymore. thus the bit should go when the job stops.
[15:23] <Vacation9> is EVERYBODY afk on wikipedia-en-revdel? :P
[15:23] <gwickwire> BarkingFish: Will you come to his talkpage and second me? I don't like feeling alone :P Plus, with my 3.1k edit count he may not listen.
[15:23] <Franco|Andro> the important thing is being courteous about it, of course
[15:23] <Swob> I just dont think it's fair to take admin from him when he earned it back in 2001, albeit under different rules than we have now
[15:23] <BarkingFish> gwickwire, sure
[15:23] <Vacation9> BarkingFish: what about the 3 year rule developing on enwiki?
[15:23] <Franco|Andro> Swob: it was '05
[15:23] <gwickwire> Swob: He got it in 07
[15:24] <gwickwire> Oh oops 05
[15:24] <BarkingFish> he didn't earn it, Swob - he was given it to do work
[15:24] <Vacation9> Shouldn't that apply here too?
[15:24] <Swob> well even so
[15:24] <BarkingFish> the work has finished, the bit should go
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[15:24] <Franco|Andro> this is why they created the Staff group
[15:24] <Swob> the staff members have admin-like access and they didnt go through RfA's either
[15:24] <Franco|Andro> but he's not on staff anymore!
[15:24] <Vacation9> what's the staff group do?
[15:25] <Franco|Andro> Vaction9: anything they want
[15:25] <BarkingFish> and yes, gwickwire - I will second you.
[15:25] <Franco|Andro> except they get fired if they step out of line
[15:25] <Vacation9> Franco|Andro: Really? They can grant themselves perms?
[15:25] <T-Sweezy> ò_ò
[15:25] <T-Sweezy> xd
[15:25] <Franco|Andro> Vacation9: I think so. I think it's pretty much Dev access
[15:25] <Swob> they have admin access at least
[15:25] <Swob> and that
[15:25] <Swob> depends on the job, probably
[15:25] <Swob> there are some staff members that dont really edit at all
[15:25] <Franco|Andro> oh, maybe not
[15:26] <Swob> i know at minimum they can edit full-protected pages
[15:26] <Franco|Andro> but yeah, they have a fair amount of Steward rights
[15:26] <Swob> and MediaWiki pages
[15:26] <Vacation9> what about
[15:26] <Franco|Andro> they can block, delete, and protect
[15:26] <Franco|Andro> Vacation9: haha or that ;)
[15:26] <Vacation9> Franco|Andro: You're right, look at this Edit all user rights (userrights)
[15:26] <Franco|Andro> bigdelete
[15:26] <Swob> who knows what the v is
[15:27] <Vacation9> They have the edit user right
[15:27] <Vacation9> there is no staffv
[15:27] <Franco|Andro> Swob: from hitting ctrl+v and then taking my finger off ctrl
[15:27] <Swob> oh
[15:27] <Franco|Andro> oh. so that settles it.
[15:27] <Vacation9> they have Oversight perms...
[15:27] <Swob> im surprised it didnt give a 404
[15:27] <Swob>
[15:27] <Swob> i guess you can put anything there
[15:27] <Franco|Andro> shit. even stewards don't have that
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[15:27] <Vacation9> AND CheckUser
[15:27] <Franco|Andro> global OS, that is
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[15:28] <Swob> stewards dont have oversight access?
[15:28] <Franco|Andro> they can self-add
[15:28] <Swob> I think at least they can give themselves it if they need it
[15:28] <Swob> yeah
[15:28] <Franco|Andro> but they don't have it globally
[15:28] <Franco|Andro> unlike Staff and Jimbo
[15:28] <Prodego> they can add it for themselves globally if they want
[15:28] <Prodego> once you can add every userright to yourself the whole thing is sort of moot
[15:29] <Vacation9> ah, Jimbo doesn't have Oversight or Checkuser
[15:29] <Franco|Andro> oh. just locally, i guess
[15:29] <Vacation9> his global rights are admin-level
[15:29] <Franco|Andro> ahh
[15:30] <Franco|Andro> Prodego: hmm... can Stewards edit the global Steward rights page?
[15:30] <Prodego> yes
[15:30] <Franco|Andro> I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't, actually
[15:30] <Vacation9> lol
[15:30] <Prodego> stewards can do anything and sysadmins can do anything
[15:30] <Prodego> I don't think staff can
[15:30] <Gfoley4> No one man should have all that power!
[15:30] <Prodego> staff cannot
[15:31] <BarkingFish> back in a bit, gonna reboot
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[15:31] <Vacation9> Gfoley4: what one man?
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[15:31] <Prodego> domas
[15:31] <Gfoley4> a song
[15:31] <gwickwire> Is anyone going to second, or should I give up as yall are talking about other stuff?
[15:31] <Franco|Andro> oh, yeah. looks like they occasionally add global CU/OS for massive crosswiki actions
[15:31] <Vacation9> gwickwire: I'm neutral, sorry
[15:31] <Franco|Andro> gwickwire: I'd second, but it's probably better coming from an admin
[15:31] <Franco|Andro> (the second, that is)
[15:32] <gwickwire> Right, but having other normal editors is just as well
[15:32] <gwickwire> I'll save it now
[15:32] <Swob> ok
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[15:33] <for_> right uh how was I disc'd?
[15:33] <gwickwire> Anyone can go comment, or refactor my comments if there's any issues (within reason however)
[15:33] <Prodego> on what?
[15:33] <Vacation9> gwickwire: I'll be sure too
[15:33] <Gfoley4> ping timeout
[15:33] <Vacation9> to*
[15:33] <for_> bah
[15:33] <Prodego> for_: ninjas unplugged your ethernet cable
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[15:34] <Vacation9> wow Jimbo's talk page is updated every 10 minutes
[15:34] <for_> So >likely
[15:34] <Vacation9> He's popular
[15:34] <Swob> wb
[15:34] <Vacation9> I wonder why
[15:34] <for_> I can't believe I didn't >notice
[15:34] <mattbuck> yes, I have to keep it on my watchlist, because it's a hangout for the commons-haters
[15:35] <legoktm> mattbuck: :P
[15:35] <legoktm> btw Swob
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[15:37] <Four7-street> o.o
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[15:38] <Vacation9> gwickwire: still posting it?
[15:38] <Vacation9> and why does Jimbo have local sysop if he already has global founder?
[15:38] <legoktm> Vacation9: for completeness.
[15:39] <Vacation9> oh
[15:39] <Franco|Andro> to show up in the logs, too
[15:39] <mattbuck> founder doesn't confer admin rights now I think
[15:39] <Vacation9> global founder does
[15:39] <mattbuck> not after he stormed onto commons and got booted off again
[15:39] <gwickwire> Nope, it doesn't, they removed that on specifically en.wikipeida
[15:39] <Franco|Andro> i wonder if he ever uses like rollback or one of the minor admin rights. or if he really is just effectively a normal user
[15:39] <Vacation9> why if you're giving him sysop?
[15:40] <gwickwire> Anyone going to go second my statement? -hides in corner-
[15:40] <Vacation9> where is it?
[15:40] <Franco|Andro> enwp "Founder" does exactly one thing: allows him to edit all userrights. he's basically like a steward just for enwp
[15:40] <QueenOfFrance> mattbuck:
[15:40] <QueenOfFrance> Franco|Andro: incorrect.
[15:40] <gwickwire>
[15:40] <QueenOfFrance> oh the local one
[15:40] <gwickwire> anyone?
[15:40] <Franco|Andro> QueenOfFrance: yes
[15:41] <Franco|Andro> gwickwire: BarkingFish was going to, but then he disappeared :/
[15:41] <gwickwire> I know :/
[15:41] <Swob> barkingfish said he would, yeah
[15:41] <gwickwire> You going to?
[15:41] <Vacation9> gwickwire: will do
[15:41] <gwickwire> Thanks. :P
[15:41] <QueenOfFrance> yeah the local one is simply edituserrights
[15:41] <Franco|Andro> and in case this goes pear-shaped, I don't wanna disturb the little template chat he and i are having
[15:42] <gwickwire> Ah, I see.
[15:42] <mattbuck> he doesn't have deletion rights then
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[15:42] <Swob> pear-shaped.
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[15:43] <Swob> Cant say Ive heard that one before
[15:43] <Franco|Andro> i'm getting popular. kinda-sorta on the front page of ru.wp one day, chatting with the ex-ED the next ;)
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[15:43] <Franco|Andro> Swob: I think it's something British. idk, I heard it somewhere
[15:43] <Vacation9> gwickwire: done :)
[15:43] <gwickwire> Thanks :)
[15:43] <Franco|Andro> mattbuck: the deletion right comes from the *global* founder bit
[15:43] <mattbuck>
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[15:45] <Swob> Ive only heard it used to describe women
[15:45] <mattbuck> franco, on that page, delete pages is NOT checked
[15:45] <Franco|Andro> or Columbus's image of the world
[15:45] <mattbuck> can view deleted content, but cannot delete stuff
[15:46] <Franco|Andro> mattbuck: oh. maybe he gave it up after the commons fiasco
[15:46] <mattbuck> yes, that's what i was saying
[15:46] <gwickwire> wow.
[15:46] <Franco|Andro> gwickwire: hmm?
[15:46] <gwickwire> Idk
[15:46] <JohnLewis> Good night guys.
[15:46] <Swob> night
[15:46] <Vacation9> gn!
[15:47] <for_> bye
[15:47] <Franco|Andro> now, back to my question? ;)
[15:48] <Swob> there was a question?
[15:48] <for_> who?
[15:49] <Franco|Andro> the one about how long it would take a truly rouge admin to get desysopped
[15:49] <Franco|Andro> like, if they were to start nuking shit right now
[15:49] <for_> probably 5-15 minutes
[15:49] <for_> things can escape attention for a while
[15:49] <for_> I remember vising the current events portal a few months back and it was b0rked by some troll...can't remember the name anymore
[15:49] <Swob> oh ok
[15:50] <Swob> that might have been Pickbothmanlol
[15:50] <Swob> he was smart
[15:50] <for_> weren't they found to be Fluttershy-ENG or something?
[15:50] <Swob> yeah
[15:50] <foks> also PMBL
[15:50] <Swob> Fluttershy is PBML
[15:50] <Franco|Andro> someone linked me to the Signpost article on robdurbar a while back... apparently it took 17 minutes for a steward to desysop him, despite having deleted the main page like 3 times, and blocked Jimbo
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[15:51] <for_> can't delete the main page anymore ;-)
[15:51] <Swob> Robdurbar's probably still out there somewhere socking away, hoping to get admin access somewhere
[15:51] <for_> block Jimbo? sure.
[15:51] <Franco|Andro> haha i know
[15:51] <for_> Robdubar is still socking on Wikt
[15:51] <for_> and doing rogue stuff -_-
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[15:52] <Franco|Andro> how psyched do you think the guys were who noticed that the main page was unprotected?
[15:52] <gwickwire> what?
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[15:52] <Franco|Andro> when Robdurbar unprotected it
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[15:53] <Yetanotherx> Swob: Now we've got crats as well who can desysop
[15:53] <gwickwire> What? No. No. Doesn't the main page totes have permanent cascading?
[15:53] <for_> yes
[15:53] <Swob> it does now, yes
[15:53] <Swob> this was 2006
[15:53] <gwickwire> it hasn't been unprotected in forever?
[15:53] <Yetanotherx> it's transcluded on a bunch of pages
[15:53] <gwickwire> OH OKAY.
[15:53] <Swob> 2007, actually
[15:53] <gwickwire> this is what I get for leaving for like 2 mins.
[15:53] <for_> fir a few days after Robudbrar
[15:53] <for_> the Main page was confused
[15:53] <Franco|Andro> gwickwire: i think that's why it does
[15:53] <Swob> <--- this is who we're talking about
[15:54] <Swob> worst admin ever
[15:54] <sweety> not SPUI?
[15:54] <Franco|Andro> 5 minutes, total
[15:54] <Swob> actually he was probably good until his spasm on April 19, 2007. I dont know who SPUI is. Both were before my time
[15:54] <for_> e.g.
[15:54] <Vacation9> 06:13, 19 April 2007 Robdurbar (talk | contribs) removed protection from "Main Page" (hist)
[15:54] <Vacation9> 06:12, 19 April 2007 Robdurbar (talk | contribs) deleted page Main Page
[15:54] <Swob> I've seen SPUI's name on a few images
[15:54] <for_>
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[15:55] <for_>
[15:55] <for_> etc
[15:55] <for_> wait, ignore that last link
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[15:55] <wolfgang42> ... egad.
[15:56] <Franco|Andro> they were so uncreative
[15:56] <Swob> SPUI was never an admin
[15:56] <Franco|Andro> like, why not go with a gif of Commons's best gay porn?
[15:56] <Swob> not on that name at least
[15:56] <mattbuck> because en.wp likes to keep it on a blacklist franco
[15:56] <mattbuck> luckily we keep getting more :)
[15:57] <Franco|Andro> mattbuck:
[15:57] <Franco|Andro> even in 07?
[15:57] <gwickwire> Franco: I think you should do that if you become an admin, but you'd be a bit biased and INVOLVED.
[15:58] <Franco|Andro> hahah *that* would be the problem ;)
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[15:58] <gwickwire> Haha, plus, quite a few gay editors would probably be disabled by the sight, so they woouldn't be mentally capable of fixing it.
[15:59] <BarkingFish> ?
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[15:59] <gwickwire> BarkingFish: Go second it? ?
[15:59] <gwickwire> And nothing you need to know ;)
[15:59] <Swob> wb
[15:59] <Prodego> Ike9898 totally stole my main page unprotection reason by the way
[15:59] <BarkingFish> as a gay editor, gwickwire, i'd like to :)
[15:59] <BarkingFish> what would disable me at its sight?
[15:59] <gwickwire> Gay porn on the main page.
[16:00] <Prodego> there are easy ways to do that
[16:00] <Prodego> that I don't really feel like mentioning
[16:00] <gwickwire> lolz.
[16:00] <Prodego> but nevertheless, easy
[16:00] <gwickwire> Prodego: just edit a template that JUST got transcluded onto the main page, before it gets cascaded.
[16:00] <gwickwire> :P
[16:00] <gwickwire> technical awesomeness
[16:01] <Prodego> that's defininitely how it works
[16:01] <Prodego> definitely*
[16:01] <Franco|Andro> gwickwire: good idea
[16:01] <gwickwire> Well, that's technically one way a nonadmin can edit a protected page.
[16:02] <gwickwire> And, by virtue of cascading protection, they could transclude something else there secretly, then when cascading is applied finally (software lag) they can protect something.
[16:02] <Vacation9> !logs
[16:02] <gwickwire> It's been Bugzillad, IDK where.
[16:02] <Prodego> in case this wasn't obvious, there is no lag
[16:02] <Vacation9> is there a log?
[16:02] <Vacation9> oh wait "no public logging" nevermind
[16:02] <Franco|Andro> Prodego: Is too
[16:03] <Franco|Andro>
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[16:03] <addshore> anyone here good with js user scripts?
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[16:05] <Prodego> well I was just working on mine, but I have no idea what I'm doing
[16:05] <Prodego> so not I :)
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[16:07] <addshore> Prodego, sounds like your in the same boat I am, although maybe ahead of me, I am currently just staring at a blank page looking up how to begin :P
[16:07] <Prodego> addshore: well luckily I stole essjay's stuff back in the day
[16:07] <Vacation9> addshore: do you mean the (theme).js file?
[16:07] <Prodego> but I've been lately migrating toward vector, slowly
[16:07] <Prodego> so everything has to be recreated
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[16:07] <addshore> Prodego, I just shifted all of my scripts over to vector and they all work fine :)
[16:07] <Vacation9> addshore: just steal my scripts
[16:08] <Prodego> addshore: I do way too much UI stuff
[16:08] <addshore> Vacation9, yes, im trying to make one but i dont know where to start. And i think I have enough :P
[16:08] <addshore> Prodego, such as?
[16:08] <legoktm> Prodego: monobook for life!
[16:08] <BarkingFish> +1 legoktm
[16:08] <Vacation9> Here's mine if you want to see what I use (vector)
[16:08] <Prodego> addshore: try it out, just replace your vector.xx files with mine
[16:08] <addshore> legoktm, that was my attitude but iv suddenly changed :)
[16:08] <Prodego> legoktm: I'm still slowed by the dropdown menus
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[16:08] <BarkingFish> vector is a crock :)
[16:08] <Four7-street> mmm
[16:08] <Four7-street> yes
[16:08] <legoktm> BarkingFish: Agreed!
[16:09] <foks> If they could make Vector without lal the dropdown menus then sure
[16:09] <Vacation9> I've used vector since I started
[16:09] <Four7-street> me too
[16:09] <foks> the dropdowns are ridiculously annoying
[16:09] <legoktm> Prodego: Heh, thats the main reason I don't like vector. I have more monobook tabs than fit on the page :P
[16:09] <addshore> Vacation9, mine
[16:09] <foks> enough to make me stick to monobook
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[16:09] <Prodego> foks: yea I'm trying to improve that to the point where I can switch
[16:09] <addshore> legoktm, I had more monobook tabs than fitted on my screen, vector solves that
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[16:09] <Prodego> foks: all I need is for the dropdown menu not to close if you are a little off it, but not too far
[16:10] <addshore> foks, they arent too bad, they help me fit my stuff on
[16:10] <addshore> Prodego, you need new finger to grip your mouse better :/
[16:10] <BarkingFish> legoktm, i only stick to monobook because vector sucked like a black hole - i couldn't find the bits of twinkle I needed, i couldn't find anything when I went in  - it looked like it'd been assembled by a blind one eyed donkey with no sense of design.
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[16:10] <Vacation9> addshore: I need to steal your (non-admin) scripts
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[16:10] <foks> Prodego, I'd prefer if they were click-to-open, although that's probably wishful thinking
[16:10] <BarkingFish> I've seen kindergartners who can make things look better than vector did :)
[16:11] <addshore> Does ANYONE have any idea how I can (using js) add a button next to every header on the page?
[16:11] <Prodego> foks: well that should be easy to do
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[16:11] <SuicidalZerg> [FAIL]
[16:11] <Vacation9> it's teh TParis
[16:11] <foks> BarkingFish, bit harsh, vector LOOKS nice, the issue is with functionality
[16:11] <addshore> I just wish i could make my script :/
[16:11] <TParis> It most certainly is me
[16:11] <addshore> where is the documentation for js stuff and mediawiki?
[16:11] <addshore> xD
[16:12] <foks> addshore, there should be stuff on meta, I'd imagine
[16:12] <legoktm> er
[16:12] <legoktm> no
[16:12] <legoktm>
[16:12] <legoktm>*
[16:12] <BarkingFish> foks, the thing with a usability interface is that it should be put together with ideas from everybody, not just a team of people who assemble it to be "usable" by their definition.
[16:12] <Prodego> no BarkingFish, it should be assembled by a team that uses their definition
[16:12] <Prodego> because at least then it is usable to someone
[16:12] <Prodego> if it tries to be usable for everyone it will be usable for noone
[16:12] <BarkingFish> Vector was part of the usability design, and it's not usable - it slows you down.
[16:13] <BarkingFish> Prodego, then they can keep it :)
[16:13] <BarkingFish> Prodego, what is the point of creating a usable interface which isn't usable to some people?  It either needs to be easy to use by *everyone* or it needs to get sunk.
[16:14] <BarkingFish> If it's not usable to everyone, it's not achieved its purpose
[16:14] <addshore> Prodego, any idea how to stick a button next to a header? :P
[16:14] <Prodego> define "a header"
[16:14] <addshore> == saklhfkashf ==
[16:15] <addshore> :> heading
[16:15] <Prodego> well those are all h2 elements, right?
[16:15] <Prodego> or are they h3
[16:15] <Vacation9> addshore: just stole a bunch of your scripts :>
[16:16] <addshore> was trying to find a script that already did it so I could use my cheeky copy and paste skills but I cant find one
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[16:16] <legoktm> == <-- h2
[16:16] <legoktm> === <-- h3
[16:16] <legoktm> etc
[16:16] <legoktm> from 1-6
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[16:18] <Prodego> I can do that, but hold on
[16:18] <addshore> Prodego, all h3
[16:18] <addshore> actually, all h4
[16:18] <addshore> Vacation9, such as?
[16:18] <addshore> yep :P h4
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[16:18] <Tasmania> Hello everyone.
[16:19] <Vacation9> addshore: copy and pasted them all, removed the admin-only ones :>
[16:19] <addshore> :D *loves Prodego*! How are you by the way? I havn't spoken to you in years
[16:19] <Four7-street> o.o
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[16:21] <Prodego> addshore: $("#mw-content-text h2") gets all the headers
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[16:21] <Prodego> so you will do something like this
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[16:21] <Prodego> $("#mw-content-text h2").each(function(i, e) { function to run on each header });
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[16:23] <Prodego> addshore: so that function will be decided by what you want to add, and what you mean by 'after'
[16:23] <addshore> okey dokey
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[16:26] <addshore> I have 4 lines of code now! :D
[16:26] <addshore> 6 if i space it out
[16:26] <addshore> this is the start of something amazing!
[16:26] <Vacation9> wooah
[16:26] <legoktm> spaces!
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[16:27] <addshore> but unfortunatly I am going to get stuck at every single hurdle I reach
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[16:28] <addshore> 10 might be my limit :/
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[16:32] <Vacation9> Hello there fwilson :)
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[16:32] <Fox-Wilson> hello
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[16:33] <Vacation9> get on wikimedia-labs and ##adshore
[16:33] <Vacation9> ##addshore*
[16:33] <Fox-Wilson> kk
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[16:39] <Four7-street> Imgur is over capacity! please try again in few minutes
[16:39] <Four7-street> lol
[16:39] <Four7-street> :p
[16:39] <ihaveamac> constantly
[16:39] <ihaveamac> I can't browse reddit properly
[16:39] <Isarra> Guys, how do new users find... stuff?
[16:39] <ihaveamac>
[16:39] <ihaveamac> but to just read
[16:40] <Isarra> Woah.
[16:40] <ihaveamac> search engines seem to always check if Wikipeia has an article on it
[16:40] <Isarra> Okay, so those are articles. What about tools?
[16:40] <Isarra> How do they actually find their watchlists, for instance?
[16:40] <legoktm> Isarra: They hit the watchlist button
[16:40] <ihaveamac> same spot where they find their user link
[16:40] <Isarra> But how do they figure to do that?
[16:40] <ihaveamac> prefs
[16:40] <ihaveamac> log out
[16:40] <Isarra> Just... randomly clikc things?
[16:41] <ihaveamac> randomly click things and add '''Bold text''' to an arti<ref></ref>cle?
[16:41] <Isarra> Is a watchlist a common concept? Would folks know what it is?
[16:41] <fox_wilson> Yes, normally. I have a massive watchlist
[16:41] <Vacation9> if they read GettingStarted
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[16:41] <Vacation9> mine is like 1100 pages
[16:41] <ihaveamac> what
[16:41] <foks> Isarra, watchlists are pretty widespread terminology on the 'net
[16:42] <Isarra> It doesn't say anything about watchlists on gettingstarted.
[16:42] <foks> I think most people learn stuff by trying things out
[16:42] <Vacation9> really?
[16:42] <foks> it's pretty natural
[16:42] <Vacation9> Isarra it should
[16:42] <Isarra> foks: Aye, and it does work, just... I dunno.
[16:42] <Isarra> Vacation9: It just says 'The pages below need simple improvements you can help with right now, like fixing the spelling and grammar. You don't need to be an expert in the topic, so be bold!' and lists some pages.
[16:43] <ihaveamac> (diff | hist) . . m Gnanananda Giri‎; 17:43 . . (+3)‎ . . ‎IXavier (talk | contribs)‎ (change only visible to editors) (Tag: new editor getting started)
[16:43] <ihaveamac> heh
[16:43] <foks>
[16:43] <Vacation9> Isarra: oh.
[16:43] <ihaveamac> (that's me(
[16:43] <ihaveamac> )
[16:43] <ihaveamac> apparently it still tags me, a user for 4 years, as a new editor
[16:43] <ihaveamac> almost 5
[16:43] <fox_wilson> Wow... silly mediawiki
[16:43] <foks> How many edits do you have
[16:43] <ihaveamac> barely
[16:43] <ihaveamac> I had less than 20 edits
[16:43] <ihaveamac> for the 4 years
[16:44] <ihaveamac> until august 2012
[16:44] <foks> hmm
[16:44] <legoktm> ihaveamac: no thats how the extension works
[16:44] <foks> but you have 1000+ now
[16:44] <foks> odd
[16:44] <legoktm> if you make an edit from that page, it auto-tags it
[16:44] <ihaveamac> I came across recent changes
[16:44] <ihaveamac> I've never heard of RC until I clicked it
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[16:44] <foks> Fun fact, by the time I was ihaveamac's age, I was an admiiinnn
[16:44] <ihaveamac> 2008?
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[16:45] <foks> ihaveamac, yes
[16:45] <BarkingFish> fuck - you're 2008?
[16:45] <BarkingFish> damn, that's old :P
[16:45] <foks> May 2008 was my RfA
[16:45] <fox_wilson> lol BarkingFish
[16:45] <Isarra> Snrk.
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[16:45] <foks> I've been 20 for almost a week now, so
[16:45] <SigmaWP> I arrived in this channel at the perfect time :(
[16:45] <foks> heh
[16:45] <fox_wilson> nowhere near adminship yet :D
[16:45] <TParis> Foks, I know an admin younger than you
[16:45] <ihaveamac> SigmaWP: what do you mean
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[16:45] <foks> TParis, I imagine there are lots
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[16:45] <fox_wilson> I'm only at 1700 edits or so
[16:46] <foks> inb4AnonymousDissident
[16:46] <ihaveamac> I'm a lazy person, I like automated stuff
[16:46] <SigmaWP> foks: Earwig
[16:46] <fox_wilson> me too
[16:46] <fox_wilson> I worked on a tool for copyediting
[16:46] <foks> SigmaWP, yeeeeesss
[16:46] <fox_wilson> and then wrote an Python API to the Mediawiki API
[16:46] <foks> I think I half met him once IRL
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[16:46] <foks> maybe didn't
[16:46] <foks> I didn't speak to him
[16:47] <ihaveamac> User ID:	6691988
[16:47] <ihaveamac> Number of edits:	1,535
[16:47] <ihaveamac> Registration time:	04:26, March 18, 2008
[16:47] <TParis> fox_wilson: You mean a python library to the Mediawiki API?
[16:47] <fox_wilson> i know there already is one
[16:47] <fox_wilson> i was bored :D
[16:47] <fox_wilson> but I started working on one
[16:47] <BarkingFish> holy cow.  This, for me, would be heaven.  Guy opens a bag of chips, to find chips... and a bloody great lump of the flavoring powder used on them.  AND he bit into it.
[16:47] <BarkingFish>
[16:47] <SigmaWP> fox_wilson: There is only one worth using for Python 3.
[16:47] <Vacation9> User ID:	13634631
[16:47] <Vacation9> Number of edits:	5,512
[16:47] <Vacation9> Registration time:	20:01, 16 December 2010
[16:47] <SigmaWP> And once everyone has Python 3, it will be the only one worth using.
[16:47] <BarkingFish> i'd cook up a batch of french fries, crush the powder, and coat my fries in it :)
[16:47] <ihaveamac> BarkingFish: .-.
[16:47] <fox_wilson> hmmm... might continue working on it then, because I use 2.7.3
[16:48] <ihaveamac> I joined 2008 and yet I only have 1.5k edits
[16:49] <Isarra> BarkingFish: Unfortunately biting into it will do bad things to one's mouth... not pleasant.
[16:49] <BarkingFish> i joined 2004 and i have approaching 8000 edits - that ain't a lot, i wish I'd had more time and better net access to shove my count up :(
[16:49] <fox_wilson> now where did I put all that code for enwiki...
[16:50] <ihaveamac> so in around 4 and a half years, I made 1.5k edits. If I made a bot, I think it would make 1000 in a week.
[16:50] <fox_wilson> you have any ideas for a bot?
[16:50] <ihaveamac> no
[16:50] <BarkingFish> Isarra, it took balls though to bite into a lump of highly concentrated flavoring.  Must've been like a thunderflash going off in his mouth!
[16:51] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: you might want to look at
[16:51] <SigmaWP> fox_wilson: Good, the better to divide the Python 2 users :)
[16:51] <Isarra> >.<
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[16:51] <ihaveamac> I actually had that open just no
[16:51] <ihaveamac> w
[16:51] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: :)
[16:51] <fox_wilson> Sigma: perhaps :)
[16:52] <ihaveamac> I did make one, but only for my own wiki, and its only task is finding images without any licenses
[16:52] <ihaveamac> it's a small wiki but I want to have them there anyway
[16:52] <fox_wilson> well that makes two of us with our own mediawiki installs
[16:52] <ihaveamac> I actually have 2/3
[16:52] <ihaveamac> one for my main site (since manually making PHP/HTML files is too much for my laziness)
[16:52] <ihaveamac> one for tests
[16:53] <ihaveamac> and one for general stufff
[16:53] <fox_wilson> haha yep - I did write a rather nice authentication system in python
[16:53] <fox_wilson> then found that it could be sql injected :D
[16:53] <fox_wilson> *php
[16:53] <SigmaWP> Ah, that sounds like a typical PHP problem
[16:53] <ihaveamac> someone managed to break into a school's admin account using SQL injection
[16:53] <ihaveamac> the school used classic ASP
[16:54] <TParis> SigmaWP: Not since PDO
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> fox_wilson: I think you told me a bit about your new Python library for Mediawiki API
[16:54] <ihaveamac> they used the password: 1'or'1'='1
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> It's supposed to be like a super thin layer right?
[16:54] <fox_wilson> yep
[16:54] <fox_wilson> not sure I've seen you before though
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> I use mwclient a lot
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> But docs aren't great and it's incomplete in some areas
[16:54] <ihaveamac> I recently started trying apibot for php
[16:54] <SigmaWP> ihaveamac: :(
[16:55] <BarkingFish> wiki slowdown?
[16:55] <SigmaWP> I don't like php
[16:55] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: How's that working out  for you?
[16:55] <fox_wilson> i like php for web apps
[16:55] <ihaveamac> it works for what I need it to do
[16:55] <Dcoetzee> I never like PHP, but LAMP is soooo widely supported
[16:55] <SigmaWP> I don't like php in general
[16:55] <Dcoetzee> It makes deployment cake
[16:55] <fox_wilson> Dcoetzee: here's some WIP code if you want:
[16:56] <ihaveamac> have there been times when someone added File: ?
[16:56] <Dcoetzee> fox_wilson: I'd like to see someone take a library like yours... and that crazy wikitext parser... and other such components, and assemble some kind of awesome super bot framework out of them
[16:57] <fox_wilson> Dcoetzee: which crazy wikitext parser?
[16:57] <SigmaWP> fox_wilson: Before you actually let people get their hands on it, read the PEP 8
[16:57] <Dcoetzee> I forgot its naaaame
[16:57] <SigmaWP> And then memorise it
[16:57] <ihaveamac> if I want to make a bot, however, I'll need something to have it run constantly
[16:57] <SigmaWP> And then fix the code to conform with it
[16:57] <fox_wilson> SigmaWP: I tend to break PEPs a lot :)
[16:57] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: cron
[16:57] <Dcoetzee> mwparserfromhell
[16:57] <SigmaWP> Then stop using Python, fox_wilson
[16:57] <Dcoetzee> That's the one
[16:58] <ihaveamac> I use cron jobs for one task on my wiki
[16:58] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Let me tell you the way I'm running LyricsBot right now
[16:58] <ihaveamac> it runs every 10 minutes since it's a small site
[16:58] <ihaveamac> Dcoetzee: how?
[16:59] <Dcoetzee> Toolserver has and I split my job into pieces of about 30 minutes each. I schedule a cron job with qcronsub to run every few minutes, which starts up a fresh job if one is not already running.
[16:59] <Dcoetzee> The script just resumes from where it left off each time
[16:59] <ihaveamac> so everything uses cron jobs?
[16:59] <legoktm> fox_wilson: if you want people to re-use your code, you really should follow PEPs...
[16:59] <fox_wilson> legoktm: I'll clean it up at some point
[16:59] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Cron jobs and job scheduling on the Toolserver cluster
[16:59] <ihaveamac> ok
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[17:01] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: They recommend a max job length of like 7 hours, for things like IRC bots, and it just restarts after that
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[17:01] <legoktm> fox_wilson: i um….why are you just splitting the xml and not actually parsing it >.>
[17:02] <legoktm> Dcoetzee: Really? My ircbots just run indefinitely....
[17:02] <SigmaWP> legoktm: Because he's butchering the Python :(
[17:02] <fox_wilson> legoktm: probably should fix that...
[17:02] <Dcoetzee> legoktm: Toolserver's gone to "you must use SGE and no infinite jobs" but it's not strictly enforced
[17:02] <Dcoetzee> I think the periodic reset thing is to protect against memory leaks
[17:02] <legoktm> Dcoetzee: No only for bots that edit the wiki
[17:03] <Dcoetzee> Oh I see
[17:03] <legoktm> My ircbots don't.
[17:03] <legoktm> and infinite jobs are allowed
[17:03] <legoktm> as long as theyre using sge
[17:03] <Dcoetzee> legoktm: I'm just going off what says :-P
[17:04] <Dcoetzee> "Normally your task should NOT run forever; let it stop from time to time (to free memory and give other people a chance to run jobs). A good runtime of a forever bot is 3 to 7 days – it is no problem to start the bot again short after."
[17:04] <ihaveamac> if my task wasn't important, I'd let the bot stop for a minute
[17:05] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Can it catch up?
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[17:05] <ihaveamac> depends
[17:05] <ihaveamac> I don't know much on what I can do with a bot
[17:06] <legoktm> Ah
[17:06] <legoktm> I never read the for beginners page :P
[17:06] <legoktm> I just read DaB's email
[17:06] <SigmaWP> legoktm: hurry up and finish
[17:07] <fox_wilson> legoktm: wow I was lazy when writing that code
[17:07] <Dcoetzee> legoktm: Okay :-P
[17:07] <Dcoetzee> fox_wilson: I think it'd be really interesting to take a Python library like yours and layer something Pythonic and fancy on top of it
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[17:07] <Bellamy> hey
[17:07] <legoktm> Dcoetzee: you should look at SigmaWP's library.
[17:07] <Dcoetzee> So that way "advanced" folks can use the raw API as needed but normal people could do stuff easily
[17:08] <Bellamy> your all freakin nerds
[17:08] <fox_wilson> I do have an ApiAction class
[17:08] <Dcoetzee> Hi Bellamy
[17:08] <Bellamy> hi, how are you?
[17:08] <fox_wilson> which represents anything that can be passed to the API
[17:08] <foks> Bellamy, "you're"
[17:08] <foks> you + are = you're
[17:09] <Bellamy> oh, thanks, im not sure i could have lived with my spelling mistake
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[17:10] <Bellamy> derp
[17:10] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: Good :-) You?
[17:10] <SigmaWP> That isn't spelling, that's grammar
[17:10] <Bellamy> im ok, thanks for askin
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[17:10] <Dcoetzee> Re grammar Nazis, I'm a descriptivist. So my philosophy is, if the meaning is clear, it's irrelevant what silly rules it follows or doesn't follow.
[17:11] <Swob> does that mean you accept the use of Java to mean Javascript?
[17:11] <Bellamy> Im thinkin about makin an article about myself, is this a good idea??? x
[17:11] <fox_wilson> Java != JavaScript
[17:11] <BarkingFish> no
[17:11] <BarkingFish> not unless you're famous
[17:11] <Bellamy> i am famous
[17:11] <BarkingFish> it's likely to get deleted before you can take your keyboard off of your lap
[17:11] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: Not unless lots of people have written articles about you, and you didn't pay them to do it
[17:11] <Bellamy> i have paid for a few in the past
[17:11] <Dcoetzee> You know, in magazines, newspapers, etc.
[17:12] <Bellamy> ive been on plenty of top viewed videos on pornhub
[17:12] <Dcoetzee> I'm afraid that doesn't count by itself
[17:12] <Dcoetzee> If porn reviewers have written about you that's a start
[17:12] <Bellamy> if i could get a new video out by the end of this week, would u guys be interested in promoting it?
[17:12] <Dcoetzee> (assuming you didn't pay them to do so)
[17:13] <foks> you are an incredibly bad troll man
[17:13] <Bellamy> im not trollin, im telling the truth
[17:13] <SigmaWP> Sorry, you still aren't notable.
[17:13] <BarkingFish> do you know reddit?
[17:13] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: I'm sorry but developing that kind of notability takes a lot of time. Putting out good content is the way to get there, but you don't control when it happens.
[17:13] <foks> No. Wikipedia doesn't promote.
[17:13] <Bellamy> even for top rated porn stars
[17:13] <Bellamy> ???
[17:13] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: We can only add someone to Wikipedia when lots of people are already independently writing stuff about them.
[17:14] <fox_wilson> speaking of trolls, it was kind of funny when someone removed content from an article about trolls
[17:14] <ihaveamac> you can put a little about yourself in your user page
[17:14] <Bellamy> ive had loads written about me, do u want links?
[17:14] <BarkingFish> If you're a porn star, AMA on there within the next ten minutes, and I'll research you... If you've won any woodies, even better.
[17:14] <BarkingFish>
[17:14] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: Some links would be great
[17:14] <ihaveamac> it's /r/IAmA
[17:14] <ihaveamac> most of the time
[17:14] <foks> are we seriously asking for links to porn
[17:14] <Dcoetzee> But keep in mind they have to be people who wrote about you independently, without your influence
[17:14] <Bellamy> so in interested in watchin my videos are you? i can tell u now, it might not be ur sorta thing
[17:15] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: Not particularly...
[17:15] <Gfoley4> wat is going on
[17:15] <ihaveamac> wat
[17:15] <Dcoetzee> Just trying to help you with your questions.
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[17:15] <Bellamy> heres a link to one of my videos
[17:15] <ihaveamac> uh
[17:15] <foks> please do not link to porn in here.
[17:16] <Bellamy> ok sorry
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[17:16] <Fluffernutter>
[17:16] <SigmaWP> Fluffernutter: ikr
[17:16] <Dcoetzee> Bellamy: Your videos aren't helpful because they're primary materials you created yourself.
[17:16] <foks> I can't quite believe this is actually happening.
[17:16] <Bellamy> ok, i guess ill have to become more famous first
[17:16] <ihaveamac> ಠ_ಠ
[17:16] <BarkingFish> foks: if we're up to establish the guys notability, we need proof he is what he says he is, right?
[17:16] <BarkingFish> We can do this elsewhere if you don't want it in here
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[17:17] <SigmaWP> Yay!
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[17:17] <Dcoetzee> Well they were pretty reasonable.
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[17:17] <Dcoetzee> I guess I could have directed them to #wikipedia-en-help...
[17:18] <Dcoetzee> I think their questions were reasonable though. Everybody starts out not knowing much about policy.
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�06[17:18] * Fluffernutter can't spell, but we all knew that
[17:19] <BarkingFish> neither can a wizard with a broken wand
�06[17:19] * fox_wilson is grammatically uncorrect sometimes
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[17:21] <Swob> lol
[17:21] <eeekster> says whom, fox_wilson?
[17:21] <Swob> also i just clicked, the pornhub link doesnt work. so maybe he was just trolling
[17:22] <Fluffernutter> i hope you used anonymouse, Swob!
[17:22] <Swob> no, why>
[17:22] <Swob> its just a porn site
[17:22] <Swob> nothing bad will happen to me?
[17:22] <Fluffernutter> troll links sometimes go places other than where they ought to
[17:22] <Fluffernutter> i usually don't click without some protections in place
[17:22] <ihaveamac> tons of people go on porn sites
[17:22] <ihaveamac> how can they easily single one user out?
[17:22] <Swob> i thuink pornhu bis safe
[17:22] <Swob> although I did accidenytally click onto the GNAA a few days ago
[17:22] <ihaveamac> GNAA
[17:23] <Swob> i was worried for a while, but I figured, even they cant be actually hosting maleware or anything
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[17:23] <ihaveamac> an IP hopper was adding that to some userpages and templates, mostly my userspace
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[17:24] <Swob> in fact the GNAA is actually helping people by gfinding secutiry holes in software
[17:24] <ihaveamac> I know what their security thing is called
[17:24] <foks> and pulling them wide to show the pink nasty inside
[17:27] <legoktm> lols, "don't click without some protections"
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[17:27] <fox_wilson> does clicking it inside a vm inside a vm count as protection :D
[17:27] <Swob> something sharp is in my eye
[17:27] <ihaveamac> sandboxie
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[17:28] <ihaveamac> I like sandboxie when I run rogue anti-malware programs
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[17:28] <Prodego> not if it is the same kind of VM
[17:28] <Swob> i wish i had one of those water sprayers
[17:28] <Swob> getting my eye under the sink is just about impossible
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[17:30] <BarkingFish> Swob - fill the sink with cold water, take a deep breath, place your forehead and eyes into the water only, and blink several times.
[17:30] <BarkingFish> Before you call me a twat, I have done this myself, and with a couple of adult patients, and it works
[17:31] <BarkingFish> keep your nose out of the water though
[17:31] <legoktm> fox_wilson: 	articleContent = articleContent.replace("<", "<").replace(">", ">").replace(" ", " ") <--why are you changing article content?
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[17:31] <fox_wilson> legoktm: that was something left over from when I used really bad parsing methods :D
[17:32] <legoktm> sigh.
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[17:32] <legoktm> You also have code duplication in getToken()
[17:32] <legoktm> …which you're apparently not caching?
[17:32] <fox_wilson> What do you mean?
[17:33] <legoktm> you fetch the token again every time you edit
[17:33] <fox_wilson> wait... OH
[17:33] <legoktm> just get it once
[17:33] <fox_wilson> oh. wow, I didn't even realize I was doing that :D I'll fix it so that it fetches on login
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[17:34] <legoktm> Wait no >.>
[17:34] <legoktm> Just fetch it once and store it
[17:34] <legoktm> But only fetch when you need it
[17:34] <fox_wilson> right
[17:34] <fox_wilson> that's what I'm saying
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[17:34] <eeekster> sometimes they just don't get it:
[17:34] <legoktm> if not hasattr(self, 'token'): getToken()
[17:34] <legoktm> no you said get it on login...
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[17:35] <fox_wilson> but there are multiple Edit objects...
[17:35] <fox_wilson> and (hopefully) only one User
[17:35] <legoktm> So just store it in a universal way
[17:35] <legoktm> The easiest way is to get rid of the edit object concept
[17:35] <legoktm> merge it into the api
[17:35] <legoktm> and have the api spew out everything
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[17:36] <fox_wilson> In retrospect, making an edit object was a bad idea.
[17:36] <legoktm> also, you're not checking for edit conflicts.
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[17:37] <fox_wilson> probably should do that now.
[17:37] <legoktm> also you aren't detecting errors at all...
�06[17:37] * Vacation9 always misses something as well
[17:37] <legoktm> nor warnings
[17:38] <fox_wilson> those would also be helpful to check for
[17:38] <legoktm> i should probably stop reading now....
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[17:38] <fox_wilson> :D
[17:39] <fox_wilson> legoktm: it *was* a project for fun written in about an hour...
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[17:39] <legoktm> no offense but i wrote a better API client in <1 hour
[17:39] <legoktm>
[17:39] <ihaveamac> we need an API with one function
[17:40] <legoktm> its python2 and 3 compliant.
[17:40] <ihaveamac> do_stuff();
[17:40] <legoktm> s/compliant/compatible/
[17:40] <legoktm> also pep compliant to the best of my knowledge
[17:40] <Swob> pep?
[17:40] <Prodego> no offense, but fox_wilson may not be as experienced
[17:40] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: I've done that before, do_stuff() calls foo() which calls bar() which checks if True is False then ultimately raises an error
[17:40] <legoktm> Swob: PEP aka Python Enhancement Proposal
[17:40] <Vacation9> legoktm: took a look, looks nice :) If I ever need an API, it'll be yours
[17:41] <legoktm> Prodego: I realized.
[17:41] <ihaveamac> do_stuff(); should print out "I did something. I think."
[17:41] <Swob> no offense, but most of us have no idea what you all are talking about including those of us that have Computer Science degreess
[17:41] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: after or before raising the error?
[17:41] <ihaveamac> both
[17:41] <Swob> apparently they didnt teach pyhton where i went to school
[17:41] <ihaveamac> make it do more stuff
[17:41] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: good idea
[17:41] <Swob> Python seems like a pretty powerful language though'
[17:42] <Swob> I guess it's just not something you can learn in a 5 month course
[17:42] <fox_wilson> Swob: it certainly is
[17:42] <legoktm> Swob: I learned python from wikibooks :P
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[17:42] <Vacation9> legoktm: why aren't you an admin yet :P
[17:42] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: perhaps something like my
[17:42] <Vacation9> legoktm: I seriously thought you were until I checked
[17:42] <legoktm> :o
[17:42] <Swob> oh boy
[17:42] <Swob> now you know you have to run
�06[17:43] * legoktm hides
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�06[17:43] * fox_wilson finds legoktm
�06[17:43] * Vacation9 nominated legoktm
�06[17:43] * Vacation9 legoktm hides again
�06[17:43] * fox_wilson doesn't think Vacation9 can nominate people THAT quickly
�06[17:43] * Vacation9 realizes that didn't work out
�06[17:43] * ihaveamac checks annoy.js
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[17:43] <legoktm> fox_wilson: :o you do VRC?
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[17:44] <fox_wilson> as in vex robotics competition? used to
[17:44] <Vacation9> legoktm: but seriously, have you considered it?
[17:44] <Vacation9> legoktm: I do VRC
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[17:44] <legoktm> Vacation9: yes, and oh cool! :D
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[17:45] <Vacation9> I mean, 20000 edits, 5 years old, has abusefilter, and NOT AN ADMIN?
[17:45] <Vacation9> not to mention 4 DYK's
[17:45] <Vacation9> shall I go on?
[17:45] <ihaveamac> I have no rights on my account besides "autoconfirmed"
�06[17:45] * fox_wilson can't disagree with Vacation9 on this one...
[17:45] <BarkingFish> i mean seriously, jeez, ironholds had less than that when I nommed him for admin, and he passed :)
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[17:45] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: what's your editcount?
[17:45] <ihaveamac> 1536
[17:46] <ihaveamac> c:
[17:46] <fox_wilson> do you do a lot of antivandalism work?
[17:46] <ihaveamac> whenever I can
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[17:47] <Prodego> I mena yes, legoktm can clearly go have an RfA whenever
[17:47] <Vacation9> why don't you apply for rollback ihaveamac
[17:47] <ihaveamac> I tried, I forgot why they said no (and I don't think I want to remember)
[17:47] <ihaveamac> I'll just use what I have
�06[17:47] * fox_wilson goes through rfperm archives
[17:47] <Vacation9> they can be picky there, don't worry
�06[17:48] * Vacation9 follows along with fox
[17:48] <ihaveamac> :P
[17:48] <ihaveamac> for one thing, when I was starting to edit more
[17:48] <ihaveamac> most of my edits were in the userspace
[17:48] <ihaveamac> so for a period, more than half my edits were there
[17:49] <Vacation9> wow... what did you do?
[17:49] <ihaveamac> I'm trying to push that down
[17:49] <Vacation9> in the userspace?
[17:49] <Vacation9> to get that many edits?
[17:49] <ihaveamac> it was 6 months ago
[17:49] <Vacation9> oh
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[17:49] <ihaveamac> right now, I'm trying to avoid editing any userpage (not user talk)
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[17:50] <ihaveamac> but I don't want to turn off twinkle's CSD log
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[17:51] <Vacation9> what's your WP account name ihaveamac?
[17:51] <fox_wilson> IXavier
[17:51] <ihaveamac> ^^^^^
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[17:51] <ihaveamac> are you actuall ylooking at the archives?
[17:51] <fox_wilson> :P
[17:51] <ihaveamac> don't remind me of the reason :p
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[17:51] <fox_wilson> I won't... but it might interest me to know :D
[17:51] <ihaveamac> or I'll log out and delete hexchat's logs
[17:51] <BarkingFish> You're practically a cinch for admin, legoktm - as we politely say in Germany "Mit den Wölfen muß man heulen"
[17:52] <ihaveamac> or stick a post-it note on my screen
[17:52] <BarkingFish> "When you're with the wolves, you must howl :)"
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[17:52] <Vacation9> I won't don't worry, but in case you want to know the reason was...
[17:52] <Vacation9> jk
[17:53] <ihaveamac> I think it's "lack of mainspace edits"
[17:53] <ihaveamac> or similar
[17:53] <ihaveamac> and lack of non-automated ones
[17:53] <Vacation9> I cannot confirm nor deny that statement
[17:53] <ihaveamac> I want everything to be automated, because I'm lazy
[17:53] <fox_wilson> yeah that was it, same here for my first time
[17:53] <fox_wilson> me too :D
[17:53] <Swob> you had only 200 mainspace edits when you applied for rollback, that was the only reason given for denial
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[17:53] <Vacation9> I don't think they look at non-auto for rollback though
[17:53] <ihaveamac> c:
[17:53] <Vacation9> for AWB, yes
[17:53] <fox_wilson> once I got a windows VM for huggle, my EPM doubled
[17:54] <ihaveamac> hold on
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[17:54] <fox_wilson> hmmmm... I wonder if that was on purpose?
[17:54] <Vacation9> well I didn't tell [[singular they|them]] about the purpose :P
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[17:55] <Swob> itwas on purpose
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[17:55] <Vacation9> welcome back!
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�06[17:55] * ihaveamac is back
�06[17:55] * ihaveamac is using /me
�06[17:55] * ihaveamac has to state the obvious to everyone
�06[17:56] * Vacation9 agrees
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[17:57] <ihaveamac> I should grab a zero-width space
[17:57] <Vacation9> yeah you don't need any non-automated edits for rollback
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[17:57] <ihaveamac> I'm trying to make more edits in the mainspace
[17:57] <Vacation9> ​
[17:57] <Vacation9> there
[17:57] <Vacation9> have fun
�06[17:57] * ihaveamac ​
�02[17:58] * jorm (~bharris@wikimedia/jorm) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds�)
[17:58] <ihaveamac> I got mine from
[17:58] <Vacation9> this​is​separated​by​spaces
[17:58] <Vacation9> you can get it from here too
[17:58] <MJ94> ihaveamac
[17:58] <ihaveamac> ?
[17:58] <fox_wilson> i wonder what would happen if someone typed a form feed here...
[17:58] <MJ94> ihaveamac
[17:58] <Vacation9> make a bunch of null edits now with this: ​
[17:58] <ihaveamac> MJ94: ??
[17:59] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: Wow.
[17:59] <Swob>  
[17:59] <Vacation9> ​
[17:59] <MJ94> ihaveamac guys
[17:59] <MJ94> System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch Retina Mid-2012) • CPU: Intel Core i7-3720QM (8 Cores) @ 2.60 GHz • L2: 262.14 KB • L3: 6.29 MB • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 1 Hour • Disk Space: Total: 499.42 GB; Free: 185.06 GB • Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 (Retina Enabled) • Load: 4% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8.2 (Mountain Lion) (Build 12C3006)
[17:59] <MJ94> see?
[17:59] <MJ94> ihaveamac!
[17:59] <Swob> only 500 gigs??
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[17:59] <Jasper_Deng> (8 cores=a lie)
[17:59] <fox_wilson> 8 cores?
[17:59] <Vacation9> is there a command for that?
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[17:59] <Swob> real computers measure disk space in terabytes
�06[17:59] * fox_wilson makes virtual machines with 8 virtual cores each to say I have 64 cores
[18:00] <ihaveamac> this laptop has a 500GB harddrive
[18:00] <Vacation9> 8 cores = 4 physical cores 4 virtual cores
[18:00] <fox_wilson> Swob: agreed
[18:00] <ihaveamac> but I have a 1TB drive sitting right here
[18:00] <fox_wilson> I used to have a 60GB HDD on my laptop
[18:00] <Vacation9> null edits for the win
[18:00] <Vacation9> ​
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[18:00] <ihaveamac>
[18:01] <ihaveamac> I'm trying to stop that big yellow part
[18:01] <Vacation9> (safety message) don't try zero-width spaces at home kids, it's dangerous
[18:01] <Vacation9> wow, that is quite big
[18:01] <Swob> at least it's not a Pac-Man graph
[18:01] <ihaveamac> mostly months ago last year
[18:02] <ihaveamac> scroll down and see that yellow go down
[18:02] <Vacation9> VoxelBot is becoming a pacman
[18:02] <ihaveamac> in the month counts
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[18:02] <fox_wilson> wonder what happens if I type a form feed
[18:02] <ihaveamac> VoxelBot was unapproved for a bit
[18:02] <Vacation9> just a few hundred more edits
[18:02] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: ?
[18:02] <Vacation9> ihaveamac: what do you mean? it was editing in its userspace while not on trial/approved
[18:02] <ihaveamac> VoxelBot was an unapproved bot running in its own userspace
[18:02] <Vacation9> which is legal
[18:03] <ihaveamac> how long has it been since it was approved?
[18:03] <fox_wilson> haha I saw a pacman graph where someone made like 8000 edits to Talk and only 200 to namespace :D
[18:03] <Vacation9> ihaveamac: a week and a half or so?
[18:03] <ihaveamac> I thought it would be a real pac-man graph
[18:03] <ihaveamac> with the yellow part being bigger
[18:03] <ihaveamac> unless
[18:03] <Vacation9> actually exactly one week ihaveamac
[18:03] <ihaveamac> yeah
[18:03] <fox_wilson> Wow... it's been that short since it was approved?
[18:03] <Vacation9> but it had two trials before that
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[18:04] <ihaveamac> I'm looking at it
[18:04] <Vacation9> look at the BRFA for proof
�06[18:04] * fox_wilson makes a half-width space in response to Vacation9
[18:04] <Vacation9> :O
[18:04] <Vacation9> oh no you didn't
[18:05] <ihaveamac> h
[18:05] <Dcoetzee> Goddamnit I just discovered Flickr won't let you share any photos classified as "restricted" unless you share them with everybody
[18:05] <Dcoetzee> That makes no sense
[18:05] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: what does "restricted" mean?
[18:05] <Dcoetzee> Vacation9: Sexual content basically
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[18:05] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: oh, that does make no sense O_O
[18:06] <Dcoetzee> Normally you can create guest passes to share content with particular people, but that's disabled if it's restricted. According to their policy, in order to, uh, protect children.
[18:06] <Vacation9> yep, public sharing will protect children
[18:06] <BarkingFish> but if you share them with everyone, kids'll see them anyhoo - that's fucking mental.
[18:07] <Dcoetzee> You have to have an account and be 18+ to view restricted content but that's easy to defeat obviously
[18:07] <BarkingFish> +1 Vacation9
�06[18:07] * Jasper_Deng thinks the Internet can never be fully regulated
[18:07] <BarkingFish> there's only one way to regulate it - close it down.
[18:07] <SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: That's easy
[18:07] <Hahc21> I need an admin to delete a fake cover of a single
[18:07] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: It's just like pirating, when you make stuff more restricted, people just find a way and do it more
[18:07] <Vacation9> Hahx21: ! admin without the space
[18:07] <Dcoetzee> Vacation9: Or in this case, they *force* you to do it more :-P
[18:07] <Hahc21> Which was uploaded by an user who is edit warring to add the fake image
�06[18:07] * Dcoetzee facepalming
[18:08] <Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: computers are dumb. There's always a way.
[18:08] <fox_wilson> It's the classic <insert name> law - make something legal and people will stop doing it
[18:08] <Vacation9> +1
[18:08] <Hahc21> !admin to delete <-- fake cover already tagged as such
[18:08] <ihaveamac> fox_wilson: make stealing legal and people stop doing it?
[18:09] <Vacation9> actually, a lot of criminals do it for the thrill
[18:09] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: it was a bit of exaggeration...
[18:09] <ihaveamac>  know
[18:09] <SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: Nationalise all production of computers and their components, and constantly monitor their usage
[18:09] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: yep good point
[18:09] <ihaveamac> I*
[18:09] <SigmaWP> And have them registered
[18:09] <Vacation9> install a constantly on government camera in every corner of every house and in every computer
�06[18:10] * fox_wilson hacks the government camera with my cough :P
[18:10] <Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: people would then go underground
[18:10] <Vacation9> and position police guards in every home
[18:10] <TheBanner> it is a long time ago that I was here. Now, I can't find the channel where you can frustrate vandals (popular know as vandalism channel)
[18:10] <fox_wilson> TheBanner: ooo there's one of those?
[18:10] <SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: Where do you get computers?
[18:10] <TheBanner> there used to be, some time ago
[18:10] <SigmaWP> Where do you get their parts?
[18:10] <Vacation9> you make them with an underground factory
[18:11] <SigmaWP> Where do you get the raw mateirals?
[18:11] <Dcoetzee> Not everything is better legalised, obviously, but penalties for copyright infringement are wildly inconsistent with our commonsense idea of both the actual harm done and what is fair.
[18:11] <Vacation9> you mine them :)
[18:11] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee +101
[18:11] <fox_wilson> Beaches! Sand is awesome! (I think that's it...)
[18:11] <fox_wilson> Sand = silicon in a vastly not refined form
[18:11] <SigmaWP> Unless you can find a resource resource that hasn't been discovered and exploited by capitalists of the past and maybe the government, you're doomed
[18:11] <fox_wilson> I think...
[18:11] <fox_wilson> a resource resource... hmmm....
[18:12] <Vacation9> meh, disregard the technical details Sigma
[18:12] <fox_wilson> That's actually an interesting concept
[18:12] <Dcoetzee> I am totally cool with fining teenagers $50 if they pirate a bunch of pop songs. But not suing them for millions.
[18:12] <Vacation9> I know. A pirated song has like a fine of thousands
[18:12] <fox_wilson> Assume all resources are in set A, since a resource resource (B) is a resource, B is in A. Therefore, since B reproduces everything in A, a resource resource can never run out of itself...
[18:13] <fox_wilson> Nevermind... that was fun
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[18:13] <Vacation9> where's the fuel though
[18:13] <SigmaWP> And wall street CEOs destroyed the economy by engaging billions of dollars in fraud!
�06[18:13] * addshore haves trying to do this javascript and wishes he could just palm it off onto someone else
[18:13] <fox_wilson> it fuels itself... it's in set A
[18:13] <SigmaWP> Yay for criminal charges
[18:14] <Vacation9> This is a test
[18:14] <fox_wilson> We should go to the beginning of this conversation and follow it
[18:14] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: {{uw-test}}
[18:14] <fox_wilson> wait that's not a template is it
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[18:14] <Vacation9> yeah you need the 1,2,3,4
[18:14] <Vacation9> I think
[18:14] <Vacation9> {{uw-test4im}}
[18:14] <fox_wilson> wait... uw-test redirs to uw-test1
[18:15] <Vacation9> makes sense
[18:15] <fox_wilson> I got a {{uw-hasty}} recently - that was fun :D
[18:15] <Swob> evening marek
[18:15] <ihaveamac> who's getting uw-test?
[18:15] <fox_wilson> Vacation9, for saying "this is a test" in IRC :P
�06[18:15] * fox_wilson is just kidding
[18:15] <ihaveamac> '''Bold text'''
[18:15] <Vacation9> :O
[18:15] <fox_wilson> oh noes you also get a {{uw-test}}
[18:15] <Vacation9> {{uw-test4im}} for you
[18:15] <ihaveamac> <ref></ref>
[18:16] <fox_wilson> You know what's annoying
[18:16] <fox_wilson> Is when you're using STiki and you hit V-Space.
[18:16] <ihaveamac> V-Space =
[18:16] <ihaveamac> ?
[18:16] <Vacation9> addshore: did you just give up on your js?
[18:16] <addshore> yes :/
[18:16] <fox_wilson> v = classify as vandalism, space = click thing with focus, which is the vandalism button -_-
[18:16] <fox_wilson> :D
[18:16] <Prodego> O_O:
[18:17] <fox_wilson> I did that once
[18:17] <ihaveamac> Prodego: ._.
[18:17] <fox_wilson> Haha Vacation9 no uw-test4im for you
[18:17] <Vacation9> Prodego: :O
[18:17] <ihaveamac> so...uw-test4im no longer exists.
[18:17] <Prodego> I can't believe someone was stupid enough to make a test4im
[18:17] <Vacation9> fine then. {{uw-test4}}
[18:17] <ihaveamac> now for twinkle to be updated
[18:17] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: User not sufficiently warned - declining AIV request.
[18:17] <fox_wilson> :P
[18:18] <Vacation9> actually you can go from a 1 to a 4
[18:18] <fox_wilson> ._. fine...
[18:18] <Vacation9> it doesn't have to follow the path
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�03[18:18] * eir sets mode: -bo *!* eir
[18:18] <fox_wilson> I'm too lazy to read the policy right now so I'll trust you :D
[18:18] <ihaveamac> uw-test4 redirects to use-vandalism4
[18:18] <fox_wilson> Oh hello Eir.
[18:19] <Vacation9> ihaveamac: makes sense actually
[18:20] <addshore> time to work through Category:Wikipedia files with the same name on Wikimedia Commons instead
[18:20] <Vacation9> don't​you​love​non​breaking​spaces?
[18:20] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: Yes
[18:20] <ihaveamac>  
[18:20] <fox_wilson> I was playing code golf today and produced some of my worst looking code ever! I should use my newfound obsfucation skills to rewrite my API!
[18:20] <fox_wilson> :P
[18:21] <Vacation9> :O
[18:21] <fox_wilson> SCRIPT LOAD wiki
[18:21] <SigmaWP> fox_wilson: Why don't you go write perl like you always wanted
[18:21] <fox_wilson> oops fail at using irssi
[18:21] <Vacation9> this has turned from wikipedia-en to wikinerds-en
[18:21] <fox_wilson> SigmaWP: You do realize that was a joke
[18:22] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: this tends to happen when I'm around...
[18:22] <ihaveamac> I'm going to run a custom reddit in a virtual machine
[18:24] <Swob> how do you pronounce Babel?
[18:24] <legoktm> "babel"
[18:24] <Swob> wiktionary doesnt accept "babble" but thats what most people seem to say
[18:24] <Swob> they have it as "bay-bull" which is what I grew up with but again, most people seem to pronounce it the same as babble
[18:25] <Swob> /ˈbeɪ.b(ə)l/ in IPA
[18:25] <fox_wilson> I tend to put an emphasis on the ending -EL like Bab-l
[18:25] <DFrostedGirl> Good night my friends and classmates
[18:25] <DFrostedGirl> :D
[18:25] <Vacation9> oh... sorry cyberpower
[18:25] <DFrostedGirl> sweet dreams and mornings
[18:25] <DFrostedGirl> and days
[18:25] <Vacation9> good night DFrostedGirl
�06[18:25] * DFrostedGirl is trying sleep
[18:25] <DFrostedGirl> :)
[18:25] <Swob> sleep well
[18:26] <DFrostedGirl> thnx
�06[18:26] * DFrostedGirl keep eyes open
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[18:31] <Dcoetzee> Fox2k12: Do you know GolfScript?
[18:31] <Dcoetzee> errr
[18:31] <Dcoetzee> fox_wilson: Do you know GolfScript?
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[18:31] <fox_wilson> Dcoetzee: Heard of it, looked at the syntax, thought ...
[18:32] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[18:32] <Dcoetzee> It's not really worse than Brainfuck or Lambda or Whitespace
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[18:33] <fox_wilson> Dcoetzee: those langs are on my list of langs to never try to figure out the syntax of :D
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[18:33] <Vacation9> no, you must use LOLCODE
[18:33] <ihaveamac> wikipedia lost its css somehow
[18:33] <ihaveamac> nevermind
[18:33] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Probably timed out retrieving it
[18:33] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: shift-f5 or ctrl-f5 or something
[18:33] <legoktm> ihaveamac: clear cache
[18:33] <fox_wilson> oh nvm :D
[18:33] <ihaveamac> no, use
[18:33] <Vacation9> example lolcode syntax
[18:33] <Vacation9> HAI
[18:33] <Vacation9> CAN HAS STDIO?
[18:33] <Vacation9> VISIBLE “HAI WORLD!”
[18:33] <Vacation9> KTHXBYE
[18:33] <Vacation9> prints Hai World!
[18:34] <Dcoetzee> INTERCAL is disappointing to me. It's just a combination of bad things, and doesn't illustrate anything clever.
[18:34] <fox_wilson> you should see Shakespeare
[18:34] <EvilSon-Laptop> Made the switch to Linux
[18:34] <ihaveamac> but your script needs to be "polite"
[18:34] <fox_wilson>
[18:34] <fox_wilson> there is the polite script
[18:34] <Carly> o.
[18:34] <Carly> o.O
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[18:35] <Vacation9> ahh Shakespeare language = wierd
[18:35] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: :P
[18:35] <ihaveamac> what about
[18:35] <fox_wilson> NOT THAT that has evil syntax
[18:35] <ihaveamac> let
[18:35] <ihaveamac> 's write Hello World!
[18:36] <ihaveamac> ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
[18:36] <Carly> ah
[18:36] <Carly> o.o Ajua
[18:36] <ihaveamac> let
[18:36] <fox_wilson> I can totally read that code
[18:36] <ihaveamac> er
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[18:36] <ihaveamac> final one:
[18:36] <ihaveamac> let's write: Hello World!
[18:36] <Dcoetzee> Brainfuck is awesome though because it's such a simple language yet still complete :-)
[18:36] <ihaveamac> ('&%:9]!~}|z2Vxwv-,POqponl$Hjig%eB@@>}=<M:9wv6WsU2T|nm-,jcL(I&%$#"
[18:36] <ihaveamac>  `CB]V?Tx<uVtT`Rpo3NlF.Jh++FdbCBA@?]!~|4XzyTT43Qsqq(Lnmkj"Fhg${z@>
[18:36] <Dcoetzee> And it's super easy to write an interpreter for!
[18:36] <fox_wilson> ...
[18:36] <ihaveamac> that's a malbolge script
[18:36] <Dcoetzee> Which is a good programming exercise in any language
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[18:39] <Swob> wikipedia's getting slow again
[18:39] <Vacation9> I saw that
[18:39] <legoktm> Swob: bits.wikimedia is downish
[18:39] <Vacation9> it is taking a while to load stuff
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[18:40] <ihaveamac> I said I was going to run a custom reddit in a virtual machine, I have yet to do that
[18:40] <legoktm> its like using the nostalgia skin :P
[18:40] <fox_wilson> :P
[18:40] <fox_wilson> I tried to use simple earlier
[18:40] <fox_wilson> that was fun
[18:40] <ihaveamac>
[18:41] <Vacation9> I've used vector all my (wikipedia) life
[18:41] <Vacation9> I tried monobook
[18:41] <Vacation9> switched right back
[18:42] <ihaveamac> monobook was what we were all using back thne
[18:42] <ihaveamac> then
[18:42] <Swob> i use a slightly customized monobook
[18:42] <ihaveamac> until vector was introduced
[18:42] <eeekster> had vector foisted upon me and switched right back to monobook
[18:45] <mareklug> legoktm weird things are happening over at your Assembly Hall.  Northwestern is leading Illinois 45-30 with 11 minutes left in the *game*
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[18:46] <fox_wilson> I remember when monobook was the only
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[18:47] <addshore> i love how the css keeps not loading for me :)
[18:47] <SigmaWP> Me too
[18:47] <SigmaWP> I didn't edit back then
[18:47] <SigmaWP> When was vector, 2008 or something?
[18:47] <ihaveamac> 2009
[18:47] <legoktm> mareklug: :/
[18:48] <fox_wilson> somewhere around there... I know when I first create my acct it was still monobook, so 2009 or so
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[18:48] <mareklug> 45-32 wit 9:28 left
[18:49] <ihaveamac> I think "Modern" was trying to become the newer skin
[18:49] <ihaveamac> and failed
[18:49] <ihaveamac> then vector came along
[18:49] <Hahc21> Vector didn't exist when I joined in march 2008
[18:49] <ihaveamac> nope
[18:49] <Hahc21> It was introduced mid-2009
[18:49] <fox_wilson> oh modern. tha
[18:49] <fox_wilson> fail at using backspace :P
[18:50] <ihaveamac>
[18:52] <ihaveamac> I don't know how I ended up on
[18:52] <ihaveamac> and came across "{{edit semi-protected}} Robert e lee was a general for the northern army"
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[18:56] <Carly> Good night really
[18:56] <Carly> :D
[18:56] <Dcoetzee> Carly: Night :-)
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[18:56] <Vacation9> night
[18:56] <Carly> o.o
�06[18:56] * Carly pillows
[18:57] <ihaveamac> I'm reading the simple english wikipedia
[18:57] <ihaveamac> it's so......simple I'm not used to it
[18:57] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: My gf Sonia's an admin on there. I've done a little bit of writing for it it's fun
[18:57] <ihaveamac> New changes = Recent changes
[18:57] <ihaveamac> Show any page = Random page
[18:58] <ihaveamac> change = edit
[18:58] <ihaveamac> .-.
[18:58] <ihaveamac> Dcoetzee: cool
[18:58] <Vacation9> I know ihaveamac
[18:58] <Vacation9> I tried on simple
[18:58] <Vacation9> It's... simple
[18:58] <Vacation9> :P
[18:58] <fox_wilson> The simple stub template got me like 10 times
[18:58] <fox_wilson> You should look at calorimeter on simplewiki
[18:58] <fox_wilson> then on enwiki
[18:58] <ihaveamac> and look what I found
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[18:58] <ihaveamac> <Vacation9> :P
[18:58] <ihaveamac> ...
[18:58] <ihaveamac>
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[18:59] <fox_wilson> ihaveamac: i'll be laughing for a while :D
[19:00] <ihaveamac> Featured article = Very good article
[19:00] <ihaveamac> there's also simple english versions of Wiktionary, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikispecies
[19:01] <fox_wilson> not sure if I actually want to see the simple version of Wikispecies... :D
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[19:01] <ihaveamac> let's go in...
[19:01] <ihaveamac> >Welcome to Wikispecies, a free directory of life!
[19:01] <fox_wilson> ... lol
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[19:02] <ihaveamac> I don't understand the simple english wikispecies
[19:02] <Hahc21> Welcome to Wikidrama, a free repository of ------
[19:02] <ihaveamac> but I've never edited it anyway
[19:02] <ihaveamac> or read it...
[19:02] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Isn't ED already that?
[19:02] <Hahc21> ED?
[19:02] <fox_wilson> Wikispecies is free, because life is public domain!
[19:02] <Dcoetzee> Encyclopedia Dramatica
[19:02] <Hahc21> Oh
[19:02] <Dcoetzee> Basically the Wikipedia of trolling
[19:02] <Hahc21> Well
[19:02] <fox_wilson> I thought that was uncyclopedia
[19:02] <ihaveamac> what about uncyclopedia
[19:03] <fox_wilson> who says we're experts
[19:03] <Hahc21> That's the competing channel
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[19:03] <Dcoetzee> Uncyclopedia is a parody of Wikipedia
[19:03] <Dcoetzee> ED is more "what if Wikipedia was run by 4chan"
[19:03] <Vacation9> OH GOD
[19:03] <Vacation9> I cannot imagine such...
[19:03] <Hahc21> ED is like how Apple looks at Microsoft
[19:03] <Vacation9> utter horror
[19:03] <ihaveamac> ಠ_ಠ
[19:03] <Dcoetzee> If you want to see what I mean just click
[19:04] <Dcoetzee> Trigger warnings, etc
[19:04] <ihaveamac> yep
[19:04] <Swob> yeah
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[19:04] <addshore> quick question guys
[19:04] <addshore> cause im tired
[19:05] <Dcoetzee> addshore: ?
[19:05] <Swob> after the Virginia Tech shooting, Uncyclopedia put up a tribute to the victims of the shooting
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[19:05] <Swob> ED put up a joke page
[19:05] <addshore> I need to names
[19:05] <Swob> thats the difference, in a nutshell
[19:05] <addshore> *3
[19:05] <ihaveamac>
[19:05] <addshore> NameSpace:Something
[19:05] <fox_wilson> any names?
[19:05] <legoktm> ihaveamac: wront url
[19:05] <addshore> and the whole thing wouldbe be called...?
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[19:05] <legoktm> wrong*
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[19:05] <legoktm> the site moved to
[19:06] <addshore> trying to think of what to call name or article e.t.c, maybe i should use fullname and name
[19:06] <legoktm> Isarra: people are still linking to wikia >.<
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[19:06] <fox_wilson> ? as in the URL minus
[19:06] <ihaveamac> now I see
[19:06] <fox_wilson> Oh that.
[19:06] <fox_wilson> Fullname and name would work...
[19:06] <ihaveamac> but unmetawiki was on a separate domain
[19:06] <Swob> the 2 uncyclopedias are forks of the same project
[19:07] <legoktm> Swob: Yet one is more active than the other…and the "other" one is just filling up with spam and stuff
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[19:07] <Isarra> It's rather like what happened with Wikivoyage - community went with one, so we care about that one.
[19:08] <Swob> except this time its the other way around
[19:08] <Swob> the WMF version is the "rump" one
[19:08] <Swob> and I know Wikia isnt technically WMF but it's affiliated
[19:08] <Seddon> Isarra what you mean?
[19:08] <Isarra> Seddon: Wikivoyage was not where the wt community went?
[19:09] <Seddon> ahhhh i see what you mean
[19:09] <Isarra> I mean that the Uncyclopedia community, by and large, left Wikia. Wherever the community is, that is the wiki, because wikis are nothing without community.
[19:09] <Isarra> ...however dysfunctional said community may happen to be.
[19:10] <legoktm> You know which wiki is surviving when one is having a VFSyops and the other is having a VFSandwiches.
[19:10] <Seddon> how is wikitravel doing now?
[19:10] <Isarra> No idea! The other one is prettier.
[19:11] <ihaveamac> I was actually going to go with wikia, but i decided to find a place to upload my own wiki
[19:11] <Swob> recent changes shows is about 20X more active than the rump site
[19:11] <Isarra> Well, depending what you're after, Wikia isn't necessarily that bad. Just didn't work too well for uncyclopedia. >.<
[19:11] <ihaveamac> well I want more control
[19:11] <Isarra> Wikia isn't so good for that, indeed.
[19:11] <ihaveamac> like I want to use checkuser without neeing to ask the staff
[19:12] <fox_wilson> I just hosted my own mediawiki :D
[19:12] <Isarra> Real sysadmins use the checkuser table.
[19:12] <ihaveamac> speaking of checkuser
[19:12] <ihaveamac> it was impossible to get it running on free hosting
[19:12] <ihaveamac> so I moved and actually spent money
[19:12] <Isarra> Because of the required schema changes?
[19:12] <ihaveamac> no
[19:12] <ihaveamac> shell access
[19:13] <ihaveamac> it was impossible to get AntiSpoof (CU needs it) to install
[19:13] <Swob> recent changes shows English Wikivoyage is about 5X more active than English Wikitravel
[19:13] <ihaveamac> and I was forced to run 1.19.3 since 1.20.x needed a newer PHP version
[19:13] <Isarra> Aye, the shell access is to get the schema changes - technically it should be doable from phpmyadmin or what have you, but it's a lot harder.
[19:13] <Isarra> >.<
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[19:13] <ihaveamac> cron jobs also didn't solve it
[19:13] <Swob> too bad uncyclopedia cant just buy up or something
[19:14] <Swob> who owns it?
[19:14] <legoktm> Wikia.
[19:14] <Isarra> Wikia. They don't even use it.
[19:14] <Swob> oh
[19:14] <ihaveamac> it redirects to the wikia page
[19:14] <ihaveamac> *site
[19:14] <legoktm> It got sold to Jimbo/Wikia.
[19:14] <ihaveamac> >Today's Featured Article - UnNews:Unwikileaks in the news
[19:14] <Swob> theyll never sell it then
[19:14] <Isarra> Not the way things currently stand, but things can change.
[19:14] <Swob> is a bad url
[19:15] <Isarra> You're very down.
[19:15] <ihaveamac> is owned by godaddy
[19:15] <fox_wilson> .co isn't terrible...
[19:15] <ihaveamac> redirects
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[19:16] <mareklug> ihaveamac are you sure it is owned by it or just parked at godaddys?
[19:16] <ihaveamac> parked
[19:17] <mareklug> will tell you who the technical contact is
[19:17] <ihaveamac> just another whois site?
[19:17] <fox_wilson>    Technical Contact:
[19:17] <fox_wilson>       Manz, David
[19:17] <fox_wilson>       MDW
[19:17] <fox_wilson>       16315 E Temple Rd
[19:17] <fox_wilson>       Spokane, WA 99217
[19:17] <fox_wilson>       United States
[19:17] <Jeske_Couriano> Anyone having issues with WP?
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[19:18] <Swob> yeah
[19:18] <Gfoley4> fox_wilson: please don't spam like that
[19:18] <Swob> its slow
[19:18] <fox_wilson> I wasn't trying to... :D sorry though
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[19:18] <Amqui> lol
[19:19] <fox_wilson> Yes wp is slow right now...
[19:20] <legoktm> Jeske_Couriano: yes its known
[19:21] <Swob> i dont understand house prices
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[19:22] <Swob> why does it seem like housing prices go up as a city gets poorer over time?
[19:22] <BarkingFish> They're really large numbers intended to put you off buying a broken building on a piece of land which will likely flood regularly or collapse into a mineshaft, Swob :D
[19:23] <Isarra> Or slide down a hill.
[19:23] <BarkingFish> or that :)
[19:23] <Isarra> The ones around here do that.
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[19:24] <BarkingFish> The ones round here have probably got unexploded bombs in the foundations, judging by that pub a couple of km from here :)
[19:24] <legoktm> block plz:
[19:24] <legoktm> otherwise i'm going to go crazy and kill him.
[19:24] <ihaveamac> o_o
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[19:25] <legoktm> Swob: ^
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[19:25] <legoktm> !admin ^block that ip please
[19:26] <Nascar1996> ?
[19:26] <ihaveamac>
[19:26] <legoktm> thanks
[19:26] <BarkingFish> Goodly nightload.  Verily I step forth to go warm myself in my bed, and sleep soundly while the world freezeth :P
[19:26] <legoktm> night!
[19:27] <BarkingFish> 4.25am and I need my bed. I don't want to be outside right now :)
[19:27] <ihaveamac> 72 hours
[19:27] <BarkingFish> bbfn
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[19:27] <ihaveamac> erm
[19:27] <ihaveamac> my custom CSS broke
[19:27] <legoktm> ihaveamac: just noticed? :P
[19:27] <mattbuck> ihaveamac, it's all fubar atm#
[19:27] <ihaveamac> and it's fixed
[19:27] <ihaveamac> what is going on...
[19:27] <mattbuck> it's been on and off again
[19:27] <wolfgang42> Whoop, bits *is* down, isn't it.
[19:28] <ihaveamac> annnd all the edits were revdel'd
[19:28] <ihaveamac> well, except for the "thumbnail ne"
[19:28] <ihaveamac> oh god
[19:28] <ihaveamac> IP hopped!
[19:28] <legoktm> Shirik: evading
[19:29] <RD> legoktm: blocked
[19:29] <ihaveamac> what about this? that image...
[19:29] <Swob> you guys are fast
[19:29] <legoktm> ty
[19:29] <legoktm> someone want to semi that page?
[19:29] <ihaveamac> well
[19:29] <legoktm> and Shirik already did :P
[19:29] <ihaveamac> it's already semiprotected
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[19:32] <mareklug> legoktm Northwestern wins 68-54, for 2nd straight year in Champaign
[19:32] <legoktm> :(
[19:33] <mareklug> that's ok.  IU goes to Evanston next, and it may be ditto there. :)
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[19:34] <ihaveamac> the semi-protected template needs to be placed I think
[19:34] <Swob> i thought cyberpower did that chore nowadays
[19:34] <legoktm> no
[19:35] <legoktm> lowercase sigmabot
[19:35] <Swob> oh
[19:35] <legoktm> but it waits 15 minutes
[19:35] <legoktm> per someones request
[19:35] <Swob> probably good
[19:35] <ihaveamac> found another piece for RevDel
[19:36] <legoktm> hm delldot isnt here
[19:36] <ihaveamac> how do I request revdel again?
[19:36] <legoktm> read the topic
[19:37] <ihaveamac> it doesn't say
[19:38] <legoktm> on
[19:38] <legoktm> oh*
[19:38] <legoktm> #wikipedia-en-revdel i think
[19:38] <Gfoley4> #wikipedia-en-revdel
[19:39] <legoktm> someone should re-add that to the topic
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[19:39] <Swob> Win cash for disambigation!
[19:41] <Swob> apparently theyre giving a prize of $100 for the best effort at adding new disambiguation pages
[19:41] <Swob> i changed the prize from $100 to $1000000
[19:41] <Swob> it's a wiki, right? so I can change anything
[19:41] <ihaveamac> I could say I created wikipedia
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[19:42] <ihaveamac> I can edit anything
[19:42] <ihaveamac> ...right?
[19:42] <ihaveamac> (besides protected pages)
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[19:44] <Gfoley4> population of elephants have tripled over the last 10 years.
[19:44] <ihaveamac> I can't find the first edit that did that
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[19:46] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: I can edit any page ;-)
[19:46] <ihaveamac> go edit MediaWiki:Sitenotice and add repeating characters
[19:46] <ihaveamac> (not really)
[19:47] <Gfoley4> those are fully protected you know?
[19:47] <ihaveamac> permanent protection
[19:48] <ihaveamac>
[19:48] <Jasper_Deng> (technically not really protected, separate permission)
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[19:55] <{soap|bed}> cabal is another word that most people seem to pronoucne wrong
[19:55] <ihaveamac> how do you pronounce it?
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> I used to say "cabble" but I found out it's "ca-BAL"
[19:56] <SigmaWP> cahballs
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> but a lot of people have "ca-bawl"
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> or "ca-ball" depending on accent
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> again i perefer IPA
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> /kə."bal/
[19:56] <ihaveamac> I say bal, not ball
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> is what people say
[19:56] <ihaveamac> which one is correct?
[19:56] <{soap|bed}> yours
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[19:57] <SigmaWP> {soap|bed}: So it's supposed sound like "salt"
[19:57] <SigmaWP> without the t
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[19:57] <{soap|bed}> bi
[19:57] <{soap|bed}> *no
[19:57] <ihaveamac> so I've been saying it right then
[19:57] <{soap|bed}>     * IPA: /kəˈbæl/, X-SAMPA: /k@"b{l/
[19:57] <SigmaWP> Meaning what, in English?
[19:57] <{soap|bed}> other dicruonaries agree
[19:57] <{soap|bed}> æ is the vowel of cat
[19:57] <{soap|bed}> rhymes with "pal"
[19:58] <SigmaWP> Oh
[19:58] <Gfoley4> æ <-- mac win
[19:58] <SigmaWP> I hate the red hat ps1
[19:58] <{soap|bed}> Its just an abbreivation of kabbalah, so I figured it would pronounced the same. But no
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[20:02] <wolfgang42> Well, what do you expect from English?
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[20:03] <{soap|bed}> cadre
[20:04] <{soap|bed}> i always thought it was French so I pronounced is the same as "cater"
[20:04] <{soap|bed}> but its Spanish and it rhymes with padre (usually)
[20:04] <{soap|bed}> wait
[20:04] <{soap|bed}> it IS french
[20:04] <{soap|bed}> but is pronounced as if it were Spanish for no reason
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[20:07] <Isarra> French is just poorly spelled spanish anyway.
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[20:09] <ihaveamac> am I the only one who still uses Special:NewPages and not Special:NewPagesFeed ?
�06[20:09] * Jasper_Deng has taken a break from patrolling new pages for about a year...
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[20:10] <{soap|bed}> i use [[User:Soap/NPP2.js]]
[20:10] <{soap|bed}> on the rare occasions that I do any npp at all
[20:10] <ihaveamac> what does it do?
[20:11] <SigmaWP> {soap|bed}: I just wrote a greasemonkey script that automatically refreshes NewPagesFeed every minute
[20:11] <SigmaWP> HA
[20:11] <SigmaWP> THAT BEATS YOU ALL
[20:12] <ihaveamac> I made a javascript to highlight unpatrolled edits/pages in recentchanges
[20:12] <ihaveamac> and I also can't grammar
[20:12] <wolfgang42> SigmaWP: There's a firefox addon to do that
[20:12] <wolfgang42> It's called Reload Every
[20:12] <SigmaWP> Too late!
[20:13] <ihaveamac> {soap|bed}: what does the script do
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[20:13] <{soap|bed}> NPP2.js is a mini-newpage feed that appears in the sidebar
[20:13] <{soap|bed}> probably only works on monobook
[20:13] <ihaveamac> I'll try this out (on vector)
[20:13] <delldot> oh, hey lego!
[20:14] <ihaveamac> works on vector
[20:14] <ihaveamac> and it fits in
[20:14] <{soap|bed}> cool
[20:14] <{soap|bed}> all credit for the script goes to User:TheJosh, not me
[20:14] <{soap|bed}> i just changed one line
[20:14] <{soap|bed}> you might even find his version to be better
[20:15] <{soap|bed}> the original version excluded user pages from the patrolling
[20:15] <{soap|bed}> I figured a lot of new articles start out as userpages so they should be left in
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[20:19] <SigmaWP> Does anyone have a description of communism from a communist point of view?
[20:20] <SigmaWP> Like "We NEED a new society, where no man is greater than any other" sort of stuff
[20:20] <SigmaWP> Something that sounds cheesy and inspirational
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[20:28] <Shearonink> SigmaWP: IFrom each according to his ability, to each according to his need
[20:28] <Shearonink> oh shoot he left
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[20:47] <earthnative> [A
[20:47] <earthnative> damn up-arrow/return on a lousy link :(
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[21:20] <ihaveamac> apparently, reading some parts of the AbuseLog lets me get older revisions of deleted pages
[21:24] <Prodego> yea it will record any pages that are edited, regardless of if they still exist
[21:24] <Prodego> or are you saying you can get revisions older than that in the deleted history
[21:24] <Prodego> because that would not make sense
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[21:25] <ihaveamac> the AbuseFilter keeps every log action
[21:25] <ihaveamac> and all the parameters
[21:25] <ihaveamac> some of them are old_wikitext and new_wikitext (I think)
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[21:25] <ihaveamac> I can get a page's full wikitext, regardless if it exists now or not
[21:25] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Even future articles?
[21:25] <ihaveamac> however, only revisions that went through the filter
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[21:26] <ihaveamac> here's an example:
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[21:26] <ihaveamac> this page was deleted as non-notable I think
[21:26] <ihaveamac>
[21:26] <ihaveamac> National Institute of Broadcasting
[21:26] <ihaveamac> deleted
[21:27] <ihaveamac> I was reading the edit filter false positives pages, and found it there
[21:27] <ihaveamac> I clicked "details" on one of the log events, and I could see the entire page text
[21:30] <ihaveamac> I can't do it when the filter is private
[21:32] <ihaveamac> so yep, I can read the pages of speedily deleted articles:
[21:32] <ihaveamac> if the article was deleted as a copyvio, and it somehow got through a publicly-viewable edit filter (like large unwikified new article), that means we can still see the copyrighted content
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[21:33] <ihaveamac> indeed, this was deleted under G12: but we can still see it
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[21:37] <legoktm> ihaveamac: yes i filed the bug for it a while back
[21:38] <ihaveamac> there are also logs for pages that don't have a deletion log
[21:38] <legoktm> if there are serious BLP violations you can contact an oversighter
[21:38] <ihaveamac> can abuse log events be revdel'd?
[21:38] <mareklug>  <-- news updating.  7 days ago IEEE approved it as a new standard
[21:39] <mareklug> needs *
[21:39] <legoktm> ihaveamac: not yet, just oversighted
[21:39] <ihaveamac> ok
[21:39] <ihaveamac> what about copyvios?
[21:39] <legoktm> hoo is working on it
[21:39] <legoktm> um
[21:39] <legoktm> i dont think its worth oversighters time to clean that up imo
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[21:40] <ihaveamac> this is still a way for me, a normal user, to look at those
[21:40] <legoktm> i know
[21:40] <legoktm> but you have to realize
[21:40] <legoktm> this bug existed for over 2 years
[21:40] <legoktm> it isnt very high priority
[21:40] <MJ94> hey
�06[21:40] * legoktm waves
[21:40] <legoktm> and time to go back to hw.
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[21:41] <ihaveamac> ok
�06[21:41] * wolfgang42 waves to MJ94
�06[21:41] * MJ94 gives the universal sup nod to legoktm and wolfgang42 
�06[21:42] * wctaiwan knocks MJ94 on the head
[21:42] <wctaiwan> arguably more universal >.>
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[21:43] <SigmaWP> MJ94: goto?
[21:43] <wctaiwan> bahahaha
[21:43] <wctaiwan> how are you
[21:43] <MJ94> wctaiwan: tired, you?
[21:43] <MJ94> SigmaWP: eh?
[21:43] <wctaiwan> only started my winter break \o/
[21:43] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Yay!
[21:43] <wctaiwan> was up until 2 finishing a report yesterday
[21:43] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Yay!!!
[21:44] <wctaiwan> hip hip hooray etc.
�06[21:44] * MJ94 needs to write a 2-3 minute speech on himself for public speaking
[21:44] <SigmaWP> MJ94: Make sure it ends with 'workers of all countries unite'
[21:44] <wctaiwan> also giant typo in my report but too late to fix it now
[21:44] <wctaiwan> hah.
[21:44] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Typo in Chinese? :O
[21:44] <wctaiwan> yeah
[21:44] <MJ94> teacher said: i don't care if you stutter, mess up, or whatever, as long as it's remotely about you and lasts 2-3 minutes
[21:44] <MJ94> 25 points no matter what
[21:45] <MJ94> one kid went up there and literally said this
[21:45] <MJ94> hi im joe
[21:45] <wctaiwan> the input method I use depends on the pronunciation of each character, so homophones require manual tweaking.
[21:45] <wctaiwan> I missed one.
[21:45] <MJ94> one time i went to disney
[21:45] <SigmaWP> ah
[21:45] <MJ94> and i saw mickey
[21:45] <wctaiwan> .... XD
[21:45] <MJ94> mickey mouse
[21:45] <MJ94> he really gets me going
[21:45] <MJ94> i like food
[21:45] <MJ94> and he kept going
[21:45] <MJ94> and he finished with
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[21:45] <MJ94> my mom's name is nancy and my dad's name is steve
[21:46] <wctaiwan> cool.
[21:46] <MJ94> "hi I'm mj and i enjoy long walks on the beach and bubble baths"
[21:46] <wctaiwan> so basically freewriting out loud.
[21:46] <MJ94> yes
[21:47] <wolfgang42> What's the point?
[21:47] <MJ94> learning to public speak within a time limit
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[21:48] <wctaiwan> set the standards a bit low didn't they?
[21:48] <MJ94>
[21:48] <MJ94> meh
[21:49] <MJ94> wctaiwan: for our second day of class, no
[21:49] <wctaiwan> heh, fine.
[21:51] <Mkdw> Hey MJ, you gave up on the James Gwyn article.
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[21:55] <MJ94> Mkdw: school made me
[21:55] <MJ94> for a few days
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[21:57] <Shearonink> *sigh*
�06[21:57] * MJ94 looks at Shearonink 
[21:57] <Shearonink> Reading All Feedback is kind of depressing
[21:57] <wctaiwan> Wikipedia is depressing.
[21:57] <wctaiwan> .
[21:57] <Shearonink> People seem to be unable to Google
[21:57] <MJ94> what is google
[21:57] <Shearonink> they seem to think Wikipedia IS the Internet
[21:57] <Shearonink> or unable to bing! or Yahoo
[21:58] <MJ94> it's not?
[21:58] <MJ94> i thought Wikipedia was life
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[22:00] <wctaiwan> so it had come to this.
[22:00] <wctaiwan> even bing or yahoo have become verbs.
[22:00] <MJ94> wctaiwan: bing it
[22:00] <wctaiwan> sounds euphemistic.
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[22:01] <MJ94> Matthew_: bing yourself
[22:02] <MJ94> Matthew_: and then bing me
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[22:03] <MJ94> wctaiwan: woah taiwan
[22:03] <wctaiwan> huh?
[22:03] <MJ94> wctaiwan: wcTAIWAN
[22:03] <MJ94> never saw that before
[22:03] <wctaiwan> you only noticed just now...?
[22:03] <Matthew_> MJ94: Heh, strange.
�06[22:03] * SigmaWP headdesks
[22:04] <MJ94> I always read it as wicktiwan.
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[22:04] <MJ94> I'm not an idiot, I swear
[22:04] <MJ94> Right Matthew_?
[22:04] <wctaiwan> my own mental pronunciation is w-c-taiwan but eh.
[22:04] <MJ94> Right FastLizard4?
[22:04] <Matthew_> MJ94: Yeah, my name is popular :P
[22:05] <MJ94> FastLizard4: mariana said that FastLizard 1 2 and three all failed, or something.
[22:05] <MJ94> Matthew_: mine too
[22:05] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: so is mine
[22:05] <Matthew_> MJ94: Yours more so than mine :P
[22:05] <MJ94> so freaking hard to google myself
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[22:05] <Prodego> I usually read wctaiwan as wikitiwon
[22:05] <FastLizard4> MJ94: Warp core breaches
[22:05] <FastLizard4> Catastrophic, actually
[22:05] <MJ94> Prodego: ++
[22:05] <SigmaWP> How do you people pronounce my nick?
[22:05] <FastLizard4> Tragic, too.
[22:05] <JohnChrysostom> I read it as "Water Closet Taiwan".....
[22:06] <MJ94> SigmaWP
[22:06] <JohnChrysostom> "Sigma Wikipedia"
[22:06] <Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: Sigma
[22:06] <Prodego> SigmaWP: that would be Sigma W P :P
[22:06] <SigmaWP> Prodego: :D
[22:06] <Yetanotherx> It's FastLizard4! :D
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[22:06] <MJ94> Prodego: So do I.
[22:06] <Prodego> no one pronounces my nick correctly
[22:06] <wctaiwan> JohnChrysostom: sure. you're the 2047th person to say that.
[22:06] <JohnChrysostom> pro-day-go?
[22:06] <SigmaWP> Prodego: Pro-day-go?
[22:06] <MJ94> Pro deg-oh or Pro-dee-go?
[22:06] <mareklug> Prodego for a while I thought you were nicked for some bay
[22:06] <Yetanotherx> Pro-day-go?
[22:06] <Jasper_Deng> Pro-de-go
[22:06] <Prodego> JohnChrysostom SigmaWP, no and no
[22:06] <SigmaWP> Dang it
[22:06] <Jasper_Deng> (short e sound)
[22:06] <JohnChrysostom> prah-deg-o
[22:06] <Prodego> MJ94: no and no
[22:06] <Prodego> JohnChrysostom: no
[22:07] <MJ94> Prodego: pro-deh-go
[22:07] <Yetanotherx> Praw-de-gaw?
[22:07] <SigmaWP> Prodego: Prawd Eego?
[22:07] <JohnChrysostom> I have NFC
[22:07] <Prodego> heheh Pro-dih-go
[22:07] <MJ94> Prodego: prodeg-o
[22:07] <JohnChrysostom> that's a long e, sigma WIKIPEDIA
[22:07] <SigmaWP> ah
[22:07] <FastLizard4> Yetanotherx: Ohai
[22:07] <MJ94> prodigo?
[22:07] <Prodego> pro-di-go
[22:07] <Prodego> where di is like dither
[22:07] <MJ94> pro die go?
[22:07] <MJ94> how do you all pronounce my name?
[22:08] <wctaiwan> "idiot"
�06[22:08] * wctaiwan ducks
[22:08] <MJ94> wctaiwan: >_>
[22:08] <Yetanotherx> short i
[22:08] <SigmaWP> em jay ninety four
[22:08] <MJ94> SigmaWP: :S
[22:08] <MJ94> :D*
[22:08] <MJ94> wctaiwan: plzstfu
[22:08] <Yetanotherx> My name's fairly simple. :(
[22:08] <MJ94> wctaiwan: I can never YET ANOTHER 10
[22:08] <MJ94> er
[22:08] <MJ94> wrong line
[22:09] <wctaiwan> lol?
[22:09] <Prodego> Yetanotherx: Yeta-no-the-R-X
[22:09] <Prodego> obviously
[22:09] <Yetanotherx> Flawless victory
[22:09] <MJ94> wctaiwan: I can never find info on myself unless I google "Michael Jackson NASCAR"
[22:09] <Yetanotherx> It stands for "Yeta", no the prescription.
[22:10] <MJ94> Yetanotherx: I thought you just get dumped a lot
[22:10] <Yetanotherx> Lol, no.
[22:10] <Prodego> Yetanotherx is a Wikipedian, he is never dumped
[22:10] <Prodego> because he doesn't ever date anyone
[22:10] <wctaiwan> hah
[22:10] <wctaiwan> was going to say that
[22:10] <Yetanotherx> That
[22:10] <Yetanotherx> That's cold.
[22:10] <MJ94> I have a girlfriend, who's Proud of me?
[22:11] <MJ94> proud*
�06[22:11] * Prodego lynches MJ94 
[22:11] <Yetanotherx> MJ94: Me too! High five1
[22:11] <wctaiwan> MJ94: she'll dump you as soon as she finds out you edit wikipedia.
[22:11] <MJ94> and I'm disabled so I have quadraswag or something
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[22:11] <legoktm> yay there are wikipedians who have real lives!
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[22:11] <MJ94> wctaiwan: phase one, show girlfriend IRC
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[22:11] <wctaiwan> legoktm: they're just shitting us.
[22:11] <MJ94> complete
[22:11] <Yetanotherx> real life! High five!
[22:11] <MJ94> she loves it
[22:11] <Yetanotherx> Someone?
[22:11] <Prodego> very nice! </borat>
[22:11] <Yetanotherx> Anyone?
[22:11] <wctaiwan> legoktm: homework handed in?
[22:11] <SigmaWP> [22:11:02] �<�Prodego�>�� Yetanotherx is a Wikipedian, he is never dumped
[22:12] <SigmaWP> use Data::Dumper;
[22:12] <Yetanotherx> I am not putting this hand down until I get a high five!
[22:12] <SigmaWP> print "Ha\n";
[22:12] <Yetanotherx> SigmaWP: Eww, perl
[22:12] <SigmaWP> perl > php
�06[22:12] * wctaiwan axes Yetanotherx's hand off
[22:12] <Yetanotherx> SigmaWP: Well no shit.
[22:12] <wctaiwan> is axe a verb?
[22:12] <SigmaWP> Or should I say, perl gt php?
[22:12] <wctaiwan> hm.
[22:12] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: yes
[22:12] <MJ94> msg wctaiwan :D
[22:12] <MJ94> oops
[22:12] <wctaiwan> fail :p
[22:12] <Yetanotherx> In the two years I was gone from Wikipedia, I never saw anyone use perl. And then I came back, and then there was perl everywhere
[22:12] <wctaiwan> I got it regardless :p
[22:12] <mareklug> wctaiwan sure.  she axed him a question.
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[22:13] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Look at them
[22:13] <wctaiwan> mareklug: sorry me no speak english so good.
[22:13] <SigmaWP> They're freaking reds
[22:13] <Prodego> well we all know if you were Magnus Manske you would have written phase2 in assembly, but sadly no
[22:13] <SigmaWP> Let the hate flow through you
[22:13] <MJ94> SigmaWP: what is love
[22:13] <Yetanotherx> Pfff, I could have done it.
[22:13] <MJ94> BABY DON'T HURT ME
[22:13] <Yetanotherx> I did take Assembly 101, you know! :D
[22:13] <MJ94> DON'T HURT ME
[22:13] <MJ94> NO MORE
�06[22:13] * MJ94 spasms
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[22:13] <MJ94> woahOHOHOHHHH
[22:13] <MJ94> WOAHHHH
[22:13] <MJ94> OOOOOOOO
[22:14] <Prodego> /kick MJ94
[22:14] <Prodego> * You're not a channel operator in #wikipedia-en
[22:14] <Prodego> :(
[22:14] <SigmaWP> :(
[22:14] <MJ94> Pr:(
[22:14] <MJ94> mine has a gangster hat
[22:14] <Yetanotherx> Prodego: I took assembly, AND I LIKED IT.
[22:14] <MJ94> Yetanotherx: TASTE OF ITS CHERRY CHAPSTICK
[22:14] <Prodego> /kline Yetanotherx
[22:14] <Prodego> * Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator
[22:14] <Prodego> :(
[22:15] <SigmaWP> :(
[22:15] <wctaiwan> calm down folks.
[22:15] <Yetanotherx> MJ94: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON.
[22:15] <legoktm> Yetanotherx: is assembly worth learning>
[22:15] <MJ94> P:(
[22:15] <Prodego> Actually assembly isn't so bad
[22:15] <SigmaWP> legoktm: yes
[22:15] <mareklug> Yetanotherx Katy Prry, obviously
[22:15] <Prodego> as long as you don't try to do anything
[22:15] <mareklug> e
[22:15] <MJ94> Yetanotherx: penis
[22:15] <Yetanotherx> legoktm: Depends. It's a good way to learn how memory and everything works.
[22:15] <wctaiwan> I'm debating whether to take compiler design
[22:15] <SigmaWP> If you're going to write something for a hardware
[22:15] <SigmaWP> or a very fast game
�06[22:15] * legoktm will consider it
[22:15] <Yetanotherx> I didn't understand pointers.
[22:15] <Yetanotherx> Then I took assembly.
[22:15] <Yetanotherx> Now I get pointers.
[22:15] <Prodego> Yetanotherx: that's where I see the value, in understanding what is fast and what is not and why
[22:15] <MJ94> legoktm: where did you get the idea for your name?
[22:15] <Yetanotherx> Exactly.
[22:16] <MJ94> I read it as legokim or lego k-t-m
[22:16] <Yetanotherx> It's not abotu the language, but about how the computer is organized.
[22:16] <Prodego> by the way, remember you can win cash for disambiguation!
[22:16] <Prodego> see topic!
[22:16] <legoktm> MJ94: lego space k-t-m. ktm are my initials
[22:16] <Yetanotherx> A whole 10 bucks per thousand articled. :D
[22:16] <Prodego> Yetanotherx: shhhhh
[22:17] <Yetanotherx> Better than nothing
[22:17] <Yetanotherx> Should offer prizes for fixing [citation needed]
[22:17] <Prodego> its not about the money, its about the satisfaction that you saved lots of people about 10 seconds of reading a disambig page and then clicking
[22:17] <SigmaWP> The first place prize will equal one cent for every fix over 2,500, up to a maximum of $100 for 12,500 links fixed
[22:18] <Yetanotherx> legoktm: I learned Freescale HCS12 language, which is also fairly simply to pick up, but it's not as full-featured as x86 assembly or anything like that.
[22:18] <SigmaWP> Looks like it's time to write a tool that does dab
[22:18] <MJ94> I have a backache
[22:18] <Prodego> SigmaWP: well unfortunately it can't be fully automated
[22:18] <MJ94> Prodego: how much for a massage
[22:18] <Yetanotherx> SigmaWP: AWB does that, doesn't it?
[22:18] <Prodego> MJ94: I don't know, read the link
[22:18] <SigmaWP> Yetanotherx: But it's written in .NET
[22:18] <SigmaWP> We need a pure cross platform tool written in Python
[22:18] <Yetanotherx> So?
[22:18] <Yetanotherx> Wine
[22:19] <Yetanotherx> Also, why not just use AWB?
[22:19] <SigmaWP> Good question
[22:19] <legoktm> AWB doesn't work on OSX/Linux.
[22:19] <Yetanotherx> 1) Wine 2) Dual boot
[22:19] <Yetanotherx> 3) Fucking AWB, why do so many tools get written in C#?
[22:19] <legoktm> 1) Doesn't work perfectly for me 2) Ewwww
[22:19] <legoktm> 3) Huggle.
[22:19] <Yetanotherx> 2) is what I do.
[22:20] <Yetanotherx> Don't remind me.
[22:20] <Yetanotherx> That tool isn't dead yet?
[22:20] <SigmaWP> Sadly :(
[22:20] <Yetanotherx> Gurch wrote it as a hack. And then it became popualr. And it's not dead yet.
[22:20] <SigmaWP> STiki has had an unprecendented surge in populatiry recently
�06[22:20] * Yetanotherx liked igloo, it worked cross-platform
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[22:20] <Yetanotherx> The only reason it became popular is because it was the first program to really automate the process, and it was effective.
[22:21] <SigmaWP> <-- ._.
[22:21] <Yetanotherx> Hell, Gurch never intended for it to become popular.
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[22:21] <Prodego> pssft huggle is for wimps
[22:21] <Yetanotherx> SigmaWP: So... github?
[22:21] <Prodego> Crypto Dirk's vandal fighter
[22:21] <Prodego> now that is where it is at
[22:21] <SigmaWP> Yetanotherx: Exactly what I thought
[22:21] <SigmaWP> But I like how he talked about 'program codes'
[22:22] <SigmaWP> :P
[22:22] <Yetanotherx> Prodego: No, Amidaniel's vandal fighter!
[22:22] <Prodego> sorry, Derk
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[22:22] <legoktm> VandalProof!
[22:22] <Yetanotherx> That's it!
[22:22] <Prodego> Yetanotherx: yes, I was one of the first users of that tool
[22:22] <Prodego> I forgot about it actually
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[22:22] <Yetanotherx> That one got killed by Huggle.
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[22:22] <Prodego> but  Crypto Derk's vandal fighter was what I used before I became an admin
[22:22] <Yetanotherx> It's strange that more tools aren't written in Java.
[22:22] <Yetanotherx> It's so similar to C#, and it's cross platform
[22:22] <Prodego> which possibly none of you remember
[22:23] <Yetanotherx> Huggle was the first I could stand to use.
[22:23] <Prodego> this is what it looked like -
[22:23] <Yetanotherx> Prodego: Alas, I may be old, but I'm not that old.
[22:23] <JohnChrysostom> I'm only 73!
[22:23] <Prodego> it was in java by the way
[22:23] <Yetanotherx> Good for it.
[22:23] <Prodego> it wasn't worth it
[22:24] <Yetanotherx> Like I said, Huggle was the first to actually be user friendly and effective at the same time
[22:24] <JohnChrysostom> Yetanotherx: reading the previous wall of text - can you write MASM32?
[22:24] <Yetanotherx> Nope.
[22:24] <Yetanotherx> I only learned HCS12
[22:24] <JohnChrysostom> I'll have to google that
[22:24] <JohnChrysostom> although I actually can write MASM32 - I wonder what they came out with for 64 bit
[22:25] <Yetanotherx> It's a Freescale language. It's a bit different from the standard assembly languages
[22:26] <JohnChrysostom> mov eax,0fffffffx
[22:27] <Yetanotherx> That's not possible in HCS12. :(
[22:27] <Yetanotherx> I'd have to do ldx #$0fff, ldy #$ffff and use the two in combination
[22:27] <JohnChrysostom> so you can't do the cool 0/1 one-bit keylogger trick?
[22:27] <Yetanotherx> Don't know what that is, so I dunno.
[22:28] <JohnChrysostom> although I suppose that specific example is of marginal interest to the bleached-white hats
[22:28] <Yetanotherx> I was referring to the fact that it's a 16-bit processor, so you can't put 0x0fffffff into a register
[22:28] <wctaiwan> that's not why it's impossible.
[22:28] <wctaiwan> 16-bit refers to the memory address length doesn't it?
[22:28] <wctaiwan> not register size.
[22:28] <JohnChrysostom>
[22:28] <Yetanotherx> The registers are 16-bit too
[22:28] <wctaiwan> oh.
[22:29] <JohnChrysostom> I could no more write for 16 bits than for 64, methinks
[22:29] <Yetanotherx> Addresses are 16-bit, registers are 16-bit
[22:29] <wctaiwan> the only language I know properly is C :|
[22:29] <JohnChrysostom> not even C++?
[22:29] <wctaiwan> assembly is... eh.
[22:29] <wctaiwan> "properly"
[22:29] <JohnChrysostom> assembler is where all the cool shit happens
[22:29] <JohnChrysostom> assembly*
[22:29] <Prodego> #wikipedia-en-help could use some helpers
[22:29] <wctaiwan> I can work with C++ code given the task, but I have no systematic training in OOP.
[22:29] <Prodego> if anyone wants to go help there
[22:30] <wctaiwan> I would except I might be going soon. Sorry.
[22:30] <JohnChrysostom> do you have to be an admin: Prodego (pro-DAY-goh)?
[22:30] <Prodego> JohnChrysostom: Pro-dih-go, and no
[22:30] <Prodego> you just have to be able to answer the questions of people who ask questions
[22:30] <Prodego> usually they are 'I am trying to create this spam page, can you help'
[22:30] <JohnChrysostom> I'll take a look then... I've never wanted to go through the new, grueling RfA
[22:31] <JohnChrysostom> I've been questioned by the NSA enough in real life... lol
[22:31] <Yetanotherx> new?
[22:31] <JohnChrysostom> not really new... "where none get the broom" RfA
[22:32] <Yetanotherx> Welcome to 2010
[22:32] <Guerillero> what is the colloquialism for a boring and noncontroversial person
[22:32] <Guerillero> it think it starts with an M
[22:32] <JohnChrysostom> the last time I had the broom was, what, six years ago, maybe seven? and I decided, as soon as I passed, "I achieved my goal", and then slowly forgot WP (and my e-mail, and my password) until about 2009
[22:32] <mareklug> Guerillero square
[22:32] <JohnChrysostom> Milquetoast?
[22:32] <Guerillero> yes
[22:33] <Guerillero> thank you
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[22:33] <JohnChrysostom> That's an arsehole who's a doormat....
[22:33] <Yetanotherx> square totally starts with an m
[22:33] <JohnChrysostom> although, I assume, by definition, said doormat is non-controversial
[22:33] <mareklug> silent m
[22:33] <JohnChrysostom> marsehole?
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[22:34] <JohnChrysostom> Entre'acte, M'asreshole, M'lady
[22:34] <mareklug> Yetanotherx that's why human lookup is better than machine intelligence.  you can discount search cues and guid the person to better results (in your own opinion)
[22:34] <JohnChrysostom> You mean Google actually has a person on the other end (interrobang)
[22:35] <mareklug> well, funny you should say that.  google is corpus-based, so it is very much human-cued
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[22:36] <MJ94> legoktm: ping
[22:36] <legoktm> hi
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[22:36] <JohnChrysostom> Prodego: LOL, man, did you just see the latest (article for creation?) in en-help?
[22:36] <Yetanotherx> mareklug: The problem with disregarding user input like that by a machine is that if it's not what the user wanted, they lose faith in the constraint check, and stop using it.
[22:38] <mareklug> the flip side of that is that the user may be thankful for solutions that the user was unaware of, and only trigged in a thesaurus-like lookup
[22:38] <Prodego> JohnChrysostom: recall how I said the most common question is 'I am trying to create this spam page, can you help'
[22:38] <Shearonink> LOL
�06[22:39] * Shearonink actually laughs out loud
[22:39] <Shearonink> come to the land of -en-help, and it's lot os spammity-spam-spam
[22:40] <mareklug> maybe it's a good place to practice diplomatic phrasing of "do fuck off; we don't want your kind"
[22:40] <Prodego> it is
[22:41] <Shearonink> well, I try to guide them into good editing practices
[22:42] <Shearonink> and sometimes I'll say "ummm, that might not be notable enough to have aWP article."  but please stick around and fix all our mistakes etc
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[22:43] <Prodego> Shearonink: usually I say 'hey, I don't want to be the bad guy, but ..... [your article sucks and wont' be accepted and I won't be responsible if you waste your time submitting it and working on it]
[22:43] <Shearonink> or, I'll say "that musician/business/product might not be notable enough yet" but you must eb interested in can fix up those articles and learn about how to edit"
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[22:43] <Shearonink> yeah, that too Prodego
[22:43] <Shearonink> that is why I say 'not yet'
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[22:49] <JohnChrysostom> LOL... I was a bit late
[22:50] <JohnChrysostom> "Help me put an advert for this proprietary concrete cleaner on WP"
[22:51] <Prodego> JohnChrysostom: now you have to remember, some of them aren't really promoting the thing, they just think that would be a cool thing to write about
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[22:57] <JohnChrysostom> Are there actually people out there who have a passion for cleaning concrete with the latest proprietary formulae?
�06[22:57] * Prodego shrugs, and then goes and sees what your first edit was to
[22:58] <JohnChrysostom> I think it was to "Abrahamic religions", I'm not sure, though
[22:58] <Prodego> see, who cares about that
[22:58] <JohnChrysostom> that might have been before this account though
[22:58] <Prodego> it was Talk:Abrahamic religions
[22:58] <Prodego> you obvious sock you
[22:58] <JohnChrysostom> I was spot-on!
[22:59] <JohnChrysostom> I wonder if I'm the only man on Wikipedia who's never been in real trouble (defined as: worse than AN/I) who always forgets his accounts
[22:59] <JohnChrysostom> I probably had 10 between 2004 and 2006
[23:00] <JohnChrysostom> most of Wikipedia was redlinks, then
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[23:04] <Shearonink> JohnChrysostom: yes, some people do
[23:04] <Shearonink> I always assume good faith with folks who come into help
[23:04] <Shearonink> until they prove me wrong
[23:05] <Shearonink> and even if they are POV/COI (as most of them are), they can still do some good editing
[23:05] <JohnChrysostom> Isn't "hav[ing] a passion for cleaning concrete with the latest proprietary formulae..." essentially... proving you wrong?
[23:05] <Shearonink> JohnChrysostom: not necessariy
[23:06] <Shearonink> they will edit, i treat them with respect until they prove otherwise
[23:06] <Shearonink> it's my 'job
[23:06] <JohnChrysostom> Think of what I just wrote, not as hyperbole, but historico-grammatically - doesn't it send up red flags of "shill"?
[23:06] <Shearonink>  to treat them like an editor
[23:06] <Shearonink> and hope that it what they turn into
[23:06] <JohnChrysostom> I'm trying to figure out, here, where AGF ends with some of these requests
[23:06] <JohnChrysostom> so, they are honest questions
[23:07] <JohnChrysostom> I don't want to jump in and either 1) bite the newbs, or 2) end up being the enabler for spam
�06[23:07] * MJ94 yawns
�06[23:07] * MJ94 pokes Prodego with a feather
�06[23:08] * JohnChrysostom has more of a right to yawn
[23:08] <Shearonink> JohnChrysostom: If I treated every POV/COI newbie who stumbles into -en-help as what they *might* be, then there is no hope
�06[23:08] * JohnChrysostom after having had, 3/4, maybe 1 gallon of Trappist 12%
[23:08] <Shearonink> Because 90% of them are POV/COI
[23:09] <JohnChrysostom> So, the rule is, "Give even the most blatant POV-pusher/COI/advertiser gentle nudging to attempt to let them grow in to a good editor"
[23:09] <Shearonink> and part of my 'job' in-en-help is to teach them what Wikipedia is and is not
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[23:09] <Shearonink> JohnChrysostom: They come into -help and they know NOTHING about Wikipedia culture or policies or guidelines
�06[23:10] * JohnChrysostom 's Corollary: and let AN deal with it if they don't!
[23:10] <Shearonink> I sometimes tell them "I don't think that this subejct looks like it is notable"
[23:10] <Shearonink> they might listen, they might not
[23:11] <Shearonink> that's all up to them
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[23:13] <Shearonink> If they meet with immediate scorn as corporate shills, then they will NOT turn into productive editors.
�06[23:13] * Shearonink thinks JohnChrysostom should share his Trappist
[23:15] <The_Anonymouse> Vandalism-only accounts can be blocked without warning, right? I just found a case (User:Rokabluecheese) at AIV.
[23:15] <Prodego> The_Anonymouse: generally it is good to warn them because they might be testing
[23:15] <Prodego> people test with the dumbest things
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[23:16] <Shearonink> heh indeed Prodego
[23:16] <The_Anonymouse> Prodego: I'm pretty sure the user was not testing :)
[23:17] <The_Anonymouse> But yes, warning is probably a good idea for the first offense
[23:17] <Prodego> how pretty sure
[23:17] <Prodego> generally a warning is pretty cheap
[23:17] <Prodego> so it can't hurt
[23:18] <The_Anonymouse> like almost 100% – here's a diff
[23:18] <Shearonink> They seem to have a thing with that one article
[23:19] <Shearonink>
[23:19] <Shearonink> heh, the article is almost unsourced
[23:19] <The_Anonymouse> interesting... there seem to be multiple new user edits to the page recently. Sockpuppets maybe?
[23:20] <The_Anonymouse> the user names are all named after food
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[23:21] <JohnChrysostom> Shearonik: you actually know what a Trappist is?
[23:21] <JohnChrysostom> !
[23:21] <Shearonink> The_Anonymouse: all that interesting food
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[23:22] <JohnChrysostom> IME, if a vandal is a vandal and you warn them, they'll vandalize something else within the minute
[23:22] <Shearonink> JohnChrysostom: It's a type of dark *dark* beer
[23:22] <JohnChrysostom> so, indeed, a warning is cheep
[23:22] <JohnChrysostom> There are actually /some/ light Trappists
[23:22] <Shearonink> yes
[23:22] <Shearonink> some
[23:22] <JohnChrysostom> like Orval (which is dark amber brown) and Westmalle Tripel (the color of Duvel)
[23:23] <JohnChrysostom> beyond that, they tend to be brown, but are completely opaque from the yeast clouds
[23:23] <JohnChrysostom> St Bernardus, Chimay, Rochefort... oh my.
[23:24] <Mike_H> orval faubus
[23:25] <JohnChrysostom> Orval tastes like a very appetizing horse blanket that's been left to moulder in an appetizing barnyard
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[23:28] <Shearonink> heh
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[23:34] <The_Anonymouse> FYI, opened
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[23:44] <Shearonink> Quick...anyone know of a Wikipedia Good Article that is about a General?
[23:44] <Shearonink> pleeeeeeeeease
[23:44] <Shearonink> help meeeeeeeeeee
[23:44] <Shearonink> thanks
�06[23:45] * SigmaWP ponders
[23:45] <SigmaWP> Check [[Operation Alsos]] for links?
[23:47] <D_>
[23:47] <D_> Look through that, maybe
[23:47] <Shearonink> GACK
[23:47] <Shearonink> how did you do that'cripes, I never know how to find junk around here
[23:48] <D_> Wikiprojects will usually have lists of articles by quality assessment
[23:51] <The_Anonymouse> can't seem to find any GAs; all are FA or B-class
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[00:04] <Isarra> I love you guya.
[00:04] <Isarra> s
[00:04] <Isarra> s
[00:04] <Isarra> I'm lso too tired to type.
[00:04] <Isarra> also
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[00:11] <WillPittenger> Can someone delete [[File:User-Will Pittenger.jpg]]?  I'm switching it to Commons.  Actually, that version is a later photo of me.
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[00:13] <WillPittenger> The new version is [[Commons:File:User- Will Pittenger.jpg]].  So any existing links should still work.
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[00:18] <SigmaWP> Someone'll get it
[00:18] <SigmaWP> I wish I could
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[00:18] <SigmaWP> Guerillero: ^
[00:18] <Guerillero> one cec
[00:18] <Guerillero> sec*
[00:19] <Guerillero> gone
[00:20] <WillPittenger> Thanks.
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[00:21] <WillPittenger> I was going to put the new image on WP with the same name, but WP was balking about actually displaying the new image outside history. :p
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[00:52] <russavia> mareklug -- they have killed a classic livery --
[00:54] <legoktm> Franco|Andro|AFK: sheesh, at least pick a shorter name this time around :/
[00:54] <Franco|Andro|AFK> stalking much? ;)
[00:55] <Franco|Andro|AFK> and it's several characters shorter :P
[00:55] <Jasper_Deng> Franco|Andro|AFK your existing username was fine with me, but that's just my opinion
[00:56] <Franco|Andro|AFK> legoktm: 11 characters shorter :P
[00:56] <Franco|Andro|AFK> out of 24. so almost halved
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[00:57] <PinkAmpersand> Jasper_Deng: Yeah, but... idk, didn't really feel right anymore
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[00:58] <legoktm> better i guess
[00:58] <legoktm> now you're irc nick is longer :/
[00:58] <legoktm> your*
[00:58] <The_Anonymouse> simpler at least
[00:58] <legoktm> wow i'm tired
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[01:36] <Seddon> woop :)
[01:36] <Seddon> thank fuck for that
[01:36] <Seddon> running chatzilla independently of Firefox
[01:36] <Seddon> its taking me 5 years to get around to doing this
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[01:40] <legoktm> :D
[01:43] <Bsadowski1> Seddon: Why not use a standalone IRC client (not related to Firefox)
[01:43] <Bsadowski1> :P
[01:43] <Seddon> I have used many and I always find myself coming back to chatzilla
[01:44] <Bsadowski1> So you tried: KvIRC, irssi, mIRC, X-Chat (and its forks such as HexChat), etc?
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[01:49] <Bsadowski1> @ Seddon
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[01:51] <Seddon> iv used mirc, miranda and pidgin for irc
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[02:42] <Steven_Zhang> Seddon: you mean :P
[02:42] <Steven_Zhang> being aussie is normally not bad
[02:42] <Steven_Zhang> just today
[02:42] <Steven_Zhang> since we got our asses handed to us by Sri Lanka
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[02:47] <legoktm> Steven_Zhang: you watch cricket?
[02:48] <Steven_Zhang> i /play/ cricket
[02:48] <Steven_Zhang> and I also watch cricket
[02:48] <legoktm> :o
[02:48] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[02:48] <Steven_Zhang> it was a crappy batting pitch, but still, all out for 74 is unacceptable
[02:49] <Steven_Zhang> I hate living in Australia
[02:49] <Steven_Zhang> ie, a "new" TV show
[02:49] <Steven_Zhang> has actually been around for 4 mths in the US
[02:49] <Steven_Zhang> >_>
[02:50] <legoktm> 74???
[02:50] <legoktm> ouch
[02:52] <Steven_Zhang> yeah
[02:52] <Steven_Zhang> I bat in the middle order and I can make that on a good day by myself
[02:52] <Steven_Zhang> for a world class team though… :|
[02:58] <closedmouth> 74...
[02:58] <Chris_G> serves 'em right (I don't like them  :P)
[02:59] <legoktm> hahaha
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[03:20] <Bellamy> morning noobs
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[03:21] <closedmouth> morning saibots
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[03:30] <Qcoder00> It's snowing <seethe>
[03:31] <legoktm> Qcoder00: Legobot is running :D
[03:32] <Qcoder00> Grat
[03:32] <Qcoder00> Great
[03:32] <Qcoder00> I have another task for you at some point
[03:32] <Qcoder00> :)
[03:32] <legoktm> :/
[03:32] <Qcoder00> Don't worry it probably isn't more than 2000 entries
[03:33] <legoktm> better be easy :P
[03:34] <Qcoder00> legoktm: Place all images with both a non-free and free licence in to a n admin  category: [[Category:Images with free and non-free licenses]]
[03:34] <Qcoder00> Please note that NOT all of these will need to be fixed :)
[03:35] <legoktm> hm
[03:35] <Qcoder00> Skip images tagged {{photo of art}}
[03:35] <legoktm> i think that can be done better as a database report
[03:35] <Qcoder00> It is already
[03:35] <Qcoder00> But someone needs to tweak the configuration
[03:35] <Qcoder00> because {{photo of art}}items are shown in it , when they aren't technically incorrect
[03:36] <legoktm> link me to the report?
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[03:48] <Qcoder00>
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[04:04] <Vacation9> legoktm: are you there?
�06[04:04] * legoktm waves
[04:04] <Vacation9> I answered your question on my talk
[04:05] <legoktm> will take a look
[04:05] <Vacation9> ok
[04:09] <legoktm> responded :)
[04:09] <Vacation9> kk
[04:09] <Vacation9> well for blocking it's kind of the same thing, redundant
[04:10] <Vacation9> you already have their reverted edits to count
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[04:11] <Vacation9> replied again
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[04:13] <Guest8889> Hi :D
[04:13] <Guest8889> good morning
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[04:13] <Vacation9> Hello there Carly
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[04:13] <DFrostedGirl> Hi Vacation9 :D
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[04:21] <legoktm> Qcoder00: sigh the bot crashed on this :/
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[04:22] <Qcoder00> Skip those
[04:22] <Qcoder00> ;)
[04:22] <Qcoder00> And that may be a textlogo anyway
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[04:24] <Qcoder00> - was one it missed becuase of the use of the old styl fur template call
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[04:26] <legoktm> might have, i can test it later
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[05:07] <YuviPanda> kondi: yo
[05:07] <YuviPanda> thanks for the pull req ;)
[05:08] <YuviPanda> added comments
[05:08] <kondi> YuviPanda: :)
�06[05:08] * kondi looks
[05:08] <Steven_Zhang> hey Y_Ichiro
[05:08] <Steven_Zhang> er, YuviPanda
[05:08] <Steven_Zhang> :P
�06[05:09] * kondi is feeling idiotic
�06[05:09] * YuviPanda hangs head in shame at Steven_Zhang
[05:09] <Steven_Zhang> why? :P
[05:10] <YuviPanda> Steven_Zhang: because i still haven't finished it
[05:10] <Steven_Zhang> this is true :P
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[05:10] <YuviPanda> it is yes
[05:10] <Steven_Zhang> my wikimedia email address doesn't work anymore :(
[05:11] <Steven_Zhang> as of about 12 hours ago
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[05:15] <kondi> YuviPanda: will send another req.
[05:15] <YuviPanda> kondi: awesome
[05:15] <YuviPanda> Steven_Zhang: :(
[05:15] <kondi> YuviPanda: then the token in self should be removed since the caching is to be done by user
[05:16] <YuviPanda> kondi: yes, self.tokens shouldn't exist
[05:17] <YuviPanda> i think I killed it no?
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[05:17] <kondi> YuviPanda: cool
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[05:46] <Bellamy> hey
[05:46] <Carly> hi  :)
[05:46] <Bellamy> u ok?
[05:46] <Carly> o.o yes
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[05:46] <Bellamy> ok
[05:47] <Bellamy> is anyone from last night on now?
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[05:52] <petan> o.o
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[05:54] <mattbuck> cambridge people
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[05:57] <Carly_> -_-
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[05:58] <Qcoder00> Notabilty enquiry
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[05:58] <Qcoder00> When do weather events (like the recent UK snow ) become notable?
[05:59] <Qcoder00> Winter snow is not unexpected in parts of the UK so I don't think it's off itself notable...
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[05:59] <mattbuck> not sure
[05:59] <Qcoder00> But is there a set of annual 'metrological' impact articles for Europe?
[05:59] <mattbuck> that said, it didn't used to snow regularly
[05:59] <mattbuck> not during the 90s
[05:59] <mattbuck> or at least, if it did, I didn't notice it
[06:00] <Qcoder00> True. but prior to around 1987 or so , winter snowfalll WAS an expectation
[06:00] <Qcoder00> In general heatwaves probably don't count if they are a regular occurunce
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[06:01] <Qcoder00> Proposal : Rather than have continual debates about what constitutes a 'freak' event, it might be worth having 'annual' articles
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[06:02] <wctaiwan> o/ foks
[06:02] <wctaiwan> long time no see.
[06:02] <Qcoder00> from which genuinely 'freak' events (like the 2011 cold snap) could be split
[06:03] <foks> Howdy :3
[06:08] <mattbuck> ok
[06:08] <mattbuck> do it
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[06:12] <Qcoder00>
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[06:16] <Alchimista> Qcoder00: what do you mena with "But is there a set of annual 'metrological' impact articles for Europe?"
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[06:17] <Qcoder00> Alchemista: I mean is there a set of general articles...
[06:17] <Qcoder00> Which cover the impact of weather events for each year
[06:17] <Alchimista> Ah articles. i thought you where looking for a database.
[06:18] <Qcoder00> No
[06:18] <Qcoder00> Although somebody presumably keeps weather impact records ( probably insurers do)
[06:19] <Alchimista> thre is two or three big databases recording it, EU does it, i know some uni does it and an NGO too, but can't remember the names
[06:20] <Alchimista> AH, found one:
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[06:25] <wctaiwan> is anyone going to yell at me if I kill the silly all-lowercase?
[06:25] <wctaiwan> it doesn't make the thing look more friendly, just less professional.
[06:27] <foks> looks fine to me :/
[06:27] <foks> I quite like that though.
[06:27] <wctaiwan> meh.
[06:27] <wctaiwan> it does seem more common in the UK
[06:27] <wctaiwan> all that humanist sans serif and lowercasing
[06:28] <foks> It's just to make things look more contemporary
[06:28] <foks> Personally I like that as it strikes me as more accessible.
[06:28] <foks> But that's opinion.
[06:28] <wctaiwan> yup, in this day and age no one bothers to capitalise properly anymore :p
[06:28] <wctaiwan> as is what I said, but okay, I'll leave it be.
[06:29] <foks> well it's not laziness; it's quite deliberate
[06:29] <foks> but alright
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[06:40] <Guest85716> hi
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[06:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> breaking news is so broken
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[06:44] <for_> exactly
[06:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> for_ so
[06:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as an uninterested party can we talk in pm?
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[06:47] <YuviPanda> kondi: they haven't even responsed to my email saying i won't be coming
[06:48] <kondi> YuviPanda: to my emails too. This is bad
[06:48] <YuviPanda> I'm glad I pulled ut
[06:48] <YuviPanda> *out
[06:48] <YuviPanda> Imagine landing up there, calling them for 5-6 hours
[06:48] <YuviPanda> and not getting a response.
[06:49] <kondi> YuviPanda: don't tell me that now
[06:49] <YuviPanda> I'm not asking to be treated royally, but is it too much to ask for a damn response?
[06:49] <kondi> YuviPanda: what if I call them and they don't have accommodation arranged for me :P
[06:49] <YuviPanda> that's actually a very high possibility
[06:49] <YuviPanda> if I were you, I'd double, triple check :P
[06:50] <kondi> YuviPanda: hmm. If that happens, I don't exactly know what I'd do.
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[06:51] <YuviPanda> kondi: also readup whatever happened to SrikanthR at NITT a year or two ago
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[06:51] <YuviPanda> sounds like that in the making, this one
[06:51] <wctaiwan> YuviPanda: where are you going?
[06:51] <YuviPanda> wctaiwan: I'm not going anywhere :D
[06:51] <kondi> YuviPanda: y u scare me?
[06:52] <YuviPanda> kondi: is going to a wiki workshop in Goa
[06:52] <wctaiwan> ah
[06:52] <YuviPanda> kondi: dude, better do due diligence now than be stranded later
[06:52] <YuviPanda> wctaiwan: I was supposed to do a technical workshop there
[06:52] <YuviPanda> but pulled out due to unprofessional behavior from the organizers
[06:52] <wctaiwan> ah.
[06:52] <kondi> YuviPanda: of course
[06:52] <YuviPanda> which amounts to essentially not replying to email at all
[06:53] <YuviPanda> going 'this is urgent, we need to put it up on the site tonight'
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[06:53] <YuviPanda> and then when I give them material, not putting those up for a week or two?
[06:53] <YuviPanda> kondi: is this up on their website?
[06:53] <kondi> YuviPanda: yes
[06:53] <YuviPanda> link?
[06:53] <kondi> he told me the same thing like 5 times
[06:54] <kondi> YuviPanda: hang on
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[07:47] <YuviPanda> kondi: any luck talking to him?
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[08:00] <kondi> YuviPanda: was away. called him couple of times
[08:00] <YuviPanda> did he pick up?
[08:00] <kondi> YuviPanda: no
[08:00] <kondi> YuviPanda: bugger is avoiding
[08:01] <YuviPanda> eugh
[08:01] <kondi> I'll call him tomorrow
[08:01] <YuviPanda> kondi: PM me his number again?
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[08:13] <FiveThirtyEight> PinkAmperand: changed your username?
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[08:22] <Isarra> Wood panelling.
[08:22] <Isarra> Is it not a fascinating subject?
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[08:26] <FiveThirtyEight> Here, let me close that tag for you.
[08:26] <FiveThirtyEight> </sarcasm>
[08:27] <JohnLewis> Qcoder00 :)
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[08:32] <wctaiwan> FiveThirtyEight: Syntax error: Mismatched closing tag.
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[09:01] <Qcoder00> Evening
[09:01] <Qcoder00> Snow :(
[09:02] <SuicidalZerg>
[09:02] <JohnLewis> It is snowing alot Qcoder00 :)
[09:02] <SuicidalZerg> Why. Why does it have to be... MY senator?
[09:02] <FiveThirtyEight> Obey being Obey.
[09:02] <SuicidalZerg> Games already have rating labels
[09:03] <SoapX> it's snowing in the UK ??
[09:03] <SoapX> coool
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[09:04] <addshore> yep :/
[09:05] <JohnLewis> Supposed to be around 6 inches at some ponit during the weekend.
[09:06] <addshore> :/
[09:06] <addshore> JohnLewis, where about are you from?
[09:06] <JohnLewis> Bassetlaw region.
[09:07] <addshore> haha :P youll be getting moore snow than me then :P
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[09:07] <JohnLewis> Which region are you?
[09:07] <addshore> I am currently in Bristol :)
[09:08] <Qcoder00> Sucidal Zerg - the The Paranoia comment in the comments is telling :)
[09:08] <JohnLewis> Nice.
[09:08] <Qcoder00> Why not just implement Sharia and have done with it ?
[09:08] <Qcoder00> XD
[09:08] <Qcoder00> ^Christan Sharia
[09:08] <Qcoder00> I.e Ban anything that isn't directly in the bible
[09:08] <Qcoder00> ;)
[09:09] <Qcoder00> Like Pork, Gambling, Booze,  Music, Sports
[09:09] <Qcoder00> etc
[09:09] <Qcoder00> It's a shame that they cant actually ban the problem which is criminally nelgigent mental health provision
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[09:13] <BlastHardcheese> pretty sure all those are in the bible except maybe pork
[09:13] <BlastHardcheese> as is incest, rape, and slaughtering people of different religions
[09:14] <Qcoder00> As is polygamy, slavery etc...
[09:16] <mattbuck> ban computers, air travel, tv?
[09:16] <mattbuck> nothing wrong with polygamy Qcoder00
[09:16] <Qcoder00> True
[09:16] <Qcoder00> BTW mattbuck - I'd like a word with you about a Wikivoyage matter
[09:17] <foks> we could go one step further and ban toilets
[09:17] <mattbuck> Indeed? Shall we adjourn to my private parlour?
[09:17] <mattbuck> toilets are barely in any book
[09:17] <foks> nobody poops in the bible
[09:17] <foks> therefore it is sinful
[09:18] <mattbuck> the whole of star trek.... I think they have a few showers, but no one ever uses the toilet
[09:19] <Qcoder00> Well by the time of TBG trhey don't need them due to replicator / transporter tech...
[09:19] <Qcoder00> *TNG
[09:19] <Qcoder00> You can 'beam' the shit of out of people...
[09:19] <mattbuck> that seems like an inredibly wasteful and dangerous idea
[09:20] <Qcoder00> It gets beamed out of them for carbon compound re-cycling
[09:23] <SoapX> there was King Eglon, who was stabbed on the toilet according to some readings of the story
[09:24] <SoapX> it's jus that it's written in a euphemism so we cant be sure what was actually meant
[09:24] <mattbuck> it would be a lot easier to recycle it after it comes out
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[09:55] <PeterSymonds> What a peculiar world you occupy.
[09:56] <Qcoder00> At least it's a seriosu academic thought
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[10:10] <mattbuck> ugh. I hate it when you're reading something you wrote 7 years ago and you find an obvious spelling mistake.
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[10:29] <addshore> any here have any idea how I can add somehting on the url of a delete page to automaticly push the delete button?
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[10:30] <geniice> that sounds like a spectacularly bad idea
[10:30] <addshore> ignore
[10:30] <addshore> geniice, no :P
[10:30] <addshore> its a stunning idea :)
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[10:34] <geniice> A "total fantasist" who posted gruesome videos on Facebook of al-Qaeda beheading captives has been jailed for five years.
[10:34] <geniice> wait thats illegal?
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[10:41] <YuviPanda> addshore: that's technically not supposed to be possible
[10:41] <YuviPanda> since destructive actions are supposed to be POSTs
[10:41] <YuviPanda> which you can't trigger with an URL
[10:41] <addshore> :<
[10:41] <addshore> time to use the api? :/
[10:41] <YuviPanda> of course, we don't follow this for everything (most obvious example being watch)
[10:42] <YuviPanda> yes
[10:42] <addshore> hmm
[10:42] <YuviPanda> you need to use the API if you want to do that
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[10:44] <addshore> hmmm
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[11:03] <iDangerMouse> am I the devil?
[11:04] <PeterSymonds> No. Even he cowered on hearing your name.
[11:05] <iDangerMouse> Interesting,
[11:08] <iDangerMouse> PeterSymonds: Well, I won my case at the Canadian Foreign Office :)
[11:08] <PeterSymonds> What case?
[11:09] <BlastHardcheese> he was accused of smuggling tim horton's out of canada
[11:09] <iDangerMouse> Um no,
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[11:09] <Dcoetzee> BlastHardcheese: Tim Hortons already has outlets in the US :-P
[11:09] <iDangerMouse> They were refusing to issue me a PR (Permanent Residency).
[11:10] <Dcoetzee> iDangerMouse: Grats :-)
[11:10] <iDangerMouse> Thank you.
[11:10] <iDangerMouse> I got a refund too :D
[11:11] <Dcoetzee> Woo!
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[11:14] <iDangerMouse> Dcoetzee: Yeah, but took like 4 years, and medicals etc will be issued by April-Sept.... then another 3-4 months for passport request.
[11:14] <iDangerMouse> My passport going through London, Ankara, and Islamabad.
[11:14] <Dcoetzee> :-( Pain in the ass
[11:15] <Dcoetzee> But at least it's over now
[11:15] <iDangerMouse> Yes another 1 year and 6 months to go
[11:15] <iDangerMouse> But at least is over.
[11:16] <iDangerMouse> B355
[11:16] <iDangerMouse> Sorry typo, better than seeking asylum.
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[11:22] <iDangerMouse> I remember la_pianista  from the movie, The Piano.
[11:22] <KimiNewt> The Pianist?
�06[11:22] * la_pianista is kind of a big deal.
[11:22] <iDangerMouse> No, "The Piano" 1993.
�06[11:22] * la_pianista brushes some dust off her shoulder
[11:22] <la_pianista> B)
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[11:23] <iDangerMouse> How are you la_pianista been a while :)
[11:23] <iDangerMouse>
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[11:23] <la_pianista> done with classes for the day, just relaxing before a lunch date with a nice fellow ^.^
[11:24] <la_pianista> a good day indeed
[11:24] <la_pianista> how are you?
[11:24] <KimiNewt> you're gay?
[11:24] <iDangerMouse> I am okay, and Kimi is drunk I presume :D
[11:24] <KimiNewt> I'm not
[11:24] <iDangerMouse> Actually, I am celebrating!
[11:24] <KimiNewt> It was a bit of a joke
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[11:24] <KimiNewt> Showing that gay people are more common here than women
[11:25] <KimiNewt> no women on the 'nets &c.
�06[11:25] * la_pianista is gay in the skip-and-sing-flamboyant-numbers-from-hit-musicals sense, yes
[11:25] <KimiNewt> Incidentally, on the internet nobody knows you're a newt
[11:25] <la_pianista> o wait that also can be construed as actually gay
[11:25] <la_pianista> ( ;D )
[11:25] <KimiNewt> (I got better)
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[11:25] <iDangerMouse> I am eating, sorry :D
[11:25] <KimiNewt> So you're not gay but you're having a date with a guy?
[11:25] <KimiNewt> I think you're wasting his time
[11:25] <Carly> iDangerMouse: O.O
[11:25] <Carly> Hi
[11:25] <KimiNewt> Probably has some different ideas
[11:25] <Carly> :p
[11:26] <la_pianista> I'm actually a sentient blow-up doll
[11:26] <Carly> Hola
[11:26] <Carly> :D
[11:26] <KimiNewt> hate those
[11:26] <la_pianista> o/
[11:26] <KimiNewt> no offense to you
[11:26] <KimiNewt> But I was with 'nam with one of those
�06[11:26] * iDangerMouse pokes la_pianista 
[11:26] <KimiNewt> I saw him kill a bear with his bare hands
�06[11:26] * la_pianista squeaks
[11:26] <KimiNewt> and that bear was my father
[11:27] <la_pianista> careful with my skin! I was born with a delicate condition
[11:27] <iDangerMouse> Hi Carly
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[11:27] <la_pianista> non sequitur
[11:27] <la_pianista> (kind of)
[11:29] <iDangerMouse> What should I listen to Chopin, Bagpipes, or Vivaldi?
[11:30] <la_pianista> neither
[11:30] <iDangerMouse> And please don't say Debussy :P
[11:30] <la_pianista> Brahms
[11:30] <la_pianista> eugh debussy
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[11:30] <la_pianista> brahms second concerto
[11:30] <la_pianista> zimerman/bernstein
[11:30] <la_pianista> vienna phil.
[11:30] <la_pianista> it's on youtube…let me see
[11:31] <PinkAmpersand> la_pianista: don't like Débussy?! O_o
[11:31] <la_pianista>
[11:31] <iDangerMouse> Too far, its on my other HDD, and I have to get up and walk to the desk :(
[11:31] <la_pianista> PinkAmpersand: we just went through an intense debussy festival last semester
[11:31] <la_pianista> I was part of a 3-hour long debussy concert...
[11:31] <la_pianista> it's still not out of my system, haha
[11:32] <iDangerMouse> I wonder if my Chopin recording is still on YouTube.
[11:32] <PinkAmpersand> wow haha. but i find i tend to like music i study strenuously. I can still sing a good chunk of Mozart's Requiem, and I've never not liked it
[11:32] <la_pianista> well, I like the pieces I play because I pick them ;)
[11:32] <PinkAmpersand> haha
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[11:33] <la_pianista> but as far as listening material…brahms just tugs at your heart strings in a way few other composers can, at least to me
[11:33] <iDangerMouse> la_pianista:  here played this a while back!
[11:34] <PinkAmpersand> I know this guy (read: have a huge crush on this guy) who literally plays Claire de Lune better than whichever legendary pianist it is who's in the recording our music teacher always plays
[11:34] <ShreCk> Hello
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[11:34] <la_pianista> lol claire de lune
[11:34] <PinkAmpersand> :(
[11:34] <la_pianista> nice piece, but…victor borge wasn't all wrong when he nicknamed it "clear the saloon" ;)
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[11:34] <iDangerMouse> Do I see the C word when I see Fluff :P
[11:35] <la_pianista> iDangerMouse: this is really cool, but I'm having trouble hearing the polonaise xD
[11:35] <la_pianista> I like the feel, though
[11:35] <iDangerMouse> * I meant say grr eating my pizza.
[11:35] <Carly> :p
[11:35] <la_pianista> you mean the a major "military" polonaise?
[11:35] <la_pianista> or is this one I haven't heard before
[11:35] <iDangerMouse> :D
[11:35] <PinkAmpersand> la_pianista: well all I can say is you haven't heard this kid play it
[11:35] <iDangerMouse> That's the point :D
[11:35] <iDangerMouse> No one has :P
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[11:36] <iDangerMouse> A bit of variation
[11:36] <PinkAmpersand> I always feel like Lucy van Pelt listening to Schroeder
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�06[11:37] * la_pianista still does not get what's so sexy about musicians >.>
[11:37] <Carly> >_<
[11:37] <la_pianista> I think men who do manual work are sexy
[11:37] <la_pianista> men who cook are *really* sexy
[11:38] <la_pianista> musicians…I guess I'm just around them too much, heh
[11:38] <la_pianista> like
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[11:38] <la_pianista> I can be attracted to someone, someone *ridiculously gorgeous*
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[11:38] <la_pianista> and then they can sit down and play, and then I put my GRR GRR JUDGEMENTAL GOGGLES on
[11:38] <la_pianista> (against my will)
[11:38] <la_pianista> and then the illusion is shattered
[11:38] <la_pianista> I can't date other pianists :p
[11:38] <PinkAmpersand> well, i guess it's because i'm not a musician
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[11:39] <la_pianista> …which is why my boyfriend plays violin haha
[11:39] <iDangerMouse> la_pianista:  you still owe me a duet
[11:39] <la_pianista> que
[11:39] <la_pianista> I owed you a duet?
[11:39] <PinkAmpersand> I feign interest in music just enough to get him to try to teach me things on piano, and that's about it
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[11:40] <la_pianista> PinkAmpersand: accurate
[11:40] <YuviPanda> git stash apply
[11:40] <YuviPanda> eugh
[11:40] <YuviPanda> sorry
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[11:40] <qq[IrcCity]> — an imbecile or a troll?
[11:40] <la_pianista> you better be
[11:40] <la_pianista> >:|
[11:40] <la_pianista> ( ;D )
[11:40] <iDangerMouse> Hello YuviPanda
[11:40] <iDangerMouse> Jetro: hei
[11:40] <YuviPanda> hello iDangerMouse
[11:40] <iDangerMouse> la_pianista: Oui
[11:41] <Jetro> hello iDangerMouse
[11:41] <PinkAmpersand> la_pianista: 2 degrees of separation from that guy, for the record
[11:41] <Jetro> :D
[11:41] <Carly> :o
[11:41] <la_pianista> PinkAmpersand: 2 degrees of separation from the president of the united states
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[11:41] <la_pianista> SO HAH
[11:41] <la_pianista> butt seriously, that's cool
[11:41] <PinkAmpersand> la_pianista: 1 degree of separation from the previous won
[11:41] <PinkAmpersand> for the win
[11:41] <PinkAmpersand> *one
[11:41] <la_pianista> I hope he comes to our campus
[11:42] <PinkAmpersand> ergo 2 degrees from the current one as well, of course
[11:42] <la_pianista> the thing would be sold out - burnham has quite the fan base here
[11:42] <PinkAmpersand> haha, yeah, i like his stuff. apparently he's a jerk, but that's just what people say.
[11:42] <la_pianista> psst
[11:42] <la_pianista> psst
[11:42] <la_pianista> pianists are all jerks
[11:42] <la_pianista> it comes with the confined practice rooms
[11:42] <la_pianista> at my school
[11:43] <la_pianista> the piano practice rooms are in the basement
[11:43] <la_pianista> no reception. no wifi.
[11:43] <la_pianista> no windows.
[11:43] <la_pianista> porous white walls
[11:43] <la_pianista> black and white keys
[11:43] <la_pianista> black notes against white pages
[11:43] <PinkAmpersand> ah. see, my school has like 12 pianos prominently featured on campus
[11:43] <la_pianista> of course it rips your psyche apart
[11:43] <PinkAmpersand> including... 2 Steinways, I think?
[11:43] <PinkAmpersand> like there's literally an upright in  front of my locker
[11:44] <la_pianista> how much do you play?
[11:44] <iDangerMouse> YuviPanda: Whats new? I got stuck in traffic, and was up for the annoying "long-march"
[11:45] <YuviPanda> heh
[11:45] <PinkAmpersand> haha i can't play anything more complicated than Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, pretty much
[11:45] <YuviPanda> i am back working for the WMF
[11:45] <YuviPanda> and finishing up a port of our Narayam / jQuery.IME stuff to android native keyboards
[11:45] <PinkAmpersand> actually, I've written some half-decent stuff, but I normally can't play it myself
[11:45] <iDangerMouse> Interesting! You should do a degree in Computer Mobility YuviPanda
[11:45] <la_pianista> that's cool! I hardly write at all - not because I don't want to, but I always end up ripping off other people, heh
[11:45] <iDangerMouse> Malaysia if you could afford it.
[11:45] <YuviPanda> nah, academia is not for me
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[11:46] <la_pianista> I'll go with a melody, run with it, and suddenly I realize I'm just notating some tune by someone else I've had stuck in my head for days
[11:46] <PinkAmpersand> see, that's the advantage of being clueless when it comes to music
[11:46] <la_pianista> the one and only ;p
[11:47] <la_pianista> grrr I need to upload new recordings
[11:47] <la_pianista> I haven't put any up since last spring
[11:47] <la_pianista> it'll almost be a year
[11:47] <PinkAmpersand> i mean, i know how to write and read music, of course. but i don't actually know much about music as an artform
[11:47] <la_pianista> that comes with time!
[11:47] <la_pianista> don't turn it into a *study,* though, if you aren't serious about it
[11:48] <la_pianista> but I highly recommend just making your own adventures on youtube
[11:48] <la_pianista> or get on a website like pandora, or spotify radio
[11:48] <la_pianista> type in claire de lune ;)
[11:48] <PinkAmpersand> yeah, but, i mean, classical, modern, anything... i'm literally not that interested in music
[11:48] <la_pianista> oh my
[11:48] <la_pianista> …shun
[11:48] <la_pianista> shun the non-believer
[11:48] <PinkAmpersand> I own Channel Orange, as the obligatory non-stereotypical gay album, and that's literally it
[11:48] <PinkAmpersand> only album i own
[11:48] <la_pianista> haha
[11:49] <la_pianista> it's okay, I don't really own any…er…books
[11:49] <la_pianista> that aren't scores
[11:49] <la_pianista> so we're cool
[11:49] <KimiNewt> scores?
[11:49] <PinkAmpersand> oh, actually, no. i also own this quasi-dubstep symphony a kid at my school wrote
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[11:50] <PinkAmpersand> and a weird sitar CD that i also got at school
[11:50] <iDangerMouse> Good night
[11:50] <iDangerMouse> la_pianista:  be good
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[11:50] <iDangerMouse> Jeske_Couriano:  just when I am leaving ........... you owe me a hug :P
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�06[11:50] * la_pianista realizes that fighting the impulse to not be good is being good. crap.
[11:51] <la_pianista> KimiNewt: scores, sheet music, same difference
[11:51] <KimiNewt> Oh.
[11:51] <PinkAmpersand> la_pianista: still watching that video, in 5-second chunks. surprisingly accurate
[11:52] <iDangerMouse> la_pianista:  no
[11:52] <iDangerMouse> he term score can also refer to theatre music written for a play, musical, opera, ballet, television programme or film; for the last of these, see film score.
[11:52] <iDangerMouse> The
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[11:53] <KimiNewt> Man, I'm such a dork, I don't want to message on facebook someone because I'm afraid they don't want to talk to me
[11:54] <KimiNewt> But on the other hand I'm afraid they'll get the wrong idea if they see me online and not message 'em
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[11:54] <la_pianista> iDangerMouse: er, I was just referring to it in the broad "written blobs of black on groups of five lines on paper" sense
[11:54] <la_pianista> KimiNewt: life is short, message them
[11:55] <KimiNewt> I think I'll just overthink it for a while until she goes offline.
[11:55] <iDangerMouse> I do not have facebook thank goodness :D
[11:55] <la_pianista> ...well at least you'll message her
[11:55] <KimiNewt> She usually messages me.
[11:55] <Bellamy> hey
[11:56] <iDangerMouse> Hello.
[11:56] <Bellamy> how r u all?
[11:56] <la_pianista> hungry
[11:56] <KimiNewt> R OK
[11:56] <KimiNewt> PLZ SEND HELP
[11:56] <KimiNewt> SOS
[11:56] <Bellamy> what u talkin bout before i interupted?
[11:56] <iDangerMouse> Kimi, I had facebook for a short period, and used to bug Kevin :P kmmcoy *if I am not mistaken his username*
[11:56] <la_pianista> my violin-playing man-child is supposed to get out of orchestra rehearsal in thirty minutes
[11:56] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: you can always sign out of chat
[11:56] <la_pianista> my stomach is devouring itself out of sheer hungry
[11:56] <la_pianista> *hunger
[11:56] <la_pianista> it's impeding my terrible language even more
[11:56] <KimiNewt> PinkAmpersand - I'll do you one better
[11:57] <iDangerMouse> I just finished eating an sleepy, listening to Brahms thanks to la p
[11:57] <KimiNewt> I have the python interface
[11:57] <KimiNewt> I can be online whilst appearing offline
[11:57] <KimiNewt> Woo
[11:57] <la_pianista> iDangerMouse: ain't it something?
[11:57] <la_pianista> a monolith of a piece
[11:57] <la_pianista> yours truly is certified ridiculous for actually learning it
[11:57] <la_pianista> right now
[11:57] <la_pianista> ...
[11:57] <iDangerMouse> True, but I feel like listening to Guns 'N' Roses after it
[11:57] <la_pianista> the first movement in 3 months
[11:57] <Bellamy> anyone interested in purchasing some merchandise?
[11:58] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: very crafty
[11:58] <KimiNewt> I also wrote something for my phone
�06[11:58] * la_pianista air guitars
[11:58] <KimiNewt> That alerts me when she's online
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[11:58] <la_pianista> SWEET CHILD O' MIIIIIINE
[11:58] <KimiNewt> and my computer saves that into a database
[11:58] <la_pianista> >.>
[11:58] <la_pianista> whoa dude.
[11:58] <KimiNewt> and I can later look at the results on a website I put together in five minutes
[11:58] <iDangerMouse> KimiNewt: May I pm you about something, will take 1 min of your precious time.
[11:58] <KimiNewt> Sure
[11:59] <PinkAmpersand> i have a (guy) friend who once got a really really flirty message from the only like religious guy in my class. and he literally used like 4 different workarounds just to manage to sign out of chat before the guy would notice him
[11:59] <iDangerMouse> PinkAmpersand: thus a boyfriend :P runs
[11:59] <PinkAmpersand> hmm?
[12:00] <KimiNewt> well I messaged her
[12:00] <KimiNewt> yolo lol
[12:01] <KimiNewt> (That last sentence was 'ironic')
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�06[12:01] * PinkAmpersand has had enough of facebook drama
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[12:01] <KimiNewt> It's not facebook drama
[12:01] <KimiNewt> It's real-life drama
[12:01] <la_pianista> yes
[12:01] <KimiNewt> Manifested via facebook
[12:01] <PinkAmpersand> even worse
[12:01] <la_pianista> because she's totally unaware of it
[12:01] <la_pianista> the anxiety is real enough in KimiNewt's head though ;p
[12:01] <geniice> KimiNewt
[12:02] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: purely platonic or...?
[12:02] <KimiNewt> she has a bf
[12:03] <KimiNewt> I like her/am obsessed with her
[12:03] <PinkAmpersand> ahh. well, most of the guys who hit on me on facebook are very decidedly straight, so clearly stuff like that is no obstacle to fb flirtation
[12:04] <iDangerMouse> PinkAmpersand: um, Texas Holdem on facebook, Zynga, best place to flirt, if you know what I mean....
�06[12:04] * PinkAmpersand doesn't know what you mean
[12:04] <Bellamy> what are u guys even talking about? ur completely mental
[12:04] <la_pianista> I think he means Texas Holdem on Facebook is the best place to flirt
[12:05] <la_pianista> but that's just my opinion
[12:05] <la_pianista> ;p
[12:05] <KimiNewt> la_pianista - she's aware of it
[12:05] <Bellamy> u clearly havnt had a women in a long time have u
[12:05] <KimiNewt> I have the awful trait of being entirely honest
[12:05] <iDangerMouse> Apparently, I used to play with some folks on there during when I had facebook *for roughly like 4 months* and hence this dude from England, went over all the way to USA, not sure what state, I forgot, they got married... through Poker
[12:05] <Bellamy> relationship*
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[12:05] <PinkAmpersand> oh. i try to avoid specifically using facebook as a means to get action. mostly because it always explodes in my face if i do
[12:05] <KimiNewt> so there isn't a thing that happens I don't tell her
�06[12:05] * PinkAmpersand knows the feeling
[12:06] <Jetro> iDangerMouse: Are you telling me to not flirt during Texas Holem?
[12:06] <Jetro> hold 'em
�06[12:06] * iDangerMouse goes to bed listening to Iron Maiden - Best of the beast.
[12:06] <KimiNewt> so she knows of my stalkerish tendencies
[12:06] <PinkAmpersand> ahh. yeah, sucks. girls suck man.
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[12:06] <iDangerMouse> Jetro: Ummm, I experimented with a model friend of mine *ex friend of mine* she ended up marrying someone, I had issues with....
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <PinkAmpersand> I like to joke that I became gay because I was sick of girls being crazy. And it's not *completely*  a joke.
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <Jetro> sounds like a win win
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
[12:07] <Bellamy> derp
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[12:07] <Jetro> wow
[12:07] <iDangerMouse> We managed to get the table full, and a bunch of strange creatures under the tables - like 36 people watching the game.
[12:07] <iDangerMouse> QueenOfFrance:  Bless you, your highness!!
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[12:08] <iDangerMouse> Anyway, good night
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[12:10] <KimiNewt> Something weird is going on here
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[12:10] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: what?
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[12:10] <KimiNewt> Weird people
�06[12:10] * la_pianista stops whatever she was doing
�06[12:10] * la_pianista hopes that solves the problem.
[12:10] <KimiNewt> It's cool
[12:10] <KimiNewt> Oh wait
[12:10] <KimiNewt> You're a girl? I thought you were just gay
[12:11] <la_pianista> I'm a BLOW-UP DOLL
[12:11] <YuviPanda> la -> french feminine
[12:11] <la_pianista> I thought we established this
[12:11] <la_pianista> that's it
[12:11] <la_pianista> your inattentiveness means we can't ever be friends </3
[12:11] <YuviPanda> and i think that's about as much french i learnt in two years of highschool
[12:11] <la_pianista> …it's italian
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�06[12:11] * la_pianista laughs intensely
�06[12:11] * Dcoetzee hugs la_pianista
[12:11] <Dcoetzee> Hi :-)
�06[12:11] * la_pianista grabs her abs, which are sore from the gym
[12:11] <YuviPanda> but it is french too!
�06[12:11] * la_pianista wheezes
[12:12] <la_pianista> no, french would be "le pianiste"
[12:12] <delldot> and Spanish
[12:12] <Dcoetzee> I'm not allowed to gym for a week because of operation yesterday :-(
[12:12] <la_pianista> and it's always masculine, even if the pianist is a girl
[12:12] <KimiNewt> I've stopped exercising some four months ago ]:
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[12:12] <KimiNewt> Knee problems
[12:12] <KimiNewt> I lost 5 kilograms ]:
[12:12] <la_pianista> :(
[12:12] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: You could use a rowing machine still
[12:12] <la_pianista> and swim!
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[12:12] <BlastHardcheese> by any chance were arrows involved in some way
[12:12] <Dcoetzee> ...
[12:12] <la_pianista> NO
[12:12] <KimiNewt> ..ho
�06[12:13] * Dcoetzee facepalms
�06[12:13] * la_pianista silently winks at BlastHardcheese
[12:13] <KimiNewt> I don't like anything other than running
[12:13] <KimiNewt> and I don't feel like doing anything, anyway
�06[12:13] * PinkAmpersand is the gay one
[12:13] <PinkAmpersand> to clarify
[12:13] <varnent> we're doing a gay roll call?  :)
[12:13] <Dcoetzee> Someone on my talk page is trying to claim MetroLyrics isn't authorised to host their lyrics although I'm like 99% sure they are. But I'm not sure how to prove it.
�06[12:13] * varnent gets queer census paperwork out
[12:14] <la_pianista> lol
[12:14] <PinkAmpersand> just because Kimi got confused :P
[12:14] <KimiNewt> It's okay
[12:14] <KimiNewt> This is the internet
[12:14] <KimiNewt> It doesn't matter much
[12:14] <YuviPanda> it's both a blessing and a curse to fall in love with writing code
[12:15] <KimiNewt> Compiling just doesn't 'do' it for me, you knjow?
[12:15] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: well, at a glance I believe I'm the only one atm ;)
[12:15] <KimiNewt> Nah there's loads here
�06[12:16] * PinkAmpersand scrolls through the names
[12:16] <KimiNewt> none have "pink" in their name, I'm afraid
[12:16] <PinkAmpersand> haha yeah, but i've got decent online gaydar ;)
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[12:17] <PinkAmpersand> i.e. mentally conjuring up a picture of their userpage, and searching for rainbows
[12:18] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: we need a "!gay" stalkword
[12:18] <geniice> channel is worryingly hetro at the moment
[12:19] <PinkAmpersand> yeah, that's what i'm saying. BarkingFish is almost always on
[12:19] <PinkAmpersand> but not right now
[12:19] <Dcoetzee> Pink is a great colour
[12:19] <varnent>
[12:19] <PinkAmpersand> I feel like a lot of the gay admins don't come on here, though
[12:19] <Dcoetzee> PinkAmpersand: I'm a bi/pan admin do I count? :-P
[12:19] <PinkAmpersand> maybe just a coincidence. idk.
[12:19] <varnent> I send folks with non-wp specific LGBT inquiries to that page
[12:19] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: sure!
[12:19] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[12:20] <KimiNewt> Now I feel queer
[12:20] <KimiNewt> As in strange
[12:20] <KimiNewt> For being hetero
[12:20] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: no userboxes?  no usercats?
[12:20] <PinkAmpersand> or does saying you're from SF suffice? ;)
[12:20] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[12:20] <varnent> KimiNewt: there's a user box for being queer in a hetero way  :)
[12:21] <Dcoetzee> I guess I could put up a userbox lemme see
[12:21] <PinkAmpersand> one of my occasional side projects is to pretty up the LGBT  usercats. I've got the Gay Wikipedians one looking pretty spiffy, but haven't worked on the Bisexual Wikipedians one or LGBT in general
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> There's no userbox for agender sadly
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> And I'm too lazy to make one
[12:22] <KimiNewt> I'm socially challenged if that does something
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> But I put up a pansexual one anyway
[12:22] <KimiNewt> So at least I'm not totally standard
[12:22] <varnent> PinkAmpersand: WikiQueer mirros WP's LGBT cat structure (mostly) - so we always appreciate the cat cleanup work you're doing as well  :)
[12:22] <PinkAmpersand> seriously? there must be... there's ones for everything
[12:23] <Dcoetzee> Agender is really fringe. We don't even have a *deleted* article about it :-P
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[12:24] <delldot> how is agender different from gender queer?
[12:24] <Dcoetzee> Subset
[12:24] <Dcoetzee> Genderqueer is kind of an umbrella for nonbinaries
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[12:24] <PinkAmpersand> wow. huh, i have a friend who's sorta agender, i think. and she's pan. (though i guess if i'm saying "she", she's not *that* agender)
[12:24] <DFrostedGirl> Hi friends :D
[12:24] <delldot> ah
[12:24] <la_pianista> I'm not your friend
[12:25] <la_pianista> quit assuming on our relationship
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[12:25] <DFrostedGirl> :p
[12:25] <la_pianista> ;p
�06[12:25] * DFrostedGirl hi you
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> PinkAmpersand: I'm indifferent to pronoun usage myself :-P There's variation on that
[12:25] <la_pianista> o/
[12:25] <KimiNewt> are you our metafriend
[12:25] <la_pianista> I have no friends
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> It seems no matter how small the group there are still further divisions within it
�06[12:25] * DFrostedGirl runs away with the cookies
�06[12:25] * la_pianista cues gust of chilly wind
[12:25] <DFrostedGirl> o.o
[12:25] <KimiNewt> super-aquintances
[12:25] <KimiNewt> ?
[12:25] <DFrostedGirl> I have many friends on IRC
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[12:25] <DFrostedGirl> :o
[12:25] <la_pianista> I have no acquaintances
[12:25] <DFrostedGirl> o.O
�06[12:26] * Dcoetzee waves hi to DFrostedGirl
[12:26] <KimiNewt> ?I don't know if I have friends
[12:26] <DFrostedGirl> :o
[12:26] <DFrostedGirl> hihi
[12:26] <KimiNewt> how does one define a friend
[12:26] <DFrostedGirl> huhu
[12:26] <Dcoetzee> la_pianista: Only your immense harem of lovers? :-P
[12:26] <DFrostedGirl> haha
[12:26] <DFrostedGirl> :D
�06[12:26] * la_pianista cues another gust of chilly wind. this time in the other direction so her bangs don't look butt-ugly <3
[12:26] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: Yeah, Genderqueers are like Protestants. Divisions over every possible distinction.
�06[12:26] * la_pianista poses at Dcoetzee. #swag
[12:26] <la_pianista> (ironic.)
[12:26] <KimiNewt> bang bang rock and roll
[12:26] <la_pianista> (please to god, it was ironic.)
[12:26] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[12:26] <Dcoetzee> PinkAmpersand: Also like dance music in that way
�06[12:27] * DFrostedGirl steals mou's cookie
[12:27] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: hahaha
[12:28] <la_pianista> DFrostedGirl: your username is making me ridiculously hungry for pop tarts
[12:28] <PinkAmpersand> but, yeah, closest i could find is this
[12:28] <KimiNewt> can I asked to be referred to as an "it"?
[12:28] <la_pianista> it comes from the same corner of my brain that gets weird cravings for lucky charms treats covered in nutella and deep-fried and covered with powdered sugar and then dipped in condensed milk
[12:28] <KimiNewt> *ask
[12:28] <DFrostedGirl> la_pianista: ?
[12:28] <DFrostedGirl> aló?
[12:28] <KimiNewt> LUCKY CHARMS
[12:28] <la_pianista> aka, my self-hating half intent on letting me die a slow yet satisfied death via untreated diabetes
[12:29] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: yep, there's one for that
[12:29] <KimiNewt> Man la_pianista
[12:29] <DFrostedGirl> calling eartth
[12:29] <DFrostedGirl> :p
[12:29] <KimiNewt> Someone left our.. office last week
[12:29] <la_pianista> woman KimiNewt
[12:29] <PinkAmpersand>
[12:29] <KimiNewt> As a parting present she left us two huge jars of well uh
[12:29] <KimiNewt> I'm not sure what it's called in English, but sort of like gummy bears?
[12:29] <KimiNewt> rubbery sort of candy
[12:29] <DFrostedGirl> lol
[12:29] <la_pianista> shaped in any way?
[12:30] <KimiNewt> various ways
[12:30] <KimiNewt> bananas, strawberries, cola bottles
[12:30] <la_pianista> ooh I've had those
[12:30] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: actually, hold on, a few of these are pretty close to the mark
[12:30] <la_pianista> cola bottles are the best.
[12:30] <la_pianista> KimiNewt: so english isn't your first language?
[12:30] <KimiNewt> No
�06[12:31] * DFrostedGirl Combing her hair, smelling strawberries and runs away
[12:31] <KimiNewt> Though honestly I think it's pretty damn close to being first
[12:31] <DFrostedGirl> :o
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[12:31] <la_pianista> where are you from? there's no non-creepy way to say it, so I'll assume the fact that I am in possession of a uterus helps
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[12:31] <KimiNewt> This candy probably just isn't very common elsewhere
[12:31] <KimiNewt> Why is that creepy? People ask that all the time
[12:32] <PinkAmpersand> Was anyone here yesterday for the BradPatrick discussion?
[12:32] <KimiNewt> And I think you'll find it's rarely the uterus people care about (at least on the surface)
[12:32] <la_pianista> I guess I'm used to the fact that I'm incredibly dorky-looking in real life
[12:32] <la_pianista> "hurt hurt I'm cool like you can I sit with you so we can eat food together"
[12:32] <Dcoetzee> Creepy would be "could I get your full address so I can visit... in the middle of the night... I won't wake you, I'll just watch"
[12:32] <la_pianista> …autocorrect
[12:32] <la_pianista> *hurr hurr
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[12:33] <KimiNewt> Actually
[12:33] <KimiNewt> This one time I was in an IRC room, not unlike this one
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[12:33] <KimiNewt> We were discussing online privacy &c. and I said I really didn't give a damn about my private details being online
�06[12:34] * la_pianista grabs chair
[12:34] <KimiNewt> and said my full address there and then
[12:34] <la_pianista> o.o
[12:34] <KimiNewt> That was like five summers ago
[12:34] <KimiNewt> That christmas, I received a card in the (snail) mail
[12:34] <KimiNewt> With a small token present
[12:34] <KimiNewt> all the way from South America
[12:34] <Dcoetzee> Awww
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[12:34] <KimiNewt> It was so cool
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[12:35] <PinkAmpersand> hahaha that is the only story like that to ever have a happy ending ;)
[12:35] <delldot> so it wasn't a creepy small token?  Like a finger?
[12:35] <KimiNewt> Incidentally, I stopped frequenting that room a couple of months before that
[12:35] <KimiNewt> I suppose.
[12:35] <Dcoetzee> I don't mind giving out my city but I'm a little sensitive about my full address because I've had at least one stalker who I'm sure would show up and try to sneak into my apartment given the chance
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[12:35] <geniice>
[12:35] <KimiNewt> No, it was a feather with a picture drawn on it
[12:35] <delldot> aw
[12:35] <PinkAmpersand> why doesn't that happen to me? you can find me fairly easily.
[12:35] <KimiNewt> There are kind people out there
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[12:36] <Demiurge1000> PinkAmpersand: Now you made me forget who you are!
[12:36] <KimiNewt> You might come across them once or twice in a lifetime
[12:36] <geniice> Dcoetzee see this is why I think an actual happy ending would be a stalker taking down a wikipedian then getting casually axe murdered.
[12:36] <PinkAmpersand> Demiurge1000: sorry! better now than later on!
[12:36] <Demiurge1000> heh ok
[12:36] <KimiNewt> I still have that feather framed in my room
[12:37] <KimiNewt> In my parent's house anyway
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[12:37] <KimiNewt> A symbol of the kindness of strangers
[12:37] <Dcoetzee> :-)
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[12:37] <Dcoetzee> Strangers can be very nice. They usually are I'd say
[12:37] <KimiNewt> Depends on where and when
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[12:37] <Dcoetzee> Well yeah
[12:38] <Dcoetzee> But if you like need to use a phone in an emergency
[12:38] <Dcoetzee> Most people will let you do that
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[12:38] <KimiNewt> I suppose
[12:38] <KimiNewt> But that's not that nice
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[12:39] <KimiNewt> Whenever I do something that nice I act like an asshole about it
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[12:40] <KimiNewt> Driving people somewhere, helping out with work or schoolwork, waking up real early or staying up real late just so they'll have someone to talk to
[12:40] <PinkAmpersand> most strangers are nice, i think. a probably homeless guy in D.C. high-fived me on election night when he asked who I'd supported and I said Obama
[12:40] <KimiNewt> Whenever I do that I always berate them whilst doing it
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[12:41] <KimiNewt> At least that way they don't thank me
[12:41] <KimiNewt> Just go away thinking "what an asshole"
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[12:43] <KimiNewt> Once my car drowned in a flood whilst I was on guard duty, people were really helpful back then
[12:43] <KimiNewt> Strangers too
[12:43] <KimiNewt> Helped me get water out of it and get it toed
[12:44] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: guard duty for what?
[12:45] <KimiNewt> I'm a soldier
[12:45] <PinkAmpersand> ahh. which country?
�06[12:45] * PinkAmpersand guesses Israeli
[12:45] <KimiNewt> It was an awful time altogether because my phone was dead, I was on guard duty and was needed at work (and my car was flooded). Had to run constantly from one thing to the other
[12:45] <KimiNewt> Yes
[12:45] <PinkAmpersand> haha a flood in Israel?
[12:45] <KimiNewt> Yeah, bad drainage
[12:46] <KimiNewt> it was clogged
[12:46] <KimiNewt> they cleared it and it was gone by the hour
[12:46] <PinkAmpersand> that's nice :)
[12:46] <KimiNewt> I usually don't rely on other people, but that day a lot of people helped me and it was made tolerable by a hug
[12:47] <PinkAmpersand> well, I mean, of course you have a good perception of strangers if you live in Israel
[12:47] <KimiNewt> I always hated hugging, and I never do it
[12:47] <PinkAmpersand> my mom says it's the only place she's never been afraid to walk down the streets at night
[12:47] <KimiNewt> But I realised back then it really is comforting
[12:47] <KimiNewt> Hmm
[12:47] <KimiNewt> That's only true in some of the country
[12:48] <KimiNewt> I wouldn't walk in the middle of the night in some districts in tel-aviv or some other cities
[12:48] <PinkAmpersand> haha, well, yeah, excluding places you have to worry about getting kidnapped by terrorists
[12:48] <KimiNewt> No, I don't mean that
[12:48] <KimiNewt> There are bad neighbourhoods here too
[12:49] <KimiNewt> I don't mean to sound uh, unkind or anything but there are some immigrant neighbourhoods that are scary
[12:49] <PinkAmpersand> ah. hmm, I don't recall ever really being nervous about anything when I was in Israel.
[12:49] <KimiNewt> Poor people with nothing to lose, don't speak the language and don't know anyone
[12:49] <KimiNewt> It's not surprising they sometimes turn to crime
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[12:49] <PinkAmpersand> maybe that's just because i'm good at avoiding pickpockets
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[12:50] <KimiNewt> I'm not afraid of pickpockets or anything
[12:50] <KimiNewt> Most places
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[12:50] <PinkAmpersand> yeah. point is, nice country, for the most part.
[12:50] <KimiNewt> There are a few places - south tel-aviv, bat-yam, taibe.. that are more dangerous
[12:51] <PinkAmpersand> there's something about cars in the middle east, too. my dad had some story about literally dragging a car out of the mud in Kuwait or Iraq, because the taxi  driver just volunteered to
[12:51] <PinkAmpersand> *out of a ditch, actually, if i recall correctly
[12:53] <KimiNewt> My troubles were in a parking lot, I'm afraid
[12:53] <KimiNewt> Nothing to do with the terrain
[12:53] <PinkAmpersand> yeah. i imagine the group i traveled with kept us out of those places
[12:54] <KimiNewt> Why were you here?
[12:54] <PinkAmpersand> ahh. yeah, Israel has very good roads. plus there's always camels ;)
[12:54] <PinkAmpersand> one of those Jewish teen things
[12:55] <PinkAmpersand> some old millionaire around here pays for every Jewish kid in the county to go to Israel on his dime
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[12:56] <KimiNewt> Lovely.
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[12:56] <KimiNewt> "Taglit" or something else?
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[12:58] <Pink|rebooting> KimiNewt:
[12:58] <Nascar1996> And the control of an article goes away….
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[12:58] <KimiNewt> what an awful website
[12:58] <KimiNewt> do you know of the taglit program
[12:59] <KimiNewt> it's for adults though
[12:59] <KimiNewt> or young adults anyway
[12:59] <PinkAmpersand> haha why an awful website?
[12:59] <Dcoetzee> Huh MetroLyrics actually wrote me back. Their response was just filtered as spam.
[12:59] <PinkAmpersand> and no, i don't, but i know there's a lot of groups like that
[12:59] <KimiNewt> It looks like it's from the 90s
[13:00] <KimiNewt> Anyway, it's this program that brings young adults into a mixed group of Israelis and usually 'mericans. They then travel the country
[13:00] <Qcoder00> Any bot writers in?
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[13:00] <KimiNewt> People (Israeli younglings) reaaaally want to go there
[13:00] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: yeah, we didsomem of that
[13:01] <PinkAmpersand> *did some
[13:01] <KimiNewt> Because (what they say at least) it's a free ticket into one american ladypants
[13:01] <PinkAmpersand> just like 3 days with this group of Israeli kids
[13:01] <KimiNewt> My commander is there right now
[13:01] <KimiNewt> ten days
[13:01] <PinkAmpersand> hahaha exact same thing we say
[13:01] <KimiNewt> Well, the question is
[13:01] <KimiNewt> who is lowering their standard
[13:01] <KimiNewt> and I'd say it's the tourists
[13:02] <PinkAmpersand> basically, they say "No hookups, guys", and then give us hours and hours of alone time so we can firmly associate radical Zionism with getting laid.
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[13:02] <KimiNewt> Heh.
[13:02] <KimiNewt> I'm not
[13:02] <KimiNewt> but I would still like to get laid ]:
[13:02] <PinkAmpersand> haha
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[13:02] <KimiNewt> IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES
[13:03] <KimiNewt> Speaking of getting laid
[13:03] <PinkAmpersand> Demiurge1000: that's exactly what my userpage says! (except the hippo thing)
[13:03] <KimiNewt> I'm thinking of asking some girls from work out, but I don't particularly like them or think we fit
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[13:03] <PinkAmpersand> but, umm, well, I wish you luck, because i got nada
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[13:03] <PinkAmpersand> except a weird little thing with a girl out of sheer boredom, but let's not go into that
[13:03] <KimiNewt> If a work-'relationship' breaks up after like two-three weeks (four-five dates)
[13:03] <KimiNewt> does it have any bad repercussions
[13:04] <PinkAmpersand> no clue. never even had a boyfriend.
[13:04] <KimiNewt> I mean, if you just date and see "well we just don't fit eachother"
[13:04] <KimiNewt> Oh. that's a shame.
[13:05] <PinkAmpersand> yeah :(
[13:05] <PinkAmpersand> statistically speaking, there should've been like 2 other gay guys on that trip
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[13:05] <PinkAmpersand> well, there was one, but he and i already have an awkward history, and he still isn't 100% out to himself
[13:05] <KimiNewt> Well I'm not gay so I have 90% percent of the population to appeal to and I still haven't gotten laid.
[13:06] <PinkAmpersand> because Israeli girls are gorgeous
[13:06] <PinkAmpersand> and have incredibly high standards
[13:07] <KimiNewt> They're not more gorgeous than any other place
[13:07] <KimiNewt> I've been to europe and it always seem like the girls there are much better looking
[13:07] <KimiNewt> Probably all just a case of "grass is greener"
[13:07] <Dcoetzee> Exoticism is attractive
[13:07] <KimiNewt> Well, it's not really "exotic" since they're all from european descent anyway
[13:08] <PinkAmpersand> depends where in Europe. France, yes. Italy and Spain, sometimes. elsewhere... idk, in America, Israeli girls are considered very attractive
[13:08] <KimiNewt> German Israeli or real German
[13:08] <KimiNewt> all the same
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[13:08] <Dcoetzee> I have a friend in Estonia who is gorgeous but claims she's not at all by local standards :-P
[13:08] <KimiNewt> Maybe
[13:08] <PinkAmpersand> haha. yeah, the hottest guy in my school spent 6 months in Sweden, and apparently was just average
[13:09] <KimiNewt> I think being slim and having big breasts for one is pretty standard
[13:09] <LtNOWIS> you'd be surprised
[13:09] <KimiNewt> That is, a standard for being attractive
[13:09] <PinkAmpersand> I know this Israeli lesbian who's been with more girls than like all the guys I know combined.
[13:09] <KimiNewt> In the west, anyway.
[13:10] <PinkAmpersand> I'm friends with this bi girl who's never been kissed, and I really want to set the two of them up (if they're ever in the same country at the same time) and see what happens
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[13:10] <LtNOWIS> Well sure, but there's always gonna be a lot of people who are curvey with big breasts or slim with small breasts
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[13:11] <KimiNewt> Oh, I'm not saying that
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[13:11] <KimiNewt> I'm saying that pretty much everywhere in the west those features will be considered attractive
[13:11] <Dcoetzee> In real life there's no such thing as a single global scale of attractiveness. Different people like different things.
[13:11] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: they say high cheekbones are pretty much universal
[13:11] <Dcoetzee> Even in the West some people find Hollywood conventional attractiveness unattractive.
[13:11] <KimiNewt> Sure, but we can play at statistics
[13:11] <PinkAmpersand> for women, that is
[13:11] <KimiNewt> the majority taste..
[13:11] <KimiNewt> I know, I suppose
[13:11] <PinkAmpersand> and for men... well there's an obvious universal one there
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[13:12] <Dcoetzee> Actually a lot of men dislike large breasts
[13:12] <KimiNewt> Personally I like the whole "Hollywood conventional attractiveness"
[13:12] <KimiNewt> But there's one girl
[13:12] <KimiNewt> Who is short
[13:12] <KimiNewt> Not entirely thin
[13:12] <KimiNewt> and with very small breasts
[13:12] <KimiNewt> And I think she's the most attractive thing in the world
[13:12] <Dcoetzee> :-)
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[13:12] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: Yeah, at times that I've liked girls, that was never really my thing... but then again, maybe that was just a sign that I'd wind up not liking girls at all. ;)
[13:12] <Dcoetzee> She sounds cute. I like short people too
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[13:13] <KimiNewt> So much that I feel like tearing my eyes out
[13:13] <KimiNewt> Because I feel like if I don't, I'll lose my mind
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[13:13] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Don't do that :-P Blindfolds are more reversible
[13:13] <KimiNewt> I'd tell her that but she has a boyfriend
[13:14] <Dcoetzee> :-( And I guess he doesn't like to share?
[13:14] <KimiNewt> She never did believe me that I thought she was prettier than some other girls
[13:14] <PinkAmpersand> this unrequited love / to me it's nothing but a one-man cult / or cyanide in a styrofoam cup
[13:14] <KimiNewt> Heh.
[13:14] <PinkAmpersand> lol what's the next line? ugh
[13:14] <KimiNewt> What's that?
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[13:14] <PinkAmpersand> "Bad Religion" by Frank Ocean
[13:15] <KimiNewt> Unrequited love is the only one I've ever known, I'm afraid
[13:15] <Dcoetzee> I'm poly so "has a bf/gf" isn't usually an obstacle for me unless they also doesn't want to share :-P
[13:15] <PinkAmpersand> one of the only songs I like
[13:15] <KimiNewt> Once I had a girlfriend that really really liked me (told me she loved me) but I felt little for her
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[13:15] <KimiNewt> and this girl I've liked increasingly throughout the past 2.5 years and never liked me back ]:
[13:15] <Dcoetzee> :-(
[13:15] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: then this is the song for you
[13:16] <Dcoetzee> Now you just need your crush to fall for her and you'll have a full ironic love triangle going
[13:16] <KimiNewt> Heh
[13:16] <PinkAmpersand> (hold on. that's not official. 1 sec)
[13:16] <KimiNewt> My crush was just an ego boost
[13:16] <PinkAmpersand> (or maybe it is. idk)
[13:16] <KimiNewt> but I've depleted that boost quite a while ago
[13:16] <PinkAmpersand> seriously, though KimiNewt, watch that
[13:17] <KimiNewt> I'll listen
[13:17] <KimiNewt> Watching will get boring
[13:17] <PinkAmpersand> haha yeah.
[13:17] <KimiNewt> I don't like rap, really
[13:18] <PinkAmpersand> not rap
[13:18] <PinkAmpersand> not even close.
[13:18] <PinkAmpersand> R&B, and this song doesn't even fall in any well-defined genre
[13:18] <KimiNewt> welp
[13:18] <KimiNewt> I don't like it
[13:18] <KimiNewt> sorry
[13:18] <PinkAmpersand> :(
[13:18] <KimiNewt> back to Metric
[13:19] <PinkAmpersand> my other top unrequited love song is "El Scorcho"
[13:19] <KimiNewt> I don't need songs to amplify bad feelings [:
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[13:20] <PinkAmpersand> it's a shame you don't like it, though. it's about being in love with his best friend, and confessing it, and the friend saying he doesn't love him back. (even though it eventually turns out that he did)
[13:20] <KimiNewt> Not really that original of a story :P
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[13:21] <PinkAmpersand> sigh. the way he tells it it is.
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[13:21] <Dcoetzee> Need to stop yanking out my network cable accidentally
[13:21] <PinkAmpersand>
[13:21] <KimiNewt> Mine is even simpler: Boy meets girl. Boy likes girl. Girl has boyfriend. Boy & Girl become friends, boy likes girl increasingly more. Boy tells Girl, Girl says "Thanks but no thanks"
[13:21] <KimiNewt> whatever that is
[13:22] <KimiNewt> It needs to use linebraks
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[13:22] <KimiNewt> I tend to listen to happy songs when I feel bad, I'm afraid
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[13:23] <KimiNewt> It's a fairly good method to not feel bad
[13:23] <KimiNewt> It isn't hard since most of my music is pretty damn happy
[13:23] <PinkAmpersand> but the point is that it doesn't use linebreaks!
[13:23] <PinkAmpersand> it's just a screenshot of a textedit window
[13:23] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Do you have a favourite song?
[13:23] <KimiNewt> I can't read it properly
[13:24] <PinkAmpersand> written on an airplane
[13:24] <KimiNewt> Typesetting is important
[13:24] <KimiNewt> Hmm.. not really
[13:24] <PinkAmpersand> (ctrl++)
[13:24] <KimiNewt> I have some I like at the time
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[13:25] <KimiNewt> This one for instance
[13:26] <Dcoetzee> Dance music seems to have more happy music than other genres. Makes sense I suppose. :-P
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[13:27] <KimiNewt> I guess my go-to music is The Hives, Beatles or Metric
[13:27] <Dcoetzee> Heh dance music is not usually very good at being deep and thoughtful
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[13:27] <PinkAmpersand> yup
[13:27] <PinkAmpersand> one of many reasons i don't like dances
[13:28] <KimiNewt> I also have a tendency to like songs that are "matched up" with something in my mind
[13:28] <Dcoetzee> Even my favourite dance songs are incredibly lyrically simplistic
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[13:28] <KimiNewt> Like, Owl City's Fireflies means "Spider-man" in my mind
[13:28] <KimiNewt> So I like listening to it
[13:28] <Dcoetzee> Association :-)
[13:28] <KimiNewt> Yeah, because of things I did whilst listening to it
[13:28] <Dcoetzee> A lot of people have songs that remind them of particular people
[13:28] <Dcoetzee> I have at least one song I can't listen to at all for that reason
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[13:29] <KimiNewt> I think I looped it while reading like 60 issues of spider-man or something
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[13:29] <PinkAmpersand> I've got stuff like that. Never hook up with "Born to Run" playing. Just don't. Ever.
[13:29] <KimiNewt> Yeah, I have that too.
[13:29] <KimiNewt> I assosiate "Wake Up Boo" with that girl I mentioned before
[13:30] <KimiNewt> You must know it, that is one happy song
[13:30] <KimiNewt>
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[13:30] <PinkAmpersand> except I actually associate "Born to Run" with William Gibson's "Neuromancer" series
[13:31] <KimiNewt> It doesn't help that I eventually changed it to be the ringtone when she calls :P
[13:31] <KimiNewt> Awkward to explain, but no one ever notices.
[13:31] <Dcoetzee> This is a very happy sounding song right from the get go :-P
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[13:31] <KimiNewt> It was in the background a lot when I was talking to her
[13:32] <KimiNewt> Also, in the army centre I work in, you start with a six-month "school". Each school "year" has its own song
[13:33] <Dcoetzee> LyricsBot just did Alicia Keys. I like a lot of her songs.
[13:33] <PinkAmpersand> I sang a Les Mis medley in Chorus last year, and sat next to the guy I like, like almost every rehearsal. Like that soundtrack needed to be any more depressing for me.
[13:33] <KimiNewt> So I have all of those firmly etched into my brain and assosiated with whoever is in that year
[13:33] <Dcoetzee> PinkAmpersand: Ouch :-/
[13:33] <KimiNewt> Though our song is godawful (Living Da Vida Loca)
[13:33] <Dcoetzee> Ha
[13:33] <KimiNewt> But we have two unofficial songs thtat are much better
[13:33] <Dcoetzee> At least it's catchy :-P
[13:33] <KimiNewt> Yeah
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[13:34] <KimiNewt> Every year there's a day where they bring the rookies in and basically do a list-off of the songs, each school running to the football court when their song is up and dancing like lunatics
[13:34] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: haha when I was in Israel our semi-official theme song was "Call Me Maybe"
[13:34] <KimiNewt> Highly embarresing, but even I do it even though I never dance
[13:34] <PinkAmpersand> like, my tour group
[13:34] <KimiNewt> Oh, it wasn't that long ago then
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[13:35] <PinkAmpersand> yeah, this was July
[13:35] <KimiNewt> This school year's unofficial song is "Gangam Style" obviously :P
[13:35] <Dcoetzee> ...
[13:35] <PinkAmpersand> [[User:PinkAmpersand/countries]] see?
[13:35] <KimiNewt> The instructors made a video "parody" (or whatever you wanna call it) for the end of the year
[13:36] <Dcoetzee> That reminds me of that hilariously awful pastiche of Gangnam Style that Spartan High School did on YouTube
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[13:36] <KimiNewt> The instructors are always cold and formal (this is the military after all) until the next-to-last-day where they do this kinda shit and "break the distance"
[13:36] <KimiNewt> Yes, it's awful too
[13:36] <KimiNewt> but it's cute
[13:39] <KimiNewt> Heh, I don't keep a list PinkAmpersand
[13:39] <KimiNewt> that's very diverse though
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[13:39] <PinkAmpersand> thanks :)
[13:40] <PinkAmpersand> I try my best ;)
[13:40] <KimiNewt> Haven't been abroad in a while
[13:40] <KimiNewt> well, since I joined the army anyway
[13:41] <KimiNewt> I miss it if only for the smell
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[13:46] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: are there countries you can't go to on your passport?
[13:46] <KimiNewt> Yes
[13:46] <KimiNewt> various arab coutnries
[13:46] <jorm> mailing list drama is the best drama.
[13:46] <KimiNewt> I'm also not allowed to go to various ones because of my job for the next 15 years
[13:47] <KimiNewt> or need a special permit for them
[13:47] <PinkAmpersand> jorm: link?
[13:47] <KimiNewt> Like Egypt, Jordan, Thailand, various african countries..
[13:47] <jorm> i can't, sorry.
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[13:47] <PinkAmpersand> jorm: oh
[13:47] <jorm> closed list, no archives.
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[13:48] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: hmm. yeah, both of my parents had to get Israel/Egypt only passports at one point
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[13:48] <geniice> jorm	internal-l?
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[13:49] <jorm> no; internal-l has archives.
[13:49] <jorm> and the drama there has largely died down since people can't use it to be snarky at sue and erik anymore.
[13:49] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: so what's this top-secret job?
[13:49] <KimiNewt> Just in the intelligence corps
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[13:51] <PinkAmpersand> oh. i knew a woman who was in that
[13:51] <jorm> there are countries i can't go into because i have an israeli *stamp* on my passport.
[13:51] <PinkAmpersand> jorm: yeah, that's the thing i was saying about my parents having to get secondary passports
[13:51] <jorm> i'm not bothered by it overmuch. if i need to go to one of those places i'll just get a new passport.
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[13:52] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: weird question... can you recognize a number on a dial pad (like on a cell phone) just by the sound it makes? because this woman could, and she wouldn't say how
[13:52] <KimiNewt> No
[13:52] <KimiNewt> but that doesn't seem like such a tough skill
[13:53] <PinkAmpersand> jorm: yeah. my passport expires in a few months, so i won't have to, if i want to visit the Middle East in a year or two
[13:53] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: I guess not. the weirder thing is that she said she couldn't say where she'd learned it.
[13:53] <BarkingFish> PinkAmpersand, some people can - depends on what type of dialpad - if it's a DTMF pad, then yes it's quite possible.  Each key makes a slightly different tone
[13:53] <BarkingFish> it's almost inaudible, but if you have good hearing, you can tell the difference
[13:53] <KimiNewt> PinkAmpersand - With the really important things they just tell you to lie
[13:54] <PinkAmpersand> BarkingFish: yeah, she explained how the tones work
[13:54] <KimiNewt> Saying "I can't talk about it" raises too many suspicions and there are some things you wanna be certain about
[13:54] <jorm> cripes. i know *shittons* of kids who could do that recognition.
[13:54] <PinkAmpersand> yeah, exactly
[13:54] <KimiNewt> I remember once we were sat down by a major
[13:54] <jorm> well, they're not kids anymore.
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[13:54] <jorm> look up "phreaking"
[13:55] <KimiNewt> and say that if we were asked some particular question we should not avoid it, but lie
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[13:56] <jorm> some days i just want to quit this job and, i dunno.  play dungeons and dragons professionally or something.
[13:57] <PinkAmpersand> jorm: yeah, i've heard of some of that shit. i saw one guy on Colbert or something who would prank his friends by getting the phone company to think their home phones were pay phones
[13:57] <PinkAmpersand> so you'd try to make a call and it would ask for a quarter
[13:57] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: hmm
[13:58] <jorm> i knew a guy who could make the quarter tone with his mouth.
[13:58] <BarkingFish> PinkAmpersand, it was quite possible in the UK to do it the other way round - there were cases back to the early 1980s here where people could trick payphones (which used to run on a metered pulse system) into not pulsing for more than an hour! :)
[13:58] <jorm> exactly that.
[13:58] <jorm> he'd pick up a payphone and do this weird warble and then start dialing.
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[13:58] <PinkAmpersand> KimiNewt: it's funny, my grandfather used to be a private analyst with the CIA, and my mom once mentioned to him some story he'd once told as like an exmaple of what he did, and he completely disavowed having ever said it. i'm still not sure what to think.
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[13:59] <PinkAmpersand> jorm: huh. one of my teachers told me a story about a friend when he was in high school who'd gotten a bag of pennies from some country that were the exact weight and shape of a T token in Boston, and used them for years
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[14:02] <PinkAmpersand>,30947/
[14:03] <Superfreak> What's a "T token"?
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[14:04] <PinkAmpersand> Superfreak: The T is what the subway's called in Boston
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[14:04] <PinkAmpersand> they don't use tokens any more, at least not as the primary thing. but i've seen a few old ones around my house and stuff
[14:05] <PinkAmpersand> which is weird, now that i think about it, since we've only lived here since 2000
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[14:06] <jorm> RFID cards, we got in the Yay Area now.
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[14:07] <PinkAmpersand> anyone been following this thing with the Atlantic?
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[14:09] <Superfreak> Someone say something!
[14:09] <Farby> something
[14:09] <Prodego> 5:11:00
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[14:10] <Prodego> easier way to do this though
[14:10] <Superfreak> [22:09:39]	Prodego	5:11:00
[14:10] <Prodego> * Ping reply from Superfreak: 0.46 second(s)
[14:10] <Prodego> you are good
[14:10] <Superfreak> Thanks Prodego.
[14:10] <Prodego> I think /ping works in chatzilla
[14:10] <Prodego> you can get ping servers or people
[14:11] <Superfreak> I can only ping channels, it seems.
[14:11] <Superfreak> Pings everyone in the channel.
[14:13] <Prodego> our clocks disagree pretty substantially
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[14:19] <jorm> which thing with the atlantic?
[14:22] <PinkAmpersand> the Scientology thing
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[14:26] <PinkAmpersand> jorm:
[14:26] <PinkAmpersand> ^that
[14:26] <MadCommieScienti> jorm: - плохо, очен плохо для люди! [✖]
[14:26] <MadCommieScienti> - хорошо, безопастност для люди [✔]
[14:26] <MadCommieScienti> that is: if done right
[14:28] <jorm> I don't know russian.
[14:28] <MadCommieScienti> i.e. you have to press the "Activate NFC" for 1 - 1.5 s to activate the NFC functionality
[14:28] <MadCommieScienti> furthermore...
[14:31] <MadCommieScienti> I think it should ask for "Activate NFC in solely passive mode and transmit nothing to the other party" or "Activate NFC in active mode and interact" and always prompt when the other side asks for any information unless some informations are set so that they will willingly be transmitted to any party engaged in NFC session
[14:32] <MadCommieScienti> If there is no 1 - 1.5 s "Activate NFC chip" push command required then people might be able to swipe information from your device when it is in your pocket
[14:33] <MadCommieScienti> only idiots would do this thing otherwise then jubo-jubo
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[14:33] <Farby> :p
[14:33] <Sven_Manguard> Hello all.
[14:33] <Maplewing> Hello.
[14:33] <Farby> Hi Sven_Manguard :)
[14:33] <Jetro> Hello Sven.
[14:33] <Sven_Manguard> Isarra: You around? I could use a quick favor.
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[14:34] <Isarra> No.
[14:34] <Isarra> Why?
[14:34] <Isarra> What?
[14:34] <JasonDC|BNC> hey scen
[14:34] <Sven_Manguard> Aww. All I wanted was for the blank space around to be removed :D
[14:34] <JasonDC|BNC> *sven
[14:34] <Sven_Manguard> Hey JasonDC|BNC
[14:34] <Isarra> A crop?
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[14:34] <Isarra> Hello, error.
[14:34] <Sven_Manguard> Yes
[14:34] <geniice> wikidown
[14:34] <Sven_Manguard> That too. "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."
[14:35] <JasonDC|BNC> ya
[14:35] <Sven_Manguard> Sorry about that, entirely my fault
[14:35] <JasonDC|BNC> xD
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[14:35] <Dcoetzee> Looks like WP is down
[14:35] <Sven_Manguard> Wikipedia can't handle how epic my editing is
[14:35] <JasonDC|BNC> no mine, i replied to sven when logged out and everything exploded
[14:35] <Maplewing> really?
[14:35] <Isarra> Oh, it's down?
[14:35] <Maplewing> I'm using HTTPS
[14:35] <geniice> still down
[14:35] <Maplewing> not down
[14:35] <MadCommieScienti> this is jubo-jubo saying "oops." *though was in ##economics *
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[14:35] <JasonDC|BNC> its down on HTTPS
[14:35] <Maplewing> really
[14:35] <Maplewing> hm only on RC
[14:36] <Isarra> Sven_Manguard: Sorry, I can't do anything with the image with the site down.
[14:36] <D_> I'm tabbed over here to complain about WP being down
[14:36] <foks> Apparently servers are moving
[14:36] <JasonDC|BNC> well sven, didnt fastily do a rewrite of svenbot?
[14:36] <foks> so
[14:36] <D_> but I see that's already handled
[14:36] <foks> Site will be patchy for a whiley
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[14:36] <Sven_Manguard> JasonDC|BNC: I honestly don't remember anymore
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[14:36] <Dcoetzee> LyricsBot is not happy about this
[14:37] <Farby> o.o
[14:37] <Farby> uh
[14:37] <Addshore-W> O_o
[14:37] <JasonDC|BNC> alright, ill submit the BRFA's and try to re-work the code so it dosn't undo itself
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[14:37] <MJ|PingIfNeeded> who broke the wiki
[14:37] <Dcoetzee> I forgot the error handling ;-)
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[14:37] <kelapstick> seems to be back up
[14:37] <JasonDC|BNC> indeed
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[14:37] <Dcoetzee> Yup
[14:37] <JasonDC|BNC> well bbl, gotta run to metro
[14:38] <Sven_Manguard> k
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[14:39] <Qcoder00> Dcoetzee:  Question...
[14:39] <Shearonink> gack about the servers
[14:39] <Shearonink> just lost a whole bunch of edits
[14:39] <Shearonink> i know it will be fixed soon oh well
[14:40] <jorm> MadCommieScienti: I honestly have no idea what this conversation is about.
[14:40] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Answer
[14:40] <Sven_Manguard> JasonDC|BNC:
[14:41] <Qcoder00> Is there a way to make the captcha pick up blocks of Wikisource scans?
[14:41] <MadCommieScienti> jorm: RFID == generally very nasty for humans, NFC == if done right, very good for the humans
[14:41] <Qcoder00> so that the Captcha is aiding a WMF project?
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[14:41] <jorm> was this in response to my comment about how we ride subways here?
[14:42] <MadCommieScienti> [00:07] <jorm> RFID cards, we got in the Yay Area now.
[14:42] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Technically yes although I personally don't think Wikisource should be transcribing documents when Distributed Proofreaders do a better job of that.
[14:42] <Qcoder00> Some of the documents aren't PG
[14:42] <MadCommieScienti> jorm: I gather yours in not a long range RFID but like the Oyster-card is in London, quite harmless
[14:43] <Dcoetzee> The main issue with CAPTCHA based recognition is that it lacks context
[14:43] <Dcoetzee> So accuracy is lower
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[14:43] <Dcoetzee> Than with humans doing a page or pages
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[14:43] <Dcoetzee> It can be useful for double checking though
[14:44] <Jeske_Couriano> !admin whack
[14:44] <jorm> you have to tap it to the sensor for it to work.
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[14:45] <Demiurge1000> jorm: do u mean tape?
[14:46] <Demiurge1000> oh!
[14:46] <Demiurge1000> you don't.
[14:46] <Jeske_Couriano> Seriously, whack him now
[14:46] <Demiurge1000> Jeske_Couriano: dat sounds serious
[14:46] <Jeske_Couriano>
[14:46] <Pink|Television> Jeske_Couriano: whose sock?
[14:46] <Pink|Television> (and Superfreak got him)
[14:46] <Demiurge1000> Pink|Television: Stop looking at that gogglebox, it will make you go blind!
[14:47] <foks> Jeske_Couriano, done by Superfreak
[14:47] <Isarra> Superfreak: What were you after?
[14:47] <Matthew_> Pink|Television: LTA, it appears :/
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[14:47] <Pink|Television> give me a name and i'll tag that file for G5
[14:47] <Superfreak> Isarra: Huh?
[14:47] <Isarra> And are we complaining about RFID thingies?
[14:47] <Matthew_> Pink|Television: 'sec
[14:47] <Isarra> Because I can complain about those.
[14:47] <Isarra> Superfreak: Sorry, bad tabcomplete.
[14:48] <Isarra> Sven_Manguard: What were you after?
[14:48] <Matthew_> Pink|Television: [[User:John_Daker]]
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[14:48] <Sven_Manguard>  the blank space around to be removed, so that the edges of the points are very close to the edge of the image
[14:48] <Isarra> So crop to image?
[14:49] <Sven_Manguard> yes, that
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[14:49] <Sven_Manguard> my toes!
[14:49] <Sven_Manguard> awww, I liked those
[14:50] <MadCommieScienti> jorm: The proponents of long-range RFID argue that the functionality best described as a randomizer allays all security threats to humans .. the RFID technology works by asking each transponder chip in range to first give it's first bit. all devices in range give their first bit, same for 2nd bit, 3rd bit and so on. The Randomizer functionality makes the transponder chip reply that it is every code and no particular code at
[14:50] <MadCommieScienti> the same time
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[14:50] <MadCommieScienti> or something like that.. it is very complicated..
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[14:52] <Isarra> Sven_Manguard: Done.
[14:52] <Isarra> Made it bigger too.
[14:52] <Sven_Manguard> thanks Isarra!
[14:52] <Isarra> Hope you don't mind.
[14:54] <Isarra> "What is it going to take to get you to stay here?" "More money."
[14:54] <Isarra> IS that the usual approach with job things?
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[14:54] <Pink|Television> Matthew_: way to steal my tag ;P (jk, my fault for getting distracted)
[14:55] <Matthew_> Pink|Television: Heh, sorry.  Saw it wasn't done, so I did it.  :/
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[14:56] <Pink|Television> Matthew_ it's fine. just don't steal the mass rollback from me ;)
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[14:57] <Matthew_> Pink|Television: OK, I'm in the process of tagging the userpage :P
[14:57] <Pink|Television> ahhh someone beat me to that too! :P lol i haven't like done anything useful today
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[14:58] <Matthew_> Pink|Television: You've got the mass rollback, which is something :)
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[14:58] <Pink|Television> no, i meant someone beat me to the mass rollback. lol. it's fine. i've crossed enough LTA accounts for now.
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[14:59] <Pink|Television> at the very least I RFPP'ed the article for creation protection
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[15:00] <MRB[alt]> Bah, school wifi...
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[15:02] <Pink|Television> btw, there are currently 0 closed RFPPs. any admins with some extra time on their hands?
[15:02] <Pink|Television> *sorry. 1 has been closed.
[15:02] <Vacation9> "admins with some extra time on their hands" never happens :)
[15:03] <Pink|Television> not an appalling number of open cases, but percentage-wise it's pretty bad
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[15:04] <Pink|Television> hmm. this is interesting. where have i heard of this guy?
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[15:06] <foks> Pink|Television, admin of old
[15:07] <Pink|Television> must want to not lose the bit for inactivity or something
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[15:15] <Demiurge1000> "The unit cost for digital files is not zero. Who do you think pays for Apple's server farms or bandwidth? Do you think they run tens of thousands of servers just because they like it, and then they decided to use them to sell stuff?" -- from dat silly website. Well, fuck, my employer do. Except they never decided to sell anything. *shrug*. What's the big deal?
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[15:30] <BarkingFish> quiet, ain't it?
[15:31] <trrruc> very
[15:31] <trrruc> So i ate ultra fresh cheese today
�06[15:33] * Peter-C huggles BarkingFish
[15:33] <Peter-C> This week has been quiet... too quiet
�06[15:33] * trrruc also hugs Peter-C 
[15:33] <Peter-C> And people are gonna party up their 3 day weekend tonight
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[15:36] <BarkingFish> Peter-C, tell me about it.  Far too quiet for my liking.  I know medical professionals shouldn't wish to be busy, but in this case I will make an exception.
[15:36] <Peter-C> THIS IS KILLING ME
[15:36] <Peter-C> Only 7 calls for my whole department in the past week
[15:36] <trrruc> yay
[15:36] <Peter-C> That is 1/4 of our volume
[15:36] <trrruc> Peter-C: do you want moar?
[15:36] <Peter-C> Like, da faq
[15:36] <Peter-C> No, it just means something is happening
[15:37] <BarkingFish> yes. people are being more careful and less stupid :P
[15:37] <Peter-C> LOL
[15:37] <Peter-C> Good joke.
[15:37] <Peter-C> I laughed.
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[15:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C I can make prank calls if you like
[15:38] <Peter-C> WHOO
[15:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "911 whats your emergency?" "I need medical attention! My wikipedia page got vandalised!"
[15:39] <D_> I just found out that we have a "List of state leaders in $YEAR" article for every year since 499BC
[15:39] <D_> I am impressed
[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "911 whats your emergency?" "I ran out of beer and need medical care!"
[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ well yes
[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> before 499BC we dont have many leaders
[15:39] <D_> Before then it's by decades
[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> exactly
[15:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not much of a wirtten log
[15:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and not many elecitons
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[15:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like... no elections
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[15:40] <Qcoder00> -Shame it's not 'free'
[15:40] <Qcoder00> :(
[15:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Shame is free. You can have it through piracy :)
[15:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that was a double pun :)
[15:42] <D_> Wouldn't US copyright records be public domain?
[15:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Syria is to be named Human Slaughterhouse :/
[15:42] <Susan> Probably.
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[15:43] <foks> slooow
[15:43] <Farby> o.o
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[15:43] <Maplewing> geez...derp again
[15:43] <Demiurge1000> Maplewing: WP:DENY
[15:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ records are of course public
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[15:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks so
[15:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you be here?
[15:44] <foks> ye
[15:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> may I pm?
[15:44] <foks> If it's about a news story, no
[15:44] <foks> :P
[15:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its very important for me
[15:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I merely need your ideas, I am not asking you to do anything beyond that
[15:45] <foks> fine
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[15:46] <Farby> :o
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[15:50] <Qcoder00> Just rescued an image
[15:50] <Qcoder00> :)
[15:51] <Qcoder00> Magazine cover from 1935 , that wasn't listed in the CCE for 1963
[15:51] <Qcoder00> So it's PD right ?
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[15:53] <MartijnH> Qcoder00, if you want to be sure, check with commons
[15:53] <MartijnH> they tend to know that stuff
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[15:53] <Qcoder00> Trust me :)
[15:53] <Qcoder00> I checked the CCE manually
[15:53] <MartijnH> I meant on the "So it's PD" part
[15:54] <Qcoder00> OH OK
[15:54] <MartijnH> usually, when I have one of those, and I check with commons folk, they go "well, actually, in this specific case..."
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[15:54] <MartijnH> followed by stuff I don't remember, turning out I'm wrong
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�06[15:55] * GoofyGirl is reverting vandalism
[15:55] <GoofyGirl> :o
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[16:03] <D_> The Commons POTY banner goes over my username in the top links bar :(
[16:04] <Dcoetzee> Goofyboy: Good job reverting :-)
[16:05] <Dcoetzee> D_: So hide it? :-P
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[16:05] <D_> I did
[16:05] <D_> It just looked odd
[16:05] <D_> I'd rather have it in the usual banner space
[16:05] <Dcoetzee> Complain on #wikimedia-commons :-)
[16:06] <Dcoetzee> I don't get involved in POTY at all but others might care
[16:06] <D_> I don't know if I care enough
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[16:09] <BarkingFish> D_ - Clearly you cared enough to moan about it in the wrong place - if you moan about it in the right place, it's likely something may get done.
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[16:18] <Qcoder00> POTY?
[16:18] <Qcoder00> Evenign BarkingFish
[16:18] <Qcoder00> Not happy
[16:18] <Qcoder00> How are you?
[16:18] <D_> Picture of the Year
[16:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> We have to anually POTY
[16:19] <D_> Go POTY in the Commons?
[16:19] <Qcoder00> D_: Actually....
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[16:19] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00, at the moment, bored senseless, fuck all to do, would like to watch paint dry - it would probably be more interesting
[16:19] <Qcoder00> I don't think images of ceramic receptacles for human excreta would be out of scope for commons
[16:20] <Qcoder00> And some of them ARE culturally relevant...
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[16:20] <BarkingFish> you mean you want some khazi photos on commons
[16:20] <Qcoder00> I think there are some aforementioned ceramic articles that had satirical caricatures in them
[16:20] <BarkingFish> :)
[16:20] <BarkingFish> knock yourself out :)
[16:21] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:PM
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[16:22] <Qcoder00> Speaking of which is Peter-C Here?
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[16:28] <MoneypakTrader> hello, what's the irc command to message someone?
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> try /msg
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as in /msg username message
[16:29] <MoneypakTrader> thanks
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[16:29] <delldot> or /query username message
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mine is shorter :p
[16:30] <MoneypakTrader> it doesn't open a new tab though
[16:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> query should
[16:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just double click on the nick
[16:32] <jubo2> Konversation for great justice
[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> did someone say juice?
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[16:36] <BarkingFish> k beef, i'm out for the night.  hasta la see ya.
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[16:37] <jubo2> Commiemism and gov't based on personality cult and pineapple
[16:39] <jubo2> The forms of gov't the humans come up with..
[16:41] <jubo2> Chinese got the [[one party system]] going and teh USia has a two party tsydem thing going
[16:41] <Dcoetzee> Person says on my talk page: "I can assure you chords are not copyrightable generally - that's arrangement. Only words and melody are copyrightable. I may have lost track of music copyright law in the past 10 years (i.e. internet), but the basics haven't changed!"
[16:41] <Dcoetzee> I am like 90% sure this is not true :-P
[16:42] <Dcoetzee> Surely harmonies and beat and accompaniment are entitled to copyright as well.
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[16:45] <Hahc21> !invite
[16:45] <Hahc21> Hey
[16:46] <GoofyGirl> hi
[16:46] <GoofyGirl> :D
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[16:46] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Hi :-)
�06[16:46] * Dcoetzee waves hi to Hahc21 too
[16:47] <Hahc21> Hey
[16:47] <Dcoetzee> What does !invite do?
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[16:47] <Hahc21> How's thing?
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> uhu
[16:47] <Hahc21> Ehm bad command
�06[16:47] * GoofyGirl hiides with cookies
[16:47] <Hahc21> Ignore it
[16:47] <Dcoetzee> Thing is stuff
[16:47] <Hahc21> :P
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: :o hi
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[16:47] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Those were my cookies :-P
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> I getting 600 edits
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> I promised
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> I have 581
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> wait
[16:47] <GoofyGirl> 91*
[16:47] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Okay, okay, if you get your 600 edits you can have the cookies.
[16:48] <GoofyGirl> :|
[16:48] <GoofyGirl> No
[16:48] <GoofyGirl> no
[16:48] <GoofyGirl> wait
[16:49] <GoofyGirl> 592
[16:49] <GoofyGirl> :o
[16:49] <Dcoetzee> Almost there!
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[16:50] <Hahc21> OOh
[16:50] <Hahc21> Goofy, you have 591 edits?
[16:50] <GoofyGirl> 592
[16:50] <GoofyGirl> XD
[16:50] <Hahc21> Overall, or just this month? :)
[16:50] <GoofyGirl> yes because 2 days ago I had 300 edits
[16:50] <GoofyGirl> >_<
[16:50] <GoofyGirl> I am newcomer
[16:50] <Hahc21> Aw
[16:50] <GoofyGirl> or something
[16:51] <Hahc21> I remember then I was a newcomer
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�06[16:51] * GoofyGirl hurry
[16:51] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Let me know if you have any questions/need help. You're doing great.
[16:51] <Hahc21> Well, just in case nobody has, welcome to Wikipedia :)
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[16:51] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: o.O
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> jubo2 US has a one party system more or less
[16:51] <GoofyGirl> Ok
[16:51] <Hahc21> I second Dcoetzee
[16:51] <GoofyGirl> thnx
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how different are the two parties?
[16:51] <Hahc21> If you ever need something, just ask :)
[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee even slience is copyrighted
[16:52] <Dcoetzee> The US has the wacky superconservative/religious party, the Republicans, and the moderately conservative party, the Democrats :-P
[16:52] <GoofyGirl> remember I said "almost" a new comer
[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee superconservative party is actualy exeptionally liberal
[16:52] <GoofyGirl> :p
[16:52] <Hahc21> Omg did you see the new URAA law?
[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> by european definition
[16:52] <Hahc21> -or whatever it's called-
[16:52] <Dcoetzee> Both of them oppose commonsense things lots of European countries have like strong gun control and legalised prostitution.
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I think they should arm prostitutes in the US
[16:53] <Dcoetzee> The URAA isn't new :-P
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the greta prostitute army!
[16:53] <Dcoetzee> It's been haunting us since 1996, and was upheld by SCOTUS over a year ago
[16:53] <Hahc21> For me it is haha
[16:53] <Dcoetzee> We're still trying to delete the affected files from Commons...
[16:53] <Hahc21> Ugh
[16:53] <Hahc21> How many
[16:53] <Hahc21> ?
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Uruguay Round Agreements Act
[16:53] <Dcoetzee> Thousands.
[16:54] <Hahc21> Damn
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thousands?
[16:54] <Hahc21> This is unfair
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> And the Europeans are resisting the deletions every step of the way because they're like "it's PD here, why should we care about your US laws"
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no more like tens of thousands
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> Which is reasonable enough, but the US doesn't observe the rule of the shorter term
[16:54] <Hahc21> This will be a months' task
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I swear, US will be invaded by angry European fanbiys
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *fanboys
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> Many motnhs
[16:54] <Hahc21> Couldn't we just say that
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it will be messy
[16:54] <Hahc21> When they were uploaded
[16:54] <Hahc21> The copyright was different and thus
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hahc21 the law doesnt work that way
[16:54] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: No not really
[16:55] <Dcoetzee> URAA dates to 1996, before Wikipedia began
[16:55] <Hahc21> I know
[16:55] <Hahc21> xD
[16:55] <Hahc21> WP should move their servers to Uruguay xD
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee cant we claim we started in 1996 secretly? :)
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hahc21 thats actually worse
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mexico for instance has 100 year copyright law
[16:55] <Dcoetzee> :-P Even if we were a reliance party, SCOTUS declared they don't get to keep using the works.
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats life + 100 years
[16:55] <Dcoetzee> I'm doing an article on copyright law in Mexico. It's way more complciated than that.
�06[16:56] * GoofyGirl only 5 more
[16:56] <GoofyGirl> :D
[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I think best bet is putting servers into iran
[16:56] <GoofyGirl> iii
[16:56] <Dcoetzee> Most of their changes were non-retroactive.
[16:56] <Dcoetzee> So older works are not life+100, many are life+75 or other random things
[16:56] <Dcoetzee> Also Mexico used to require registration
[16:56] <Hahc21> Thank god copyright in Venezuela works different
[16:56] <Dcoetzee> Venezuela is pretty complicated too actually :-P
[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Venezuela is a berne signatory
[16:56] <Hahc21> Well
[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so its not that good
[16:57] <Hahc21> We ''technically'' don't have copyeight laws
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> north korea is a berne signatory
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they are at war with practically everyone
[16:57] <Hahc21> And violation of copyright is not followed
[16:57] <Dcoetzee> Venezuela has special reduced terms for audiovisual works, photos, broadcasts, computer programs, and anonymous works of 60 years from publication.
[16:57] <Hahc21> Yes
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hahc21 you technically have the law, its just not enforced
[16:57] <Hahc21> Exactly
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that can change overnight
[16:57] <Dcoetzee> India is probably the greatest example of a country that doesn't follow or understand its own copyright laws.
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[16:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee or any law for that matter
[16:58] <Dcoetzee> Indian culture widely accepts copying without attribution, it's expected there, in schools and in the workplace.
[16:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly people arent aware rape is illegal
[16:58] <BobTheWikipedian> somebody ping me if they see pharos
[16:58] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: That's... different :-P
[16:58] <Dcoetzee> People are protesting the rape, but not copyright infringement.
[16:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee is it? They werent complaining until recently
[16:59] <Hahc21> Indians have different perspectives of what is important ahd what isn't
[16:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rape must have been common before
[16:59] <BobTheWikipedian> ahem...dcoetzee:
[17:00] <Dcoetzee> To be fair there are still lots of cultures worldwide where people are like "if a man forces his wife that's okay cause she is his property and it's her duty"
[17:00] <Dcoetzee> Sooo yes in some places rape is culturally accepted.
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[17:00] <Hahc21> Rape shouldn't be accepted anywhere
[17:00] <Dcoetzee> (which obviously doesn't make it right, but does make it a lot harder to deal with)
[17:00] <Hahc21> Under any circumstances...
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[17:02] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Agreed there
[17:02] <Dcoetzee> There are times when local cultural standards deserve consideration, and times when universal human rights supersede everything.
[17:04] <EvilSon> I have a question.  how many edits are required in order to recieve a Wikipedia IRC cloak?
[17:05] <BobTheWikipedian> check WP:IRC
[17:05] <Hahc21> 250 edits
[17:05] <Hahc21> three months old
[17:05] <GoofyGirl> o.o
�06[17:05] * GoofyGirl want a cloak
[17:05] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:05] <BobTheWikipedian> yikes i just wikiimp'd
[17:05] <GoofyGirl> where I ask
[17:05] <GoofyGirl> for one
�06[17:05] * Dcoetzee wraps GoofyGirl in a blanket
[17:05] <Hahc21> You can make a request on WP:IRC
[17:05] <Hahc21> I guess
�06[17:05] * BobTheWikipedian shares his cloak
[17:05] <Hahc21> I got mine some days ago
�06[17:06] * GoofyGirl steals BobTheWikipedian's cloak
[17:06] <BobTheWikipedian> :o
�06[17:06] * GoofyGirl runs away
[17:06] <BobTheWikipedian> come back here with that!
[17:06] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: See
[17:06] <Dcoetzee> Direct link to cloak request form:
�06[17:06] * GoofyGirl walks to meta
�06[17:06] * GoofyGirl hugs Dcoetzee
�06[17:06] * Dcoetzee hugs :-)
�06[17:06] * GoofyGirl who said that
[17:07] <GoofyGirl> O.o
[17:07] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Bob is going to need his cloak back you know, he might get cold. :-)
[17:07] <BobTheWikipedian> i am freezing
[17:07] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:07] <GoofyGirl> haha
�06[17:07] * GoofyGirl no thnx
[17:08] <EvilSon> I'm gonna start looking at random pages.and editing them so I can get 250 editw
[17:08] <EvilSon> edits
�06[17:08] * GoofyGirl save BobTheWikipedian's cloak
[17:08] <EvilSon> My wikipedia account is about a year old :p
[17:08] <Dcoetzee> EvilSon: I recommend categorization and disambiguation
[17:08] <D_> EvilSon: You can go and tackle a backlog instead
[17:08] <Dcoetzee> Those are actual useful ways to rack up your edit count
[17:08] <GoofyGirl> 597 Only 3 mores
[17:08] <GoofyGirl> :'(
[17:08] <GoofyGirl> only 3 more
�06[17:08] * Dcoetzee cheers for GoofyGirl
[17:09] <EvilSon> I use Special:random and check for gramatical errors
[17:09] <GoofyGirl> o.o
�06[17:09] * GoofyGirl cheers for me
[17:09] <GoofyGirl> hih
[17:09] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:09] <D_> Well, as long as you call it random page patrol...
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[17:09] <GoofyGirl> Goofyboy: :o
[17:09] <Goofyboy> yes?
[17:10] <GoofyGirl> XD
[17:10] <Goofyboy> :p
[17:10] <Dcoetzee> EvilSon: If you're going to copyedit at least copyedit whole sections
[17:10] <Dcoetzee> EvilSon: Don't fix just one grammar error per page
[17:10] <Dcoetzee> That looks bad :-P
[17:10] <EvilSon> I changed one image on the Firefox article, changed Firefox 17 on Linux to Firefox 18 on Linux and took a screenshot :)
[17:10] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[17:11] <BobTheWikipedian> brb
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[17:11] <Dcoetzee> I used to get very upset about people including the copyrighted Wikipedia logo in screenshots of web browsers
[17:11] <Dcoetzee> But I couldn't get anybody else to care about it
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[17:11] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:11] <GoofyGirl> pretty cloak
[17:12] <GoofyGirl> :3
[17:12] <BobTheWikipedian> what did i miss
[17:12] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: The usual, mass murder, orgies, the most beautiful song in the world
[17:12] <Hahc21> GoofyGirl, when did you started editing? :)
[17:12] <BobTheWikipedian> aw man
[17:12] <GoofyGirl> Hahc21: S
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> few months ago
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[17:13] <GoofyGirl> :S
[17:13] <Hahc21> Good
[17:13] <Hahc21> :)
[17:13] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: What kind of articles do you like to edit? :-)
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> in aprox
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: Phone?
[17:13] <BobTheWikipedian> white ones with black letters
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> the simpsons
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> mmm Goofy the move
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[17:13] <GoofyGirl> movie*
[17:13] <Dcoetzee> Ahh that explains the name :-)
[17:13] <Hahc21> Indeed :)
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:13] <GoofyGirl> :o
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[17:13] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[17:14] <GoofyGirl> nobody know who I am
[17:14] <Hahc21> I guess not
[17:14] <GoofyGirl> I am here from few days with other nick
[17:14] <GoofyGirl> XD
[17:14] <GoofyGirl> :p
[17:14] <Hahc21> Oh
[17:14] <BobTheWikipedian> what the.
�06[17:14] * GoofyGirl is Carly Farby DFrostedGirl
�06[17:14] * GoofyGirl and more
�06[17:15] * GoofyGirl shrugs
[17:15] <BobTheWikipedian> wow, i just found a huge mistake on my reference list
[17:15] <BobTheWikipedian> no wonder no one will hire me
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[17:15] <Dcoetzee> Ohhh I've seen DFrostedGirl around
[17:15] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: How bad was it?
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> lol
[17:15] <Hahc21> I think I have too
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> really?
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> me too
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> XD
[17:15] <Dcoetzee> :-P
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[17:15] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> that cloak
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> :D
[17:15] <BobTheWikipedian> i said someone was a real estate appraiser with the university of southern indiana
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> 598 edits
[17:15] <GoofyGirl> only 2 more
[17:16] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:16] <GoofyGirl> :DDDDD
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[17:17] <BobTheWikipedian> dcoetzee dies of laughter, apparently
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[17:17] <Dcoetzee> I'm not dead :-(
�03[17:17] * Cassie is now known as Superfreak
[17:17] <Hahc21> Good
[17:17] <Hahc21> ALmost 600
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> 60
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> 6000
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
�06[17:18] * GoofyGirl IS HAPPY
[17:18] <BobTheWikipedian> we have folks here who can help you with that derrick
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> 600
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> :o
�06[17:18] * Dcoetzee cheers for GoofyGirl!
�06[17:18] * Dcoetzee hugs GoofyGirl
[17:18] <Dcoetzee> Great job :-)
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:18] <Hahc21> I just reached 21,200 yesterday :D
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> thnx
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> :D
[17:18] <GoofyGirl> Member of groups:	Autoconfirmed users, Users
[17:19] <GoofyGirl> Number of edits:	600
[17:19] <GoofyGirl> :O
[17:19] <Dcoetzee> My account is 9 years old but I only have 33000 edits
[17:19] <BobTheWikipedian> i have to do math to figure mine
[17:19] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: o.o
[17:19] <BobTheWikipedian> add up my personal and work edits
[17:19] <Dcoetzee> On Commons on the other hand, I have 69955 edits
�06[17:19] * GoofyGirl steals Dcoetzee's edits and runs away
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[17:19] <ihaveamac> my account is 4 years old and only has 1500+ edits
[17:19] <Hahc21> Mine is
[17:19] <Dcoetzee> Put them together and I have over 100000
[17:19] <ihaveamac> :D
[17:19] <Hahc21> 4 years, 10 months and 17 days old
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[17:20] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:20] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Hey I need those for STATUS ;-)
[17:20] <GoofyGirl> wow
[17:20] <BobTheWikipedian> :)
�06[17:20] * GoofyGirl no
�06[17:20] * GoofyGirl looks at BobTheWikipedian
[17:20] <BobTheWikipedian> my total edits on all wikis is... a lot
[17:20] <GoofyGirl> :D
[17:20] <D_> They warned me against editcountitis
[17:20] <Hahc21> DCoeztee how the hell you have ~70K on Commons D:
[17:20] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:20] <ihaveamac> editcountitis
[17:20] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Editor since Nov 2004 :-P
[17:20] <GoofyGirl> in a 2 weeks I was active in a proyect
[17:20] <Hahc21> Oh But
[17:21] <Dcoetzee> All edits on Commons are small edits :-P
[17:21] <Hahc21> that means that you should make
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> I get to have more 2000 edits
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> :o
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> working all day
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> -_-
[17:21] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: I bet you can make 10,000 :-)
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: Nah
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> :p
[17:21] <Hahc21> oh
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: soon I will retire
[17:21] <EvilSon> Had my first account not gotten banned... I would have more than 150 edits :(
[17:21] <BobTheWikipedian> 19346 edits by Bob the Wikipedian
[17:21] <Hahc21> 648 edits per month
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> this week or the next
[17:21] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Okay I bet you can make 1,000 then :-P
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> :p
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: nope
[17:21] <GoofyGirl> :p
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> only this
[17:22] <Dcoetzee> Up to you :-P
[17:22] <BobTheWikipedian> 1094 edits by Rob Schnautz (WMF)
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> o.O
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> >_<
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> 194
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> 1094*
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> wow
[17:22] <BobTheWikipedian> hey, 1094 in 5 months isn't bad
[17:22] <D_> According to my math, I have 0.0116 edits per hour on average
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> BobTheWikipedian: :| is not bad is worse
[17:22] <GoofyGirl> xd
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[17:22] <Hahc21> According to my math.. I dunno xD
[17:22] <BobTheWikipedian> that puts me at 20440 edits
[17:22] <Hahc21> I have
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�06[17:23] * GoofyGirl brings cookies and cakes
[17:23] <Hahc21> average of 2000 edits per month
[17:23] <BobTheWikipedian> veteran editor iv
[17:23] <GoofyGirl> cool
[17:23] <EvilSon> 147 edits on Sk8rSoda. :(
[17:23] <EvilSon> my old account.
[17:23] <GoofyGirl> :p
[17:23] <GoofyGirl> much
[17:23] <GoofyGirl> -_-
[17:23] <EvilSon> 41 edits on Skater_2015
[17:23] <Hahc21> I edit a lot
[17:24] <Hahc21> I admit
�06[17:24] * Dcoetzee goes to eat congee
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�06[17:24] * GoofyGirl asleep on the bed
�06[17:24] * GoofyGirl dont scream
[17:24] <Hahc21> goofygilr why will you retire?
[17:25] <Hahc21> ups
[17:25] <Hahc21> GoofyGirl*
[17:25] <BobTheWikipedian> i average 8 edits per day since 30 may 2006
[17:25] <GoofyGirl> Hahc21: because I can't continue editing Wikipedia
[17:25] <Hahc21> Why? :(
[17:25] <GoofyGirl> I will be back in 2-years
[17:25] <GoofyGirl> 2-3*
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[17:25] <GoofyGirl> :D
[17:25] <Hahc21> wow
[17:25] <BobTheWikipedian> she got arrested
[17:25] <Hahc21> D:
[17:25] <GoofyGirl> haha
[17:26] <Hahc21> Srly?
[17:26] <BobTheWikipedian> plan on 3, i'm not bailing you out
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�06[17:26] * GoofyGirl grabs cakes and eats
[17:26] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah for breaking into her school to edit wikipedia on the smartboard
[17:26] <BobTheWikipedian> she wanted the points on the wikiholic quiz
[17:27] <Hahc21> lol
[17:27] <GoofyGirl> I have 45 messages from a person in Facebook
[17:27] <GoofyGirl> >_<
[17:27] <BobTheWikipedian> hate mail?
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[17:27] <D_> Send a request for a concise summary of previous correspondence
[17:27] <GoofyGirl> i am back
[17:27] <GoofyGirl> tom
[17:27] <GoofyGirl> my home
[17:27] <GoofyGirl> back wsoon
[17:27] <Amqui> good evening
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[17:29] <Hahc21> How do I do the
[17:29] <Hahc21> "* GoofyGirl grabs cakes and eats"
[17:29] <Hahc21> thing?
[17:29] <D_> You do /me
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�06[17:29] * Hahc21 Dies all over the floor
�06[17:29] * ihaveamac says hi
[17:29] <Amqui> Hahc21 lol
[17:29] <Hahc21> oh
[17:29] <D_> Ok, that sounded wrong
[17:29] <BobTheWikipedian> ew
[17:29] <GoofyGirl> so /me action
�06[17:29] * GoofyGirl O.O
[17:29] <GoofyGirl> :D
�06[17:29] * Hahc21 Has been a Wikipedian since the past mellenia
�06[17:29] * Hahc21 millenia*
�06[17:30] * Amqui * *
[17:30] <GoofyGirl> o.o
�06[17:30] * Hahc21 says Hi to Ihaveamac
[17:30] <GoofyGirl> cool
[17:30] <BobTheWikipedian> didn't type a slash
�06[17:30] * Amqui  Ihavebigmac
�06[17:30] * GoofyGirl where is our dear Dcoetzee
[17:30] <GoofyGirl> :(
[17:30] <ihaveamac> if I didn't remove "ihaveabigmac" from my list of words that cause an alert
[17:30] <ihaveamac> would have alerted me
[17:30] <ihaveamac> :p
[17:30] <GoofyGirl> :p
[17:31] <Amqui> I only said Ihavebigmac not Ihaveabigmac
[17:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hahc21 that is impossible
[17:31] <GoofyGirl> XD
[17:31] <BobTheWikipedian> ...why?
[17:31] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: I'm eating congee for dinner because I'm sick :-)
�06[17:31] * Hahc21 wonders what is impossible.... xD
[17:32] <Amqui>  pouet
�06[17:32] * ihaveamac can also make it alert whenever certain people say anything
[17:32] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: sick?
[17:32] <GoofyGirl> oh
[17:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia was launched 15 January 2011
[17:32] <Dcoetzee> As in ill :-)
[17:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *wikipedia was launched 15 January 2001
[17:32] <Hahc21> Oh
[17:32] <Hahc21> Well
[17:32] <BobTheWikipedian> i used to have an alert for when people acronymized my name
[17:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which is after the start of this millenium
[17:32] <ihaveamac> "BTW"?
[17:32] <Hahc21> Wikipedia was in my heart before it was conceived
[17:32] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah
[17:33] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: BTW is "by the way", Internet slang
[17:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> last milenium ended on 31 December 2000
[17:33] <Amqui> What is Wikipedia by the way?
[17:33] <BobTheWikipedian> it got annoying
�06[17:33] * GoofyGirl never eat bean soup,because the last time did it,almost died
[17:33] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Congee is rice porridge :-) No beans unless I add them
[17:33] <ihaveamac> Dcoetzee: I know c:
[17:33] <Amqui> I heard Wikipedia is not useful since anybody can edit it
[17:34] <ihaveamac> people say that
[17:34] <ihaveamac> "anyone can edit it so it's not reliable"
[17:34] <BobTheWikipedian> i also had "stalk anyone" and "stalk everyone"
[17:34] <GoofyGirl> I do not like the soup of any kind
[17:34] <Dcoetzee> Wikipedia isn't reliable.
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[17:34] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah, it goes down sometimes
[17:34] <Amqui> so they prefer to rely on only one person, then to rely on many persons that rely on several sources?
[17:34] <Dcoetzee> It's explicitly indicates at WP:RS as not being a reliable source.
[17:34] <D_> I like to point people to [[Criticism of Wikipedia]]
[17:34] <Dcoetzee> *indicated
[17:34] <D_> Because ironically, it's a pretty good article
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[17:34] <ihaveamac> D_: even wikipedia has a neutral point of view against itself
[17:35] <BobTheWikipedian> it's a bad one, of course
[17:35] <Dcoetzee> However, no other encyclopedia is considered a reliable source either :-P
[17:35] <Amqui> a bad NPOV xD
[17:35] <Amqui> NPOV is a POV anyway
[17:36] <BobTheWikipedian> that guy in gone with the wind was frank in his bad npov
[17:36] <GoofyGirl> Get well soon Dcoetzee :)
[17:36] <ihaveamac> what
[17:36] <BobTheWikipedian> frankly my dear...
[17:36] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Thx :-)
[17:36] <Amqui> NPOV is technically impossible, since being neutral is a POV for certain
�06[17:36] * GoofyGirl hugs tight to her new friend Dcoetzee
[17:36] <ihaveamac> Dcoetzee: what happened?
�06[17:37] * GoofyGirl hides
�06[17:37] * Dcoetzee chases down GoofyGirl, hugs her back :-)
[17:37] <Amqui> dixit US President "You are either with us, or against us" :P
[17:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui ya
[17:37] <Amqui> why nobody catching on trolling tonight
[17:37] <D_> NPOV doesn't equate to lack of a point of view
[17:37] <Amqui> oh there we go
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[17:37] <BobTheWikipedian> not so
[17:37] <BobTheWikipedian>,_my_dear,_I_don%27t_give_a_damn
�06[17:37] * GoofyGirl Dcoetzee :D
[17:37] <BobTheWikipedian> ^ npov
[17:37] <Amqui> ;)
[17:38] <Dcoetzee> NPOV means it's written from the viewpoint of like a guy who doesn't really give a fuck
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[17:38] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:38] <Amqui> lol
[17:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I dont give a fuck but then again I dont read
[17:38] <D_> But what if the issue is giving a fuck or not
[17:38] <Dcoetzee> "Oh I guess some stuff happened. And this one guy was like X. And the other guy was like Y. I mean, not that it matters."
[17:38] <Amqui> but if he really doesn't give a fuck, he would give a fuck to write it lol
[17:38] <BobTheWikipedian> [[:Category:Profanity]]]
[17:38] <Amqui> so the only article really NPOV is the one who is not written yet
[17:38] <Amqui> lol
[17:38] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[17:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui I disagree
[17:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the policy itself is neutral too
[17:39] <GoofyGirl> I have hunger, I will raid the refrigerator
[17:39] <GoofyGirl> wait
�06[17:39] * GoofyGirl is away
[17:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> raid?
[17:39] <BobTheWikipedian> related topics: [[American Civil War]], [[Confederate States of America]]...
[17:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> use swat gear
[17:39] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Eat well :-)
[17:39] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: The food inside is poorly armed and demoralised by the chilling temperatures
[17:39] <Amqui> for some ppl saying the Earth isn't plane is a POV
[17:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee sure but thats not an excuse.
[17:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you should always enter with a c3 charge
[17:40] <BobTheWikipedian> from my point of view it is not visible
[17:40] <GoofyGirl> refrigerator alarm is activated :( Dcoetzee
[17:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and toss in a flashbang
[17:40] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Then you have to get in, get out before anyone catches you :-P
[17:40] <D_> Are you taking a spetsnaz approach to hostage rescue?
[17:41] <Dcoetzee> Well she's capturing food in order to eat it, so I think that's less rescue and more abduction
[17:41] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: hahaa sure
[17:41] <GoofyGirl> :)
[17:41] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[17:41] <Amqui> is that NPOV:
[17:41] <Amqui> ?
[17:41] <D_> Anyway, what we need to do is transfer all Wikipedians to another universe
[17:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think it is an abduction
[17:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> more of a hunt
[17:41] <D_> so that we get rid of observer effect and establish a true NPOV
�06[17:41] * GoofyGirl had not noticed, there are people so funny
[17:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ that is easy
[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> read up on string theory
[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> anything that can happen, does happen
[17:42] <BobTheWikipedian> i could write an npov on string theory
[17:42] <D_> In the multiple worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics?
[17:42] <Dcoetzee> We could flip a coin, and if it comes up heads, we kill all non-Wikipedians. Then there'll be a parallel universe where everybody else survived, so it's morally okay.
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[17:43] <GoofyGirl> u
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[17:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee actually each death would probably spew multiple parallel universes
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[17:43] <D_> That reminds me of a quantum sorting algorithm: If list isn't sorted, destroy universe.
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[17:44] <Dcoetzee> D_: Constant time!
�06[17:44] * Hahc21 is back
[17:44] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:44] <Dcoetzee> I'm also fond of bogosort
[17:44] <Dcoetzee> The only sorting algorithm I know of with *unbounded* running time
�06[17:44] * GoofyGirl welcome back dear Hahc21 :D
[17:44] <Dcoetzee> (exponential on average)
[17:45] <BobTheWikipedian> '''String theory''' is the theory things are made of tiny strings. Lots of people believe in it, and they are all scientists. A lot of scientists don't believe in it, and the rest of the world has no idea what it is aside from it involving strings. There is a song about the theory written by [[They Might Be Giants]], in which they explain it to the public as a load of crap.<ref name=tmbg />
[17:45] <Hahc21> thanks :)
[17:45] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: ...where is that from
[17:45] <Hahc21> Dcoetzee, when did you become an admin in Commons?
[17:45] <BobTheWikipedian> i wrote it
[17:45] <BobTheWikipedian> on the spot
[17:45] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Ummm, 2004, 2005 or something
[17:45] <Dcoetzee> I forget
[17:45] <GoofyGirl> wow
[17:45] <GoofyGirl> a admi
�06[17:45] * GoofyGirl steals Dcoetzee
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[17:45] <Hahc21> wow a long ago
[17:45] <Amqui> a found a parallel universe:
�06[17:45] * Jasper_Deng handcuffs GoofyGirl
[17:45] <D_> I always liked this as an introduction to string theory:
[17:45] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: :-( Making me your pet admin?
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> Dcoetzee: :D
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> yes
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> you're my pet now
�06[17:46] * GoofyGirl mounts a pony
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> Ijaaaaaa
�06[17:46] * Dcoetzee wears collar? :-P
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> mm
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> yes
[17:46] <GoofyGirl> Jasper_Deng: mm pretty nick :D
�06[17:47] * GoofyGirl take Dcoetzee and runs away
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee is MY pet admin
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> bugger off!
[17:47] <Dcoetzee> There's enough of me to go around :-)
�06[17:47] * ToAruShiroiNeko shocks Dcoetzee
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�06[17:47] * Dcoetzee yelps
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what?
[17:47] <Dcoetzee> " 14:53, 28 March 2007 EugeneZelenko (talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Dcoetzee from (none) to administrator"
[17:47] <Dcoetzee> I was soo far off
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it wasnt an electrick shock
[17:48] <GoofyGirl> haha
[17:48] <GoofyGirl> uu
[17:48] <Hahc21> Lol
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[17:48] <GoofyGirl> 	NickServ	Carly-!~carly@ has just authenticated as you (I-am-a-treasure)
[17:48] <GoofyGirl> :(
[17:48] <GoofyGirl> what is this
[17:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I merely showned to the ending of the next star trek movie
[17:48] <Hahc21> For more information, see [[WP:PETADMIN]]
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[17:49] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: The day Star Trek comes up with a shocking ending, I'll really be shocked :-P
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[17:50] <BobTheWikipedian> oh my
[17:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee yes but it has a Spock-Kirk scene
[17:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its R rated
[17:50] <BobTheWikipedian> no new wikidragon subspecies have been discovered since 2010
[17:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> R for retarded :p
[17:50] <yakary_> You han Spañil
[17:50] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: You expect me to be shocked by Spock/Kirk slash? :-P This is the Internet!
[17:50] <yakary_> aki no hablan español
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[17:51] <Dcoetzee> You can hardly walk two feet without encountering that
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[17:52] <Hahc21> Si se habla español :P
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[17:52] <GoofyGirl> Hahc21: Hola
[17:52] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[17:52] <GoofyGirl> habla español
[17:52] <Hahc21> Hola :D
[17:52] <Hahc21> Yep, hablo español :)
[17:52] <GoofyGirl> :D
[17:52] <Bradford> o_O
[17:52] <GoofyGirl> :|
[17:52] <Bradford> que locura XD
[17:52] <GoofyGirl> Bradford: Aló?
[17:53] <GabrielF> I think Kirk/Spock was the original slash fiction
[17:53] <Hahc21> Lol
[17:53] <GoofyGirl> :|
[17:53] <Bradford> Hahc21:  Hola :D
�06[17:53] * GoofyGirl abrazos Hahc21 :D
[17:53] <Hahc21> Ahora todos hablan español
[17:53] <GoofyGirl> No
[17:53] <GoofyGirl> él es mi amigo
[17:53] <Hahc21> xD
[17:53] <Hahc21> Oh
[17:53] <GoofyGirl> hands off
�06[17:53] * GoofyGirl take Hahc21 and runs away from Bradford
[17:53] <Bradford> Hahc21:  quieres ser my friends? e_e
�06[17:53] * Hahc21 has ben taken by GoofyGirl
[17:53] <Hahc21> Indeed, why not
[17:54] <Hahc21> :)
�06[17:54] * GoofyGirl eats Hahc21
[17:54] <Bradford> XD
[17:54] <GoofyGirl> :)
[17:54] <Bradford> :)
�06[17:54] * Hahc21 has been eaten
[17:54] <GoofyGirl> == The end ==
[17:54] <GoofyGirl> :)
[17:54] <Bradford> o_O
[17:54] <GoofyGirl> Bradford: is late good night
[17:54] <GoofyGirl> sleep good
[17:54] <Amqui> there`s the string theory for you:
[17:55] <GoofyGirl> :)
[17:55] <Bradford> Amqui:  o_o
[17:55] <Bradford> Amqui:  Hi, my friends ;)
[17:55] <Amqui> hola Bradford
[17:55] <closedmouth> so much noise
[17:55] <Bradford> Amqui:  Tenia tiempo sin verte :s
[17:56] <Amqui> :S
[17:56] <Bradford> ._.
�06[17:56] * GoofyGirl is a thief
[17:57] <Bradford> Amqui:  eras de canadá?
[17:57] <Amqui> si
[17:57] <Bradford> ;)
[17:57] <Amqui> en la nieve
[17:57] <Amqui> lol
[17:57] <Bradford> é_é
[17:58] <GoofyGirl> Bradford: Good night
[17:58] <GoofyGirl> sleep well.
[17:58] <GoofyGirl> :)
[17:58] <Bradford> Amqui: y  editas en wikipedia?
[17:58] <Gfoley4> wtf
[17:58] <Hahc21> lol
[17:58] <GoofyGirl> lol
[17:58] <Bradford> e_e
[17:58] <Hahc21> now we have an #wikipedia-es-en channel xD
�06[17:59] * GoofyGirl pulls Hahc21 's tail
[17:59] <Bradford> youre banned
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[17:59] <Bradford> lol
[17:59] <Amqui> Bradford qué wikipedia?
[17:59] <GoofyGirl> espanglish
[17:59] <GoofyGirl> XD
[17:59] <Bradford> Amqui:  No sé en español inglés?
[17:59] <Bradford> XD
[17:59] <Amqui> Goofyboy we call that american
[17:59] <Amqui> in Canada it`s franglish
[18:00] <Bradford> o_o
[18:00] <Amqui> Bradford en francés
[18:00] <GoofyGirl> XD
[18:00] <Bradford> :)
[18:00] <GoofyGirl> I think others users  here,are thinking "what are talking about"
[18:00] <GoofyGirl> :P
[18:00] <Amqui> where I'm from it's really franglish, half french half english in every sentences lol
[18:01] <Bradford> Amqui:  y aún estas en #wikimedia-ve?
[18:01] <Amqui> si
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[18:01] <GoofyGirl> Spanglish "Spanish and English" ?
[18:01] <GoofyGirl> I guess
[18:01] <Amqui> lol
[18:01] <Amqui> sounds like a good guess to me
[18:01] <Bradford> XD
[18:02] <Dcoetzee> I've heard it called franglais too
[18:02] <Dcoetzee> francais + anglais
[18:02] <Amqui> yes
[18:02] <Dcoetzee> I've spoken that mixture a fair amount :-P
[18:02] <Amqui> depends what side of the fence you are
[18:02] <Hahc21> I can fairly speak english and spanish
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[18:02] <Hahc21> maybe a bit of italian, french and portuguese
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[18:03] <Amqui> Hahc21 what about: ?
[18:03] <Amqui> we are looking for contributors
[18:03] <GoofyGirl> I was learning german I only know say "danke"
[18:03] <GoofyGirl> XD
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[18:03] <Hahc21> wtf that's beyond what I can speak lol
[18:03] <Amqui> Hahc21 it's Canadian
[18:03] <Amqui> Canadian alphabet
[18:04] <Hahc21> Canadian?
[18:04] <Amqui> yes
[18:04] <Amqui> refnec:
[18:04] <Hahc21> oooh
[18:05] <Hahc21> First time I see that
[18:05] <Amqui> ok
[18:05] <Hahc21> I assume that you read it flowly right?
[18:05] <Amqui> we have only 172 articles (most of them contain only one word) but they use Wikipedia in that alphabet on every swag product from the WMF lol
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[18:06] <Amqui> see
[18:06] <Amqui> the back... the biggest word is cree lol
[18:07] <Amqui> oh  no inuktitut on that one, same thing
�06[18:07] * GoofyGirl steals Hahc21
[18:07] <Amqui>
�06[18:07] * GoofyGirl zzz
[18:07] <Hahc21> lol
[18:08] <Hahc21> I was learning japanese
[18:08] <Amqui> I guess that`s a parallel universe lol
[18:08] <Hahc21> But I quit
[18:08] <Amqui> where all letters are triangles
[18:08] <BobTheWikipedian> i know some tagalog
[18:08] <Amqui> i know some mongol
[18:08] <BobTheWikipedian> but i can't spell it
[18:08] <Hahc21> Yeah
[18:08] <Amqui> especially in the government
[18:08] <Hahc21> those letters look very
[18:08] <Hahc21> ....
[18:08] <Hahc21> symbolic
[18:08] <Hahc21> and
[18:08] <Hahc21> magic
[18:08] <Hahc21> xD
[18:09] <Amqui> Hahc21
[18:09] <BobTheWikipedian> aba ginoong Maria...
[18:09] <GoofyGirl> I am learning Spanish
[18:09] <GoofyGirl> XD
[18:09] <Hahc21> omg
[18:09] <Hahc21> interesting
[18:09] <BobTheWikipedian> something something mamamatay
[18:09] <Hahc21> Yay Goofy
[18:09] <GoofyGirl> lol
[18:09] <Hahc21> panish is not difficult
[18:09] <BobTheWikipedian> only to spell
[18:09] <GoofyGirl> and I am a native speaker
[18:09] <Hahc21> it's just... complicated
[18:09] <Hahc21> I am a native speaker of spanish
[18:09] <Hahc21> :
[18:10] <Hahc21> :P
[18:10] <BobTheWikipedian> is panish from penmark?
[18:10] <GoofyGirl> me too
[18:10] <Amqui> oh even better:
[18:10] <Bradford> O_o
[18:10] <GoofyGirl> Well
�06[18:10] * GoofyGirl gets on the spacecraft with Hahc21 and Dcoetzee
[18:11] <GoofyGirl> byeee cruel world
[18:11] <Hahc21> lol
[18:11] <Hahc21> Spanish*
[18:11] <GoofyGirl> :o
[18:11] <Amqui> lol
[18:11] <BobTheWikipedian> oh, spenmark
[18:11] <Hahc21> haha
[18:11] <BobTheWikipedian> woah.
[18:11] <BobTheWikipedian> i just got an email from yahoo, a legitimate one, with sex in the title
[18:12] <Hahc21> o.0
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[18:12] <BobTheWikipedian> "Keyword : [new species]: Canadian scientists latch on to new theory of barnacle sex: “spermcasting” "
[18:12] <GoofyGirl> XD
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[18:13] <Bradford> o_o
[18:13] <GoofyGirl> o.O
[18:13] <GoofyGirl> God >_<
[18:13] <Bradford> O_o
[18:13] <The_Blade> Well, someone has to research such things.
[18:13] <BobTheWikipedian> wow that sounds even wronger once you read it
[18:13] <BobTheWikipedian> spermcasting
�06[18:13] * GoofyGirl hides and hide her pet Hahc21
[18:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hah
[18:14] <Amqui>
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[18:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> daily shows take on death star is win :)
[18:14] <Bradford> o_O
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[18:14] <Hahc21> Lol
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[18:15] <GoofyGirl> :D
�06[18:15] * GoofyGirl gives cookies to Hahc21
[18:15] <GoofyGirl> aawww
�06[18:15] * Hahc21 eats the cookies
[18:15] <GoofyGirl> :)
[18:15] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmmm. i assume (probably wrongly) that it's safe to assume people are no longer using office 2003 in workplaces
[18:16] <GoofyGirl> I'm looking for other pets
[18:16] <GoofyGirl> mmm I have 3
[18:16] <Bradford> o_P
[18:16] <GoofyGirl> Hahc21: Dcoetzee and magog_the_ogre
[18:16] <GoofyGirl> :o
[18:16] <BobTheWikipedian> the only self-proclaimed wikiogre i know of
[18:16] <The_Blade> Heh.
�06[18:17] * GoofyGirl put Hahc21 in a pretty pink dress
[18:17] <Hahc21> Good evening The_Blade
[18:17] <The_Blade> Hello, how you is?
[18:18] <Amqui>
�06[18:18] * Hahc21 was previously known as Deathly, but he changed his name when he became an ArbCom clerk
[18:18] <Bradford> LOL
[18:18] <BobTheWikipedian> lol....i saw an infographic today about guns and causes of death....
[18:19] <BobTheWikipedian> rifles were higher than assault guns
[18:19] <BobTheWikipedian> handguns were twice as high as rifles
[18:19] <The_Blade> Given how many more people own rifles, that's not exactly shocking.
[18:19] <BobTheWikipedian> and automobiles were at a whopping 32k
[18:19] <Amqui> BobTheWikipedian where was age?
[18:19] <BobTheWikipedian> ban auto sales. problem solved.
[18:19] <Hahc21> The_Blade, now you recognize me?
[18:19] <Amqui> and stupidity?
[18:19] <BobTheWikipedian> this is murders and homicides
[18:20] <The_Blade> Yeah, I got you; I said /how/ you is?
[18:20] <Hahc21> oh lol
[18:20] <The_Blade> It's Tristan da Cunha English.
[18:20] <Amqui> automobile for murder?
[18:20] <BobTheWikipedian> age isn't murder or homicide
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[18:20] <Hahc21> I am fine :)
[18:20] <BobTheWikipedian> involuntary, but so are rifle deaths
[18:20] <The_Blade> Not that I'm from there, but I pick up on things reading Bill Bryson.
[18:20] <Amqui> we don't use the same definition of murder then
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[18:20] <Hahc21> And you?
[18:21] <The_Blade> Doing well enough for me.
[18:21] <Hahc21> Good
[18:21] <BobTheWikipedian> and no i don't consider an accident murder but the infographic did
[18:21] <BobTheWikipedian> unless it's involuntary manslaughter
[18:21] <Amqui> Homicide (Latin: homicidium, Latin: homo human being + Latin: caedere to cut, kill) is an act of a human killing another human.
[18:22] <Amqui> the bullet killed him not the human
[18:22] <BobTheWikipedian> :o so homicides must flesh on flesh?
[18:22] <Amqui> lol I guess
[18:22] <The_Blade> Hoping I'm getting near the end of my now month-long effort at article writing; I'm thinking a few more days.
[18:22] <GoofyGirl> my eyes are falling to floor
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[18:23] <Amqui> all depends how you define "act of a human"
[18:23] <BobTheWikipedian> can homicides be unintentional and good-intentional?
[18:23] <Amqui> BobTheWikipedian yes
[18:23] <Amqui> murder is unlawful, homicide not necessarily
[18:23] <BobTheWikipedian> then 32k auto accident homicides is possible
[18:23] <Amqui> yep
[18:23] <Amqui> a murder is a homicide, but not the inverse (according to Wikipedia lol)
[18:23] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl: Night :-)
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[18:23] <BobTheWikipedian> interesting
[18:24] <BobTheWikipedian> nick burkhardt's job just got less interesting
[18:24] <The_Blade> Well, a state execution is considered a homicide but not a murder.
[18:24] <Amqui> I remember I already checked those two articles while chatting here before
[18:24] <Amqui> lol
[18:24] <Amqui> The_Blade yes samething for soldiers at war
[18:24] <Hahc21> WHich articles are you writing?
[18:24] <GoofyGirl2> back
[18:24] <Amqui> reading
[18:24] <GoofyGirl2> :D
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[18:24] <The_Blade> I've gone all in at the article on Genie; get you a link in a moment.
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[18:24] <Dcoetzee> GoofyGirl2: That was a short nap :-P
[18:24] <GoofyGirl> lol
[18:25] <GoofyGirl> if you want I can take a long nap
[18:25] <GoofyGirl> :o
[18:25] <The_Blade> Hahc21;
[18:25] <Hahc21> wow impressive
[18:25] <The_Blade> There are still a few loose ends here and there, but I'm not going to have everything I need to tie them all up until tomorrow; the content is pretty much all there.
[18:26] <Hahc21> I havent written anything substantial since
[18:26] <The_Blade> Neat article there.
[18:26] <Amqui> Hahc21 you going for GA?
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[18:27] <Hahc21> It is a featured list already :P
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[18:27] <Amqui> I mean Genie
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[18:27] <Hahc21> Oh
[18:27] <BobTheWikipedian> ugh. i simply can't focus today. i'll write this cover letter tomorrow i guess.
[18:27] <The_Blade> Amqui; I'm hoping for an FA.
[18:27] <Amqui> ok
[18:27] <BobTheWikipedian> so much for this new adhd medicine
[18:28] <Amqui> I never went for FA yet
[18:28] <Amqui> I wrote 14 GA
[18:28] <The_Blade> I don't have an FA or a GA.
[18:28] <BobTheWikipedian> last time i wrote anything substantial for wikipedia forever ago
[18:28] <Amqui> but now I'm too much over the place
[18:28] <Amqui> I can't even concentrate on a single project
[18:28] <The_Blade> And given my unfamiliarity with FA, I don't have any idea whether I'm even close.
[18:29] <BobTheWikipedian> i have a couple dyks but that's it
[18:29] <Amqui> The_Blade FA > GA
[18:29] <Hahc21> I can help you with it Blade
[18:29] <The_Blade> Yeah, I know, but I'm at least familiar with how GA works.
[18:29] <Hahc21> I have some FAs and GAs on my belt
[18:29] <The_Blade> Your help would be much appreciated.
[18:29] <Hahc21> I will bookmark the article now :)
[18:29] <Amqui> I have 2 GT too, don't know if you have them on en.wp
[18:29] <Amqui> Good Theme
[18:29] <Hahc21> I have 2 Good topics
[18:29] <Amqui> topic
[18:29] <Amqui> ok
�06[18:30] * GoofyGirl take her pets and throw it away
[18:30] <GoofyGirl> :|
[18:30] <Hahc21> hehe
[18:30] <GoofyGirl> :o
�06[18:30] * Hahc21 asks why his owner thre him away
�06[18:30] * GoofyGirl cuddles Hahc21
[18:30] <The_Blade> And don't in any way be afraid to criticize my work; god knows I'm not perfect.
[18:30] <GoofyGirl> because I was anrgy
[18:30] <GoofyGirl> angry*
[18:30] <Amqui>
�06[18:30] * GoofyGirl cuddles Dcoetzee
[18:30] <Amqui> a small town under 2k citizens lol
[18:31] <BobTheWikipedian> hmm. i remember writing articles about hafgufa and lyngbakr back in 2010...
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[18:31] <Hahc21> Okay; I will give it a thorough read this weekend (tomorrow)
[18:31] <GoofyGirl> lol
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[18:32] <The_Blade> Thanks a bunch.  And the talkpage has a couple things I'll be working on over the weekend as well.
[18:32] <BobTheWikipedian> i wrote several paragraphs about acherontisuchus in 2011...
�06[18:32] * GoofyGirl hugs tight Dcoetzee mwaaaaaaahaha
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[18:32] <GoofyGirl> :o
[18:32] <Hahc21> Okay
[18:32] <Amqui> they even laughed about me at the national radio for writing this article lol
[18:32] <GoofyGirl> mwaahaha is a arab kiss
�06[18:32] * Dcoetzee struggles to breathe :-P
�06[18:32] * GoofyGirl Dcoetzee :)
�06[18:33] * Hahc21 cuddles back GoofyGirl
�06[18:33] * GoofyGirl cuddles
[18:33] <Amqui> saying I must have no life :P
[18:33] <GoofyGirl> :o
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[18:33] <BobTheWikipedian> ooo i wrote a stub about northern wood crickets in december
[18:33] <The_Blade> Well, who on Wikipedia does?
[18:34] <Amqui> that's a life like any other imo
[18:34] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: Awesome
[18:34] <BobTheWikipedian> you read it?
[18:34] <Amqui> BobTheWikipedian lol I wrote so many stubs like that
[18:34] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[18:35] <Hahc21> I have written not much stubs
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[18:35] <Hahc21> I try to take all my articles to GA or FA from the beginning
[18:35] <Amqui> lol impossible
[18:35] <Mkdw> Is there an easy way to check what articles an editor has created?
[18:35] <Amqui> for me anyway
[18:35] <BobTheWikipedian> wrote a stub about rebellatrix in may...
[18:35] <Shearonink> sure
[18:35] <Amqui> Mkdw yes
[18:35] <BobTheWikipedian> nice sized stub, actually
[18:35] <Hahc21> Mkdw
[18:35] <Hahc21> Let me find the tool
[18:35] <Hahc21> 1 sec
[18:36] <The_Blade> Hahc21; I'm way better at improving existing articles, though I've created two myself.
[18:36] <Mkdw> The old tool I used expired :/
[18:36] <Amqui> there`s a link in the bottom of the contribution page
[18:36] <Shearonink> Mkdw: Just look at their contributions
[18:36] <Amqui> no need for tool
[18:36] <Hahc21>
[18:36] <The_Blade> Hard to start with nothing.
[18:36] <Amqui> oh yes I guess this is a tool
[18:36] <Amqui>
[18:36] <Hahc21> xD
[18:36] <Mkdw> Wow so handy
[18:36] <Shearonink> at the bottom of the page there should be a  Articles created button
[18:36] <Mkdw> Found it, many thanks!
[18:36] <Amqui> it stops at 100 :(
[18:37] <Mkdw> Oh sweet jeffery I need to improve some articles I created a long time ago...
[18:37] <Mkdw> That's just embarrassing
[18:37] <Shearonink> you mean it stops at 100 articles created?
[18:37] <BobTheWikipedian> in february i wrote that Cebochoerus is an extinct basal artiodactyl.
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[18:37] <Amqui> I created an article about a grain elevator, pretty hard for GA or FA :P
[18:37] <Shearonink> WHAT Bob, it's isn't?
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[18:38] <BobTheWikipedian> since then it is now Cebochoerus is an extinct basal artiodactyl belonging to the superfamily Dichobunoidea.
[18:38] <Shearonink> of course
�06[18:38] * GoofyGirl looking for her pets
[18:38] <Shearonink> I didn't do much paleontology
[18:38] <The_Blade> That's been my problem with GA or FA; the topics I usually work on are so obscure that even though they're obviously notable there just isn't a huge amount to go on.
[18:38] <Amqui> oh there we go, I created 1078 articles on fr.wp
[18:38] <BobTheWikipedian> and i also resurrected the dim effect article and added information about the saber-toothed squirrel
[18:39] <The_Blade> The Genie case is the first article I've done substantial work on that's a major figure in mainstream academia.
[18:39] <Amqui> just add &getall=1 at the end of the url
[18:39] <GoofyGirl> oh
[18:39] <GoofyGirl> oh
[18:39] <GoofyGirl> GOAL
[18:39] <GoofyGirl> :DDDDD
�06[18:39] * GoofyGirl jump
[18:39] <BobTheWikipedian> for germany?
[18:39] <Amqui> 0 on en.wp :(
[18:39] <Amqui> lol
[18:40] <BobTheWikipedian> if it's germany you said it wrong
[18:40] <Amqui> ahaha 2 on es, one is Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
[18:40] <BobTheWikipedian> i won't ask
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[18:41] <Amqui> El misterio de la caca en el urinario
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[18:42] <Amqui> too bad you can't perform a search for all languages
[18:42] <BobTheWikipedian> i don't hablo that
[18:42] <Amqui> in one query
[18:42] <GoofyGirl> Goal
[18:42] <GoofyGirl> 0-0
[18:42] <GoofyGirl> :|
[18:42] <GoofyGirl> >_<
[18:42] <BobTheWikipedian> ?
[18:42] <BobTheWikipedian> 0-0 is not two goals
[18:42] <Amqui> lol
[18:43] <Amqui> in one universe, yes
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[18:43] <BobTheWikipedian> single bit universe, perhaps
[18:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 0-0 = O_o
[18:44] <BobTheWikipedian> no matter how many times you -0 it still = 0
[18:44] <BobTheWikipedian> 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0=0
[18:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
[18:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> probably not if quantum physics is to be believed
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[18:45] <Shearonink> 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0=0
[18:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the entire universe formed out of nothing
[18:45] <BobTheWikipedian> 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1=1    the one's complement
[18:45] <Shearonink> that's what they say
[18:45] <Shearonink> we're mostly dark matter
[18:45] <Amqui> lol
[18:45] <Shearonink> and the human body is mostly nothing
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[18:45] <The_Blade> Hey, that's just a liberal conspiracy!!
[18:46] <The_Blade> :)
[18:46] <Amqui> there the tool you need:
[18:46] <BobTheWikipedian> can it turn my filter wrench?
[18:46] <Shearonink> only if it is nothing too
[18:47] <BobTheWikipedian> then that is not the tool i need
[18:47] <Amqui> if you really have the editcountitis
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[18:47] <GoofyGirl> Good night
[18:47] <GoofyGirl> my friends
[18:47] <BobTheWikipedian> adios
[18:47] <GoofyGirl> :D
[18:47] <GoofyGirl> adiós
[18:47] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[18:47] <GoofyGirl> adiosin
[18:47] <Shearonink> i prefer editqualityitis
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[18:47] <Amqui> buenas noches
[18:48] <BobTheWikipedian> lol one time i said adios to a mexican guy and he smiled real big
[18:48] <Goofy|Asleep> igual
[18:48] <Goofy|Asleep> :D
[18:48] <Amqui> hasta luego
[18:48] <BobTheWikipedian> no wait he was puerto rican
[18:48] <Goofy|Asleep> o.o
[18:48] <Amqui> lol
[18:48] <Goofy|Asleep> loool
[18:48] <Goofy|Asleep> where is Goofygirl
[18:48] <Amqui> dondas es Goofy|Asleep
[18:49] <Goofy|Asleep> miralo
[18:49] <Goofy|Asleep> miralo
[18:49] <Goofy|Asleep> XD
[18:49] <Amqui> not much spanish around here
[18:49] <Amqui> more germans
[18:49] <Goofy|Asleep> bue
[18:49] <Goofy|Asleep> bye
[18:49] <BobTheWikipedian> ja?
[18:49] <Amqui> yep
[18:49] <Amqui> but they don't go out much
[18:49] <BobTheWikipedian> ich sehe
[18:50] <Shearonink> I wish the 'Are you the 1701' viral would start
[18:50] <Amqui> you only see them at the grocery store, that's it
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[18:51] <BobTheWikipedian> ich spiele heute dota...
�06[18:52] * BobTheWikipedian finds the lyrics
[18:52] <BobTheWikipedian> :o
[18:52] <Amqui> they live in colonies
[18:52] <BobTheWikipedian> not german
[18:52] <Bradford> O_o
[18:52] <BobTheWikipedian> och spelar lite dota
[18:53] <BobTheWikipedian> :o
[18:53] <BobTheWikipedian> i was close
[18:53] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm gonna make a german version now for those germans that don't know norwegian
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[18:59] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmm the german version isn't making sense
[19:01] <BobTheWikipedian> wir sied er hat rewinden ich spiele heute dota ah buscher bei ein schmecker mit vorstandet wir lecker
[19:02] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah... meaningless
[19:02] <The_Blade> Hahc21; I should also warn you, wait to read the Genie article until you're not in a good mood.  It's a fascinating subject, but in no way a fun read.
[19:03] <Hahc21> Oh
[19:03] <Hahc21> Okay
[19:03] <BobTheWikipedian> that's like taking a depressant when you're down, isn't it?
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[19:05] <The_Blade> I'd rather do that than burst someone's bubble when they're happy.
[19:05] <Hahc21> Oh
[19:05] <BobTheWikipedian> what if he has clinical depression?
[19:05] <Hahc21> I read the lead
[19:05] <Hahc21> wow
�06[19:05] * The_Blade says this, of course, having added several thousand bytes of text to the article on both Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
[19:06] <Hahc21> I was very sad those days
[19:06] <The_Blade> The lede is mostly intact from when I started the article; I decided if I was going to rework it, I'd do it /after/ I got the rest of the article written.
[19:06] <Hahc21> Good choice
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[19:06] <BobTheWikipedian> on that note, i will go watch a movie
[19:06] <BobTheWikipedian> adios
[19:06] <The_Blade> *started /editing/ the article; it's existed since 2005.
[19:06] <Swob> bye
[19:06] <The_Blade> Bye
[19:06] <Swob> nice seeing you Bob
[19:06] <Swob> you havent been around in a while
[19:07] <BobTheWikipedian> haha you didn't speak until now
[19:07] <Swob> last time I saw you you were going to work at Clorox
[19:07] <BobTheWikipedian> lol i forgot about that application
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[19:07] <BobTheWikipedian> i am now applying to work for the local school system as a librarian
[19:07] <Swob> ok
[19:07] <Swob> good luck
[19:08] <BobTheWikipedian> thanks
[19:08] <The_Blade> I second that.
[19:08] <BobTheWikipedian> it's been a rough career
[19:09] <BobTheWikipedian> 6 jobs in the last two years
[19:09] <Hahc21> omg
[19:09] <BobTheWikipedian> i feel like applying for jobs is what i do for a living
[19:09] <Hahc21> this is a very sad topic
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[19:09] <Swob> you used to work for Wikimedia Foundation, right? Not as a full time, it was some sort of a coordinator position?
[19:10] <BobTheWikipedian> online communications
[19:10] <The_Blade> When I started working on it, I posted a very prominent message on my talkpage telling people to leave me alone; there's no way I could write about that and deal with Wiki-business.
[19:10] <BobTheWikipedian> for the wep
[19:10] <Hahc21> Indeed
[19:10] <Hahc21> To be able to do that, you have to isolate yourself
[19:10] <BobTheWikipedian> which i did
[19:11] <BobTheWikipedian> oh you mean blade lol
[19:11] <The_Blade> The NOVA documentary on the subject is available on YouTube; I didn't cry watching it, but several times I felt physically sick.
[19:11] <The_Blade> Yeah, sorry Bob; interesting what IRC conversations can do.
[19:11] <BobTheWikipedian> haha indeed
[19:11] <BobTheWikipedian> the funny thing about irc is everyone thinks everyone is talking to them
[19:11] <Hahc21> Omg her father was crazy
[19:12] <The_Blade> His suicide note summed it up probably as well as anything; I kinda hope there's a hell so that he can be tortured in it.
[19:13] <BobTheWikipedian> [System message: You have been disconnected. An automatic attempt to reconnect will be made in 15 seconds.]
[19:13] <Hahc21> Me too
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[19:14] <BobTheWikipedian> well that prank failed. :P
[19:14] <The_Blade> Actually, that's one thing I need to fix; he wrote a separate suicide note for his son, I just need to find the book which had it again.
[19:14] <The_Blade> BobTheWikipedian; you actually got me for a second, if it's any consolation.
[19:14] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
[19:15] <Swob> you can sometimes trick people by changing your nick to "Disconnected"
[19:15] <Swob> and then doing this:
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[19:15] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
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[19:15] <Swob> mIRC, at least, formats the "system message" and "channel /me action" lines the same unless you tell it not to
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[19:16] <Swob> it works better on channels that dont have the +n mode set
[19:16] <Vacation9> fox_wilson: Hello there
[19:16] <Swob> on Freenode almost every channel is +n though
[19:16] <fox_wilson> Vacation9: hello
[19:17] <BobTheWikipedian> anyway good seein ya soap
[19:17] <Swob> see you
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[19:19] <Hahc21> This article is very interesting
[19:20] <Hahc21> Maybe Mark Arsten can help us with a very good copyedit after it's finished
[19:20] <Hahc21> He wrote the "Lynching of Jesse Washington" article
[19:20] <Hahc21> which is FA
[19:20] <Hahc21> So he knows how to present this type of articles...
�06[19:21] * The_Blade files that away in his memory...
[19:21] <Hahc21> He has copyedited all my FAs
[19:21] <Hahc21> And all of them has passed
[19:21] <Hahc21> :)
[19:21] <The_Blade> An auspicious sign.
[19:22] <The_Blade> We're trying to figure out how to add a bit more background on her family situation, and I know I need to add somewhere the resurgence in interest after the Joseph Fritzl case....
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[19:22] <The_Blade> And the last thread on the talkpage has the rest of what we still need.
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[19:23] <The_Blade> The biggest problem is the image issue; the AAAS has copyright on /everything/, and we already have one fair-use image, so we're trying to figure out if we can use a second.
[19:23] <Hahc21> I am reading early life
[19:23] <Hahc21> now
[19:23] <Hahc21> "Characteristics and personality" section
[19:24] <Hahc21> It seems very comprehensive
[19:24] <Hahc21> And the prose has not much issues, but some sentences and words would need a little rewording for GA
[19:24] <Hahc21> :)
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[19:25] <The_Blade> Yeah, I know I've needed to deal with that.
[19:25] <The_Blade> I've never been criticized for being too pithy.
[19:25] <Hahc21> And I guess you'd never be
[19:25] <Hahc21> :)
[19:26] <The_Blade> Indeed.
[19:26] <The_Blade> Although admittedly, part of the problem is not being able to name certain people and part of is inherent in writing about linguistics; sometimes there's just not a better way to word some concepts.
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[19:28] <Hahc21> I see
[19:28] <Hahc21> We are missing some names and I believe that it is because you were unable to find them
[19:28] <Hahc21> Which is reasonable
[19:30] <Hahc21> youcan take a look at the article I mentioned to you
[19:30] <Hahc21>
[19:31] <The_Blade> The names of Genie and her relatives are deliberately withheld; that was the consensus on the talkpage years before I got there, and I've gone to considerable lengths to keep them scrubbed.
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[19:32] <The_Blade> I'm the absolute last person to cite "do no harm" for anything, but this case is probably the most obvious instance where it applies.
�06[19:32] * The_Blade now goes to look at the above-linked article...
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[19:33] <Hahc21> Oh
[19:33] <Hahc21> That explains the situation
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[19:33] <The_Blade> I think I fixed the most egregious issue with the Characteristics and personality section; I can't say I remember writing it exactly that way, but it probably was me.
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[19:34] <The_Blade> Genie's name isn't /impossible/ to find if you know how to look for it, but it's still very difficult; I learned it only so I'd notice and be able to remove it if people were trying to post it.
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[19:35] <Hahc21> Okay
[19:35] <Hahc21> I see that it is done for protection
[19:36] <The_Blade> And I had to redact a /ton/ of stuff in the talkpage archive because some asshole decided to link his personal genealogy website containing her name about 1000 times.
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[19:37] <Hahc21> damn :S
[19:37] <Hahc21> I am pretty impressed
[19:37] <Hahc21> You have edited that page so much times
[19:37] <Hahc21> 562 times
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[19:38] <The_Blade> I wish I didn't have to use up so many revisions, but I can only use what I have in front of me and I'd rather add things as I go.
[19:39] <Hahc21> I understand
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[19:39] <Hahc21> I had a long time without seeing this kind of commitment to an article
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�06[19:40] * The_Blade looks and suddenly realizes he's added 1000 bytes of text per day every day since December 21st, and did so on December 19th as well...
[19:40] <Hahc21> Yes
[19:40] <Hahc21> This kind of thinges are the ones who make me realize why I do stay on Wikipedia :)
[19:41] <The_Blade> I know the article is somewhat long, but I think that's justified by the fact that it's a biography and a case study rolled into one, and there's no way to split one from the other.
[19:41] <The_Blade> I'm not known for my inspirational abilities, but I'm glad to hear I'm a positive influence.
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[19:42] <Hahc21> I was just struggling to find any reason to stay severla days ago
[19:42] <Hahc21> I was feeling very depressed because of an editing restriction that was enacted on me in November because a mistake i did
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[19:43] <The_Blade> I vaguely remember that situation; IIRC, i thought it was serious overkill.
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[19:43] <Hahc21> Did you see the thread at ANI?
[19:46] <The_Blade> Yeah.
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[19:47] <Hahc21> I was thinking about requesting it to be lifted, but I don't want to go through ANI again...
[19:47] <Hahc21> I fear that something worse could happen
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[19:48] <The_Blade> It usually helps if you go 3-6 months completely problem-free and can explain what you'll do differently; the community can be very forgiving.
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[19:49] <Hahc21> Three months have almost passed
[19:49] <Hahc21> And I have been free from problems my whole wikicareer apart from that issue
[19:49] <Vacation9> Happy SOPA day everybody :)
[19:49] <The_Blade> That'll work in your favor.
[19:49] <Hahc21> Which was an early NAC "keep" close which was later closed as keep by an admin
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[19:50] <Hahc21> And the user who thre me at ANI went and defied the admin's close and was later blocked by Dennis Brown :/
[19:50] <Vacation9> ANI discussion can get hot... I try to stay out of the intense stuff
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[19:50] <Hahc21> I just go at ANI sometimes
[19:51] <Hahc21> To give some help
[19:51] <Hahc21> But not much
[19:51] <The_Blade> Most admins say they're not willing to deal with the drama; I get bored if I'm *not* handling some thorny issue.
[19:51] <dewercs> :)
[19:51] <Vacation9> True, true...
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[19:51] <Hahc21> My work as a mediator on the Spanish Wikipedia takes a lot of time
[19:51] <Dcoetzee> I just avoid ANI altogether, but not because I'm drama averse. I'm actually really patient.
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[19:51] <Dcoetzee> It's more just that it's usually issues that don't seem very interesting.
[19:51] <The_Blade> Same thing with my article editing; I have to be /enthralled/ to sit and edit it.  All the articles I've added a meaningful amount to are subjects I truly care about and have an intense interest in.
[19:51] <Hahc21> I was just shocked by the Gimmetoo isue
[19:52] <Hahc21> I agree, I can't edit an article unless I have a connection with the topic
[19:52] <Hahc21> substantially edit*
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[19:52] <Dcoetzee> I think 90% of ANI discussions can be summed up as "Person A is being an idiot and violating some policy. Person B is being an idiot and fighting with them. Everybody loses."
[19:53] <Vacation9> Words_of_wisdom
[19:53] <The_Blade> I'm thinking of writing an essay on how to edit topics you're emotionally attached to; different from COI editing.
[19:53] <Vacation9> The_Blade: Good idea, we need something like that
[19:53] <The_Blade> Dcoetzee; yeah that's about it, the problem is that someone has to deal with it.
[19:53] <Hahc21> That will be good
[19:53] <Hahc21> Emotion makes you write pmpressive pieces of work
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[19:54] <Hahc21> For example
[19:54] <Dcoetzee> The_Blade: I agree, but it's hard to get motivated about. It's like being the judge of a small claims court.
[19:54] <Hahc21> This game
[19:54] <Hahc21>
[19:54] <Hahc21> Is the best game I have ever plaed
[19:54] <Hahc21> And it became a part of my life
[19:54] <Dcoetzee> You know the disputes are legitimate to someone, but also that they're petty and your decisions will never influence anything.
[19:54] <Dcoetzee> Maybe I'm a bit jaded :-P
[19:54] <The_Blade> That's why I do AE; there the disputes can /really/ have some impact on things.
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[19:54] <Dcoetzee> AE?
[19:54] <The_Blade> And they tend to involve very interesting subjects content-wise too.
[19:55] <Hahc21> Arbitration Enforcement
[19:55] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: I know. Also, most of the time the ANI reporters are also violating policy
[19:55] <Dcoetzee> Ahhh I see
[19:55] <Pink|Television> If an admin could deal with this quietly, it'd probably be for the best
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[19:55] <Hahc21> I am closer to you now Blade :P
[19:55] <The_Blade> Pink; I'll hit it.
[19:55] <Pink|Television> thanks :)
[19:55] <The_Blade> Doesn't meet any CSD criteria, but has exactly zero business on Wikipedia.
[19:55] <Vacation9> It might be G3
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[19:55] <Hahc21> I see it as a promo
[19:56] <Dcoetzee> I'm sorry but that's better going to AfD
[19:56] <Dcoetzee> I think a clear deletion precedent would be useful
[19:56] <Swob> yeah
[19:56] <Swob> it's an essay
[19:56] <Dcoetzee> I will nom it however
[19:56] <PinkAmpersand> Oh. ok. I was thinking I'd go with G3. More that I don't wanna cross some Truther notjob
[19:56] <Swob> 100% OR
[19:56] <Vacation9> oh well The Blade took care of it
[19:56] <Hahc21> It is OR
[19:56] <Swob> oh you changed your name
[19:56] <Swob> cool
[19:56] <Hahc21> And fall under the deletion policy
[19:56] <The_Blade> I almost put in my summary "Please post this at TinfoilhatWiki"
[19:56] <Hahc21> falls*
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[19:56] <PinkAmpersand> *nutjob
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[19:56] <Vacation9> 22:56, 18 January 2013 The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk | contribs) deleted page Targeted Individuals (Not an article)
[19:57] <Swob> wow
[19:57] <Dcoetzee> As long as he's not brutalising the CSD he can do all the out of process deletions he wants as far as I care:-P
[19:57] <Hahc21> #Fast
[19:57] <Vacation9> #TheBlade2013
[19:57] <Swob> #BladeGoesRouge
[19:58] <PinkAmpersand> I think politically sensitive stuff like that is best handled with as little drama as possible. Only reason I went IRCabal on this one.
[19:58] <Amqui>
[19:58] <Dcoetzee> I personally think stuff like this is best handled by an AfD decision that says "never make anything like this again or we will cut you" :-P
[19:58] <legoktm> '''Oppose''' spelled IRC cabal wrong. ~~~~
[19:58] <PinkAmpersand> :)
[19:58] <Hahc21> Hello Legoktm :)
[19:59] <legoktm> o/
[19:59] <Hahc21> Nice to see you
[19:59] <Dcoetzee> As it is it'll probably just get recreated
[19:59] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: I'm sure as a San Francisco hippie you can understand my personal grudge against people who give liberals a bad name.
[19:59] <Hahc21> If it is, we can take it to AFD
[19:59] <Vacation9> there doesn't need to be an AfD to salt
[19:59] <The_Blade> On that note, I now have to go watch Charlie Rose; hopefully I'll be back in around an hour.
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[19:59] <legoktm> there's enough salt on my sidewalk if needed >.>
[20:00] <Hahc21> Lol
[20:00] <Vacation9> #Nerd
[20:00] <Dcoetzee> Salting an article that never met any CSD would be very very unusual :-P
[20:00] <Vacation9> Well, you could argue G3 blatant hoax
[20:00] <Dcoetzee> No you couldn't. That's absurd.
[20:00] <Vacation9> but I agree it isn't OBVIOUS
[20:00] <legoktm> Or you just argue IAR.
[20:00] <PinkAmpersand> Let the deletion be a shot over the bow. Since it was out of process the guy can raise hell if he wants, but he'll only be delaying the inevitable NOTHERE block
[20:00] <Dcoetzee> I think there might even be a legitimate article on this topic, if the popular idea were discussed from an NPOV
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[20:01] <Hahc21> I don't believe such an idea to be discussed
[20:01] <Dcoetzee> Like "some crazy people think there is such a thing as Targeted Individuals and here are some shows where crazy people talked about it"
[20:01] <Hahc21> But that's my PO
[20:01] <Vacation9> Yes, I'd agree with an AFD in case of recreation
[20:01] <PinkAmpersand> well let's see how he plays it. that's always my philosophy with trolls.
[20:02] <PinkAmpersand> Vacation9: yeah. and that will get us a nice SNOW precedent to request salting if necessary
[20:02] <Dcoetzee> Yes exactly :-)
[20:02] <Dcoetzee> Need SNOW before you can apply SALT
[20:02] <Vacation9> Never realized that
[20:02] <Vacation9> :D
[20:03] <Dcoetzee> (the one chatroom in the universe where people get that joke)
[20:03] <PinkAmpersand> but this is why rouge admins are good. a little badass unilateral action avoids endless AFDs on utterly contemptible articles
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[20:03] <Vacation9> But if you know it's coming, you can apply SALT before SNOW so you don't need to deal with it after.
[20:03] <TParis> Dcoetzee: Your a sysop, right?
[20:03] <Dcoetzee> Yep
[20:03] <legoktm> Dcoetzee: lol that was funny.
[20:03] <TParis> k - night folks
[20:03] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: wow. is there an essay on that? i don't know if i'd agree with it, but it's too catchy not to write
[20:03] <starbuc> the problem is that "politically sensitive stuff like that" isn't always cut-and-dried. Who would believe the COINTELPRO stories if someone tried to include them with popular press sourcing?
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[20:04] <Dcoetzee> I think unilateral action is fine in cases where even a rewrite would be utterly hopeless
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[20:04] <Dcoetzee> Like say an article that is an essay comparing Fords to Hitler
[20:05] <PinkAmpersand> I have no problem confessing to a bias on this one. When people invoke 9/11 for their conspiracy theories, I see red.
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[20:05] <Vacation9> Yes, this is a sensitive topic
[20:05] <Dcoetzee> PinkAmpersand: To be fair we have an article on the 9/11 truther conspiracy theories
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[20:05] <GabrielF> a number of years ago I AfD'd about 50 9/11 truth related articles
[20:05] <Dcoetzee> Obviously not written as though those theories were true
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[20:06] <PinkAmpersand> a neutral, well-sourced one under severe arbcom sanctions
[20:06] <Dcoetzee> I'm just reluctant to zap any article that could potentially grow into a neutral well sourced article about the hoax
[20:06] <GabrielF> I got into a lot of trouble for this:
[20:07] <Hahc21> Damn
[20:07] <Hahc21> Comspiracy Noticeboard?
[20:07] <PinkAmpersand> but, yeah, if someone can get an article on this to pass WP:42, then I'm all for it
[20:07] <GabrielF> noticeboard was a poor choice of words
[20:07] <Dcoetzee> 42?
[20:07] <Hahc21> Interesting, though
[20:07] <Dcoetzee> Oh right
[20:08] <Dcoetzee> The only reason I was leaning towards "possible rewrite" in this case was because the article mentioned an episode of some TV show was about the topic
[20:08] <PinkAmpersand> speaking of which, gotta love a sense of humor
[20:08] <Dcoetzee> Which is, um, a possible independent source at least
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[20:08] <Hahc21> Still talking about the deleted article?
[20:08] <Hahc21> :)
[20:08] <Dcoetzee> Wooo Wikidata
[20:09] <PinkAmpersand> Q2012 is arguably better, actually
[20:09] <PinkAmpersand> (Mayan calendar)
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[20:10] <Dcoetzee> Incidentally, watching my bot edit song articles, I start to question how much the flat namespace of Wikipedia makes sense
[20:10] <Dcoetzee> Like should [[Flowing]] really be about a song by 311?
[20:10] <Dcoetzee> When I found it it didn't even have a hatnote for any physical concept
[20:10] <PinkAmpersand> ouch
[20:11] <GabrielF> this brings back memories:
[20:12] <legoktm>
[20:12] <Dcoetzee> Ha
[20:12] <legoktm> oh and
[20:12] <Dcoetzee> A list with a name like that can only be a giant troll magnet
[20:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I heard commons decided to make me the ultimate master
[20:12] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Huh?
[20:12] <PinkAmpersand> GabrielF: look up the book "9/11 Deception" if you want a good laugh
[20:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> then I woke up from the nightmare
[20:13] <Dcoetzee> Master?
[20:13] <GabrielF> IIRC ncluded everything from the assassination of Julius Caesar
[20:13] <GabrielF>  
[20:13] <GabrielF> ugh
[20:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee isnt this horible story telling? where you make the entire plot a dream?
[20:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so why does holywood do it?
[20:13] <GabrielF> the list of proven conspiracies included everything from the assassination of Julius Caesar to the present day
[20:13] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: TropesAreNotBad
[20:13] <Dcoetzee>
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[20:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF I thought Julis Caesar was actually not killed but ejected and he started a fast food chain
[20:14] <GabrielF> Little Caesars?
[20:15] <Dcoetzee> That's not true it was actually started by his immortal son who was frozen by aliens to protect him from Augustus
[20:15] <Swob> lol
[20:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GabrielF exactly!
[20:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he is buying back the world one little caesar at a time
[20:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if only he ruled rome with that chain rather than with an iron fist
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[20:16] <PinkAmpersand> legoktm: {{Talkback}}
[20:16] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: It can be no coincidence that the pizza came out of Italy
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[20:17] <Dcoetzee> It was all part of his grand plan
[20:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee you are catching on!
[20:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
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[20:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Anime sorted last
[20:17] <Dcoetzee> Heh
[20:17] <Dcoetzee> I've never seen Zoobles
[20:18] <Dcoetzee> It looks extremely pink
[20:18] <Dcoetzee> But hey I like MLP, maybe it'd be good
[20:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> <- most unfortunately named company?
[20:19] <Dcoetzee> I think it's pronounced "deek" :-P
[20:19] <PinkAmpersand> ToAruShiroiNeko: that would be the Royal Bank of Scotland's infamous
[20:19] <Dcoetzee> Don't forget (the domain name for Pen Island)
[20:20] <PinkAmpersand> no, scratch that, was worse
[20:20] <Swob> "Mole Station Nursery"
[20:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee tell that to the girl stating the logo
[20:20] <Swob> they finally changed their name after they realized the jokes were never going to stop
[20:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Diffusion, Information et Communication
[20:20] <Dcoetzee>
[20:20] <Dcoetzee> There's a trope for this too
[20:21] <Swob> yeah theres like 50 of them
[20:21] <PinkAmpersand> [[Who put the cunt in Scunthorpe]]
[20:24] <Dcoetzee> "" is a fun one
[20:24] <Dcoetzee> It's actually a law firm, Ferreth and Jobs
[20:24] <PinkAmpersand> I won't go into details, lest I make stalking me any easier than it already is, but suffice it to say I had a teacher whose school website contained the full string "orgasmic". no joke.
[20:24] <PinkAmpersand> (with a few punctuation marks in the middle)
[20:25] <Dcoetzee> I'm pretty sure this is actually a joke site since they sell T shirts of their domain name
[20:26] <D_> I feel like there should be somewhere on the Internet where you could look up if they're legit or not
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[20:26] <D_> but unfortunately, with things like this googling them will just give you 200 webpages saying "haha guys look this is funny"
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[20:27] <Dcoetzee> Yup the problem with Google
[20:27] <D_> It's like trying to research the origin of a widely reposted image or photo
[20:27] <D_> It might as well not have one past a certain point
[20:27] <Dcoetzee> D_: To be fair Know Your Meme does exactly that sort of thing pretty successfully
[20:28] <Dcoetzee> But they seem to do it by word of mouth more than by Google power
[20:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee dont you love it when I come in and blow away the annoying topic?
[20:28] <Dcoetzee> I almost never look at the topic :-P
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[20:29] <GabrielF> sadly the kickstarter project to introduce a tail that you wear that wags when you get excited did not meet its funding goal:
[20:29] <PinkAmpersand> From TVTropes: "The Avengers is rated PG-13, but the amount of language is pretty light. And then Loki, baiting Natasha, calls her a "mewling quim", a rather archaic term pretty much equivalent to Country Matters." <- I thought I was the only one who got that!
[20:30] <Dcoetzee> PinkAmpersand: Yup :-) GettingCrapPastTheRadar through archaisms
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[20:30] <PinkAmpersand> Gregory Fucking Chaucer
[20:30] <Dcoetzee> GabrielF: Awww I liked that one. I thought there would be enough furries to get it off the ground
[20:30] <GabrielF> they already have tail buttplugs
[20:30] <PinkAmpersand> "and then he went and grabbed her by the quim. He threw himself upon her with all his might. It was her merriest fit in all her life."
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[20:31] <D_> Now we have to wait until medical science is a at a point where they can vat grow them and transplant them on people
[20:31] <PinkAmpersand> ^managed to quote that in an essay in 9th grade
[20:31] <Dcoetzee> You can bet when body mod reaches that point some people will want fur and tails and whatnot
[20:32] <PinkAmpersand> anyone here watch Justified?
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[20:33] <D_> Hm
[20:33] <LtNOWIS-mobile> No
[20:33] <D_> I watched it until the end of season 2
[20:33] <D_> and apparently totally forgot about it after that
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[20:34] <PinkAmpersand> Aww. Well, at the start of this season one of the hookers got high and unloaded a revolver into a john dressed as a bear. 'Nuff said.
[20:35] <GabrielF> do they have to dry clean those fur suits or are they machine washable?
[20:35] <D_> They just bathe in them
[20:36] <GabrielF> I was afraid that might be the answer
[20:36] <Amqui>
[20:36] <D_> Well, I assume it is
[20:36] <D_> As a way of assuming the worst
[20:37] <GabrielF> well the worst would be that they don't even attempt to clean them
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[20:41] <Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee, The_Blade: - needs attention
[20:41] <Jasper_Deng> Swob ^
[20:42] <Amqui> I gave it attention
[20:42] <Jasper_Deng> not the kind I wanted
[20:42] <Amqui> oh
[20:42] <PinkAmpersand> legoktm: Really slow day reviewing-wise, or Legobot on the fritz? (re #wikipedia-en-pc)
[20:43] <Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: I can't relaly tell what's going on there
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[20:43] <legoktm> PinkAmpersand: ill check
[20:44] <Jasper_Deng_away> Dcoetzee: mass troll attack
[20:44] <Jasper_Deng_away> though another admin's on it it seems
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[20:45] <legoktm> PinkAmpersand: oh it got stuck. restarting
[20:45] <PinkAmpersand> Jasper_Deng_away: I've seen that troll before. Such an odd thing to always say.
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[20:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee so why often do you talk here :)
[20:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> commons too dead for you :p
[20:46] <Dcoetzee> Pretty much
[20:46] <Dcoetzee> Commons is a damn ghost town
[20:46] <Dcoetzee> We have like one active forum and you're lucky to get a reply there
[20:46] <Dcoetzee> IRC not much better
[20:46] <PinkAmpersand> oh, also, Jasper_Deng_away, I stupidly used the {{Delete}} template on this instead of just RFDing the right way. Mind taking a look?
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[20:49] <D_> As long as it's not to prove a point you're within the letter of the guideline
[20:50] <PinkAmpersand> Huntley: Seems Jasper's away. You haven't gotten yourself desysopped on WIkidata yet, right? ;)
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[20:51] <Dcoetzee> Wikidata has sysops already?
[20:52] <Dcoetzee> I thought they were still only importing translations, what is there to do?
[20:52] <PinkAmpersand> yeah. there's intermittent talk of crats
[20:52] <D_> They're live on Hungarian wikipedia
[20:52] <PinkAmpersand> delete duplicates, the occasional spambot block
[20:52] <D_> presumably they don't want every article interwikied to en:Penis
[20:52] <Dcoetzee> I guess :-P
[20:52] <PinkAmpersand> semi-protect the main page ;)
[20:52] <Addshore-W> lol
[20:52] <wctaiwan> sounds like great fun :)
[20:53] <wctaiwan> PinkAmpersand: that's quite a fashionable nickname you got there.
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[20:53] <wctaiwan> hey sigma.
[20:53] <D_> Disappointingly, wikidata isn't even on the first page of my google results yet
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[20:53] <PinkAmpersand> figure I'll run on WIkidata in a month or so. Just because I can never seem to track an admin down when I need one.
[20:54] <PinkAmpersand> wctaiwan: thanks! old one was too long :P
[20:54] <Dcoetzee> I like Wikidata but until they actually open it up to interesting tables beyond translations I wouldn't be able to do much there...
[20:54] <Dcoetzee> They already have bots for that stuff too
[20:54] <D_> Well, there's the short descriptions to add
[20:54] <D_> which generally require a human
[20:54] <D_> as they're meant to disambiguate
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[20:55] <PinkAmpersand> it's fairly interesting if you want something simple and peaceful. also, the bots can't add descriptions or anything, or even learn to put some stuff in lowercase, so there's a lot of stuff needing human attention
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[20:55] <Dcoetzee> I'ma wait for it to open up :-P
[20:56] <PinkAmpersand> speaking of which, legoktm, you never told me if you'd be interested in writing a lowercase bot for wikidata
[20:56] <legoktm> I can, but I'm rather busy right now
[20:56] <legoktm> Talk to me in an hour or something
[20:56] <PinkAmpersand> Dcoetzee: Yeah. well you're already an admin here, so you don't need to build up much credibility there to get sysopped.
[20:56] <PinkAmpersand> legoktm:  will do
[20:57] <Dcoetzee> I ain't no hat collector. There's nothing to *do* there. :-P
[20:57] <PinkAmpersand> my point is it'll be there for you whenever you want it :P
[20:57] <Dcoetzee> Okay :-)
[20:57] <Dcoetzee> New news story: "How vandals are destroying Wikipedia from the inside"
[20:57] <Dcoetzee> (seriously)
[20:58] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: lol
[21:00] <PinkAmpersand> haha Stephen Glass. I have a salad bowl he bought.
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[21:00] <Dcoetzee> Someone explain t me why this article is assaulting Legolas2186? Did he have an Arbcom case or something?
[21:01] <Dcoetzee> Ah there it is
[21:01] <Dcoetzee> Blocked upon review of outstanding claims of fabrication of sources and quotes
[21:01] <SigmaWP> Ah
[21:02] <Swob> people who name themselves after elves seem to end up getting blocked sooner or later
[21:02] <wctaiwan> strange observation, that.
[21:02] <PinkAmpersand> well, at least their reference to Glass acknowledged that it wasn't my dad's fault
[21:03] <Dcoetzee> And he was on ANI too
[21:03] <PinkAmpersand> "And like Stephen Glass, The New Republic reporter who slipped pure fiction past his editors by falsifying his notes, it's easier to corrupt the system when you know it from the inside."
[21:04] <Dcoetzee> Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive780#False_references_and_BLP_misquotes:_block_user_as_hoaxer.3F
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[21:05] <Dcoetzee> Okay done digging up links for the Signpost, I'll see what they do with it
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[21:06] <Dcoetzee> Hyperbolic headlines are always entertaining :-P
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[21:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how can a headline be shaped like a hyperbola?
[21:07] <Dcoetzee> Hyperbolic = adj form of both hyperbole and hyperbola
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[21:07] <wctaiwan> English is silly like that.
[21:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee semantics...
[21:07] <wctaiwan> "Boeing’s Dreamliner batteries “inherently unsafe”—and yours may be too"
[21:08] <wctaiwan> ^ example of a hyperbolic headline
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[21:08] <Dcoetzee> Yup :-P
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[21:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but wouldnt it be awesome if the hyperbolic headline was shaped like a hyperbola?
[21:08] <Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Sure we could use more curvy headlines :-P
[21:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> <3
[21:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mathgasm!
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[21:09] <Dcoetzee> Wooo LyricsBot approaching 1000 edits
[21:09] <Dcoetzee> You can do it!
[21:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not over 9000
[21:10] <wctaiwan> what does that do?
[21:10] <wctaiwan> speaking of hyperboles, I'm still waiting for to come back :(
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[21:10] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: At the moment just links articles on songs to a site that (legally) hosts lyrics for them.
[21:10] <wctaiwan> ah.
[21:11] <Dcoetzee> This was my response to all of the people in the AFT5 feedback whining that we don't have lyrics
[21:11] <ihaveamac> I found some test TLDs
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[21:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee at least its not ATF
[21:11] <Amqui> when do you know you are wikipediholic?
[21:12] <Dcoetzee> Amqui: When you refresh your watchlist for the third time and still nothing has changed?
[21:12] <Amqui> done XD
[21:12] <Dcoetzee> ;-)
[21:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ATF is Anime Transformers Funimation right?
[21:12] <Amqui> in four different projects at a time
[21:12] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee happens to me quite a lot :(
[21:12] <Dcoetzee> Nicely done :-P I hope you were at least using refresh all tabs
[21:13] <wctaiwan> if you're here, you're probably already beyond help, wikipediholic-wise.
[21:13] <wctaiwan> just sayin'.
[21:13] <Amqui> is it worst if I refresh the Recent changes of the whole project and nothing changes?
[21:13] <Vacation9> wctaiwan: sadly.
[21:13] <Dcoetzee> Amqui: Yes :-P Although on En that ought to be impossible
[21:13] <Amqui> oh barely checking my watchlist on en
[21:13] <Amqui> enough ppl to take care of it
[21:13] <Dcoetzee> Amqui: What browser do you use?
[21:13] <Amqui> Chrome
[21:13] <Amqui> why?
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> Amqui:
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> errr
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> Wrong link
[21:14] <Dcoetzee>
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> Reload All Tabs extension :-)
[21:14] <Amqui> what?
[21:14] <Amqui> refresh you mean?
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> Yup
[21:14] <Amqui> lol
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> Just CTRL+SHIFT+R
[21:14] <Amqui> so you are wikiholic too :P
[21:14] <Dcoetzee> ;-)
[21:15] <Amqui> we should create a support group where we sit around and talk about our dependance
[21:15] <ihaveamac> someone asked me to delete an image if I'm an admin
[21:15] <ihaveamac> can an actual admin take a look?
[21:15] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Sure
[21:15] <ihaveamac>
[21:16] <Dcoetzee> ihaveamac: Tell them to replace it in the article with their new image. Then this image will automatically be deleted as orphaned after 7 days.
[21:16] <Dcoetzee> (or possibly less)
[21:17] <ihaveamac> "If you want, you can remove it from the article it's on, or replace it with a new image you want to upload. After the current image [[:File:Alibabavum 40 Thirudargalum Audio.jpg]] is not used for 7 days, it will be deleted. ~~~~"
[21:17] <ihaveamac> that?
[21:17] <Dcoetzee> Sounds good
[21:17] <Pharos> Dcoetzee: do you know about free online legal databases?
[21:18] <Dcoetzee> Pharos: Not a damn thing sorry :-)
[21:18] <Pharos> ok, thx :P
[21:18] <ihaveamac> also, I found a site that ICANN was testing with
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[21:18] <ihaveamac> http://xn--hxajbheg2az3al.xn--jxalpdlp/
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[21:19] <wolfgang42> How'd you find *that*?
[21:19] <ihaveamac> Wikipedia
[21:19] <ihaveamac>
[21:19] <Jasper_Deng> PinkAmpersand: deleted, and user blocked
[21:19] <ihaveamac> we've seen .com, .net, .org, .tk, but .xn--kgbechtv ?
[21:19] <Dcoetzee> Arggggh I can't figure out if this website is copyvio or not
[21:20] <wctaiwan> Jasper_Deng: ever going to run for sysop?
[21:20] <ihaveamac> Dcoetzee: the site itself or if the text of the site is copyrighted and it's used somewhere on wikipedia?
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[21:20] <Vacation9> if an article copies the website then yes I think
[21:20] <Vacation9> it says Written by Dewey Bunnell, ©1971
[21:20] <Dcoetzee> No that's not what I mean
[21:21] <Dcoetzee> I'm trying to figure out if the site is using that content without a license
[21:21] <PinkAmpersand> Jasper_Deng: thanks :) that Wikidata's, what, 15th block to date?
[21:21] <Jasper_Deng> actually like its 40th
[21:21] <Dcoetzee> In which case it shouldn't be linked to
[21:21] <Amqui> Dcoetzee I`ve just created three articles about inhabited islands, I'm not that bad yet...
[21:21] <wolfgang42> ihaveamac: It makes a lot more sense as δοκιμή.
[21:21] <PinkAmpersand> oh :P
[21:21] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: It says it's copyrighted by the author, seems legit
[21:21] <Amqui> unhabited*
[21:22] <Dcoetzee> Vacation9: Maybe... but says it is the "America Fans web site"
[21:22] <PinkAmpersand> blocked for what, btw? did he do something after creating the username or something? or did i just miss something in the content?
[21:22] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: almost certainly a copyvio I think :/
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[21:22] <ihaveamac> also, in the site I said above, it uses MW 1.10.1
[21:22] <wctaiwan> as you said, it's a fansite.
[21:22] <Vacation9> OH didn't realize it's lyrics
[21:22] <Dcoetzee> But the article links to the same site's main page and says "Official America fan page"
[21:22] <Dcoetzee> If it's really "official" then it might be licensing the content....
[21:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee wouldnt ATF work better if it had Transformers?
[21:23] <Dcoetzee> Although I've never heard of an "official" fansite before
[21:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I heard many officially unofficial fansites
[21:26] <Dcoetzee> The site at a subdomain of the same domain has a blog advertising their holiday album
[21:27] <Dcoetzee> But their terms of use say "This website is in no way affiliated nor endorsed by the music organization known by the name "America," nor it's business affiliates."
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[21:27] <Dcoetzee> I'm just going to delete the links. Burden is on the person who wants to add them
[21:28] <Vacation9> who else is bored when there's no vandalism to revert like now? :P
[21:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I thought americas backstage was north dakota
[21:28] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: the site is linked to from the official website. I'd say it's probably illegal but basically condoned.
[21:28] <ihaveamac> a IP just tried to nominate an article for deletion
[21:28] <Dcoetzee> Vacation9: You could look for vandalism on Commons or something instead :-)
[21:28] <ihaveamac> but can't create the discussion page
[21:28] <wctaiwan> as are the sites that copy wikipedia without giving a link back, etc.
[21:28] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: Hmmm I see
[21:29] <ihaveamac>
[21:29] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: I don't have much experience with non-enwiki Wikimedia projects. I tried simple, but it's so... different... I'm just not used to it.
[21:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Washington (CNN) -- Airport body scanners that produce graphic images of travelers' bodies will be removed from checkpoints by June, the Transportation Security Administration says, ending what critics called "virtual strip searches."
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[21:30] <Dcoetzee> Well that's one piece of security theatre disassembled
[21:30] <Dcoetzee> Why do I fear they have two new ones to replace it
[21:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee but but
[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it would have been a source of commons images
[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TSA is a federal agency right?
[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so photos are PD-US gov
[21:31] <Vacation9> @_@
[21:31] <Dcoetzee> I think the community would soundly reject the use of those images even if they're PD :-P
[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> [[Category:TSA photos of people]]
[21:31] <Dcoetzee> And good luck getting photos of *anything* anywhere near the TSA
[21:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee thats easy, hacking :3
[21:32] <Dcoetzee> I got lectured last time at the airport for taking pics in the general vicinity of the security checkpoint
[21:32] <Vacation9> Dcoetzee: REALLY?
[21:32] <wolfgang42> What do I do about a claimed sockpuppet?
[21:32] <Dcoetzee> Yeah I have a blog post about it. They were pretty terrible.
[21:32] <wctaiwan> TSA is generally terrible ><
[21:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I walk through checkpoints with multiple pocket knives multiple times
[21:32] <Vacation9> wolfgang42: If it's a duck, maybe ANI, if not, SPI
[21:32] <Dcoetzee> With me they were like, "Hmm so you're from Berkeley... you haven't been involved in those protests, have you?"
[21:32] <wctaiwan> thefts, invasion of privacy, manhandling people, disrespect of basic civil rights.
[21:33] <wctaiwan> LOL
[21:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think people should be required to be naked at airports
[21:33] <wolfgang42> To clarify: Someone in yu__ in #wikipedia-en-help just said:
[21:33] <Dcoetzee> To which the proper response was "why the fuck is that relevant" but I just said "no"
[21:33] <wolfgang42> [00:30:23] <yu__> a sock of mauricio80 has surfaced
[21:33] <wolfgang42> [00:30:27] <yu__> Unistre34
[21:33] <wolfgang42> [00:31:15] <yu__> 2014 EAFF U-20 East Asian Cup is a hoax
[21:33] <wolfgang42> [00:31:31] <yu__> and
[21:33] <wolfgang42> [00:31:34] <yu__> are also sockpuppets
[21:33] <wolfgang42> [00:33:13] <yu__> 2014 Peace Cup is fake as well
[21:33] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: dammit :p
[21:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee the TSA can be used as a flotation device in the event of a water landing
[21:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they are full of that much hot air
[21:34] <Dcoetzee> To be fair I was surrounded by like 4 officers
[21:34] <Dcoetzee> And they were being deliberately intimidating
[21:34] <Vacation9> I would talk to yu__ about it and possibly talk to them about SPI or make one yourself
[21:34] <Dcoetzee> So I didn't feel like causing trouble
[21:34] <Amqui> loll that`s wikiholic : edit conflict with myself :O
[21:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee why not intimidate them back with your sysop rights
[21:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> block their accounts!
[21:34] <Vacation9> :O
[21:34] <Dcoetzee> ...I don't think... that works in the real world :-P
[21:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you cant know if you try
[21:35] <Amqui> this is the realo world
[21:35] <Amqui> real*
[21:35] <Dcoetzee> That is to say, I don't think that works with people who have never heard of Wikipedia :-P
[21:35] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: do they carry weapons?
[21:35] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: Yup lemme find my post
[21:35] <Amqui> what you think the real world is facebook??
[21:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee their faces are weappons
[21:35] <wctaiwan> ineffective weapons.
[21:36] <Amqui> words are a weapon
[21:36] <Amqui> according to some hipster counsellor at school
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[21:36] <Amqui> lol
[21:36] <Amqui> numbers too... throw NYC phone book :P
[21:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
[21:36] <Pharos> i thought hipsters used steam-lasers as weapons
[21:37] <Amqui> hippies
[21:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos I thought they had hip surgery all the time
[21:37] <Amqui> samething
[21:37] <Dcoetzee>
[21:37] <Dcoetzee> There is my posttt
[21:37] <Pharos> NYC has 5 phonebooks!
[21:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oakland has an airport?
[21:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> news to me?
[21:37] <Pharos> one for each borough
[21:37] <Amqui> Dcoetzee can run?
[21:37] <Pharos> they were pretty fat all the same :P
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[21:37] <Dcoetzee> I can but that's not the intended meaning here :-P
[21:38] <Dcoetzee> That was from memory so it might not be complete
[21:39] <Dcoetzee> But I do distinctly remember them asking me if I was involved in the protests, saying that I "should be old enough to remember 9/11", and generally being total dicks.
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[21:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I remember 9/11 = 0.818182
[21:41] <Amqui> Dcoetzee it works less in oral
[21:41] <Amqui> oups ToAruShiroiNeko
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[21:41] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: a digital camera with no photos on it is _really_ suspicious.
[21:41] <wctaiwan> Just sayin'.
[21:42] <Dcoetzee> There were plenty of photos on it :-P I was taking pics in the airport because I was bored.
[21:42] <Dcoetzee> Luggage turnstyles, ticket trays, that kind of thing
[21:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee you could have taken photos of your seat cussion
[21:42] <BlastHardcheese> sounds like terrorism, they should have waterboarded you
[21:42] <wctaiwan> was in response to "In retrospect I’d have felt a lot better if I’d brought my card reader so I could have moved them all to my encrypted hard disk and reformatted the card, or some similarly paranoid procedure."
[21:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BlastHardcheese do you always have to troll?
[21:42] <Dcoetzee> Oh right
[21:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dont you have days off?
[21:42] <Amqui> Dcoetzee
[21:43] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: I don't think a camera with no pics when you're *departing* is suspicious in the least.
[21:43] <BlastHardcheese> no, I am chained to a computer in some guy's basement
[21:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee not really
[21:43] <Dcoetzee> Presumably the camera is for taking pics when I'm actually at my destination
[21:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BlastHardcheese I thought you were a computer
[21:43] <QueenOfFrance> taking pictures? with a camera? outrageous I say!
[21:43] <BlastHardcheese> Stop all the downloadin!
[21:44] <Dcoetzee> BlastHardcheese: You wouldn't download a car!
[21:44] <Amqui> what protest anyway?
[21:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I bet they do not ban 3'd printers on board planes
[21:44] <Shearonink> Dcoetzee: that's a great tumblr
[21:44] <Dcoetzee> Shearonink: I barely update it :-P
[21:45] <Shearonink> i liked that post
[21:45] <Dcoetzee> Amqui: There was a rather infamous protest at Berkeley about that time related to the Occupy movement where campus police like attacked a bunch of kids without provocation
[21:45] <Shearonink> we're all guilty until proven innocent
[21:45] <Amqui> ok
[21:45] <Shearonink> Dcoetzee: didn't someone get beaten?
[21:45] <wctaiwan> recently we had a student / social activists protest incident at our uni
[21:45] <Dcoetzee> Yeah I forget the details
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[21:45] <Amqui> lol the whole province of Quebec got crazy with student protest
[21:46] <Dcoetzee> Shearonink: Thx for compliment though
[21:46] <wctaiwan> people (myself included) didn't like that the uni decided to call in the cops
[21:46] <Amqui> they changed the dates for the semester at all universities because of that
[21:46] <BlastHardcheese> well they're french, they protest like everything
[21:46] <wctaiwan> (they didn't actually _do_ anything, just held placards warning the protestors that what they were doing was illegal and they may be arrested)
[21:46] <Amqui> now it's the Natives who protest everywhere in Canada
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[21:47] <BlastHardcheese> was this in canada
[21:47] <BlastHardcheese> because that sounds so canadian
[21:47] <QueenOfFrance> lol
[21:47] <wctaiwan> one of the profs cited how the campus police at berkeley also intervened in protests.
[21:47] <wctaiwan> …we have an odd admiration for berkeley here.
[21:47] <Amqui> oh and people on unemployment-aid
[21:48] <Amqui> lol campus police xD
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[21:48] <Amqui> in their golf car?
[21:48] <wctaiwan> our campus police is completely ineffective
[21:49] <wctaiwan> they called in actual cops from outside
[21:49] <Amqui> they are good to give parking tickets
[21:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee there is something about all these "security measures" that really dont work
[21:49] <Amqui> that's about it
[21:49] <wolfgang42> Dcoetzee: I just read your article. Great story.
[21:49] <Dcoetzee> wolfgang42: Thx... at the time I was terribly intimidated and not much of a badass, which would have made it a better story :-)
[21:50] <wolfgang42> Being able to spout technobabble can be a great asset
[21:50] <Amqui> lol
[21:50] <wctaiwan> (the campus police consists of like 5 people who just patrol the campus, who are known for telling people to ignore incidents of theft if the stolen item (generally bikes) is later found again)
[21:50] <Dcoetzee> In certain situations yup :-P
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[21:51] <Amqui> 5 people looks like the whole police workforce of the region here :P
[21:51] <wctaiwan> heh
[21:51] <Dcoetzee> Probably the only other time I've been deliberately intimidated by authorities was when I went to cross the border to Canada in Detroit.
[21:51] <Amqui> it's called the middle-of-nowhere, Canada
[21:51] <Dcoetzee> And one of the agents searching my car said, "What would you say if I told you we found marijuana in your vehicle?"
[21:51] <wctaiwan> let me guess, Newfoundland?
[21:51] <Amqui> lol that's not in the middle
[21:52] <Amqui> newfoundland is beside the middle-of-nowhere
[21:52] <wctaiwan> a canadian once responded "it's great… if you're Amish"
[21:52] <wctaiwan> heh.
[21:52] <Amqui> lol there is actually a lot of Amish-like communities around here
[21:52] <Amqui> they are hutterite and mennonite though, not amish
[21:52] <Shearonink> heh to the 'it's great is you're amish"
[21:52] <wctaiwan> wilful rejection of technology?
[21:53] <Amqui> yep they live in colonies
[21:53] <Shearonink> not all technology
[21:53] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: To be fair everybody willfully rejects *some* technology
[21:53] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: did you have weed in the vehicle? :P
[21:53] <Shearonink> they don;t reject all technology
[21:53] <Amqui> they build big buildings where they all live
[21:53] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: I've never smoked or had anyone smoke anywhere near my car :-P
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[21:53] <Amqui> but they aren't as bad as the extreme amish for technology
[21:53] <Dcoetzee> He was just making shit up to test my reaction
[21:53] <Amqui> they go shop at Walmart lol
[21:53] <wctaiwan> heh.
[21:54] <wctaiwan> I'd like to think I'm the kind of person security would just wave through.
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[21:54] <Dcoetzee> I also got turned back at the Canada border once
[21:54] <wctaiwan> o_O
[21:54] <Dcoetzee> Because I couldn't remember my girlfriend's age
[21:54] <Amqui> ppl around here got really angry at them back in the days, cause they were buying all the lands, and importing their own stuff from other provinces so it`s cheaper
[21:54] <Dcoetzee> And they didn't believe I wasn't making her up
[21:54] <Amqui> they are actually pretty rich
[21:54] <Atethnekos> I crossed the same place Dcoetzee, with my brother.  They made us pull over to the side and then they grabbed him and started pulling at his clothes, tucking his shirt in, pulling his pants up, doing up his collar, and they were berating him for not being all put together.  he had been driving for 9 hours straight.
[21:55] <Atethnekos> Windsor-Detroit i mean.
[21:55] <Shearonink> which side was this Atethnekos ?
[21:55] <Dcoetzee> Atethnekos: I got that too... drove for 12 hours and I was like "I was tired, I'm not gonna remember all that stuff" and they weren't buying it
[21:55] <Shearonink> US or Canadian...
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[21:55] <Amqui> it`s easy after all, when you own acres and acres nowadays, oil companies comes to build a little oil-pump of let say 500m2 and they pay you like 30k$ a year
[21:55] <Atethnekos> Entering Detroit.
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[21:55] <Dcoetzee> Windsor-Detroit yeah. On the Windsor side for me.
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[21:55] <Dcoetzee> I never have any trouble entering the US cause, you know "Oh hi an American come right in"
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[21:56] <Amqui> I never had any trouble either, but always using my green passport :P
[21:56] <Dcoetzee> The Canadians always seemed to think I was planning to sneak into the country and never come back
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[21:56] <Amqui> lol
[21:56] <Dcoetzee> And also that I was smuggling drugs
[21:56] <Amqui> do you look Pakies?
[21:57] <wctaiwan> Pakies?
[21:57] <Dcoetzee> Also last time I entered Canada they said I'm on some kind of "always detain for questioning" list now
[21:57] <SigmaWP> Pakies?
[21:57] <Amqui> ppl from pakistan
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[21:57] <Amqui> or around
[21:57] <SigmaWP> WindoZent
[21:58] <SigmaWP> ^ What I read
[21:58] <wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: cut that hair and put on a suit :P
[21:58] <Amqui> pakies are to Canada what mexicans are to US
[21:58] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: That's exactly what I did the next time I visited
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[21:58] <Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: I wasn't taking no chances
[21:58] <wctaiwan> no trouble then eh?
[21:58] <Dcoetzee> Nope
[21:58] <wctaiwan> hee :p
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[21:59] <Sven_Manguard> Hello. Anyone here good at image edting? I want something lightened/rebalanced
[21:59] <Amqui> they call them pakies, but most of them are actually from south-east Asia XD
[21:59] <Dcoetzee> Sven_Manguard: Linky?
[21:59] <wctaiwan> hey Sven
[21:59] <Sven_Manguard>
[21:59] <Sven_Manguard> hey wctaiwan
[21:59] <wctaiwan> (was going to offer but Dcoetzee is probably more competent)
[21:59] <Dcoetzee> Sven_Manguard: Unsalvagable, too noisy
[21:59] <Sven_Manguard> Ah, foo
[22:00] <Dcoetzee> It can be brightened but it would have to be blurred quite a bit
[22:00] <Dcoetzee> And it would only look good in thumbnail
[22:00] <wctaiwan> er wtf
[22:00] <wctaiwan> are you sure the uploader is the twitter user?
[22:01] <wctaiwan> er
[22:01] <wctaiwan> flickr
[22:01] <wctaiwan> the flickr page says all rights reserved
[22:01] <Shearonink> yeah
[22:02] <wctaiwan> how do you know?
[22:02] <Dcoetzee> Single upload account. I'm skeptical.
[22:03] <wctaiwan> Sven_Manguard?
[22:03] <Sven_Manguard> I have no idea
[22:03] <Dcoetzee> I'm nomming it for deletion anyway.
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[22:03] <Sven_Manguard> okay
[22:03] <Sven_Manguard> that works
[22:04] <The_Anonymouse> it's been around since 2008 and hasn't been caught? Or has the license on flickr changed recently? hmm...
[22:04] <wctaiwan> it's not a bot upload, so no way to check.
[22:05] <The_Anonymouse> but there's a bot on Commons that finds that kind of stuff, right?
[22:05] <Dcoetzee> The_Anonymouse: Nope, no copyvio detection bots currently
[22:05] <Dcoetzee> We needs some
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[22:06] <Sven_Manguard> Dcoetzee: the issue is with Google, yes?
[22:06] <wctaiwan> would be great if only there was a coder, oh look :P
[22:06] <The_Anonymouse> Dcoetzee: There's
[22:06] <Sven_Manguard> they're being twats about their API?
�06[22:06] * wctaiwan eyes Dcoetzee 
[22:06] <Dcoetzee> I've got 3000 files left to review for Google Art Project, I'm not writing another bot yet.
[22:07] <wctaiwan> The_Anonymouse: that doesn't detect copyvios, just checks if the licence listed is the same as the licence on twitter, no?
[22:07] <Dcoetzee> *Flickr
[22:07] <wctaiwan> …yeah why do I keep saying that
[22:07] <wctaiwan> flickr, of course.
[22:07] <The_Anonymouse> wctaiwan: but shouldn't it have caught that image?
[22:07] <wctaiwan> The_Anonymouse: the image isn't listed as copied from flickr
[22:08] <wctaiwan> but rather an original work of the uploader with flickr linked in "other versions"
[22:08] <Sven_Manguard> The_Anonymouse: not if it wasn't run through the Flickr uploading form
[22:08] <Dcoetzee> The_Anonymouse: Flickreviewer only reviews Flickr images uploaded by certain methods
[22:08] <Dcoetzee> Not all of them. It can't parse arbitrary Flickr uploads.
[22:08] <The_Anonymouse> Oops, didn't see that it wasn't uploaded that way :o
[22:11] <Vacation9> The_Anonymouse: Might be able to implement it in VoxelBot eventually
[22:12] <wctaiwan> being busy and being bored seem to be an absolute dichotomy :|
[22:12] <Dcoetzee> I've had this plan for years
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[22:12] <Dcoetzee> To implement a copyvio bot for Commons using machine learning
[22:12] <Dcoetzee> To tag suspected copyvios automatically
[22:12] <Vacation9> I have a better idea
[22:12] <Vacation9> Steal your idea
[22:12] <Vacation9> muahahaha
[22:12] <Dcoetzee> Then a human reviews them and takes appropriate action
[22:13] <Vacation9> So you're saying a semi-automated bot then
[22:13] <Dcoetzee> Please feel free to steal my idea, save me the time and effort :-)
[22:13] <wctaiwan> I'm traumatised by machine learning.
[22:13] <Dcoetzee> Yeah it would just categorise them
[22:13] <Isarra> IS it a bad idea to get really drunk and edit wikipedia?
[22:13] <Vacation9> We already have cluebot wctaiwan
[22:13] <wctaiwan> yes.
[22:13] <Isarra> Because right now that seems really appealing.
[22:13] <Dcoetzee> Isarra: Depends if you edit better when drunk
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[22:13] <Isarra> I edit terribly either way.
[22:13] <Isarra> Fluffernutter can attest to that.
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[22:13] <Dcoetzee> It does encourage you to BE BOLD
[22:13] <wctaiwan> Vacation9: yeah, I bet Cobi didn't take machine learning in college >.>
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[22:13] <The_Anonymouse> Vacation9: Where does the data in [[Template:Vandalism information]] come from? All edits vs. vandalism?
[22:14] <ihaveamac> I think there was a page about that..
[22:14] <Vacation9> The_Anonymouse: You can see our BRFA if you want, but the data comes from analysing the Recent Changes feed.
[22:14] <Isarra> Wheeee, dataa.
[22:14] <Jasper_Deng> it's manually updated
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[22:14] <Dcoetzee> The upside of Commons is there's no bot request process really
[22:14] <Vacation9> The_Anonymouse: A raw output of summaries that were flagged as vandalism is here:
[22:14] <Jasper_Deng> based on some Huggle metric I don't know exactly all about
[22:15] <Dcoetzee> I have basically free reign to do anything I feel like until it upsets somebody
[22:15] <Vacation9> (It looks at summaries)
[22:15] <The_Anonymouse> interesting
[22:15] <Isarra> And when it does?
[22:16] <Isarra> Mlergh my gloves taste like potatos.
[22:16] <Vacation9> The_Anonymouse: BRFA link is here:
[22:16] <Dcoetzee> Isarra: BRD basically
[22:16] <The_Anonymouse> Vacation9: yes, I'm looking at it right now. much better stats than I've seen before (like Huggle, for example)
[22:17] <Vacation9> The_Anonymouse: Yes, that's one of the major benefits along with actually being up-to-date
[22:17] <Isarra> No horrible dramas?
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[22:20] <The_Anonymouse> I put that template in my sandbox for future reference. It
[22:20] <Amqui>
[22:21] <Isarra> I need something to edit.
[22:21] <Isarra> How do editors find things to edit?
[22:21] <The_Anonymouse> it's really good info, thanks!
[22:21] <ihaveamac> Special:Random
[22:21] <Isarra> Anything requiring a working brain is out.
[22:21] <Vacation9> The_Anonymouse: Glad you like it :)
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[22:21] <SigmaWP> The SOPA blackout was a whole year ago
[22:21] <SigmaWP> Wow
[22:21] <Isarra> You have requested a special page that is not recognized by Wikipedia.
[22:21] <Isarra> I wanted a cat.
[22:22] <Amqui> Isarra I got a list of articles to create that get longer and longer
[22:22] <Isarra> I've never created a single article.
[22:22] <ihaveamac> neither have I
�06[22:22] * Isarra tries to high-five ihaveamac.
[22:22] <Amqui> I just created 5 in last hour
[22:22] <The_Anonymouse> Isarra: Try
[22:22] <ihaveamac> other than redirects
[22:22] <ihaveamac> I have never ever ever ever made an article
[22:22] <Amqui> and from those 5, I have created 3 red links, hence 3 more pages to create
[22:23] <Amqui> it never stops
[22:23] <Sven_Manguard> Amqui: I've created four artcles this month, of which all four have got DYK, one is a GA, and one is at GAN
[22:24] <Amqui> lol that`s not my point
[22:24] <Amqui> was just showing what to do when "looking what to do on Wikipedia"
[22:24] <Isarra> Sven_Manguard: How do you find the time?
[22:24] <Sven_Manguard> Amqui: I did jack shit last year. All that stuff I did above was because I'm on a WP:CUP high
[22:24] <Sven_Manguard> Isarra: things have to be sacrificed. Sleep goes first.
[22:24] <Amqui> lol
[22:24] <Sven_Manguard> Also, I was on break when I wrote most of it
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[22:25] <Isarra> What is break?
[22:25] <Sven_Manguard> It's when you have time in between university semesters
[22:25] <Isarra> Oh.
[22:25] <Amqui> for GA, i usually go to the library, takes 4 or 5 books on a subject and there it`s launched
[22:25] <Sven_Manguard> :P
[22:25] <Isarra> I spent that entire time coding.
[22:25] <Isarra> And moving a wiki.
[22:25] <Isarra> And trying and kind of massively failing to do anything remotely useful.
[22:25] <Isarra> Libraries are awesome.
[22:26] <Isarra> Nothing on my userpage is editable using visualeditor.
[22:26] <Amqui> there is so much to do
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[22:27] <ihaveamac> go to the link The_Anonymouse posted
[22:27] <ihaveamac>
[22:27] <LtNOWIS-mobile> Are cell phones in East Asia more advanced then in the US?
[22:27] <Isarra> This page has weird... whart... tghe...
[22:27] <The_Anonymouse> LtNOWIS-mobile: depends
[22:27] <LtNOWIS-mobile> I know that was the case 10 years ago
[22:30] <wctaiwan> Sven_Manguard: My break has only just begun!
[22:30] <wctaiwan> I demand your envy.
[22:31] <SigmaWP> We need more proofreaders
[22:31] <SigmaWP> :(
[22:31] <D_> We need more of everything
[22:31] <D_> Send more of everything
[22:31] <wctaiwan> kthx.
�06[22:31] * Isarra proofreads SigmaWP.
[22:31] <Amqui> no we don't need more vandals
[22:31] <Shearonink> there is no cachet in being  Wiki-proofreader
�06[22:32] * Isarra hacks up a hairball on wctaiwan.
[22:32] <wctaiwan> o_o
[22:32] <wctaiwan> LtNOWIS-mobile: not anymore, I think.
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[22:32] <Isarra> ...sorry. It's been a long month.
[22:32] <Amqui> proofreading is good for your editcountitis
[22:32] <wctaiwan> I mean, you can probably get cellphones with TV capabilities in the US.
[22:32] <Shearonink> I don;t suffer from that disease
[22:32] <Shearonink> I have editqualityitis
[22:32] <wctaiwan> but Japan isn't ahead in the smartphone game like it was in the feature phone game.
[22:32] <Amqui> wctaiwan what, tv capabilities is like nothing lol
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[22:32] <wctaiwan> er, in Japan, not in the US, sorry.
[22:33] <Isarra> Moar angust.
[22:33] <Isarra> We ned more angus.
[22:33] <Isarra> Angust.
[22:33] <Isarra> Need.
[22:33] <Isarra> More.
[22:33] <Amqui> my cellphone has tv capability
[22:33] <Shearonink> angst?
[22:33] <wctaiwan> Isarra: stop being drunk.
[22:33] <Isarra> Angustifolia.
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[22:33] <Shearonink> (heh, that's what I ws thinking...)
[22:34] <Shearonink> i have someone coming to replace the windshield in my car tomorrow
[22:34] <Amqui> Shearonink good
[22:34] <Shearonink> mus go tsleep
[22:34] <Amqui> 'cause last time I tried to do it myself I broke two windshields lol
[22:34] <Isarra> What's the use having the same ref after four different words, all one after the other?
[22:34] <Shearonink> they will be here earlier than I want to be vertical
[22:34] <Shearonink> oh deerz Amqui
[22:35] <Amqui> in garage, they have the special thing to hold the windshield
[22:35] <Isarra> New Mexico has spanish swampy things.
[22:35] <Amqui> when you did by hand it's pretty hard
�06[22:35] * Shearonink is glad insurance covers most of the cost
[22:35] <Amqui> Isarra that's to show that each synonyms exist
[22:35] <Shearonink> ah, secret tools
[22:35] <Isarra> Are the things they use like the things you use to pick up mirrors and stuff?
[22:35] <Isarra> Amqui: But they're all right next to each other!
[22:36] <Amqui> that`s usually what we do for common names
[22:36] <Amqui> but usually it`s different reference though
[22:36] <Sven_Manguard> Dcoetzee: do you think you could remove the datestamp in ?
[22:36] <Isarra> That would make more sense. When it's all the same it seems like it could just be stuck at the end of all of them.
[22:36] <Amqui> Isarra I would only leave the last one after the comma
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[22:37] <Dcoetzee> Sven_Manguard: On it
[22:37] <Sven_Manguard> Thanks!
[22:37] <Isarra> Amqui: You make my cat's face happy.
[22:38] <D_> Hm
[22:38] <D_> Why am I fixing pages with missing references lists
[22:38] <D_> I mean, somebody linked the cat and only now did I realize I didn't even read why
[22:38] <ihaveamac> because you want to edit something
[22:38] <Isarra> D_: Because you're awesome.
[22:39] <Isarra> If I fall out of my chair does that mean it's time to go to bed?
[22:39] <Isarra> Because I almost just fell out of my chair.
[22:39] <Addshore-w> I almost think there should be a second layer to Wikipedia
[22:39] <Isarra> AGH!
[22:39] <Addshore-w> A sort of second class for articles
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[22:40] <Isarra> The visualeditor made the ToC dissappear!
[22:40] <Isarra> The audacity!
[22:40] <Amqui> where do you go to try it?
[22:40] <Amqui> the visual editor
[22:40] <Isarra> NS_MAIN
[22:41] <Sven_Manguard> Amqui: are you part of the Cult of Oliver?
[22:41] <Dcoetzee> Sven_Manguard: Done
[22:41] <Isarra> Er, I mean, enable it in your preferences and there will be a tab in mainspace and userspace if you use vector.
[22:41] <D_> Is there a way to not have the visual editor hijack section edit links yet?
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[22:41] <Isarra> Why does php have capsy things and $sy things that do essentially the same things?
[22:41] <Sven_Manguard> Dcoetzee: I'm not seeing a difference?
[22:41] <Dcoetzee> Caching issues...
[22:42] <ihaveamac> action=purge
[22:42] <Dcoetzee> Purge doesn't always work
[22:42] <Dcoetzee> This one will require some time
[22:42] <Isarra> D_: When does it do that?
[22:42] <Isarra> How does it?
[22:42] <Isarra> Does it still?
[22:42] <Isarra> What browser?
[22:42] <Isarra> Do oyu like chicken?
[22:42] <Dcoetzee> All the time. It's not browser specific.
[22:42] <Dcoetzee> The specific circumstances causing it are a mystery to me.
[22:42] <D_> When you click [edit] on a section
[22:42] <D_> It's coded that way
[22:42] <D_> I don't know
[22:42] <D_> Firefox
[22:42] <D_> Sure
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[22:43] <Isarra> It doesn't do that for me...
[22:43] <delldot> There's a biomedcentral article I want to use images from.  The article is CC licensed but the images say "used with permission" from somewhere else.  Would that be legit to use the images?
[22:43] <delldot>
[22:44] <D_> Oh, it doesn't do that for me either
[22:44] <D_> but it used to
[22:44] <D_> so I guess the answer to my original question is yes
[22:44] <Dcoetzee> delldot: No
[22:44] <Dcoetzee> Not unless the original images are also from a CC paper
[22:44] <delldot> damn.  thanks
[22:45] <Isarra> Yay!
[22:46] <Sven_Manguard> Dcoetzee: I see the change. Thanks!
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[22:46] <Dcoetzee> :-) It magically worked now
[22:46] <Isarra> Stick a fork in it.
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[22:46] <wctaiwan> ....
�06[22:46] * wctaiwan knocks MJ94 on the head
�06[22:46] * Isarra sticks a fork in MJ94.
�06[22:46] * MJ94 faints
�06[22:46] * MJ94 jumps
[22:46] <MJ94> Isarra: oh baby
�06[22:47] * MJ94 grabs a chair, sits backwards
[22:47] <Isarra> o__o
�06[22:47] * MJ94 grabs a hat
�06[22:47] * MJ94 tips it
�06[22:47] * MJ94 sits on stage
�06[22:47] * MJ94 spotlight
�06[22:47] * MJ94 tapping of cane as dancers come in
[22:47] <Amqui> what is Wikipedia?
�06[22:47] * wctaiwan uses… the hook!
[22:47] <Isarra> Oy, please stop, MJ94.
[22:47] <wctaiwan> a [[stage hook]
[22:47] <wctaiwan> ]
[22:48] <MJ94> i'd like to dedicate this song to wctaiwan
[22:48] <Isarra> Amqui: CHICKENS.
[22:48] <MJ94> baby
[22:48] <MJ94> we're no strangers to love
[22:48] <MJ94> you know the words
[22:48] <MJ94> and
[22:48] <MJ94> so do i
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[22:48] <MJ94> so
[22:48] <MJ94> baby
[22:48] <MJ94> baby
[22:48] <MJ94> baby
[22:48] <MJ94> oh
[22:48] <Isarra> MJ94: Please stop.
[22:48] <wctaiwan> …yeah, you're spamming
[22:48] <Amqui> do you think I can find a girlfriend on Wikipedia?
[22:48] <wctaiwan> not cool.
[22:48] <ihaveamac> what's with the mix of songs
[22:48] <wctaiwan> or hyperventilating
[22:48] <Isarra> Amqui: Are you a girl?
[22:48] <MJ94> ihaveamac: talent
[22:48] <wctaiwan> Amqui: everyone knows there are no girls on the internet.
[22:49] <MJ94> wctaiwan: what are you?
[22:49] <Amqui> wctaiwan I can show you are wrong
[22:49] <wctaiwan> what do you mean MJ94?
[22:49] <MJ94> please do Amqui
[22:49] <Amqui> there's girls EVERYWHERE on the internet
[22:49] <wctaiwan> Amqui: that's a somewhat sexist trope.
[22:49] <D_> On the Internet, nobody can tell woof woof arf woof
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[22:49] <MJ94> I'm 12 and what is this
[22:49] <Amqui>
[22:49] <Isarra> I need to email some women on the internet.
[22:49] <Amqui> full of girls
[22:49] <MJ94> nsfw
[22:49] <MJ94> nsfw
[22:49] <MJ94> obviously
[22:49] <Amqui> lol
[22:49] <Isarra> About tuesday.
[22:49] <D_> Surprisingly enough is actually porn
[22:49] <Isarra> Tuesdays are scary.
[22:50] <D_> For some reason I expected it not to be
[22:50] <Amqui> I thought you were 94
[22:50] <Isarra> Is it good porn?
[22:50] <Amqui> D_ almost everything is porn
[22:50] <MJ94> well
[22:50] <Isarra> Is Wikipedia porn?
[22:50] <MJ94> it's "the best free porn tube"
[22:50] <MJ94> so
[22:50] <wctaiwan> ...
[22:50] <Amqui> Wikipedia is one of the only safe haven
[22:50] <wctaiwan> quick topic change.
[22:50] <D_> Why would you call it a "porn tube"
[22:50] <wctaiwan> Amqui: unlike commons
[22:50] <D_> that sounds nasty
[22:50] <Amqui> lol
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[22:50] <MJ94> D_: it says
[22:50] <MJ94> please read title
[22:50] <Sven_Manguard> wctaiwan: ?
[22:50] <MJ94> of page
[22:50] <D_> Yeah, but why would they call it that
[22:50] <Amqui> what's the law that says "if it exists, there is porn about it" ?
[22:50] <wctaiwan> Sven_Manguard: trolling commons. Just ignore me :P
[22:51] <ihaveamac> rule 34
[22:51] <MJ94> D_: because penises idk
[22:51] <Amqui> lol yes
[22:51] <MJ94> She wants the D_
[22:51] <Amqui> dinosaurs having sex with cars is the best example
[22:51] <MJ94> Amqui: pics or it didn't happen
[22:51] <D_> Well, it didn't happen
[22:51] <D_> but there's pics
[22:51] <wctaiwan> [[Jurassic Park (1994 film)]] probably
[22:51] <MJ94> !link
[22:52] <MJ94> aw
�06[22:52] * Isarra huggles Sven_Manguard.
[22:52] <Amqui> MJ94 nsfw if it exists, there is porn about it
[22:52] <wctaiwan> huh, it's 1993, not 1994.
[22:52] <Sven_Manguard> :D
[22:52] <Amqui> ** MJ94 nsfw
[22:52] <MJ94> oh my god
[22:52] <MJ94> hello inline images
[22:52] <MJ94> how are you
[22:52] <wctaiwan> ….yeah Amqui, don't do that
[22:52] <wctaiwan> some clients display images inline.
[22:52] <Amqui> he asked for proof
[22:53] <wctaiwan> automatically
[22:53] <Amqui> loll
[22:53] <Amqui> sorry
[22:53] <MJ94> Women are like iPhones, you have to touch them all over to get them to respond. Men are like Blackberries, touch one ball and everything moves.
[22:54] <D_> Blackberries have optical trackpads now
[22:54] <MJ94> My girlfriend sent me that and I'm not sure quite how to respond
[22:54] <D_> I really want to fit that into the metaphor somehow
[22:54] <wctaiwan> MJ94: see you joined and the level of discourse just tanked.
[22:54] <wctaiwan> MJ94: generic "lol" works.
[22:54] <Isarra> You know that stuff you wash things with? It's generally basic and contains strange fat and comes in bars and stuff...
[22:54] <Isarra> What's that called?
[22:55] <wctaiwan> soap.
[22:55] <MJ94> o_O
[22:55] <Isarra> ...wait, really?
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[22:55] <MJ94> ...
[22:55] <MJ94> not sure if troll or stupid
[22:55] <MJ94> Matthew_: hi I'm being highly unproductive
[22:56] <Matthew_> MJ94: Heh, no worries :P
[22:56] <Amqui> rule 41
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[22:56] <Isarra> Soap.
[22:56] <Isarra> Sopa.
[22:56] <Isarra> Soupa.
[22:56] <MJ94> Santa
[22:57] <MJ94> more at 10
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[22:58] <Isarra> Commons is full of spoons.
[22:58] <Matthew_> ... that awkward moment when you use = instead of == and spend ten minutes debugging it :P
[22:58] <Vacation9|busy> *Refreshes watchlist* *sees nothing new* *repeats process*
[22:58] <MJ94> Isarra: I don't think I'm drunk but I feel like i am
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[22:58] <MJ94> Matthew_: LOLOL did that earlier
[22:58] <Amqui> lol
[22:58] <MJ94> Vacation9: did that today too
[22:58] <Isarra> How much have you drunk? You're not acting too respectably.
[22:59] <Isarra> Neither am I, but that doesn't excuse you either.
[22:59] <Amqui> Vacation9 did that today on four projects simultaneously ;)
[22:59] <MJ94> Isarra: 2 glasses of water, hate on me
[22:59] <wctaiwan> Matthew_: dude, last time I spent more than 3 hours debugging if (fp = fopen("file.txt", "w") < 0)
[23:00] <Isarra> Get ahold of yourself.
[23:00] <wctaiwan> the TAs didn't see it either
[23:00] <wctaiwan> we thought it was some other, more complicated part that was incorrectly coded.
�06[23:00] * Isarra huggles wctaiwan.
[23:00] <Matthew_> wctaiwan: Owch :P
[23:00] <wctaiwan> yup.
[23:00] <wctaiwan> the compiler should really issue warnings for such things...
[23:01] <Matthew_> Heh, yeah.  Of course, I'm in PHP, so it doesn't :/
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[23:01] <wctaiwan> Sigma has a thing or two or twenty to say about PHP :
[23:01] <wctaiwan> p
[23:02] <Matthew_> Yeah, I've heard it before.  He won't let me have a break.
[23:02] <wctaiwan> he never lets anyone have a break :p
[23:02] <Isarra>
[23:03] <Amqui> try debugging that
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[23:03] <MJ94>
[23:03] <Amqui> lol
[23:04] <wctaiwan> Isarra: the opposite of a computer is a kumquat.
[23:04] <Isarra> Lies.
[23:04] <Isarra> Both are objects. Their oposition ends more quickly than it ought.
[23:04] <Matthew_> Isarra: Heh :P  I hate PHP's arguements (Let's put the string first!  Now last!  Now second!  )
[23:04] <Amqui>
[23:04] <Isarra> Existant objects.
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[23:04] <Isarra> Matthew_: php makes me like python at times.
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[23:05] <Amqui> how I found more time for Wikipedia:
[23:05] <Isarra> Then I get hit with pep8 and that ends pretty quickly.
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[23:05] <Matthew_> Isarra: Heh, I hate python's indenting.  Especially when I switch IDEs, and it flips over tabs v. spaces
[23:05] <Isarra> Exactly! It'a just... argh.
[23:05] <Amqui>
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[23:07] <Matthew_> Heh, my logic is single-handedly deleting the entire Global Titleblacklist, ARG!
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[23:08] <wctaiwan> Amqui: disturbingly the toilet leads to the microwave oven :p
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[23:17] <Guerillero> are rasphberry pies (the computer) useful?
[23:17] <wctaiwan> depends on what you plan to do with them
[23:19] <wctaiwan> bbl.
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[23:21] <D_> Someone from China just managed to compromise the password on a tertiary Google account that I barely ever use
[23:21] <Vacation9> D_: Please tell me you use random different passwords on every account :)
[23:22] <D_> I used this one on a bunch of other stuff I don't care about
[23:22] <D_> now I get to change it all
[23:22] <Vacation9> At least it wasn't your main account
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[23:34] <Sven_Manguard> night
[23:35] <Sven_Manguard> Talk to you Tuesday :S
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[00:09] <MJ94> Matthew_: o_O
[00:09] <Matthew_> Hmmm?
[00:09] <MJ94> didn't know you came back
[00:10] <Matthew_> Ah, I came back :P
[00:10] <MJ94> Matthew_: You're missing a channel.
[00:10] <Matthew_> Yeah, I have to manually join that one :P
[00:11] <MJ94> Matthew_: Why?
[00:11] <Matthew_> Client funnkies...
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[02:12] <Goofy|Asleep> o.o
[02:12] <Goofy|Asleep> hi
[02:12] <Goofy|Asleep> :D
[02:12] <Goofy|Asleep> good morning+
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[02:16] <LtNOWIS-mobile> Morning
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[02:19] <rigel> need input
[02:21] <rigel> at [[Motor unit]] (which I have already notified the relevant wikiprojects about) a class appears to have made a real mess of things. I was considering just rolling everything back to the pre-student-edits state
[02:21] <rigel> wanted other opinions/suggestions, as I really can't be arsed to try and pull any additional information out of that nonsense
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[03:59] <Anna_Frodesiak> hi bunnies
[03:59] <Anna_Frodesiak> would someone please click this and tell me if you see green landmass or only white
[03:59] <Anna_Frodesiak>
[04:00] <Anna_Frodesiak> i'm only getting a few renders and only white
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[04:00] <Anna_Frodesiak> could be browser issues or this darn LSD
[04:01] <legoktm> er
[04:01] <legoktm> you mean in the image?
[04:02] <Anna_Frodesiak> yes. a bunch of images at that page should be green
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[04:02] <Anna_Frodesiak> green landmass with red
[04:02] <legoktm> i only see two images
[04:02] <Anna_Frodesiak> me too
[04:02] <legoktm> yeah theyre white for me
[04:02] <Anna_Frodesiak> rats
[04:02] <legoktm> white with red
[04:02] <Anna_Frodesiak> yet they render here
[04:02] <Anna_Frodesiak>
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[04:03] <legoktm> um
[04:03] <legoktm> i think you're linking to the wrong files?
[04:03] <Anna_Frodesiak> oh?
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[04:03] <Anna_Frodesiak> hahah
[04:03] <Anna_Frodesiak> you're right
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[04:04] <Anna_Frodesiak> it's not the LSD!
[04:04] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks.
[04:04] <legoktm> :P
[04:04] <Anna_Frodesiak> i removed part of the filename by accident
[04:04] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks
[04:04] <legoktm> np
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[04:06] <Anna_Frodesiak> and please explain why my IRC client is melting
[04:06] <Anna_Frodesiak> kidding
[04:06] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks lego. i'm so daft today
[04:06] <legoktm> :)
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[04:29] <cheeseduck> <-- What is the thing under the window?
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[04:34] <foks> radiator
[04:35] <cheeseduck> Strangest radiator I ever saw.
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[04:44] <MartijnH> air heating?
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[04:46] <cheeseduck> Weird...
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[05:07] <Pink|away> foks: around?
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[05:08] <foks> sort of
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[05:16] <legoktm> Pink|away: you're not away! have time to talk about the bot?
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[05:17] <Pink|quasi-away> yeah! :) just a sec
[05:19] <legoktm> lol ok
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[05:24] <PinkAmpersand> legoktm: sorry. all yours.
[05:24] <legoktm> no worries, want to discuss this in the wikidata channel?
[05:25] <PinkAmpersand> sure
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[05:56] <Bradford> Hair:  Hair [~hair@wikia/Hairr] se ha marchado del IRC: Killed ( (Nickname regained by services))
[05:56] <Bradford> O_o
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[05:58] <Hair> I kept disconnecting, so I had to regain it
[05:59] <Bradford> :)
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[06:07] <cheeseduck> Mama Mia! He was-a the killed, yes?
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[06:25] <GoofyGirl> Hi :D
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[06:28] <Bradford> ...
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[07:13] <legoktm> heh (david thorne)
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[07:14] <wctaiwan> I think it's a persona / alter ego thing but okay
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[07:14] <wctaiwan> I doubt Maddox is as big an asshole in real life as he seems to be on his site, either.
[07:15] <legoktm> i doubt it, but its quite funny
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[08:04] <Nascar1996> Is [[User:Secret] here?
[08:04] <mimi> :p
[08:05] <PeterSymonds> I'm afraid that is a secret.
[08:05] <PeterSymonds> (Also, no.)
[08:05] <addshore> ;p
[08:05] <mimi> lol
[08:05] <Nascar1996> ughh
�06[08:05] * mimi where is Dcoetze
[08:06] <mimi> :(
�06[08:06] * mimi runs away
[08:06] <Nascar1996> He/she started a GA review, and hasn't said anything since January 4th.
[08:07] <PeterSymonds> Maybe he's keeping his review a secret.
[08:07] <PeterSymonds> I'll stop now.
[08:08] <Nascar1996> Good
[08:09] <LtNOWIS-mobile> Hmm. I found a minor error that could be fixed by someone not on a phone
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[08:10] <Nascar1996> LtNOWIS-mobile?
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[08:10] <LtNOWIS-mobile> -- a space between the and Gauls
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[08:10] <LtNOWIS-mobile> Barely worth raising the point here, really
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[08:11] <Nascar1996> -.-
[08:11] <mimi> o.o
[08:11] <legoktm> {{fixed}}
[08:11] <mimi> -_-
[08:12] <LtNOWIS-mobile> I have edited on a mobile before, but you gotta disable mobile versions of the site which is kind of a pain
[08:12] <LtNOWIS-mobile> Really only did it once so I could say I'd done it
[08:12] <Nascar1996> {{editconflict}}
[08:12] <Nascar1996> late but eh
[08:13] <Nascar1996> I'm too lazy.
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[08:15] <mimi> o.o huh
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[08:33] <mimi> o.o Hahc21 hi
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[08:33] <Hahc21> Hey
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[08:34] <Hahc21> OOh hey GoofyGirl
[08:34] <GoofyGirl> :o
[08:34] <GoofyGirl> hihi
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[08:35] <BobTheWikipedian> :o you again
�06[08:35] * GoofyGirl o.o
[08:35] <GoofyGirl> :D
[08:35] <GoofyGirl> you here
[08:35] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[08:36] <Hahc21> Hey Bob
[08:36] <BobTheWikipedian> both of you again :o
�06[08:36] * GoofyGirl steals Hahc21
[08:36] <Hahc21> Is Dcoetzee here?
�06[08:36] * BobTheWikipedian calls 9-1-1 and reports a theft
[08:36] <GoofyGirl> you again
[08:36] <GoofyGirl> :o
[08:36] <GoofyGirl> no he's not :(
[08:36] <Hahc21> Damn I had some Commons queries
[08:37] <GoofyGirl> just need him to arm the party
�06[08:37] * GoofyGirl BobTheWikipedian thief
[08:37] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[08:37] <GoofyGirl> who is
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[08:37] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmm oh well i need to call a nervous bride about wedding music anyway
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[08:37] <BobTheWikipedian> and finish my application to be a librarian
[08:37] <BobTheWikipedian> brb
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[08:38] <GoofyGirl> Well, I have hungry, I'll eat my launch
[08:39] <GoofyGirl> lunch
[08:39] <Trashlord> also, you are hungry, not have hungry :P
[08:40] <Trashlord> you can say "I have a hunger"
[08:40] <GoofyGirl> thanks
�06[08:40] * GoofyGirl o.o
[08:40] <PeterSymonds> Just "have hunger", not "a hunger". ;-p
[08:41] <Trashlord> what if you have a hunger for blood?
[08:41] <Trashlord> or. not blood
[08:41] <Trashlord> what if you have a hunger for paper
[08:41] <Trashlord> "I have hunger for paper" sounds weird to me
[08:41] <PeterSymonds> Well, no, that changes the context of the sentence.
[08:41] <PeterSymonds> If you just have hunger, you have hunger.
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[08:42] <Trashlord> alright
�06[08:42] * GoofyGirl removed his shoes
[08:42] <Trashlord> thanks for teaching me something new, then
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> her
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> and what I leanr
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> learn
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> ok
[08:42] <mareklug> she is just spanglishing "tengo hambre" -> literally "I have hunger"
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> spansglish
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> hahah
�06[08:42] * Trashlord is listening to Portishead - Roads (5:05)
[08:42] <GoofyGirl> XD
�06[08:43] * GoofyGirl is watching BANGTV channel
[08:43] <Trashlord> right well, I improve my English everyday, heh
[08:43] <Trashlord> it isn't my first language either
[08:43] <GoofyGirl> me too
[08:43] <GoofyGirl> me too
[08:44] <BobTheWikipedian> lol saw trashlord and thought it was ironholds
[08:44] <Trashlord> ironholds?
[08:44] <BobTheWikipedian> don't tell me you don't know ironholds
[08:44] <Trashlord> who (or what) is that?
[08:44] <BobTheWikipedian> i said don't tell me
[08:45] <Trashlord> ok
[08:45] <GoofyGirl> :p
[08:45] <Trashlord> will telling you that I do know ironholds make you feel better?
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[08:45] <BobTheWikipedian> yes
[08:45] <GoofyGirl> XD
[08:45] <mareklug> BobTheWikipedian a post-Ironholds snit generation has risen
[08:45] <Trashlord> well duh, of course I know ironholds
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[08:45] <BobTheWikipedian> wha? ironholds is post now?
[08:46] <mareklug> the epoch divides neatly on before and after Ironholds' snit on this channel
�06[08:46] * BobTheWikipedian looks up "snit"
[08:46] <Trashlord> so who's Ironholds?
[08:46] <Trashlord> some old admin?
[08:46] <GoofyGirl> what is snit
[08:47] <BobTheWikipedian> A U.S. unit of volume for liquor equal to 2 jiggers, 3 U.S. fluid ounces, or 88.7 milliliters.
[08:47] <Trashlord> look it up in wiktionary
[08:47] <BobTheWikipedian> A beer chaser commonly served in three-ounce servings in highball or juice glasses with a Bloody Mary cocktail in the upper midwest states of United States including Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Illinois.
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[08:47] <BobTheWikipedian> A temper; a lack of patience; a bad mood.
[08:47] <BobTheWikipedian> all of which work for him
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�06[08:47] * GoofyGirl brings her blanket
�06[08:47] * GoofyGirl zzz
[08:48] <BobTheWikipedian> i take it this means he is no longer around?
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[08:50] <mareklug> he just does not come here (except in passing)
[08:50] <BobTheWikipedian> did he resign?
[08:51] <mareklug> resign from this channel, in a manner of speaking
[08:51] <BobTheWikipedian> oh i meant from the foundation
[08:51] <mareklug> hell no
[08:51] <BobTheWikipedian> ah. just doing his job differently i take it
[08:52] <mareklug> for all I know he is doing his job the same way as always.  he just does  not socialize here no more
[08:52] <BobTheWikipedian> gotcha that makes sense
[08:52] <BobTheWikipedian> irc does make it difficult to perform other work-related tasks
[08:52] <mareklug> oh he is on other irc channels
[08:53] <BobTheWikipedian> well it's one fewer channel to watch
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[08:54] <BobTheWikipedian> trashlord ironholds is a british contractor on the engineering team with the foundation
[08:55] <BobTheWikipedian> quite spunky
[08:55] <BobTheWikipedian> wb hahc21
[08:55] <Hahc21> thanks
[08:55] <Fluffernutter> ironholds doesn't come in here any more basically because anything said in here is pretty well guaranteed to be logged by one troll or another and usually then dumped on the internet to be searchable
[08:55] <legoktm> omg its BobTheWikipedian!
[08:56] <BobTheWikipedian> might not be, check the cloak and make sure it matches the one on his userpage
[08:56] <GoofyGirl> °_°
�06[08:56] * GoofyGirl eats
[08:57] <BobTheWikipedian> haha fluff i was thinking about awakening you last night but opted to let you have your peace
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[08:58] <BobTheWikipedian> lol...speaking of blackmailing...i participated in the wikiwomen twitter thing the other day...
[08:58] <BobTheWikipedian> i asked a question about their successes, and they said "wikipedia, or the feminist movement?"
[08:58] <legoktm> …haahaha
[08:59] <BobTheWikipedian> i tweeted back "@wikiwomen Feminist movement, yes."
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[08:59] <BobTheWikipedian> that i deleted it later
[08:59] <GoofyGirl> Lol
�06[08:59] * GoofyGirl looking for @wikipedia on Twitter
[08:59] <BobTheWikipedian> i mean i have my thoughts but i don't need them publicized
[09:00] <BobTheWikipedian> not unintentionally anyway
[09:01] <BobTheWikipedian> wikia retweeted my tweet without hitting retweet, what's up with that?
[09:01] <BobTheWikipedian> talk about plagiarism...
[09:01] <KimiNewt> Jeez
[09:01] <GoofyGirl> -_-
[09:01] <KimiNewt> Anyone here watch Downton Abbey?
[09:01] <BobTheWikipedian> my mom wants to
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[09:01] <BobTheWikipedian> and wants me to
[09:01] <GoofyGirl> Who is that
[09:01] <KimiNewt> It's alright
[09:02] <KimiNewt> A bit soap opera-like
[09:02] <BobTheWikipedian> anyone watch grimm?
[09:02] <GoofyGirl> what is that
[09:02] <KimiNewt> Just a TV show
[09:02] <BobTheWikipedian> police vs werewolves and witches
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[09:03] <BobTheWikipedian> fun stuff
[09:03] <GoofyGirl> anyone watch Bonanza
[09:03] <GoofyGirl> is a old tv serie
[09:03] <BobTheWikipedian> moonriddengirl used to watch grimm, i wonder if she still does
[09:03] <GoofyGirl> on TCM
[09:03] <GoofyGirl> :P
[09:04] <JohnLewis> Greetings Wikipedians! (or whoever is currently here...)
[09:04] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[09:04] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm away
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[09:06] <BobTheWikipedian> what the...okay, isn't caucasian a demonym for a people of russia?
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[09:09] <addshore> does anyone know if there is a global confirmed permission?
[09:09] <iDangerMouse>
[09:10] <BobTheWikipedian> riddle me this...a man is from iran. iran is part of caucasus and part of asia. is he caucasian or asian?
[09:10] <iDangerMouse> BobTheWikipedian: long time
[09:10] <BobTheWikipedian> hello idangermouse
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[09:11] <iDangerMouse> How are you BobTheWikipedian ?
[09:12] <BobTheWikipedian> doing well and you?
[09:12] <iDangerMouse> I am okay, thanks.
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[09:13] <BobTheWikipedian> is an iranian a caucasian or an asian?
[09:13] <mimi> asian
[09:13] <mimi> :p
[09:14] <BobTheWikipedian> but iran is part of caucasus
[09:14] <iDangerMouse> Some parts
[09:14] <iDangerMouse>
[09:14] <JohnLewis> addshore: Why are you looking for a global confirmed permission?
[09:15] <mimi> I will upload this video to Wikinews
[09:15] <mimi>
[09:16] <iDangerMouse>
[09:16] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm glad i'm not from iran...
[09:16] <mimi> me too
[09:16] <iDangerMouse> BobTheWikipedian: Because?
[09:17] <BobTheWikipedian> it would make determining my race difficult
[09:17] <mimi> what do you think guys
[09:17] <iDangerMouse> I am Iranian, Indian, Pakistani, and French mix.
[09:17] <mimi> >_<
[09:17] <mimi> cool
[09:17] <iDangerMouse> Race is irrelevant to me.
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[09:18] <BobTheWikipedian> i am hoosier/hessian/kentuckian/bavarian/prussian/holy roman empire/ohioan/alsatian/limburgian/english american/hollander mix
[09:18] <mimi> Hahc21: what do you think about this
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[09:18] <mimi> :?
[09:18] <Hahc21> Hmm Let me see
[09:18] <mimi> :) ok
[09:19] <BobTheWikipedian> i wonder what demonym applies to the holy roman empire...holy roman?
[09:19] <mareklug> kraut
[09:20] <BobTheWikipedian> haha then i am one-third kraut
[09:21] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: Hello
[09:21] <iDangerMouse> Hahc21: Got a moment in pm ?
[09:21] <mareklug> hi there, mr. careful eater
[09:21] <Hahc21> Yes iDangerMouse
[09:23] <Hahc21> Nobody could have stopped that guy mimi?
[09:23] <mimi> Hahc21: No,this was about 2 days ago
[09:23] <mimi> Hahc21: and police is not there
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[09:24] <mimi> They arrived later
[09:24] <mimi> after fight
[09:25] <mimi> Did you see the stone to the face? Hahc21
[09:25] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: I managed to win my case against the Canadian immigration :)
[09:26] <mareklug> no more malay education?
[09:26] <mimi> and this is part  2 Hahc21
[09:26] <mimi> I'm afraid
[09:26] <mimi> :S
[09:26] <mimi> it's a cruel scene
[09:26] <Hahc21> oh
[09:26] <Hahc21> damn
[09:26] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: well, I have to be student for like a year and half till they issue the visa, so it's all good.
[09:27] <mimi> Hahc21: lol
[09:27] <mareklug> but you could be a student in Pakistan
[09:28] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: Exactly, and I am getting 50% discount :)
[09:28] <mareklug> so what are you studying and where?
�06[09:29] * mimi pulls Dcoetzee tail
�06[09:29] * Dcoetzee yelps
[09:29] <Dcoetzee> mimi: Bad girl :-P
[09:29] <mimi> o.o
�06[09:29] * mimi steals Dcoetzee
[09:29] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: A random university, just to be "a student" to save some money, and then I'll finish everything at either Waterloo or McGill
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[09:30] <Hahc21> Hey Dcoetzee, you came now that I have forgotten why I needed you
[09:30] <Hahc21> xD
[09:31] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Yup! I'm here to save the day, just a little bit too late.
[09:31] <mimi> lol
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[09:31] <iDangerMouse> Tiptoety: Helllooooo
[09:32] <Hahc21> Oh yes
[09:32] <Hahc21> I have some flickr files on Commons that need deletion
�06[09:32] * mimi pulls Hahc21 ear
[09:32] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: I'm your person
[09:32] <Hahc21> They didn't pass the license review
[09:32] <Dcoetzee> Files that don't pass license review usually get deleted quickly enough anyway though
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[09:32] <Hahc21> Those have been there for a while :/
[09:33] <Hahc21> This one has 11 days
[09:33] <Hahc21>
�06[09:33] * mimi drinks Sprite
[09:34] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Looks like the whole category hasn't been dealt with
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[09:35] <Tiptoety> iDangerMouse: Hi/
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[09:39] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: getting it for 770 USD yes or no ?
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�06[09:44] * mimi is watching Big Momma's House  3
[09:44] <mimi> :D
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[09:51] <Hahc21> Oh
[09:51] <mimi> oh
[09:51] <Hahc21> Ineed
[09:52] <Hahc21> the whole category is there awaiting
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[09:52] <iDangerMouse> What category ?
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[09:53] <iDangerMouse> Hellloooooooo GorillaWarfare
[09:53] <GorillaWarfare> Gmorning
[09:53] <mimi> :o
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[09:55] <iDangerMouse> How are you GW ?
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[09:55] <GorillaWarfare> Doing well!
[09:55] <GorillaWarfare> Enjoying my day foff
[09:55] <GorillaWarfare> *off
[09:55] <mimi> lol
[09:56] <iDangerMouse> Lucky you.
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�06[09:56] * GorillaWarfare shrugs
[09:56] <GorillaWarfare> Spose so
[09:57] <iDangerMouse> :P
[09:58] <iDangerMouse> GW, didn't get time to do the maps yet, was busy my case, and my laptop is giving me issues, have to get a new one in a week or so.
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[10:01] <GorillaWarfare> Oh no :/
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[10:01] <iDangerMouse> yep :(
[10:02] <mimi> :p
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[10:02] <mimi> whats up with your laptop iDangerMouse
[10:02] <cheeseduck> Do the kids in Americans schools actually bring "lunch money" and pay for the lunch every day? The classic "joke" is that the bullies steal that money every day from the weak kids.
[10:02] <cheeseduck> Wouldn't it make far more sense for the parents to get a bill sent home or something annualy?
[10:02] <iDangerMouse> Wouldn't know, don't live in U.S.
[10:03] <GorillaWarfare> cheeseduck: Depends, I'd guess. In my school system, you deposited however much money, and you would enter a PIN to buy lunch
[10:03] <mimi> cheeseduck: i dont pay for my food
�06[10:03] * mimi in her school,food is free
[10:04] <iDangerMouse> I suppose, kids are using NFC nowadays to pay for food :P would be cool.
[10:04] <BobTheWikipedian> gahhhhhhhh.
[10:04] <iDangerMouse> Touch your phone, pay for it :D
[10:04] <cheeseduck> NFC?
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[10:04] <mimi> what is NFC
[10:05] <cheeseduck> I guess the bullies can still steal the food...
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[10:05] <iDangerMouse> cheeseduck: Lemme give a link, will explain it.
[10:06] <iDangerMouse> cheeseduck: that's how I paid my ticket last week :D
[10:06] <mimi> do not steal food, here now is fashion to launch food
[10:06] <cheeseduck> Terrible. :|
�06[10:07] * mimi shrugs
[10:07] <cheeseduck> Cashless society = 1984.
[10:07] <iDangerMouse> Anyway, I am going to bed.
[10:07] <iDangerMouse> Good night.
[10:07] <mareklug> you weren't even born in 1884
[10:07] <mareklug> 1984
[10:07] <mimi> good night
[10:07] <cheeseduck> "OK"
[10:08] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: you didn't answer my question :P
[10:08] <mimi> >_<
[10:08] <cheeseduck> That's because he's a retard.
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[10:09] <BobTheWikipedian> question. how can wikipedia help kids under 13?
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[10:09] <iDangerMouse> Sorry, Bob I am really hungry, and sleepy not answering that right now :)
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[10:10] <BobTheWikipedian> because i just realized this librarian position is for grades k-5
[10:10] <BobTheWikipedian> :P
[10:10] <mareklug> iDangerMouse i was afk.  anyway, it is hard to get excited about a windows 8 tablet, let alone pay 800 for one
[10:10] <iDangerMouse> It's  laptop! :P
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[10:11] <iDangerMouse> And Windows 8 tablets are rubbish.
[10:12] <geniice> 	BobTheWikipedian simple wikipedia?
[10:12] <BobTheWikipedian> simple wikipedia isn't for kids, it's for esl
[10:12] <geniice> BobTheWikipedian there is also the old project
[10:13] <BobTheWikipedian> actually, should edit it
[10:13] <iDangerMouse> Kids below 13 editing it?
[10:13] <iDangerMouse> O_O
[10:13] <BobTheWikipedian> if there could be an offline version...
[10:13] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
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[10:15] <JohnLewis> Oh Windows 8 did I hear?
[10:15] <iDangerMouse> Remove the pics, and the audio files, just the text, then possible, 32Gb offline Wikipedia tablet. I presume, even that won't cover everything.
[10:15] <iDangerMouse> JohnLewis: Yes, getting a laptop not sure if it's right, the price seems reasonable.
[10:15] <JohnLewis> Anyone who buys a Surface is basically pay 600 more for a removalable keyboard.
[10:15] <JohnLewis> I would stay clear of Windows 8.
[10:15] <mimi> iDangerMouse: Good night
[10:15] <wolfgang42> BobTheWikipedian: There is an offline version
[10:15] <BobTheWikipedian> i am on windows 8
[10:16] <BobTheWikipedian> but i use a desktop tower
[10:16] <JohnLewis> Windows 7 is probably the limit of their capabilities.
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[10:16] <iDangerMouse> JohnLewis: Explain
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[10:17] <russavia> does anyone remember the en.wp spoken article that was done in a fake (scottish??) accent some time ago?
[10:17] <mareklug> iDangerMouse you sure about that "770 USD" price?  is twice that (in Pakistan)
[10:19] <iDangerMouse> That price would mean 800 USD
[10:19] <iDangerMouse> I am getting it for 770 USD from Dubai
[10:19] <mareklug> google said 1480
[10:19] <iDangerMouse> Type 79000 PKR TO USD
[10:19] <mareklug> must be different Rs
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[10:21] <iDangerMouse> IR = Indian Rupees
[10:22] <iDangerMouse> Even RS
[10:22] <iDangerMouse> However they use RS for conversions, and in Pakistan they call it IR.
[10:23] <iDangerMouse> mimi please don't pm me without permission, thank you.
[10:23] <mimi> oh I only said "good night"
[10:23] <mimi> sorry.
[10:23] <mareklug> anyway, for 30 less, is it worth the risk of importing it?  it it were bought locally it could be returned/fixed under warranty easier
[10:24] <Vacation9> I need a second opinion over at #wikipedia-en-help
[10:24] <iDangerMouse> True, but is it reasonable?
[10:24] <iDangerMouse> Vacation9: Explain..
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[10:25] <Vacation9> iDangerMouse: What do you think of
[10:25] <iDangerMouse> clicks
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[10:25] <Hahc21> I don't see
[10:25] <Hahc21> Any source there
[10:25] <Hahc21> on that AFC
[10:25] <Hahc21> to state that it is notable
[10:25] <jakr> JohnLewis, is my article never going to be created because I can't think of an infobox
[10:26] <JohnLewis> It may possinly be created. I just recommended an infobox.
[10:26] <iDangerMouse> Thank goodness the troll has left the building.
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[10:26] <iDangerMouse> Not
[10:26] <Hahc21> Well, it looks a bit WP:NOT
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[10:26] <iDangerMouse> Vacation9: Sources need to be solid.
[10:26] <jakr> JohnLewis, i agree, but I can't think of an applicable one. One the template it says to consult before creating a new type of infobox
[10:27] <JohnLewis> Hold on.
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[10:27] <jakr> iDangerMouse, you mean mini?
[10:28] <iDangerMouse> Vacation9: I have an article, and like 50 maps, however, my sources are weak,need to work on it more. Then I'll request for a page creation.
[10:28] <iDangerMouse> jakr:  Oh yes.
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[10:29] <Vacation9> iDangerMouse: I know, it's not my AfC. I'm reviewing it. Thanks!
[10:29] <iDangerMouse> Sure
[10:29] <Hahc21> But I see it has been already failed
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[10:30] <iDangerMouse> Pratyya Ghosh declined it too, and does fairly good work.
[10:31] <Vacation9> iDangerMouse: Declined it as well.
[10:32] <iDangerMouse> Indeed.
[10:32] <JohnLewis> jakr: Infobox software works for mobile applications too. Just use the appropriate fields.
[10:32] <jakr> kkk
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[10:38] <iDangerMouse> jakr:  you're not related to slakr I hope.
[10:39] <priart> I just heard Melinda Gates on NPR "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" described as "focusing on
[10:39] <jakr> JohnLewis, oh kk
[10:39] <jakr> iDangerMouse, my fault my finger slipped
[10:39] <iDangerMouse> Okay :D
[10:39] <priart> ..." three things, two of which are articles I've spent several days improving
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[10:41] <priart> the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless AI:
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[10:42] <iDangerMouse> mareklug: Never mind, decided on Lenovo i7 same specs though, but better processor i7 for 780 CAD with tax :)
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[10:46] <JohnLewis> Vacation9: Mind taking a look at Jakr's article if you have time. I just did a quick clean up of Operating System but I am not reviewing any articles til February. Taking some time off from AfC :)
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[10:48] <GoofyGirl> someone can remove the reference 2
[10:48] <GoofyGirl> because I tried and it  not work
[10:48] <GoofyGirl> pleases
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[10:51] <Vacation9> JohnLewis: Could you post at #wikipedia-en-help? I'm mostly active there
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[10:51] <JohnLewis> Vacation9: Direct that too Jakr.
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[10:58] <MJ94|PMIfNeeded> lol
[10:58] <MJ94|PMIfNeeded> never loads
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[11:01] <Betacommand> MJ94: that would be because of its edit count
[11:01] <MJ94> Betacommand: I'm well-aware why :P
[11:01] <MJ94> Smart choice, too
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[11:02] <MJ94> or, if not purposely disabled, good idea
[11:02] <MJ94> s/idea/thing
[11:02] <MJ94> Yetanotherx: X!?
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[11:03] <legoktm> MJ94: yes thats him
[11:04] <MJ94> heh
[11:04] <MJ94> 2 + 2 does equal 4
[11:04] <legoktm> the reason it never loads is because the tool attemps to check all rows in the revision table attributed to that user
[11:04] <legoktm> which takes a while
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[11:05] <MJ94> legoktm: it probably nevr would load, would it?
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[11:09] <Shirik> MJ94: Only for average valuse of 2
[11:09] <MJ94> The_Blade: :D
[11:10] <The_Blade> Hey, how goes it?
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[11:10] <MJ94> The_Blade:
[11:10] <MJ94> :D
[11:10] <MJ94> bad mood fixed by little kid playing guitar
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[11:11] <The_Blade> Interesting stuff.
[11:11] <Hahc21> Hey The_Blade
[11:11] <The_Blade> Hello.
�06[11:12] * GoofyGirl mounts a pony
[11:12] <Hahc21> How are you?
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[11:12] <wolfgang42|busy> Ooh, a pony!
[11:12] <Hahc21> Hi MJ94
�06[11:12] * wolfgang42|busy feeds the pony a sugar cube
[11:12] <The_Blade> I'm doing just fine, yourself?
[11:12] <Hahc21> Great
[11:13] <Hahc21> Although a bit tired
[11:13] <Jeske_Couriano> *RAEG*
�06[11:13] * Jeske_Couriano muders the pony
[11:13] <Jeske_Couriano> *murders
[11:13] <The_Blade> Likewise; had work this morning, never fun.
[11:14] <GoofyGirl> :o
�06[11:14] * GoofyGirl gives a cake to Jeske_Couriano to sweeten life
�06[11:16] * MJ94 hands Jeske_Couriano a puppy
[11:16] <MJ94> look, Jeske
[11:16] <MJ94> he loves you
[11:16] <MJ94> <3
[11:16] <GoofyGirl> lol
�06[11:16] * Jeske_Couriano shoos the puppy away and ignores the cake.
�06[11:16] * MJ94 runs Jeske_Couriano in his power chair
[11:16] <MJ94> over*
�06[11:16] * GoofyGirl gets on the spacecraft
[11:16] <GoofyGirl> bye cruel world
�06[11:17] * MJ94 gets on the mac & cheese, Kraft
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[11:18] <Shirik> wtf just happened in here
�06[11:18] * GoofyGirl whistle
[11:18] <addshore> wonder what the youngest wikipedian is
[11:18] <IShadowed> 12 year olds
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[11:19] <MJ94> addshore: probably banned
[11:19] <addshore> youngest admin?
[11:19] <addshore> youngest crat? :P
[11:19] <MJ94> wolfgang42|busy: wow wtf why
[11:19] <MJ94> mine
[11:19] <addshore> I think it would be interesting to know
[11:19] <Demiurge1000> addshore: the lower range of editors tends to be 8 to 10, youngest admins have tended to be about 12
[11:19] <MJ94> I read that as youngest cat
[11:19] <MJ94> wtf 12
[11:19] <MJ94> at 12, I was…well
[11:19] <Shirik> i'm 12 and what is this
[11:19] <MJ94> saying
[11:19] <MJ94> hi im 12
[11:19] <MJ94> and
[11:19] <MJ94> what
[11:19] <MJ94> fu Shirik
[11:19] <Hahc21> Well, I had two Mediation cases on the closing stages
[11:19] <Hahc21> on es-wiki and it is a lot of work
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�06[11:20] * MJ94 strips
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> I am 9
[11:20] <MJ94> hellll yeahhhh
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> :|
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> XD
[11:20] <MJ94> GoofyGirl: i hope you're joking?
[11:20] <Tasmania> ...
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> o.o
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> No
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> :S
[11:20] <GoofyGirl> >_<
[11:21] <addshore> lets have some ages people! how old are you all? :P
[11:21] <MJ94> 18
[11:21] <MJ94> aka 5
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> well I am 89
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> happy¿
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> ¿¿
�06[11:21] * GoofyGirl died
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> start asking age for the first of the list
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> xd
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> ChanServ:
[11:21] <GoofyGirl> xd
[11:22] <D_> Oh god dead people talking
[11:22] <GoofyGirl> haha
[11:22] <MJ94> heh
[11:22] <MJ94> eh
[11:22] <GoofyGirl> loola
[11:22] <MJ94> can't tell if referring to michael jackson
[11:22] <MJ94> or
[11:22] <MJ94> if
[11:22] <MJ94> idk
[11:22] <MJ94> but
[11:22] <MJ94> I'm dead by association
[11:23] <GoofyGirl> lol
[11:23] <MJ94> ok guys ill bbl
[11:23] <MJ94> gotta go get my criminal minds on
[11:23] <MJ94> heyo
[11:23] <addshore> well i'm 19 :P
[11:24] <MJ94> addshore: :o
[11:24] <GoofyGirl> MJ94: I was flitting
[11:24] <GoofyGirl> :p
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�06[11:24] * GoofyGirl cant tell anyone her age
[11:24] <addshore> or am I 12 :O
[11:24] <GoofyGirl> XD
[11:24] <MJ94> 12
[11:24] <addshore> :/
[11:24] <MJ94> addshore: you're like me
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[11:24] <MJ94> mature sometimes
[11:24] <MJ94> immature most of the time
[11:24] <GoofyGirl> >_<
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[11:25] <MJ94> Vacation9|pmifne: lol
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[11:25] <GoofyGirl> o.o
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[11:25] <MJ94> Vacation|pmifnee: oops
[11:25] <MJ94> Vaca|pmifneeded: oops
[11:25] <GoofyGirl> hi  dear Hahc21 :D
[11:25] <MJ94> ok bbl
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[11:26] <Hahc21> wow
[11:26] <Hahc21> I was disconnected
�06[11:26] * GoofyGirl going eat corn flakes
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[11:29] <GoofyGirl> again
[11:29] <GoofyGirl> :o
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[11:42] <Yetanotherx> MJ94: ?
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[11:52] <mimi> Welcome back Hahc21 :D
[11:52] <The_Blade> ^
[11:52] <Hahc21> Thanks
[11:53] <Hahc21> HexChat was making a bit of a mess
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[11:53] <mimi> I have tried use Hexchat
[11:53] <mimi> and much problem to use it
[11:53] <mimi> I prefer use Chatzilla
[11:53] <mimi> >_<
[11:53] <Hahc21> Oh
[11:53] <mimi> or Irssi
[11:54] <mimi> but Irssi is little complicated
[11:54] <Hahc21> Well, I cba to move onto another program now
[11:54] <Hahc21> xD
[11:54] <mimi> :p
[11:54] <BobTheWikipedian> chatzilla wins
�06[11:54] * mimi user Irssi Chatzilla Quassel Hechat mIRC
[11:55] <mimi> and i dunno more
[11:55] <mimi> I have many programs
�06[11:55] * BobTheWikipedian runs chatzilla on seamonkey
[11:56] <mimi> I use it on Firefox 17
[11:56] <BobTheWikipedian> seamonkey 2.15, woot
[11:56] <BobTheWikipedian> the browser that didn't quite make it
[11:56] <mimi> I think Mozilla programs are the best
[11:56] <BobTheWikipedian> agreed
[11:56] <mimi> even better than Apple
[11:56] <mimi> :p
�06[11:56] * mimi shrugs
[11:57] <BobTheWikipedian> but chatzilla hasn't always been compatible with firefox so i run it on seamonkey instead
[11:57] <mimi> I mean to Colloky
[11:57] <mimi> or Colloki
[11:57] <mimi> XD
[11:57] <BobTheWikipedian> that way i don't have to rely on the chatzilla devs keeping up with the firefox devs
[11:58] <BobTheWikipedian> which they don't
[11:58] <mimi> I've downloaded chatzilla (last version) on the official page
[11:58] <mimi> I mean "
[11:58] <mimi> xd
[11:58] <BobTheWikipedian>  mine is 0.9.89, what's the latest?
[11:58] <mimi> mm let me see
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[11:58] <iDangerMouse> Hm
[11:59] <mimi> I gave up
[11:59] <mimi> >_<
[11:59] <mimi> I cant find
[11:59] <mimi> oh wait
[11:59] <BobTheWikipedian> help > about
[12:00] <mimi> BobTheWikipedian:
[12:00] <BobTheWikipedian> so wikipedian...
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[12:00] <iDangerMouse> BobTheWikipedian: Ummm, no
[12:00] <mimi> version you are using,is the last
[12:00] <BobTheWikipedian> okay
[12:00] <mimi> >_<
[12:01] <BobTheWikipedian> idangermouse eh you're right, wikipedians normally tell each other WHAT to look up rather than providing the link
[12:01] <mimi> and mine is
[12:01] <mimi> 9.66
[12:01] <SigmaWP>
[12:01] <iDangerMouse> Indeed.
[12:01] <SigmaWP> This guy is retarded
[12:01] <mimi> lol
[12:01] <BobTheWikipedian> i am retarded
[12:01] <mimi> XD
[12:01] <iDangerMouse> Clicks
[12:01] <SigmaWP> BobTheWikipedian: Can you delete
[12:01] <BobTheWikipedian> possibly, got a reason?
[12:01] <iDangerMouse> Haha
[12:02] <BobTheWikipedian> idangermouse laughs at the retarded guy :(
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[12:02] <MJ94> >_>
[12:02] <SigmaWP> A7
�06[12:02] * mimi feels strange
[12:02] <BobTheWikipedian> logging in now...
[12:03] <iDangerMouse> Not at you Bob, at what SigmaWP posted.
[12:03] <BobTheWikipedian> dundundunnnnn
[12:03] <BobTheWikipedian> haha mouse i know ;)
[12:04] <MJ94> BobTheWikipedian: if you wanna delete that as a hoax by a sock puppet (see SPI), please don't hesitate to
[12:04] <MJ94> :D
[12:04] <iDangerMouse> lol
[12:04] <iDangerMouse> Joy of being an admin and being on IRC. :D
[12:04] <MJ94> iDangerMouse: ++
[12:04] <BobTheWikipedian> spi?
[12:04] <MJ94> o_o
[12:05] <MJ94> yes
[12:05] <MJ94> spi
[12:05] <mimi> >_<
[12:05] <MJ94> >_<
[12:05] <BobTheWikipedian> spi?
[12:05] <MJ94> yes
[12:05] <MJ94> spi
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[12:05] <BobTheWikipedian> spi.
[12:05] <MJ94> [[WP:SPI]]
[12:05] <MJ94> >_>
[12:05] <BobTheWikipedian> ah
[12:05] <MJ94> ...
[12:05] <iDangerMouse> ...
[12:05] <iDangerMouse> See thats a Wikipedian :D
[12:05] <MJ94> an admin, too!
[12:05] <MJ94> :D
[12:05] <BobTheWikipedian> can you link me to the relevant WP:SPI?
[12:06] <MJ94> no
[12:06] <MJ94> hold on
[12:06] <BobTheWikipedian> well is that a no or a hold on?
[12:06] <MJ94>
[12:06] <BobTheWikipedian> thanks
[12:06] <MJ94>
[12:06] <MJ94> sorry
[12:07] <The_Blade> I zapped a similar page a few days ago.
[12:07] <MJ94> The_Blade: yes you did
[12:07] <MJ94> but note only one of his articles is a hoax
[12:07] <MJ94> he's sneaky
[12:07] <The_Blade> Ah, one of those...
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[12:08] <iDangerMouse> Well MJ94 retards create those
[12:08] <MJ94> The_Blade: If he put the effort he does into his real looking fake pages for a real page
[12:08] <MJ94> and
[12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> looks like the investigation is underway yet
[12:08] <MJ94> retarded ≠ stupid
[12:08] <MJ94> BobTheWikipedian: uh, no
[12:08] <MJ94> investigation is done
[12:08] <MJ94> :P
[12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> today's the 19th
[12:08] <MJ94> DQ zapped him yesterday
[12:08] <MJ94> well
[12:08] <MJ94> this morning
[12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> ah sorry, retarded does = stupid in this case
[12:08] <iDangerMouse> Even Dennis is on this cool
[12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> yes it is closed
[12:09] <MJ94>  Confirmed when taking everything into account.  No comment with respect to IP address(es). Can probably just duck it next time if we see similiar behavoir. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 08:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
[12:09] <MJ94>  Administrator note: Unistre34 blocked and tagged. The IPs seem likely to be the same person, but I haven't blocked them since it's likely he's already under a different address by now. Jafeluv (talk) 12:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
[12:10] <SigmaWP>{%7Bdated%20prod%20blp.*%7D%7D%0A*.*%3E&amreplace=%20&amlocal=1&amsummary=Remove%20BLP%20prod&amautosave=yes
[12:10] <SigmaWP> index.php is so powerful :o
[12:10] <BobTheWikipedian> dun dundun dun
[12:10] <MJ94> :D
[12:10] <MJ94> thanks BobTheWikipedian
[12:10] <BobTheWikipedian> "2014 EAFF U-20 East Asian Cup" has been deleted (view | salt). See the deletion log for a record of recent deletions.
[12:10] <BobTheWikipedian> absolutely
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[12:11] <BobTheWikipedian> ah, the life of an admin :) at least these are easy chores today
[12:11] <MJ94> BobTheWikipedian: :)
[12:12] <The_Blade> Well, I'd rather be able to do it myself than have to ask someone, so it's not all bad.
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[12:12] <MJ94> No admin is ever on at 3 am when I need one
[12:12] <MJ94> We need an Admin on Call®
[12:12] <MJ94> !aoc
[12:12] <iDangerMouse> O_O
[12:12] <MJ94> and then someone will andwer
[12:13] <MJ94> answer
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[12:13] <MJ94> I could have just said !*admin, but I didn't wanna piss off the sleepy admins
[12:13] <BobTheWikipedian> a more difficult chore i've had recently was "can you help me integrate the english wikipedia's taxonomy, conservation status, and temporal range systems into the norwegian wikipedia's taxobox?"
[12:13] <PeterSymonds> MJ94, what's up?
[12:13] <MJ94> PeterSymonds: My IQ
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[12:13] <MJ94> badabing
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[12:13] <MJ94> PeterSymonds: Not much, you?
[12:13] <PeterSymonds> You wish.
[12:13] <mareklug> MJ94 at 3am Duluth time it is 7pm in Australia.  Plenty of ozzie admins around
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[12:14] <BobTheWikipedian> which i did, though he sort of forgot to take it to the community afterward to introduce it to them, so it's still sitting there today unused
[12:14] <MJ94> mareklug: >_>
[12:14] <PeterSymonds> Same. I thought you wanted an admin.
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[12:14] <MJ94> PeterSymonds: Oh, no. I made BobTheWikipedian do the work
[12:14] <MJ94> PeterSymonds: thanks though
[12:14] <PeterSymonds> Even better.
[12:14] <BobTheWikipedian> peter it was hard work
[12:14] <MJ94> ;)
[12:14] <Gfoley> The one time Peter was nice
[12:14] <MJ94> ^
[12:14] <PeterSymonds> I know, right?
[12:14] <BobTheWikipedian> sockpuppets and such
[12:14] <GoofyGirl> lol
[12:14] <iDangerMouse> Peter was nice ?? Really?
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[12:15] <iDangerMouse> Hey Pharos
[12:15] <BobTheWikipedian> pharos is here?
[12:15] <MJ94> Peter's good to me becausee I do all his work at WP:ACC
[12:15] <MJ94> because*
[12:15] <PeterSymonds> That's right.
[12:15] <MJ94> ;)
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[12:15] <iDangerMouse> Peter is good to me, I usually send users his way when they need an admin :P
[12:15] <MJ94> iDangerMouse: stop it, his ego is growing
[12:16] <PeterSymonds> and I tell them that I'm not an admin and go back to sleep.
[12:16] <BobTheWikipedian> what a thoughtful way to return the favor, mouse :P
[12:16] <MJ94> lol'd
[12:16] <iDangerMouse> Admin on Call :D
[12:16] <MJ94> My idea.
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[12:16] <MJ94> ®
[12:16] <The_Blade> That's usually me when I'm on IRC.
[12:16] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: !
[12:16] <BobTheWikipedian> you registered it?
[12:16] <esy> iDangerMouse!
[12:16] <esy> Long time no see :P
[12:17] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare is technically my admin friend
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[12:17] <MJ94> I've had her do more for me on wiki than anyone else
[12:17] <MJ94> <3 GW
[12:17] <BobTheWikipedian> oh yay, i hear dad in the attic
[12:17] <MJ94> but The_Blade is a bro, too
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[12:17] <BobTheWikipedian> time for recluse season again
[12:17] <PeterSymonds> What did you lock him up there for?
[12:17] <MJ94> BobTheWikipedian: o_O
[12:17] <Dcoetzee> "Dad in the Attic" sounds like a great band name
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[12:17] <BobTheWikipedian> any time he goes up there he wakes the recluses
[12:17] <The_Blade> Or a song name.
[12:17] <MJ94> Or a porno
[12:17] <BobTheWikipedian> haha derrick
[12:18] <iDangerMouse> MJ94: your girlfriend is here.
[12:18] <The_Blade> Oh fun; sure that's a barrel of laughs.
[12:18] <MJ94> iDangerMouse: I doubt it
[12:18] <iDangerMouse> I know :D
[12:18] <MJ94> Considering she's in Nisswa
[12:18] <MJ94> and doesn't IRC
[12:18] <MJ94> :)
[12:18] <BobTheWikipedian> on the internet, no one knows you're a dog
[12:19] <MJ94> mother effing moo
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[12:19] <MJ94> ihaveamac
[12:19] <MJ94> as well
[12:19] <MJ94> System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch Retina Mid-2012) • CPU: Intel Core i7-3720QM (8 Cores) @ 2.60 GHz • L2: 262.14 KB • L3: 6.29 MB • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 1 Day • Disk Space: Total: 499.42 GB; Free: 184.26 GB • Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 (Retina Enabled) • Load: 6% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8.2 (Mountain Lion) (Build 12C3006)
[12:19] <MJ94> see
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[12:19] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare.
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[12:20] <GorillaWarfare> Hey
[12:20] <mimi> hi
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�06[12:20] * MJ94 vows never to go through RfA so he never has to stop making other people do his work
[12:20] <The_Blade> OK, those people who are IRC regulars may have some familiarity with the problems I have with how our articles on transgender people are written...
[12:20] <mimi> :o
[12:20] <MJ94> o_O
[12:20] <GorillaWarfare> o/
[12:20] <BobTheWikipedian> actually no
[12:20] <MJ94> The_Blade: please elaborate
[12:20] <BobTheWikipedian> please enlighten us
[12:21] <iDangerMouse> {{semi-retired}} havent been on it for ages.
[12:21] <MJ94> as I am an IRC regular and have no idea what you're getting to
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[12:21] <The_Blade> I don't especially like the fact that our MOS insists we retroactively give people sex changes.
[12:21] <BobTheWikipedian> i am too...i just take long frequent breaks
[12:21] <MJ94> Gfoley4: What happened to the first 3 Gfoleys?
[12:21] <BobTheWikipedian> wait, explain that blade
[12:21] <iDangerMouse> I don't get it either.
[12:21] <The_Blade> Read the article on
[12:22] <BobTheWikipedian> i don't like to read
[12:22] <MJ94> ^
[12:22] <The_Blade> Palmer was "David Palmer" as a member of Jethro Tull, and remained that until 2003.
[12:22] <MJ94> tl;dr
[12:22] <BobTheWikipedian> what he said
[12:22] <BobTheWikipedian> "and remained that"?
[12:23] <mareklug> basically dee palmer was a boy up until when he became she, but in the bio we have to call him a her even for when she was a he
[12:23] <The_Blade> Thank you mareklug.
[12:23] <iDangerMouse> The_Blade:
[12:23] <MJ94> But she was a he at one point
[12:23] <MJ94> so he was a he
[12:23] <D_> I ran into an article recently that just didn't use one pronoun
[12:23] <SigmaWP> But now he's a she
[12:23] <BobTheWikipedian> um...why not treat it like you would treat a composer?
[12:23] <D_> and used the last name in every place instead
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[12:23] <MJ94> no
[12:23] <The_Blade> I've run into a case now where people are not only insisting on a retroactive sex change, but a retroactive /name/ change as well.
[12:23] <MJ94> she's a she
[12:23] <SigmaWP> Let's just call him a 'them', then
[12:23] <MJ94> it
[12:23] <The_Blade> D_; you're referring to Laura Jane Grace.
[12:23] <The_Blade> ?
[12:24] <BobTheWikipedian> in the opening, you'd say Jill Doe (born John Doe on 2-28-1900)...
[12:24] <D_> Uhh, no
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[12:24] <D_> but it seems somebody did the same thing there
[12:24] <The_Blade> Oh, because that was written the same way.
[12:24] <BobTheWikipedian> and throughout the article use whatever name and gender was applicable at that time
[12:25] <MJ94> I haven't responded to my girlfriend's text because of Wikipedia's distraction
[12:25] <MJ94> ...
[12:25] <MJ94> thats bad
[12:25] <The_Blade> BobTheWikipedian; I tried to get the MoS guideline changed, but some LGBT Wikiproject people managed to torpedo it.
[12:25] <D_> You mean you haven't responded to your girlfriend's distraction because of Wikipedia
[12:25] <MJ94> ^
[12:25] <ihaveamac> what MoS guideline?
[12:25] <MJ94> D_: I like you
[12:25] <BobTheWikipedian> bring in the wp legal folks
[12:25] <The_Blade> MOS:IDENTITY
[12:26] <BobTheWikipedian> they'll argue that she was a he until x point in time
[12:26] <The_Blade>
[12:26] <BobTheWikipedian> they would probably enjoy the challenge of dealing with them
[12:26] <BobTheWikipedian> there's a legal wikiproject, right?
[12:27] <The_Blade> I enjoy it myself; I particularly enjoy hearing how I'm prejudiced against LGBT people for *daring* to suggest we follow reliable sources instead of LGBT rags in our writing style.
[12:27] <The_Blade> Yeah, I believe there is.
[12:27] <BobTheWikipedian> heck ironholds is one of them actually...he loves law articles
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[12:27] <BobTheWikipedian> of course if i know him he's got a lot on his plate and doesn't need more
[12:28] <The_Blade> For the record, I have absolutely no problem with LGBT people, I simply value clarity over political correctness.
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[12:28] <BobTheWikipedian> this isn't about political correctness at all, it's about grammatical accuracy
[12:28] <MJ94> BobTheWikipedian: The_Blade race!
[12:28] <BobTheWikipedian> and historical accuracy
[12:29] <BobTheWikipedian> ?
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[12:29] <WilliamH_UK> anyone good with javascript here?
[12:29] <BobTheWikipedian> nope
[12:29] <addshore> no, but I wish i was :)
[12:29] <addshore> WilliamH_UK, what are you trying to do? :)
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[12:29] <The_Blade> MJ94; gone
[12:29] <MJ94> I wish I could understand Python; that's bad
[12:29] <WilliamH_UK> it's not particularly difficult
[12:29] <MJ94> The_Blade: winner!
[12:29] <MJ94> The_Blade: :)
[12:29] <SigmaWP> [12:29:21] �<�MJ94�>�� I wish I could understand Python; that's bad
[12:29] <The_Blade> No problem.
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[12:29] <WilliamH_UK> I'd like to create a form which, underneath, has clickable buttons to insert particular characters
[12:30] <MJ94> SigmaWP: explain it to me, oh smart one
[12:30] <SigmaWP> MJ94: You'll be eating your sarcasm in a second
[12:30] <MJ94> I understand 1-12, but 13 is lost on me
[12:30] <addshore> WilliamH_UK, might be worth checking the people in #wikipedia-userscripts
[12:30] <mareklug> WilliamH_UK like our edit window
[12:30] <WilliamH_UK> ah yes
[12:30] <The_Blade> BobTheWikipedian; the most recent place this has cropped up is Laura Jane Grace.  See
[12:30] <WilliamH_UK> mareklug yes
[12:30] <WilliamH_UK> good thinking guys
[12:31] <SigmaWP> MJ94: You can't be serious
[12:31] <MJ94> shut up
[12:31] <iDangerMouse> Speaking of Python, videos or tutorial
[12:31] <MJ94> both
[12:31] <iDangerMouse> For learning it
[12:31] <MJ94> I have both
[12:31] <MJ94> I'll send you my resources
[12:31] <MJ94> book and movies
[12:31] <BobTheWikipedian> of course it should be mentioned
[12:31] <MJ94> PM me
[12:31] <iDangerMouse> Okay, thanks
[12:32] <SigmaWP> Someone translate and delete it
[12:32] <BobTheWikipedian> if someone is doing genealogy research or other historical research, the former name is of utmost significance
[12:32] <SigmaWP> Or the other way around...
[12:32] <MJ94> SigmaWP: I understand exercises 1-12, not 13
[12:32] <SigmaWP> MJ94: x, y = 1, 2
[12:32] <SigmaWP> x == 1 is True
[12:32] <SigmaWP> y == 2 is True
[12:32] <MJ94> yes
[12:32] <SigmaWP> yes
[12:32] <MJ94> what's the purpose
[12:32] <iDangerMouse> I can translate it
[12:32] <MJ94> and what does that script do
[12:32] <SigmaWP> To assign multiple variables on one line
[12:32] <The_Blade> That's more or less what I've been trying to say, and I've had my arguments completely misrepresented.
[12:32] <SigmaWP> argv is a list
[12:32] <SigmaWP> So you unpack the list into those variables
[12:33] <iDangerMouse> Dr. Fatima bint Abdullah pharma ... began her career
[12:33] <SigmaWP> 1, 2, 3, 4
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[12:33] <SigmaWP> That's implicitly a tuple
[12:33] <SigmaWP> The parentheses are usually optional, implied, etc
[12:33] <iDangerMouse> At some Health Center
[12:33] <BobTheWikipedian> honestly, though, i stay away from that area of the site...zoology is where i live
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[12:33] <iDangerMouse> SigmaWP: Want the full translation?
[12:34] <SigmaWP> iDangerMouse: yes
[12:34] <The_Blade> Yeah, most editors don't like dealing with the nasty stuff; that's part of what draws me to it.
[12:34] <BobTheWikipedian> too much drama in the pop culture section
[12:34] <SigmaWP> The_Blade:
[12:34] <SigmaWP> Thanks
[12:34] <The_Blade> Now /there's/ a place I don't normally touch.
[12:34] <BobTheWikipedian> any edit you make is seen as a political statement
[12:34] <SigmaWP> BobTheWikipedian: Even when they aren't on WP!
[12:34] <The_Blade> Him again?
[12:35] <SigmaWP> The_Blade: And too
[12:35] <BobTheWikipedian> ? sigma
[12:35] <SigmaWP> BobTheWikipedian: Any edit you make is seen as a political statement even when they aren't on WP
[12:35] <SigmaWP> :(
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[12:35] <iDangerMouse> Dr. Fatima bint Abdullah pharma  Ghraib, began her career at “الشويكة” Health Center, before moving to work in the health center “Majidiyah/Majidieh (in Farsi)” amid grief and sorrow people “الشويكة” who lost Pharmaceutical capable knew Bhananha patients
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[12:35] <BobTheWikipedian> you mean like making a new stub?
[12:35] <SigmaWP> iDangerMouse: Thanks
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[12:36] <iDangerMouse> Sure
[12:36] <BobTheWikipedian> or not getting around to them?
�06[12:36] * SigmaWP doesn't have the heart to explain
[12:37] <BobTheWikipedian> um....
[12:37] <BobTheWikipedian> nobody's that heartless
[12:37] <MJ94>
[12:37] <SigmaWP> iDangerMouse: ^
[12:37] <iDangerMouse> Fine
[12:37] <SigmaWP> Have fun
[12:37] <iDangerMouse> I'll translate that too
[12:38] <ihaveamac> I did the lazy way: google translate
[12:38] <iDangerMouse> Hang on
[12:38] <ihaveamac> should I post it on the talk page?
[12:38] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmm. the county public school system is running a state sex offender check on me
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[12:38] <iDangerMouse> That's Farsi its my mom's native language anyway
[12:39] <BobTheWikipedian> it's a shame when one man's actions require others to do hours of research that yield no fruit
[12:39] <The_Blade> I always love the commercials; if you really have to run a background check on everyone you meet, you should seriously reconsider the types of people you're spending time with.
[12:40] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
[12:40] <ihaveamac> I remember those commercials
[12:40] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah i remember a commercial like that
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[12:40] <BobTheWikipedian> i suppose it's the difference between living in the city and the country
[12:40] <BobTheWikipedian> i pull over to ask a guy with a stopped car if i can help him
[12:40] <ihaveamac> do I need to run a background check on EVERYONE I hang out with?
[12:41] <iDangerMouse> Where do you want the translation?
[12:41] <BobTheWikipedian> put it on Wikipedia:Main Page
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[12:42] <The_Blade> Heh.
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[12:42] <iDangerMouse> Just rephrase the google translate its not that bad to make sense out if it actually
[12:43] <The_Blade> I don't know how well Google translate handles Farsi, but it does /horrible/ with Japanese.
[12:43] <BobTheWikipedian> it doesn't know how to pronounce welsh
[12:43] <iDangerMouse> Its not so bad
[12:43] <BobTheWikipedian> and arabic grammar poses a giant problem for linguistic programmers
[12:44] <iDangerMouse> Khan Independence Football Club, founded in 1350 in the town of Khan, province of Golestan,.
[12:44] <BobTheWikipedian> maybe i should read the article i saw the other day on automated arabic translation problems
[12:44] <iDangerMouse> Well the guy's Farsi is a bit wrong :P
[12:44] <BobTheWikipedian> it might be a good read
[12:45] <iDangerMouse> Sounds like a teenager writing it
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[12:46] <BobTheWikipedian> i wonder what the non-roman alphabets would look like today if they were used as widely and evolved with technology like the roman characters have
[12:47] <BobTheWikipedian> arabic with serifs
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[12:48] <iDangerMouse> Hang on I sneezed like 6 times
[12:48] <iDangerMouse> need a tissue
[12:48] <BobTheWikipedian> bless you
[12:48] <D_> I'm trying to imagine if encoding standards would end up a bigger clusterfuddle than they actually are
[12:48] <iDangerMouse> Thank you!
[12:49] <BobTheWikipedian> probably
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[12:49] <BobTheWikipedian> i mean aren't there characters that aren't represented in 8 bits?
�06[12:50] * BobTheWikipedian feels dumb for asking that
[12:50] <D_> That's why we have unicode and UTF-8
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[12:50] <Enneadecagonafly> Oh, wait.
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[12:50] <BobTheWikipedian> 16 bits and 15 bits, right?
[12:51] <D_> But, we originally started out with the latin alphabet encoded in ASCII
[12:51] <D_> UTF-8 is actually variable length
[12:51] <D_> with clever ways of handling that
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[12:51] <iDangerMouse> ASCII art is still cool, well before the 3D Printers...
[12:51] <BobTheWikipedian> they didn't teach us about utf-8 in college
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[12:51] <BobTheWikipedian> :(
[12:51] <D_> My point is, we originally went with latin alphabet cause originally English was the prevailing language in the field
[12:52] <D_> If they had to support a bunch of different alphabets from the get go, maybe it wouldn't end up being just stuff tacked on top of existing stuff
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[12:53] <iDangerMouse> Well, sleeping pill is working
[12:53] <iDangerMouse> Night night
[12:53] <BobTheWikipedian> i love the international coding standard that says no matter what language the user or the programmer is, code variables, constants, and buzzwords should always be in english
[12:53] <BobTheWikipedian> night mouse
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[12:54] <KimiNewt> I never watched "Annie Hall"
[12:54] <KimiNewt> Should I watch it
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[12:55] <mimi> >_<
[12:55] <BobTheWikipedian> www.lmgtfy/"annie hall"+movie+reviews
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�01[12:56] Ironholds is ~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds * Jefferson Foxworthy
�01[12:56] Ironholds using Vilnius, Lithuania, EU
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[12:56] <BobTheWikipedian> oops bad link
[12:56] <BobTheWikipedian>
[12:57] <KimiNewt> I actually cherish your personal opinion
[12:57] <KimiNewt> if you own some sort of review site I'd love to read
[12:57] <BobTheWikipedian> i haven't seen it either
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Session Close: Sat Jan 19 12:58:00 2013

Session Start: Fri Feb 15 21:51:00 2013
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[21:51] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[21:51] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | No public logging | Cloak requests: | Vote in the Steward elections:�'
�03[21:51] * Set by RD on Sun Feb 10 06:23:38
[21:51] #wikipedia-en url is
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[22:30] <ihaveamac> ''Italic text''
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[22:39] <SigmaWP> Ks0stm: wanna read something for me?
[22:39] <Ks0stm> Which what?
[22:39] <SigmaWP> A poem
[22:39] <wctaiwan> LOL
�06[22:39] * wctaiwan ducks, goes back to hiding
[22:43] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: It's not mine!
[22:43] <wctaiwan> k
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[22:44] <Addihockey10> SigmaWP: In that case I'll read it
[22:44] <Addihockey10> (lol(
[22:44] <Addihockey10> what rhymes with capitalism
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[22:44] <SigmaWP> shit?
[22:45] <wctaiwan> awesome.
[22:45] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: that's an antonym, silly
[22:45] <Addihockey10> SigmaWP: I think you mean symonym.
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[22:45] <Addihockey10> synonym*
[22:45] <SigmaWP> Addihockey10: I meant synonym, but made note that it was wctaiwan who meant antonym
[22:46] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: English socialism.
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[22:46] <Addihockey10> DO THE HARLEM SHAKE
[22:46] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Chinese capitalism.
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[22:46] <Addihockey10> brb gotta game out
[22:46] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: chinese democracy*
[22:46] <SigmaWP> I wish :(
[22:46] <Addihockey10> spring break
[22:46] <Addihockey10> (and there's fucking snow)
[22:47] <wctaiwan>
[22:47] <Addihockey10> #Canadaproblems
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[22:52] <ItzExor> you're on spring break in feb?
[22:52] <ItzExor> that's why there's snow
[22:52] <ItzExor> you're supposed to take spring break in spring ;]
[22:53] <Addihockey10> lol
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[23:01] <MJ94> Addihockey10: no wonder you're addihockey
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�06[23:05] * The_Thing just turned 22 3 minutes ago :3
[23:06] <SigmaWP> Cool freaking beans.
[23:06] <D_> Congratulations on surviving 22 years
[23:06] <D_> Or happy birthday, as they say
[23:06] <Amqui> lol
[23:06] <BlastHardcheese> you whipper snappers
[23:06] <Amqui> congratulations, the Earth made one more turn around the Sun since you are born...
[23:07] <Amqui> completed*
[23:07] <MJ94> The_Thing: happy birthday, gimme cake
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[23:10] <Matthew_> Amqui: And 365 circles in the same place.
�02[23:10] * Logan_ (~Logan@wikimedia/Logan) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep�)
[23:10] <Matthew_> Well, 366, but meh :P :)
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[23:48] <Mr-ex777> hello
[23:50] <wctaiwan> hello
[23:50] <Mr-ex777> wctaiwan: Try typing "MY LITTLE PONY: FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC" In wingdings on microsoft word. remember to type it in capitals.
[23:51] <wctaiwan> nah
[23:51] <Mr-ex777> wctaiwan: why not
[23:52] <wctaiwan> playing wolfgame
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[23:57] <D_>
[23:57] <D_> I don't think this means anything.
Session Time: Sat Feb 16 00:00:00 2013
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[00:04] <Mr-ex777> D_: i guess it means the death of the internet is made by bronies
[00:04] <Mr-ex777> at least it's something suspicious
[00:04] <D_> Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
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[00:08] <Mr-ex777> D_: No?
[00:08] <D_> A shame
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[00:10] <Mr-ex777> D_: however, i am writing an unsignpost
[00:10] <Mr-ex777> which will have that
[00:12] <D_> Splendid
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[07:57] <Peter-C> ohai LtNOWIS-mobile
�06[07:57] * Carly Peter-C 
�06[07:57] * Peter-C Carly
[07:57] <Carly> :)
�06[07:57] * Carly runs away
[08:00] <Peter-C> :(
[08:00] <Vacation9> wow literally nobody chatted overnight
[08:01] <Vacation9> just a bunch of people leaving and joining
[08:01] <Carly> mmm
[08:01] <JohnLewis> Carly, Discovered a 5th Dimension? Or did all the previous problems disappear?
[08:02] <Carly> ...
[08:02] <JohnLewis> The fact you run everytime someone/something speaks.
�06[08:03] * Carly runs away
[08:03] <JohnLewis> :D 6th Dimension.
�06[08:03] * Carly stays
�06[08:04] * Carly punch JohnLewis 
�06[08:04] * Carly runs away
[08:04] <JohnLewis> Hm...
[08:04] <Carly> hp
[08:04] <Carly> xd
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[08:39] <Peter-C> 5-1-5-0 somebody called the po po
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[09:28] <MJ94> QueenOfFrance: poke
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�03[09:29] * Shirik sets mode: +b *!*@
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[09:29] <jeremyb_> Shirik's too fast
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[09:29] <IShadowed> twss
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�06[09:29] * Shirik thwacks IShadowed
[09:29] <MJ94> Can anyone here read Portuguese?
�06[09:29] * IShadowed hugs Shirik 
[09:30] <MJ94> Is there a non-notable person reason here?
�06[09:31] * MJ94 bashes head
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[09:36] <MBisanz> Moe_Epsilon: got an update for you on BN
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[09:45] <Lydia_WMDE> hey folks :)
[09:45] <Lydia_WMDE> Wikidata office hour in 2 hours
[09:45] <Lydia_WMDE> if you have questions about wikidata that's the place to be
[09:46] <Peter-C> I love IRC office meetings
[09:46] <Peter-C> No pants required.
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[09:59] <Lydia_WMDE> Peter-C: haha - as long as you don't let everyone know that's indeed fine ;-)
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[10:06] <PinkAmpersand> so, anyone ever heard of Angers, France?
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[10:09] <Peter-C> I posted "Just had the first relaxing Friday night of 2013..." as my FB status
[10:10] <Peter-C> I think 1/2 the people who liking it think something other than the truth...
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[10:17] <IShadowed> sup bitches
[10:17] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Mornin' :-P
[10:18] <IShadowed> good morning
[10:18] <Dcoetzee> Sleep well? :-)
[10:18] <IShadowed> indeed
[10:18] <Dcoetzee> That's good
[10:18] <Dcoetzee> I just discovered they're making 256 GB SD cards now :-S
[10:18] <IShadowed> excellent
[10:21] <Peter-C> 5-1-5-0 someone called the po po
[10:21] <Carly> o.o
[10:24] <Shirik> Dcoetzee: I get nervous about storing more than 200 pictures on a single card, tbh
[10:24] <Shirik> single point of failure is never fun
[10:24] <Dcoetzee> Shirik: True, but sometimes you're just away from a laptop for a while, or shooting a lot of video, or whatever
�06[10:24] * IShadowed rolls her eyes at the photography nerds, orders a hot chocolate and club sandwich
[10:25] <Shirik> IShadowed is jealous
[10:25] <IShadowed> Of?
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�06[10:26] * Dcoetzee brings and serves IShadowed's hot chocolate and sandwich
[10:26] <IShadowed> I meant I was literally ordering it here, but that works too
[10:26] <IShadowed> now who's the bitch
[10:27] <Peter-C> I'm really pissed the party last night had no drunks
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[10:27] <Peter-C> po po shut down a teenage party, relased all the kids to their parents, drunk.
[10:27] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: It varies ;-)
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[10:30] <IShadowed> Shirik doesn't know what I'm jealous of, apparently
[10:30] <IShadowed> I think this demonstrates my point
[10:30] <Dcoetzee> I think he just ran in fear
[10:30] <IShadowed> Probably.
�06[10:31] * IShadowed props her feet up on mareklug
[10:31] <Dcoetzee> Queen of the channel is here, apparently? :-P
[10:31] <IShadowed> Damn right.
�06[10:31] * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
[10:32] <mareklug> IShadowed it's ToAruShiroiNeko that's the Turk, ergo an ottoman
[10:32] <Carly> 9
[10:32] <Carly> SORRy
[10:32] <Carly> sorry*
[10:32] <Carly> xd
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[10:32] <Dcoetzee> mareklug: Clever
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[10:32] <IShadowed> he's too young to terrorize
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[10:33] <Carly> HI
[10:33] <Carly> :D
[10:34] <Carly> my zero do not work
[10:34] <Carly> :(
[10:34] <Dcoetzee> Zero?
[10:34] <Carly> yes
[10:34] <Carly> of the keyboard
[10:34] <Carly> and the ¿
[10:34] <Dcoetzee> Hmmmm
[10:34] <Carly> I am trying to clear
[10:34] <Carly> the keyboard hehe
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[10:35] <Dcoetzee> Carly: Can you use the zero on your numeric keypad instead?
[10:35] <Carly> nO
[10:35] <Carly> no*
[10:36] <Dcoetzee> Why not?
[10:36] <Carly> BECAUSEdotnot know
[10:36] <Carly> I dont kow
[10:36] <Carly> know*
[10:36] <Dcoetzee> Carly: Does your keyboard have a bunch of numbers arranged in a square on the far right hand side?
[10:36] <Carly> and the symbol ¿
[10:36] <Carly> yes
[10:36] <Carly> -_-
[10:37] <Dcoetzee> Okay, hit the key that says "Num Lock"
[10:37] <Dcoetzee> Or whatever
[10:37] <Dcoetzee> Then hit the 0 key in the bottom right
[10:37] <Dcoetzee> You should be able to get a zero
[10:37] <Carly> +
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[10:39] #wikipedia-en url is
[10:40] <Dcoetzee> 0 doesn't work?
[10:40] <mareklug> she's been hitting that 0 all the while.  with or without num lock.  what about the 0 on the key with shift )   ?
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[10:42] <Carly> uh
[10:42] <Carly> I know why it not work
[10:42] <Carly> xd
[10:42] <Dcoetzee> Carly: Try this: hold down the ALT key. Type "48" on your numeric keypad. Then release the ALT key.
[10:42] <Dcoetzee> You should get a 0
[10:42] <Zelest> I'm currently writing a crawler and it will of course support the robots.txt protocol.. However, seeing wikipedia is VERY big, what is the minimum crawl delay one may use when indexing wikipedia?
[10:43] <Dcoetzee> Zelest: Generally speaking, there is no good reason to crawl Wikipedia. You can just download the database dumps.
[10:43] <Dcoetzee> Unless you absolutely need to have the most recent changes, in which case you should download the database dump, and then track Special:RecentChanges
[10:43] <Carly> the keyboard is full of rubbish Dcoetzee
[10:43] <Zelest> Oh
[10:43] <Carly> -_-
[10:44] <Dcoetzee> Zelest:
[10:44] <Zelest> Well, I prefer having the latest changes, but downloading the database dumps for an initial crawl might be an idea.. assuming wikipedia supports headers like "if-modified-since" and such
[10:44] <Dcoetzee> Yup it does
[10:44] <Dcoetzee> After that, use this:
[10:44] <Dcoetzee> It will help you find recently modified pages easily
[10:44] <Zelest> Aah, lovely.. thanks! :-D
[10:45] <Dcoetzee> :-)
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[10:47] <IShadowed_> I return
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[10:47] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed_: Wb. I like the underscore, it suits you
[10:47] <IShadowed_> excellent
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[10:47] <mareklug> ¢•   <--- heeee  that's what alt 48 does on my keyboard (US Extended unicode)
[10:48] <Dcoetzee> That's not a zero :-)
[10:48] <mareklug> it seems to be some small cent value :) :)
[10:48] <mareklug> nearly zero
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[10:49] <Dcoetzee> Fun fact, before zeroes were written as circles they used to be written just as blank spaces
[10:49] <Dcoetzee> So 102 would be 1 2
[10:49] <Dcoetzee> But that got confusing so they started writing a dot in the middle
[10:49] <Dcoetzee> Like 1·2
[10:50] <Dcoetzee> And eventually it became a circle
[10:51] <mareklug> IShadowed_ I never inquired -- is the "I" and "i" perchance?  Making you an Apple design?
[10:52] <IShadowed_> That was the original intent, and then I scrapped it
[10:53] <mareklug> this would have worked: _iShadowed
[10:53] <IShadowed_> I could do iShadowed if I wanted
[10:53] <IShadowed_> but I hate apple
[10:53] <IShadowed_> so y'know
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[10:53] <mareklug> and why do you hate Apple?
[10:53] <IShadowed_> low quality crap, fans are annoying, etc
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[10:54] <Dcoetzee> I had a Mac. It needed replacement of major parts like 4 times before it broke irreparably.
[10:54] <IShadowed_> ^
[10:54] <Dcoetzee> It's the lowest quality hardware I've ever owned.
[10:54] <mareklug> which Mac was that?
[10:54] <Dcoetzee> Macbook Pro
[10:54] <mareklug> what year?
[10:54] <Dcoetzee> Don't remember.
[10:54] <IShadowed_> it's only popular because it's popular
[10:55] <IShadowed_> it "looks" sleek
[10:55] <Dcoetzee> These days I run OS X in a VM on my PC and I am happy
[10:55] <IShadowed_> but it's crap.
[10:55] <mareklug> My 1998 Powerbook G3 Series PDQ still runs, now current Debian as well as Mac OS 10.2.8 and Mac OS 9.2.2.
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[10:55] <Dcoetzee> There's always an element of chance. I'm not claiming my experience is representative. :-P
[10:56] <IShadowed_> I am!
[10:56] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed_: Cause you're vindictive :-P
[10:56] <IShadowed_> Wouldn't it be fucking hilarious
[10:56] <IShadowed_> if I grew up
[10:56] <IShadowed_> and became a diplomat
[10:56] <Dcoetzee> Heh
[10:56] <mareklug> In fact, I can still boot the 1988-vintage Mac Iici.  The only thing wrong with it is its hard disk.  All other parts work.  I can boot it from an Omega zip disk. :)
[10:56] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed_: Would certainly be ironic
[10:56] <IShadowed_> indeed
[10:56] <Dcoetzee> mareklug: You still have an Iomega Zip disk?
[10:56] <Dcoetzee> That is crazy
[10:57] <mareklug> I have two Zip drives, both work.
[10:57] <IShadowed_>
[10:58] <mareklug> like I said, the notion that Apple / Apple-derivative hardware is poky is not representative.  There were some bad macs, but historically that is an exception.
[10:58] <Dcoetzee> Even if my case were exceptional, I still think Mac hardware is radically overpriced.
[10:58] <Dcoetzee> You can get same specs for less money with a PC.
[10:58] <Dcoetzee> And reliability on average is not significantly different.
[10:59] <fwilson> Dcoetzee: agreed
[10:59] <mareklug> perhaps.  But I am typing these words on a 2008 original MacBook Air with SSD, and it is still like new.  It just runs one version of the OS older than current, Lion.
[10:59] <Dcoetzee> My Macbook Pro also had an annoying BIOS limitation that prevented me from using more than 3 GB of RAM
[10:59] <Dcoetzee> So I wasn't happy about that either
[11:01] <mareklug> Dcoetzee btw, I ended up replacing the logic board on the 2005 iMac and never ended up getting the (replacement) mini server 2011 we talked about.   It was a $150 + 60 labor operation, so...
[11:02] <mareklug> and then Adobe released CS2 for free, instantly equipping the 2005 mac with all kinds of useful software that runs *fast* on that machine
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[11:03] <Gfoley4> first upset of the day.. #21 Notre Dame falls to Providence
[11:04] <mareklug> I hope IU won't join the list.  that would be monumental, as they are 18.5 point favorites.
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[11:10] <mareklug> woooosh
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[11:11] <mareklug> IShadowed_ if I may recommend some not so crappy kind:  [[Annie (Norwegian singer)]]
[11:12] <IShadowed_> old
[11:12] <mareklug> woosh
[11:12] <IShadowed_> No, but I like her
[11:12] <IShadowed_> <3
[11:12] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed_: What dance music are you listening to at the moment?
[11:12] <IShadowed_> Too ashamed to admit
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[11:15] <Shipoopi> let me guess
[11:15] <Shipoopi> harlem shake?
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[11:16] <IShadowed_> No.
[11:17] <qq[IrcCity]> rr0, — what is "an exotic tom"?
[11:18] <Shipoopi> IShadowed_, lady gaga?
[11:18] <IShadowed_> No
[11:18] <IShadowed_> also
[11:18] <IShadowed_> I like Lady Gaga
[11:18] <IShadowed_> her music isn't entirely crap
[11:19] <Shipoopi> let me gues
[11:19] <Shipoopi> boy is a bottom
[11:19] <mareklug> qq[IrcCity] a typo for atom
[11:19] <Shipoopi> by william, detox & vicky vox
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[11:19] <rr0> qq[IrcCity], atom
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[11:20] <qq[IrcCity]> it's the first observed instance rr0 speaks.
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[11:23] <mareklug> qq[IrcCity]
[11:25] <mareklug> wooosh and plus foul
[11:25] <qq[IrcCity]> mareklug, failure.
[11:25] <mareklug> it is an example of another such.  what failure?
[11:25] <qq[IrcCity]> another which?
[11:25] <mareklug> "atom"
[11:29] <IShadowed_> Shirik,
[11:29] <IShadowed_> ..
[11:31] <Shirik> lol.
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[11:35] <Dcoetzee> Illicit rainwater?
[11:35] <mareklug> wooosh
[11:35] <Dcoetzee> Also... where does a guy store 13 million gallons of anything?
[11:35] <mareklug> wooosh
[11:35] <Shirik> in a man-made pond apparently
[11:36] <IShadowed_> I was trying to come up with some innuendo
[11:36] <IShadowed_> but I really couldn't
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[11:36] <BobTheWikipedian> heh...i broke wikipedia again
[11:36] <BobTheWikipedian> with a minor edit
[11:36] <mareklug> I bothered to look up the location of this Eagle Point, Oregon.  It ain't in the desert, it's fairly coastal.  So it's not like he is in a water-starved area
[11:36] <Shirik> proposal to ban BobTheWikipedian from making minor edits
[11:36] <IShadowed_>
�06[11:36] * IShadowed_ sniffles
[11:36] <BobTheWikipedian> shirik lol
[11:37] <IShadowed_> '''Oppose''' since it was proposed by Shirik. --~~~~
[11:37] <Shirik> proposal to ban IShadowed_ from opposing things
[11:37] <BobTheWikipedian> i love how youtube has these twitter-friendly links that save *3 characters*
[11:37] <JohnLewis> '''Support''' per Life ~~~~ :P
[11:37] <IShadowed_> proposal to ban Shirik from proposing to ban me from opposing things
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[11:38] <BobTheWikipedian> i can't vote since it would be a coi
[11:38] <JohnLewis> IShadowed@: That is a tough one.
[11:38] <Qcoder00> Google is now making me really pissed off
[11:38] <Dcoetzee> Mr. Rogers is seriously the Internet's like #1 respected figure
[11:38] <IShadowed_> I'm a tough cookie.
[11:38] <IShadowed_> Except when dunked in coffee.
[11:38] <JohnLewis> Why Qcoder00
[11:38] <Qcoder00> -is a djvu made from a PDF
[11:38] <Dcoetzee> They don't take no disrespect of him :-P
[11:38] <IShadowed_> Then not so much.
[11:38] <Qcoder00> The orignal PDF is sourced from Google.
[11:38] <BobTheWikipedian> derrick-- how so?
�03[11:38] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Shirik
[11:38] <IShadowed_> btw Shirik, I'm buying glitter hairspray.
�03[11:39] * Shirik sets mode: -o Shirik
[11:39] <Qcoder00> The latter pages of it have bad clipping in the PDF meaning the tops of pages are not visible
[11:39] <IShadowed_> ..
[11:39] <Shirik> apparently I already banned the guy I intended to ban ._.
[11:39] <BobTheWikipedian> oops late
[11:39] <IShadowed_> Professor_Goatse> FOr decorating that pretty asshole of yours?
[11:39] <BobTheWikipedian> actually, have you seen the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny?
[11:39] <IShadowed_> lols
[11:39] <Qcoder00> Does anyonw kno how the *&^%$ you fix a PDF file with badly postioned image clipping?
[11:39] <BobTheWikipedian> ^^dcoetzee
[11:39] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: Not sure what you're asking :-P
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[11:40] <Shirik> you get Adobe Acrobat
[11:40] <BobTheWikipedian> it's a music video
[11:40] <BobTheWikipedian> have you seen it
[11:40] <Qcoder00> Shirik: Are there any 'free' programs?
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[11:40] <mareklug> Qcoder00 first make sure it is not your peculiar PDF viewer artifact
[11:40] <JohnLewis> Qcoder00: Yiu pray that you didn't use Bing or Yahoo :P
[11:40] <Qcoder00> mareklug: I use Acrobat directly
[11:40] <Qcoder00> And it shows bad clipping as well
[11:40] <Qcoder00> (Acrobat Reader)
[11:41] <Qcoder00> But I can copy the wntire page image , so it's present in the original PDF
[11:41] <Shirik> acrobat != acrobat reader
[11:41] <Shirik> I don't know of any free ones
[11:41] <Qcoder00> Great
[11:41] <BobTheWikipedian> dcoetzee:
[11:41] <Shirik> Adobe's all like GIEF ALL UR MONIEZ
[11:41] <D_> I think they've been calling it just "Reader" for like 5 years now
[11:41] <Shirik> that's why acrobat reader is free
[11:41] <IShadowed> GIEF
[11:42] <Qcoder00> So Google gets away with uploading poor quality scans because 'it can'
[11:42] <Qcoder00> :(
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[11:42] <Dcoetzee> Acrobat is the PDF creator and editor
[11:42] <IShadowed> I think this was a Nazi salute
[11:42] <Qcoder00> <seethe>
[11:42] <mareklug> Shirik one can always manipulate PDFs on a mac in Preview.  There is other software for that too
[11:42] <Shirik> NOBODY LIKES MACS
[11:42] <Dcoetzee> Or you can hand edit them
[11:42] <Shirik> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[11:42] <Dcoetzee> They're human readable. Sort of.
[11:42] <Dcoetzee> No wait, that's Postscript
[11:42] <Dcoetzee> I dunno :-P
[11:42] <Qcoder00> SO basicly I am back to having to upload page scans manually and having to do my own OCR because Google has a Quality Control issue
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[11:43] <elkng> why pages are deleted like that one:, why not to move them instead of some other place or some archive, because sometimes its interesting to look at those deleted pages ?
[11:43] <mareklug> Shirik nobody?
[11:43] <Shirik> ok I have to go to a tournament
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[11:43] <Qcoder00> Great idea Google. Nice of you to upload scanned books, but cripple them by poor quality control
[11:43] <Dcoetzee> Shirik: I don't like Macs but I totally respect you liking them and think you should buy all the Macs you like. :-)
[11:43] <QueenOfFrance> Shirik: what of?
[11:43] <Shirik> elkng: If you want to look at it for some valid reason, admins can make it accessible to you
[11:43] <IShadowed> Shirik is all like
[11:43] <KimiNewt> a courmerant?
[11:43] <Shirik> they're archived to admins only
[11:43] <Qcoder00> Does anyone here have a copy of Acrobat?
[11:43] <KimiNewt> I don't want a courmerant
[11:43] <Dcoetzee> elkng: We used to have BJAODN
[11:43] <Dcoetzee> It got deleted
[11:43] <Dcoetzee> There used to be Deletionpedia
[11:43] <Dcoetzee> It went down
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[11:43] <Dcoetzee> In short, we did, but nobody maintained them
[11:43] <Shirik> QueenOfFrance: WoW TCG
[11:44] <QueenOfFrance> Shirik: oh :)
[11:44] <elkng> Shirik: that means they arn't actually deleted ? they are here and can be accessed ?
[11:44] <IShadowed>
[11:44] <IShadowed>
[11:44] <IShadowed> k
[11:44] <Qcoder00> Or alternativly is there anyone here that's able to take the source PDF for the Djvu, and shake it apart until it behaves?
[11:44] <Shirik> elkng: Correct, but only admins can see them
[11:44] <Dcoetzee> elkng: Administrators can always access deleted articles, unless they're oversighted, which is rare
[11:44] <D_> I think there's a bunch of things that can import pdfs
[11:44] <D_> like libreoffice
[11:44] <Shirik> actually there's only one deleted edit there
[11:44] <Shirik> that's weird
[11:44] <Qcoder00> D_: It's page scans in raster format...
[11:44] <QueenOfFrance> Shirik: where?
[11:44] <Qcoder00> + a textlayer I think
[11:44] <Shirik>
�06[11:44] * BobTheWikipedian proposes banning ishadowed for linkspam
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[11:45] <IShadowed> ...
[11:45] <D_> Well, if the issue is clipping, then importing may allow you to salvage whatever is there
[11:45] <Qcoder00> I would like to be able to fix the raster scan positioning
�06[11:45] * IShadowed proposes banning BobTheWikipedian for being under 13
�06[11:45] * Dcoetzee flips table at BobTheWikipedian?
[11:45] <Qcoder00> without loosing the text layer
[11:45] <QueenOfFrance> Shirik: it's 'cause the rest of the deleted stuff is at
[11:45] <Shirik> ah it was moved to
[11:45] <Shirik> yeah
[11:45] <Qcoder00> D_:Ifran view can import PDf, but it also imports the clipping glitch
�06[11:45] * BobTheWikipedian produces a birth certificate
[11:46] <IShadowed> what is BobTheWikipedian is Obama
[11:46] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: We haven't seen the long form birth certificate
[11:46] <Qcoder00> So can someone here tell me (other than using Acrobat) how the *&^5 you are supposed to fix Google's quality Control issues on a PDF?
[11:46] <D_> Get hired by them?
�06[11:46] * BobTheWikipedian produces a long form birth certificate
[11:46] <Qcoder00> D_: ROFL
[11:46] <IShadowed> "9 years of age"
[11:46] <IShadowed> as I suspected
[11:46] <BobTheWikipedian> :P
[11:46] <IShadowed> um
[11:46] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: If it's a PDF composed of images, you can export the images, and turn them into a new PDF...
[11:46] <JohnLewis> Qcoder00: Learn how to fix it?
[11:46] <IShadowed> so there's this dude next to me who just walked in singing
[11:47] <IShadowed> and not well
[11:47] <Qcoder00> Dcoetzee:  How?
[11:47] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Singing what?
[11:47] <IShadowed> Who knows
[11:47] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: I forget
[11:47] <BobTheWikipedian> ultimate showdown?
[11:47] <Qcoder00> Because a direct import to IfranView imports the glitch
[11:47] <BobTheWikipedian> because i'm singing that now
[11:47] <D_> That's a vital detail
[11:47] <Qcoder00> Wheras manuallycopying the image via the clipboard doesn/t
[11:48] <Qcoder00> Howver it's not possible in Ifran view seemingly to replace a PDF page via the clipboard
[11:48] <Qcoder00> and I am starting to  get to the point where it's easier to ask for new scans , than go through the hassle of trying to fix something that should not have been broken in the first place
[11:49] <Dcoetzee> I just found this template:
[11:49] <Lydia_WMDE> Wikidata office hour starts in about 10 mins in #wikimedia-office
[11:49] <Dcoetzee> This is awesome. It's a navigation template, in the shape of a keyboard
[11:49] <QueenOfFrance> lol
[11:49] <Dcoetzee> (for articles on individual keyboard keys)
[11:49] <Qcoder00> I think it's time people just Boycotted Google outright
[11:50] <Qcoder00> Quality Control issues, lack of responsivity
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[11:50] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: You may be overreacting just a little
[11:50] <Qcoder00> And an attitude problem
[11:50] <D_> For the record, I do not agree with this person's view of our benevolent Google overlords
[11:50] <Qcoder00> It isn't just these scas
[11:50] <D_> please don't send ninjas after me
[11:50] <Qcoder00> *scans
[11:50] <QueenOfFrance> Qcoder00: and if you boycott google, what are you going to use? Bing?
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[11:50] <Qcoder00> QueenOfFrance:  Of course...
[11:50] <D_> DuckDuckGo seems to be what everyone pushes lately
[11:50] <QueenOfFrance> lolz
[11:51] <Qcoder00> The issue isn't that Google is inherently bad, it's that
[11:51] <Qcoder00> : i) You can't reach a human
[11:51] <Qcoder00> ii) Quality control is non-existsnat
[11:51] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: We already discussed that
[11:51] <Dcoetzee> You can't reach a human at Google because if you could they'd be swamped with requests for support that they haven't allocated funds to handle and don't want to
[11:51] <Qcoder00> iii) You can't actually report quality control issues in a MEANINGFUL manner that get responded to...
[11:52] <IShadowed> lmao
[11:52] <IShadowed> quality control is not non-existant
[11:52] <Qcoder00> Dcoetzee:  If they aren't prepared to implement the approrpriate measures, they should not be offering the service
[11:52] <IShadowed> -a+e
[11:52] <D_> I guess for all their ability to filter content, their strategy for filtering user feedback is to redirect it all to /dev/null
[11:53] <D_> I can't blame them
[11:53] <D_> I just imagine AFT5
[11:53] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: That's certainly a position you could take. Now let's see if your competing startup which funnels its money into customer support instead of into improving search results outcompetes Google.
[11:53] <JohnLewis> D_ soon all we will be able to do is imagine. Not touch, look or use.
[11:53] <Qcoder00> Sorry, but this issue with scans is the straw that broke a camel's back
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[11:53] <Qcoder00> and I'm pissedoff
[11:53] <IShadowed> I'm sure they'll miss you
�06[11:53] * IShadowed rolls her eyes
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[11:54] <Dcoetzee> It's legitimate to criticise any company you like and try to persuade them to change their practices. But you won't get far without acknowledging the reality that the cost of opening a support desk would be immense and it has to be justified for them to do it.
[11:54] <Qcoder00> IShadowed: I'm seriously considering telling people I know not to use Google until it fundamentally changes it's attitude on a number of issues..
[11:54] <Shipoopi> whoa
[11:55] <Shipoopi> i managed to crash my 3d accelerator drivers
[11:55] <Shipoopi> lol
[11:55] <IShadowed> lmao
[11:55] <Dcoetzee> Shipoopi: Good job
�06[11:55] * Dcoetzee hires Shipoopi for driver testing
�06[11:55] * Shipoopi hires Dcoetzee for driver testing
[11:55] <Qcoder00> Even something as simple as having a button for reporting Quality Control issues would be progress.
[11:55] <Shipoopi> thank you
[11:55] <Qcoder00> OK rant over
[11:55] <Shipoopi> let's just say i was testing some HD webgl renders
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[11:55] <IShadowed> like seriously dude, you'll have no impact on anything
[11:56] <Qcoder00> Looks like with the scans I am back to having to do a manual extract and my own OCR ,  tiresome and time-consuming but salvagable
�06[11:56] * BobTheWikipedian attempts for the umpteenth time to get linux running on an emachines tower
[11:56] <IShadowed> "I'll tell all the people I know!" isn't really effective, don't flatter yourself
[11:56] <Qcoder00> Perhaps I should bill Google for the time I've wasted owing ot their screwup
[11:56] <Qcoder00> ?
[11:56] <Qcoder00> XD
[11:56] <Qcoder00> XD
[11:56] <IShadowed> glhf being ignored
[11:56] <Shipoopi> Don't repeat, dear.
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[11:57] <Qcoder00> OK Does anyone here actually know of a PDF editor (other than Acrobat) That can look outside bad clipping ?
[11:57] <D_> I think your only recourse is armed revolution, Qcoder00
[11:57] <Qcoder00> D_: Nah
[11:57] <Dcoetzee> I don't know of a PDF editor other than Acrobat period
[11:57] <Shipoopi> google chrome
[11:58] <mareklug> Qcoder00 hijack their google car.  make it manual.
[11:58] <Qcoder00> D_:  Armed revoloutions require that you have guns....
[11:58] <Qcoder00> I don't like guns... they hurt people
[11:58] <D_> Well, arms
[11:58] <D_> As long as Google doesn't have more, better arms
[11:59] <IShadowed> I also do not guns. As for hurting people...
[11:59] <Qcoder00> mareklug : Hacking a Streetview vehicle?- Not legal
[11:59] <IShadowed> do not like*
[11:59] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: :-P
[11:59] <IShadowed> Jesus, I can't type today
�06[11:59] * IShadowed sighs
[11:59] <Qcoder00> (But that's a hack I am sure Anonymous would pull)
[11:59] <Qcoder00> Anyhow...
[12:00] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: You're in a coffee shop but not ordering enough coffee evidently ;-)
[12:00] <D_> Are you sure that the data is there in the first place, Qcoder00?
[12:00] <Qcoder00> D_: It is
[12:00] <IShadowed> I haven't refilled my cup, nah
[12:00] <IShadowed> I want to curl up and sleep
[12:00] <IShadowed> but eh.
[12:00] <Qcoder00> OK Does anyone have a tool for seeing if there is a text layer inside a PDF?
[12:00] <D_> As long as they don't mistake you for a homeless man
[12:00] <BobTheWikipedian> if there is, would it show in notepad?
[12:01] <Qcoder00> It might....
[12:01] <BobTheWikipedian> just a thought
[12:01] <BobTheWikipedian> probably wouldn't but it wouldn't take much time to check
[12:01] <mareklug> D_ IShadowed dresses better than homeless men.  The glitter gives her away as having a home.
[12:01] <D_> "text stored as content streams (i.e., not text)"
�06[12:01] * IShadowed stares
[12:01] <D_> Whatever that means
[12:01] <IShadowed> My liking of glitter is fairly inconsistent with my personality
[12:02] <IShadowed> But whatever
[12:02] <Qcoder00> D-: It means I'm back to doing the OCR manually :(
[12:02] <IShadowed> Also, I think I dress fairly well?
[12:02] <IShadowed> :(
[12:02] <Qcoder00> Unless someone has a better idea
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�06[12:02] * IShadowed runs off to throw makeup on, does look like shit in that department
[12:02] <Qcoder00> I thought a nice simple project to put something on Wikisource would be reasoanble
[12:02] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I like your outfits :-P
[12:02] <Dcoetzee> mareklug is just trolling
[12:02] <Qcoder00> but owing to some issues with the scans, it's turning into a 'too much hassle'
[12:03] <Qcoder00> becasue Google doesn't seemingly do Quality Control on it's  Book scans...
[12:03] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Frankly you seem a little entitled to me :-P
[12:03] <mareklug> Dcoetzee no, I supplied a minimum argument that D_'s assertion that she may be mistaken for a homeless man cannot stick.  A logical argument, not trolling.
[12:03] <Dcoetzee> Google is digitizing thousands of books, putting them online for free, you download them
[12:03] <Qcoder00> Dcoetzee:  What do you mean?
[12:03] <IShadowed> Says Dcoetzee, who hasn't seen my outfits
[12:03] <IShadowed> <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Frankly you seem a little entitled to me :-P
[12:03] <IShadowed> also this^
[12:03] <Dcoetzee> And you're upset because they contain some errors
[12:03] <D_> It wasn't an assertion, it was a well-intentioned piece of advice
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[12:04] <Dcoetzee> mareklug: Fair enough, I didn't see the whole convo :-P
[12:04] <Qcoder00> Dcoetzee:  I don't expect to go into a library and find books that have pages missing ;)
[12:04] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: Yeah but you wouldn't advocate boycotting a library that contains some damaged books :-P
[12:04] <BobTheWikipedian> always the page you want to read, too
[12:04] <Qcoder00> Sorry, I'm in a rant...
[12:04] <mareklug> Dcoetzee if it said Google Library, he may well.
[12:04] <IShadowed> Oh my god
[12:05] <Qcoder00> mareklug : ;)
[12:05] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I've seen a few of your outfits on FB
[12:05] <IShadowed> they have lemon meringue
[12:05] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, you lie
[12:05] <Dcoetzee> Mmm lemon
[12:05] <Qcoder00> I think I need some calm down time...
[12:05] <BobTheWikipedian> mmmm nahuatl dinosaur article
�06[12:05] * Qcoder00 out
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[12:05] <D_> Don't worry, soon enough Google will have the right to do anything with any book they want
�06[12:05] * IShadowed scowls at life
�06[12:05] * Dcoetzee hugs life
[12:05] <IShadowed> Why must you sabotage my diet, life
[12:06] <mareklug> IShadowed do link us to some of your outfits
�06[12:06] * BobTheWikipedian eats life
[12:06] <D_> Just as soon as that 6 year lawsuit/settlement goes through
[12:06] <IShadowed> I think I only have photos of dresses on fb
[12:06] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: That is true, I did say a few
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�06[12:06] * BobTheWikipedian i have photos of insects and spiders on fb
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[12:06] <BobTheWikipedian> oops that shouldn't have been italicized
[12:07] <KimiNewt> I've got some pictures of the sky
[12:07] <D_> Your IRC client supports italics?
[12:07] <BobTheWikipedian> it does
[12:07] <KimiNewt> and some people took pictures of me in some occasions, rarely
[12:07] <KimiNewt> I actually don't have a single photo in uniform
[12:07] <D_> This channel is +c anyway, you can't do colors or formatting
[12:07] <BobTheWikipedian> i forget which character does it though
[12:07] <IShadowed> is the only recent one
[12:07] <KimiNewt> Which is a bit odd since it's what I've been wearing every day in the past 2.5 years
[12:07] <Dcoetzee> Wooo I finished my animated GIF
[12:07] <QueenOfFrance> D_: I think what he means is the /me
[12:07] <BobTheWikipedian> \slashes, perhaps?\
[12:07] <BobTheWikipedian> nope
[12:08] <IShadowed> as opposed to non-animated gifs
[12:08] <QueenOfFrance> BobTheWikipedian: no, it's /me
[12:08] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: I think your /mes are italicised
[12:08] <QueenOfFrance> which is used for actions
[12:08] <mareklug> IShadowed that is a fairly conservative black dress
[12:08] <Carly> splish splash!
[12:08] <D_> Ah, ok
[12:08] <Carly> :D
�06[12:08] * Carly hides
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[12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> well yes but they were talking about support for italics
[12:08] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Yup that's the one I've seen. Looks good though. :-)
[12:08] <IShadowed> yeah, it was for an inaugural event
�03[12:08] * MJ95 is now known as MJ94
[12:08] <IShadowed> so can't really go full out boobage or anything.
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[12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> i know *asterisks* make bolding
[12:08] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Do you have any other outfits online atm?
[12:08] <mareklug> IShadowed are you letting on that you are the wearer?
[12:09] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, not current
�06[12:09] * Dcoetzee nods
[12:09] <IShadowed> mareklug, yes
[12:09] <BobTheWikipedian> ishadowed is female
[12:09] <Dcoetzee> Her appearance isn't a secret :-P
[12:09] <mareklug> IShadowed cool.
[12:09] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: :D
�06[12:09] * Dcoetzee hugs MJ94 :-)
[12:10] <IShadowed> or a man with long hair and a really interesting hip-waist ratio
[12:10] <IShadowed> your choice
�06[12:10] * MJ94 hugs Dcoetzee 
[12:10] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: And breasts
[12:10] <MJ94> what's new, an?
[12:10] <MJ94> man
[12:10] <IShadowed> boobage ain't visible there
[12:10] <MJ94> boobage
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[12:10] <KimiNewt> boobism
[12:10] <D_> I've been to 4chan, it wouldn't surprise me
[12:10] <BobTheWikipedian> invisible boobs
[12:10] <Peter-C> 5-1-5-0 somebody call the po po
�06[12:10] * Dcoetzee creates Invisible Boobs charity to promote Boob Awareness
[12:11] <mareklug> Peter-C what is this mysterious message of yours, oft repeated?
�06[12:11] * IShadowed runs off to create a tumblr support group
�06[12:11] * BobTheWikipedian becomes more aware of boobs
[12:11] <Peter-C> Song I have in my head
[12:11] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[12:11] <KimiNewt> Dcoetzee - you should watch Twilight with rifftrax
�02[12:11] * TParis (~TParis@wikipedia/TParis) Quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - ~�)
[12:11] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: That sounds fun
[12:11] <IShadowed> btw I've been throwing my crap in
[12:11] <D_> Fuck the police, coming straight from the underground
[12:11] <Peter-C> The po po broke up 5 parties last night and whenever we heared about it over the police radio we blasted this song in the station
[12:11] <D_> (that's what I have stuck in my head)
[12:11] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: Need more boobs? Commons!
[12:11] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: very cool
[12:12] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Commons is surprisingly short on boobs
[12:12] <MJ94> The Commies have boobs.
[12:12] <MJ94> Oh.
[12:12] <BobTheWikipedian> i found some in the mythology section
[12:12] <BobTheWikipedian> no shortage there
[12:12] <KimiNewt> Dcoetzee  -
[12:12] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Mind if I follow?
[12:12] <D_>
[12:12] <D_> Overweight biker.jpg
[12:13] <KimiNewt> "How does one tell a good dress from a bad dress?"
[12:13] <KimiNewt> "In short: breasts"
[12:13] <Dcoetzee> D_: We only have one pic of an overweight biker?
[12:13] <mareklug> IShadowed "Design crafted by Prashanth Kamalakanthan. Powered by Tumblr." but where in the heck is the next page button?
[12:13] <D_> Unfortunately, that seems to be the case
[12:13] <Dcoetzee> mareklug: You're on the last page
[12:13] <Dcoetzee> You want the back button
[12:13] <D_> "Wander back"
[12:13] <mareklug> "PAGE 1 OF 4"
[12:14] <D_> Because it's tumblr, you have to creatively name your page changing buttons
[12:14] <Dcoetzee> It's a little backwards
[12:14] <D_> Yes, but going back a page goes back in time
[12:14] <BobTheWikipedian> sounds like we need to balance out the penis/boob/overweight-biker ratio
[12:14] <D_> I think that's the logic
[12:14] <mareklug> there is no logic.  there is only bad design by Prashanth Kamalakanthan
[12:14] <BobTheWikipedian> everyone go take a picture of an overweight biker and upload it
[12:14] <D_> I've seen that in other tumblrs, I think it's a widespread convention
[12:14] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: I don't think they'd like that
[12:15] <D_> It's for a good cause
[12:15] <D_> The Commons, that is
[12:15] <BobTheWikipedian> well you could upload a photo of yourself on a bike if you're overweight
[12:15] <BobTheWikipedian> oh
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[12:16] <Dcoetzee> Grar, I get really frustrated with people releasing trivial works under CC-BY-SA. Like a simple diagram of a keyboard.
[12:16] <Dcoetzee> I don't want to be forced to use that license :-/ Maybe I can claim the original is ineligible for copyright.
[12:16] <BobTheWikipedian> would it be better if they released the simple trivial diagram under a copyright?
[12:16] <mareklug> IShadowed you should balance your affinities with a pretty pix of some nice MIT building
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[12:17] <Dcoetzee> Like seriously I've seen people upload graphs of functions or geometric shapes and tag them CC-BY-SA
[12:17] <D_> Yeah, I always figure CC-0 for such things saves a headache
[12:17] <Dcoetzee> As though they could really copyright them in the first place.
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[12:17] <IShadowed> Mareklug, I think my first post is the Caltech building for astrophysics
[12:17] <D_> I mean, you can recreate a graph or a pie chart trivially
[12:18] <BobTheWikipedian> wow. the house finch outside my window seriously has nothing better to do other than sit in the same place all day singing
[12:18] <IShadowed> I reaaaaaaaally want to do summer research with Caltech/MIT next year through their SSP. What you do gets archived in the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
[12:18] <IShadowed> like
[12:18] <IShadowed> SQUEEEEEEEEEEE
[12:18] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: :-)
[12:18] <BobTheWikipedian> must stink to be a house finch
[12:18] <Dcoetzee> Go for it, I think you've got a good chance
[12:18] <IShadowed> :)
[12:18] <IShadowed> Trying
[12:18] <mareklug> IShadowed which is why I said what I said.
[12:18] <D_> Ah yes, but you're like half a point short, aren't you?
[12:18] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, also sure, feel freeto follow
[12:18] <IShadowed> +space
[12:18] <Dcoetzee> K
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[12:20] <BobTheWikipedian> yup.
[12:22] <BobTheWikipedian> i wonder how long ein requests take
[12:22] <IShadowed> Mareklug, MIT actually isn't that beautiful in my opinion. The Stata center is really cool. I was hoping to bump into Chomsky, but alas no dice
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[12:23] <mareklug> Caltech is not exactly architecturally competition.  There are a few nice buildings on MIT campus other than the AI/CS lab
�06[12:23] * IShadowed shrug
[12:23] <IShadowed> I've been all around campus, I didn't really think so
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[12:23] <mareklug> even ol' Kresge is an interesting building.
[12:24] <IShadowed> On a related note, my throat feels scratchy today
[12:24] <D_> The mobile site watchlist gives edit counts for every contributor
[12:24] <D_> So much for not judging people by their edit counts
[12:24] <Dcoetzee> Heh
[12:24] <QueenOfFrance> lol that's useful
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> That's kind of hilarious
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> Potentially useful though, as long as it's not misinterpreted
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> After all, we already examine edits of "red links" more carefully
[12:25] <Dcoetzee> This is just an extension of that.
[12:25] <MJ94> Anyone wanna feed me
[12:25] <D_> Well, page curation gives edit counts, too
[12:25] <MJ94> some cake
�06[12:25] * Dcoetzee makes chocolate cake for MJ94, cuts a slice :-)
[12:25] <D_> It's useful there, since you can tell whether the article was created by an experienced user or someone new
[12:25] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: Woooo!
[12:26] <D_> And I'll admit to looking at article creations by people with 10,000+ edits less closely
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[12:26] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: are you an admin at ptwp?
[12:26] <IShadowed> mareklug, done
[12:26] <mareklug> IShadowed done?
[12:26] <IShadowed>
[12:26] <IShadowed> Stata Stata
[12:26] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: I don't speak Portuguese...
[12:27] <MJ94> :P
[12:27] <Dcoetzee> So I would be very surprised if I were
[12:27] <MJ94> WELL, WHAT GOOD ARE YA.
[12:27] <D_> That is one funky-looking building
[12:27] <IShadowed> MJ94, I'll speak whatever language you want me to, baby
[12:27] <Dcoetzee> Whoa Stata is cool
[12:27] <BobTheWikipedian> here goes nothing...
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[12:27] <MJ94> IShadowed: language of love?
[12:27] <BobTheWikipedian> if linux boots this will mark a day in history
[12:27] <MJ94> rawrrr
�06[12:27] * MJ94 purrs
�06[12:27] * Dcoetzee pets MJ94 kitty
[12:27] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, yeah but it leaks or something because of the design
[12:27] <MJ94> :D
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[12:28] <IShadowed> beautiful, not really utilitarian
[12:28] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Tu dois savoir, je parles francais aussi :-P
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[12:28] <IShadowed> I should pay more attention in french class.
[12:28] <MJ94> This idiot doesn't understand that I have the MJ9* names registered and that he should stop identifying to them.
[12:28] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: *faints*
[12:28] <mareklug> IShadowed you only need to read up on a little contemporary architecture / tensile engineering to grok why this is a handsome building
[12:28] <IShadowed> I don't like it.
[12:29] <IShadowed> I just don't.
[12:29] <BobTheWikipedian> :o write this down...on this sixteenth day of february in the year two thousand thirteen rob finally got linux to boot
[12:29] <IShadowed> It looks like a boob with a skin defect.
�06[12:29] * Dcoetzee cheers!
[12:29] <IShadowed> This is not attractive
[12:29] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: I recorded for the history books
[12:29] <BobTheWikipedian> well done
[12:29] <MJ94> ;D
[12:29] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: I think we should probably make Feb 16 a holiday in honour of this moment
[12:29] <Dcoetzee> We'll call it "Bob Linux Day"
[12:29] <MJ94> Annual BobTheLinuxian
[12:30] <BobTheWikipedian> it has a nongrammatical ring to it derrick
[12:30] <Dcoetzee> Fuck grammar
[12:30] <BobTheWikipedian> the english do it all the time
[12:30] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: YEAH
[12:30] <MJ94> FUCK GRAMMAR
[12:30] <Dcoetzee> Check out my new animation :-)
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[12:30] <Dcoetzee> It's a bit small but it works
[12:31] <IShadowed> Fucking something with a pitchfork is probably not overly pleasant
[12:31] <MJ94>
[12:31] <MJ94> beautiful
[12:31] <mareklug> IShadowed ??
[12:31] <MJ94> IShadowed: experience?
[12:31] <IShadowed> Possibly.
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[12:31] <BobTheWikipedian> oooo
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[12:31] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: That sounds not fun at all
[12:31] <Dcoetzee> For the recipient
[12:32] <BobTheWikipedian> man linux takes forever to boot
[12:32] <BobTheWikipedian> it is still booting
[12:32] <MJ94> ...
[12:32] <IShadowed> ...but for the giver?
[12:32] <IShadowed> erugh
[12:32] <MJ94> so you didn't get it to boot
[12:32] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: For the giver it depends on their proclivities :-P
[12:32] <BobTheWikipedian> okay now it says localhost login
[12:32] <IShadowed> damn sadists
[12:32] <BobTheWikipedian> which is an improvement from the windows logo
[12:33] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: you should talk :-P
[12:33] <MJ94> All.
[12:33] <MJ94> I want.
[12:33] <MJ94> Is a pt admin.
[12:33] <IShadowed> I'm not a sadist!
[12:33] <BobTheWikipedian> always disappointing to install linux and be greeted by the windows logo right after that
[12:33] <IShadowed> well.
[12:33] <Amqui> good day
[12:33] <IShadowed> Only at Nationals
[12:33] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[12:33] <mareklug> IShadowed I just think this is a more elegant, less hysterical piece of architecture.  to me Frank is a little tedious.
[12:34] <Jetro> :---p
[12:34] <BobTheWikipedian> aw man...the username is case sensitive lol
[12:35] <MJ94> lol
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[12:35] <Jetro> EY
[12:35] <BobTheWikipedian> ...okay, this is exciting. i wonder what [Rob@localhost Rob]$: means
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[12:36] <D_> Whatever you do, don't obtain root and type in rm -rf *
[12:36] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
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[12:36] <Carly> dead Man
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[12:36] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: do it
[12:36] <D_> What distro are you running, BobTheWikipedian?
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[12:36] <MJ94> d_ do it
[12:36] <MJ94> *
[12:36] <BobTheWikipedian> redhat
[12:36] <Carly> :D
[12:36] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Do what? :-P
[12:36] <MJ94> Your mom.
[12:36] <Dcoetzee> I'm not gonna delete my root
[12:36] <Dcoetzee> I'm not very attracted to my mom
[12:37] <D_> If you have a spare linux VM lying about, that's a fun thing to do
[12:37] <Dcoetzee> Plus she'd probably get clingy afterwards
[12:37] <D_> But probably anticlimactic
[12:37] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[12:37] <IShadowed> "I'm not very attracted to my mom"
[12:37] <BobTheWikipedian> format c: is a fun thing to do on windows
[12:37] <IShadowed> um
[12:37] <IShadowed> ..good for you?
[12:38] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Responding to MJ94 telling me to do my mom :-P
[12:38] <MJ94> IShadowed: :P
[12:38] <IShadowed> ah
[12:38] <IShadowed> I was wondering
[12:38] <Dcoetzee> There is a context for everything :-P
[12:38] <MJ94> Guys…I'm not very attracted to my mom.
[12:38] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: That's normal. Westermarck effect.
[12:38] <D_> But are you slightly attracted to her?
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[12:39] <MJ94> D_: in a sense
[12:39] <BobTheWikipedian> even this book cannot help me now:
[12:39] <mareklug> wooosh
[12:39] <Dcoetzee> mareklug: What you mean when you keep saying woosh?
[12:39] <IShadowed> I've only ever sucked on my mom's tits
[12:39] <IShadowed> so y'know
[12:39] <MJ94> there's not context for everything, Dcoetzee
[12:39] <IShadowed> ^
[12:39] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: But pineapple
[12:39] <MJ94> {{db-a1}} exists for a reason
[12:39] <mareklug> Indiana made a 3-point shot.  all net
[12:40] <IShadowed> who
[12:40] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: I left a chatroom earlier yelling pineapple
[12:40] <MJ94> I was like
[12:40] <MJ94> PINEAPPLE
[12:40] <BobTheWikipedian> i thought someone set up a #wikipedia-en-sports
[12:40] <mareklug> they only make like 6-12 a game, so bear with me
[12:40] <MJ94> sign off
[12:40] <IShadowed> [7]
[12:40] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Perfect. Now they will think of nothing else all day.
[12:40] <Dcoetzee> Perhaps they imagined you were forced to log off due to a man-eating pineapple attack.
[12:40] <IShadowed> this sounds uncomfortable
[12:40] <MJ94> Naturally, of course.
[12:41] <Dcoetzee> Only those who heed your warning will survive the coming pineapple invasion
[12:41] <MJ94> If somebody made a sub channel for every random topic we got on, there'd be no main channel.
[12:41] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Also every subchannel would contain only 1-2 people
[12:41] <IShadowed> I would not object to a sub channel
[12:41] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: Whoooo lives in a pineapple under the sea
[12:41] <IShadowed> heh. heh.
[12:41] <D_> Also, that keyboard navbox template looks weird in mobile
[12:41] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed:  :-P
[12:41] <D_>
[12:41] <MJ94> Everyone because he will destroy you and me
[12:41] <MJ94> PINEAPPLE
[12:42] <Jetro> :d
[12:42] <Jetro> i DON'T KNOW MORE OF THE SONG
[12:42] <Jetro> whops
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[12:42] <MJ94> if you like making love at midnight
[12:42] <Dcoetzee> On the dunes on the cape
[12:42] <MJ94> then call me at 218-555-1200
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[12:43] <Jetro> D_: That is an honest-to-god smooth Anroid browser.
[12:43] <mareklug> 555 phone numbers are such a copout.
[12:43] <MJ94> OK, brb shower
[12:43] <mareklug> there is only one 555 number really, and that is 555-1212  aka 411 aka information
[12:43] <MJ94> mareklug: My number is 218-310-141
[12:43] <MJ94> call me!
[12:44] <mareklug> MJ94 I'm holding out for better offers
[12:44] <MJ94> you won't find one here
[12:44] <D_> That's ten possible numbers under NANP
[12:44] <MJ94> ^
[12:44] <mareklug> you'd be surprised
[12:44] <MJ94> mareklug: Dcoetzee is a looker.
[12:44] <MJ94> :D
[12:44] <mareklug> some look, others peruse...
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[12:44] <MJ94> others edit, with nothing to lose
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[12:45] <D_> The last time I did anything with a phone number I found in an IRC channel, I was fairly drunk
[12:45] <D_> Nothing happened, though
[12:45] <MJ94> I probably did the same thing but was sober
[12:45] <Dcoetzee> Phone numbers, seriously? What is this, 1995?
[12:45] <MJ94> I remember the day someone got my phone number, called the cops on me, and said I was suicidal
[12:45] <MJ94> I wasn't.
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[12:46] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: we like to sext
[12:46] <IShadowed> ....
[12:46] <Dcoetzee> Random phone sex works just as well over Skype :-P
[12:46] <D_> Yeah, we should be using email
[12:46] <MJ94> do you have snap chat?
[12:46] <D_> like it's 1997
[12:46] <IShadowed> eugh
[12:46] <IShadowed> y'all fuckers got issues
[12:46] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: believe me, I know
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[12:46] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Vanishes? Heading off?
[12:46] <IShadowed> no, didn't exist in 1995
[12:46] <Dcoetzee> Oh right
[12:46] <MJ94> omg
[12:46] <D_> I think Kik is the preferred medium of communication for teenagers nowadays
[12:46] <MJ94> i'm older than someone
[12:46] <MJ94> I feel old
[12:46] <MJ94> crap
[12:46] <D_> At least I got that impression when I went on Omegle once
[12:46] <MJ94> D_: nah
[12:47] <MJ94> omegle kik is
[12:47] <MJ94> Omegle isn't where normal teenagers go
[12:47] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: It is fortunate that you didn't have to be around to see the horror that was Windows 95
[12:47] <D_> I don't go where normal teenagers go
[12:47] <IShadowed> pretty sure I'm one of the youngest, if not the youngest, active nick here. But it doesn't matter because you're all still my bitches.
[12:47] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: I did
[12:47] <D_> I'm too old to do that
[12:47] <Dcoetzee> About 90% of people on Omegle are dudes who want to get girls on webcam and get off
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[12:47] <MJ94> IShadowed: I'll gladly be your bitch.
[12:47] <IShadowed> noted
[12:47] <Dcoetzee> Also they're terrible at it
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[12:47] <D_> I ain't no nobody's bitch
[12:47] <Dcoetzee> (camsex/cybering that is)
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[12:48] <mareklug> IShadowed actually there are some sub-14s here.
[12:48] <D_> Wait, how do you know
[12:48] <IShadowed> D_, I beg to differ.
[12:48] <IShadowed> mareklug, sec
[12:48] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: i am taking off my shirt
[12:48] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Good to know
[12:48] <Dcoetzee> Is it hot there?
[12:48] <Peter-C> 5-1-5-0 somebody call the po po
[12:48] <MJ94> I am unzipping your shoes.
[12:48] <IShadowed> Mareklug, sure, but,
[12:48] <Dcoetzee> My shoes... have laces :-P
[12:48] <MJ94> well fuck you
[12:49] <Dcoetzee> I put on my robe and wizard hat
[12:49] <D_> I think that's the intended end result
[12:49] <IShadowed>
[12:49] <IShadowed> ^
[12:49] <D_> Are you going to poop each other's poops back and forth, forever?
[12:49] <MJ94> [14:49:03] <+MJ94>	 !forecast duluth, mn
[12:49] <MJ94> [14:49:04] <@Gears>	 duluth, mn: RestofToday: Partly cloudy. Highs 14 to 19. South winds around 5 mph.
[12:49] <MJ94> [14:49:05] <@Gears>	 Tonight: Partly cloudy. Lows 3 below to 2 above zero. South winds 5 to 10 mph. -|- Sunday: Chance of Snow. High: 28°F / -2°C Low: 21°F / -6°C -|
[12:49] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: ^
[12:49] <Dcoetzee> Coooold
[12:50] <MJ94> It was -30 the other day
[12:50] <mareklug> IShadowed that's some terrible groove.  I lasted until the 1:31 mark.  Why do you do this to your admirers?
[12:50] <KimiNewt> someone in the other channel just said it's -30
[12:51] <KimiNewt> *an other channel
[12:51] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I'll say one thing, this song suits a cocky bitch like you :-P
[12:51] <KimiNewt> another
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[12:51] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, why thank you
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[12:51] <IShadowed> Mareklug, "admirers"
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[12:51] <KimiNewt> how about this
[12:52] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: That meme is awesome :-P
[12:52] <KimiNewt> it's nice
[12:52] <IShadowed> I actually found this song from a video of the hardest WAG vault
[12:52] <IShadowed> can't find it :/
[12:52] <MJ94> Dcoetzee:
[12:52] <MJ94> IShadowed:
[12:53] <D_> Oh god
[12:53] <Dcoetzee> While we're linking meme music how about some Fukkireta
[12:53] <D_> I like how they sound entirely serious
[12:53] <D_> About rickrolling people
[12:53] <MJ94> Yeah, haha.
[12:54] <D_> And the awesome acting
[12:54] <IShadowed> what the fuck is that shit
[12:54] <D_> I feel like there should be a flashing "REENACTMENT" on the screen
[12:54] <MJ94>
[12:54] <MJ94> LOL yes
[12:54] <MJ94> okay, bbl
[12:54] <IShadowed>
[12:55] <IShadowed> Aliya time
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[12:55] <D_> Violets are of a bright bluish purple color that takes its name from the violet flower.
[12:55] <D_> (from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.)
[12:55] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I don't think you've gone a day without linking Aliya :-)
[12:55] <IShadowed> I love her
[12:55] <IShadowed> Massive girl crush
[12:55] <Dcoetzee> Obviously :-)
[12:56] <KimiNewt> who
[12:56] <IShadowed> 0:44
[12:56] <IShadowed> love
[12:56] <KimiNewt> hate
[12:56] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt:
[12:56] <KimiNewt> gymnast
[12:56] <KimiNewt> blecht
[12:57] <IShadowed> nah the article doesn't do her justice
[12:57] <IShadowed> you have to watch her in action
[12:57] <IShadowed> all the subtle movements are perfect
[12:57] <IShadowed> her attitude is perfect
[12:57] <KimiNewt> that's great
[12:57] <IShadowed> she's the best. And knows it.
[12:57] <IShadowed> It's awesome.
[12:57] <D_> Have you recused yourself from editing that article due to a COI, IShadowed?
[12:57] <KimiNewt> I don't care for gymnastics
[12:57] <IShadowed> I don't care for KimiNewt
[12:57] <IShadowed> D_, I wish
[12:57] <KimiNewt> Join the club.
[12:58] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Don't feel bad. You're my favourite user who is also a newt.
[12:57] <KimiNewt> I got better
[12:57] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee is so diplomatic
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[12:58] <IShadowed>
[12:58] <IShadowed> Even her balance checks are elegant
[12:58] <IShadowed> asdfghjkl;
[12:58] <Dcoetzee> Resolving disputes is fun :-P I bet I could be a real international ambassador.
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[12:58] <D_>
[12:59] <D_> That's what this has made me think of
[12:59] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: And you are adorable when you're admiring Aliya :-P
[12:59] <KimiNewt> IShadowed - my sister taught me to hate gymnastics
[12:59] <Peter-C> 5-1-5-0 somebody call the po po <3
[12:59] <IShadowed> She's a world champion, can't help it
[12:59] <mareklug> Dcoetzee this is true.  much more than when admiring bad dance music
[12:59] <IShadowed> No
[12:59] <IShadowed> I didn't admire it
[12:59] <IShadowed> I admit I was ashamed
[13:00] <IShadowed> but crap is catchy, ok
[13:00] <mareklug> IShadowed you should do 16 Marina and the Diamonds in pennance
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[13:00] <IShadowed> I don't do penance
[13:00] <KimiNewt> welp
[13:00] <mareklug> then do it as palate clensing
[13:01] <IShadowed> except when I'm made to
[13:01] <KimiNewt> I should go to sleep soon; army early tomorrow
[13:01] <IShadowed> snerk
[13:01] <KimiNewt> Should get a good night's sleep, I guess
[13:01] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Rest well :-)
[13:01] <KimiNewt> incidentally
[13:01] <Dcoetzee> Where do newts sleep anyway? Like on rocks in the sun?
[13:01] <KimiNewt> today's the first weekend in some 7 months I haven't talked to the girl I like (friendzoned)
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[13:01] <KimiNewt> Dcoetzee - don't be silly, there's no sun up at night!
[13:02] <KimiNewt> that's the whole point of a night
[13:02] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: You didn't mention it was night there :-p
[13:02] <Dcoetzee> Oh I guess you did
[13:02] <Dcoetzee> Where do newts sleep at night? Under rocks?
[13:03] <mareklug> newts on the rocks sounds like yummy owl food
[13:03] <KimiNewt> sounds reasonable
[13:03] <IShadowed>
[13:03] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Not talking to her, your choice or hers or just happenstance?
[13:03] <IShadowed> you can seeeee the difference
[13:03] <KimiNewt> well
[13:03] <KimiNewt> Usually she messages me
[13:03] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I seriously think every motion of that girl is calculated :-P
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[13:03] <KimiNewt> Very rarely I do
[13:03] <mareklug> IShadowed you should be comparing her to Olga or Nadia
[13:03] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: She probably eats lunch elegantly :-P
[13:04] <KimiNewt> so I guess she just didn't message me
[13:04] <IShadowed> Probably
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[13:04] <KimiNewt> probably for no reason
[13:04] <KimiNewt> but I didn't message her
[13:04] <KimiNewt> so that's progress
[13:04] <IShadowed> <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I seriously think every motion of that girl is calculated :-P
[13:04] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: If you miss her and want to talk then message her, don't be stupid :-P
[13:04] <IShadowed> I'
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[13:04] <IShadowed> I'm sure it is
[13:04] <KimiNewt> I talked to her thursday
[13:04] <IShadowed> Which is why I love her
[13:04] <KimiNewt> you could say I talked to her friday
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[13:04] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: :-)
[13:04] <KimiNewt> since we talked till like half past midnight
[13:04] <IShadowed> also
[13:04] <IShadowed> Nadia sucks
[13:04] <IShadowed> stone me
[13:04] <KimiNewt> I'm also gonna see her tomorrow
[13:05] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Well that'll be fun then :-)
[13:05] <KimiNewt> it's fun when I see her
[13:05] <KimiNewt> no fun when she leaves
[13:05] <Dcoetzee> :-(
[13:05] <KimiNewt> or when my mind realises that she doesn't give a rat's ass about me
[13:05] <Dcoetzee> Don't be stupid :-P She obviously likes you a lot as a friend. Her time investment with you says that.
[13:05] <IShadowed> run her over with your car
[13:05] <mareklug> IShadowed you don't know what you are saying.
[13:05] <IShadowed> go at her with two tons of fucks you don't give
[13:06] <D_> That leaves a lot of evidence
[13:06] <KimiNewt> yeah she said (literally) "I love you .. (pause) .. as a friend"
[13:06] <D_> Use somebody else's car
[13:06] <KimiNewt> that pause was nasty
[13:06] <D_> People actually say that?
[13:06] <IShadowed> wait, aren't we talking about your sister?
[13:06] <KimiNewt> No
[13:06] <KimiNewt> Well basically D_
[13:06] <KimiNewt> she said "I love you"
[13:06] <KimiNewt> then saw the look on my face
[13:06] <KimiNewt> and added the last part
[13:06] <D_> Oh
[13:07] <D_> That makes more sense
[13:07] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: She probably didn't realise until after she said it that it could be misinterpreted
[13:07] <D_> Yeah, that
[13:07] <IShadowed>
[13:07] <IShadowed> look at that bitch face
[13:07] <KimiNewt> it wouldn't be though
[13:07] <IShadowed> I need to learn to do that
[13:07] <KimiNewt> I'm not stupid, I know she doesn't like me that way ]:
[13:07] <BarkingFish> evening all :)
[13:07] <D_> Glare?
[13:07] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Intense
[13:07] <KimiNewt> She told me before
[13:07] <IShadowed> then why are you chasing her
[13:07] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: But still, loving you as a friend is a big deal. A close friend is a rare thing.
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[13:08] <KimiNewt> Yeah but being just a friend is killing me
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[13:08] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: If it's really hard for you to be around her maybe consider taking a break and seeing if the feelings die down
[13:08] <KimiNewt> She suggested the same
[13:08] <KimiNewt> but I can't handle taking a break
[13:09] <IShadowed> I still don't get the point of chasing after someone who doesn't like you
[13:09] <KimiNewt> It's like an addiction
[13:09] <IShadowed> Waste of time, much
[13:09] <KimiNewt> Like drugs
[13:09] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Well you can't handle being around her either, you're just going to hurt both of you if you don't do something.
[13:09] <KimiNewt> You know it's bad for you
[13:09] <KimiNewt> and you feel like shit afterwards (I persume)
[13:09] <IShadowed> Yeah so get your ass into rehab and stop making excuses
�06[13:09] * IShadowed shrugs
[13:09] <KimiNewt> NoooOOOooo
[13:09] <KimiNewt> If only my friends were kind enough to perform an intervention
[13:10] <KimiNewt> Now that I know that they're all aware of my situation..
[13:10] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: The drug analogy is good because withdrawal is a bitch but it's better than being addicted forever
[13:10] <KimiNewt> It's like
[13:10] <IShadowed> ^
[13:11] <KimiNewt> My life always seems stupid and a waste and senseless if I'm not doing one of two things:
[13:11] <KimiNewt> working or talking to her
[13:11] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: If you won't do it for yourself, do it for her. She cares about you and probably feels super guilty and frustrated to be hurting you like this.
[13:11] <D_> Woo, existentialism
[13:11] <KimiNewt> if that were true she'd stop talking to me herself
[13:11] <KimiNewt> She's the one who initializes it most of the time, anyway
[13:11] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Maybe you're both addicted :-P
[13:11] <KimiNewt> Why would she be addicted
[13:12] <Dcoetzee> Like I said. Close friends are hard to come by.
[13:12] <D_> It may not be easy for her, either
[13:12] <KimiNewt> doesn't make sense
�06[13:12] * IShadowed rolls her eyes at the teenage drama
[13:12] <D_> It's not trivial to just cut someone out of your life
[13:12] <KimiNewt> Hey, we're not teenaged :P
[13:12] <IShadowed> Look, dude, here's a rule of the universe
[13:12] <D_> even if they're just a friend
[13:12] <KimiNewt> We're frakin' soldiers :P
[13:12] <IShadowed> If it's too complicated, it's not worth it
[13:12] <IShadowed> So just leave it alone
[13:12] <D_> Wikipedia is pretty complicated
[13:12] <KimiNewt> so is physics
[13:12] <KimiNewt> and maths
[13:12] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: I think Ishy's a bit overcynical :-P But I do think you guys need to take a break before this shit explodes in your face.
[13:13] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: You got enough explosives aimed at you as it is
[13:13] <KimiNewt> it can't explode in my face
[13:13] <IShadowed> No, that's quite different. Difficult is not the same as complicated.
[13:13] <KimiNewt> there's no drama
[13:13] <KimiNewt> we're just friends
[13:13] <IShadowed> just sayin'
[13:13] <KimiNewt> It's not dramatic
[13:13] <IShadowed> Says the guy who's been ranting for 20 minutes
[13:13] <KimiNewt> well
[13:13] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: The point where it explodes is the point where you go crazy being around her and can't take it anymore and do something stupid
[13:13] <D_> He's been confessing his troubles to an IRC channel, give him a break
[13:13] <IShadowed> This is why I love blunt people
[13:14] <KimiNewt> It's not dramatic for her
[13:14] <IShadowed> I like you, you like me, let's go
[13:14] <IShadowed> so easy
[13:14] <KimiNewt> well
[13:14] <KimiNewt> I like her
[13:14] <KimiNewt> she doesn't like me
[13:14] <KimiNewt> stalemate
[13:14] <IShadowed> 11+0=1
[13:14] <IShadowed> -1
[13:14] <IShadowed> SIGH
[13:14] <IShadowed> I can't type
�06[13:14] * IShadowed kills self
[13:14] <IShadowed> 1+0=1. There.
[13:14] <mareklug> oh no, not the coach of Kansas
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[13:15] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: I once had a friend and she had unreturned affections for a friend. In the end, she went off the rails and accused that person of leading her on and abandoned her friend.
[13:15] <IShadowed>
[13:15] <IShadowed> best blog
[13:15] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: I'm just worried if your frustration overcomes you that you could end up in the same situation
[13:15] <KimiNewt> I don't think so
[13:16] <D_> Is that yours, IShadowed?
[13:16] <KimiNewt> at most I'll just cut her off
[13:16] <IShadowed> No
[13:16] <KimiNewt> I can do without friends
[13:16] <KimiNewt> I used to have no friends, I can do it again
[13:16] <KimiNewt> It'll be easier
[13:16] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Okay, as long as you know what you're doing. But just remember that your friendship has value too, okay?
[13:16] <IShadowed> Dude, are you 12
[13:17] <KimiNewt> almost
[13:17] <IShadowed> Why are you doing this emo bullshit to yourself
[13:17] <IShadowed> Wait
[13:17] <IShadowed> ...
[13:17] <IShadowed> Are you serious?
[13:17] <KimiNewt> Yes.
[13:17] <mareklug> KimiNewt how about falling for a Palestinian girl?  That would be moby drama
[13:17] <IShadowed> This explains everything.
�06[13:17] * IShadowed facepalms
[13:17] <IShadowed> Okay, look kid
[13:17] <KimiNewt> I'm 20, darling
[13:17] <IShadowed> Oh.
[13:17] <D_> I wish I had some popcorn right now
[13:17] <IShadowed> Well you should hold off on dating until 30 or so, then
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[13:17] <KimiNewt> 30!
[13:17] <IShadowed> 'cause you need to pick up some emotional IQ
[13:18] <KimiNewt> Because I'm emotionally immature?
[13:18] <KimiNewt> Herp herp
[13:18] <KimiNewt> everyone's the same at this age
[13:18] <IShadowed> No, they're really not.
[13:18] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: You know the only way to increase your emotional IQ is through emotional experience :-P
[13:18] <IShadowed> Disagree
[13:18] <D_> Well, you *could* just watch enough soap operas
[13:18] <Dcoetzee> Well that and listening to older people, but who does that?
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[13:19] <mareklug> IShadowed does!
[13:19] <KimiNewt> old people suck
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[13:19] <KimiNewt> they smell
[13:19] <IShadowed> <mareklug> IShadowed does!
[13:19] <IShadowed> ^
[13:19] <D_> You're hurting people's feelings in here, KimiNewt
[13:19] <Dcoetzee> Point :-P
[13:19] <KimiNewt> look IShadowed
[13:19] <KimiNewt> I spend 95% of my time working
[13:19] <Dcoetzee> But I think a lot of people have to learn things the hard way.
[13:19] <IShadowed>
[13:20] <IShadowed> Unrelated,
[13:20] <KimiNewt> I think ti's fair for me to spend 5% obsessing about someone instead of actually, you know
[13:20] <IShadowed> I'm just gonna leave that here
[13:20] <KimiNewt> meeting lots of people
[13:20] <IShadowed> I disagree
[13:20] <IShadowed> Much healthier to meet tons of people
[13:20] <mareklug> IShadowed that is some really pretty duct tape
[13:20] <IShadowed> I knowwww.
[13:20] <KimiNewt> I know all the people at my centre
[13:20] <D_> It looks like ordinary duct tape
[13:20] <KimiNewt> That a lot of people
[13:20] <KimiNewt> and that's enough
[13:20] <IShadowed> I need to learn to do bitch eyes like that
[13:21] <D_> I wonder if they have special duct tape for duct tape, uhm, play
�06[13:21] * IShadowed sighs
[13:21] <mareklug> D_ it looks much better in this light
[13:21] <KimiNewt> to your amateur eyes D_
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[13:21] <KimiNewt> btw, how old are you IShadowed, being so wise
[13:22] <IShadowed> Not entirely your business.
[13:22] <KimiNewt> I told you, it's only polite
[13:22] <Dcoetzee> Ha
[13:22] <IShadowed> No, the world doesn't work like that.
[13:22] <Dcoetzee> You think Ishy's polite? :-P
[13:22] <IShadowed> ..and that.
[13:22] <D_> There's the wiseness again
[13:22] <KimiNewt> what a twat
[13:22] <KimiNewt> grr
[13:22] <KimiNewt> sorry
[13:22] <KimiNewt> didn't mean it like that
[13:23] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: She's trying to help you out. You can take her advice or leave it but don't get all upset. :-P
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[13:23] <IShadowed> Or do, because I'm still right.
[13:23] <KimiNewt> I don't mind getting advice that's opposite to what I think
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[13:23] <KimiNewt> I mind people being rude
[13:23] <KimiNewt> and yes I know that rather stupid considering what I just said
[13:23] <Pharos> kumbaya
[13:23] <IShadowed> You do live in the real world, right?
[13:23] <BarkingFish> And calling someone a twat isn't rude?
[13:23] <BarkingFish> Damn.
[13:24] <BarkingFish> I wish I'd known
[13:24] <IShadowed> ^
[13:24] <Pharos> kumbaya
�06[13:24] * IShadowed snuggles BarkingFish 
[13:24] <mareklug> "16 clumsy and shy… I booked myself at the Y… YWCA…  do you have an opening…  for a back scrubber…. wooo-ooo"   --The Smiths
[13:24] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - I'm scared
�06[13:24] * Dcoetzee waves to Pharos
[13:24] <KimiNewt> BarkingFish - I'm sure it's a compliment somewhere
[13:24] <KimiNewt> Like
[13:24] <KimiNewt> a twat convention
[13:24] <Pharos> kumbata, dcoetzee
[13:24] <Peter-C> No calls in the past 28 hours, and the cops busted 5 parties last night, no drunks
[13:24] <Dcoetzee> What's Kumbata?
[13:24] <D_> A twat convention.
[13:24] <Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Impressive
[13:24] <IShadowed> And now I'm giggling in the middle of a coffee shop
[13:24] <KimiNewt> IShadowed - no, I don't live in the real world
[13:24] <IShadowed> Ah, good times
[13:24] <BarkingFish> You just called IShadowed a pregnant goldfish, KimiNewt
[13:24] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: :-)
[13:24] <IShadowed> KimiNewt, Ah, excellent
[13:24] <Pharos> like kumbaya combined with hakunan matata
[13:24] <BarkingFish> I hardly think that's a compliment :)
[13:25] <Peter-C> Dcoetzee - Well, drunks, but they were released to parents
[13:25] <KimiNewt> I live in a fantastical bubble where everyone is nice and kind
[13:25] <Dcoetzee> Pharos: Makes sense to me
[13:25] <KimiNewt> and rather polite, if a bit depressed
[13:25] <D_> That sounds splendid, KimiNewt. Would you like more tea?
[13:25] <BarkingFish> Welcome to those of us who pop them, KimiNewt
[13:25] <KimiNewt> I don't like tea, I'm afraid
[13:25] <BarkingFish> :)
[13:25] <IShadowed> that does not sound splendid.
[13:25] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Can I visit sometime and ride the rainbow unicorn?
[13:25] <D_> A pity, that is.
[13:25] <IShadowed> I would commit suicide in that universe
[13:25] <BarkingFish> Not even Green Tea?
[13:25] <KimiNewt> Well
[13:25] <KimiNewt> I'm talking about the military
[13:25] <Pharos> i live in broolyn, where everyone is nice and kind
[13:26] <Dcoetzee> Everybody's nice in the military? :-P
[13:26] <KimiNewt> so you'll have plenty of access to equipment that will allow you to go with that
[13:26] <IShadowed> I think you dropped the soap a few too many times
[13:26] <D_> That depends on the part of Brooklyn
[13:26] <KimiNewt> Eveyone is nice where I'm at
[13:26] <BarkingFish> I have some rather nice Tangerine and Limeflower tea here, very soothing.
[13:26] <BarkingFish> back in a flash, updates want me to restart my pc :)
[13:26] <KimiNewt> People aren't nice when you leave the building and go, I don't know, on guard duty or something
[13:26] <Dcoetzee> Well it's cool to have a nice working environment, but I think people can be good people without being polite
[13:26] <KimiNewt> but when inside the building
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[13:26] <KimiNewt> everyone is very kind
[13:27] <D_> People can be terrible people while being polite
[13:27] <D_> That's what makes it interesting
[13:27] <KimiNewt> sure suer
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[13:27] <Dcoetzee> That too :-P
[13:27] <KimiNewt> But I mean kind
[13:27] <KimiNewt> not just polite
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[13:28] <IShadowed> You fuckers have distracted me from work all day long
[13:28] <KimiNewt> there was a guy here a while ago
[13:28] <IShadowed> you should be ashamed.
[13:28] <KimiNewt> he was polite, I guess
[13:28] <KimiNewt> but a real asshole
[13:28] <KimiNewt> he was promptly ejected
[13:28] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: It's what we do <3 Plus you'd have wasted time anyway :-P
[13:29] <IShadowed> quite possibly, mhm
[13:29] <IShadowed> but then I have work
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[13:29] <KimiNewt> IShadowed - if I have led you to believe I'm an idiot
[13:29] <KimiNewt> I'd have you know that it is true
[13:29] <KimiNewt> but I'm good at very specific things and that is why I'm worth being kept alive when the tyrannical regime of your kind rises
[13:30] <IShadowed> mostly just misguided and all too willing to pity yourself
[13:30] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Don't be a douche, Ishy's a good person and is not going to oppress mankind :-P
[13:30] <IShadowed> don't worry, your death will be quick and painless under my reign
[13:30] <Dcoetzee> I imagine more of benevolent reign :-P
[13:30] <D_> How do you know that, Dcoetzee?
[13:31] <D_> ARE YOU IN CAHOOTS?
[13:31] <KimiNewt> If you would kill me you'd be a fool
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[13:31] <KimiNewt> I get paid less than 100$ a month and I work 14 hours a day
[13:31] <KimiNewt> I can be motivated by biscuits
[13:31] <IShadowed> You should get out of that chinese iPhone factory asap, dude
[13:31] <IShadowed> I mean dayum
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[13:31] <KimiNewt> I do it out of choice
[13:32] <IShadowed> what a martyr
�06[13:32] * IShadowed rolls her eyes
[13:32] <KimiNewt> it's fun :/
[13:32] <IShadowed> how can we ever repay you for your sacrifice
[13:32] <KimiNewt> :|
[13:33] <KimiNewt> I'm just gonna eat another biscuit and forget you ever cynically said that
[13:33] <Dcoetzee> D_: She promised me Australia in exchange for my cooperation. I'm pretty sure she's just going to kill me and take it all though.
�02[13:33] * thineantiquepen (~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen) Quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad -�)
[13:33] <D_> But of course you have a plan to double cross her instead?
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[13:33] <IShadowed> His tears will dry when I hand him the keys to a shiny new Australia
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[13:33] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Dr. Horrible? You're amazing :-P
[13:34] <IShadowed> mhm hm
[13:35] <Pharos> australia is a lame prize
[13:35] <KimiNewt> you should always try taking a country with a good space program
[13:35] <Pharos> i;d hold out for south america
[13:35] <KimiNewt> so you'll have an out
[13:35] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Coincidentlaly I just got a copy of that in 1080p for Key, she's not seen it yet
[13:35] <IShadowed> aww
[13:35] <IShadowed> :3
[13:35] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[13:35] <KimiNewt> It's like a game of Heart of Iron, Pharos
[13:35] <D_> Spiders with health bars vs a lot of jungle
[13:35] <KimiNewt> You take on a country like Cyprus
[13:35] <D_> I dunno which one I'd pick
[13:35] <KimiNewt> Just to see if you can
[13:35] <Dcoetzee> Australia is actually of great strategic value in the 21st-22nd centuries
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[13:35] <Dcoetzee> Because of their huge uranium deposits
[13:35] <Pharos> the best i ever did with that was vijayanagar
[13:35] <Dcoetzee> Nuclear power and all that
[13:35] <KimiNewt> I'd take Mars
[13:36] <KimiNewt> Hide in a cave till it's all over
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[13:36] <KimiNewt> everyone blows themselves up
[13:37] <D_> And then come back to the ashes and nuclear winter?
[13:37] <Dcoetzee> Oh the weather outside is frightful
[13:37] <KimiNewt> yes D_
[13:37] <Pharos> earth in nuclear winter is still better weather than mars
[13:37] <Pharos> that's what SF ppl never seem to get
[13:38] <KimiNewt> look at all the poverty, the hatred and lies
[13:38] <Dcoetzee> Pharos: Not a terraformed Mars. In principle
[13:38] <D_> I wonder how deorbiting with everyone dead would go
[13:38] <KimiNewt> and think of the destruction of all that you despise
[13:38] <D_> I mean, you can't splash in an ocean and have a carrier pick you up
[13:38] <KimiNewt> slowly from the ashes a phoenix will arise
[13:38] <Pharos> if you can terraform mars, you can de-winterize earth as well
[13:38] <KimiNewt> in a brave new world
[13:38] <D_> Yes, but you don't want to fuck with Earth too much
[13:39] <D_> on account of environmental protection and all
[13:39] <D_> Go wild on Mars, though
[13:39] <KimiNewt> has no one caught my reference? ]:
[13:39] <IShadowed> I've decided I like that side-hairstyle
[13:39] <Pharos> but there are so many side-hairstyles!
[13:40] <Pharos> how woud one choose?!
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[13:40] <D_> The one that goes tot he side
[13:41] <Pharos> some guy on public radio said it changed his life when he decided to part his hair on the right rather than the left
[13:41] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Which side hairstyle?
[13:41] <IShadowed>
[13:42] <MJ94> omg Dcoetzee
[13:42] <MJ94> <3
[13:42] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: What? :-)
[13:42] <KimiNewt> Pharos - I hate those sort of people
[13:42] <BobTheWikipedian> i've done left-side part since 2nd grade
[13:42] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: u hav twatter bb?
[13:42] <KimiNewt> Shaved heads are the best
[13:42] <KimiNewt> don't have to give a shit about them
[13:42] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: How is babby formed?
[13:42] <KimiNewt> Woke up: ahir in perfect condition
[13:42] <BobTheWikipedian> right side isn't as easy if you're right-handed
[13:42] <Pharos> apparently, when you part on the right side you become cool and everyone loves you
[13:42] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: I'm 12yo and wat dis
[13:43] <KimiNewt> Crawled trhough mud: hair in perfect condition
[13:43] <KimiNewt> Shot in face: hair in perfect condition depending on the direction and entry point of the bullet
[13:43] <Pharos> it was on RadioLab, it has to be true
[13:43] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: This is a srsly emo song :-)
[13:43] <IShadowed> yeah, but I like it
[13:43] <KimiNewt> fuck
[13:43] <Dcoetzee> It's good
[13:43] <KimiNewt> I forgot my kindle in my apartment
[13:43] <Dcoetzee> I haven't heard of this artist before
[13:43] <KimiNewt> am I gonna read on my phone or just go to sleep
[13:44] <KimiNewt> how important IS eyesight, really
[13:44] <MJ94> very
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[13:45] <mareklug> IShadowed ah.  so you finally arrived at good electronic pop.  mareklug hearts Marina's Teen Idle
[13:45] <MJ94> you see, without it, you cannot
�06[13:45] * IShadowed pat pats mareklug
[13:45] <IShadowed> your death shall also be quick and painless
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[13:45] <Dcoetzee> This artist is new to me but the lyrics and the vocalist are quite good
[13:45] <mareklug> IShadowed but you seriously owe yourself the album that came before that, Family Jewels
[13:45] <IShadowed> ..
[13:46] <Pharos> change you part, change your life!
[13:46] <mareklug> Dcoetzee Marina has great pipes.  and writes well, too.
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[13:46] <Pharos> become rich and famous, ppl
[13:46] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[13:46] <IShadowed> The pretty lies, the ugly truth
[13:46] <Carly> o.o
�06[13:46] * Carly I agree
�06[13:46] * Dcoetzee waves to Carly
[13:46] <Carly> oh yes, say it,say it,say it cuz I can
�06[13:46] * Carly hi
�06[13:46] * Carly runs away
�06[13:47] * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
[13:47] <KimiNewt> that reminds me
[13:47] <KimiNewt> you know what is a good song
[13:47] <Carly> :)
�06[13:47] * IShadowed wants to run off to the mall
�06[13:47] * IShadowed sighs
[13:47] <KimiNewt> the mall?
[13:47] <KimiNewt> those exist?
[13:47] <Carly> o-o
[13:47] <Carly> lol
[13:47] <IShadowed> I really want a blue necklace
[13:47] <IShadowed> I don't know why
[13:47] <IShadowed> I just do.
[13:47] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Well get one then :-P
[13:47] <KimiNewt> I don't think I've been in a mall in like
[13:47] <Pharos> the National Mall only
[13:47] <IShadowed> Yeah pretty much
[13:47] <Dcoetzee> Hmmmm I should link some dance music I like too
[13:48] <Peter-C>
[13:48] <mareklug> IShadowed you probably would dig zuni inlay jewelry with flush turquoise.  not the gaudy Navajo pieces
[13:48] <Carly> market attracts people
[13:48] <Dcoetzee> "Satellite" :-)
�06[13:48] * Carly runs away
[13:48] <KimiNewt> how about music that isn't dance but is groovy to dance to
[13:48] <KimiNewt> By Lena, Dcoetzee? :P
[13:48] <Dcoetzee> Nope
[13:48] <IShadowed> mareklug, I'm just searching for mall stores that sell them
[13:48] <Dcoetzee> Oceanlab
[13:48] <IShadowed> I reaaaally hate going into Claire's
[13:48] <Dcoetzee> I'm a fan of vocal trance
[13:48] <IShadowed> it's crap and for like, 5 year olds
[13:48] <Carly> xd
[13:48] <KimiNewt>
[13:48] <IShadowed> but they have them
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[13:48] <Pharos> Peter-C is a Hitchcock villain
[13:49] <Peter-C> 5-1-5-0 somebody call the po po
[13:50] <IShadowed> I like how all of the necklaces listed from Hot Topic are like dog collars
[13:50] <IShadowed> very classy
[13:50] <IShadowed> 9_9
[13:50] <KimiNewt> you're in the UK, IShadowed?
[13:50] <IShadowed> no
[13:50] <Dcoetzee> Well that's Hot Topic :-P
[13:50] <KimiNewt> US?
[13:50] <IShadowed> mhm
[13:50] <Pharos> Strangers on a Train
[13:50] <KimiNewt> well
[13:50] <KimiNewt> that's too far to travel for a single murder
[13:50] <addshore> Anyone around that does lots of work on the abuse filters?
[13:50] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Don't threaten her :-P
[13:50] <IShadowed> Bitch please, I'd take you down so fast you wouldn't even remember
[13:50] <Dcoetzee> Last warning
[13:50] <KimiNewt> I'm not threatening
[13:50] <KimiNewt> She theatened me twice, if anything
[13:50] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, don't worry about it, he's 12, I can hold my own
�06[13:50] * Carly I'm gonna kick my feet up then stare at the fan Turn the TV on, throw my hand in my pants Nobody's gon' tell me I can't ♬
[13:51] <Carly> xd
[13:51] <MJ94> I'm gonna threaten you all with my fist in a second.
�06[13:51] * Carly hides
[13:51] <MJ94> Carly: hawt
[13:51] <KimiNewt> this is all very threatening
[13:51] <IShadowed> I may not object.
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[13:51] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Alright, I'll let you handle him :-P
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[13:51] <Dcoetzee> Carly's quoting "The Lazy Song" which is an awful song :-P
[13:51] <KimiNewt> I like it
[13:51] <Carly> :D
�06[13:51] * IShadowed rolls up her sleeves and chalks her hands
[13:51] <Carly> yes
[13:52] <KimiNewt> it is a good theme for the lazy
[13:52] <Carly> Dcoetzee, No
�06[13:52] * IShadowed bitchslaps KimiNewt and watches the cloud of chalk rise up
[13:52] <Carly> is not
[13:52] <IShadowed> how artistic
[13:52] <Carly> I love the lazy song
[13:52] <Pharos> no fighting in the war room!
[13:52] <Carly> and is not awful
[13:52] <Carly> for me
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�06[13:52] * Carly attacks Pharos
[13:52] <Carly> :|
[13:52] <MJ94> THEY LIKE DRAMA
[13:52] <Dcoetzee> No it's not :-P "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay" is a good theme for the lazy. "The Lazy Song" is a vapid masturbatory celebration of stupidity.
[13:52] <Pharos> ahhh
[13:52] <IShadowed> "The Lazy Song" is a vapid masturbatory celebration of stupidity.
[13:52] <Dcoetzee> Buuut that's just my opinion :-P
[13:52] <IShadowed> sounds like my kind of song
[13:52] <KimiNewt> It's just a song
[13:52] <KimiNewt> Chill
[13:53] <Dcoetzee> I am chill :-)
[13:53] <KimiNewt> did you listen to the song I linked
[13:53] <IShadowed> Nope
�06[13:53] * Carly turn on the radio next to Dcoetzee and "The lazy song" is playing
[13:53] <KimiNewt> I asked Dcoetzee but okay
�06[13:53] * Carly runs away
[13:53] <KimiNewt> the swiss lips one I mean
[13:53] <Dcoetzee> Carly:  :-P
[13:53] <KimiNewt> not the lena one
[13:54] <Carly> Dcoetzee, lol I love it
[13:54] <Carly> why not
[13:54] <KimiNewt> it's too mainstream for Dcoetzee
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[13:54] <IShadowed>
[13:54] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: I like lots of mainstream pop :-P
[13:54] <IShadowed> > we'll die inside this salted earth together.
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[13:55] <Carly> I am going to eat cheese
[13:55] <Carly> bye alll
[13:55] <Dcoetzee> Like Adele is good. Ellie Goulding's "Lights" was in the charts and that's spectacular.
[13:55] <IShadowed> excellent
[13:55] <Dcoetzee> Carly: Enjoy :-)
[13:55] <KimiNewt> how about this then Dcoetzee
[13:55] <Carly> Dcoetzee, I am sure you like cheese
[13:55] <Carly> xd
[13:55] <IShadowed> aw
�06[13:55] * Carly runs away
[13:56] <Dcoetzee> Carly: I do :-)
[13:56] <Carly> :)
[13:56] <IShadowed> I missed a Math & Science academy lecture with someone from the FBI
[13:56] <IShadowed> lame
[13:56] <IShadowed> I should stop being fucking lazy
[13:56] <Dcoetzee> :-(
[13:56] <KimiNewt> THE FBI
�03[13:56] * Hazard-SJ is now known as Hazard-Away
[13:56] <Carly> o.o
[13:56] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Doo wop is kinda fun :-P
[13:56] <KimiNewt> shananana
[13:57] <Carly> >.<
[13:57] <Carly> KimiNewt, LOL
[13:57] <Carly> XD
[13:57] <IShadowed>
[13:57] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Speaking of doo wop, have you heard Weird Al's "One More Minute"?
[13:57] <KimiNewt> no actually
[13:57] <KimiNewt> though I listened to most of his stuff
[13:57] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt:
[13:57] <IShadowed> I would so bang Mark Jansen
[13:57] <Dcoetzee> It's good :-)
[13:57] <IShadowed> just throwing that out there
�02[13:58] * Posto5 (~posto5@ Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer�)
[13:58] <KimiNewt> watching
�06[13:58] * Dcoetzee looks up Mark Jansen
[13:58] <KimiNewt> listening
[13:58] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Okay I'm with you on that one
[13:58] <Dcoetzee> I'm a fan of long haired guys
[13:58] <IShadowed> :P
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[13:58] <IShadowed> He's quite intelligent as well
[13:58] <IShadowed> And talented, clearly
�06[13:58] * IShadowed sighs
[13:58] <Dcoetzee> And has a lot of energy :-)
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[13:59] <IShadowed>
�06[13:59] * IShadowed shivers
[13:59] <KimiNewt> like I said
[13:59] <KimiNewt> shaved heads all the way
[13:59] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Nice :-)
[13:59] <Dcoetzee> Just perfect timing on that shot
[13:59] <KimiNewt> long hair is for metalheads and 14 year olds
[13:59] <KimiNewt> and potheads
[14:00] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, permission to kill KimiNewt?
[14:00] <Yetanotherx> Is it wrong that the first part of that picture I see is the Shire ULX handheld with a Beta 87 capsule?
�03[14:00] * Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away
[14:00] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: I'm not in any of those categories. :-P But I am a radical social progresive living in San Francisco, so I think I get to have long hair anyway.
[14:00] <KimiNewt> Okay I should really go to sleep
[14:00] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Not right now, Ishy :-P
[14:00] <KimiNewt> gotta catch a 7am bus back to the base ]:
�06[14:00] * IShadowed scowls.
[14:00] <IShadowed> No fun.
[14:00] <KimiNewt> Supposed to do something at 9am
[14:00] <D_> I just accidentally created a duplicate item on Wikidata
[14:01] <BobTheWikipedian> man...people like linux why?
[14:01] <D_> It was also the first item I ever created on Wikidata
[14:01] <D_> I am ashamed of myself
[14:01] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: You can kill him later if he misbehaves :-P
[14:01] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: Night, sleep well :-)
�06[14:01] * IShadowed wrinkles her nose.
[14:01] <KimiNewt> this world would be so much worse off if I die
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[14:01] <BobTheWikipedian> now xconfigurator is giving me heck
[14:01] <D_> BobTheWikipedian: I ask myself the same question about most operating systems
[14:01] <KimiNewt> BobTheWikipedian - it's so good
[14:02] <IShadowed>
[14:02] <BobTheWikipedian> it won't let me specify my video card has 128 MB of ram
[14:02] <KimiNewt> If I could use bash normally in windows
[14:02] <KimiNewt> maybe that'll be better
[14:02] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, what distro and what problem are you having with it?
[14:02] <D_> Well, there's Cygwin
[14:02] <BarkingFish> That was fast :)
[14:02] <Dcoetzee> KimiNewt: SLEEP
[14:02] <D_> But you said "normally"
[14:02] <KimiNewt> but that's shit
�06[14:02] * Dcoetzee puts KimiNewt to bed
[14:02] <KimiNewt> yeah
[14:02] <KimiNewt> grr
[14:02] <BobTheWikipedian> xconfigurator 4.9.39
[14:02] <KimiNewt> fine
[14:02] <BobTheWikipedian> it's a 2001 version i suppose
[14:02] <BarkingFish> Anyways BobTheWikipedian, what distro are you on?
[14:03] <BobTheWikipedian> red hat 7.2 i think
[14:03] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[14:03] <BobTheWikipedian> yes
�02[14:03] * KimiNewt ( Quit (Quit: Quit�)
[14:03] <BobTheWikipedian> because that's what came with the red hat linux 7.2 unleased book
[14:03] <D_> Just install Ubuntu
[14:03] <D_> It basically installs itself
[14:04] <IShadowed>
[14:04] <IShadowed> dear god, her voice is so perfect
�06[14:04] * IShadowed sighs
[14:04] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, red hat 7.2 isn't even stable
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[14:04] <BobTheWikipedian> neither is any operating system
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[14:05] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Pro portrait of him, a little overprocessed but nice
[14:05] <BarkingFish> the last stable version is 6.3 - you're pretty much running a beta
[14:05] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
[14:05] <BobTheWikipedian> this book is 11 years old though
[14:06] <BobTheWikipedian> i thought red hat is supposed to be the best flavor out there
[14:06] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, i know that no OS is "stable", but there's "stable" (it works) and "stable" (we've tested it and nothing's fucked as far as we can see, but you can test it)
[14:06] <BarkingFish> most linux is the second variety
[14:06] <D_> and then there's arch
[14:06] <IShadowed> I dunno, I prefer the more violent poses
[14:06] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: She sounds like she has opera training
[14:06] <BarkingFish> and no way is red hat the best.
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[14:06] <IShadowed> she probably does
[14:06] <IShadowed> it's flawless
[14:06] <Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Red Hat is dead
[14:07] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Is not!
[14:07] <Dcoetzee> Might as well be!
[14:07] <IShadowed> Speaking of Epica, is hot
[14:07] <Dcoetzee> If you all wanna know what distros are popular, visit and look in the right hand column
[14:08] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Why am I not surprised at all that you're into symphonic metal
[14:08] <IShadowed> :P
[14:08] <BarkingFish> Kubuntu, Ubuntu or SUSE are the best ones, BobTheWikipedian
[14:08] <IShadowed> The chorus in that song is like
[14:08] <IShadowed> *fans self*
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[14:08] <IShadowed> Hm, Storm the Sorrow too, for Jansen's part
[14:08] <IShadowed> the video is like asdfghjkl;
[14:08] <D_> You use that adjective a lot
[14:08] <BarkingFish> I'm on Kubuntu, but I beta test, so I always have a "broken" distro
[14:08] <BobTheWikipedian> mint, eh?
[14:09] <D_> It's like Ubuntu, but flavored
[14:09] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
[14:09] <Dcoetzee> Mint flavoured
[14:09] <MJ94> No
[14:09] <MJ94> That's Linux Mint.
[14:10] <BarkingFish> Oh i forgot. It comes plain, MJ94 - you have to compile the flavor :)
[14:10] <MJ94> Oh, okay :D
[14:10] <BobTheWikipedian> the screenshot of mint appears to mimic windows pre-8
[14:10] <SigmaWP> Mate is just a desktop environment
[14:11] <BarkingFish> anyways BobTheWikipedian - there are better distros available than Red hat, believe me.  Go download a couple of ISOs from different places, or take a look here for a full list:
[14:11] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: That song is srsly intense
[14:11] <IShadowed> It is
[14:11] <SigmaWP> BobTheWikipedian: What are you using anyway?
[14:11] <BobTheWikipedian> ubuntu drives me crazy with its african drums
[14:11] <BobTheWikipedian> red hat
[14:11] <SigmaWP> Red Hat itself, or its derivatives?
[14:11] <MJ94>
[14:12] <BobTheWikipedian> it's red hat 7.2 publisher's edition
[14:12] <MJ94> "no risk of getting viruses"
[14:12] <MJ94> ya ok
[14:12] <SigmaWP> Ah, then Dcoetzee is right
[14:12] <Dcoetzee> Linux has little to no risk of getting viruses
�06[14:12] * SigmaWP suggests getting one of its children
[14:12] <Dcoetzee> Due to economics
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[14:12] <Dcoetzee> So few people have it, it's not an attractive target for attackers
[14:12] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Due to sudo, rather
[14:12] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee,
[14:12] <IShadowed>
�06[14:12] * D_ gets one of SigmaWP's children 
[14:12] <SigmaWP> D_: Joke's on you, I don't have any!
[14:12] <Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Not really, that's easy to circumvent, and Windows uses a restricted account now too
[14:12] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, ever considered turning the application notifications off? :)
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[14:12] <BarkingFish> Silence the drums!
[14:12] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: K
[14:13] <MJ94> System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch Retina Mid-2012) • CPU: Intel Core i7-3720QM (8 Cores) @ 2.60 GHz • L2: 262.14 KB • L3: 6.29 MB • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 6 Hours • Disk Space: Total: 499.42 GB; Free: 170.28 GB • Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 (Retina Enabled) • Load: 13% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8.2 (Mountain Lion) (Build 12C3006)
[14:13] <BobTheWikipedian> i tried installing ubuntu anyway and it wouldn't run on that computer
[14:13] <D_> Sound doesn't work half of the time on my Ubuntu anyway
[14:13] <BobTheWikipedian> this is the first time i've gotten any distro of linux to install on it
[14:13] <IShadowed> Ugh
[14:13] <D_> I have to start pulseaudio manually or it gets into some race condition on system startup and either works or doesn't
[14:13] <IShadowed> Unf, rather. Someone here is wearing the best cologne.
[14:13] <BobTheWikipedian> anyway i might try mint and see what happens
[14:15] <SigmaWP> BobTheWikipedian: Isn't mint ubuntu-based?
[14:15] <BarkingFish> yep
[14:15] <SigmaWP> yep
�06[14:15] * SigmaWP pat pats BarkingFish 
[14:15] <BarkingFish> No drums though from what I remember :D
[14:15] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[14:16] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Wow that bridge with piano by Simone is spectacular
[14:17] <IShadowed> it is
[14:17] <IShadowed> Epica is incredible
[14:17] <Dcoetzee> Also how the hell did we get such good freely licensed media of her
[14:17] <Dcoetzee>
[14:17] <BobTheWikipedian> yeesh. huge 879 mb download comin up
[14:18] <SigmaWP> BobTheWikipedian: Try Fedora
[14:18] <SigmaWP> Fedora 17
[14:18] <BobTheWikipedian> slow internet for the next 6 hours...
�02[14:18] * Hazard-Away (~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds�)
[14:18] <D_> That's huge?
[14:18] <Dcoetzee> 879 MB isn't huge :-P
[14:18] <BobTheWikipedian> on this connection, 1MB is huge
[14:18] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: You can order discs for cheap
[14:18] <Dcoetzee> If you prefer
[14:18] <BobTheWikipedian> lol 6h is faster
[14:18] <D_> Is your connection a dude with a morse code key?
�02[14:19] * qq[IrcCity] (~qq@wikimedia/Incnis-Mrsi) Quit (Quit: shutdown�)
[14:19] <BobTheWikipedian> likely yes
[14:19] <BobTheWikipedian> "high-speed broadband" i laugh...
[14:19] <Dcoetzee> D_: −− −−− ·−· ··· ·  −·−· −−− −·· ·  ··· ··− −·−· −·− ···
[14:20] <BobTheWikipedian> this hardly deserves to be called dsl
�06[14:20] * SigmaWP high fives BobTheWikipedian 
[14:20] <IShadowed> asshole
�02[14:20] * Wildblue ( Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds�)
[14:20] <SigmaWP> Shitty internet people, unite!
�03[14:20] * Hazard-Away (~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ) has joined #wikipedia-en
[14:20] <BarkingFish> D_, maybe there's someone at the other end with an enigma machine trying to decrypt it :)
�06[14:20] * BobTheWikipedian high-fives sigmawp
[14:20] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: ? :-P
�03[14:20] * Hazard-Away is now known as Hazard-SJ
[14:20] <D_> Ah, pre-SSL SSL
[14:20] <IShadowed> Yeah, you.
[14:20] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Why? :-P
[14:20] <IShadowed> <Dcoetzee> D_: −− −−− ·−· ··· ·  −·−· −−− −·· ·  ··· ··− −·−· −·− ···
[14:21] <BobTheWikipedian> oo now it says five hours
[14:21] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: I didn't know you read Morse Code :-P
[14:21] <BobTheWikipedian> and now 7 :(
[14:21] <mareklug> IShadowed this would go well with the black festive formal dress.  just tell your parents you want it for your birthday
[14:21] <D_> That's what it says
[14:21] <BobTheWikipedian> 9...
[14:21] <Dcoetzee> Yup
[14:21] <IShadowed> mareklug, kinda looks like a ballsack
[14:21] <IShadowed> a pretty ballsack, though
[14:21] <IShadowed> so y'know.
[14:21] <BobTheWikipedian> eh...forget it. i'll do it another day
[14:22] <D_> You're all for wearing pretty ballsacks on your neck?
[14:22] <mareklug> as they say, in the eye of the beholder. erm.
[14:22] <Dcoetzee> Turquoise balls?
[14:22] <IShadowed> D_, I usually pickel those, but I can make an exception
[14:22] <IShadowed> fuck
[14:22] <IShadowed> pickle
[14:22] <IShadowed> I can't type
[14:22] <IShadowed> seriously, give me a gun
[14:22] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Stop being perfectionist :-P
[14:23] <IShadowed> I hate myself
[14:23] <D_> Pretty sure that'd be illegal
[14:23] <IShadowed> assisted suicide isn't illegal in WA
[14:23] <IShadowed> just saying
[14:23] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: It is if the person assisting doesn't have a medical license :-P
[14:23] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: And you're not in WA :-P
[14:23] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee is going for a doctorate, close enough
�06[14:23] * Dcoetzee facepalms
[14:23] <mareklug> IShadowed pretty sure blowing someone away, whether you have a md license or not, is not covered, even in wa
[14:23] <Dcoetzee> And I'm not going to help you shoot yourself over typos :-P
[14:23] <D_> I've watched all of House
[14:24] <D_> That's close enough
[14:24] <MJ94> bbbbbbbblllll
[14:24] <IShadowed> Dcoetzee, way to help friends
[14:24] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Byebye!
[14:24] <IShadowed> 9_9
[14:24] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: Bye!
[14:24] <MJ94> See PM :)
[14:24] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: One of the most important lessons is that sometimes helping friends means *not* doing what they want :-P
[14:24] <MJ94> ^ ^ ^
[14:24] <IShadowed> In some sick, twisted universe, sure
[14:25] <MJ94> lol'd
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[14:25] <IShadowed> Seriously, my god, someone here smells amazing.
[14:25] <IShadowed> Can't handle it
[14:25] <MJ94> Dcoetzee: hurry up and tell me if I tagged that right so I can go pig out on food w/ my gf
[14:25] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: You should track them down. Follow your nose :-P
[14:25] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: I did!
[14:25] <BarkingFish> lol.  Even as an ex-catholic, this still makes me laugh :)  Titled "The only miracle the Pope can still do..."
[14:25] <Dcoetzee> MJ94: Go enjoy your food and/or gf :-)
[14:26] <mareklug> IShadowed this is a human scent or a fragrance?
[14:26] <IShadowed> Yeah, because walking up to someone and sniffing them isn't strange at all
[14:26] <MJ94> One in the same.
[14:26] <MJ94> ;)
[14:26] <IShadowed> fragrance
[14:26] <IShadowed> it's some sort of sexual cologne
[14:26] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: It's almost impossible for girls to be creepy. Gender roles, abuse them!
[14:26] <IShadowed> that came out wrong
[14:26] <IShadowed> can't think, brain overheating
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[14:26] <mareklug> IShadowed that is not the same thing as being felled by a garlicky pheromone type deal
�06[14:26] * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
[14:26] <IShadowed> ...
[14:26] <IShadowed> ..ugh.
[14:27] <IShadowed> actually
[14:27] <IShadowed> ..nevermid
[14:27] <IShadowed> OH MY GOD
[14:27] <IShadowed> +n
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�06[14:27] * Dcoetzee comforts IShadowed
[14:27] <Dcoetzee> It's okay. The typos will end. When you sleep.
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[14:27] <Carly> ツ
�06[14:27] * IShadowed sighs
[14:28] <IShadowed> I don't know why I've been so bad lately
[14:28] <BobTheWikipedian> ugh i made a huge mistake on wednesday
[14:28] <IShadowed> Two weeks ago I was like the paragon of academic responsibility and grammatical correctness.
[14:29] <IShadowed> Clearly I have developed a brain tumor.
[14:29] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: You're doing fine, Ishy
[14:29] <Dcoetzee> You made a few very small mistakes here and there.
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[14:29] <Dcoetzee> It's not a big deal.
[14:29] <IShadowed> It is!
[14:29] <Dcoetzee> Some of this stuff will happen just due to chance
[14:29] <Dcoetzee> You can't always be perfect.
[14:29] <IShadowed> Nope
[14:29] <Dcoetzee> Just usually.
[14:29] <IShadowed> I can
[14:29] <IShadowed> eventually
[14:29] <IShadowed> maybe
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[14:32] <IShadowed> it's ok
[14:32] <IShadowed> I have 8 weeks to get my shit together
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[14:38] <Maple__>  
[14:38] <IShadowed>
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[14:39] <D_> "I was later expelled."
[14:39] <D_> I liked the story right up until that
[14:39] <Maple__> ...
[14:39] <D_> clearly the guy wasn't good enough
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[14:42] <mareklug> BobTheWikipedian so you are keeping us in suspense
[14:42] <BobTheWikipedian> am i?
[14:42] <D_> He's consulting his lawyer
[14:42] <mareklug> "[17:27:55] <BobTheWikipedian>	 ugh i made a huge mistake on wednesday"
[14:43] <BobTheWikipedian> oh well no one asked so i dropped it
[14:43] <mareklug> unless you were using the channel as a confensional
[14:43] <mareklug> confesional *
[14:43] <Maple__> confessional?
[14:43] <mareklug> all three
[14:43] <D_> Confession facilitating implement
[14:44] <mareklug> in that case, your penance is 16 Marina and the Diamonds as well, the going rate.
[14:44] <Dcoetzee> Fun fact: after getting a vasectomy, you have to ejaculate at least 100 times before they test you for azospermia. I wonder how Catholics manage that if masturbation is a sin.
[14:44] <IShadowed> ....
[14:44] <IShadowed> not sure anyone wanted to know this
[14:44] <D_> Is it still a sin if it's done for medical purposes?
[14:44] <mareklug> Dcoetzee why, they get a dispensation.
[14:44] <mareklug> hee hee
[14:44] <D_> Also, is vasectomy not a sin in itself?
[14:45] <Dcoetzee> Probably
[14:45] <Dcoetzee> Purpose of sex is recreation and all that
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[14:45] <Dcoetzee> It was only recently legalised in some Muslim countries
[14:45] <mareklug> recreation sex?
[14:45] <Dcoetzee> errr
[14:45] <D_> You mean reproduction
[14:45] <Dcoetzee> procreation
[14:45] <D_> Recreation is exactly what they don't want
[14:45] <Peter-C> SEX FOR BABIES
[14:45] <D_> Don't sex babies
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[14:45] <Peter-C> Sex is to make babies
[14:46] <Peter-C> ohai SigmaWP
[14:46] <mareklug> The Roches (a sisters folk group) had a song on one of their early albums titled "Sex is for Children"
[14:46] <mareklug> I guess times are too taboo for that now
[14:46] <SigmaWP> So like 20 minutes ago we were talking about linux
[14:46] <SigmaWP> How the HELL did we get to recreational sex
[14:46] <BarkingFish> ftr, Vasectomy is a mortal sin in Catholicism.
[14:46] <mareklug> SigmaWP sex is mounted usually on /opt
[14:46] <D_> Well, Dcoetzee was entertaining us with trivia about vasectomies
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[14:46] <IShadowed> ahha, recreation sex
[14:46] <BarkingFish> The church teaches that any kind of birth control is a sin
[14:46] <IShadowed> <Dcoetzee> Purpose of sex is recreation and all that
[14:46] <IShadowed> inadvertently accurate
[14:47] <mareklug> BarkingFish the church does allow the monthly calendar thingee
[14:48] <geniice> If I recall my school lessons correctly I think the standard is "say no to sex before drugs"
[14:48] <BobTheWikipedian> lol... "Rocky has lost because life total reached 0. You have won because all opponents have lost."
[14:49] <BarkingFish> yes, of course - the rhythm method, mareklug
[14:49] <D_> My high school "health" class was basically an overview of a diverse bunch of drugs and STDs
[14:49] <BarkingFish> a woman is not fertile during their visit from the once a month fairy :)
[14:49] <IShadowed> ^
[14:49] <D_> It made me want to do more drugs
[14:49] <IShadowed> BarkingFish, not true
[14:49] <IShadowed> nottttt trueeeee
[14:49] <BobTheWikipedian> ooo a catholicism debate count me in
[14:49] <BarkingFish> which is about the only time you can bonk her to death and know you're not gonna wind up with a child
[14:50] <IShadowed> no no no no no
[14:50] <IShadowed> noooo
[14:50] <IShadowed> so not accurate
[14:50] <IShadowed> please do not do this
[14:50] <BobTheWikipedian> what
[14:50] <D_> Well, if you bonk her to death, she's probably not going to be giving birth any time soon
[14:50] <D_> on account of being dead
[14:50] <furry> D_, anything can happen
[14:50] <D_> Like a zombie apocalypse?
[14:50] <mareklug> she can be in vegetative state and give assisted birth
[14:50] <furry> yes
[14:51] <BarkingFish> ok, IShadowed - let me rephrase that. She is not "not fertile", merely "not receptive"
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[14:51] <IShadowed> also not true
[14:51] <IShadowed> less likely to be receptive, but not entirely impossible
[14:51] <BarkingFish> an egg will not implant during a period, IShadowed
[14:51] <IShadowed> irrelevant
[14:51] <IShadowed> sperm can survive for enough time depending
[14:51] <BobTheWikipedian> i read eggplant
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[14:51] <IShadowed> there have been tons of cases where someone thought what you just said and then they got preggers
[14:52] <IShadowed> Sex Ed 101 right here
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[14:53] <BarkingFish> IShadowed, which is why the Rhythm method is one of the most difficult methods of birth control to perform correctly
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[14:54] <D_>
[14:54] <BarkingFish> Many people think the same thing, and perform accordingly
[14:54] <mareklug> this argument is pointless, IShadowed / BarkingFish for you never know when god decides to make your wife give a virgin birth.  YMMV
[14:54] <BarkingFish> If they do it absolutely correctly, the chances of having a baby are between 0 and "no fucking chance"
[14:55] <D_> So the safest thing is to deflower your wife so she can't give virgin birth?
[14:55] <BarkingFish> :)
[14:55] <mareklug> D_ hmm. interesting procedural point.
[14:56] <BarkingFish> and another thing - and this argument comes from a friend of mine at work, who is an Obstetrician.
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[14:56] <Pharos> what are you talking about, anyone with christ can be a virgin nowadays
[14:56] <BarkingFish> The annunciation to the BVM was in the sixth month after her conception, right?
[14:57] <Pharos> all you have to do is say "all that's behind, i'm a vergin again, hail mary, amen"
[14:57] <Pharos> seriously, it's a thing people do
[14:57] <D_> Revirginification?
[14:57] <Pharos> yes
[14:57] <Pharos> spritual revirginification
[14:58] <D_> I guess it makes sense, but totally changes the meaning of the word in the first place
[14:58] <Pharos> this meaning of the word is more pragmatic
[14:59] <Dcoetzee> Conversation grows ever weirder :-P
[14:59] <D_> It equates "virgin" with "chaste"
[14:59] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Sperm live about 3 days I believe
[14:59] <BobTheWikipedian> barkingfish no
[14:59] <Dcoetzee> I had a weird thought once
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[14:59] <BarkingFish> and catholics celebrate the annunciation on 25th of March.  Which means that technically, if the Blessed mother was already 6 months gone in March, She would be due around 23rd of June
[14:59] <Dcoetzee> What if humans don't actually give birth to other humans
[15:00] <Dcoetzee> What if humans give birth to gamete - sperm and eggs
[15:00] <Dcoetzee> And *they* give birth to other humans?
[15:00] <BobTheWikipedian> sixth month after her cousin's conception
[15:00] <D_> What if humans lay eggs?
[15:00] <BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, they can actually live up to a week depending on where they're deposited
[15:00] <D_> I trust that's not "toilet seat"
[15:00] <Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: More if frozen
[15:00] <BarkingFish> outside the body, barely an hour or two - inside another body, up to 7 days from ejaculation
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[15:01] <Dcoetzee> Also
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[15:01] <Dcoetzee> It's kinda weird that we can freeze sperm and they live pretty much forever
[15:01] <Dcoetzee> But we can't do the same with people
[15:02] <D_> People are more complex
[15:02] <Dcoetzee> So in principle a person's genes could live long after their death
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[15:02] <D_> I recall reading something about the half-life of genetic material recently
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[15:02] <Dcoetzee> Like, if we had George Washington's sperm today, would some women want to have his baby?
[15:02] <D_> Which amounted to "no, we can't clone dinosaurs"
[15:03] <Dcoetzee> That would seriously mess with family trees
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[15:03] <Pharos> sperm lasts frozen
[15:03] <D_> Our mistake was representing them as trees in the first place
[15:03] <Pharos> we could find Henry Hudson's sperm one day
[15:03] <mareklug> yeah, but even very frigid girls are not that cold
[15:03] <BobTheWikipedian> lol...i have a weirdo in my family tree...she married 7 men by the time she was 20
[15:03] <D_> They're directed acyclic graphs
[15:03] <BobTheWikipedian> and they all died
[15:04] <Dcoetzee> D_: Well obviously
[15:04] <Dcoetzee> With time travel possibly cyclic graphs
[15:04] <MBisanz> Superfreak and WilliamH_UK around?
[15:04] <Bradford> Hola mareklug :D
[15:04] <Bradford> hi all (-8
[15:04] <Dcoetzee> BobTheWikipedian: That's really bizarre
[15:04] <mareklug> Bradford hola Bradford
[15:04] <WilliamH_UK> yes
[15:04] <WilliamH_UK> hi
[15:04] <MBisanz> duh and I have a question for you
[15:04] <Dcoetzee> Are you sure she wasn't poisoning them?
[15:04] <Superfreak> MBisanz: Sup sup.
[15:04] <MBisanz> Superfreak and WilliamH_UK
[15:04] <MBisanz> legoktm = duh
[15:04] <BobTheWikipedian> what's even funnier is when one would die, she'd marry his next-in-line brother
[15:05] <BobTheWikipedian> i wonder if there was tb in the family
[15:05] <MBisanz> Right now, there is a zero-edit account at en and 10 other un-attached accounts on other projects
[15:05] <MBisanz> duh wants it as a doppleganger and owns one of the other 10 accounts, but doesn't have the best claim to a presumptive SUL
[15:06] <MBisanz> if duh agrees to give up his en and meta dopplegangers if any of the other 9 claimants assert an SUL, would it be ok?
[15:06] <Superfreak> Sounds fine to me.
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[15:06] <BobTheWikipedian> yesterday he indicated he was doing it on a spare account...i didn't think he'd actually do it
[15:07] <duh> BobTheWikipedian: yeah its one of my alt accounts i never used
[15:08] <MBisanz> ok, thanks Superfreak
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[15:08] <MBisanz> duh: drop a note somewhere on wiki saying you want it, but will waive it to any better claimaints in the future.
[15:08] <duh> ok
[15:09] <BobTheWikipedian> wow, i just noticed how quickly the topic changed
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[15:11] <WilliamH_UK> herp derp, sorry, was distracted by my flatmate
[15:11] <duh> MBisanz: done
[15:11] <Pharos> bob: that's levirite marriage i think
[15:11] <WilliamH_UK> duh looks reasonable
[15:12] <MBisanz> thanks
[15:12] <BobTheWikipedian> pharos appears so. i know it was once commonplace
[15:12] <Pharos> it's biblical, even!
[15:12] <BobTheWikipedian> indeed
[15:12] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, just to make my last lot of statements clear, you will note that the comments I made were an argument from a colleague of mine at work, not my own words :)
[15:12] <BobTheWikipedian> oooo
[15:12] <duh> <-- pretty funny
[15:12] <BobTheWikipedian> noted
[15:13] <Pharos> i think in the bible, it was considered a duty of the brother to support his brother's widow
[15:13] <duh> it shows the geneology tree of a family using wikidata
[15:13] <BobTheWikipedian> levirate, actually, pharos
[15:13] <duh> is a good example
[15:13] <Pharos> it was seen as doing right by the widow
[15:13] <Pharos> levirate indeed
[15:13] <BobTheWikipedian> coolness
[15:13] <D_> People are already doing thing with WD?
[15:13] <D_> Neat?
[15:14] <D_> Also, if I call it WD, will anyone know what I'm talking about?
[15:14] <BarkingFish> lol :)  Anyone smell obvious troll on this?;_ylt=AhcGj.DRNh1W5GaLMlZW7OuxDH1G;_ylv=3?qid=20130216151051AAgVEsM
[15:14] <duh> yes
[15:14] <BobTheWikipedian> yikes it wants to crash my seamonkey though
[15:15] <SigmaWP> duh: Is that Philip II or something?
[15:15] <SigmaWP> Or Charles
[15:15] <SigmaWP> Or whoever that guy was with the creepy incestual family tree
[15:15] <D_> BarkingFish: Look at the guy's other questions
[15:15] <duh> a prussian i think
[15:15] <D_> "What is with all these 12-14 year olds getting pregnant?"
[15:15] <D_> "How to reassemble a baby?"
[15:16] <Dcoetzee> ...
[15:16] <Dcoetzee> Hmm LyricsBot is doing Jay-Z
[15:16] <BarkingFish> D_, I just hooked that one cause it made me lol hard :)
[15:17] <BobTheWikipedian> duh - how do i enter a person to search for?
[15:18] <D_> Find them on wikidata and use the Q-number?
[15:18] <D_> Or alternatively find them on enwp and use the "edit links" link
[15:18] <D_> under languages
[15:18] <duh> BobTheWikipedian: yes what D_ said
[15:18] <duh> theres a userscript that easily gives you the number as well
[15:19] <duh> importScriptURI("// rand/WikidataInfo.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
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[15:19] <Bsadowski1> duh, can we mention in that Battle Bears did one also?
[15:20] <D_> duh: That's for any project?
[15:20] <duh> D_: yes
[15:20] <duh> Bsadowski1: wtf is harlem shake?
[15:20] <Bsadowski1>
[15:20] <D_> and I can import scripts from other domains?
[15:20] <Carly> Hi BobTheWikipedian
[15:20] <Carly> :D
[15:20] <BobTheWikipedian> hi carly
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[15:21] <duh> D_: yes, though it might be limited to wmf domains
[15:21] <D_> ah, ok
[15:22] <duh> this seems like a stupid meme
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[15:24] <Pharos> Breaking news from Siberia: Duck-and-cover works
[15:24] <Pharos> i knew it all along!
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[15:29] <Hahc21> Any admin that can do me a little favour?
[15:29] <Bradford> Hello Hahc21 (-8
[15:30] <Hahc21> Hey Bradford
[15:30] <SigmaWP> Hahc21: There could have been ;-;
[15:30] <Bradford> :D
[15:30] <Hahc21> T.T
[15:30] <Bradford> T::T
[15:30] <Hahc21> Yes, we could have both been admins but meh
[15:30] <Hahc21> Well, I need an admin to delete a page, just routinary G6
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[15:32] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmm so i am wondering now...let's say i want to improve wikidata's page on the psychedelic frogfish. what can i do to improve it?
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[15:32] <BobTheWikipedian> currently all it has is a list of interwikis
[15:33] <BarkingFish> soak it in something rich in psilocybin, and let people enjoy the full effects of it ::)
[15:33] <Hahc21> Well, in the case an admin appears
[15:33] <Hahc21> I need this G6'd
[15:33] <Hahc21>
[15:33] <D_> Are species properties in yet?
[15:33] <BobTheWikipedian> nope
[15:33] <BobTheWikipedian> is there a sample of a good entry i can look at?
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[15:33] <Dcoetzee> A wild admin appears
[15:33] <Hahc21> Yay
[15:33] <D_>
[15:34] <D_> They seem to be
[15:34] <Hahc21> Dcoetzee, zap that for me pliz
[15:34] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: Please explain why it's a G6
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[15:34] <Dcoetzee> I don't understand
[15:34] <BobTheWikipedian> okay thanks :)
[15:34] <Hahc21> Okay
[15:34] <Carly> hi
[15:34] <Hahc21> It was a premature nomination that was withdrawn without substantial opposes
[15:34] <Hahc21> We (delegates) have a protocol that let us delete those pages
[15:35] <Hahc21> To let space for a new nomination
[15:35] <Dcoetzee> It's already moved to an archive page
[15:35] <Dcoetzee> Does it really need to be deleted?
[15:35] <Hahc21> do you say that for archive1?
[15:35] <Dcoetzee> I think so?
[15:35] <Hahc21> it is not an archive page, that's the format of nominations
[15:35] <Dcoetzee> Oh
[15:35] <Hahc21> xD
[15:35] <Dcoetzee> Well can you move it to an archive page instead?
[15:35] <Dcoetzee> I'd prefer that
[15:36] <Hahc21> If I move it to archive2, for example
[15:36] <Hahc21> Imagine of the user renominates (archive1 is created) and the nomination fails
[15:36] <Hahc21> The he renominates (archive2 is created)
[15:36] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: I mean like somewhere else
[15:36] <Dcoetzee> Like a subpage
[15:36] <Dcoetzee> archive1/old or something
[15:36] <Dcoetzee> I dunno
[15:37] <Hahc21> We don't do that :L
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[15:37] <Hahc21> I mean, it is not standar FLC procedure
[15:37] <Hahc21> ....
[15:37] <Dcoetzee> Well I'm not gonna delete a useful part of the edit record
[15:37] <Hahc21> standard*
[15:37] <Dcoetzee> So you'll have to find someone else to enforce your awful procedure :-P
[15:37] <Hahc21> haha
[15:37] <Hahc21> It is not *my* procedure
[15:37] <Hahc21> xD
[15:38] <Hahc21> And it's okay
[15:38] <Hahc21> ^^
[15:38] <Dcoetzee> Sorry. I just hate deleting things. :-)
[15:38] <Dcoetzee> Except for legal reasons or in article space
[15:39] <Hahc21> Oh I see xD
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[15:50] <IShadowed> ohhh my god I feel like an addict
[15:50] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Addicted to what?
[15:50] <BarkingFish> so do I. But where do I get one at this time of night? :)
[15:50] <IShadowed> glitter
[15:51] <IShadowed> I got back from the mall
[15:51] <IShadowed> oh my god, serious impulse buying
[15:51] <Dcoetzee> GLITTER
[15:51] <IShadowed> I don't know what's gotten into me
[15:51] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: What'd you pick up? :-)
[15:51] <IShadowed> this is so out of character
[15:51] <IShadowed> oh god, so
[15:51] <IShadowed> three sticks of glitter eye liner
[15:51] <IShadowed> blue, gold, silver
[15:51] <IShadowed> four glitter hairbands
[15:51] <IShadowed> red, silver, gold, black
[15:51] <Dcoetzee> Sooo much glitter
[15:51] <IShadowed> gold glitter hairspray
[15:51] <Dcoetzee> Wow
[15:52] <Dcoetzee> You're gonna be sparkly all over. :-)
[15:52] <IShadowed> and a gold and blue choker-thing
�06[15:52] * IShadowed hangs her head
[15:52] <IShadowed> I FEEL ALIVE
�06[15:52] * Dcoetzee cheers!
[15:52] <IShadowed> but oh my god so bad
[15:52] <Dcoetzee> No shame :-P
[15:52] <Dcoetzee> Doesn't suit you :-P
[15:52] <IShadowed>
[15:52] <IShadowed> like this
[15:52] <IShadowed> except I paid for it
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[15:53] <IShadowed> oh
[15:53] <IShadowed> I forgot
[15:54] <IShadowed> I also got sliver body glitter powder
[15:54] <IShadowed> ugh
[15:54] <IShadowed> I hate myself
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[15:56] <Maple__> Is it just me, or is this price /really/ off
[15:56] <Vacation9|dinner> maybe a bit
[15:56] <Maple__> And, also...don't ask.
[15:56] <Maple__>
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[16:14] <Hahc21> Dcoetzee
[16:15] <Hahc21> ^^
[16:15] <Dcoetzee> Hahc21: ???
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[16:16] <Yetanotherx> :(
�06[16:16] * Yetanotherx has programmers block again
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[16:16] <Dcoetzee> Yetanotherx: I can help! What're you trying to do?
�06[16:16] * Yetanotherx is learning Android app development, but I don't know what to make
[16:16] <Dcoetzee> Yetanotherx: Make a calculator!
[16:16] <Yetanotherx> there is one
[16:16] <Dcoetzee> Make a clone of a classic video game!
[16:17] <Yetanotherx> okay
[16:17] <Yetanotherx> what game? dunno
[16:17] <BarkingFish> Holy shit, Maple__ - something tells me that the author of that book is really out to fill her wallet and nothing else.  I can only assume that is self published.
[16:17] <Dcoetzee> Yetanotherx: Breakout, or Tetris, or Pac Man or Pong!
[16:17] <Maple__> BarkingFish: I
[16:17] <Maple__> 'm guessing it's bot-priced.
[16:17] <Dcoetzee> Or Asteroids!
[16:18] <Yetanotherx> Breakout with Friends!
[16:18] <Yetanotherx> Tetris with Friends!
[16:18] <Yetanotherx> Pac Man with friends!
[16:18] <Yetanotherx> You can make any game popular by adding "with friends" to it
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[16:23] <Gfoley4> Lets' go Maryland!
[16:23] <duh> Yetanotherx: Wikipedia with friends!
[16:23] <duh> croud sourced antivandalism
[16:23] <Yetanotherx> lol
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[16:26] <BarkingFish> how about we try and do flashmob antivandalism?  All turn up in one place with a laptop each - get someone to film us all reverting vandalism, and then bugger off into the night and disappear :)
[16:28] <SigmaWP> [16:17:29] �<�Yetanotherx�>�� You can make any game popular by adding "with friends" to it
[16:28] <SigmaWP> Diplomacy.
[16:29] <Yetanotherx> Solitaire with friends!
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[16:32] <duh> Yetanotherx: block
[16:34] <Yetanotherx> *sigh* children these days
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[16:36] <BobTheWikipedian> fluffernutter:
[16:37] <Fluffernutter> my world domination plan continnues apace!
[16:37] <BobTheWikipedian> :D
�06[16:37] * Jasper_Deng invites Fluffernutter to go ahead w/ editing it
[16:37] <Fluffernutter> i have no idea what an edit to wikidata does
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[16:38] <BobTheWikipedian> everything
[16:38] <BobTheWikipedian> it feeds 500 children in ghana
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[16:38] <addshore> Fluffernutter: not much :P
[16:38] <addshore> yet ;p
[16:39] <BobTheWikipedian> now that people reading wikidata know a fluffernutter is a sandwich, they can stop being hungry
[16:39] <Fluffernutter> fluffernutters for all!
[16:39] <Vacation9> :D What does a fluffernutter have in it?
[16:39] <Fluffernutter> peanut butter and marshmallow fluff
[16:40] <BobTheWikipedian> pizza time
[16:40] <Vacation9> makes sense, now I want one
[16:40] <BobTheWikipedian> there you go, you just fed another person
[16:40] <Fluffernutter> whee
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[16:48] <Hahc21> Okay Dcoetzee
[16:48] <Hahc21> Sorry
[16:48] <Hahc21> I had to leave for something
[16:48] <Hahc21> But I'm back
[16:48] <Dcoetzee> Okay...
[16:49] <Hahc21> What I wanted to say is that
[16:49] <Hahc21> We have, or I uploaded a NFCC file
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[16:49] <Hahc21> And now a free version is available thanks to the developer
[16:49] <Hahc21> It has days tagged
[16:50] <Hahc21> And it is still there :L
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[16:53] <mareklug> "[18:52:51] <IShadowed>	 I also got sliver body glitter powder"  <-- is that healthy?  At any rate, won't you clog your shower/bathtub drain?
[16:53] <IShadowed> it's light!
[16:53] <IShadowed> and shimmery
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[16:53] <IShadowed> not this big heavy cakey thing
[16:53] <IShadowed> D:
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[16:56] <mareklug> IShadowed still seriously, you're not being very green
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[16:59] <D_> Is glitter bio-degradeable?
[16:59] <D_> Or are there fish out there swimming around with glitter stuck to them?
[17:00] <mareklug> it is aluminum flakes, so, um, rather long term.  i mean, it is not styrofoam or oscar meyer wieners, but...
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[17:04] <Maple__> um
[17:04] <Maple__> what do you call the father of one's spouse?
[17:04] <Maple__> ?
[17:04] <EvilSon-Laptop> father-in-law
[17:04] <Maple__> father-in-law?
[17:04] <mareklug> is this a setup?
[17:05] <mareklug> f-in-l yes
[17:05] <BarkingFish> Maple__, how about the only thing standing in the way of you getting married? :P
[17:05] <EvilSon-Laptop> i don't know, but someone's trying to hit this computer [my laptop] that has no ports open to it.
[17:06] <mareklug> EvilSon-Laptop well then.  lose no slee[.
[17:06] <mareklug> p
[17:07] <EvilSon-Laptop> oh well people were trying to hit my server when i had it set as a DMZ
[17:07] <Maple__> lol Fish
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[17:14] <BobTheWikipedian> a proposition:
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[17:14] <BobTheWikipedian> wikimedia should buy inaturalist
[17:14] <mareklug> iNaturalist?
[17:14] <BobTheWikipedian> yup
[17:15] <BarkingFish> A proposition: Wikimedia should leave everything else well alone and concentrate on running what it already manages to get the best out of it :)
[17:16] <BarkingFish> Too much shit, not enough people to run it makes for a bad call
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[17:17] <BobTheWikipedian> i just wish there was a way to merge databases like that together where information can be added in either place and both are updated
[17:18] <BobTheWikipedian> there's so much redundancy in simply having two sites that attempt to catalog things
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[17:20] <BarkingFish> You're right.  I propose we start a commonwikispecidataversinewsourcebooktionary.
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[17:20] <BarkingFish> Then we can have one site doing the whole fucking lot :D
[17:21] <BobTheWikipedian> heh wikispecies is redundant, too
[17:21] <BarkingFish> to what?
[17:21] <BobTheWikipedian> to wikipedia
[17:21] <BarkingFish> cool. we can close it down and use the space to make something else larger then
[17:21] <mareklug> Gfoley4 um, I am afraid Maryland will piss this away.
[17:21] <BobTheWikipedian> all the information on wikispecies is also appropriate for wikipedia, and often better covered there
[17:22] <GrooveDog> wikieverything
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[17:22] <BarkingFish> no sense in having it sit there like the last ham sandwich at a jewish buffet
[17:22] <Gfoley4> or curry will shoot Duke in
[17:22] <GrooveDog> now featuring copyrighted fictional works
[17:22] <BobTheWikipedian> i vote we import all information from wikispecies to wikipedia and shut it down
[17:22] <BarkingFish> seconded
[17:22] <Gfoley4> a charge?
[17:22] <Gfoley4> wat
[17:23] <mareklug> it's ironic that neither BC nor MD can get calls on their home floor when playing Duke in close endgame
[17:23] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, you propose it, i'll second it -
[17:24] <BarkingFish> when someone decided to set me ip block exempt on meta :)
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[17:24] <BobTheWikipedian> :o i don't wanna be the bad guy
[17:24] <BarkingFish> i can't wait for april, no more proxying my way onto the net - my ISP contract expires.
[17:24] <BarkingFish> yay :)
[17:25] <mareklug> geez.
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[17:25] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, you won't be the bad guy.  You're making a perfectly sane, rational proposal based on the fact that we've essentially got two projects duplicating each other
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[17:25] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmm. perhaps
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[17:26] <BarkingFish> or one project where the content could reasonably be merged into another with no loss of information
[17:26] <BobTheWikipedian> :o it hasn't been proposed, it would seem
[17:26] <mareklug> Gfoley4 so, with score tied, MD will turn the ball over for the 27th time. :/
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[17:27] <BarkingFish> mareklug, I can't edit anywhere at the moment without requesting block exemption.  I only have IPBE on Commons, enwp, frwp and tpiwp.  That's it, as far as I remember anyway :)
[17:27] <duh> BarkingFish: …why is your ip blocked?
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[17:28] <BarkingFish> once i get my new ISP in place, where I decide what I want to look at, not my workplace (who paid for it), i can do what I wish :)
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[17:28] <mareklug> well.
[17:28] <BarkingFish> duh, my isp was paid for by my workplace, as I didn't have a net connection and needed one for work.  They had the ISP firewall stuff I wasn't permitted to use.
[17:29] <BarkingFish> But, they fucked up and blocked a load of other stuff too - like web access, irc, etc.
[17:29] <BarkingFish> Which is why I TOR/SASL onto IRC, and have to proxy onto the net
[17:29] <duh> ah ok
[17:30] <mareklug> Gfoley4 Christain Laettner to the rescue!
[17:30] <duh> thats unfortunate
[17:30] <Gfoley4> I hate that timeout
[17:30] <mareklug> it was desperation timeout
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[17:30] <mareklug> now watch MD foul. :/
[17:31] <Gfoley4> damn son
[17:31] <mareklug> well, I guess Duke is not a good road team this year and Mason Plumlee is not a POTY.  4 points, fouled out.
[17:31] <BarkingFish> once april gets here, I can choose my own ISP, and tell Strato to go walk over hot coals with petrol on their feet :)
[17:31] <mareklug> but come on.  26 turnovers MD???
[17:31] <Gfoley4> Miami #2 Michigan to #3
[17:32] <mareklug> Michigan State you mean
[17:32] <Gfoley4> getting closer to having Gonzaga being a 1 seed
[17:32] <mareklug> Michigan was blown out, remember?
[17:32] <Gfoley4> oh I forgot
[17:32] <Gfoley4> probably gonzaga to 3 then
[17:32] <Gfoley4> unless they want to put duke there
[17:32] <BobTheWikipedian> does anyone know of a previous formal proposal to merge wikispecies into wikipedia?
[17:32] <mareklug> Michigan State is right now at Nebraska.  heeee here, wouldn't that be a fun upset.
[17:32] <mareklug> on BTN
[17:33] <BobTheWikipedian> i don't want to re-propose that which has already failed
[17:33] <BarkingFish> Not that I can recall, BobTheWikipedian, and I've been on WP 8 years...
[17:33] <BarkingFish> There may be others here who go back further
[17:34] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm not seeing it even in the extended archive on meta
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[17:34] <BobTheWikipedian> i'll go ahead and write it up
[17:34] <BarkingFish> Then the chances are, that it's "no" :)
[17:34] <BobTheWikipedian> at the risk of alienating a community of wikispecies editors :|
[17:34] <BarkingFish> There most likely isn't one
[17:34] <BobTheWikipedian> there is a community there but it's awfully small i believe
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[17:35] <Isarra> BobTheWikipedian: Why Wikipedia?
[17:36] <Isarra> Why not Commons?
[17:36] <BobTheWikipedian> commons definitely makes good sense, actually
[17:36] <Isarra> I mean, yes, commons is a file repository, but the wikispecies stuff is very useful on description and navigation pages.
[17:36] <Isarra> Although I don't suppose Wikidata would work for that sort of thing.
[17:36] <BobTheWikipedian> wikispecies is one of those things that really doesn't have another language needed other than latin
[17:37] <BobTheWikipedian> wikidata would be even better
[17:38] <BobTheWikipedian> currently, the english wikipedia and a few others even have a working system that allows full heirarchical navigation of the tree of life
[17:38] <IShadowed> why is Isarra here
[17:38] <BobTheWikipedian> wikidata doesn't
[17:38] <Isarra> Supposing it would work on wikidata, it'd be pretty nifty to just have commons and wikipedia yoink stuff from it there...
[17:38] <Isarra> IShadowed: Should I not be?
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[17:42] <mareklug> Isarra Isarra comes as standard factory-installed equipment.
[17:42] <mareklug> IShadowed ^
[17:43] <IShadowed> ?
[17:43] <mareklug> two Isarra === auto tab failure
[17:43] <IShadowed> sure, but the position of my name there can kind of change the meaning of the sentence
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[17:44] <mareklug> ugh.  It was meant to be a quip about Isarra directed to IShadowed
[17:45] <BobTheWikipedian> nothing like writing a serious note warning a community about a coming-soon-proposal-to-shut-you-down and forgetting to log in first
[17:45] <Isarra> Although that probably would rather well sum up why we might take issue with each other's presenses. XD
[17:45] <IShadowed> Ah, then yes, I approve.
�06[17:45] * Isarra hugs BobTheWikipedian.
[17:45] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, nice one :)
�06[17:46] * BobTheWikipedian feels the love
[17:46] <BobTheWikipedian> thanks isarra
[17:46] <BarkingFish> I'm asking about getting IPBE on meta so I can come on when the prop is up and support it
[17:46] <jdelanoy> lol
[17:46] <BobTheWikipedian> and thanks barkingfish
[17:46] <BobTheWikipedian> :D
[17:46] <BarkingFish> I've left a note in #wikimedia, since I assume that's meta's channel on here
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[17:46] <BarkingFish> at least, I hope it is :)
[17:46] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[17:46] <BobTheWikipedian> i would assume #wikimedia-meta
[17:47] <BobTheWikipedian> i assumed wrongly
[17:48] <BarkingFish> yeah, invite only
[17:48] <BobTheWikipedian> ooo
[17:49] <IShadowed> what love
[17:49] <BarkingFish> **** Cannot join #wikimedia-meta (Channel is invite only).
[17:49] <Carly> :o
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[17:50] <Carly> * #wikimedia-meta #wikimedia :Forwarding to another channel
[17:50] <Carly> xd
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[17:50] <mareklug> yeah, for me too, last time I tried
[17:50] <Carly> :p
[17:51] <BarkingFish> ah. I don't forward on entry - I have +Q switched on.
[17:51] <BarkingFish> That's why I didn't get sent anywhere
[17:52] <BobTheWikipedian> heh i love the first comment i got on wikispecies
[17:52] <Carly> .-.
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[17:55] <Carly> I am looking for info about Hare
[17:56] <Carly> the isolation was in 1996 in New Zealand
�06[17:56] * Carly runs with her virus
[18:00] <BarkingFish> Isolation?
[18:01] <Carly> yes
[18:01] <mareklug> she means the virus was first detected in New Zealand (w95 our article says)
[18:01] <Carly> but stills there some dudes about his origin
[18:01] <Carly> yes
[18:01] <Carly> I am editing and added the info,for this I know that
[18:02] <Carly> some people says it comes from Australia
[18:02] <Carly> but is not true
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[18:02] <BarkingFish> I take it Hare is a virus, not the animal which would be suffering from one...
[18:02] <BarkingFish> ah, nvm.  I just spotted mareklug's ref to w95 :)
[18:02] <mareklug> [[Hare (computer virus)]]
[18:03] <Carly> mareklug is a detective
[18:03] <BarkingFish> thanks
[18:03] <Carly> xd
[18:03] <BarkingFish> ah. The Hare Krṡna virus...
[18:03] <Carly> yeah
[18:03] <Carly> she
[18:03] <Carly> xd
[18:04] <BarkingFish> nice. When you said Hare I was thinking of little rabbit thingy, long ears, etc
[18:04] <BarkingFish> :)
[18:04] <mareklug> Carly "Hare Kirshna" I think is a greeting praising the Hindi god Kirshna
[18:05] <Isarra> I thought of James Hare.
[18:05] <mareklug> Carly a hare is an animal like a rabbit
[18:05] <Carly> mareklug mm
[18:05] <Carly> mareklug I dont think so
[18:05] <Carly> :p
[18:05] <mareklug> Carly of course you are correct.  a rabbit tastes better.
[18:06] <BarkingFish> mareklug, it's a greeting in the Hare Krishna, aka [[ISKCON]], see also [[Srila Prabhupada]]
[18:06] <Carly> mareklug I mean that is not pray to Hindi God
[18:06] <Carly> :p
[18:06] <mareklug> BarkingFish I think it goes way broader than the Hare Krishna sect
[18:07] <BarkingFish> That's where I first encountered it - along with a rather nice vegan cookery book, which I donated $10 for :)
[18:07] <The_Thing> So, 22 years, 3 hours ago, I was born at 1lb. 10.5 oz. in Salt Lake City. :)
[18:07] <Carly> and o.o
[18:07] <Carly> uhu
�06[18:07] * Carly hides
[18:07] <mareklug> The_Thing don't feel bad. It was a comparatively speaking, a high and dry place to get born.
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[18:08] <BarkingFish> Congrats, The_Thing :)  	Alles Gute zum Geburtstag!
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[18:09] <mareklug> Carly  fyi
[18:09] <Carly> haha the police virus XD
[18:09] <Carly> mareklug Nah
[18:09] <Carly> mareklug its from New Zealand
[18:10] <Carly> I were reading an article in Softonic about viruses
[18:10] <Carly> and other attacks
[18:10] <mareklug> Carly I was trying to tell you what "Hare Krishna" means.  Since you contradicted what I said it means.
[18:10] <Carly> mareklug Ok,I know now,
[18:10] <Carly> mareklug I care the "virus"
[18:10] <Carly> do not matter if is a pray or dont
[18:10] <Carly> xd
[18:11] <BarkingFish> The_Thing, it simply means "All good for birthday", in other words, Happy Birthday.
[18:11] <The_Thing> a
[18:11] <The_Thing> h
[18:12] <BarkingFish> I was gonna leave you something on your talk page, but I notice you retired.
[18:12] <The_Thing> Yeah, like, 2 years ago
[18:12] <mareklug> Carly  the virus prints out:  "INFECTUM.COM COMMAND.COMM COMMAND\SYSTEM\IOSUBSYS\HSFLOP.PDR"            ""HDEuthanasia" by Demon Emperor: Hare Krsna, hare, hare..."
[18:12] <BarkingFish> do you still contrib anywhere?
[18:13] <Carly> mareklug Ok Ok,since you tries to be right in all
[18:13] <Carly> :|
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[18:13] <The_Thing> Not really, just lurk around here.
[18:13] <BarkingFish> Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna, Krsna, Hare, Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama, Rama, Hare, Hare...
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[18:13] <Carly> ayyy no
[18:14] <Carly> xd
�06[18:14] * BarkingFish feels like meditating for some peculiar reason
�06[18:14] * Carly hides
[18:14] <mareklug> The_Thing so does your family subscribe to Mormonism, if I may ask?
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[18:14] <Carly> BarkingFish, what it was
[18:14] <Carly> xd
[18:14] <Carly> Hare krsna are rnsna are rama rama dies
[18:14] <Carly> xd
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[18:15] <The_Thing> The vast majority of our family does
[18:15] <mareklug> of course there are non Mormons in SLC, but the way to bet.
[18:15] <The_Thing> My mother and I, well, partially do. We're nowhere near dilligent in going to church with any sort of regularity
[18:15] <Carly> someone here is Mormon¿
[18:16] <Carly> mareklug are you¿
[18:16] <BarkingFish> If you can find anyone who isn't Mormon in SLC, you're either in the wrong part of SLC, or you're not looking :)
[18:16] <The_Thing> And my father wants absolutely nothing to do with the church, pretty much.
[18:16] <Carly> uh
[18:16] <mareklug> BarkingFish lots of new migrants to SLC, esp. young people.  Same as in Colorado.  Isarra can tell ya.
[18:17] <The_Thing> We live in Cache Valley
[18:17] <BarkingFish> There's a couple of really nice Elders who live not too far from me.  One from Anaheim, CA. and the other from Valencia.
[18:18] <The_Thing> Of which the central city is basically a college town
[18:18] <Isarra> I live under a rock.
[18:18] <mareklug> Isarra "I am a newt"
[18:18] <Isarra> I've been experimenting with hanging out with friends. The concept of friends confuses and scares me.
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[18:18] <BarkingFish> They're great people, but they're a shit to take out for the night.  We have to go to a restaurant which doesn't serve alcohol - since they don't approve, apparently.  The only snag is, the food there is shite.
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[18:19] <Isarra> But I don't really know what's going on as a result, as these experimentations are generally recent.
[18:19] <Isarra> Urk.
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[18:20] <mareklug> Isarra basically, friends is like family, except they don't come for the holidays and eat all your food.
[18:20] <Isarra> Family do that?
[18:21] <mareklug> well, or you go to the family and eat all the food there.  it can work either way.
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[18:22] <Isarra> I need to move out of my parents' basement.
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[18:23] <mareklug> BarkingFish jus take them to ethnic restaurants which serve excellent food and are BYOB.
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[18:24] <BarkingFish> mareklug, you're a genius.  To be honest, not something I'd even considered.
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[18:24] <BarkingFish> We might be able to make the next night out a little more fun than the previous ones have been
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[18:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug ethnic restourants? As in canibalism? :p
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[18:26] <mareklug> as in Indian, Pakistani, Malay, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Ethiopian, Cuban, Mexican, Turkish
[18:27] <BarkingFish> BobTheWikipedian, I got IPBE, can you let me know when you get the proposal done, and whether you need any help in doing so?
[18:28] <BarkingFish> Vietnamese sounds fun, mareklug - I'm a sucker for Phở
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[18:28] <mareklug> BarkingFish Pho is fine.  But the vietnamese crisp noodle stir fry is to die for
[18:30] <BarkingFish> What do you have it with? Beef, Pork or Chicken?
[18:30] <Isarra> The regular noodle stir fry is also to die for.
[18:30] <BarkingFish> I'm kinda avoiding Beef atm
[18:30] <mareklug> yes yes yes.  seafood.  or all veggie.  tofu?
[18:30] <mareklug> the choices are many
[18:30] <The_Thing> Shrimp Ramen
[18:30] <Isarra> Although it was a little disilusioning when I discovered the main ingredient was fish sauce.
[18:30] <The_Thing> Nothing beats it :p
[18:30] <BarkingFish> seafood sounds good.
[18:30] <Isarra> Fish sauce and garlic. Can't go wrong.
[18:30] <mareklug> no.  it is absolutely not the main ingredient.  not for a self-respecting vietnamese restaurant.
[18:31] <Isarra> Okay, it was the most distinctive ingredient.
[18:31] <BarkingFish> anyone else on the europe side of WP avoiding things with "beef" in at the moment?
[18:31] <Isarra> ...but yeah, it doesn't take much.
[18:32] <BarkingFish> I'm not that willing to risk eating Shergar or Red Rum... :P
[18:32] <BarkingFish> I guess someone was horsing around at the abattoir
[18:33] <mareklug> Isarra in this one, "2 tsp fish sauce" but feel free to skip it or sub.
[18:34] <Isarra> If you found a motherboard in a box with a stickynote that says 'lightning' on it, would you use it?
[18:34] <Isarra> mareklug: I love fish sauce.
[18:34] <mareklug> Isarra :)
[18:34] <Isarra> I have found it makes a wonderful substitute for salt.
[18:35] <mareklug> Isarra presumably it does not mean native support for the Lightning connector. :) :)
[18:35] <Isarra> I think it may have been hit by lightning.
[18:36] <Isarra> Or maybe that was the name of the computer it was in.
[18:39] <mareklug> Isarra usually the power surge kills the power supply and/or the network/modem card.  so, try it.
[18:39] <Isarra> Okay.
[18:39] <The_Thing> yeah
[18:40] <The_Thing> Just don't use a bad power supply on a good motherboard :p
[18:41] <BobTheWikipedian> barkingfish what's ipbe?
[18:42] <Isarra> I don't know that I have any good power supplies left, though.
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[18:42] <Isarra> I have three questionable ones, though.
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[18:43] <Isarra> One of them makes horrible noises, another for some reason was preventing the computer from booting, and the third really was hit by lightning.
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[18:43] <BarkingFish> IP Block Exemption, BobTheWikipedian
[18:43] <BobTheWikipedian> ah
[18:43] <mareklug> Isarra do you have a voltmeter?  that would tell you if your power supplies are ok
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[18:43] <BobTheWikipedian> will i need that? lol
[18:44] <BobTheWikipedian> <<<there is what i've got so far
[18:44] <BobTheWikipedian> feel free to help
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[18:45] <mareklug> Isarra      and if you don't, borrow one from school.
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[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug oh about that
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have recently aquired great taste for a greek brand of cheese
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they have it packaged with olives
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> <3 olives
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[18:51] <mareklug> feta?  b/c they have several kinds indigenous to Greece.
[18:51] <Isarra> Erp.
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[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they have various flavors
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> greek italian and etc
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but they have it with olives
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and also spices
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thyme definitely
[18:51] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko it is not a matter of *flavors*.  There are fresh and comparatively rather aged cheeses from Greece.
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think it is very aged given how much of it is on the shelves constantly
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[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> cheese with olives, brilliant concept
[18:52] <mareklug> white cheese?  with oozing liquid?
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> white soft cheese
[18:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not hard
[18:53] <mareklug> feta.  goat cheese
[18:53] <BarkingFish> Or Halloumi
[18:53] <BarkingFish> no wait... halloumi is hard, isn't it?
[18:53] <mareklug>
[18:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a bit like Mozzarella
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[18:54] <BarkingFish> That's the one you have to cook or it's like eating a pencil eraser
[18:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> incidentally we have 56 articles on italian cheese <3
[18:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 58
[18:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> two more in a weird subcat
[18:54] <BarkingFish> Do we have one on the Maggot Cheese?
[18:55] <BarkingFish> Casu Marzu?
[18:55] <mareklug>
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
[18:56] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko an acquired taste, but you should try it once at least
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I sure will try
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> on a side note, mareklug do you have a sysop flag?
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[18:57] <mareklug> I am a complete unsysop in every sense
[18:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
[18:57] <Isarra> I'm a complete eggplant.
[18:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> special:double redirects has boat loads of redirect loops
[18:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I need help sorting it out
[18:57] <mareklug> Isarra eggplants can't pour fish sauce on the channel, so don't fib.
[18:58] <Amqui> trolling
[18:58] <mareklug> "This video contains content from Canadian Broadcasting Corp., who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."
[18:58] <BarkingFish> What do you call an eggplant who runs a youth hostel in France?
[18:58] <mareklug> fucking cannuck broads
[18:58] <mareklug> casting.
[18:58] <Amqui> lol
[18:58] <BarkingFish> Auberge Gene :)
[18:58] <Amqui> what's up with all those videos blocked everywhere else
[18:59] <Amqui> CBC is a public corporation, it should be free
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[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Amqui to make sure customer base does not expand
[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> keeping exposure to a limited number of people makes complete sense
[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and for people who serve the US overseas? screw them!
[18:59] <Amqui> defeit the purpose of trolling Americans if they can't watch the video XD
[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no tivo, youtube or anything
[19:00] <BarkingFish> Amqui, it's to do with Broadcasting rights restrictions.  The show may be free to view in Canada, but might contain rights restricted music, video or images which can't be used outside there.
[19:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish that is not how copyright works to be honest
[19:00] <BarkingFish> The same reason I love watching Danish TV, and can't view one single minute of it
[19:00] <Amqui> and anyway public works are not free in Canada
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish whats so great about danish tv? they dont even speak canadian :P
[19:01] <Amqui> lol
[19:01] <BarkingFish> lol
[19:01] <mareklug> Gfoley4 I know that IU lost by a point on a last second basket at Nebraska last year, but that was last year's IU.  Here MSU pulls it out by only 9.
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MSU wins?
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yay!
[19:02] <Gfoley4> ok
[19:02] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko it took complete down game by the usually good Nebraska three-point shooter
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont claim to understand american football :)
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I have some spartan spirit
[19:03] <mareklug> yeah, American ping pong is very hard to grasp.
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is it true that the actual game play is the vast minority of the game?
[19:03] <BarkingFish> Right guys, my lot is that for tonight.  It's 04.02 here, and I am in need of sleep :)
[19:03] <Vacation9> Sleep is overrated
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> daily show I believe had such a segment
[19:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> though I wouldnt take it as a reliable source
[19:04] <Amqui> Canadian football is better
[19:04] <Amqui> :P
[19:04] <mareklug> than American ping pong?  I beg to differ.
[19:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Canadian football balls are cyliders
[19:04] <Amqui> lol
[19:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> often black in color
[19:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> of course they play it on ice
[19:04] <Amqui> XD
[19:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean it is canada after all
[19:05] <Amqui>
[19:05] <BarkingFish> Vacation9, not when you're working as an on call doctor it's not :)
[19:05] <BarkingFish> night!
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[19:05] <Amqui> I know Wikipedia had it
[19:05] <Amqui> XD
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[19:07] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko they are not black in color.  They have colorful logos on both flat sides.  Amqui will confirm.
[19:08] <mareklug>
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[19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug sure, I didnt say all of them, I said often
[19:09] <BobTheWikipedian> wow...lots of people reading up to my link...i wonder if they even know what they're was rather out-of-context when i posted it
[19:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what link?
[19:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I missed it
[19:10] <mareklug> lately, hardly.  all-black puck has gone the way of unadorned ice surface.  i.e, the way of the dodo
[19:10] <BobTheWikipedian> proposal to shut down wikispecies:
[19:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug, wait... canadian sailors eat pucks?
[19:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BobTheWikipedian you want to kill it off?
[19:11] <BobTheWikipedian> anyone is welcome to help form the proposal
[19:11] <BobTheWikipedian> not exactly neko
[19:11] <BobTheWikipedian> it's full of valuable info, but it's terribly redundant
[19:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I actually feel there is a great room for taxonomy
[19:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I will agree that the content is at times duplicate of wikipedia, but wikipsecies is written for scientific use which wikipedia isnt.
[19:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am unsure where I stand but perhaps you can see the point :)
[19:12] <mareklug> BobTheWikipedian there is something to be said for it to be out of the way in its own project space, thereby somewhat protected from at large vandalism by obscurity.
[19:12] <BobTheWikipedian> actually i haven't seen info on species that isn't appropriate for wikipedia
[19:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BobTheWikipedian I dont disagree
[19:13] <BobTheWikipedian> lol mareklug
[19:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but wikispecies content - for example names of species is written for scientific use
[19:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there are possibly millions of species waiting to be identified and wikispecies is the resource useful for this end
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[19:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not arguing against you
[19:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> merely giving my 2 cents
[19:14] <BobTheWikipedian> :)
[19:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not even sure my points are valid
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[19:14] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[19:14] <mareklug> I hope that is an electronic payment, cuz you are against pennies, so it would be hypocritical of you to give him pennies
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[19:15] <BobTheWikipedian> :D
[19:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I do feel that a median for scientists to have is useful
[19:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug, fair point
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[19:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or dimes
[19:15] <BobTheWikipedian> :D
[19:15] <BobTheWikipedian> quarters?
[19:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug John Green asked the penny question to the president last week btw
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[19:16] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko young Carly recently instructed me that "dime" means "talk to me"/"tell me" in Spanish.  whatdoyaknow
[19:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BobTheWikipedian penny is worh its price, pennies and nickles are worth more than their face value
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[19:16] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko we have been through this.  new pennies are zinc-made and are not more expensive
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[19:17] <Swob> Canada phased out the penny
[19:17] <Swob> is America doing it now too?>
[19:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug they still are worhless, they are useless in terms of function
[19:17] <mareklug> phased out MAKING the penny.  it is still legal tender
[19:17] <Hello71> gov't starting to collect them and melt down afaik
[19:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug they are slowly removing it from circulation
[19:18] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko fine, but don't go on repeating false info just b/c you got used to it. :/
[19:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hello71 indeed, which they will make a profit of!
[19:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug what I stated is correct.
[19:18] <Swob> aww
[19:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the penny has far too much value even now
[19:18] <Hello71> ToAruShiroiNeko: It's the government, there's no way they'll actually make a profit.
[19:18] <Swob> is it legal for peple to melt down their own pennies and then sell the copper?
[19:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> in the US that is a fellony
[19:18] <Hello71> Swob: Pretty sure that was made illegal a long time ago.
[19:18] <Swob> not that itd be profitable for any amount less than, say, 10 million
[19:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> federal one too
[19:18] <Swob> darn
[19:19] <mareklug> Swob in the states any tampering with official currency is a misdemeanor.  but who cares.
[19:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hello71, I meant to say the government will have money to waste on something irrelevant
[19:19] <Hello71> ToAruShiroiNeko: Like them non-existent F-35s?
[19:19] <Swob> are they even pure copper anymore?
[19:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> f-35s do exist
[19:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob not since the 70s
[19:19] <mareklug> Swob they are nearly pure zinc
[19:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> pennies are copper coated
[19:20] <Hello71> ToAruShiroiNeko:
[19:20] <Swob> but that zinc is still worth more than a penny per penny?
[19:20] <Amqui> good set of colour at the bottom
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[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> A US penny: 97.5% zinc, 2.5% copper
[19:21] <mareklug> Amqui that's what happens when you turn navbars into christmas trees.
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[19:21] <Swob> how do they make it copper colored if it's only 2.5% copper?
[19:22] <mareklug> it's on the outside
[19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they coat it
[19:22] <Swob> ok
[19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> core: 99.2% zinc, 0.8% copper; plating: pure copper
[19:22] <Swob> i thought maybe there was a pink zinc or something
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[19:22] <Swob> zinc isnt used for much outside of currency
[19:22] <mareklug> zinc is white.  not as white as zinc oxide, but you heard of Zinc White paint
[19:22] <Swob> It's a vitamin, I know, but in ridiculously tiny amounts
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[19:23] <mareklug> it is a fucking metal, not a vitamin  jezus
[19:23] <Swob> you could eat a penny and live off of that for a year
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[19:23] <Swob> zinc is a vitamin
[19:23] <mareklug> it is a mineral, if you have to.
[19:23] <Swob> it's in a certain fruits I think
[19:23] <Swob> and if you dont eat those fruits you can take vitamin pills that have zinc in them
[19:24] <mareklug> it is only called a vitamin pill cuz it has vitamins.  but zinc is not one of them.
[19:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> $0.0245331 is the melt value for the 1909-1982 copper cent on February 15, 2013.
[19:24] <Swob> oh wait
[19:24] <Swob> brass is apparently partly made of zinc
[19:24] <Swob> so I guess it does have a prupose '
[19:24] <mareklug> Swob I guess that makes brass a vitamin, eh?
[19:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> after 1982 they switch to the zinc heavy design of today
[19:24] <Swob> Do people eat brass?
[19:25] <Swob> there's a brass lamp in the cellar I suppose I could munch on if I ever got snowed in
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[19:25] <mareklug> people kiss brass, proverbially.  so accidental ingestion may happen.
[19:25] <Swob> it would probably give me, like, 20 calories
[19:25] <Swob> so I'd live another 5 minutes before starving
[19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob you could also lick it
[19:26] <Swob> i wonder if anyone's ever literally eaten their way out of a room they were trapped in
[19:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[19:26] <mareklug> Swob speaking of purpose of zinc, it is used for roofing
[19:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh look the video is out
[19:26] <Swob> Humans dont have sharp teeth, but we could probably get through a wooden door with enough effort
[19:27] <mareklug> sure.  Oscar Pistorious did it with barely 4 shots
[19:27] <Swob> Zinc is probably a poor material for roofs
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[19:27] <Swob> it's like tin, which is used in Haiti where they cant afford more exspensive things
[19:27] <mareklug> Swob it oxidizes and that forms a protective coat.  it works out rather well and is inexpensive and durable.
[19:28] <Swob> i should write a novel about someone being trapped inside a cellar and they have to get a rat or soemthing to eat through the walls
[19:28] <mareklug> Swob
[19:28] <Hello71> what about adobe?
[19:28] <Hello71> guess it sucks if you have earthquakes all the time though
[19:29] <mareklug> "Zinc's naturally forming self-healing properties provide years of virtually maintenance-free protection. And zinc's blue-gray patina and natural surface blends beautifully with most building materials and surroundings, both in contemporary and traditional settings and environments. "
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[19:30] <mareklug> Swob but I guess you would not like to have a vitamin for your roof.
[19:30] <duh>
[19:30] <duh> took me a while
[19:30] <Hello71> No way it's as strong as adobe though. (barring earthquakes)
[19:30] <Hello71> That's literally having big rocks for a roof.
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[19:31] <Swob> ehh what am I saying, Im sure that novel's been written
[19:31] <mareklug> Hello71 adobe is lovely, but it does not lend itself to think flexible, shaped coatings.  You have ever seen an adobe house?  they all look a bit massive.  for a reason.
[19:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug is it legal to use pennies to cover your roof?
[19:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is that destroying currency?
[19:33] <mareklug> would think so.  you are not disfiguring them.
[19:33] <D_> The Secret Service is going to come to your house and confiscate your roof
[19:33] <Swob> some people wear pennies as earrings I think
[19:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but you are letting the coins to rust and effectively get destroyed
[19:34] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko there is no law that says you have to keep loose change or even roofs in good repair
[19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think it would protect the roof tiles provided you have a way to make sure pennies stay where they are
[19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ductape?
[19:34] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I think if you ask IShadowed she will let you have some of her glitter hair spray.  It is tacky.
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[19:35] <IShadowed> It's not tacky
[19:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hair spray? thats a fine movie.
[19:35] <IShadowed> It's beautiful, and fuck you
[19:35] <mareklug> it does not tack?
[19:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm surface pro is back?
[19:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its a device I am tempted to get
[19:35] <mareklug> tacky == sticky
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[19:36] <D_> Oh, I thought you were inquiring about its sailing abilities
[19:36] <mareklug> I'll take the fuck you as a penny for your thought tho
[19:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[19:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> boat made out of pennies?
[19:37] <D_> Would you weld them all together
[19:37] <D_> in several layers
[19:37] <D_> so they're watertight?
[19:37] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko over here we have boats in commercial made of screen doors, so why not.  you just need the sticky stuff.
[19:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ yeah
[19:38] <Swob> but wouldt that basically be the same as melting them?
[19:38] <Swob> and thus illegal
[19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but wouldnt that melting them? kind of?
[19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we need an actual boat and engrave its hull with pennies
[19:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> on an unrelated note, they esitmate the russian asteorid strike to have an explosion yield of 33 Hiroshima bombs
[19:39] <mareklug> If we had actual 33 Hiroshima bombs, I wager Russia would look different today form Sarah's house
[19:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[19:40] <mareklug> yeah i read that
[19:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug it was high above the sky
[19:40] <mareklug> the point is that all that evergy was diffused over a huge area
[19:40] <Swob> well the atomic bombs were radioactive
[19:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where thiick atmosphere begins
[19:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the energy was massive
[19:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is another reason why people should take the space threat seriously
[19:41] <D_> Yes, we should conquer space
[19:41] <mareklug> I'll take a meteor event like that any day over a 1/15th Hiroshima bomb, the kind the Koreans of the North play with.
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[19:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug that wouldnt blow off windows though
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[19:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> destruction of Hiroshima nuke comes with being closer to the ground
[19:42] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko seriously, a small suitcase H bomb set off in a city would be a huge disaster as compared to the harmlessness over Russia
[19:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> suitcase H bomb is a fictional concept
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[19:43] <mareklug> you don't even know Iowa from Ohio and you expect me to take your word?
[19:43] <Swob> lol
[19:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> asteorids can strike at any point, and they dont make political decisions
[19:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug both have corn, thats good enough for me
[19:44] <D_> Well, if you had a sufficiently large suitcase...
[19:44] <D_> More like a trunk, though
[19:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ delivery requires ICBMs more or less
[19:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its too heavy
[19:44] <mareklug> all it takes is a shipment via a container.
[19:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and an H bomb requires a number of regular nuclear bombs coating the h-bomb
[19:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug thats not really a suitcase
[19:45] <Swob> maybe a very tall person could carry it
[19:45] <IShadowed> note to self
[19:45] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko you know, there are tactical nukes.  you think they are larger than a suitcase nuke?
[19:45] <IShadowed> using an entire bottle of hairspray at once is bad
[19:45] <mareklug> IShadowed you will probably have an itchy sleep
[19:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug those are not h-bombs
[19:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they are your regular ww2 era nukes
[19:46] <mareklug> I did not mean Hydrogen.  I mean Hiroshima.  That was the point of reference, no?  to begin with: the meteor being 33 H bombs
[19:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
[19:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> H as in hiroshima
[19:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sorry, I completely misunderstood
[19:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I feel stupid now
[19:47] <Swob> its OK
[19:47] <Swob>
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[19:49] <IShadowed>
[19:49] <IShadowed> fucking fabulous
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[19:49] <mareklug> IShadowed that does not look overly glittery
[19:49] <IShadowed> it looks better in the light
[19:49] <IShadowed> but mhm
[19:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> needs lasers
[19:49] <mareklug> IShadowed your new neckless looks good
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[19:50] <IShadowed> thanks.
[19:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BLARG
[19:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 45 high priority updates
[19:51] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko is this a windows reality?
[19:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a windows I havent booted in months, sure
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[19:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I reduced my computer usage from 3 to 2 computers today so I am rather proud
[19:53] <Swob> cool
[19:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> my bots should have more uptime now
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[20:11] <BobTheWikipedian> :o there is someone with my name who is president of a unity club in germany :o
[20:11] <duh> Someone named themselves Bob the Wikipedian???
[20:11] <Swob> cool
[20:11] <BobTheWikipedian> no my real name
[20:11] <Swob> that must mean youre German
[20:12] <mareklug> Swob he already told us he is mostly of Roman Empire, Holy or whatnot
[20:12] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm about 40% holy roman
[20:12] <BlastHardcheese> you know who else was president of a unity club in germany
[20:12] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[20:13] <mareklug> that's good enough.  we have cheeses in the States with less cheese content than that
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[20:13] <Amqui> hum a first for me, a song used as references, original
[20:13] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
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[20:16] <Amqui>
[20:17] <D_> arwiki is showing me a talk-page-updated box
[20:17] <D_> at least I think that's what it is
[20:17] <D_> Looks like someone welcomed me there in 2011
[20:17] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[20:18] <D_> The welcome template helpfully has the word "Welcome" in several languages
[20:19] <D_> that's how I know it's a welcome template
[20:19] <D_> I don't speak or read Arabic
[20:19] <Addihockey10> Any americans here
[20:19] <Addihockey10> if so, pm me
[20:20] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm not here
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[20:20] <BobTheWikipedian> what's up addihockey10
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[20:20] <Addihockey10> BobTheWikipedian: Do you have netflix?
[20:20] <D_> "Square experiment has been allocated to contain your experiences and your first steps in the editing and modification."
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[20:20] <BobTheWikipedian> nope
[20:21] <D_> I think Google Translate is telling me they have a sandbox
[20:21] <BobTheWikipedian> i use hulu
[20:21] <BobTheWikipedian> lol d_
[20:21] <Amqui> good evening Addihockey10
[20:21] <Addihockey10> Hello Amqui
[20:22] <Amqui> there are better alternatives to netflix in USA ;)
[20:22] <Addihockey10> Like what
[20:22] <Amqui> hulu
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[20:22] <Addihockey10> I'm not from USA
[20:22] <Addihockey10> so hulu doesn't work
[20:22] <Amqui> cough proxy cough
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[20:23] <D_> Great, I created a second dupe on wikidata today
[20:23] <Amqui> Addihockey10 hotspot shield works
[20:24] <Dainomite> is anyone on here quite savvy with copyright things on WP files?
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[20:24] <Addihockey10> proxies are slow
[20:24] <Addihockey10> :-P
[20:25] <Addihockey10> brb
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[20:27] <D_> How many more duplicate items can I accidentally create on wikidata before they revoke my editing privileges for the good of the project?
[20:28] <Amqui> lol
[20:29] <Amqui> you do it on purpose?
[20:29] <D_> I said "accidentally"
[20:29] <mareklug> "[23:20:10] <D_>	 "Square experiment has been allocated to contain your experiences and your first steps in the editing and modification.""  <-- I beg to differ.  THey clearly called you a square, or at least your eidts.
[20:29] <BobTheWikipedian> hmmm. ohanaunited just pointed out to me that wikispecies permits original research
[20:29] <Amqui> oh right
[20:29] <Amqui> ;)
[20:29] <Swob> it does??
[20:29] <BobTheWikipedian> indeed
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[20:29] <Swob> what would that mean in the context of wikispecies?
[20:30] <D_> Discovering a new species?
[20:30] <Swob> from waht Ive seen of it, its articles are mostly just lists with a very few pictures
[20:30] <mareklug> proposing new taxonomies?
[20:30] <BobTheWikipedian> that means that we can't really merge the project without destroying a scientific forum
[20:30] <Swob> are there people talking about taking down wikispecies finally?
[20:30] <mareklug> I think BobTheWikipedian  proposed it.
[20:31] <Swob> cool
[20:31] <Swob> I'll vote for that
[20:31] <D_> has anybody ever used wikispecies as the authority for a binomial name?
[20:31] <SigmaWP> [20:30:20] �<�Swob�>�� cool
[20:31] <SigmaWP> [20:30:29] �<�Swob�>�� I'll bang that
[20:31] <SigmaWP> Fixed that
[20:31] <SigmaWP> Anyway, sorry, that's just how I read it first Swob :P
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[20:31] <D_> Well, clearly you have certain things on your mind
[20:32] <Swob> I mean no hard feelings, really, but Wikispecies was created when we didnt have bots creating thousands of stubs on Wikipedia that are basically the same as teh Wikispecies pages
[20:32] <Swob> and now that we do have those bots, it's mostly obsolete
[20:32] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm not a fan of the project myself but i don't want to bar our original researchers from editing
[20:32] <BobTheWikipedian> so i'm not going to post that proposal
[20:32] <Swob> ok
[20:32] <mareklug> Swob if it is obsolete, maybe we can sell it for a profit to a third world country?
[20:33] <D_> Look at the front page
[20:33] <D_> do you really want to kill that turtle?
[20:33] <BobTheWikipedian> too bad he waited until i finished writing it up to tell me though
[20:33] <mareklug> BobTheWikipedian typical predatory behavior.  Clearly an animal in action.
[20:33] <BobTheWikipedian> i could've spent my evening doing something different
[20:34] <Swob> is it really that bad?
[20:34] <BobTheWikipedian> is what bad?
[20:34] <Swob>
[20:34] <Swob> he doesnt look very happy
[20:34] <Swob> maybe he's mad that people are calling him a turtle when he's a tortoise
[20:34] <D_> He's endangered
[20:35] <BobTheWikipedian> most likely
[20:35] <D_> You'd be upset if you were endangered, too
[20:35] <Swob> he cant find a woman?
[20:35] <mareklug> Swob it's jus an anglo thing.  I think in Polish we have only one word for it:  food.
[20:35] <D_> How do you even know it's a he?
[20:35] <Swob> just guessed. it seems like a pretty muscular body build
[20:36] <Swob> if that's a female I can see why theyre endangered
[20:36] <Swob> i got off topic though
[20:36] <mareklug> Swob now now.  how can you tell she ain't pretty to a male tortoise?
[20:36] <Swob> is it really that bad if wikispecies closes down, seeing as their articles are basically the same as ours?
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[20:37] <BobTheWikipedian> honestly i'd love to see it shut down if only to eliminate redundancy
[20:37] <BobTheWikipedian> redundancy that leads to obscurity and incorrectness
[20:38] <Swob> and what do their OR policies allow that our lack-of-OR wouldnt?
[20:38] <BobTheWikipedian> scientists publishing their own discoveries
[20:38] <Swob> I mean, are there really that many people discovering new lineages of mushrooms that arent published scientists?
[20:38] <Swob> well hm
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[20:39] <Swob> I gather it's not that easy to get published in an RS-compliant scientific journal, even if what youre trying to publish is very clearly correct?
[20:39] <BobTheWikipedian> more like published scientists can't get wikipedians to care enough about their publishings to read their works and add it to wikipedia
[20:39] <Swob> aw
[20:40] <Swob> actually I think some species articles on Wikipedia can exist with no sources
[20:40] <BobTheWikipedian> most wikipedians could care less if someone discovered a new species of orchid
[20:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not true
[20:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mind rule 34
[20:40] <Swob> its presumed that they inherit their verifiability from a species catalog, so long as that catalog itself passes RS
[20:40] <D_> What does orchid porn have to do with it?
[20:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> pollenation!
[20:41] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm not saying it's not notable, only that most wikipedians wouldn't even have read the paper in the first place and as a result wouldn't know the information needed added to wikipedia
[20:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BobTheWikipedian I think of wikispecies as a catalog I suppose
[20:41] <BobTheWikipedian> we see what hits the news, not what hits the journals we don't subscribe to
[20:42] <D_> So, we should engage the wikispecies editors so that they contribute to wp instead
[20:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> perhaps the academic community would be most interested in using wikipseices but few are aware of its existence
[20:42] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
[20:42] <Swob> theyre mostly already here
[20:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can tell form profesisonal experience wikispecies is used for actual research in AI
[20:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where AI tries to find duplicates relations and etc
[20:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this is very hard to do in a general purpose wiki
[20:43] <D_> wikidata has duplicates and relations
[20:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> syncronising the relevant elements to wikipedia is a noble goal
[20:43] <D_> I should know very well about the former
[20:43] <Swob> well its not like the wiki would be deleted
[20:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but that shouldnt be so as to shut down a wiki
[20:43] <Swob> it just would be full-protected
[20:44] <mareklug> what if we made wikispecies a namespace of wikipedia?
[20:44] <BobTheWikipedian> would take years to get all the valuable info from it
[20:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug that would be fine.
[20:44] <D_> I think migrating the thing to wikidata would make more sense, to be honest
[20:44] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah
[20:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just think it is helpful to scientists if the content is restricted in some way or form
[20:44] <D_> Taxonomic information and whatnot is easily represented in wikidata
[20:44] <BobTheWikipedian> practically anything wikispecies does wikidata can do
[20:44] <Swob> if I was you Id at least save the text I wrote in case I changed my mind about it
[20:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> keeping it in a single namespace which has no other content is fine
[20:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so, I think your proposal should focus on such a migration
[20:45] <BobTheWikipedian> yeah soap i have
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[20:45] <Swob> hm
[20:45] <Swob> ok
[20:45] <Swob> I want to get involved in wikidata when I get some time
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[20:46] <Guest78784> test
[20:46] <D_> pass
[20:46] <BobTheWikipedian> Your test worked and has been reverted.
[20:46] <Guest78784> how do I activate my nick?
[20:46] <D_> you do /nick whatever
[20:46] <BobTheWikipedian> Please consider using the Sandbox if you would like to test further.
[20:47] <D_> but if it's already taken it might kick you off it
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[20:47] <whatever> :p
[20:47] <mareklug> Guest78784 it's easiest to pre-fill the slots in your clients prefs
[20:47] <D_> Well, Guest78784 was just "TCO"
[20:47] <Guest78784> I need more step by step instruction
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[20:47] <D_> But TCO is registered with nickserv
[20:47] <Guest78784> I typed in the slash nich TCO and it did not work
[20:47] <D_> Yes, because someone has it registered
[20:47] <Guest78784> so what do
[20:48] <D_> presumably someone who is not you
[20:48] <Guest78784> I do?
[20:48] <D_> Did you ever register "TCO" with nickserv?
[20:48] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[20:48] <Guest78784> I think so
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[20:48] <Guest78784> I didn't understand it though
[20:48] <Guest78784> someone did it for me
[20:48] <mareklug> "[23:47:26] TCO had userhost 4086a899@gateway/web/freenode/ip. and real name " -""  <-- was that you? Guest78784
[20:48] <Guest78784> yeah like I have those numbers memorized
[20:49] <D_> mareklug: the nick change just happened in channel
[20:49] <Guest78784> It's me
[20:49] <D_> * TCO is now known as Guest78784
[20:49] <BobTheWikipedian> haha
[20:49] <Guest78784> test
[20:49] <mareklug> failed
[20:49] <Guest78784> still a guest
[20:49] <D_> Do you remember your password, Guest78784?
[20:49] <Guest78784> yeah sure, probably
[20:49] <D_> I like your confidence
[20:50] <mareklug>   /ns ghost TCO password
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[20:50] <Guest78784> test
[20:50] <Swob> TCO is taken
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[20:50] <D_> Right, but Guest78784 may own it. Maybe. Probably.
[20:51] <Guest78784> I tried the slash ns ghost password...
[20:51] <Swob> it's taken by a user whos been on freenode since 2003
[20:51] <mareklug> but I vaguely remember that weeks ago we went through this with some TCO_    so maybe we are back to it.  and he does not own it after all.
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[20:51] <Guest78784> I was not here in 2003
[20:51] <D_> Oh, right
[20:51] <Swob> yeah sorry I dont think it's you
[20:51] <D_> I read that as 2013
[20:51] <Swob> dont feel bad I dont have access to my Wikipedia username on freenode either
[20:51] <Guest78784> I used to log in fine though
[20:52] <Swob> it looks like he only registered the nick in January
[20:52] <Guest78784> It changed after they tried to make it masking the IP
[20:52] <BobTheWikipedian> mine is too long
[20:52] <SuicidalZerg> Guest78784: How long have you been away?
[20:52] <Guest78784> from IRC?
[20:52] <Swob> but his freenode account goes back much further
[20:52] <Guest78784> few months
[20:52] <SuicidalZerg> Freenode lets people have nicks whose owners haven't been onlike for several months.
[20:52] <SuicidalZerg> online*
[20:52] <Guest78784> I used to be able to just logon as TCO though
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[20:53] <D_> Well, the guy grabbed TCO on Jan 4
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[20:53] <SuicidalZerg> Someone must have wanted it, so Freenode ungrouped it from your account, and gave it to them. It was re-registered 6 weeks ago.
[20:53] <D_> but he's been on Freenode since 2003
[20:53] <TCOtroll> fookers
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[20:53] <D_> I think freenode purged grouped nicks couple of months ago
[20:53] <D_> I remember there being several notices about that
[20:53] <BobTheWikipedian> night folks
[20:53] <Swob> night
[20:53] <D_> Goodnight
[20:53] <SuicidalZerg> They purged grouped nicks!?
[20:53] <D_> A while back, yes
[20:54] <D_> if they were unused
[20:54] <SuicidalZerg> Ridiculous, I still have all of mine.
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[20:54] <D_> you had to touch them to keep them
[20:54] <TCOtroll> So anyone want to canvass up an RFA?  that's what Sandy says we do here...
[20:54] <Swob> and she would know
[20:55] <mareklug> who is Sandy?
[20:55] <TCOtroll> she might not...but she would be very firm about saying she did.  ;-0)
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[20:55] <TCOtroll> It's like Marsha, marsha, marsha...
[20:55] <TCOtroll> if you have ever seen the Brady movie
[20:55] <Swob> [[user:SandyGeorgia]]
[20:55] <mareklug> no, but I vaguely remember the Brady's Bunch from TV
[20:56] <TCOtroll> dude...are you foreign?
[20:56] <D_>
[20:56] <D_> Ok, so maybe it was over 6 months ago
[20:56] <mareklug> TCOtroll dude, are you a troll?  I am having a hard time with your new choice of nick, to be honest.
[20:56] <TCOtroll> yes, I am a troll
[20:57] <Swob> i use this room as a chat room, pretty much.  the canvassing goes on in the private rooms
[20:57] <TCOtroll> would you prefer I not revelled in it?
[20:57] <TCOtroll> cool...can someone invite me to a private room?
[20:57] <Swob> and in all seriouesness, there;s lots of canvassing outside IRC too
[20:57] <Swob> so its not like you can just blame us
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[20:57] <mareklug> revel: "enjoy oneself in a lively and noisy way, esp. with drinking and dancing"  <-- where is the dancing?
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[20:58] <Swob> I wish public logging was enabled here, but it would solve almost nothing since people would just say "oh I know it looks like theyre all nice people but they have 40 different invite-only rooms and thats where the bad stuff REALLY happens"
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[20:58] <SuicidalZerg> Dancing? RIght here:
[20:59] <D_> I'm sure somebody would say that we're all speaking in code
[20:59] <mareklug> Yup.  UTF-8
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[20:59] <rigel> this is interesting
[20:59] <rigel>
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[21:00] <TCOslumminginIRC> I actually had a real reason to come here, but I can't remember it now.
[21:00] <D_> We're losing people left and right
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[21:01] <Bradford> o.o
[21:02] <rigel> I am pretty tickled that this spamming yutz responds to a reviewer by saying "OH BUT IT WAS JUST THE ONE"
[21:02] <rigel> i cannot imagine that is anything but unintetional hilarity
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[21:03] <SuicidalZerg> rofl
[21:03] <D_> It's like #wikipedia-en-help
[21:03] <Bradford> :D
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[21:03] <Bradford> hello (-8
[21:03] <Sven_Manguard> Susan: ping
[21:04] <D_> Where you have at least one person per day asking why their account that sounds entirely too much like an advert was rejected
[21:04] <D_> s/account/article/
[21:04] <Susan> Sven_Manguard: Hi.
[21:04] <Bradford> -.-
[21:04] <duh> !admin block
[21:04] <Sven_Manguard> Susan:
[21:04] <duh> also revdel the last edit please
[21:04] <SuicidalZerg> rofl:
[21:04] <SuicidalZerg> meat adulteration.
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[21:05] <rigel> I would encourage people to upvote that review
[21:05] <duh> jdelanoy: thanks. should that last edit be revdeled?
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[21:09] <TCOslumminginIRC> I should probably try reverse psychology.  Go against things I agree with and then as people want to line up on the other helps what I want to pass.  Think it might even work.
[21:09] <D_> No, I don't think you should try reverse psychology at all.
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[21:11] <TCOslumminginIRC> I will...wait.  Darnit.  ;-)
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[21:14] <TCOslumminginIRC> I am IP editing but will need to login as I want to start a new page
[21:14] <rigel> why are you ip editing ifyou have an account
[21:15] <TCOslumminginIRC> just lazy
[21:15] <D_> Are you one of those IPs with 1000+ edits?
[21:15] <TCOslumminginIRC> have to log in a lot
[21:16] <TCOslumminginIRC> naw just a little
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[21:38] <rigel> oh god, it gets SO MUCH BETTER
[21:38] <rigel>
[21:39] <rigel> righteous indignation at calling his REPEATED INSERTIONS INTO [[Theory of humor]] "spam"
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[21:39] <Vacation9> rigel: LOL
[21:40] <rigel> upvote that shit, holy crap
[21:40] <Vacation9> this isn't reddit :D
[21:40] <rigel> oh, maybe i should post on /r/Wikipedia
[21:40] <rigel> i dont even have a reddit account
[21:41] <Vacation9> ha yeah, I'd upvote that
[21:42] <Vacation9> Marked the review as helpful
[21:44] <duh> !admin block see edit filter log as well
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[21:45] <Vacation9> duh: +1, but why not AIV?
[21:45] <duh> that means effort
[21:45] <Aranda56> twinkle works ;p
[21:46] <Vacation9> done
[21:46] <Vacation9> <3 Twinkle
[21:46] <rigel>
[21:46] <Vacation9> "there doesn't seem to be anything here"
[21:46] <rigel> sorry, short link:
[21:46] <Vacation9> oh ok
[21:47] <Vacation9> that one doesn't work for me either
[21:47] <ihaveamac> shows for me
[21:47] <Vacation9> oh wow, I was looking at the comments
[21:47] <Vacation9> yeah it works for me
[21:47] <Vacation9> (upvote)
[21:48] <ihaveamac> upvote because
[21:48] <Vacation9> duh: Materialscientist took care of it from AIV
[21:48] <duh> ok
[21:50] <XingQiWu> <-- Libya didn't become a democracy after all?
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[21:57] <mareklug> XingQiWu Libya became something of a Wild Wild East, so it's kind of like democracy, except like in the westerns
[21:57] <SigmaWP> maid: :(
[21:58] <maid> SigmaWP:
[21:58] <maid> You'll have to submit your request to the fetus commission and your request will be evaluated by the fetus and the princess within 3 business days
[21:59] <SigmaWP> that's racist
[21:59] <maid> I'm not the one who quieted you, so you'll have to talk to fetus or princess
[22:00] <XingQiWu> SigmaWP: Do you concur with mareklug ?
[22:05] <TCOslumminginIRC> I just wrote an article
[22:05] <TCOslumminginIRC> You want to help build it up (no deleting please...)
[22:07] <D_> Well, since you asked nicely
[22:07] <rigel> TCOslumminginIRC: clearly you do not understand wp
[22:07] <mareklug> XingQiWu You know, proselytizing is a difficult profession.  These 4 should be happy they did not get boiled alive, as happened to St. Adalbert in Balt country in 900s
[22:07] <rigel> TCOslumminginIRC: please see [[WP:MERCILESS]]
[22:08] <TCOslumminginIRC> Yeah...I'm kind of the unwikipedian
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[22:10] <D_> Two!
[22:10] <D_> I have TWO notices in my watchlist!
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[22:15] <D_> Oh boy, an article with 11 cleanup tags and an expired PROD
[22:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug westerns had more cowboys
[22:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> libya has plenty of religious nut cases
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[22:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm wait... yeah... I agree, definately sounds like the south :p
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[22:16] <TCOslumminginIRC> Someone review my NPPs please
[22:16] <TCOslumminginIRC> I have 3 unreviewed new articles
[22:16] <Vacation9> TCOslumminginIRC: Links please?
[22:16] <mareklug> but you know, Socrates was suicided for corrupting the youth.  If in Libya they don't want proselytizing, it is their damn local right to be that way.
[22:17] <TCOslumminginIRC>
[22:17] <TCOslumminginIRC>
[22:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug but vast majority dont want to be ruled by a religious nut job
[22:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> likewise in egypt
[22:17] <TCOslumminginIRC>
[22:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the president is only there with like 25% of the vote
[22:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> his constitution was "approved" with about 50% of the vote and talks of fraud was there before the vote even started
[22:18] <mareklug> that's irrelevant.  if they don't want proselytizing, it is illegal.  what is there to argue about who wants what?  do you think the 100% Muslim Libyans care to have Bible-thumpers on their doorsteps?  Evidently so much not, that they outlawed it.
[22:18] <Vacation9> TCOslumminginIRC: Done.
[22:18] <TCOslumminginIRC> thanks man
[22:19] <mareklug> no one is making presences that Libya  is a multicultural cosmopolitan country.  But it does not have to be one.
[22:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I am not saying that
[22:19] <Vacation9> NP. You may want to expand the really short article though.
[22:19] <mareklug> pretences *
[22:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but the religious rethoric is not the majority, most people are more worried about the economy
[22:20] <mareklug> I am pretty sure they would support their law on this score.  the two are just not the same topic.
[22:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm to be fair, I watched a show recently and I can understand their fears :p
[22:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> an old educaitonal video
[22:21] <mareklug> Proselytiers are by definion an offensive bunch.  They come in to your house trying to tell you your shit stinks and they have better shit for you.  People can take that very badly.
[22:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "Deception of a Generation"
[22:21] <mareklug> Proselytyzers *
[22:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> blah
[22:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I cant conver to Druze?
[22:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> awww
[22:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> In 1043 Baha'uddin declared that the sect would no longer accept new pledges, and since that time proselytization has been prohibited.
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[22:25] <mareklug> they're still accepting over at the Atheist counter.  try them.
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[22:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I tried, they dont have a lot of benefits
[22:26] <mareklug> but no VAT either
[22:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am VAT exempt anyways
[22:26] <mareklug> then you are almost an atheist.  are you a deist?
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[22:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I wouldnt know
[22:27] <mareklug> it's what the Founding Fathers were into.  most of them.
[22:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Founding Fathers would have been into Final Fantasy if it existed back then
[22:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you have to admit, final fantasy has better graphics than any religion
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would prefer enrolling in reverse scientology
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where I dont have to believe nonsense but am paid to reamain a member
[22:29] <SigmaWP> needs deletion please
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its deleted
[22:29] <Vacation9> "This page has been deleted."
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> too slow
[22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> created 3 times
[22:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I wonder the content
[22:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> was it a penis?
[22:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this is why I want to be a sysop, strictly to see what was deleted :p
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[22:32] <SigmaWP> ToAruShiroiNeko: X
[22:32] <SigmaWP> Just X
[22:32] <Vacation9> But... you're not an admin
[22:32] <SigmaWP> Either that or it was "Mukburger"
[22:32] <SigmaWP> Vacation9: That's what you think
[22:33] <Vacation9> SigmaWP: :O *tsk* hacking WP's database again
[22:33] <SigmaWP> No, I just tagged the page
[22:33] <SigmaWP> so yep
[22:33] <rigel>
[22:33] <Vacation9> rigel: good for you
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[22:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP no, what I mean is reading hilarious stuff that get deleted
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[22:37] <Bradford> :D
[22:37] <Bradford> penis xDDD
[22:37] <D_> Do full all-revision dumps include deleted content?
[22:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> penis isn't funny
[22:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ no
[22:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats exactly why there are rereleases
[22:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> to make sure deleted content is excluded
[22:38] <D_> That makes sense
[22:38] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I think Bradford was pleasantly surprised, give him that much.
[22:38] <D_> I don't know if being surprised by a penis is a good thing
[22:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which is a shame because deleted content is a gold mine for data mining
[22:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you can use it as a learning set for algorithms to detect any future such content
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[22:38] <mareklug> no, but if it flicks your bick, we should not begrudge it.
[22:39] <Vacation9> ToAruShiroiNeko: Aren't we talking (admin-only) edit filters now?
[22:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Vacation9 no
[22:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> more like mahcine learning algorithms
[22:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am thinking more for images mind you
[22:39] <Vacation9> The runner of Cluebot NG is an admin is he not?
[22:39] <SigmaWP> Duh
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[22:39] <D_> Toss all deleted articles into the hopper and see what classifier comes out
[22:40] <Vacation9> Ah yes Cobi
[22:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ like I said, I am more concerned with deleted images
[22:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like for instance eiffel tower at night
[22:40] <SigmaWP> D_: Sort them by CSD criterion
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[22:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I watch radio dead air, I have seen plenty of stories where penises are involved
[22:41] <duh> SigmaWP: hi
[22:41] <D_> I bet you could create a fairly good classifier for G1
[22:41] <duh> oh
[22:41] <duh> you meant
[22:41] <duh> "duh"
[22:41] <SigmaWP> Ha
[22:41] <Vacation9> I KNEW that would happen
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[22:41] <duh> it took Cobi a while to get sysopped
[22:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> latest incident:
[22:41] <duh> like 3 tries
[22:42] <Vacation9> duh: Why? What were the concerns?
[22:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> while he did comply with the store policy, he did fail at the law
[22:42] <duh> Article work and stuff
[22:42] <Aranda56> vandal fighter
[22:42] <D_> What kind of doughnut did he purchase?
[22:42] <duh> Even Werdna had a hard time
[22:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ he didnt
[22:42] <Aranda56> with 0 article work
[22:42] <duh> Even though he already had db access
[22:42] <Vacation9> duh: Always an RFA killer
[22:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats the real crime
[22:42] <Aranda56> Werdna was different
[22:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "The streaker did not stop and order a doughnut or try to linger in the store."
[22:42] <Vacation9> ToAruShiroiNeko: That line is brilliant
[22:42] <D_> Yeah, seriously
[22:43] <Vacation9> Hey, I'm naked, could I have a doughnut?
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dunkin' Donuts will revise their policy to require pants now I think
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Dunkin' Donuts requires you to wear shoes and a shirt
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he was wearing a shirt, technically
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> just not... properly
[22:43] <D_> Seriously, it'd be more impressive if he nonchalantly strolled up to the counter and asked for a dozen
[22:44] <D_> "Sir, you are naked." "Yes. With sprinkles, please."
[22:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[22:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> watch it at own peril
[22:44] <Vacation9> It's just an excuse by the cops to get into Dunkin Donuts
[22:44] <D_> They need an excuse?
[22:44] <Vacation9> True
[22:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it starts at 2 minutes in
[22:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Vacation9 I think the cops were already in there
[22:45] <Vacation9> ToAruShiroiNeko: That would make sense
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[22:45] <D_> I wonder if the incidence of robberies at Dunkin Donuts is lower compared to, say, McDonalds
[22:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which is confusing since the man escaped
[22:46] <D_> Well, if you were a cop, would you want to put down your donuts and go chase after a naked crazy dude?
[22:47] <Vacation9> D_: Yeah seriously
[22:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_... mmm yeah
[22:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> to deter future incidents
[22:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they need to make cock cuffs, at least for florida
[22:48] <D_> I'm remembering a video I once saw of cops arresting a naked guy on PCP
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[22:49] <D_>
[22:49] <D_> (naked drunk man on PCP warning)
[22:50] <D_> Ok, I dunno if he's drunk
[22:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> florida?
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[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> D_ I dont know if you are a male but men have a dangling part
[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wood has thorns...
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[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OUCH
[22:52] <D_> I think the guy was too out of his mind to notice
[22:52] <D_> I think you can see blood
[22:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I like to think thats ketchup
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[22:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> because why not
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[22:54] <SigmaWP>
[22:54] <SigmaWP> Fuck this guy
[22:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> please dont
[22:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont need more of his genes
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[22:57] <SigmaWP> Good point
[22:57] <SigmaWP> May we burn him, then?
[22:59] <D_> As long as you remain civil while doing so
[23:01] <rigel> you have three options
[23:01] <rigel> you can burn him, bury him, or dump him
[23:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP why not use him as bait?
[23:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> dont polute the atmospehre
[23:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he shouldnt contribute to climate change
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[23:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP how would we recycle him?
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[23:11] <SigmaWP> Don't.
[23:11] <SigmaWP> We cannot risk his material being recirculated in the world
[23:12] <rigel> what is India's version of Yucca mountain?
[23:15] <BlastHardcheese> You mean, what's their version of a place that was being considered for a government facility for forty years before being shelved?
[23:16] <rigel> yes
[23:18] <mareklug> India has been a country only since 1948 so to be fair here, they have not had the time to consider anything for 40 years, let alone shelve it.  India is a poor country that is happy when Mumbai has electricity 18 hours out of 24.
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[23:22] <mareklug>
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[23:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP we can let him sink to the bottom of the ocean
[23:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he would eventually become limestone
[23:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> give or take a million years
[23:25] <rigel> why do you assume "him"?
[23:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> women dont act this moronic
[23:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug india should have populution control
[23:27] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko India should not be building aircraft carriers and/or buying hundreds of expensive fighter jets from Russia.  India should be doing some economic reforms and infrastructure overhauls.
[23:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
[23:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if only they did not border pakistan and werent at a nuclear arms race with pakistan
[23:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why did pakistan get nukes anyways?
[23:27] <mareklug> again, that was India's doing.  they got the bomb first.
[23:28] <mareklug> ^
[23:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I know!
[23:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> exactly your point!
[23:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> de-escalate conflict and spend cash on infrastructure rather than an army you dont need
[23:29] <mareklug> than an army/navy/airforce/nukes you can't afford.
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what is indias main export?
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> besides software
[23:30] <mareklug> graduate engineering students
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> besides that
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean what drives their economy
[23:30] <mareklug> graduate CS students
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> dont make me stab you
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> russia has natural gas
[23:30] <mareklug> after that, IT outsourcing
[23:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> china has everything but energy
[23:30] <TheLordOfTime> ToAruShiroiNeko, their economy's driven by them giving tech support
[23:30] <TheLordOfTime> hence IT outsourcing to India
[23:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TheLordOfTime aside from that
[23:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IT outsourcing cannot be their main market
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> how about you use GOOGLE
[23:31] <mareklug> [[India#Economy]]
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> like any normal person
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> or read WP
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> like any normal person.
[23:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not a normal person
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> That's your problem
[23:31] <TheLordOfTime> not mine.
[23:32] <rigel> India is the world's largest producer of those little decorative toothpicks that hold sandwiches together. this is their largest export and accounts for 67% of their GDP
[23:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not true
[23:33] <rigel> you know the ones i mean, with the colorful little plastic frizzy thing on one end
[23:33] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko "India ranks second worldwide in farm output."  bet you did not know that.
[23:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they use it domestically
[23:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or else theyd be dead
[23:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[23:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there
[23:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Unclassified, that helps
[23:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing specific is very dominant aside from precious jewlary and uncut diamonds
[23:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> unmounted
[23:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whatever
[23:37] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko "India has about 61 million children under the age of 5 who are chronically malnourished, compared to 150 million children worldwide. Majority of malnourished children of India live in rural areas. Girls tend to be more malnourished than boys. Malnourishment, claims this report, is not a matter of income, rather it is education as in other parts of the world. A third of children from the wealthiest fifth of India’s
[23:37] <mareklug>  population are malnourished."
[23:37] <dtm> harsh. :/
[23:39] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I wonder if the dudes in New Delhi buying those Su-27s are aware of this stat.
[23:39] <mareklug> They act oblivious.
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[00:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I have a solution,
[00:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> make the children eat the Su-27s
[00:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Are Su-27s nutricious?
[00:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> seriously though I hate it when weapons have priority over people
[00:06] <mareklug> actually, the latest that they bought is 47 Su-30s, so if anything, more expensive.
[00:06] <mareklug> per plane
[00:08] <mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko this madness is only escalating -- this is today's news article
[00:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wat
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[00:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> iranian source?
[00:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how bizzire
[00:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Eurofighter jets?
[00:10] <mareklug> well, Guardian?
[00:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I wasnt dissing the source
[00:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its just that I thought iran shut off itself from the rest of the world
[00:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly they didnt :/
[00:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> <- how outdated
[00:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I doubt that agency still exists
[00:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[00:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> built: 340+ as of November 2012
[00:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 471 ordered (as of January 2009)
[00:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why so different yearS?
[00:13] <TheChance> Speculating, but I'm guessing they don't release information on the number of planes that are ordered so often (you hear about how many have been ordered when they're hyping a model before release, but who follows up on continuing orders?)
[00:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but then the numbers are pointless
[00:14] <TheChance> On the other hand it should be no big deal to ascertain that "340 or more" have been built, based on FOIA-type requests from the governments who use said planes.
[00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "With 719 aircraft on contract and 571 aircraft on order by seven nations "
[00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> contract? order?
[00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wtf
[00:14] <TheChance> There needs to be a way to run different nicks in different channels. Hi, everybody, I'm User:Moralis, and I've missed the hell out of you.
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[00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 350 aircraft have been delivered
[00:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TheChance o hai
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[00:16] <TheChance> I'm speculating again, but couldn't "on contract" mean "leased to" and "on order" meaning "purchased by"?
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[00:16] <mareklug> on order may well include multi-year options
[00:17] <TheChance> Or perhaps "on contract" refers to the ones that have already been delivered (and are therefore subject to whatever payment contract applies)
[00:17] <TheChance> At any rate, we can't use it as a source if we can't make any fuggin sense of it.
[00:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug like how one buys a dell laptop?
[00:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you pick the display size, hdd, cpu
�06[00:19] * ToAruShiroiNeko picks a carry bag for the jet
[00:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh yes, must have yellow stripes
[00:21] <TheChance> Don't forget to buy the extended warranty.
[00:21] <TheChance> They'll screw you on service every time.
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[00:24] <mareklug> with military jets, you probably want the source code too.  Unless you're willing to suffer the scenario of the supplier remotely flying the thing back home.
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[00:28] <D_> (1,895 bytes) (-2,436)‎ . . (Fixes on grammer) (undo) (Tag: new editor getting started)
[00:28] <D_> Totally legit .
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[00:39] <IShadowed> SUP FUCKERS
[00:39] <IShadowed> WHO MISSED ME
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[00:41] <IShadowed> it's because all the relevant people are ball gagged in my basement
[00:41] <D_> You have one of *those* basements?
[00:41] <IShadowed> Ask Shirik
[00:42] <mareklug> IShadowed I know it's Sunday and all, but don't you have to go to church in the morning?
[00:42] <IShadowed> Yeah totally, *I'm* religious
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[00:44] <mareklug> what do they call those pretty things the Amish women wear?  Bonnetts?  The things with a bee in them
[00:45] <IShadowed> ...
[00:45] <mareklug>     nothing what I had in mind is illustrated here, tho
[00:46] <D_> Did you check the Commons?
[00:46] <mareklug> good call.
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[00:49] <mareklug> I don't think these *are* bonnets
[00:50] <mareklug> IShadowed -- you have a sense of fashion.  what are these head coverings?
[00:50] <IShadowed> I don't know
[00:50] <wctaiwan> pop music is the devil.
[00:51] <mareklug> the devil is in the details
[00:51] <mareklug> ergo pop music is in the details
[00:51] <wctaiwan> well, correction, bland yet catchy pop music is the devil
[00:53] <wctaiwan> on a rational level I know it's cheap to manufacture and not particularly well done, and yet I can't help getting lured--because it's precisely designed to pander to the sort of things people would like.
[00:54] <mareklug> we have a 12 step program for people like you and IShadowed, wctaiwan -- the first step is to do 16 Marina and the Diamonds
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[00:57] <wctaiwan> I'm not sure how you can do 16 [name]...?
[00:58] <mareklug> One theologically accepted way is via YouTube.
[00:59] <wctaiwan> do you mean listen to 16 of her songs? or...?
[00:59] <wctaiwan> also, someone is playing and some anime song on repeat on a stereo.
[00:59] <wctaiwan> It's... just not particularly good >.>
[01:00] <wctaiwan> Bradford would be pleased.
[01:00] <mareklug> wctaiwan here, let me be your Facilitator.   <-- hit the oval Play all button at the top.  That will get you 12.
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[01:03] <SigmaWP> hi wctaiwan
[01:03] <wctaiwan> hello.
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[01:04] <ELEE> excuse me
[01:04] <D_> You are excused
[01:04] <ELEE> what?/
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[01:05] <D_> I don't know
[01:05] <ELEE> ??????????
[01:05] <wctaiwan> !lynch Zhaofeng_Li
[01:05] <wctaiwan> >.>
[01:05] <ELEE> ! ELEE
[01:05] <wctaiwan> mareklug: I'm just using it to block out taylor swift right now.
[01:05] <Zhaofeng_Li> !vote wc per WP:BITE
[01:05] <ELEE> wctaiwan
[01:06] <Zhaofeng_Li> ;D
[01:06] <ELEE> can i give you question
[01:06] <wctaiwan> Zhaofeng_Li: you're hardly new :p
[01:06] <wctaiwan> go on..
[01:06] <Zhaofeng_Li> wctaiwan, ??
[01:06] <wctaiwan> BITE refers to newbies.
[01:06] <wctaiwan> biting newbies, I mean; not regulars ;-)
[01:06] <ELEE> um...
�06[01:06] * Zhaofeng_Li is still somewhat new~
[01:06] <ELEE> ??????/
[01:06] <ELEE> excuse me
[01:06] <wctaiwan> ELEE: what's your question?
[01:06] <D_> ELEE: Can we help you in any way?
[01:07] <ELEE> yes
[01:07] <ELEE> as you know(?), wikidata
[01:07] <wctaiwan> marek: Taylor Swift is worse mostly because it's on repeat.
[01:07] <duh> <3 Taylor
[01:07] <ELEE> admits(?) interwiki
[01:07] <wctaiwan> >.<
[01:07] <ELEE> so
[01:07] <duh> mareklug: btw thanks for the tip on marina and the diamonds the other day, it was pretty good
[01:07] <ELEE> when new article created ,
[01:08] <duh> ELEE: you need to create the item manually
[01:08] <mareklug> duh glad you liked it.
[01:08] <ELEE> bot
[01:08] <ELEE> dosen't work
[01:08] <ELEE> not mine
[01:08] <duh> ELEE: maybe your question is suited for #wikimedia-wikidata ?
[01:08] <ELEE> but
[01:08] <ELEE> ok
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�06[01:09] * Zhaofeng_Li didn't unserstand what ELEE meant
[01:09] <ELEE> um
[01:09] <ELEE> i mean
[01:09] <wctaiwan> Zhaofeng_Li: it's okay, I think duh's got this.
[01:09] <wctaiwan> he's the resident wikidata guy :p
[01:10] <D_> This editor with 4 edits wrote a fairly nice, referenced and well written article
[01:10] <D_> It almost brings a tear to my eye
[01:10] <Zhaofeng_Li> D_, you mean... ELEE?
[01:10] <mareklug> D_ Maybe it is a …woman!
[01:10] <wctaiwan> D_: check for copyvios and socks :P
�06[01:10] * wctaiwan waits for someone to hit him with the AGF mallet
[01:10] <D_> No, some editor on NPP
[01:11] <wctaiwan> seriously though, I get suspicious when I see that and frequently I'm right :?
[01:11] <wctaiwan> :/*
[01:11] <D_> I know, I usually expect a copy paste move or something
�06[01:12] * Zhaofeng_Li reads WP:ABF
[01:12] <mareklug> D_ i could be a long-time user/reader of high intelligence who finally felt compelled to contribute
[01:12] <Zhaofeng_Li> mareklug, probably
[01:12] <mareklug> it *
[01:12] <D_> Right, I'm not cynical enough to be unable to AGF
[01:13] <wctaiwan> wikipedia is not a question of intelligence. It's much more a question of experience.
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[01:13] <D_> There's pretty thorough documentation on a lot of things that very few new people read
[01:13] <D_> and if they did they could do a pretty good job
[01:13] <D_> So I guess every once in a while you find someone who did
[01:14] <wctaiwan> :| idk. I'm pretty good with code and stuff and I found inline references utterly confusing.
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[01:14] <wctaiwan> I still find all the {{{{1}}}} confusing.
[01:14] <mareklug> on the other hand, you can get a huge amount right by following in copy-paste fashion the template that is another solid article
[01:15] <D_> Heh, my reference management software has the ability to spit out cite templates
[01:15] <D_> (Zotero)
[01:15] <Zhaofeng_Li> wctaiwan, perhaps s/he is a long-time ip contributor like bumm13?
[01:15] <D_> That's how I do it 90% of the time
[01:15] <Zhaofeng_Li> *was
[01:15] <wctaiwan> Zhaofeng_Li: that's more likely.
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[01:20] <Zhaofeng_Li> what s/he's username, anyway?
[01:20] <mareklug> what's their username, anyway? *
[01:21] <wctaiwan> mareklug: Singular they ftw :D
[01:21] <wctaiwan> I should put that userbox on my user page.
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[01:21] <wctaiwan> xe and especially xyr make me cringe every time I see them.
[01:21] <Zhaofeng_Li> mareklug, you are assuming s/he is a sock...
[01:21] <mareklug> en-5 implies it.
[01:21] <mareklug> Zhaofeng_Li no I am not.
[01:21] <D_> How do you feel about spivak?
[01:22] <mareklug> wctaiwan pls. explain this to Zhaofeng_Li
�06[01:22] * Zhaofeng_Li means "This editor with 4 edits wrote a fairly nice, referenced and well written article"
[01:23] <Zhaofeng_Li> ...'s username
[01:23] <mareklug> their username
[01:23] <wctaiwan> Zhaofeng_Li: some people, marek and myself included, advocate the use of "their" in place of "his / her" which is totally awkward.
[01:24] <wctaiwan> it's a question of style, not suspicion of socking :P
[01:24] <mareklug> it is a long-standing tradition in English, which went kaput somewhere around 1849
[01:24] <wctaiwan>
[01:24] <D_>
[01:24] <D_> is them
[01:24] <D_> or em
[01:24] <D_> or ir
[01:24] <wctaiwan> Chicago Manual rescinded their recommendation of it, marek :(
[01:24] <Zhaofeng_Li> mareklug, okay, sorry...
[01:24] <SigmaWP> Wait
[01:24] <mareklug> wctaiwan what does Chicago suggest instead?
[01:24] <SigmaWP> Are we supposed to remove interwiki links now?
[01:24] <SigmaWP> and categories
[01:24] <SigmaWP> or what?
[01:25] <D_> Not cats
[01:25] <wctaiwan> mareklug:
[01:25] <D_> interwiki links if wikidata is more accurate/newer
[01:25] <D_> Instead of updating them you could just nix them
[01:26] <mareklug> wctaiwan that's actually sound advice, all things considered.
[01:26] <ELEE> how can i call name in irc?
�06[01:26] * Zhaofeng_Li is speechless, looking at their article
[01:26] <SigmaWP> D_: So remove the interwikis?
[01:26] <Zhaofeng_Li> ELEE, call name?
[01:26] <SigmaWP> but keep cats
[01:26] <ELEE> yes
[01:26] <D_> Cats are local to the wiki
[01:26] <ELEE> like you did now
[01:27] <mareklug> type it
[01:27] <SigmaWP> ok
[01:27] <Zhaofeng_Li> ELEE, just type them...
[01:27] <ELEE> AH HAH
[01:29] <Zhaofeng_Li> wow, that's *unbelievable*
[01:31] <Zhaofeng_Li> the article is perfect except some parts are unref...
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[01:34] <wctaiwan> [17:26] <D_> Cats are local to the wiki <- what about dogs? >.>
[01:34] <mareklug> dogs with penises are grandfathered in.
[01:35] <mareklug> oh wait.  that's commons.
[01:35] <wctaiwan> hahaha
�06[01:35] * Zhaofeng_Li hasn't found copyvio in the article yet
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�06[01:36] * Zhaofeng_Li is amazed
[01:40] <Zhaofeng_Li> that's impossible!
�06[01:42] * Zhaofeng_Li sends OPJ91 a barnstar
[01:45] <Zhaofeng_Li> btw, is it good enough for GA?
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[01:46] <D_> It's good enough for DYK, if you want to nominate it
[01:46] <D_> provided there's something hooky enough
�06[01:46] * duh waves to worm_that_turned 
�06[01:46] * worm_that_turned waves
[01:47] <wctaiwan> hey WormTT!
[01:47] <Zhaofeng_Li> WormTT: hi
[01:48] <worm_that_turned> hey folks :) how goes it in here
�06[01:48] * Zhaofeng_Li thinks that we should push this to WP:TAFI
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[01:51] <Zhaofeng_Li> worm_that_turned, we've found this amazing article([[Alexander_Crombie_Humphreys]]), written by a new user with only 4 edits.
[01:52] <worm_that_turned> hmmm
[01:53] <Zhaofeng_Li> well-written and referenced
[01:53] <worm_that_turned> Indeed it is
�06[01:54] * Zhaofeng_Li thought it was copyvio at first, but hasn't found any evidence
[01:54] <duh> wctaiwan: I'm listening to your favorite artist right now.
[01:54] <wctaiwan> and who would that be?
�06[01:55] * duh is listening to Taylor Swift - We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together, from the album Red [3:13 mins] [250 kbps MPEG audio file] [5.78 MB] [played 4 times]
[01:55] <wctaiwan> ...
[01:55] <worm_that_turned> Gah.
�06[01:55] * wctaiwan gives duh the finger
[01:55] <duh> <3
�06[01:55] * worm_that_turned thinks "ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. never. ever. ever....."
[01:56] <duh> its a great song!
[01:56] <duh> the music video is pretty funny
[01:57] <duh> SigmaWP: so i discovered today that pywikibot doesnt handle timeouts very well
[01:57] <SigmaWP> duh: duh
[01:57] <duh> it just keeps sending the request over and over, so it keeps making the edits
[01:58] <duh> so now i'm switching to mysql logging instead of on-wiki :/
[01:58] <SigmaWP> logging?
[01:58] <duh> yeah for my properties bot on wikidata
[01:58] <SigmaWP> ah
[01:59] <duh>
[02:00] <duh> means i have to write a toolserver frontend to it though
[02:00] <duh> so much to do :/
�06[02:00] * wctaiwan is listening to
[02:00] <duh> oh cool thing though
[02:00] <wctaiwan> Idina Menzel is amazing <3
[02:00] <duh> i wrote a generator
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[02:01] <duh> that parses a dump, figures out whether dump text is up to date, fetches from API if needed, and then yields it
�06[02:01] * SigmaWP doesn't undertstand the wikidatas
[02:01] <wctaiwan> actually, musical singers are generally pretty good.
[02:01] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: no one does. It's lego's plot for world domination.
[02:01] <duh> muahahaha
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[02:06] <wctaiwan> hey Steven.
�06[02:06] * Zhaofeng_Li thinks about another werewolf game
�06[02:07] * duh wishes people tackled backlogs instead of playing werewolf games
[02:07] <duh> ;)
�06[02:08] * Zhaofeng_Li will do that later
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�06[02:11] * Zhaofeng_Li looks into WP:PAFC
[02:12] <Zhaofeng_Li> horrible
[02:12] <wctaiwan> if you can do that without running away screaming, you have passed the test >.>
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[02:13] <Zhaofeng_Li> unref, adverts, coi, pov....
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[02:17] <Zhaofeng_Li> oh, does helpmebot has a geoip command?
[02:17] <Zhaofeng_Li> s/has/have ....
[02:17] <duh> yes
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[02:18] <duh> !geolocate
[02:18] <Zil> Hello.
[02:18] <Zhaofeng_Li> duh: thanks
[02:18] <duh> np
[02:19] <Zil> Could someone rename [[Maria Paradis]] in [[Marie Paradis]]. I don't know where the Maria came from... But it should be Marie...
[02:19] <Zil> There was 2 articles... I suggest a merge. Someone transfrm one of the article s a redirect. So as I'm not an admin, I'm not able to rename.
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[02:22] <Zhaofeng_Li> Zil, looking
[02:23] <Zhaofeng_Li> Zil, [[Marie Paradis]] is a redirect to [[Maria Paradis]]
[02:24] <Zil> Yes.
[02:25] <Zil> I believe the correct name should be Marie rather than Maria.
[02:25] <Zil> As she's from Chamonix and that's the French name.
[02:25] <Zil> Rather then using the italian name.
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[02:34] <Zhaofeng_Li> Zil, it's Maria. See ("Maria was...")
�06[02:34] * Zhaofeng_Li goes to fix the reference link
[02:36] <Zil> I could find source with Marie...
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[02:38] <Zil> but well, it's not that important...
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[02:39] <Zhaofeng_Li> Zil
[02:39] <Zhaofeng_Li> oh... Zil has left
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[03:18] <SigmaWP> night
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[06:35] <Houswright> Good morning. I want to know if it is O.K. to translate and import the article [] into the English Wikipedia.
[06:36] <Houswright> I have seen other articles which were clearly copied into multiple languages.
[06:38] <duh> Houswright: yes you just need to mark it with a "translated" template
[06:38] <duh> let me find it for you
[06:38] <duh>
[06:38] <Houswright> Wow. This chat room is very helpful.
[06:39] <Houswright> IIt turns out my laptop battery is very low so I need to go but I'll be back. Thanks
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[06:58] <gde33> I has the solution wikipedians! We need every user an avitar that walks on the html page. Then it can point and say things about a paraghaps, if others agree you get experience points for that, powah levels and spacial attacks, if they dont agree we make pvp edit warz with exploding heads and limbs flying arround
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[06:59] <gde33> melee admins
[06:59] <Moe_Epsilon> o_O
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[07:43] <russavia>
[07:44] <happarappa> Why do all these porn chicks ruin their bodies with tattoos all over their arms and stuff? I can understand a "tramp stamp", because it's sexy, but why these huge tattoos that really make them look ugly?
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[07:56] <Theopolisme> !admin please give [[User:Darren Stephens]] the instructor user right per request []
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[08:17] <Irunongames> ohai hai
[08:17] <Irunongames> Guess who's at work?
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[08:20] <Pharos> POTUS
[08:20] <Irunongames> Totesd
[08:20] <Irunongames> *totes
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[08:21] <wctaiwan> Irunongames: what's with the nick?
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[08:23] <wctaiwan> actually nm I'm going to bed. night all.
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[08:29] <happarappa> Why do all these porn chicks ruin their bodies with tattoos all over their arms and stuff? I can understand a "tramp stamp", because it's sexy, but why these huge tattoos that really make them look ugly?
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[08:30] <Irunongames> I'm at work and I am too lazy too lazy to ghost my main nick
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[09:52] <mareklug> Gfoley4 so,… suppose Kentucky does not make NCAAs… ok.  but what if they don't even make NIT?  Would Calapari get fired?
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[09:52] <Anna_Frodesiak> i dont know how to handle this
[09:53] <Gfoley4> probably not
[09:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> archived too soon then buried
[09:53] <Anna_Frodesiak>
[09:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> pls help
[09:53] <Gfoley4> probably already have a 5 star class lined up
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[09:53] <mareklug> Gfoley4 yes.  but this class was supposed to be good.  It's proving that knitting a team is not working.
[09:54] <Gfoley4> yeah
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[09:56] <Irunongames> I just had a pt who could not walk
[09:56] <Irunongames> had no problem with the fact that he could not walk.
[09:56] <Irunongames> refused transport
[09:56] <Irunongames> da faq
[10:00] <mareklug> Anna_Frodesiak it's a talk page.  does it really matter?  I looked at the archive -- it does not seem to have any ongoing discussion
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[10:05] <Anna_Frodesiak> mareklug: well, there was one, but i guess i can start a new one
[10:05] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks
[10:09] <mareklug> Irunongames would they have to pay for it?
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[10:10] <Irunongames> mareklug: yes
[10:10] <mareklug> well, there you go.
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[10:28] <russavia>  - can someone add {{commonscat|Macklemore}} to this
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[10:31] <duh> done
[10:31] <duh> i couldnt really find a better place
[10:31] <duh> so i put it under ==Personal life==
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[10:33] <Bradford> :)
[10:34] <russavia> duh -- it goes in the "external links" section
[10:34] <duh> oh
[10:34] <duh> fine
[10:34] <russavia> ==External links==
[10:34] <russavia> {{commonscat|Macklemore}} with other links below it
[10:35] <duh> done
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[10:35] <russavia> thnx
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[10:36] <Bradford> Magog_the_Ogre:  hiii :DDD
[10:37] <Magog_the_Ogre> hello
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[10:51] <IShadowed_> I have to write a literary analysis paper
[10:52] <IShadowed_> I don't want to write a literary analysis paper.
[10:52] <IShadowed_> Life is hard.
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[11:02] <Irunongames> I'm bored
[11:02] <Irunongames> I want a car accident
[11:02] <Irunongames> fuuu
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[11:05] <Pharos> there's a lot of easy EMS work in siberia right now
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[11:06] <Pharos> also, duck-and-cover works
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[11:08] <Irunongames> watched duck in cover in class the other day
[11:08] <Irunongames> loved it
[11:08] <Irunongames> <3
[11:08] <Pharos> it saved kids in siberia
[11:09] <Pharos> they could have been victims of imperialists otherwise
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[11:09] <Pharos> apparently, that special technique was popular on both sides of the iron curtain
[11:10] <Pharos> and it works against meteors even just as well as h-bombs
[11:10] <Irunongames> Bert the Turtle bro
[11:11] <mareklug> Pharos say what you want, but probably taping clear foil to windows in schools etcetera is probably a good idea
[11:11] <Pharos> i'm not entirely joking
[11:12] <Pharos> it actually worked in siberia, none of the kids got cut by glass shards
[11:12] <Pharos> nuclear civil defense gets a bit of a bap rap
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[11:12] <Pharos> *bad
[11:13] <Rock_drum> Is a bap rap some sort of spoken poetry about bread buns? ;-)
[11:14] <Pharos> probably!
[11:14] <Irunongames> CDIF is the new MRSA
[11:14] <Irunongames> true story
[11:15] <Pharos> gout is the new gout
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[11:17] <Irunongames> H2N1 is the new H1N1
[11:17] <Pharos> veganism is the new scurvy
[11:17] <mareklug> horsepucky is the new beef
[11:17] <mareklug> at least in EU
[11:18] <Pharos> it seems borderline insane to me that horsemeat is illegal in the US
[11:19] <Pharos> are we a nation of centaur-worshippers or something?
[11:19] <mareklug> is it illegal?  it was very recently exported, but the last abattoir closed down on account of PETA like pressure, not laws.
[11:19] <Pharos> it's legal to export, but not to sell domestically
[11:19] <mareklug> it's cultural.  we say I could eat a horse, but we never do, as in 0 kg per person year.  In France, though, they kiss on the main street.
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[11:20] <Pharos> your culture is your cuture
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[11:20] <Pharos> if you want to be kosher or halal or vegan
[11:21] <Pharos> but it seems really odd that the USA has adopted the religion of horse-worship above all else
[11:22] <mareklug> Pharos "Contrary to common belief, it is perfectly legal to consume horse meat in the USA. Check with the USDA to confirm this. Horse is delicious cooked or raw. It is more healthy than beef, and equines carry far less diseases than bovines do. "
[11:22] <Pharos> hmm, consume is different than sell commercialy
[11:23] <D_> Perhaps the last 15 presidents weren't reptilians but equines!
[11:23] <Pharos> is it restricted by state, perhaps?
[11:23] <Pharos> Equine Conspiracy makes much more sense than reptilians
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[11:24] <mareklug> "Restriction of human consumption of horse meat in the U.S. has generally involved legislation at the state and local levels. In 1915, for example, the New York City Board of Health amended the sanitary code, making it legal to sell horse meat.[94] During World War II, due to the low supply and high price of beef, New Jersey legalized its sale, but at war's end, the state again prohibited the sale of horse meat." <-- I believe you can
[11:24] <mareklug>  today buy horse meat in Brooklyn, and eat a horse flesh dish at a restaurant, like steak tartare
[11:25] <Pharos> i will try!
[11:25] <D_>
[11:25] <D_> Extra points for the pun in the first sentence
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[11:30] <mareklug> "Harvard University's Faculty Club had horse meat on the menu for over one hundred years, until 1985.[96][97]"  <-- is this where Lennon got the Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds lyric "where rotten horse people eat marshmallow pies"  ?
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[11:30] <Pharos> looks like my best bet:
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[11:32] <Pharos> :P
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[11:32] <mareklug> New Yorkers are such outcry babies
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[11:33] <Pharos> NIMBY!
[11:34] <mareklug> for crying out loud, they eat moose in Newfoundland.    Newfoundland is positively crawling with moose.
[11:34] <mareklug> a moose is just like a horse, except for Allstate.
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[11:34] <IShadowed_> I don't wanna
[11:35] <mareklug> except for more Allstate *
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[11:35] <Pharos>
[11:35] <Pharos> that's the place for me
[11:36] <Pharos> uzbeks in brooklyn!
[11:36] <mareklug> "I went to Sheepshead Bay, looking for Armenian food.  Instead, I found tasty dried horsemeat.  And fake pet birds.  Life is good."
[11:37] <Pharos> it's a fun neighborhood
[11:37] <Pharos> lot of Russian/Soviet stuff
[11:37] <mareklug> I bet the tea is good.
[11:37] <Qcoder00> Help
[11:37] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: But you gotta :-P
[11:37] <Qcoder00> Can someone confirm I'm not going nuts...
[11:37] <Qcoder00> ?
[11:37] <IShadowed> But I really don't wanna
[11:37] <IShadowed> Good thing is, I have an RWDC meeting in 24
[11:38] <IShadowed> It should give me something useful to work on
[11:38] <Qcoder00> - It appears the original SOURCE doucment has crazy page numbering!
[11:38] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[11:38] <Qcoder00> :(
[11:38] <Qcoder00> I'd like someone to confirm it so I don't have to go looking for missing pages
[11:39] <D_> Which pages in particular?
[11:42] <Qcoder00> Around 506 in the djvu indexs
[11:42] <Qcoder00> The page numbers jump back from 468 to 457
[11:43] <Qcoder00> but this isn't an error in the Djvu scan, it seems to be an error present in the original PHYSICAL scans...
[11:43] <Qcoder00> XD
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[11:44] <D_> Yes, and they couldn't backspace
[11:44] <Dcoetzee> Qcoder00: They often arranged blocks incorrectly
[11:44] <Qcoder00> hmm
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[11:44] <Qcoder00> The text order is correct though I think
[11:44] <mareklug> considering that they a) did assemble type by hand, b) did not have internet porn, chances are that they did not make typos, no.
[11:44] <D_> I don't understand why these pages are marked with [468]
[11:45] <D_> with brackets
[11:45] <Dcoetzee> Well they didn't make "typos" per se since they didn't... type
[11:45] <D_> They typeset
[11:45] <Qcoder00> Well..
[11:45] <Dcoetzee> But they did misarrange the assembled type
[11:45] <Qcoder00> Whatever
[11:45] <Dcoetzee> On occasion
[11:45] <Qcoder00> I'm having to wonder if I'm going to have check EVERY single page numbers ;)
[11:45] <Qcoder00> :O
[11:45] <mareklug> I would wager they were way more scrupulous than our today's typesetters
[11:46] <Qcoder00> Indeed
[11:46] <Qcoder00> That's what suprisedme
[11:47] <mareklug> Qcoder00 however, the title seems to be something something AT LARGE, which seems to imply a loose leaf collection of pages, not an ordered book.
[11:47] <Qcoder00> OK
[11:47] <D_> I spent good 30 seconds on the File: page looking for the djvu download linl
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[11:47] <D_> and then I realized it's still "Full resolution"
[11:48] <Qcoder00> I think it's plausible that the pages aren't in the wrong order, just wrongly numbered in the original work...
[11:48] <Dcoetzee> D_: The full download interface ceases to make sense outside of images :-P
[11:48] <Dcoetzee> It's a minor issue
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[11:49] <Aranda56> potential history in the making btw............
[11:49] <mareklug> Gfoley4 who new Wisky would just slaughter OSU
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[11:49] <rigel> ok, so i am wondering how i go about editing an article about an organization i am a part of
[11:49] <Gfoley4> yep
[11:49] <rigel> especially when said page doesnt appear to have many watchers
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[11:50] <rigel> but a lot of it is outdated or needs clearing of cruft a la [[wp:recent]] language fixes
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[11:52] <Aranda56> i wonder if Patrick most likely winning the pole position for the Daytona 500, some idiotic sports nut would nominate it per ITN
[11:54] <Aranda56> of course if Patrick wins the Daytona 500 it's a big step in women's history and probably will be ITN quick
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[11:55] <Pharos> Patrick is disqualified from ITN and all feminist accomplishments now because of godaddy
[11:56] <Pharos> sad but true!
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[11:57] <Aranda56> but if she wins NASCAR main event, it's still an historic moment Go Daddy or not
[11:58] <Aranda56> being a female driver in a sport that always been dominated by men
[11:58] <Aranda56> i see an easy ITN if Patrick wins a race, with no bloodbath just for that reason alone
�06[11:58] * Dcoetzee generally agrees with that
[11:59] <Dcoetzee> A main event Nascar win by a female would change perception of the sport
[11:59] <Pharos> i  am slightly facetious on this point
[11:59] <Dcoetzee> And inspire more women to enter it
[11:59] <Aranda56> yes
[11:59] <Aranda56> would be an really historic moment
[12:00] <Pharos> it's hard to call anything in NASCAR historic, but ok
[12:00] <Aranda56> women winning in a men sport
[12:00] <Aranda56> she almost won the Indy 500 her rookie race
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[12:00] <Dcoetzee> I'm an e-sports fan (Starcraft 2) and I'd be really happy to even see a female compete in the top 8 at MLG or another major gaming tournament.
[12:00] <rigel> is it acceptable to use a separate username (so long as there is linking/attribution on the userpages) to edit pages i may be perceived to have a conflict of interest on?
[12:00] <Dcoetzee> It is overwhelmingly male-dominated.
[12:01] <IShadowed> heh.
[12:01] <Dcoetzee> rigel: If it's to avoid the appearance of COI then no, that's not a legit reason for an alternate account :-P
[12:01] <mareklug> Aranda56 it is only men's sport b/c of cultural precedence.  There is no technical reason, unlike boxing or track and field or football, why women should not win all kinds of car racing events all the time or at least half of the time :)
[12:01] <rigel> no, not to avoid, but to flag it as a potential coi
[12:02] <Aranda56> Indianapolis 500, 24 Hours of LeMons, Monaco Grand Prix, Daytona 500 probably the four biggest races in the world
[12:02] <Aranda56> mareklug women tried, and failed before on that sport thoughout its history
[12:02] <rigel> [[PharmFree]] is an organization i have had some involvement with. and this article sucks in any number of ways.
[12:02] <Pharos> i think the physical sport where women dominate most vs men is long-distance swimming
[12:03] <Dcoetzee> rigel: Just tag it with your main account. No big deal.
[12:03] <Aranda56> a NASCAR win by Patrick despite all her GoDaddy bs and gossip tabloid news, it's a big deal
[12:03] <Dcoetzee> rigel: If you're not sure about COI, leave a note on the talk page.
[12:03] <mareklug> Aranda56 it is only a matter of a) time b) numbers, c) training.  Women in a car are just as likely as women operating the space station
[12:03] <Pharos> it's a big deal if you care about NASCAR :P
[12:04] <Aranda56> mareklug if she wins, it would motivate much more women into auto racing
[12:04] <Pharos> now, i would like to see a Saudi Arabian woman win the Indy 500
[12:04] <rigel> hrm
[12:04] <Aranda56> and practically break the male dominated sport
[12:05] <mareklug> Pharos more likely than olympic track event.  she would not have to uncover herself
[12:05] <Bradford> :-)
[12:05] <Dcoetzee> Pharos: That'd be kind of hilariously awesome. Since Saudi Arabian women aren't allowed to drive :-P
[12:05] <Pharos> indeed :P
[12:05] <mareklug> Dcoetzee it would clearly be an apostate
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[12:06] <Pharos> well, racing isn't really the same as travelling alone
[12:06] <Pharos> so you bcould justidy it on shariah grouns!s
[12:06] <Pharos> *grounds
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[12:07] <mareklug> Pharos not if Koran forbids it.  Acoording to that Indonesian mayor on Summatra, it does riding motorcycles the usual way
[12:07] <Aranda56> two more drivers before she wins the pole, which would be huge either way
[12:07] <Pharos> Genghis Khan rode sidesaddle!
[12:07] <Pharos> nothing wrong with that
[12:08] <D_> Was it so he could shoot his bow better?
[12:08] <Pharos> and he fired flaming arrows at the same time
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[12:08] <mareklug> Pharos maybe she can then win Indy 500 riding side saddle
[12:08] <mareklug> "with a cheetah taped to her back"
[12:08] <Pharos> maybe, or maybe he was just very comfortable with all positions
[12:08] <Aranda56> again watching history is awesome
[12:08] <D_> So he was showing off?
[12:08] <TCOindahowse> What is the function of "Larabot"?
[12:08] <Pharos> no, all the mongols did that
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[12:09] <D_> Ah.
[12:09] <Pharos> it's considered feminine in the west, but they didn't think that way
[12:09] <Aranda56> I stopped following NASCAR after Dale Earnhardt death, Patrick got me hooked again
[12:09] <D_> I just imagined a kind of "Look, I can conquer you with my hands behind my back" situation
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[12:11] <rigel> does anyone happen to know the wp:mos guideline for use of "recent" and other time type language?
[12:12] <rigel> not finding it
[12:12] <Aranda56> Patrick won the pole for NASCAR biggest race :)
[12:12] <D_> rigel: WP:DATED
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[12:13] <Amqui> good morning
[12:13] <SigmaWP> 'tis afternoon where I live
[12:13] <Dcoetzee> rigel: Lemme find it...
[12:14] <rigel> Dcoetzee: i think D_ got it
[12:14] <Amqui> SigmaWP Sunday's afternoons are still mornings ;)
[12:14] <Dcoetzee> So he did
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[12:14] <Dcoetzee> Damn him and his mastery of acronyms
[12:14] <rigel> there should be a wikipedia quiz show
[12:15] <Dcoetzee> I'm not sure that's the right link
[12:15] <rigel> "what policy would you cite when removing language like "recently, organization foo sued person bar'"?
[12:15] <Dcoetzee> WP:REALTIME is the one I found
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[12:15] <IShadowed> <rigel> there should be a wikipedia quiz show
[12:15] <rigel> a. WP:DATED
[12:15] <rigel> b. WP:RECENT
[12:15] <IShadowed> "What percentage of active Wikipedia editors are virgins?"
[12:16] <IShadowed> 95%
[12:16] <IShadowed> 72%
[12:16] <IShadowed> 49%
[12:16] <IShadowed> 99%
[12:16] <geniice> 72%
[12:16] <rigel> 162%
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[12:16] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Well I'm going to assume most of the prepubescent ones are :-P
[12:17] <Dcoetzee> And going by maturity level, there have to be a lot of those...
[12:17] <IShadowed> >.>
[12:17] <D_> Do we categorize "MR. SMITH THE ENGLISH TEACHER IS GAY" vandals as "Wikipedia editors?"
[12:17] <Dcoetzee> Technically yes :-P
[12:17] <Dcoetzee> They are users who perform edits
[12:18] <Dcoetzee> But it depends on context whether they'd be included
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[12:19] <Dcoetzee> Here's a fun one: How many policies and guidelines are linked from [[Wikipedia:Key policies and guidelines]], and what is their total length in printed pages?
[12:21] <D_> I wanna see one of those book spammers on Amazon to publish a comprehensive book on WP policies
[12:21] <Dcoetzee> That'd be enormous. And rapidly outdated. :-P
[12:21] <IShadowed> noooooooooooooooo
[12:21] <D_> It might work as a doorstop
[12:21] <IShadowed> noooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: What's wrong? :-(
[12:22] <Theo|away>  !admin please give [[User:Darren Stephens]] the instructor user right per request []
[12:22] <IShadowed> worst idea
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[12:22] <Gfoley4> can admins even do that?
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> Incidentally I just found
[12:22] <Dcoetzee> Which is kind of a neat page. Short summaries of all 40 policies. :-P
[12:22] <D_> Pencil-themed
[12:23] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: On it
[12:23] <D_>
[12:23] <D_> I dunno how that is supposed to evoke "deletion"
[12:23] <Dcoetzee> D_: That's really really weird
[12:24] <Dcoetzee> How is deletion like sharpening a pencil?
[12:24] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: Done
[12:24] <D_> Well, uh, you have to sharpen your pencil first before crossing stuff out with it?
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[12:26] <Theo|away> Thanks, Dcoetzee :)
[12:26] <Theo|away> While you
[12:26] <Theo|away> 're here, can you also un-create protect [[Tiffany Alvord]] so I can move my 1K+ hits/month userspace draft there
[12:26] <Theo|away> please and thank you?
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[12:27] <D_> Desalination
[12:27] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: Link your draft please
[12:28] <Theo|away> [[User:Theopolisme/Tiffany Alvord]]; its a junky stub, but its better than nothing.
[12:28] <Theo|away> ** it's
[12:29] <Dcoetzee> Okay that is not an A7
[12:29] <Theo|away> Thanks for your vote of faith ;)
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[12:30] <IShadowed> I want a biscotti end
[12:30] <IShadowed> but
[12:30] <IShadowed> too many calories
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[12:30] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: While I'm at it I'm going to restore the old version and do a history merge, just for interest's sake
[12:30] <rigel> Anyone want to review my edits for NPOV etc?
[12:30] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: No low-calorie alternative?
[12:30] <rigel> this article needs either a whole lot of work or to be folded into the AMSA article, i think.
[12:30] <IShadowed> nah
[12:30] <IShadowed> just torture
[12:31] <rigel> again, the article is [[PharmFree]]
[12:31] <Theo|away> Dcoetzee: sounds good. thanks.
[12:33] <IShadowed> ewwww fluid dynamics testing
[12:33] <IShadowed> ewwwwwwwww
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[12:33] <IShadowed> I don't wanna do airfoil validation
[12:33] <IShadowed> hey
[12:33] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: Deployed now :-)
[12:33] <IShadowed> you bastard
[12:33] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: ;-)
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[12:33] <IShadowed> you get whatever's coming to you
[12:34] <Dcoetzee> IShadowed: Looking forward to it :-P
[12:34] <IShadowed> ..
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[12:34] <IShadowed> not
[12:34] <IShadowed> the
�06[12:34] * IShadowed sighs
[12:34] <IShadowed> I don't even.
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[12:36] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: I am impressed that your user draft was around long enough to get vandalism from fans
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[12:36] <rigel> So is simply being president of a notable organization enough to establish notability?
[12:37] <Dcoetzee> rigel: Nope. Notability is not inherited.
[12:37] <rigel> thats what i thought
[12:37] <Theo|away> googling "Tiffany Alvord wiki" brings it up as the no. 2 result
[12:37] <rigel> [sigh]
[12:37] <Dcoetzee> WP:NOTINHERITED
[12:37] <Theo|away> Dcoetzee: User:Theopolisme/Tiffany_Alvord
[12:38] <Theo|away> I mean,
[12:38] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: Your user draft appears to have achieved the status of a de facto article :-P
[12:38] <D_> Clearly we could write an entire encyclopedia in userspace and people would read it
[12:39] <rigel> Dcoetzee: clearly at some point AMSA wanted to have their presidents listed on wikipedia. would a list of past amsa presidents be notable enough to persist?
[12:39] <Theo|away> And a popular one, at that. :P
[12:39] <Dcoetzee> rigel: Maaaybe
[12:39] <Dcoetzee> Theo|away: More popular than some articles :-P
[12:39] <rigel> because there are two here that are completely non-notable by themselves
[12:39] <rigel> lauren hughes and brian hurley
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[12:40] <rigel> im just gonna send them to AfD i guess
[12:41] <Dcoetzee> Sounds good to me
[12:41] <Dcoetzee> I think A7 should be avoided for long-standing articles
[12:42] <rigel> what is a7, speedy?
[12:42] <Dcoetzee> Yeah
[12:43] <rigel> done and done
[12:44] <Dcoetzee> :-)
[12:44] <rigel> twinkle makes this shit so much easier, holy crap
[12:44] <rigel> how do i tag these AfDs with additional categories
[12:45] <Dcoetzee> I think you just add the categories. Take a look at other recent AfDs with cats on them
[12:45] <D_> I never see people delsorting their own nominations
[12:45] <rigel> oh ok
[12:46] <Dcoetzee> I don't because I can't figure out delsorting
[12:46] <Dcoetzee> But it's a good idea anyway
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[12:46] <rigel> yeah, i wasnt sure how to, but i noticed that a lot of additional tags were added.
[12:46] <D_> I think you just add a note to the discussion and then transclude at the relevant page
[12:46] <rigel> ive had not enough people chime in on an AfD before, i think because it wasnt delsorted
[12:47] <rigel> i will just wait for someone else to do it
[12:48] <rigel> and i am going to urge AMSA to hire someone to handle their wikipedia crap
[12:48] <rigel> because they clearly dont know what the fuck theyre doing
[12:48] <D_> As long as they don't interpret it the way most organizations do
[12:48] <D_> That is "hire someone to sanitize our entries"
[12:49] <rigel> yeah, i know. :(
[12:49] <D_> I find it funny that a lot of them are not even good at it
[12:49] <D_> as in, they'll delete the reflist and think that solves it
[12:49] <rigel> i can at least point them at people like lane rasberry or pete forsyth
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[12:50] <rigel> i think there is the possibility to urge them to join the WP:MED spinoff too, in which case they will really need to get on the stick
�06[12:51] * addshore waves at every!
[12:51] <addshore> Please stop adding interwikilinks to EN people! See Wikidata!
[12:51] <addshore> :D
[12:52] <IShadowed> Imma die
[12:52] <JohnLewis> Addshore: No.
[12:52] <addshore> :<
[12:52] <J