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Session Start: Thu Dec 22 17:13:05 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[17:13] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[17:13] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�'
�03[17:13] * Set by Prodego on Wed Dec 21 20:16:13
[17:13] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
�12[17:13] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Canal_IRC et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
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[17:20] <Steven_Zhang> aw
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�08[17:21] * derp offers Steven_Zhang some christmas cookies
[17:21] <FooBarMartijn> Steven_Zhang, no random words without context!
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[17:21] <Steven_Zhang> AWW
[17:21] <FooBarMartijn> Steven_Zhang, no random words without contextONE
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[17:22] <Steven_Zhang> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[17:22] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:22] <LauraHale> AUD: Stop increasing your value.
�08[17:22] * derp offers LauraHale his secret christmas bread.
[17:22] <LauraHale> :)
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[17:23] <killiondude> [14:23:01]	===	juancarlos Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
[17:23] <killiondude> how do I fix that?
�08[17:23] <derp> /nickserv ghost 
[17:23] <Shirik> ns ghost nick pass
[17:23] <killiondude> it's not connected!
�08[17:23] <derp> and you call yourself a channel operato
�08[17:23] <derp> oh
�08[17:23] <derp> /nickserv release juancarlos
[17:23] <killiondude> ah, yes.
[17:23] <Shirik> and learn to type your password
[17:23] <killiondude> wait a moment.
[17:23] <killiondude> [14:23:33]	===	juancarlos c845652a gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.69.101.42 * 200.69.101.42 - http://webchat.freenode.net
[17:23] <killiondude> that's not me!
[17:23] <Shirik> ghost then
[17:24] <Shirik> and turn on guard
[17:24] <killiondude> Do I have to turn guard on for each individual nick?!
[17:24] <killiondude> I had killiondude on guard
[17:24] <Shirik> no just the account
[17:25] <killiondude> [14:24:59]	*NickServ*	Killiondude has enabled nick protection
[17:25] <killiondude> that was already on
[17:25] <killiondude> the mystery deepens.
[17:25] <Shirik> dunno then
[17:25] <Shirik> but ghost will kick him off
[17:25] <Gfoley4> wowza
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[17:27] <Qcoder00> OTRS please
[17:27] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HesburghLibrary.jpg - What was the license given on OTRS?
[17:27] <Qcoder00> I think the PD tag on it is wrong
[17:28] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3APD&namespace=6 - Help wanted to clear the last remaining uses of {{PD}}
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[17:29] <tommorris> Qcoder00: just checking
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[17:30] <tommorris> Qcoder00: yes, ticket says PD
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[17:31] <Qcoder00> OK Can you update accordingly then?
[17:31] <Qcoder00> I think there's one other image affected as well
[17:32] <tommorris> Qcoder00: I don't know what update you want me to do. Seems okay to me, should just be copied over to Commons
[17:32] <Qcoder00> The tag on it says PD copyright expired
[17:32] <tommorris> yep, and that's correct
[17:32] <GabrielF> I'm trying to figure out what to do with this:
[17:32] <Qcoder00> Good :)
[17:32] <GabrielF> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_evaluation#
[17:32] <GabrielF> its basically a bulleted outline of a book chapter
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[17:32] <GabrielF> it looks like someone's homework
[17:33] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Order_of_the_Sun_%28Afghanistan%29.png - Thoughts on a tag people?
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[17:34] <SHINNOX1770> Hey, does anyone here remember Freakofnurture
[17:34] <SHINNOX1770> ?
[17:34] <Qcoder00> 3 images remaining tagged with PD
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[17:35] <SHINNOX1770> Qcoder00: You remember [[User:Freakofnurture]] by chance?
[17:35] <Qcoder00> I don't
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[17:35] <SHINNOX1770> Aranda56: You've been around long. You remember him?
[17:36] <Snowolf> SHINNOX1770: I remember him
[17:36] <Snowolf> Never had much interaction with him tho, why?
[17:36] <SHINNOX1770> Snowolf: Cool. What was he like, and why's he gone? (Also, your username is the same on WP as here right?)
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[17:36] <SHINNOX1770> Oh, dang. But I guess you've observed him?
[17:36] <SHINNOX1770> Sven_Manguard: I like you.
[17:36] <SHINNOX1770> Your name is hella unique.
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[17:36] <juancarlos> you have something in common.
[17:37] <Shirik> Qcoder00: PD-ineligible
�06[17:37] * Sven_Manguard wonders what the fuck he walked into
[17:37] <juancarlos> why isn't this working Shirik: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Killiondude/vector.js
[17:37] <Shirik> it's just a bunch of squares
[17:37] <Qcoder00> Shirik : Feel free to tag it up and Commons it
[17:37] <SHINNOX1770> Perdón, Juan?
[17:37] <juancarlos> Mande?
[17:38] <Shirik> juancarlos, probably because your cache is owning you
[17:38] <Shirik> looks right to me
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[17:39] <juancarlos> Hm. Let me try another browser.
[17:39] <SHINNOX1770> Sven_Manguard: You keep reminding me of a bar bouncer or a hardcore biker for some reason. Is this you?: http://theguardsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hellsangels.jpg
[17:39] <SHINNOX1770> ¿Qué tengo en común, Juan Carlos?
�06[17:40] * SHINNOX1770 notes that surnames often ='ed ancestors' occupations. Obviously Sven's ancestors used to be bodyguards.
[17:41] <Sven_Manguard> Right then, do I ignore you or just leave the channel?
�06[17:41] * Sven_Manguard looks around the user list
[17:41] <Sven_Manguard> meh, cya
[17:41] <juancarlos> SHINNOX1770: Are you the person that was creepily stalking me the other night?
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[17:42] <SHINNOX1770> Tallo cómo, Juan?
[17:42] <juancarlos> ¿Me estalkiaste?
[17:44] <SHINNOX1770> ¿Por qué me acusan?
[17:44] <juancarlos> Porque vives en Kansas. Y la persona quien me estalkió le gusta cambiar su IP pero vive acerca de ti.
[17:44] <juancarlos> Shirik: AHA! I tried another browser and it didn't work. :<
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[17:45] <juancarlos> acusan?
[17:45] <juancarlos> Who are you talking to?
[17:45] <barts1a> Looks like the Malleus case may be heading to arbcom...
[17:45] <juancarlos> fake spanish speaker alert!!!!
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[17:46] <Gfoley4> ban on sight!
[17:46] <lucasoutloud> >no hablando español corectamente
[17:46] <barts1a> je nes pas des francis
[17:47] <Prodego> mm freakofnature, been a while
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[17:47] <Prodego> a long while
[17:48] <Shirik> juancarlos: Only other thing I can think of is some kind of XSS protection
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[17:49] <Shirik> are you using internet explorer?
[17:49] <tommorris> oh god, I love Wikinews sometimes...
[17:49] <juancarlos> no, ff and tested in safari
[17:49] <tommorris> "Those that participated in the Democratic forum included anti-abortion activist Randall Terry and satirical candidate Vermin Supreme. After delivering his final statement, Supreme exclaimed that "Jesus told me to make Randall Terry gay" and proceeded to glitter bomb Terry while shouting, "he's turning gay." Terry had earlier affirmed his opposition to same-sex marriage, comparing it slavery and abortion."
[17:49] <Shirik> oh safari
[17:49] <Shirik> this implies you're on a mac
[17:49] <Shirik> that's why it won't work
[17:49] <juancarlos> haha. I have win7!
[17:49] <tommorris> Shirik: no, Safari is for Windows too
[17:49] <Shirik> who would use safari for windows
[17:50] <juancarlos> I don't "use" it. I test things in it!
�06[17:50] * barts1a uses Google chrome on Windows 7
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[17:50] <tommorris> Shirik: someone who loves WebKit and hates Google.
�08[17:50] * derp gives some bread stuffed with swiss cheese.
�06[17:50] * barts1a also uses Google Chrome on Ubuntu 11.10
[17:50] <FooBarMartijn> Chromium
[17:50] <Peter-C> derp
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�08[17:50] <derp> wut?
[17:50] <Peter-C> AIDS in my pool?
�08[17:50] <derp> Si.
[17:50] <Peter-C> really? :P
�08[17:50] <derp> yes :P
[17:50] <Fluffernutter> everybody run, Bsadowski1 found us
[17:50] <Bsadowski1> :O
[17:51] <barts1a> pool's closed?
[17:51] <Peter-C> derp I am SO PO'd
�06[17:51] * tommorris closes Peter-C due to AIDS.
[17:51] <Tannerbaum> Hey, it's tummuriss
[17:51] <Peter-C> I feel sick so I will not go to school tomorrow
[17:51] <tommorris> Peter-C: sounds like AIDS.
[17:51] <Peter-C> I am 3 days away from mayorship bammit
[17:51] <lucasoutloud> Your school is still in session?
[17:51] <Tannerbaum> Peter-C: you have aids.
[17:51] <Peter-C> O_o
�08[17:51] <derp> barts1a, i left a tip on his school's foursquare about how his pool's closed due to AIDS :P
[17:51] <Peter-C> yes lucasoutloud
[17:51] <Tannerbaum> Peter-C: Better get checked out, don't want to give AIDS to anyone else.
[17:51] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  Idea for the new year...
[17:52] <lucasoutloud> Peter-C: Mine is on break until Jan 2 because we ended semester exams last Friday.
[17:52] <Peter-C> >:(
[17:52] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  had you considered writing to the House of Commons asking them for a 'free' picture of all the current members?
[17:52] <tommorris> Qcoder00: yeah... that's been discussed at WMUK. there are issues.
[17:52] <Qcoder00> What are the issues?
[17:52] <Qcoder00> Licensing would be something like OGL surely?
[17:53] <tommorris> no. the current official photographs are done commercially, not OGL
[17:53] <Ironholds> Qcoder00: the issue is such pictures don't exist
[17:53] <Qcoder00> Ah
[17:53] <Qcoder00> :(
[17:53] <tommorris> the "official" photographs are done by a photo agency
�06[17:53] * Peter-C pokes Fluffernutter in the eye
[17:53] <Qcoder00> Well there goes that idea
[17:53] <Peter-C> nurse me bak to health :3
[17:54] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  It's a shame there aren't official 'free' images of UK MP's like you get offical pictures of Congress critters in the US
�06[17:54] * Peter-C barfs on the floor in a classy manor
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[17:54] <Qcoder00> Oh well
�06[17:54] * Peter-C advises Sven_Manguard to walk around his barf
[17:54] <tommorris> Qcoder00: there is a solution though we've discussed. namely, the next election, we formally ask the House of Commons staff to include a thing in the new and returning MPs "welcome to Parliament" packs asking them to be photographed on such and such a day by one of our volunteer photographers
[17:54] <juancarlos> Peter-C: whoever lives in that manor will be upset
[17:54] <juancarlos> you better clean it up!
�06[17:54] * Peter-C barfs in fear
[17:54] <Qcoder00> Ironholds: I'm sure you;d like 'free' pictures of all current Supreme Court  Judges as well
[17:55] <Qcoder00> ;)
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[17:56] <Qcoder00> I note the OGL license Cat on Commons already has some semi-official photos of  Cabinet level figures in the UK
[17:56] <tommorris> Qcoder00: though, people to help hunt down OGL photos and upload them to Commons are always appreciated. your file skillz would be useful
[17:56] <Sven_Manguard> Ironholds? Nah, he's only interested in images of Ruth Bader Ginsburg
[17:56] <tommorris> Qcoder00: have you read the OGL page I put up on Meta a while back
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[17:56] <Qcoder00> No I haven't exactly
[17:57] <tommorris> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OGL
[17:57] <Qcoder00> Most of the Traffic Signs Databse for example might be OGL
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[17:58] <tommorris> Qcoder00: they already are OGL and on Commons in SVG
[17:58] <Qcoder00> :)
[17:58] <Qcoder00> All of them?
[17:58] <Steven_Zhang> time to login to the niormal channels
[17:59] <Qcoder00> If there are SVG versions of common UK traffic signs on Commons ... :)
[17:59] <Qcoder00> It make something I was planing off wiki a LOT easier
[18:01] <Qcoder00> I'm still trying to track down a pre-1964 copy of the Traffic Signs Regs' though
[18:01] <Qcoder00> And I've made a specfic request for that at Wikisource
[18:01] <lucasoutloud> Wow, I just got an email from a high school principal and she refuses to give out the number of students and faculty to use in the article about the schhol.
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�06[18:02] * barts1a will be keeping a close eye on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Malleus_Fatuorum
�06[18:03] * Sp33dyphil groans at the mention of Malleus
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�06[18:05] * tommorris reads the RFAR and remembers exactly why he has absolutely no intention of ever running for ArbCom.
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[18:07] <FireDupp> Snowolf: Well because there's dirt on Freakofnurture right here: http://pastebin.com/4tMVEVdY
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[18:09] <lucasoutloud> Wow, that is some incredibly creepy dirt.
[18:09] <GabrielF> there are Jews in Texarkana Texas?
[18:09] <lucasoutloud> Aparrently.
[18:09] <barts1a> Not sure if FireDupp is troll or serious
[18:09] <QueenOfFrance> Let's not even discuss this, whether he's serious or not.
�06[18:09] * Queen pokes QueenOfFrance 
[18:10] <juancarlos> too many queens in here
[18:11] <Sir48> a promotion of a pawn
�06[18:11] * barts1a is thinking of /nick'ing to a king
�03[18:12] * Queen is now known as Atheism
�03[18:13] * lucasoutloud is now known as Basketful_Of_Kit
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[18:13] <Basketful_Of_Kit> What, is Basketful of kittens too long for a nick?
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[18:13] <barts1a> that remends of a time when someone tried to nick as captain planet
[18:14] <barts1a> it turned out as captain_plane
[18:14] <juancarlos> haha.
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> Someone should email freakofnurture.
[18:16] <Steven_Zhang> oh
[18:16] <Steven_Zhang> left WP
[18:17] <Tannerbaum> he did?
[18:17] <barts1a> Looks like Malleus didn't want to take part in the arbcom case... He requested and was granted a reblock as such
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[18:17] <Steven_Zhang> hm?
[18:18] <causasui> Go figure
[18:18] <BarkingFish> anyone know if we had a netsplit a few moments ago?
[18:18] <barts1a> As he said on his talk page "I have absolutely no intention of appearing at the ArbCom show trial, so need for me to be unblocked"
[18:18] <barts1a> BarkingFish: No netsplits AFAIK
[18:18] <BarkingFish> I got disconnected from IRC, but my web connection was still live
[18:18] <Doc_glasgow> predictable move
[18:18] <causasui> Dunno why people make out like it's such a burden to be required to treat people with respect
[18:19] <BarkingFish> Is this Malleus again?
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[18:19] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: because it is a good way to add drama
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah. I am in the shit now.
[18:19] <Doc_glasgow> it is all about drama
[18:19] <Steven_Zhang> idk how to cover this in the signpost...heheheh :-(
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[18:20] <causasui> I will write an essay called [[Wikipedia:On Wiki-Narcissism]]
[18:20] <barts1a> The shit cannon aimed at the industrial fan has been upgraded to a shit firing Tsar Cannon aimed at a wind turbine
[18:20] <SteveMobile> Foods
[18:20] <SteveMobile> Hungry
[18:20] <Doc_glasgow> Steven_Zhang: find the Signpost reports on the Giano arbcom cases from 2006 and just change the names
[18:20] <Doc_glasgow> the outcome will be the same
[18:20] <SteveMobile> Lol
[18:21] <SteveMobile> Nah I want my first report to be half decent
[18:21] <SteveMobile> :p
[18:22] <SteveMobile> Dunno how the other writer made those graphs
[18:22] <SteveMobile> :/
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[18:30] <Steven_Zhang> BarkingFish: hear hear
[18:30] <BarkingFish> ??
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[18:30] <BarkingFish> You just read my statement on the Arb case?
[18:30] <Steven_Zhang> yea
[18:30] <Steven_Zhang> hi agk-wiki
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[18:31] <BarkingFish> hi agk-wiki :)  Congrats on your elevation :D
[18:31] <agk-wiki> Hi guys
[18:31] <agk-wiki> Thanks!
[18:32] <Steven_Zhang> BarkingFish: you mean demotion
[18:32] <agk-wiki> ^ yes!
[18:32] <BarkingFish> I meant what I said, Steven_Zhang :)
[18:32] <Steven_Zhang> about AGK or about malleus
[18:32] <BarkingFish> Although, winding up in the pit of arbcom can be seen as a demotion, I suppose :)
[18:33] <BarkingFish> It's not a place you really want to be, unless you have a liking for pain or a wish to torture yourself into early dementia :P
[18:33] <BarkingFish> brb
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[18:35] <Peter-C> I am sick!
[18:35] <BarkingFish> we've known that for ages, Peter-C :)
[18:35] <Peter-C> :(
[18:35] <BarkingFish> other than that, how are you? :)
[18:35] <juancarlos> +1 BarkingFish
[18:36] <tommorris> BarkingFish, Steven_Zhang: have you seen the message they leave you on RationalWiki when they make you a sysop? "Congratulations on your demotion". Then if you become a 'crat: "Congratualtions on your further demotion"
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[18:36] <Mike_H> juancarlos: have you heard the new JLo single
[18:36] <Mike_H> the one in the FIAT commercial?
[18:36] <juancarlos> heh, yeah
[18:36] <juancarlos> that commercial is so lame
[18:36] <Mike_H> it's so Oprah's Book Club amirite
[18:36] <Steven_Zhang> lol
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[18:37] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - want some of my Streptococcus
[18:37] <Mike_H> juancarlos: Nothing says FIAT to me more than...
[18:37] <Mike_H> JLo, and female empowerment
[18:37] <Mike_H> "I'm alive!"
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[18:37] <Snowolf> FIAT?
[18:37] <Mike_H> Snowolf: the car maker
[18:37] <Snowolf> Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino :)
[18:37] <Mike_H> :>
[18:37] <Mike_H> Snowolf: FIAT's commercials in the US have Jennifer Lopez driving one of their cars while her new single plays in the background
[18:38] <juancarlos> y'know, those ones that fall apart
[18:38] <Snowolf> I see
[18:38] <Snowolf> juancarlos: that's more like my mental image of FIAT :D
[18:38] <Mike_H> Snowolf, Steven_Zhang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42lWy9tLb2E&feature=related
[18:38] <Mike_H> this song
[18:38] <Snowolf> and get tons of money from the government :D
[18:38] <juancarlos> in the AMAs, she literally got into one on the stage
[18:38] <Snowolf> AMA?
[18:38] <Mike_H> lolol
[18:38] <Mike_H> I missed the AMAs
[18:38] <Mike_H> the American Music Association awards
[18:38] <Snowolf> I see
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[18:39] <juancarlos> heh.
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[18:40] <juancarlos> she was dancing on the stage then a car came out and she hoped in it and "drove" while a fan blew her hair
[18:40] <juancarlos> it was very "oh my, is this happening?"
[18:40] <juancarlos> hopped *
[18:41] <juancarlos> silly double consonants.
[18:41] <Mike_H> juancarlos: Sounds like something Lady Gaga would do, except substitute JLo's dress with a potato sack and a FIAT with a life-sized stiletto.
[18:41] <juancarlos> i lol'd
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[18:42] <Mike_H> juancarlos: They must be paying her bank to do that at an awards show
[18:42] <juancarlos> I'm sure they did
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[18:42] <juancarlos> which means the italian gov is indirectly subsidizing JLo's career, if what snowolf said is true :-P
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[18:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Mike_H how are them musics\
[18:44] <Mike_H> I'd make a comment about her being Berlusconi's mistress
[18:44] <Mike_H> but she's 41
[18:44] <Mike_H> she's 20 years too old
[18:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 20 years?
[18:44] <Mike_H> I was being nice..
[18:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> berlisconi hangs out with 14 year olds
[18:45] <lucasoutloud> http://youtu.be/WJIuYgIvKsc
[18:45] <Snowolf> ToAruShiroiNeko: not 14 come on
[18:45] <BarkingFish> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'd be surprised - berlusconi doesn't hang with it if it's not a teenager, although he will shag it either way I'd imagine
[18:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why are you being nice to berlisconi?
[18:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Snowolf with that guy would you be suprised?
[18:45] <Mike_H> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'm Southern.
[18:46] <Mike_H> I have manners.
[18:46] <Mike_H> And if I have something bad to say about you
[18:46] <Mike_H> I'm going to say it behind your back.
[18:46] <Snowolf> I'm just trying to be fair, I think it was more like 16-17
[18:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Snowolf fine
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[18:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I thought southerners demonstrated politeness through semi-automatics
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[18:47] <BarkingFish> that, and not shooting you on sight :P
[18:47] <Qcoder00> Snowolf: See th AWB task page there's still a large number of Non-Free Currency usages to update
[18:47] <Qcoder00> :(
[18:48] <Snowolf> Qcoder00: I have to wait for approval :)
[18:48] <Qcoder00> OK
[18:48] <Qcoder00> Non-free Mugshot was finally tag-split today
[18:48] <Qcoder00> ;)
[18:48] <Snowolf> So far, no comments on my brfa
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[18:48] <juancarlos> rfb *
[18:48] <Qcoder00> I'm waiting for a TFD before I try to tag split other stuff
[18:48] <juancarlos> ;}
[18:49] <Qcoder00> Snowolf: Have a look at Sfan00_IMG's recent contribs..
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[18:49] <Qcoder00> They've been rather bold recelty
[18:49] <Qcoder00> recently
�06[18:49] * funnyfarm299 wonders if this is a case for prod or AfD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killbillies_%282012_Film%29
[18:50] <barts1a> It's a CSD under A7 AFAIK
[18:50] <funnyfarm299> films apply for A7?
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[18:51] <funnyfarm299> Also: Do strains of cannabis deserve articles? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Purple+Kush+%28cannabis%29&oldid=467264751
[18:51] <barts1a> ANYthing in article space applies for A7
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[18:51] <Gfoley4> barts1a: oh dear, no…
[18:51] <funnyfarm299> barts1a. "not to articles about their books, albums, software, or other creative works"
[18:51] <Gfoley4> Please read over WP:A7 again
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[18:52] <barts1a> ah...
�06[18:52] * barts1a wonders if there is an A7 equivilant for films
[18:54] <Qcoder00> funnyfarm299:  Depends if there are you know like  RELIABLE souces. man... ;)
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[18:54] <Gfoley4> funnyfarm299: you can AFD or PROD anything as long as people agree with it
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[18:54] <juancarlos> or there's [[wp:silence]]
[18:55] <funnyfarm299> Do we have any admins on?
[18:55] <Qcoder00> On what?
[18:55] <Qcoder00> ;)
[18:55] <funnyfarm299> On irc :/
[18:55] <Qcoder00> There are always admins present
[18:55] <juancarlos> speed
[18:55] <Qcoder00> Thier alert state is debatable though
[18:55] <funnyfarm299> If so, delete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Purplekush.jpg please. It reached the date for deletion for failure to provide copyright status. If so, delete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Purplekush.jpg please. It
[18:55] <funnyfarm299> Well that went wrong.
[18:55] <juancarlos> ó_ó
[18:56] <funnyfarm299> But still. please delete.
[18:56] <Gfoley4> most likely someone will go through all those files tonight
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[18:57] <funnyfarm299> And what should I do about that cannibis strain article?
[18:57] <Snowolf> smoke it
[18:58] <Snowolf> :P
[18:58] <juancarlos> put that in your pipe and smoke it
[18:58] <barts1a> Does A7 apply to floura and fauna?
[18:58] <juancarlos> omg guyz i am buying the hunger games on my tablet.
[18:58] <Snowolf> barts1a: CSD isn't applicable to stuff that's not listed, end of the story
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[18:59] <funnyfarm299> ^
[18:59] <barts1a> I guess the cannibis strain needs a PROD since the CSD are too damn strict
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[18:59] <Snowolf> CSD are exception to the normal rules
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[18:59] <barts1a> Why does A7 even exist when it is enterely useless in these cases?
[19:00] <Snowolf> ...
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[19:00] <juancarlos> WHO ASKED TO DELETE THE Purplekush.jpg
[19:00] <juancarlos> it was uploaded today.
[19:00] <Snowolf> I dunno if you don't realize it, but the normal avenue for the deletion of articles is AfD
[19:00] <juancarlos> So,
[19:00] <juancarlos> I had to undelete.
[19:00] <Snowolf> PROD is a shortened version of that
[19:00] <Snowolf> and CSD is a set of exception that can be dealt with immediately
[19:01] <Snowolf> juancarlos: funnyfarm299
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[19:01] <barts1a> Snowolf: If ANY article is not notable then it should be nuked regardless of the subject area notablility cannot be proven in
[19:01] <funnyfarm299> juancarlos, the tag said"Unless the copyright status is provided, the file could be deleted seven days after the upload (22 December 2011)"
[19:01] <Snowolf> barts1a: this is not the way wikipedia is.
[19:01] <juancarlos> the upload was 22 December
[19:01] <Snowolf> Also, CSD doesn't deal with non notable at all
[19:01] <Snowolf> says no assertion of notabily
[19:01] <Snowolf> *notability
[19:01] <Snowolf> if the assertion, you can't CSD it
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[19:02] <juancarlos> omg theo!
[19:02] <juancarlos> I asked if you were dead the other day.
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[19:02] <funnyfarm299> juancarlos, that is a REALLY badly written template.
[19:02] <Theo10011> hello my king
[19:02] <juancarlos> No one had any information.
[19:02] <barts1a> Snowolf: By non notable do you mean like ZERO references and/or NO REMOTELY reliable sources provided
[19:02] <Theo10011> I was asking about you all last month.
[19:02] <Snowolf> barts1a: references are not related to A7 at all
[19:02] <Theo10011> I care. :(
[19:02] <juancarlos> barts1a: He means, if it doesn't /assert/ notability (claim)
[19:03] <Snowolf> barts1a: please read the policy, it only deals with stuff that didn't make an assertion, not with "not credible assertions"
[19:03] <Snowolf> for that there's PROD and AfD
[19:03] <Snowolf> which are normal avenues
[19:03] <juancarlos> Theo10011: I took a break. I think not using wp/irc as much during the school year helps w/my focus. :-)
[19:03] <Snowolf> it's CSD that's the exception
[19:03] <barts1a> So no refs does not assert notability correct?
[19:03] <Snowolf> No refs is irrelevant
[19:03] <juancarlos> incorrect. just if the text asserts notability
[19:03] <Snowolf> for the 3rd time...
[19:03] <juancarlos> (plausibly)
[19:03] <Theo10011> I still hu. <3
[19:04] <juancarlos> You are no longer a cabal member?
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[19:04] <barts1a> So I could write "This thing is noable" in an article and it is automatically immune to any and all CSD criteria correct?
[19:04] <funnyfarm299> Sadly, yes.
[19:04] <barts1a> as I am asserting notability
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[19:04] <Theo10011> I am.
[19:04] <juancarlos> You have to assert why it is notable :-P
[19:04] <Deskana> Doesn't stop people from deleting it, of course.
[19:05] <barts1a> alright then "This thing is notable because I said so"
[19:05] <Snowolf> Deskana is a famous actor with 72 movies.
[19:05] <Snowolf> ^ not a7 material
[19:05] <Snowolf> but it is db-hoax material
[19:05] <juancarlos> o;
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[19:06] <TParis> Wow BarkingFish.  I dont think we see eye to eye much, but I actually agree with what you said on AR.
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[19:07] <funnyfarm299> dear god, this guy has lofty goals: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3aFantageFan&oldid=467266251
[19:07] <BarkingFish> TParis: I don't think I've ever had cause to not see eye to eye with you, but thanks :)
[19:07] <barts1a> Yeah... good luck to them
[19:08] <barts1a> [SARCASM SYSTEM SELF TEST COMPLETE!]
[19:08] <BarkingFish> I know I'm not the easiest guy to get on with by a long chalk, but I remember my enemies :)  "I've got a little list..." :P
[19:08] <Steven_Zhang> its deskana
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[19:08] <Steven_Zhang> guy with the best humor ever. ironic is being run over and killed by an ambulance
[19:08] <Steven_Zhang> heh
[19:09] <TParis> BarkingFish, I dont hold grudges much but I do have a good memory.  There was a particular incident we had about a year ago where I was really upset at you.
[19:09] <barts1a> No. Irony is getting badly injured after falling onto the roof of a mattress factory
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[19:09] <funnyfarm299> LOL! Toby Rushford is a notable Australian personality. Most widely known as a gay man who turned his back on a lucritive career in Facilities Management to dedicate all his time in effort into his true passion. Training pleasure monkeys.
[19:09] <funnyfarm299> Toby is also widely known as the "Melbourne Gimp" or "That guy who beats off in public"
[19:09] <TParis> It's in the past, but that's where the "dont think we see eye to eye much: came from.
[19:09] <funnyfarm299> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Rushford
[19:09] <funnyfarm299> "training pleasure monkeys" O.o
[19:10] <barts1a> *blink*. BWAHAHAHAHA!
[19:10] <{Soap}> deleted
[19:11] <barts1a> damn you're fast
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[19:11] <BarkingFish> it's all in the wrist :)
[19:11] <juancarlos> Soap!
[19:11] <juancarlos> When did you become an admin?
[19:11] <{Soap}> hi
[19:11] <{Soap}> June 2010
[19:11] <Steven_Zhang> aw
[19:11] <juancarlos> haha, so long ago.
[19:12] <juancarlos> <-- lame.
[19:12] <barts1a> You just said you are lame
[19:12] <barts1a> Confirm/Abort/Ignore
[19:13] <juancarlos> c
[19:13] <barts1a> Confirmed. juancarlos is now identified as lame
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[19:16] <Steven_Zhang> Hm, Coren has a point.
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[19:17] <TParis> If there is an IRC-cabel like Malleus's supporters claim, than there is an obvious Content-Creator cabel too.
�06[19:17] * crazynas blinks
�06[19:17] * crazynas wonders what a 'cabel' is
[19:17] <crazynas> :O
[19:17] <TParis> It isn't.
[19:18] <{Soap}> Malleus could be a cabal by himself
[19:18] <Seddon> crazynas: Its what dyslexic people watch their tv on
[19:18] <BarkingFish> barts1a: How about this for an error? I'd love Windows to pop this baby up, just once :)
[19:18] <BarkingFish> http://imgur.com/J3D8V
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[19:19] <TParis> Malleus & Crew are the "blame the victim or police for my crime" type it seems.
[19:19] <crazynas> Seddon: heh, nice
[19:19] <BarkingFish> I made that a couple of years ago to piss one of my friends off, I set it to pop up everytime he started XP up
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[19:19] <barts1a> Mine has thrown up that error. It's called a Blue Screen of Death
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[19:20] <BarkingFish> Yeah, I was just fed up with him saying how much better XP was than linux, so I decided to have some fun with him.
[19:20] <{Soap}> cute
[19:20] <Steven_Zhang> TParis: you mean a cabal, right?
[19:21] <Steven_Zhang> Seddon: lol.
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[19:23] <funnyfarm299> Does A7 apply for conventions?
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[19:24] <Snowolf> funnyfarm299: if you have to ask, no it doesn't.
[19:24] <Snowolf> I thought I explained this above...
[19:24] <funnyfarm299> Convention = Club imho
[19:24] <funnyfarm299> I tagged it.
[19:24] <Snowolf> How is a convention a club
[19:25] <juancarlos> this is why we can't have nice things
[19:25] <TParis> cabel/cabal, w/e.
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[19:26] <Gfoley4> lol
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[19:30] <funnyfarm299> This hurts to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_iarrobino
[19:31] <GorillaWarfare> funnyfarm299: Not anymore
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[19:31] <BarkingFish> funnyfarm299: not only does it hurt to read, it's nigh on impossible to do so...
[19:31] <funnyfarm299> ;)
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[19:32] <funnyfarm299> Can someone check this out? I have no idea how to respond to this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3aHarpistamary&oldid=467267369
[19:33] <Guerillero> leave it
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[19:35] <funnyfarm299> HEWY EVRRYBODYZ! I MADEZ A A BND! CAN I HAS AN ARTICLE FOR ITZ?
[19:35] <funnyfarm299>  /sarcasm
[19:35] <Guerillero> Steven: you are right
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[19:35] <Fluttershy-ENG> also
[19:35] <Steven_Zhang> Guerillero: hmm?
[19:35] <Guerillero> there may only be four arbs on the malleus case
[19:35] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[19:36] <Steven_Zhang> incoming arbs too.
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[19:36] <barts1a> a rather decent first case for the new crop
[19:36] <{Soap}> Malleus has an arbcom case now?
[19:36] <Guerillero> it will be huge
[19:36] <barts1a> yes
[19:36] <Guerillero> most of the community is coming out for it
[19:37] <Steven_Zhang> and i have to cover it :p
[19:37] <barts1a> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Malleus_Fatuorum
[19:37] <Steven_Zhang> great.
[19:37] <Steven_Zhang> fuck my life
[19:37] <crazynas> o.O
[19:37] <Guerillero> for what?
[19:38] <Steven_Zhang> arb report for the signpost
[19:38] <Guerillero> krill, corren, and ellen have all recused
[19:38] <Steven_Zhang> coren wont be an arb
[19:38] <barts1a> Coren IS an arb!
[19:39] <Guerillero> this case is part of the 2011 crew's load
[19:39] <Steven_Zhang> Yes.
[19:39] <Guerillero> not the 2012
[19:39] <Steven_Zhang> eh, it depends
[19:39] <Steven_Zhang> I'm not sure how it works.
[19:39] <Guerillero> the people who accept the case take it
[19:39] <barts1a> eitherway they won't be in this one
[19:39] <barts1a> If I was an arb I would rescue myself from this case as well
[19:40] <Steven_Zhang> I'd accept.
[19:40] <Steven_Zhang> i think i'll work on my draft here. http://stevezhang.wikinet.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-12-26/Arbitration_report
[19:41] <GabrielF> ok I have a new favorite quote from a wikipedia article I read today:
[19:41] <{Soap}> ah, so Malleus is blocked yet again
[19:41] <GabrielF> "hree facts I found interesting is Ronnie Grisanti’s is only open Monday-Saturday between the hours of 5:00 P.M and 10:00 P.M., Ronnie Grisanti’s offers catering, and one of the recipes, Elfo Special, is featured in Mary and Vincent Price cookbook."
[19:41] <Fluffernutter> i think he's unblocked at the moment, for participating in the case
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[19:41] <barts1a> Fluffernutter: He was reblocked at his request
[19:41] <GabrielF> please don't post your homework to wikipedia!
[19:41] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah
[19:42] <GorillaWarfare> Do you know why Krill, Coren, and Ellen all recused?
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[19:43] <barts1a> {Soap} The story that I can see behind this is that Malleus said the word "cunt" directed at nobody in particular but someone took offence 19 hours after it was resolved and decided to indef block Malleus. He was then unblocked by John after discussion on ANI then reblocked by Hawkeye7 with a false claim of a consensus to reblock on ANI
[19:44] <barts1a> then the arbcom case happened
[19:44] <{Soap}> yeah
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[19:44] <{Soap}> I was here for the first part
[19:44] <BarkingFish> barts1a: There was also a threat to go to arbcom by Protonk if Malleus was unblocked from Thumperwad's hit.
[19:44] <BarkingFish> that was on the AN/I thread last night
[19:45] <barts1a> It was  Alexandria who filed the case
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[19:46] <GorillaWarfare> What a mess
[19:46] <{Soap}> Please restore the block, as I will be taking no part in this farce. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 16:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
[19:46] <BarkingFish> I'm aware who filed it, barts1a - what I'm saying is that someone else took the opportunity to do so
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[19:46] <Peter-C> Oh, hello there
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[19:46] <BarkingFish> That threat was obviously not limited to one person
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[19:46] <{Soap}> gorilla: no, why did they recuse?
[19:46] <Guerillero> lol name twin
[19:46] <{Soap}> Im still curious for the answer
[19:46] <GorillaWarfare> {Soap}: I have no idea, hence why I asked
[19:46] <barts1a> I have to agree with Malleus that it is rather farcical that someone faked consensus for a block
[19:46] <{Soap}> oh
[19:47] <{Soap}> sorry
[19:47] <Fluttershy-ENG> My cat is up here. :3
[19:47] <Peter-C> BarkingFish
[19:47] <{Soap}> I misread that as a 'leading' question
[19:47] <Peter-C> I am officaily in the next EMT class!
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[19:47] <GorillaWarfare> Perhaps because they know him to well... but then again he's got 120,000+ edits. Kind of hard not to run into him once or twice.
[19:47] <GorillaWarfare> *too
[19:47] <{Soap}> Mayvbe they just like Malleus too much to be impartial
[19:47] <causasui> Malleus wouldn't have to worry about people faking consensus if he would quit being a royal dick whenever he felt like it.
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[19:47] <Thorncrag> I think there is impartiality all over the board
[19:47] <Guerillero> I am a fan of malleus so I am not impartial
[19:47] <Thorncrag> just my two cents.
[19:47] <BarkingFish> Peter-C: Good man.  Let's hope you get on and do well.
[19:48] <GorillaWarfare> causasui: Of all dickish things he's said, that's not the worst. It's hardly offensive and, as Chzz pointed out to me, somewhat cultural.
[19:48] <Peter-C> GorillaWarfare - I was in class doing research and I was all like "I KNO THAT GURL!" - cool story, right?
[19:48] <BarkingFish> Guerillero: That's possibly why some of the arbs have recused themselves - they've dealt with him before.
[19:48] <Steven_Zhang> GorillaWarfare, probably for great justice and epic lulz
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[19:48] <GorillaWarfare> BarkingFish: If that's why they recused, pretty soon we'll have no arbs left to deal with the case
[19:49] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[19:49] <Steven_Zhang> ya
[19:49] <Guerillero> GorillaWarfare: thats why this is fun to watch
[19:49] <Thorncrag> situations like the malleus one are allowed to explode cataclysmically because we don't have enough bright line rules and automatic penalties (meaning, too much discretion) -- that's just my opinion
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[19:49] <causasui> GorillaWarfare: No, it's not the worst thing he's said. So what? Once we let the worst thing slide, is he permanently allowed to say anything because it's "not as bad as that other thing we let go"?
[19:49] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - Ideally I will get an A+++ as I have been waiting for this moment for 2 years :P
[19:49] <causasui> The problem is a pattern of behavior
[19:50] <Guerillero> he isn't that bad
[19:50] <causasui> What is "that bad"?
[19:50] <Guerillero> you just can't talk down to him
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[19:50] <GorillaWarfare> causasui: I feel like I'm one of the more sensitive people to incivility around here, but even that wouldn't have set off many alarms for me
[19:50] <Seddon> Guerillerio: minus the down
[19:50] <BarkingFish> GorillaWarfare: That is one reason why I'd like to see a reserve arbcom - if too many people recuse, we need others who can take their place to form a decent number who will take the case on
[19:50] <NuclearWarfare> No, not really
[19:50] <{Soap}> hmm
[19:50] <{Soap}> a reserve arbcom
[19:51] <BarkingFish> At the moment we only have 3 arbs prepared to here this out of a total of god knows how many we have
[19:51] <GorillaWarfare> BarkingFish: It's Malleus. Everyone knows him one way or another, and everyone has an opinion about him.
[19:51] <NuclearWarfare> A case can be handled with 3 people if necessary quite easily
[19:51] <funnyfarm299> I've never heard of him...
[19:51] <Guerillero> Seddon: I have held a wonderful conversation with him
[19:51] <{Soap}> lol
[19:51] <causasui> Guerillero: I don't buy this either. There is somehow this mood out there that Malleus is excused for flaming because he's always "provoked". Well, he's obviously easily provoked, because he's back on AN/I every week with some dickish comment. People have free will and nobody typed the flaming for him.
[19:51] <NuclearWarfare> If it turns out there is someone that absolutely everyone has an opinion on, you handle things by the doctrine of necessity
[19:51] <Steven_Zhang> we should have a three strikes rule
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[19:51] <mindspillage> we've always had our hardest problems dealing with people who never have any one incident so bad that it alone is worth a great deal of trouble, but who constantly push that line.
[19:51] <Seddon> lol you make it sound like it was a sigular incident :P
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[19:51] <Seddon> singular*
[19:51] <causasui> QFT mindspillage
[19:51] <Steven_Zhang> reserve arbcom
[19:51] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[19:51] <Steven_Zhang> >_>
[19:52] <NuclearWarfare> rule of necessity*
[19:52] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, the sam spade line? ;-)
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[19:52] <mindspillage> kim_bruning: something like that.
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[19:52] <kim_bruning> wow, lots of DR people today :-P
[19:52] <barts1a> Necessity is the mother of all invention
[19:52] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, O:-)
[19:52] <Doc_glasgow> DR?
[19:52] <kim_bruning> Dispute Resolution
[19:52] <Guerillero> as far as flamers go, ottova was much worse
[19:52] <Steven_Zhang> what the hell is with no-one knowing what DR means
[19:52] <mindspillage> (and sometimes we've just lain in wait for the one incident and reacted to it because finally something to hang a sanction on, when really it was just an excuse to snaction the pattern of behavior)
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[19:52] <Thorncrag> BarkingFish: I'm working on a proposal with more than one arbcom
[19:53] <causasui> The problem could be easily solved. Malleus can quit being a dick, no matter what happens. Nothing will be lost by that and everything will be gained. So why do people suggest he shouldn't be expected to do that?
[19:53] <Thehelpfulone> Steven_Zhang: people obviously don't resolve disputes :P
[19:53] <Steven_Zhang> you all digust me :P
[19:53] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: wow, you and mindspillage in IRC, and a Christmas inciviliy block case before arbcom. It could be 2006 all over again
[19:53] <funnyfarm299> G11? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User+talk%3aElevateSEM&oldid=467272054
[19:53] <Guerillero> yes
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[19:53] <funnyfarm299> NUKE IT
[19:53] <Steven_Zhang> does anyone know how Jorgenov made those graphs?
[19:53] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, Oh, I haven't looked at Arbcom in .... forever. A greater hive of villany and wretchedness and all that
[19:53] <mindspillage> I wouldn't mind going back to 2006 and getting a do-over.
[19:53] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: why would a troll want to stop trollin
[19:54] <Seddon> Guerillero: RE: Ottava I will not disagree with you :)
[19:54] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, what would you do different?
[19:54] <Guerillero> was 2006 a giano case
[19:54] <Thehelpfulone> funnyfarm299: done
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[19:54] <kim_bruning> funnyfarm299, already nuked
[19:54] <barts1a> funnyfarm: G11, G7, G1....
[19:54] <causasui> Doc_glasgow: Indeed, if there are no consequences to trolling
[19:54] <BarkingFish> Thorncrag: I'm interested in having a look at that. Can you drop details on my talk page please?
[19:54] <barts1a> damn ninjas
[19:54] <mindspillage> kim_bruning: depends on whether I got to take my current knowledge back with me. :-P
[19:54] <Doc_glasgow> 2006 was a Giano case, and 2007, and 2008 ...
[19:54] <GabrielF> I wrote an article about something similar to a "reserve arbcom" - the first time women got to be judges in Texas happened in 1925 when basically every male lawyer in the state had to recuse himself from a case
[19:54] <{Soap}> GabrielF: interesting
[19:54] <{Soap}> what was it about?
[19:54] <GabrielF> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortense_Sparks_Ward
[19:55] <barts1a> Block! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ElevateSEM
[19:55] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, we'll consider it. I'll get the delorean, we can ask Fluffernutter to snarf a flux capacitor, and Mako can do the time circuits?
[19:55] <{Soap}> ah
[19:55] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: your problem is that every time you get on a soapbox and demand arbcom take strong action against a troll, all you do is feed him
[19:55] <Fluffernutter> wha
[19:55] <{Soap}> not as exciting as I thought
[19:55] <{Soap}> but OK
[19:55] <Guerillero> Doc_glasgow: he can be a ton of fun at times :P
[19:55] <GabrielF> it was about a fraternal organization called Woodmen of the World (sort of like the Mason's I guess) which paid out insurance benefits to menbers and all the judges in Texas were members
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[19:55] <causasui> Doc_glasgow: Funny, I don't remember doing it in the past, do you remember other incidents?
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[19:56] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, but what do we do when we get there?
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[19:56] <Doc_glasgow> Guerillero: he's got no style whatsoever - give me Giano anytime. He could do it without using fuck
[19:56] <causasui> Doc_Glasgow: On top of that are you suggesting we [[WP:RBI]] Malleus?
[19:56] <mindspillage> I didn't think Fluffernutter's company lent those out at all actually.
[19:56] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, hence "snarf"
[19:56] <mindspillage> kim_bruning: we do over, of course...
[19:56] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: by "you", I meant "one"
[19:56] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: no, because the block bit doesn't work
[19:56] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, ah, yes...
[19:57] <causasui> Yeah, the block bit doesn't work, so you have to get arbcom to resolve it. Catch-22? The troll is fed while he's on death row.
[19:58] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: nope, because arbcom will do nothin
[19:58] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, failing do-overs, I think we need to figure out how to take the poison out of CVU
[19:58] <barts1a> TY SDPatrolBot! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ElevateSEM&diff=467272422&oldid=467272410
[19:59] <kim_bruning> although in the end it's all just symptoms
[19:59] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: go read the old Giano cases. the arbitration ought to be rejected - it will acheive nothing but drama
[19:59] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, the giano cases were a disaster
[19:59] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: exactly
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[20:00] <barts1a> !admin requesting nuke and block on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ElevateSEM
[20:00] <kim_bruning> a lot of my friends all ended up not talking to each other (and me)
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[20:00] <log> barts1a: Don't abuse that stalkword, please.
[20:00] <NuclearWarfare> barts1a: No need to abuse !_admin
[20:00] <causasui> What's really screwed up about community dispute resolution is that there are people out there who think that admins responding to incivility is the cause of the disruption, not the underlying bad behavior
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[20:01] <Seddon> damn you Thehelpfulone :P
[20:01] <kim_bruning> Hey, we get a donation appeal from Ward? I didn't realize he was even withWMF :-)
[20:01] <Thehelpfulone> :D
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[20:01] <Seddon> kim_bruning: he isnt :)
[20:01] <Thehelpfulone> Stelpa: could you disable that script please?
[20:01] <kim_bruning> https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserLandingPage?uselang=en&country=NL&template=Lp-layout-default&appeal-template=Appeal-template-default&appeal=Appeal-Ward&form-template=Form-template-whyyourdonation&form-countryspecific=Form-countryspecific-variable1&utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_source=B11_Donate_Ward_Accept_EN_NL&utm_campaign=C11_1114_AvsB_NL
[20:01] <log> o_O
[20:01] <kim_bruning> Seddon, then he's being rather nice, letting us use his picture and all
[20:01] <Stelpa> Thehelpfulone: what's wrong with it? sorry for setting myself to away :x
[20:01] <barts1a> tinyURL needed
[20:01] <Seddon> kim_bruning: He does like us :D
[20:02] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: the problem is that the admin who blocks for incivility IS causing disruption. Because the block won't hold. So the block does the opposite o what is intended. Civility blocks simply don't work
[20:02] <mindspillage> kim_bruning: he's an advisory board member.
[20:02] <Doc_glasgow> tey never have
[20:02] <Thehelpfulone> Stelpa: it just unnecessarily broadcasts 2 messages every time you go away to a channel with 187 users
[20:02] <kim_bruning> Seddon, and we like him
[20:02] <NuclearWarfare> Bit of a Catch-22 there
[20:02] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, I thought so :-)
[20:03] <NuclearWarfare> The block would hold and there would be no disruption if people didn't get all worked up about it
[20:03] <Thehelpfulone> if everyone did that, the channel would be full of floods all the time :S
[20:03] <kim_bruning> that makes sense then
[20:03] <mindspillage> (we like him. and sometimes we ask him stuff and he answers.)
[20:03] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, oooh, what kind of stuff do you ask him?
[20:03] <kim_bruning> and does he ever mention distributed wikis anymore? ;-)
[20:03] <mindspillage> kim_bruning: I don't remember; I'm usually not the one doing the asking!
[20:03] <causasui> Doc_glasgow Good to know, I'll go mark [[WP:CIVIL]] as historical
[20:03] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, bother!
[20:03] <Stelpa> ok, Thehelpfulone, i fixed it... sorry, i am new with scripts :X
[20:04] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, so what should one do for civility then, if not blocking
[20:04] <Moe_Epsilon> causasui: it might as well be
[20:04] <Thehelpfulone> Stelpa: no problem, we were all new once :) If you need any help with IRC or scripts, feel free to ask - I'll see what I can do to help :)
[20:04] <mindspillage> (the advisory board is basically "people we like who will feel obligated to answer our questions and help us out if we ask")
[20:04] <kim_bruning> causasui, no, the correct thing to do is add a note to [[WP:CIVIL]] stating that admins who block have a hard time of it
[20:04] <RaspberryAlison> Stelpa: yo
[20:04] <kim_bruning> mindspillage, clever ;-)
[20:04] <Stelpa> ty, Thehelpfulone... you really are helpful!
[20:04] <Stelpa> RaspberryAlison: !!!
[20:04] <Thehelpfulone> :D
[20:04] <Stelpa> hiya :D
[20:04] <RaspberryAlison> !!! indeed
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[20:05] <kim_bruning> causasui, at least, if policy hasn't gone totally fossil yet
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[20:05] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: causasui I'm just saying what is. the act is that regular users can't be blocked for incivility, the blocks only cause drama and grief
[20:05] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, right, so that needs to be documented
[20:05] <causasui> Doc_glasgow: Do you think that's a good thing?
[20:06] <RaspberryAlison> kim_bruning: I think I'm bigger than she is
[20:06] <kim_bruning> causasui, I think it just is
[20:06] <Doc_glasgow> causasui: no, but it is
[20:06] <Doc_glasgow> and it will not change
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[20:06] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, what's a more productive stratagem, if you happen to know?
[20:06] <Doc_glasgow> I banged my head against it in frustration through three arbcom cases
[20:07] <kim_bruning> RaspberryAlison, hmm, will require some tardis geometry then ;-)
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[20:07] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: the only solutions would require the type of governance changes that wikipedia is incapable of
[20:07] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, what are realistic solutions, and what are ideal solutions?
[20:08] <Thorncrag> is there an articles for creation channel
[20:08] <Doc_glasgow> there are no ealistic solutions
[20:08] <causasui> Welp I'll leave it up to people who want to keep trying then.
[20:09] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, that's very negative, there have to be mitigation strategies at the least :-)
[20:09] <Doc_glasgow> ideally, you need to accept that blocks on established users ought to be rare, thought through, and only reversed in cases of clear abuse.  You can't do that with 1400 equal admins
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[20:09] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, ok, why can't you do that with 1400 admins? (of whom possible 140 are very active?)
[20:09] <Doc_glasgow> because they are not collegial enough
[20:10] <Doc_glasgow> and civility will alway be subjective
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[20:10] <Doc_glasgow> so someone will always disagree
[20:10] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, ok, that might not be a bad thing
[20:10] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, perhaps the problem is with the blocking
[20:10] <Moe_Epsilon> uh, 1500+ admins*  740+ active*
[20:10] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, would some other action be more effective?
[20:10] <Doc_glasgow> and the disagrement can be gamed by the clever troll
[20:10] <kim_bruning> Moe_Epsilon, still too little, but better :-)
[20:11] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, right, so we need to figure some other course of action
[20:11] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: no, not really. A deterrent needs to remove something the person values
[20:11] <Moe_Epsilon> if inactive > active, problems :p
[20:11] <Doc_glasgow> and other than editing, what is there?
[20:11] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, do we want a deterrant?
[20:11] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, or do we want to just prevent further incivility?
[20:12] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: discipline (of any type) needs a deterrent. Unless you really believe the wikilove jimbofluff
[20:12] <Steven_Zhang> All, how does this look? http://i42.tinypic.com/359iejc.png
[20:12] <Doc_glasgow> How do you prevent, without a consequence
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[20:13] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, I only believe deterrants are required for external discipline
[20:13] <kim_bruning> unless I am mistaken :-)
[20:13] <Doc_glasgow> so, how do you enforce internal discipline?
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[20:14] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, you don't. That's why it is called internal discipline
[20:14] <Doc_glasgow> eh?
[20:14] <Doc_glasgow> Ah, I mean "internal to the community"
[20:14] <kim_bruning> I mean internal to the person
[20:14] <Snowolf> in[ternal]discipline?
[20:14] <kim_bruning> and external to the person
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[20:15] <kim_bruning> there's at least 2 different ways of raising kids , one based on external and one based on internal discipline :-)
[20:15] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: you are presupposing that incivility stems from a lack of self-control.  The other possibility is that it is quite deliberately chosen
[20:15] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, and when quite deliberately chosen, it could well be a utilitarian calculation :-)
�06[20:15] * kim_bruning very rarely does that
[20:15] <Steven_Zhang> anyone
[20:15] <Steven_Zhang> ?
[20:15] <Guerillero> both are true
[20:16] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: yup,
[20:16] <kim_bruning> BrutalSarcasm and that ilk
[20:16] <Doc_glasgow> but if my utility is to enjoy provoking people?
[20:16] <kim_bruning> that's not not what I mean by "utilitarian" in general. ;-)
[20:16] <kim_bruning> it's a philosophy on what is right and wrong.
[20:17] <kim_bruning> but if you are only on wp to provoke people, you're obviously not working on an encyclopedia
[20:17] <kim_bruning> ;-)
[20:17] <Snowolf> Some people are here for both :)
[20:17] <kim_bruning> But then you can just block them, not just for civility, usually :-P
[20:17] <Doc_glasgow> it isn't that binary
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[20:17] <kim_bruning> Snowolf, and aren't those the interesting ones!
[20:18] <Snowolf> Interesting isn't the first word I'd pick, but I understand what you mean
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[20:18] <Doc_glasgow> most people are on wikipedia for njoyment
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[20:18] <kim_bruning> Snowolf, for chinese values of
[20:18] <Doc_glasgow> they may enjoy creating content, and enjoy provoking people
[20:18] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, still? People are shocked when I suggest that these days, sometimes
[20:19] <kim_bruning> right, so then we need to make it more enyoable for them to create content than to provoke people
[20:19] <Doc_glasgow> no one edits Wikipedia for pure altruism (that's just Jimbofluff)
[20:19] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, you say that word "jimbofluff' like you didn't just make that up on the spot
[20:19] <Snowolf> It's an expressive word tho
[20:19] <Doc_glasgow> I made it up some time ago
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[20:23] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: I googled to see when I'd first used "Jimbofluff" - I found it in a mailing list post, which is basically agreeing with what you are saying now http://osdir.com/ml/wikien-l/2011-02/msg00016.html
[20:23] <BarkingFish> Shirik: just to let you know, that Thomas and Friends AFD, nawlinwiki's closed it as a speedy per G3
[20:24] <Steven_Zhang> does anyone know a tool to find out how many times a page was edited in a certain amount of days?
[20:24] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, right. More carrots
[20:24] <kim_bruning> ...
[20:24] <kim_bruning> (less sticks)
[20:24] <kim_bruning> or, given that we don't have any decent sticks
[20:24] <kim_bruning> we may need to resort to carrots as our only hope
[20:25] <Doc_glasgow> ha, that post of mine was really rather good
[20:25] <{Soap}> steven Zhang, well theres a hit counter
[20:25] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, yeah, it was :-PO
[20:25] <{Soap}> for the edit counter I guess you just have the article history page
[20:25] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, you should read it sometime ;-)
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[20:25] <kim_bruning> Hello ironholds! :-)
[20:25] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: problem is it won't work. We have no leader
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[20:26] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, <sigh> why do we need *1* leader?
[20:26] <Steven_Zhang> {Soap}: thats for watched only, yeah?
[20:26] <Steven_Zhang> maybe Ironholds knows
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[20:26] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, I thought we were all supposed to be leaders ;-)
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[20:26] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: that's the problem
[20:27] <Ironholds> hmn?
[20:27] <Ironholds> hey, kim_bruning!
[20:27] <Ironholds> what's the question?
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[20:27] <kim_bruning> Ironholds, I saw you being nice to our finnish friend on fondation-l. I would ask you what you did to the real ironholds... but you know? You can keep him ;-)
[20:27] <Ironholds> he's in a cage in my basement
[20:27] <Ironholds> every day, he makes nails with a lump of iron and a tiny file
[20:27] <kim_bruning> Oh good. be sure to give him plenty of bread and water then
[20:27] <Ironholds> every night, I nail him to the wall for 12 hours so he can rest
[20:27] <Ironholds> and repeat.
[20:27] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: I was wanted?
[20:27] <kim_bruning> Ironholds, :-P
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> yeah
[20:28] <lucasoutloud> That sounds like the perfect exotic vacation.
[20:28] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, well, that's where consensus can come in, can't it?
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[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> Ironholds: is there a way to find out how often a page was edited within a period of time?
[20:28] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, if 1 person likes getting into fights, and 2 people don't want them to...
[20:28] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: yes, that's the model that is currently failing
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> i need it for the arb report
[20:28] <kim_bruning> Steven_Zhang, you can do it by hand if you like
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> i have http://i42.tinypic.com/359aha8.png <- that
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> lol..
[20:28] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, why is that model failing?
[20:28] <Steven_Zhang> nty
[20:28] <GabrielF> don't do 3D pie charts
[20:29] <BarkingFish> Ironholds: I don't suppose you have a few quick moments to discuss what I spoke about last night, do you?
[20:29] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: no idea, but it is
[20:29] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, why do you say it's failing? ;-)
[20:29] <Steven_Zhang> GabrielF: eh, ok
[20:29] <Ironholds> BarkingFish: I forget what it was, I'm afraid!
[20:29] <GabrielF> they distort the area of each slice
[20:29] <BarkingFish> Pm ok, Ironholds?
[20:29] <Ironholds> BarkingFish: sure!
[20:29] <Seddon> BarkingFish: were you serious about Thomas and Friends?
[20:29] <BarkingFish> thanks
[20:29] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, maybe it's because people think we need some other model, and aren't paying attention to it? ;-)
[20:29] <BarkingFish> Seddon: yes
[20:29] <Seddon> WTF???????
[20:29] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, do we need some sort of patrol or so?
[20:29] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: nooo idea.
[20:29] <kim_bruning> Seddon, OMG!
[20:29] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: that's where we came in. We've got incivil people - massive of drama - and no resolution (rinse and repeat)
[20:30] <Steven_Zhang> does anyone have an idea?
[20:30] <BarkingFish> It wasn't Thomas and Friends, it was a purported spin off - which doesn't exist and from what I can find, never did
[20:30] <Ironholds> Doc_glasgow: that's not a failure of consensus, actually
[20:30] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: a civility patrol? Good grief, NO
[20:30] <BarkingFish> Just in the imagination of some blogger who thought he'd spread it a bit, Seddon
[20:30] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, right. I used to secretly have a provocateur that got that kind of person off the wiki :-P
[20:30] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, Shhh!
[20:30] <Seddon> BarkingFish: ohhhhhhhh good, you nearly made me go on a rampage :P
[20:30] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, because if they start out being incivil and all, you can usually provoke them to do themselves in
[20:31] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, that's one (dirty) way of doing it. I'm not sure it's the best way
[20:31] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, how many cases are unresolved atm?
[20:31] <lucasoutloud> Augh, I think twinkle has half-broken on me.
[20:31] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: that's incredibly inefficient, and leads to lots of disruptive drama and time wasting
[20:31] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, Like I said, there have to be better ways :-)
[20:31] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, but how big is the problem, atm?
[20:32] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: depends at what end of the scale
[20:32] <Doc_glasgow> I suppose you could just ignore the incivilit
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[20:32] <Doc_glasgow> and get on with other things
[20:32] <Doc_glasgow> just make [[WP:CIVIL]] a guideline
[20:32] <BarkingFish> Seddon: I know Thomas and Friends exists, this one had the most extraordinary cast of people providing voices, including two who are known dead :P
[20:32] <Doc_glasgow> and tell admins not to block
[20:33] <BarkingFish> If it wasn't a hoax, there's a medium involved
[20:33] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, apparently, that would be a good start
[20:34] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, but we still want people to be nice to each other
[20:34] <kim_bruning> Doc_glasgow, you could just be disgustingly nice to the provocateurs? ;-)
[20:34] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: ou can ask tem nicely to do that
[20:34] <Doc_glasgow> and i they tell you to go fuck yourself?
[20:36] <kim_bruning> Well, that can be an enjoyabvle afternoo... No wait
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[20:36] <kim_bruning> well, I guess we need to figure out where "the line" is
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[20:37] <kim_bruning> Maybe something like 3RR but for civility?
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[20:37] <Thorncrag> The only way to really deal with incivility is to make automatic penalties for breaking clearly defined rules
[20:37] <Thorncrag> take out all discretion
[20:37] <kim_bruning> like, sure, everyone is a little incivil at times, but if you get 3 complaints in one day from different people, you've definitely gone too far?
[20:37] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, to some extent, but that IS gameable
[20:38] <Ironholds> kim_bruning: so's 3RR ;p
[20:38] <Thorncrag> A hell of a lot less game able than it is now
[20:38] <Ironholds> so if I call you a cunt twice a day, every day, for a year, I'm fine? :P
[20:38] <kim_bruning> I'm very much against taking out discretion, in general
[20:38] <Doc_glasgow> kim_bruning: as I said in the post I linked. Any objective definition of civility (which could look like a 3RR) would end up counting sweary words
[20:38] <kim_bruning> that's in general though
[20:38] <Thorncrag> kim_bruning: I agree, but too much discretion is what causes so many of these disputes
[20:39] <Thorncrag> and then fuels them
[20:39] <Doc_glasgow> You cannot define civility
[20:39] <Doc_glasgow> it is too easy to game
[20:39] <kim_bruning> if it's undefinable, we can't have hard rules on it
[20:39] <Prodego> treat others respectfully
[20:39] <abartov> kim_bruning: Cunningham does indeed still talk about distributed wikis.  At least he was when I met him at WikiSym in October 2011.
[20:39] <Prodego> and you have nothing to worry about
[20:39] <abartov> kim_bruning: but I'm not really here, gotta run.
[20:39] <kim_bruning> abartov, <grin>Coolness. I wonder how he's doing
[20:39] <kim_bruning> abartov, tell me more sometime!
[20:39] <Doc_glasgow> So I can't call you a troll, but I can say "your edits could perhaps be mistaken for trolling"
[20:40] <kim_bruning> well, doesn't the british lower house have cool rules about this?
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[20:40] <pakaran> [[unparlimentary language]]?
[20:40] <kim_bruning> I'm sure JamesF would know, it seems like his klind of hobby
[20:41] <kim_bruning> pakaran, I was looking for that for so long! Thanks!
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[20:41] <Thorncrag> I agree it's hard to define, but really, you generally know it when you see it
[20:41] <pakaran> i don't think swearing is the issue.  there's a big, big diference between saying on an article talk page, where relevant, "the source indicates that King John fucked his brother over" and saying to another editor "You're an incompetent, inbred, incestious moron who should stop editing wikipedia and shoot yourself, ideally in the other order"
[20:42] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, apparently not. Else there would be no disputes about blocking for incivility, eh? ;-)
[20:42] <BarkingFish> pakaran: The issue is not just swearing, it's general overall civility. Politeness, friendliness, something conducive to a pleasant atmosphere.
[20:42] <kim_bruning> hey, if you're being creative in your insults, that's something, at least
[20:42] <pakaran> and malleus, recurrently, fails at that
[20:43] <BarkingFish> MF is way beyond that, yet because he's such a good contributor (apparently), no bugger will get the fucking banhammer and hit him with it.
[20:43] <Thorncrag> kim_bruning: A fair point, although to your point of gaming, I think some people act intellectually dishonest in their defenses simply due to their bias/support for their people
[20:43] <BarkingFish> Cause they're all too freaking scared of the repercussions of it
[20:43] <Prodego> BarkingFish: no one gets away with it who does
[20:43] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, balance, right?
[20:43] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, seems very likely, yes :-)
[20:43] <BarkingFish> Prodego: precisely. And that's wrong.
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[20:44] <BarkingFish> Regardless of how much somebody contributes, and how much good they do, NOBODY is above process.
[20:44] <Prodego> probably yes, we should apply the same policy to everyone
[20:44] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, oooh, you're a process-ist then?
[20:44] <Thorncrag> For instance (and a assert I am completely neutral in the Malleus matter), a user's positive contributions has no bearing on whether a rule has been broken
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[20:44] <BarkingFish> kim_bruning: I'm in favor of "just because you're good, doesn't mean you're exempt from what everyone else suffers"
[20:44] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, you're thinking it's VestedContributor ?
[20:44] <Thorncrag> It is however a mitigating factor in issuing a punishment
[20:45] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, did we punish people then?
[20:45] <BarkingFish> Where there are rules, they should be applied consistently, across the board, and to everyone.
[20:45] <Thorncrag> well, substitute punishment with… responsive action? :)
[20:45] <kim_bruning> I thought we only tried to prevent and mitigate negative behaviour (by fair means or foul)
[20:45] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, well, since wikipedia has no real rules, that's a bit of an issue :-)
[20:45] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, how do we solve it here?
[20:45] <Thorncrag> Too true; I'm wondering, how many times has a sysop been blocked for incivility?
[20:46] <BarkingFish> kim_bruning: we have policies
[20:46] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, they're more like patterns than like rules though
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[20:46] <pakaran> Thorncrag, it was one major issue (along with editing with CoI) in Ed Poor being removed as a sysop.
[20:46] <pakaran> And he was one of the first editors we *had*.
[20:46] <kim_bruning> pakaran, Eh? When was Ed Poor ever incivil? Certainly never to me
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[20:47] <BarkingFish> kim_bruning: yes, but when they clearly state at the top "This page documents an English Wikipedia policy, a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow."
[20:47] <Thorncrag> pakaran: ahh yes, but consider the fact that that required a major process right? whereas a non-sysop is often just blocked, right? Just pointing out a potential issue here
[20:47] <kim_bruning> pakaran, Ed overreached himself a couple of times.
[20:47] <pakaran> i may be misremembering; I'm sorry if so
[20:47] <BarkingFish> I would say that's fairly impassible
[20:47] <BarkingFish> a widely accepted standard that ALL EDITORS should normally follow.
[20:47] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, it's widely accepted and you should normally follow it
[20:47] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, what about abnormally?
[20:47] <pakaran> i see no reason sysops shouldn't be blocked for incivility
[20:48] <BarkingFish> Not "A widely accepted standard that most should follow, but you can get away with it if you're too fucking good at your job to lose"
[20:48] <Thorncrag> BarkingFish: These are exactly the types of things I am addressing in my proposal
[20:48] <pakaran> quite a few of the most active have been blocked for 3rr.
[20:48] <kim_bruning> pakaran, well, apparently some people would... and some of them are sysops ;-)
[20:48] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, let's not make policies even more fossilized than they already are, shall we?
[20:49] <kim_bruning> it's one of the ways to kill a wiki: strangle the life out of it
[20:49] <BarkingFish> no, but at the same time, let's not give people exemption from them either
[20:49] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, you want to repeal IAR?
[20:49] <BarkingFish> they exist for a reason, and it's not to be applied at will to whoever you think fit
[20:49] <BarkingFish> kim_bruning: I'd do that in a heartbeat given the chance
[20:49] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, oh, I thought that was the whole point of wikipedia policy
[20:49] <Thorncrag> IAR should only be permitted when it comes strictly to content
[20:50] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, Thorncrag : well, good to know who is out to kill the wiki then ;-)
[20:50] <pakaran> 90% of people who cite IAR don't understand it.
[20:50] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, IAR is especially important in meta-situations actually
[20:50] <BarkingFish> kim_bruning: I'm not out to kill it.  I'm out to level the fucking playing field.
[20:50] <kim_bruning> pakaran, 90% of people who cite anything or do anything are crap at it ;-)
[20:50] <Thorncrag> It doesn't make sense… IAR was invented to allow someone to build content
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[20:50] <BarkingFish> One person shouldn't be exempt from following policy because the other 99.9% can't suck their balls up and apply it to them.
[20:51] <Prodego> BarkingFish: that's how consensus works
[20:51] <bep> is there a catfight going on in here p.p
[20:51] <Prodego> none of our rules are hard
[20:51] <kim_bruning> BarkingFish, actually, that's a good reason why someone might be exempted from following policy :-)
[20:51] <Prodego> if we decide the don't apply to someone then that's not fair, but that's also just how it goes
[20:51] <Steven_Zhang> Does anyone here have a toolserv account?
[20:51] <kim_bruning> and sometimes -while not "fair"- it's definitely beneficial to the encyclopedia
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[20:51] <Prodego> possibly
[20:52] <kim_bruning> Now Doc_glasgow was naming some situations where we have had outcomes where it is neither fair *nor* beneficial to the encyclopedia
[20:52] <Prodego> not necessarily
[20:52] <kim_bruning> I can totally agree that we can modify our procedures there
[20:52] <kim_bruning> Prodego, hmm, good point
[20:52] <kim_bruning> bep, I hope not :-)
[20:52] <bep> oh good
[20:53] <pakaran> sigh
[20:53] <pakaran> i really don't like seeing an article in a state like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi-b_3P linked from the main page
[20:53] <pakaran> but i don't know nearly enough physics to fix it
[20:54] <Prodego> pakaran: well that's not going on the main page
[20:54] <{Soap}> so the underscore is part of the name?
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[20:55] <pakaran> oh right, duh
[20:55] <pakaran> it's linked from CE, sorry
[20:55] <pakaran> i'm embarassed now
[20:55] <pakaran> still less than good, but not so bad
[20:56] <{Soap}> I added {{DISPLAYTITLE:Chi_b (3P)}} to the title
[20:57] <Prodego> I'm supposed to know physics, but ehh no
[20:57] <Prodego> no idea
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[20:57] <Prodego> yes
[20:57] <pakaran> i didn't know individual particles even could have excited states
[20:57] <Prodego> the underscore belongs
[20:58] <{Soap}> ok
[20:58] <Prodego> pakaran: well, 'excited states' when you talk about these energies is not the same thing as at lower energy
[20:58] <Prodego> it is so much energy that you can change entirely what it is
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[21:00] <pakaran> so it's a very different notion than, say, an excited fluorescent molecule?
[21:01] <Prodego> ought to be :)
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[21:03] <Prodego> more like how you can have a neutron decay into a proton and electron/positron (and neutrino)
[21:03] <lucasoutloud> Is the Preferences panel on Wikipedia not working for anyone else?
[21:04] <Prodego> actually probably just electron
[21:04] <Prodego> has to be
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[21:07] <Sp33dyphil> I'm in the process of creating a barnstar
[21:07] <Sp33dyphil> does anyone know all the steps?
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[21:08] <Addihockey10> lucasoutloud: Huh?
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[21:12] <foks> Might have to tempban Prodego if he's going to bounce like that
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[21:12] <lucasoutloud> Addihockey10: My preferences pane on en.wikipedia isn't working.
[21:12] <Steven_Zhang> Anyone around here have a good edit stats tool
[21:12] <Steven_Zhang> need to see how many times pages have been edited
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[21:16] <funnyfarm299> Can someone address this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Judith1LG.jpg
[21:19] <{Soap}> i replied
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[21:19] <{Soap}> wait no
[21:19] <{Soap}> edit conflict
[21:20] <funnyfarm299> Oh god, why do people think wikipedia will respond to this shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template+talk%3aEducation+in+Indonesia&oldid=467279218
[21:20] <{Soap}> I was going to say
[21:20] <{Soap}> :Just let them know that by releasing the picture for use on Wikipedia, they release it for use everywhere and can no longer claim copyright on it elsewhere. If they agree to that then it will qualify for the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. ~~~~
[21:20] <{Soap}> lol
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[21:21] <{Soap}> he made some edits to another page yesterday
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[21:21] <Steven_Zhang> hi TParis
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[21:22] <GabrielF> funny farm - this is typical nonprofit stuff, once you do something for somebody they think you'll do everything else for them
[21:22] <TParis> Hey
[21:22] <GabrielF> that's why someone once mailed ralph nader his transmission because he couldn't get anyone else to fix it
[21:24] <funnyfarm299> Delete under G1?
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[21:26] <Sp33dyphil> hi Nascar1996
[21:26] <lucasoutloud> Oh, wow, my popupblocker is what was causing my preference page problems.
[21:26] <Nascar1996> Hi Sp33dyphil
[21:28] <funnyfarm299> Is there a welcome message for people who have NOT contributed?
[21:28] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: Yes.
[21:29] <funnyfarm299> Link or {{}} please?
[21:29] <lucasoutloud> If you use Twinkle, you should be able to find it with ease.
[21:29] <lucasoutloud> Oh, let me find it.
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[21:29] <Fluffernutter> it's generally frowned on to welcoem people who havwenm't edited, i thoughht
[21:29] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: {{Welcome}} is the standard one.
�06[21:29] * Sp33dyphil frowns intently
[21:30] <Nascar1996> I'm finally able to use Twinkle now.
[21:30] <funnyfarm299> Fluffernutter, they asked for help on their userpage.
[21:30] <Prodego> what is this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AdvancedReviewLog
[21:30] <Sp33dyphil> a user might make heaps of accounts, and only edits with one
[21:31] <lucasoutloud> Twinkle got messed up for me because my "awesome pop-up blocker" extension in chrome.  I even whitelisted en.wikipedia.org.
[21:31] <Kingpin13> Prodego, looks like it may be something to do with pending changes
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[21:32] <Addihockey10> Prodego: What the fuck did you do
[21:32] <funnyfarm299> well THIS is a good defense against {{db-hoax}} http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3aScewt&oldid=467281907
[21:32] <Prodego> Kingpin13: I think you are correct, but when did we change the page to this?
[21:33] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: What tools do you use in vandalism fighting?
[21:33] <{Soap}> only 6 "advanced review" edits in the entire history of Wikipedia?
[21:34] <funnyfarm299> And I will PAY someone (in karma)to find a reference on "Skewts"
[21:34] <funnyfarm299> lucasoutloud, I use TW and HG
[21:34] <funnyfarm299> OOH SOMEONE ATTACKED ME! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Funnyfarmofdoom&diff=467282187&oldid=467158488
�06[21:35] * lucasoutloud waits for derp|shopping to finish Huggle for Mac.
[21:35] <Thorncrag> LOL @ "Harrypooter"
�06[21:35] * Steven_Zhang is going to be ass raped D:
[21:35] <Sp33dyphil> does anyone use Opera here?
[21:35] <Addihockey10> Sp33dyphil is creeping me out
�06[21:35] * Addihockey10 contacts arbcom
�06[21:36] * Nascar1996 better look to see if anything is new for the NASCAR Christmas newsletter.
[21:37] <funnyfarm299> anyone remember the lightbulb specs guy from last night? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User+talk%3aFtmed&oldid=467282247
[21:37] <funnyfarm299> "The head surgeon temperature "?????????????????
[21:38] <Thorncrag> Okay, kim_bruning is officially sick of me, so the channel may have back!
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[21:40] <Nascar1996> Sp33dyphil:Thanks for wikifying  Doug McCoun‎.
[21:40] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, I am? I was? Since when?
[21:40] <Sp33dyphil> it's on your watchlist?
[21:41] <funnyfarm299> can anyone make sense of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National+inventory+football+league&oldid=467282918
[21:41] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, I have not handed in any "Sick of Thorncrag" forms in triplicate, nor signed any forms!
[21:41] <Tannerbaum> so I'm derping around, and someone shows me a site. I decide to portscan said site
[21:41] <kim_bruning> funnyfarm299, sounds like one of those football league games?
[21:41] <Tannerbaum> They have 1000 ports open
[21:41] <Thorncrag> kim_bruning: You are officially my favorite Wikipedian, ever.
[21:41] <Tannerbaum> okay, 994
[21:42] <Thorncrag> You dissevered the "Sick of Thorncrag" form stash
[21:42] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, *^_^*
[21:42] <Thorncrag> God Damn my autocorrect. Damn
[21:42] <funnyfarm299> Thorncrag, thanks, I think?
[21:42] <Thorncrag> dissevered?
[21:42] <Nascar1996> Sp33dyphil:If you were talking to me, no it is not on my watchlist. I seen it in the NASCAR  recent changes.
[21:42] <Sp33dyphil> k
[21:42] <kim_bruning> Tannerbaum, you 1337 d00d you! That's a lot of ports. Are they all actually in use too?
[21:42] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: Thought you could user a picker upper :)
[21:42] <Sp33dyphil> Nascar1996: wikified [[David Rogers]] too
[21:42] <Tannerbaum> kim_bruning: i'm not sure
�08[21:42] <derp> Sp33dyphil, i'm a regular opera user.
[21:43] <Tannerbaum> but i've never seen more than 50 or so open on a normal webserver
[21:43] <kim_bruning> intransitive verb. : to come apart : disunite.
[21:43] <Tannerbaum> I assume they're all open, but not used.
[21:43] <Nascar1996> Thanks. I didn't look that far down the page. :-)
�08[21:43] * derp likes the browser he works on at his job.
[21:43] <kim_bruning> Thorncrag, I'd love to dissever any forms you give me
[21:43] <Sp33dyphil> derp: do you have troubles with the "Find/Search" thingy on Opera?
�08[21:43] <derp> hey Nascar1996
[21:44] <funnyfarm299> Does this already exist? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List+of+Ethnic+Groups+by+Population&oldid=467283238
�08[21:44] * derp tests.
[21:44] <kim_bruning> Tannerbaum, you must find out, for SCIENCE!
[21:44] <Addihockey10> foks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-12-26/Arbitration_report Steven_Zhang wants this deleted
[21:44] <Tannerbaum> kim_bruning: How should I do that?
[21:44] <Nascar1996> hey derp
[21:44] <Tannerbaum> I don't want to individually ping each one
�08[21:44] <derp> Sp33dyphil, nope.
[21:44] <Steven_Zhang> i did not say that :P
[21:44] <kim_bruning> Tannerbaum, Oh I dunno, just give the site owner a few quid and ask 'em?
[21:44] <kim_bruning> Tannerbaum, errr, you just did. Portscanner :-P
[21:45] <Tannerbaum> kim_bruning: it shows ports in use, or open ports?
[21:45] <Sp33dyphil> derp: when I found something using "Find", and I close it, the browser brings me to the top of the paage
[21:45] <kim_bruning> ok, strictly speaking the portscanner was probably doing TCP, and pinging is ICMP .... :-P
[21:45] <kim_bruning> Tannerbaum, it shows open portsd
[21:45] <Tannerbaum> nmap shows open ports
[21:45] <kim_bruning> Tannerbaum, but I wonder why they are open open
[21:45] <funnyfarm299> HELLO attack page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jerrold_Neil
[21:45] <Aranda56> bleh
[21:46] <kim_bruning> funnyfarm299, friends of gays should not edit wikipedia ;-)
�08[21:46] <derp> closes for me.
[21:46] <funnyfarm299> What's with all the hoax animals tonight? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Dolphin
[21:46] <kim_bruning> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_gays_should_not_be_allowed_to_edit_articles
[21:47] <Aranda56> Ive been trying to get this one person fired in my nightclub job, i know he's a huge negative to the nightclub, and all the management and so forth don't believe me :(
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[21:47] <funnyfarm299> Any ideas? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Court+process+Australia&oldid=467278076
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[21:48] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: um, excuse me, but I have a land dolphin pet......
[21:48] <funnyfarm299> I have NO idea what they are talking about
[21:48] <funnyfarm299> Thorncrag, can I pet him?
[21:48] <kim_bruning> Aranda56, ouwie. We were just discussing disinvitation on channel earlier, and discovered WP as a whole also has that issue ^^;;
[21:49] <kim_bruning> maybe it's us as people or something
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[21:49] <Aranda56> kim_bruning Malleus I know
[21:50] <LauraHale> The Australia article is... yeah.
[21:50] <kim_bruning> <funnyfarm299> interesting, sounds like an early enwp article. :-) can it be expanded?
[21:50] <LauraHale> Wow.  Special.
[21:50] <kim_bruning> LauraHale, Unique!
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[21:50] <LauraHale> very.
[21:50] <kim_bruning> LauraHale, or not, I saw a dime a dozen 7 years ago or so
[21:50] <kim_bruning> can it be fixed?
[21:50] <Aranda56> bleh i wasn't even aware i was logged into IRC no cloak :(
�08[21:51] * derp waves at LauraHale
[21:51] <LauraHale> It should probably be a redirect I think
�06[21:51] * LauraHale waves at derp
[21:51] <funnyfarm299> I prodded it.
[21:51] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: EC
[21:51] <Aranda56> I think all the comments about this was wheel warring in the ArbCom page is huge BS I've been around way too long to know what it is
[21:52] <funnyfarm299> Thorncrag, does that mean excellent choice?
[21:52] <Sp33dyphil> Is anyone interested in weapons? Just want some comments on a particular article
[21:52] <Aranda56> that's clearly not wheel warring about Malleus
[21:52] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: EC = edit conflict
[21:52] <Thorncrag> But, your interpretation works too ;)
[21:52] <funnyfarm299> ;)
[21:52] <Sp33dyphil> damn it, do MilHist people :P
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�06[21:53] * Aranda56 remembers the userbox wheel warring I'm old :)
[21:54] <Nascar1996> Too many dang IPs.
[21:54] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: I know I shouldn't laugh, but re-check that land dolphin article
�06[21:54] * lucasoutloud is disappointed that the thing he downloaded to replace iTunes does not burn CDs.
[21:54] <funnyfarm299> wat?
[21:55] <kim_bruning> Hey, we have a VERY unreliable source
[21:55] <Gfoley4> >replacing iTunes
[21:55] <kim_bruning> an actial picture!
[21:55] <Thorncrag> Exactly!
[21:55] <kim_bruning> actual too
[21:56] <Steven_Zhang> any commons admins here?
[21:56] <lucasoutloud> Gfoley4: Why wouldn't I want to replace that bloated piece of shit?
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[21:56] <funnyfarm299> PLEASE DELETE SLOW-MO BOUNCING PENIS
[21:57] <funnyfarm299> Anyone know what this is talking about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_light_%28pyrotechnic_signal%29
[21:57] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: Link it, I want to laugh.
[21:57] <Tannerbaum> ??????????????
[21:57] <Gfoley4> you can't burn CDs on other software?
[21:57] <funnyfarm299> lucasoutloud http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Slow-motion-bouncing-penis.gif
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[21:57] <funnyfarm299> NSFW ALERTS
[21:57] <lucasoutloud> Gfoley4: Just this particular software, actually.  It's fairly barebones with addons a la Firefox.
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[21:58] <kim_bruning> Gfoley4, eh?whaddayamean?
[21:58] <kim_bruning> Gfoley4, you can b urn cds with all kinds of stuff
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[21:58] <Gfoley4> ok
[21:59] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: An account was created just to create that article.  Things like this never cease to amaze me
[21:59] <funnyfarm299> Thorncrag, are we referring to the penis file?
�08[21:59] <derp> funnyfarm299, bad images are put on a list.
[21:59] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: We should delete it.  This is the sort of thing that /v/ uses in raids on their good runs.
[21:59] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: I mean the blue light article
[22:00] <funnyfarm299> Is it viable to keep?
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[22:01] <funnyfarm299> lucasoutloud, or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sodomie.jpg
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[22:01] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: There is no way that can be educational.
[22:01] <lucasoutloud> brb editing history.
[22:01] <funnyfarm299> lucasoutloud, from the "archives" http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Three_Lesbians_with_Salami_no_watermark.jpg
[22:02] <lucasoutloud> Okay, I laughed at that one.
[22:02] <funnyfarm299> The worst part is the cat: Sexual penetrative use of salami
[22:02] <funnyfarm299> WE NEED MORE OF THAT!
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[22:03] <Tannerbaum> thank you
[22:03] <slakr> banned?
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[22:03] <Aranda56> banned is a bit too far though
[22:03] <{Soap}> he was good
[22:04] <Sp33dyphil> funnyfarm299: what the fuck?
[22:04] <lucasoutloud> What?  Why'd you ban him?  Fuck
[22:04] <zscout370> I thought someone was going to put that image up for deletion AFAIN
[22:04] <zscout370> *AGAIN
[22:04] <Steven_Zhang> zscout370: poke
�08[22:04] <derp> zscout370, you fap to it?¸
�08[22:04] <derp> :P
[22:05] <zscout370> derp, no; Commons admin and had to deal with the undeletion request
[22:05] <lucasoutloud> SpitfireWP: He wasn't posting those links to be malicious.
[22:05] <zscout370> Steven_Zhang, yes sir
[22:05] <Thorncrag> with?
[22:05] <Thorncrag> wth*?
[22:05] <Steven_Zhang> zscout370: can you del http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Signpost_Arbitration_Case_edits_Dec_26_2011.PNG and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Signpost_Arbitration_Case_views_Dec_26_2011.PNG plz
[22:06] <zscout370> Steven_Zhang, deleted
[22:06] <Steven_Zhang> tnks :)
[22:06] <Aranda56> lucasoutload CAPS plus what's the educational value of "The worst part is the cat: Sexual penetrative use of salami"
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[22:06] <lucasoutloud> Aranda56: What are you trying to say?
�08[22:07] <derp> zscout370, another deletion request
[22:07] <zscout370> lucasoutloud, I agree a lot of these porn images are there just to be there and won't see an article at all, but we recently had a problem with the deletion/uploading these images that cost one admin his tools.
[22:07] <lucasoutloud> zscout370: Ooh, tell me more.
[22:08] <Aranda56> lucasoutloud a kick was sufficient (me and many other editors) warned him of his behavior many times before
[22:08] <zscout370> derp, no, undeletion request where that image was restored for it being public domain
�08[22:08] <derp> ah ok
[22:08] <zscout370> lucasoutloud, I'll leave it at that
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[22:09] <lucasoutloud> Aranda56: I don't think he was doing anything wrong.  We was simply pointing out examples of pornography on the commons that he thought should not be there.
[22:10] <Prodego> ok guys, new /nsi funnyfarm299
[22:10] <Prodego> err ignore that
[22:10] <Thorncrag> he was pointing out images that he thought deserved attention as candidates for deletion, making his ban extremely capricious...
[22:10] <zscout370> lucasoutloud, and many of those images, they been through several deletion requests because they were either kept or deleted (then undeleted) because of a antiporn crusade
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[22:11] <lucasoutloud> zscout370: Oh, what's another little disscussion on irc going to do?
[22:12] <zscout370> lucasoutloud, I have no problems having a discussion at all. I welcome it. But just pointing out what happened to those images in the past and why such a DR would not work.
[22:12] <lucasoutloud> zscout370: Alright then.
[22:13] <lucasoutloud> I still don't see how porn can be used on wikimedia, though.
[22:13] <zscout370> and there are many users who think like you
[22:14] <zscout370> and I agree with some of your points
[22:14] <lucasoutloud> It's not the fact that it's porn that really bugs me, it's the fact that some of the more experienced raiders on /v/ take advantage of those images.
[22:14] <zscout370> that is beyond our control
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[22:14] <Thorncrag> I actually think that not censoring porn has the effect of promoting censorship because Wikipedia will then get censored
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[22:15] <lucasoutloud> I don't suppose that limiting what users are allowed to use an image would go over well, either.
[22:15] <Thorncrag> for instance, public schools are NEVER going to allow porn to be viewed on their systems
[22:15] <zscout370> we have an ad hoc deletion called "no penis" where if it is just yet another webcam image of a cock, we delete it
[22:15] <Aranda56> the Malleus case should be a reason why we should have more ArbCom members, almost every ArbCom member has a strong opinion on him, or interacted with him, and so forth
[22:16] <zscout370> Thorncrag, I see those emails a lot as a part of OTRS so I agree there. Though I wonder if the Foundation ever thought of a school friendly version of Wikipedia.
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[22:17] <lucasoutloud> "School freindly" just translates to censored.
[22:17] <Thorncrag> Lots of (educationally) sex-related pages I can't even access at work
[22:17] <Thorncrag> NOT THAT I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE.
[22:17] <Thorncrag> ;)
[22:18] <lucasoutloud> Now that I think of it, are there regulations about sex-related images on Commons?
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[22:18] <LauraHale> There was a school friendly version of English Wikipedia.
[22:18] <LauraHale> It was distributed on CD.
[22:18] <{Soap}> there was a failed project called Toby that would block out porn and other disturbing images while leaving text intact
[22:18] <LauraHale> This was 2007.
[22:18] <lucasoutloud> LauraHale: Do you mean Encarta?  :P
[22:18] <{Soap}> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TOBY
[22:19] <zscout370> lucasoutloud, other than what is legally questionable to host, we have a "no penis" rule but that is not set in stone.
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[22:20] <LauraHale> lucasoutloud: No, I mean WMF.
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[22:20] <LauraHale> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Release_Version
[22:21] <zscout370> lucasoutloud, what I am thinking is not necessarily a edited version where it is censored, but perhaps a way to check IPs for schools and see if there a setting that could be made for them. But that would be impossible to figure out.
[22:22] <lucasoutloud> LauraHale: That was an attempt at humour.
�06[22:22] * LauraHale has none :(
[22:22] <zscout370> and we have tried for years to come up with a policy on porn images, even after what was brought to the attention of Fixed (Fox) News
[22:23] <kim_bruning> we're not going to censor
[22:23] <kim_bruning> and filtering is currently not politically expedient
[22:23] <kim_bruning> (if ever)
[22:23] <zscout370> but as long as the quality is decent (that is up for debate), the licensing is good and legally able to host, we can have it
[22:23] <kim_bruning> anyway, night all!
[22:23] <harej> {Soap}: I remember Toby!
�08[22:23] <derp> ni ni my dears <3
[22:24] <zscout370> that is the Commons policy in a nutshell
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[22:24] <Aranda56> lets MFD toby :D
[22:25] <zscout370> I sadly remember Toby also
[22:25] <GabrielF> I'm looking at the Commons user (Yestadae) who uploaded a bunch of our genitalia images and now I'm kind of curious what his process for taking them was
�06[22:26] * Aranda56 remembers Toby as well the good old days :(
[22:26] <lucasoutloud> Could someone take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jump_Arounds ?  They keep taking off my G11 tag.
[22:26] <Tannerbaum> I'm sending emails to news stations about SOPA. I'd love if people could do the same to their news stations.
[22:27] <Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toby-mo0.png :o
[22:27] <GabrielF> Huh - it looks like a bunch of our vagina images came from Flickr
[22:27] <GabrielF> I wonder if people realized that they'd be on wikipedia when they posted them
[22:27] <kim_bruning> nini!
[22:28] <kim_bruning> Aranda56, you can't MFD historical stuff, that's hysterical :-P
[22:28] <kim_bruning> oh right
[22:28] <kim_bruning> night!
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[22:29] <zscout370> Aranda56, makes me wish I can do an SVG version of it
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[22:34] <zscout370> but since it is very old, I am not sure if it is worth it
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[22:48] <zscout370> Aranda56 and harej, enjoy this blast from the past http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toby.svg
[22:48] <harej> I have fond memories of the Toby debate.
[22:48] <harej> The guy who came up with Toby would later come up with WP:BEANS, an essay cited to this day!
[22:49] <harej> It's like he had one huge success.
[22:49] <Ironholds> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahsleepdeprivation
[22:50] <harej> Ironholds: This is what happens when your employer is eight timezones away from you.
[22:50] <harej> ...Even though it's well past business hours on the West Coast.
[22:50] <harej> And we have some kinda Jesus holiday coming up so people aren't so inclined to doing work anyway.
[22:51] <Ironholds> harej: feedback coding waits for no man
[22:51] <Aranda56> one hit wonder :p
[22:51] <Ironholds> but yeah. If I get renewal, which I may or may not, I am begging for a move to SF
[22:51] <Aranda56> BEANS and Toby :P
[22:51] <Ironholds> I do not do my best work when absolutely dog-tired, and that's normally when they're around ;p
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�06[22:52] * Aranda56 remembered people used Toby on their userpages all the time that was the historical milestone of him :p
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[22:53] <Aranda56> lets play comment on Malleus ArbCom case 75 people and counting it's the hot thing to do :D
�06[22:54] * Aranda56 didn't know there was 75 people even reading RFAr :p
[22:54] <Aranda56> (diff | hist) . . Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates‎; 03:43 . . (+395) . . Stop China Now (talk | contribs)‎ (→Mercosur votes to ban boats with a Falkland Islands flag: ) [rollback]
[22:55] <Aranda56> username block?
[22:55] <lucasoutloud> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zhipaiwei  This is the worst case of obvious translator usage ever.
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[22:57] <lucasoutloud> Ow!
[22:57] <PiRSquared17> ?
[22:57] <Aranda56> is Stop China Now a username block :P
[22:58] <PiRSquared17> Who was banned?
[22:58] <Thorncrag> Oops, I did it again baby; Yeah!
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[23:00] <Aranda56> and btw is twinkle down?
[23:00] <slakr> Aranda56: possibly
[23:00] <slakr> (about the username)
[23:00] <lucasoutloud> Aranda56: No, but if you're having issues, try disabling pop-up blockers.
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[23:01] <Aranda56> it pops up, just not the warnings
�06[23:02] * Aranda56 is trying to warn Stop China Now it's probably a username violation especially for Chinese or w.e
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[23:02] <lucasoutloud> How does one stop a country?
[23:02] <Aranda56> lucasoutloud by stoping them :P
[23:03] <Aranda56> it's a obvious political message
[23:03] <lucasoutloud> But....
[23:03] <lucasoutloud> Oh, well, it is.
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[23:04] <funnyfarm299> Finally made it through his backlog. Also just realized I forgot about the slice of cake I cut two hours ago.
[23:05] <lucasoutloud> What kind of cake? ?_?
[23:05] <funnyfarm299> Just your standard chocolate.
[23:07] <lucasoutloud> Still very delicious.
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[23:16] <Tannerbaum> I just wrote this template to send to media. feedback? http://pastebin.com/39avNmDX
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[23:17] <sonia> I've gotten two texts and an email from concerned pedians so far, so just to be clear: the earthquakes are in Christchurch. I am in Auckland. Thanks for concern though.
[23:17] <lucasoutloud> Tannerbaum: I don't like it because it seems like you want to keep GoDaddy alive when they are supporting SOPA.
[23:17] <Tannerbaum> lucasoutloud: it's supposed to be minimally-biased
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[23:17] <lucasoutloud> Tannerbaum: That, and companies don't "lose" money because of piracy, they just don't make it.
[23:19] <Tannerbaum> lucasoutloud: otherwise is it okay?
[23:19] <lucasoutloud> I suppose.
[23:19] <Tannerbaum> IShadowed: can you look over that perhaps?
[23:19] <lucasoutloud> Just get rid of the part with GoDaddy and put something else in it's place, like potentially losing access to youtube or something.
[23:20] <IShadowed> look over what, Tannerbaum
[23:20] <Tannerbaum> the link I just sent
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[23:20] <Tannerbaum> IShadowed: http://pastebin.com/39avNmDX
[23:21] <funnyfarm299> Regarding SOPA http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nmnie/godaddy_supports_sopa_im_transferring_51_domains/
[23:22] <Tannerbaum> funnyfarm299: that's what prompted me to write it
[23:22] <funnyfarm299> Did I miss that part of the convo?
[23:22] <lucasoutloud> >reddit
[23:22] <lucasoutloud> bahahaha
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[23:24] <funnyfarm299> I'll admit it's a bit of a karmafest there, but I still enjoy it compared to Digg (those evil people)
[23:24] <Tannerbaum> http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/nmz43/reddit_we_need_your_help_raising_awareness_about/c3ah2on
[23:25] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: zzz @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_process_Australia
[23:26] <lucasoutloud> funnyfarm299: Both are websites that are based on commenting about links.  Sounds pretty lame.
[23:26] <Thorncrag> I wish I could instantly make people understand how they should write encyclopedic articles
[23:26] <funnyfarm299> Yep.
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[23:28] <Thorncrag> it's kind of hard to send new editors to AfC one they've already created the article in main ns
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[23:32] <funnyfarm299> Thorncrag, I came up with a simple and new prod for that
[23:32] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: I know, but technically you can't re-prod, we have to send to AfD
[23:32] <funnyfarm299> It's effectivly a new article though.
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[23:33] <Thorncrag> funnyfarm299: nah, you can only replace a prod when it was removed in bad faith
[23:33] <Thorncrag> in this case, the author needs a lot of help, but I don't think they're being malicious
[23:33] <funnyfarm299> FINE.
[23:34] <Thorncrag> i'm trying to think of the best way to help
[23:34] <funnyfarm299> AfD it?
[23:34] <Thorncrag> yeah
[23:34] <Thorncrag> I think I will suggest they recreate using AfC
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[23:34] <funnyfarm299> can I simply give WP:NOTBLOG as the reason?
[23:35] <funnyfarm299> Or is there a better guideline?
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[23:35] <funnyfarm299> how about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLeaks_is_not_part_of_Wikipedia
[23:35] <Sir48> write your observations in plain words, not in shortened liinks to guidelines
[23:37] <funnyfarm299> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Court_process_Australia#Court_process_Australia
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[23:39] <Steven_Zhang> ohai
�06[23:39] * sonia hugs Steven_Zhang
[23:40] <Steven_Zhang> :>
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[23:41] <funnyfarm299> Didn't someone already delete this tonight? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BotCrawl&oldid=467293412
[23:42] <Sven_Manguard> God I need my NYT app back. Glad to hear you're okay Sonia
[23:42] <sonia> hai Sven_Manguard
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�08[23:44] <derpZzZzZzZzZzZz> oh look
�08[23:44] <derpZzZzZzZzZzZz> a koala hugging a kiwi :P
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[23:44] <Addihockey10> sonia: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6648229/siri-argument
[23:44] <Thorncrag> derpZzZzZzZzZzZz: YOU did that
[23:45] <Thorncrag> o.o
[23:45] <Addihockey10> slakr: Guess wut
[23:45] <slakr> ?
[23:45] <Addihockey10> THEY SAT THERE
[23:45] <Addihockey10> FOR A DAY.
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[23:46] <sonia> admin
[23:46] <sonia> ?
[23:46] <slakr> oh heaven forbid
[23:46] <slakr> a day
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[23:46] <slakr> what's the world coming to when they sit there for a day? :P
[23:46] <SudoGhost> Nah, no admin, just a SudoGhost.  Sorry to dissapoint. :0
[23:46] <sonia> heh nvm, revdeled
[23:46] <sonia> CET making good use of his bit
[23:46] <funnyfarm299> Check THIS page out.
[23:47] <SudoGhost> sonia, I was just about to mention that to someone.
Session Close: Thu Dec 22 23:47:08 2011