User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2012-08-17
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Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Fri Aug 17 00:00:10 2012 00:00 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:00 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-252-51-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:00 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-252-51-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:00 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:01 -!- Russavia [7cb23e88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.178.62.136] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:04 -!- Guest37665 is now known as Guerillero_ 00:07 < Elduen> I've made my second edit! 00:08 < Guerillero_> yay 00:08 < Guerillero_> what is your username 00:08 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 00:09 < Elduen> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elduen But I was kind of being tongue-in-cheek, since my first edit was a minor grammar fix and my second is a request to be adopted. 00:09 < Addihockey10> Guerillero_: I AM Guerillero 00:09 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:09 < Guerillero_> Thanks Addihockey 00:11 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-96-236-50-146.albyny.east.verizon.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:14 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away 00:19 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:19 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:21 < Peter-C> I should go to a gay bar just to get compliments. 00:21 < Peter-C> ‘Cause I can. 00:23 < Riley_Huntley> O.O 00:23 < Riley_Huntley> What type of WikiFauna do you think I am? 00:25 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:25 < Dainomite> can anyone tell me if i can/can't upload a picture of a boat from a website? :3 im not sure of the rules, being new and all 00:25 < Dainomite> , its the picture here -> http://www.msa.org.pk/frb.html 00:32 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:34 < Addihockey10> SigmaWP: hello 00:34 < SigmaWP> Hi 00:37 < BlastHardcheese> I'm on a boat mothafucka 00:37 * p858snake|l pushes BlastHardcheese overboard. 00:37 -!- tdubz is now known as thomas 00:38 < Apheori> Dainomite: It says 'all rights reserved', so that's generally a no. 00:38 < Dainomite> bastardos 00:39 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 00:44 < BlastHardcheese> :( 00:46 * Elduen pokes Apheori with a spoon. 00:46 < Riley_Huntley> Boats <3 00:46 < Apheori> Ow. 00:47 < ow> what? 00:48 < Riley_Huntley> ._. 00:48 < Elduen> Apheori: Ugh, IPs who don't understand that you can link to an article with [[double brackets]] instead of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_brackets single brackets]. 00:49 < Apheori> So tell them. 00:49 < Apheori> With a template! 00:49 < Elduen> I did. 00:49 < Apheori> With a template? 00:49 < Elduen> Now let's see if he fixes the giant page he just made with a bunch of single-bracket links. 00:49 < Elduen> Well, no. This is on the RSW. 00:50 < Elduen> I did leave that guy a message, though. 00:50 < Apheori> Ach. 00:51 -!- tyime [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 00:51 < Riley_Huntley> Elduen: What page? 00:52 < Elduen> Not a Wikipedia article. 00:53 < Riley_Huntley> Oh 00:53 < Riley_Huntley> RSW? 00:54 < Elduen> RuneScape wiki. One of Wikia's gaming wikis. 00:54 * SigmaWP bites Elduen 00:54 < Elduen> She knows what I meant. 00:54 < Riley_Huntley> aH 00:55 -!- yang [yang@freenode/sponsor/cacert.assurer.yang] has quit [Quit: Free yourself with Free Software, join www.FSF.org] 00:55 < SigmaWP> Yay! 00:55 < SigmaWP> Another Python-powered website 00:56 < Addihockey10> SigmaWP eats python for breakfast. 00:56 < SigmaWP> That's silly 00:56 < SigmaWP> Only perl users chomp; 00:57 < Apheori> Do I really need a shirt? 00:57 < SigmaWP> Also, https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement 01:00 < Elduen> Apheori: No. 01:00 < Elduen> Yep, I know about Secure Boot 01:05 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@CPE-58-165-34-155.lns1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:05 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@CPE-58-165-34-155.lns1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 01:05 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:06 < SigmaWP> Bye 01:06 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08 -!- dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:09 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:09 < Steven_Zhang> Elduen: did you ping me? 01:10 < Elduen> I don't believe so. 01:10 < Steven_Zhang> ah, indeed it was you. 01:10 < Steven_Zhang> yeah on my talk page 01:10 -!- Guerillero_ [~chatzilla@pool-71-126-38-107.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:10 < Elduen> Oh. Yes, that. I thought you meant here, on IRC. 01:10 < Steven_Zhang> nah :-) 01:11 < Steven_Zhang> let me read it - i was driving when I saw it :=_ 01:11 < Steven_Zhang> :-) 01:11 < Elduen> Oh dear. 01:11 < Steven_Zhang> lol 01:11 < Steven_Zhang> I'm very good at driving and doing other things. 01:12 < Steven_Zhang> Yesterday I ate dinner, wrote an email and drove home at 70 miles an hour 01:12 < Steven_Zhang> :P 01:12 < Steven_Zhang> all at the same timw 01:13 < Addihockey10> Steven_Zhang: wtf 01:13 < Steven_Zhang> ? 01:13 < Addihockey10> australia uses miles? 01:13 < Apheori> What continent are you on, again? 01:13 < Addihockey10> shame on them. 01:13 < Steven_Zhang> No, I converted it to miles for the convenience of those here. 01:13 < Addihockey10> Steven_Zhang: that's dumb 01:13 < Steven_Zhang> Since they'd probably want it converted into miles 01:14 < Steven_Zhang> Elduen: Got a few? 01:15 < Steven_Zhang> hmm 01:15 < Elduen> Sure. 01:15 < Steven_Zhang> OK, see PM. 01:16 * Steven_Zhang huggles Isarra 01:16 * Apheori hugs Steven_Zhang on behalf of her other self, which turned into a zombie. 01:16 < Apheori> ZHOMBAHS. 01:19 < Apheori> Whooo I get to be a rhombus. 01:21 * Addihockey10 gives Apheori redbull 01:22 * Apheori passes out. 01:22 < Addihockey10> Apheori: not allowed 01:22 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:22 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:22 -!- Apheori is now known as VanishedUser2138 01:23 < VanishedUser2138> I've vanished. You can't see me. 01:23 < Addihockey10> VanishedUser2138: no me 01:24 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:25 < TeeTylerToe> isn't that pretty much the only way to protect yourself from the deadly fauna of Oz? 01:26 < Addihockey10> TBloemink: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYWuGxF8Mso 01:27 < TBloemink> I think I saw that already :P 01:27 < TBloemink> Yeah I liked it before 01:27 < Addihockey10> it's awesome, though. 01:27 < TBloemink> I know 01:28 -!- Learn_bot [~Learn_bot@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: reconnecting] 01:29 -!- ItzExor [~exor@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:d6f2:e8a8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:30 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan doesn't seem to understand that companies have only been giving raises beyond inflation to top executives for the past 40 years 01:30 < Elduen> All I know is, I keep hearing that workers' wages have remained stagnant for decades while CEO pay has skyrocketed 01:30 < TBloemink> Who is the owner of Learn_bot ? 01:31 -!- darev [~darev@p54AAAAEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:31 < darev> hello 01:34 < TeeTylerToe> hi 01:34 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:35 < TBloemink> Hmm I think that bot isn't restarting then 01:35 < TBloemink> Please poke me when it returns 01:35 < TBloemink> (coffee time) 01:35 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: turrah.] 01:35 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:36 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:38 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:39 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:43 < TBloemink> "I don't always fight vandalism on enwiki, but when I do, the wiki is slow as hell and others are faster than me" 01:45 < TeeTylerToe> maybe you should fight other things on wikipedia, like abuse of authority 01:45 -!- Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte 01:45 < TeeTylerToe> or dispute resolution 01:49 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:51 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:04 -!- MarcoPerticarini [~chatzilla@host125-29-dynamic.250-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:05 -!- Addihockey10 [46439f15@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06 < TeeTylerToe> how was rathergate different from the Acorn scandal? 02:06 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:15 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:20 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:22 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:23 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:23 -!- VanishedUser2138 [~dirien@wikimedia/Isarra] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24 < russavia> do we need images on Julian Assange article relating to his ecuadorian asylum 02:25 -!- VeenaMalik [b6b22bb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.43.178] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:26 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has quit [Quit: goodbye.] 02:26 < VeenaMalik> Hot desi babe 28 Skype: VeenaMalik28 02:26 -!- VeenaMalik [b6b22bb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.43.178] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 02:27 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-65-214.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:28 < TeeTylerToe> if there are public domain images I suppose it wouldn't hurt 02:28 < russavia> teetylertoe -- here you go -- CC-Zero -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ecuador_grants_Julian_Assange_asylum.png 02:30 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o 02:32 < russavia> who would have thought that Russian Wikipedia would be the more progressive of all Wikipedias -- http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82#.D0.A0.D0.B5.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.86.D0.B8.D1.8F 02:33 < TeeTylerToe> ? 02:34 < russavia> I was banned for creating Polandball 02:34 < russavia> and here's Russian Wikipedia using Polandball comics in articles xD 02:35 < TeeTylerToe> well russian wikipedia is probably run by a corrupt oligarchy 02:35 < russavia> lol 02:35 < russavia> you think 02:35 -!- Sayzahn [~ManManMan@ip70-179-167-180.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:35 -!- Sayzahn [~ManManMan@ip70-179-167-180.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:35 < russavia> serious 02:35 < TeeTylerToe> or maybe the mob 02:35 < russavia> could be worse 02:35 -!- Sayzahn [~ManManMan@ip70-179-167-180.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:35 -!- Sayzahn [~ManManMan@ip70-179-167-180.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:35 < TeeTylerToe> maybe the triads took it over from the russian mob 02:35 < russavia> could be run by the same twits as english wikipedia 02:36 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:36 -!- Sayzahn [~ManManMan@ip70-179-167-180.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:36 < TeeTylerToe> russia isn't THAT corrupt 02:36 < russavia> precisely ;) 02:36 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:42 -!- Riley_Huntley [~quassel@wikimedia/Riley-Huntley] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42 < IRWolfie-> do I see paint art? 02:43 < russavia> indeed you do 02:43 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@host-92-15-205-130.as43234.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:43 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@host-92-15-205-130.as43234.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:43 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:44 < IRWolfie-> you said speedy keep in your AFD 02:44 < IRWolfie-> the polandball one 02:44 < IRWolfie-> Speedy implies that the nominator has done something improper 02:45 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_to_trial_SMS_to_warn_of_missile_strikes.png this is great 02:47 < russavia> not always 02:48 < russavia> it can also mean that referencing is enough and is demonstrated yadda yadda yadda 02:49 < russavia> Polandball has into 31 languages now 02:52 < IRWolfie-> russavia: no it doesn't, read the speedy keep guidelines 02:53 < IRWolfie-> it means this was a bad faith nomination or invalid 02:53 -!- ceradon [~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:53 < TeeTylerToe> how was rathergate different from the Acorn scandal? 02:53 < russavia> i've seen enough bad-faith shit in my time 02:53 < russavia> and been subjected to a lot 02:53 < IRWolfie-> russavia: and that nomination wasn't bad faith 02:54 < TeeTylerToe> nobody assumes good faith, not even admins. especially not admins 02:54 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: sure they do 02:54 < IRWolfie-> I do, I hope you do too. 02:54 < russavia> no they don't irwolfie 02:54 < russavia> not all do 02:54 < TeeTylerToe> then why do they prejudge so many people? 02:54 < russavia> because they are nitwits 02:55 < TeeTylerToe> Why do they blindly accept anything another admin tells them assuming everyone else is wrong? 02:55 < TeeTylerToe> where is the burden of proof? 02:55 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: no they don't 02:55 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@unaffiliated/unknownfork] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:55 < TeeTylerToe> An admin accused me of NPA. I talked to more than half a dozen admins. They all assumed I was in bad faith. I wasn't 02:55 < IRWolfie-> if you spend some time at ANI you will see that admins aren't in some cabal 02:56 < TeeTylerToe> yes, some admins don't like other admins 02:56 < TeeTylerToe> like cliques at a high school cafeteria 02:56 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you will find that it's most likely based off your behaviour 02:57 < TeeTylerToe> They knew nothing about my behavior 02:57 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: we can all see your contributions 02:57 < TeeTylerToe> I introduced myself and said "I was accused of NPA, please look at this" 02:57 < IRWolfie-> where? 02:57 < TeeTylerToe> and they all assumed I was guilty 02:57 < TeeTylerToe> where what? 02:57 < IRWolfie-> where did this happen? link me 02:57 < TeeTylerToe> the accusal? My talk page. 02:57 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:58 < TeeTylerToe> I bring it up with any admin, they say "well you NPA'd". I say "No I didn't, look at the facts", then they say "Oh" 02:59 < russavia> I have a translation of Polandball being done in a language which only exists in incubator at the moment, and it will be the FIRST article in that language 02:59 < IRWolfie-> You appear to have engaged in some amount of edit warring TeeTylerToe 02:59 < TeeTylerToe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nick-D#User_talk:TeeTylerToe 03:00 < russavia> IRWolfie -- go read [[WP:EEML]] sometime and how easily admins are able to be manipulated 03:00 < TeeTylerToe> So have several admins. I don't prejudge them though 03:00 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: who was that admin that you mention? 03:00 < TeeTylerToe> which admin? The one that accused me of NPA? 03:01 < IRWolfie-> yes 03:01 < TeeTylerToe> Hi Nick - I would recommend having another look at your block here. The block is perhaps appropriate, but there are no "personal attacks" for which you blocked him indefinitely on that page. Mind reinstating his talkpage access? 03:01 < BlastHardcheese> wouldn't being accused of "no personal attacks" be a good thing :I 03:01 < TeeTylerToe> After reviewing an appeal by this user, it does appear that Guy Macon was involved in the dispute, as he reverted the article several times prior to closing the DRN discussion: [4] [5]. I do not believe that the DRN discussion would have ended any other way than it did, but Guy demonstrably was involved and therefore I think this justifies TTT's claim (TTT incorrectly used the term 03:01 < TeeTylerToe> "conflict of interest" here, but his basic argument appears to be true). It appears that this claim was viewed as a personal attack against Guy, and I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. 03:02 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: don't paste volumes of text 03:02 < TeeTylerToe> violating NPA 03:02 < IRWolfie-> I asked one question 03:02 < IRWolfie-> I can read your talkpage. 03:02 < TeeTylerToe> Those are from Nick-D's talk page that I linked 03:02 < TeeTylerToe> the admin who blocked me indefinitely, and then blocked my talk page access 03:04 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you shot yourself in the food completely 03:04 < TeeTylerToe> I stood up to a bully who showed his character 03:05 -!- MarcoPerticarini [~chatzilla@host125-29-dynamic.250-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: no you edit warred continously and got blocked for it 03:05 < IRWolfie-> then based your unblock requests on attacking others and DRN 03:05 < TeeTylerToe> He blocked my talk page access for quoting the procedings of the arbitration committee 03:06 < TeeTylerToe> I attacked a DRN volunteer who was edit warring 03:06 < TeeTylerToe> in a conflict of intrest 03:06 < IRWolfie-> and you got blocked for attacking DRN volunteers 03:06 < TeeTylerToe> it's not NPA if there is proof 03:06 < TeeTylerToe> which there was 03:06 -!- thineantiquepen is now known as TAP 03:07 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you weren't blocked for personal attacks 03:07 < TeeTylerToe> are you making personal attacks against me accusing me of edit warring? 03:07 < TeeTylerToe> I was blocked indefinitely for personal attacks that were based on fact 03:07 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Quit: Subject has jacked out] 03:07 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: no, it is self evident that you were edit warring since you were blocked for it 03:07 < TeeTylerToe> you can't have it both ways 03:08 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: both ways? 03:08 < TeeTylerToe> I had proof too 03:08 < TeeTylerToe> Guy Macon was edit warring in a dispute that he was party to on DRN 03:08 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: so? 03:08 < TeeTylerToe> I accused him of it just like you accuse me of edit warring 03:08 < TeeTylerToe> we committed the same "crime" 03:09 < IRWolfie-> Guy made about 2 reverts from what I can see 03:09 < IRWolfie-> you made about 6 03:09 < TeeTylerToe> I discussed my reverts with the person reverting them 03:09 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you do not re-insert additions without consensus 03:09 < russavia> irwolfie based on that 03:09 < russavia> shouldn't youreallycan be booted as well? 03:09 < TeeTylerToe> the other person stopped raising the dispute so I reverted it 03:10 < TeeTylerToe> then Guy Macon edit warred without discussion 03:10 < TeeTylerToe> it fits the definition of edit warring 03:10 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: sure, but your disruption was worse 03:10 < IRWolfie-> hence you got blocked 03:10 < TeeTylerToe> because I discussed it? 03:10 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: no because you persisted in edit warring 03:10 < TeeTylerToe> and I was blocked indefinitely for making a factual argument 03:11 < TeeTylerToe> No, I discussed my edits with the people that reverted my edits on the DRN 03:11 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: that you are unable to recoqnise the errors with your editing will result in the indefinite block being maintained 03:11 < TeeTylerToe> they dropped their complaints 03:11 < TeeTylerToe> the indefinite block had nothing to do with edit warring 03:11 < TeeTylerToe> the indefinite block was on NPA grounds 03:12 < TeeTylerToe> And my talk page access block was because I quoted the proceedings of arbitration committee 03:13 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: your judgement is clouded because you are personally involved in the dispute 03:13 < TeeTylerToe> You claim that the indefinite lock was on the grounds of edit warring 03:13 < TeeTylerToe> I couldn't even edit articles at that point 03:13 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: no I did not 03:14 < IRWolfie-> where did I make such a claim 03:14 < TeeTylerToe> <IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: that you are unable to recoqnise the errors with your editing will result in the indefinite block being maintained 03:14 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: that has nothing to do with the edit warring 03:14 < IRWolfie-> you have inferred that 03:14 < TeeTylerToe> <IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you weren't blocked for personal attacks 03:15 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: yes, you were blocked for incivility 03:15 < IRWolfie-> or it was extended to indefinite for that reason: (Edit warring continuing to abuse other editors while blocked 03:15 < TeeTylerToe> "I've just extended the duration of your block to indefinite for continuing to make serious personal attacks." 03:15 < IRWolfie-> you were abusing other editors, it got extended 03:15 < TeeTylerToe> Those are the words of the blocking admin. 03:16 < IRWolfie-> so? 03:16 < IRWolfie-> you were focusing your comments on other editors 03:16 < TeeTylerToe> <TeeTylerToe> <IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you weren't blocked for personal attacks 03:16 < TeeTylerToe> [06:15] <IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: yes, you were blocked for incivility 03:16 < IRWolfie-> while blocked 03:16 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: I can be wrong 03:16 < TeeTylerToe> I was blocked for personal attacks that were grounded in fact. 03:16 < IRWolfie-> there are numerous diffs showing personal attacks against guy 03:16 < TeeTylerToe> Not an NPA violation 03:17 < TeeTylerToe> Like what? 03:17 < IRWolfie-> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TeeTylerToe&diff=prev&oldid=504560987 03:17 < TeeTylerToe> He edit warred 03:17 < IRWolfie-> no, you are making accusations 03:17 < TeeTylerToe> He threatened to have me blocked several times 03:17 < IRWolfie-> you accused him of gaming the system, 10 times. 03:17 < TeeTylerToe> he did 03:18 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: he was warning you about possible sanctions 03:18 < IRWolfie-> he's not an admin. 03:18 < IRWolfie-> your whole basis for this discussion was about admins making accusations 03:18 < TeeTylerToe> "For the purposes of dispute resolution, the Arbitration Committee issued a decision in 2005 stating "whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets."[4]" 03:18 < IRWolfie-> and? 03:19 < TeeTylerToe> he gamed the system and threatened to have me blocked 03:19 < IRWolfie-> I don't know why you are linking this 03:19 < TeeTylerToe> liking to proceedings of the arbitration committee? 03:19 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: there is no evidence that he gamed the system. He did not threaten to have you blocked 03:20 < IRWolfie-> then you accused them of meatpuppetry, wow 03:20 < TeeTylerToe> the first one on my talk page "If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard, you may be blocked from editing" 03:21 < TeeTylerToe> they are guilty of meatpuppetry 03:21 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: Evidence 03:21 < IRWolfie-> first of all, define meat puppetry. 03:21 < TeeTylerToe> You're accusing me of accusing them of something you can't even define? 03:22 < TeeTylerToe> "For the purposes of dispute resolution, the Arbitration Committee issued a decision in 2005 stating "whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets."[4]" 03:22 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: I can define it, I want to hear your definition. 03:22 < TeeTylerToe> several users with similar editing habits participating in an edit war 03:22 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: they do not have similar editing patterns 03:22 -!- Sp33dyphil [cb2d98fb@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:22 < TeeTylerToe> They do 03:22 < IRWolfie-> they all disagreed with you; doesn't make them meat puppets 03:22 < TeeTylerToe> They all participated in edit warring 03:23 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: meat puppetry is attracting new, like minded editors into the dispute 03:23 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: don't be an idiot 03:23 < TeeTylerToe> Not according to the Arbitration committee 03:23 < TeeTylerToe> so what if I had gotten some friends 03:23 < TeeTylerToe> not new editors 03:23 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you are wikilawyering 03:24 < IRWolfie-> you are quoting pieces out of context to advance your own point 03:24 < TeeTylerToe> like you using your own definition of meat puppetry saying that it must be new editors? 03:24 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: I'm quoting [[WP:MEAT]] 03:24 < IRWolfie-> "High-profile disputes on Wikipedia often bring new editors to the site. Some individuals may promote their causes by bringing like-minded editors into the dispute. These editors are sometimes referred to as meatpuppets, following a common Internet usage. While Wikipedia assumes good faith, especially for new users, recruiting new editors to influence decisions on Wikipedia is prohibited." 03:25 < TeeTylerToe> so am I 03:25 < TeeTylerToe> For the purposes of dispute resolution, the Arbitration Committee issued a decision in 2005 stating "whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets."[4] 03:25 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: no you are quoting something irrelevant out of context 03:25 < TeeTylerToe> it's right there in WP:MEAT 03:25 < IRWolfie-> it's for an influx of SPA editors, it says above. 03:25 < TeeTylerToe> do you think I went back through arbcom proceedings from '12 to '05? 03:25 < TeeTylerToe> You're wikilawyering 03:25 < IRWolfie-> "Wikipedia has processes in place to mitigate the disruption caused by an influx of single-purpose editors:" 03:26 < IRWolfie-> These aren't single purpose editors. You are wikilawyering by quoting it out of context 03:26 < TeeTylerToe> So what if I brought friends of mine, not new single purpose editors? 03:26 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you have no evidence that that occured 03:26 < IRWolfie-> you just accused them of it 03:26 < TeeTylerToe> and the edit history shows that they edit warred as a group 03:27 < IRWolfie-> ... 03:27 < TeeTylerToe> what if I had brought friends of equal number, not new single purpose editors? 03:27 < TAP> ... 03:27 < TeeTylerToe> it's a way of gaming 3rr 03:27 < IRWolfie-> This is pointless. I can see that the indefinite block was fully justified. I am stopping now. 03:28 < TeeTylerToe> the indefinite block wasn't based on edit warring 03:28 < TAP> But the initial block was. 03:28 -!- Ebe123 [~Ebe123@99.192.75.199] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:28 -!- Ebe123 [~Ebe123@99.192.75.199] has quit [Changing host] 03:28 -!- Ebe123 [~Ebe123@wikimedia/Ebe123] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:28 < TeeTylerToe> after that I couldn't edit articles 03:28 -!- Sp33dyphil [cb2d98fb@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28 < TAP> That's the purpose of a block.. 03:29 < TeeTylerToe> So how did I get blocked indefinitely? 03:29 < TeeTylerToe> I couldn't have engaged in more edit warring 03:29 < TeeTylerToe> and no, blocks are also used by bullies 03:30 < TAP> "continuing to abuse other editors while blocked" is the reason. 03:30 < IRWolfie-> Baseless accusations of meat puppetry and other similar abuse of editors 03:31 < TeeTylerToe> Guy Macon's actions alone constitute edit warring in both the S-76 page and the DRN page where he abused his volunteer status and edit warred. He repeatedly reverted other editors edits, he didn't participate in the discussion on the DRN talk page, and his edit summaries were hostile, accusing me of "vandalism". Wikipedia has clear and strong policies on accusing other editors of vandalism. 03:31 < TeeTylerToe> And the group actions of the people with similar editing habits including the various editors collectively edit warring on the S-76 page are guilty of edit warring as per wikipedia policy. 03:31 < TeeTylerToe> that is the statement that got my talk page access banned 03:31 < TeeTylerToe> it is true 03:32 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: I'm not going to re-argue the points again, because you are wrong and can't see it. 03:32 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:32 < IRWolfie-> Wait a few months, then look back over your own comments 03:32 < TAP> Or even a year, which is often recommended. 03:33 < TeeTylerToe> Except two admins posted on Nick-D's talk page telling him he was wrong 03:34 -!- basile is now known as guillom 03:35 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: the admins asked questions, then they accepted Nick's answers 03:35 < IRWolfie-> they didn't tell him he was wrong 03:35 < IRWolfie-> they inquired 03:36 -!- Bejinhan [6e9f080b@wikipedia/Bejinhan] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:36 < TeeTylerToe> No, in both cases he said "the UTRS system will handle it" 03:36 < TeeTylerToe> which is what the admins accepted 03:37 < TAP> All of your unblock requests were declined.. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. 03:37 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: that isn't a quote 03:37 < TeeTylerToe> if he or she wants to be unblocked, this would be better handled through the ticket system to reduce the aggravation all round. 03:38 < TeeTylerToe> Given that the block is for an indefinite duration, the only thing he can realistically do with his user space is to ask to be unblocked. As this can be done through other means (which would also probably involve a lot less drama), I don't think it's appropriate to re enable talk page access at the moment 03:38 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: He is outlining how you can make further unblock requests 03:38 < IRWolfie-> even though talkpage access was revoked 03:38 < IRWolfie-> he is explaining why he revoked it 03:38 < TeeTylerToe> The UTRS appeal has been in the works since the 31st 03:38 < TeeTylerToe> he's saying it will be handled through UTRS 03:39 < IRWolfie-> That is what I said. 03:39 < IRWolfie-> He is outlining why he revoked talkpage access: you don't need it to request further unblocks 03:39 < TeeTylerToe> one of the unblock rejections was "Entire request reason ignored" 03:39 < TeeTylerToe> one was "Upon reviewing the history of the article in question, I don't see any signs of Guy Macon edit-warring against you. " which is demonstrably false 03:40 < TeeTylerToe> "NOTTHEM. " 03:40 < IRWolfie-> I'm not getting back into a discussion about the ban 03:40 < IRWolfie-> s/ban/block/ 03:40 < TeeTylerToe> and the last one was ignored completely because of the indefinite block 03:41 < IRWolfie-> you are ignored because your reasons are self-evidently false but you ignore any advice 03:41 < TeeTylerToe> "This block has been superceded by the personal attacks indef block." 03:41 < TeeTylerToe> yes, except they aren't as evidenced by the two admins saying they aren't 03:42 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: I think this really sums it up. There are no two admins that agree with you. You have invented it all to suit your purposes 03:42 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:42 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:42 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:42 < IRWolfie-> FYI, if two admins think you should be unblocked, they could have unblocked you if they wanted to 03:42 < IRWolfie-> they didn't, get over it. 03:42 < TeeTylerToe> I think this really sums it up. You claim that my claims are baseless, but two admins posted "hey, look at this base his claims have" 03:43 < TeeTylerToe> and then Nick-D would have reblocked me 03:43 -!- TAP [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:43 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: unlikely 03:43 < TeeTylerToe> and there would be admins block warring 03:43 < IRWolfie-> ^^ 03:45 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:45 -!- thineantiquepen is now known as TAP 03:46 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:46 -!- TAP [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has quit [Client Quit] 03:47 < TeeTylerToe> The mechanical differences between the s-70 and s-76 include weaker engines, smaller rotors, and the orientation of the tail rotor was changed. While they share transmissions of the same design. 03:48 < TeeTylerToe> You couldn't believe the lies, and the OR the brave members of aviation project replaced that with 03:49 < TeeTylerToe> the transmission is a single stage they said 03:49 < TeeTylerToe> now they're arguing which is less encyclopedic. "the transmission shares technology concepts", or "design technologies" 03:50 < TeeTylerToe> because they can't go with something that's supported by references or encyclopedic 03:53 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:53 < TeeTylerToe> Can anyone tell me why they edit warred so valiantly for dishonest OR? What would make members of aviation project swarm on an article and include any lie they can think of to contradict any similarity made between two clearly related helicopters? 03:54 < BlastHardcheese> because it's a conspiracy 03:55 -!- Bejinhan [6e9f080b@wikipedia/Bejinhan] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56 < TeeTylerToe> Why would there be a conspiracy to remove any comparison between two related helicopters? 03:56 -!- ceradon [~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 03:59 < TeeTylerToe> They would include "which employed the same design- and construction techniques; and aerodynamic features; for its main and tail rotor systems as the UH-60." but mentioning that they share similiar transmissions, which is stated in the same reference used for that statement was verbotten 03:59 < TeeTylerToe> why? 04:00 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:00 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:00 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:01 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:02 < TeeTylerToe> why would people edit war to prevent the reference supported statement that the S-70 and S-76 share a simplified transmission design? 04:03 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: you did. So maybe you can explain why 04:03 < TeeTylerToe> (+17) . . (→Design and development: corrected factual error) (undo) 04:03 < wctaiwan> (nice loaded language there btw) 04:03 < TeeTylerToe> (Undid revision 503786913 by Fnlayson (talk)the S-76 employed technologies developed for the UH-60... Among the features are... a simplified main rotor transmission.) (undo) 04:03 < TeeTylerToe> (Undid 503789609 by Kyteto The s-70 and s-76 share a bullhead transmission which is an alternative to the traditional planetary gear system with reduced complexity. It is inaccurate to say the trans of the s-76 is a simplified version of the s-70s) (undo) 04:04 < TeeTylerToe> Undid revision 503938483 by YSSYguy (talk) Yes, none of the references support the quote directly from the reference... wait...) (und 04:04 < IRWolfie-> don't spam. 04:05 < TeeTylerToe> why would people edit war to prevent the reference supported statement that the S-70 and S-76 share a simplified transmission design? 04:05 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06 < russavia> teetylertoe 04:06 < russavia> two links for you 04:06 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RANDY 04:07 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Experts_are_scum 04:07 -!- chicocvenancio [~chicocven@wikipedia/Chicocvenancio] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07 < TeeTylerToe> the thing is the aviation project is RANDY 04:08 < russavia> ignore the aviation project 04:08 < russavia> i have done so in the past 04:08 -!- chicocvenancio [~chicocven@wikipedia/Chicocvenancio] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:09 < TeeTylerToe> They feel they own all aviation articles 04:09 < russavia> the worst is the airline project 04:10 < IRWolfie-> this channel appears to have a rather large number of blocked users as regulars 04:10 < russavia> if you edit on aviation article -- www.farposst.ru is a great source for ebooks and the like 04:11 < russavia> with books in english, russian, polish, german, etc, etc 04:13 < TeeTylerToe> It helps us confirm our opinion of Admins 04:14 < TeeTylerToe> also in this form admins are forced to accept arguments unlike on wikipedia where they'll read your appeal and ignore it 04:14 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: No doubt you being a veteran editor of 300+ edits your opinions are well informed. 04:15 < russavia> well what you think about mine irwolfie? 04:15 < russavia> considering my edit count? 04:16 < russavia> and i am blocked for only being a troll (apparently) 04:16 < wctaiwan> russavia is a block-evading editing-by-proxy veteran wikilawyer >.> 04:16 * wctaiwan runs 04:16 < wctaiwan> (seriously though, I have no opinion :P) 04:16 < wctaiwan> (except when you start silly arguments in here and refuse to let it go) 04:17 < russavia> silly arguments? nah, I don't have much tolerance for bullshit 04:17 < IRWolfie-> russavia: I don't know any of the details about what occured 04:18 < IRWolfie-> seems like you violated an interaction ban 04:18 < russavia> seems like yeah 04:18 < russavia> things can be twisted many ways 04:19 < IRWolfie-> the diffs seem pretty conclusive 04:19 < russavia> i;'m not getting into it actually, just saying that edit count shouldn't be used for much really 04:19 -!- darev [~darev@p54AAAAEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:19 < russavia> right....you don't know what i know though ;) 04:19 < IRWolfie-> russavia: except as a basic indicator of experience 04:20 < IRWolfie-> if someones edit count is far far too small it probably indicates they don't have a large experience 04:20 < russavia> or that they have edited for a long time under an IP 04:21 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:21 < IRWolfie-> russavia: they didn't counter argue, so I doubt it 04:21 < IRWolfie-> and I see no references to one 04:24 < TeeTylerToe> The only reason I bother with a user account is when I'm creating an article, because like everything else that part of wikipedia is broken 04:24 < russavia> teetylertoe 04:24 < russavia> what you do is this... 04:25 < russavia> register a new account.....go edit other articles, saying on the mating habits of the common housefly, for a month or so...then gradually move back to the articles that you want to "fix".....do what you gotta do 04:25 < russavia> and within 18 months you could even become an admin 04:26 < russavia> then go block all the twits who got you blocked 04:26 < IRWolfie-> russavia: don't encourage other editors to evade blocks 04:27 < russavia> but edit other articles for 3 months -- this ensures that your IP and other information will no longer be accessible 04:27 < russavia> irwolfie 04:27 < IRWolfie-> ... 04:27 < russavia> why not? it happens every day and the community often doesn't care 04:27 -!- Learn_bot [~Learn_bot@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:27 < russavia> and i'm not encouraging him, i'm simply telling what often happens xD 04:28 < IRWolfie-> does commons have zero standards for its admins? 04:28 < IRWolfie-> russavia: you are instructing him on how to set up a sockpuppet 04:28 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-65-214.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 04:28 < TeeTylerToe> admins are admins everywhere 04:28 -!- Learn_bot [~Learn_bot@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:28 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: that is a meaningless sentence 04:29 < TeeTylerToe> you won't even admit that a project that believes that it owns an article could possibly edit war 04:29 -!- Learn_bot [~Learn_bot@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:29 < russavia> it's like getting instructions on how to make a bomb on the internet 04:30 < IRWolfie-> russavia: do you recoqnise that TeeTylerToe's actions were out of line 04:30 < TeeTylerToe> the people that pursue adminship are the same in every community 04:30 < russavia> haven't even looked tbh ;) 04:31 < IRWolfie-> russavia: great, nice job encouraging editors to evade blocks when you don't even know what they were blocked for. 04:31 < IRWolfie-> Is that how things run on commons as well? 04:31 < TeeTylerToe> I was blocked from talk page access for posting this: 04:31 < TeeTylerToe> Guy Macon's actions alone constitute edit warring in both the S-76 page and the DRN page where he abused his volunteer status and edit warred. He repeatedly reverted other editors edits, he didn't participate in the discussion on the DRN talk page, and his edit summaries were hostile, accusing me of "vandalism". Wikipedia has clear and strong policies on accusing other editors of vandalism. 04:31 < TeeTylerToe> And the group actions of the people with similar editing habits including the various editors collectively edit warring on the S-76 page are guilty of edit warring as per wikipedia policy. 04:31 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has left #wikipedia-en [] 04:31 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: noone cares 04:31 < TeeTylerToe> you just asked him 04:32 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: everything you have said here is untrue, so it can be safely ignored 04:32 < russavia> you should see what i say in commons IRC 04:32 < TeeTylerToe> like where I've caught you in contradictions? 04:32 < russavia> anything i say in IRC is not necessarily same as what my true opinion on things onwiki is 04:33 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: unlike you, I freely admit when I have made a mistake. You do not 04:33 < TeeTylerToe> I catch you in direct contradictions where you've held two opposing positions in the space of a minute 04:34 < TeeTylerToe> you "catch" me making arguments that are the subject of opinion 04:34 < IRWolfie-> You are incapable of understanding your block reasons. If your unblock is appealed, it should be denied on the grounds of incompetance 04:34 < TeeTylerToe> I was blocked for violating NPA 04:34 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: stop repeating yourself 04:34 < IRWolfie-> Noone buys it, so why keep saying it 04:35 < TeeTylerToe> sorry for keeping a consistent position 04:35 < russavia> teetylortoe 04:35 < IRWolfie-> you were blocked for edit warring, it was extended because you keep accusing others of meat puppetry etc 04:35 < russavia> give me just one diff that was reverted for being vandalism 04:35 < russavia> IRWolfie, you say that this guy is a newbie 04:36 < TeeTylerToe> A revert I made? I made reverts in cases where the reason for the edit I was reverting was bogus 04:36 < TeeTylerToe> see above when I listed several edit summaries 04:36 < TeeTylerToe> for instance when someone reverted my edit because it "contradicted references" when it was a direct quote from a reference 04:36 < russavia> give me the link of something that was reverted as vandalism 04:37 < TeeTylerToe> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sikorsky_S-76&diff=503789609&oldid=503788919 04:37 < IRWolfie-> it seems Guy Macon had a name transplant 04:38 < TeeTylerToe> name transplant? 04:38 < IRWolfie-> You said Guy Macon had hostile edit summaries accusing you of vandalism 04:38 < IRWolfie-> Where is that diff 04:40 < TeeTylerToe> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=504555576&oldid=504554431 04:40 -!- chicocvenancio [~chicocven@wikipedia/Chicocvenancio] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:41 -!- chicocvenancio [~chicocven@wikipedia/Chicocvenancio] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:42 < IRWolfie-> what were you doing 04:42 < TeeTylerToe> Guy Macon was edit warring on the S-76 page. To resolve that dispute it was brought to DRN. Guy Macon unilaterally closed the DRN dispute then edit warred to delete the discussion from the page 04:43 < IRWolfie-> You were re-inserting a closed dispute that Steven_Zhang had closed 04:43 < TeeTylerToe> I discussed it with Steven Zhang, he dropped his objection 04:43 < TeeTylerToe> the way civilized editors do 04:44 < TeeTylerToe> I pointed out to him that Guy Macon was involved in the dispute, and not acting asa DRN volunteer 04:44 < IRWolfie-> diff 04:45 < TeeTylerToe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Steven_Zhang#dispute_resolution_noticeboard_sikorsky_discussion 04:45 < IRWolfie-> because this says otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steven_Zhang&oldid=504570371#dispute_resolution_noticeboard_sikorsky_discussion 04:45 < IRWolfie-> Now where does he remove his objection 04:45 < IRWolfie-> please quote the exact sentence 04:45 < TeeTylerToe> He stoped making it and stopped discussing it 04:45 < TeeTylerToe> stopped 04:45 < IRWolfie-> No, quote the exact sentence. 04:46 < TeeTylerToe> he closed the discussion without renewing the objection 04:46 < IRWolfie-> You were blocked for a week, what could he object to? 04:46 < IRWolfie-> He didn't remove his objection, i.e that is an invention on your part 04:46 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:47 < IRWolfie-> you are inferring that when there are no grounds to 04:47 < TeeTylerToe> that was three and a quarter hours later 04:47 < TeeTylerToe> after he closed the discussion 04:47 < IRWolfie-> he is being polite, but in no-circumstances does he say; it's ok to restore that DRN that you keep edit warring to put back 04:47 < TeeTylerToe> He no longer objected 04:47 < IRWolfie-> You can ask him yourself when he comes here. 04:47 < TeeTylerToe> he basically said the DRN isn't for resolving disputes 04:48 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: there you go again, you are putting words in peoples mouths 04:48 < TeeTylerToe> If he continued his objection I would have continued the discussion 04:48 < TeeTylerToe> I'd suggest you consider an RFC if you would like this issue to be more extensively discussed, as DRN cannot help if the other editors are not participating in the discussion. 04:48 < IRWolfie-> Right, I have to get back to work 04:49 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: that means the opposite of what you stated: RFCs are done on the talk page 04:49 < TeeTylerToe> I didn't say it wouldn't be done on the talk page 04:50 < TBloemink> People, who is the owner of Learn_bot ? 04:50 < TBloemink> Please report yourself now before I remove the bot from this channel. 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Must go AFK and do something in the garden, apart from use my laptop. I have an Auzzie staying for a few days, it's been a good reason for some spring cleaning and I'm tuning into the dialect ;-) 06:01 < Qcoder02> 27C? That's a bit nippy mate :) 06:01 < russavia> put him out to work in the garden 06:03 < Fae> He's recovering from travelling the planet last night. After that he'll be cruising around Soho checking out the talent, he doesn't need a wing man, so I'm relieved to look forward to a quiet evening in with a pot of tea. :-D 06:04 * Fae Gets dragged away from keyboard to trim a hedge. 06:04 < russavia> he could simply cruise at your place....heaps of talent there i hear! 06:05 < russavia> probably tied up in the basement ;) 06:05 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 < Fae> How did you guess? :-D 06:06 < russavia> informed guess 06:06 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@112.79.40.50] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@112.79.40.50] has quit [Changing host] 06:06 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 < Qcoder02> Does anyone here have a list of UK firms that do business in Ecuador? 06:08 < Qcoder02> Or of Ecuadorian firms that have majority business interests in the UK? 06:08 < russavia> SAS will soon be doing business with ecuador i think 06:08 < Qcoder02> Doubt it 06:08 < Qcoder02> Storming an embassy 'Isn't playing the game' 06:09 < russavia> correct...you blow the living shit out of it with a missile 06:09 < IRWolfie-> British diplomats would be put at risk 06:10 < russavia> there's not much the poms can do 06:12 < Qcoder02> The reason I'm asking for a list of companies working in Ecuador is so that I can send appripriate letters to them 06:12 < Qcoder02> I assume WikiProject Ecuador exists ? 06:13 < russavia> and what is an appropriate letter? 06:14 < IRWolfie-> letters? 06:14 < IRWolfie-> why? 06:14 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-188-20.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:15 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-188-20.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:15 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:15 < Qcoder02> russavia: A letter asking them to review their operations in Ecuador 06:15 < russavia> fucking tories 06:15 < IRWolfie-> Why don't the Swedish just continue the trial in absentia 06:15 -!- Hydriz [~Hydriz@wikimedia/Hydriz] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:15 < IRWolfie-> they can even do it through video conferencing 06:15 < Qcoder02> IRWolfie-: It hadn't got that far... 06:16 < russavia> or they could send a prosecutor to london to interview him 06:16 < Qcoder02> All they wanted to do was an intial interview I think 06:16 < IRWolfie-> They know exactly where he is 06:16 < IRWolfie-> They were offered to interview him afaik, but declined 06:16 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@cpc1-dudl6-0-0-cust1981.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 < russavia> if one could drive across the channel tunnel, he would have been in ecuador months ago 06:19 < IRWolfie-> bought my lunch but forgot to eat it 06:23 < russavia> so qcoder02, why u want them to review operations? 06:24 < Qcoder02> Ecuador doesn't have a good record on Human rights 06:25 -!- mindspillage [~kat@pool-96-241-176-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:25 -!- mindspillage [~kat@pool-96-241-176-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:25 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:26 < russavia> have you written similar letters to uk companies operating in, oh, let's say, china? 06:26 < Qcoder02> I've considered it 06:27 < russavia> ah right, so instead of targetting truly horrendous human rights violators 06:28 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: sent letters to Columbia? 06:28 < Qcoder02> No 06:28 < IRWolfie-> Saudi Arabia? 06:28 < russavia> you are targetting a country due to a case, which is exactly about human rights? 06:28 < russavia> Singapore? 06:28 < Qcoder02> Syria? 06:28 < Qcoder02> Burma? 06:28 < russavia> USA? 06:28 < Qcoder02> OK I see what you mean 06:29 < Qcoder02> russavia: The US has human rights... It just applies them in a discriminatory way ;) 06:29 < russavia> same can be said about Russia lol 06:29 < russavia> look at the headlines right now 06:29 < IRWolfie-> yar, the whole pussy riot thing 06:29 < IRWolfie-> In Ireland, that would be a slap on the wrist non-offence 06:29 < Qcoder02> Not to mention the Ban on gay pride 06:30 < russavia> in relation to the pussy riot thing.... 06:30 < russavia> i wish celebrities would shut the fuck up about it 06:30 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:30 < Qcoder02> IRWolfie-: Can you imagine the Sex Pistols invading Westminster Abbey to sing 'God Save the Queen' ? 06:30 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:30 < IRWolfie-> Wow, they were found guilty too 06:30 < russavia> but i'd love to know the views of say the Vatican, or US presidential nominees 06:30 < russavia> , etc, etc 06:31 < IRWolfie-> Christians aren't that forgiving either it seems 06:31 < IRWolfie-> screw you clemancy 06:31 < russavia> of course 06:31 < IRWolfie-> No turning the other cheek either 06:32 < russavia> they are all hypocrites....on both sides 06:32 < IRWolfie-> sure, but some people are being put into jail whilst others are not 06:33 < russavia> "The Orthodox Christian church's de facto spokesman on the case, archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, told RIA Novosti in an exclusive interview last month that the church expected the women to repent for their protest. Chaplin said god had "revealed" this to him in a vision." 06:33 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:33 < russavia> LOL 06:33 < IRWolfie-> oh God :| 06:33 * russavia recalls, when you talk to god it's called prayer, but when god talks to you it's called schizophrenia 06:33 < Qcoder02> Depends 06:34 < Qcoder02> If god tells you to Invade Iraq that's a sound pilyc decision... 06:34 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: Can you diferentiate between mental illness and God talking in your head? 06:34 < Qcoder02> I whoudl use a :P more often 06:34 < Qcoder02> IRWolfie-: God is real :) 06:34 < russavia> i often hear things in my headx 06:35 < russavia> but that's probably the drugs doing what they're supposed to do 06:35 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: If you were God would you go around whispering things in peoples heads? 06:35 < Qcoder02> Qcoder02 : I don't know 06:36 < russavia> qcoder02 did god tell you to write to companies on the ecuador thing? 06:36 < Qcoder02> No 06:36 < IRWolfie-> The religious argue that God doesn't interfere to prevent evil. But then they claim God talks to people all the time ... 06:36 < noommos> I've made a mistake, could somebody delete User:Noommos/Billy Hathorn, it's far larger than expected 06:36 < Qcoder02> russavia: I'll reconsider the Ecuador thing... 06:36 < IRWolfie-> noommos: you can mark it for speedy deletion 06:36 < Qcoder02> Companies doing business with Syria would have more impact... 06:36 < noommos> it's tagged now, twinkle was having problems getting the edit through 06:37 < Qcoder02> (esp firms that deal in 'dual use' items) 06:37 -!- BigRig [~zephyr@50-79-238-214-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:37 < IRWolfie-> what is it? 06:37 < IRWolfie-> out of curiousity 06:37 -!- BigRig [~zephyr@50-79-238-214-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:37 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: what religion are you? 06:38 < noommos> grouped contribs [[Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Bot.28s.29_to_catch_bare_urls_and_copyvio]] 06:38 < Qcoder02> IRWOLFE: I prefer not to say 06:38 < russavia> UK companies doing business with syria? lol 06:38 < IRWolfie-> oh 06:38 < Qcoder02> Trying to explain EFTPOS to outsiders gets complex ;) 06:39 < IRWolfie-> debit card system? 06:39 < IRWolfie-> what does EFTPOS stand for? 06:39 < Qcoder02> Earth's First Terran Portal( to the) Outer Space ;) 06:39 < russavia> electronic funds transfer at point of sale...i think 06:40 < IRWolfie-> wait, what? 06:40 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/17/us-syria-crisis-airfrance-idUSBRE87G0E120120817 "Air France asks passengers for refuel cash at Damascus stop" 06:40 -!- BigRig [~zephyr@50-79-238-214-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:40 < russavia> lol mareklug 06:40 < Qcoder02> russavia: EFTPOS is a spoof ;) 06:40 < russavia> sounds like Air Zimbabwe lol 06:41 < IRWolfie-> ShakespeareFan00 is you? 06:41 < Qcoder02> IRWolfe: A lot of EFTPOS is about interface compatibility ... 06:41 < mareklug> well the Syrians would not take credit. but it was somehow later paid. 06:41 < Qcoder02> IRWofle: /me <smiles knowingly> 06:42 < Qcoder02> True compatibility is Binary Compatibility that allows someone's interface to 'Trunk' 06:43 < IRWolfie-> sounds Hubbard-eseque 06:43 < IRWolfie-> s/se/s/ 06:44 < Qcoder02> Well there is a degree of interface testing needed 06:44 < Qcoder02> 'debugging' an interface isn't without effort :) 06:44 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:45 < russavia> well i wonder whether air france will be prosecuted with supporting the syrian regime given their sanctions 06:45 < Qcoder02> but in EFTPOS each interface has it's own 'frewall' that needs modification 06:46 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:47 < mareklug> if Air France is to be prosecuted it's for flying the plane with too little fuel for diversion to a safe place 06:47 < Qcoder02> Not enough reserve fuel? 06:48 < mareklug> that's why they went to Damascus instead of Amman 06:48 < mareklug> these are micro distances 06:48 < russavia> right 06:51 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Quit: Nothing to do here… *flies away*] 06:51 < Qcoder02> Any bot writers in? 06:51 < Qcoder02> I have a request 06:52 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:52 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 06:52 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:56 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Headbomb, eir, Krenair, slakr, jappe, XJR-9, RD, JasonDC|BNC, BlastHardcheese, eeekster, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 06:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: XJR-9, idoru 06:57 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-108-38-205-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Headbomb, JasonDC|BNC, ToAruShiroiNeko, slakr, eir, eeekster, jappe 06:57 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pool-108-38-205-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: RD 07:00 < IRWolfie-> http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/08/kentucky-lawmakers-shocked-to-find-evolutoin-in-biology-tests/ No wonder the USA is going into the toilet 07:00 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:00 < IRWolfie-> or down the toilet I should say :) 07:01 < IRWolfie-> these people deserve to be beaten with sticks 07:02 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:03 < noommos> Qcoder02? 07:03 * KimiSleep slaps Fae around a bit with a large trout 07:03 < KimiSleep> what? 07:03 < Qcoder02> WP:REFLINKS contains a report which lists No title refs... 07:03 < Qcoder02> Is it possible to automate the fixing process? 07:04 < Qcoder02> http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks/NoTitle - Most of my recent 'edit-sprees' have been REFLINK ficing 07:04 < Qcoder02> which mostly consists of 2 mouse clicks... 07:04 < Qcoder02> It should be automated in my view 07:05 -!- Krenair [~Krenair@wikimedia/Krenair] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:06 < IRWolfie-> automated reflinks running? 07:06 < IRWolfie-> it's good to have the human element in the chain 07:07 -!- eir [~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 07:07 -!- Thoreau [~R@sm1-84-91-37-56.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08 -!- eir [~eir@freenode/utility-bot/eir] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:09 < Qcoder02> IRWolfe: For obvious cases , yes 07:09 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 07:11 < Qcoder02> It takes about 2 hours for me to a days worth manually 07:11 < Qcoder02> Doing it witha bot or AWB would take a few mins I feel 07:12 -!- Writ_Keeper [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Writ-Keeper] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:13 < noommos> The interactive mode is recommended, but takes longer. It fills in references more completely, creating high-quality detailed references without the "bot-generated" notes. It is the mode used in the template banner described in the above usage section. It can be used on bare URLs or plain links by selecting the relevant button before running the tool. The templates created automatically 07:13 < noommos> by the tool need to be reviewed to ensure that they are accurate, as they are often not. 07:15 -!- Soapy [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:17 -!- TAP [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:18 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:19 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:19 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:19 < mareklug> IRWolfie-: i think the real issue is the declining education level of serving state legislators themselves. there is no test of competency to become and stay one. And KY was a much saner state when I went to a public university there a while back. 07:20 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:20 < Qcoder02> mareklug: Make Politicans take a comptency exam? ROFL 07:22 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-174-111-088-120.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:22 -!- Wehwalt [4462af34@wikipedia/Wehwalt] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:22 < wctaiwan> hey, Wehwalt 07:22 < Wehwalt> wctaiwan: hey 07:23 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:23 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:23 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:23 < mareklug> "Anti-Putin rock band members sentenced to 2 years in prison for hooliganism" that's very severe, even though less than what the merciful tsar asked for 07:23 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:23 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-52-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:23 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: what is more sad is that people vote for these morons 07:24 < Mdann52> Any admins? 07:24 < mareklug> well, they appear locally credible during elections. they act feebly when in office. 07:24 < wctaiwan> IRWolfie-: why not, it works out well for them... 07:25 < Qcoder02> Should voters be asked to prove thier comptency ? XD 07:26 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:29 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: I have a fair system: If they can't spot their own state on a map of the world they should be excluded 07:29 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:29 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:29 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:30 < Qcoder02> XD 07:30 < Qcoder02> Most world maps are wrong though ;) 07:30 < mareklug> IRWolfie-: to be fair, make it a physical map 07:30 < IRWolfie-> A globe if you wish 07:30 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:31 < IRWolfie-> If a projection leaves you unable to spot your own state then out you go :> 07:31 < IRWolfie-> Or how about, "The sun and the moon are not the same object" True or false? 07:32 < Qcoder02> IRWolfe: What was the cause of the Civil War? ;) 07:32 -!- Froodsleep is now known as Frood 07:32 < IRWolfie-> Those damn yankies! 07:32 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33 < IRWolfie-> "Alex was laughing at me earlier because I thought the sun and the moon was the same thing. Turns out they’re not!" Quote from chantelle, UK big brother 07:33 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:33 < Qcoder02> XD 07:33 < Qcoder02> :O 07:34 * Qcoder02 wonders if they should set up a 'Big Brother' house as a care home for 'Essex-idiots' that appear on relaity TV shows 07:34 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-96-255-148-165.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:34 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-96-255-148-165.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:34 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:35 < Mdann52> :):);) 07:35 < mareklug> "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said confronting Israel is an effort to "protect the dignity of all human beings". "The existence of the Zionist regime is an insult to all humanity," Ahmadinejad said." <-- wait, he said "Zionist regime". Does that mean he is not against Israel's existence, only dislikes the government? 07:36 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: I'm just surprised this type of person remembers to breath 07:38 -!- TAP [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:40 -!- Mdann52 is now known as Mdann52-swimming 07:41 < IRWolfie-> *breathe 07:42 < mareklug> in case you're interested in what Pussy Riot sings like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqcmldeC7Ec&list=PL596119EEA8603CA5&feature=plpp_play_all 07:44 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:45 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:47 -!- TAP [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug pretty much 07:48 -!- LL2|Android [~LL2@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 07:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug the catch is he probably believes all Israelis are Zionists so the solution probably is making non-Israelis rule the country... How about para-dropping in the british queen? 07:49 < Qcoder02> Like the British were able to rule Palestine effectivly... 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no, thats not the point 07:50 < Soapy> i think a lot of muslim leaders arent as anti-Semitic as they make it seem 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the point is para droping in monarchs 07:50 < mareklug> i always wanted to know how Ahmadinejad felt about Israeli Arabs, of whom there is only an increasing population. I mean, they are Israelis. 07:50 < Soapy> they just do it to get the support of the people, who really are crazy anti-Semitic 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy of course not 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a good way to win votes 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the common folk tend to be stupid 07:50 < Soapy> in Iran if you said "you know, maybe Israel isnt so bad after all" 07:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think US republicans are anti-Islamic after all 07:50 < Soapy> youd have a mob after you 07:51 < Qcoder02> Blame Israel when you can't admit your own arrogance is the problem 07:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy not necesarily 07:51 < Qcoder02> Seems to be the view some Arab leaders have 07:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> vast majority of iranians arent really hpy with their government 07:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 to be fair Israel makes it easywith the use of their millitary 07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is much easier to convince people that "israel is out to get them" if they know Israel bomb people very now and then 07:53 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-590d8c38.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:53 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-590d8c38.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:53 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:53 < Qcoder02> Or gas them 07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gas? 07:54 < Qcoder02> Israel is alleged to have WMD by some arab leaders... 07:54 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ShalomSalamPeaceIsraelisPalestinians.png 07:54 < Soapy> oh come on, its an open secret that Israel has nukes 07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm 07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think israel has nukes 07:55 < mareklug> Qcoder02: Israel is practically known to have 200-300 nukes, so what is this "by Arab leaders" 07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> israel might have US nukes they themselves cannot use 07:56 < Qcoder02> Israel has never confirmed it has nukes 07:56 < Wehwalt> Only bad guys have WMF. Good guys have weapons to assure world peace 07:56 < Wehwalt> WMD I mean 07:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they never made nuclear tests either 07:56 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko: you're not saying what most sources say on this subject 07:56 < Qcoder02> ONly Bad guys have WMF? ;) 07:56 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:56 < Qcoder02> What bad gusy have WMF as an enemy? 07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think Israel has the wealth to build or sustain a secret nuclear facility 07:57 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel 07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont quite care about what the article(s) say 07:57 < mareklug> they certainly had the scientists. and the French gave them plutonium and a reactor 07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> israel is already spending a good chunk of their budget on conventional warfare 07:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> building 200-300 nukes is a lot of cash 07:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless that means -100 07:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p 07:58 < Qcoder02> How many Warheads does the UK Maintain? 07:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug if israel has nukes they wouldnt have more than a handful 07:59 * Peter-C licks ToAruShiroiNeko and Qcoder02 07:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 I dont know but UK is massively populated in comparison 07:59 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:00 * Peter-C glomps GorillaWarfare 08:00 * GorillaWarfare glomps back 08:00 < Qcoder02> UK Has 225 maintained warheads of which 160 are in operational use - http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclearweapons/nukestatus.html 08:00 < GorillaWarfare> Ooh, new crime log! 08:01 * wctaiwan discreetly inserts a hypodermic needle into Peter-C's arm 08:01 < Peter-C> Dude. How do you do that discreetly do that. 08:01 < Peter-C> A lot of medics would need that skill 08:01 < wctaiwan> ninja reflexes >.> 08:01 < GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: Maybe if he punched you in the other arm, you wouldn't notice 08:02 < Qcoder02> Israeli warhead count (in 2002) was estimated to be around 80 -see also http://bos.sagepub.com/content/58/5/73.full.pdf+html 08:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 ie they are in submarines or in underground bunkers 08:02 < Peter-C> Maybe if he tased me 08:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 80 is still too many 08:02 < Peter-C> I want to tase someone before I die. 08:02 < GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: Ha, I was talking to a cop in my town who's been tazed 5-10 times before 08:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think israel would go over 21 nukes as that would fail to meet blackjack 08:03 < Peter-C> I hope not by crims 08:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C there is hypo-soray technology 08:03 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Quit: I'm out] 08:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C one tase a day keeps the doctor away 08:03 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which in your case is because you are paralysed 08:03 < GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: Nah, in demonstrations 08:04 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko: "2010 -- According to Jane's Defense Weekly Israel has between 100 and 300 nuclear warheads, most of them are probably being kept in unassembled mode but can become fully functional "in a matter of days".[102]" 08:04 < GorillaWarfare> He gets people to bet against whether or not he'll do it 08:04 < GorillaWarfare> Just like… pizzas 08:04 < Peter-C> Nice 08:04 < Qcoder02> mareklug: 45 hours? 08:04 < Peter-C> I should do this. 08:05 < Qcoder02> Peter-C: What do you know about TENS unit use? 08:05 < GorillaWarfare> lolwut... 08:05 < GorillaWarfare> "A student reported that a woman appeared to be crawling on the ground in the North Lot. NUPD officers responded and reported that BPD and EMS were already on scene with the female. She initially would not identify herself. Officers eventually identified her as a 23-year-old Northeastern student, but she remained combative. Boston EMS transported the student to Beth Israel Hospital for further evaluation." 08:05 < Peter-C> Qcoder02 - no 08:05 < Qcoder02> If you learn how to use TENS as an EMS you can in a manner legally taze people :) 08:06 < Peter-C> GorillaWarfare - I once had a call for a person drowning 08:06 < Peter-C> My unit was first on scene 08:06 < Peter-C> She was having a heart attack in the middle of a parking lot 08:07 < Peter-C> Weirdest thing was, she was covered in water with no source... 08:07 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [SeaMonkey 2.11/20120715041107]] 08:07 < Peter-C> She was v-tachy as shit 08:07 < GorillaWarfare> V 08:07 < GorillaWarfare> *V-tachy? 08:08 < Peter-C> Ventricular tachycardia 08:08 < GorillaWarfare> Oh, of course 08:08 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCPbWUHu13M&feature=player_detailpage#t=40s 08:08 < Peter-C> As Bill Cosby would put it ^ 08:09 < GorillaWarfare> Urgh... 08:10 < GorillaWarfare> Sometimes when I first boot Windows, it forgets it's supposed to be in Dvorak and instead stays in QWERTY 08:10 < GorillaWarfare> Makes typing in my password a bit difficult. 08:10 < Peter-C> the fuck is a Dvorak 08:11 < GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: It's like the Lorax 08:11 < GorillaWarfare> Or also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard 08:11 < Peter-C> It’s scary D: 08:12 < Soapy> dvorak has a cult following 08:12 < Soapy> it's like Linux 08:12 < GorillaWarfare> Yeah, I switched to it a little while ago 08:13 < GorillaWarfare> I felt like I'd had a stroke for a while 08:13 < Frood> I have a 75% off code on Steam for Portal 2, anybody want it? 08:13 < GorillaWarfare> Going from 90wpm to 10wpm was frustrating as all hell 08:13 < Peter-C> I DO, but I have them already 08:13 < Soapy> i got Portal 2 for free once but decided not to download it because it was like 5 gigs 08:13 < Peter-C> Then why switch! 08:14 < Soapy> so thanks but no thanks 08:14 < Frood> Dvorak wrote music. 08:14 < Soapy> Steam is great though 08:14 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:15 < GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: It's supposed to be better for repetitive strain injuries 08:15 < GorillaWarfare> Plus I wanted to see if it would let me type faster 08:15 * Peter-C sneaks into GorillaWarfare’s room and replaces her wrists and runs 08:15 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7ab79b4-CM0013f7ab79b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:15 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7ab79b4-CM0013f7ab79b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:15 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:18 -!- Mdann52-swimming [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18 -!- Mdann52-swimming [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:19 -!- HarryS [H@unaffiliated/harrys] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20 < mareklug> according to Gazeta.pl, the Pussy Riot were sentenced to two years of labor camp, not just prison. Souns pretty retro, eh? 08:20 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.181.127] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:20 < mareklug> sounds 08:21 -!- ItzExor [~exor@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:d6f2:e8a8] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:21 < GorillaWarfare> Hmph. I wish my Windows 7 boot would stop accusing me of stealing it... 08:21 < GorillaWarfare> The one piece of software I have legitimately, and it's paranoid as all hell -.- 08:21 < Peter-C> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/528131_421706131198626_1911826795_n.jpg 08:22 < GorillaWarfare> Also, holy weird grammar 08:22 < Peter-C> O_o 08:22 < GorillaWarfare> "To change the hardware your Windows product key is registered to use the automated phone system to activate." 08:24 < Peter-C> They are totally going to send an attack helicopter to your dwelling 08:24 < Peter-C> And shoot it up 08:24 < mareklug> GorillaWarfare: that's so fascist. Apple never gave a fuck about its OSes. it was honor system. 08:25 < GorillaWarfare> mareklug: Yeah… Although it seems that the only thing Windows does when it thinks you're using a non-legitimate copy is remind you about it often and not let you have a desktop background… wut? 08:26 < Peter-C> You just need to put in the code and activate it 08:26 < Peter-C> :/ 08:26 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:26 < GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: I did, but then it told me my hardware has changed and I need to call the thing 08:26 < GorillaWarfare> I don't think it likes that I'm using it both through Boot Camp and through an emulator 08:26 < Peter-C> O-o 08:26 < GorillaWarfare> It gets all confused 08:26 * Peter-C huggles and pets Windows 08:26 < Peter-C> It’s just an operating system D: 08:26 < GorillaWarfare> Oh, now it wants me to buy a new copy for $110 08:27 < GorillaWarfare> Lolno. 08:27 < Peter-C> Buy windows 8 for $40 08:27 < mareklug> the point is she already paid for this 08:27 < GorillaWarfare> ^ 08:28 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:28 < Peter-C> LoganCloud - I WILL POKE YOU IF IT’S THE LAST THING I DO 08:32 -!- Mdann52-swimming is now known as Mdann52 08:32 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 08:32 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:32 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-252-51-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:32 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-252-51-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:32 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:32 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:33 * GorillaWarfare gives up and calls 08:34 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung 08:34 < aude> GorillaWarfare: ubuntu? :) 08:35 < GorillaWarfare> aude: But I already have a genuine copy of Windows 08:35 < wctaiwan> odd. Windows has always been rather permissive in its activation mechanism, from my own experience... 08:35 < GorillaWarfare> And I primarily use OSX anyway 08:35 < wctaiwan> :D 08:35 < mareklug> aude she already has a mac and was running Windows virtually. ubuntu is branching sideways 08:35 < wctaiwan> good >.> 08:35 < aude> GorillaWarfare: sure but 08:36 * wctaiwan stares pointily at LoganCloud 08:36 < GorillaWarfare> Ugh, that was user-friendly… They only ask me to type 54 digits into my phone, and then listen to the robot on the phone read me back 54 digits to type into my computer 08:37 < wctaiwan> the speech recognition didn't work, I take it :p 08:37 < GorillaWarfare> wctaiwan: It's faster for me to just type it into my phone 08:37 < wctaiwan> ah. 08:37 < mareklug> well, she has to get the new code in. they could have ruled it 08:37 < mareklug> url-ed it 08:37 < GorillaWarfare> Regardless, 108 digits seems like overkill to me. 08:38 < wctaiwan> mareklug: I think Windows XP was designed mainly for dialup. 08:38 < wctaiwan> looks like the system's still the same one... 08:38 < wctaiwan> (it probably wasn't, but still. Very archaic. Online activation was a novelty in 2001) 08:39 < mareklug> but afaik this is Windows 7. they really have no excuse 08:39 < wctaiwan> nope. 08:39 < GorillaWarfare> You can activate Windows 7 online usually 08:40 < GorillaWarfare> But this time it decided that a "hardware change" (what hardware change?) required me to do it via phone 08:40 < mareklug> probably MAC net address 08:41 < GorillaWarfare> Also, somehow my caps lock just got reversed on my Windows emulator 08:41 < GorillaWarfare> Wat? 08:41 < wctaiwan> (well, your virtual machine's very possibly passing a different set of hardware to the OS—e.g. using its own drivers for audio and networking and such, faking devices to the OS) 08:41 < wctaiwan> but.. odd. Is your windows an OEM copy? 08:42 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Quit: Nothing to do here… *flies away*] 08:42 < GorillaWarfare> wctaiwan: Nope 08:42 < wctaiwan> :s okay. 08:43 < GorillaWarfare> My professional diagnosis is that it's just moody... 08:43 < wctaiwan> heheh 08:43 -!- Hydriz [~Hydriz@wikimedia/Hydriz] has quit [Quit: Hydriz] 08:43 < Qcoder02> GorillaWarfare: does Wine exist for OSX?~ 08:43 < wctaiwan> (I asked because OEM copies are tied to the machine, as opposed to the buyer, so it's not unreasonable that they're more picky on hardware changes) 08:44 < wctaiwan> Qcoder02: yes, and there's CrossOver which is easier. 08:44 < Qcoder02> BTW I'm partly responsible for a slight architectural change in WINE... 08:45 < Qcoder02> I mentioned on thier chat a while back , about 16 bit support becoming harder on 64bit... result was the 16bit stuff got seperated a lot more than it was 08:47 < Qcoder02> Afternoon 08:47 -!- Internet13 [~Internet1@cpc26-croy20-2-0-cust25.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:48 < mareklug> Qcoder02: there are several ways to have Wine on mac, some complicated some not, some maintained by wine.rg, some 3rd party 08:49 < Pharos> GorillaWarfare: i have a library for you 08:49 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has left #wikipedia-en ["I've"] 08:49 < GorillaWarfare> Pharos: Oh? 08:50 < Pharos> Grove Hall Branch of the BPL 08:50 < GorillaWarfare> Do you know they're interested? 08:50 < Pharos> kmorse@bpl.org 08:51 < Pharos> yes, they signed up 08:51 < GorillaWarfare> Okay, I'll email her. 08:51 -!- Internet13 [~Internet1@cpc26-croy20-2-0-cust25.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:51 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.181.127] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:51 < GorillaWarfare> I was really hoping to do the BPL, but had sort of given up after two unreturned emails... 08:51 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:53 -!- LoganPhone [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:53 < GorillaWarfare> Pharos: Where did she sign up? 08:53 * GorillaWarfare waves at Ironholds 08:53 < Pharos> on our Wikipedia Loves Libraries googledoc 08:54 < GorillaWarfare> Googledoc? 08:54 < LoganPhone> Peter-C: Behave, please. 08:54 < GorillaWarfare> Where? 08:54 < Pharos> the one we are spamming to everyone on the sitenotice :) 08:54 < Ironholds> hey, GorillaWarfare :) 08:54 < Ironholds> how goes? 08:54 < GorillaWarfare> Apparently missed that… Link? 08:54 < Frood> HI LOGAN 08:54 < GorillaWarfare> Ironholds: Goes well ^.^ 08:54 < wctaiwan> hey Ironholds 08:54 < IRWolfie-> mandated external review sounds interesting 08:54 < Pharos> http://bit.ly/wikiloveslib 08:54 < LoganPhone> HI FROOD 08:54 < GorillaWarfare> Thank you 08:54 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: excellent! 08:54 < Ironholds> hey wctaiwan :) 08:54 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Quit: I'm out] 08:54 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:55 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@173.171.64.254] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:55 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@173.171.64.254] has quit [Changing host] 08:55 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:55 -!- Riley_Huntley [~quassel@d172-218-192-19.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:55 -!- Riley_Huntley [~quassel@d172-218-192-19.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:55 -!- Riley_Huntley [~quassel@wikimedia/Riley-Huntley] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:55 < Pharos> looks like a nice-sized branch: http://www.bpl.org/branches/grove.htm 08:55 < Qcoder02> Hi Ironholds 08:55 < Qcoder02> What's your view on Assange? 08:55 < Pharos> built 2009, fancy! 08:56 < Peter-C> omg I wanna be a crim 08:57 -!- foks|mobil [~foks@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:57 < GorillaWarfare> Pharos: Sent! 08:57 < Peter-C> hey foks|mobil 08:57 < GorillaWarfare> Ooh, that is indeed fancy 08:57 < foks|mobil> Gigi 08:58 < Pharos> :) 08:58 < foks|mobil> Uh, hihi* 08:58 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:58 < Qcoder02> Ironholds: Afternoon... 08:58 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:58 < foks|mobil> iPhone. Tsk. 08:58 -!- Kiewii|away [~kiewii@5e0b4681.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:59 < Pharos> my opinion on Assange is that he should change his surnanme toi DotCom 08:59 < Peter-C> tmi.org 08:59 < Peter-C> he should buy it 09:01 < Peter-C> Also: if I die, I want to be burried in the nude 09:01 < Pharos> that's not as uncommon as you think 09:02 < Peter-C> Open bar for the guys. Open casket for the ladies. 09:02 < Pharos> a party animal to the end 09:02 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:03 < Peter-C> Indeed 09:03 < Pharos> i think the most orthodox/traditional way is nude in a shroud, no casket 09:03 < Pharos> *jewish way 09:04 < Peter-C> No open bar 09:04 < LoganPhone> Hi foks|mobil. 09:06 -!- Emil [~chatzilla@ti0108a380-0189.bb.online.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:06 < Emil> Any gurus around? :> 09:07 < Pharos> i advise on spirual matters 09:07 < Pharos> *spiritual 09:07 < Emil> what about other things? 09:08 < Pharos> wthe guru's world in primarily spiritual 09:08 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:09 < Emil> I have a question about dates in Wikipedia that are before the Gregorian calendar system was implemented. If I read about e.g. Martin Luther and I find that he was born on 10 November 1483 -- is this date in the Julian system or has it been converted? 09:09 < Emil> What is Wikipedia's policy on this? 09:09 < Pharos> i if in doubt, use both 09:09 < Pharos> "Old Stlye" and "New Style" 09:10 < wctaiwan> ha. Now in addition to being read by newscasters all over the world, Pussy Riot is on the front page of Wikipedia. 09:10 < wctaiwan> Lovely. 09:10 < Pharos> as they shopuld be 09:10 < Pharos> they're goddamned heroes 09:11 < Emil> so what am I to assume about Luther? 09:11 < foks|mobil> Any excuse to hide behind NOTCENSORED. 09:11 < wctaiwan> Pharos: heroines, are they not? 09:11 < wctaiwan> foks! o/ 09:11 < foks|mobil> Emil: I don't know. 09:11 < foks|mobil> Hi! 09:11 < Qcoder02> As I said, would the Sex Pistols singing 'God Save The Queen' in Westminster Abbey get as much attention? 09:12 < Emil> but then the date is absolutely useless :/ 09:12 < mareklug> they wouldn't get 2 years of forced labor in Wales, or whatever goes for Siberia in the UK 09:13 < Pharos> gendered occupation words are deprecated! 09:13 < wctaiwan> hahahaahaha 09:13 < wctaiwan> oh god mareklug 09:13 < wctaiwan> "Wales, or whatever goes for Siberia in the UK" 09:13 < mareklug> :) 09:13 < wctaiwan> Pharos: not in the draft standard ;-) 09:13 < Pharos> no they wouldn't, UK doesn't have a Putin fortunately 09:13 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:14 < foks|mobil> Surely Scotland, mareklug. 09:14 < wctaiwan> Northern Ireland (too soon?) 09:14 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:14 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:14 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@unaffiliated/unknownfork] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:14 < Qcoder02> ?? 09:15 < Qcoder02> NI Didn't have forced labour camps 09:15 < Pharos> they're primarily a protest group, not a band 09:15 < wctaiwan> "whatever goes for Siberia in the UK" 09:15 < foks|mobil> ^ 09:16 < foks|mobil> Siberia. A cold, barely populated wasteland. 09:16 < foks|mobil> See also, Scotland. 09:16 < Pharos> your homeland! 09:16 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@203-213-93-176.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:16 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@203-213-93-176.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 09:16 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:16 < foks|mobil> Indeed. 09:16 < Soapy> Siberia probably has more sunlight than Scotland 09:16 < mareklug> full of flies in the summer. surely not Scotland 09:16 < Pharos> there are colder places than scotland, though 09:16 < wctaiwan> foks|mobil: what's the best They Might Be Giants song? 09:16 < foks|mobil> Yeah, plenty flies in our summers. 09:16 < Pharos> i think a very large % of the US is colder 09:17 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: I have never in my life heard anything by that band. 09:17 < Soapy> Particle Man 09:17 < foks|mobil> Pharos: Maybe. 09:17 < Pharos> I bet your winters aren't any worse than NY 09:17 < foks|mobil> Meh. 09:17 < Soapy> i dont like TMBG anymore. But they do have a few good songs I still like 09:17 < wctaiwan> foks|mobil: duly noted. 09:17 < mareklug> imo Birdhouse 09:17 < wctaiwan> thanks for the rec Soapy. 09:18 < wctaiwan> and mareklug 09:18 * wctaiwan is pinging everyone >.> 09:18 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: Sorry. 09:18 < Soapy> I dont like 'em because they're so aggressive at keeping their stuff off of Youtube etc 09:18 < Pharos> can we make Pussy Riot honary chairs of Wikimedia Russia? 09:18 < Frood> TMBG? 09:18 < wctaiwan> okay, def. not my style >.> 09:18 < Emil> Pharos: does Wikipedia have a policy on this (date thing)? Or do you know where I could find out if it does? 09:18 < Pharos> yes it does 09:18 < Soapy> even though I legitimately bought their albums in the 90s, all the CDs went bad and I can't listen to the songs anymore, aside from the few that I copied to my computer back then 09:19 < Pharos> use both if there's confusion 09:19 < Pharos> see the Isaac Newton article 09:19 < mareklug> wctaiwan: http://vimeo.com/7598098 09:19 < foks|mobil> Soapy: Hmm, what genre are they? 09:19 < Emil> Pharos: yes, but what am I to do when I read an article where it is not mentioned? 09:19 < Soapy> I dont know if they fit into a genre 09:19 < Soapy> I guess mostly soft-rock music 09:19 < mareklug> indie rock with a bit of nasal cabaret 09:20 < Pharos> Emil: look it up in a reliable source, of course! then fix the article ;) 09:20 < foks|mobil> So like Death Cab. 09:20 < Soapy> most TMBG songs seem to be under 3 minutes 09:20 < Emil> oh right :) 09:20 < foks|mobil> That's good. 09:20 < mareklug> um, better than Deathcab imo 09:20 < foks|mobil> Short and sweet. 09:20 < wctaiwan> mareklug: better than Particle Man but meh. 09:20 < foks|mobil> Death Cab are awful, so that doesn't take much. 09:21 < GorillaWarfare> Brb, rebooting 09:21 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: GorillaWarfare] 09:21 < wctaiwan> I think I have 2 death cab for cutie songs or something. 09:21 -!- Riley_Huntley is now known as Riley|Gulf_Islan 09:22 < wctaiwan> I think I've been listening to too much Jonathan Coulton. But I can't stop. 09:23 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: I made the mistake of buying two of their albums because they were like twenty Danish kroner each 09:23 < mareklug> wctaiwan: well tastes vary, but if you want to do them justice, sample this: http://www.ugo.com/music/50-best-they-might-be-giants-songs 09:23 < foks|mobil> Bad move. 09:23 < wctaiwan> what's with the choice of currency? 09:24 < foks|mobil> Actually maybe I'm being harsh, Transatlanticism is a fabulous record. 09:24 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:24 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:24 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: This was in Denmark 09:24 < wctaiwan> oops >.> 09:24 < wctaiwan> oh 09:24 < foks|mobil> In uh, Nykøbing 09:24 < Soapy> oh, right 09:24 < foks|mobil> I think 09:24 < Soapy> I forgot TMBG changed gears awhile ago and started putting out children's music 09:24 < foks|mobil> Children's music is good. 09:24 -!- Emil [~chatzilla@ti0108a380-0189.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 09:25 < Pharos> why do you hate children? 09:26 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 < wctaiwan> mareklug: well we'll know if I start having earworms from the songs I've heard today in a couple of days and end up putting them on replay... 09:27 < foks|mobil> You know who I really like at the minute? 09:27 < foks|mobil> Alt-J 09:27 < mareklug> they might be giants are generally loved for being clever and having memorable melodies 09:27 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 < foks|mobil> Dey be gooooood. 09:27 < Pharos> fun fact: children's music used to be a refuge foramerican folkies on mccarthyite blacklists 09:27 < wctaiwan> foks|mobil: rec? 09:28 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: Rec?? 09:28 < Pharos> Rec??? 09:28 < wctaiwan> er, sorry 09:28 < foks|mobil> ????????? 09:28 < wctaiwan> recommendation 09:28 < foks|mobil> Oh. 09:28 < Pharos> ??????????????????????????? 09:28 < wctaiwan> I shall stop being lazy. 09:28 < foks|mobil> "Tessellated" 09:28 * wctaiwan acts all determined 09:28 < wctaiwan> spelling words out! 09:28 < foks|mobil> Um, without the d 09:28 < foks|mobil> Or Fitzpleasure. 09:29 < foks|mobil> I think they're an album band unfortunately. And *definitely* an acquired taste. 09:29 < wctaiwan> eeh, meh. 09:29 < wctaiwan> yeah :P 09:29 < foks|mobil> They're easily to dislike. 09:29 < foks|mobil> Guy's voice is... Unusual. 09:30 < foks|mobil> I want to try and listen to more Jessie Ware. 09:30 < foks|mobil> And more Django Django. 09:30 < foks|mobil> :) 09:30 < mareklug> her album is about out 09:30 < wctaiwan> the only Django I know is the web framework. 09:31 < foks|mobil> It is. 09:31 < foks|mobil> [[Django Django]] 09:31 < foks|mobil> Psychedelic folktronica 09:31 < foks|mobil> (read: batfuck insane) 09:32 < Pharos> no Rheinhardt? 09:32 < Pharos> isn't he the original? 09:32 < foks|mobil> That's who theyre named after 09:32 < foks|mobil> Fact 09:32 < wctaiwan> batf--- insane indeed. I'd hate to get that stuck in my head. 09:33 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:33 < foks|mobil> I often do. 09:35 < foks|mobil> I like Gold Panda as well, he's pretty rad 09:35 < foks|mobil> And some of Odd Future's stuff is too 09:35 -!- Kiewii|away is now known as Kiewii 09:36 < foks|mobil> God, the battery life on this thing is truly dreadful 09:36 < foks|mobil> 3G just kills it 09:36 < wctaiwan> gah rap. 09:36 < wctaiwan> what's the device? 09:37 * Peter-C licks people 09:37 < foks|mobil> Well, hiphop... 09:37 < foks|mobil> Uh, iPhone. 09:37 < wctaiwan> meh 09:37 * foks|mobil hides from a channel likely full of droiders. 09:37 < wctaiwan> I like the iPhone, but I bought a GN because it's just much cheaper. 09:37 < wctaiwan> you're so hipster, though >.> 09:38 < mareklug> nonsense. they know their os is just a malware habitat 09:38 -!- LoganPhone [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39 -!- LoganPhone [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:39 -!- LoganPhone [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39 < mysterytrey> So, Credo, questia and highbeam. They all good? 09:39 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: I am? 09:40 < foks|mobil> mysterytrey: Why not find out. 09:40 -!- StevenW [~textual@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:40 < foks|mobil> :3 09:40 < mysterytrey> Apply to all 3? 09:40 < mysterytrey> That would mean actual work. 09:40 < foks|mobil> Why not? ...oh 09:40 < wctaiwan> foks|mobil: only if you don't resent such a characterisation. You do seem to listen to indie music more than the average person though. 09:40 < wctaiwan> but I suppose music writers do that. 09:41 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: I don't mind being labelled as one. 09:41 < mareklug> if you balance it with enough pop, you're safe 09:41 < foks|mobil> I do. 09:41 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 09:41 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: Music is as far as my hipsterdom goes. 09:42 < wctaiwan> Wikipedia's pretty hipster :p 09:42 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:42 < foks|mobil> Oh! Go listen to Sleepingdog! 09:42 < mareklug> anonymous would be even more. i hear rumor has it they want to hijack Curiosity 09:43 < foks|mobil> "He Liked To See the World Through His Camera" 09:43 < foks|mobil> Gogogogo 09:43 < foks|mobil> I mean, I also really like bloc party and snow patrol 09:43 < foks|mobil> So it's not all the indie staff 09:45 < wctaiwan> foks|mobil: sleepingdog sounds far less provocative than your other suggestions. 09:45 < foks|mobil> Also listen to Little Scream and Daughter, both are ace. 09:45 < wctaiwan> a good thing in my book. 09:45 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@5e0b4681.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:45 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:45 < foks|mobil> "The Heron and the Fox" and "Youth" respectively. 09:45 < foks|mobil> wctaiwan: Heh. Thanks, I suppose. 09:46 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:47 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:47 -!- LoganPhone [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:48 -!- LoganPhone [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Client Quit] 09:48 < foks|mobil> I need to get going. Bye! 09:49 < wctaiwan> see you 09:49 < mysterytrey> Later. 09:49 < wctaiwan> thanks for the last three. 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10:30 < VeenaBalik> you pay? 10:30 < mareklug> wow, prostitution on irc 10:31 < Pharos> all things are possible on irc 10:31 < VeenaBalik> Pharos I miss u 10:32 < VeenaBalik> you pay good 10:32 -!- equity_ [equity@204.176.194.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:32 < Pharos> true 10:32 -!- BigRig [~zephyr@50-79-238-214-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #wikipedia-en ["Silentium est aureum"] 10:33 < VeenaBalik> last time i show you was 2009 10:33 < Pharos> i gave $2 to Shakespeare in the Park(iing) Lot last night 10:34 < VeenaBalik> Pharos u pay 200 to me ? 10:34 < Pharos> do you perform shakespeare in a parking lot? 10:35 < VeenaBalik> what shakespeare 10:35 < VeenaBalik> i show hot skype 10:36 < Pharos> sorry, then 10:36 < VeenaBalik> u pay good in 2009 10:37 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Northern Ireland did have detention without trial. 10:39 -!- NuclearWarfare [~NuclearWa@pool-108-20-138-205.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:39 -!- NuclearWarfare [~NuclearWa@pool-108-20-138-205.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:39 -!- NuclearWarfare [~NuclearWa@wikipedia/NuclearWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:39 < Pharos> \yes it did 10:39 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:39 < VeenaBalik> Hot skype show VeenaSitara 10:39 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:39 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:40 < Pharos> you should try an irc channel with more idiots 10:40 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 < Pharos> we have some slightly idiotic people, but notnearly enough to be profitable 10:41 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 < mysterytrey> Pharos: #Wikipedia-en would be the place to try then. 10:41 < VeenaBalik> i find customer he pay 50 10:42 < Pharos> you'd have better luck in #politics 10:42 -!- TAP [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:42 < Pharos> *much* better luck 10:42 < mareklug> VeenaBalik: troop why you talk funny 10:42 < mareklug> troll 10:42 < mysterytrey> or #Reddit 10:42 < VeenaBalik> kia 10:42 < Pharos> go reddit! 10:43 < VeenaBalik> mareklug you gay 10:43 < VeenaBalik> ? 10:43 < Pharos> because she also has 10 inch penis, you know 10:43 < Pharos> caters to all markets! 10:43 < VeenaBalik> kia? 10:44 < VeenaBalik> I girl 10:44 < Pharos> this is getting tiresome 10:44 < Pharos> !op 10:44 < Barras> ? 10:44 < Fluffernutter> ? 10:44 < mysterytrey> Wait, does 4chan have a channel on freenode? Because, technically, I guess, 4chan is peer directed. 10:44 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Fluffernutter] by ChanServ 10:44 -!- VeenaBalik [b6b2791c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.121.28] has left #wikipedia-en [requested by Fluffernutter (VeenaBalik)] 10:44 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o+b Fluffernutter *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.121.28] by Fluffernutter 10:45 < Pharos> i've been solicited enough foir tiday 10:45 < Ironholds> yay bannination! 10:45 -!- equity [equity@204.176.194.17] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:45 < Ironholds> one of our people is writing a HR glossary 10:45 < Ironholds> I had to explain the definition of "cluebat" 10:45 < Ironholds> it was an amusing evening 10:47 < closedmouth> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No_Love_Deep_Web&action=history 10:47 -!- Biberkopf [Biberkopf@c-71-237-2-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:48 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 10:49 < mysterytrey> 117.216.153.52 posted feedback to Natural disaster7 hours ago | Details 10:49 < mysterytrey> wikipedia iz d bst everrrrrrrrrrr....................... 10:50 -!- equity [equity@204.176.194.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52 -!- Maryana_ [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:53 < Soapy> I dont really understand how Arbcom works 10:53 < Demiurge1000> Possibly the answer is that... it doesn't :) 10:53 < Soapy> some declined "cases" seem to jsut disappear, not even be archived 10:53 < Soapy> is that on purpose? 10:54 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:54 < Demiurge1000> Oh, hmm, hadn't noticed that. I assume they're in the history of the page, though? 10:54 < Soapy> yeah, i guess so 10:55 < Soapy> they keep a log of the declines, but no actual archive 10:55 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Declined_requests 10:55 -!- eiix [~beanie@89.25.25.11] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:55 -!- eiix [~beanie@89.25.25.11] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:55 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:56 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Quit: mareklug] 10:57 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:59 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@cpc1-cdif6-0-0-cust25.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:00 < Biberkopf> y'all ever watch YouTube? 11:00 < Biberkopf> :) 11:00 < Demiurge1000> yes 11:00 < Seddon> no what is this tube of you that you speak of 11:01 < closedmouth> :) 11:01 < Biberkopf> it's like America's Funniest Home Videos bud without Bob Saget. 11:01 < Qcoder02> And with 120% more porn 11:01 < Qcoder02> :( 11:02 -!- Delta|away [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:02 < Biberkopf> y'all, why doesn't Wikipedia have a YouTube channel? 11:03 < Frood> why would it? 11:03 < Biberkopf> why wouldn't it? 11:03 < Pharos> we should have a vimeo channel insytead! 11:04 < Pharos> we're too hipser for youtube 11:04 < mareklug> Biberkopf: what would you like to see on such a channel? 11:04 < closedmouth> http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaFoundation 11:04 < Qcoder02> Biberkopf: We have Commons :) 11:05 < Biberkopf> closedmouth, thanks 11:05 < Soapy> i was gonna link that 11:06 < Biberkopf> markelug, I'd like to see science non-fiction reality shows... astronauts dating and kissing and fighting on the space station. That sort of thing 11:06 < Biberkopf> Is that too much to ask of Wikipedia? 11:06 < Pharos> we already have such a poroject in development 11:06 -!- JasonDC|BNC is now known as JasonDC 11:06 < Pharos> it's part of the strategic plan! 11:07 -!- JasonDC [~Jason-Fre@ec2-107-20-219-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Changing host] 11:07 -!- JasonDC [~Jason-Fre@wikipedia/Piandcompany] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:07 < Biberkopf> oh thank gooodness 11:07 -!- TAP is now known as thineantiquepen 11:08 < Soapy> hi pen 11:08 < Qcoder02> Pharos:? 11:08 -!- Delta|away is now known as Betacommand 11:08 < Qcoder02> Wikitube? 11:08 < Qcoder02> Wiki.tv ? 11:09 < Qcoder02> Seriously? 11:09 < Pharos> don't worry, Qcoder, it'll all be BB-BY_SA 4.0 11:09 < Biberkopf> Okay, I've watched some of the Wikimedia Foundation channel videos... Now I wish they DIDN'T have a channel on YouTube. 11:09 < Pharos> *CC 11:09 < mysterytrey> I just realized that I have a right to edit wikipedia. "and the pursuit of happiness" 11:09 < Qcoder02> BB? 11:09 < Qcoder02> B**y Brilliant Licence? 11:10 -!- NuclearWarfare [~NuclearWa@wikipedia/NuclearWarfare] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10 < Qcoder02> Pharos: I'm more worried about ensuring people don't do what they do with flikr and 'wash' stuff they post :( 11:11 < Pharos> we have only the highest standards at wikitube! 11:11 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:11 < mysterytrey> Did the wikimania 2012 stuff ever get posted? 11:11 < Biberkopf> I'm going to pitch my astronaut reality show pilot to the Wikitube executives 11:12 < Pharos> and we even have slightly less sexist/racist commentators than youtube 11:12 < Soapy> slightly 11:14 < Pharos> mysterytrey: they're working on it 11:14 < Pharos> it is a priority for them, i know 11:15 < mysterytrey> They're working on it? Rather vague. What stage of 'working on it' are they at? 11:15 < Pharos> public access televsion is like wikitube 11:15 * Soapy slaps Reaper_Eternal with a catfish 11:16 < Pharos> at an advanced and climactic stage 11:16 < Frood> Should I buy a SSD? 11:16 < mysterytrey> SSD? 11:16 < Pharos> you should buy a pizza 11:16 < Frood> solid state drive 11:16 -!- ikonia [~irc@unaffiliated/ikonia] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16 < Pharos> it's a purchase you're unlikely to regret 11:16 -!- StevenW [~textual@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:17 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Am I allowed to pitch ideas to Wikitube? 11:17 < mareklug> Frood: you were just complaining that you had no money and your hd is failing 11:17 < Qcoder02> Assuming they are simmilar to PBS/Discovery channel stuff? 11:17 < Frood> mareklug: well, I guess it's not really failing 11:17 < Pharos> of course qcoder, this is why god invented meta.wikimedia.org 11:17 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:17 < Frood> it's just incredibly slow to boot 11:17 < Qcoder02> Back in 2007 I tried to get Wikicast going 11:17 < Qcoder02> which would have been radio 11:18 < Frood> I think a 64GB would work, they're ~$50 11:18 < Qcoder02> So if Wikitube starts to develop XD 11:18 < Qcoder02> That said, I'm not sure there are enough people to produce vido 11:18 < Qcoder02> *video 11:18 < Qcoder02> Audio production is easier 11:18 < Qcoder02> (IF you know what to do) 11:18 < Pharos> i would think so too 11:19 < Pharos> there have been almost a doxen proposals like this over the reals 11:19 < Biberkopf> for a wikitube? 11:19 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:19 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:19 < Pharos> what i really want is a wikimedia radio pulp adventure series! 11:19 -!- StevenW [~textual@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:20 < Biberkopf> that could be funny 11:20 < Pharos> proposals for wikitubes or wikicasts 11:20 < mysterytrey> How about Wikimedia creates an encyclopedia! 11:21 < Pharos> too far-fetched 11:21 < Biberkopf> too complicated 11:21 < Pharos> Wikimediapedia? 11:21 -!- ikonia [~irc@unaffiliated/ikonia] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:21 < Biberkopf> it's got a ring to it 11:21 < Pharos> hardky roills off the tongue 11:21 < mysterytrey> The human centiwikipedia? 11:22 < Pharos> better... 11:22 < Biberkopf> yeah 11:22 < Biberkopf> it's more accurate, really 11:22 < Biberkopf> who's the head of the centipede in that circumstance? 11:22 < mysterytrey> Yeah, with all of out full-blown copy-paste orgies. 11:22 < mysterytrey> **our 11:23 < JasonDC> Any admin want to stop this edit war and possible sockpuppet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Tran 11:25 < Pharos> we could have a hero who fights crime with the power of encyclopedias! 11:25 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:25 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 11:25 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:25 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [SeaMonkey 2.11/20120715041107]] 11:26 < mysterytrey> "Since this page has been posted, time travel has to have been invented" 11:26 < mysterytrey> Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11:26 * mysterytrey runs outside and screams "It worked!" 11:29 -!- Biberkopf [Biberkopf@c-71-237-2-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 11:31 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.158.146.79] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:31 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.158.146.79] has quit [Changing host] 11:31 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:31 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@177.158.101.8] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:32 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@177.158.101.8] has quit [Changing host] 11:32 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:32 < Frood> JasonDC: I opened an SPI 11:33 < JasonDC> Frood, thanks, wanted someone else to look over the page and such 11:33 < Mdann52> I hate SPI's 11:35 -!- lucasoutloud [62ac704d@wikipedia/lucasoutloud] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:35 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:39 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Not that the general populace would understand it, but I am sure someone would appreicate a 'Wiki Scout' magical girl ;) 11:40 < Qcoder02> " Oh no the evil Tardian combine is trying to brainwash the populace with junk science... Wiki team Assemble!" XD 11:41 < Pharos> i am going to apply for a WMF fellowship to write this! 11:41 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Do you read TV Tropes? 11:41 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 < Pharos> occasionaly 11:42 < lucasoutloud> I actually use TV Tropes to find new books that I think I'll like 11:42 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.41.0.40] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:42 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.41.0.40] has quit [Changing host] 11:42 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:42 < Qcoder02> Actually you might want to ask the jp wikipedia if you want to write 'Wiki Scout' adventures ... ;) 11:42 < Qcoder02> They proably know the various cliches better than most :) 11:43 < Pharos> i'm thinking more nyc 1930s than tokyo 2010s 11:43 * Qcoder02 cues up an organ... 11:44 < Qcoder02> " Deep in the heart of the city, there is but one alone that keeps the heart of men in full knwoeldge, he is ... The Contributor..." 11:44 < Qcoder02> Sorry 11:44 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:44 < Qcoder02> Been listening to the Red Panda ;) 11:45 < Mdann52> ........ 11:45 -!- lucasoutloud [62ac704d@wikipedia/lucasoutloud] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:45 < Mdann52> Ok........ 11:46 < Pharos> i think Red Panda is brilliant 11:46 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:46 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has left #wikipedia-en [] 11:48 < Pharos> i was of fan orf The Shadow first, tho ;) 11:48 -!- Beria_Lima [~Beria@177.158.146.79] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:48 -!- Beria_Lima [~Beria@177.158.146.79] has quit [Changing host] 11:48 -!- Beria_Lima [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:49 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:50 -!- Mdann52 is now known as Mdann52-away 11:50 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@78.154.102.82] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:50 < Pharos> the REd Panda writer is very good 11:50 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:51 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:51 < Pharos> Hollywood should pick him up if they ever do a decent Shasdow movie 11:52 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:52 < Qcoder02> Black Jack Justice is quite good as well... 11:52 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:52 < Qcoder02> Comparing it some Nick Carter episodes 11:52 < Pharos> well, it's the same writer ;) 11:53 < mareklug> can we remove this redirect? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_Panda&redirect=no the band should have its own article soon. 11:53 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@78.154.102.82] has quit [Client Quit] 11:53 < Pharos> the mammal is of primary importance 11:54 < Pharos> i say this as a fan of the podcast with that name 11:54 < mareklug> it's under [[Red panda]] for christs sake 11:54 -!- Mdann52-away is now known as mdann52 11:55 < Pharos> it's a lot more important than the band, whatever band that might be 11:55 < mareklug> capitalization matters 11:55 < Pharos> "Re Panda" more often means the mammal than the band 11:55 < mareklug> look at articles about books, movies 11:56 < Pharos> and probably means the podcast more than the band, too! 11:56 < Pharos> [[Rede Pand (band)]] 11:56 < Pharos> whatever... 11:57 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:57 < Soapy> yeah it's probably best to leave [[Red Panda]] as a redirect forever 11:58 < Soapy> many people spell the names of animals with initial caps on every word 11:58 < foks> mareklug, what band? 11:58 < Soapy> as if theyre Somehow More Important than us mere humans 11:59 < Pharos> *Humans 11:59 < Pharos> take pride in your species 12:00 -!- GeorgeWatson [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:00 -!- GeorgeWatson [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:00 -!- GeorgeWatson [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:00 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.158.146.79] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:00 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.158.146.79] has quit [Changing host] 12:00 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:00 < Pharos> Human Pride! Down with the Bots! 12:00 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01 * Pharos declares Butlerian Jihad 12:01 -!- Trenton is now known as Brooklyn 12:01 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has quit [Quit: travel] 12:01 * Brooklyn grumbles about the BMT Broadway Line 12:02 < Pharos> that's my favorite line! 12:02 < Pharos> how dare you 12:03 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:03 < Brooklyn> :P 12:03 < Pharos> are you in town? 12:03 -!- Beria_Lima [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:03 < Brooklyn> I'll be in Brooklyn t'morrow 12:03 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|gone 12:03 < mareklug> Pharos: i believe this is about your podcast? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Panda_Adventures if so, you're being sloppy about article naming. 12:03 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04 < Pharos> the tiitle character is the 'Red Panda' 12:04 < mareklug> i think a fictional character in a barely notable if that podcast is not exactly a conflict 12:05 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:05 < Pharos> and how many platinum records does the band have? 12:06 < Brooklyn> mainly to take photos @ the Brooklyn Botanic Garden; I'll be @ BAM too 12:06 -!- ragesoss [~sage@wikimedia/ragesoss] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:06 < Brooklyn> probably to upload @ wmcommons 12:07 < Pharos> if you wait till next month to upload, you might get to WLM compete 12:08 -!- Bsadowski1 [~dabtd@wikipedia/Bsadowski1] has quit [Quit: Restarting due to updates] 12:09 -!- MCWizard111 [~bwoofende@c-98-250-67-68.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:11 -!- PonyToast [ThePonyToa@celestiaradio/RDisBestPony/PonyToast] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:11 -!- MCWizard111 [~bwoofende@c-98-250-67-68.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:12 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:12 -!- Maryana_ [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana_] 12:13 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 12:14 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@cpc1-cdif6-0-0-cust25.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16 -!- Kiewii is now known as Dundee 12:16 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17 -!- Dundee [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Quit: I'm out] 12:17 < Qcoder02> Red Panda Adventures isn't so much a podcast as an Audio drama ... 12:18 * Qcoder02 waits for someone to suggest Look Around you style videos for Chemistry Articles ;) 12:18 < Pharos> imo, it's the leading audio drama in north america 12:19 -!- Brooklyn [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:19 < foks> What the hell is an audio drama 12:19 < Qcoder02> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqYUVit3gj4 - If anyone want's an example of what I mean by 'Look Around you' :) 12:19 < foks> like, the Archers? 12:19 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:19 < Qcoder02> foks: More like old time series like the Shadow 12:19 -!- Trenton is now known as Brooklyn 12:19 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:19 < Pharos> the format is kind of dead in north america 12:20 < Pharos> so we have stuff on the interwebs 12:20 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:20 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:20 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:20 -!- Kiewii [kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:21 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:21 < Pharos> ie radi plays 12:21 < Pharos> *radio plays 12:22 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 12:22 -!- Frood_ is now known as Frood 12:23 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 12:23 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:24 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:24 -!- shimgray [~andrew@host86-170-175-104.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:25 -!- shimgray [~andrew@host86-170-175-104.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:25 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:26 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Does anyone do serious talk radio in the US now? 12:26 -!- rr0 [kvirc@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:26 < Qcoder02> Apart from NPR (which Romeny/ryan want to cut fudning for :( ) 12:27 < Guerillero> no 12:27 < Guerillero> its just neo-con shit 12:27 < Pharos> well, there are many forms of public radio in the US 12:27 < mareklug> there is Public Radio International. NPR is only one source of programming 12:28 < Pharos> NPR is just one group that puts out some programs 12:28 < Qcoder02> Guerillero: Or 'Chem-trail/Shadow Govt / NWO' crazies? 12:28 < Soapy> NPR is liberal 12:28 < Soapy> hence no surprise the Republicans want it gone 12:28 < Brooklyn> someone stole my freenode password :( 12:28 < mdann52> :) 12:29 < Pharos> there's left-of-center commercial radio too a bit, but i doiubt it's any good 12:29 < Pharos> NPR is informative 12:29 < Pharos> tv news is just garbage nowadays 12:29 < Pharos> not just the cable talkingheads 12:29 -!- Numberwang [~Numberwan@d83-183-130-49.cust.tele2.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:30 < Guerillero> out west the conservatives love NPR 12:30 < Soapy> it's Numberwang !! 12:30 < Guerillero> like in Wyoming 12:30 < Numberwang> Let's rotate the board! ;) 12:30 < Guerillero> I love that show 12:30 < Pharos> it's the only news source in places like Wyoming 12:30 < Pharos> it provides good service to rural areas 12:31 < Soapy> you mean, because parts of Wyoming dont even have local TV stations? 12:31 < Pharos> yes 12:31 -!- Brooklyn [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 12:31 < Soapy> i think the rest of country is headed that way before too long 12:31 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:31 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:31 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:32 < Pharos> i can't watch local broadcast news in nyc without neeling nauseated 12:33 < Pharos> and this is the largest market in the country! 12:33 -!- tanner__ [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:33 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 12:34 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34 < Pharos> "if it bleeds, it leads" 12:34 -!- Punktmannen [irc2gowebc@c83-248-227-131.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:34 -!- tanner__ is now known as Frood 12:34 < Punktmannen> Jesus Christ the Lord Lord, Kings King, Gods God, you have auktoritet in heaven and earth, in your bloods name, in your Lords name, in your holy name, i leave to you everything, show your power, oh lord, everybody is Heterosexuall ;) 12:34 < Frood> I fucking hate my ISP. 12:34 < Punktmannen> English Army Comon ;) 12:34 < Punktmannen> HEADS UP 12:34 -!- Punktmannen [irc2gowebc@c83-248-227-131.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 12:34 < Qcoder02> Fluffernutter? 12:35 < BlastHardcheese> wat 12:35 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:36 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36 -!- mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36 -!- Bsadowski1 [~dabtd@wikipedia/Bsadowski1] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:36 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:38 < Pharos> we have a local cable channel that's half-decent 12:38 < mareklug> Qcoder02: http://navigator.cision.com/Top_10_Talk_Radio_Stations_in_the_U.S.aspx <-- with links to their websites. they all have internet streams, so you can hear for yourself. note that they are mostly AM stations on clear channels in big cities. 12:38 < Pharos> NY1 12:38 < Pharos> at least it has some local politics 12:39 -!- mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:39 -!- mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 12:39 -!- mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:39 < Pharos> that list is faulty 12:40 < PonyToast> It has been...YEARS since I came into this channel... 12:40 < Pharos> it should include WNYC 12:40 < PonyToast> it's been a long time ;_; 12:40 < foks> That's the first time anyone has come here, preached Christianity, and fucked off 12:40 < Pharos> which is mostly the same programming split onto two frequencies 12:40 -!- NuclearWarfare [~NuclearWa@wikipedia/NuclearWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:40 < foks> PonyToast, welcome back. 12:40 < foks> It's not too late to escape! 12:40 < foks> D: 12:41 -!- mdann52 is now known as Mdann 12:41 < mareklug> Pharos: it is not faulty. it is the top rated stations. 12:41 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:41 < PonyToast> foks: thanks. Back then I was PHDrillSergeant 12:42 < PonyToast> then there was ponies. /sigh 12:42 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:42 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:42 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:42 < Pharos> WNYC-AM and WNYC-FM should be combined, i mean 12:43 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:43 < Pharos> during peak hours, they have the same programming 12:44 < harej> Pharos describes CNN 12:45 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-174-111-088-120.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45 < Frood> can somebody please, please make Mediacom die? 12:45 < harej> Only if we can make CNN die / appoint me its president first 12:46 < harej> Frood, your senator tweeted at himself earlier 12:46 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:46 < Frood> harej: Oh? 12:47 < harej> Drat, he deleted it. He just wrote a tweet that said "@ChuckGrassley". 12:47 < Frood> I just saw it. 12:49 -!- Numberwang [~Numberwan@d83-183-130-49.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:49 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:50 -!- NuclearWarfare [~NuclearWa@wikipedia/NuclearWarfare] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.26/20120128224517]] 12:51 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:53 -!- StevenW [~textual@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:53 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53 -!- Mdann is now known as Mdann52 12:54 -!- Kiewii is now known as Dundee 12:56 -!- Gnumarcoo [~Marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:57 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:57 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.164] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:57 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.164] has quit [Changing host] 12:57 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:58 -!- Biberkopf [Biberkopf@c-71-237-2-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:59 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:00 -!- Learn_bot [~Learn_bot@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: reconnecting] 13:03 -!- Edenkips [~lol@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:03 < Edenkips> uhm 13:03 -!- Edenkips [~lol@h184.179.191.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:04 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:04 < harej> hello, my mononymous maryana 13:05 < Mdann52> Hi 13:06 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:07 -!- guillom is now known as basile 13:07 -!- Kenneaal [~Absolver@85-89-17.141.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:08 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:09 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: Later!] 13:09 -!- Absolver_ [~Absolver@85-89-17.141.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-174-111-088-120.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:10 -!- musikanimal [~aziemba@38.117.157.174] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:10 -!- musikanimal [~aziemba@38.117.157.174] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:13 -!- Mathonius [~mathonius@wikipedia/Mathonius] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:13 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:14 -!- musikanimal [~aziemba@38.117.157.174] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:14 < musikanimal> ping DeltaQuad 13:15 -!- RudyValencia- [me@unaffiliated/rudyvalencia] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:15 < mysterytrey> Now I want Dairy Queen. 13:15 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: I've just disappeared in a puff of smoke] 13:16 -!- musikanimal_ [26759dae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.117.157.174] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:17 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-252-51-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:17 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@c-98-252-51-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:17 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:17 -!- musikanimal_ [26759dae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.117.157.174] has quit [Client Quit] 13:17 -!- musikanimal [~aziemba@38.117.157.174] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:19 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 13:19 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.162] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:20 < greenrosetta> Hello 13:22 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:22 < suicidalzerg> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/08/17/1841238/cables-show-us-seeks-assange 13:22 < suicidalzerg> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png 13:23 < Qcoder02> suicidalzerg: Ouch 13:23 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:23 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:23 < foks> slashdot is pants 13:24 < greenrosetta> somoene is having a ta-hizzy on my talk page 13:25 < mysterytrey> ta-hizzy? 13:25 < greenrosetta> the funny party is they don't realize they are shouting in a hat 13:25 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:25 < mysterytrey> tizzy fit? 13:25 < greenrosetta> mysterytrey: its the urban version 13:25 < greenrosetta> more like "on no he didn" 13:26 < mysterytrey> Talk pages are stupid. They are for human interaction. 13:26 < greenrosetta> yeah, good thing is isnt for monkeys 13:26 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26 < greenrosetta> or else they would be flinging feces 13:26 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:27 < mysterytrey> That's nice. 13:27 < mysterytrey> I was eating. 13:27 < mysterytrey> Mac & cheese. 13:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Not safe for restaurants? (NSFR) 13:27 < greenrosetta> what brand? 13:27 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-78-146-2-120.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:27 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-78-146-2-120.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:27 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:28 -!- KimiSleep [~Kimihaha@bzq-82-81-206-240.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:28 < Tony_Sidaway> WHat is the mac in Mac & Cheese? This item of Americana is not well known in these cold, wet islands. 13:28 < mysterytrey> Macaroni, probably. 13:28 < geniice> macaroni cheese 13:28 < mysterytrey> greenrosetta: Kraft 13:29 < greenrosetta> thats some good shit 13:29 < greenrosetta> the orange powdered stuff, right? 13:29 -!- Sarrus [~Sarrus@wikipedia/Sarrus] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 13:29 < mysterytrey> What cold wet island are you on/ 13:29 < greenrosetta> with a quarter stick of butter 13:29 < mysterytrey> greenrosetta: Of course. 13:29 < greenrosetta> 3,000 calories a box 13:29 < greenrosetta> hoover it 13:29 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm on Airstrip One at the moment. 13:29 -!- StevenW [~textual@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:30 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:30 < Tony_Sidaway> Has my question been answered? It's quite possible I didn't understand the answer. I'll look it up on some online encyclopedia or other. 13:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, it really _is_ macaroni cheese. 13:32 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: we have a decent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaroni_and_cheese 13:32 < Tony_Sidaway> So it's been popularised by Kraft who turned it into a meal for one. 13:32 < Soapy> what else could it be ??? 13:33 < Soapy> do people not commonly eat Macaroni and Cheese outside the USA? 13:33 < Tony_Sidaway> That hideous rubbish that passes for cheese in America, though. 13:33 < mysterytrey> Yes. 13:34 < Soapy> i just assumed it was Italian 13:34 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: you're welcome to use any cheese you like in your own making. there are tons of receipes 13:34 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: it's not that popular. I'd eat lasagne, which in its vegetarian formulation in particular often is a cheese dish. But a month of sabbaths might pass without my thoughts turning to macaroni. 13:35 < greenrosetta> Tony_Sidaway: No idea what you are talking about. Merica makes some awesome cheeses 13:35 < Tony_Sidaway> greenrosetta: happy to hear of it. 13:35 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@68.238.50.57] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:35 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@68.238.50.57] has quit [Changing host] 13:35 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:36 < Tony_Sidaway> As an Englishman my perspective on American cheese may be rather more jaundiced. 13:36 < greenrosetta> Tony_Sidaway: The state of Wisconsin would like a word with you 13:36 < Biberkopf> Tony_Sidaway: and how is your perspective on food in general? 13:36 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: same goes for beer and chocolate. the idea that we don't is continental propaganda 13:36 < greenrosetta> oh, you are referrng to the unfortuantely named product "American cheese"? 13:36 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has quit [] 13:36 < geniice> mareklug err the french have slightly odd standards with regards to cheese 13:36 < Tony_Sidaway> greenrosetta: oh, marketing. 13:37 < greenrosetta> no, there is a product called American cheese 13:37 < mareklug> geniice: you obviously have no clue what cheese is made in the US by small makers 13:37 < greenrosetta> its like Velveeta 13:37 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not French, actually, but I'll fight to the death anybody who assaults French cheese. This is a nation of great cheese. 13:37 < geniice> mareklug are they clinically insane about cheese 13:38 -!- Numberwang [~Numberwan@d83-183-130-49.cust.tele2.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:38 -!- Ibgumel [~ibgumel@41.190.2.38] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:38 < mareklug> geniice: French do not have a monopoly on Cheese! it is made worldwide in a variety of traditions 13:38 < greenrosetta> Now beer, I'll challenge any beer in the world with a Fat Tire 13:38 < Biberkopf> thank you, markelug! 13:38 < geniice> incidentally who else is having fun watching the Muslims lie about moon sightings? 13:39 < greenrosetta> huh? 13:39 < greenrosetta> why would they lie about it? 13:39 < Biberkopf> Cheese isn't that great, anyways 13:40 < geniice> greenrosetta you can't end Ramadan before someone has seen it but it is impossible to see it in most of the islamic world 13:40 < greenrosetta> oh 13:40 < Biberkopf> ohhh 13:40 < mareklug> Biberkopf: aged cheese can be awesome 13:40 < greenrosetta> hehehehe 13:40 < Biberkopf> that's interesting 13:40 < geniice> upshot is that someone in saudi arabia will probably lie and claim they saw it 13:40 < Tony_Sidaway> It okay saying "hey this microbrewery in Buttfuck, Oklahoma makes 16 gallons a month of the best beer ever made." But English beer is rather difficult to beat. 13:40 < greenrosetta> I hope its cloudy there :D 13:40 < Biberkopf> mareklug: I agree... I'm just being argumentative 13:41 < geniice> greenrosetta for example this is impossible http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-63811-Shawwal-moon-sighted-in-NWA:-reports 13:41 < Biberkopf> Tony_Sidaway: what type of beer are you talking about when you say English beer? 13:41 < geniice> Doom bar 13:42 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: personally I am a customer of Czech and Canadian brews, but then I am not a fanatic 13:42 < Tony_Sidaway> I've tasted some lovely American beer in the beer festivals held nationally in the UK. And in 2010 the Vuvuzela beer brewed by a South African to celebrate the Football World Cup was stunningly good. 13:42 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_Bar#Doom_Bar_bitter 13:42 < greenrosetta> Sam Adams produces 2,500,000 barrels a year Tony_Sidaway 13:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Biberkopf: I'm talking about beer brewed in England to traditional formulae, primarily bitter, mild, porter and stout. 13:43 -!- Numberwang [~Numberwan@d83-183-130-49.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43 < Tony_Sidaway> But also including IPAs and whatnot. 13:43 < Biberkopf> sounds tasty 13:43 < Tony_Sidaway> greenrosetta: yes, but it's Sam Adams. 13:43 < Biberkopf> what's the spiel on live beers? 13:43 < greenrosetta> i thought bitter was pale ale 13:44 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: you should be able to find this one in London http://www.worldbeerawards.com/beer/samuel_adams_double_bock-4781.html 13:44 < greenrosetta> sam adams is just as good as most european beers 13:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug so you like brews that originate from a country thatr starts with a C? 13:44 < Tony_Sidaway> greenrosetta: not arguing with you on that. 13:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why not try China? 13:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> new brand is lead flavoured :) 13:45 < greenrosetta> heh 13:45 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko: i might have had one or twoi n a Chineswe restaurant 13:45 < greenrosetta> whats that heinken knockff, grhols? 13:45 < greenrosetta> used to love that shit 13:45 < Tony_Sidaway> As I remarked earlier, American and SOuth African beers are among my favourite recent tastings. 13:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug oh really? 13:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> liked? 13:46 < mareklug> it was ok, went with the food 13:46 < Biberkopf> oh beer... 13:46 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle 13:46 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:46 < greenrosetta> cant believe it.. this jagoff is still posting in a hatted section. 13:47 < Biberkopf> Tony_Sidaway: is there much of a home brewing movement over there? 13:47 < Biberkopf> it's pretty popular these days, in 'Mer'ca 13:48 < greenrosetta> home brewing is dead to me 13:48 -!- Ibgumel [~ibgumel@41.190.2.38] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48 < greenrosetta> only reason to do it is to get away from the family for a few hours 13:48 < geniice> Biberkopf home brewing is something my grandparents do 13:48 < Frood> "Wikipedia: Dedicated to the theory that fact and truth can be determined by consensus, regardless the qualifications or integrity of those involved." 13:48 -!- Brooklyn [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:49 < greenrosetta> Frood: or those who hold onto a bone like a dog 13:49 < TeeTylerToe> I wonder if the UN is going to monitor the US presidential elections again. Maybe check out how republican voter picture ID laws effect minorities. 13:49 < Biberkopf> greenrosetta, your grandparents must be pretty neat 13:49 < greenrosetta> not mine 13:49 < Brooklyn> http://i.imgur.com/3dWcN.png 13:49 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: The US has to have election monitors? 13:49 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:49 < Biberkopf> or drunk 13:49 < greenrosetta> my granny made moonshine 13:49 < Qcoder02> But the US elections are supposed to be 'Free and Fair' ;) 13:49 < greenrosetta> i dont know if the courts require it 13:49 < Qcoder02> (Wasn't there an Afircan cartoonist that made a point about this back in 2000) 13:50 < Biberkopf> should I shave my head? 13:50 < Biberkopf> be honest 13:50 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: Voter ID? 13:50 < greenrosetta> Biberkopf: yes 13:50 < mareklug> will you look as pretty as Sinéad O'Connor? 13:50 -!- Jeske_Merensky [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: Eek! Yoshi! *flees*] 13:50 < Brooklyn> BOO PA voter id law :( 13:50 < Qcoder02> Here in the UK , I kind of expect to get asked for ID when voting 13:50 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:50 < Biberkopf> I hope so!@ 13:51 < Qcoder02> What's valid ID anyway? 13:51 < Qcoder02> Drivers permit? 13:51 < greenrosetta> government id 13:51 < Qcoder02> Oh... 13:51 < Biberkopf> concealed weapons permit? 13:51 < TeeTylerToe> the PA law requires a picture ID which 25% of the black population doesn't have 13:51 < greenrosetta> usually they will accept an affidavit 13:51 < mareklug> probably a state-issued photo id/driver's license or US passport 13:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Biberkopf: home brewing has been a widespread hobby throughout Britain and the colonies for centuries. 13:52 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: So it's a back door anti-black law? 13:52 < Tony_Sidaway> My dad was a home beer and wine enthusiast. 13:52 < TeeTylerToe> minorites, and basically democrats 13:52 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52 -!- Gnumarcoo [~Marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:52 < greenrosetta> is it wrong to take over/under bets on when a user will get blocked? 13:52 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:53 < Soapy> depends 13:53 < Tony_Sidaway> In the apartheid era, the South African government focused on attacking households where the women traditionally brewed beer for their husbands. 13:53 < greenrosetta> Soapy: no thx. I just pee'ed 13:53 < Qcoder02> Oh dear 13:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway thats a south african tradition it seems 13:53 < Biberkopf> why would they do that? 13:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> attacking I mean 13:54 < greenrosetta> what? my wife is making beer, no one better fuck with her 13:54 < greenrosetta> i can let some stuff slide, but I draw the line 13:54 < Tony_Sidaway> I do think the UN should monitor the US elections. The amount of gerrymandering recently is very worrying. 13:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> greenrosetta or fuck her probbaly 13:54 < greenrosetta> Tony_Sidaway: gerrymandering has nothing to do with it 13:54 < Pharos> i think checkuser should be considered valid id 13:54 < mareklug> gerrymandering is traditional US sport 13:55 < Biberkopf> Pharos: agreed 13:55 < greenrosetta> yeah, elections have consequences 13:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think UN should monitor themselves a bit 13:55 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: You mean 'redistricting' 13:55 < Qcoder02> ? 13:55 * ToAruShiroiNeko imagines UN people in front of mirrors aimlessly staring 13:55 < Pharos> i think the UN should monitor the skies for alien threats 13:55 < Qcoder02> The UN has failed in Syria 13:55 < Tony_Sidaway> WHen we got married, my wife had several bottles of blackberry wine that hadn't matured and were too rough to drink. When our second child was born the wine was as sweet as nectar. 13:56 < Pharos> is this some kind of marital parable? 13:56 < Tony_Sidaway> She still goes out every year during the blackberrying season. 13:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: you tell me! I'm happily married after nearly three decades. 13:56 < greenrosetta> Tony, wine doesnt age in the bottle 13:56 < Tony_Sidaway> greenrosetta: don't tell her! :) 13:56 < greenrosetta> heh 13:57 < greenrosetta> it ages in the cask, but once its in glass.... 13:57 < Pharos> parable taken! 13:57 < Qcoder02> Any women here? 13:57 < greenrosetta> on irc? 13:57 < Qcoder02> I need some advice 13:57 < greenrosetta> hahahahaha 13:57 < Pharos> on the internet? no 13:57 < Pharos> the answer is no 13:57 < greenrosetta> they are all out having sex with the cool men. 13:58 < Qcoder02> I'd like to make my eyebrows vanish without shaving 13:58 < greenrosetta> why? 13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 UN didnt fail 13:58 < Brooklyn> um 13:58 < Pharos> i have some advice for ou 13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Russia and China is fail 13:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: play with a gas cooker. 13:58 < Brooklyn> advice: don't. 13:58 < Pharos> don't do it! 13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Russia wants Syria not to be a second Libya 13:58 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: I meant temporarily, not for good... 13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> China wants to probably coat Syria in lead 13:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well 13:58 < Pharos> get flesh-colored cuct tape! 13:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Syria is coated in lead so maybe they think it is china there :/ 13:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: they'll grow back eventually. 13:59 < Pharos> *duct 13:59 < Qcoder02> Some female here advised me on make up technique before... 13:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Actually there was a British MP who completely lost her eyebrows and had her eyebrow arches tattooed to make up for it. 13:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Teresa Gorman. 14:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway why do people have eyebrows? 14:00 < Pharos> she should have just used makeup and wasited 14:00 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00 < Pharos> to hypnotise those with weaker minds 14:00 < Tony_Sidaway> The Wikipedia article says "she shaved them off as a teenager and they never grew back" 14:00 -!- Biberkopf [Biberkopf@c-71-237-2-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: chimichanga] 14:01 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway are all teenagers in the UK this extreme? 14:01 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:01 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: well she was a free marketer. 14:01 < Brooklyn> Syria to Libya - syria % is better as in deaths, fewer deaths: 1073 for Syria min while 226 for Libya 14:01 < Pharos> that doesn't sound biologically plausible 14:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so she marketed for free? 14:01 < greenrosetta> Qcoder02: why does Russia and Libya want you to shave your eyebrows? 14:01 < Brooklyn> not % 14:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Brooke um 14:01 < Tony_Sidaway> I love liberatarians. They're like puppies. 14:01 < mareklug> Qcoder02: re eyebrows: "A trick that theater people use is to take some bar soap that is a little bit wet and slick down your eyebrows, then cover with makeup. You can find tutorials for it online." 14:01 < greenrosetta> that shit on your floor 14:02 < Brooke> ToAruShiroiNeko um 14:02 < Tony_Sidaway> greenrosetta: yep 14:02 < Qcoder02> mareklug: OK 14:02 < Pharos> mareklug is probably right 14:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> problem with syria is there are more people living there in a smaller area 14:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> libya is easier to deal with 14:02 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> less people 14:02 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@177.41.0.40] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:02 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@177.41.0.40] has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:02 < Qcoder02> mareklug: Some online tutorial suggested using make-up wax... 14:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Syria and Lebanon should just stop dating and get married. 14:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also libya is across most nato allies and was already a rouge state so people had their homework done in advance 14:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> syria wasnt really expected to turn out how it did 14:03 < Qcoder02> BTW Do any of the women here know what height is acceptable for a skirt? 14:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway thats hard 14:03 < Qcoder02> I really don't know and ought to 14:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the french made that impossible 14:04 < Pharos> why are you prejudiced against the valuable advice of transvestites? 14:04 < Tony_Sidaway> I never really got the whole Libya thing. Yes, it's run by nutters, but actually most of the nonsense attributed to Libya waa probably false flag from the Middle East. 14:04 < Brooklyn> /clear 14:04 < Tony_Sidaway> They played Muamar like a fiddle. 14:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway false flags very rarely happen 14:04 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:04 < Pharos> ^ 14:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> libya was actively supporting really naughty guys 14:04 < Qcoder02> Like the PIRA ? 14:04 < Soapy> do you think the new government will be worse than Qadaffi? 14:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but libya also was giving not a whole lot of support 14:05 -!- Dundee [kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Quit: hi kiewii] 14:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> few things can be worse than Qadaffi 14:05 < Pharos> the liberal party won the election, actually 14:05 < Pharos> only liberal party that won in the arab spring so far 14:05 < Tony_Sidaway> As a TV my advice to TVs is: it's too high if it shows your balls. To women: there is no acceptable height. Wear a short one and fight for women's rights. 14:06 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: ? 14:06 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:06 < Qcoder02> You cross-dress? 14:06 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:06 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:06 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Er, yes. Google Sherilyn. 14:06 < Pharos> 'm not sure i will! 14:06 -!- Kiewii is now known as kiewii|away 14:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Or better yet, don't. My transvestism pings lots of trolls. 14:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm 14:07 < Qcoder02> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Sherilyn&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=XK&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=YrIuUKyQNIf80QXCvoDYDA&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1184&bih=855 14:07 < Qcoder02> Those seem to images a US Actress though 14:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so you are just a sweet transvestite from transexual transilvania? 14:07 -!- Brooklyn [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has quit [Quit: meh] 14:07 < Qcoder02> " It just an edit to the page ...'# 14:07 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: pretty much. But I'm a lot nicer than Frank. 14:08 < Qcoder02> "and a a revert to the right..." 14:08 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: OMG, Google is channeling my psyche! 14:08 < Qcoder02> " bring up a POV, and then a bad copyright...' 14:09 < Qcoder02> 'but it's the BLP flaw that drives you insane.....' 14:09 -!- kiewii|away is now known as kiewii 14:09 < Qcoder02> 'Let's do the EditWar(p) again...' 14:09 < Qcoder02> ;) 14:10 < Qcoder02> Sorry I'm in a right odd mood this evening 14:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: extempore? This drag queen annoints you as Bard Laureate to Her Majesty. 14:10 < Qcoder02> 'Help Help , I'm being opressed by your shade ! " XD 14:10 < Pharos> [[Wikipedia:Song]] 14:11 < Pharos> share your creativity 14:11 < Qcoder02> Pharos: I can't write whole songs... 14:11 < mareklug> Qcoder02: since you asked about dress, here is something to round your education http://www.islamicgarden.com/article1016.html 14:11 < Qcoder02> I usally tend to do short verses 14:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: any time you're in London, there's a butt of sack with your name on it. (Or a bottle of tizer if you prefer). 14:11 < Pharos> i prefer epic poetry, myself 14:11 < Soapy> yeah we should put up some audio of those songs 14:12 < Qcoder02> Is Parody ok on Commons? 14:12 < Pharos> yes 14:12 < Tony_Sidaway> It's compulsory! 14:12 < Pharos> pretty much 14:12 < Qcoder02> Although strictly speaking it's not parody of the original song in a litteral sense... 14:12 < Pharos> just make it vaguely wikimedia-related 14:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: I took it as, essentially, filk. 14:13 < Qcoder02> "What shalll we do with a rabid vandal?" 14:13 < Soapy> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Candidate%27s_song_take_2.ogg 14:13 < Pharos> all artistic commentary on wikimedia is in scope imho 14:13 < Soapy> hm 14:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Does Wikimania have a filk tradition? 14:13 < Qcoder02> "What Shall we do with a rabid Vandal?" 14:13 < Pharos> a minor one 14:13 < Qcoder02> "What shall we do with a Rabid vandal?" 14:13 < Soapy> my singing voice is terrible 14:13 < Qcoder02> " Before he shocks the main page?" 14:13 < Pharos> the classic is 'I Will Revise' 14:13 < Soapy> unless i adopt a deliberately silly voice 14:14 < Qcoder02> " Tell him to stop by posting on his talk page..." etc... 14:14 < Soapy> maybe thats what I should do 14:14 < Qcoder02> In fact most folk songs you can write funny lyrics to 14:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: to put it another way: your singing voice is silly, unless you put on a terrible voice? 14:14 < Pharos> that's what Frank Sinatra did, Soapy 14:14 < Soapy> ehhhhh 14:14 < Soapy> i have to really struggle to maintain any fo the 'silly' voices for more than a few seconds though 14:14 -!- quanticle is now known as quanticle|away 14:15 < Qcoder02> Somwehere on Wikisource is a filk/parody I did about trying to find out if Waltsing Matilda was still in copyright ;) 14:15 < Qcoder02> I wrote the lyricks of the filk to the tune ;) 14:15 < Tony_Sidaway> Number One Daughter is here. I told her today that many people on this channel think I made her up. 14:15 < Qcoder02> BTW Some folk songs were orignally political in nature anyway 14:16 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: we invite her to join us 14:16 < Pharos> hi Number One Daughter! 14:16 < Tony_Sidaway> I suppose I did, a couple fo decades ago. But it was by way of a joint enterprise. 14:16 < Pharos> do you really have a jetpack? 14:16 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Do you actually do drag? 14:16 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: no, you mistake me for a man whose childhood dreams have been fulfilled. 14:17 -!- Guerillero [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:17 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:17 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: BTW when I wrote some funny stuff for a computer newsgroup I got proclaimed as prophet ;) 14:17 < Pharos> does you daughter at least have a zeppelin? 14:17 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: it's more correct to say that I have an affinity for cross-dressing. I'm not really loud enough to carry off drag, although I have cross-dressed at fancy dress parties. 14:18 < Qcoder02> Until the newsgroup decided it was non-prophet ;) 14:18 < Tony_Sidaway> As a young man I basically dressed up as femme as I could without actually crossdressing. But I was incredibly pretty in those days, not so much now. 14:18 < Qcoder02> Don't worry few drag queen can really carry off drag, some of them it's more of a Carry On ! XD 14:18 < Qcoder02> (That was bad, even by my standards) 14:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: that's what she said. 14:19 < Qcoder02> Before or after the operation? 14:19 < Qcoder02> XD 14:20 < Tony_Sidaway> It's kinda nice, because she is basically into the whole genderfucked thing in the way I was. It's nice for a girl to share an interest with her dad. 14:20 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21 < Qcoder02> Some girls ask for Barbie , Not many people get a live one that can hold a conversation :) 14:22 < mareklug> Angelique Kerber beats Serena Williams in Cincinnati in two sets 14:22 < Pharos> Free Pussy Riot! 14:22 < Maryana> ^ 14:22 < Maryana> +1 14:23 < Qcoder02> BTW There's an urban myth that one kid once put a Ken doll in a dress... 14:23 < Qcoder02> Mum asked why... 14:23 < mareklug> first off, put Pussy Riot on iTunes 14:23 < Qcoder02> Kid said Barbie had told Ken he needed to get in touch with his femminine side 14:23 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 14:24 < Pharos> i wish there was something wiki-ish we could do in support of them 14:24 < mareklug> we could FA their article 14:25 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Without violating NPOV? 14:25 < Pharos> wiki-ish 14:25 < Pharos> not necessarily by articl;e-0writing 14:25 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: the only thing we can do with the phobes is to outlive them and see their children repudiate their ways. It's worked well so far! 14:26 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:26 < mareklug> well, the AIish thing to do would be to write letters to Putin 14:26 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@CPE-58-160-168-199.unqy1.fli.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:26 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@CPE-58-160-168-199.unqy1.fli.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 14:26 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Live a good life, speak truth to power. 14:26 < Qcoder02> BTW In other news Moscow banned Gay Pride 14:26 < Pharos> i don't think Putin is a "phobe", he's just a fascist 14:27 < Qcoder02> What are they going to do with people that violate the ban? Put them in a small crowded place with a load of other men? 14:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: he's not the one responsible for homophobia in Russia. 14:28 < mareklug> he is a romantic nationalist and Homo Sovieticus. he recently bemoaned in public the disappearance of the "Soviet nation" 14:28 < Qcoder02> Is there a Gay Russian Reversal? 14:28 < Pharos> i don't think he really has an ideology other than power 14:28 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Russia has had Tsar's for a long time 14:28 < Qcoder02> For a time they changed color 14:29 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:29 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:29 < Tony_Sidaway> No fan of Putin, but do you really think another politician would have changed this phobic law? They don't yet have the same democratic traditions we have here. 14:30 < Tony_Sidaway> That will change in time. 14:30 < Pharos> that's what i mean, i don't think he's particularly bigoted 14:30 < Soapy> pootie poot ♥♥ 14:30 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: (on Pussy Riot) Seriously can you imagine the Sex Pistols trying to perfom 'God the Save The Queen' in Westminster Abbey? 14:31 < Qcoder02> There would be a simmilar reaction from the Daily Wail to what's happening in Russia :( 14:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: remember Peter Tatchell caused a commotion in Canterbury Cathedral. 14:33 < Qcoder02> When 14:34 < Qcoder02> ? 14:34 < Qcoder02> And did he get into trouble for it? 14:34 < Tony_Sidaway> 1998 during the Archbishop's Easter sermon. 14:34 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/easter_sunday.htm 14:35 < Pharos> and he was sent to as lobr camp for a couple of years? 14:35 < Pharos> *labour 14:35 < Tony_Sidaway> He was fined a small amount of money,with costs. 14:35 < Tony_Sidaway> This is England. 14:36 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 14:36 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@wikimedia/BarkingFish] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:36 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:36 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.158.101.8] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:37 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.158.101.8] has quit [Changing host] 14:37 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:37 < Pharos> yes, that's the difference 14:37 < Pharos> I'd like to think we wouldn't send someone like that to a labor camp in the US either 14:37 < Tony_Sidaway> But remember that less than 50 years before a renowned mathematician had been sentenced to have surgery that was supposed to modify his sexuality, for having sex with another man. 14:37 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle 14:38 < Tony_Sidaway> I think that's at least as barbaric. 14:38 < Tony_Sidaway> We've changed. 14:38 < mareklug> "Oh! England, my Lionheart! / Dropped from my black Spitfire to my funeral barge. " 14:38 < Soapy> turing 14:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, Saint Alan of Turing. 14:39 < mareklug> he was sentenced to chemical therapy, not surgery afaik 14:39 < Spitfire> mareklug, sounds awesome. 14:39 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: yes, sorry. Hormones or whatnot. 14:39 < mysterytrey> Tony_Sidaway: I was just about to have the leftover mac and cheese when I saw "...modify his sexuality, for having sex with another man." 14:39 < mareklug> Spitfire: that's Kate Bush, "Oh England, My Lionheart" 14:39 < BarkingFish> takes the edge off of the elbow macaroni, doesn't it? :) 14:39 < Tony_Sidaway> mysterytrey: there will be no charge for that service. 14:40 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.181.127] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:40 < Tony_Sidaway> And remember that in some African countries there is legislation passing or soon to pass that will make homosexuality a capital offence. 14:40 < Qcoder02> Evening BarkingFish 14:41 < mysterytrey> Tony_Sidaway: Thank you for keeping me skinny. 14:41 < BarkingFish> hi Qcoder02 14:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Just having sex with someone of the same gender, or being suspected of that, is currently a license for murder in parts of Africa. 14:41 < Qcoder02> "News item: Arizona State Troppers have released an alien they captured earlier, His saucer did not have Mexican plates.. The aliens cup however has been impounded as a possible weapon..." 14:42 -!- Mathonius [~mathonius@wikipedia/Mathonius] has left #wikipedia-en [] 14:42 < Tony_Sidaway> (Guess who is pushing for the new laws: homophobic American politicians and preachers) 14:42 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: "In the Islamic regimes of Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, North Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity is punished with the death penalty. In Nigeria and Somalia the death penalty is issued in some regions.[2] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam 14:42 < Pharos> i heard it was homophobic Canadians! 14:43 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: yep. Middle East is another place where you don't want to be caught having sex with someone of the same gender. 14:43 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Some people in Africa also think Prayer cures AIDS 14:43 < Qcoder02> :( 14:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Or kissing a member of the opposite sex in public. 14:43 < Pharos> depends which part of the Middle East 14:43 < Tony_Sidaway> In some parts (obvuously Lebanon and Jordan aren't Saudi Arabia!) 14:44 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: prayer, or sleeping with an underaged girl. 14:44 < mareklug> and ucan do anythng i Tel Aviv :) 14:44 < Qcoder02> :O 14:44 < Tony_Sidaway> where s/sleeping with /raping/ 14:44 < Qcoder02> Seriosuly? They think sleeping with an underage girl cures AIDS? 14:44 < Pharos> yes, it's very sad 14:45 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-590d8c38.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:45 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-590d8c38.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:45 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:45 -!- {Soap} [Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:45 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Africa (there are purported sources there for the AIDS cure myth) 14:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Please fix if incorrect. 14:46 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:46 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: In Munich yet? 14:47 < BarkingFish> no - 27th August 14:47 -!- GeorgeWatson is now known as dendodge 14:47 < Qcoder02> OH OK 14:47 -!- Soapy [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47 < Qcoder02> ON a slightly more serious note.. 14:48 -!- Soapy [Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:48 < Qcoder02> Does anyone know why cleaning my arm vigorusly caused it to blister? 14:48 < jorm> did you clean it with bleach? 14:48 < Qcoder02> No 14:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: what cleaning agents did you use? ANy soap or whatever? 14:48 -!- VanishedUser2138 [~dirien@174-29-156-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:48 -!- VanishedUser2138 [~dirien@174-29-156-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:48 -!- VanishedUser2138 [~dirien@wikimedia/Isarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:48 < Qcoder02> Just soap and a nailbrush 14:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Sounds like allergic reaction. 14:48 < mysterytrey> Nailbrush? 14:49 < Tony_Sidaway> What part of your arm? Inside or outside? Inside skin is rather sensitive. 14:49 < Qcoder02> Outside 14:49 < BarkingFish> Qcoder02, what type of soap, and is it one you have used before? 14:49 -!- bleh3rs1343 [~1343@gateway/tor-sasl/bleh3rs1343] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:49 < Qcoder02> Yeah it's one I've used before without incident 14:49 -!- TeeTylerToe [~terrafirm@pool-173-66-178-25.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 14:49 < Frood> was the water hot? 14:49 < Pharos> crazy ad *against* orthodox jewish ny politician: http://azipaybarah.tumblr.com/post/29638050255/my-first-reaction-to-see-this-holy-shit-thats-a 14:49 < Qcoder02> Warm 14:50 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: were you exposing your arm to sunlight also? It's summer in the Northern Hemisphere so perhaps sunburn contributed. 14:50 -!- {Soap} [Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:50 < Qcoder02> Well consdering I keep my arms covered 14:50 < bleh3rs1343> Don't bend over and pick up the soap! 14:50 < Qcoder02> I cleaned it with the nailbrush, it went sort of bright Pink, and then blistered 14:50 < Tony_Sidaway> Okay. Qcoder02 is it clearing up now? Are you still brushing vigorously? 14:51 < Qcoder02> I only cleaned it once 14:51 < Pharos> i guess it helps if you;ve heard of him, but that is the craziest political ad i've ever seen 14:51 < Qcoder02> And yes the blisters did go down 14:51 < BarkingFish> Possibly contact urticaria, Qcoder02 14:52 < Qcoder02> Hmm which is odd as I've never had that problem before 14:52 < BarkingFish> sometimes an allergic reaction doesn't occur unless the skin under the site is irritated - and cleaning your arms with a nailbrush is likely to do just that kind of irritation 14:52 < BarkingFish> you've applied an irritant, which hasn't affected you until you've triggered a histamine reaction under the skin. 14:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Nail brushes can be kinda extreme for skin, depending how hard you brush. 14:53 < Qcoder02> The reason I was cleaning it with the nailbrush was because it was a bit blotchy beforehand, and assuming this was just dirt, I thought it would clean off 14:53 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: "And knowing is half the battle.." XD 14:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: ah so these could have been early symptoms of the later irritation. 14:53 < BarkingFish> ok, so what had you been in contact with prior to washing?? 14:54 < Qcoder02> General household environment 14:54 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.186.201] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:54 < Qcoder02> I'd also vacumed my room earlier 14:54 < BarkingFish> :) 14:54 < BarkingFish> how much earlier before you noticed this blotchiness? 14:54 < Qcoder02> A couple of days 14:55 < Qcoder02> I don't store anything nasty in my room 14:55 < BarkingFish> ok - i'm not going on days here - what had you been doing in the 2 to 3 hours prior to noticing your arm was blotchy 14:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: it's a perfectly normal symptom. You're becoming a superhero! Radioactive spiders, irritating household dust, it's all the same sign of a revolutionary change in your relationship with the world. 14:55 < suicidalzerg> Has anyone ever heard of rabbits eating peppers off of a Jalapeno plant? 14:55 < Tony_Sidaway> But remember: with great power comes great responsibility. 14:55 < Qcoder02> BarkingFIsh: Nothing other than typing on the computer :) 14:55 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.186.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:56 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has quit [Quit: While there's life, there's hope.] 14:56 < Qcoder02> And typing doesn't cause skin blotchiness 14:56 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 14:56 < suicidalzerg> With great power comes great amounts of influence, and naturally, money. :p 14:56 < Qcoder02> Unless an LCD monitor has some radioactive effect XD 14:56 < BarkingFish> no - do you clean your keyboard, Qcoder02? 14:56 < Tony_Sidaway> suicidalzerg: have you thought of asking in a rabbit-oriented channel? But then we responded to Qcoder02 so I guess The Doctor/Vet Is In. 14:56 < PonyToast> Qcoder02: it melts your brain 14:57 < Qcoder02> BarkingFidh: Well I sometimes run a vacuam over it , to clean out stuff... but I hadn't done that 2-3 hours before I noted the blotches.. 14:57 < bleh3rs1343> WTF, asshole. Fishs can't bark, idiot. 14:57 < BarkingFish> Cause the cracks in between your keys are a great place for dust mites to live :) I was told how to shift them - I blow the keyboard through with compressed air once a week, and hoover it after 14:57 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [SeaMonkey 2.11/20120715041107]] 14:57 < mysterytrey> bleh3rs1343: Be quiet. 14:57 < BarkingFish> bleh3rs1343, fuck off, please 14:57 < Qcoder02> OK 14:57 < bleh3rs1343> mysterytrey: Shut up, gaywad. 14:57 < Soapy> that ad is pretty mainstream conservative-wise 14:57 < Qcoder02> Thanks for the tip... 14:57 < bleh3rs1343> BarkingFish: You too, nigger. 14:58 < suicidalzerg> !op 14:58 < Qcoder02> Ops? 14:58 < Tony_Sidaway> I had a problem with my right arm recently, and only after a while did I realise that it was because of the ridiculous amount of time I spend using a mobile phone where saner people would seek out a proper computer with an actual keyboard to fix their software issues. 14:58 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Gfoley4] by ChanServ 14:58 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/bleh3rs1343] by Gfoley4 14:58 -!- bleh3rs1343 was kicked from #wikipedia-en by Gfoley4 [bleh3rs1343] 14:58 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Gfoley4] by ChanServ 14:58 * Brooke NP: "If You're Gone" by Matchbox Twenty from "Mad Season" 14:58 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.] 14:58 < suicidalzerg> That was... random 14:58 < Qcoder02> Something else I get sometimes when wearing heels is a slight twinge in my ankles... 14:58 < Qcoder02> .. but I've been told that's normal 14:58 < Soapy> the channel is open tonight, so lots of trolls are coming 14:59 < mysterytrey> What ? : Something else I get sometimes when wearing heels is a slight twinge in my ankles... 14:59 < mysterytrey> .. but I've been told that's normal 14:59 < Qcoder02> Soapy: And how gets to play Father Billy Goat to the channel... 14:59 < Qcoder02> *who? 14:59 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:00 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac5e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.197.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00 -!- Wehwalt [4462af34@wikipedia/Wehwalt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00 < Qcoder02> mystertrey: You've never worn heels? 15:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah. American conservatives. 15:00 < Soapy> Although personally opposed to homosexuality as being against Judaism, Simcha Felder backed Christine Quinn for City Council Speaker in what was seen as a political move to gain allies.[3] Although Felder claims to support Quinn, he says he cannot actually vote for her because of religious reasons.[4] When the time came to vote Quinn for Council Speaker, Felder did not cast a vote and 15:00 < Soapy> took a trip to the restroom.[5] 15:01 < Qcoder02> It's odd that someone should use the n word against barkingfish ;) 15:01 < Tony_Sidaway> I kinda love the election nonsense. Sometimes I think Obama is so certain to win that I speculate on the coming impeachment trials in Congress. 15:01 < Soapy> Simcha "I support you but I dont wanna vote for you, 'scuse me I have to go to the bathroom" Felder 15:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Other days, I'm not so sure. There are _so many_ insane nutters in America. 15:01 < BarkingFish> i didn't see it, Qcoder02 - I slapped the little twat on ignore before I told him to FO :) 15:01 < mysterytrey> Soapy: How is the channel 'open'? What do you mean? 15:01 < Qcoder02> Sometimes this channel is +R 15:02 < Soapy> trey: meaning, not limited to registered users only 15:02 < Soapy> yeah 15:02 < Qcoder02> (And no that's not a CONTENT rating) XD 15:02 -!- TParis [~TParis@cpe-66-69-110-209.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:02 -!- TParis [~TParis@cpe-66-69-110-209.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:02 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:02 < Soapy> it used to be "open" all the time, now lately it's almost half-and-half 15:02 < Tony_Sidaway> How does one become a "registered user?" 15:03 < Qcoder02> you provide an e-mail address to nickserv and confirm it 15:03 < Tony_Sidaway> If by some change I have been registered as a user, is there a mechanism by which I could remove that registration? 15:03 < BarkingFish> by registering their nick here with nickserv, Tony_Sidaway 15:03 < Qcoder02> I used to be Qcoder00 15:03 < BarkingFish> and yes, you can /msg nickserv drop (username) (password) Tony_Sidaway 15:03 < Soapy> yeah, youre registered 15:03 < Qcoder02> but I locked myself out :( 15:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: ah, so registered with freenode, not the project or the channel. That's fine. 15:04 < mysterytrey> Soapy: Hmm. Well, looking back, to access via tor I think you also have to do sasl, so, I think that troll /was/ registered with nickserv. 15:04 < Qcoder02> Anyone seen a Peter-C? 15:04 < Tony_Sidaway> I even have a Wikipedia cloak! 15:04 < Qcoder02> Do you have a Wiki Dagger as well? 15:04 < mysterytrey> I have a wikimedia cloak! 15:04 < Soapy> yeah, youre right, he's registered 15:04 < Soapy> but even so 15:04 < Soapy> a lot of the "troll" users wont bother 15:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Even though my main reason for using freenode this time around isn't Wikipedia at all. You guys are just the tasty icing on the very lovely cake. 15:05 < Qcoder02> But the Cake is a Lie! 15:05 < Qcoder02> (Sorry sorry) 15:05 < Tony_Sidaway> I like the idea of applying for a freenode/Wikipedia dagger. 15:05 < mysterytrey> Have you played portal though? 15:06 < mysterytrey> It's my second favorite game that has a soundtrack of "Still Alive". 15:06 < Tony_Sidaway> I once saw a real life action short on Youtube that purported to be connected to Portal. My daughter and son (both keen Portal players) loved it. 15:06 < Qcoder02> 'Well I'm sure everyone thinks we are absolutely FABULOUS... Shame for some of the cake has nuts in it ..." </Jullian> 15:06 < Tony_Sidaway> I couldn't make head or tail of it. 15:07 < mareklug> suicidalzerg: lots of critters will eat you out of a garden. opossum, raccoons, squirrels 15:07 < Qcoder02> Bears 15:07 < Qcoder02> Beavers 15:07 < Tony_Sidaway> My daughter's rats ate me out of a bed! 15:07 < Qcoder02> Other Wikipedians ;) 15:08 < Qcoder02> Lions and Tigers and Bears , Oh My.... 15:08 < Qcoder02> ! 15:08 < Qcoder02> XD 15:08 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 15:10 < Tony_Sidaway> She has three rats. She bought one because the pet shop she found him in were crazy and said he needed to be quarantined, which is awful because rats are an intensely social species. 15:11 < BarkingFish> Lolz :) Have you ever heard the expression "Helping out a brother?" I just found the true meaning of that :) 15:11 < BarkingFish> http://imgur.com/Pu0oB 15:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Then once she ascertained that they were talking nonsense about his alleged disease, she had to get companions. So she bought two more rats. They are all male and live together in a big cage. 15:11 < BarkingFish> Fancy using your brother's back as a freaking stepstool :P 15:11 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: PM Please 15:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Does anybody here know what broxing and boggling are? 15:11 < BarkingFish> sure, go for it 15:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Broxing is when a rat grates its teeth. It's a sign of happiness, like a cat's purr. 15:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Boggling is the effect of broxing on a rat' 15:13 < Tony_Sidaway> s eyes. The head is small so the eyes are pushed outwards a little when it broxes, making a "boggling" effect like in a cartoon. 15:13 < Qcoder02> Like Jerry's Eye when he sees tom with some implement? 15:13 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-78-146-2-120.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:13 < Tony_Sidaway> It's cool. When your pet rats are lying around grooming one another and boggling, you have some happy rats! 15:14 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-78-146-2-120.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:14 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:15 < Tony_Sidaway> Parrots also grate their beaks when they're happy. It sounds like someone using a rasp on wood. 15:15 -!- Will-k [~Will-k@unaffiliated/makeshift] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:16 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@unaffiliated/unknownfork] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:18 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:20 < suicidalzerg> mareklug: Will they eat hot peppers though? :p 15:20 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: Bacon.] 15:21 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:21 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@unaffiliated/unknownfork] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:21 < suicidalzerg> It was probably birds that did it 15:21 < suicidalzerg> I know birds can easily eat hot peppers, since they're immune to Capsaicin... 15:22 < suicidalzerg> In fact, if I'm not mistaken, that's how pepper seeds are spread :p 15:22 -!- lucasoutloud [~anonymous@wikipedia/lucasoutloud] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:22 < mysterytrey> Odd: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abusaif&redirect=no&rcid=523174622 15:22 < mysterytrey> I'm just gonna leave that. 15:22 < mysterytrey> I have no clue what to tag it for. 15:23 < Tony_Sidaway> "In 1982, homophobia was used for the first time in The New York Times to report that the General Synod of the Church of England voted to refuse to condemn homosexuality." 15:23 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:23 < BarkingFish> suicidalzerg, spot on :) http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1857/are-birds-immune-to-hot-pepper-enabling-them-to-eat-vast-amounts-and-spread-the-seeds 15:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Interesting snapshot to a time when England still looked to the Church of England as the gatekeepers of morality. 15:24 < BarkingFish> For anyone who has ever "enjoyed" a five-alarm mondongo at a Mexican restaurant, two questions will immediately leap to mind: (a) How can such featherweight creatures consume enough incendiary material to vaporize a camel and still show no signs of discomfort? and (b) hokey smokes, Josephine, what do you suppose that will do to their tiny bungholes tomorrow morning? 15:24 < BarkingFish> :P 15:24 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.181.127] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24 < geniice> mysterytrey malfunctioning spambot perhaps? 15:24 < Qcoder02> Do people have allergic reaction to chilli ? 15:24 < BarkingFish> Qcoder02, oh yes - it's very possible. 15:24 < suicidalzerg> Weah, and we have plenty magpies and crows and shit here 15:24 < Qcoder02> As opposed to irritant based reaction to the 'heat' 15:25 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't get the "bunghole" reference. I often have severe problems at the front end with hot chillies and whatnot, but I've never ever had a problem at the nether end. 15:25 < Qcoder02> You've been lucky then 15:25 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, the bunghole is often the sorest place the following morning after extremely spicy food. 15:25 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:26 < BarkingFish> Hence the phrase "If you're having a vindaloo tonight, keep your bog roll in the freezer" 15:26 < Tony_Sidaway> I also fucking _love_ that Japanese stuff, wasabi, and devour it by the mouthful. No adverse effects on my botton. 15:26 < geniice> we didn't conquore japan. Why would we eat their food? 15:26 < BarkingFish> Ah yes, the dreaded "Namida". I don't know how you can stomach that stuff, Tony_Sidaway - I have enough trouble with regular horseradish on a beef sandwich 15:27 -!- UnknownFork [~UnknownFo@unaffiliated/unknownfork] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:28 < Tony_Sidaway> I declare "blue balls" on this. There are certain social myths to which we pay lip service. One of these is that failure to squirt his jizz into a suitable female receptacle every N days (for some value of N) will cause physical pain to a man. 15:28 < Tony_Sidaway> I declare that "curry bum" is a myth of "blue balls" proportion. 15:28 < BarkingFish> Oh no it isn't :) 15:29 -!- kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:29 < BarkingFish> I think it's not so much a myth, as dependent on the person's tolerance of spicy or hot food. 15:29 -!- kiewii [~kiewii@5e0b4681.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:30 < ItzExor> Tony_Sidaway: it's not 15:30 -!- kiewii [~kiewii@5e0b4681.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:30 -!- kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:30 -!- Yulli [~Yulli@unaffiliated/yulli] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> {{citation needed}} 15:30 < BarkingFish> Also, even mildly spiced curries with cream in the sauce, can still cause it. 15:30 < Qcoder02> One for MythBusters? 15:30 -!- lucasoutloud [~anonymous@wikipedia/lucasoutloud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30 -!- quanticle is now known as quanticle|away 15:30 < ItzExor> Citation 1: My anus. 15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: I can just see Adam and Tory salivating! 15:30 -!- Yulli [~Yulli@unaffiliated/yulli] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:30 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: ROFL 15:30 < BarkingFish> ItzExor, I'd support that citation. Mine is a witness to that shit as well :P 15:31 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: No OR though :( 15:31 < BarkingFish> lol 15:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: seriously we should get the MythBusters on the case. 15:32 < Qcoder02> Does anyybody have medical articles in rectal irritation due to Capsacin irrtant in excreta... 15:32 < Qcoder02> ? 15:32 < Qcoder02> *on 15:32 < ItzExor> It's not 100%, though, it seems to happen at random. I ate a raw habanero one time that burned like hell, with no problems at the other end... 15:32 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Unless they have already looked into it of course 15:32 < Qcoder02> You could group it with some other food myths... 15:32 < Qcoder02> Like the 'five second rule' 15:33 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:33 < Qcoder02> Or that twinkees are OK to eat after being left for a long time 15:33 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Here's another question: if someone ate chillies and ended up with curry bottom, then had anal sex with a man, would the man (who has not partaken of the curried meal) feel irritation in his penis? 15:34 < SigmaWP> I get on IRC and the first thing I see... 15:34 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Hmm 15:34 < Qcoder02> That's a bit NSFW for Mythbusters though ;) 15:34 < Tony_Sidaway> At this point, were she still here, I think my daughter would step in and say "MythBusters slash!" 15:35 < Qcoder02> :O 15:35 < mattbuck> Tony_Sidaway, I'm not sure how much chili my boyfriend eats, but I have never noticed anything along those lines 15:35 < Qcoder02> On the subject of the N days without sex , doesn't unused sprem get reabsorbed? 15:36 < BarkingFish> What stings going in, will sting coming out :) Passage through the digestive system will not have much effect on the distruction of capsaicin. 15:36 < mattbuck> I imagine it might happen, but would need to be really hot chili 15:36 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: i can tell ya from personal exp that vindaloo prepared hot actually hurts on the way out 15:36 < Tony_Sidaway> mattbuck: thanks. I personally wouldn't expect it either 15:36 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: Are there any PubMed journal articles on this? 15:36 < BarkingFish> not that i know of, Qcoder02 15:37 < Qcoder02> :( 15:37 < Qcoder02> On a Tanget here... I assume people know what Montezuma's Revene is.. 15:37 < Qcoder02> *Revenge 15:38 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:38 < Tony_Sidaway> You know, one thing that would utterly settle this, would be the existence of gay curry clubs, wherein couples meet in groups and eat curry to share and celebrate the anticipated hotness. 15:38 < mattbuck> why gay? women have assholes too 15:38 < geniice> tends to fall under BSDB 15:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Or conversely, word of mouth from male gay couples who avoided curry because of the hotness. 15:39 -!- ragesoss [~sage@wikimedia/ragesoss] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:40 < Tony_Sidaway> mattbuck: yes you're right 15:40 < Qcoder02> Chilli as a form of S/M erm..... time for a mide erasure pill I think 15:40 < Qcoder02> *mind 15:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: Torchwood should have covered this. 15:40 < Qcoder02> Huh? 15:40 < ItzExor> I'm pretty sure I've read something on that before... 15:41 < Tony_Sidaway> This is why I regret their progression to large stories. The shorter episodes were so full of these poignant bits. 15:41 * BarkingFish reads back onto what started this weird assed conversation... 15:41 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood 15:42 < BarkingFish> Suicidalzerg asking if birds could eat hot peppers, apparently being immune to capsaicin... 15:42 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: it was probably when I stopped watching TV and started IRCing. 15:42 < suicidalzerg> I was asking if Rabbits could 15:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, then it went on to humans. 15:42 < BarkingFish> And we wind up talking about gay curry clubs and whether a guy would get a sore dick if he fucked someone who'd had a hot curry... 15:42 < Tony_Sidaway> That was definitely me. 15:42 < Qcoder02> Oh Behave! </roger> 15:43 < BarkingFish> and no, suicidalzerg - it was definitely birds :) 15:43 < BarkingFish> <suicidalzerg> I know birds can easily eat hot peppers, since they're immune to Capsaicin... 15:43 * mattbuck rogers Qcoder02 15:43 < Tony_Sidaway> (Not that I ever engage in buttfucking. I'm a happily married pervert!) 15:43 < Qcoder02> BTW Does anyone else here think Roger in American Dad might be a bit camp? 15:43 < BarkingFish> oh ffs 15:43 < BarkingFish> you only just noticed> 15:43 < BarkingFish> He's as gay as a macy's independance day parade :D 15:44 < Tony_Sidaway> I just knew I wasn't completely heterosexual when I realised that I loved Wilma. 15:44 < mattbuck> he's not gay, merely camp and omnisexual 15:44 < mattbuck> from the flintstones? 15:45 < Qcoder02> mattbuck: Yeah but you know what grey aliens do? ;) 15:45 < Tony_Sidaway> mattbuck: well I'm not talking about Wilma Reading. But I could have been. 15:45 < suicidalzerg> BarkingFish 15:45 < suicidalzerg> -15:55:23- (suicidalzerg) Has anyone ever heard of rabbits eating peppers off of a Jalapeno plant? 15:45 < mattbuck> I don't know who wilma reading is 15:45 < Tony_Sidaway> suicidalzerg: you win the Quidditch! 15:45 < BarkingFish> ah, i musta missed that bit, suicidalzerg :) 15:45 < mattbuck> and I thought you were male 15:45 < BarkingFish> scrollback don't go very far 15:45 < Qcoder02> Wilma Dearing is a charcter in Buck ROgers IIRC 15:46 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilma_Reading 15:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Wilma_Breading ? 15:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: if I fancied that Wilma you could just give me a certified whoopsie badge right there. 15:47 -!- CerebrumBot [koder@wikipedia/slakr/bot/CerebrumBot] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:48 -!- slakr [koder@wikipedia/slakr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:48 -!- Will-k [~Will-k@unaffiliated/makeshift] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:48 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Did I tell you about the costuem that got me invovled in a student 'art' film? 15:49 -!- slakr-mo1l [koder@3b.36.85ae.static.theplanet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:49 < Qcoder02> I did a robot maid costume for a party... 15:49 < Qcoder02> And I got asked to be in a student sci-gfi type film , I was also asked to find some strobes ;) 15:49 < Qcoder02> *sci-fi 15:50 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: that sounds great! And I don't even know or care about whether you've ever advertised your gender. 15:50 < SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi 15:50 -!- Writ_Keeper [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Writ-Keeper] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 15:50 -!- slakr-mobl [~koder@3b.36.85ae.static.theplanet.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:50 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:51 < Tony_Sidaway> But I would deffo go for a male robot maid. They have certain attachments that the female models lack. 15:51 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:51 < Qcoder02> Well I get wary about 'film' stuff... because they are people that don't want to make 'art' if you know what I mean 15:51 < Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: hi 15:51 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: It was a 'femme' robot maid in terms of the costume :) 15:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: ;) 15:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Let's not think about what's under the hood! 15:52 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:52 < BarkingFish> Holy cow. This is what I want for a hard drive!!! Some geneticists at Harvard have managed to store 700TB of data in one gram of human dna. 15:52 < Qcoder02> I also at some point came up with the concept of 7ft tall space ant with non conventional gender :) 15:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Dammit I love flirting. Can we just change the channel name to 15:53 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: OMG 15:53 < BarkingFish> That's 12,500 50GB blueray disks 15:53 < Tony_Sidaway> #wikipedia-en-flirt ? 15:53 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: So when doe they figure out what the white mice have known for years ? XD 15:53 < Qcoder02> *do 15:54 < BarkingFish> the equivalent for storage would be enough 3TB external hard drives to weigh 151KG! 15:54 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: /me wonders if some crazy cracker would try to encode his warez stash into his DNA ;) 15:54 < Qcoder02> Ultimate 'backup' ;) 15:55 < mattbuck> yeah, but you're fucked if you get a virus 15:55 < Frood> basically a few racks in a datacenter :P 15:55 < BarkingFish> well fuck yeah, imagine plugging yourself into your pc and loading your porn stash directly from your DNA :D 15:55 < mattbuck> impossible to keep data secure though 15:55 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: cool. So when my younger, reproductive-age relatives procreate, I can send them a card saying "congratulations on your successful initiation of a proecdure that will culminate in the introduction of some X Terabytes of data into the human continuum!" 15:55 < BarkingFish> :) 15:55 < Qcoder02> mattbuck: Maybe GOD is a coder ;) 15:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I am a traditionalist in this respect. 15:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Pink for a boy, obviously. 15:56 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: It's not all new data though... 15:56 < mattbuck> COPYVIO 15:56 < Qcoder02> Some of it's 'inheritied' classes 15:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: ah, those copyright fascists! 15:56 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, think of the possibilities though. You can scan in all your family memories, pics of your relatives, etc, save them to your DNA, and pass them on to your kids so that they have a copy of their entire family history built in :D 15:56 -!- Fluffernutter [~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:57 < Qcoder02> Isn't that what some people think human memory does anyway? 15:57 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: yes but also you can pass down fake memories. 15:57 < BarkingFish> never again would you have adopted kids trying to find out their proper background family history, where they came from and so on 15:57 < Tony_Sidaway> This is just scratchpad data. 15:57 * Qcoder02 can sense one of those late night weirdy sci-fi mindfuck shows doing a story on this 15:58 < BarkingFish> Why would you take up the space though? There's enough DNA in the human body to encode the contents of pretty much every national library on earth 15:58 < Qcoder02> I'ts just crazy enough to be a story from a little place you visit ocassionaly.. called the Twilight Zone... 15:58 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: From the inner limits of the Human Mind to ... The Outer Limits :) 15:58 < Tony_Sidaway> I suppose if a cryptographic hash were generated from DNA x and then another from DNA y (progeny) then a chain of certification could be set up. 15:58 < Qcoder02> Sorry 15:58 < BarkingFish> Imagine having Wikipedia encoded into your little finger, or the entire contents of the Bodlean library in your hand. 15:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Actually, yes. This could work! 15:59 -!- purplebackpack89 [476c7d38@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.108.125.56] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:59 < Qcoder02> Isn't that sort fo what DNA fingerprinting does? 15:59 < Qcoder02> *of 15:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Incidentally: if you're interested in Crypto and can spare a few hours a week: https://www.coursera.org/course/crypto 16:00 < Tony_Sidaway> That course starts later this month and, wow, it's brilliant! 16:00 < ItzExor> How does one retrieve the data? I mean we recall memories and stuff from our brain right? 16:00 < purplebackpack89> is applying for one of these free databases worth it if all you can think of using it for is one FL, and that's an FL you're not even sure the sources exist anywhere? 16:00 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: neural lace. 16:00 < ItzExor> Will future memory interfaces say "provide blood"? 16:00 < ItzExor> lol 16:01 < Qcoder02> ItzExor: Will you get data vampires? 16:01 < Qcoder02> I claim that :) 16:01 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Detail 16:01 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Quit: Nothing to do here… *flies away*] 16:01 < Qcoder02> Unless cyperpunk writers already have 16:01 < ItzExor> The "Thirst for knowledge" becomes literal 16:02 < Tony_Sidaway> A woman is killed, then finds herself resurrected because she had been implanted with a neural lace 10 years earlier. 16:02 < mareklug> purplebackpack89: probably not. what is this FL? 16:02 < purplebackpack89> [[Euroscar]] 16:02 < purplebackpack89> I need to source some of the prose 16:02 < Qcoder02> ItzExor: Sounds like the basis for a show... 16:02 < Qcoder02> Pharos: 16:02 < Qcoder02> You don't know any writers do you? 16:03 < Tony_Sidaway> purplebackpack89: could you explain what "FL" means in your earlier statements? I just can't understand you. 16:03 < purplebackpack89> also, since I can't find a complete list of winners, I'm going to try and source each individually 16:03 < purplebackpack89> Tony_Sidaway: Featured list 16:03 < Tony_Sidaway> purplebackpack89: thanks. A Wikipedian thing, I assume. My patience tends to break down when I see the word "featured". 16:04 < mareklug> purplebackpack89: the dbs for humanities and social sciences will obviously be off topic, so that narrows things some 16:04 < purplebackpack89> mareklug: I think that the sources I need are in Italian 16:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Don't get me wrong: I fucking love Raul654. But I just don't think featured articles and whatnot should be part of Wikipedia as such. 16:04 < mareklug> that narrows it even more :) 16:05 < Tony_Sidaway> purplebackpack89: language should not be a barrier. 16:05 < Qcoder02> BTW Tony, are you any good at performing? 16:05 < Qcoder02> (as in semi acting ) 16:05 < Ebe123> Get a lingua franga 16:05 < Ebe123> Wikiese? 16:05 < purplebackpack89> Tony_Sidaway: yo no habla italiano 16:06 < Qcoder02> Ebe123: There is no Wikipedia common language 16:06 < Qcoder02> Not yet 16:06 < Ebe123> I know 16:06 < Qcoder02> Unless you know a linguist that want's to try and write one 16:06 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-134-76.bb.ispone.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:06 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-134-76.bb.ispone.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 16:06 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:07 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: no. I _love_ drag queens but I am not one (to give a salient example). 16:07 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en [] 16:07 < mareklug> purplebackpack89: i don't think these resources were meant to be offered to support exactly one featured list about basketball awards in Europe, truth be told :) 16:08 < Tony_Sidaway> purplebackpack89: okay but Italian isn't like some weird unknown languaage. If there's anything you can't understand email it to me. tonysidaway@gmail.com 16:08 < purplebackpack89> mareklug: OK, I'll pass on the offer and look for sources elsewhere 16:09 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away 16:09 < mareklug> purplebackpack89: italian sport pages online might do the trick. you might also seek assistance on it wiki at their village pump 16:11 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:12 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|away 16:12 < purplebackpack89> mareklug: OK, I'll do that 16:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Somebody asked if I was a drag queen. Well, I stopped dressing as I liked around the house as my kids came closer to puberty. They're grown up now but I don't feel as if I own that part of my life until they say they don't need me. 16:15 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 16:19 < mareklug> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/west-bank-facing-blackout-over-unpaid-63m-electricity-bills-8057343.html <-- this is why I laugh when ppl call Palestine a state. reality is quite different 16:19 -!- nuenfly [~nuenfly@ahrasyl.no-ip.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 16:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug westbank is a bank 16:28 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28 -!- DeltaQuad [~quassel@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:29 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:30 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 16:31 < Qcoder02> mareklug: The Isralei's cutting the power ... hmmm 16:31 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana] 16:32 < Qcoder02> I assume Palestine doesn't have it's own gnerating capacity 16:32 < mareklug> interestingly Hamas/gaza paid up 16:32 < mareklug> Qcoder02: that's the laughing crux of the matter. they have nothing 16:33 < mareklug> nothing that a state does/provide for its citizens 16:33 < Qcoder02> mareklug: Hamas knows is Israel cuts off the West Bank it would hurt the PA 16:33 < Qcoder02> *if 16:33 < Qcoder02> That is only good for Hamas 16:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 palestine is under an embargo 16:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they cannot produce shit 16:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well 16:33 < SigmaWP> lol 16:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they can only produce shit probably 16:33 < Qcoder02> However Hamas would not hwoever wish to alienate an area where it enjoys support 16:34 < Qcoder02> hence why it paid up in respect of Gaza 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hamas needs a u 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and become Humus 16:34 < Qcoder02> That said , if Israel cut the power, would it kill people? 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> those in hospitals 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedians 16:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and of course twitter junkies 16:35 < Qcoder02> Don't hospitals have generators? 16:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> for temporary power 16:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> very expensive 16:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> only powers part of the devices 16:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> assuming they have generators 16:35 < Qcoder02> So the IEC is basicly using a civil debt as a WMD? 16:35 < BarkingFish> Not everywhere, Qcoder02 - and in the west bank, that would be nigh on impossible, the israelis try to embargo fuel from getting in 16:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish they'd embargo air from getting in if they could 16:36 < mareklug> i'm surprised the UN pays for other utilities for camps but not power. they should pick that tab also 16:36 < Qcoder02> And the reason the PA can't pay up is? 16:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug UN is too busy not getting bombed 16:37 < Tony_Sidaway> I hate the whole Israel thing. It's like the US and Europe are just playing silly buggers, without realising that their interference is severely distorting local politics in the Middle East. 16:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 they dont have GDP that can support themselves because they are under the heaviest of sancitons 16:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway does a silly burger taste good? 16:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Eventually there will be a single state, approximating to Palestine. But meanwhile you have this ridiculous nonsense going on. 16:38 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Before or after there is a bloody genocide? 16:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> eventually is when people dont use oil 16:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 genocides are typically bloody 16:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats like saying wet water 16:39 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Qcoder02: who is going to conduct genocide on whom? Bear in mind that it took a generation and a lot of hard lobbying for Israel even to allow the expelled Palestinians to go back home. And now the Israeli government is still treating these people like shit. 16:41 < Qcoder02> The Genocide will be the Palestinains against Israel 16:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder02 bah 16:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that would be "Holocaust" 16:42 < mareklug> um, the expelled (from Israel) Palestinians were never allowed to go back. this issue is know as the right to return, Tony_Sidaway 16:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Just because you acted unjustly towards a group of people, does not justify your suggestion that they will react by committing genocide against you. 16:43 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: yep. But they have returned. 16:43 -!- Miniz [~wat@2001:0:4137:9e76:386c:252b:51a3:2089] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:43 < mareklug> how exactly have they returned, ay to their homes in Jaffa? 16:43 < mareklug> say 16:44 < geniice> given that the stated intion of a number of palistian groups is at the very least ethnic clensing its not an unreasonable assumption 16:44 -!- VanKrause [~hhhh@adsl-75-22-73-190.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think a tardis like solution is needed 16:45 < geniice> why do we need a solution? 16:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we gotta solve problems, we are problem solvers 16:46 < geniice> as long as we can sell weapons to both sides the situation appears adiquate as it stands 16:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this isnt true 16:46 < Tony_Sidaway> I think this is a repeat of the "I can't support feminists because some feminists think killing men is a good idea" argument. 16:47 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:47 < geniice> those groups don't hold significant political support in the feminist movement. Hamas on the other hand 16:47 < Tony_Sidaway> No, the fact that some people may be deranged does not make the fact that Palestinians should, you know, be allowed to live in Palestine a bad argument. 16:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh fuckity fuck. 16:48 < geniice> but most of them live in transjordan 16:48 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: could you get to the point? 16:48 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: fyi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return 16:49 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: I read it. 16:49 < Tony_Sidaway> "Londoners' right to return" would be very similar. 16:49 < mareklug> then I'm rather surprised at your claim, "that they have returned" 16:49 < geniice> at the present time attempts to facilitate a large scale movement of palistians into isreal carries an unacceptable risk of another nuclear equiped islamic state 16:50 < geniice> one is quite enough 16:50 < Tony_Sidaway> You can't chase people out of their homes and then treat them like shit without being recognised as rather shitty yourself. 16:50 < geniice> yes you can 16:50 < geniice> Britian pulled it off for over a century 16:51 < Tony_Sidaway> There are already nuclear-equipped states. 16:51 < mareklug> this chasing people out of their homes is a European history staple, what with the shifting borders 16:51 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:51 < geniice> yes but most of them are either fairly stable or will be killed off by india if they are too much trouble 16:52 < Tony_Sidaway> I have no idea what geniice is blithering about. The UK was rather toxic as empires go but I don't get what geniice is saying. 16:52 < geniice> we mostly don't get much blame as a result 16:53 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@adsl-75-22-73-190.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:54 < geniice> the reality is that isreal has the millitary strength and political will to keep the palistians out. 16:55 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: I think I said this before: only as long as US politics supports this. 16:55 < Tony_Sidaway> And it's extraordinary, and seems to be based on some millennialist nonsense. 16:55 < geniice> not really. Isreal has nuclear weapons and a reasonable domestic arms production capacity 16:55 < mareklug> us will always support israel, if only for the Jewish Americans, if not for reasons of democracy/alliance 16:56 * kylu yawns, waves @ all. 16:56 < geniice> oh plus the only people in a position to invate are arabs 16:56 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: did nuclear weapons save the Soviet Union and its allies? 16:57 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Quit: Connection savagely beaten to death by peer] 16:57 < geniice> well on the bassis that chechnya has to a large extent been taken care of yes 16:57 < Tony_Sidaway> It's not so long ago that the West wanted to pretend that Libya was a nuclear power. 16:58 < geniice> Isreal is a nuclear power 16:58 < mareklug> Libya did makes moves in that direction, but widened up 16:58 < geniice> what the west wants is secondary 16:58 < Tony_Sidaway> How so? 16:58 < mareklug> wisened 16:59 < Tony_Sidaway> THis is what really weirds me out. Why is it so good that some upstart state should have nuclear weaponse, but not some other upstart state? How can we determine which bumch of crazies is worthy of trust? 17:00 -!- hoo [~Miranda@wikipedia/Hoo-man] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:00 < geniice> we don't trust either but we can't really take Isreals weapons away and they are not about to do a south africa 17:00 < hoo> Any admin around who's familar with abuse filters? 17:01 < hoo> Take a look at [[Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Requested#Catching_malicious_.3Ca.3E_tags_probably_inserted_by_a_browser_extension]] please 17:01 -!- Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away 17:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Israel of 2012 is going through the same crap we saw in South Africa of 1988. 17:01 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01 < geniice> not so there are more jews than africans 17:01 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 17:01 < geniice> wrong word 17:01 < geniice> dutch 17:02 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: seriously, you think it comes down to the false notion that there are more X than Y? 17:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Where X is Jews 17:02 < Tony_Sidaway> and Y is what? 17:02 < geniice> well yes why do you think zimbarwe went down before south africa 17:02 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:02 < geniice> southern rodesia rather 17:03 < geniice> Y is non jews in isreal 17:03 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: who the fuck are you? YOu pop up on IRC and email and come out with this weird racist crap. 17:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Who the fuck are you? 17:03 < geniice> white male european 17:03 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Okay. Thank you. 17:04 < Tony_Sidaway> No further comment. 17:04 < geniice> you not up on demographic warefare 17:04 < kylu> Tony: on the plus side, it does make Americans look sane once in a while. 17:04 < geniice> its like people to make love not war seriously 17:04 < Tony_Sidaway> I am totally not logging this. 17:04 < Tony_Sidaway> No seeriously. 17:05 < Tony_Sidaway> But you all say where this shithold admitted what it's all about. 17:05 < Tony_Sidaway> "you not up on demographic warefare" 17:05 < geniice> because making demographic observations about the colapase of political systems in southern africa is now racist 17:05 < noommos> is this ips contributions correct? or are they introducing false information? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.32.171.92 17:05 < Tony_Sidaway> That is what this shithole said. 17:06 < geniice> Tony_Sidaway sure you don't follow western sharah? 17:07 < geniice> or are you total okey with what morroco is up to there? 17:07 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: I'm an atheist. How do you think I feel about religious nutbaggery? 17:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway you dont worship Talos? 17:08 < geniice> I'm not sure that is factor in western saharah. I think they are all liberal muslims. Just old fashioned nationalist imperialism 17:09 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: actually I did work on some stories about Talos. But he eas no god. 17:09 < kylu> o/` this is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends... o/` 17:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway you arent a true nord 17:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I like how Syrim has the issue of religious wars in it so nicely and discretely 17:10 < geniice> backed by population transfers. 17:10 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: you've asked me if I'm "totally up" with some activities in some country I've never talked about. 17:11 < Tony_Sidaway> No I'm not because I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. 17:11 -!- LL2|Android [~LL2@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:11 < geniice> well since you don't like the term demographic warefare I can only assume that you support the activities of the moroccan crown in the area 17:12 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:12 < Tony_Sidaway> geniice: that would be silly. 17:13 < geniice> have if you don't understand the concept you shouldn't be throwing around acusations of racism 17:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Overall, my immpression of your contribution to Wikipedia is that you find the silliest objection and push it to the hilt. 17:14 < geniice> fortunately I'm not greatly concerned about your impression 17:15 < Tony_Sidaway> Then you won't be concerned that you're joining the other channel trolls in my ignore list. 17:16 < geniice> given your rather unexpected return and the tone it has taken not reallly no 17:16 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Western_Sahara <-- not a bad intro, considering that it is templated 17:16 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'm a Northern Englishman who went to Londom and joined a whole hoot of people from other nations who also converged on London. 17:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Londom is where everybody goes, eventually. Or maybe New York. 17:18 < Tony_Sidaway> "Regents Park is up the The Battery's down" 17:19 < Tony_Sidaway> London, Lun dun, Londumm. 17:20 < suicidalzerg> Yay, we finally got a hold of some RAID wasp spray. 17:20 -!- StevenW [~textual@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:20 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana] 17:21 < suicidalzerg> And unlike all the cheap, shitty sprays that did absolutely nothing but piss them off, they all dropped like flies when we sprayed them. 17:22 < Soapy> : ) 17:22 < Tony_Sidaway> So your wasps were brand-conscious, or what? 17:22 -!- ceradon [~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:22 -!- kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22 < suicidalzerg> lol 17:23 < suicidalzerg> I swear these things nest in every little crevise they can find. 17:23 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@wikipedia/Wgfinley] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:23 < mareklug> superior SC Johnson technology 17:23 < suicidalzerg> A couple years ago, there were a few hundred of them nesting behind a board on our roof. 17:24 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@wikipedia/Wgfinley] has quit [Client Quit] 17:24 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@wikipedia/Wgfinley] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:24 < suicidalzerg> When we sprayed that area, we decided to use a full can and really get it in there good. 17:24 < Tony_Sidaway> I used to get this from visitors to America. The returnee would always be asked if it was true that in America the burgers were slabs of beef and the drinks were a whole gallon. 17:25 < kylu> the drink thing is close to true at taco bell. c.c 17:25 < Tony_Sidaway> And they'd say "well, actually". 17:25 < suicidalzerg> And they came flooding out. And flooding out. 17:25 < kylu> I swear, if the soda cups get any larger, they'll come with diving boards. 17:26 < suicidalzerg> They came out all across the entire 3 feet of the length of the board on the roof. 17:26 < mareklug> well, actually, a double Baconator burger from Wendy's is a lot of beef, in two slabs and bacon 17:26 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@wikimedia/BarkingFish] has quit [Quit: I used to be a werewolf, but I'm alright nooooOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! :)] 17:26 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26 < suicidalzerg> For about 10 minutes straight, a constant stream of wasps that never slowed came out from behind that board 17:26 < Tony_Sidaway> But no, if you go to a cheap food place you should leave with a full belly. What happens in between entering and leaving is up to the vendor. 17:27 < Soapy> Full Belly Deli 17:27 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng_busy 17:27 < geniice> there are structual issiues once a cup goes much over a meter in size 17:27 -!- Jasper_Deng_busy is now known as Jasper_Deng 17:27 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@wikipedia/Wgfinley] has quit [Client Quit] 17:28 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@76-245-251-34.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:28 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@76-245-251-34.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:28 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@wikipedia/Wgfinley] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:28 < Soapy> yeah 17:28 < suicidalzerg> You could literally hear a dull drone of a wasp swarm just inside the house under where the area they were nesting was. 17:28 < Soapy> at least if you wanted a straw 17:28 < Soapy> itd be pretty hard to suck hard enough to actually get anything 17:29 < Soapy> so maybe a vaccum pump will come with every soda 17:29 < mareklug> nah, Soapy -- they will just sell it in kegs, like frat beer 17:30 < suicidalzerg> lolkegs 17:30 < suicidalzerg> That would go flat so fast 17:30 < mareklug> mebbe there should be a kitchen gizmo to refizz flat coke 17:30 -!- Soapy [Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:30 -!- Soapy [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:31 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EX11Xi4pak 17:32 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: have you heard The Dresden Dolls? 17:32 < Tony_Sidaway> You will get steampunk. Or you will by leaving this channel drop back into the proper history. 17:33 < suicidalzerg> I remember when I was a kid, I accidentally threw a baseball through my window, and it made a nice round hole in my outer window and shit... 17:33 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAnyYTjjhJ0 17:33 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: isn't that lass who married Neil Gaiman a Dresden Doll? 17:33 < mareklug> yup! 17:34 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:34 < mareklug> Amanda Palmer. she recently raised 700k dollars on line for her upcoming record. 17:34 < Soapy> wb phar 17:34 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Neil Gaiman is the ultimate coin operated boy. 17:36 < Tony_Sidaway> Notice her tattoeed eyebrows. 17:36 -!- Qcoder02 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/qcoder02] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:37 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@64.223.228.87] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:37 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@64.223.228.87] has quit [Changing host] 17:37 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:38 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:38 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:38 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:39 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:39 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.youtube.com/user/abneypark 17:40 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:40 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Go there or don't. 17:40 -!- cbm [cbm@willow.toolserver.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:42 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Our underworld isn't filled with fear 17:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Just brass and copper, leather scrap, and rusty gear 17:42 < Tony_Sidaway> You can keep your hip-hop techno-pop-rock schleppin-dub 17:42 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm on my way to a coal-powered underground vintage pub 17:42 < Tony_Sidaway> More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmania.com/steampunk_revolution_lyrics_abney_park.html 17:42 < Tony_Sidaway> All about Abney Park: http://www.musictory.com/music/Abney+Park 17:43 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:43 -!- cbm [cbm@willow.toolserver.org] has left #wikipedia-en [] 17:44 -!- cbm [cbm@wikipedia/cbm] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:44 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:44 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45 -!- CerebrumBot [koder@wikipedia/slakr/bot/CerebrumBot] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:45 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:46 -!- HarryS [H@unaffiliated/harrys] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:47 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:48 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone know how to use the kingbotk AWB plugin, I can't get it to edit 17:48 < cbm> is there a channel op for #en-admins around? 17:49 < kylu> hm 17:49 < kylu> #wikipedia-en-admins yes? 17:49 < suicidalzerg> So we closed the interior shutter on it (We have windows that have essentially glass doors on the inside, with blinds and a little knob to lock it, sort of like a front door/screen door combination.) 17:49 < cbm> kylu: yep 17:49 < kylu> for some unknown reason, I seem to be an op in there. 17:50 < cbm> mind if I msg you? 17:50 < suicidalzerg> So, a few months later, I absentmindedly open that shutter. And what meets my eyes makes me slam it shut so fast it almost breaks the glass on the shutter. 17:50 < kylu> sure, you can massage me... please do work on my shoulders where the straps dig in though. 17:50 < suicidalzerg> There was a wasp nest, about the size of a full-size computer tower, inside of my fucking window. 17:52 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has quit [Quit: Ciao, au revoir, tschüss, bye,] 17:52 < Tony_Sidaway> This is what I'm talking about: Attention, hot hetersesxual guy, hot women: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvhk1vgSttM 17:53 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:54 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has quit [Quit: Earwig] 17:54 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-67-164-37-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:54 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-67-164-37-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:54 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 < mareklug> suicidalzerg: since you abound in wasps, maybe you should consider them for food? :0 http://www.food-insects.com/edible%20species.htm 17:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Wasp pie. 17:58 < Soapy> itd be a bit dangerous now that theyre all full of insect poison 17:58 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 542 seconds] 17:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Eat them now. It's our only hope of isolating the damage to a few corpses that will merge into the vast deluge of London's daily dead. 17:59 < Fluffernutter> o_O 18:00 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:00 -!- svgsponer [~user@178-83-130-59.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Fluffernutter: you'll delete this of course. It never happened. 18:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: just eat them all. Eat them all up! 18:01 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02 < Fluffernutter> ...i think i need to be on whatever drugs you guys are on 18:02 < Soapy> its just tony 18:03 < Tony_Sidaway> And on that note@ 18:03 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXFK82TGh7c&feature=fvwrel 18:03 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:06 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [SeaMonkey 2.8/20120312220748]] 18:06 < Tony_Sidaway> That is a fascinating and beautiful animation. 18:07 < Tony_Sidaway> But here is one that is pure fun: 18:07 -!- Wehwalt [4462af34@wikipedia/Wehwalt] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:08 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1mX8ptsmBM 18:08 -!- svgsponer [~user@178-83-130-59.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has left #wikipedia-en ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 18:11 < Soapy> gah 18:11 < Soapy> anyone with a smartphone tried this new "Google Handwriting" search? 18:11 < Tony_Sidaway> I was watching it and it reached the point where he sets the flying reptile free. 18:12 < Tony_Sidaway> My throat fills with something. Love or whatever it is that fills your throat at such times. 18:12 < mareklug> Soapy this is an android/stylus question? 18:13 < Soapy> no styuls 18:13 < Soapy> youre suppoesed to use your thumb 18:13 < suicidalzerg> O_O 18:13 < suicidalzerg> -19:02:35- (Fluffernutter) ...i think i need to be on whatever drugs you guys are on 18:13 < suicidalzerg> I second that 18:13 < Soapy> it totally fails though 18:13 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:13 < Soapy> yhou have to draw reeeeallly slow 18:14 < Soapy> i mean, the handwriting recognition is pretty good 18:14 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14 < Soapy> but you have to pause between every letter or it thinks youre trying to write on top of the existing letter 18:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Eye of Storm bloke, in dress and temperament, is basically Number One Daughter. 18:15 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 18:15 < Soapy> also, it seems to make all icons stop working 18:15 < Tony_Sidaway> My daughter is a cartoon character. 18:16 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17 < kylu> So's Holli from Cool World, Tony. 18:17 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:20 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtT2QeJtUOA&feature=related 18:20 -!- Luvbutrfly [~Luvbutrfl@pool-74-96-254-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:20 -!- Luvbutrfly [~Luvbutrfl@pool-74-96-254-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:20 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:20 < Tony_Sidaway> kylu: Holli from Cool World isn't your daughter. That's where my problems begin. 18:22 < kylu> I'd trade kids, but I don't think you'd want mine. 18:23 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:23 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has quit [Quit: goodbye.] 18:24 -!- lahwran [lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:24 < lahwran> typical xchat-aqua 18:25 < lahwran> it seems insistent on making me leave all my channels when I disconnect from znc 18:25 < wctaiwan> x-chat aqua is.. dead, isn't it? 18:25 < lahwran> as of like 10 years ago 18:26 < lahwran> but, crappy as it is, show me an equivalently good free irc client for mac :p 18:26 * lahwran has yet to find any 18:26 < kylu> lah: making you leave all your channels in all server tabs, or just the one you connected through ZNC to get? 18:26 < wctaiwan> isn't xchat azure the direct successor? 18:27 < lahwran> I thought azure was just a recompile 18:27 < wctaiwan> probably 18:27 < lahwran> oh sweet, it's not 18:27 -!- NTox [~NTox@wikipedia/NTox] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:27 * lahwran tries it 18:28 < Tony_Sidaway> irc isn't rocket science. ircii and irssii work quite well. 18:28 < wctaiwan> and I went from Colloquy to a build of Textual that's available for free (due to the BSD license for the code, normally it'd be 5 bucks if you buy it from the developer). 18:28 < Tony_Sidaway> irssi 18:28 < wctaiwan> I like it fairly well. 18:28 < kylu> Tony: and BitchX. ;) 18:29 < wctaiwan> http://inzain.net/textual-builds/ if you're cheap like I am >.> 18:29 < wctaiwan> the only good thing about bitchX is the name >.> 18:29 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't do BitchX but possibly that's because of the stupid name. 18:30 < Soapy> hi NTox 18:30 < NTox> Hey, Soapy. 18:30 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention <--- I see youve been busy 18:31 < NTox> Quite. Chuckle. 18:31 < NTox> I did not expect there to be that many. 18:32 < NTox> Let's hope for 100% accuracy, even in this subjective venue... 18:32 < Soapy> where did you find those names? 18:32 < NTox> Filter 149, Filter 188, Filter 354, WP:UAA/HP and CAT:UAA. 18:32 < NTox> Believe it or not, every one of those was just from Filter 149, in the last seven days. 18:33 < NTox> And that's not including the ones that have already been blocked. 18:33 < Soapy> ok 18:34 < NTox> Feel free to help if you're ever bored. There's really one person that ever patrols those filters . . occasionally someone else and I will help 18:35 < Soapy> daniel case? 18:35 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:36 < NTox> Nah. Daniel does the blocking, but it's User:Pharaoh of the Wizards that does the patrolling 18:37 < mareklug> wctaiwan: i dunno. i switched off the bubbles in Colloquy and that made the crashing stop. it's good enough for my needs and it's look does not offend me. i only wish i could actually find things in the scroll back, but that just doesn't work for me. 18:38 < mareklug> its 18:38 -!- hoo_ [~Miranda@wikipedia/Hoo-man] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:38 < Soapy> ok 18:40 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:40 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:41 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone know about the Wikipedia 1.0 or Wikipedia on Dvd things? 18:41 -!- hoo [~Miranda@wikipedia/Hoo-man] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:44 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Client Quit] 18:45 -!- cbm [cbm@wikipedia/cbm] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:47 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri: you looked here? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_on_CD/DVD 18:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh Wikipedia 1.0. That involved a few releases on hard media, or was supposed to. What became of that? 18:49 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o eir] by ChanServ 18:49 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-bo *!*@108-206-231-41.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net eir] by eir 18:51 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:52 < Tony_Sidaway> This is what you need to know about democracy in America: its implmentation is subject to the whims of elected representatives: 18:52 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#48708965 18:53 < wctaiwan> mareklug: search worked fine for me when I used it... 18:53 < Tony_Sidaway> I'n shocked at this, partly because in my country people like my wifr are employed by the state to make sure _everybody_ gets to vote. 18:54 < mattbuck> ah, florida 18:54 < mattbuck> did you know about the ogio ones? 18:54 < mattbuck> *ohio 18:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Ohio and Pennsylvania too. 18:54 < mattbuck> there was expanded early voting in republican counties but reduced in democrat ones 18:54 < Tony_Sidaway> The corruption is so bad it hurts. 18:54 < mattbuck> there are about 20 states which have introduced new voter suppression laws 18:54 < wctaiwan> Romney 2012! 18:55 * wctaiwan hides 18:55 < BlastHardcheese> Tony_Sidaway: as opposed to the rest of the world, where... 18:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Fucking wankers. 18:55 < mattbuck> I blame the perpetual campaign 18:55 < mattbuck> there's a lot to be said for the old British system where there are limits on a parliamentary session, but an election can be called at any time 18:55 < Tony_Sidaway> BlastHardcheese: as opposed to Britain where, as I remarked, non-partisan people have to go around and make sure everybody gets to vote. 18:55 < mattbuck> namely the election process is about a month long rather than 2 years 18:56 < mattbuck> I mean, I enjoy american politics, but ffs this election has been going on for over a year and it's still almost 90 days until voting starts 18:57 < Tony_Sidaway> My wife does have strongly socialist views, but she puts those aside and does her job. Every household must list its members of voting age and those close to voting age. 18:58 < kylu> ���/me gives kylu's share of dealing with American politics to mattbuck.� 18:58 < kylu> ...f'ing ctcp. 18:59 -!- Maryana [~justdandy@108-231-76-185.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:59 -!- Maryana [~justdandy@108-231-76-185.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:59 -!- Maryana [~justdandy@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:59 < Tony_Sidaway> And the state pays my wife to ensure that we all get to vote. 18:59 < wctaiwan> OK. UK's brilliant, we get it >.> 18:59 < wctaiwan> oh and the US sucks. 18:59 < Tony_Sidaway> ANd if some nut tried to tell us we needed ID to vote, we'd fucking kick him out of town. 19:00 < Soapy> what, really? 19:00 < Soapy> you can vote in the UK with no photo ID? 19:00 < mattbuck> yeah 19:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes. 19:00 < mattbuck> you should bring your poll card, but even that;'s not required 19:00 < wctaiwan> (the issue is mostly 'don't repeat yourself') 19:00 < Soapy> how do they prevent fraud 19:00 < Tony_Sidaway> They already know who you are. Just vote already. 19:00 < Soapy> couldnt the same person go in 12 times, saying he's 12 different people? 19:00 < mattbuck> there is occasional voter fraud, or problems 19:01 < mattbuck> they do have poll workers 19:01 < Tony_Sidaway> There is no incentive to fake the vote. It would be too obvious. 19:01 -!- Maryana [~justdandy@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01 < mattbuck> but generally everything works out fine 19:01 * kylu wonders how the US would do if they made it mandatory to vote (like Australia). 19:01 < wctaiwan> how would it be too obvious? 19:01 < mattbuck> and 99.99% of those people who vote do without issue 19:01 < wctaiwan> kylu: socialist plot to destroy the country 19:01 < mattbuck> I can understand the desire to demand ID 19:02 < kylu> Maybe require you vote to receive public benefits or take tax exemptions. 19:02 < mattbuck> but access to voting should be made easier, not harder 19:02 < Tony_Sidaway> wctaiwan: well the people at the polling stations (did I mention that my wife also does that?) would notice. 19:03 < wctaiwan> okay, well, I'll go vote after I've had my morning coffee. And then just before dinner I'll go give my candidate a boost again... 19:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Believe me, the main problem faced by democracies is that not enough people bother to vote. 19:03 -!- Headbomb_ [~chatzilla@Wikipedia/Headbomb] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:03 < wctaiwan> possibly wearing contacts instead of glasses. 19:03 < Tony_Sidaway> wctaiwan: wouldn't your name have been marked off on the list? 19:04 < Tony_Sidaway> WHen you went back they'd notice that. 19:04 < mattbuck> I am actually in opposition to some new democracy 19:04 < Tony_Sidaway> This is how it works in the UK. 19:04 < wctaiwan> meh. 19:04 < Soapy> youd go back and say youre some different person 19:04 < mattbuck> they're trying to get police superintendants or something elected 19:04 < mattbuck> which seems like an incredibly bad idea to me 19:04 < wctaiwan> I honestly don't think requiring an ID to vote is unreasonable. 19:04 < wctaiwan> it protects the voters. 19:05 < mattbuck> accountability fine, but most people don't even know their MP's name, let alone anything about the opposition 19:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: you could do that, yes. But how many people do that? Statistic suggests that in-person voter fraud is almost non-existent. 19:05 < mattbuck> and how would I know anything about what is required to lead the police? it's not a political office, it's a bureaucratic job 19:05 < mattbuck> wctaiwan, I agree, it's not unreasonable if a few conditions are satisfied 19:06 < mattbuck> 1) the ID is easy to get and free to get 19:06 < mattbuck> 2) everyone knows what ID they need 19:06 < mattbuck> 3) everyone has some form of acceptable ID 19:06 -!- Headbomb [~chatzilla@Wikipedia/Headbomb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06 < Tony_Sidaway> It's hard enough persuading people to register and vote. We do not need some wiseguy to come in and make it harder. 19:06 -!- Headbomb_ is now known as Headbomb 19:07 < Tony_Sidaway> You absolutely don't need ID. 19:07 < Tony_Sidaway> Just show up and vote. 19:07 < mattbuck> but, the voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem 19:07 < mattbuck> studies in america have shown that 19:07 < harej> Debate on voter ID = I'm outta here 19:07 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has left #wikipedia-en ["http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."] 19:07 < mattbuck> 1) there is very little voter fraud to begin with 19:07 < mattbuck> 2) that fraud which does happen would not be prevented by voter ID laws 19:08 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:08 < Tony_Sidaway> Yep, if you want to fake the vote, use absentee ballots. 19:08 -!- Bradford [b5b666fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.102.254] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:09 < Tony_Sidaway> No ID required. 19:09 < BlastHardcheese> not like it matters who you vote for anyway, since a politician can do whatever he wants once elected 19:10 < mattbuck> I believe in representative democracy 19:10 < mattbuck> I was elected as president of my uni hall of residence 19:10 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:10 < mattbuck> I sit on SU council as their representative 19:10 < wctaiwan> hey, Dcoetzee :) 19:10 < mattbuck> but I don't ask for their advice on matters like that 19:10 < Dcoetzee> Hey :-) 19:10 < mattbuck> I figure 19:10 < mattbuck> 1) they don't care 19:10 < Tony_Sidaway> It obviously does matter who you vote for in America. Would McCain and Palin have done what Obama did? 19:10 < Bradford> Hi 19:11 < BlastHardcheese> what, approved assassinations of national enemies? 19:11 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11 < mattbuck> 2) they elected me to represent them, that means they decided they trusted my judgement and therefore what i think is a suitable opinion 19:11 < mattbuck> 3) they don't care 19:11 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: A more interesting question is: does who you vote for matter in the long run? Or will "enough" people of each party eventually get elected to do all the things they all want to do? 19:11 < BlastHardcheese> or maybe gave bailouts to corporate friends? 19:12 < Bradford> ok 19:12 < mattbuck> I know who I vote for doesn't matter 19:12 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle 19:12 < mattbuck> I live in a safe tory seat 19:12 < Tony_Sidaway> BlastHardcheese: you're asking if McCain would have departed from longstanding American policy. 19:12 < BlastHardcheese> ...that was my point 19:13 < wctaiwan> mmm conservatism 19:13 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:13 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13 < mattbuck> I also believe that one of the main things about representative democracy is NOT asking the people, because they will be self-interested 19:13 < Bradford> ok 19:13 < mareklug> who you vote for has major repercussions in appointments to the judiciary 19:13 < mattbuck> you ask someone if they want better schools or £1 lower taxes, they'll choose the taxes 19:13 < Bradford> ok 19:13 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: Not all voters are self-interested and unable to choose what best benefits society... 19:13 < Bradford> ok 19:14 < mattbuck> Dcoetzee, agreed, but en masse they are 19:14 < Dcoetzee> Probably true 19:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Dcoetzee: well I feel pretty shocked at the way the Republican Party has gone to parts of the right that I had previously assumed to be off-limits on grounds of sanity. 19:14 < mattbuck> people care about specific things, but everyone cares about themselves 19:14 < Bradford> ok :) 19:14 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:14 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: I'll broadly agree with that. They've seemingly abandoned trying to be relevant to the centre. 19:14 < wctaiwan> hello, SigmaWP 19:14 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:14 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14 < mattbuck> people with children who don't go to private schools will choose the schools, but most other people... 19:14 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Hi. 19:14 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:14 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:15 < mattbuck> same with the AV referendum we had last year 19:15 * SigmaWP eyes wctaiwan suspiciously 19:15 < mattbuck> that shouldn;t have been a referendum, it should have just been done 19:15 < Bradford> ok 19:15 < wctaiwan> huh? 19:15 < Bradford> ok 19:15 < Tony_Sidaway> So given that, obviously I think we need to have some sane governance. Whichis bascically Obama and a restored Senate and House. 19:15 < SigmaWP> Capitalism sucks 19:15 < SigmaWP> And so do socks 19:15 < wctaiwan> capitalism is great 19:15 < Bradford> ok :(ç 19:15 < wctaiwan> Bradford: what are you doing, exactly? :P 19:16 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: In California pretty recently a Proposition to postpone enactment of environmental legislation failed. Supporters argued the economy was slow and people are hit hard. Apparently people can think about long term consequences sometimes. 19:16 < mareklug> Bradford: are you an Open Boot interpreter? 19:16 < SigmaWP> That's because you were lucky, wctaiwan 19:16 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: aw shut it 19:16 < mattbuck> Dcoetzee, not saying it's always true, but it is mostly 19:16 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:16 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:16 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:16 < Bradford> mareklug: No, I just want to talk to someone 19:17 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: That's true... I wouldn't have been so surprised at that outcome if it weren't :-P 19:17 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Also, when earwig comes you must tell him you advocate Python 3 19:17 < SigmaWP> He needs to convert... 19:17 < wctaiwan> hah. 19:17 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: Gay marriage is another good example... in each of the referendums held so far somewhere between 40-50% of people voted in favour of it, even though clearly most of them aren't gay. 19:17 < Bradford> wctaiwan: speak Spanish 19:18 -!- lucasoutloud [~anonymous@wikipedia/lucasoutloud] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:18 < Dcoetzee> Although they may be affected through family, etc. 19:18 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: it's of no consequence to you if you're not religiously affected to think that it's morally wrong. 19:18 < mattbuck> maybe 19:18 < mattbuck> but again, it's something which should never have been voted on 19:18 -!- ToBeFree [~tobefree@unaffiliated/tobefree] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18 < mattbuck> civil rights should not be voted on 19:18 < wctaiwan> (as in, supporting it can't possibly affect your life in any significant manner) 19:18 < Dcoetzee> Well yeah 19:19 < Dcoetzee> But if you can get it through referendum you don't have to worry about a court battle later, so that's nice. 19:19 < wctaiwan> Prop 8. 19:19 < Tony_Sidaway> "In California pretty recently a Proposition to postpone enactment of environmental legislation failed. Supporters argued the economy was slow and people are hit hard. Apparently people can think about long term consequences sometimes. 19:19 < Tony_Sidaway> " 19:19 < Tony_Sidaway> I think that suggest the reverse! 19:20 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20 < Tony_Sidaway> People ignoring long term consequences, for whatever reasons. 19:20 < mattbuck> well, not necessarily true Dcoetzee 19:20 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: You could argue it's just people not caring about the unemployed :-) 19:20 < Soapy> im glad I dont have to live in California 19:20 < SigmaWP> Ugh 19:20 < SigmaWP> I hate RPP 19:20 < mattbuck> prop 8 happened because that was the way to get it repealed 19:20 < SigmaWP> All the wannabe admins are !voting there 19:20 < mattbuck> the anti-gay rights groups would have had no standing to appeal the law 19:21 < Tony_Sidaway> Dcoetzee: no, it's what it is: a state avoiding environmental legislation on short term grounds. 19:21 < mattbuck> especially because most of them were out of state 19:21 < wctaiwan> mattbuck: the US is funny like that, I think. 19:21 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RPP that's weird 19:21 < Soapy> Ive never seen "voting" on RPP before 19:21 < Soapy> is that a very new phenomenom? 19:21 < SigmaWP> No 19:21 < SigmaWP> A few weeks now 19:21 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: California is a specific flavor, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia 19:21 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: The Proposition was mostly funded by big oil companies. No surprise... 19:21 < SigmaWP> I can't think of anything snarky and policy-related to say to them, either 19:21 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: bring it up on VPR? 19:21 < wctaiwan> I agree that it shouldn't be happening. 19:22 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: California doesn't generally avoid environmental legislation, at least compared to other US states. 19:22 < wctaiwan> maybe not VPR… not so much a policy thing 19:22 < Dcoetzee> They have really strict emissions laws, industrial standards, etc. 19:22 < Soapy> yeah 19:22 < Soapy> California is like a whole other country 19:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I can't believe that Ecotopia is an actual book. 19:23 < lucasoutloud> what is it about? 19:23 < mareklug> an actual famous book 19:23 < SigmaWP> [19:22:43] �<�Soapy�>� California is like a whole other country 19:23 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: I'm serious. If you don't raise it I probably would. 19:23 < lucasoutloud> Hmm. If it so famous, then why haven't I heard of it 19:23 < Tony_Sidaway> States _exist_ to impose emissions laws, to exact taxes and whatnot. If you don't like that, fuck off somwhere else. 19:23 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: I'll try to talk to them 19:23 < mareklug> lucasoutloud: how old are you? 19:23 < wctaiwan> I think there's a fallacy describing precisely that, lucasoutloud 19:23 < lucasoutloud> oh, neat 19:24 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 19:24 < wctaiwan> ("if I haven't heard of it, surely it's not famous") 19:24 < lucasoutloud> mareklug: 16, so if it is an older thing then that is perhaps why 19:24 < Soapy> ha 19:24 < Soapy> you just called us all old 19:24 < lucasoutloud> No I did not 19:24 < lucasoutloud> older is relative 19:24 < mareklug> lucasoutloud: perfect. go check it out from your library. 19:24 < lucasoutloud> mareklug: Well, wait, I want to know what it's about first. 19:25 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia 19:25 < Tony_Sidaway> Could you chaps please stop attacking lucasoutloud for being young? 19:25 < lucasoutloud> Eh? They aren't attacking me 19:25 < SigmaWP> Elduen: Sorry, I was only seeing if there were limits 19:25 < lucasoutloud> Not in the slightest. 19:26 < Elduen> Nonetheless that was really dumb. 19:26 < SigmaWP> Indeed, but WP:BEANS 19:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, beans. My point was that California has laws which are quite sensible. 19:27 < lucasoutloud> Augh, both of my web browsers aren't getting anywhere 19:27 < Tony_Sidaway> You don't like the laws? Fine. Don't live in California. 19:27 < Dcoetzee> Generally I assume if someone hasn't heard of something it's because their interests lie elsewhere rather than youth :-P But I agree that it wasn't really an attack. 19:27 < Dcoetzee> I hadn't heard of the book either. 19:28 < lucasoutloud> Tony_Sidaway: More like don't live anywhere but antartica 19:28 < Tony_Sidaway> Attack or not, it went on for quite a while and seemed to comprise speculation about somebody's age. 19:28 < Dcoetzee> And...? 19:29 < Dcoetzee> Speculating about someone's age may be a little rude but it's no big deal :-P 19:29 < Tony_Sidaway> lucasoutloud: please explain your reasoning. Why should I go to live at the South Pole? 19:29 < lucasoutloud> no laws 19:29 < lucasoutloud> is my point 19:29 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: The argument is that every place has some laws you disagree with. 19:29 < Soapy> there's some laws there 19:29 < Dcoetzee> I think that's true of everyone. 19:29 < lucasoutloud> Soapy: Really? 19:30 * mattbuck speculates that Dcoetzee is actually a penguin 19:30 < Dcoetzee> There aren't laws in Antarctica because it's not a nation. Same with international waters and also the moon. 19:30 < lucasoutloud> Oh, and another thing, as long as I've been on IRC networks it has always been standard to speculate eachother's ages. 19:30 < Soapy> Antractica's all owned by various countries 19:30 < Tony_Sidaway> So is the point,as made, that California isn't so bad after all, because it had pretty decent laws? 19:30 < Tony_Sidaway> If so I agree. 19:30 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi 19:30 < mattbuck> yeah, we British claim antarctica 19:30 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan 19:30 < mattbuck> part of it anyway 19:31 < Dcoetzee> Antarctica is not a part of any nation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System 19:31 < Soapy> and the US and Chile and Norway and S Africa and Australi and a few others I think 19:31 < Dcoetzee> "The treaty, entering into force in 1961 and currently having 49 signatory nations, sets aside Antarctica as a scientific preserve, establishes freedom of scientific investigation and bans military activity on that continent." 19:31 < mareklug> mattbuck: I believe the Nrwegians got there first... 19:32 < Soapy> some people think Antarctica once had an aboriginal population descended from South Americans 19:32 < mattbuck> not relevant mareklug 19:32 < mattbuck> we claim it anyway 19:32 < lucasoutloud> Wait, really? 19:32 < mattbuck> but not all of it 19:32 < mattbuck> we're not greedy 19:32 < Soapy> i 19:32 < SigmaWP> [19:32:21] �<�mattbuck�>� we're not greedy 19:32 < SigmaWP> lol 19:32 < Dcoetzee> I wonder does the Justice League headquarters in Antarctica violate the Treaty? 19:33 < Soapy> i'd be curious, though, could you just go to antartcica and live there permanently if you were a fugitive? not that I'd expect you'd survive, since you cant grow food there 19:33 < SigmaWP> mattbuck: While capitalism is capitalism people will be paid to be greedy 19:33 < mattbuck> yes, and that's why capitalism is a bad idea 19:33 < Soapy> and youd have a better chance of survival living somewhere in the USA hard to find 19:33 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: [19:33:18] �<�mattbuck�>� yes, and that's why capitalism is a bad idea 19:33 < SigmaWP> HA! 19:33 < mattbuck> unfortunately it works better than most other things 19:33 < mattbuck> communism is great except it goes against human nature 19:33 < lucasoutloud> oh hey sigma. It's been a while. 19:33 < Tony_Sidaway> My favourite map is one that shows where tax money comes from and where it goes to. 19:34 < SigmaWP> lucasoutloud: hi 19:34 < lucasoutloud> :3 19:34 < Dcoetzee> Soapy: I dunno if the Treaty bans police action in Antarctica. I assume in such a situation the UN could work something out. 19:34 < lucasoutloud> Tony_Sidaway: I don't suppose you can provide a link to it? 19:34 < Tony_Sidaway> Tax money tends to come from "blue states" that have Democratic legislators and whatnot. It goes to the "Red states" where the raving loonies are in charge. 19:34 < Soapy> apparently there's a law against hunting penguins in Antarctica 19:35 < mattbuck> Tony_Sidaway, it's america 19:35 < mattbuck> by any sensible standard they're all raving loonies 19:35 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:35 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:35 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:35 < lucasoutloud> Our votes for president don't even count. 19:35 < lucasoutloud> ;~; 19:35 < Dcoetzee> Soapy: Any nation is free to criminalise activity happening outside its borders. Some African nations for example make all sodomy illegal no matter where it occurs. 19:36 < Dcoetzee> Soapy: However, unless someone enters their nation, they have no sovereignty to enforce it. 19:36 < Dcoetzee> (unless they can somehow secure extradition) 19:36 < SigmaWP> bye 19:36 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps 19:37 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_states_by_federal_tax_revenue.svg 19:37 < wctaiwan> lol Mother Jones. 19:37 < Soapy> never mind, my map is uesless because it isnt per capita 19:37 < mattbuck> who is mother jones anyway 19:38 < Dcoetzee> She ain't my mother 19:38 -!- ceradon [~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:38 < Tony_Sidaway> It's the American trade union journal. 19:38 < Elduen> mattbuck: As an American, I'm a raving loonie, but not for the reasons that many of us are raving loonies. 19:38 < wctaiwan> also pretty liberal (by US standards) 19:39 -!- ToBeFree [~tobefree@unaffiliated/tobefree] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, MJ is liberal. Doesn't entertaining loony ideas about the President's birth. Practically _raving_ liberl! 19:40 < lucasoutloud> you spelled liberal wrong 19:40 < Dcoetzee> Obviously he's one of those liberal spelling reformists 19:40 * suicidalzerg shaves clean for the first time in a while 19:40 < Tony_Sidaway> See how it works? Being intelligent and honest makes you an extremist. 19:40 < lucasoutloud> >liberal spelling reformists 19:40 < lucasoutloud> I lol'd 19:41 < Dcoetzee> :-) 19:41 < Tony_Sidaway> lucasoutloud: I lolllerated (with three ells). 19:41 < lucasoutloud> oh my 19:41 * Dcoetzee roflcopters? 19:41 -!- Toastu [~ThePonyTo@c-68-33-208-17.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:42 < lucasoutloud> I have way too many userboxes on my page 19:42 < lucasoutloud> But I love it 19:42 -!- PonyToast [ThePonyToa@celestiaradio/RDisBestPony/PonyToast] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:43 * wctaiwan shoots down Dcoetzee's roflcoptr 19:43 -!- hoo_ [~Miranda@wikipedia/Hoo-man] has quit [Quit: hoo_] 19:43 < Tony_Sidaway> I fought in the userbox war and I'm proud of my stance. WIkipedia doesn't need your fucking stupid pronouceements of personal opinion. Wikipedia _demands_ that you set those opinions aside. 19:43 < wctaiwan> pew pew 19:44 < lucasoutloud> Dude, they are just adornments for userpages. 19:44 < Tony_Sidaway> No they are not. 19:44 < lucasoutloud> Yes they are. 19:44 < Tony_Sidaway> "I speak French quite well" is a userbox I had on my page. 19:45 < Dcoetzee> "The law of the United States, including certain criminal offenses by or against U.S. nationals, such as murder, may apply to areas not under jurisdiction of other countries. To this end, the United States now stations special deputy U.S. Marshals in Antarctica to provide a law enforcement presence." 19:45 < lucasoutloud> Well, did you speak french well? 19:45 -!- andrewcrawford [~andrewcra@cpc3-cast8-2-0-cust294.20-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:45 < suicidalzerg> My userbox: Anyone who willingly uses Windows over Linux with reasonable alternative programs shouldn't use computers :p 19:45 < Dcoetzee> ...U.S. Marshal in Antarctica has to be the easiest job in the world. 19:45 * suicidalzerg wishes Starcraft 2 would run natively on Linux... 19:45 < Tony_Sidaway> At the height of the userbox insanity, we had people lining up as Democrats, Republicans, and what all else. 19:45 < Tony_Sidaway> This was fucking toxi. 19:45 < kylu> DC: and yet cold. 19:45 < wctaiwan> not really. It's gotta be pretty sucky, living in antarctica 19:45 < Tony_Sidaway> toxic. 19:45 < suicidalzerg> If it would, then I'd switch in a heartbeat 19:45 < lucasoutloud> suicidalzerg: what about people who are stuck with a mac they inherited 19:45 < mattbuck> but you could hunt penguins 19:46 < suicidalzerg> I would avoid a mac like the plague either way 19:46 < lucasoutloud> The software isn't bad 19:46 < lucasoutloud> the hardware is just overpriced 19:46 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [] 19:46 < suicidalzerg> It's the fact that it's locked down to hell and back 19:46 < mareklug> "This user loves Avril Lavigne and thinks she is The Best Damn Thing" <-- well, one commendable user box, at least(and I haven't seen it b4) 19:46 < Dcoetzee> suicidalzerg: You can still run Linux in a VM :-) 19:46 < lucasoutloud> It's not as locked down as a windows machine 19:47 < suicidalzerg> Dcoetzee: But I want SC2 to run natively on Linux :p 19:47 < Tony_Sidaway> lucasoutloud: je parle aussi being qu'aucun rosbif! 19:47 < Dcoetzee> suicidalzerg: Blizzard is never going to port it in a million years :-P 19:47 < lucasoutloud> Sorry, I can only Spanish and Englips 19:47 < suicidalzerg> Exactly >.> 19:47 < Tony_Sidaway> being? bien 19:47 < Dcoetzee> ...je pense que Tony ne parle pas vraiment francais 19:48 < lucasoutloud> only five of my userboxes are serious opinions 19:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Well that's what I said. 19:48 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:48 < lucasoutloud> and at that they don't affect how I edit 19:48 < Tony_Sidaway> But I've edit French Wikipedia. 19:48 < lucasoutloud> oh wait, make that 6 19:48 < lucasoutloud> but still 19:48 < Dcoetzee> I'm a Commons admin so I've edited like, almost every Wikipedia ;-) 19:48 < Dcoetzee> Mostly just to add or replace images. 19:48 < Tony_Sidaway> I really think we should drop our opinions at the door. 19:49 < Soapy> To this end, the United States now stations special deputy U.S. Marshals in Antarctica to provide a law enforcement presence." <--- ha 19:49 < lucasoutloud> The only edit I've done on ES wikipedia was my userpage 19:49 < Soapy> indeed 19:49 < Soapy> that would be an interesting job 19:49 < lucasoutloud> I'm a bit timid to do much more 19:49 * mattbuck high-fives Dcoetzee 19:49 * Dcoetzee highfives :-) 19:49 < lucasoutloud> And, Tony_Sidaway, if our opinions don 19:49 < lucasoutloud> 't affect our editing, why make a big deal out of it? 19:49 < lucasoutloud> augh I hate hitting the enter button too early 19:50 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:50 < Tony_Sidaway> lucasoutloud: I'm not the one making a big deal out of it. If you have a userbox expressing an opinion, _you_ are the one making a big deal of it. 19:50 < lucasoutloud> not really 19:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, really. 19:51 < lucasoutloud> just copypasting some text for a little flair 19:51 < Soapy> I used to have a keyboard with a gap between apostrophe and Enter 19:51 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a fact. Own that fact. 19:51 < Soapy> it was convenient 19:51 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: I'd honestly characterise it more as "this page is for giving information about me, so here are some interesting things about me" 19:51 < lucasoutloud> I mean, come on, just look at my page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lucasoutloud 19:51 < Soapy> there was also a gap between caps lock and A 19:51 < Dcoetzee> In fact, I'd consider most userboxes relevant to a person's editing interests and biases. 19:51 < Dcoetzee> Since people edit things of interest to them. 19:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Don't use your user page or any other part of Wikipedia to promote your beliefs. 19:51 -!- andrewcrawford [~andrewcra@cpc3-cast8-2-0-cust294.20-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Just don't. 19:51 < Tony_Sidaway> This isn't rocket science. 19:52 < lucasoutloud> Nah I'm going to do what I want to. 19:52 < lucasoutloud> :| 19:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Well there you go. 19:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Just don't do it. 19:52 < Dcoetzee> I think it's to everyone's benefit for people to use as many userboxes as they feel like, indiscriminately. 19:52 < lucasoutloud> Oh, does anyone here know about chemboxes? I can't seem to get the hang of it? 19:52 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Obviously it isn't to anybody's benefit. It's just crapping all over the principle of a neutral encycplopedia. 19:53 < lucasoutloud> It's not like it's in article space, though. 19:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Don't do itr. 19:53 < Tony_Sidaway> It's in the wiki. 19:53 < lucasoutloud> Don't tell me what to do. 19:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Duh. 19:53 < lucasoutloud> Userpages are made for such a purpose. 19:54 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm telling you. Just live with that. Own it 19:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Userpages aren't for crapping all over Wikipedia. 19:54 < lucasoutloud> No. 19:54 < mattbuck> Tony_Sidaway, neutrality is kind of a flawed idea 19:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Get a blog. 19:54 < lucasoutloud> I have a blog. 19:54 < lucasoutloud> I just like userboxes. 19:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Put the userboxes on your blog. 19:54 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: The Userbox Wars have raged for many years. Don't get caught up in them. :-) 19:54 < lucasoutloud> No. 19:54 < mattbuck> I mean, yes, be neutral in your edits, but if you're neutral on everything it's likely you're also apathetic and so not interested in editing the article 19:55 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: Just ignore them. 19:55 < lucasoutloud> Besides, userboxes help users find out eachothers interests and potentially find help with editing articles relevant to those interests. 19:55 < Dcoetzee> It's very clear that policy currently permits the use of userboxes in such a manner, so don't worry about it. 19:56 < lucasoutloud> I'm not worried about it. 19:56 < lucasoutloud> I do sort of like the debate. Very lively. 19:56 < Tony_Sidaway> lucasoutloud: just think about that. It's a way for people to find others of similar points of view in order to subvert the wiki principle. 19:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Okay this is where I leave. I will not bother to argue with userbox loonies. 19:56 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:57 < Dcoetzee> ... 19:57 < lucasoutloud> Oh damn. 19:57 < mareklug> jeez 19:57 < Dcoetzee> He calls *us* userbox loonies 19:57 < lucasoutloud> He left before I could respond. 19:57 < lucasoutloud> What an oddball. 19:57 < Dcoetzee> When he's the one saying userboxes are used to create conspiracies. 19:57 < Dcoetzee> I mean really? 19:57 < lucasoutloud> Wait, he seriously said that? 19:57 < Dcoetzee> "It's a way for people to find others of similar points of view in order to subvert the wiki principle." 19:57 < harej> yo, can a PAC's custodian of records be the same as the treasurer? 19:57 < mareklug> lucasoutloud: so which Avril do you like the best? 19:57 < lucasoutloud> Oh, I thought that was a direct quote 19:58 < Dcoetzee> Paraphrasing :-) 19:58 < lucasoutloud> mareklug: I was unaware there was more than one 19:58 < mareklug> she hanes with every album 19:58 < Dcoetzee> I like Avril's first album the most 19:58 * mareklug changes 19:58 < mattbuck> harej, watch the colbert report, that probably explained it at some point 19:58 < Dcoetzee> It was all downhill from there. 19:58 < Dcoetzee> And fast. 19:58 < mattbuck> the latest avril lavigne album was good 19:58 < Gfoley4> heh 19:58 < lucasoutloud> ;~; 19:58 < mattbuck> and first one was also decent 19:58 < Dcoetzee> Hmmm 19:58 < mattbuck> middle two a bit meh, but with some good tracks 19:58 < lucasoutloud> I haven't torrented any Avril music yet but I have been meaning to 19:58 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: Any decent singles off her latest album I should hear? 19:58 < lucasoutloud> Used to listen to her on the radio all the time 19:59 < harej> mattbuck: FEC.gov says yes 19:59 < mattbuck> wish you were here 19:59 < mattbuck> alice 19:59 < mattbuck> what the hell 20:00 * Dcoetzee youtubes 20:00 < lucasoutloud> augh my internet is so slow the only thing that works is IRC 20:00 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:00 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: smile. or surely you've seen/heard it? 20:01 < mattbuck> latest kelly clarkson album is also worth listening to 20:01 -!- quanticle is now known as quanticle|away 20:01 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 20:01 < mareklug> mattbuck: well, if you're gonna go there, try Marina and the Diamonds 20:02 < lucasoutloud> Hmm, I wonder if Wikibooks does video game guides. 20:02 < lucasoutloud> That'd be interesting. 20:02 < Jasper_Deng> lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kbm_An_N_not_sock_BM_Ab 20:02 < Jasper_Deng> oh the irony 20:02 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: Sorry "Wish You Were Here" is a miss for me :-P Overproduced even for Avril. 20:02 < lucasoutloud> >not sock 20:02 < lucasoutloud> what 20:02 < Jasper_Deng> the username... when that account is very obviously a sock of someone's 20:03 < lucasoutloud> yeah, I know 20:03 -!- the_derp [ae5cdf76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.92.223.118] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:03 < Jasper_Deng> probably Rolandhelper 20:03 < Dcoetzee> Which surprises me cause I really liked "I'm With You" which is kinda similar 20:03 -!- the_derp [ae5cdf76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.92.223.118] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03 < lucasoutloud> I just am surprised by how obvious he is going for it 20:03 < Jasper_Deng> there's also 20:03 < Jasper_Deng> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TbaldieirnfiktrojanBM 20:03 -!- Miniz [~wat@2001:0:4137:9e76:386c:252b:51a3:2089] has quit [] 20:04 < Jasper_Deng> please block the first sock 20:04 < lucasoutloud> The only sock I've ever messed with is Fresh Beat Band 20:04 < lucasoutloud> guy was crazy 20:04 < lucasoutloud> even made a youtube account 20:04 < lucasoutloud> called "Wikipedia Help" 20:08 < mattbuck> commons has sridhar_babu 20:08 < mattbuck> who has about 1000 socks "sridar_#" 20:09 < lucasoutloud> they didn't do a rangeban? 20:09 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: Try web browsing with Javascript and images turned off 20:09 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: You should get reasonable performance 20:09 < lucasoutloud> >images turned 20:09 < lucasoutloud> off 20:09 < lucasoutloud> But as much as I go on 4chan that would be unreasonable 20:09 < mareklug> what is your mac model? 20:09 < lucasoutloud> 2006 iMac 20:09 < mattbuck> surely you need images off for 4chan :p 20:10 < mareklug> running Tiger? 20:10 < lucasoutloud> running 10.5 20:10 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: Switch to ASCII art mode? ;-) 20:10 < lucasoutloud> mattbuck: No, it is an imageboard after all 20:11 < lucasoutloud> Dcoetzee: if I had an extension that did that I'd still have to load images to convert to ASCII 20:11 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: Not necessarily, if it uses an intermediate server to perform the conversion. 20:11 < lucasoutloud> I know not of such a service 20:12 < Dcoetzee> Nor I, but it'd be cool! 20:12 < lucasoutloud> yeah, it would 20:12 < lucasoutloud> but that would mean it would have to know what page you were looking at to load it 20:12 < Dcoetzee> I do know Opera has an intermediate server that downgrades quality of images. 20:12 < lucasoutloud> it'd be kind of like opera mobile 20:12 < lucasoutloud> oh hey hivemind 20:12 < Dcoetzee> Yeah :-) 20:13 -!- noommos [~Josh@wikipedia/noommos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:13 < lucasoutloud> I have a ton of screencaps from 4chan that I've been meaning to publish but forgot to 20:14 < MJ94> [21:40:01] <Tony_Sidaway> Yes, MJ is liberal. Doesn't entertaining loony ideas about the President's birth. Practically _raving_ liberl! 20:14 < MJ94> wat 20:14 < lucasoutloud> wait, MJ? 20:15 < Soapy> Mother Jones 20:15 < lucasoutloud> He was referring to you? 20:15 < MJ94> MJ? 20:15 < Soapy> its a magazine 20:15 < MJ94> gotta fly 20:15 < lucasoutloud> I'm starting to wonder what they think about the President's birth now 20:17 < lucasoutloud> Do people seriously still think he is Kenyan? 20:17 < Dcoetzee> Yes and also Muslim 20:17 < lucasoutloud> ha ha oh wow 20:17 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 < mareklug> but not serious people 20:18 < lucasoutloud> yeah, only those Conservapedia weirdos believe things like that 20:18 < Dcoetzee> You'd be surprised :-P 20:18 < lucasoutloud> I remember back when Sigma used to get a ton of accounts and spam Conservapedia 20:18 < lucasoutloud> shit was so cash 20:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Wassup with pussy riot? 20:18 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 -!- Ebe123_ [~Ebe123@99.192.75.199] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 < Soapy> wow 20:18 < Dcoetzee> My main argument against birthers is that "it doesn't really matter". The intention of the birth requirement was that a president should be familiar with and feel ties to the country that they lead. 20:18 < lucasoutloud> oh, speak of the devil 20:18 < Soapy> good timing 20:18 -!- Ebe123 [~Ebe123@wikimedia/Ebe123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18 < Dcoetzee> Obama clearly fits that... 20:18 < lucasoutloud> yeah 20:19 < SigmaWP> Can an !admin please deal with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Rolandhelper now 20:19 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: they are still not on iTunes 20:19 < lucasoutloud> oh, we were just talking about that, too 20:19 < SigmaWP> True, Tiptoety blocked, but I added two extra socks 20:19 < SigmaWP> Just now 20:19 < SigmaWP> And maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adobe_Media_Encoder&action=history needs to be protected 20:19 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: They got sent to jail for 2 years for a protest in a church which they were doing for a music video. 20:19 < lucasoutloud> Tony_Sidaway: I believe they were jailed for Hoolaganism 20:19 < Dcoetzee> Anti Putin stuff. 20:19 < lucasoutloud> I want to hear some of their music 20:19 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: labor camp in Siberia, mate 20:19 < Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: the sockpuppets of Rolandhelper are getting locked globally 20:20 < Soapy> Pooty Poot doesnt like critics 20:20 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: Yes, I know 20:20 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: well the point ,surely, is that they have been sentencd to a term of imprisonment. 20:20 < lucasoutloud> yeah 20:20 < mareklug> no, it actually reads "hard labor" 20:20 < lucasoutloud> but for protesting? bullshit 20:20 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: I'll link you their music video, the one they made in the church. 20:20 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, hooliganism, for protesting about a law that outlaws expressions of homosexuality. 20:20 < Dcoetzee> lucasoutloud: It's not great... 20:20 < lucasoutloud> Dcoetzee: oh :( 20:20 < Dcoetzee> They're not professional musicians, more into politics than music :-) 20:20 < Soapy> Russia sounds like a conservative's dream 20:21 < mareklug> for religious hatred and hooliganism, to be exact 20:21 < lucasoutloud> Tony_Sidaway: Anywhere else that would be okay. 20:21 < Dcoetzee> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCasuaAczKY&feature=youtu.be Here is the Pussy Riot music video. 20:21 < Dcoetzee> The one they got arrested for making. 20:21 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Poke? :\ 20:21 < lucasoutloud> I'll save it for later. 20:21 < lucasoutloud> Thank you 20:21 < Tony_Sidaway> It doesn't fucking matter how seriously they take their jobs. 20:21 < lucasoutloud> wait, who is being seriously here? 20:21 < Tony_Sidaway> They have been sentenced to long time in prison for standing in a Cathedral and protesting. 20:22 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: I agree that it was a grave offense against freedom of speech to punish them. 20:22 < lucasoutloud> oh I just butchered that sentence so bad 20:22 < SigmaWP> Fine, leave those socks alone 20:22 < SigmaWP> It's only an article that's being butchered, right? 20:22 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: What are you talking about? 20:22 < lucasoutloud> SigmaWP: someone well help you~ 20:22 < SigmaWP> Wait 20:22 < SigmaWP> You're an admin right? :P 20:22 < Dcoetzee> Yes... but I have only been reading half the chat in the channel. 20:22 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle 20:22 < SigmaWP> Oh, OK 20:22 < SigmaWP> In that case can you scroll up real quick? :P 20:23 < Dcoetzee> Nope 20:23 < lucasoutloud> I kind of wish I was an admin 20:23 < Tony_Sidaway> It's not a "grave offence against freedom of speech." It's a fucking obscenity against those citizens' right to exist, move around and act as human beings. 20:23 < SigmaWP> Why? 20:23 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: We're on the same side, come on :-P 20:23 < lucasoutloud> but I don't edit enough to justify trying 20:23 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Super busy 20:23 < Tony_Sidaway> An offence against freedom of speech is where you stop somebody saying something. 20:23 < SigmaWP> OK 20:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Dcoetzee: I'm not taking sides. It's just the way it is. 20:24 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: You could just relink me the SPI 20:24 < SigmaWP> OK 20:24 < Dcoetzee> I assume there's an SPI... 20:24 < SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Rolandhelper 20:24 < SigmaWP> Yeah 20:24 < mattbuck> I assume the lyrics to that video are profane 20:25 < SigmaWP> Yes, Tiptoety blocked, but I added the IPs after he finished 20:25 < mareklug> re Pussy Riot women. you don't have to know Polish, enjoy the pix http://kultura.gazeta.pl/kultura/56,114530,12322218,Milosniczka_sztuki__aktywistka__Voiny___dziennikarka_ekolozka_.html 20:25 < mattbuck> although I accept the dancing offends my taste 20:25 < lucasoutloud> I should go to bed. I have a P2P meeting tomorrow 20:25 < Dcoetzee> mattbuck: It's punk music, it'd be profane not to be profane 20:25 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: Someday I'm going to write a script that automatically rollbacks Rolandhelpers 20:25 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Taking a look 20:26 < SigmaWP> Ta 20:26 < Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: only problem is that no single regex can match him 20:26 < Jasper_Deng> w/o false positives 20:26 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: But he's an idiot, remember that 20:26 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: We can check his first 10 edits 20:26 < SigmaWP> Usually they point to a user sandbox 20:26 < lucasoutloud> So, what do y'all think about the Assange affair, now that Ecuador is taking him in? 20:26 < SigmaWP> And contain "roland" or "ferry" 20:27 < Jasper_Deng> That might work, though it might require testing 20:27 < SigmaWP> It will be entirely human-supervised 20:27 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Are the IPs checkuser confirmed or were they added afterwards? 20:27 < Jasper_Deng> added after 20:27 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Added afterwards, but they're ducks - reverting my reverts of the sock 20:27 < Tony_Sidaway> America, this is where you are headed: killing young women because some of your legislators are anti-abortion nuts: http://jezebel.com/5935734/the-pregnant-teen-cancer-patient-who-couldnt-get-chemo--or-an-abortion--is-dead?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow 20:27 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: :-( 20:28 -!- Jeske_Merensky [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:29 < mareklug> lucasoutloud: chances are he won't see actual Ecuador. not on this concert tour. 20:29 -!- WilliamH_UK [~WilliamH_@Wikipedia/WilliamH] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:29 -!- lucasoutloud [~anonymous@wikipedia/lucasoutloud] has quit [Quit: we are the part time centrifuge, we are the only sign of~] 20:30 < SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/114.79.60.114 also 20:30 < SigmaWP> He appears to be switching IPs now 20:30 < SigmaWP> Sorry to be asking you while you're busy 20:30 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Blocked for 72 hours 20:30 < SigmaWP> Thanks 20:30 < Dcoetzee> I'll get that one too 20:31 < SigmaWP> Semiprotection of the article would be helpful, if you don't mind 20:32 < Dcoetzee> It's just a redirect, I'll full protect it for a while :-P 20:34 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Looks like it was already protected in the past 20:34 < Dcoetzee> July 7 20:34 < SigmaWP> Well it seems to haev expired 20:34 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:34 < Dcoetzee> Interesting to note 20:34 < SigmaWP> Oh, I see 20:34 < Dcoetzee> Indef full protected now 20:34 < SigmaWP> Thank you 20:34 < Dcoetzee> Get an unprotect if you want to change it. 20:35 < SigmaWP> Wait, what 20:35 < Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Add any additional IPs to the SPI. 20:35 < SigmaWP> I am greatly confused 20:35 < SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adobe_Media_Encoder&redirect=no 20:35 < SigmaWP> Get rid of redirect=no and see what happens :S 20:37 < mareklug> hmm, there seem to be two links coexisting, an actual article and a (hidden) redirect 20:37 < Dcoetzee> wtf 20:37 < Soapy> lol @ that edit history 20:38 < Soapy> and yeah, the article is still there 20:38 < Dcoetzee> How the hell did that happen. 20:38 < SigmaWP> Edit conflict without edit conflicting 20:38 < Dcoetzee> Well that's broken 20:38 < Dcoetzee> Fixed now :-P 20:39 < mareklug> you guys wore out wiki... 20:39 < SigmaWP> That was pretty interesting, though 20:39 < mareklug> maybe a caching issue 20:40 < Soapy> could be 20:40 < Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: I'm investigating the possibility of a rangeblock 20:40 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tiptoety&diff=507827498&oldid=507649470 20:40 < SigmaWP> I love this kid, he's catching socks for us 20:40 < Jasper_Deng> lol indeed 20:41 < Tony_Sidaway> The username looks familiar. 20:41 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:41 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41 < WilliamH_UK> it looks like Tiptoety has handled it 20:42 < Soapy> TbaldieirnfiktrojanBM is quite an unusual username 20:42 < Jasper_Deng> WilliamH_UK: only for the registered accounts and not the IPs 20:43 < SigmaWP> WilliamH_UK: The last IP is yours if you want it :P 20:44 -!- MRB[alt] [~Matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:44 < WilliamH_UK> is someone already whacking the IPs? I haven't got involved 20:44 < Jasper_Deng> these IPs are highly dynamic 20:44 < Jasper_Deng> if there's going to be a rangeblock, it probably have 114.79.56.0/22 20:44 < Jasper_Deng> depending on whether there's collateral 20:45 < Dcoetzee> The IP can't hurt anybody with the page protected. No need for further blocks. 20:45 < Dcoetzee> Unless they do something crazy. 20:45 < SigmaWP> Unfortunately, that page was only one of many 20:45 < Jasper_Deng> uh http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=507934090&oldid=507933554 20:45 < SigmaWP> <3 Rolandhelpless 20:45 < Tony_Sidaway> So the arch-opponent of the stimulus bill applied for stimulus funds three or four times. Who is surprised? 20:46 < SigmaWP> Jasper_Deng: Let it stay, Boing! and mabdul can have a laugh :) 20:46 < Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: if they want to they can roll it back 20:46 < Frood> WilliamH_UK: can you block 114.79.59.10 perhaps? 20:46 < Frood> sock 20:46 < Frood> Rolandhelper 20:46 < Tony_Sidaway> And the fact that America is no longer on the edge of bankruptcy is _obviously_ a sheer coincidence. 20:49 -!- MRB[alt] is now known as Matthew_ 20:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Show of hands. Who thinks Obama will win in November? Who thinks Romney will win? Not asking what your opinion is on policy. But who do you think is going to win? 20:52 < SigmaWP> Rolandhelper. 20:53 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:54 < mareklug> Obama will win by Ohio and Florida 20:54 < Dcoetzee> I think Obama will win because the Republicans have distanced themselves too far from fence sitters in favour of driving turnout. 20:55 < Dcoetzee> However it may still be close... 20:55 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.youtube.com/user/abneypark 20:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I think Obama is in trouble because of the gerrymandering. 20:56 < Dcoetzee> It's hard to say, Obama has the "didn't do anything important" myth still hanging over his head. 20:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I am rather in love with Abney Park. 20:57 < Tony_Sidaway> I loved steampunk in the early seventies, before it had a name. 20:59 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 21:00 -!- Wgfinley [~wgf@wikipedia/Wgfinley] has quit [Quit: Wgfinley] 21:00 < Bradford> ok 21:01 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:01 < Tony_Sidaway> I remember seeing a copy of Michael Moorcock's novel, Warlord of the Air, in Binns on High Street in Sunderland back on oh maybe 1973. It showed an exquisitely becautiful airship with the words "East Indiae Air Service" on the side. In the foreground, in a cave shared by the viewpoint, were one or two Europeans in clearly straitened circumstances. 21:02 < Tony_Sidaway> I wanted to be in that airship, and to know what became of the people in the foreground. 21:03 < SigmaWP> Ugh 21:03 < SigmaWP> What I hate most about the curation toolbar is that its CSD talk page templates entice people to ask you "y u delete my articalz" 21:03 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:03 < SigmaWP> Earwig: Hi! 21:03 < Soapy> : ) 21:04 < SigmaWP> Earwig: wctaiwan told me to tell you he supports Python 3 :) 21:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Why do we delete articles? 21:04 < Earwig> Hi 21:04 < Earwig> SigmaWP: okay... 21:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Mostly we just ignore new articles, so why did we choose to delete _this_ one? It's a good question. 21:05 < Tony_Sidaway> SPeaking purely personally, my position is that deletion has always been pointless and a waste of time except where an article is harmful and cannot conceivably be rendered harmless. 21:06 < Tony_Sidaway> I find this to be an unassailable position, after nearly a decade. 21:07 < Tony_Sidaway> If the article is silly and useless, nobody will look at it, and if that ever becomes a problem we can simply automatically delete articles that nobody edits or looks at for a year or two. 21:07 < Tony_Sidaway> If the article is embarrassing, edit it until it isn't embarrassing. 21:08 -!- DeltaQuad [~quassel@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08 < Tony_Sidaway> ANd yet we waste the time of our few administrators by requiring them to pronounce on the life or death of articles that nobody really cares about. 21:09 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has left #wikipedia-en [] 21:09 -!- Rain777 [~IceChat9@190.194.68.225] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:10 -!- Bradford [b5b666fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.102.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10 < Tony_Sidaway> ANd daily we ship on more new articles, simply because it's impossible for us not to. We're a wiki. 21:10 < Rain777> Good evening everyone !!! 21:12 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:14 < Soapy> hi Rain 21:14 < Matthew_> Admin floating around? We need a quick confirmed status in -help 21:15 < Frood> Soapy: ^ ? 21:17 < Rain777> anybody from the us? 21:17 < Matthew_> Rain777: I am, what do you need? 21:17 < Rain777> I wanted to ask how is the job market these days 21:18 < Rain777> for programmers 21:18 < Frood> depends where you are 21:18 < Frood> California, probably pretty damn good 21:18 < Frood> Montana, not so much 21:18 < Matthew_> Rain777: Actually, what Frood said is pretty accurate. I'm a college student, so I'm not quite there yet. 21:18 < Rain777> I see... 21:22 -!- Red_Haze [~redhaze33@pool-108-54-212-24.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 < Rain777> and how about college fees? 21:23 < Rain777> for what Ive read its around uss 25000 21:23 < Gfoley4> where? 21:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh the airship thing: Abney Park at the Tesla, Los Angeles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri3zPE5OqJg 21:24 < Frood> that depends a lot. 21:24 < Rain777> dont remember the uni, but I think that was one of the most expensive 21:24 < Frood> that's not the most expensive, for sure, 21:24 < Tony_Sidaway> NS for fucking W, as always with my stuff. 21:24 < Frood> MIT goes up to around 60k a year. 21:25 < ChrisGualtieri> I think I should work on my 'content' before I do my RFA >.> 21:25 < ChrisGualtieri> I want a challenge though 21:25 < Frood> a quarter million for a bachelor's degree. 21:25 < Frood> other college cost maybe $20k for 4 years 21:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone think I could take this to GA with some work? 21:25 < Frood> er, 2 years 21:25 < ChrisGualtieri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsale_Aberra 21:26 < Soapy> just run for admin now, and if you fail, youll know what you need to work on for the next one 21:26 < Soapy> thats my advice to most "but Im not sure Im ready yet" candidates 21:26 -!- Red_Haze [~redhaze33@pool-108-54-212-24.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ITS RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW ௵_௵] 21:26 < ChrisGualtieri> I only have 103,000~ ish edits and no GAs or FAs. I'm going into the firing squad otherwise 21:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: yeah the earlier you apply the better, to be honest. 21:27 < Jeske_Merensky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C:UNB - any admins care to deal with the backlog? 21:27 < Soapy> I only have 103,000~ ish edits < --- lol 21:28 < ChrisGualtieri> I haven't even been active a year. 21:28 < ChrisGualtieri> Almost 6 months 21:28 < Soapy> i like how a user gets an invite to the Teahouse *after* his account is globally blocked and locked 21:28 < Rain777> thanks Frood 21:29 < Tony_Sidaway> "Biting's excellent! It's liks kissing, only there's a winner!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxWTGjyOHe4 21:29 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:32 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:32 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:33 -!- Torango [~Torango@h74.58.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:33 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 21:33 -!- Jasper_Deng_away [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 21:36 -!- Torango [~Torango@h74.58.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36 * Isarra does a jig. 21:37 -!- purplebackpack89 [476c7d38@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.108.125.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> Fine.. someone pick something and I'll bring it to GA >.> 21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> Something American please. 21:37 < Soapy> [[Hamburger]] 21:37 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Christian extremism]] 21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> Yikes. 21:38 < ChrisGualtieri> Jeske_Merensky: I'd never pass an RFA if I did THAT one >.> 21:38 < SigmaWP> ChrisGualtieri: [[Serial killer]] 21:38 < ChrisGualtieri> Or that one... 21:38 < ChrisGualtieri> But I'll humor it with a few updates. 21:38 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Assassination of John F. Kennedy]] 21:39 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:40 < ChrisGualtieri> Isn't that one already GA? 21:40 < ChrisGualtieri> Hamburger looks fun 21:40 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums]] 21:40 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:40 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Rampart scandal]] 21:41 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homemade_hamburger_1.jpg <--- now THATs a hamburger : D 21:42 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:42 < Frood> no bacon? 21:42 < Frood> also that's a cheeseburger 21:42 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Obesity]] 21:42 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[201 (South Park)]] 21:43 < Soapy> i should take photos of various homemade foods making them look a lot more luxurious than average 21:43 < Soapy> i'll do it tomorrow 21:43 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:44 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Children's interests (rhetoric)]] 21:44 < Soapy> some of these are good 21:44 < suicidalzerg> I'm uploading a burger picture right now. 21:45 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Virginia Tech massacre]] 21:45 < suicidalzerg> Ironically, the CAPTCHA that I have to type in is "Chow down" 21:45 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Columbine massacre]] 21:45 < suicidalzerg> http://i47.tinypic.com/14n1y00.jpg 21:46 < Soapy> wikipedia's captcha system has developed sentience : ) 21:46 < Soapy> oh, well that other site then 21:46 < Matthew_> Now that's freaky 21:46 < Soapy> bacon, jalapeños, and American cheese 21:46 < Soapy> not bad 21:46 < Soapy> Ive never tried exactly that combination 21:46 < suicidalzerg> You apparently don't notice the size of it 21:47 < Matthew_> Y'all are making me hungry! No bueno 21:47 < Jeske_Merensky> You cannot grasp the true form of the burger's attack! 21:48 < suicidalzerg> The Captcha for this one was "Never quit"... xD http://i50.tinypic.com/mjqzcz.jpg 21:48 < Soapy> you like spicy foods I guess 21:48 < Soapy> is that you? 21:48 < Soapy> or a friend? 21:49 < Soapy> thats obviously the same place as the other photo 21:50 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:50 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&dir=prev&offset=20120817223603&limit=8&user=Risker&type= 21:51 < suicidalzerg> Soapy: http://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=5Ziwz5Ltn-w&s=30 21:52 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:52 < SigmaWP> legoktm: Python 3 21:52 < legoktm> Pywikipedia doesn't support it yet :( 21:52 < SigmaWP> Pywikipedia sucks :D 21:52 -!- Theopolisme [~Theopolis@wikipedia/Theopolisme] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:53 < SigmaWP> I'm writing my own framework 21:53 < Soapy> oh thats just that deodorant commercial 21:53 < legoktm> Another framework? 21:53 < Soapy> more socks: 21:53 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Bsadowski1 21:53 < SigmaWP> It's different in that it supports Python 3 21:53 < legoktm> And python2? Or just 3? 21:53 < SigmaWP> Just 3 21:54 < legoktm> How far are you in it? 21:54 < SigmaWP> Very 21:54 < SigmaWP> I'm still working on the exception tree 21:54 < legoktm> Can I see it? Or have you not released it yet? 21:54 < SigmaWP> But other than that, and threading support, it shouldn't take much time 21:54 < Frood> Bsadowski1: are you lokving them too? :P 21:55 < Frood> locking 21:55 < SigmaWP> Not released yet 21:55 -!- Soapy [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 21:55 < legoktm> Ah ok, let me know when you do 21:56 * Nascar1996 hopes the Motorola vs Apple lawsuit doesn't result in a U.S. ban of iPhone, iPad, iPod and Mac. 21:57 -!- Keegan__ [~chatzilla@c-71-207-179-86.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:57 < SigmaWP> Nascar1996: I will rejoice when those bastards of unix are finally removed from the US 21:58 < ChrisGualtieri> Hamburger is an absolute mess 21:58 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:58 < Nascar1996> o..k 21:58 -!- tkazec [~msk@173.247.10.144] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 21:58 < legoktm> SigmaWP: What distro do you use? 21:58 < SigmaWP> I'm on windows right now 21:58 * Nascar1996 likes his iDevices… though he could use a Samsung Galaxy SIII 21:59 < SigmaWP> I also use debian 21:59 * Nascar1996 likes his Mac though… no going back. 21:59 * suicidalzerg couldn't give less of a fuck what happens to Apple products 21:59 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:59 * legoktm loves all of his iDevices and Macs 22:00 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:00 < Nascar1996> Hmmm, I wonder how bad the loss of Apple will hurt the mobile phone business… we need to keep Apple and Anroid and all the others. They need to get their act together.. 22:00 * Frood loves his Galaxy S III 22:00 < Frood> Nascar1996: it'd help. 22:01 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01 < Frood> they're patent trolls. 22:01 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 22:01 < suicidalzerg> Get rid of Apple, everything else will flourish :p 22:01 < Nascar1996> Frood: it would? Remove the most popular music device in the U.S. then remove one of the top phones in the country??? 22:01 < Frood> they sue anybody for anything 22:01 < suicidalzerg> Brick all the iPhones while they're at it too 22:01 < SigmaWP> Frood: They can get linux phones. 22:01 < Frood> Nascar1996: that wouldn't help other companies? 22:01 < SigmaWP> Nascar1996: ^ 22:01 < Frood> SigmaWP: android, my friend 22:01 < Frood> also FirefoxOS 22:01 < SigmaWP> I don't think they exist :P 22:01 < Frood> my phone can run Ubuntu. 22:01 < Nascar1996> It may… but have you ever thought some don't want Android or Blackberry? 22:01 < suicidalzerg> BRICK 'EM ALL! 22:02 < Frood> "Don't want an Android? Better sue Samsung!" 22:02 * Nascar1996 proposes to go back to landlines. 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:02 * suicidalzerg proposes to go back to face-to-face communication. 22:03 < Frood> suicidalzerg: LIKE SKYPE RITE!? 22:03 < Nascar1996> All of this fighting is mediocre though, and it seems like almost every company copied at least one thing from the other.. 22:03 < Frood> Nascar1996: Yes. 22:03 < Frood> And most companies don't sue for trival things like that 22:03 < Frood> nor do they patent them 22:03 -!- Jasper_Deng_away [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:03 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #wikipedia-en [] 22:03 < Frood> software patents are evil 22:03 < Frood> they need a total reform 22:03 < suicidalzerg> Frood: NO LONG-DISTANCE COMMUNICATION FOR YOU! 22:04 < Nascar1996> Some like iOS, some like Android, and some like Blackberry while others like a regular flip phone… we need this competition, but not fighting in courts. 22:04 < Frood> they're supposed to encourage innovation 22:04 < suicidalzerg> You gotta walk all the way to New Jersey to talk to your friend, face to face. >:D 22:04 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 22:04 < Frood> Instead, they let big companies bully individuals who try to innovate 22:04 < Frood> suicidalzerg: i have friends in new jersey? 22:05 < Nascar1996> Like here is Apple or Samsung or Google, "Hey you copied that and made it better! I'm going to sue you!" 22:05 < Dcoetzee> Especially considering everybody originally copied Xerox PARC :-P 22:05 < legoktm> PARC is still a fun place to visit 22:05 < Nascar1996> or how about this… Apple vs Google: you copied the "e" from my name. 22:05 < Dcoetzee> And Xerox was like "lol patents wat" 22:05 < Frood> exactly 22:06 < Nascar1996> Android seems to be a little more buggy than iOS, but I don't know... 22:06 < Frood> if Xerox would've patented the first real GUI for a desktop with windows, and icons, and such, where would we be today? 22:07 < Frood> Would desktop computers exist? 22:07 -!- mys_721tx_ [~mys_721tx@ResNet-60-70.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:07 -!- mys_721tx_ [~mys_721tx@ResNet-60-70.resnet.ucsb.edu] has quit [Changing host] 22:07 -!- mys_721tx_ [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:07 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 -!- mys_721tx_ is now known as mys_721tx 22:08 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:08 < Nascar1996> All of this fighting between Google, Apple, etc is going to destroy the smartphone market... 22:08 < legoktm> Or it will force them to come up with better products 22:08 < suicidalzerg> Just detonate a nuke in space above the US. 22:08 < Tony_Sidaway> Just about everything in the internet came from government investment. 22:08 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 22:08 < suicidalzerg> EMP everything. 22:09 < Nascar1996> Everyone will go back to Blackberry. 22:09 < suicidalzerg> Everyone will go back to walking to get where they need to go :p 22:09 < Tony_Sidaway> US in DARPA, Europe in CERN. 22:09 -!- Keegan__ is now known as Keegan 22:09 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@c-71-207-179-86.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:09 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:09 < Nascar1996> I'm wondering how the heck Siri has anything to do with Motorola... 22:10 < suicidalzerg> Because every car with electronics (which is, like, every car in existence, with the exception of some kind of... hand-cranked, lightless diesel engine with a physically driven fuel pump?) 22:10 < Tony_Sidaway> ask Siri 22:10 < suicidalzerg> Would become nonfunctional :p 22:10 -!- Frood is now known as Froodsleep 22:10 < Nascar1996> Siri is better than S voice… wonder where the S came from.. hmmmm 22:11 < SigmaWP> Nascar1996: Shithead 22:11 < Nascar1996> One of them copied a letter. 22:11 < suicidalzerg> Horse tits. 22:12 < Nascar1996> SigmaWP: is your face covered with shit? 22:12 < SigmaWP> No 22:12 < SigmaWP> That is where S came from 22:12 < Nascar1996> ... 22:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Seriously, the alphabet is public 22:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 22:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:12 < Nascar1996> I'm kidding. 22:12 < Nascar1996> I'm just saying they misewell just sue the other for making a smartphone... 22:13 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Quit: Reality intrudes] 22:13 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:13 * Pharos owns exclusive rights to the letter S in this jurisdiction 22:13 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14 -!- Y_Ichiro [~ichiro@wikipedia/Yamamoto-Ichiro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:14 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 22:14 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:14 < Nascar1996> I'm surprised whoever developed touch technology hasn't sued all the cellphone companies for using it.. 22:15 < Jeske_Merensky> Odds are they have 22:15 < Nascar1996> I haven't heard of it... 22:16 < Nascar1996> The patent infrigment crap is really rediculous… it should be open to the public to use… eventually there is going to be almost nothing different you can do... 22:16 * SigmaWP huggles ty 22:17 * ty huggles SigmaWP <3 22:17 < Jeske_Merensky> Nascar1996) Hence the conceit of FRAND patents. 22:17 < Nascar1996> ty! 22:17 * Mdann52 slowly edges away..... 22:17 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18 -!- Wehwalt [4462af34@wikipedia/Wehwalt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19 < ty> Nascar1996! 22:19 < Nascar1996> Hm, isn't the iPhone and iPad already set to be banned? 22:19 < Nascar1996> because of a previous Motorola lawsuit? 22:20 < Jeske_Merensky> No 22:20 < Jeske_Merensky> NAFAIK 22:20 -!- Inous [~al_killa@pool-173-58-11-57.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:20 < Nascar1996> ah ok 22:20 < Nascar1996> The Galaxt Nexus is banned right? 22:20 < Jeske_Merensky> It's *Samsung's* stuff that's banned, yes. 22:20 * Nascar1996 rethinks... 22:21 < Nascar1996> The Samsung SIII isn't. 22:21 < Nascar1996> And it is pretty much the best smartphone on the market right now. 22:23 < Nascar1996> Oh that ban was lifted... 22:23 -!- Inous [~al_killa@pool-173-58-11-57.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 22:24 * Pharos bans patents 22:26 * SigmaWP patents the patent 22:27 * Pharos discovers pior art for the patent 22:27 < Pharos> *prior 22:28 < Pharos> the patent on patentsa there is 22:28 * Mdann52 destroys every patent office 22:29 -!- WilliamH_UK [~WilliamH_@Wikipedia/WilliamH] has quit [] 22:29 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [EVA@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has quit [] 22:29 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 22:30 -!- Rain777 [~IceChat9@190.194.68.225] has quit [Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that] 22:30 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: Later!] 22:31 -!- Ed17 [~anonymous@24-177-157-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:31 -!- Ed17 [~anonymous@24-177-157-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:31 -!- Ed17 [~anonymous@wikipedia/the-ed17] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:32 < Mdann52> Hi Ed17 22:32 < Ed17> hi 22:32 < SigmaWP> Hi Ed17 22:32 < Ed17> hello 22:36 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [EVA@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:38 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:39 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:46 < ChrisGualtieri> How do I add a footnote for the article? 22:46 < ChrisGualtieri> This Hamburger fiasco is insane 22:46 < Mdann52> Use the ref tags 22:47 < SigmaWP> ChrisGualtieri: I would've gone with coal balls, personally 22:47 < ChrisGualtieri> That's YOUR expertise 22:47 < ChrisGualtieri> Ref tags won't work 22:47 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Walmart]] 22:47 < ChrisGualtieri> I got a mound of data and seriously... I need to make actual notes. 22:47 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Comedy Central]] 22:47 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Stonewall Riots]] 22:48 < SigmaWP> ChrisGualtieri: If it interests you, I knew nothing about coal balls until I started writing the article for them 22:48 < Jeske_Merensky> ChrisGualtieri) [[Army of God]] 22:48 < Bsadowski1> You have coal for balls, SigmaWP? 22:49 < Bsadowski1> xD 22:49 < SigmaWP> Bsadowski1: Coal balls are not made of coal! 22:49 < ChrisGualtieri> Gar >.> 22:50 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:50 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:50 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:50 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:50 < ChrisGualtieri> So there is no way for me to make a editorial note? 22:50 < harej> And the upload of Wikimania 2012 videos to YouTube has begun. 22:50 < SigmaWP> <!-- ChrisGualtieri --> 22:50 < SigmaWP> Or work in userspace and histmerge 22:50 < ChrisGualtieri> It needs to be visible 22:52 < SigmaWP> $x balls are not made of $x 22:52 < SigmaWP> We need to spread that 22:52 < SigmaWP> Viral! 22:52 < Mdann52> ....................... . 22:52 < SigmaWP> In fact, that should be the first sentence to the article 22:53 -!- Deon|wp [~Deon@wikimedia/Deon] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:53 < Deon|wp> J #wikipedia 22:53 < Deon|wp> Damn slash key :/ 22:53 < SigmaWP> '''Coal balls''' are not made of [[coal]]. Rather, they are [[calcium]]-rich masses..... 22:53 < SigmaWP> That looks good, right? 22:53 < SigmaWP> I mean, it should be the first thing to establish 22:54 < Mdann52> Deon, :):2 22:54 < SigmaWP> "Wait, before you go any further, you must know that 'coal ball' and 'coal' are two different things" 22:55 < Jeske_Merensky> One is a signal to murder Sigma and cannibalize his body and the other is coal. 22:55 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:56 < Mdann52> :) 22:57 < Mdann52> ChanServ 22:57 < Mdann52> Ok, what just happened.... 22:57 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:03 -!- harej_ [~harej@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:03 -!- harej_ [~harej@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:03 -!- harej_ [~harej@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:04 -!- harej is now known as Pancetta 23:05 -!- harej_ is now known as harej 23:05 -!- Lydia_WMDE [~lydia@wikimedia/Lydia-Pintscher-WMDE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:07 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:07 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 23:09 -!- Pancetta [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 23:11 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:12 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Earwig is near 23:12 < SigmaWP> in -helpers 23:12 -!- NTox [~NTox@wikipedia/NTox] has quit [Quit: NTox] 23:12 < wctaiwan> and? 23:13 < SigmaWP> He needs to know people who do py3k 23:13 < wctaiwan> I'm not going to pester a better coder than I'd ever be for your amusement, sigma. 23:14 < SigmaWP> Python 2 is crappy 23:14 < SigmaWP> And it's to make him convert :D 23:14 < legoktm> Why do you think python2 is crappy? 23:15 < SigmaWP> http://docs.python.org/library/2to3.html?highlight=2to3#fixers 23:16 < legoktm> Well I know that -.- 23:16 < SigmaWP> Exactly why it's crappy 23:16 < SigmaWP> That's the list of crap that was removed 23:16 < legoktm> Really the only thing I'm most looking forward to is the unicode support 23:16 -!- Lydia_WMDE [~lydia@wikimedia/Lydia-Pintscher-WMDE] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:16 < SigmaWP> from __future__ import unicode_literals 23:17 < legoktm> I know but I'd rather not do that all the time 23:19 < Keegan> Yup, about time for a new essay 23:19 < Keegan> [[Wikipedia:Use the talk page]] should not be a red link 23:19 < greenrosetta> drama 23:19 < greenrosetta> draaaaaaahma 23:20 < Jeske_Merensky> Keegan) Try [[Wikipedia:Use the fucking talk page]] or [[WP:RTFM]] 23:20 < Keegan> Jeske_Merensky: That's what piping is for when linking 23:21 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@cpe-74-71-143-18.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:21 -!- IDoH [~I@174-125-80-172.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:21 -!- IDoH [~I@174-125-80-172.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:21 -!- IDoH [~I@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:21 < Jeske_Merensky> If you're called "Tony" you forfeit the right to claim you've no name. 23:22 < IDoH> Hey 23:22 < Keegan> Okay 23:23 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: tsk, you seem to have been getting into edit wars. 23:23 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: I only edit war against socks 23:24 < Deon|wp> Two wrongs do, after all, make a right. 23:24 * SigmaWP goes to stalk your contribs 23:25 < wctaiwan> Deon|wp: I was joking. That was pretty much vandalism territory (reinstating content into a redirect) 23:25 < russavia> does anyone know which countries Roger Davies, PhilKnight, Jclemens, SirFozzie are from? 23:25 < russavia> and if from US, what state? 23:25 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: it's hard to stalk yours because I can't type the URL 23:25 < wctaiwan> russavia: WP:OUTING. 23:25 < wctaiwan> as I'm sure you're aware... 23:26 < russavia> no its not 23:26 < wctaiwan> it is if they haven't publicly said where they come from... 23:26 < russavia> PM me if one doesn't want to put in main channel 23:26 < SigmaWP> Crap 23:26 < SigmaWP> A pencil lead just fell in the cracks between the mousepad buttons 23:26 < wctaiwan> your mousepad has buttons? 23:26 < Mdann52> :) 23:26 < wctaiwan> that's one fancy mousepad. 23:26 < IDoH> Russavia, somebodies location is usually considered quite private. 23:27 < russavia> not if they have publicised it, it isn't 23:27 < russavia> and that is what i am asking...if anyone know if they have, then its quite ok 23:27 * wctaiwan has a mousepad that comes with a wiper 23:27 < SigmaWP> russavia: They all come from Chad. 23:27 < SigmaWP> Duh. 23:28 -!- VeenaSitara [b6b20df9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.13.249] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:28 < VeenaSitara> Hi 23:28 < wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scheibenwischerverkauf_in_Apan_fcm.jpg huh 23:29 < VeenaSitara> wctaiwan: I no like you 23:29 < wctaiwan> uh, okay? 23:29 < SigmaWP> Mac OSX Mountain Goat! 23:30 < Deon|wp> wctaiwan: I know, I was just joking :) 23:30 < wctaiwan> the name sounds less silly than Ubuntu. 23:30 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: lol, "China, not Public Relations China" 23:30 < Deon|wp> Damn IRC and it's emotionless conveyance of text 23:30 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: I know right? :P 23:30 < VeenaSitara> wctaiwan: you pay skype hot show ? 23:30 < wctaiwan> oh ffs. 23:30 < wctaiwan> !ops 23:31 < SigmaWP> I think that might be rolandhelper. 23:31 < VeenaSitara> wctaiwan: you gay 23:31 < wctaiwan> yeah probably 23:31 < SigmaWP> User cannot speak much english. +1. 23:31 * Jeske_Merensky kisses wctaiwan, his tongue licking his cheek 23:31 < SigmaWP> Huh 23:31 -!- Maccer [~Maccer@199.168.138.175] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:31 * wctaiwan stares pointedly at Jeske_Merensky 23:31 < SigmaWP> Nevermind, geolocates to not-Indonesia 23:31 < wctaiwan> oh crap XD 23:32 * VeenaSitara wctaiwan likes men 23:32 * Jeske_Merensky nudges him, as if to say, "play along, dammit" 23:32 < wctaiwan> crappy juxtaposition is crappy 23:32 < Matthew_> SigmaWP: Proxy? 23:32 < Mdann52> !op, we have someone trying to sell adult skype shows 23:32 * VeenaSitara watches wctaiwan gay sex 23:32 < SigmaWP> Matthew_: I doubt rolandhelper is smart enough to use a proxy :P 23:32 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 < Matthew_> SigmaWP: True... 23:32 * Jeske_Merensky kisses wctaiwan on the lips... 23:32 < wctaiwan> jorm: you has ops here? 23:32 < SigmaWP> I mean, when you edit your own SPI, it says something about your intelligence 23:32 * VeenaSitara hot hot hot hot DESI SKYPE SHOW VeenaSitara Skype no gays please 23:32 < wctaiwan> (fwiw, that "yeah probably" was in response to Sigma..) 23:33 < Mdann52> !ops we need a kick 23:33 < Mdann52> ffs 23:33 < wctaiwan> where's Logan when he might actually be useful… >.> 23:33 < SigmaWP> lol 23:33 < VeenaSitara> SigmaWP: i like u i show u free 23:33 < jorm> i do not have ops in this channel. 23:33 * ow looks in 23:33 < wctaiwan> oh well, thanks anyway. 23:34 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:34 < ow> Who needs kicking? 23:34 < wctaiwan> VeenaSitara: 23:34 < Jeske_Merensky> VeenaSitara 23:34 < wctaiwan> previously removed troll. 23:34 < VeenaSitara> Jeske_Merensky: go sex wctaiwan 23:34 * Jeske_Merensky stops the act and mauls VeenaSitara 23:34 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o ow] by ChanServ 23:34 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.13.249] by ow 23:34 -!- VeenaSitara was kicked from #wikipedia-en by ow [VeenaSitara] 23:34 < wctaiwan> thank you very kindly. 23:34 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o ow] by ow 23:34 < IDoH> Thanks ow 23:35 < Mdann52> Can you ban then as will please? 23:35 < Matthew_> thanks, ow. I hope you didn't hurt him too bad. 23:35 < wctaiwan> they've been banned 23:35 < Matthew_> Mdann52: It's already done... 23:35 < Jeske_Merensky> Mdann) Already done. 23:35 < SigmaWP> Jeske_Merensky: Unbalanced parentheses are annoying 23:35 < wctaiwan> (((())) 23:35 < SigmaWP> ) 23:35 < Mdann52> I haven't seen mode +b yet...... 23:35 < Matthew_> wctaiwan: Stop... 23:36 * wctaiwan stops 23:36 < Matthew_> Mdann52: That's ban, and it was done before the kick. 23:36 < Mdann52> Ok 23:36 < Jeske_Merensky> SigmaWP) I use them in place of colons to indicate who I'm talking to. 23:36 < wctaiwan> "[14:34:41] ow sets mode +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.13.249" 23:36 < Matthew_> wctaiwan: Thanks. Just spent two hours fixing that XD 23:36 < wctaiwan> lol 23:36 < Mdann52> Sorry, just me being blind.... 23:36 -!- quanticle is now known as quanticle|away 23:39 < Jeske_Merensky> sorry about that, wctaiwan. 23:40 < wctaiwan> np 23:43 < ow> if someone is being a douchebag again and no one responds to !_ops, send a text to 682-233-5428 23:44 < russavia> Roger Davies is in Wales obviously 23:46 < Theopolisme> ow: ooh, a phone number! 23:48 < wctaiwan> get some rest, ow :) 23:48 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:53 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [] 23:59 -!- Maccer [~Maccer@199.168.138.175] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:59 -!- D1000|Away [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Demiurge1000] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Sat Aug 18 00:00:15 2012