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Session Start: Fri Jan 06 15:49:37 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[15:49] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[15:49] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests:�'
�03[15:49] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:23
[15:49] #wikipedia-en url is
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[15:50] <chavrsi> Scanning channel for targets to spam: Fluffernutter, juancarlos, Pilif12p, Peter-C
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�03[15:50] * Thehelpfulone sets mode: +b-o *!* Thehelpfulone
�03[15:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +o log
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[15:50] <juancarlos> I don't know what happened.
[15:50] <PeterSymonds> You know, the the present climate, "log" might not be a brilliant nick. ;-p
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[15:50] <Fluff|tardis> lol
[15:50] <juancarlos> log is op'd and logging!
[15:50] <log> Hmm, good point. ;P
�08[15:50] * derp gets the trusty spam shield
[15:51] <PeterSymonds> in the *
[15:51] <Anvandare> present climate?
[15:51] <log> There is much humidity.
�08[15:51] <derp> i laid out a hug log and it was smelly.
[15:51] <PeterSymonds> Rain and wind in the east.
[15:51] <juancarlos> hurricane-like winds in londonshire
[15:51] <Fluff|tardis> dammit people every time i think i'm getting back to my tv show, something happens on here >:(
[15:51] <Shirik> TV is a curse
[15:51] <Thehelpfulone> Fluff|tardis: do you get pinged when someone ops up? :O
[15:51] <Thehelpfulone> what episode are you watching out of interest?
[15:52] <Fluff|tardis> Daleks in Manhattan
�12[15:52] -Prodego:#wikipedia-en- Hey #wikipedia-en residents. We're considering banning the IRC gateway IRCCloud, because of its potential for abuse. If you have any comments or objections to this, please join #wikimedia-ops and let us know!
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[15:52] <log> Prodego: ...
�06[15:52] * GorillaWarfare just registered for PAX East :3
[15:52] <Shirik> really?
[15:52] <Shirik> I will probably be judging there :D
[15:53] <GorillaWarfare> Ooh, that's cool!
[15:53] <Shirik> I did PAX Prime last year
[15:54] <Fluff|tardis> Shirik is so judgmental like that
[15:54] <Rcsprinter> Shirik: the wiki one
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[15:55] <Fluff|tardis> log, come down from there
[15:55] <Shirik> "wiki one"?
[15:55] <log> I like it up here. :(
[15:55] <juancarlos> DEFCON
[15:55] <Shirik> oh
[15:55] <Shirik> I totally had forgotten about that discussion :P
[15:55] <Shirik> I have an extremely short term memory
[15:55] <Shirik> I run on Windows
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�06[15:56] * Fluff|tardis tackles sonia
[15:56] <sonia> Fluff|tardis is the doctor?
�08[15:56] * derp shields sonia from Fluff|tardis's germs.
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[15:57] <sonia> noez
�06[15:57] * sonia wants to travel in tardis
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�12[15:57] -hojyv:#wikipedia-en- Have you seen Prodego fucking toddlers? I have... And oh my, ban him!
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�03[15:57] * Fluff|tardis sets mode: +r
[15:57] <PeterSymonds> Can we just +r.
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[15:57] <juancarlos> yes
�06[15:58] * Fluff|tardis read your mind
[15:58] <Shirik> (12:57:07)  -› ChanServ (+oo) Thehelpfulone Shirik
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�08[15:58] <derp> PeterSymonds wished for it and did it.
[15:58] <Shirik> that was interesting
[15:58] <Thogo> :( I missed it.
[15:58] <Thogo> but hello, nevertheless.
�08[15:59] * derp gives Fluff|tardis a bottle of purell.
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[16:03] <Sven_Manguard> Anyone here familiar with British law?
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[16:03] <log> Hello Sven.
[16:03] <Sven_Manguard> Hey logan.
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�08[16:07] <derp> ˙ʇɐɥɔ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɯos ɹoɟ ǝɯıʇ s,ʇı ʍou
[16:07] <log> How about no.
[16:07] <Fluff|tardis> derp, don't make me cut you
[16:07] <sonia> o_o
[16:07] <juancarlos> biblically
�06[16:07] * sonia hugs derp  protectively.
[16:07] <Fluff|tardis> with my socni screwdriver
[16:08] <Thogo> you forgot the dots on the i, derp.
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�08[16:10] * derp ˙ןɐǝs ʞɔoןpɐǝp ɐ ɥʇıʍ ɟןǝsɯıɥ sʇɔǝʇoɹd
[16:10] <Thogo> what language is that?
�08[16:11] <derp> english
�08[16:11] <derp> upside down
[16:11] <Thogo> no
[16:11] <Fluff|tardis> derp, no. srsly.
[16:11] <Thogo> it's absolutely no English.
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[16:12] <BarkingFish> Thogo - it's english written in part of the Unicode charset, and it's fucking annoying :P
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�08[16:12] * derp makes Peter-C kiss Fluff|tardis
[16:12] <Thehelpfulone> it is, "protects himself with a deadlock seal" in strange characters :P
[16:12] <BarkingFish> Get a mirror :)
[16:12] <Peter-C> Ew
[16:12] <Peter-C> she has cooties
[16:12] <Soapy> some people cant read upside down
[16:13] <BarkingFish> Soapy: some people don't want to read upside down either, eye strain is a pain in the ass :P
[16:13] <Thogo> I can, but that was not real English. ;) Something was completely mixed up there.
[16:13] <Soapy> some people, like me, will read upside-down text without trying
[16:13] <Soapy> I remember children's puzzle books with the answers written upside down on the same page
[16:13] <BarkingFish> yeah, he pasted something in the wrong place. I see "lock sealf with a deadlprotects himse" :)
[16:13] <Soapy> I alwaus had to cover them up because if i didnt I would read the answers without trying to
[16:14] <Soapy> BarkingFish: oh?
[16:14] <Soapy> must be a right-to-left issue
[16:14] <Soapy> it looks fine to me
[16:14] <Thogo> yes, that's what I see, too
[16:14] <Soapy> ˙ןɐǝs ʞɔoןpɐǝp ɐ ɥʇıʍ ɟןǝsɯıɥ sʇɔǝʇoɹd
[16:14] <Soapy> does that also appear wrong?
[16:14] <Thogo> yes
[16:14] <Soapy> I just copypasted
[16:14] <BarkingFish> yeah, there's an rtl mark in the wrong place
[16:14] <BarkingFish> yes
[16:14] <matthewrbowker> Soapy: Looks fine to me.
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[16:15] <Thogo> yes, the upside down l is a Hebrew character, isn't it?
[16:15] <BarkingFish> just a thought, Soapy and matthewrbowker - what charset are you using on IRC?
[16:15] <BarkingFish> I'm running IRC Hybrid (Latin1/Unicode)
�06[16:16] * matthewrbowker has Chatzilla.  UTF-8 I think
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[16:16] <BarkingFish> right. Give me a sec while I do some jiggery pokery here.
[16:16] <BarkingFish> can you repaste that line for me, Soapy, please?
[16:17] <Soapy> Im on mIRC
[16:17] <Soapy> I dont think it really supports "charsets"
[16:17] <Soapy> it just takes what it gets
[16:17] <Soapy> but it's Unicode-capable
[16:17] <Soapy> ˙ןɐǝs ʞɔoןpɐǝp ɐ ɥʇıʍ ɟןǝsɯıɥ sʇɔǝʇoɹd
[16:17] <BarkingFish> nope, even running UTF 8 I see it incorrectly
[16:17] <Thogo> +1
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[16:19] <matthewrbowker> That's strange.  I see it perfectly.
[16:19] <SpeakFree> Checkout this:
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[16:20] <BarkingFish> I'll show you what I see, maybe someone can figure out why
[16:21] <matthewrbowker> SpeakFree: Holy cow, have you asked for protection?
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[16:21] <SpeakFree> I'll take it to AN/I
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[16:22] <BarkingFish> matthewrbowker:  look at the 5th line posted by Soapy and you'll see what I get from that post
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[16:22] <BarkingFish> shit. Shouldn't have posted that
[16:23] <log> BarkingFish...
[16:23] <BarkingFish> I just realised that essentially, that's a public log. Oh bugger
[16:23] <log> No public logging, please.
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[16:23] <BarkingFish> log - way ahead of you
[16:23] <Thogo> ^^
[16:23] <BarkingFish> It was intended as a screenshot to show a problem, not as a log
[16:24] <Peter-C> Public logging!? BAN-IN-ATE
[16:24] <Voltorb> yawn
[16:24] <matthewrbowker> BarkingFish: Hmmm... yeah, it's definitely a RTL problem.  Maybe each client handles that differently...
[16:24] <Thogo> I'm using Xchat.
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[16:27] <BarkingFish> Thogo: same here
[16:27] <Voltorb> ohai
[16:27] <BarkingFish> Peter-C: by all means, if you feel I should be banned, you're welcome to request it, since I disapprove of public logging so strongly, I should have thought first.
[16:28] <Voltorb> also, i thought  i made it clear to lenovo support that i did /not/ want them to touch my hard drive
[16:28] <Peter-C> O_o
[16:28] <Peter-C> I was kidding :P
[16:28] <Voltorb> they decided to reimage the HDD...
[16:28] <Thehelpfulone> BarkingFish: do you have an imgur account?
[16:29] <BarkingFish> Thehelpfulone: no
[16:29] <BarkingFish> I post directly, what I've done is filed a "request deletion" stating the reason why
[16:29] <Thehelpfulone> hmm, well the image has been deleted
[16:29] <BarkingFish> i'll open one though
[16:30] <Peter-C> this is not the end of the world...
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[16:30] <BarkingFish> excellent - log ^^
�06[16:30] * Thehelpfulone agrees
[16:30] <Soapy> well lets be real
[16:30] <Thogo> imgur is Akkadian. Means "he agreed"
[16:30] <Soapy> public logging and what barkingfish did are different
[16:30] <Thehelpfulone> to the not the end of the world bit
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[16:30] <matthewrbowker> Soapy: Yes, they kindof are
[16:30] <Thehelpfulone> it's been removed now, problem sorted.
[16:31] <Soapy> what was it, anyway? like 5 lines?
[16:31] <Hurricanefan25> Lgdp *sigh*
[16:31] <BarkingFish> doesn't matter, it's still technically a public log Soapy :)
[16:31] <matthewrbowker> Like 10.  Three joins/parts, five of you, and two of me.
[16:32] <Soapy> ok
[16:32] <Soapy> anyway, I signed a pledge once saying that posting of things I said is OK
[16:32] <BarkingFish> got an account with imgur now, Thehelpfulone - so I can send all my stuff there now.
[16:33] <Thehelpfulone> I meant - you can delete images you upload yourself :)
[16:34] <Soapy> Thogo is Thogo@wikimedia/Thogo * Dumu-min Mušen-kugsigak  <--- that is quite an interesting name you have
[16:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> In the beginning there was darkness, then... BANG.
[16:34] <Thogo> Soapy: it's the Sumerian translation of my real name, well sort of. ;)
[16:34] <Soapy> ok
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[16:53] <Sven_Manguard> Anyone here familiar with British law?
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[16:54] <Pilif12p> Sven_Manguard, ironholds is, but he's not on now.
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[16:55] <Mitchazenia> Yeah Ironholds is your best shot
[16:56] <Mitchazenia> Considering I've argued British and American law with him in the past
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[16:57] <Sven_Manguard> Yeah, but he's asleep
[16:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I did say bang
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[16:58] <petan> Thehelpfulone, matthewrbowker
[16:58] <petan> you can even insert whole categories of pages
[16:58] <petan> that's ok
[16:58] <petan> please don't insert more than 50 000 pages
[16:58] <Sven_Manguard> What I need to know is this: If I have a picture in a book, and that book was published in London 1863 with the author of the image not credited, what license do I use?
[16:59] <BarkingFish> probably pd-old ?
[16:59] <PeterSymonds> PD-old. As long as you've got a source.
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[16:59] <Sven_Manguard> The source is the google scan of the book
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[16:59] <matthewrbowker> petan: OK
[17:00] <Thehelpfulone> petan: sure, I'll have a go later
[17:00] <petan> ok
[17:00] <BarkingFish> I have a good one for ya, i'd like some opinions on. How would you handle this?  I purchased some prepaid electricity a couple of days ago, the woman who served me, didn't understand me properly, she didn't speak great English.
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[17:01] <Sven_Manguard> prepaid electricity?
[17:01] <BarkingFish> I asked her for £13 and she put £30 on my keycard.  I said she'd got it wrong, so she apologised and put another £13 on the keycard, giving me £43.  Her manager was only able to take off the extra £13 (you can only reverse the last transaction)
[17:01] <BarkingFish> Sven_Manguard: yes
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[17:02] <BarkingFish> So now, I have £30 for my electricity meter, but was only able to pay £13 for it, since it was all I was carrying.  The store are demanding I pay the other £17 and I've told them to [censored] off.
[17:02] <BarkingFish> It's their mistake, and I'm not fixing it for them :)
[17:03] <Sven_Manguard> Don't get arrested.
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[17:03] <BarkingFish> Sven_Manguard: In the UK, you can have prepaid electricity.  You have a plastic key with a computer chip in it, or a card. You top them up with credit, insert them into your meter, and your power activates.
[17:03] <BarkingFish> It saves you getting billed in larger amounts than you can pay
[17:04] <the_wub> Unless you're planning to move soon, why not just pay for it now? In my experience £17 won't last /too/ long
[17:04] <BarkingFish> the_wub: the issue for me is that they made the mistake, and they're asking me to pay up for their mistake
[17:04] <the_wub> True they made a mistake, but I don't see why it
[17:05] <BarkingFish> My answer to that is "go [censored] yourself - you made the mistake, you fix it."
[17:05] <TParis> BarkingFish: I wouldn't have taken the key from them.
[17:05] <TParis> They should've made you a different key.
[17:05] <the_wub> *it's worth fighting over. But then I am British :)
[17:05] <TParis> It's worth fighting over for an American too
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[17:05] <BarkingFish> TParis: I needed to - the key is pre-assigned to the meter, any other one wouldn't have been usable without authorisation from my supplier
[17:05] <BarkingFish> without the key, I can't operate the meter
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[17:06] <TParis> BarkingFish: Then I'd write a letter, registered mail, to the store and explain that it was their mistake and you do not intend to reimburse them and you suggest that next time they better have a customer service agent who fully comprehends what is being asked of them before taking an action.  If that requires fluent English, then they better make it happen.
[17:07] <TParis> They can take the $$ out of their clerk's paycheck.
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[17:08] <BarkingFish> that works. But knowing my temper, the letter is likely to appear racist - along the lines of "if your staff can't speak english, don't employ them" which is bad, considering the people who own and run the store are from Pakistan. Imagine how that would look if it hit the press :P
[17:08] <Addihockey10> BarkingFish: lol
[17:09] <BarkingFish> "Racist Social Worker: If you can't speak English, don't work here"
[17:09] <TParis> Just use my words ;) I'll release them under CC-BY-SA 2.0, just make sure you attribute them to "Some American asshole who doesn't like to be robbed"
[17:09] <BarkingFish> I can see myself spread over the MK Citizen, then the National Press... omg they'd have a field day on my ass
[17:09] <the_wub> BarkingFish: What I'm saying is unless you're moving or changing your electricity supplier soon, you'll have to buy more electricity at some point. At which point it balances out again.
[17:10] <TParis> If it was a legitimate communication problem, then asking to be serviced in fluent English is not a racist request if you are the customer.
[17:10] <TParis> the_wub: Not the point, it's the principal of the matter and the fact that he only had 13 pounds on him at the time.
[17:10] <BarkingFish> It was legitimate. The lady who served me was from Lithuania, she didn't understand my accent, and I didn't understand hers all that well either
[17:12] <BarkingFish> The staff who usually serve me in there understand me perfectly well, she was new and may have either misheard my request or misinterpreted what I wanted, either way, not my fault.
[17:13] <the_wub> Don't get me wrong. I've had my fair share of store clerks who can't manage to communicate in English, and it's frustrating as hell.
[17:13] <BarkingFish> It reminds me of the quote from Foamy the squirrel's epic, Tech Support.  "Keep the jobs in the USA, so I can understand who I'm talking to :P"
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[17:33] <Thorncrag> whiskey tango foxtrot
[17:33] <Fluff|tardis> ?
[17:33] <BarkingFish> november oscar  india delta echo alpha :)
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[17:34] <TParis> yankee oscar mike alpha mike alpha
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�08[17:34] <derp> foxtrot uniform charlie kilo
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[17:35] <BarkingFish> Fluffernutter:
[17:35] <Fluffernutter> yeah but what was Thorncrag wtfing?
[17:35] <BarkingFish> no idea
[17:35] <TParis> helo echo yankee charlie oscar oscar lima tengo helo echo bravo alpha delta lima alpha november golf uniform alpha golf echo
[17:36] <tjf> I need some opinions for dedicated server hosting companies, has anyone ever used one that was good?
�08[17:36] <derp> Foxtrot Lima Uniform Foxtrot Foxtrot Echo Romeo November Uniform Tango Tango Echo Romeo
[17:36] <TParis> I love GoDaddy (snickers)
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�08[17:36] * derp frowns at TParis
[17:36] <BarkingFish> whisky hotel yankee  sierra hotel oscar uniform lima delta   whisky echo?
�08[17:36] <derp> get a domain in .xxx :P
[17:36] <TParis> ^^
[17:36] <Fluffernutter> is that the new "get a room"?
�08[17:36] <derp> India Alpha Golf Romeo Echo Echo Sierra India Romeo .
�08[17:37] <derp> Fluffernutter, no, it's the new .xxx domain :P
�08[17:37] <derp> is already taken.
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[17:37] <TParis> Is it rule 34 on Wikipe-tan?
[17:37] <Shirik> I'm sure that already exists
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�08[17:37] <derp> TParis, it exists actually.
�08[17:37] <derp> as many forms
[17:38] <TParis> O.o
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[17:38] <Fluffernutter> there is wikipe-tan creepiness on commons, no need to look any farther
[17:38] <tjf> Shirik, do you use dedicated hosting?
[17:38] <tjf> Ironholds, sven was looking for someone who knew about UK law earlier
[17:38] <Shirik> virtual dedicated
[17:38] <Addihockey10> herp a derp
[17:38] <tjf> Shirik, where?
[17:38] <Addihockey10> Hey Peter-C
[17:38] <Addihockey10> :-D
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[17:38] <Peter-C> O_o
[17:38] <Shirik> linode
[17:38] <Fluffernutter> Ironholds, how's your copyright knowledge? pretty good, right?
[17:38] <matthewrbowker> Ironholds: Sven_Manguard was looking for you earlier
[17:38] <Addihockey10> Peter-C: LOL.
[17:39] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter, US or UK?
[17:39] <TParis> isnt taken yet
[17:39] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: Sven's looking for you, if the last three pings havn't told you
[17:39] <Netalarm>
[17:39] <Addihockey10> TParis: Register you and see them bust down your door
[17:39] <Addihockey10> :-P
[17:39] <TParis> Ironholds: Get ahold of Sven_Manguard
�08[17:40] * derp is thinking of registereing a .xxx domain for a pastebin :P
[17:40] <TParis> Addihockey10: Took them  a long time to get rid of
[17:41] <BarkingFish> all they'll do now is probably get Flowers By Irene to seize it :P
[17:41] <Ironholds> yes. where is he?
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[17:42] <matthewrbowker> Left about 1/2 hour ago
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[17:42] <Fluffernutter> ships that passin the night...
[17:42] <Addihockey10>
[17:43] <tjf>
[17:43] <TParis> tjf: Could be done
[17:43] <tjf> yes
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[17:47] <Addihockey10> tjf: Eww. Not you
[17:47] <Addihockey10> matthewrbowker: LOL
[17:47] <tjf> Addihockey10, ?
[17:47] <Addihockey10> tjf: Didn't know who you were
[17:48] <Addihockey10> matthewrbowker: That thing yesterday was embarrassing :-P
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[17:48] <matthewrbowker> Addihockey10: For which?  -accounts?
[17:48] <Addihockey10> mhm
[17:49] <matthewrbowker> Heh, I got a good answer from Xeno.
�06[17:50] * matthewrbowker is putting a plea for more checkusers on the appropriate noticeboard
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�08[17:51] <derp> matthewrbowker, nominate me for checkuser :P
�08[17:51] -> *matthewrbowker* btw there's a Apple hiring fair tomorrow :P
[17:52] <matthewrbowker> derp: I don't have that power.  No way :P
�08[17:52] <derp> :P
[17:53] <matthewrbowker> I asked Xeno what the procedure is, and he said I'd need to be an admin and trusted, probably.
[17:53] <Soapy> there was a nonadmin checkuser once
[17:53] <Soapy> not for very long though
�08[17:53] * derp hugs Soapy
[17:53] <Soapy> he ran an RfA almost immediately and succeeded
�08[17:53] * derp notes.
[17:53] <matthewrbowker> Yeah, but he got it as part of the Audit Subcommittee.
[17:54] <Addihockey10> ...
[17:54] <matthewrbowker> Addihockey10: Problem?
[17:54] <matthewrbowker> Oops, I meant xe
[17:54] <Soapy>
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[17:54] <Soapy> wow
[17:54] <Soapy> hes already retired
[17:55] <Fluffernutter> he's dead
[17:55] <Fluffernutter> literally
[17:55] <Soapy> oh wow
[17:55] <Soapy> that's sad
[17:55] <Soapy> I had no idea
[17:55] <Fluffernutter> maybe six months or so ago, i think it was
[17:55] <Soapy> I really never saw him after the rfa
[17:57] <Soapy> well it looks like he retired shortly after the RfA anyway
[17:58] <Soapy> so he was 26 years old
[17:58] <Soapy> well anyway I didnt mean to sidetrack
[17:59] <Fluffernutter> i don't think we were really on a track anyway :P
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[18:00] <Shirik> is this channel ever on a track?
[18:01] <Fluffernutter> unlikely
[18:03] <Ironholds> Lara, I may not be able to get to your essay until monday
[18:03] <Ironholds> sorry :(
[18:03] <Fluffernutter> it's quite a good read, Ironholds. I blew through it in about five minutes
[18:03] <Fluffernutter> and you read faster than I do
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[18:05] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter, yeah, but I have zero energy or enthusiasm for anything right now
[18:05] <Fluffernutter> in that case, yiu may be excused
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[18:09] <afa> [English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests:]
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[18:10] <Shirik> that is our topic, indeed
[18:10] <Thehelpfulone> afa: yes, that's the topic
[18:10] <Fluffernutter> lol
[18:11] <TParis> Thehelpfulone: Why not show Afa how to use the stalkword ;)
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[18:12] <Thehelpfulone> :P
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[18:17] <Thehelpfulone> afa: please don't copy the topic again
[18:17] <afa> i'm testing
[18:17] <Shirik> test somewhere less disruptive
[18:17] <afa> new to ir
[18:17] <tdubellz> yes, it pings a bunch of us who hilight on a particular word
[18:18] <afa> oh i'm sorry i don't know about irc and how it jumps on certain strings
[18:19] <Thehelpfulone> afa: no problem, if a word is prefixed by a ! it usually means that it's a stalk word, so if you say it, it will ping a few people - best not to do that as it's usually for emergencies :)
[18:19] <afa> ah ok sorry about that
[18:20] <Nihiltres> in particular a lot of us get pinged by !_admin without the underscore
[18:20] <Nihiltres> don't worry, easy mistake
[18:20] <TParis> Is anyone in here a linux nut and willing to help me with a question?
[18:21] <matthewrbowker> TParis: Depends...
[18:22] <Nihiltres> TParis: rule of thumb: unless the question is sensitive, ask the question, don't ask whether you can ask the question
[18:22] <matthewrbowker> ^
[18:23] <afa> linux
[18:23] <TParis> Nihiltres, the first part of the question was "is anyone in here a linux nut", the second part is "willing to help me with a question".  Someone could answer either part without the other being true.
[18:24] <TParis> Anyway, I also wanted to do it in private since this isn't the RD
[18:24] <TParis> But I figured it out anyway
[18:24] <Nihiltres> OK :)
[18:25] <Soapy> ask the room
[18:25] <Soapy> oh
[18:25] <Soapy> n/m
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[18:27] <TParis> I was having trouble with running a script on linux that would've banned a bunch of IPs from a mediawiki installation, but I found it was a problem with "agk" and there was an alternative version of the script that worked perfectly
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[18:34] <geniice> hmm I was woundering why this artist didn't name the ships he painted
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[18:35] <geniice> then I saw why
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[18:40] <afa> b: unles
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[18:43] <tgeairn> !admin Can I get a revision blanked (personal info disclosure?)
[18:44] <geniice> already been done
[18:44] <Shirik> yup
[18:44] <Shirik> and by yup I mean nope
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[18:44] <DQ|sleep> tgeairn: try #wikipedia-en-revdel next time pls...
[18:44] <Thehelpfulone> tgeairn: done, in the future, I recommend #wikipedia-en-revdel as it's more private
[18:45] <Nihiltres> Thehelpfulone: you are fast :P
[18:45] <Thehelpfulone> heh ;)
[18:45] <tgeairn> Multiple reply: Thanks (I will)!
�08[18:46] <derp> Thehelpfulone has skillz
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[18:47] <Addihockey10>
[18:48] <Soapy> its oversighted now
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[18:48] <Shirik> mamama?
[18:48] <Shirik> that's like one of the two characters I know in chinese, it means horse
[18:48] <Soapy> horsehorsehorse
[18:48] <Shirik> well, one of them
[18:49] <Shirik> I'm not sure why 3 of them are put together
[18:49] <Soapy>
[18:49] <Soapy> its a name, apparently
[18:49] <Soapy> someone in China is named "Horse Horse Horse"
[18:49] <Soapy> wait, no, four of them
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[18:49] <Soapy> her surname is Horse and her given name is HorseHorseHorse
[18:50] <Soapy> so her name is Horse Horse Horse Horse (or Ma Mamama if you go phonetically)
[18:50] <afa> are you sure
[18:50] <Shirik> wtf
[18:50] <harej> Ma ma maaaa ma maaa belllll
[18:50] <afa> it's still there
[18:50] <Shirik> why would you do that to a child
[18:52] <afa> the diff still has Mobile: 512-658-3152 Home phone: 512-894-0125
[18:57] <tgeairn> I should kick myself twice... shouldn't have posted that diff in the clear.  I believe you're seeing cached data.
[18:57] <BarkingFish> afa: er, do you have your brain screwed in?  The request to revdel means it was private data, which you've just posted in a public channel after it was revdel'd :)
[18:58] <BarkingFish> epic, epic fail...
[18:58] <afa> oh shoot
[18:58] <afa> but i keep reloading and it's still there
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[18:58] <afa> i was just assuming that it was there for everyone
[18:58] <BarkingFish> try a hard refresh
[18:58] <afa> so is there a way to wipe this off the record
[18:58] <afa> i totally blew it sroy
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[18:59] <afa> what's a hard refersh
[18:59] <BarkingFish> er, no. Unless everyone simultaneously /clear 's their scrollback, it's here.
[18:59] <Hipocrite> There's no way to remove it from IRC logs.
[18:59] <BarkingFish> afa, ctrl + f5 if you're in firefox, how you do it depends on what browser you have
[18:59] <afa> ok well..
[19:00] <afa> ok got it sorry
[19:00] <afa> but it's public content isn't it
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[19:00] <afa> if you seach the mobile phone in google it shows up onsome site
[19:01] <afa> it's pretty transparent
[19:01] <BarkingFish> their phone number is private data, the reason for revdel and oversight is that publicly identifiable data shouldn't be posted.
[19:01] <BarkingFish> revdel takes it out so only admins can see it, oversight takes it out so nobody can see it whatsoever iirc
[19:01] <tjf> BarkingFish, only oversighters can
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[19:02] <afa> ok yeah sorry
[19:02] <afa> total fail
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[19:02] <BarkingFish> ah, ok then. Since they're identified anyhow, tjf, I'd assume they wouldn't release anything anyway :)
[19:02] <BarkingFish> makes sense
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[19:05] <Hipocrite> The only reason that mobile phone number is widely distributed is that Anonymous hacked the company owned by the owner of the phone and widely distributed the phone number. Now this channel has joined in that distribution.
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[19:05] <Ryulong> I'm having problems with my javascript page
[19:05] <afa> ok i'm sory ok?
[19:06] <afa> it was an honest mistake i didn't know there'd be serious conesequences
[19:06] <Shirik> Ryulong, what's up
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[19:06] <Ryulong> If I remove the first entry, none of the other ones work
[19:07] <Shirik> this like your vector.js page?
[19:07] <Ryulong>
[19:07] <Shirik> people still use monobook? ><
[19:08] <afa> i have to say: vector is ugly
[19:08] <Shirik> why are you trying to remove that line?
[19:08] <BarkingFish> Shirik: sure. I have it across the board, here and elsewhere.  I like things to be where I know they were, are and will be - and while nobody is messing with monobook, that's how it'll stay :)
[19:08] <Shirik> heh, true
[19:08] <BarkingFish> I pulled out of the usability beta and all its fancy crap for the same reason
[19:09] <Ryulong> well, Shirik, I mean if I remove the first set of stuff
[19:09] <Shirik> I just like how I don't have 5 million tabs anymore
[19:09] <Ryulong> like if I remove the whole admin-like RC tools entry
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[19:09] <Ryulong> I lose all other JS usage
[19:09] <Shirik> yeah I consider that one line, but why are you trying to remove it?
[19:09] <BarkingFish> bbiab
[19:09] <Ryulong> because it gives me two extra rollback links
[19:10] <Ryulong> in the contribs
[19:10] <Ryulong> and I already have Twinkle up and running
[19:10] <Shirik> ok do this
[19:10] <Shirik>
[19:10] <Shirik> see the first 4 lines that go importScript(...
[19:11] <Shirik> You still need those, so replace what you took out with those
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[19:12] <Ryulong> ok
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[19:14] <Ryulong> ack
[19:15] <Ryulong> now I have two lines of revert stuff
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[19:15] <Ironholds> Sceptre, baby
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[19:17] <afa> hm
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[19:17] <afa> how do i quit
[19:17] <SpitfireWP> Type /quit or close your browser tab/window.
[19:17] <afa> ok thanks
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[19:18] <tjf> hey
[19:18] <tjf> is 2^1 a power of two?
[19:19] <Shirik> I am very amused you are asking this
[19:19] <tjf> stfu Shirik i'm trying to prove you wrong
[19:19] <SpitfireWP> Heh.
[19:19] <Ryulong> oi
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[19:19] <Ryulong> anyone familiar with the Megami Tensei series
[19:20] <Sp33dyphil> hi Ryulong
[19:20] <Shirik> here tjf:
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[19:20] <LauraHale> hm?
[19:20] <tjf> fff
[19:21] <Sp33dyphil> LauraHale: do yo have any trouble opening ?
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[19:21] <LauraHale> Possibly.  I've been having issues with Commons today. : /
[19:22] <Ryulong> is there ANYONE in the video games project
[19:22] <Ryulong> in here
[19:22] <Sp33dyphil> I'm in the PlayStation WikiProject
[19:22] <Sp33dyphil> and WikiProject Halo, if that helps
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[19:23] <Ryulong> yeah that might work
[19:23] <Sp33dyphil> why? Need anything?
[19:23] <Ryulong> I need a brain here
[19:23] <Sp33dyphil> Ryulong: can you open
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[19:24] <Ryulong> nope
[19:25] <Sp33dyphil> it's got Terminator 2 info on it, and I can prize it open
[19:25] <darkfalls> The daily Ryulong drama has arrived early today :O
[19:25] <darkfalls> Ryulong: Surely it's not difficult finding a relaible source?
[19:25] <Sp33dyphil> Ryulong: "social links"?
[19:26] <Ryulong> it's a game mechanic
[19:26] <Ryulong> you make friends with a character and it unlocks something, and each are themed after one of the Tarot cards
[19:26] <Ryulong> or something
[19:26] <Ryulong> I don't really know, I have not played the game myself
[19:26] <Ryulong> I just know this mechanic exists
[19:26] <Sp33dyphil> haven't played this game, so I can't comment
[19:26] <Ryulong> ANd it exists in its prequels
[19:26] <Hipocrite> How do you know this thing?
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[19:27] <Ryulong> Because it's also a central theme in the TV show
[19:27] <Hipocrite> Ok, but the threashold for inclusion is Verifiability, not Truth.
[19:27] <Ryulong> And it can be verified to the game and TV show
[19:27] <Hipocrite> How do you know it about the game, exactly?
[19:27] <T-1000> I can't see any links you're adding
[19:27] <darkfalls> Ryulong:
[19:28] <T-1000> oh
[19:28] <darkfalls> not exactly very reliable... but yeah
[19:28] <Hipocrite> User published content is not reliable. Is there a reliable source that says whatever you believe to be true?
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[19:28] <Ryulong> The video game itself
[19:28] <Ryulong> The TV show itself
[19:29] <Hipocrite> Do you own the game?
[19:29] <Ryulong> No
[19:29] <Hipocrite> Then that's not your source.
[19:29] <Hipocrite> So if the only reason you know it's true is that Sarah says it, you don't actually know it's true, right?
[19:29] <darkfalls> Hipocrite: umm.. you didn't happen to read the extremely long quote from the game publisher in that link, did you? ;)
[19:29] <Hipocrite> Why would I? Sarah could make it up.
[19:30] <darkfalls>
[19:30] <darkfalls> IGN doesn't make shit up though.
[19:30] <darkfalls> especially if it is titled "press release"
[19:30] <Hipocrite> Perfect. Use that reliable source.
[19:31] <darkfalls> Ryulong: ^
[19:31] <T-1000> problem solved?
[19:31] <darkfalls> it would appear so
[19:31] <Ryulong> I don't know
[19:31] <T-1000> Can someone identify the font used on
[19:31] <Ryulong> Because is the problematic edit, it seems
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[19:32] <Hipocrite> That appears to be about the word "representing." Where have you discussed using/not using "representing?"
[19:32] <T-1000> Am I the only Terminator fan here?
[19:32] <darkfalls> You know.. Wikipedia would be a better place if we nuked all those bloody fancruft articles
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[19:33] <Shirik> there's an image about that somewhere
[19:33] <darkfalls> T-1000: I'v watched the Schwarzenegger ones.. but that's about it
[19:33] <T-1000> cool, what's your fav?
[19:33] <Ryulong> Hipocrite: "representing the X Arcana" is a change from "of the X Arcana" because Tintor2 argued that the latter part was not part of their names
[19:33] <T-1000> Terminator Salvation sucks
[19:33] <Hipocrite> Where?
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[19:34] <darkfalls> umm.. probably the 3rd one
[19:34] <Shirik>
[19:34] <Shirik> there we are
[19:34] <Ryulong>
[19:34] <Sp33dyphil> I like the second one
[19:34] <Sp33dyphil> darkfalls: Salvation ended before the action starts :P
[19:34] <darkfalls> cos there's something very exciting about a half naked chick trying to kill you :D
[19:34] <Sp33dyphil> it was so short
[19:34] <Hipocrite> Discuss on talk pages, not via edit summaries. Stop reverting and start talking.
[19:35] <Ryulong> I have
[19:35] <Ryulong> but he keeps reverting
[19:35] <Hipocrite> Where?
[19:35] <Hipocrite> Where did you begin discussing as opposed to reverting?
[19:35] <Sp33dyphil> darkfalls: Arnold should've starred in Salvation
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[19:36] <Ryulong> his talk
[19:36] <Sp33dyphil> darkfalls: I thought blowing up the nuclear fuel of all the Terminators were only the start in Salvation -- it turned out to be the end of the franchise
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[19:36] <darkfalls> lol
[19:37] <darkfalls> I'm more interested in when the Hobbit will come out
[19:37] <Shirik> why
[19:37] <Shirik> why can't we have any movies that are ORIGINAL
�06[19:38] * Sp33dyphil can't follow the Lord of the Rings for some reason
[19:38] <Shirik> Inception was pretty much the only movie worth watching recently, in my opinion
[19:38] <Sp33dyphil> Shirik: come again?
[19:38] <Ryulong> Hipocrite
[19:38] <Sp33dyphil> "ORIGINAL"?
[19:38] <Shirik> every movie lately seems like nobody can come up with their own ideas anymore
[19:38] <darkfalls> There's plenty of original films...
[19:38] <Sp33dyphil> You can't get more original than the Terminators
[19:38] <darkfalls> Tree of Life was.. entertaining.
[19:38] <Shirik> no Terminators is OK
[19:39] <Shirik> my comment was with regards to the hobbit
[19:39] <Shirik> (Terminator salvation was before inception)
[19:39] <darkfalls> umm.. lots of films are based on books.
[19:39] <Shirik> that does not excuse the practice
[19:40] <darkfalls> We have plenty of films that are not based on books.
[19:40] <Shirik> what's a recent one?
[19:40] <darkfalls> Tree of Life.
[19:40] <Shirik> what?
[19:40] <darkfalls> ..
[19:41] <Shirik> seriously hadn't heard of it :P
[19:41] <Sp33dyphil> everyone who made Salvation should be in hell
[19:41] <Sp33dyphil> the movie wrecked my day :P
[19:41] <darkfalls> Ides of March?
[19:41] <darkfalls> that's the clooney one.
[19:41] <Shirik> wrecked your day?
[19:42] <darkfalls> oh nvm... that's an adaptation from a play
[19:42] <darkfalls> eww
[19:42] <Shirik> I'm ok with that too, honestly
[19:42] <Shirik> like take i, robot for example
[19:42] <Shirik> I'm ok with that movie because the book wasn't really widely known
[19:42] <Shirik> but lord of the rings and spider man? Those things are already famous
[19:43] <Shirik> I'd like something relatively fresh
[19:43] <darkfalls> umm.. spiderman was shit awful.
[19:43] <Shirik> EXACTLY
[19:43] <darkfalls> I don't care if they adapt it from a fil, as long as it's good.
[19:43] <Shirik> my point being they could create absolute crap and still make millions
[19:43] <Shirik> because it's already famous
[19:43] <darkfalls> novel*
[19:43] <darkfalls> LOTR series was hardly absolute crap.
[19:44] <darkfalls> in fact, quite the contrary.
[19:44] <Shirik> nonono
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[19:45] <Shirik> I think there's two movies that caused me to hate pretty much all movies that are not original
[19:45] <Shirik> Harry Potter and Holes
[19:45] <Shirik> both of which were like my favorite books growing up, and both of which ruined my entire image of them when I saw the movies
[19:45] <darkfalls> The last Harry Potter movie was excellent.
[19:45] <Shirik> I refuse to watch it
[19:45] <Sp33dyphil> yeah, Harry Potter movies aren't as good as the books
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[19:46] <Sp33dyphil> I haven't watched it
[19:47] <darkfalls> considering it's reviewed at 96% from RT,..
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[19:49] <Sp33dyphil_> darkfalls: have you watched Twins, the 1988 film?
[19:49] <darkfalls> nop
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[19:50] <BarkingFish> A silly question, maybe... but can anybody here knit?
[19:50] <Sp33dyphil_> silly indeed
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[19:51] <BarkingFish> oh i forgot, nobody would admit to it, Sp33dyphil :)
[19:52] <funnyfarm299> my mother can.
�06[19:52] * Thogo looks for his dictionary. Wtf is knit?
[19:52] <Sp33dyphil> my mother sews
[19:52] <Sp33dyphil> a lot of mothers do
[19:52] <BarkingFish> Thogo: knit - stricken
[19:53] <Thogo> achso, sach dat doch. O.o
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�06[19:53] * Thogo fixes English. from now on, knit is "to strick".
[19:54] <Thogo> but that's nothing men do.
[19:54] <BarkingFish> Eine neue Brücke zu stricken. >> mit Stricknadeln zu arbeiten :)
[19:54] <BarkingFish> Thogo: don't you kid yourself :P
[19:54] <Thogo> and, you know, we have very few females in Wikipedia.
�06[19:54] * funnyfarm299 wishes there was an A7 for books
[19:54] <Shirik> is Ironholds around?
[19:54] <BarkingFish> It's great for getting you off smoking
[19:55] <BarkingFish> I can't hold two needles and a cigarette at the same time :)
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[19:55] <Thogo> so, in all likelihood, there won't be anyone here who knits - eh - stricks.
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[19:56] <Ironholds> Shirik, mebbe
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[19:56] <Thogo> BarkingFish: getting off smoking is easy. Just don't smoke and you're done.
[19:56] <Shirik> Can you please explain this whole Stephen Lawrence thing to me? The way I understand it goes something like this. (1) Dude committed crime. (2) Dude was acquitted. (3) Dude later admitted to it. (4) Laws changed so that he could be tried again. (5) Dude was tried again and found guilty.
[19:57] <Thogo> or admit that you are an addict :)
[19:57] <Soapy> I would delete a book if it was unpublished
[19:57] <Soapy> but this is at least published
[19:57] <Shirik> You guys don't have some kind of law that says you can't be convicted of something because of a future change in laws?
[19:57] <Soapy> and its through a mainstream publisher
[19:57] <Soapy> (referring to the Story of Woof)
[19:57] <mattbuck> Shirik, the retrial was due to new evidence
[19:57] <BarkingFish> Thogo: of course I am an addict. I wouldn't have been smoking for almost 16 years if I had the willpower to stop :)
[19:57] <Prodego> Shirik: you can always change that law too
[19:58] <Shirik> I don't care if there was new evidence or not. The whole "double jeopardy was bad, so we're just going to get rid of it"
[19:58] <Thogo> BarkingFish: oh, good, then you need to go to one of these places for addicts...
[19:58] <Thogo> you know these Entzugsanstalten.
[19:58] <Shirik> Prodego: Sure, but in the US to do something like this would require not one, but two constitutional amendments
[19:58] <Prodego> that's why I live there
[19:58] <Soapy> OJ was put on trial twice too
[19:58] <Prodego> also because I was born there, but
[19:59] <Shirik> Technically that was different; he was tried for something different
[19:59] <Prodego> Shirik: though in the US, conspiracy to commit a crime, and that crime are different
[19:59] <Addihockey10> Prodego: I have a small job for you.
[19:59] <Thogo> justice is something the US has yet to discover, anyway.
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[19:59] <Prodego> Addihockey10: joy
[19:59] <Addihockey10> Prodego: Give me an iOS app to review.
[19:59] <harej> Shirik, additionally, you can be acquitted by a criminal court but found guilty in a civil court (as the standard of proof is lower)
[19:59] <Addihockey10> Not angry birds or shit like that, one that is underrated.
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[19:59] <funnyfarm299> Oh GREAT. A new RfA for a candidate with 413 edits. -.-
[20:00] <harej> OJ Simpson was acquitted of murder but convicted of "wrongful death"
[20:00] <Thogo> oppose.
�06[20:00] * Shirik sees no RFA
[20:00] <funnyfarm299> Shirik,
[20:00] <Addihockey10> Did you know that Michael J. Fox's middle name is Andrew?
[20:00] <Thogo> could be me. I probably have not more than 400 edits on enwiki. XD
[20:01] <Soapy> oh a new rfa
[20:01] <Soapy> sounds like fun
[20:01] <Soapy> hm?
[20:01] <Soapy> I dont see any rfa
[20:01] <Shirik> not yet transcluded
[20:01] <darkfalls> Shirik: Double jeopardy is only when you present the case with no new evidence
[20:01] <Soapy> also wow
[20:01] <Shirik> regardless, those kinds of things pop up all the time
[20:01] <Soapy> I missed this
[20:01] <Soapy>
[20:01] <funnyfarm299> Soapy,
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[20:02] <purplebackpack89> what?
[20:02] <Thogo> well, it's Christmas time...
[20:02] <Sp33dyphil> would make a good source?
[20:02] <mattbuck> I'll run for admin if you want
[20:02] <Peter-C> ... in the city
[20:02] <Thogo> people have something else/better to do than going for sysopship. ;)
[20:02] <Soapy> its his 2nd rfa, I see
[20:03] <mattbuck> I have a platform of disliking most things about en.wp and wanting an excuse to delete all en.wp featured pictures from commons
[20:03] <Peter-C> mattbuck - do me, I will crash and burn for entertainment
[20:03] <Shirik> darkfalls: "nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;" - Fifth Amendment
[20:03] <purplebackpack89> I've toyed with it, then this prick Lucifer got on my case and ppl got mad at how I handled it
[20:03] <Shirik> says nothing about "new evidence"
[20:03] <Sp33dyphil> Peter-C, darkfalls, Shirik: would  wanted to find someone who would be a good contrast to Arnold make a good source?
[20:03] <Peter-C> ?
[20:03] <Joan> I'm logging.
[20:03] <darkfalls> Shirik: That's the interpretation of double jeopardy in Australia
[20:04] <Ironholds> Joan, everyone logs
[20:04] <Sp33dyphil>  wanted to find someone who would be a good contrast to Arnold
[20:04] <Sp33dyphil> oops
[20:04] <Ironholds> making it public is the problem
[20:04] <Shirik> ok
[20:04] <Sp33dyphil>
[20:04] <Joan> Ironholds: Oh? I'm new here.
[20:04] <Joan> Go on.
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[20:04] <Sp33dyphil> lol, I was copying a quote
[20:04] <purplebackpack89> we're supposed to have an interaction ban, yet that apparently didn't stop him from voting "keep" on three AfDs I started and removing a {{refimprove}} tag I placed without improving references
[20:04] <purplebackpack89> some interaction ban that it
[20:04] <Sp33dyphil> Peter-C, darkfalls, Shirik: would make a good source?
[20:05] <Shirik> have you tried arbitration enforcement requests?
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[20:05] <Hipocrite> Please don't call people "pricks." Thanks.
[20:05] <Joan> Hi Hipocrite.
[20:05] <Joan> I saw your on-wiki silliness.
[20:06] <Shirik> Joan: If you're just here to stir up trouble you're going to leave
[20:06] <Joan> Shirik: I'm mostly here because I just awoke from a nap.
[20:06] <IShadowed>
[20:06] <Joan> Shirik: Also, I don't think that's how this channel works.
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[20:08] <mmovchin> hey, what's up here? It's weekend and so quiet :(
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[20:09] <darkfalls> Sp33dyphil: It's a bloody blog, so no
[20:09] <Fluff|away> not weekend here yet
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[20:09] <mmovchin> not?
[20:10] <mmovchin> oh, which time is it on yours?
[20:10] <Fluffernutter> still friday
[20:10] <Thogo> these yankees...
[20:10] <Thogo> :p
[20:11] <Fluffernutter> you future-swellers!
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[20:11] <Fluffernutter> er, dwellers
[20:11] <Thogo> the US is so old-fashioned, they even still have Friday. :p
[20:11] <Thogo> XD
[20:11] <Thogo> future-swellers would be funny...
[20:13] <Thogo> but Friday evening is weekend anyway, Fluffy.
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[20:14] <Thogo> btw., when is Christmas in Russia? Is that today (or for US: tomorrow)?
[20:14] <BarkingFish> Thogo: I think it was yesterday (GMT) or today if you're in the US
[20:14] <Thogo> hm...
[20:14] <BarkingFish> 6th January iirc
[20:14] <Thogo> holy three kings was yesterday. But is that the same?
[20:14] <BarkingFish> i was talking with Schroeder about it earlier in #wikipedia
[20:15] <Mono> anyone seen Logan_?
[20:15] <Thogo> you mean the user named log here in the chat?
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[20:15] <Soapy> logan is here, yes
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[20:15] <Mono> log, yes
[20:15] <Mono> where?
[20:15] <Thogo> log was here earlier, dunno where they are now.
[20:16] <Soapy> * log (~log@wikimedia/Logan) Quit (Quit: bbl)
[20:16] <BarkingFish> left about 3 hours ago, mono
[20:16] <BarkingFish> last time I saw them was 10.15pm GMT, it's now 1.16am
[20:16] <Thogo> bbl *could* mean they are coming back.
[20:16] <Thogo> but it could also mean tomorrow, fwiw.
[20:17] <Thogo> 1:16 am? O.o where are you, BF?
[20:17] <BarkingFish> UK, Thogo
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[20:17] <Thogo> thought you were in Switzerland, for some reason.
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[20:17] <BarkingFish> 0.o
[20:17] <Thogo> but well, UK explains it.
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[20:18] <BarkingFish> brb
[20:18] <Peter-C> I wish I was birtish damnit
[20:18] <Peter-C> Better announciation
[20:19] <Thogo> birtish!
[20:19] <Thogo> you mean birdish, by any chance? ^^
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[20:19] <Peter-C> *British
[20:19] <Thogo> oh that.
[20:19] <purplebackpack89> I ain't no Yankee...I'm a Californian!
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[20:20] <Thogo> :)
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[20:20] <purplebackpack89> Though I did get a book on "Yankee Steam" for Christmas
[20:20] <Thogo> CA is very nice. I liked it there.
[20:20] <purplebackpack89> problem is air's dry as a bone of late
[20:20] <Thogo> better dry than wet O.o
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[20:21] <Thogo> here it's raining all day. Since christmas.
[20:21] <Thogo> with some minor breaks in between. But still.
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[20:22] <Thogo> but we have rain season, obviously. Called winter.
[20:24] <Addihockey10>
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[20:30] <Thogo> purplebackpack89: btw., Yankee Steam as in steam railroads/engines?
[20:32] <purplebackpack89> Thogo: railroads, boats, car, bikes, you name it
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[20:33] <Thogo> hm... steam bikes?
[20:34] <Thogo> that would look funny, I think.
[20:34] <funnyfarm299> Does anyone else hate when "not finished" is used as an arguement against speedy?
[20:34] <Peter-C> WTF
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[20:34] <Peter-C> 11 people deas is NOT a national tragety
[20:34] <Peter-C> *dead
[20:35] <harej> What if the nation in question only had 20 people to begin with?
[20:35] <Thogo> funnyfarm299: just tell them that they can just finish it before saving. ;) Or save it in the user name space first.
[20:35] <Thogo> which nation would that be? ^^ Even Tuvalu has more people...
[20:36] <Thogo> but it depends on the perception in that nation, what is or is not considered a national tragedy.
[20:36] <funnyfarm299> Holy shit! There is less then 100 AfCs right now!
[20:37] <Thogo> AfC = ?
[20:37] <Soapy> requested articles waiting to be created
[20:37] <Thogo> lol
[20:37] <Thogo> well, just go to the special page wanted pages.
[20:38] <Thogo> that's your real "AfC"
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[20:40] <funnyfarm299> now here is a dumb arguement
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�06[20:41] * funnyfarm299 wishes you could do CSD tagging at the same time as other tags in TW.
[20:41] <Soapy> you cant?
[20:41] <Thogo> CSD? TW?
[20:41] <Soapy> thogo how do you not know this stuff?
[20:42] <Soapy> I thought you were a long time wikipedia contributor
[20:42] <Thogo> yes, dewp.
[20:42] <Thogo> not enwp. :p
[20:42] <Thogo> I have about 800 edits on en.
[20:42] <Soapy> oh
[20:42] <Thogo> most of it in articles or talk pages.
[20:42] <Soapy> ok
[20:42] <Soapy> your name looks familiar, I thought Id seen you over here, must just be meta or commons or something
[20:42] <purplebackpack89> thogo...yeah...the guy who invited the steam bike died while riding it too fast
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[20:43] <purplebackpack89> ironically not because of the bike crashing or blowing up...he had a heart attack
[20:43] <Thogo> the - let's call it administration - of enwp is still a huge mystery for me. :( A big blob of bureaucracy with zillion tons of different request pages the purpose of which I don't understand. ;)
[20:44] <funnyfarm299> Thogo, CSD= criteria for speedy deletion TW=twinkle
[20:44] <Thogo> uh ok...
[20:44] <Thogo> Twinkle I know from hearsay only. I don't know if we use that on de.
[20:44] <Thogo> CSD-equivalents we do have, of course. ^^
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[20:45] <funnyfarm299> Is anyone familiar with Macedonian?
�06[20:45] * TParis wonders if Thongo can figure out what TP means
[20:45] <Thogo> which one?
[20:45] <Thogo> there are three languages called Macedonian
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[20:46] <funnyfarm299> Google translate just says macedonian
[20:46] <Thogo> TParis: in WP jargon? Nope.
[20:46] <Soapy> then it's the real Macedonian
[20:46] <funnyfarm299> take a look
[20:46] <Thogo> they are all real ^^
[20:46] <funnyfarm299> That link looks HORRIBLE
[20:46] <Soapy> yeah if its written in Slavic letters
[20:46] <Thogo> I prefer Slavic Macedonian or Modern Macedonian for that language.
[20:47] <Soapy> that looks like a direct paste-over of something from the Macedonian wikipedia
[20:47] <Thogo> there are no Slavic letters. ;) You mean Cyrillic probably, but that's not only used for Slavic languages.
[20:47] <Holmes> Womp womp.
[20:47] <Holmes> (Re: Pasteover.)
[20:47] <funnyfarm299> Soapy, that's what I was thinking
[20:48] <Thogo> well, камења should be something with stones...
[20:48] <funnyfarm299> Yeah, gtrans says something about jewels
[20:48] <funnyfarm299> Are YOU a terrorist?
[20:48] <Thogo> still, it's in the wrong language. So flush it.
[20:48] <Soapy> its probably just their article for 'jewel'
[20:48] <BarkingFish> even google translate when set in macedonian doesn't translate that properly
[20:49] <Thogo> then use Serbian
[20:49] <Thogo> or Bulgarien, fwiw.
[20:49] <Thogo> Bulgarian*
[20:49] <BarkingFish> precious jewels, or precious stones?
[20:49] <Thogo> kamen' is the Slavic root for stone.
[20:50] <Thogo> I know that because the name of my home city is derived from that. ;)
[20:50] <Soapy> no google hits for the text, but Im pretty sure it's a pasteover since it has line breaks
[20:50] <funnyfarm299> I love the knowledge of this IRC channel. Who needs WP ;)
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[20:50] <funnyfarm299> Soapy, prod it?
[20:50] <Thogo> yes, it looks definitely like a copyvio.
[20:51] <BarkingFish> I'd CSD as A2
[20:51] <Thogo> (if the text isn't PD)
[20:51] <funnyfarm299> someone else do it...
[20:51] <Prodego> mind that linebreaks could indicate they wrote it in word or something
[20:52] <Thogo> why don't you just delete it? O.o On dewiki you wouldn't even have a request for deletion with that. Just press the button and it's gone. ^^
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[20:52] <Thogo> but Prodego is, I suppose.
[20:52] <Soapy> thogo: well, there's a policy on English Wikipedia that discourages deleting things like that without at least trying to see if it's any good
[20:53] <Soapy> and there's a holding page for articles that are waiting to be translated
[20:53] <Prodego> there is, however I did delete it
[20:53] <Soapy> this one, though, probably wont make it
[20:53] <Thogo> how can something in any language other than English be good for enwp?
[20:53] <funnyfarm299> Because people WILL translate it.
[20:53] <Prodego> the reason for this being that it is an overview on precious stones
[20:53] <Prodego> which we already have in english
[20:53] <Thogo> then they can have it on their user namespace.
[20:53] <Prodego> so even if translated it would be redundant
[20:53] <funnyfarm299> We give it a week or two before deleting it IIRC.
[20:54] <funnyfarm299> Prodego, how about those terrorists?
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[20:55] <Prodego> eh?
[20:55] <Thogo> but of course you *could* ask the author what they intended to do with this text.
[20:55] <funnyfarm299> Prodego,
[20:55] <funnyfarm299> Nevermind. TP got to it.
[20:55] <Prodego> yep
[20:55] <Prodego> quite the page, that was
[20:57] <Soapy> hoax articles are fun
[20:57] <funnyfarm299> I know, right?
[20:57] <Soapy>
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[20:58] <Soapy> only 3 entries
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[20:58] <funnyfarm299> Question? can this be deleted for wrong namespace?
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[20:58] <BarkingFish> night guys, I'm out to bed.  Coming on for 2am here, and I need to go get some z's
[20:58] <BarkingFish> bbfn
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[20:58] <Thogo> see you
[20:58] <Thogo> uhm...
[20:58] <Prodego> funnyfarm299: might want to ask that user what they are doing
[20:58] <Soapy> and one of them is up for deletion
[20:59] <Prodego> funnyfarm299: ah, they aren't confirmed
[20:59] <Prodego> I'll +confirm them
�06[20:59] * funnyfarm299 joined before all this "confirmed" BS. what does it mean?
[21:00] <Prodego> they'll need it to move pages
[21:00] <Prodego> or autoconfirmed
[21:00] <Soapy> confirmed is a shortcut to autoconfirmed
[21:00] <Prodego> leave them a note on their talk page
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[21:00] <Soapy> hm
[21:00] <Soapy> whats going on with the deletion log of Wikipedia:SUBP ?
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[21:01] <funnyfarm299> appears to already have been deleted
[21:01] <Soapy> it must be linked from somewhere
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[21:01] <Soapy> 'cause 3 people have independently created articles tehre
[21:01] <Soapy> ah yes, thats what it is
[21:02] <Soapy> there's a link on
[21:02] <Soapy> they must somehow be ending up there
[21:03] <funnyfarm299> can I leave you guys to figure this one out? I need to go back to NPP.
[21:03] <Soapy> yeah
[21:03] <Thogo> NPP? O.o Are you guys always talking in abbreviations? :S
[21:04] <p858snake|l> the cabal loves their abbreviations
[21:04] <Thogo> I see
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[21:04] <funnyfarm299> Thogo, it means "new page patrol"
[21:05] <Thogo> aha
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[21:05] <Thogo> so there are human users who do these things on enwp?
[21:05] <Thogo> I thought that's all done by bots there. XD
[21:05] <p858snake|l> I would exactly use the term human >.> *runs*
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[21:05] <p858snake|l> *wouldn't
[21:06] <Thogo> ^^
[21:06] <Thogo> it's always the running gag if we talk about enwiki. We call it botopedia sometimes. ;)
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[21:07] <Thogo> especially since there are articles that have never been edited by a non-bot user. Not even the creation. ;)
[21:07] <Shirik> Thogo, Wikipedia is actually a site made of acronyms
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[21:07] <Earwig> TLAs FTW!
[21:08] <Shirik> here you go
[21:08] <Shirik> try not to get lost
[21:08] <Thogo> hm...
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[21:09] <Shirik> there was an awesome video about this but I can't remember where it was
[21:09] <Soapy> hi Chen
[21:09] <Soapy> long time no see
[21:10] <Chenzw> Hi Soapy :)
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[21:11] <funnyfarm299>
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[21:12] <Thogo> hm, Shirik, funny that I even know some of these. But for many even the explanation is Spanish to me.
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[21:13] <Thogo> CSB
[21:13] <Thogo> WikiProject Countering systemic bias or, more rarely, an adjective for a topic of concern to the WikiProject, e.g., "This does not seem to be a CSB article." Systemic bias is the tendency for Wikipedia articles to be biased towards a European or American view of things, simply because most editors are European or American.
[21:13] <Shirik> !!!
[21:13] <Shirik> I found it
[21:13] <Shirik>
[21:13] <Thogo> huhu kylu :)
[21:13] <kylu> allo
[21:14] <kylu> how're you doing?
[21:14] <Thogo> could be better, but thanks.
[21:14] <Thogo> and you?
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[21:16] <Thogo> Hagiography - Wording that is excessively fulsome, adulatory or glowing in a biographical article, to the point of violating NPOV. *lol* what?!
[21:16] <funnyfarm299> Some of this most of US have never heard of.
[21:16] <funnyfarm299> If .02% of WP readers edit, what percent go on IRC?
�06[21:16] * Thogo needs a dictionary to even understand the explanation. ^^
[21:17] <SigmaWP> Ah.
[21:17] <Thogo> ah I see... O.o It's what we call Fangeschwurbel in German WP jargon. ^^
[21:17] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Stop using Huggle or I will strangle you and crash your browser.
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[21:18] <funnyfarm299> Sigma, I don't use Huggle to tag and CSD new pages
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[21:18] <SigmaWP> Oh
[21:18] <SigmaWP> Hm.
[21:18] <SigmaWP> Then press the patrol button.
�06[21:18] * Soapy goes to watch the video
[21:19] <Soapy> I think I saw this once
[21:19] <Soapy> no I havent
[21:19] <Soapy> I would have remembered the people peeing into the pond
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[21:20] <funnyfarm299> I LOVE the guy with the globe hat
[21:20] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Go take a FP
[21:21] <funnyfarm299> featured page?
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[21:21] <SigmaWP> Featured picture
[21:21] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: And before you put it on Commons give me the file
[21:21] <funnyfarm299> haha
[21:21] <funnyfarm299> so you can take credit?
[21:22] <SigmaWP> Duh.
[21:22] <funnyfarm299> I work for my college paper right now.
[21:23] <darkfalls> what camera
[21:24] <funnyfarm299> Nikon. Is there any other brand ;)
[21:24] <funnyfarm299> D90. I wanted one with the built-in AF motor.
[21:25] <Soapy> Im susprised how few comments there are
[21:25] <Thogo> hehe, that video is great
[21:25] <Thogo> and so true. ^^
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[21:26] <Thogo> at least for enwiki.
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[21:28] <SigmaWP> Dang Germans have no copyrighted material.
[21:28] <SigmaWP> And the language sounds funny.
[21:28] <funnyfarm299> wat?
[21:28] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Yeah.
[21:28] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: There are no NFCC on dewp
[21:28] <tjf> funnyfarm299, Is the D90 newer?
[21:29] <tjf> yeah
[21:29] <darkfalls> got a d60 a few years back
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[21:29] <darkfalls> pretty decent camera
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[21:29] <funnyfarm299> tjf,
[21:29] <funnyfarm299> Intro'd August 2008
[21:30] <funnyfarm299> I want the grip tho.
[21:30] <SpeakFree> Fair use isn't allowed under European copyright law
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[21:30] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[21:30] <SigmaWP> That explains it
[21:31] <SpeakFree> So only free images are allowed on the German wp (and other European wp's)
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[21:31] <funnyfarm299> so what do they do for logos?
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[21:31] <Soapy> nothing, for the most part
[21:31] <Soapy> german wikipedia articles have a lot of text
[21:31] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: The <div> tag can do many wonders.
[21:31] <Soapy> I didnt realize it was all of Europe, though
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[21:31] <SpeakFree> Well you can be creative
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[21:32] <Soapy> wouldnt the European wikipedias technically fall under US laws?
[21:32] <SpeakFree> Like photographing a company car which has the logo on it.
[21:32] <Soapy> Is it just that they dont want to cause controversy, even though legally they could get away with it?
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[21:32] <Soapy> the English Wikipedia is used in Britain, after all, which is in Europe
[21:33] <bep> we'd just make Britipedia
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�06[21:33] * SigmaWP would move there
[21:33] <SpeakFree> On the Dutch wikipedia there has been a community decision not to allow unfree images, I guess the same is true for the German wikipedia.
[21:33] <funnyfarm299> Soapy, you're going to tear a hole in the fabric of WP
[21:33] <SpeakFree> Yep but Britain is not really in Europe ;)
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[21:34] <bep> under cornwall is the massive propellor that we can sail away with
[21:34] <SpeakFree> The only logo's allowed on are simple images or logos which have been freely released.
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[21:35] <darkfalls> SpeakFree: If the logo is prominently displayed on the company car, it still can be considered a derivative work
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[21:36] <SigmaWP> Ewwwww
[21:36] <SigmaWP> Ed Poor edits conservapedia
[21:36] <darkfalls> conservapedia is dead.
[21:36] <SpeakFree> Here is an example:
[21:37] <SigmaWP> darkfalls: It's fun to troll them
[21:37] <darkfalls> SpeakFree: You can argue that it's derivative.
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[21:37] <SpeakFree> Well IANAL
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[21:38] <funnyfarm299> toepassing?
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[21:44] <Thogo> <funnyfarm299> so what do they do for logos? <--- we have a special rule for logos on dewiki.
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[21:48] <SigmaWP> jorm: Hi
[21:48] <jorm> howdy, sigma
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[21:49] <SpeakFree> @jorm today I heard a Belgian technology podcast which referred to you as a viking ^^
[21:49] <SigmaWP> Yay!
[21:49] <SigmaWP> SpeakFree: Link?
[21:50] <Mono[Away]>  jorm, do you know where I could find a programmer for a photo voting system thingy for the Commons?
[21:50] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: HEY
[21:50] <Thogo> anyway. Time to leave. approaching 4 AM... See you guys!
[21:51] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Theres a button that says "patrol".
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[21:51] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Ever thought of clicking on it for once????
[21:51] <funnyfarm299> where?
[21:51] <SigmaWP> -_-
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[21:51] <SpeakFree> they said that wikimedia first used Jimbo to make people feel pity, then use jorm to make them feel scared.
[21:51] <SigmaWP> SpeakFree: Link
[21:51] <SpeakFree>
[21:52] <SpeakFree> But it helps if you know Dutch. ;)
[21:52] <SigmaWP> Yay
[21:52] <SigmaWP> Oh
[21:52] <SpeakFree> or Flemish (which is basically the same).
[21:52] <SigmaWP> SpeakFree: Is that RS, then?
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[21:53] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Do you know how much time you're wasting
[21:53] <SpeakFree> Well it was mentioned on the Dutch Village Pump by a regular Dutch WP user who left a lengthy comment on the bottom pointing out that they were wrong about a lot of things.
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[21:53] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Because you can't be arsed to his a button when you speedy a page.
[21:53] <SigmaWP> *hit
[21:54] <GorillaWarfare> Test
[21:54] <GorillaWarfare> Ooooh...
[21:54] <SigmaWP> GorillaWarfare: True
[21:54] <GorillaWarfare> Heh
[21:54] <GorillaWarfare> My Irssi theme is anything but easy on the eyes
�06[21:54] * SigmaWP melts funnyfarm299
[21:54] <GorillaWarfare> So I'm trying to edit it
[21:55] <GorillaWarfare> With a surprising amount of success
[21:55] <jorm> do i scare people?
[21:55] <tjf> irssi is good for people with less than 50 channels
[21:55] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299:
[21:55] <tjf> but i have 80 channels
[21:55] <GorillaWarfare> tjf: You have more than 50 channels? o.O
[21:56] <GorillaWarfare> Whhyyy?
[21:56] <tjf> half of what i had 2 months ago
�06[21:56] * funnyfarm299 still can't find a "patrol" button
[21:56] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299:
[21:56] <SigmaWP> -_-
[21:56] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Where are you getting your new pages
[21:56] <tjf> >_> I want something geeky
[21:56] <tjf> but I don't know what.
[21:56] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299:
[21:56] <tjf> A shirt? Laptop skin?
[21:57] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299:
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[21:57] <Soapy> hi evan
[21:57] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299:
[21:57] <funnyfarm299> I go through new pages in Huggle, and tag them with Twinkle.
[21:58] <GorillaWarfare> Hmm...
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[21:58] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: Then use Special:NewPages
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[21:58] <SigmaWP> Or make a script that gets the rcid from the API
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[22:00] <Soapy> whats going on?
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[22:02] <funnyfarm299> Special:NewPages doesn't get me the whitelist from huggle
[22:02] <SigmaWP> Cool. And?
[22:02] <SigmaWP> petan: Poke
[22:02] <Soapy> People are upset because youre using Twuggle to tag pages and that means they stay in the patrol lof?
[22:02] <Soapy> *patrol log
[22:03] <SigmaWP> Soapy: It's worse than that
[22:03] <SigmaWP> petan: Please add a CSD logging ability to Huggle, and give it to me before anyone else.
[22:03] <Soapy> there was a tool made just specifically for new pages, I think. Called Kissle
�06[22:03] * SigmaWP needs to be a faster tagger
[22:03] <SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: ^
[22:03] <darkfalls> We need slower taggers, not faster ones.
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[22:04] <darkfalls> Half the idiots doing NPP patrol tag perfectly fine articles
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[22:04] <Addihockey10> darkfalls: We need smarter taggers.
[22:05] <Addihockey10> Doesn't matter what the speed - you've gotta have an idea of what you're doing
[22:05] <darkfalls> Well, if you're tagging something 10 seconds after it's made and don't read through it properly
[22:05] <SpeakFree> @tjf what do you use?
[22:05] <darkfalls> then im gonna yell at you, quite simple.
[22:05] <Addihockey10> Well you've gotta do it properly...
[22:06] <tjf> SpeakFree, for what?
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[22:06] <SpeakFree> As an IRC client
[22:06] <tjf> xchat
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[22:10] <closedmouth> >:(
[22:10] <SigmaWP> Oh, heh
�06[22:10] * SigmaWP revokes the crowbar from tjf and duct-tapes closedmouth
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[22:13] <GorillaW1rfare> Can someone do a /me command really quick? Just testing my theme...
�06[22:13] * Queen is
[22:13] <GorillaW1rfare> Oooh, thanks
[22:14] <GorillaW1rfare> It's not magenta anymore! :]
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�06[22:17] * GorillaW1rfare tests
�06[22:18] * GorillaW1rfare tests again
[22:18] <SigmaWP> ?
[22:19] <slakr> /me
[22:19] <slakr> ;)
�06[22:19] * SigmaWP melts
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[22:20] <GorillaWarfare> Heh, thanks
[22:20] <GorillaWarfare> The blinding green wasn't much better than magenta
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[22:26] <SigmaWP> :O it's jclemens
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[22:27] <GorillaWarfare> Whew
[22:27] <GorillaWarfare> I feel so much better.
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[22:31] <Peter-C> GorillaWarfare - what color scheme are you using now?
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[22:32] <Peter-C> Hot pink of white?
[22:32] <GorillaWarfare> I'm using a modified version of "easyeye"
[22:32] <GorillaWarfare> Yes.
[22:32] <Peter-C> Are you legit...
[22:33] <Peter-C> FUCKING HELL
[22:33] <SpitfireWP>
[22:33] <Peter-C> Fluff|tardis - I need the paddles now damnit
[22:33] <tjf> yes die on him
�06[22:33] * GorillaWarfare performs CPR on Peter-C's Chrome
[22:33] <tjf> die in general
�06[22:34] * Peter-C ponders if sending an 200 joul eletrical charge directly though his motherboard is a good idea
[22:34] <Peter-C> IT HAS TO LIVE
[22:34] <SigmaWP> Do eet do eet do eet
�06[22:34] * Peter-C defibs chrome and retsrats
[22:34] <Peter-C> All is well! :D
[22:34] <Peter-C> Before EVERY page crashed
[22:34] <Peter-C> Even the about:newtab
[22:35] <GorillaWarfare> Chrome at least is polite about crashing
[22:35] <GorillaWarfare> It remembers your tabs and all that
[22:36] <tjf> so does firefox
[22:36] <Peter-C> Yea, Chrome treats me like a bro, and will never screw me like a ho
�06[22:36] * Peter-C cuddles Chrome
[22:36] <tjf> except when it sells your data to advertisers
[22:37] <tjf> which is all the time
�06[22:37] * SigmaWP whacks Peter-C with a wiffle bat
[22:37] <Peter-C> WP:Who gives a fuck?
[22:37] <Peter-C> * [[WP:Who gives a fuck]]
[22:37] <tjf> anybody who doesn't enjoy being stalked by various companies?
[22:38] <Peter-C> Holy ball sack Pandora is giving me the creepiest song
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[22:38] <Peter-C>
[22:39] <Peter-C> ^^^ MEGA CREEPY INTRO
[22:39] <tjf> probably because it knows the creepy things you look up
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: Can you say my username pl0x?
[22:39] <tjf> GorillaWarfare
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[22:39] <Peter-C> GorillaWarfare - BITE ME
[22:39] <Peter-C> >:(
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Hooray :D
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Thank you
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> No longer yellow -.-
[22:39] <Peter-C> what is it now?
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Red
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Red and blue are really the only acceptable colors on a white background
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Cyan, yellow, green, and magenta are all blinding
[22:39] <GorillaWarfare> Well, black too
[22:40] <Peter-C> I <3 mIRC the way it is
[22:40] <GorillaWarfare> I use a Mac
[22:40] <Peter-C> Irissi customization would make me die D:
[22:40] <SigmaWP> o.O
[22:40] <SigmaWP> Er...
[22:40] <SigmaWP> GorillaWarfare: Can someone be blocked for not complying with the MOS?
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[22:40] <Soapy> I use red text on dark blue background
[22:40] <SigmaWP> *RAEG*
[22:40] <Soapy> with highlights of all sorts
[22:40] <Peter-C> SigmaWP - were they warned for it?
[22:40] <Fluttershy-ENG> oh shove it up your ass, Sig.
[22:40] <GorillaWarfare> SigmaWP: Hm... Sounds unusual. Link?
�06[22:41] * SigmaWP hits Fluttershy-ENG with a wiffle ball
[22:41] <GorillaWarfare> o.O
[22:41] <SigmaWP>
�06[22:41] * Peter-C hits SigmaWP with a real bat
[22:41] <SigmaWP> I'm tempted to remove the message
[22:41] <Fluttershy-ENG> seriously, what is with the *RAEG* nonsense?
[22:41] <Peter-C> I like how he all capsed it
[22:41] <Peter-C> super classy
[22:41] <GorillaWarfare> I guess it could be considered disruptive editing
[22:42] <Peter-C> Aren't you 8 days late to the party xD
[22:42] <tjf> what's going on?
[22:42] <GorillaWarfare> But he's being a bit rude and probably shouldn't be guaranteeing blocks
[22:44] <Soapy> those are stale warnings anyway
[22:45] <SigmaWP> Don't bother using his talk page, he'll remove it
[22:45] <Soapy> well most of them
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[22:49] <darkfalls> why the hell do people use that cyan blue background
[22:49] <darkfalls> it hurts my eyes
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[22:50] <slakr> probably for that exact reason
[22:50] <slakr> :P
[22:51] <darkfalls> Maybe I should change my userpage so it's flashing green and red.
[22:51] <darkfalls> Get in with the holiday spirits >_<
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[23:03] <SigmaWP> Wow
[23:03] <SigmaWP> Wow.
�06[23:03] * SigmaWP pokes GorillaWarfare
[23:03] <SigmaWP> Can you believe
[23:03] <SigmaWP>
[23:03] <SigmaWP> Whenever he receives a message he doesn't like, he ups the vandalism counter
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[23:04] <GorillaWarfare> Hmm
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[23:05] <Soapy> hm
[23:05] <SigmaWP> Hm?
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[23:05] <SigmaWP> Hm!
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[23:06] <Soapy> well I guess he wont be running an RfA anytime soon
[23:06] <log> *passing
[23:06] <SigmaWP> And I can hardly believe that SQL found him as prospective admin material
[23:06] <log> Anyone can run, really.
[23:06] <SpeakFree> Anyone can be flamed to bits on their past mistakes as well
[23:07] <Soapy> SQL?
[23:07] <SigmaWP> Soapy: User:SQL
[23:07] <Soapy> wasnt that user retired a long time ago?
[23:07] <log> SpeakFree: Tell me about it.
�06[23:07] * SigmaWP concurs with SpeakFree
[23:07] <SigmaWP> Soapy: SQL came back through the back door
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[23:07] <log> SigmaWP: You might want to rephrase that.
[23:07] <Soapy> hm
�06[23:07] * SpeakFree ill informedly applied for the first RfA of 2012
[23:07] <SigmaWP> Well I don't speak it.
[23:07] <Soapy> it looks like SQL came back sometime in early 2011
�06[23:08] * SigmaWP flexes his coal balls in log's face
[23:08] <Soapy> july 2011, actually
[23:08] <log> Subtle.
[23:08] <SigmaWP> log: If you go too close to a peat bog, you'll turn into a coal ball.
[23:08] <log> People think that I should run again. Not sure if it's worth it.
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[23:08] <Soapy> I think you should go for it
[23:08] <SpeakFree> I was told I had less than 50 edits in 2012 and so didn't qualify when 2012 was 6 hours young in my timezone. ^^
[23:08] <Soapy> maybe not right now
[23:09] <Soapy> but when youre comfortable
[23:09] <log> Hmm, okay. I jumped into the first one, which I definitely won't do for the second one (if it ever happens).
�06[23:12] * SpeakFree doesn't want to be an admin anymore.
�06[23:12] * SigmaWP suggests that if SpeakFree wishes to give xer adminship away, xer should give it to SigmaWP
�06[23:13] * SpeakFree = not an admin and thus has nothing to give away.
[23:13] <log> He means that he wanted it before, but he no longer wants it.
[23:14] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[23:15] <darkfalls> SigmaWP: It's his userpage, he can do whatever he wants
[23:16] <darkfalls> provided it isn't harmful to anyone else or promotional
[23:16] <SigmaWP> Huh?
[23:16] <eeekster> eh?
[23:16] <log> I think he's referring to that Dave guy.
[23:16] <SpeakFree> They expect you to know it all, in a regular job you learn as you go along.
[23:16] <darkfalls> yes
[23:16] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[23:16] <darkfalls> im referring to the dave dude
[23:16] <SigmaWP> But calling a message vandalism?
[23:17] <darkfalls> -shrugs-
[23:17] <darkfalls> It's rude, but people are like that
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[23:20] <darkfalls> SpeakFree: If you're uncontroversial, keep a low profile and do enough in anti-vandalism/NPP/afd, there should be no reason to fail
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�06[23:21] * darkfalls just realised he supported the RfA
[23:21] <darkfalls> lol.
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[23:22] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Hi
[23:22] <log> KFP: :)
[23:22] <KFP> Morning!
[23:22] <log> Night! ;)
�06[23:22] * KFP <3 his new automatic espresso/cappuccino/coffee maker. :)
[23:23] <eeekster> speakfree: the process is simply broken
[23:23] <SpeakFree> Well they held my past articles against me and I created a lot of articles translated from the Dutch Wikipedia and in the beginning I didn't reference well as that is not a strong requirement on the Dutch Wikipedia. So I first would have to properly sort out my old articles.
[23:23] <SigmaWP> Whut
[23:23] <SigmaWP> They opposed you because of the DUTCH wikipedia???
[23:23] <eeekster> it's all wabout tearing people down
[23:23] <SigmaWP> Oh, nevermind
[23:23] <log> KFP: "Automatic..." as in it makes it at a certain time every morning?
[23:23] <SpeakFree> No because of my translations from the Dutch Wikipedia.
[23:23] <SigmaWP> log: No.
[23:23] <log> I am not too well-versed in coffee makers.
[23:24] <SigmaWP> log: I think he means "automatic" as in "Special:Contributions/Logan"
[23:24] <SigmaWP> Take the hint. :D
[23:24] <log> Clever.
[23:24] <darkfalls> SpeakFree: I think the length of your answers to the questions was a major reason people opposed
[23:24] <darkfalls> although obviously, they can't state that or they'll feel silly.
[23:24] <SpeakFree> I have created about 210 articles including disambig pages so you can understand that it might take some effort to check them all for proper referencing.
[23:24] <eeekster> is log from Blammo?
[23:24] <log> SigmaWP: I only have 54.11% automated edits. :( Even though it doesn't count any of the scripts/Toolserver tools that I use...
[23:25] <log> eeekster: Er, no.
[23:25] <eeekster> as at
[23:25] <KFP> log: No timer, but it works so that I just put in a capsule of my choosing and a cup under the nozzle and click a button. The operation only takes about 15-20 seconds or so. ^_^
[23:25] <log> KFP: Oh, cool. :)
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[23:25] <log> Hello Tanner.
[23:26] <SpeakFree> Yep another one thing, I am not a big talker and so I probably was too brief in my answers.
[23:26] <SigmaWP> I have like 33%
[23:26] <SigmaWP> Last time I checked, which was in May
[23:27] <log> You now have 12.46%.
[23:27] <SigmaWP> Yay.
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[23:31] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: hi
[23:31] <Sp33dyphil> hi Sig
[23:32] <Soapy> kfp: is it Keurig?
[23:32] <SigmaWP> Ooh, toolserver people get a professional-looking email address
�06[23:34] * Peter-C stabs SigmaWP in fear
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[23:35] <Peter-C> My term paper is going to be assigned soon
[23:35] <Peter-C> tjf - you are writing my history term paper
[23:35] <KFP> Soapy: Nope. It's a Paulig Cupsolo machine (Finnish thing, only available in Nordic & Baltic countries I think.)
[23:35] <Soapy> ok
[23:36] <Soapy> Keurig is the #1 brand in the US
[23:36] <Soapy> it sounds like basically the same idea
�06[23:36] * SigmaWP holds over everyone's head
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[23:37] <KFP> [[Nespresso]] is another such thing.
�06[23:38] * SpeakFree = going to find his bed ZzzzzZzzzz
[23:38] <SpeakFree> bye!
[23:38] <Peter-C> night
[23:39] <log> You don't know where your bed is?
[23:39] <SpeakFree> nope too sleepy for that. ;)
[23:39] <KFP> log: They are wily creatures, those beds.
[23:39] <SpeakFree> adios
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[23:39] <log> I swear, mine runs away every day. I can never find it. ;)
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[23:45] <SigmaWP> Joan: Poke
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[23:46] <SigmaWP> Joan: Poke
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[23:48] <log> SigmaWP: Mind helping that guy in -help out? I don't have the brainpower right now deal with referencing issues.
[23:48] <log> s/now deal/now to deal/
[23:49] <SigmaWP> "I need to submit it".....
[23:49] <log> He already submitted it...
[23:49] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[23:49] <log> <-- He linked to it earlier.
[23:49] <log> He's asking for advice about why it was declined/how to improve it.
[23:49] <SigmaWP> Where's the link to Chzz's storehouse of knowledge?
[23:49] <log> (I think)
[23:50] <log> er, lowercase help
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[23:52] <zscout370> log, that article feels very spammy, including some links to buy his DVDs
[23:52] <log> Well, the content of the article itself doesn't seem to be too spammy, but the links are mostly inappropriate.
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[23:53] <darkfalls> umm..
[23:54] <darkfalls> nothing to establish notability
[23:54] <darkfalls> no reliable sources
[23:54] <Peter-C> Why is Deadmau5 playing of Daft Punk Radio damnit
[23:54] <log> darkfalls: I'd agree with that statement.
[23:54] <darkfalls> Fails [[WP:ACADEMIC]]
[23:54] <harej> Peter-C hasn't figured out what shit Pandora is yet.
[23:54] <Peter-C> ^
[23:54] <SigmaWP> For fucks sake
[23:54] <Peter-C> I never really use it D:
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[23:55] <SigmaWP> Why
[23:55] <Peter-C> I mostly own music damnit
[23:55] <Peter-C> (LOL2 = Little old lady, lying on linolium)
[23:55] <darkfalls> log: Which dude was asking for help?
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[23:55] <SigmaWP>  \<tbody\>.+\<\/tbody\>/g
[23:55] <Peter-C> O_o
[23:56] <log> darkfalls: sonasinghgill in <#wikipedia-en-help>.
[23:56] <Peter-C> "LOL2." No, it's not some new form of text-speak. It's LOL Squared, meaning "Little Old Lady, Lying On Linoleum."
[23:57] <zscout370> Peter-C, even if you play all Daft Punk, they will play folks like Deadmau5 to get you to listen to other stuff
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[23:58] <Peter-C> THOSE ASSHOLES
[23:59] <zscout370> Grooveshark would be better, or even Spotify
Session Close: Sat Jan 07 00:00:01 2012