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--- Log opened Sun Aug 05 00:00:01 2012
--- Day changed Sun Aug 05 2012
00:00 < wctaiwan> Riley_Huntley: what's the problem?
00:00 < Riley_Huntley> I need help finding an IRC server other than webchat.freenode.net. Any suggestions?
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00:00 < mareklug> http://freenode.net/
00:00 < wctaiwan> You mean a server or a web client?
00:00 < closedmouth> a different server than freenode?
00:00 < wctaiwan> because webchat.freenode.net is not actually a server.
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00:00 < wctaiwan> calvino.freenode.net. Now that's a server.
00:00 < wctaiwan> or rowling.freenode.net
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00:01 < closedmouth> zelazny or death!
00:01 < wctaiwan> you use webchat.freenode.net, a web-based client, to connect to one of them, or another of freenode's many servers.
00:01 < Apheori> Adorable.
00:01  * Ironholds hugs Apheori
00:01 < Ironholds> I'm tremendously sleep-deprived. hi!
00:01 < wctaiwan> I like calvino. It sounds aristocratic.
00:01 < Apheori> O_o
00:01 < wctaiwan> ...again.
00:02 < Apheori> Why?
00:02 < Apheori> I'm sideways and can hardly type.
00:02 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  it's after the populist Italian fiction writer :)
00:02 < wctaiwan> mareklug: the invisible knight and all that?
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00:03 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  um, that title draws a blank here.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo_Calvino
00:04 < wctaiwan> The Nonexistent Knight, that's the one.
00:04 < closedmouth> it usually has a biography of the author in the welcome message
00:04 < wctaiwan> I read a translation in chinese and just gave a phrase that sounds like the original title :p
00:04 < Dcoetzee> Ironholds: :-/ Hopefully you'll get a chance to get more rest soon.
00:04 < mareklug> i know Invisible Cities
00:04 < closedmouth> [13:57:52]	===	- ZELAZNY, ROGER JOSEPH [1937-1995]. Roger Zelazny was a
00:04 < closedmouth> [13:57:52]	===	- leading light in the New Wave of science fiction.
00:05 < wctaiwan> so apparently webchat connected me to rowling.
00:05 < RD2> Cool story.
00:05 < Ironholds> Apheori: my master bedroom has windows facing east and no curtains
00:05 < Apheori> Cows.
00:05 < Apheori> Oh?
00:06 < wctaiwan> Riley_Huntley: so do you need a client (something that'll let you connect to a server of your choice) or a server (another place where other channels exist)?
00:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> Ironholds: can of black spraypaint
00:06 < Ironholds> WhiskerBiscuit: kinda not removable
00:06 < Riley_Huntley> wctaiwan: Figured it out thanks
00:06 < Ironholds> Apheori: indeed.
00:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> razor blade
00:06 < wctaiwan> okay.
00:06 < Apheori> Should I be concerned if I was coughing up blood?
00:06 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  he already said he does not want a desktop client, cuz they connect to links slowly
00:07 < Apheori> Ironholds:  What is the significance of east?
00:07 < closedmouth> that's where the sun comes up
00:07 < wctaiwan> mareklug: okay, then he wants another web client, not a server :p
00:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> not near my house
00:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> heh
00:07 < Apheori> Oh.
00:07 < wctaiwan> and mibbit is blocked by freenode, fwiw.
00:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> rofl
00:07 < Ironholds> Apheori: the sun rises in that direction
00:07 < Ironholds> curse it. CURSE THE SUN.
00:07 < wctaiwan> which is why I use webchat.
00:07  * Ironholds hisses at the sun
00:07 < Apheori> I suggrst cardboard.
00:07 < wctaiwan> oh and mibbit is hideous.
00:07 < Ironholds> Apheori: you're a fucking genius
00:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> I remember a game show where the contestants came up with the three other answers for that question
00:07 < Ironholds> I have like, a billion boxes
00:08 < Ironholds> wheee
00:08 < Apheori> XD
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00:08  * Ironholds hugs Apheori again, goes off to fix it
00:08 < wctaiwan> Ironholds sounds like a vampire.
00:08 < closedmouth> it didn't work for al pacino
00:08 < wctaiwan> hatred of the sun and all that.
00:08 < mareklug> http://freenode.net/  <-- i already suggestsd this as an alt.
00:08 < Ironholds> wctaiwan: I am not! Although I am hunting the fuckers down in skyrim
00:08 < Ironholds> anyway. laters, all
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00:08 < Apheori> Even huggle is hard sidewaYS...
00:09 < wctaiwan> doesn't linux allow you to rotate your dispay 90%?
00:09 < wctaiwan> er, 90 degrees
00:11 < Apheori> I'm sideways.
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00:11 < Apheori> My brain handles directionality, but I'm still down an arm and gravity is all bad,
00:11 < Apheori> .
00:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> busted?
00:11 < closedmouth> hey how about not being sideways
00:12 < closedmouth> here's an idea
00:12 < Apheori> But that would require movin.
00:12 < Apheori> g
00:13 < closedmouth> moving is underrated
00:13 < Apheori> It's hard.
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00:13 < Apheori> It requires arrangging pillows.
00:14 < closedmouth> no it doesn't!
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00:14 < Apheori> 	gvbhyjnkml;'./
00:14 < Apheori> Oops.
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00:15 < wctaiwan> pillows, plural.
00:16 < wctaiwan> you rich spoiled wasteful americans >.>
00:16 < Apheori> Two of my pillows are over twice my age.
00:16 < Apheori> Don't diss them!
00:16 < closedmouth> what, that's gross
00:16 < Apheori> Especially the one stuffed with lint.
00:17 < closedmouth> must be filled with bed bugs
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00:18 < WhiskerBiscuit> "How old is that girl? 18 you say?  I've got underwear older than that"
00:18 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  this may interest you http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/synaptics/   "So you have rotated display ('xrandr --orientation') and now touchpad ('synaptics') can't be used...."
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00:19 < wctaiwan> mareklug: I use two of the three mainstream operating systems as desktop OSes. Guess which one I don't :P
00:19 < mareklug> i was just following' up...
00:19 < WhiskerBiscuit> the one thats free
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00:19 < closedmouth> BSD?
00:20 < wctaiwan> BSD is not a mainstream OS.. at least I thought it wasn't.
00:20 < wctaiwan> and I know Linux is just a kernel. >.>
00:20 < mareklug> it used to be
00:20 < Apheori> You use it.
00:20 < Apheori> It is!
00:20 < Apheori> Or rather, it's in one.
00:20 < Dcoetzee> OS X is based on BSD and that's pretty mainstream.
00:20 < mareklug> bsd4.3 on Vax
00:20 < wctaiwan> the lineage is sufficiently diluted, Dcoetzee
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00:21 < wctaiwan> It's based on NextSTEP or whatever that was, which was in turn based on NetBSD.... if I remember correctly from OS class. And that's just Mac OS X 10.0
00:21 < Jeske_Merensky> I keep having time-out issues. It's pissing me off, because I can't suss the problem.
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00:21 < wctaiwan> there have been 8 major iterations since
00:22 < mareklug> mountain lion is so much more than its bsd.  i mean, the iCloud itself.
00:22 < wctaiwan> I hate the cloud.
00:22 < WhiskerBiscuit> meh
00:22 < wctaiwan> I don't have iCloud enabled.
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00:23 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  yer a luddite
00:23 < WhiskerBiscuit> i hate apple gimmicks
00:23 < wctaiwan> mareklug: might be, yes
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00:23 < wctaiwan> also mareklug: http://macperformanceguide.com/MountainLion-SaveAs-data-destruction.html you might want to know about that
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00:23 < mareklug> i enjoy my iPod touch and my iMac working seamlessly together
00:24 < WhiskerBiscuit> mareklug: true
00:24 < Jeske_Merensky> Anyone have any ideas as to why IRC keeps timing out its connection?
00:24 < WhiskerBiscuit> but nothing apple can do will ever make up for the obscenity known as itunes
00:24 < wctaiwan> iTunes is alright on OS X, really
00:24 < WhiskerBiscuit> Jeske_Merensky: your client has a low idle set?
00:25 < closedmouth> Jeske_Merensky: your connection is fucked
00:25 < RD2> Jeske_Merensky: Probably an issue on your end (not freenode..I dont see it happening to anybody else)
00:25 < wctaiwan> Freenode is always 240s, WhiskerBiscuit, iirc.
00:25 < wctaiwan> oh wait no
00:25 < wctaiwan> I'm talking out of my arse
00:25 < WhiskerBiscuit> Itunes and the entire playlist concept is crap
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00:25 < WhiskerBiscuit> best thing about ios is the synching between devices
00:25 < wctaiwan> mareklug: part of the reason why I haven't enabled iCloud is that doing so requires me to ditch my current apple ID.
00:26 < Jeske_Merensky> closedmouth) What would you suggest, then? My router's been fucked with all this week because my sister is an idiot, and if I fuck with it I'll likely ABEND myself
00:26 < wctaiwan> I like how I can log in with wctaiwan instead of wctaiwan@gmail.com
00:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> wctaiwan: why ditch?
00:26  * wctaiwan is lazy
00:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> ah
00:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> how old is your appleid?
00:26 < wctaiwan> from before they forced you to use an email, apparently :p
00:26 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  thanks for the heads up.  i guess i am happy to have a working time capsule
00:26 < closedmouth> i can't fix your internet for you
00:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> in russia internet fix you
00:27 < Jeske_Merensky> WhiskerBiscuit) I'm using Chatzilla; I wouldn't know how to check the idle.
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00:27 < wctaiwan> mareklug: I also don't have an iOS device that runs iOS 5+, so that's one major point of iCloud gone.
00:27 < WhiskerBiscuit> switch clinets and see if that helps.  xchat is pretty good
00:27 < RD2> ChatZilla isn't the problem either, prob
00:27 < RD2> Try moving.
00:27 < WhiskerBiscuit> well, you wont know until you try another
00:28 < Jeske_Merensky> WhiskerBiscuit) I also tried KVIRC earlier. It was having identical issues.
00:28 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  but it's true nonetheless, the iCloud functionality is a big other layer over bsd
00:28 < WhiskerBiscuit> what happend to your routeR?
00:28 < wctaiwan> mareklug: well I don't consider OS X to be BSD so :p
00:29 < Jeske_Merensky> WhiskerBiscuit) My half-brother's been tinkering with its settings
00:30 < mareklug> Jeske_Merensky:  why not hard reset the thing to factory settings?
00:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> what I would do
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00:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> does freenode required Ident?
00:31 < Jeske_Merensky> WhiskerBiscuit) No, but I auto-ID on login
00:31 < WhiskerBiscuit> what router are you using?  it might be easier to reset the firmware
00:32 < Jeske_Merensky> I don't know the model.
00:32 < Jeske_Merensky> It's flat, grey, and compact.
00:33 < mareklug> um, there is usually a sticker underside
00:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> well browse to http://192.168.1.1 and find out
00:33 < closedmouth> change the router password and tell your brother to fuck off
00:34 < mareklug> he has to restore it first
00:34 < wctaiwan> Jeske_Merensky: brand?
00:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> i bet he is a redhead
00:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> you should beat him
00:34 < Jeske_Merensky> Westell, apparently
00:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> get a paper clip
00:34 < Jeske_Merensky> closedmouth) Usually he knows what the fuck he's doing
00:34 < closedmouth> so get him to fix it
00:34 < mareklug> are you sure that's not your cable/dsl box?
00:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> i doubt it
00:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> Westell default username/password is
00:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> admin/password
00:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> are you on wifi?
00:35 < Jeske_Merensky> WhiskerBiscuit) Yes.
00:35 < wctaiwan> westell seems to use 192.168.1.1 alright
00:35 < Jeske_Merensky> I am on wireless
00:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> so the router is wifi as well?
00:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> or is the wifi seperate?
00:36 < Jeske_Merensky> The router itself is wired to another one
00:36 < WhiskerBiscuit> so what is providing wifi?  another one?
00:36 < mareklug> sounds like a del box...
00:36 < mareklug> dsl
00:37 < Jeske_Merensky> The router is. It's providing wi-fi, and gets its internet from another router, which is hooked up to the modem in the back
00:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> in any case to reset , just get a paper clip
00:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> and hold it in the reset (red) hole for 10 secs
00:37 < Jeske_Merensky> Should I forward some ports?
00:37 < wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Upcountry holy..
00:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> after it reboots, connect to the unsecure westell network
00:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> no need to forward ports
00:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> not for irc at least
00:38 < Jeske_Merensky> I'll do it when I've an opportunity.
00:39 < WhiskerBiscuit> just beat your brother
00:39 < Jeske_Merensky> I'm not a good fighter
00:39 < mareklug> 2:30 in the morning souns like a prime opportunity
00:39 < Jeske_Merensky> mareklug) It's 00:39 here
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00:39 < WhiskerBiscuit> aw.. what happened to all the lavender at ANI
00:39 < WhiskerBiscuit> someones fucking with the big board
00:40 < IDoH> Hey
00:40 < WhiskerBiscuit> You
00:40 < IDoH> ...what?
00:41  * WhiskerBiscuit smacks IDoH with some Pink Floyd
00:41 < mareklug> i was just gonna say that
00:41 < WhiskerBiscuit> I saw the Wall last month
00:41 < WhiskerBiscuit> fucking amazing
00:41 < IDoH> What does pink floyd have to do with this?
00:42 < mareklug> Can You Hear Me?
00:42 < WhiskerBiscuit> [[Hey You]]
00:42 < wctaiwan> oh crap, the chick-fil-a fiasco spilled over to enwp?
00:42 < wctaiwan> That's both sad and hilarious.
00:42 < WhiskerBiscuit> where?
00:42 < IDoH> Oh, there's a song called "Hey You"?
00:42 < wctaiwan> ANI.
00:42 < WhiskerBiscuit> oh yeah
00:43 < WhiskerBiscuit> I read about it there
00:43 < IDoH> Oh. I'm not a pink floyd fan. And my head hurts. Ow. lol
00:43 < WhiskerBiscuit> I missed the fireworks here
00:43 < wctaiwan> I saw a summary somewhere, can't remember where.
00:43 < mareklug> IDoH:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gELhNbDcLE0
00:43 < wctaiwan> something about Jim Henson Company supporting GLAAD <3
00:44 < WhiskerBiscuit> I support delicous chicken
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00:44 < IDoH> mareklug: Thanks. I'm listening to the song now.
00:44 < mareklug> WhiskerBiscuit:  then you should head on to Wendy's
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00:44 < WhiskerBiscuit> Not even close to CfA
00:45 < IDoH> Does anyone have a decent, Mac compatible Igloo alternative? It's having trouble connecting to the remote server.
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00:46 < IDoH> Hey schiste
00:46 < mareklug> WhiskerBiscuit:  maybe.  haven't travelled to our out of the way chicks.   but at Wendy's you can get also a Baconator double.
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00:46 < WhiskerBiscuit> Heart attack to go... no thank you
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00:47 < IDoH> But just think, Whisker, you would be eating bacon. In other words, you would be eating an internet meme!
00:47 < IDoH> hey Lydia
00:47 < WhiskerBiscuit> this is creepy, yet hilarious
00:47 < WhiskerBiscuit> http://28.media.tumblr.com/SYd0ThjMApe4xl8qtoL1752to1_400.jpg
00:47 < Lydia_WMDE> Hi IDoH
00:47 < IDoH> Uh?
00:48 < WhiskerBiscuit> wha?
00:48 < IDoH> Most random porn I ever suh
00:48 < IDoH> Saw, even
00:48 < WhiskerBiscuit> its a "statutes attack" theme
00:48 < WhiskerBiscuit> similar, but not pornish
00:48 < WhiskerBiscuit> http://www.fatwallet.com/static/attachments/197688_statues.jpg
00:48 < mareklug> IDoH:  tell me first what Igloo is
00:49 < IDoH> Anti-vandalism software
00:49 < IDoH> [[WP:IGLOO]]
00:49 < IDoH> Uh oh. Statues are attacking!
00:49 < Riley_Huntley> I don't like Igloo
00:49 < IDoH> lol
00:49 < IDoH> Why not, Riley?
00:49 < wctaiwan> WhiskerBiscuit: kindly say so next time you're linking to something nsfw..
00:50 < WhiskerBiscuit> sowwy
00:50 < wctaiwan> thanks.
00:51 < WhiskerBiscuit> NSFW, but still funny http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yDi9UGBY6n8/SSHYlymlFJI/AAAAAAAACv4/HwYdXaglZOM/s400/blowing_ronald_mcdonald_1.jpg
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00:51 < IDoH> You know what's creepy? There's a Ronald statue in my local mall with that exact same pose.
00:51 < WhiskerBiscuit> damn, i keep reading his name as Jerry Sandusky
00:51 < IDoH> hey Jeske
00:51 < WhiskerBiscuit> thats creepy
00:52 < WhiskerBiscuit> I think they made thousands of those statues
00:52 < WhiskerBiscuit> I saw one in Thailand
00:52 < IDoH> Yes, it is creepy, and yes, those statues are probably mass-produced.
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00:52 < mareklug> "This user freezes vandals in their tracks with Igloo!"  <-- this user box makes no sense.  An igloo is an oasis of warmth.  It does not freeze anything, just the opposite.
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00:52 < IDoH> lol, mareklug
00:52 < Dcoetzee> Igloos are pretty cold on the outside.
00:52 < IDoH> true
00:53 < WhiskerBiscuit> yeah, jerry is still timing out
00:53 < WhiskerBiscuit> jeske
00:53 < WhiskerBiscuit> bleh
00:53 < mareklug> Dcoetzee:  so is planet Earth
00:53 < WhiskerBiscuit> Can I get a comment on this Afd?  This guy is freaking out... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/No_One_Rides_for_Free
00:53 < wctaiwan> mareklug: it only makes no sense if you take "freeze" literally.
00:54 < IDoH> Mareklug: Yeah, I mean, there's always venus to compare to.
00:54 < mareklug> IDoH:  i'm afraid Venus also is rather cold on the outside :)
00:54 < WhiskerBiscuit> They could call it Witches boob instead
00:54 < IDoH> lol
00:55 < WhiskerBiscuit> [[Witches' mark]]
00:55 < mareklug> wctaiwan:  you mean, arrest them in the igloo?
00:55 < wctaiwan> mareklug: or just, y'know, stop >.>
00:55 < WhiskerBiscuit> no, shut em out of the igloo
00:56 < WhiskerBiscuit> mv Igloo --> Witchs' tit
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00:56 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: Can you please comment on whether Drowned in Sound and Debaser.it are RSs?
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00:56 < mareklug> it would be more apt and more wild to have: "this user freezes vandals outside their igloos"
00:57 < mareklug> at least the vandals would be anachronistic
00:57 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: An igloo is simply an isulator. In principle, one can create a "reverse igloo" where you build the igloo in a warm climate, and fill the inside with ice or liquid nitrogen, cooling it below the outside temperature.
00:57 < wctaiwan> then it wouldn't be an igloo :p
00:58 < mareklug> right.
00:58 < WhiskerBiscuit> drowned in sound looks like a wiki
00:58 < wctaiwan> it's be a reverse igloo.
00:58 < WhiskerBiscuit> so that would make it a tertiary source, so no
00:58 < WhiskerBiscuit> And Debaser is in eye-tie which I can't read
00:58 < wctaiwan> WhiskerBiscuit: ehh, that it's a tertiary source isn't the issue. It's the user contributed part
00:58 < mareklug> also, igloo's charm and architectural sensee rests on its geography and thus building material.  snow.  not even ice.
00:59 < WhiskerBiscuit> wctaiwan: well, wikipedia is user contributed and a tertiary source
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00:59 < WhiskerBiscuit> and no one would consider wpen a RS
00:59 < WhiskerBiscuit> or no one should that is
00:59 < wctaiwan> WhiskerBiscuit: yes, but you could have a tertiary source written by say, a journalist, with proper research and verification. Nothing wrong with that
00:59 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: The point is that tertiary sources can be RS. But sources written by random guys with no screening are not.
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01:00 < wctaiwan> also, a wiki by itself may also be fine: e.g. a company employing an employee-edited wiki as a knowledgebase for information about its products.
01:00 < wctaiwan> http://wikimediafoundation.org/ is a reliable source for information related to the WMF.
01:01 < WhiskerBiscuit> but with verifucation they are becoming seconday sources again
01:01 < wctaiwan> uh, no. >.>
01:01 < WhiskerBiscuit> if you pull information out of a tertiary souce and use it, its still a teritary source
01:02 < wctaiwan> [[Tertiary source]]: nothing about verification there.
01:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> not disputing the verification part
01:02 < Dcoetzee> Okay put my vd in
01:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> oh, nvm.  I see what you are saying about TS
01:02 < wctaiwan> yeah :p
01:03 < wctaiwan> you're essentially right in that in this case, the wiki probably isn't an RS
01:03 < WhiskerBiscuit> i should have just redirected the fucking artile in the first place insead of AfD
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01:03 < wctaiwan> maybe, yeah.
01:03 < WhiskerBiscuit> now I feel like I have to go hit their entire catalog, cos they are all llike that
01:04 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: Please don't circumvent process when there is a dispute.
01:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> But I feel for the guy
01:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> he likes this albumn
01:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> Dcoetzee: why would i?  that just pisses people off
01:04 < Dcoetzee> You just said you should have redirected it :-P
01:05 < WhiskerBiscuit> no, instead of Afd'ing it
01:05 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: that's not circumvention...
01:05 < wctaiwan> you can reverse a redirect easily enough
01:05 < WhiskerBiscuit> i had no idea there would be a pissed off fan
01:05 < wctaiwan> it just uses a different, less heated venue.
01:05 < Dcoetzee> Okay it's not exactly circumvention since it can be reverted. But it's not cool to redirect instead of AfD in the hopes of avoiding detection.
01:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> I only found the article cos I was googling the phrase "Gas, Cash, Grass or Ass.  No one rides for free"
01:06 < wctaiwan> right.
01:06  * wctaiwan takes his pedantic hat off
01:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> and then I found that article
01:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> and said "hmmmm. no sources whatsoever"
01:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> well, no RS
01:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> I keep meaing to do that to all of the Playmates
01:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> but maybe not now
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01:08 < WhiskerBiscuit> So who was SkepticAnonymous in here?
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01:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> So I have a BLP question
01:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> If someone accuses an editor of having COI, its not BLP
01:12 < WhiskerBiscuit> But if somneone accuses the subject of a BLP of having a COI that IS
01:12 < wctaiwan> er, what? No.
01:12 < WhiskerBiscuit> I saw it last week
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01:13 < WhiskerBiscuit> An editor who is also a subject of a BLP
01:13 < WhiskerBiscuit> edits under his real name
01:13 < WhiskerBiscuit> It was some wierd shit... the adults wearing diapers thing
01:13 < wctaiwan> ...I'm going to stay out of this one.
01:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> i wasnt involved, just confused by reading it
01:14 < wctaiwan> yeah, still going to stay out of it :p
01:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> then again, I start reading [[m:The Wrong Version]] and wonder why anyone would want to be an admin
01:15 < WhiskerBiscuit> and thats only getting 1/4 through it
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03:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> o hai
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04:34 < wctaiwan> hey Steven_Zhang.
04:34 < Steven_Zhang> Hi
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05:19 < Wehwalt> j #wikipedia-en-admins
05:20 < Wehwalt> whoops sorry
05:20 < foks> and thus the cabal was no more
05:21 < wctaiwan> and we all went and had pie.
05:21 < wctaiwan> yay.
05:22 < foks> \o/
05:22  * foks is writing Interactive Fiction.
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05:22 < foks> This would be easier if I had a plot.
05:22 < wctaiwan> :O
05:23 < wctaiwan> foks: be sure to let me know when you finish
05:23 < wctaiwan> I love IF... the ones I manage to finish, anyway >.>
05:23 < foks> okay. I have two rooms at the moment.
05:23 < wctaiwan> good luck!
05:23 < foks> It's not exactly enthralling entairtainment at present ;)
05:23 < wiki_user> hi to all! i need some help on understanding a topic on wikipedia
05:23 < wctaiwan> (ever played Lost Pig? Now that was a good one... and there were some others too; I can't remember which; but there were some)
05:23  * wctaiwan nods emphatically
05:23 < wctaiwan> wiki_user: what's up?
05:24 < foks> wctaiwan, nope, but I think it rings a bell
05:24 < wiki_user> here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754
05:24 < foks> Photopia is the best IF I've ever played
05:24 < foks> "played", "read" more like
05:24 < wiki_user> in section Format, i can't understand why the max num that can be represented is 1x10^(-101)
05:25 < wctaiwan> foks: go play it sometime. It's funny, and it's also brilliant in that it's basically a tutorial of how IF generally works, except it manages to integrate the low difficulty and many hints into the plot.
05:27 < wctaiwan> wiki_user: sorry, afraid I'm out of my depth here.
05:27 < wctaiwan> oh and the H2G2 IF game was pretty good too..
05:28 < wiki_user> if the exponent is 96 and the precision is 7, the the maximum number representable is 9.999999x10^96 or (equally) 9999999x10^90
05:28 < wiki_user> and until here it's ok
05:30 < wiki_user> the minimum positive number (excluse zero) isn't 0000001x10^-96?
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05:30 < wiki_user> wikipedia report 1x10^-101
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05:31 < wctaiwan> are you looking at "q must be an integer such that 1-emax <= q+p-1 <= emax (e.g., if p=7 and emax=96 then q is -101 through 90)"?
05:33 < Wehwalt> That's why I didn't go for advanced degrees in math
05:37 < wctaiwan> wiki_user: keep in mind that emax does not define the exponent, q does. 2-emax-p <= q <= 1+emax-p.
05:38 < wctaiwan> I gave up trying to do the math :p but I think the numbers look alright.
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05:50 < mjthompson> Vandalism, I don't want to revert since I sorta know the person that did it :P: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timomatic&diff=505895399&oldid=505884026
05:50 < wiki_user> yes but why  1-emax <= q+p-1 and not emax <= q+p-1?
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05:51 < Froodsleep> oh hey
05:51 < Froodsleep> new warnings
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05:51 < wiki_user> those calc is a conversion from,for example 9.999999x10^96 to 9999999x10^90 that is the same
05:51 < wiki_user> to the right q <= emax -p +1
05:51 < wiki_user> q <= 96 - 7 +1 = q <= 96-6 = 90
05:52 < wiki_user> but to the left it shouldn't be the same?
05:55 < Frood> Wehwalt: Since we now know you're part of the cabal that doesn't exist, can you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Timomatic_.28edit.7Ctalk.7Chistory.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29 please?
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06:00 < wctaiwan> wiki_user: not really, when you're calculating the lower bound, you're using 1 for c. When you're calculating the upper bound, that becomes b^p-1 i.e. 999999.
06:01 < wctaiwan> and I have no idea why things are defined as they are. Surely the mathematicians and computer scientists know what they're doing >.>
06:02 < wctaiwan> at least I hope they do.
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06:05 < Frood> !admin please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Timomatic_.28edit.7Ctalk.7Chistory.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29 ?
06:06 < wiki_user> wctaiwan: i really can't understand
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06:07 < wctaiwan> wiki_user: sorry. I think it's possible that the exponents are different on either end, but beyond that I don't have much to offer. The formulae are straightforward enough: The numbers are either right or they aren't, and if they're not right I don't know what would be right.
06:07 < wctaiwan> Maybe you'll get better help elsewhere :/
06:09 < Frood> foks: <3
06:09 < foks> np
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06:11 < wctaiwan> I don't even get the joke.
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06:31 < Frood> foks: wanna block [[User:Cdctmom1980]] for block evasion?
06:31 < foks> Who's he like
06:32 < Frood> Cdctmom6712 probably
06:33 < foks> huh
06:33 < foks> open an spa
06:33 < foks> * spi
06:33 < foks> :P
06:33 < foks> lazy
06:33 < foks> Or indeed: !checkuser
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06:38 < Frood> foks: i opened one, didn't request CU though :P
06:38 < Frood> because it's a fuck
06:38 < Frood> *duck
06:40 < Bruvtakesover> xd
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06:55 < foks> Murray takes the first set!
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06:59 < Frood> !admin block Wikicop2012 please, socking, pretending to be admin, general troll
07:01 < MartijnH> Foxj was quicker than me
07:01 < Frood> except he said temporarily on the talk page :P
07:02 < foks> Twinkle trolled me.
07:02 < foks> :(
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07:03 < Qcoder02> Seen BarkingFish or Kylu?
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07:03 < foks> Good Lord Murray's just broken him again!
07:04 < Theopolisme> foks: Federer is just probably REALLY tired from yesterday
07:04 < foks> Excuses excuses.
07:04 < foks> :D
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07:05 < foks> What was he doing yesterday?
07:05 < Theopolisme> AHEM
07:05 < Qcoder02> Anyone here want to start a petition?
07:05 < Qcoder02> It needs someone in California ideally
07:06 < Theopolisme> foks: http://news.yahoo.com/federer-edges-del-potro-olympic-semifinals-155659204--oly.html
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07:07 < foks> theahem, that was Friday
07:07 < foks> Theopolisme, ^
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07:10 < Theopolisme> Bah, oh well
07:11 < foks> Federer is just throwing away loads of break points
07:11 < foks> It's not like he's not playing well
07:11 < foks> 'cos he is
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07:14 < Frood> Thanks, Theopolisme
07:14 < Theopolisme> For what?
07:14 < Theopolisme> Oh
07:14 < Theopolisme> Right
07:15 < Theopolisme> Short, Long, and Medium term Memory Loss
07:15 < Frood> foks: and [[User:Puffin eater]] please?
07:15 < Frood> already added to the SPI :P
07:16 -!- Theopolisme is now known as Theo|food
07:16 < Theo|food> back soon
07:17 < Qcoder02> Frood: Is there a Shame wall for ISP's haboruing known sockpuppets?
07:17 < Frood> Qcoder02: considering ISPs serve tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people...
07:18 < Frood> i'd venture to say that nearly every ISP in the world has its share of wikipedia socks
07:18 < Qcoder02> there is WP:LTA
07:18 < Qcoder02> but that doesn't list ISP's only  specfic IP addresses
07:18 < foks> [[WP:DENY]]
07:18 < foks> so no
07:19 < Qcoder02> OK
07:19 < Qcoder02> Presumably the WMF keeps logs though?
07:19 < Qcoder02> And will share those logs with 'the authorities' if asked :)
07:19 < foks> goodness that game lasted forever
07:19 < Qcoder02> <evil grin>
07:19 < foks> 3-0 murray in the second set
07:19 < Frood> they wouldn't
07:19 < Frood> they only would if there's a court order
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07:21 < Frood> or if there's a credible threat of violence
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07:22 < yutsi-mobile> hai guise
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07:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 15 hours remain
07:23 < Qcoder02> Frood: That's what I meant by asked
07:23 < Frood> a court order isn't asking
07:23 < yutsi-mobile> 15 hours until the rover?
07:23 < Qcoder02> I'm not expecting WMF to hand over things just cause some cop says ' Excuse me'
07:23 < Frood> it's exactly what it sounds like
07:23 < Frood> it's an order
07:23 < foks> Frood, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wikipedia_cabals_must_die
07:23 < foks> got 'im.
07:23 < foks> :3
07:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yutsi-mobile yup
07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can watch the simulation live
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07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/news/WhereIsCuriosity.html
07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> " Eyes on the Solar System 3-D interactive"
07:24 < yutsi-mobile> are they gonna show the landing live?
07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they cant
07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but there is a simulation
07:24 < Frood> foks: did he have any contribs?
07:25 < yutsi-mobile> ah
07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it shows the phases of the landing till touchdown
07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> aside from the last 10-12 minutes it shows the same flight
07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but you can see how large mars gets
07:25 < foks> Frood, no
07:25 < Frood> ok
07:25 < foks> I got him off the new user log
07:25 < foks> I'm guessing he's the same guy like
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07:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mars looks like half the size of a penny already probably
07:26 < yutsi-mobile> foks: its probably Gromp
07:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the craft gained 100mph since yesterday
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07:26 < yutsi-mobile> or some GNAA troll; or a disgruntled user from rfa
07:26 < foks> yutsi-mobile, who
07:27 < foks> also, no
07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is expected to reach 13,000 mph before touching the atmospehere
07:27 < foks> it's someone who's not frood's biggest fan atm
07:27 < foks> also, 4-0 Murray
07:27 < foks> jeez
07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no one is froods biggest fan
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07:27 < yutsi-mobile> foks: he's that infamous troll. JarlaxeArtemis or something is one of his names
07:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> JA is still around
07:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats a wow
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07:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> talk about dedication
07:28 < yutsi-mobile> probably. i think he pays a premium for closed proxies
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07:29 < yutsi-mobile> hundreds of socks
07:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
07:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we should have a wmf proxy for trolls >:D
07:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we can cheat them out of their cash
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07:32 < yutsi-mobile> omg we know grawp's identity : https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/32/Jeremy_and_father.jpg
07:32 < foks> please don't link to that in here.
07:32 < yutsi-mobile> kk
07:32 < yutsi-mobile> redacting previous link
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07:33 < Frood> yutsi-mobile: Why do you think that it's grawp doing this?
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07:33 < yutsi-mobile> frood: I was joking
07:33 < yutsi-mobile> its probs some disgruntled user
07:33 < Frood> of course it is
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07:36 < Frood> woah woah woah
07:36 < Frood> what happened to BOP?
07:36 < Frood> She was blocked?
07:37 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000
07:37 < Demiurge1000> Indefinitely.
07:37 < foks> Who?
07:37 < Demiurge1000> Checkuser block.
07:37 < Demiurge1000> Basket of Puppies
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07:37 < Frood> Demiurge1000: the funny thing is, that happened in 2010
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07:37 < Demiurge1000> History repeats itself?
07:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Demiurge1000 I think history is stuck on the same track
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07:38 < foks> !checkuser
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07:41 < foks> Murray now two sets up
07:41 < foks> Barring a remarkable turn of form by Federer...
07:41 < foks> Also, Del Potro just won the bronze
07:41 < foks> Beating Djokovic!
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07:45 < Frood> foks: StrangeWind too plz
07:46 < foks> d
07:47 < Frood> <3
07:47 < Frood> you're my new favorite admin
07:47 < Theopolisme> Haha, ikr
07:47  * Frood ^5s Theopolisme 
07:47 < foks> 15:47, 5 August 2012 Foxj (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Too slow fox (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled) (Block evasion)
07:47 < foks> boom
07:48 < foks> nothing but net
07:49 < nickanc> foks that is evolution theory: the slowest fox fails. ;)
07:50 < foks> "{
07:50 < foks> * :P
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07:56 < Wehwalt> Frood: Did you still need help?  Sorry, was afk
07:56 < Frood> Wehwalt: not anymore.
07:56 < foks> I think I got it
07:57 < Wehwalt> OK, take a raincheck for next time
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08:08 < Frood> This is what happens when I spend time in #cvn-wp-en. http://cl.ly/image/0P3x1Z1w0Z43
08:09 < Theopolisme> <nice>
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08:12  * Isarra dances.
08:13  * Theopolisme sighs at the immaturity
08:13 < BarkingFish> afternoon guys - anyone here got any image licensing experience?  I need to borrow someone to help me figure out how to stop one of my uploads getting deleted.  I've tried to FUR it, and the fur tag provided by twinkle isn't bloody working.
08:13 < BarkingFish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yealink-vp530-voip_phone.jpg
08:13 < BarkingFish> I know the image is copyrighted, that much is certain, I want to use it under FUR to illustrate a product which an article has been started for on enwp
08:14 < Isarra> Hrm...
08:14 < foks> Gold for GB!
08:14 < foks> Murray wins!
08:14 < BarkingFish> ffs. He beat Federer???
08:14 < foks> Yes!
08:14 < mareklug> Scotland is proud
08:14 < BarkingFish> Why couldn't he do that at fucking wimbledon...
08:14 < foks> In straight sets!
08:14 < Theopolisme> ON AN ACE
08:15 < foks> he's away up the stands
08:15 < foks> for some reason
08:15 < foks> oh, to hug his girlfriend.
08:15 < Isarra> BarkingFish: I FOUND A TEMPLATE.
08:15 < mareklug> Federer played tired, it looked
08:15 < Isarra> But there should be two template, I think.
08:16 < foks> Federer was just bad
08:16 < foks> He had opportunities to break Murray, never took them
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08:17 < BarkingFish> Isarra, brilliant.  Link plox?
08:17 < mareklug> you know he has a chance to repeat with Robson in mixt
08:19 < Isarra> BarkingFish: I added it, but you need to link the article and maybe scale the thing down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yealink-vp530-voip_phone.jpg
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08:19 < Frood> Theopolisme: I think he's given up for now.
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08:19 < Theopolisme> Who?
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08:20 < Frood> StrongDraught
08:20  * Isarra is so helpful.
08:20  * Isarra wanders off.
08:20 < yutsi-mobile> there, i finally got sssl working
08:20 < BarkingFish> Isarra, no need to scale it down, I did that before I uploaded it- all I gotta do is thumbnail it on the article :)
08:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 14 hours
08:20 < Isarra> Mmkay.
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08:20 < foks> GB's first gold in tennis in over a century o.O
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08:21 < yutsi-mobile> really?
08:21 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko:  you'll be buttery disappointed if that thing rams into the surface on account of the rockets not working
08:21 < yutsi-mobile> i thought british ppl were good at tennis
08:21 < mareklug> bitterly
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08:22 < foks> yutsi-mobile, unfortunately Nadal, Federer and Sampras aren't British :'(
08:22 < Frood> BarkingFish: no, she means that it's a policy to have it as small as possible while still being usable
08:22 < Frood> if it's just going to be a thumbnail, it should only be as big as you need it, and maaaaaybe just slightly larger
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08:23 < BarkingFish> ah, ok
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08:24 < yutsi-mobile> i wonder if im the person in my church to go on irc b4 mass
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08:24 < yutsi-mobile> must be another nerd somewhere
08:25 < yutsi-mobile> *the first person
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08:25 < closedmouth> you're going to hell
08:26 < mareklug> yutsi:  you wrote yesterday or so that you're a Hindu (albeit beef-eating) and now you confess catholicism?
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08:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug indeed
08:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am very excited
08:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> few things excited tme this much in years
08:26 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko:  me too, really
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08:27 < Frood> mareklug: there's nothing stopping him from converting :P
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08:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I am watching it live through simulation
08:28 < mareklug> he sure did that fast
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08:31 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish : Hi
08:31 < BarkingFish> hi
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08:32 < Qcoder02> PM please
08:32 < mareklug> "it has to be the greatest day in the history of British tennis".  that's how you commentate when you don't win grand slams
08:33 < BarkingFish> nrn, Qcoder02 - busy trying to stop an article getting nuked
08:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug for the british it may still be the greatest
08:33 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: OK
08:33 < Qcoder02> Which email address are you on at present?
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08:35 < BarkingFish> slight change of plan, Qcoder02 - use my private address, not the public one I gave you last time
08:35 < Qcoder02> i don't have the private one :(
08:35 < BarkingFish> you do now
08:35 < Theopolisme> hehe
08:35 < Frood> I don't understand this weather.
08:35 < Frood> Two days ago it was 98
08:36 < Frood> well, 85 at this time
08:36 < Frood> but right now it's 66
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08:37 < mareklug> frood you should be ecstatic.  it's 10 degrees hotter in Chicago
08:37 < Frood> mareklug: you're in Chicago?
08:37 < mareklug> yes
08:37 < Frood> :O
08:41 < Theopolisme> 86 in memphis
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08:49 < Theopolisme> Do you guys have any idea why the main page had such a spike in traffic recently? http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Main%20Page
08:50 < Theopolisme> Electric_Catfish: also, how did dan respond to the email ????
08:51 < Theopolisme> Oopsies!
08:51 < Theopolisme> Wrong IRC
08:51 < Theopolisme> <blush>
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08:57 < Frood> [[User:Adamin123]] is this appropriate?
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08:58 < Frood> at first glance it looks like "admin", but it's not
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08:58 < BarkingFish> ok, i'm gonna skip off for a bit. we have the mother of all thunderstorms overhead, very heavy thunder and lightning, and I ain't risking any of my kit. See ya in a while, or when this passes over, whichever comes sooner
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09:01 < mareklug> frood i think we don't police for dyslexia.  it could be innocent Adam in 123
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09:02 < foks> "Adamin" is also a name, iirc
09:02 < foks> It sounds Russian
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09:02 < Frood> oh
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09:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks it sounds arabic to me
09:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> an arabic russian maybe?
09:05 < mareklug> i found some Turkish content with that string
09:05 < mareklug> but no Russian
09:06 < foks> oh.
09:06 < mareklug> there's also this: http://www.amazon.com/Adamin-Rise-Dark-Series-ebook/dp/B008C4B64U
09:06 < foks> my bad
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09:26 < mareklug> American woman is currently first in snatch (75+ kg)
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09:28 < TeeTylerToe> I jinxed federer
09:30 < mareklug> i think Del Potro tiring him out in the semis had more to do with it
09:30 < mareklug> that long third set
09:30 < foks> He had a whole day to recover.
09:30 < foks> :P
09:31 < foks> Federer should really be used to having to recover quickly from long games.
09:31 < mareklug> indeed.  usually he hs two
09:31 < Peter-C> Weird question: When I fix an article from being a redirect to being a real article, can I count it as "creating" the article?
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09:31 < foks> What, for the Four Award thing>?
09:31 < foks> Or for DYK?
09:32 < Qcoder02> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/youtube/feedback--suggestions/Wd5VxNC9po8
09:32 < Peter-C> Personally on a "articles I created page"
09:32 < Peter-C> And DYK too I guess
09:32 < foks> Then yeah, I think it would count
09:32 < ragesoss> Peter-C: yes.
09:32 < mareklug> Peter-C:  technically, it won't be in the list of articles you create
09:33 < ragesoss> especially because now your edits are at the beginning of the history.
09:33 < ragesoss> there's no denying that you created it.
09:33 < mareklug> from the point of view of the tool server tool
09:33 < Peter-C> :3
09:33 < Qcoder02> Afternoon
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09:47 < yutsi> marklug: I'm not a Hindu. I'm a Humanist who grew up Catholic and is primarily involved in the youth group at my church; I go to mass to humor my mom.
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09:48 < mareklug> i was quoting what you said during the beef eating discussion, yutsi
09:48 < yutsi> You're thinking of someone else
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09:49 < yutsi> I love eating dead cows. In fact, I'm grilling up hamburgers tonight. 0_0
09:49 < mareklug> now i am going to search my history
09:49 < yutsi> lol
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09:51 < mareklug> it does not go that far, and i keep no logs
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09:54 < Chip123456> If any willing admins could take a look at the [[WP:RPP]] backlog, it would be appreciates ;)
09:55 < Chip123456> *appreciated
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10:14 < Justin_Bieber> Aw hell no: http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/08/05/163239/meat-the-food-of-the-future
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10:15 < Topher385> Not a fan of eating bugs?
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10:16 < petan|wk> hey addshore :D
10:16 < addshore> evening :)
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10:20 < Peter-C> WHOO!
10:20 < Peter-C> My doctor says I'm the illest!
10:20 < Peter-C> That's good, right?
10:21 < TeeTylerToe> you be illin like a villain?
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10:22 < mysterytrey> Did he prescibe you a daily dose of Wikipedia?
10:24 < Peter-C> totes
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10:26 < yutsi> Anyone here in Hawaiian, Alaskan, or Atlantic time zones? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Highly_Active_Users/North_America
10:26 < foks> Whoa, people still use HAU?
10:26 < yutsi> i just listed myself -.-
10:27 < yutsi> I saw it on a Wikipedia ad on my userpage
10:27 < mysterytrey> Hmmm... yutsi, what clent do you use?
10:28 < mysterytrey> Nevermind, I'll just do a version check.
10:28 < yutsi> for IRC? HexChat
10:28 < yutsi> It's a fork of XChat
10:28 < mysterytrey> I did it anyway.  Just to annoy you. :P
10:28 < yutsi> lol
10:28 < yutsi> IMMA BEING HAX0RED
10:28 < mysterytrey> Ooh.  Windows 7.
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10:29 < mysterytrey> When fox joins again, I'm to to version check him.
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10:29 < yutsi> how'd you see my OS?
10:29 < mysterytrey> It told me.
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10:29 < yutsi> it didn't tell me yours
10:29 < mysterytrey> Haha.
10:29 < mysterytrey> Received CTCP-VERSION answer from yutsi: HexChat 2.9.1 [x64] / Windows 7 [2.19GHz]
10:30 < yutsi> I think my processor has more GHz than that...
10:30 < mysterytrey> Must be that your client wants to also put your OS on there too.
10:30 < yutsi> VERSION Quassel IRC v0.8.0 (dist-5988f4c) (built on Mar 21 2012 17:23:50) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org
10:30 < mysterytrey> Haha.
10:30 < mysterytrey> I'm gonna go ping half the channel.
10:31 < yutsi> Oh, I have a 2.20GHz i7
10:31 < mysterytrey> Very small difference.
10:31 < yutsi> didnt do anything
10:32 < yutsi> lol i fingered you
10:33 < yutsi> 0.0
10:33 < mysterytrey> What?
10:34 < mysterytrey> Cool you.  No lag.
10:35 < yutsi> Ping reply from mysterytrey: 2289.72 second(s)
10:35 < mysterytrey> That did nothing new.  You just pinged me thrice.
10:35 < mysterytrey> Seriously.
10:35 < mysterytrey> ???
10:35 < mysterytrey> I pinged myself... 3 seconds round trip.
10:36 < yutsi> Wow, you're lagging
10:36 < mysterytrey> IKR?
10:36 < yutsi> I think your CTCP replies are glitched; it keeps on saying 2000 and something seconds
10:36 < mysterytrey> Wait, ctcp-finger?
10:36 < yutsi> finger didn't work on you
10:36 < mysterytrey> Ahh cool.
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10:39 < mysterytrey> Go Quassel!
10:41 < Apheori> I love how everything I have anywhere gets logged out of wikimedia projects when I log out with one.
10:41 < Apheori> It's so much fun to have to re-log in with everything.
10:42 < Apheori> Especially when I didn't mean to log out at all.
10:42 < mareklug> that also happens if you log in somewhere say in another browser
10:42 < Krenair> I hate having to sign in individually to each project
10:43 < Brooke> mareklug: No it doesn't.
10:43 < mysterytrey> Isn't there something in preferences that auto-logs you in on each project?
10:43 < Apheori> mareklug: No it doesn't.
10:43 < mareklug> it happens to me, Brooke.  not always.
10:43 < Krenair> mareklug: No it doesn't.
10:43 < mysterytrey> Brooke: It does for me.
10:44 < mysterytrey> Alpheori: It does for me.
10:44 < Brooke> mysterytrey, mareklug: Sounds like something is broken on your end, then.
10:44 < mysterytrey> Krenair: It does for me.
10:44 < Brooke> When you log in with a different browser, it shouldn't affect your current session in another browser.
10:44 < Brooke> Now, if you log out, it will invalidate your session everywhere.
10:44 < Apheori> Which is irritating.
10:44 < Brooke> That's a feature, not a bug, allegedly.
10:44 < mareklug> Brooke I highly doubt it.  for instance, i can log in in iPod touch safari and find myself logged out next on the iMac opera
10:45 < mysterytrey> It's probably Opera.  I can't do anything Wikipedia-wise in Opera if I also have Safari open.
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10:45 < Apheori> How is that a feature? I appreciate that it's intentional, but why?
10:45 < Apheori> I often use both opera and safari at the same time.
10:45 < Brooke> Apheori: So that you don't have uncontrolled sessions, I guess.
10:45 < Brooke> Opera is the worst.
10:45 < mysterytrey> Brooke: Lies!
10:45 < EmoPanda> ragesoss: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WPSignpost.apk is an alpha. Needs one more feature (archives) before I can call it beta :)
10:45 < Apheori> So why not just have a thing specifically to log out of all?
10:46 < mysterytrey> Opera is awesome.
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10:46 < YuviPanda> ragesoss: and source at https://github.com/yuvipanda/WPSignpost
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10:49 < mareklug> in men's team foil the American wounded the German so much so he had to be helped off and substituted for
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10:52  * addshore is worried
10:55 < TB|Away> o.O
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11:00 < IRWolfie-> raining really heavy here
11:00 < Jeske_Merensky> Guess he still remembers WW2
11:00 < IRWolfie-> There's something nice about being inside when it's raining heavily
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11:05 < TB|Away> Such a small split.
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11:11 < IRWolfie-> TB|Away: but from their perspective, a giant split :)
11:11 < mysterytrey> ItzExor: flail:  When you netsplited, how many users did you see in the channel?
11:11 < TB|Away> Yeah that's true.
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11:47 < mareklug> 100 m semi with asafa powell and justin ratlin, ratlin wins in 9.82
11:47 < mareklug> gatlin
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11:50 < IRWolfie-> WilliamH_UK: you around?
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11:50 < froodonwheels> Hello.
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11:51 < Iamthemuffinman> I want all of my contributions nuked and my userspaces deleted please
11:51 < froodonwheels> Not gonna happen.
11:51 < WilliamH_UK> yes I am here
11:51 < IRWolfie-> WilliamH_UK: ok if I pm?
11:51 < WilliamH_UK> yep
11:51 < PeterSymonds> Do you know the Muffin Man?
11:51 < Iamthemuffinman> I want all of my contributions nuked and my userspaces deleted please
11:52 < froodonwheels> All your edits are irrevocably under a creative commons license.
11:52 < WilliamH_UK> which agreed to each time you hit "save page"
11:52 < WilliamH_UK> +you
11:52 < froodonwheels> You can have user space deleted
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11:52 < froodonwheels> No more.
11:52 < WilliamH_UK> what is your username
11:52 < Iamthemuffinman> iamthemuffinman
11:53 < froodonwheels> AmA
11:53 < Mdann52> ! Link
11:53 < Mdann52> !link,ail
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11:54 < froodonwheels> [[User:iamthemuffinman]]
11:54 < seiyuuEva> hii
11:54 < Mdann52> !link
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11:54 < froodonwheels> Hello
11:54 < seiyuuEva> how r u
11:54 < seiyuuEva> :)
11:54 < Mdann52> It didn't work in here :(
11:54 < froodonwheels> Wonderful.
11:55 < seiyuuEva> cool
11:55 < seiyuuEva> ;)
11:55 < Fluffernutter> we don't allow talking bots in here, Mdann52
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11:55 < Iamthemuffinman> the community has refused me the right to be a constructive and good editor as I have been, so I want all of my contributions nuked and my userspaces deleted please
11:55 < mareklug> bolt only won in 9.87
11:55 < froodonwheels> That legally cannot happen.
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11:55 < seiyuuEva> hmm
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11:56 < Mdann52> I'm not a bot though
11:56 < froodonwheels> The license is irrevocable.
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11:57 < Jasper_Deng> Iamthemuffinman: your block is temporary
11:57 < Jasper_Deng> wait it out
11:57 < Iamthemuffinman> no
11:57 < Iamthemuffinman> I don't see why I should
11:57 < Iamthemuffinman> and I'm not going to skirt around it either
11:58 < Mdann52> Flutternutter, oh, you mean helpme don't you
11:58 < Fluffernutter> Mdann52, I mean any bot that would respond to you when you said "!link"
11:58 < Mdann52> Ash, ok
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11:59 < Iamthemuffinman> Not interested in waiting it out. If I cannot edit now then I have no intention of editing in the future
11:59 < Jarry1250> froodonwheels: It's not illegal to remove it, it's just legal to keep it.
11:59 < Fluffernutter> Iamthemuffinman, that's fine, you're perfectly allowed to walk away from Wikipedia. However, you can't take your contributions with you.
11:59 < Jarry1250> It's the community's choice whether or not to honour Iamthemuffinman's request to revert his edits.
12:00 < Iamthemuffinman> I made those edits for the good of the community and wikipedia. Now the community and wikipedia has made it perfectly clear that they do not want me as a part of it, I am struggling to find a reason why I should allow my edits to remain on it
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12:01 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: the block is only for a period of one week, and is with the hope that you do come back after the week
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12:01 < Iamthemuffinman> bollocks
12:01 < Iamthemuffinman> You don't want me back
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12:02 < Iamthemuffinman> you declined two reasonable unblock requests
12:02 < Iamthemuffinman> despite me having a record of living up to my word
12:02 < Jarry1250> Iamthemuffinman: It's not your call whether "your" contribution are kept or not. Requests to remove content work better if you just ask.
12:02 < Iamthemuffinman> and I have asked
12:03 < Jarry1250> *here* is not a good place to ask, tbh
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12:03 < Jarry1250> In fact, you'd do better to wait out your block, then revert yourself.
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12:05 < Iamthemuffinman> There was absolutely no reason for my talkpage rights to be revoked either
12:05 < Iamthemuffinman> none whatsoever
12:05 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: Boing was doing you a favour by doing it
12:05 < Iamthemuffinman> my ass it was a favour
12:05 < Iamthemuffinman> I want at the very, very least to be able to post on my talkpage
12:06 < Jasper_Deng> Iamthemuffinman: you must agree that things like your comment ("HAHAHAHAHA I COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING A MILE AWAY. ") won't recur
12:06 < Jasper_Deng> otherwise I don't see why an admin should reallow talk page access
12:07 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: think on it for a few days, let things cool down
12:07 < Iamthemuffinman> Absolutely not
12:07 < Iamthemuffinman> I will not be thinking on it
12:07 < PeterSymonds> Then don't.
12:08 < Jasper_Deng> Wikipedia isn't for everyone
12:08 < Iamthemuffinman> Jasper I fully agree to that, I have no intention of disrupting wikipedia
12:08 < Jasper_Deng> Unfortunately sometimes even if you don't intend to disrupt, you do - I've learned that myself multiple times.
12:08 < Jasper_Deng> You just have to sit on your hands, sometimes.
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12:09 < Iamthemuffinman> I just find it completely unfair that an admin is allowed to gravedance me and get away with it
12:09 < Jasper_Deng> Admins are human
12:09 < Jasper_Deng> WP:AGF is a fundamental principle - admins were once normal editors too
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12:10 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: His response is not what I would have done, but it was obvious when you posted that it was going to boomerang
12:11 < Iamthemuffinman> because of course I can see the future but it was a good faith complaint
12:11 < Jasper_Deng> any good faith comments didn't need all-caps
12:11 < Jasper_Deng> which to us appears as shouting
12:12 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: you posted on his page with "Such a shame you feel the need to remove valid tags.", when he responded in detail you replied with "whatever", "Thankfully I can easily disregard your opinion for something more worthy of my time", and you reverted his edits on your page calling him a fucknuckle,
12:13 < Iamthemuffinman> and for that I apologised
12:13 < Iamthemuffinman> unreservedly in the unblock request
12:13 < PeterSymonds> That makes it okay then.
12:13 < Jasper_Deng> an apology is good
12:13 < Jasper_Deng> but not enough
12:13 < Iamthemuffinman> of course it doesn't make it ok
12:14 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: you were blocked just three days previously for a separate serious personal attack
12:14 < Iamthemuffinman> it doesn't take away from the fact that the comment I made was totally unnacceptable
12:14 < Jasper_Deng> Civility is 1 of 5 Wikipedia pillars
12:14 < Iamthemuffinman> 24 hours actually but that was to do with an ongoing dispute
12:14 < Jasper_Deng> so we take these things more seriously than most other sites
12:14 < IRWolfie-> Iamthemuffinman: editors don't engage in personal attacks no matter if there is a dispute
12:15 < Jasper_Deng> Two wrongs do not a right make
12:15 < IRWolfie-> even if someone throws personal attacks at you, just shrug them off
12:15 < Jasper_Deng> If you fire back it only gives fodder to the other side
12:16 < IRWolfie-> Andy also got blocked for responding to your own personal attacks; personal attacks are never justified
12:16 < IRWolfie-> *responding with his own that is
12:17 < Jasper_Deng> If you don't fire back, you show whomever is doing it that they are not worthy of your time
12:17 < Jasper_Deng> hence discouraging further attacks
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12:17 < Iamthemuffinman> I did that, many times with him
12:17 < IRWolfie-> can an admin have a look here, an ip is posting a large list of w hich is a potential BLP violation: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cold_fusion&curid=363032&diff=505935418&oldid=505921615
12:18 < Jasper_Deng> Personal attacks
12:18 < Jasper_Deng> BLP takes precedence over talk page guidelines
12:18 < Jasper_Deng> Iamthemuffinman: no you didn't, you made your own personal attacks, even if not directly at Andy
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12:20 < Iamthemuffinman> actually yes I did.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance/archive120#AndyTheGrump.27s_accusations have a look at some of his comments towards me on this wikiquette alert
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12:20 < Jasper_Deng> but nothing justifies your own attacks
12:21 < The_Thing> Why are they calling the Mars rover landing the 7 minutes of terror?
12:21 < The_Thing> It isn't 7 minutes
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12:21 < The_Thing> It's more like 21 minutes
12:22 < mareklug> i guess they ain't scared of the other 14
12:22 < The_Thing> Because from the actual start of the entry, to when they get the signal that it's landed, is actually 21 minutes and shit... so it REALLY should be the 21 minutes of terror :p
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12:24 < jc39> hello - though I know one of them personally, and have convinced them to stop, can you block both of them anyway? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Belle_Grove&action=history 16RR is over the top.
12:25 < IRWolfie-> I've brought it to ANI
12:25 < jc39> oh, it seems James has done it already.
12:25 < jc39> Thanks.
12:25 < Iamthemuffinman> 16RR?
12:25 < IRWolfie-> err different incident I'm referring to jc39
12:25 < Iamthemuffinman> how bloody fast are they clicking?
12:25 < jc39> very, obviously
12:25 < JasonDC> Can someone assist in this edit war...
12:26 < Jasper_Deng> I think the blocks should be straight-up 48 hours for that
12:26 < JasonDC> assist as in stop it...
12:26 < jc39> both blocked by JamesBWatson already...
12:26 < jc39> (I know Phan Ni Mai)
12:26 < JasonDC> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Marshal&action=history
12:26 < jc39> they're a nice but...persistent...person.
12:27 < jc39> Happy edit war day, y'all! :p
12:27 < jc39> Jasper_Deng: I want to know how calling someone a 'copycat' is a severe personal attack.
12:27 < jc39> Since it isn't.
12:27 < Jasper_Deng> jc39: it's not
12:28 < Jasper_Deng> but it's obviously not helping, right?
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12:28 < jc39> guess so
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12:28 < Iamthemuffinman> anything is a severe personal attack these days
12:28 < jc39> I'm still lol'ing at that edit war
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12:29  * The_Thing spouts a severe personal attack.
12:29 < The_Thing> In Japanese.
12:29 < The_Thing> BAKAYARO!!
12:29 < jc39> Bakuroyokoyama isn't profane...
12:29 < Jasper_Deng> more than half of both editors' edits are engagement in that edit war....
12:29 < jc39> o
12:29 < JasonDC> Mep; thanks but it seems someone dosnt speak Eng.
12:30 < jc39> interesting thing: both editors have 10 edits to articles and become inactive
12:30 < Iamthemuffinman> the standard 3rr block is 24 hours, considering this is a 16rr edit war works out at a 120 hour block each as 3/16 = 5 3rrs
12:30 < jc39> but for Madifrop, they made one edit a few hours ago
12:31 < jc39> "copycat" might explain it, as Phan registered before frop.
12:31 < jc39> idc
12:31 < Jasper_Deng> 128 hours, actually
12:31 < Jasper_Deng> but the length usually is not exactly proportional
12:31 < Jasper_Deng> to reverts
12:31 < Iamthemuffinman> discount them the 8 because I haven't laughed this hard for a while
12:32 < jc39> hm, I'm going to email Phan again
12:33 < jc39> and ask about who Madi is.
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12:33 < Iamthemuffinman> You need to see just what they were edit warring over. When you see how frivolous it is,...
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14:11 < jc37> Phan has told me he was messing around "immaturely"
14:11 < jc37> - plz block & tag, thanks
14:11 < jc37> (Phan Ni Mai and madifrop)
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14:13 < mareklug> USA at the end of the day 1 medal behind China, incl. 1 less gold.
14:14 < mareklug> 2 less golds actually
14:16 < foks> *fewer
14:16  * foks smites mareklug
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14:16 < mareklug> fewer
14:16 < IRWolfie-> sounds like my SPI hunch was right :D
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14:18 < mareklug> foks with all the alleged newfangled mac memory and app termination management, I still have to quit out of web browsers, particularly safari 6, every so often, to release bloat
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14:21 < foks> mareklug, I don't use Safari at all, so
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14:25 < Ironholds> morning, Steven_Zhang
14:26 < Ironholds> crap, that reminds me. Flying in 48 hours. should put wash on.
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14:26 < Steven_Zhang> Howdy
14:26 < SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Hi
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14:27 < IRWolfie-> o/
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14:32 < kaen> that feeling when you run out of coffins.
14:33 < kaen> oh wow wrong channel sorry
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14:34 < Steven_Zhang> Yo
14:34 < Theopolisme> Yoyo
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14:36 < SigmaWP> Does anyone here have a launchpad account
14:36 < Isarra> Sunlight really burns this time of year.
14:39 < JasonDC> SigmaWP, i think i have one
14:40 < SigmaWP> JasonDC: Can you log in and tell me the email for https://launchpad.net/~ct-gocept
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14:44 < Ironholds> Isarra: indubitably
14:44 < Isarra> Ironholds: Vampire.
14:44 < Ironholds> that I am
14:44 < Ironholds> I'm allergic to sunlight; sunlight and polystyrene
14:45 < JasonDC> SigmaWP, it appears i dont have one, sorry
14:45 < SigmaWP> Aww
14:45 < SigmaWP> Oh
14:45 < SigmaWP> Wow, that was easy
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14:49 < IRWolfie-> Steven_Zhang: wanted to ask you about the DR survey
14:49 < TBloemink> Lol @ Nitro circus
14:49 < Steven_Zhang> Sure.
14:49 < TBloemink> They just jumped off the Palms in LV
14:50 < IRWolfie-> Steven_Zhang: in the survey, people were able to rate their experience with a form of DR even if they hadn't participated before?
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14:50 < Steven_Zhang> It was an optional question.
14:51 < Steven_Zhang> The percentages were adjusted accordingly
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14:51 < Ironholds> IRWolfie-: also, more importantly, people were only invited to participate in the survey if they had participated in DR :)
14:53 < Steven_Zhang> Ja
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14:54 < IRWolfie-> Ironholds: yes but I mean the survey allowed people to say if they had been involved before or not, but were people who had rated a board but who had never participated discounted?
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14:55 < Steven_Zhang> No.
14:55 < Ironholds> in that board? no
14:56 < Steven_Zhang> It's their perception that counts too.
14:56 < Ironholds> agreed
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14:56 < Ironholds> if people think [venue] sucks, participating or not, they will not go there, and that board is a waste of time
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14:56 < IRWolfie-> ok I was wondering about that
14:56 < Steven_Zhang> How effective you feel X is at resolving disputed
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14:56 < Steven_Zhang> Indeed. ^
14:57 < Steven_Zhang> It seems that everyone except one guy think WQA sucks
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14:57 < Steven_Zhang> But that one guy will fight tooth and nail to keep it open.
14:57 < IRWolfie-> Steven_Zhang: a few others agree too
14:57 < Steven_Zhang> That WQA is good or that WQa sucks?
14:58 < IRWolfie-> That WQA should stay open
14:58 < TBloemink> They're jumping from Palms hotel rooms now.
14:58 < Fluffernutter> WQA should be nuked from orbit
14:58 < Steven_Zhang> IRWolfie-: Why?
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14:58 < Steven_Zhang> What does it actually achieve.
14:59 < IRWolfie-> sometimes issues get resolved, people get to air their grievances
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14:59 < IRWolfie-> It's more effective when it's newbie editors
14:59 < Fluffernutter> i have literally never come across a case where people left WQA satisfied and feeling like the interpersonal dispute was settled.
14:59 < Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: I would consider WQA outside your remit.
15:00 < IRWolfie-> when there's a reasonable chance to resolve something, sometimes sections go stale
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15:00 < Ironholds> it's nothing to do with content dispute resolution, it's user conduct
15:00 < Steven_Zhang> Ironholds: Its DR, innit?
15:00 < Ironholds> if you want to take that on you are welcome to
15:00 < Ironholds> but it will lead to people asking a question
15:00 < Ironholds> y'know what that question is?
15:00 < Ironholds> "when are you reforming arbcom, mister user conduct?"
15:00 < Steven_Zhang> Lol
15:01 < Steven_Zhang> That was already asked.
15:01 < Ironholds> well then clearly the BEST thing to do is make it a valid question again
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15:01 < yutsi> Peter-C: Did you create another article yet?
15:01 < Peter-C> Working on it, brb
15:01 < IRWolfie-> if you read through some of the WQA threads, they usaully are ok
15:02 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: to be fair, I've never seen anyone leave ANI or arbcom feeling that way either
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15:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> ..
15:02 < Ironholds> although arbcom at least bans them and so stops them complaining that they feel unsatisfied
15:02 < IRWolfie-> sometimes people forget they are on WQA not ANI
15:02 < Fluffernutter> Ironholds: the solution is clear: bans for everyone!
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15:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> When they play the national anthem for GBR, do they princes say "God save my granny"?
15:02 < Ironholds> WhiskerBiscuit: no. the queen has no relatives.
15:02 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: hah
15:03 < WhiskerBiscuit> Ironholds: the position of queen doesnt?
15:03 < Ironholds> there are 3 queens of the united kingdom. 1 is a kind old lady called liz. she has grandchildren. one is, y'know, the personnification of the crown. she has songs sung about her. One is the personnification-of-the-crown-in-Parliament.
15:03 < WhiskerBiscuit> so 2 and 3 arent the smae?
15:04 < Ironholds> she mostly tends to sign things
15:04 < Ironholds> it depends who you ask ;p
15:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> Who is the one that says "We are not amused"
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15:04 < Steven_Zhang> Arbcom is outside my remit :p
15:04 < Ironholds> none of them
15:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> I like that one
15:04 < Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: why? you're getting involved in user conduct. arbcom is user conduct.
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15:05 < SigmaWP> window.location.href = document.getElementById("pt-logout").firstChild.href;
15:05 < IRWolfie-> Ironholds: she waves as well
15:05 < WhiskerBiscuit> sucks... going to be housebound for a week
15:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> and crutches for 2 weeks after
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15:08 < Steven_Zhang> Lol
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15:12 < WhiskerBiscuit> thats not funn
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15:15 < IRWolfie-> Fluffernutter: Is that from observation or what you have heard previously?
15:15 < IRWolfie-> in relation to WQA
15:16 < Fluffernutter> every time I've looked at it (and I will say here that I'm not a close watcher of it), it's been full of people taking potshots at each other and helpers going "well maybe if we all just take a DEEP BREATH" helplessly while rome burns around them
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15:18 < Fluffernutter> mostly because the whole point of WQA seems to be that it has no teeth, and if you try to give it teeth you're doing it wrong
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15:20 < IRWolfie-> if you give it teeth it just becomes ANI
15:20 < WhiskerBiscuit> what does that stand for?
15:20 < IRWolfie-> wikiquette assistance
15:20 < WhiskerBiscuit> ah
15:20 < Guerillero> it should be demolished
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15:20 < Guerillero> and there should be two entry level ways to deal with disputes
15:20 < Fluffernutter> if "stop being mean please" doesn't work on, say, an article or user talk, i'm not sure quite what makes people think "no, really, please stop being mean?" will workm on a noticeboard
15:20 < Guerillero> for conduct ANI and for content DRN
15:20 < Guerillero> then to formal mediation
15:20 < Guerillero> then to arbcom
15:20 < WhiskerBiscuit> I've never seen it before, but from looking at it, it looks just like ANI, a series of complaints
15:20 < Guerillero> ani can work well
15:20 < Guerillero> it is in the best state I have ever seen
15:21 < IRWolfie-> WhiskerBiscuit: yes, the idea is that people discuss issues related to civility only
15:21 < WhiskerBiscuit> all the lavendar?
15:21 < Guerillero> things are getting resolved
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15:21 < WhiskerBiscuit> anytime some posted something new it felt like someone was vandalizing the forum... who let this white stuff in
15:21 < IRWolfie-> Guerillero: some incidents are very minor, they shouldn't be at ANI. Sometimes no admin action is required, that shouldn't be at ANI either
15:22 < Guerillero> correct
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15:22 < Guerillero> but there is no good place with teeth that is less than ani
15:22 < SigmaWP> http://tnx.nl/php.html#names
15:22 < SigmaWP> I love this page
15:22 < Guerillero> DRN should not be a conduct area
15:23 < IRWolfie-> sometimes people just want someone validation, even if it can't be resolved
15:23 < WhiskerBiscuit> How is WQA different then going to helpdesk?
15:23 < WhiskerBiscuit> seems to me it should be a sub-space of helpdesk, specifciclly for civiilty issues
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15:24 < WhiskerBiscuit> Actually, the whole hierarchy of differnt boards isn't that clear
15:24 < Fluffernutter> helpdesk is for technical issues
15:24 < IRWolfie-> and how admins handle civility issues pretty much depends on who the editor being uncivil is
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15:24 < Fluffernutter> in the sense that "if you do this every weekend like clockwork we will give you less leeway," yes
15:25 < WhiskerBiscuit> Is there a diagram of the different help boards anywhere?
15:25 < IRWolfie-> Fluffernutter: not from what I've seen
15:25 < IRWolfie-> I've seen it argued that is just the way they are
15:25 < IRWolfie-> etc
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15:26 < BarkingFish> Earlier today, or possibly last night, someone mentioned a sockpuppet who has created usernames where they repeat themselves.  Anyone remember who it was? it was something to do with Israel...
15:26 < IRWolfie-> I've seen personal attacks result in blocks, sometimes no action
15:26 < Fluffernutter> that's generally by non-admin enablers, Ironholds. THough sometimes the enablers are, indeed, admins
15:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> BarkingFish: someone pulling the repeater?
15:26 < IRWolfie-> even when very similar in severity
15:26 < Fluffernutter> gah, IRWolfie-
15:26 < Fluffernutter> (sorry Ironholds_
15:26 < foks> irw v irh
15:26 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, yeah
15:26 < IRWolfie-> yes, there are enablers
15:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> some vandals amuse me
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15:27 < IRWolfie-> It seems to cause people to go into a kind of death spiral of worse behaviour
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15:27 < WhiskerBiscuit> theyfind some pretty creative ways to disrupt
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15:29 < Theo|dinner> Seahorse, how is it in the sea?
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15:29 < seiyuuEva> lol
15:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> Theo, how was dinner?
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15:30 < Theopolisme> WhiskerBiscuit, how were the biscuits would be a better question, would it not?
15:31 < WhiskerBiscuit> Theopolisme: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whisker%20biscuit
15:31 < WhiskerBiscuit> u tell me :D
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15:33 < Theopolisme> Ah, classy. Real classy/
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15:34 < Theopolisme> Ah, classy. Real classy
15:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> I heard you the first time
15:34 < TeeTylerToe> maybe Biscuits of the whisker variety are an acquired taste
15:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> I just thouhgt it was a funny name
15:35 < Theopolisme> Sorry, client resent it as I disconnected
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15:35 < Theopolisme> WhiskerBiscuit: Right.
15:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> and couldnt really be offensive
15:35 < Theopolisme> mm
15:36 < WhiskerBiscuit> Well, judge not. most people think it is flour below the nose like you
15:36 < Theopolisme> Ahahaha
15:36 < Theopolisme> We're nice and pure
15:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> Reminded of me when people were running a petition to "end women's suffrage"
15:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> when people had no idea what suffrage meant, so they signed it
15:37 < Theopolisme> <and more power to them>
15:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> its more fun to go through life if you are easily amused
15:38 < Theopolisme> Who might you be _on-wiki_?
15:38 < SigmaWP> Does any patrolling admin want to protect https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atlantic_Records&action=history
15:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> Fasttimes68
15:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> i would change it here, but I idle on diff freenodes
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15:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> and dont want to mix and match
15:38 < Theopolisme> Mhm
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15:39 < WhiskerBiscuit> I figured out how to log in twice once, but I had to restore my machine and lost it again
15:39 < Theopolisme> Whoopsies
15:40 < WhiskerBiscuit> speaking of which... this is a mess
15:40 < WhiskerBiscuit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Show
15:40 < Theopolisme> Agh
15:40 < WhiskerBiscuit> notable segments, famous juggy girls?
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15:41 < Theopolisme> lulz
15:41 < seiyuuEva> O.o
15:41 < WhiskerBiscuit> I'd hate to remvoe the notable segment section, but....
15:42 < WhiskerBiscuit> tea...
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15:42 < WhiskerBiscuit> ty
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15:43 < Theopolisme> Mhm
15:43 < Theopolisme> Welcome
15:43 < WhiskerBiscuit> Did you Irish it?
15:43 < WhiskerBiscuit> :D
15:44 < SigmaWP> GorillaWarfare: I read your name as CoalballWarfare for a second
15:44 < Theopolisme> Ahaha
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15:45  * Isarra throws a pony at SigmaWP.
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15:45  * Theopolisme intersects the pony just to be annoying
15:45 < WhiskerBiscuit> Ok... look at this article  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_and_Chandra_Costello
15:46 < WhiskerBiscuit> Even if this were one person, articles arent supposed to be a list of their works?
15:47 < Theopolisme> Ah, they can include lists
15:47 < Theopolisme> Nothin' wrong with that
15:47 < WhiskerBiscuit> its all list
15:47 < WhiskerBiscuit> and it also has a filmography... yet its two people.  Are we to assume that both of these people are in all of those films?
15:48 < Peter-C> yutsi - yo
15:48 < yutsi> hi
15:48 < yutsi> I'm bored, so I'm browsing 4chan boards.
15:49 < Peter-C> ಠ_ಠ
15:49 < WhiskerBiscuit> need food
15:49 < Theopolisme> Peter-C: Strong Support
15:49 < WhiskerBiscuit> Theopolisme: thx for the darjeeling
15:52 < Theopolisme> Anytime
15:52 < Theopolisme> And yes, I did look that up
15:53 < Theopolisme> And I am not surprised. Not at all.
15:53 < WhiskerBiscuit> surprised at what?
15:54 < SigmaWP> yutsi: http://tnx.nl/php.html
15:54 < yutsi> what about it?
15:54 < SigmaWP> Read that instead of 4chan :)
15:55 < Theopolisme> Hmm.... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Darjeeling%20standpipe Ahem WhiskerBiscuit
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15:55 < WhiskerBiscuit> lol... I had no idea that exist
15:55 < WhiskerBiscuit> existed... honest!
15:55 < yutsi> lol
15:56 < WhiskerBiscuit> Americans would never even think of using a teapot as a sex toy
15:56 < yutsi> fakku.net is also one of my favorite timewasters (NSFW). but thanks SigmaWP, it's very interesting
15:56 < SigmaWP> Duly noted, and no problem
15:56 < yutsi> lol
15:57 < WhiskerBiscuit> henatia (sp?) disturbs me
15:57 < yutsi> Peter-C: Hurry up. What article are you working on?
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15:58 < WhiskerBiscuit> and does japanese porn blur eveything out?
15:58 < BarkingFish> Oh my god.  A guy just posted this on reddit - I'd have a field day with this as a medic, so would you Peter-C - as the caption says: "I heard a unpleasant sound while playing on my computer. Upon opening my door, I saw this: " http://imgur.com/k84pT
15:59 < Theopolisme> Must dash, sorry
15:59 < WhiskerBiscuit> later tater
15:59 < Theopolisme> Bye!
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15:59 < WhiskerBiscuit> lol BarkingFish
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15:59 < WhiskerBiscuit> all, gotta go bathe or the wife wont feed me
15:59 < yutsi> WhiskerBiscuit: I believe Japanese obscenity laws forbid making porn without blurring.
16:00 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, In most cases, Japanese porn does blot stuff out - Hentai, Loli and Shota especially
16:00 < yutsi> loli is gross.
16:00 < WhiskerBiscuit> how is it diff?
16:00 < BarkingFish> Some people (like myself) get requested to "unblur" stuff, which we're only quite happy to do.
16:00 < yutsi> It's little kids
16:00 < WhiskerBiscuit> fantastic
16:00 < yutsi> but animated of course
16:00 < yutsi> lol
16:00 < WhiskerBiscuit> I just searched
16:00 < ItzExor> haha you searched loli?
16:00 < WhiskerBiscuit> shota = shit
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16:01 < WhiskerBiscuit> Is lolii actually a japanese term?  Or is that a disambig from lolita
16:01 < BarkingFish> yutsi, it's not just little kids - I don't work that side. I do High School side, and straight Hentai
16:01 < WhiskerBiscuit> so, you "unblur" hentai?
16:02 < yutsi> WhiskerBiscuit: Check out the good stuff: http://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=19390
16:02 < ItzExor> it's a shortened form of lolita
16:02 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, it's a corruption: Lolicon/Roricon is corrupted from Lolita complex
16:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> ah
16:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> make ssense
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16:02 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, yeah.  Anybody posts something they want cleaning up, just like I do in the WP graphics lab, I do it.
16:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> So bark, let mte get this straight.. people request stuff to be unblurred and there are people that do this?
16:02 < BarkingFish> yes
16:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> thats fucking awesome
16:02 < yutsi> BarkingFish: Do you like manga and anime? I never really got into maga
16:02 < WhiskerBiscuit> heh
16:02 < yutsi> *manga
16:03  * DJMalikBOT Accepted the bot
16:03 < yutsi> Now I know who to come to
16:03 < IRWolfie-> I've never really wanted to read comics
16:03 < IRWolfie-> too boring
16:03 < BarkingFish> yutsi, I'm into anime more.
16:03 < BarkingFish> Manga, not so much
16:04 < yutsi> BarkingFish: I have a 1.9 GB fap folder, ~50% of which is hentai. :)
16:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> What is Shota?
16:04 < BarkingFish> DJMalik, please take the bot out of the channel - we don't allow bots in here who speak
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16:04 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, Shota is the male equivalent of Lolicon
16:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> I remember when the first shock videos started making the rounds on the internet
16:04 < yutsi> BarkingFish: What is adult gay hentai then?
16:04 < Cassie> I wonder when Al Gore invented the internet, did he think it would just be used for porn?
16:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> one of them was entitled "The japanese are suck fucks"
16:04 < DJMalik> BarkingFish:Not a bot
16:04 < yutsi> WhiskerBiscuit: Yes they are
16:05 < TeeTylerToe> That doesn't sound like nearly enough wang for wikicommons yutsi
16:05 < yutsi> lol
16:05 < yutsi> I have almost no penii
16:05 < WhiskerBiscuit> this was worse than 2 girls 1 cup
16:05 < TeeTylerToe> naughty naughty
16:05 < yutsi> Anything round is good for me
16:05 < yutsi> LOL
16:05 < IShadowed__> ...
16:05 < IShadowed__> you're 10
16:05 < yutsi> omg
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16:05 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - lulwtf
16:06 < yutsi> I have newfound respect for BarkingFish as of today
16:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> my buddy taught English in Japan
16:06 < TeeTylerToe> friend of my brother's did.  Rural.  Didn't go well.
16:06 < foks> DJMalik, what is it if not a bot?
16:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> He said the japanse are walking contradictions
16:06 < BarkingFish> DJMalik, seems kind of odd then to call it DJMalikBOT
16:07 < IShadowed__> meoww
16:07 < ItzExor> haha reminds me of that video where the japanese chick is mispronouncing coke as cock
16:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> all right.. really outta here.  porn sidetracked me
16:07 < yutsi> my brother lived in Japan (on and off) for a while. He became fluent in Japanese within a few months
16:07 < TeeTylerToe> how are they a contradiction?
16:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> http://www.weirdasianews.com/2012/05/30/korean-teacher-hilariously-mispronounces-coke/
16:07 < WhiskerBiscuit> Korean...
16:07 < yutsi> Now I'm having the urge to go on fakku. MUST. EDIT. WIKIPEDIA.
16:07 < DJMalik> BarkingFish:I put it because I have no job
16:08 < ItzExor> WhiskerBiscuit the vid i saw said japanese
16:08 < WhiskerBiscuit> And nothing pisses a Korean off like being compared to the Japanese
16:08 < TeeTylerToe> you're a dj
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16:08 < ItzExor> i didn't exactly study the text to confirm
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16:09 < seiyuuEva> Hi
16:09 < DJMalik> Hello seiyuuEva
16:09 < TeeTylerToe> hi
16:09 < seiyuuEva> i <3 japan
16:09 < seiyuuEva> hi DJMalik
16:09 < yutsi> PLEASE GIVE ME COCK. I WANT A COCK
16:09 < yutsi> XD
16:10  * TeeTylerToe tosses yutsi some chick fil a
16:10 < WhiskerBiscuit> link
16:10 < BarkingFish> yeah, I remember that vid, yutsi
16:10 < yutsi> ROFL
16:10 < TeeTylerToe> you sly dog you
16:10 < BarkingFish> i think it's still on Youtube somewhere
16:10 < yutsi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuAXoSnp14M
16:10 < WhiskerBiscuit> hahaha
16:10 < WhiskerBiscuit> id give her some
16:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> shes kinda cute
16:11 < yutsi> wut? She's meh
16:11 < TeeTylerToe> keep your tea kettle to yourself!
16:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> heh
16:11 < yutsi> 2/10. Would not bang.
16:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> ugh..  YRC is going off the rails
16:11 < The_Blade> I think YRC's RfC set a new record for least amount of time before the histrionics started.
16:11 < WhiskerBiscuit> that boy needs a gf
16:12 < The_Blade> What he needs is a sense of perspective.
16:12 < seiyuuEva> XD
16:12 < yutsi> Who's YRC?
16:13 < The_Blade> yutsi; Youreallycan
16:13 < yutsi> i need a gf
16:13 < Fluffernutter> most wikipedians do
16:13 < WhiskerBiscuit> why is it that Asians have difficulty with prefix letters like "a"
16:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> Please give me coke, vs Please give me a coke
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16:14 < yutsi> i want teh cock
16:14 < yutsi> lol
16:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> not sure they have a problem with the defnite article
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16:15 < IRWolfie-> The_Blade: his approach the RFC seems self defeating
16:15 < foks> WhiskerBiscuit, they probably don't exist
16:15 < ItzExor> haha WhiskerBiscuit it has a whole different meaning too
16:15 < ItzExor> drug vs soda
16:16 < IRWolfie-> *his approach at the
16:16 < IRWolfie-> (if only irc had minor edits)
16:16 < foks> A lot of English-speakers learning Spanish/German/French forget to include the "la"/"el" etc too
16:16 < WhiskerBiscuit> His RFC is going to have the online equivilant of having him involunarily commited
16:16 < foks> since we don't use the articles generally
16:16 < foks> DJMalik, again, could you take the bot out of here?
16:17 < WhiskerBiscuit> foks: but in that video, she wrote out the sentance and intionally missed "a"
16:17 < WhiskerBiscuit> Give me Coke
16:17 < foks> Because "coke" is a liquid
16:17 < DJMalik> foks:I do not understand what you say
16:17 < WhiskerBiscuit> English is hard
16:17 < foks> And therefore shouldn't really have "a"
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16:17 < WhiskerBiscuit> Foks wants the cock
16:17 < WhiskerBiscuit> :D
16:17 < Lubaf> Superman: Fuck yeah! Comin' to save the motherfucking day yeah!
16:17 < foks> "Coke" is short for "a can of cola" right?
16:17 < BarkingFish> DJMalik, you understand perfectly.  You did when I told you earlier.
16:17 < ItzExor> no
16:18 < ItzExor> coke is short for coca cola
16:18 < foks> DJMalik, please take DJMalikBOT out of here. :)
16:18 < Lubaf> No, coke is short for cocaine.
16:18 < WhiskerBiscuit> or maybe she wants to do some blow
16:18 < BarkingFish> I asked you to remove DJMalikBOT from the channel, and you said "It's not a bot"
16:18 < Lubaf> (She don't mind she don't mind she don't mind)
16:18 < WhiskerBiscuit> she bang she bang
16:20 < BarkingFish> you understood me fine, dude - don't play the fool. It doesn't work in here.
16:20 < DJMalik> foks: That is not a Bot
16:20 < foks> WhiskerBiscuit, "A Coke" is colloquial English
16:20 < foks> DJMalik, then what is it?
16:20 < foks> Please do let me know.
16:20 < Lubaf> foks: A script.
16:20 < Lubaf> It's a script, not a bot.
16:20 < DJMalik> foks: a client no more
16:20 < ItzExor> some bots are scripts...
16:20 < foks> What is a "script" in this context then?
16:20 < yutsi> are we still talking about cock?
16:20 < Lubaf> foks: The same thing as a bot.
16:20 < foks> ...
16:20 < ItzExor> haha
16:20 < Lubaf> yutsi: No, we're talking about coke.
16:20 < yutsi> lol
16:20 < foks> DJMalik, if it's not a bot, then why is it called "BOT"?
16:20 < foks> That seems rather silly.
16:20 < ItzExor> it's dj malik's bag of tricks
16:20 < ItzExor> lol
16:21 < yutsi> Let's mediate this guys. Oh wait, that's working. ARBCOM THAT BOT'S ASS
16:21 < Lubaf> foks: More seriously, it could be the shell of a bot, but not actually a bot.
16:21 < yutsi> *that's not
16:21 < DJMalik> foks: I use it as a bot because I like that nickname
16:21 < foks> DJMalik, so long as you realise that bots aren't permitted in this channel.
16:21 < Fluffernutter> DJMalik: you'd get fewer weird questions if you just renamed it to something that didn';t sound like it was a bot
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16:23 < Lubaf> Try DJMalikNotABot
16:23 < Lubaf> Or DJMalikIsARobot
16:23 < seiyuuEva> lol
16:23 < DJMalik> foks: and because it allowed
16:23 < foks> Bots aren't allowed, no.
16:24 < ItzExor> haha you want to know why people don't a? because listen to this definition it prolly confuses the hell out of them
16:24 < ItzExor> 1. not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.
16:24 < ItzExor> 2. a certain; a particular: one at a time; two of a kind; A Miss Johnson called.
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16:24 < BarkingFish> how bout instead of second guessing the thing, someone kicks it out. we cannot take the risk that it could be doing something unpleasant in here.
16:24 < ItzExor> don't use a**
16:25 -!- DJMalikBOT is now known as DJMalik_
16:25 < Lubaf> Anyway.
16:25 < Lubaf> I'll have a rum and cocaine.
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16:25 < DJMalik> foks: Cambie mi nombre
16:25 < Fluffernutter> thanks DJMalik :)
16:25 < Lubaf> (Which presumably tastes terrible.)
16:26 < Lubaf> (And leaves the tongue numb.)
16:26 < DJMalik> foks: Ready apologize for writing in Spanish
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16:26 < ItzExor> until your mouth is numb
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16:26 < foks> DJMalik, no need to apologise. Thanks for that.
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16:28 < DJMalik> foks :)
16:28 -!- ikewi_ is now known as ikewi
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16:29 < Peter-C> Any admin around?
16:29 < SigmaWP> \x1b[H\x1b[2J
16:29 < Peter-C> O-o
16:29 < SigmaWP> Apparently printing that causes a clear-terminal
16:30 < SigmaWP> On Linux
16:31 < Peter-C> yutsi - get ready
16:31 < yutsi> kk
16:31 < yutsi> I think I need to choose a waifu
16:31 < yutsi> 0.0
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16:34 -!- Antonorsi is now known as DJAntonorsi
16:34 < ikewi> ahhhh
16:35 < Peter-C> Fluffernutter - I choose you!
16:35  * Peter-C tosses a ball at Fluffernutter’s face
16:35 < Fluffernutter> ain't no fluffernutters here
16:35 -!- DJAntonorsi is now known as Antonorsi
16:35 < Peter-C> Wanna merge a page for me
16:35 -!- diegogrez_ [~Diego@wikimedia/Diego-Grez] has joined #wikipedia-en
16:35 < Peter-C> Because your awesome.
16:35 < Peter-C> *move
16:36 < Peter-C> I can’t move the page, because the page is already created.
16:36 < Peter-C> And the interwebs say I need an admin
16:37 < mysterytrey> nlufferfutter!  Or nufferflutter...
16:38 < yutsi> lol is fluffernutter a pokemon now?
16:39  * Fluffernutter hates merges
16:39 < yutsi> Can a pancreas be a pokemon?
16:39 < Fluffernutter> foks wants to do it for you >_>
16:39 < mysterytrey> PancreaS?
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16:39 < mysterytrey> **pancreas?**
16:39 < yutsi> foks is so foksy
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16:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 6 hours
16:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am so excited I can panic
16:40 < yutsi> mysterytrey: You speeled it the same way
16:40 < mysterytrey> 6 hours til something-olympics-related?
16:40 < mysterytrey> I was correcting the capital s
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16:40 < Frood> no, Curiosity landing
16:41 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
16:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mars will gain 1000kg mass
16:42 < yutsi> mysterytrey: The S wasn't capital
16:42 < Peter-C> Fluffernutter - it’s a *move*
16:42 < Peter-C> :3
16:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter the movie!
16:42 < Peter-C> You basicly delete a page and merge over my page. you would just cover over a redirect page so nothing is lost.
16:42 < yutsi> Peter-C: nominate me for RfA, and somehow get people to vote for me, and when I become an admin, I'll do the move. :D
16:42 < mysterytrey> The first time, second time or both.
16:42 < Peter-C> :o
16:42 < mysterytrey> ?
16:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yutsi word domination is easier
16:43 < yutsi> I wrote pancreas as such "pancreas"
16:43 < yutsi> That is true
16:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yutsi what about pancakes?
16:43 < yutsi> You need 9 million edits to pass RfA now
16:43 < yutsi> lol
16:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yutsi even if I had 9 billion edits I wouldnt pass
16:43 < TeeTylerToe> that's how the weed out all the sane people!
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> weed indeed
16:44 < IRWolfie-> I'd say somewhere above 8 thousand is reasonable
16:44 < yutsi> Seriously, though, the main problem with RfA is the ridiculous requests of the voters. Each voter values different things in an admin, and it all comes to together in this discombobulated process.
16:44 < mysterytrey> yutsi: I see this: 19:39 "<mysterytrey> PancreaS?" then I see this "19:39 <mysterytrey> **pancreas?**"
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- how about 50k?
16:44 < yutsi> How long does it take to get 5000 if I work hard?
16:44 < yutsi> I have 3000 now
16:44 < IRWolfie-> a year
16:44 < yutsi> fuck it all
16:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yutsi I can make 500 edits a day
16:44 < yutsi> Actually that's not that bad
16:45 < yutsi> ToAruShiroiNeko: YEah. but I go to school, so I can't just NPP and stuff all day
16:45 < yutsi> I don't have the attention span
16:45 < mysterytrey> I think one person got like 17000+ edits a month but they sat on huggle 24/7.
16:45 < yutsi> lol
16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mysterytrey nice
16:48 < yutsi> Maybe I'll try out Huggle
16:48 < mysterytrey> I know right?
16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> OCD ftw
16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mysterytrey sure that person probablyw as you :p
16:48 < mysterytrey> I think it was some chris dude.
16:48 < mysterytrey> ChrisGuilt or something.
16:48 < closedmouth> i got 14,000 in june 2008
16:48 < mysterytrey> Ahh... chrisguaralti.  No clue about the spelling though.
16:48 < Peter-C> closedmouth - are you an admin?
16:48 < closedmouth> yes
16:48 < Peter-C> PERFECT
16:48 < closedmouth> but i'm going to work now
16:48 < Peter-C> D:
16:48 < closedmouth> so fuck off
16:48 < Peter-C> :(
16:48 < yutsi> lol
16:48  * Peter-C huggles closedmouth
16:48  * yutsi strangles closedmouth
16:48 < BarkingFish> mysterytrey, you mean Chris Gualtieri?
16:48 < mysterytrey> Yeah.
16:48 < yutsi> Wasn't he on here b4?
16:48 < Peter-C> Ironholds - wanna be AWESOME?
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16:48 < BarkingFish> yeah, he's in quite a bit yutsi
16:48 < Peter-C> I need to accomplish my DYK a day for the next month and I need your help.
16:48 < yutsi> Peter-C: I can help with anything non-admin
16:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> closedmouth but your mouth is closed
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16:49 < BarkingFish> was last on about 18 hours ago, yutsi
16:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if it were open you'd not have the time to edit as much
16:49 < mysterytrey> Ahh.  ChrisGualtieri's account is a rollbacker, 5 months old, with 82,036 edits . Last edited 7 hours ago
16:50 < BarkingFish> wait, what>
16:50 < BarkingFish> ?
16:50 < BarkingFish> 82036  edits in 5 months???
16:50 < mysterytrey> Yes.
16:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not that unusual
16:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> edit count is irrelevant
16:51 < BarkingFish> ToAruShiroiNeko, i feel positively fucking slow then. I have barely 7500 edits in almost 8 years :(
16:51 < yutsi> thats disgusting
16:51 < yutsi> that many edis
16:51 < BarkingFish> how the fuck did he get that high?
16:51 < mysterytrey> http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=ChrisGualtieri&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia
16:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> does that person have any clue about copyrights? does he understand the point of NPA etc
16:51 < mysterytrey> 47074 in article-space
16:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> these quesitons matter
16:51 < Isarra> I almost have 3000 edits. Beat that.
16:51 < yutsi> i have 3000, and I've been a regular editor since 2010. :(
16:52 < Isarra> I've been a regular editor since... uh... this year.
16:52 < Isarra> Sort of.
16:52  * Isarra pleads laziness.
16:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Isarra you were always an irregular editor :p
16:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> lazy is good
16:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it implies you have stuff to do
16:52 < yutsi> ToAruShiroiNeko: In a perfect world, edit count is irrelevant; however, RfA !voters get distracted by shiny numbers.
16:52  * Isarra starts coughing.
16:53 < mysterytrey> Oh.  He's typo fixing using AWB
16:53 < BarkingFish> the perfect way to conduct rfa would be to not make user's edit counts available as part of the rfa process.
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16:53 < yutsi> lol I agree
16:53 < mysterytrey> The perfect way to conduct RfA will never exist.
16:53 < Isarra> But if folks are looking at the edits, which they really ought to, they'll get a gist of the count anyway.
16:53 < yutsi> we should disable all of the edit counters
16:54 < mysterytrey> Frankly, that would be a better way.
16:54 < BarkingFish> unfortunately, the problem there is that it would mean taking all the external edit tools off line
16:54 < Isarra> The question is if they can even find anything relevant or is it all lost in the semi-automated edits?
16:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yutsi not really
16:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can fail an rfa despite my edit count
16:54  * Peter-C pokes ragesoss
16:54 < mysterytrey> I can fail an RfA because of my edit count.
16:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I will never have a passing rfa on en.wikipedia, not that adminship matters to me
16:55 < mysterytrey> I can also fail an RfA without my edit count.
16:55 < Isarra> I can fail an RfA because I'm an asshole, I bet.
16:55 < ragesoss> huh?
16:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont rc patrol I do no and will not do anything admins do
16:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so I could care less about the sysop fla
16:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> g
16:55 < mysterytrey> ToAruShiroiNeko: Request for global sysop!
16:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'll pass
16:55 < Isarra> Although even if I were an admin here, it wouldn't benefit here at all. I'd just use it to check things on commons. >.<
16:56  * Fluffernutter has generally found that an RFA run for reasons other than "Dammit, I am SICK of having to find an admin to do things when I'm trying to work!" or "Dammit, I am SICK of having this person have to come to me to have work done in admin areas" are much more prone to tanking
16:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have seen how some global sysops think
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16:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont want to be associated with them in any shape or form
16:56 < Isarra> How do they think?
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16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> let me put it this way
16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they'd rather nominate/userify a page they feel is a good idea unless there isnt prior consensus to create it
16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> on meta
16:57 -!- Arcturus [~Amarty@bband-dyn21.95-103-24.t-com.sk] has joined #wikipedia-en
16:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> where consensus is unheard of
16:57 < mysterytrey> I have less edits than yutsi :(
16:57 < yutsi> LOLWUT
16:58 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, to be honest, that is one of the reasons I was considering becoming an admin. It seems such a shame to bug people to do stuff for you, when you can get the ability to do those things yourself.
16:58 < yutsi> BarkingFish: I'd vote for you. I'll nominate you if you want.
16:58 < GabrielF> but… but… human interaction!!!
16:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter I probably am one of the best people on wiki that can deal with copyvios
16:58 < BarkingFish> I think people wanting to become admins should have the option of having the right for a trial period of 2 weeks, during which other administrators can see how they cope with the tool.
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16:58 < Isarra> ToAruShiroiNeko: Has anyone tried smacking them?
16:58 < mysterytrey> BarkingFish: Have you started ticking off the checkboxes for RfA yet?
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16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Isarra why bother? I dont have the time to deal with them.
16:59 < BarkingFish> It's great to make people go through an rfa, sure, but it would be helpful for applicants to see the tools first hand, and understand how they work
16:59 < Isarra> But smacking people is fun.
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I only wanted to nuke copyvios on smaller wikis
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they were unwilling
16:59 < Isarra> Ach.
16:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nothing I can do then
16:59 < Isarra> That's actually sensible.
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16:59 < yutsi> I hate how people with content skills and almost no maintenance skills can pass as admins
17:00 < BarkingFish> ToAruShiroiNeko, are you willing to apply for perms as a temp admin to a small wiki?
17:00 < Isarra> BarkingFish: My introduction to adminning was being given the tools and absolutely no guidance as to what to do with them.
17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish on which wiki?
17:00 < BarkingFish> If you are, I have a proposal for you.  See PM.
17:00 < yutsi> I mean, do they need admin status to make FAs?
17:00 < Isarra> Having been through that, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
17:00 < Fluffernutter> BarkingFish: it's easy to behave for 2 weeks. Most people don't start settling in and not being pin-perfect until a couple of *months* in
17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> most smaller wikis are without an active community
17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have like one or two editors
17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if at all
17:00 < BarkingFish> Isarra, precisely.  Giving people the tools and no clues on what they do with them is wrong.
17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and have so many copyvios that arent even used in articles
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17:01 < Isarra> Well, there were clues.
17:01 < Isarra> And there were people to ask on different wikis.
17:01 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, sure - but it would be a good idea, since if you allow them the space to use the tools alongside a supervising admin, they can have the freedom to try them out.
17:01 < Isarra> Which is probably why I wound up so messed up...
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17:02 < BarkingFish> It seems so fucked up to go: Right, you need to apply for adminship - we have the tools, but you can't use them until you pass, and then when you do pass, you get the tools and we don't tell you what to do with them or how they work. RTFM :)
17:02 < mysterytrey> BarkingFish: You'd probably get attacked if you posted "I think people wanting to become admins should have the option of having the right for a trial period of 2 weeks, during which other administrators can see how they cope with the tool." on Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship, but you should do it anyway.
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17:03 < Fluffernutter> mysterytrey: not so much attacked as fifteen people going "Dude, have you READ WP:PEREN?"
17:03 < Isarra> It only takes people two weeks to become familiar with the tools around here?
17:03 < Isarra> Blimey.
17:03 < mysterytrey> They'd probably say it attackingly.
17:03 < SigmaWP> Is it worse to fail RfA or be yelled at by the aforementioned group of 15?
17:03 < Fluffernutter> two weeks to learn where the buttons are, perhaps
17:03 < yutsi> B/c of research, I already how to do a large amount of admin stuff
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17:04  * Fluffernutter is a year in and still has to ask for help sometimes on the less-used admin tools
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish I did not recieve a pm from you btw
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter there are like 2 admin buttons
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> block and delete
17:04 < Isarra> And protect.
17:04 < Gfoley4> protect!
17:04 < yutsi> revdelete
17:04 < Gfoley4> Nuke
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> -_-
17:04 < yutsi> oversight
17:04 < Isarra> And various related things.
17:05 < SigmaWP> Gfoley4: Especially nuke :D
17:05 < yutsi> wait can admins oversight?
17:05 < Ironholds> yutsi: oversight is not an admin tool
17:05 < Isarra> And user rights.
17:05 < yutsi> Yeah, i forgot
17:05 < BarkingFish> ToAruShiroiNeko, sorry, got sidetracked.
17:05 < Ironholds> you know the users known as oversighters?
17:05 < Ironholds> yeah, THEY have oversight
17:05 < Gfoley4> Fluff still has it!
17:05 < Isarra> Ironholds: It's a coincidence.
17:05 < Ironholds> which is good, because otherwise they'd have really stupid names.
17:05 < yutsi> Can bureaucrats oversight?
17:05 < Gfoley4> no
17:05 < Isarra> The name has nothing to do with anything.
17:05 < Ironholds> no, oversighters can oversight
17:05 < Fluffernutter> heh, not so much. If I asked you to do a histmerge of two articles, each of which have been worked on since they were created, would you know how to do that? It involves a rather complex set of delete, move, delete, restore, lather, rinse, repeat...
17:05 < yutsi> oh
17:05 < Ironholds> I'm struggling to see why you find this so difficult to understand
17:05 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: easy.
17:05 < Isarra> I know how to histmerge!
17:05 < Gfoley4> histmerge is hard
17:05 < IShadowed__> because he's 10
17:05  * Fluffernutter nods
17:05 < Isarra> I know because someone merged his talkpage with someone else's.
17:05 < SigmaWP> Gfoley4: Delete, move, delete, undelete
17:05 < Ironholds> delete [eventual location], move [other] to [eventual location], delete that, restore all revisions
17:06 < Isarra> And then I got to gape at it.
17:06 < Ironholds> Isarra: actually, the name does make sense
17:06 < Isarra> It was like... whaaaaat?
17:06 < Ironholds> (oversight)
17:06 < Isarra> Yes, yes.
17:06 < Ironholds> the original extension for it was Extension:Oversight, so users were named oversighters
17:06  * Fluffernutter oversees oversighters oversighting oversightingly
17:06 < Isarra> Well, no it doesn't.
17:06 < Ironholds> yes, we've replaced it with Extension:Suppress or whatever
17:06 < Ironholds> but, eh.
17:06 < Isarra> But it was the extension that didn't make sense.
17:07 < Ironholds> yeah, it was a sucky extension
17:07 < Ironholds> I remember fondly when someone accidentally oversighted one of our users' entire contribution history
17:07 < Ironholds> 150,000 edits, gone, with no way of getting them back
17:07 < Isarra> >__<
17:07 < Fluffernutter> lol
17:07 < Ironholds> they had to write a script server-side to pull them out and it caused around 1000 seconds of lag while it processed
17:07 < Ironholds> ahh, memories.
17:07 -!- DJMalik is now known as Austin_Moon
17:07 < Ironholds> it was The Thing ;p
17:07 < Ironholds> and it was HILARIOUS, too.
17:08 < Isarra> Was this a coincidence that it happened to someone so questionable?
17:08 < SigmaWP> I wonder if it was written in perl
17:08 < Fluffernutter> he didn't used to be questionable, really
17:08 < IShadowed__> questionable?
17:08 < Isarra> So he only more recently started encouraging vandals?
17:08 < Fluffernutter> he's gotten margianalized onwiki, which had fed into...questionability
17:09 < IShadowed__> yeah Thing used to be quite normal
17:09 < IShadowed__> well.
17:09 < Isarra> Oh, huh.
17:09 < IShadowed__> as normal as he could be
17:09 < Ironholds> Isarra: a couple of years ago
17:09 < Ironholds> he used to be sensible
17:09 < IShadowed__> now he just does ODOR BLOCKING BODY WASH spamming all day
17:09 < IShadowed__> or something.
17:09 < Ironholds> mind you, IShadowed used to be relatively sensible too
17:09  * Isarra headdesks.
17:09 < Ironholds> presumably
17:09  * Fluffernutter pets IShadowed__
17:09 < IShadowed__> Pretty sure I still am
17:09 < Isarra> Why do I always miss the good old days?
17:09 < Ironholds> you voluntarily hang around with us, hun
17:09 < Ironholds> Isarra: as in, why didn't you get to participate?
17:10 < Ironholds> oh, there were some shitty bits
17:10 < IShadowed__> I don't think being in a channel with 189 others counts as "hanging out"
17:10 < Ironholds> like when roux and le grande pumpkin wassit were active
17:10 < Isarra> No, I always just show up places after they're already dying.
17:10 < IShadowed__> ugh
17:10 < Ironholds> ooh, or ottava. ottava used to hang around here.
17:10 < IShadowed__> fucking roux
17:10 < IShadowed__> mother.fucking. roux.
17:10 < Ironholds> IShadowed: FUCK YOU I HATE YOU FUCKING BIGOT
17:10 < Fluffernutter> ottava still would if he hadn't been banned, I think
17:10  * Ironholds coughs
17:10 < IShadowed__> seriously
17:10 < IShadowed__> he was terrrrrrible
17:10 < Isarra> Then after I wander off, a couple years later they always finish dying.
17:10 < Ironholds> Isarra: we're not dying!
17:10 < Isarra> Ironholds: GOOD!
17:10 < Fluffernutter> who's dying?
17:10 < Ironholds> I'm being paid...not much money to make sure of that! woo! etc!
17:11 < Isarra> Keep ot that way.
17:11 < Ironholds> technically we are dying, very, very slowly
17:11 < Isarra> Or I'll hurt you.
17:11 < Ironholds> if I die, you'll kill me? ;p
17:11 < Isarra> ...yes.
17:11 < Ironholds> and hey, I might be into that kinda thing
17:11 < Ironholds> think threats through
17:11 < IShadowed__> get a room
17:11 < Ironholds> we had one
17:11 < Ironholds> it wasn't as good as the state plaza
17:11 < Ironholds> etc, etc.
17:11 < Isarra> Exactly.
17:11 < Ironholds> shut it, you
17:11 < Ironholds> it was the best kind of room: free!
17:11 < Isarra> You mentioned it.
17:12 < Ironholds> yeah, but for me, mentioning it is like, a one-off
17:12 < Isarra> What's a one-off?
17:12 < Ironholds> it's only really happened a couple of times
17:12 < Ironholds> you complained so much we have a meme based around you complaining about *that specific thing*
17:12 < Isarra> And why is the mediawiki manual so badly written?
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17:14 < Isarra> So what would be the best way to grant a user the usergroup 'sexy' on a modern mediawiki?
17:14 < Isarra> Is there any good way?
17:14 < Fluffernutter> first you sleep with a dev
17:14 < Fluffernutter> and then you get them drunk
17:14  * IShadowed__ snuggles Flueeh
17:14 < Fluffernutter> and then you go start your own wiki
17:14 < Isarra> Well, some of them are pretty cute...
17:14 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: you know this, how?
17:14 < mysterytrey> Just read that random ninja-walkthrough.
17:15 < Fluffernutter> Ironholds: well, asking in here certainly isn't working for her. It was a valid guess!
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17:15 < Isarra> It was more interesting than any helpful one.
17:15 < Isarra> Helpful is oft overrated.
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17:16 < mysterytrey> Hello MJ 94.
17:16 < MJ94> hello mistress trey
17:16 < MJ94> :)
17:16 < mysterytrey> Fuck you.
17:16 < MJ94> mysterytrey: <3
17:16 < MJ94> mysterytrey: how
17:16 < MJ94> mysterytrey: how's life?\
17:16 < mysterytrey> carefully.
17:17 < MJ94> mysterytrey: also, how hadd?
17:17 < MJ94> hard*
17:17 < MJ94> god
17:17 < MJ94> can't type
17:17 < mysterytrey> How hard?  Carefully.
17:17 < Fluffernutter> flooding bad
17:17 < mysterytrey> And I am /not/ a mistress
17:18 < Fluffernutter> hey, what you do in your downtime is your own business
17:18 < Isarra> Are you a master?
17:18 < MJ94> A master baiter.
17:18 < mysterytrey> I don't do it in my downtime.  I do it on-wiki.
17:18 < MJ94> Really good fisherwoman
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17:19 < MJ94> mysterytrey: WikiProject: Sexuality
17:19 < mysterytrey> I am the master, MJ94 is submissive.  Like in that book "Fifty shades of Gray".
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17:19 < IShadowed__> it's Grey
17:19 < mysterytrey> That book was good.
17:19 < IShadowed__> also
17:19 < MJ94> mysterytrey: :)
17:19 < IShadowed__> that is not bdsm
17:19 < Fluffernutter> "good"
17:19 < IShadowed__> just saying
17:19  * Isarra starts singing - always look on the briiight side of liiiife!
17:19 < IShadowed__> and yeah "good"?
17:19  * Fluffernutter puts Isarra on a cross to complete the song
17:19 < IShadowed__> I like my erotic fiction written at above a fifth-grade level
17:19 < mysterytrey> You know there was a huge edit was over the title Grey vs. Gray
17:19 < mysterytrey> ?
17:19  * Isarra dies.
17:20 < mysterytrey> It is fine.
17:20 < IShadowed__> that's retarded, seeing as it was published "Grey"
17:20 < IShadowed__> argument over
17:20 < MJ94> ^
17:20 < MJ94> it's fucking gray
17:20  * Fluffernutter snuggles IShadowed
17:20 < mysterytrey> IShadowed__: No.
17:20 < Ironholds> okay, okay, look
17:20 < mysterytrey> Not the title of the book.
17:20 < Ironholds> you two are having a fucking feud over the name of a fictional character from malapropriated FANFIC
17:20 < Ironholds> get a sense of perspective, jesus.
17:20 < Guerillero> yep
17:20 < IShadowed__> Ironholds, no
17:20 < Ironholds> also, READ BETTER EROTICA
17:20 < mysterytrey> The article "Grey" or "Gray"
17:20 < Isarra> Here?
17:20 < IShadowed__> he mentioned it
17:20 < IShadowed__> I commented
17:20 < Isarra> You ask for perspective HERE?!
17:20 < IShadowed__> NOW he's trying to commence the argument
17:20  * Isarra lynches Ironholds.
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17:21 < Guerillero> it is arguable a lemon anyway
17:21 < IShadowed__> The argument did not occur.
17:21 < Isarra> What argument? We're having a lynching, not an argument.
17:21 < IShadowed__> Also
17:21 < Ironholds> Isarra: psht. like there are even any trees big enough near you.
17:21 < IShadowed__> I do, I do.
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17:21 < Guerillero> burn
17:21 < Isarra> Ironholds: Sure there are.
17:21 < IShadowed__> Cherise Sinclair is decent.
17:21 < Isarra> Siberian elms may only last 50 years, but they get pretty big before falling over on people's cars.
17:22 < Ironholds> you get siberian elms in the desert?
17:22 < Isarra> This isn't just desert, it's high altitude desert!
17:22 < Isarra> Mongolia ain't too wet either, you know.
17:23 < BarkingFish> Snowolf, you free for a second please?
17:23 < Ironholds> so it's a wretched, sun-drenched hellhole with less oxygen than is ideal
17:23  * Ironholds crosses Colorado off his list-of-places-to-experience
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17:23 < Isarra> Yup.
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17:24  * Fluffernutter went to colorado once
17:24 < Fluffernutter> it was unremarkable
17:24 < geniice> Isarra Siberian elms have nothing on Leyland Cypress
17:24 < Isarra> It does have a lot of grass sometimes, though.
17:24 < Ironholds> eh. I like my environ to be wet.
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17:24 < Ironholds> "a lot of grass sometimes" - sometimes is the keyword.
17:24 < Guerillero> pikes peak was cool
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17:25 < Isarra> geniice: Don't think those would grow very well here.
17:25 < Isarra> Siberian elms are mostly notable because they actually survive.
17:25 < geniice> Isarra they thrive in the UK
17:25 < Isarra> Which is really wet.
17:25 < Isarra> This ain't.
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17:26 < Guerillero> are you from liberal Colorado or focus on the family conservative Colorado isarra
17:26 < Isarra> We have really tiny cacti here.
17:26 < Fluffernutter> crazypants colorado>
17:26 < Isarra> I'm from snarl at political people Colorado.
17:27 < geniice> cacti tend not to grow in the UK. They rot
17:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> colorado has pants?
17:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice I disagree
17:27 < Fluffernutter> unless they all walk around naked, it does@
17:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> have you seen the house of commons lately?
17:27 < Fluffernutter> why is my punctuation so bored tonight...
17:27 < Isarra> If they get bigger than a few centimeters here they freeze too much.
17:27 < Fluffernutter> *borked
17:27 < Fluffernutter> dammit, keyboard
17:27 < Guerillero> lol
17:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dont blame the keyboard, blame democrats
17:27 < Guerillero> why not republicans
17:27 < Isarra> And the keyboard.
17:27 < Isarra> And the keyboard.
17:28 < Ironholds> how about we blame the keyboard on its own like sensible people?
17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Guerillero because republicans may actually shot you
17:28 < Fluffernutter> it's clearly the republicans breaking into my apartment and changing around my keyboard to match their morals
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17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds no one here is sensable, be serious
17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutterrepublicans have morals?
17:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> news to me
17:28 < Guerillero> i work for their favorite organization so my chances of getting shot go down
17:29 < Fluffernutter> you work for the NRA?
17:29 < Isarra> Can you get me a gun?
17:29 < Ironholds> the scouts
17:29 < Ironholds> Isarra: dammit, I want to go shooting now.
17:29 < Fluffernutter> scouts is only, like, third-favorite
17:29 < WilliamH_UK> the army?
17:29  * Ironholds adds it to his to-do list for his next holiday
17:29 < Bsadowski1> what i
17:29 < Bsadowski1> Ironholds
17:29 < Ironholds> ...eh?
17:29 < Guerillero> ironholds has it right
17:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you want to shoot scouts?
17:30 < Guerillero> :o
17:30 < geniice> remember any gun that is man portable isn't worth shooting
17:30 < Bsadowski1> Surely you don't mean the Scout from Team Fortress 2?
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17:30 < Guerillero> The Boy Scouts of America
17:30 < Ironholds> geniice: you say that as someone who hasn't gone shooting enough
17:31 < Ironholds> mind you, I have no idea where I'm next going on holiday
17:31 < Ironholds> somewhere in the US, mos def.
17:31  * Guerillero needs to go up to the range again
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17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Guerillero why not Girl Scouts?
17:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Trout Fishing In America
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway America
17:31 < Guerillero> they are evil and liberal if you listen to people up at camp
17:31 < geniice> Ironholds you've never got your hands on artillery then
17:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Tony Sidaway in America
17:31 < Fluffernutter> the girls scouts support equal rights and stuff
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway are you excited?
17:32 < Fluffernutter> we can't have that in america
17:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> precisely 5 hours remain
17:32 < Isarra> We can have angry people with guns, though.
17:32 < Isarra> It all works out.
17:32 < Bsadowski1> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012_Oak_Creek_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=505988302
17:32 < Bsadowski1> :|
17:32 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: only excited about Curiosity Rover.
17:33 < IShadowed__> Bsadowski1, rollback, unfounded
17:33 < Guerillero> i need to use my 30-30 before i go off to college
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway exactly
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 5 hours for its landing
17:33 < Bsadowski1> I know, ishadowed.
17:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can watch it live :)
17:33 < Bsadowski1> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/7-killed-including-gunman-in-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/2012/08/05/70692158-df2b-11e1-a19c-fcfa365396c8_story.html
17:33 < Bsadowski1> :O
17:34 < Bsadowski1> "Sikh men tend to stand out because of their beards and colorful turbans, which are ritually wrapped around uncut hair, and leaders in the community say they are sometimes confused with Muslims and viewed with suspicion. "
17:34 < Isarra> Let's see... should I set up a pile of wikis just to see how quickly I can explode them, or should I do something useful?
17:34 < LtNOWIS> yeah if he had used an AR-15 I would definitely get some medium-capacity magazines for fear of a ban.
17:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://tinyurl.com/cac8jjy
17:34  * Isarra starts braiding IShadowed__'s hair instead.
17:34 < Ironholds> Isarra, IShadowed, get a room ;p
17:34 < LtNOWIS> There's a pretty nice Sikh temple in San Jose I think
17:34 < IShadowed__> pfft
17:35 < Isarra> What, you afraid of a little plaiting?
17:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh the Sikh Temple shooting thing. Must dive off to a news site and read up on that.
17:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 I am amazed how washington post is allowed to write such racist crap
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17:35 < Bsadowski1> How is that racist?
17:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well
17:35 < LtNOWIS> ...
17:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> consider how it is worded
17:35 < Bsadowski1> It's descripting what they wear.
17:35 < Ironholds> Isarra: I cannot think of a response to that except "I demand you plait my hair"
17:35 < Bsadowski1> describing*
17:35 < Ironholds> because I don't actually know anyone who can plait
17:35 < IShadowed__> my hair isn't much at a good braiding length, noww
17:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it almost reads like shooting muslims would be legitemate
17:36 < Isarra> IShadowed__: It's too short.
17:36 < Isarra> Ironholds*
17:36 < Isarra> sorry.
17:36 < Ironholds> I need to grow it for next year's halloween costume anyway.
17:36 < LtNOWIS> Well a very large portion of attacks on Sikhs are due to their confusion with Muslims
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> even so
17:36 < Guerillero> it is sad
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the text should read like how hate crimes are covered
17:37 < Guerillero> sikhs are fairly peaceful
17:37  * IShadowed__ confuses Guerillero for a muslim
17:37  * IShadowed__ surprise attacks
17:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Still to early to say anything about the Sikh shooting as yet.
17:37 < Guerillero> :o
17:37 < Isarra> I need a halloween costume.
17:37 < IShadowed__> sexy nurse
17:37 < Guerillero> and I am a quaker
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Guerillero so are vast majority of muslims
17:37 < Guerillero> i know
17:37 < Isarra> I'm not sexy, unfortunately.
17:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> or vast majority of any people
17:37 < Isarra> I could do unsexy nurse, though.
17:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> excluding wikipedians, that group is vicious
17:38 < Ironholds> Isarra: you're pretty sexy, to be fair
17:38 < Bsadowski1> Prove it.
17:38 < LtNOWIS> Sikhs have a long history of being excellent fighters
17:38 < Ironholds> you could come as a faerie queen, which would require absolutely zero dressing up
17:38 < Ironholds> on the grounds that you normally look like one of the fey folk anyhoo
17:39 < Guerillero> are her ears pointed?
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17:39 < Bsadowski1> Hobbit?
17:39 < Bsadowski1> :O
17:39 < Isarra> Guerillero: Plastic surgeon said no.
17:39 < Guerillero> darn
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17:39 < Ironholds> hah
17:39  * Isarra sniffles.
17:39  * Ironholds hugs Isarra
17:39 < Ironholds> there there. you've still got the scary cloak.
17:40 < Guerillero> i must go to wikimania next year
17:40 < Ironholds> yay!
17:41 < Ironholds> are you bringing your beard?
17:41 < Guerillero> i will be of age in Taiwan
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17:41 < Guerillero> no
17:41 < Isarra> How is it you people can afford this?
17:41 < Ironholds> aww
17:41  * Isarra pouts.
17:41 < Isarra> And how much would it cost to fly from finland to hong kong?
17:41 < Frood> bout tree fiddy
17:41 < Ironholds> Isarra: why finland?
17:41 < Isarra> ...because.
17:41 < Isarra> >.>
17:41 < Guerillero> what is in finland
17:42 < Frood> Linus Torvalds is from Finland I think.
17:42 < Guerillero> hmm
17:42 < Ironholds> Isarra: tell!
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17:42 < Isarra> ...someone.
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17:42 < Guerillero> so were the girls who appeared in our camp site ever night at the world jamboree
17:42 < Frood> Isarra has a boyfriend in Finland.
17:42 < Isarra> He's sexy.
17:43 < Frood> :O
17:43 < Isarra> XD
17:43 < Ironholds> the hell is my screwdriver
17:43  * Isarra hugs Frood.
17:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: hey, my daughter is a regular visitor at our local Friends Meeting House.
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17:43 < Guerillero> cool :) I like out meeting house near school
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17:44 < Ironholds> 2am is totally a good time to be building furniture
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17:44 < Dragonfly6-7> anyone here speak spanish?
17:44 < Tony_Sidaway> I recommended British Quakers to her, as a fellow atheist, when she said she wanted to try to believe in God.
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17:44 < Ironholds> iberian or mexican?
17:44 < Isarra> So I was talking to an old friend and he seemed genuinely astounded that 'they actually let' me edit wikipedia.
17:44 < Dragonfly6-7> Either will do, I think
17:44 < Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: nope
17:44 < Isarra> I need a retort.
17:45 -!- andrewcrawford [~andrewcra@cpc3-cast8-2-0-cust294.20-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en
17:45 < Ironholds> Isarra: "I'm genuinely astounded they let you breathe"
17:45 < Isarra> And I can mangle spanish. Does that work?
17:45  * Isarra hits Ironholds with a frying pan.
17:45 < Ironholds> ...thanks
17:45 < Guerillero> we are less scary than many other christian groups
17:45 -!- diegogrez_ [~Diego@wikimedia/Diego-Grez] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
17:45 < Ironholds> unless you're gay
17:46 < Ironholds> in which case you are PRECISELY as scary as many other christian groups ;p
17:46 < Dragonfly6-7> Isarra - enwiki's article on Dr. Asch talks about Dr Asch's amazing medical achievements, as well as his criminal activities and flight from prosecution. Eswiki's article only talks about his amazing medical achievements.
17:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: well it really helped a lot that the Quakers are one of several religious groups in the UK that have been pushing hard for the law to be changed to permit them to marry same-sex partners in their houses of worship.
17:47 < Dragonfly6-7> (yes, all of that is properly supported; the revelation of his criminal activities led to a Pulitzer prize, and to several regulatory reforms)
17:47 < Tony_Sidaway> She is very much my daughter in that respect.
17:47 < Dragonfly6-7> and I think it should be in eswiki too, but I can't add content to eswiki because I can't write Spanish worth shit.
17:47 < Isarra> Oh.
17:47 < Isarra> Writing isn't so good for me.
17:47 < Dragonfly6-7> Okay. Thanks anyway.
17:47 < Tony_Sidaway> (And her mother's daughter--my wife feels the same way)
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17:49 < yutsi> lol
17:49 < yutsi> SentryBot> User [[User:Yutsi]], Possible gibberish? [[User:Yutsi/huggle.css]] (1801) Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AYutsi/huggle.css&diff=505992223&oldid=505991477 "Updating configuration ([[WP:HG|HG]])"
17:49 < Isarra> Looks like the spanish one needs formatting, too.
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17:50 < Guerillero> Tony_Sidaways: the progrssiveness of the quakers is one of the reasons I became a convinced friend
17:51 < Ironholds> too many screws
17:51 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:51 < Guerillero> would anyone like blueberry and raspberry cheesecake?
17:51 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en
17:51 < Fluffernutter> fun fact: Lays "Classic BLT" flavored potato chips taste disturbingly like a BLT
17:51 < Dragonfly6-7> 'disturbingly' ?
17:51 < Ironholds> fun fact; everything Lays make tastes like SHIT
17:51 < Fluffernutter> yes
17:52 < yutsi> Huggle's weird
17:52 < Guerillero> how so
17:52 < Ironholds> ...I screwed one of the sides on wrong, didn't I.
17:52 < Ironholds> fucks sakes.
17:52 < Isarra> yutsi: It's IE.
17:52 < Isarra> Of course it's weird.
17:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: yeah, it's the most attractive thing for me too. I seriously considered Quakerism. I love the meetings. A whole hour of silent contemplation in the company of friends? Love it!
17:54 < mysterytrey> IE?  As in Internet Explorer?
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17:54 < yutsi> I think Isarra means that Huggle uses the IE engine
17:54 < yutsi> which is a programming faux pas
17:54 < mysterytrey> Oh I was about to say "What has this planet come to?"
17:55 < yutsi> you should say that
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17:56 < yutsi> Ironholds: potato chips are ftw
17:56 < mysterytrey> yutsi: You got huggle.  So, are you going to hide a laptop in your binder when school starts?
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17:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I haven't used IE enough to know whether it's good or bad (ignoring rumours) but isn't a major problem with IE that it's Windows-only and, largely, x86-only?
17:56 < Ironholds> yutsi: you just keep churning out reasons for me to hate you
17:56 < IShadowed__> ^
17:56 < yutsi> lol I might get a netbook and put h4x0r OS (read:Linux) on it.
17:56 < yutsi> and then bring it to school
17:56 < IShadowed__> ....
17:57 < IShadowed__> aaaaaand
17:57 < IShadowed__> yeah.
17:57 < IShadowed__> all pity is gone.
17:57 < yutsi> Who doesn't like potato chips? They're terribly for you, but occasionally they're nice to have
17:57 < Tony_Sidaway> yutsi: er wot?
17:57 < IShadowed__> I really do think this chump is 10 years old.
17:57 < IShadowed__> There is no other way..
17:57 < yutsi> gtfo IRC
17:57 < yutsi> twitter.com/darthyutsi
17:57 < Frood> it'd be easier to just set up vnc...
17:57 < yutsi> That's me
17:57 < Frood> yutsi: linking to that is probably a bad idea
17:57 < IShadowed__> I sat next to you
17:58 < IShadowed__> Listened to you for an hour
17:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Seriously if your school is saying it has a say in which OS you put on your own computer, find another school.
17:58 < yutsi> Frood: That's a public twitter
17:58 < IShadowed__> See your comments on wiki and here
17:58 < IShadowed__> Surely you're not 15
17:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway there is an easier solution
17:58 < Fluffernutter> IShadowed, i think this horse is well dead
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17:58 < yutsi> No, Tony, it's just that their computers are terribly outdated, so I prefer to bring my laptop
17:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> install some other os secretly at night to all school computers
17:58 < IShadowed__> Fluffernutter, hush you
17:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and watch the chaos the next day
17:58 < IShadowed__> I enjoy beating dead horses
17:58 < IShadowed__> and diskc
17:58 < yutsi> However, my laptop is a bit bulky, so I fancy buying a netbook for school
17:58 < IShadowed__> well that failed
17:58 < IShadowed__> dicks*
17:59 < yutsi> IShadowed__: good, you beat your dick, and I'll be huggling.
17:59 < Fluffernutter> ..
17:59 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:59 < yutsi> :D
17:59  * IShadowed__ smirk
17:59 < IShadowed__> Kid has no idea.
17:59 < Tony_Sidaway> yutsi: okay sorry I went off half-cocked there.
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17:59 < yutsi> no prob
17:59 < Fluffernutter> were there any good olympic events today?
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17:59 < Frood> Fluffernutter: No.
17:59 < Fluffernutter> or just beach volleyball nonstop?
17:59 < yutsi> IShadowed__: You know, you're only a few years older than me
17:59 < Guerillero> track
18:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Olympic Borising.
18:00 < yutsi> I missed beach volleyball? :(
18:00 < Ironholds> "h4x0r OS (read:Linux)"?
18:00 < Guerillero> lol
18:00 < Ironholds> okay, somebody tell me I didn't just read that
18:00  * ToAruShiroiNeko catapults dead horses
18:00 < Ironholds> IShadowed, did I just read that?
18:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you didnt reat THAT
18:00 < yutsi> lol I was joking
18:00 -!- WhiskerBiscuit [~WhiskerBi@c-69-143-18-31.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en
18:00 < Ironholds> And when did we start running broadband connections to kindergardens, exactly/
18:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Competitors don a blonde wig and try to make speeches while stuck on a line threaded between two trees in Hyde Park.
18:00 < IShadowed__> yutsi, you have no idea..
18:01 < Ironholds> whose hellish and dumbassed policy decision WAS that? can we have them shot?
18:01 < yutsi> Plus, Linux *is* the ideal OS for hacking.
18:01 < IShadowed__> Ironholds, my thoughts exactly
18:01 < WhiskerBiscuit> whats the wig for?
18:01 < Guerillero> oh god
18:01 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, Did you see the poll on MSN UK?  "Following his work and involvement in the Olympics, would  you be prepared to vote Tory if Boris Johnson was leader?"
18:01 < Ironholds> yutsi: correct! it is the best OS for modifying software.
18:01 < BarkingFish> Over 69% of people said yes :)
18:01  * Ironholds claps
18:01 < Frood> Ironholds: i have to disagree
18:01 < yutsi> http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
18:01 < Ironholds> Frood: yeah, most of the devs I know use macs
18:01 < Frood> Yeah
18:01 < Frood> OS X is good for development
18:01 < Frood> s/good/great/
18:01 < Ironholds> "A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems " - yutsi, tits are NOT a programmable system
18:01 < Tony_Sidaway> WhiskerBiscuit: Boris Johnson is the Mayor of London (hence Borising) and is blonde and a loudmouth.
18:02 < Ironholds> you are not a hacker
18:02 < Guerillero> wikimania felt like a mac convention
18:02 < yutsi> Ironholds: XD
18:02 < Frood> They're both great, but in their own ways
18:02 < yutsi> I wish you could program girls!
18:02 < Ironholds> you are a twerp who thinks he's badass because he read the jargon files once and has the anarchist's cookbook on a USB pen
18:02 < Ironholds> one time? one time you visited the TOTSE dump!
18:02 < yutsi> I don't read the archist cookbook
18:02 < IShadowed__> /////
18:02 < Ironholds> it was SO COOL!
18:02 < IShadowed__> ...
18:02 < Fluffernutter> "program girls"?
18:02 < Frood> Linux, imo, is better for webdev and scripting languages
18:02 < Frood> like python
18:02 < Ironholds> to be fair, TOTSE is fun
18:02 < IShadowed__> yeah cause you can't get any
18:02 < Fluffernutter> christ on a cracker
18:02 -!- diegogrez_ [~Diego@wikimedia/Diego-Grez] has joined #wikipedia-en
18:02 < Ironholds> not so much for the crazy conspiracy theories as the almost hilariously bad erotica
18:02 < Frood> OS X, on the other hand, is better for things like C++, "desktop" languages
18:02  * Guerillero waits for yutsi to die
18:02 < yutsi> Ironholds: You're thinking of BBS-era stuff. I wasn't even alive when that stuff was popular
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18:02 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: yeah I'm never going to vote Tory but he is absolutely the best and the worst advert (on different topics) for the Tories.
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18:03 < Tony_Sidaway> I really love the bloke.
18:03 < yutsi> 4chan has momentary lapses of awesomeness, before becoming a cesspool of piss yet again
18:03 < Guerillero> le sigh
18:03 < Guerillero> you seem to be 12 and ickle
18:03 < Fredddie> yutsi: I wouldn't go that far
18:04 < yutsi> ickle?
18:04 < Fredddie> it's more like the wind shifts and you can't smell the piss, so you don't mind it
18:04 < Tony_Sidaway> "There's this guy called Mitt Romney, who says we're not ready. Are we ready?"
18:04 < yutsi> lol That sounds right
18:04 < Soapy> ickle = british childish word for little
18:04 < yutsi> oh
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18:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> or icky
18:04 < Tony_Sidaway> I cannot dislike a politician with such a grasp of the zeitgeist.
18:04 < WhiskerBiscuit> meany yuck
18:04 < yutsi> You brits and your terminology
18:04 < Fluffernutter> Guerillero is turning metric! Run!
18:05 < WhiskerBiscuit> Probably a Steelrs fan
18:05 < Fredddie> there's nothing wrong with being a Steelers fan D:
18:05 < yutsi> Football's lame
18:05 < Fredddie> I've at least come to terms with the fact that our QB is a dirtbag
18:05 < Ironholds> IShadowed: +1
18:05 < WhiskerBiscuit> Fredddie: Who cares if he;s a dirtbag.  Win
18:06 < IShadowed__> what'd I do
18:06 < Ironholds> IShadowed: facebook
18:06 < Guerillero> I am a pens fan thank you very much
18:06 < IShadowed__> ah
18:06 < WhiskerBiscuit> Let's go Caps
18:06 < Fredddie> I used to like the Avs, but they started sucking
18:06 < Fredddie> so I usually go for whoever is playing the Red Wings
18:07 < yutsi> Alright, I've given up on Huggle. I'm more efficient on STiki, anyways.
18:07 < Frood> IShadowed__: +1
18:07 < IShadowed__> you're more efficient playing with the other little boys and girls outside
18:08  * Guerillero likes the facebook-wikipedia network
18:08 < IShadowed__> <3
18:08  * Tony_Sidaway just spent a minute working out that in context (Steelers) QB means "Quarterback".
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18:08 < Guerillero> sorry
18:08 < Tony_Sidaway> Probably.
18:08 < Guerillero> you are right
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18:08 < Fredddie> yes Tony
18:08 < Tony_Sidaway> Now shut up and talk cockney for gawds sikes.
18:08 < Guerillero> however tony, you do know what a hooker is
18:08 < WhiskerBiscuit> ullo govnuh
18:08 < Fredddie> roight
18:08 < Guerillero> so 5 points for you
18:09 < WhiskerBiscuit> wankuh
18:09 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: I do. It's a chap who does nasty things on the rugger pitch.
18:09 < WhiskerBiscuit> I love the word differences
18:09 < Guerillero> yep
18:09 < Fredddie> that's actually correct in more than one context
18:09 < Fredddie> nice!
18:09 < WhiskerBiscuit> My favorite is "fanny pack"
18:09 < Tony_Sidaway> He has to get in there and hook the ball out.
18:10 < Guerillero> I am glad I am too tall to hook
18:10  * Guerillero is a lock
18:10 < Tony_Sidaway> So ladies, if your fanny pack goes missing in the scrum, look out for the hooker.
18:10 < IShadowed__> ..
18:10 < WhiskerBiscuit> ha
18:11 < IShadowed__> what if I AM the hooker
18:11 < Fluffernutter> iwhut
18:11 < IShadowed__> OHHH plot twist
18:11 < Ironholds> IShadowed: there's no if
18:11 < Ironholds> you're going to be a hooker
18:11 < Ironholds> not a very SUCCESSFUL one
18:11 < Ironholds> but a hooker
18:11 < IShadowed__> wow that's terribly cold.
18:11  * Fluffernutter slips IShadowed a $20
18:11 < Ironholds> (sorry, just came back, no idea what's being discussed. I just wanted to insult IShadowed)
18:12 < IShadowed__> Flueeh will patronize me
18:12 < IShadowed__> we gon make sweet luvs
18:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Fanny pack is called "bum bag" or used to be when these awful things were popular oh about 20 years ago.
18:12 < Guerillero> I am trying to figure out if IH was discussing rugger
18:12 < Ironholds> oh god, I did not need that image
18:12 < Fluffernutter> s'ok Ironholds, she knows midgets have to just tall people harshly
18:12 < WhiskerBiscuit> Fluffer, what do you get for $20?
18:12 < Guerillero> i guess not
18:12 < IShadowed__> deal with it
18:12 < Ironholds> you're like, 3 feet taller than her
18:12 < IShadowed__> yus
18:12 < Frood> WhiskerBiscuit: not a whole lot
18:12 < Ironholds> it'd be like bring your child to work day gone HORRIBLY HORRIBLY WRONG
18:12 < Tony_Sidaway> So what exactly is a "bum fight"?
18:12 < IShadowed__> lmao
18:12 < Fluffernutter> haha
18:12 < WhiskerBiscuit> any-ting u want
18:12  * Fluffernutter hugs Ironholds and IShadowed
18:13  * Ironholds hugs Fluffernutter and IShadowed's left knee
18:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds not that horibly probably
18:13 < WhiskerBiscuit> bum fights are people paying hobos to fight
18:13 < Ironholds> technically Fluffernutter, and IShadowed's left knee
18:13 < Tony_Sidaway> I always had this pictureque idea of people slamming their arses together and shouting "bum fight"
18:13 < yutsi> hooker's are gross
18:13 < Fluffernutter> lol Tony_Sidaway
18:13 < yutsi> *hookers
18:13 < Ironholds> for the first sentence to parse you'd need to share a knee joint
18:13 < WhiskerBiscuit> and they record and upload them
18:13 < Fredddie> haha
18:13 < Frood> yutsi: hookers' what?
18:13 < Fluffernutter> yutsi: misused apostrophes are gros's
18:13 < yutsi> See correction^
18:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway why isnt that an olympic track?
18:13 < Ironholds> yutsi: which you'd know given your extensive experience of paid sex
18:13 < Tony_Sidaway> But it turns out to have been something very nasty. Paying poor people to demean themselves.
18:13 < Ironholds> but, I agree. you ARE gross.
18:13 < yutsi> Ironholds: Stfu
18:13 < Ironholds> ooh, nice comeback
18:14 < LtNOWIS> I don't think hooker is a common term in the business.
18:14 < Ironholds> I think I'm bleeding a bit here.
18:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> Calling someone a whore isnt nice
18:14 < LtNOWIS> People prefer "escort" as a euphemism
18:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> whores provide a valuable service
18:14 < Frood> WhiskerBiscuit: but stating facts is okay
18:14 < yutsi> Ironholds: I don't know how to respond, b/c the statement was so blatantly wrong
18:14 < Ironholds> WhiskerBiscuit: up to 5 different services! depends how much you pay.
18:14 < WhiskerBiscuit> i just mean the word shouldnt be an insult
18:14 < Fredddie> at the store where I work, we used to have a hobo come by who wore a pro-wrestling championship belt
18:14 < Ironholds> yutsi: that would be because it was sarcasm.
18:15 < yutsi> Ironholds: [[WP:SARCASM]]
18:15  * IShadowed__ returns
18:15 < Tony_Sidaway> So many people say "hookers are gross", but you know they are responding to a seller's market. So who is gross?
18:15 < Frood> yutsi: [[WP:THISISNTWIKIPEDIA]]
18:15 < IShadowed__> WP:SUCKMYDICK
18:15 < yutsi> Frood: [[WP:DGAF]]
18:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[WP
18:15 < IShadowed__> ToAruShiroiNeko in inadequate
18:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[WP:GOF***YOURSELF]]
18:15 < IShadowed__> is*
18:15 < IShadowed__> :(
18:15 < LtNOWIS> it really depends on the individual
18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[WP:GOF***YOURSELFHARDER]]
18:16 < Fluffernutter> [[WP:IMMASTARTBREAKINGHEADSIFYOUGUYSDONTBEHAVE]]
18:16 < yutsi> Guys, you have to cite actual pages on wikipedia
18:16 < Ironholds> mow there's another mental image I didn't need
18:16 < Tony_Sidaway> It's not the size of the template, it's how you use it.
18:16 < IShadowed__> WP:UNLUBEDASSRAPE
18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[WP:FLUFFNUTTERHASSPOKEN]]
18:16 < Fluffernutter> mine should be a redir to ANI
18:16 < Frood> Fluffernutter: i'm terribly tempted to redirect that to the blocking policy page
18:16 < yutsi> fluffernutter: [[WP:POOP]]
18:16  * ToAruShiroiNeko may redirect that to aniu
18:16 < Fluffernutter> lol Frood
18:16 < IShadowed__> Fluffernutter, no, no, mine should be..
18:16 < BarkingFish> On a totally different subject, does anyone know what template we use for collapsing a topic or something?
18:16 < Peter-C> Any admin wanan be awesome :3
18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[WP:OMG]]
18:16 < WhiskerBiscuit> <collapse?
18:16 < Fluffernutter> BarkingFish: to collapse, or just to mark off as archived?
18:16 < Guerillero> {{hat}}
18:16 < yutsi> [[WP:STFU]]
18:16 < Guerillero> {{hab}}
18:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Avoid unnecessary jargon!?
18:17 < BarkingFish> to collapse it, Fluffernutter
18:17 < IShadowed__> God yutsi is such a virgin
18:17 < BarkingFish> thanks Guerillero
18:17 < Fluffernutter> Guerillero has it, I think
18:17 < Ironholds> mine would be WP:JABBERWOCK
18:17 < yutsi> IM GONNA K-LINE ALL YOUR ASSES
18:17 < Ironholds> I think we all know it
18:17 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: collapse top/collapse bottom I seem to recall.
18:17 < Ironholds> yutsi: sorry, you work for freenode now?
18:17 < Ironholds> no? then, no.
18:17 < Fluffernutter> Ironholds, they still don't want to see your vorpal sword
18:17 < yutsi> .KLINE IShadowed__
18:17 < Ironholds> also, my ass doesn't have an IRC client
18:17 < IShadowed__> do it
18:17 < IShadowed__> ohwait
18:17 < yutsi> fine, g-line
18:17 < IShadowed__> you can't
18:17 < Ironholds> I could swallow a USB pen containing one
18:17 < Ironholds> and then my ass would briefly have an IRC client
18:17 < Frood> Fluffernutter: well, if I did I have a feeling people will get pissy at me
18:17 < yutsi> .mute IShadowed__
18:17 < Ironholds> but it wouldn't be networked
18:17 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: nobody ever does.
18:18 < Ironholds> yutsi, either put her on ignore or shut the hell up posturing.
18:18 < yutsi> posturing?
18:18 < Frood> oh hey guys
18:18 < yutsi> ohai2u
18:18 < Ironholds> if we can see your damn commands, you're not inputting the commands.
18:18 < IShadowed__> he's too scared
18:18 < Fredddie> I thought I had a picture of that hobo with the belt
18:18 < yutsi> lol
18:18 < Frood> watch out, yutsi knows simple ircd commands that aren't even the correct syntax
18:18 < IShadowed__> lmao
18:18 < Ironholds> Frood: OH NOES
18:18 < Guerillero> :D
18:18 < yutsi> Frood: You got it. :D
18:18 < Ironholds> you realise what he can do with that kind of power?!
18:18 < Fluffernutter> sigh
18:18 < Ironholds> he can futilely fill our channel with junk!
18:18 < IShadowed__> Fluffernutter, hushu
18:18 < Ironholds> WOMEN AND CHILDREN OUT FIRST, THERE'S NO SAVING US.
18:18 < Maryana> why's everyone so riled up today?
18:18 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
18:18 < BarkingFish> those links are redirects
18:18 < IShadowed__> lmao
18:18 < Frood> Ironholds: He can set up his own IRC network with nobody and kline them all!
18:18 < IShadowed__> <3
18:18 < yutsi> Yeah, and next I'll post ASCII art genitalia. lol
18:18  * Fluffernutter hides behind Maryana
18:19 < Fluffernutter> nice them to death, Maryana!
18:19 < jorm> i dunno.
18:19 < BarkingFish> i just imported redirects, i gotta use the right names for them
18:19 < Ironholds> Maryana: it's 2am and I have literally nothing to do but make fun of yutsi
18:19  * IShadowed__ is lying here gigglefitting madly
18:19 < Guerillero> thanks barkingfigh
18:19 < Ironholds> except build furniture.
18:19 < IShadowed__> stopits
18:19 < Frood> Maryana: Somebody russled this channel's jimmies.
18:19 < yutsi> lol
18:19 < jorm> my wife went to seattle this morning, so i'm in a a bad mood.
18:19  * Ironholds hugs jorm
18:19 < yutsi> WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
18:19 < Ironholds> I mean, not actually hug you. because you scare the bejesus out of me.
18:19 < Ironholds> but, y'know.
18:19 < IShadowed__> your wife is banging Shirik|Ghost, then. That's what happens when people go to Seattle
18:19 < Fluffernutter> Frood: i'm usually fairly up on memes but the whole "rustle my jimmies" thing totally escapes me
18:19 < Tony_Sidaway> So two litres of coffee and you on this channel are supposed to keep me awake until the Curiosity landing?
18:19 < Ironholds> IShadowed: that seems unlikely.
18:19 < Ironholds> his wife is very nice
18:19 < Maryana> everybody cool it. or i will do exactly nothing.
18:19 < IShadowed__> cold
18:19 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't think I'll make it.
18:19 < yutsi> Frood: Stop rustlin' our jimmies!
18:20 < Fredddie> how long until the landing?
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18:20 < yutsi> 2 hours
18:20 < yutsi> +10 mins
18:20 < Ironholds> is that what the kids are calling it these days>
18:20 < Ironholds> ?
18:20 < yutsi> calling what?
18:20 < IShadowed__> sex.
18:20 < Tony_Sidaway> No it's more like four hours I think.
18:20 < Fredddie> I'm married, there's no landing to be not spoken of
18:20 < BarkingFish> rut-roh... We haz problemz
18:20 < IShadowed__> you wouldn't know, 10 year olds are too young
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18:20 < BarkingFish> I'm trying to import from enwp, and getting the foundation error - read timeout or something
18:21 < yutsi> IShadowed__: Are you going to WIkimania?
18:21 < Ironholds> yutsi, you've already goddamn met her at the last one.
18:21 < IShadowed__> next year? No. I was at this previous one. And met you.
18:21 < yutsi> yeah i know
18:21 < Ironholds> I'll be there!
18:21 < Ironholds> it should be fun
18:21 < Ironholds> s/fun/stupidly hot/g
18:21 < Frood> Ironholds: take me?
18:21 < Ironholds> like, seriously, can we hold it somewhere cold already?
18:21 < Ironholds> Frood: I'm flattered, but you're not my type.
18:21 < BarkingFish> 0.0
18:21 < yutsi> Then I'm gonna go to Harrisburg and... huggle your pet or something
18:21 < Tony_Sidaway> yutsi: you actually have met people on this channel?
18:21 < Frood> iowa is pretty cold the winter
18:21 < IShadowed__> have fun
18:21 < Frood> have wikimania in the winter and in iowa
18:21 < Ironholds> but it's IOWA.
18:21 < BarkingFish> Frood, I never knew you were that way inclined :P
18:21 < Fluffernutter> I'd settle for somehwhere where it's not 100F and 99% humidity
18:22 < yutsi> And if you don't own a pet, I'll wipe my shoes on your doormat
18:22 < Fredddie> hey, I'm in Iowa
18:22 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: scotland
18:22 < Frood> Fredddie: nowai
18:22 < Fluffernutter> yuss
18:22 < Fredddie> srsly
18:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I've known ToAruShiroiNeko online for 7 years and we've never met!
18:22 < yutsi> Tony_Sidaway: Yeah, at Wikimania.
18:22 < jorm> hong kong will be cool and with low humidity.
18:22  * Fluffernutter pictures jorm taking on glaswegian barkeeps, grins
18:22 < yutsi> Tony_Sidaway: Were you at Wikimania?
18:22 < Ironholds> seriously. I can see see it now.
18:22 < Frood> Where in IA?
18:22 < Ironholds> WIKIMANIA ABBOTS DEUGLIE
18:22 < Fredddie> Des Moines
18:22 < Ironholds> or we could hold it in Killiecrankie
18:22 < Frood> ooh
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18:23 < Frood> I was going to head there this weekend, but decided not to at the last moment
18:23 < yutsi> IShadowed__:Just give me your coordinates
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18:23 < Tony_Sidaway> yutsi: no, I helped to arrange the first London meet, but a whole bunch of geeks and nerds showed up so I haven't been back in 7 years.
18:23 < yutsi> ah
18:23 < yutsi> lol
18:23 < yutsi> Sounds right
18:23 < IShadowed__> no thanks, I don't fuck kids
18:23 < Ironholds> yutsi: I'd say "that sounded less creepy and stalky in your head", but, well, it probably didn't.
18:23 < yutsi> lol
18:23 < WhiskerBiscuit> [[WP:PMF]]
18:23 < Tony_Sidaway> I just hate meeting people like me. I am enough geek for one lifetime.
18:24 < yutsi> I just wanted to get her doormat dirty!
18:24 < WhiskerBiscuit> nice
18:24 < Frood> "dirty"...
18:24 < yutsi> lol
18:24 < yutsi> That sounds more like innuendo than i meant it to
18:24 < Frood> no it doesn't
18:24 < IShadowed__> Yeah..
18:24 < Frood> you meant for it to sound that way and we all know it
18:24 < yutsi> IShadowed__'s not attractive.
18:25 < IShadowed__> says yutsi
18:25 < Tony_Sidaway> I hate it when people get my doormat dirty.
18:25 < yutsi> i acknowledge my unattractiveness
18:25 < yutsi> lol
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18:25 < Tony_Sidaway> Can't they use the scraper outside?
18:25 < Frood> pretty sure that's not how you'll get a girlfriend.
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18:25 < Fluffernutter> You will all stop talking, drink some tea, and eat some cookies. And then come back able to speak like real people.
18:25 < yutsi> Frood: What do you mean?
18:25 < IShadowed__> Flueeh shove it
18:25 < Frood> as your userpage suggests you like
18:25 < WhiskerBiscuit> here is the secret to what girls want
18:26 < Tony_Sidaway> I must get some coffee.
18:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> sincerity
18:26 < yutsi> Fluffernutter: I think you need to be more assertive
18:26 < yutsi> they want abs
18:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> and a big cock
18:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> :D
18:26  * Dragonfly6-7 passes Fluffernutter the chainsaw
18:26 < Fluffernutter> heh
18:26 < IShadowed__> medium.
18:26 < IShadowed__> Medium.
18:26 < Peter-C> Dragonfly6-7 - wanna help me with something :3
18:26 < Fredddie> WhiskerBiscuit: ding ding
18:26 < yutsi> Medium cock is fail cock
18:26 < IShadowed__> no.
18:26 < yutsi> I'm just not muscular at all.
18:26 < IShadowed__> medium is yes-you-can-put-that-in-me-without-killing-me cock
18:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> yeah, shadowed is correct
18:27 < yutsi> IShadowed__: I thought you were lesbian, anyways.
18:27 < Guerillero> off the subject
18:27 < IShadowed__> no.
18:27 < yutsi> Oh
18:27 < yutsi> kk
18:27 < yutsi> ...
18:27 < IShadowed__> I'm a whore. Bi.
18:27 < yutsi> ohhhhhhh
18:27  * IShadowed__ samples them all
18:27 < Frood> ...what
18:27 < Dragonfly6-7> Peter-C - not particularly, but what is it?
18:27 < Frood> for some reason this Netgear Genie app
18:27 < Frood> has a QR code scanner
18:27 < Frood> not for anything in particular
18:28 < Frood> just a general scanner
18:28 < Peter-C> Dragonfly6-7 - a quick moving of an article to mainspace
18:28 < yutsi> btw Frood: You stalk my userpage? :O
18:28 < The_Thing> 4 more hours
18:28 < IShadowed__> no..
18:28 < Peter-C> The article is already created BUT it is a redirect
18:28 < yutsi> that userbox is alllll the way at the bottom
18:28 < Peter-C> I have a nice article ready to replace it
18:28 < Fluffernutter> whatis this thing everyone is staying awake for?
18:28 < Frood> yutsi: yes, i stalk annoying people's userpages to find out how to avoid them
18:29 < yutsi> Hey!
18:29 < Frood> Fluffernutter: new Mars Rover landing
18:29 < Fluffernutter> ahh
18:29 < WhiskerBiscuit> oh yeah
18:29 < WhiskerBiscuit> what time is that
18:29 < yutsi> Frood: So, don't be a prospective girlfriend. And be ultra-conservative
18:29 < ceradon> dafuq
18:29 < Fredddie> who is covering the landing?
18:29 < WhiskerBiscuit> And the new rover will be playing porn
18:29 < Dragonfly6-7> Frood - it landed intact?!
18:29 < Frood> Dragonfly6-7: it hasn't landed yet.
18:29 < Fluffernutter> Frood is my prospective girlfriend
18:29 < IShadowed__> ...
18:29 < Frood> TIL I'm a female.
18:29 < yutsi> Isn't Frood a dude?
18:29 < IShadowed__> HEY
18:30 < yutsi> lol
18:30 < ceradon> ...
18:30 < IShadowed__> bitch.
18:30 < Fluffernutter> IShadowed is my already-girlfriend
18:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> Frood not a d00d
18:30 < Frood> i dunno, pretty sure I have a penis.
18:30 < IShadowed__> oh, ok
18:30 < Fluffernutter> also i might marry this riesling
18:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> thats a giant clit
18:30 < IShadowed__> this is now acceptable
18:30 < yutsi> Frood: If you're only pretty sure that means that it's too small. [[Micropenis]]
18:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> 30 minutes to breaking bad..
18:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> screw the olympics tonight
18:30 < The_Thing> http://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=qSnoitsXpF0&s=802&e=826
18:30 < Frood> no personal attacks pls
18:30 < BarkingFish> ok Guerillero - I need your help.. If hat and hab are supposed to close a discussion and collapse it, it's not working.
18:30 < yutsi> not personal attack
18:31 < Guerillero> oh
18:31 < yutsi> its an actual medical issue
18:31 < Guerillero> link please
18:31 < BarkingFish> Yeah, it's not on enwp - but if you can help, I'd appreciate it - http://tpi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Haus_bilong_toktok#Notification_to_community_for_opt-out_of_Global_Sysop_program
18:31 < BarkingFish> Don't worry, it's in english
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18:32 < WhiskerBiscuit> jesus.. YRC EW on his rfc?
18:32 < BarkingFish> i imported the whole thing - hat and hab, and all associated and transcluded templates from enwp in one go
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18:32 < Guerillero> hmm
18:32 < Guerillero> I don't know
18:32 < Guerillero> it works here
18:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> BarkingFish: find out what wiki version they are using
18:33 < NEWLIFE> HI ALL
18:33 < Frood> HI NEWLIFE
18:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> hi capslock user
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18:33 < ceradon> ...
18:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> err NEWLIFE
18:33 < ceradon> hi NEWLIFE
18:34 -!- Frood is now known as BILLYMAYS
18:34 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, 1.20wmf8
18:34 < BILLYMAYS> oh.
18:34 < Fluffernutter> so many caps
18:34 < BILLYMAYS> i meant to do /ns info
18:34 < BILLYMAYS> but this works
18:34 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: I do or used to do a vast amount of hatting and collapsing on various talk pages but you never get used to it. If in doubt I look for a contentious talk page and look at how they do it there.
18:34 -!- ceradon is now known as CERADON
18:34 < CERADON> Mhmmm
18:34 -!- BILLYMAYS is now known as Frood
18:34 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, I know how to use the template, I just read our docs on it.
18:34 -!- IShadowed__ is now known as ishadowed_
18:34 < CERADON> Nah
18:34 -!- CERADON is now known as ceradon
18:35 < Frood> ishadowed_: _ should be -
18:35 -!- ishadowed_ is now known as PantyDropper
18:35 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: okay, is it fucked?
18:35 < BarkingFish> It says to use {{hat|reason=whatever|closer=whoever}} at the top, and just {{hab}} at the bottom
18:35 < PantyDropper> yes, I have this registered.
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18:35 < Guerillero> oh god
18:35 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, quite possibly.  I imported it directly from enwp using Special:Import and placed it in our Template space
18:35 < yutsi> BarkingFish, what language is that???
18:36 < Guerillero> that is the name of the aoii's jungle juice at my school
18:36 < BarkingFish> yutsi, Tok Pisin - Pidgin English creole, used in Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands
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18:37 < Fluffernutter> I think it's officialy a creole, which evolved from a pidgin. But now i have to go look it up and see if I'm right. </linguisticswank>
18:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> BarkingFish: {{hat|this shit is collapsed}}
18:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> BarkingFish: shit goes here
18:37 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: my apologies. I was missing the context in which you're using the template.
18:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> BarkingFish: {{hab}}
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18:37 < BarkingFish> WhiskerBiscuit, yeah, that's how I've used it.
18:37 < WhiskerBiscuit> BarkingFish: look at this diff.  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=505452491
18:37 < Fluffernutter> yay i was right. score one for not-forgetting-everything-i-learned-in-grad-school
18:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> Got nothing then.  Maybe they don't have their templates installed
18:38 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: no doubt you've checked the source of the template to see what other templates it needs.
18:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> or theones you are using
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18:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> Fluffernutter: I've only used stuff from one course in grad school
18:38 < WhiskerBiscuit> SQL queries was a good class
18:38 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, on Special:Import, there's an option to tick to include all pages used by the template
18:39 < BarkingFish> So it autoimports everything the template either uses or has transcluded to it
18:39 < BarkingFish> I am however, going to import Collapse top and bottom as well
18:40 < BarkingFish> brb#
18:41 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: there may be some other parameters of the destination wiki that override normal behaviour. Remember that pagespace references may not match up (no idea how template import handles that).
18:41 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:41 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: also: mediawiki version number.
18:42 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, 1.20wmf8
18:42 < BarkingFish> which iirc is the latest one
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18:42 < BarkingFish> that's collapse top done, just bottom to get now and i'll try again
18:43 < BarkingFish> and that's bottom in
18:43 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: excellent work!
18:44 -!- Jmajeremy|Away is now known as Jmajeremy
18:44 < BarkingFish> and collapse doesn't work either.
18:44 < BarkingFish> Myxzptlk.
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18:45 < BarkingFish> Fuck on a flagpole.
18:45  * BarkingFish headdesks and kicks his pc
18:47 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: well let's go back to first principles: these templates work by manipulating the visibility of CSS classes, usually.
18:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fuck on a flagpole? interesting idea
18:47 < Tony_Sidaway> So you need to look at what your browser is telling you about the CSS state of the English Wikipedis pages and the destination pages.
18:48 < BarkingFish> I have no idea how to do that whatsoever Tony_Sidaway
18:48 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: depends on your browser.
18:48 -!- PantyDropper is now known as IShadowed_
18:49 < Tony_Sidaway> But also bear in mind that the root problem is the way the wiki in question arranges its CSS stylesheets. So delving into the enwiki stylesheets and the equivalents on other wikis will help.
18:50 < Tony_Sidaway> But seriously at this point you need to go to #mediawiki and ask for pointers.
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18:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
18:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> BarkingFish->#mediawiki
18:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> proper use of pointers :3
18:51 < IDoH> Hey guys
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18:52 < IDoH> hey ktr
18:53 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: brief backgrounder: you can change the visibility of a bit of test by preceding it with "this is a heap of text I want to have a certain class" and followint it with "this is the end of that heap of text". And in the stylesheet, the class in question is set to have visibility:none.
18:54 -!- Antonorsi is now known as Anto|away
18:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH so you think friendship is magic?
18:54 < IDoH> Uhm, no, lol
18:54 < Tony_Sidaway> In some versions you provide a link enabling the reader to toggle visibility but that's just a slight variation. The main thing is that you need to control visibility through CSS classes.
18:54 < IDoH> You a brony?
18:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nop
18:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you dream of horses after all
18:55 < diegogrez_> poto
18:55 < IDoH> Oh, okay, lol
18:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> see what I did there?
18:56 < IDoH> What did you do?
18:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no clue
18:56 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, A thought then- would that be covered by mediawiki Global CSS and Global JS?
18:57 < Tony_Sidaway> Curiosity Rover (BBC): "Touch-down is expected at 05:31 GMT (06:31 BST) Monday 6 August; 22:31 PDT, Sunday 5 August."
18:57 < BarkingFish> it might be physicially possible for me to nick enwp's Global CSS and Global JS files, and add them
18:57 < Tony_Sidaway> Sorry ToAruShiroiNeko, it's going to be a few hours yet. My clock says 0257 BST here.
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18:58 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: it's been years since I looked at Mediawiki CSS layout structure. Ask a software expert on the appropriate channel.
18:58 < purplebackpack89> luciferwildcat is still here?
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19:01 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: if at all possible, create a local instance of mediawiki and try out any experiments there. Stylesheet changes can radically alter the way a website works, so please test before applying to a public wiki.
19:02 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, I can't really do that here.  Last time I set up a wiki it took me 4 days and a trip to the doctors. Won't be doing that again in a hurry :)
19:03 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: well maybe you need some technical help. I used to run a local mediawiki instance on my rather old second-hand laptop back when laptops weren't very powerful.
19:04 < BarkingFish> I'm asking in #mediawiki
19:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Good man.
19:04 < BarkingFish> assuming that anyone in there is awake
19:05 < Guerillero> its only 10 PM est
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19:05 < BarkingFish> yeah, but it's gone 3AM here
19:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Is Lady Gage participating in the Olympics? And if not, why not?
19:06 < Guerillero> i assume most programers for mediawiki are from the us
19:06 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, yes. She's the springboard in the lady's gymnastics. or at least, i hope so
19:06 < jeremyb> BarkingFish: did you get philippe?
19:07 < BarkingFish> jeremyb, no, I didn't. I just wanted to direct him or some of the stewards who spoke about my request at tpi.wikipedia concerning global sysops
19:07 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: you're in the UK? ToAruShiroiNeko are you still in Europe or somewhere? It's one of those funny things. Americans often get scarce in late evening their time.
19:07 < BarkingFish> I've closed the discussion, a coupla weeks late, as "Proposal did not succeed"
19:07 < Guerillero> i am in the states
19:08 < Tony_Sidaway> And obviously very wide awake!
19:08 < BarkingFish> I think you discussed it with me on meta, didn't you, jeremyb?
19:09 < Fluffernutter> philippe is on holiday, i believe
19:09 < Soapy> http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1724.jpg
19:09 < jeremyb> BarkingFish: doubt it. i just looked at some of #wikimedia-stewards backscroll
19:09 < Soapy> joyoftech.com has a comic about the Mars rover now
19:10 < jeremyb> Fluffernutter: orly
19:10 < jeremyb> BarkingFish: anyway, sounds like something that can wait for a monday ;)
19:10 < jeremyb> BarkingFish: you could try maggie too
19:11 < jeremyb> BarkingFish: also, can't the stewards just handle it themselves?
19:11 < BarkingFish> nah, it's not that urgent.
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19:11 < BarkingFish> It's fine, I had quite a heated debate with some of the stewards, and had a pop at Philippe too - so I wanted to clear up and let them know I accepted their pov and didn't proceed any further
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19:12 < BarkingFish> you can see what i said to him, and admittedly, I was not polite, even by my standards. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#Re:_tpi.wikipedia-_your_message_in_the_Local_pub_.28Bung_ples.29
19:12 < BarkingFish> i want to tidy shit up, and move on
19:13 < jeremyb> heh
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19:14 < Peter-C> yutsi - [[damage control surgery]]
19:14 < yutsi> cool
19:15 < yutsi> Cool essay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/Willy_on_Wheels:A_Case_Study
19:16 < yutsi> I'll rate the article
19:16 < Ironholds> oh, Oceansize
19:16 < Ironholds> why did you have to break up.
19:16 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: yeah, he's officially sans-office
19:16 < Ironholds> however, Maggie is still here if people wish to direct queries her way
19:16 < Ironholds> I am thankfully the liaison who gets to deal with dull stuff ;p
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19:17 < Fluffernutter> poor maggie :P
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19:17 < Ironholds> eh, she signed up for it
19:18 < jeremyb> Ironholds: she only signed up for the morning shift, right? ;-)
19:19 < Ironholds> ...no? she does the job full time.
19:19 < Ironholds> despite having similar job titles we do completely different things 80 percent of the time.
19:20 -!- Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away
19:20 < geniice> that reminds me. I need to find out if the welsh have made contact with the devs
19:20 < Ironholds> "the welsh"?
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19:21 < geniice> cy.wikipedia
19:21 < geniice> they need pending changes switched on
19:23 < Ironholds> ahh
19:26 < Ironholds> who did you send them to?
19:26 < Fluffernutter> they did, but the devs figured someone had gotten drunk and just smashed their forehead on the keyboard based on the letters they used :P
19:26 < jeremyb> Ironholds: i mean philippe gets later in the day and she gets earlier. generally; not necessarily strictly followed
19:26 < Ironholds> jeremyb: well, no, because philippe is on holiday
19:26 < geniice> Ironholds various but I suggested that you would know who to talk to
19:26 < Ironholds> this is why we are having this conversation
19:26 < jeremyb> Ironholds: sure
19:26 < Ironholds> geniice: they ain't talked to me
19:26 < Ironholds> but they should ping jforrester@wikimedia.org
19:26 < geniice> Ironholds hmm followup time then
19:26 < Ironholds> tubby hippy fuck is the guy handling PC
19:26 < Fluffernutter> ooh he's gonna get you for that
19:26 < Ironholds> what's he going to do, fall on me?
19:26 < Ironholds> offer me his hookah?
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