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--- Log opened Sat Aug 11 00:00:14 2012
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00:53 < jubo2> g'morning
00:55 < Mdann52> Morning
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01:39 < wctaiwan> o/ foks
01:40 < foks> Hiya
01:43 < foks> gold for gb in the canoe sprint woo
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01:49 < Ironholds> evening people
01:49 < BlastHardcheese> I thought the Canadians were the ones with the canoes
01:50 < Ironholds> ...that probably makes sense in context
01:50 < wctaiwan> evening, Ironholds. (but isn't it morning over in UK land?)
01:51 < Ironholds> sure, but I'm in SF
01:51 < Ironholds> where it is, technically, morning actually
01:51 < wctaiwan> Oh.
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01:56 < Ironholds> hey, Sp33dyphil
01:56 < Sp33dyphil> hi, what's up?
01:56 < Ironholds> nuthin' much; yourself?
01:57 < Sp33dyphil> same, doing my usual things -- writing.
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01:58 < Ironholds> cool :)
01:58 < Sp33dyphil> Ironholds: have you been following tech news lately/
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02:00 < Sp33dyphil> are you much of a copy editor?
02:01 < Ironholds> Sp33dyphil: tech news? as in, in the wikimedia movement, or the big wide world?
02:02 < Sp33dyphil> the latter
02:02 < Ironholds> sometimes?
02:02 < Sp33dyphil> coz I'm working on [[Nexus 7]], and I thought you could lend me a hand :)
02:03 < Sp33dyphil> gotta go
02:03 < Ironholds> heh. take care.
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02:16 < foks> Is it quite common for Spanish people to have the same maternal and parental name?
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02:16 < foks> Like this diver, German Sanchez Sanchez
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02:45 < mareklug> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ic0z7lY9sFOhH3tmpl_duAcSmOPA?docId=12d8ea1abfd04adf93e08bdd1e327d34   "AP sources: Romney intends to name Ryan his No. 2"
02:47 < Ironholds> that's kinda rude of him
02:47 < Ironholds> I'd more describe Ryan as a thin streak of piss, and that's a No. 1
02:48 < foks> so he's not going for the hispanic dude?
02:49 < mareklug> we're supposed to have the announcement "on Saturday morning"   it's 5:49 now
02:49 < foks> lies, it's 10:45
02:49 < foks> *49
02:50 < mareklug> i'm disappointed.  i'd think Condi Rice would've added real spice to the race
02:51 < mareklug> after all, Romney is an idiot in international relations
02:52 < Ironholds> and, y'know, about as appealing to ethnic minorities as a good lynching
02:52 < Ironholds> although I would like it noted that he is also as appealing to me, as a white dude, as a good lynching.
02:52 < Ironholds> i.e. not.
02:53 < mareklug> it will still be a close election, but with the economy improving and unemployment going down, Obama wins it
02:54  * foks isn't so sure
02:54 < foks> I have very little faith in Americans during elections
02:54 < foks> Too easy to buy their votes
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02:54 < foks> (no offense of course)
02:54 < mareklug> true, America is very divided
02:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Divided States of America
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03:37 < AzaToth> mareklug: a federation must be divided, otherwize it's not a federation
03:37 < mareklug> like the Russian Federation
03:38 < Ironholds> AzaToth: divisible != divided
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04:11 < Soapy> HELP
04:11 < Soapy> MS excel is being annoying
04:12 < Soapy> how do I get it to show two spreadsheets in two windows like it used to?
04:12 < Soapy> All of a sudden it's only allowing one at a time to be viewed
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04:14 < mareklug> Soapy:  http://dottech.org/tipsntricks/26491/how-to-force-microsoft-excel-to-open-files-in-new-window-how-to-guide/
04:17 < Soapy> i think its wroking now
04:21 < Soapy> yeah
04:21 < Soapy> I diont know what caused that
04:21 < Soapy> or why it stopped
04:21 < Soapy> I didnt do the thing in the link, that probably wouildnt have worked
04:22 < Soapy> I think thats' fore Excel 2010
04:22 < Soapy> Esxcel 2007 has the default behavior to open new sheets in a separate window
04:22 < Soapy> but for someone reason it suddenly stopped
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04:27 < Soapy> http://www.irishshop.com/images/detailed/0/ff-bst809ol.jpg
04:27 < Soapy> i saw a guy with that T shirt yestrday
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04:37 < Steven_Zhang> Wow Ironholds
04:37 < Steven_Zhang> just used new pages feed and the new gadget to the right of the screen for the first time
04:37 < Steven_Zhang> its really good!
04:38 < mareklug> who would think a white ozzie would silver in a 50 km walk
04:39 < Steven_Zhang> -_-
04:39 < Steven_Zhang> we are hardly lazy if thats what you're saying :P
04:40 < mareklug> you don't have a technical tradition of winning
04:40 < Steven_Zhang> -.-
04:40 < mareklug> in this quaint thing
04:40 < Steven_Zhang> USA and china cheat
04:40 < Steven_Zhang> especially china, lol
04:40 < Steven_Zhang> they torture their olympians
04:41 < Steven_Zhang> and get shot if they dont win gold :p
04:41 < mareklug> china got bronze and he definitely ran some
04:41 < Steven_Zhang> USA has enough money to make super sekret performance enhancing drugs that are undetectable
04:41 < Steven_Zhang> :P
04:41 < Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: ta
04:42 < Ironholds> mareklug: are you taking the piss? ;p
04:42 < Ironholds> the main reason Britain has so many gold medals is because we hopped over to australia and went
04:42 < Ironholds> "coaches! Who fancies a salary bump?"
04:42 < Ironholds> they've actually got a great training regime. We just snarfed most of their trainers.
04:42 < Ironholds> ah, capitalism.
04:42 < Steven_Zhang> lol
04:42 < mareklug> no, he got a warning for running, seriously.  and to my eye he later ran too, which is illegal
04:43 < mareklug> 3 warnings and you're out
04:43 < Ironholds> also, a 50km walk is like, the australian national tradition
04:43 < Ironholds> although they call it "popping down to the nearest offie"
04:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if aliens were to invade earth which city would they dare try to take over last?
04:43 < mareklug> why don't they have gold medals in it?
04:43 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: hmn. london.
04:43 < Ironholds> we'd cut the slags.
04:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds I dont mean during the olympics.
04:44 < Ironholds> I still maintain that answer.
04:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> london is already invaded by aliens multiple times
04:45 < Steven_Zhang> lol a 50km walk would annoy me.
04:45 < Steven_Zhang> I wonder why we don't put John Howard in the powerwalking event.
04:45 < Steven_Zhang> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/john-howard-keeps-on-walking/story-e6freuy9-1111116051615
04:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> new olympic event, Steven_Zhang walk
04:46 < Steven_Zhang> uh?
04:46 < Steven_Zhang> How does that work :P
04:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a 50km walk that annoys the runner
04:48 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang:  you're supposed to have one heal/foot down at all times, which makes for a funny gait
04:48 < Steven_Zhang> i know it looks stupid
04:48 < mareklug> when they look natural, they are running
04:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds so is it true that the UK will host the winter olympics in london as well?
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04:55 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: not to my knowledge
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05:07 < Krenair> 2014 Winter Olympics will be in Sochi, Russia, ToAruShiroiNeko
05:08  * mareklug put another way, the winter olympics will be where there is alpine skiing
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05:12 < pill> hi, for some time already, references on enwiki are also displayed as a mouse-over text. can you tell me if this is a feature programmed locally on enwiki or whether it's a wmf implementation?
05:13 < Jarry1250> pill: It's aa gadget
05:13 < Jarry1250> *a
05:13 < Jarry1250> So it's local, but easily transferable to other projects, if they had a local consensus
05:14 < pill> ah, and enabled by default?
05:14 < Jarry1250> Yes.
05:14 < Jarry1250> As of a month ago or whatever
05:14 < Jarry1250> (I lose track of time during vacations :P )
05:15 < pill> :)
05:15 < pill> enabled on request by the enwiki community?
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05:16 < mareklug> more like sprung on the bedeviled by the ever progressing creeping featurism
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05:19 < Krenair> pill, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition&diff=502710987&oldid=500580245
05:20 < Krenair> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadgets-definition#ReferenceTooltips_on_by_default
05:21 < pill> ah, great, thanks.
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05:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you cant ski in london?
05:37 < Ironholds> no idea
05:37 < Ironholds> anyway. sleep
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06:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can you sleep in london?
06:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :/
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06:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> who the f*** is Paul Ryan?
06:07 < mareklug> congress critter from Wisconsin, brain behind republican health care
06:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> republicans had a brain
06:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or health care?
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> news to me :p
06:08 < mareklug> it's basically give vouchers to the needy, not pay directly doctors and hospitals
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06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> alright
06:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats almost logical
06:13 < mareklug> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/11/steve-jobs-offered-samsung-apples-crown-jewels-for-250m/
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06:46 < MartijnH> does anyone know of a specific notability guideline for bodies of water?
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06:46 < mareklug> any specific case?
06:48 < MartijnH> I don't think burns in general are notable, but since quite a few bodies of water are, I was wondering if there was any previous discussion on it
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06:55 < mareklug> MartijnH:  i couldn't really find any.  this body of water for example is tagged with the general notability template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandusky_Bay
06:56 < MartijnH> this burn would be much smaller
06:56 < MartijnH> but I also find it very unlikely that that bay is not notable
06:56 < MartijnH> could be
06:57 < mareklug> the tater referenced [[Wikipedia:Notability (Geographic locations)]]
06:57 < mareklug> tagger
06:58 < MartijnH> ah, cool, that would be useful
06:58 < mareklug> to my mind, a bay on a Great Lake is notable
06:59 < MartijnH> "This is a failed proposal. Consensus in its favor was not established within a reasonable period of time. If you want to revive discussion, please use the talk page or initiate a thread at the village pump."
06:59 < MartijnH> :/
06:59 < mareklug> what burn did you have in mind?
06:59 < MartijnH> Lour burn
07:00 < mareklug> geo?
07:00 < MartijnH> I wasn't planning on writing on it, but wondering whether to redlink or not
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07:01 < MartijnH> well, to give an idea of the size:
07:01 < MartijnH> http://www.speyside.moray.org/Aberlour/aberlourangling/gallery.htm
07:01 < mareklug> http://www.niekbouwen.com/photo_4862099.html  -- looks like a sizable stream …for Scotland
07:02 < MartijnH> there are tons of these kinds of burns though
07:02 < MartijnH> I tend to run in to them as water sources for whisky distillery articles I write
07:02 < mareklug> then they would be esp. notable :)
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07:09 < mareklug> Brazil sure let in a laughable goal at 29 seconds
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07:17 < Shirik> ?
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07:22 < mareklug> USA is on course for 100 or more medals by the end of the day
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07:25 < Pharos> is this an argument for european iunification?
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07:26 < mareklug> it's an argument for China to try even harder
07:27 < Pharos> i think they're trying hard enough
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07:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I ask again who the f*** is Paul Ryan?
07:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> is this the generic republican?
07:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> who would name their child Generic when their lastname is Republican
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07:50 < Shirik> ToAruShiroiNeko: He differs from Ryan Paul on some key issues
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07:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> how about from Ron Paul?
07:52 < Shirik> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a3_1341197032
07:53 < closedmouth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3A2012_Summer_Olympics_medal_table#Heavily_censored_table_info_detrimental_to_Hungary.21 haha
07:53 < closedmouth> predicated on what?
07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am hungry
07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats a good prediction
07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I cant believe people are still talking about the olympics
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08:33 < mareklug> 2-0 mexico
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08:44 < mareklug> Brazilian players are having public arguments among themselves
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08:50 < mareklug> 2-1 Brazil scores one
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08:53 < mareklug> Mexico wins gold in football, first ever.  Brazil almost tied it.
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09:01 < sl3ax> hi to all. I've a question regarding DNS. If, for example, the Google DNS (8.8.8.8) for retrieve the ip of example.com works by contacting a root server ,after the .com nameserver ip and finally it had the example.com ip address and returns it back to the user. So, why not elimate the google dns server and make the request to a root server directly?
09:01 < wctaiwan> sl3ax: because then the root DNS servers (there are like..6? in the entire world) would be subject to an incredible amount of work.
09:02 < wctaiwan> (part of the reason)
09:02 < sl3ax> but google dns always should make the request
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09:02 < wctaiwan> Nope, there's caching.
09:02 < Tony_Sidaway> sl3ax: this isn't the right place for technical questions about third party DNS servers.
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09:03 < sl3ax> wctaiwan: thx
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09:03 < sl3ax> wctaiwan: only a curiosity: The other part of reason?
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09:04 < wctaiwan> I can't remember :p I learned it last semester, don't have the textbook with me >.>
09:04 < wctaiwan> sl3ax: google should have more information. search for stuff like "DNS hierarchy" or something of the sort.
09:04 < Tony_Sidaway> (And needless to say the DNS system is designed as a distributed system with caching).
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09:08 < sl3ax> wctaiwan: i can't find the reason. Can you tell me another time when you see me again in this room?
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09:08 < wctaiwan> sl3ax: [[root name server]] may have some relevant information
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09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> I checked and caching is covered in our article on DNS. "The mechanism in this simple form would place a large operating burden on the root servers, with every search for an address starting by querying one of them. Being as critical as they are to the overall function of the system, such heavy use would create an insurmountable bottleneck for trillions of queries placed every day. In practice caching is used in DNS servers to overcome this
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09:28 < froodphone> Hai favorite administrator :3
09:28 < worm_that_turned> what with the who now?
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09:30 < BarkingFish> howdo :)
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09:45 < BarkingFish> Anyone here understand or read esperanto?
09:46 < BarkingFish> I got an article off of NPP which needs expanding, it was sourced in from the Esperanto wikipedia - http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_2119  / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_2119
09:46 < russavia> barkingfish i have a new friend on eowp if you need help :)
09:46 < BarkingFish> I've done as much as I can, but the infobox is broken as I don't fully understand the layout and what data to copy to where from the EO version of the infobox
09:46 < BarkingFish> russavia, that would be brilliant :)
09:46 < BarkingFish> thanks
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09:47 < russavia> what exactly do you need?
09:47 < BarkingFish> all that needs doing is the correct data out of the esperanto infobox on that galaxy, needs copying into the right places in the English version
09:48 < BarkingFish> I don't understand all the esperanto on their template, so I don't know what to copy to where on the english one.
09:48 < russavia> i'll direct him to you for any questions?
09:48 < BarkingFish> sure :)
09:48 < russavia> ok moment will drop him a note
09:49 < BarkingFish> thanks :D
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09:49 < Dcoetzee> Tony_Sidaway: Re DNS, the other reason is latency
09:50 < Dcoetzee> A single central server would lead to high DNS resolution latency for people overseas, which would slow down just about everything they do.
09:52 < russavia> barkingfish -- http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzanto-Diskuto:Dominik#Request_for_help_with_Esperanto-English
09:52 < BarkingFish> thanks, russavia :)
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09:53 < russavia> barkingfish -- look directly above that ;)
09:53 < BarkingFish> lol
09:53 < BarkingFish> i like
09:54 < russavia> all editors who make of helpings with translatings are rewarded with barnstar of this
09:55 < russavia> barkingfish -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Des_Vacances_de_Malade_Mental.png -- this is a cracker
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09:56 < BarkingFish> :D :D :D
09:56 < BarkingFish> vicious, but very very good
09:59 < russavia> i don't read bbcnews or rian anymore
09:59 < russavia> no need to
09:59 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I'm surprised we have polandball comics on Commons :-)
10:00 < russavia> we have 75 comics now on commons dcoetzee ;)
10:00 < Dcoetzee> Nice :-)
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10:00 < russavia> getting the CC-0 release from Polandball News has been a great boost to the expanding of free culture
10:01 < harej> While I'm in Seattle, I'm going to see if I can release a certain dissertation from 1989.
10:01 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I'm very happy about it too :-)
10:02 < russavia> dcoetzee, i was informed earlier that i have uploaded almost 17,000 files to commons in my time
10:02 < russavia> that's crazy
10:02 < Dcoetzee> Very few artists are willing to embrace CC0 but I really think it's the best license for society at large.
10:02 < russavia> all done "by hand" without use of bots
10:02 < russavia> well it depends on whether one wants to make money from their art i guess
10:03 < russavia> vasya-lozhkin.ru I am having trouble convincing him to release under CC licence, even though he states on his website to do whatever you like with his art
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10:03 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I generally think CC0 is best even for artists who are seeking to build a reputation, on the principle that most people who would attribute you under CC-BY will also attribute you under CC0 anyway. :-P
10:04 < Qcoder02> Hi barkingFish
10:04 < Qcoder02> Pm?
10:04 < Dcoetzee> Really all my work is CC0 and I can't talk people *out* of attributing me. Which is kind of hilarious.
10:04 < BarkingFish> go for it, Qcoder02
10:04 < russavia> it's the same thing with the polandball news comics
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10:05 < russavia> e.g. http://polandball-news.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/schoolgirl-speared-in-head-by-javelin.html#comment-form
10:05 < russavia> Bernd all but said he would even discourage being credited
10:05 < russavia> but commons being commons, we need to provide a source
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10:06 < Dcoetzee> russavia: Yup in order to validate the license of course
10:06 < harej> russavia: if they say "do whatever you like," you can consider it equivalent
10:07 < russavia> not really harej
10:07 < Dcoetzee> harej: We generally don't accept such informal licenses.
10:07 < Dcoetzee> Because they aren't clearly irrevocable, etc.
10:07 < russavia> because they can decide to revoke that "permission" at any time
10:09 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee, all licenses in the US are clearly revocable
10:09 < Qcoder02> Unless you are Stallman arguing :(
10:09 < harej> Stallman doesn't exist.
10:09 < Ironholds> it's called the termination provision ;p
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10:11 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: I can't find any info on that... not sure if you're joking :-P
10:11 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee: you don't know what the termination provision is?
10:11 < Dcoetzee> Can you link more info on it?
10:12 < Dcoetzee> I know what a termination provision is in a contract.
10:12 < Ironholds> Title 17, Chapter 2, Section 203
10:12 < Dcoetzee> Oh I see
10:12 < Ironholds> all licenses and exclusive contracts of copyright transfer are, after 35 years, voidable for a period of 5 years by the author
10:12 < Ironholds> (excluding works for hire, etc)
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10:12 < Dcoetzee> I forgot about that
10:13 < Ironholds> indeed :)
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10:14 < Dcoetzee> I understand that such provision exists to prevent exploitation, etc.
10:14 < Ironholds> yes
10:14 < Dcoetzee> But it does make it hard for us to rely on any license statement indefinitely.
10:14 < Ironholds> the authorship of that act was lobbied by both publishers and authors
10:14 < Dcoetzee> Even CC0... since PD release isn't legally possible in the US.
10:14 < Ironholds> and this was the author provision
10:14 < Ironholds> it's actually weaker than the (eminently sensible) French revocation principle
10:14 < Ironholds> which states that if I hand something to a publisher and they let it go out of print, I get the licensing back.
10:15 < Dcoetzee> I guess it's not different really from us accepting contributions from minors. We already knew those were voidable for a period.
10:15  * Peter-C runs aroun
10:15 < Peter-C> *around
10:15 < Ironholds> either it's not valuable and worth selling, in which case the publisher isn't losing shit, or the publishers are messing me around and it's a form of justice.
10:15 < russavia> barkingfish i got a response already
10:15 < BarkingFish> woo :)
10:15 < russavia> http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzanto-Diskuto:Russavia
10:15 < BarkingFish> is he gonna help?
10:16 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: Such a principle appeals to me from the perspective of looking at how record companies exploit artists, etc. but it appears to provide no recourse for people who really want their stuff to be free, other than obviously not suing people.
10:17 < BarkingFish> okies, russavia - do you want me to post to the user, or are you going to do that?
10:17 < russavia> i can do that if you like?
10:18 < Dcoetzee> Like what if I don't want my widow or children to have the opportunity to terminate my CC0 licenses?
10:18 < BarkingFish> cool, since the dude replied to you, might be easier that way :)
10:18 < Dcoetzee> Apparently I have no option to express that preference in my will. I just have to trust them.
10:19 < russavia> ok will do it shortly....i have to upload 4 more photos for eowp to fulfill my end of the collaborative bargain
10:20 < BarkingFish> okies
10:20 < BarkingFish> thanks again :D
10:20 < russavia> np
10:20 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee: well, that's not really the responsibility of that provision
10:21 < Ironholds> 1978 was a long time before open licensing
10:21 < Dcoetzee> Yeah
10:21 < Ironholds> if you're saying congress didn't predict the future: yes;p
10:21 < Dcoetzee> I'm just saying it requires amendment :-)
10:22 < Ironholds> sue em! Argue the copyright clause allows for positive copyright but does not permit the prohibition of negative copyright
10:22 < Ironholds> and therefore the provision must exist in common law!
10:22 < Ironholds> or something
10:22 < Dcoetzee> I don't think I can sue the government for having shitty laws if they haven't actually harmed me yet. :-P
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10:25 < Ironholds> details, details
10:25 < Dcoetzee> Heh
10:25 < Ironholds> I just want to watch fox news try to explain how something something BAD THING JESUS WOULDN'T LIKE IT something something
10:25 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: In any case I appreciate you reminding me about the termination provision, because it's actually an excellent argument against the idea of banning minor contributions.
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10:26 < Ironholds> is that actually a discussion?
10:26 < Dcoetzee> Not exactly. But some people are really concerned about the idea that minors can void licenses.
10:27 < Jarry1250> Couldn't you just transfer your copyright to some body that wasn't going to "fall into the hands" of your widow or children?
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10:28 < Ironholds> Jarry1250: that would, uh. be a license or transfer ;p
10:28 < Ironholds> which could be voided after 35 years
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10:29 < Dcoetzee> Jarry1250: Yeah like he said, the widow/children could void the transfer and the license both.
10:29 < Ironholds> actually, hmn
10:29  * Ironholds scratches his head
10:29 < Jarry1250> You can retrospectively void a transfer?
10:29 < Ironholds> you could be sorta-conniving
10:29 < Ironholds> include in your will a provision of transfer that voids the transfer provision for another 35 years
10:29 < Dcoetzee> Jarry1250: Past uses of the work would not become copyright infringement but they would lose ownership.
10:29 < Ironholds> and then hope to hell your work's copyright will've expired by then ;p
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10:30 < Jarry1250> Dcoetzee: Oh, I see.
10:30 < Ironholds> you'd have to do it twice to make it work, though. bleh.
10:30 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: If we're lucky within our lifetimes the duration of copyright will be limited to something more sane :-P
10:30 < Ironholds> indeed
10:30 < Ironholds> worst-case, include a will provision
10:31 < Ironholds> "you getting any of my shit is dependent on you agreeing not to void these licenses"
10:31 < Dcoetzee> Heh that works
10:31 < Demiurge1000> Within our lifetimes, Hollywood will control the duration of copyright, and will appoint Andrew Orlowski as its agent to decide such things
10:31 < Isarra> So guys, I'm reading the RfC about the level one user warnings, and there are a lot of concerns here that were never addressed... would there be any proper place to try to get them addressed?
10:31 < Jarry1250> Could work. Might not :P
10:31 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: But if they violate that, who's going to enforce it? The executor of the will?
10:31 < Ironholds> Isarra: link?
10:31 < Jarry1250> Ironholds: In the UK, does the Tresury Solicitor administer copyright in bona vacantia? :/
10:32 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee: or the courts. over here, at least, the courts play a substantial role in trusts law, along with the AG.
10:32 < Isarra> Ironholds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Level_one_user_warnings#Not_yet.2C_they_need_editing
10:32 < Isarra> A lot of these edits really would have helped. >.<
10:32 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: I see
10:33 < Ironholds> Jarry1250: indeed, they have a Bona Vacantia subdepartment, iirc
10:33 < Ironholds> Isarra: I have no idea :S
10:33  * Ironholds is having a fun morning of page patrol
10:33 < Jarry1250> Isarra: Why not just start a few proposals to amend?
10:33 < Jarry1250> Tuh, so even if you kill off your nearest relatives, you could still get stung. Hmm.
10:33 < Peter-C> Is their an underground Wikimania strip poker match?
10:34 < Isarra> I only noticed because there was an edit war on one of the templates about grammar that makes no sense that linked where it was mentioned here.
10:34 < BarkingFish> okies, i'm out for a while - gonna go mow my front lawn before it gets dark :)
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10:34 < Isarra> Jarry1250: Where?
10:34 < BarkingFish> still here, but away, so if you want to leave a note, pm and i'll pick it up when I get back
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10:36 < Isarra> Do RfCs actually work?
10:36 < Ironholds> Isarra: yup! we've had loads of stuff result from them
10:36 < Ironholds> the trick is phrasing and structuring them in the right way
10:36 < Isarra> ...was it good stuff?
10:36 < Jarry1250> Isarra: No need to go big though
10:36 < Jarry1250> Surely tweaks can just be done small scale.
10:36 < Shirik> pending changes
10:36 < Shirik> lol.
10:37 < Isarra> Most of the ones I've seen involved a lot of people raising various concerns and a lot of other people ignoring them.
10:37 < Shirik> blp-prod was the result of an RFC iirc
10:37 < Dcoetzee> WP needs some radical changes. But naturally such changes face more criticism.
10:37 < Ironholds> Isarra: NOINDEXing new pages, BLP-PROD, wider people having access to AFT5
10:37 < Isarra> Particularly fun are the RfC/Us where the user never even shows up.
10:37 < Dcoetzee> I totally missed the BLP prod RFC.
10:38 < Dcoetzee> Which makes me sad cause I hate it
10:38 < Isarra> >.<
10:39 < Isarra> At least you didn't ignore it because you saw it, figured you were too clueless to have anything useful to add, and then left it to the more experienced editors...
10:39 < Dcoetzee> Heh
10:39 < Isarra> I did that with the user warnings one and a month later looked back and was just like WTF?!
10:39  * Isarra mumbles incoherently.
10:40 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Fluffernutter] by ChanServ
10:40 < Dcoetzee> Speak or have no voice :-)
10:40 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.178.73.63] by Fluffernutter
10:40 < Isarra> And now there are revert wars over the grammar.
10:40 < Ironholds> AAAGH
10:40 < Isarra> I assumed wikipedians were competent to at very least construct sentences that make sense.
10:40 < Isarra> Faulty assumption, apparently.
10:40 < Ironholds> someone has been creating a trillion stupid redirects to A-B relations articles
10:40 < Isarra> Ban them.
10:40 < Isarra> Then ban everyone else.
10:41 < Jarry1250> Ironholds: Not again?
10:41 < Jarry1250> We've been there, done that, no? Like ages ago.
10:41 < Ironholds> that'd involve banning people I like.
10:41 < Ironholds> Jarry1250: yeah, now it's redirects.
10:41 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o Fluffernutter] by ChanServ
10:41 < Jarry1250> Isarra: Just BRD, I guess?
10:41  * Peter-C licks Fluffernutter
10:41 < Ironholds> Kconwiki
10:41 < Isarra> Jarry1250: WHERE?
10:41 < Jarry1250> Ironholds: Meh, I'd try to just ignore them.
10:41 < Ironholds> Isarra: Jarry1250 is referring to A-B relations articles, not to banning everyone
10:41 < Ironholds> Jarry1250: sure, but I have to clear this damn backlog of shit to be patrolled
10:41 < Mdann52> Peter-C, you really need to stop licking people...
10:41  * Fluffernutter bans everyone twice a week
10:42 < Ironholds> Mdann52: I'm hoping he'll catch something and die
10:42  * Peter-C licks Mdann52
10:42 < Isarra> I thought he was referring to making changes.
10:42 < Jarry1250> Ironholds: Oh, yeah, ha, sucks to be you :P
10:42 < Isarra> To things.
10:42 < Mdann52> Peter-C, big mistake
10:42 < Peter-C> :o
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10:43  * Mdann52 's viruses infect Peter-C
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10:43 < Peter-C> :O
10:43  * Peter-C eats them happily
10:44 < Shirik> o.O
10:44 < Mdann52> Peter-C, is there anything you don't ready?
10:44 < Mdann52> Acid yesterday, viruses today...
10:44 < Mdann52> The Wikipedia server tomorrow if we aren't careful....
10:45 < Peter-C> Ooo, good idea
10:45  * Peter-C eats the squid servers
10:46 < mysterytrey> Remember, Mdann52, WP:BEANS
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10:46 < Mdann52> Oh............
10:46 < Peter-C> Squid servers, do not taste like squid
10:46 < Mdann52> Peter-C, why don't you try eating yourself?
10:46 < Peter-C> naw
10:48 < Ironholds> they do not, no
10:48 < Ironholds> and please don't eat the squids, I spent hours racking them
10:49 < Peter-C> You do server installs too?
10:49 < Ironholds> C.T. keeps jokingly going "there are some new servers showing up in ashburn! Want to go rack them?"
10:49 < Peter-C> What haven’t you doen for the WMF
10:49 < Ironholds> when I was in Amsterdam we got a delivery of 32 new servers for the Haarelem datacentre, I helped a bit.
10:49 < Ironholds> uhm. felicia day.
10:49 < Peter-C> ah
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10:49 < Ironholds> Although if I could make doing felicia day part of my paid job I would not be here.
10:49 < Ironholds> Jarry1250: good timing ;p
10:50 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned, tried the new patrolling tool? :)
10:50 < worm_that_turned> Nope, I haven't done any patrolling in ages
10:50 < worm_that_turned> gotta link?
10:51 < Ironholds> [[Special:NewPagesFeed]]
10:51 < Ironholds> it's my baby. oh, and jorm helped a tad :P
10:51 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: Btw are you free to speak at all about the technical issue brought down AFT5 for a lil while?
10:51 < Ironholds> (there are users sat on my talkpage giving me barnstars for coming up with the idea. I didn't, I just tidied around the edges. He gets adorably pissy about it)
10:52 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee: sure! So, the database structure meant that we weren't comfortable going above 10 percent until we'd sharded the damn thing. So we went to 10 percent and held.
10:52 < Dcoetzee> Holy shit NewPagesFeed is live on enwp? Nice
10:52 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: Ahhh I see
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10:52 < Isarra> Am I the only one who finds the newpagesfeed and curation toolbar really ugly?
10:52 < Ironholds> except it turned out we were on the oldest and most rickety of the db servers (it was actually meant to be replaced a week before the painful death)
10:52 < Dcoetzee> Uh oh
10:52 < Demiurge1000> It's like the fall of Saigon. Sort of.
10:53 < Isarra> I'd say it fits in with the rest of wikipedia, but it's ugly in a different way.
10:53 < Ironholds> and, uh. yeah. cue juuust too many API queries.
10:53 < Ironholds> *asplode*
10:53 < Isarra> Why is wikipedia so fond of weird shades of beige?
10:53 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: No data loss though?
10:53 < Ironholds> naw, all safe and secure
10:53 < Dcoetzee> Woo
10:53 < Ironholds> in the meantime we've switched servers and fixed the API issue
10:53 < Ironholds> now we play the waiting game until they shard.
10:53 < Ironholds> and then, boom! 100 percent.
10:53 < Dcoetzee> Woo :-)
10:54 < Ironholds> Also, re newpagesfeed, it's been live since...May?
10:54  * Dcoetzee is late to the party
10:54 < Ironholds> I basically went "we need to stop asking people to comment on screenshots, you can't work out methodology or bugs from that. just deploy the prototype and let them USE it"
10:54 < Ironholds> and we did! and on thursday we deployed the curation toolbar
10:55 < Dcoetzee> I agree with that. Screenshots also tend to lead to bikeshedding.
10:55 < Ironholds> indeed, because the only thing to comment on IS the colour or copy on the bikeshed
10:55 < Ironholds> and sure, we used to deploy a prototype
10:55 < Ironholds> ...on prototype. which isn't SULd. and is ugly and slow and external.
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10:55 < Ironholds> and then we'd wonder why nobody ever said shit.
10:55 < Dcoetzee> Yep
10:55 < Ironholds> (and, of course, it's a completely different environment; you just don't get the permutations of circumstance there that you get on production)
10:56 < worm_that_turned> Tis well snazzy, Ironholds.... my compliments to Jorm
10:56 < Dcoetzee> I mean obviously a round of basic poking on a test server is a good initial stage. But trying to get realistic use scenarios from that is silly.
10:56 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: and who else? ;p
10:56 < worm_that_turned> no, one else :P
10:56 < Ironholds> then I shall tell the developers to accidentally void your entry in the user table
10:56 < russavia> ok barkingfish have uploaded my 50 quota -- will go ask esperantoballs for help
10:56 < worm_that_turned> gah stupid comma
10:57 < Ironholds> since you do not appreciate them ;p
10:57 < worm_that_turned> lol :)
10:57 < worm_that_turned> since you'vebeing going on about this for as long as I can remember, I'm glad it's come to fruition
10:58 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: Do you have any stats on clickthrough numbers on the "View reader feedback" links on talk pages?
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11:02 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee: we do!
11:02 < Ironholds> "not optimistic"
11:02 < Ironholds> We're looking at more prominent linkage
11:02 < Dcoetzee> :-) I'm glad
11:02 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: so now I'll shut the hell up?
11:02 < worm_that_turned> I don't think anything would cause that to happen :)
11:02  * Ironholds wants it noted that he knew this would happen months back and feels very self-satisfied
11:03 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: oh, I can remove your need to listen to me forever. 9mm or 10mm?
11:03 < worm_that_turned> bah-dum-tish.
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11:03 < worm_that_turned> Gotta ask though, is WikiLove that beneficial that it needs to be on the little tool box?
11:04 < Ironholds> as in, is it now being used or is it beneficial regardless?
11:05 < Dcoetzee> I don't think it'd be used much at all if it were buried.
11:05 < worm_that_turned> Generally, has the foundation seen that much of a benefit since adding that little heart button to the top of the page?
11:05 < Ironholds> well, I use it regularly ;p. but I dunno if we have numbers on it
11:05 < Dcoetzee> I think there was a paper on Wikilove ummmm
11:05 < worm_that_turned> editor retention up? in cases it's used etc...
11:07 < Dcoetzee> worm_that_turned: It's a bit hard to study because its effects are longitudinal but I thought somebody wrote something about it... looking...
11:07 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: that's hard to judge because of the downward trend. it could be retarding that trend, of course.
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11:08 < worm_that_turned> Cheers Dcoetzee. I can see the general benefits, I'm just really surprised to see it on the new page feed interface.
11:08 < Dcoetzee> Oh I see
11:08 < Dcoetzee> I haven't looked much at that yet
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11:09 < Dcoetzee> It seems like a good idea to me.
11:09 < worm_that_turned> Doesn't seem like a bad one to me.
11:09 < Dcoetzee> In the past I've often manually offered positive feedback to writers of cool new articles.
11:09 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: you should see the two silver bullets we're working on
11:09 < Dcoetzee> Whether it's objectively good, I have no idea, it hasn't been around long enough.
11:09 < Ironholds> Dcoetzee: same! there's actually now a feature where, when you hit patrol, you're given the option to leave a comment semi-automatically
11:10  * worm_that_turned know's he's hirsuit, but is fairly sure he's not a werewolf
11:10 < Ironholds> 1) a full, centralised, deletion tagging log
11:10 < russavia> barkingfish -- do you speak french?
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11:10 < Ironholds> *hirsute
11:10 < Ironholds> but 2, 2 is awesome.
11:10 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I speak French if that's helpful...
11:10 < Ironholds> keyboard. accelerators.
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11:10 < worm_that_turned> pffft @ spelling
11:11 < worm_that_turned> very interesting
11:11 < russavia> the editor that was recommended at http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzanto-Diskuto:Russavia only speaks French and Esperanto-3
11:11  * Ironholds cackles
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11:12 < russavia> which itself is in relation to http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzanto-Diskuto:Dominik#Request_for_help_with_Esperanto-English
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11:12 < Ironholds> harej, baby
11:12 < harej> hi hold
11:13 < russavia> dcoetzee, i'll wait for Dominik to reply and see if he can help, you think?
11:14 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I remain somewhat confused about what is needed
11:14 < Dcoetzee> Is the idea that your request in English may not be understood?
11:14 < russavia> don't worry just yet, i'll wait to see if dominik can help first
11:14 < Dcoetzee> Okay
11:15 < mysterytrey> What is #wikipedia-en-accounts all about?
11:17 < Mdann52> Account creaters to discuss making accounts
11:17 < mysterytrey> Oh.
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11:21 < harej> Ironholds, I am officially on vacation, but vacation is working and I feel like doing work again.
11:21 < Isarra> Do RfCs deciding wordings for things prevent future changes without accompanying RfCs?
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11:26 < BarkingFish> Isarra, I'd presume that if the change to whatever wording it is, is so controversial it requires an RFC to get it through, any future change would also require an RFC.
11:26 < Isarra> That seems somewhat counterproductive.
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11:27 < Isarra> Most RfCs like that are more general, though, no? Changing an overall - why should it preclude later much more specific tweaks to whatever the RfC came up with?
11:28 < BarkingFish> such is wikipedia, Isarra - bureaucratic and complicated, but we're stuck with it like that.
11:28 < Isarra> So how many people do I have to beat up to get my way?
11:29 < BarkingFish> roughly 3/4 of whoever participates in the rfc, i'd guess
11:29 < Ironholds> harej: nice!
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11:33 < Isarra> Innit usually more like 2/3?
11:33 < BarkingFish> whatever :P
11:34 < BarkingFish> 2/3, 3/4, 25/40... i have no idea which is bigger, just beat up most of them and you can make sure that way :)
11:34 < Isarra> Wouldn't beating up people I happen to agree with as well cause more problems?
11:35 < mysterytrey> Never.
11:35 < Mdann52> 3/4 is bigger btw
11:35 < BarkingFish> you don't beat up the ones who agree with you, Isarra - just the ones who don't :)
11:35 < mysterytrey> Beating people up only /solves/ problems.
11:35 < BarkingFish> and thanks, Mdann52 - math never was my strong point
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11:36 < Isarra> What about the ones who bring up valid points that everyone ignores? Should I beat up everyone who ignores them?
11:37 < BarkingFish> easy way out of this, Isarra - Beat up the people who are ignoring them, beat up the ones who are pissed with you for beating up the people who ignored the valid points, and you should be good to go.
11:37 < BarkingFish> Anything else, you can decide :P
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11:38 < Isarra> I'm starting to think nuking the wikipedia namespace may be the easiest solution.
11:38 < SigmaWP> What to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LauraRenee360&rcid=522160066&redirect=no
11:38 < Isarra> Nuke it.
11:39 < Isarra> Oh, move it.
11:39 < SigmaWP> Move iw there?
11:39 < SigmaWP> Move it where?
11:39 < SigmaWP> He/she/it already has a userpage
11:39 < Isarra> Adam Mugliston's AAU subpage?
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11:40 < Isarra> Well, maybe not. But it looks like that was where it was supposed to be, at least.
11:40 < SigmaWP> I'll leave it and see if thye notice their mistake
11:40 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: can I ask a question?
11:40 < Isarra> Doesn't say he adopted that user, but it couldn't hurt to ask either of them.
11:41 < worm_that_turned> of course
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11:42 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: how do you like patrolling through Special:NewPagesFeed rather than the old system, and would you be willing to record a screencast about it? :)
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11:43 < worm_that_turned> It looks a lot easier to me, but I'm not sure I'd be the best choice - I haven't patrolled in months.
11:43 < worm_that_turned> actually, over a year
11:43 < Ironholds> exactly
11:43 < Isarra> Hey worm_that_turned, you're an admin and good at deal with new users, could you move https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LauraRenee360 to [[User:Adam mugliston/Adopt/Entry/LauraRenee360]] and drop them notes about the thing? >.>
11:43 < Ironholds> :D
11:43 < Isarra> at dealing*
11:44 < Ironholds> we want to know how people who haven't patrolled in ages/people who have patrolled/people who have not patrolled like it
11:44 < worm_that_turned> on it Isarra
11:44  * Isarra hugs worm_that_turned.
11:44 < Isarra> Thank you.
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11:45 < worm_that_turned> Ah, in that case quite possibly.
11:45 < worm_that_turned> what sort of timescale were you looking for.
11:45 < Mdann52> Is there a page on the new curator tools yet?
11:45 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: "next few weeks" *shrugs*. It's just so we can check we haven't missed anything horribly bad.
11:46 < worm_that_turned> I'll see what I can do :)
11:46 < Ironholds> thanks :)
11:46 < worm_that_turned> Either that... or I could go and grab a coffee and do it now.
11:46 < worm_that_turned> Hmmm
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11:47 < foks> Mo Farah wins gold!!
11:47 < foks> :D
11:47 < worm_that_turned> Really? Go Mo!
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11:49 < LikeLakers2> wtf
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12:00 < SigmaWP> worm_that_turned: " For one thing, brand new editors can't create pages," Wrong, but I wish you were correct
12:01 < worm_that_turned> Can they?
12:01 < SigmaWP> Yep
12:01 < worm_that_turned> I thought you needed to be autoconfirmed...
12:01 < Mdann52> Rollback button + iPod = accidents
12:01 < SigmaWP> Nope
12:01 < Ironholds> worm_that_turned: naw, they had an RfC on making that the case
12:01 < Ironholds> we said no.
12:02 < SigmaWP> Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericon%2C_Oregon
12:02 < worm_that_turned> Well there you go. you learn something new each day :)
12:02 < Ironholds> today, I learnt why our logo is WikipediA
12:02 < Jamietw> Why?
12:03 < worm_that_turned> aesthetic, so the globe doesn't roll off?
12:03 < Ironholds> nope
12:03 < Jamietw> Greek letter?
12:03 < Ironholds> nope
12:03 < Ironholds> much more banal
12:03 < Jamietw> Start of the alphabet?
12:03 < Ironholds> before MediaWiki we used a wiki suite called UseModWiki, where links were made by CamelcasE instead of [[]]
12:04 < Ironholds> it is literally OLDER THAN MEDIAWIKI
12:04 < worm_that_turned> ah, so it makes it a link
12:04 < BarkingFish> 0.0
12:04 < SigmaWP> Yay perl power!
12:05 < SigmaWP> Ironholds: Is that also why mediawikiwiki's logo has [[]]?
12:05 < MJ94> In général, in papiers, do you underline or italicize book names?
12:05 < MJ94> general, papers
12:05 < MJ94> I hate autocorrect
12:05 < MJ94> wtf spanish
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12:06 < Ironholds> SigmaWP: that too
12:06 < MJ94> Like "Eboo Patel's <u>Acts of Fait</u>
12:06 < Ironholds> MJ94: I italicise
12:06 < MJ94> or <i>Acts of Faith</i>
12:06 < MJ94> Ironholds: thanks :)
12:06 < Jmajeremy> Book names are generally italicized, but may be underlined if italics are impossible
12:08 < MartijnH> I can't say that my English is stellar, but who the hell writes this (and what does it mean?) "On Agora é Tarde, Danilo Gentili combines humor and comments of the news of the day without the humor used when had interviewing politicians as a CQC's member. The more used word to define the show is entertainment: "It's the show where we would like to watch", said Danilo Gentili."
12:09 < MartijnH> what is this I don't even
12:09 < MartijnH> "The show was debuted as a "questionable bet" by broadcaster, for not was started with a sponsor and a few people offering himself to be interviewed."
12:09 < MartijnH> wut?
12:10 < foks> Clearly written by a non-native speaker ;)
12:10 < MartijnH> yeah, it's a brazillian TV show. And I roughly understand what he means, so I can fix it up somewhat
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12:10 < foks> "The show was debuted as a "questionable bet" by the broadcaster, because it did not initially have a sponsor and had few people offering to be interviewed."
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12:11 < foks> I guess
12:11 < MartijnH> yeah, that'd be my guess too.
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12:13 < MartijnH> " In a few months has become one of the more watched show of the broadcaster, which has won him eulogies and success with the public."
12:14 < MartijnH> dude, wtf
12:14 < Isarra> Snrk.
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12:15 < mareklug> accolades not eulogies
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12:18 < Peter-C> Question: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephenwanjau&action=edit&section=new
12:18 < Peter-C> Does this mess with the size of the sidebar?
12:19 < Peter-C> Or is Chrome dying
12:19 < worm_that_turned> blows things up for me :)
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12:21 < foks> Peter-C, looks like he's missing a </div> in the editnotice
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12:24 < mareklug> USA volleyball women caved in to Brazil after one great set, Brazil defends gold.
12:25 < foks> Aww
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12:25 < mareklug> they only lost 2 sets prior to the final and beat Brazil handily in group play, so…. surprise.
12:27 < russavia> mareklug --- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Germany_beats_Brazil_beach_volleyball_(Polandball).png
12:27 < SigmaWP> Peter-C: Chrome sucks
12:27 < Peter-C> YOU SUCK
12:27  * Peter-C tosses SigmaWP out the window
12:27 < SigmaWP> Wrong again
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12:28 < Peter-C> I am adding an article to Persian Wiki
12:28 < Peter-C> WTF am I doing
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12:31 < Qcoder02> Evening Pater-C
12:31 < Qcoder02> Peter-C:  I have an idea on something
12:31 < Qcoder02> :)
12:31 < Peter-C> ?
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12:32 < russavia> who's prioryman going to arbcom over? youreallycan perhaps?
12:32 < Qcoder02> I was planning on running some stuff on my own channel
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12:35 < mareklug> USA is destroying the competition in 4x400 m women's relay
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12:41 < Peter-C> I suck at Persian
12:42 < Theo|ipod> better than me
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12:47 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6F953B5C3930E6F8&v=7JjWOcg1i90&feature=player_detailpage
12:48 < mareklug> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57491517/female-syrian-olympic-hurdler-ghfran-almouhamad-dqd-for-doping/
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12:50 < mareklug> "American judo fighter Nick Delpopolo was expelled after testing positive during competition for marijuana, which he said he unintentionally consumed in something he ate."    <-- brownies?
12:51 < foks> loooool
12:53 < BarkingFish> probably.  guess who's been visiting the dutch camp after hours, hmmm? :P
12:54 < Demiurge1000> I think Rob might be somewhat angry (see edit summary) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Youreallycan&curid=36639714&diff=506930951&oldid=506928997
12:54 < Demiurge1000> oh, "not a PA" means "this is not a personal attack"... no idea what "ctable" means
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12:55 < russavia> there is no way that he will vanish
12:56 < russavia> ask him why he told me to fuck off with my queer agenda, when LGBT topics weren't even involved
12:56 < russavia> he's a teenage homophobic twit
12:57 < foks> YRC? Teenage?
12:57 < foks> highly doubt that
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12:57 < russavia> he's either teenage
12:57 < russavia> or not "
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12:57 < russavia> he's definitely not british-born
12:58 < russavia> it comes across as one or the other
12:58 < Demiurge1000> Yes, it is true that he's either teenage or not.
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12:58 < worm_that_turned> who are we talking about?
12:59 < russavia> it's disgusting he gets away with homophobic slurs and attacks
12:59 < foks> YRC.
12:59 < russavia> youreallycan worm
12:59 < worm_that_turned> ah
12:59 < russavia> even more disgusting is that admins unblock him
13:00 < Demiurge1000> Nableezy was disgusted yesterday, too. Or maybe the day before.
13:00 < BarkingFish> I think prioryman wasn't too thrilled either :)
13:00 < SigmaWP> Does YRC write FAs?
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13:01 < BarkingFish> "Your approach to this RFC/U is putting me in mind not much of a turkey voting for Christmas as one who not only votes for Christmas but also bastes himself, sticks an apple up his own arse and presents himself on a plate ready to be eaten."  :P
13:01 < russavia> anyway, it's all good value
13:01 < Theopolisme> heh
13:01 < russavia> having eaten lots of popcorn watching the sideshow
13:01 < Demiurge1000> BarkingFish: I thought my Socrates analogy was more apt.
13:02 < Logan_> Hello.
13:02 < SigmaWP> Logan_: I was going to tell you something yesterday, but I forgot
13:02 < Logan_> That's fascinating.
13:02  * Theopolisme gives another Heh
13:04 < mareklug> Jamaica 4x100 m world record and gold
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13:04 < Logan_> Looks like there's a bureaucratic discussion happening for Mlpearc's RfA.
13:05 < russavia> barkingfish. that retort above would surely make for a nice photo on commons
13:06 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Youreallycan  and so it begins
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13:08  * Demiurge1000 blanks it 'cos "Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request" is not a valid diff
13:08 < mareklug> Canada disql.  in relay.   no bronze, Trinidad instead.
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13:08 < Logan_> Oh, PeterSymonds is here.
13:08 < Logan_> The PM!
13:10 < BarkingFish> mareklug, what was the disqualification for?
13:11 < mareklug> dunno.  there may be a protest.
13:11 < mareklug> all cameras are on the Jamaicans.
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13:12 < foks> What, Canada were third in the 4x100?
13:13 < foks> I can't even name one Canadian 100m runner
13:13 < mareklug> yeah, but not for long
13:13 < russavia> ben johnson?
13:13 < russavia> ^^ foks
13:13 < foks> nope, not heard of him
13:13 < foks> but then again I'm not a massive athletics person
13:13 < mareklug> gold medal and doping
13:13 < russavia> oh...yeah that's going back to Canada's glory days in track lol
13:14 < foks> And using the same logic I haven't heard of a single T&T runner either, so...
13:14  * foks is just an idiot
13:14 < mareklug> T&T 19yo won javelin tonite
13:14 < foks> that's good!
13:14 < foks> I didn't watch that.
13:15 < foks> I'm watching the diving
13:15 < russavia> i bet you are XD
13:15 < foks> I am1
13:15 < foks> *!
13:15 < foks> Wait.
13:15 < foks> >:(
13:15 < mareklug> USA has 99 medals now.  +1 for women's ball final game contested now.
13:15 < russavia> no i'm watching too
13:15 < russavia> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/olympics-or-gay-porn
13:15 < foks> haha
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13:16 < russavia> mexicano needs to shave his inner thigh
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13:16 < russavia> not a good look
13:17 < foks> Only five countries since WWI have won 30 golds in one Olympic games
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13:17 < foks> GB is currently on 28
13:17 < foks> Unlikely we'll hit 30, but
13:17 < mareklug> are u counting USSR and Russia as one?
13:17 < foks> Not my stat
13:18 < mareklug> i have GB on 27
13:19 < foks> 29 apparently
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13:19 < foks> we just won a gold in the boxing
13:19 < mareklug> ah.  ans sailing?
13:19 < foks> perhaps
13:20 < foks> No, 28.
13:20 < foks> Someone on Twitter is clearly getting too excited
13:20 < foks> :p
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13:22 < mareklug> USA has 100.  that's b4 women's bball
13:23 < foks> well done :)
13:23 < mareklug> 15 more than China, 4 gold more, too.
13:24 < foks> David Goudia is looking pretty good for another gold in the diving to be honest
13:25 < foks> Uh, Boudia?
13:25 < foks> Yeah, Boudia. Heh.
13:25 < russavia> foks, you would have been correct saying simply "David Goudia is looking pretty good"
13:25 < foks> He's totally not, though
13:25 < foks> He's got weird-ass shoulders
13:26 < russavia> true
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13:26 < russavia> but i'd be willing to look past that
13:26 < BarkingFish> any news on Tom Daley from the Men's dive this evening?
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13:26 < BarkingFish> I know he qualified 4th
13:26 < russavia> but then again, it prob gives him extra flexibility
13:27 < russavia> daley is sitting in third
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13:28 < BarkingFish> how many more dives, russavia?
13:28 < mareklug> this was some day for Russia, by my reckoning, 17 medals
13:28 < russavia> 4th round justcompleted
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13:33 < foks> I think there are six rounds, BarkingFish
13:33 < BarkingFish> cool. i hope he stays in the medals after the failure of the pairs dives with Pete Waterfield.
13:33 < foks> He's not looking bad to be honest - very, very tough competition though
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13:34 < BarkingFish> it'll be good for him to go home with something. He was shit hot in qualifying, i saw some of the qualifier dives earlier
13:34 < mareklug> the Chinese have a way of winning these thongs
13:34 < mareklug> things
13:34 < BarkingFish> yes, mareklug - it's called steroids :P
13:35 < foks> BarkingFish, Daley was miles better in the semis
13:35 < russavia> barkingfish, you could have simply said "he was shit hot" -- nothing more required
13:35 < foks> hah
13:35 < BarkingFish> no, seriously though, I have noticed the amount of these events the chinese seem to pick up. Maybe the rest of the world has the wrong work ethic.
13:35 < russavia> i didn't get to see Daley's semi foks
13:35 < russavia> was it impressive?
13:35 < foks> It was pretty ace.
13:35 < foks> It was better than his prelims anyway.
13:35 < BarkingFish> In europe it's work until you're tired. In China, it's work until you drop. When you can stand up, you can work some more.
13:35 < russavia> zoooooooooooooom
13:35 < foks> lool
13:36 < russavia> right over foks' head
13:36 < foks> Oh.
13:36 < foks> Fuck youuuu
13:36 < foks> <3
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13:36 < russavia> lol
13:36 < foks> Daley to jump now.
13:36 < foks> :3
13:36 < russavia> so anyway, daley's semi was impressive
13:36 < russavia> nice
13:37 < foks> and it's good!
13:37 < foks> 97.2 ooft
13:38 < russavia> daley to take the lead?
13:38 < BarkingFish> good score for him, i hope he can keep these dives going at this level of quality
13:38 < MartijnH> anyone wants to do a quick article review/copyedit for me?
13:38 < MartijnH> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenallachie
13:39 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement_by_Youreallycan   nah nah nah...nah nah nah.....hey hey hey.....good bye
13:40 < worm_that_turned> What on earth is going on with YRC... didn't he used to be normal?
13:40 < russavia> no worm
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13:40 < PeterSymonds> Normal on Wikipedia?
13:40 < russavia> he's always been a completely fucked up unit
13:40 < foks> Daley's in the lead!
13:41 < foks> Christ on a bike
13:41 < mareklug> MartijnH:  "The distillery draws it water from sping an snow water fed burns on Ben Rinnes. "   <-- multiple issues here.
13:41 < worm_that_turned> I see
13:41 < foks> 0.15 ahead...
13:41 < MartijnH> thanks
13:41 < russavia> it's funny...when newyorkbrad looks like wanting to ban someone, you know you are fucked
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13:42 < MartijnH> "The distillery draws it water from sping fed and snow water fed burns on Ben Rinnes."
13:42 < MartijnH> is that proper english?
13:42 < mareklug> its water
13:42 < foks> Sort of.
13:42 < MartijnH> argh
13:43 < foks> "The distillery draws its water from spring water burns on Ben Rinnes."
13:43 < mareklug> spring-fed, i'd thonk
13:43 < mareklug> think
13:43 < foks> "burns" = "streams"
13:43 < mareklug> snomelt-fed
13:43 < foks> If Ben Rinnes is in Scotland
13:43 < russavia> *thonk? is that when you bang your head on the wall at the same time as thinking?
13:43 < mareklug> snowmelt-fed err
13:43 < foks> 'cos "burn" is a scottish word
13:43 < MartijnH> it is
13:44 < foks> Then it draws its water from freshwater burns
13:44 < MartijnH> stream, brook, burn, it's all the same to me
13:44 < foks> which may or may not be made of melted snow
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13:44 < mareklug> in the USA no one will know what a burn is, but stream works everywhere
13:45 < MartijnH> any other comments/fixes?
13:46 < mareklug> watch the hyphenation.
13:46 < foks> MartijnH, I can give you a wee copyedit aye
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13:47 < MartijnH> that be grand foks
13:47 < russavia> martijnh to reply in the scots spirit that foks has written to you in, you are required to at least call him a wanker
13:48 < MartijnH> aye, he is a wanker
13:49 < BarkingFish> er, MartijnH - i think russavia was pulling your leg :P
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13:49 < MartijnH> "some people 'ate the English, but I don't, I just think they're wankers. We on the other hand were colonised by wankers"
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13:50 < foks> MartijnH, >:(
13:50 < mareklug> colonized = erm, from colon?
13:51 < Dcoetzee> MartijnH: There are a lot of articles by non-native speakers around, especially Indians, but they're usually not too hard to clean up. Sometimes though you just have no idea what they're saying.
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13:51 < russavia> scots wikipedia had some great articles
13:51 < MartijnH> Dcoetzee, I wrote that article :/
13:51 < russavia> too bad they are since deleted :(
13:52 < russavia> martijnh funny you brought up trainspotting -- http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/306/122/307.png  -- britain to a t!
13:52 < Dcoetzee> MartijnH: I didn't mean that one, I was responding to your comments much earlier :-)
13:53 < MartijnH> ah, that one, that was from brazillian portuguese. There are parts where I could understand what he meant and clean it up, but some parts, I really don't have a clue what he was trying to say
13:53 < MartijnH> or more - somewhat of an idea, but can't quite make out what exactly he meant
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13:54 < Dcoetzee> MartijnH: My strategy when uncertain is to check other language versions and/or the original sources.
13:55 < russavia> dcoetzee, you mean to say you don't just make stuff up?
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13:55 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I mean more that I avoid guessing wrong :-P
13:55 < MartijnH> that usually is the best idea, but sometimes/often stuff isn't that well supported by references either, or the machine translation of the sources is equally incomprehensible
13:56 < MartijnH> or they are off-line sources I can't access
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13:58 < foks> Daley gets the bronze!
13:58 < foks> well done that man
13:58 < foks> USA take the gold
14:00 < russavia> well we get to mitcham soon innit?
14:00 < russavia> foks, ya wanker
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14:01 < russavia> oh shit, just catching up, he bailed out
14:01 < foks> Mitcham didn't make the final
14:01 < foks> nope
14:05 < Demiurge1000> Arbitrators would "prefer not to" enforce decorum?!? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAGK&diff=506939069&oldid=506938324  OMG.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartleby,_the_Scrivener !!!
14:05 < MartijnH> by the way, the redlinkness of the article demonstrates the deplorable state of our whisky related articles quite well
14:08 < Apheori> Does huggle support ipv6?
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14:09 < BarkingFish> Anyone here with basic russian knowledge who can tell me what the fuck this says? "Бездомные собаки возле кафе "Фанни пицца" на улице Усиевича в Москве"
14:10 < BarkingFish> I'm going round commons adding descriptions to files which don't have them in English.
14:10 < worm_that_turned> I might get some popcorn...
14:10 < BarkingFish> don't get the buttered kind then, worm_that_turned!!!
14:10 < russavia> barkingfish
14:10 < MartijnH> Apheori, I think there were some issues
14:10 < MartijnH> best ask in #huggle
14:11 < mareklug> BarkingFish:  "Stray dogs near the café "Fannie pizza" on the street Usievicha in Moscow"  google
14:11 < BarkingFish> Yeah, I googled it too mareklug - I wanted real russian in case google had done it's usual trick of buggering things up :)
14:11 < russavia> Stray dogs near "Fannies Pizza" on Usiyevich street in Moscow
14:11 < BarkingFish> Thanks russavia
14:13 < Apheori> Does windows support ipv6?
14:13 < mareklug> BarkingFish:  but it didn't, it even has the word café in the Russian
14:14 < BarkingFish> "on the street Usievicha"?
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14:15 < mareklug> and the Russian word for "stray" here is literally "homeless"
14:15 < BarkingFish> i gotta reboot, i've edited the page and now the dang thing won't save.  I think my net connection is borked.
14:15 < mareklug> it declined the street name
14:15 < BarkingFish> Back in 2 shakes of a lamb's tail :)
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14:32 < russavia> barkingfish, don't ask me WHY, but sluch.jpg was on my watchlist lol
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14:41 < Trenton> *bump*
14:44 < russavia> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/580133_366584726748909_53024475_n.jpg
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14:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia have I thanked you? :/
14:49 < haggis> russavia: :O
14:49 < haggis> that's offensive
14:50 < russavia> for what toaru?
14:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> them tpi :3
14:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I cannot express how much I appreciate it
14:51 < russavia> ah ok np
14:51 < russavia> tbh, adminship is fuck all
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14:53 < russavia> and the other issue there is clearly evident
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14:54 < russavia> lol is YRC going to ask all arbs to recuse? nice way to approach the issues
14:54 < graham1> hi. i really need some help finding the latest xml dump of entire english wikipedia
14:54 < graham1> could somebody please help me find it please. an exact link. thanks
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14:55 < graham1> !admin hey, urgently need latest xml dump of english wiki direct link
14:55 < BarkingFish> graham1, please don't use that prompt
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14:55 < BarkingFish> this isn't an emergency
14:55 < graham1> ah
14:55 < graham1> sorry.
14:55 < GorillaWarfare> ><
14:55 < BarkingFish> that is for if you need administrative assistance in such a dire hurry that it absolutely cannot possibly wait, ever
14:56 < graham1> i see. i thought it might just be for people who are in a rush
14:56 < Frood> and Logan whenever he wants to
14:56 < russavia> good point graham1
14:56 < BarkingFish> no, it's for alerting that admins that something is in urgent need of attention
14:56 < russavia> in this busy busy world
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14:57 < foks> that's a rather strange thing to ask for
14:57  * BarkingFish welcomes graham1 to the channel with a trout to the head for misuse of a stalkword :P
14:57 < russavia> !twit
14:59 < russavia> y u no answer barkingfish?
14:59 < Fluffernutter> are we beating up a newbie and no one notified me?
14:59 < Fluffernutter> down, boys
15:00 < BarkingFish> graham1, for a current xml dump, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#English-language_Wikipedia
15:00 < BarkingFish> the last one was 3rd august, approx. 8.5GB
15:00 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, sorry, just hazing a newb into not using the admin ping for non urgent business :)
15:01 < BarkingFish> graham1, a word of warning though - the current dump expands to an inordinately large amount of space, running into terabytes of hard drive usage.
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15:02 < Frood> i think it's only ~50GB extracted, actually
15:02 < BarkingFish> All revisions, all pages: These files expand to multiple terabytes of text. Please only download these if you know you can cope with this quantity of data. Go to Latest Dumps and look out for all the files that have 'pages-meta-history' in their name.
15:03 < Dcoetzee> The 7z dump expands to about 100 times its original size.
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15:03 < Dcoetzee> Normally you don't expand it at all.
15:03 < Dcoetzee> You decompress in memory and
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15:04 < graham1> i am downloading it for a friend because i have a fast net connection. he was planning to use leobueno.net converter of some kind (ive never done this before)
15:05 < Dcoetzee> graham1: If your friend just wants to read it offline, most likely you do not want the dump, you want Kiwix.
15:05 < Dcoetzee> graham1: See http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page/en
15:06 < Dcoetzee> See the entry for Project "en", "All (no pictures)"
15:06 < Dcoetzee> It's about 10 GB.
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15:06 < Dcoetzee> If your friend wants it for research, for creating a mirror site, or something else, they might want the dump.
15:07 < Dcoetzee> graham1: I can help clarify which dump you require if you explain your friend's purpose.
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15:07 < graham1> its just for offline usage on a tablet/android phone
15:08 < Frood> good luck getting Wikipedia on a phone...
15:08 < graham1> he has before so sure he can do it again
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15:08 < Dcoetzee> graham1: Okay. There isn't a Kiwix app for Android yet, although there is one in progress. http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Android
15:08 < graham1> he got a new fone though
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15:08 < Dcoetzee> graham1: In any case you do not require the full dump. Only current versions of all articles.
15:09 < Dcoetzee> graham1: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20120802/enwiki-20120802-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2
15:09 < Dcoetzee> Sorry
15:09 < Dcoetzee> Wrong one
15:09 < Dcoetzee> graham1: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20120802/enwiki-20120802-pages-articles.xml.bz2
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15:10 < Dcoetzee> That is "articles, templates, media/file descriptions, and primary meta-pages - current versions only". It includes everything you need to read any article on Wikipedia, without images.
15:10 < graham1> its forbidden?
15:10 < Dcoetzee> Umm.
15:10 < Dcoetzee> http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20120802/
15:10 < Dcoetzee> Go there.
15:10 < Dcoetzee> Click on enwiki-20120802-pages-articles.xml.bz2
15:11 < Dcoetzee> Is a 8.5 GB download
15:11 < graham1> lol
15:12 < graham1> seems exactly the same size as what was recommended before
15:12 < Dcoetzee> Was maybe the same thing :-P
15:12 < Dcoetzee> Yeah it was.
15:13 < graham1> well mine was one day newer. but thanks for help you are very informative
15:13 < Dcoetzee> No, it's the same dump
15:13 < graham1> oh ok
15:13 < Dcoetzee> They can't dump it all in one day :-P
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15:14 < graham1> do you think that dump will fit on a fone? he plans to use some sort of converter
15:14 < Dcoetzee> Yes, but it would have to be stored in a compressed format.
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15:14 < Dcoetzee> And he'd have to have a large microSD card.
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15:15 < Dcoetzee> If your friend knows what he's doing it's possible.
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15:15 < Dcoetzee> The fully expanded dump however is 170 GB and will not fit on any microSD card.
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15:17 < TeeTylerToe> in '06 the whole thing was 320GB, the en was 163GB
15:18 < TeeTylerToe> you'd think a compressed db backend would be perfect for wikimedia
15:18 < graham1> just incase my friend runs into troubles, can you let me know a process i can use to store the compressed format on a microsd card?
15:19 < Dcoetzee> graham1: I'm not aware of any Android based Wikipedia dump reader that uses a compressed format. Kiwix has one in development. One may exist of which I am unaware.
15:19 < graham1> k thx
15:20 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: WMF themselves wouldn't be able to handle the CPU load of frequent compression/decompression, and it would introduce latency... although that may not be true if they used a particularly fast algorithm.
15:20 < Dcoetzee> I think it's probably okay to compress historical revisions.
15:20 < Dcoetzee> Since they're rarely viewed.
15:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee the db system is terrible as it is too many duplicates
15:21 < TeeTylerToe> it's a cost/benefit thing.  Do you have the spare cycles to run a compressed backend, or do you have the ram to hold a DB that was 320GB in '06 in ram
15:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ideally each section should have its own variable instead of dumping the entire page in one massive text file
15:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and only the change in the section would be modified
15:21 < TeeTylerToe> and if you have neither, which is cheaper?
15:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but tracking that isnt exactly trivial
15:21 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Well there's no reason to be that primitive about it, you can use a delta compression algorithm.
15:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
15:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or you can 7z it if you like
15:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its designed for streaming
15:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> after all
15:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> however its not worth the time since text size isnt increasing THAT fast for vast majority of the articles
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15:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the real problem is pages like ANI, AN, etc
15:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> where there is frequent edits (discussion)
15:23 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Basically the way to do it is to group revisions in groups of 10-30. Then you compress with a fast compressor like gzip.
15:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes
15:23 < Dcoetzee> Because adjacent revisions are very similar, LZ based algorithms would do a great job with them.
15:23 < TeeTylerToe> 99% of the DB isn't going to be edited for years at a time
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15:23 < TeeTylerToe> you don't even have to bother compressing the changes
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15:24 < Dcoetzee> You just decompress the group of revisions you need whenever it's accessed.
15:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I want to see 3d support before this though
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15:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I want to see articles in 3d! :p
15:24 < Dcoetzee> 10-30 revisions compressed is smaller than a single revision uncompressed.
15:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee its actually better than that
15:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if the revisions are minor changes in particular
15:24 < Dcoetzee> You can have the decompressor just throw away the parts you don't need.
15:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ideally you want to just store the difference
15:25 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: You're not understanding :-)
15:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> without bothering to compress
15:25  * ToAruShiroiNeko understands
15:25 < Dcoetzee> LZ compression, primed properly with the previous revision, effectively *does* compress differences.
15:25 < Dcoetzee> And does a very good job of it.
15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee what I mean is... minor revisons duplicate the entire page even if you change a letter. Any compression algorithim (even the most primative ones) will be very effective
15:26 < Dcoetzee> That is true... LZ compression is indeed very primitive.
15:26 < Dcoetzee> But also very fast, low resource usage. That's why I suggested it.
15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I wasnt spesifically refering to any algorithm
15:26 < Dcoetzee> It just have to have a large enough distance to see all of the previous revision.
15:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even the puseido algorithm the prof writes on the board in compression 101 is better than what we have now
15:27 < Dcoetzee> So that's like... 16 bit offset.
15:27 < Soapy> puseido sounds japanese
15:27 < Dcoetzee> For most articles, 24 bits for some.
15:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee most articles dont have more than 20 revisions :p
15:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 98
15:27 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: I meant article size
15:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 98% of all online statistics are true as you well know :p
15:28 < Dcoetzee> Most articles I think are <65KB but some are bigger.
15:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> most articles are stubs  or redirects or less
15:29 < Dcoetzee> However you can't compress all revisions in a big blob.
15:29 < Betacommand> ToAruShiroiNeko: I think the text stores are compressed
15:29 < Dcoetzee> Or you lose the ability to access them at random.
15:29 < Dcoetzee> So that's why I suggested groups of 10-30.
15:29 < Dcoetzee> Or maybe some kind of random access compression algorithm although those are a bit exotic...
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15:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Betacommand maybe
15:33 < Betacommand> ToAruShiroiNeko: I know they do, I just double checked
15:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> okay
15:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so yay
15:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I still think what Dcoetzee described would be helpful
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15:35 < Soapy> hi jc33
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15:35 < Dcoetzee> Compressing individual revisions independently really limits the amount of compression you can get.
15:35 < Dcoetzee> Typical factor for text is 30-40% of original size.
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15:36 < Dcoetzee> Whereas for 30 revisions with minor edits you could get more like 5% of original size.
15:36 < Peter-C> harej - Are you in NJ?
15:36 < harej> no, i'm in WA
15:36 < Peter-C> I am about to dish out some vengence
15:36 < Peter-C> Aw :(
15:36 < Peter-C> Someone stole the red decals off my car. I am now going to kill any shit that looks at my car.
15:37 < Dcoetzee> Vengeance is a dish best served with parsley, for added colour
15:37 < TeeTylerToe> pft, who'd look at a car that didn't have red decals?
15:37 < Betacommand> ToAruShiroiNeko: they are working on making the revision store system more space friendly, however it does take some time
15:37 < TeeTylerToe> people have standards!
15:37  * Dcoetzee gives TeeTylerToe troll award
15:39 < Peter-C> I now can’t drive until September
15:39  * Peter-C guts a cow
15:39  * Peter-C uses Dcoetzee as a punching bag
15:39  * Peter-C huggles Dcoetzee
15:40 < Dcoetzee> ...
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15:40 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: You are so going to become an abusive spouse :-P
15:40 < Soapy> ancestry.com seems to have removed its surname search function
15:40 < Peter-C> D:
15:41 < harej> o_O
15:42 < harej> O_o
15:43 < Soapy> never mind
15:43 < Soapy> it;s there
15:43 < Soapy> just harder to find
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15:44 < Soapy> also it apparently puts out an error message for when you type in a name that it doesnt recognize
15:44 < Soapy> not just "We have no records for this surname", but an actual error message like you did something horribly wrong
15:45 < Dcoetzee> Soapy: Maybe is broken
15:45 < Dcoetzee> Seems more likely
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15:47 < haggis> Question
15:47 < haggis> Would there be burn marks if a tree was struck by lightning?
15:47 < BarkingFish> hell yes.
15:47 < Soapy> oh! Mlpearc's Rfa is over
15:47 < Brooklyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Mlpearc/Bureaucrat_discussion
15:48 < BarkingFish> It would be badly charred, haggis - a lightning strike would likely carbonize the wood pretty much immediately
15:48 < Soapy> it looks like the 'crats aren't with him
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15:48 < Soapy> Mlpearc loses
15:49 < Brooklyn> 2nd clerk loss - lord roem, wd
15:49 < haggis> Soapy: can I still vote?
15:51 < Isarra> On Mlpearc's rfa?
15:51 < haggis> yes.
15:51 < Isarra> It says 'Please do not modify the text.' in bold red at the top.
15:54 < haggis> Isarra: no one reads templates.
15:54 < Soapy> my dad found a lost/stolen cellphone thats worth $700
15:54 < BarkingFish> Oh come on. I'll be surprised if the crats no consensus this one - with DQ and Courcelles both on the nom sheet, that'll be a major kick in the teeth. Mlpearc deserves the mop.
15:54 < haggis> Soapy: O_O
15:54 < Soapy> no way to identify the owner, so we're turning it in to the police tomorrow
15:54 < haggis> BarkingFish: mlpearc abuses me
15:55 < Isarra> haggis: Okay, then put it this way - if you're considering what to do with something, would you want someone to come in and change it while you're doing that and complicate things?
15:55 < haggis> j/k, but he's really good.
15:55 < haggis> no issues with having the mop;
15:55 < Soapy> well its too late now
15:55 < haggis> Isarra: I'll close the request as "promote"
15:55 < haggis> :-)
15:55 < Brooklyn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Ant_Atoll_NASA_157.96133E_6.77666N.png
15:55 < Dcoetzee> Soapy: I heard there was a guy who recently got a submachine gun accidentally shipped to him instead of a TV.
15:55 < Brooklyn> heartily disagree
15:56 < Dcoetzee> He also turned it into the police. :-)
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15:56 < Soapy> yeah,. i would too
15:56 < Isarra> haggis: You can't actually follow through, though.
15:56 < Soapy> itd probably illegal not to
15:56 < BarkingFish> Soapy, finding something in the street is a rewarding thing sometimes. Especially when you take it to the police, and they say to you "Why are you bringing it to us?" as happened to a friend of mine on holiday in the Netherlands.
15:56 < Soapy> yeah, lots of people would keep it
15:57 < haggis> Dcoetzee: O_O the brick is secretly selling machine guns
15:57 < Soapy> thing is, even if you were completely evil, you couldnt get much use from a stolen cellphone like this one anyway
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15:57 < haggis> Soapy: You could...
15:57 < haggis> change the sim card.
15:57 < haggis> BINGO
15:57 < haggis> (was his name-o)
15:57 < Steven_Zhang> Hi
15:57 < Steven_Zhang> Is MzMcBride here under any nicks?
15:57 < haggis> Brooke: Steven_Zhang
15:57 < Soapy> no sim cards on Sprint phone (or most other US cellphones)
15:57 < haggis> discuss.
15:57 < Frood> Steven_Zhang: Brooke
15:57 < Steven_Zhang> Brooke: poke
15:57 < BarkingFish> Walking down Prins Hendrakkade, he found a wallet (this is pre-euro mind) with about 5000 Guilders in it.  He took it to the local police to hand it in, and they asked him why he was handing it in - he told them it wasn't his - and when he showed them his passport, they immediately understood.
15:57 < Soapy> besides, it was password-locked
15:58 < haggis> Frood: too slow
15:58 < BarkingFish> "Ah! You're British! No problem."
15:58 < Isarra> Passwords can be removed.
15:58 < Dcoetzee> Soapy: You can hardware reset it
15:58 < haggis> Soapy: you can reset that, no?
15:58 < Steven_Zhang> indeed it is.
15:58 < Soapy> probably
15:58 < Soapy> but youd lose all data
15:58 < Dcoetzee> Clearly not evil enough ;-)
15:58  * haggis gives Soapy some dirt.
15:58 < BarkingFish> Steven_Zhang, yes he is - Brooke! You're wanted.
15:58 < Soapy> and like I said, you cant actually *use* a stolen phone without activating it, unless it happens to be one of the few that actually has a sim card
15:58 < Brooklyn> sudo
15:59 < Brooke> What did I do?
15:59 < Isarra> So replace the sim card.
15:59 < Isarra> Easy.
15:59 < BarkingFish> Steven_Zhang wants you, Brooke :)
15:59 < Isarra> Oh, can't.
15:59 < Isarra> Nevermind.
15:59 < Isarra> Don't most phones have those?
15:59 < Soapy> outside the US yes
15:59 < Brooklyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:April_25%E2%80%9328,_2011_tornado_outbreak/GA1&action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload
15:59 < Isarra> Not in the US?
15:59 < Soapy> inside the US only at&t and T-mobile and a few small carriers use SIM cards
16:00 < Soapy> (and some other countries, like S Korea, are also like us)
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16:00 < Isarra> Weird.
16:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sim cards are used by most of the world
16:00 < Soapy> although SIM cards are coming back now because a lot of people want phones they can take overseas
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16:00 < Steven_Zhang> please
16:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sim cards will make you happy
16:00 < Steven_Zhang> most places have sim cards
16:00 < Kenneaal> Wait, US doesn't use SIM cards in their phones?
16:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a phone without a simcard is against US laws on competition
16:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kenneaal yes
16:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so that you cant change your phone service provider
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16:01 < Dcoetzee> Kenneaal: Nope only AT&T, T-Mobile, a couple others
16:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you do get your phone for free in some cases though
16:01 < Kenneaal> So, what do they do? Hard-link to IMEI?
16:01 < Steven_Zhang> All our carriers use SIM cards here
16:01 < Soapy> the IMEI identifies the phone, yes
16:01 < Dcoetzee> In most countries universal use of SIMs is enforced by law.
16:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kenneaal sim card merely stores an ID info for the base station
16:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that info can be stored by other means
16:02 < BarkingFish> the IMEI should identify the phone, the SIM identifies the subscriber / phone number
16:02 < Soapy> and even the carriers that do use SIM cards will track your IMEI too so that you cant slip a flip phone's SIM card into a smartphone just to get cheaper monthly bills
16:02 < Kenneaal> SIM cards store quite a bit more, though.
16:02 < Steven_Zhang> lol
16:02 < Kenneaal> Thus "Subscriber Identification Module".
16:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> right but their main purpose is offer the base station a unique id
16:02 < Dcoetzee> The US phone market is really exploitative... they don't want anyone changing providers and locked phones is one way they discourage people.
16:02 < Steven_Zhang> Kenneaal: I'm gonna go into a store
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16:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> base station then charges whoever that id is registered to
16:02 < Steven_Zhang> ask for a subscriber identification module
16:02 < Dcoetzee> Cause then you have to buy a new phone to change.
16:02 < Steven_Zhang> wait for them to O_o
16:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee it is against US laws IMHO
16:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US has competition and anti-monpoly laws
16:03 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Well then the fed needs to get its act together :-P
16:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no way
16:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fed is fed by companies
16:03 < Soapy> lol
16:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fed is like a baby needing to be fed hourly
16:03 < Steven_Zhang> US is fed by hagger
16:03 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: They're still accountable to voters
16:04  * Isarra huggles Steven_Zhang.
16:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the voters just learnt their vice president candidate
16:04 < Steven_Zhang> <3
16:04 < Steven_Zhang> who
16:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think voters count :p
16:04 < Steven_Zhang> Biden?
16:04 < Soapy> oh yeah
16:04 < Soapy> i saw that
16:04 < MJ94> never seen this before o_O https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Mlpearc
16:04 < MJ94> has anyone else?
16:04 < Dcoetzee> Paul Ryan is Mitt Romney's running mate.
16:04 < Steven_Zhang> Yes, I have.
16:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee do they actually mate? :/
16:04 < Isarra> I haven't.
16:05 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: That would be hilariously ironic
16:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> <3
16:05 < Isarra> But I haven't seen most things before.
16:05 < Steven_Zhang> eh, he looks like a wanker
16:05 < Dcoetzee> Paul Ryan is known for his fiscal policy and call for major Medicare reforms. It was a risky choice.
16:05 < Steven_Zhang> then again, he's republican, so there you go.
16:05 < MJ94> edit box looks gray https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Mlpearc&action=edit
16:05 < Kenneaal> Yeah, I really don't get IMEI only subscriber identification. Whereas a SIM identity is a more secure KEX , an IMEI can be spoofed fairly easily.
16:05 < Dcoetzee> It's rather likely to alienate elderly voters.
16:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I think it is the only candidate that would have woked. People already despise Romney for some of his remarks
16:06 < Steven_Zhang> As Romney introduced Ryan, he billed him as the "next President of the United States", and then corrected his error.[
16:06 < Steven_Zhang> lol, idiot
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16:06 < Dcoetzee> It'll energise the base, because Republicans are against big gov't. It might succeed in steering attention away from Romney's obvious incompetence.
16:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Steven_Zhang not necesarily wrong
16:06 < Simon-> Kenneaal: perhaps there is a SIM but it's just embedded as a fixed chip instead of in a small card
16:06 < Steven_Zhang> Does Mitt Romney fuck up his words often like Bush?
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16:07 < Dcoetzee> However it'll upset anyone who likes any kind of existing social program.
16:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee republicans are FOR big government once elected
16:07 < Kenneaal> That could be, Simon.
16:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they only pretend
16:07 < Dcoetzee> Steven_Zhang: You should've seen his Europe tour!
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16:07 < Kenneaal> Then again, US phones come with those funky little GPS chips too, eh? :P
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16:07 < Dcoetzee> Steven_Zhang: He made enough faux pas to fill a suitcase.
16:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kenneaal all phones have integrated AGPS these days
16:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it helps emergency workers
16:07 < Steven_Zhang> lol
16:07 < Dcoetzee> If he's elected I hope he sends out diplomats and doesn't actually talk to anybody.
16:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee he has to though
16:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> president represents the country in high level meetings
16:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I cannot imagine him at a NATO summit
16:08 < Frood> Dcoetzee: you're an admin, right?
16:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee is god
16:08 < Dcoetzee> Steven_Zhang: See e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9431064/Mitt-Romneys-Olympics-gaffe-overshadows-visit-to-London.html
16:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Good Old Dude
16:08 < Frood> can you nuke (and salt) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_quake_weather ?
16:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee very few people can generate controversy over the olympics
16:09 < Dcoetzee> Frood: I'll tkae a look..
16:09 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan believes that Ayn Rand is the answer to saving social security and medicare
16:09 < Brooke> Ayn Rand?
16:09 < Brooke> The eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher?
16:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> You sit and watch the Olympics... It REALLY isnt that hard.
16:10 < LtNOWIS> I think the Randian connections are overhyped
16:10 < Dcoetzee> Frood: No can do
16:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe to be fair people can have any opinion
16:10 < Kenneaal> Yeah, AGPS is one thing, and woot for it being a standard now. But hereabouts, they can't remotely activate the GPS chip.
16:10 < Soapy> thae ayn rand meme is still around
16:10 < Dcoetzee> AfD was closed speedy delete. It ain't a G4.
16:10 < LtNOWIS> but fuck it, I'm not gonna be an apologist
16:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Only solution is looking at problems from different paradigms which republicans and democarats do post election most of the time
16:10 < Dcoetzee> Frood: Untagged
16:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kenneaal anything is possible
16:11 < TeeTylerToe> Ayn Rand is the person that wrote the book about the 5 or 6 people in the world with a good work ethic, and how everyone else, all their families, their wives and chilren, everyone they knew, everyone they met on the street are all leeches that have no work ethic
16:11 < TeeTylerToe> and about how all politicians and businessmen are corrupt
16:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they can triangulate phones that dont even have a GPS chip at all
16:11 < Kenneaal> Technically possible? Sure. Legal? No.
16:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AGPS is more useful outside of urban areas
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16:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AGPS allows speed
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16:12 < Soapy> ha!
16:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kenneaal sure there are legal aspects but finding where you are can be done without your knowledge
16:12 < Soapy> thank you Panyd
16:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless you are in a faraday cage
16:12 < TeeTylerToe> you can get speed without agps
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16:12 < Frood> Dcoetzee: why?
16:13 < Dcoetzee> Frood: I just explained why.
16:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe not enough for 911 responders
16:13 < Dcoetzee> The AfD was closed speedy delete.
16:13 < Dcoetzee> Speedy deleted articles aren't eligible for G4.
16:13 < Soapy> guys, relax. the page is deleted now
16:13 < Frood> already gone
16:13 < Soapy> Panyd deleted it
16:13 < Frood> but it was a blatant hoax
16:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy relax? I have alerted the pentagon over it :p
16:13  * Dcoetzee restores
16:13  * Dcoetzee redeletes as A7
16:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee protect it too :p
16:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> transclude it on the main page >:D
16:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> {{:Earth quake weather}}
16:14 < Dcoetzee> I'm going to probably IAR delete it if there are no refs on this guy
16:14 < Kenneaal> Technical possibility aside, the point I was trying to make is that tracking a GPS enabled phone over here needs more than a reasonable suspicion clause. ;)
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16:15 < BarkingFish> Soapy, any thoughts on what to do with this?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics_Closing_Ceremony_Flag_Bearers
16:16 < BarkingFish> The guy's created it, but since the whole closing ceremony is completely secret, he's got fuck all to put in it
16:16 < Soapy> it's ... secret?
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16:17 < BarkingFish> yeah - the details of the whole closing ceremony are under wraps at the moment, nobody will know shit about them until tomorrow night, only the people involved
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16:17 < Soapy> ah ok
16:17 < Soapy> so its going to be publicized soon
16:17 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:17 < Soapy> well if it's only 2 days, I'd say the article can stay until then
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16:17 < BarkingFish> About 1 hour prior to the event starting, which is Sunday night, although what time, I don't know
16:18 < Soapy> then again i dont know if it's really notable
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16:18 < Soapy> is there some other article that it could be merged into?
16:18 < Dcoetzee> Frood: I restored and re-deleted IAR, since G4 was improper here... I'll salt if he recreates again.
16:19 < BarkingFish> Soapy - it's gonna be a list.
16:20 < BarkingFish> Best thing to do is move it to List of Flagbearers at the 2012 Summer Olympics - that way, both ceremonies can be combined into one list
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Kenneaal sure and in the US it is a tool for 911 mostly aside from onwers own use
16:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "where are you maam", "I dont know" and thats how it works
16:23 < Frood> a phone's GPS is generally accurate to ~2m
16:23 < Frood> but just E911 is accurate to around 30m most times.
16:24 < Frood> where m = meters, not miles
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16:24 < harej> Indeed, as miles is abbreviated "mi".
16:24 < harej> miles "tails" prower
16:24 < Soapy> ok
16:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Miles O'Brian
16:25 < Dcoetzee> Phone GPS is also used by map apps
16:25 < Frood> i used it today
16:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Phone GPS should be also used by Mobile pokemon games
16:25 < Frood> also foursquare, facebook, twitter...
16:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> your character moves as much as you do >:D
16:25 < Frood> ToAruShiroiNeko: omg
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16:25 < Frood> I am going to learn to write Java just for that.
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16:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless you can apply gps info to the NDS its not gonna work
16:26 < Frood> NDS?
16:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Nintendo DS
16:27 < Frood> i meant for Android, but whatevs
16:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> right but pokemon games run on NDS
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16:29 < Dcoetzee> Are there DS emulators for Android?
16:29 < Dcoetzee> I'd assume so
16:30 < Peter-C> Frood - do you think I would be a good traffic cop?
16:31 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: You could be one of those awesome dancing traffic cops
16:31 < Peter-C> omg yes
16:31 < Frood> Peter-C: Yes.
16:31 < harej> Well, with half a high school education, I'd say you're about as educated as one.
16:31 < Peter-C> Oh SNAP
16:31 < Frood> ToAruShiroiNeko: A Pokemon-like game for Android/iOS
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16:32 < Frood> It runs in the background as you travel
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16:32 < Frood> and then, if you're moving slowly enough for it to think you're walking
16:32 < Frood> it'll go into Pokemon mode
16:32 < Peter-C> Why not use a rom?
16:32 < Frood> it randomly makes a noise and vibrates telling you that there's a Pokemon
16:32 < Frood> and you have to fight it or run
16:33 < Frood> so you either fight it and stop wherever you are
16:33 < Frood> or you run
16:33 < Frood> irl
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16:33 < Frood> for say, 100 feet
16:33 < Frood> then it goes back to sleep
16:33 < Frood> omg yes
16:33 < BarkingFish> Can someone shift http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_quake_weather please? G4 - already been through afd, deleted, and put back again.
16:33 < Frood> Dcoetzee: ^ :P
16:34 < Dcoetzee> Okay. Please stop tagging it G4 though :-P
16:34 < Dcoetzee> It isn't a G4.
16:34 < Dcoetzee> The AfD was closed as speedy delete.
16:34 < BarkingFish> theb talk page doesn't say that
16:35 < BarkingFish> it says the result was delete, not speedy delete. if it'd mentioned that, i wouldn't hav eg4'd it
16:35 < Frood> BarkingFish: it was speedy delete actually
16:35 < Frood> because it didn't go the whole seven days, etc.
16:36 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: It says "This page was nominated for deletion on August 11 2012. The result of the discussion was speedy delete." Unless that wasn't there before?
16:36 < Dcoetzee> I'm gonna delete the talk page and move the discussion to the guy's user talk.
16:39 < Dcoetzee> And I left him talk page message.
16:39 < Frood> Dcoetzee: ...and that's why I'm not an admin
16:40 < Guerillero> He is  being disruptive
16:40 < Frood> I was about to leave a message saying that it's basically impossible for weather and earthquakes to correlate
16:40 < Dcoetzee> He's upset because he wants the world to know about his powers, and we're not letting him.
16:40 < Frood> s/basically impossible/very, very, very improbable/
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16:40  * Guerillero waits for a personal attack
16:40 < Dcoetzee> I don't believe they're real, but it's not useful to start a discussion about the improbability of that. Because it doesn't matter.
16:40 < Frood> because earthquakes are plates and weather isn't etc.
16:41 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, last I looked, it said the result was delete, I'm sure of that. If not, I probably misread it
16:41 < Frood> anyway food
16:41 < Frood> BarkingFish: it was speedy deleted.
16:41 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: It's okay :-)
16:41 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: As long as you know the rules I'm not concerned.
16:42 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, All i know is G4 in Twinkle, says it's for stuff previously deleted via a deletion discussion
16:42 < Guerillero> speedy delete per AfD is still a discussion
16:42 < BarkingFish> which is why I stuck G4 on it, the talk page said it'd been nominated for deletion, which would put it through AFD, which is a discussion
16:42 < Dcoetzee> Guerillero: It's kind of a judgement call.
16:42 < Dcoetzee> A snow close following many delete votes would show a clear consensus.
16:42 < Guerillero> WP:BURO
16:43 < Dcoetzee> Here there was only one delete vote, followed by a rapid deletion.
16:43 < Guerillero> we are not a moot court
16:43 < Dcoetzee> The point is that consensus was not reached.
16:43 < Guerillero> oh
16:43 < BarkingFish> not for me it's not, Dcoetzee - it was via a discussion
16:43 < Dcoetzee> There has never been a consensus discussion about this article.
16:43 < Dcoetzee> That came to a consensus.
16:43 < Guerillero> i just saw that there was an afd
16:43 < Dcoetzee> However in this case I think the conclusion of such a discussion would be inevitable.
16:43 < Dcoetzee> Which is why I deleted it anyway, out of process.
16:44 < BarkingFish> maybe not one that came to a consensus, sure, but it was put out as a discussion. The fact that one did not take place, doesn't discount the fact it was intended to be a discussion :)
16:44 < Dcoetzee> I think the spirit of G4 is "if we've already come to a consensus regarding it, and it reappears, we can redelete it."
16:44 < Dcoetzee> Even if that's not exactly what it says :-P
16:45 < BarkingFish> then it's open to interpretation, and i interpreted it
16:45 < Dcoetzee> Okay, you're not really clearly out of process then, we just disagree on interpretation :-P
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16:47 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: I think we could both agree though that if a page goes to AfD, and some idiot CSDs it instantly even though it's a legit article that would've been kept had the decision proceeded, it shouldn't be eligible for G4, right?
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16:47 < Guerillero> yes
16:47 < Dcoetzee> (I'm assuming the CSD was misapplied in such a case)
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16:48 < Dcoetzee> This case was kind of borderline because there was some minimal discussion which occurred before deletion.
16:48 < Dcoetzee> At least 2-3 people agreeing is worth something.
16:51 < BarkingFish> Yeah. If it's a legitimate article, mistakenly speedied through AFD, then yes, it's not eligible for G4.
16:51 < BarkingFish> To be honest, the result of an AFD should never be "speedy delete", unless it's being shut early as a SNOW
16:51  * Dcoetzee nods
16:52 < BarkingFish> AFD is there for discussion, not for people to shift things while people are fucking talking about them
16:52 < Soapy> it is a snow
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16:52 < BarkingFish> Soapy, then the close would be Delete per WP:SNOW, not Speedy via CSD
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16:56 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: I can get behind closing an AfD as speedy delete if it really does fit the criteria and the only discussion so far has been "this looks like a speedy deletion candidate".
16:56 < Dcoetzee> Save the trouble of other people having to look at it.
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16:56 < Dcoetzee> But it'd have to be pretty clear.
16:57 < BarkingFish> The only time I'd go against that is if a speedy is already clearly listed as declined.
16:57 < Dcoetzee> Yeah agree there
16:57 < BarkingFish> It happened a couple of days ago - I tagged an article for speedy under G3, and it was declined.  I took it to AFD and the result was...
16:57 < BarkingFish> Speedy delete per G3
16:57  * Dcoetzee facepalms
16:57 < Dcoetzee> Obviously at least one person thought it was not a G3...
16:58 < BarkingFish> now why the fuck did that not happen in the first fucking place
16:58 < BarkingFish> >.<
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17:00 < Isarra> Is there a template for telling users to stop breaking pages?
17:00 < Dcoetzee> Isarra: Like edit conflict screw ups? Or what?
17:00 < Isarra> Like... breaking stuff in the page.
17:00 < Isarra> Template usage, sentences, tables, lists...
17:02 < Dcoetzee> Not that I know of?
17:02 < Dcoetzee> Probably doesn't happen oftne enough.Try typing stuff out manually.
17:03 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aceh_International_Airlines
17:03 < Dcoetzee> ...did someone seriously G3 my AfD
17:03 < Soapy> yes
17:04 < Dcoetzee> After only 2 hours.
17:04 < Soapy> yes
17:04 < Dcoetzee> Argh. Whatever.
17:04 < Isarra> Typing stuff out manually?! What?
17:04 < Dcoetzee> :-)
17:04 < Soapy> thats what BarkingFish was referring to, I think .... I didnt remember you'd been the one AFD'ing it
17:04 < Isarra> Aaaand huggle just froze again.
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17:05 < Isarra> That's particularly irritating because it was the only thing keeping me amused while I wait for inkscape to stop freezing...
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17:06 < Dcoetzee> Isarra: Sounds like you need some upgrades :-)
17:07 < Isarra> They're both up to date.
17:08 < Isarra> ...and also running on completely different machines.
17:08 < Dcoetzee> I meant your hardware
17:08 < Isarra> My hardware is fine.
17:09 < Isarra> There have been no meaningful advancements in the past five years.
17:09 < TeeTylerToe> they've gone from 2 cores to 12 cores
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17:10 < Isarra> 12 isn't enough.
17:10 < Isarra> I need at least 64 for it to be meaningful.
17:10 < BarkingFish> Soapy, yep - that's precisely what I was referring to.
17:10 < russavia> anyone know shit about the OGL?
17:10 < BarkingFish> I nommed it for CSD as a Hoax, i think - and it went to afd, after being CSD declined, and got speedied as a hoax
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17:11 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Oh. I should've remembered that one. :-P
17:11 < Dcoetzee> I was the one who declined and nommed it...
17:11 < Dcoetzee> I do get quite frustrated with other admins openly ignoring my opinion that an article is not a G3 candidate. :-P
17:11 < Ironholds> russavia: yes.
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17:14 < Soapy> im getting déjà vy
17:14 < Soapy> did you ask about OGL in here a few days ago?
17:14 < russavia> is OGL apply retroactively to uk govt works?
17:14 < TeeTylerToe> get a 4 socket opteron 6200 system.  64 cores.
17:15 < russavia> e.,g. let's say publications from the 60s
17:15 < TeeTylerToe> ogl?  open graphics library?
17:15 < TeeTylerToe> open government license?
17:16 < russavia> open govt licence
17:16 < Peter-C> Da faq
17:16  * Peter-C looks at the TV
17:16 < Pharos> Open God License
17:16 < BartlomiejB> ;)
17:18 < russavia> oh wait....1941 publication date in the UK would be PD-old
17:18 < BarkingFish> I love this - a guy posted on reddit - he ordered a burger, and told his waiter that for every pickle he received, he would destroy a city. The waiter returned with this - and said "These are my least favorite places.." :) http://i.imgur.com/scaqe.jpg
17:18 < Ironholds> russavia: it's proactive only
17:20 < Soapy> cute
17:20 < Pharos> that is an evil waiter
17:21 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  Strange but True, Chilli was seriously looked into druing chemical warfare research ;)
17:21 < Soapy> someone doesnt like east Texas
17:21 < Soapy> or West Texas
17:21 < Pharos> or north texas
17:21 < Pharos> or soth texas
17:21 < Soapy> I was thinking those are probably just the towns near where this happened, but theyre not actually very close to each other
17:21 < Pharos> or central texas maybe
17:21 < russavia> ok thanks
17:22 < Pharos> those are the three most diabolical cities in Texas
17:22 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  Care to set up a scenario for Peter-C sometime?
17:23 < BarkingFish> sometime. sure.
17:23 < BarkingFish> :)
17:23 < Pharos> what type of scenario?
17:24 < Qcoder02> Pharos: Sometimes myself and BarkingFish set up EMS scenarios
17:24 < BarkingFish> Pharos, I agree- that's a pretty evil waiter.  I'd have come back with a whole jar of pickles and said "Just take out Russia. That will do :)"
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17:25 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: " We Don't serve pickles, but here's a Jar of Olives... , Can you sort out my Scillian Relatives , Okay? " XD
17:25 < Pharos> EMS scenario: invasion of coastal community by vicious fish-men
17:25 < harej> What do you have against the Scilly Islands?
17:25 < Soapy> Silsbee High School and the school district have been criticized for expelling a cheerleader from the school's cheerleading squad because of her refusal to cheer for a basketball player who pled guilty to sexually assaulting her. The charges were dropped down to assault a year later and he was given probation.
17:25  * Qcoder02 notes he meant to tpye Sicillian
17:26 < Soapy> The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in November 2010 that the victim — who is known only as H.S. — had no right to refuse to applaud her attacker because as a cheerleader in uniform, she was an agent of the school. The Fifth Circuit dismissed her case as "frivolous" and sanctioned the girl, ordering her family to pay the school district's $45,000 legal fees.
17:26 < DanielB> Soapy, thats sourced to a petition
17:26 < russavia> anyone here edit heavily on military topics?
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17:27 < Pharos> ok, silsbee makes sense
17:27 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  You''ll recognise this  - " You know these earth people are crazy.. Some of them still take Potatoes... Bopil them for 20 mins and then smash them to bits... Clearly a most primitive people...'
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17:29 < BarkingFish> Qcoder02, lol
17:29 < BarkingFish> the wok headed androids from the SMASH adverts, right?
17:29 < Qcoder02> Yep
17:29 < russavia> and any aussies who want old books -- here's first of few -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Historical_Victorian_Magazine_-_April_1911_(Vol_1_No_1).pdf
17:31 < Qcoder02> "I don't know where the Invasion went wrong Gazghhljk,  We beamed down in Silver catsuits and purple hair, but no-one was scared... they just asked if we were on hormones yet !'  ;)
17:31 < Qcoder02> Or alternativly.. " We got mistaken for an Earth Act called LadyGaga...'
17:31 < froodphone> I can't math
17:32 < Qcoder02> Froodphone: How so?
17:32 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  Did you ever follow up on talking to the OU?
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17:32 < froodphone> How many times faster is Google's gigabit Internet than dialup was?
17:33 < Qcoder02> Dailup was 56 Kbps
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17:33 < Qcoder02> so it's roughly  10^6 times faster at least
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17:34 < froodphone> So, 10 million?
17:34 < Qcoder02> Yeah
17:34 < Dcoetzee> 10^6 is 1 million...
17:34 < Qcoder02> Darn it
17:34 < froodphone> I can't math.
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17:35 < Qcoder02> I get confused by orders of magnitude as well
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17:36 < Qcoder02> death - One person
17:36 < Qcoder02> kilodeath -  A large flood
17:36 < Soapy> it cant be literally 10,000,000 times faster
17:36 < Dcoetzee> Believe it or not, organisations who study mortal risk
17:36 < Dcoetzee> Use a unit called a "millimort"
17:37 < Dcoetzee> Which is a 1 in 1000 chance of one person dying
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17:37 < TeeTylerToe> well, the thing is, for instance, I can't even get a low definition youtube vid to play without buffering.  and that's only 400 kb
17:37 < Soapy> a 560-Gigabit connection would be 10,000,000 times faster
17:37 < Dcoetzee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort
17:37 < Qcoder02> Actual or statistcal...
17:37 < Qcoder02> ?
17:37 < Soapy> is there really even "gigabit internet" available to single households that isnt ridiculously expsnive?
17:37 < TeeTylerToe> so sure you could have a 1Gb google fiber, but you can't actually even get the 500kb youtube vid
17:37 < Soapy> or is this just for large businesses
17:37 < Dcoetzee> According to this, a 1 in 1 million chance of dying is worth about $50 to the average person.
17:37 < TeeTylerToe> I think they have it in korea
17:37 < TeeTylerToe> and scandanavia
17:37 < froodphone> Yes.
17:38 < Soapy> oh those Koreans
17:38 < froodphone> Google Fiber.
17:38 < mareklug> Soapy they are signup up neighborhoods in kc now.  it's 70 bucks residential
17:38 < Dcoetzee> Gigabit Internet remains of limited usage because most web servers will throttle you.
17:38 < Qcoder02> froodphone:  Google has Fiber ?
17:38 < froodphone> Yes.
17:38 < Dcoetzee> It's useful for point to point transfer with someone else who has it though...
17:38 < Qcoder02> Do they enable the webcam on your computer , ALL the time?
17:38 < TeeTylerToe> they won't throttle you, they just don't have a gigabit connection, and even if they did itwould be shared between every client
17:39 < Soapy> hmm
17:39 < froodphone> Qx
17:39 < Soapy> Kansas City, Kansas gets it
17:39 < Soapy> and Missouri
17:39 < froodphone> Qcoder02: put your tinfoil hat back on...
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17:39 < Qcoder02> froodphone: You do know the hat actually has to be ceramic?
17:39 < Qcoder02> Tinfoil acts as a focus element for the evil thoughts
17:40 < Soapy> they love Kansas
17:40 < TeeTylerToe> it has to be charged conductor cap
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17:40 < Qcoder02> Soapy: But they don't want you to pay to attention the man behind the curtain ;)
17:40 < mareklug> kc won the bidding.  several cities tried, incl. topeka
17:40 < Qcoder02> (wow that's obscure even for me)
17:41 < Soapy> 4 crats have now voted oppose on Mlpearc's rfa
17:41 < TeeTylerToe> people would buy bread that was filled with plaster
17:41 < Soapy> oh but if he only had had 2 more support votes there wouldnt even be a crat chat!! what a pity that a mere 2 more people had not found it in their interest to visit his RfA
17:41 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish:  Question... If you wanted to could you land a flaying saucer on IRC?
17:42 < Qcoder02> Been listening to a number of  War of the Worlds adaptations,, and I conclude that even a 1995 version wouldn't work post 9/11
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17:42 < TeeTylerToe> they should open an alien butt probe TSA line at airports
17:43 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe:  You do know what a cavity search is?
17:43 < TeeTylerToe> although I'm not sure if it should be to check FOR alien probes, or to use alien butt probes
17:43 < TeeTylerToe> yes, I was joking that TSA cavity searches were like alien abductions
17:44 < Soapy> I didnt know body cavity searches had opened up in real life now
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17:44 < Qcoder02> 'Honestly , I have  a gay friend into  S/M in a big way...  He's now a frequent flyer...  Air travel is cheaper than Dungeon hire...'
17:44 < Soapy> Havent been on a plane in 11 years
17:44 < Soapy> and that is not due to 9/11, I just havent had any reason to go anywhere
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17:45 < Soapy> my last plane trip was actually a few months after 9/11, but before the air travel security measures had gotten really extreme
17:45 < Qcoder02> BarkingFIsh: A variant on the abov ejoke concerns RyanAir...
17:45 < Qcoder02> " I have a friend into S/M , He know flys RyanAir...  It's cheaper than Dungeon Hire...'
17:45 < BarkingFish> i didn't see  the above joke, Qcoder02
17:46 < BarkingFish> ah
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17:47 < Dcoetzee> Oops wrong key
17:47 < BarkingFish> how is this for a record- it's probably *not* a record, but it just took 16 edit conflicts to get something onto a talk page :P
17:47 < Dcoetzee> Last time I went to the airport I got harassed by security for taking photos. :-/
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17:47 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  Of the artwork?
17:47 < Qcoder02> XD
17:47 < TeeTylerToe> apparently if you have a group of editors, like people from a project, blatant edit warring doesn't count as edit warring
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17:47 < Dcoetzee> Qcoder02: Of the airport :-)
17:48 < Qcoder02> Sorry but when you provide feed lines...
17:48 < Dcoetzee> I was frustrated because the security people were very condescending and aggressive, insulting me repeatedly, etc.
17:48 < Soapy> edit warring is OK if the other guy is annoying
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17:48 < Qcoder02> Lame edit wars aren;t lame when the guns came out :(
17:49 < TeeTylerToe> Have you seen the stampedes?
17:49 < Qcoder02> BTW Did Lame edit wars exist in academia before  Wikipedia ? :)
17:49  * TeeTylerToe dives behind the bulletproof paper poster
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17:49 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe:  Edits don't kill people,  People Kill People
17:49 < Qcoder02> ;)
17:49 < TeeTylerToe> I don't things were collaborative in the same way
17:50 < TeeTylerToe> but maybe there would be dueling papers in a similar way
17:50 < russavia> http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/13/Close_up_of_the_Jap_Fighting_man.html -- could be an interesting propaganda book for commons
17:50 < Soapy> “the Jap fighting man”
17:50 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe:  Hmm
17:50 < Qcoder02> So does anyone here fly a lot?
17:51 < Soapy> what does ‘Качество: хорошее’ mean?
17:51 < Soapy> kachestvo: horosheye ?
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17:51 < Soapy> I dont speak Russian , just know some of the letters
17:51 < russavia> quality: ok
17:51 < Soapy> ok
17:51 < russavia> good quality
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17:51 < Soapy> i know хорошо is a generic “good”
17:52 < russavia> i sill upload these:
17:52 < russavia> http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/25/4_Kestrel_Aeroplane_.html   http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/26/The_Sunderland_I_Aeroplane.html   http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/27/Pilot_s_Notes_the_Sunderland_I___II_Aeroplanes.html
17:52 < Soapy> which was turned into “Horrorshow” in Clockwork Orange
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17:52 < russavia> *will upload
17:53 < Qcoder02> How many gender counsellers does it take to change a light bulb?  Well that depends, is bulb ready for change? XD
17:53 < Soapy> huh. I guessed every one of the letters correctly
17:54 < Soapy> Im better than I thought
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17:55 < russavia> interesting nazi WWII propaganda magazines -- http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/11/Der_Adler__18__07_09_1943_.html --- http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/11/Der_Adler__17__24_08_1943_.html   might be worth downloading these for when they fall out of copyright
17:55 < TeeTylerToe> the adler stuff isn't from the movie iron sky?
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17:57 < Dcoetzee> That's a good question.
17:57 < Dcoetzee> Has anyone so far been killed because of their edits on Wikipedia?
17:57 < Dcoetzee> I'm not aware of any cases...
17:58 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  We wouldn't know
17:58 < russavia> i know of some i would like to kill
17:58 < Dcoetzee> I suppose we wouldn't.
17:58 < TeeTylerToe> dead men tell no tales
17:58 < Qcoder02> Certain topics might be highly contrversial though
17:59 < Pharos> there was a kid in beijing "banned from the internet forever"
17:59 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: That's a sort of death
17:59 < Qcoder02> Like Pokemon,  Abortion,  The Happy Alien Space Church Pyschiatric Myth Church  etc....
18:00 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  It depends a lot on the possibility of people feeling very strongly on some topics I think...
18:00 < Qcoder02> and Wikipedia doesn't exactly have topics people would kill over...
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18:01 < Qcoder02> It's not like Wikipedia contains pollitical comment that  attacks key aspects of certain spiritual systems...
18:01 < Pharos> yeah, good thing we don;t have any articles on controversial topics
18:01 < TeeTylerToe> why didn't during the iraq war they ever call the RNC that had like tanks and cement walls walling it off the green zone?
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18:01 < Qcoder02> Pharos:  Or images of Religious leaders... :(
18:01 < Pharos> then who knows what sorts of crazies we might attract?
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18:02 < TeeTylerToe> A lot of people have problems with facts
18:02 < Dcoetzee> I'm imagining like, what if some mob guy removed a bunch of stuff from a mob boss's article about how he cheated on his wife, which caused some kind of scandal.
18:02 < Dcoetzee> And you reverted it because it was well-sourced.
18:02 < Dcoetzee> Are you now an enemy of the mob?
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18:02 < Qcoder02> Probably not...
18:02 < Pharos> there was almost violence at the indian wikiconference
18:02 < Pharos> i heard it was scary as hell
18:03 < TeeTylerToe> the movie dog day afternoon was sent to the prison where the surviving robber was incarcerated and they showed it.  Even though he didn't really betray the other guy he almost got killed because the other prisoners thought the movie was true
18:03 < Dcoetzee> :-S Over what?
18:03 < Qcoder02> Mob boss is probably less concerned about the wfie than he is about his 'legitmate' business interests
18:03 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: That's scary :-S
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18:04 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:   Although Wikipedia edtiors might not get killed because of an article...  The subject of an article might be adversely affected by  poor editing
18:05 < Dcoetzee> Oh yeah
18:05 < Dcoetzee> I remember hearing about cases of like witness's identities being exposed.
18:05 < Qcoder02> I mean Wikipedia I don't think has ever blown 'cover' by msiatke... but it coudl happen ( esp given  Wikileaks etc...)
18:05 < Pharos> over the border lines on a kashmir map
18:05 < Dcoetzee> Okay that hasn't actually happened but it could.
18:05 < TeeTylerToe> someone might be killed if they put an image of mohammad up on wikipedia
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18:06 < Dcoetzee> These are all good examples. I guess Wikipedia is Serious Business.
18:06 < TeeTylerToe> Also there's tons of information that can be used to hurt people
18:06 < Pharos> we have many such images already
18:07 < Qcoder02> Dcoetzee:  Another concern would be people making  "X is  ...' claims in vandal edits...
18:07 < russavia> X is of gay
18:07 < Qcoder02> If X is prominent enough,  and someone says 'X is an abuser'  that could put X at risk...
18:07 < russavia> Belarus is of gay
18:08 < Pharos> ^truefact
18:08 < TeeTylerToe> and there are things like the news report giraldo made showing the rough position of the troops he was with
18:08 < Dcoetzee> Less dramatically, one could ask: has anyone ever been sued because of Wikipedia? has anyone lost an election because of it? has anyone lost their job because of it?
18:08 < Dcoetzee> Probably all of those at some point.
18:08 < russavia> "has anyone lost their job because of it
18:08 < Qcoder02> Didn't somene get firedover BLP on an article?
18:08 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, i'm <-> this close to saying something on wp I will regret probably :)   One beat wonder just posted this on his talk page  - "let the term liove as un scientific fact. and let the scientiast come get me."
18:08 < russavia> sure...Fae
18:08 < Pharos> first one several times
18:09 < TeeTylerToe> and for instance during the falklands, the BBC reported that the argentinian bombs weren't exploding because the planes were flying so low the bomb triggers didn't have enough space to fall to...  well...  trigger
18:09 < TeeTylerToe> it was reported, and the argentinians rigged the triggers to explode anyway
18:09 < BarkingFish> I was planning to type  "the only scientist coming to get you will be a psychiatrist. You're clearly in need of one..."
18:09 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Bad BarkingFish, NPA :-)
18:10 < BarkingFish> i don't think I've ever PA'd someone on WP, Dcoetzee - nearly 8 years now...
18:10 < BarkingFish> It'd make a change ;)
18:10 < Soapy> is that the earthquake guy?
18:10 < BarkingFish> yeah
18:10 < wctaiwan> link? >.>
18:10 < BarkingFish> the cherokee indian who is "in tune with humanity"
18:11 < Pharos> i'm in tune with god
18:11 < BarkingFish> The only thing he's in tune with is the sound of the lalalalala coming from his brain while he tries to figure out what BS to spout next
18:11 < wctaiwan> BarkingFish: I'm curious about what the end result of the discussion about the olympic rings was. I'd like to know for myself too.
18:11 < BarkingFish> :)
18:11 < Pharos> that makes me superior
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18:11 < TeeTylerToe> I think you suffer from the elctracomplex barking fish, which is probably the source of your barking
18:11 < BarkingFish> wctaiwan, I've referred the issue to the IOC, asking them for a definitive understanding of their licensing
18:11 < wctaiwan> Oh, okay, great.
18:12 < BarkingFish> Their charter may say one thing, so I have asked them to say whether simply hosting the image violates that charter, and whether their rules have any bearing on actual legal enforcement of usage
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18:13 < BarkingFish> i will wait until they're all settled down though, at the moment all inquiries are going through the press office, which is only handling media right now, so a normal reply may well come after the close of the current games
18:13 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: I'm trying not to judge and stick to policy :-P
18:13 < wctaiwan> certainly. I don't think they're likely to sue Wikipedia in the meanwhile :p
18:14 < BarkingFish> I'm trying not to judge either, Dcoetzee - but it's difficult in the face of an outright nutter. I'm sure there's a clock missing its cuckoo somewhere :)
18:14 < Qcoder02> 2 nails short ?
18:15 < BarkingFish> a tin of weiners and beans short of a camping holiday, Qcoder02
18:15 < Dcoetzee> It is possible, although extremely unlikely, that he's developed an ability to predict earthquakes effectively based on observation. However, if he was serious about it he wouldn't be here, rambling about how "all the great scientists were once oppressed like me," he'd be off investigating it and publishing about it. :-P
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18:16 < Qcoder02> Do I need to change at Upminster ? XD
18:16 < Qcoder02> (Sorry... Obsure joke there which only BarkingFIsh will understand)
18:16 < Pharos> that's not necessarily true, Dcoetzee
18:16 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, it is possible, and extremely likely, that he is suffering from brainworms and is in fact, nuttier than an almond slice topped with crushed pecans
18:16 < BarkingFish> :)
18:17 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: Okay, I realise that's not necessarily true...
18:17 < Pharos> he wouldn't be the first crazy person to stumble onto something significant by accident
18:17 < Dcoetzee> I'm just saying he's currently taking the wrong approach.
18:17  * Qcoder02 wonders if I should explain the Upminster comment ...
18:17 < Dcoetzee> And I'm trying to gently nudge him into talking to researchers directly, who if his ability is real, can help him demonstrate it.
18:17 < Dcoetzee> Although I consider that very unlikely.
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18:19 < Pharos> what is his magical earthquake prediction method, btw?
18:19 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish :  Do I need to explain the Upminster comment?
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18:21 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: He looks at the sky and feels it, I think?
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18:22  * Peter-C licks Dcoetzee
18:23 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: Basically he claims that there's a certain kind of weather that precedes an earthquake and by looking at the sky he can observe it.
18:23  * Dcoetzee hugs Peter-C
18:23 < Pharos> this is revolutionary!
18:23 < BarkingFish> Yes! We've discovered a new way to spot a loon before the doctors do :)
18:23 < Pharos> he's looking 180 degrees from all the other researchers, no wonder he's found something new ;)
18:23 < BarkingFish> you look for people watching the sky and burbling about earthquakes.
18:24 < BarkingFish> Sure sign that they're absolutely potty
18:24 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: who is this wise person?
18:24 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Frankly, I think the most likely possibility is that (by sheer coincidence) he noticed a similar weather pattern preceding at one or two earthquakes at least he was personally present.
18:25 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: And has now leaped to conclusions, as people are wont to do.
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18:25 < BarkingFish> well I "wont" to notify the nearest home for the happy and the haunted of his existence, so they can get a bed ready for him :D
18:26 < Pharos> in which case, rather than being crazy, he would be, um, normal
18:26 < Dcoetzee> If his only crime is lacking the critical thought to avoid overgeneralising a pattern superstitiously, I don't think that's really so bad :-P
18:26 < Dcoetzee> Although his persistence is aggravating.
18:27 < Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: User:One beat wonder :-) Ref deleted article [[Earth quake weather]]
18:27 < wctaiwan> not an admin :( but I'll look it up
18:27 < Pharos> you could write a legit article about weather and earthquakes
18:27 < Dcoetzee> wctaiwan: http://pastebin.com/tzaySgPP
18:28 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: In theory yes, but it would have a different name and require starting from scratch...
18:28 < Soapy> i went to look up that user and got distracted when this came up first on the search:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJO3ROT-A4E
18:28 < wctaiwan> the only thing I know is that some animals can sense earthquakes. Something about their ability to sense p-waves...
18:29 < Pharos> Dcoetzee: you're in California?
18:29 < Demiurge1000> wctaiwan: I can sense earthquakes as well.
18:29 < Soapy> me too
18:29 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: Yep
18:29 < wctaiwan> xD. You know what I mean..
18:30 < Pharos> doing any Wiki Loves Monuments?
18:30 < Soapy> if i wake up at 3 am and my dresser’s turned over on the floor then there’s an earthquake going on
18:30 < Dcoetzee> Pharos: For sure
18:30 < Pharos> awesome
18:30 < Pharos> I guess they're planning some events for SF
18:31 < Peter-C> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/529988_482636498430572_1723470849_n.jpg
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18:31 < Peter-C> da faq
18:32 < wctaiwan> pretty much, Peter-C
18:32 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: I really hope that's a troll and not an idiot
18:32 < wctaiwan> although I suspect it's a troll.
18:33 < Dcoetzee> "I thought they cant freaking hit you if they are in uniform?" Nobody could be that dumb... can they?
18:33 < Peter-C> I thought the part about getting medals for killing babies was when I gave up
18:33 < Qcoder02> Night all..
18:33 < wctaiwan> well, you _could_ argue it's still assault and not self-defence, unless the guy was threatening violence. But… wha?
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18:34 < Soapy> I dont think that’s even real
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18:34 < Dcoetzee> It's obviously fake... written by a pro-military person.
18:34 < Soapy> does anyone really use “baby killer” and expect to be taken seriously?
18:35 < Dcoetzee> The extent of the injuries is just screaming "aren't soldiers so powerful and strong, to take out a guy like this?"
18:35 < Soapy> Ive only ever seen it as a sarcastic term in political cartoons etc
18:35 < Dcoetzee> If that actually happened the assaulter would not get off lightly, regardless of the deeply offensive speech :-P
18:36 < wctaiwan> ye-ah.
18:36  * wctaiwan hits Dcoetzee, knocking him cold, displacing 2 teeth and causing extensive injuries :)
18:37 < BarkingFish> on the other hand, the fact that the guy went to touch him first, and also spit on him, amounts to assault - anything the guy did after that would be self defence.
18:37 < Dcoetzee> :-)
18:37 < BarkingFish> He didn't know what the dude was gonna do :)
18:37 < Soapy> oh i was asumming it was a woman
18:37 < Soapy> it sounded like something a woman would write
18:37 < BarkingFish> With a name like Earl?
18:37 < wctaiwan> BarkingFish: really? You can do whatever to want if someone is pestering you?
18:37 < BarkingFish> wctaiwan, no
18:37 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: I'm skeptical a jury would buy that... touching someone's medals is not the same as threatening them.
18:37 < BarkingFish> I didn't say that
18:37 < Dcoetzee> Or spitting on them for that matter.
18:37 < Soapy> I didnt notice that there was a name
18:38 < Soapy> ok
18:38 < Pharos> spitting is slightly assaultish
18:38 < Dcoetzee> You could though argue he was being "approached in an aggressive manner"
18:38 < wctaiwan> what's it called in English, something about how the defence can't be inproportionate..
18:38 < Dcoetzee> And yeah hitting him "after he was out cold"
18:38 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, bear the offensive comments in mind too - for all that marine knew, he could have been trying to provoke the guy or possibly the next step would have been to attack him
18:38 < Dcoetzee> That would be illegal too.
18:38 < wctaiwan> as in, if I kick you in the shin, you can't whip out a gun and shoot me.
18:38 < Soapy> the “stand your ground” law
18:38 < Pharos> spitting is the liquid equivalent of "fighting words"
18:39 < wctaiwan> liquid equivalent, heh.
18:39 < Soapy> spitting is for wimps
18:39 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: no, but I could kick you in the face.
18:39 < wctaiwan> hi Ironholds
18:39 < BarkingFish> wctaiwan, I think what you're referring to is "reasonable force"
18:39 < Ironholds> hey wctaiwan
18:39 < Dcoetzee> "reasonable force" yes.
18:39 < wctaiwan> yeah, probably.
18:39 < Ironholds> reasonable force has two elements, in English law
18:39 < Dcoetzee> "stand your ground" means you have no obligation to retreat, when possible.
18:39 < Ironholds> it is to do with proportionate force not proportionate damage
18:39 < Ironholds> I can kick you in the face. If I, through misjudgment, break your jaw and knock out all your teeth, bully
18:39 < Ironholds> if I shoot you in the face, no such defence.
18:40 < russavia> is anyone on fast fast fast connection like to download something and upload to commons?
18:40 < BarkingFish> my understanding of it is this - if someone attacks you by kicking you in the leg, you can't pick up a brick and smack them round the head with it
18:40 < BarkingFish> that is disproportionate
18:40 < Dcoetzee> russavia: I can do it from my EC2 server
18:40 < Dcoetzee> russavia: What kinda thing?
18:40 < russavia> http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/05/Historia_de_la_aviacion_en_Chile_1920_1925.html
18:40 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: basically
18:40 < russavia> am uploading this now -- http://www.farposst.ru/2012/07/04/Historia_de_la_Aeronautica_Militar_de_Chile.html
18:40 < BarkingFish> you can, however, punch them in the face, or knee them in the bollocks
18:40 < Dcoetzee> BarkingFish: Additionally, you can't attack or continue to attack after the threat has passed.
18:40 < Dcoetzee> Or that might be a separate thing...
18:41 < BarkingFish> it was a bodily attack without a weapon, you can't use a weapon to defend yourself iirc
18:41 < Soapy> you can use a weapon if you can reasonably argue you need it
18:41 < Pharos> what if the other person is much bigger than you?
18:41 < Soapy> e.g. if youre disabled or just really small
18:41 < Soapy> yeah
18:41 < Dcoetzee> Yeah like a little old lady shouldn't be expected to fight off a weightlifter with her bare hands.
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18:42 < Pharos> depends on the little old lady...
18:42 < Dcoetzee> I wonder if mace counts as a weapon in this context...
18:42 < BarkingFish> it's reasonable force. proportionate to the amount of force needed to defend against the attack.
18:42 < Dcoetzee> russavia: Okay can you create the page for it first?
18:43 < Dcoetzee> russavia: Or will you do that after?
18:43 < russavia> what page needs to be created?
18:43 < Dcoetzee> file description page...
18:43 < russavia> oh, yeah i can do if after if like
18:43 < BarkingFish> Dcoetzee, ttbomk, mace does not count as a weapon, it's an aid to self defence, but as an incapacitant, I don't think it counts
18:43 < russavia> use the rapidgator link to download
18:43 < russavia> it's reasonably quick
18:44 < Dcoetzee> ok
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18:45 < Soapy> hi DQ
18:45 < russavia> tx
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18:46 < DeltaQuad> hello
18:46 < DeltaQuad> finally able to get back on
18:46 < Ironholds> jorm, what's the plan for tomorrow?
18:46 < Ironholds> hey, DeltaQuad!
18:46 < Ironholds> how goes it?
18:46 < DeltaQuad> better, was sick earlier today, still sick a bit, but recovering
18:46 < BarkingFish> DeltaQuad :)  Feeling better now?
18:47 < Frood> DeltaQuad: you're sick a lot.
18:47 < DeltaQuad> no, I get headaches a lot. today I was sick, first time in a good damn while
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18:52 < Ironholds> *hugs*
18:53 < jorm> do you have a ride configured, ironholds?
18:54 < Frood> I spent all my money on a gaming computer, now I have no money for games :>
18:54 < Ironholds> jorm: yeah, sorting it now
18:54 < Ironholds> I set it to 555; hope that's okay.
18:54 < jorm> then we need to be at one point at 11.
18:55 < jorm> set what all to 555?
18:55 < Ironholds> configured? I was making an unfunny funny
18:55 < Ironholds> UNIX file permissions
18:55 < jorm> i get it now.
18:55 < jorm> anyways. you have a ride?
18:56 < jorm> s & m bought tubes.
18:56 < Ironholds> that's an unfortunate order to put their initials in
18:56 < Ironholds> and yup, swalling and his pocket-sized ukranian partner in crime have volunteered to grab me
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19:02 < jeremyb>                           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Amazing_World_of_Gumball_episodes
19:02 < jeremyb> 12 02:00:52 < pogsbandit> i'm pretty sure a longstanding edit isn't legit
19:02 < pogsbandit> the air dates for the US look completely wrong; i haven't found any evidence to suggest any of the episodes aired before 2011
19:03 < pogsbandit> the article usedto list 2011 air dates until one edit changed all of the US air dates
19:03 < BarkingFish> ok guys, I am out for the night - need to go get some z's. Night all :)
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19:03 < pogsbandit> i could be wrong but something doesn't seem right
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19:05 < pogsbandit> well, especially given the fact that the article's first paragraph even states it premiered in 2011!
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19:25  * Peter-C waddles around
19:26 < Soapy> that page sure gets a lot of edits
19:27 < jorm> Goddammit, Oliver.  Are you at the office?
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19:49 < Ironholds> jorm: maybe.
19:49 < Ironholds> look, it has soda and warmth and Katie is here, so it also lacks isolation
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19:50 < Ironholds> but I should probably head home; gotta stop by walgreens
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19:51  * Isarra messes up Frostee's hair, tips in out a window, and demands all his sanity.
19:51 < Isarra> him out*
19:52 < Isarra> Screw it, give me your ability to type while you're ad it.
19:52 < Ironholds> *at
19:52 < Ironholds> :)
19:52 < Isarra> ...yes.
19:54 < Ironholds> alright, time to head home
19:54 < Ironholds> laters, y'all
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20:01 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd-J5unBnS0
20:01 < Peter-C> Jesus
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20:26 < Isarra> Ack.
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20:29 < TeeTylerToe> hi Delta Quad
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20:30 < Ironholds> boored
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20:30  * Isarra puts a bucket on Ironholds' head.
20:30 < TeeTylerToe> you reached the end of the internet page?
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20:33 < dan1980> !ops #wikipedia is +r
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20:34 < TeeTylerToe> isn't #wikipedia-en defacto +r because anyone over 170 or 175 is diverted to #overflow unless they're registered?
20:35 < TeeTylerToe> because there are always about 170 lurkers here
20:35  * Ironholds hugs Isarra
20:35 < dan1980> No shit, sherlock.
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20:35 < TeeTylerToe> touchy
20:35  * Isarra huggles Ironholds.
20:36  * Isarra attempts to edit Ironholds with huggle.
20:36 < Ironholds> there's no article on me
20:36 < Ironholds> there is a category, though, but it's on commons
20:36 < jeremyb> TeeTylerToe: no
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20:36 < dan1980> ew, you're hugging a jew, Isarra.
20:36 < Isarra> I always was a better Commoner than a Wikipedian.
20:36 < TeeTylerToe> regarding what jeremyb?
20:36 < jeremyb> TeeTylerToe: there is no 170 limit
20:36 < Ironholds> !ops
20:37 < Frostee> Apple.
20:37 < jeremyb> yes Ironholds ?
20:37  * Isarra feeds Frostee into a bucket.
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20:37 < Ironholds> jeremyb: see dan1980's comment?
20:37 < TeeTylerToe> whenever there are 170-175 people in and I try to join I get diverted to overflow unless I'm registered
20:37 < dan1980> listen to the jew's comment.
20:37  * Frostee collapses the bucket into a blackhole
20:37 < jeremyb> Ironholds: yeah...
20:37 < jeremyb> Ironholds: well, there was more than one. which one?
20:38 < Ironholds> jeremyb: his last two comments?
20:38 < jeremyb> ok
20:38 < dan1980> And this comment as well?
20:38 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !]
20:38 < TeeTylerToe> #wikipedia-en #wikimedia-overflow Forwarding to another channel
20:38 < Ironholds> jeremyb: and are you an op?
20:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o jeremyb] by ChanServ
20:39 <@jeremyb> i guess so
20:39 < Ironholds> that answers that ;p
20:39 -!- dan1980 [~rkz@cpe-75-80-140-74.san.res.rr.com] has left #wikipedia-en []
20:39 <@jeremyb> haha!
20:39 < Ironholds> you might want to ban him anyway
20:39 < Ironholds> he's clearly one of the dickless halfwits that make up the GNAA
20:39 < TeeTylerToe> ...
20:39 < Ironholds> or ED, I gues
20:39 < Ironholds> *s
20:39 <@jeremyb> well he's not registered and he has 12 03:35:34 [freenode] -!-  ircname  : qzphb
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20:40 < Ironholds> jeremyb?
20:40 < Ironholds> you can ban underlying IPs.
20:40 < TeeTylerToe> if, for instance, they make personal attacks
20:40 < Ironholds> TeeTylerToe: {{mainarticle|Wikipedia}} ;p
20:40 <@jeremyb> Ironholds: i'm just saying it doesn't bode well for him being a constructive participant
20:41  * Frostee throws a brick at wikipedia
20:41 -!- vucikub [~rkz@cpe-75-80-140-74.san.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en
20:41 < vucikub> In stark terms, Wikipedia is one of the single most important undertakings in human history. If we do our job, future generations will look upon Wikipedia as the cornerstone of the information revolution. If we don't, the world will lose a tremendous resource.
20:41 < russavia> lol
20:41 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+b *!*@cpe-75-80-140-74.san.res.rr.com] by jeremyb
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20:41 < Ironholds> jeremyb: there you go.
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20:41 < russavia> why ban them?
20:41 < Ironholds> and perhaps in future you could maybe get on it after the first obviously trollish comment?
20:41 < Nascar1996> .
20:42 < russavia> they are simply repeating the same shit that your cult leader espouses
20:42 < TeeTylerToe> there was a ghost of the same IP still in the channel apparently
20:42 <@jeremyb> Ironholds: well i recognized the name dan1980 from *somewhere*
20:42 < Ironholds> as opposed to wandering in after the second and having a five minute discussion about whether it's worth banning him. you're meant to KNOW wheher you should ban him. *you're an op*
20:42 <@jeremyb> recently on IRC i think
20:42 < Ironholds> russavia: yes, and before that he repeatedly referred to me as "the jew"
20:42 <@jeremyb> was trying to figure out who he was
20:43 < Ironholds> context and the ability to scrollback is important
20:43 < TeeTylerToe> and maybe apply the same personal attack rules to everyone
20:44 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-o jeremyb] by jeremyb
20:44 < russavia> still looks funny in the log booting them after quoting The Leader
20:44 < Ironholds> assuming you don't look at any scrollback, yes.
20:45 < jeremyb> i didn't even boot!
20:45 < jeremyb> you mean jimbo?
20:45 < russavia> i think that quote from JW is hilarious
20:45 -!- wiki is now known as ty
20:45 < TeeTylerToe> ?
20:45 < russavia> building the pyramids was an important undertaking and major achievement for human history
20:46 -!- Chode [~protect@bas1-stjean93-2925320683.dsl.bell.ca] has quit []
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20:46 < russavia> the industrial revolution was a major undertaking in human history
20:46 < Andorin> Hi.
20:47 < Andorin> Isarra dragged me in here.
20:47 < Andorin> What do you fine folks normally discuss?
20:47 < Ironholds> trees
20:47 < Ironholds> and buckets.
20:48 < Andorin> Buckets are fun.
20:48 < Ironholds> sometimes? trees *in* buckets.
20:48 < Ironholds> others, a bucket in a tree. We're a zany bunch, oh yes.
20:48 < Andorin> I don't know if I've had enough to drink tonight for that level of excitement.
20:48 < TeeTylerToe> the prettiest weightlifting tree of the year
20:48 < Ironholds> I won that competition in 2008, 2009 and 2010
20:49  * Isarra throws a wikipedia at Frostee.
20:49 < Isarra> A small one, though.
20:49 < Ironholds> 2011 they worked out I was actually a person who had glued bark all over themselves and disqualified me
20:49 < Isarra> After that did you learn to use staples instead?
20:49 < Ironholds> no, I had a tree tattooed all over myself
20:49 < Andorin> Ouch.
20:49 < Ironholds> lets see them peel THAT off
20:50 < Andorin> Well... they could...
20:50 < Frostee> HELLO ANDORIN
20:50 < Ironholds> they don't dare
20:50 < Andorin> But I imagine you would object.
20:50 < Ironholds> also, tattoos do not hurt.
20:50 < Andorin> Frostee, you're familiar.
20:50 < Andorin> Why are you familiar?
20:50 < Isarra> He's an uncyclopedian.
20:50 < Andorin> Oh, that would do it.
20:51 < Isarra> And I didn't ban him, so that's not why he's here, in case you were wondering.
20:51 < Ironholds> Isarra: are you here because you banned yourself?
20:51 -!- zscout370 [Kagami@wikipedia/Zscout370] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:51 < Ironholds> that's, like, deep
20:51 < Isarra> Actually, no, but now that you mention it I haven't done that in awhile...
20:51 < Frostee> Andorin forgot me ;_;
20:51 < Andorin> Tsk.
20:52 < Ironholds> Frostee: you're pretty forgettable
20:52 < Andorin> I was gonna say, I know you'd done that before.
20:52 < Ironholds> I'm always like "that guy!" "who?" "you know, whatsisname!"
20:52 < Frostee> I am unique
20:52 < Ironholds> when I'm discussing your downfall with the cabal
20:52 < Andorin> I remember him as "the one with the pituitary gland".
20:52 -!- GabrielF [~GabrielF@c-24-143-67-45.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #wikipedia-en
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20:52 < Ironholds> everyone is unique. everyone is an individualised snowflake
20:52 < Andorin> ...so yeah, pretty forgettable.
20:52 < Ironholds> some snowflakes suck, though
20:53 < Frostee> ^
20:53 < GabrielF> Is this appropriate for G11? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGbook
20:53 < Andorin> Oh! That's right, this place is not a part of Wikia.
20:53 < Isarra> And then you get communities, which are like really droopy snowflakes that all stuck together... those really suck.
20:53 < Andorin> Awesome.
20:53 -!- Shearonink [62a9f0a1@wikipedia/Shearonink] has joined #wikipedia-en
20:53 < Ironholds> Isarra: but have some awesome snowflakes in them
20:53 < Andorin> Isarra: Really droopy snowflakes that all stick together, land in mud puddles, and get trampled by horses.
20:53 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]
20:53 < Isarra> Unfortunately it does contain wikipedians, so it's not all good.
20:53 < GabrielF> I deleted a previous version (which was obviously created by the company founder) and would like to delete this as well since it is essentially a recreation
20:54 < Ironholds> Isarra: you're a wikipedian, you're neat.
20:54  * Andorin knows nothing about WP's tangle of policies, and therefore stays silent.
20:54 < Ironholds> IShadowed and DeltaQuad are wikipedians and also neat
20:54 < Isarra> GabrielF: It is written reasonably well and has references, though...
20:54 < Andorin> I'm more of a Wikian, and I'm terrible.
20:55 < Ironholds> Thehelpfulone...yeah. he's kinda an asshole
20:55 < IShadowed> wut
20:55 < Ironholds> (:P)
20:55 < Ironholds> IShadowed: I was saying you're neat
20:55  * Isarra gives IShadowed a fish.
20:55 < IShadowed> oh
20:55 < IShadowed> cool
20:55 < IShadowed> thank you
20:55 < IShadowed> back at ya
20:55  * IShadowed returns to game
20:55 < Ironholds> gratzi, big bird
20:55 < GabrielF> Isarra: if you look at the actual quality of the references, they are terrible, for instance the annual revenue figure is referenced to a free website valuation tool
20:55 < Isarra> I know nothing of judging references.
20:56 < Ironholds> I do! I have a little gavel and everything
20:56 < Ironholds> if a reference sucks, I take the gavel, and I beat the author over the head with it
20:56 < Isarra> Ironholds: Care to take a look at this thing, then?
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20:56 < Ironholds> what is it?
20:56 < Ironholds> see, Pine's here too. he's a wikipedian, and he's neat.
20:56 < GabrielF> they are basically throwing whatever shit they can at the wall to establish notability
20:57 < Pine> Hi Ironholds :)
20:57 < Pine> What's up?
20:57 < Isarra> Ironholds: That thing that guy linked.
20:57 < GabrielF> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGbook
20:57 < GabrielF> its basically self promotion
20:57 < Ironholds> trying to convince Isarra that wikipedians can be nea
20:57 < Ironholds> t
20:57 < Ironholds> ew!
20:57 < GabrielF> (am I that guy?)
20:57 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm fixing Wikipedia as fast as I can
20:57 < Isarra> Wikipedians can be neat! A lot of them just aren't.
20:57 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm a little OCD I guess
20:58 < Isarra> And others are haggis.
20:58 < Ironholds> okay, that's...probably passing WP:N
20:58 < Ironholds> Isarra: he's definitely not neat
20:58 -!- FastLizard4|zZzZ is now known as FastLizard4
20:58 < Ironholds> anyway. it definitely needs cleanup.
20:58 < ChrisGualtieri> Everything needs cleaning...
20:58 < Shearonink> There is an article that I posted about on a couple of talkpages (the appropo WikiProject, the article's talkpage and maybe one other) splitting off a substantial section, no objections were raised, some people said it sounded like a good idea but I realized something...  Can I just move the section to a new article?  How does the (edit history) get retained at the new location?
20:58 < Isarra> Well, he's haggis, so that should be apparent. But still.
20:59 < Ironholds> indeed
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21:00 < Isarra> He is something special.
21:00 < Isarra> No idea if that's good or bad, though.
21:01 < Isarra> Shearonink: If you say where the content came from and link back in the edit summary, it's fine.
21:01 < Shearonink> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_cyclists_who_died_during_a_race   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_professional_cyclists_who_died_during_a_race#Thoughts_on_splitting_off_Deaths_during_training_or_another_reason_related_to_cycling    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cycling#List_of_professional_cyclists_who_died_during_a_race
21:01 < Shearonink> oh., ok
21:02  * Shearonink doesn't want to run afoul of some Wp rule etc.
21:02 < Ironholds> what Isarra said
21:02 < Isarra> Folks can still trace it back. to where it came from that way.
21:02 < GabrielF> Isarra: I'm looking at these references: "LAGbook has been featured on renowned publications such as Yahoo! News[6], African Business Review[7], allAfrica[11], Los Angeles Times and The New York Times." the Yahoo News link is a press release
21:02 < Andorin> So, insufficient as a reference?
21:02 < Isarra> So remove that because it's dumb!
21:02 < Isarra> Er, because... what Andorin said. >.>
21:03 -!- Tiptoety|away is now known as Tiptoety
21:03 < ChrisGualtieri> Fixing is not deleting.. usually >.>
21:04 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.154.236] has quit [Client Quit]
21:04 < Andorin> Sometimes it's the only way to be sure.
21:04 < Isarra> Well, I dunno, really. Maybe you should take it to afd.
21:04 < GabrielF> I just think these guys are a crap company - their logo is a ripoff of the Facebook logo (Its a white l in a green box instead of a white f in a blue box), their list of press mentions includes one that's a JOB POST, and I KNOW they created this article themselves
21:04 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
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21:05 < haggis> Isarra: :O
21:05 < ChrisGualtieri> I'd cut it down some, make sure the refs are better, but how many africans can even edit Wikipedia anyways?
21:05  * Isarra hugs haggis.
21:06 < ChrisGualtieri> Nigeria is pretty high tech, but a lot of it is pretty poor and undeveloped
21:06 < Demiurge1000> As Jimbo said, you will remember where you were when you first saw this picture!
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21:07 < Isarra> I have a brick.
21:07 < Isarra> And I don't know how to use it.
21:07  * Isarra hefts it and stares at it in confusion.
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21:07 < Andorin> I hear they've got good fiber.
21:07 < Demiurge1000> I think you need more than one, and the assistance of The Third Pig.
21:07 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124-171-32-59.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
21:08 < Ironholds> alright, sleep
21:08 < Demiurge1000> Two words. All. Right.
21:08 < Demiurge1000> You are not Stephen King.
21:08 < Shearonink> alrighty then
21:08 < Ironholds> I am not
21:08 < Ironholds> I am younger and cuter
21:08 < Ironholds> anyway. toodles, ladies and gents.
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21:08 < haggis> Isarra: I am neat! People just don't understand me.
21:08  * Demiurge1000 checks for sanity levels... oh, maybe you /are/ Stephen King.
21:09 < Demiurge1000> Strong drink should not be taken neat.
21:09 < Isarra> 'Alright' is considered proper in the US.
21:09 < Demiurge1000> Exactly.
21:09 < Shearonink> I resemble that remark.
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21:10 < ChrisGualtieri> I hate when FA or GA articles have interwiki links that redirect to the page you are currently viewing...
21:11 < Andorin> Unless I'm misunderstanding the acronym, isn't saying "GA article" a bit like "ATM machine" or "HIV virus"?
21:12  * Isarra smacks Andorin.
21:12 < Isarra> Don't get between wikipedians and their acronyms!
21:12 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
21:12 < Demiurge1000> "A good case could be made for shortening all right to alright. ... English, however, is a fickle tongue and alright continues to be looked on as illiterate and unacceptable and consequently it ought never to appear in serious writing."
21:13 -!- ty is now known as tyime
21:13 < Isarra> That's okay. I use 'aiight' in my serious writing.
21:13 < Shearonink> Alright is all right with me.
21:13 < ChrisGualtieri> Grr.. Vandalism that stayed for 4 months >.> That's sick
21:13 < ChrisGualtieri> Only reason I caught it was AWB
21:13 -!- MetroFLOGGER5555 [b5b6e1c9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.225.201] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:14 < Isarra> Whee.
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21:14 < Andorin> [[Special:Recentchanges]]
21:14 < Andorin> Darn.
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21:14 < ChrisGualtieri> huh?
21:15 < Andorin> Oh, some channels have bots that turn links into URLs.
21:16 < Isarra> Bots aren't allowed to speak here.
21:16 < Logan_> Hello.
21:16 < Isarra> Logan isn't much of a bot.
21:16 < Logan_> That command was not recognized.
21:16 < MetroFLOGGER5555> Hola mickey mouse
21:16 < Isarra> I guess bots have to be useful enough to be recognised as such for that rule to apply...
21:16 < Andorin> Ban all bots? That's... one solution.
21:17 < Furry> clearly Isarra is a bot
21:17 < Isarra> I love it dearly and will happily murder anyone who suggests changing it.
21:18 < Andorin> Isarra, put down the brick.
21:18 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:19 < MetroFLOGGER5555> Hola hola hola
21:19 < Isarra> HKSSST!
21:19 < MetroFLOGGER5555> Hola Antonorsi
21:19 < ChrisGualtieri> You again?
21:19 -!- MetroFLOGGER5555 is now known as Bradford
21:20 < Bradford> Hola como estas ChrisGualtieri
21:20 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-174-111-088-120.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:20 < ChrisGualtieri> Speak english.
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21:20 < Bradford> ChrisGualtieri: No, mñas o menos
21:20 < Bradford> *más
21:21 < ChrisGualtieri> Ignore on.
21:21 < Bradford> y me ignoras ChrisGualtieri
21:22 < Frostee> i am not very good aqt english
21:22 < Bradford> Si español
21:23 < ChrisGualtieri> Wish Ocaasi was on... I need to bug him
21:23 < ChrisGualtieri> Least I got Dcoetzee?
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21:23  * Bradford What?
21:24 < Bradford> Hi
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21:27 < Pine> ChrisGualtieri: I think Dcoetzee is just idling
21:27 < ChrisGualtieri> Yeah >.>
21:28 < ChrisGualtieri> I want access to Highbeam
21:29 < Antonorsi> just FYI, "Bradford" or "MetroFLOGGER5555" or "DJMalik" are the same kid
21:30 < Antonorsi> and he is blocked in es.wiki for using multiple accounts while banned
21:30 -!- liberaldudette [~mark@74.63.233.124] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:30 < Antonorsi> so, if he gets annoying, you shouldn't be surprised about it
21:31 < Demiurge1000> I guess being blocked in es.wiki counts as a positive thing?
21:31 < haggis> Pine: poke
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21:31 < Pine> haggis: hm?
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21:32 < Antonorsi> Demiurge1000: mmmm well, that's like, your opinion, man
21:32  * Frood sighs
21:32 < Frood> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:One_beat_wonder
21:32 < Frood> Look at his contribs...
21:32 < Demiurge1000> I wonder if people who kick people from here, head right on over to other-language channels to tell them about how bad the person is.
21:32 < Demiurge1000> Just wondering.
21:33 < Frood> he seems to be lacking competence, or trying to be disruptive
21:33 < Frood> agf, so the former
21:33 < ChrisGualtieri> >.>
21:33 < Demiurge1000> "get it to the write ears" -- classic.
21:33 < Frood> should it go to ANI or...?
21:34 < Demiurge1000> Just warn him that if he keeps creating randomly shit articles, then he'll be blocked.
21:34 < Frood> i did once, others have over and over
21:35 < Demiurge1000> Then it's time to block. Just remember to read WP:COMPETENCE while writing your block notice, to be sure of not failing the basic test.
21:35 -!- Antonorsi is now known as Anto|away
21:36 < Frood> i'm not an admin
21:36 < ChrisGualtieri> How do I get more then the first 500 pages from Checkwiki?
21:36  * Andorin looks up that policy.
21:36 < Frood> so i won't be writing a block notice
21:36 < Shearonink> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:One_beat_wonder
21:36 < Demiurge1000> Andorin: That's not a policy, it's an essay.
21:37 < Isarra> Widely held, though.
21:37 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:37 < Andorin> Fair enough.
21:37 < Sp33dyphil> hi Logan_
21:37 < Demiurge1000> Isarra: {{citation needed}}
21:37 < Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: hi
21:37 -!- tyime [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:37 < Demiurge1000> Shearonink: He wants you to add a caption.
21:37 < Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Hi!
21:38  * Isarra gets herself blocked as proof.
21:38 < Frood> Demiurge1000: people have blocked for "violating" the essay often :P
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21:38 < Isarra> And don't you WP:OR me.
21:38 < Demiurge1000> Frood: Then they need more clue.
21:38 < Frood> i guess, to ani
21:38 < Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: hows things?
21:39 < Demiurge1000> Mexican!
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21:39 < Demiurge1000> and it tastes GOOD!
21:40 < PeterSJC> Can someone explain how to use a template sandbox. I know I can copy the template there and make changes, but then how do I test it? If I invoke the template, won't it use the one that is in production.
21:40 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: /msg fn-troll hi]
21:40 < Isarra> Invoke the sandbox.
21:40 < Isarra> Sandbox is just a subpage, right?
21:40 < PeterSJC> yes, it is
21:41 < Isarra> So {{templatename/sandboxthing}} instead of just {{templatename}}.
21:41 < Logan_> Hi Sp33dyphil.
21:41 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sp33dyphil/My_sandbox_6 things are going well.
21:41 < PeterSJC> ah, ok...    That means I can test it with pages that I create for testing, but not with actual WP pages, right?
21:42 < Isarra> Technically you can use it with whatever, but you probably shouldn't save changes when testing it in articles...
21:42 < Isarra> But that's what the preview button is for.
21:43 < PeterSJC> OK, that makes sense. Thanks.
21:43 < Isarra> Welcomes.
21:44 < Frostee> Farewells.
21:44 < Isarra> Frostee, darling, could you do something for me?
21:45 < Frostee> sure
21:45 < Frostee> depends actually
21:45 < Isarra> Could you get yourself unblocked so I can pester you to edit?
21:45 < Isarra> You're here and I can't even do that. It's terrible.
21:45 < Frostee> Why would I want to edit
21:46 < Isarra> I dunno; you might like some of the tools people use around these parts...
21:46 < Frostee> I remember the tools
21:46 < Frostee> And they sucked :P
21:46 < Isarra> Which tools?
21:46 < Frostee> The thingy
21:47 < Frostee> Twinkle or something
21:47 < Isarra> There are so many tools, though.
21:47 < Isarra> I want to stab some of them.
21:47 < Isarra> But man, you really would like huggle.
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21:48 < Frostee> Getting myself unblocked would require
21:48 < Frostee> Emailing whoever blocked me
21:48 < Frostee> Convincing them I'll be good
21:49 < Frostee> And other things
21:49 < Isarra> I could vouch for you, but I'm not sure that would actually help. >.>
21:49 < Isarra> There is a guide on what to do, though.
21:50 < Frostee> Oh yes
21:50 < Frostee> I should read that one day
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21:50 < Isarra> *kitty eyes*
21:51 < Isarra> Woaaaah, the rfa table has all these pretty colours... o__o
21:55 < Frostee> excllent?
21:56 < Peter-C> PeterSJC?
21:56 < Peter-C> wtf is that
21:56  * Peter-C draws a switchblade and starts a turf war
21:57 < Peter-C> jab jab. stab stab stab.
21:57  * Isarra looms under a table.
21:58 < PeterSJC> Hello, Tocayo...  cálmate...     I live under the downwind leg of the traffic pattern for Runway 29 at San Jose Norman Y. Mineta International Airport (SJC)
21:58  * Peter-C licks Isarra
21:58 < Peter-C> Not the nices place to live.
21:58 < harej> ...They named an airport after Norman Mineta?
21:58 < Isarra> Asking Peter-C to calm himself is like asking a walrus to move quickly.
21:58 < Isarra> It can happen, but it also smells really bad.
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21:59 < PeterSJC> Peter-C, I sort of agree, about naming things after anyone who is still alive, but we are proud of our former mayor...
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22:00 < PeterSJC> I can remember when it was just "San Jose Municipal Airport" (not international)
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22:01 < harej> Hey, I didn't know he was the mayor, either!
22:01 < harej> I know him as the Secretary of Transportation.
22:02 < Frood> harej: so you just avoided Iowa? :(
22:03 < harej> I didn't avoid Iowa. Amtrak did.
22:03 < Frood> Oh.
22:03 < Frood> There's Amtrak in Iowa
22:03 -!- Tiptoety|away is now known as Tiptoety
22:03 < harej> Not the Empire Builder.
22:03 < Frood> also whenever I retweet something semi-controversial, I lose a follower.
22:03 < Frood> I had 105 yesterday, down to 101 now
22:04 < TeeTylerToe> truth hurts
22:04 < Frood> one of them was " Hey girl, I'm pro-life. But not necessarily yours. "
22:04 < PeterSJC> Harej, IIRC, Mineta spent a brief part of his childhood in an internment camp
22:05 < harej> Paul Ryan Gosling's great.
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22:07  * PeterSJC is not currently in San Jose, but in beautiful Lakeview, Oregon, where the air is currently much smoggier than it is in SJC, due to some wildfires and winds.
22:08 < Andorin> Oregon is nice, though.
22:08 < Isarra> I like oregon.
22:08  * Shirik lives in Oregon :(
22:08 < Frood> Shirik: if you come to iowa that :( will turn into a :D
22:08 < Frood> because iowa is boring
22:09 < Frood> and you'll be happy to be in oregon
22:09  * Mdann52 is on holiday in Italy :)
22:09 < harej> iowa has 99 counties
22:09 < Frood> yes it does
22:09 < Shirik> I am happy to be in Oregon
22:09 < Shirik> you make Oregon sound sad
22:09 < Frood> you used :(
22:09 < Frood> which implies sadness
22:09 < Shirik> because you made it sound sad
22:09 < harej> iowa picks corn. new hampshire picks presidents.
22:09 < Shirik> oh no PeterSJC did
22:09 < Frood> we don't have any corn
22:09 < Frood> it's all dry
22:09 < Andorin> I'm in Oregon, but it's not north enough in my opinion.
22:09 < Frood> i saw farmers cutting it down today
22:10 < harej> sadface
22:10 < Shirik> new hampshire with all their electoral votes
22:10  * Andorin moves to Alaska.
22:10 < Frood> total loss
22:10 < Frood> august isn't harvest time :(
22:10 < Shirik> Andorin: I live on the border :P
22:10 < Shirik> doesn't get any more north
22:10 < IShadowed_> Oregon is sad because only Shirik and hipsters live there
22:10 < Andorin> Of?
22:10  * Isarra gives Frood a dead plant.
22:10 < Shirik> heyfu
22:10 < IShadowed_> it's true though
22:10 < Shirik> northern oregon border
22:10 < IShadowed_> 'you know it is
22:10 < Andorin> oic
22:10 < Frood> you live near Canada?
22:10 < Shirik> ...
22:10 < Andorin> I'm more in the middle of the state, near the coast.
22:11 < Shirik> hi Frood
22:11 < Shirik> there is a state north of Oregon
22:11 -!- Jmajeremy|Away [~Jmajeremy@wikipedia/Jmajeremy] has quit [Quit: Jmajeremy|Away]
22:11 < Frood> it's past midnight
22:11 < harej> north of Oregon is Washington, which is where I am now.
22:11 < IShadowed_> SEATTLE
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22:11 < IShadowed_> XD
22:11 < Frood> you expect me to know geography?
22:11 < Shirik> yes, the state of Seattle
22:11 < IShadowed_> <3
22:11 < Frood> oh yeah
22:11 < Frood> that's south of the country of Boston
22:11 < harej> Shirik: to be fair, calling the state Washington was a fucking dumb idea
22:12 < Andorin> People have to specify "Washington state", which is annoying.
22:12 < harej> I don't do that. State names should stand on their own.
22:12 < harej> Washington is Washington.
22:12 < Frood> there's also washington county
22:13 < Frood> and a washington city
22:13 < harej> there are several washington cities
22:13 < Andorin> Louisiana is the only state to not have counties.
22:13 < Andorin> Apparently.
22:13 < wctaiwan> IShadowed_: why are you always IShadowed_, with the underscore?
22:13 < harej> include three towns called washington in new jersey
22:13 < Frood> wctaiwan: she grew a tail
22:13 < harej> Andorin: Louisiana has parishes, and Alaska has boroughs. They're effectively the same as counties.
22:13 < Frood> kinda embarrassed don't bring it up
22:13 < wctaiwan> when I say Washington I mean Washington DC /smug
22:13 < IShadowed_> Because I'm missing something in life
22:13 < wctaiwan> Frood: heheh
22:13  * IShadowed_ wrist
22:14 < harej> Us residents of the nation's capital call our land "DC". But no one else does.
22:14 < Shirik> ah finally found it
22:14 < Shirik> harej: http://media.mlive.com/grpress/news_impact/photo/534171-10151148593798289-36261648288-13498899-541604300-njpg-6d5ace13a53bcaa3.jpg
22:14 < IShadowed_> this is really very accurate
22:15 < Andorin> lol Alaska
22:15 < harej> I had no idea the entire northern half of Maryland was part of "The White House".
22:15 < harej> I am sure the Baltimorons will be thrilled to hear that.
22:15 < Frood> i don't have a minnesota accent
22:15 < Shirik> it's true
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22:16 < IShadowed_> It's ok, PA got lumped in with NYC
22:16 < IShadowed_> No one cares about us
22:16 < harej> Pennsylvania is a silly state.
22:16 < IShadowed_> Yes.
22:16 < Shirik> there's a pennsyslvania in this one
22:16 < IShadowed_> I despise it here
22:17 < Shirik> http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1218050/7ed40e1042c30788e1de36e4b1727d6a_original.jpg?59b31aa1
22:17 < IShadowed_> Shirik cannot spell Pennsylvania
22:17 < Shirik> oh wow that was awful
22:17 < Shirik> I blame the 10:15ness
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22:17 < IShadowed_> bitch please, I can spell Oregon and it's 1:17 here. <not a fallacy at all>
22:17 < wctaiwan> I can't spell Massachusetts.
22:18 < IShadowed_> EMM EYE ESS ESS EYE ESS ESS EYE PEE PEE EYE
22:18 < wctaiwan> huh, actually I can XD that was correct.
22:18 < wctaiwan> Totally didn't expect it to be.
22:18 < Shearonink> Pennsylvania has towns and  townships and counties.
22:18 < wctaiwan> it's the silliest of silly state names. Mississippi is at least consistent.
22:18 < IShadowed_> it also has nothing but terrible people
22:19 < IShadowed_> if I had the option to save 1 person from PA
22:19 < IShadowed_> I would save myself
22:19 < IShadowed_> 'cause everyone else is a republican
22:20 < Shearonink> srsly?
22:20 < wctaiwan> [13:04] == AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: going to moon brb]
22:20  * wctaiwan stares
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22:20 < harej> "Pennsylvania" is a pretty silly state name, people constantly referring to it as "pee eh" is silly, but really the actual silliness knows no bounds.
22:20 < fn-troll> wctaiwan: wat
22:21 < wctaiwan> fn-troll: nice quit message is all.
22:21 < IShadowed_> Indeed
22:21 < wctaiwan> so saying AntiSpamMeta pings you. Good to know >.>
22:21 < IShadowed_> I would live in any other state except this one
22:21 < IShadowed_> Any other.
22:21 < IShadowed_> Including all the shitty ones like Alaska and Virginia
22:21 < wctaiwan> West Virginia?
22:21 < IShadowed_> Any place but here
22:21 < harej> West Virginia's great.
22:22  * wctaiwan ships IShadowed_ to africa
22:22 < Shirik> north virginia needs to become its own state
22:22 < wctaiwan> harej: mostly rural, though..
22:22 < IShadowed_> West Virginia is less bad than actual Virginia, because actual Virginians are pretentious as fuck
22:22 < wctaiwan> heh
22:22 < harej> West Virginia is self-aware, as far as I can tell.
22:22 < IShadowed_> indeed
22:22 < Shirik> hey fu
22:22 < Shirik> not pretentious
22:23  * IShadowed_ smirks and pats
22:23 < IShadowed_> Uhhuh.
22:23 < Shirik> ok maybe slightly pretentious
22:23 < Shirik> but it builds character
22:23 < IShadowed_> Closer...
22:23 < wctaiwan> haha.
22:23 < wctaiwan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKsaInuMSzI for anyone else who listens to NPR regularly
22:23 < Shirik> also north virginia > south virginia
22:24 < IShadowed_> No, it's all equally bad
22:24 < IShadowed_> and Springfield is the pinnacle of bad, where all bad radiates from
22:24 < fn-troll> wctaiwan: yep
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22:25 < wctaiwan> there are so many springfields.
22:25 < IShadowed_> indeed
22:25 < IShadowed_> Arlington is pretty shitty as well
22:26 < IShadowed_> but less pretentious
22:26 < Frood> Shearonink: You have no idea how much I want to tell that person he's an idiot for thinking you can seriously predict earthquakes with weather
22:26 < Demiurge1000> Near Chelmsford!
22:26 < wctaiwan> The only arlington I know is the cemetery :|
22:26 < wctaiwan> oh and it's apparently the richest county in all of US, or something.
22:26 < Frood> anyway
22:26 < IShadowed_> it might as well all be cemetary, they wouldn't be missing anything
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22:28 < harej> Springfield is in northern virginia
22:28 -!- Shearonink [62a9f0a1@wikipedia/Shearonink] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
22:29 < harej> But why talk shit about Springfield when you can talk shit about Ashburn?
22:30 < IShadowed_> who cares where it is
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22:30 < IShadowed_> I said Virginia as a whole is terrible, no matter where you are
22:30 < IShadowed_> my town is equally bad, in fairness
22:30 < IShadowed_> worse, maybe, even.
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22:30 < harej> Where in Pennsylvania?
22:30 < IShadowed_> It's just rich white republicans
22:31 < IShadowed_> I can't say, but above will suffice
22:31 < harej> Congrats! You've described 90% of the state.
22:32 < IShadowed_> this is kind of my point
22:32 < IShadowed_> PA sucks
22:32  * wctaiwan nukes it
22:32 < wctaiwan> I wish I had access to Special:Nuke :(
22:32 < IShadowed_> 99% white, 80% evangelical and 18% catholic
22:32 < IShadowed_> like seriously
22:32 < IShadowed_> someone just shoot me
22:32 < wctaiwan> haha.
22:32 < IShadowed_> I would be happier
22:33 < wctaiwan> IShadowed_: it's dream country for many people in the US.
22:33 < wctaiwan> white and religious.
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22:33 < IShadowed_> they can have it
22:33 < IShadowed_> take it
22:33 < IShadowed_> please
22:33 < IShadowed_> let me go live on the west coast or something
22:33 < wctaiwan> (I suspect racism lurks behind a lot of seemingly ideological divides in US politics...)
22:34 < IShadowed_> I fucking know racism lurks behind a lot of pseudoideological divides
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22:34 < harej> wctaiwan, that suspicion is correct.
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22:57 < Isarra> Wikipedians are really weird, aren't they?
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23:00 < GabrielF> yeah
23:00 < GabrielF> pretty weird
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23:01 < Isarra> <3
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23:19 < SigmaWP> Does anyone know what http://www.nerve.com/files/tumblr_ktlvg93OLw1qa70b3o1_250.jpg is supposed to be
23:20 < Mdann52> The london 2012 logo
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23:22 < SigmaWP> That's what I thought too
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23:24 < jorm> lisa and bart simpson engaging in naughty, incestuous activity.
23:24 < Mdann52> ????????????
23:25 < closedmouth> you can't see that?
23:25 < Mdann52> No.
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23:28 < Bsadowski1> what the
23:28 < SigmaWP> Cygwin isn't as bad as people say
23:28 < Bsadowski1> rofl
23:28 < Bsadowski1> Indeed, jorm.
23:28 < TeeTylerToe> I suggested that the S-76 was similar to the S-70...  then the brave men of the aviation project went on a jihad to attack this to such a crazy extent, they claimed that the S-76 transmission was a single stage, didn't use a planetary gear...
23:29 < TeeTylerToe> The time they spent coming up with insane original research to contradict references for NO REASON
23:29 < wctaiwan> jorm: how the flying f--- did you see that? O_o
23:29 < wctaiwan> but of course you're right.
23:29 < TeeTylerToe> in case you were wondering, yes, wikipedians are funny
23:29 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: It cannot be unseen
23:29 < wctaiwan> I know.
23:30 < Isarra> Wikipedians are not funny.
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23:30 < Isarra> Prolongued exposure just tends to burn away people
23:31 < Isarra> 's abiltiy to discern funny.
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23:31 < wctaiwan> I'm Not Funny.
23:31 < Isarra> This is true.
23:32 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Have you gotten to http and url stuff in python yet?
23:32 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: haven't progressed since we last spoke
23:32 < SigmaWP> D:
23:33 < wctaiwan> I'm lazy like that
23:33 < wctaiwan> /yawn
23:33 < wctaiwan> in a communist society I'd be convicted to parasitism and sentenced to hard labour.
23:33 < wctaiwan> but luckily this isn't a communist society. :)
23:34 < SigmaWP> I hate people who hate fcite
23:34 < SigmaWP> The coal ball article loads in 4 seconds with it
23:35  * SigmaWP bites wctaiwan 
23:35 < Isarra> One of these days, I will write an article.
23:35 < Isarra> I WILL DO IT!
23:35 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: get off me you rabid dog
23:35 < wctaiwan> Isarra: good luck!
23:35 < wctaiwan> if you need help just holler, and stuff.
23:36 < Isarra> I'll definitely need help.
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23:37 < Isarra> I've mimicked the style enough times that that shouldn't be a problem, but the actually citing sources... that'll be hard for me.
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23:37 < TeeTylerToe> cheeseless sandwiches make me sad
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23:37 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: hi
23:37 < SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
23:37 < Sp33dyphil> how's it going?
23:37 < SigmaWP> good ish
23:37 < Logan_> Sp33dyphil: Hello.
23:38 < TeeTylerToe> what kind of world do we live in where there are cheeseless sandwiches?
23:38  * Isarra wanders off to find stronger painkillers.
23:39 < TeeTylerToe> other than pbj...
23:39 < TeeTylerToe> and blts
23:40 < wctaiwan> one where we don't have an abundance of dairy products?
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23:40 < closedmouth> wctaiwan: are you also Not There.?
23:41 < wctaiwan> Nope.
23:42 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_ : about 4 more days before I can take [[Nexus 7]] to GAN
23:42 < closedmouth> oh, i thought it was a reference to the bob dylan movie :(
23:42 < Logan_> Sp33dyphil: Awesome. :)
23:43 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: can you list all the apps that came with the Nexus 7?
23:44 < Logan_> No, unfortunately.
23:44 < Logan_> I already installed a ton of apps.
23:45 < wctaiwan> lol apps >.>
23:45 < Logan_> lol wctaiwan
23:45 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_ can't you remember which apps came pre-installed?
23:46 < Logan_> I mean, I guess.
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23:46 < Logan_> It was pretty much just a bunch of Google apps.
23:46 < Logan_> Chrome, Wallet, Currents, Google+, Gmail, etc.
23:46 < Logan_> Earth
23:46 < Logan_> maybe Maps
23:47 < Sp33dyphil> YouTube, Calender as well?
23:47 < Logan_> Yes, definitely
23:47 < wctaiwan> wouldn't it be similar to what's on the GN?
23:47 < Logan_> Yes.
23:47 < wctaiwan> give or take a few like google play books.
23:47 < Logan_> Oh, yes; the Play apps were preinstalled (Store, Books, Music, Magazines)
23:48 < wctaiwan> yeah, on the GN that'd be just store and music
23:48 < Logan_> I don't have the tablet where I am right now.
23:48  * wctaiwan has a GN
23:48 < Logan_> I only have my GN.
23:48 < Logan_> sadface
23:48 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: have you changed the launcher/background?
23:48 < wctaiwan> dammit
23:48  * wctaiwan goes and sells his phone
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23:48 < wctaiwan> Logan_ uses it. It's obviously not cool.
23:48 < Logan_> >:-(
23:49 < Logan_> Sp33dyphil: No, I have not.
23:49 < wctaiwan> brb
23:49 < Logan_> I tend to leave the default wallpaper on all of my stuff. :P
23:49 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: does your homescreen have any apps that weren't pre-installed?
23:49 < Logan_> Yes.
23:50 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: the thing is, if you move your non-preinstalled apps onto another page, you can take a photo of the nexus on
23:50 < Logan_> This is true.
23:50 < closedmouth> what's a GN?
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23:51 < Sp33dyphil> Galaxy Nexus
23:51 < closedmouth> oh
23:51 < Logan_> I personally call it a GNex. :P
23:52 < Sp33dyphil> Logan_: which means you can take a hybrid photo of http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPad_3.png
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23:53 < Logan_> With my mother's iPad?
23:53 < wctaiwan> ack. They stopped selling coffee from the vending machine downstairs.
23:54 < Sp33dyphil> no, can you take a photo of your Nexus with the screen turned on and with that shadow effect on the iPad 3
23:54 < wctaiwan> This is going to be annoying once the semester starts, seeing as buying from the vending machine is both much quicker and cheaper than going to a convenience store.
23:54 < Peter-C> Hey Sp33dyphil :3
23:54 < Sp33dyphil> hey Pete
23:54  * wctaiwan demands his daily dose of caffeine :(
23:55 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: It is a capitalistic strategy to make the unsuspecting consumers addicted to their products
23:56  * wctaiwan smashes SigmaWP with a mace in his caffeine-deprived rage
23:56  * SigmaWP doesn´t blink as the mace bounces off, because wctaiwan is too tired to swing strongly
23:56  * wctaiwan collapses on the floor
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23:57  * SigmaWP sweeps wctaiwan under a rug so matt_buck will not see
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23:58  * Apheori douses the channel in crickets.
23:58 < Steven_Zhang> jorm: you seen the upcoming op ed?
23:58 < wctaiwan> typical commies. Always prettying up the ugly reality in a way they think outsiders would appreciate
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