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Session Start: Sat Dec 10 00:00:01 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[00:00] <Dcoetzee> slakr: Btw responded to your response at my proposal, if/when you can take a look. :-)
[00:00] <slakr> oh
�06[00:00] * slakr shrugs
[00:00] <slakr> I'm not too gung-ho either way tbh
[00:00] <Dcoetzee> I know :-) No need to respond.
[00:00] <Dcoetzee> Unless you feel like it.
�06[00:00] * slakr doesn't :P
[00:00] <tashir> Dcoetzee: here are some free full text WP:SECONDARY reviews: and
[00:00] <slakr> I spent too much time typing the thing in the first place
[00:00] <slakr> :P
[00:01] <slakr> it's not like the wiki's gonna come to an end either way
[00:01] <Dcoetzee> slakr: I just wanna make sure people who share your concerns feel like I'm taking them seriously.
[00:01] <slakr> =)
[00:01] <Dcoetzee> tashir: Cool stuff thank you :-)
[00:01] <tashir> ^^
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[00:06] <tashir> I wish there were fewer problems which involved excruciating pain
[00:06] <Dcoetzee> Random interesting WP news, I managed to successfully counter a 2-year old DMCA on
[00:06] <{Dirt}> {Soap}: HAZAAH
[00:06] <Dcoetzee> Hopefully won't get sued later :-P
[00:06] <Dcoetzee> *DMCA takedown
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[00:07] <Dcoetzee> tashir: Thankfully since the initial incident the recurrences have been much more minor and treatable with OTC pain meds so I don't make a big fuss about it. :-) More just annoying.
[00:07] <tashir> thank goodness. "Colic" is not usually applied to adults!
[00:08] <Dcoetzee> :-)
�06[00:08] * {Soap} cleans up {Dirt}
[00:09] <{Dirt}> {Soap}: (you have to /nick {MrClean}
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�08[00:09] * derp huggles Dcoetzee tightly.
�08[00:10] <derp> ni ni <3
�06[00:10] * Dcoetzee hugs derp :-)
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[00:10] <Dcoetzee> Sweet dreams :-)
Session Close: Sat Dec 10 00:10:11 2011

Session Start: Sat Dec 10 12:10:09 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[12:10] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[12:10] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December:�'
�03[12:10] * Set by Gfoley4!~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4 on Thu Dec 08 20:42:06
[12:10] #wikipedia-en url is
[12:10] <Peter-C> O-o
[12:10] <Peter-C> No the TV show
[12:10] <BarkingFish> What state?
�08[12:11] <derp> Peter-C, so i herd it's your birthday soon....
[12:11] <Peter-C> yeppers
�08[12:11] <derp> dec 17?
�08[12:11] <derp> getting younger?
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[12:12] <Peter-C>  mhm
[12:13] <BarkingFish> Fox are showing Fringe next on 23/12 -  last aired 11/18 @ 8pm C
[12:13] <BarkingFish> *12/23
[12:13] <foks> What is that?
[12:13] <foks> Also yay pingz
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[12:14] <BarkingFish> You can watch some back episodes of it if you want, Peter-C -
[12:15] <Peter-C> I want new ones damn it >:(
�06[12:15] * Peter-C tosses BarkingFish out a window in rage
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�08[12:16] * derp hugs foks btw.
�08[12:16] <derp> Peter-C, Hulu :)
�08[12:16] <derp> i can't get HUlu here
[12:16] <foks> <3
�08[12:16] <derp> :(
[12:17] <foks> I can get hula.
[12:17] <foks> :3
�08[12:18] <derp> :3
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[12:59] <Peter-C> Guys
[13:00] <Peter-C> I need to get a free MySQL host...
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[13:02] <jubo2> Peter-C: get a box. install linux. apt-get install mysql mysqld
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[13:02] <Peter-C> jubo2 -  I need it for my bosses website :P
[13:02] <Peter-C> He uses a shitty web hosting provider
[13:03] <jubo2> Peter-C: you want a free mysql host for your boss.. what are you thinking, companies money is so you can spend it buying stuff for the company..
[13:03] <jubo2> Peter-C: I don't know of free mysql provider but I know 12€/mnth deals that give you any amount of databases
[13:03] <Qcoder00> Hi people
[13:03] <Qcoder00> :)
[13:03] <Peter-C> - problem solved
[13:04] <jubo2> Hi Sfan00
[13:04] <Peter-C> I would use my sites MySQL but I don't know the path...
[13:05] <jubo2> they're often set to listen and serve only localhost you know Peter-C
[13:05] <Peter-C> jubo2 - the site he has now uses a foreign mysql
[13:06] <jubo2> I mean if you forgot to set up a firewall like iptables or so
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[13:07] <jubo2> Fishchli fishchli, juicy sweet ...  precious!
[13:08] <Qcoder00> jubo2: LOL
[13:08] <Qcoder00> FIsh chilli can make your really sick as well
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[13:14] <kim__> hola
[13:15] <jubo2> oi kim__
[13:15] <Thorncrag> ni hao
[13:15] <kim__> oi!
[13:15] <jubo2> wo hen hao. ni ?
[13:16] <Thorncrag> :P
[13:16] <kim__> g'day
[13:16] <jubo2> P-;
[13:16] <kim__> (Hey, it's the right longitude!)
[13:16] <HallowsAG> wo hen hao, jubo2, she she
[13:16] <jubo2> hao.
[13:17] <kim__> not shi?
[13:17] <jubo2> xie xie it's written in pinyin I thinks
[13:17] <jubo2> [[pinyin]] is great..
[13:17] <HallowsAG> How was I supposed to know?
�06[13:17] * kim__ shouldn't talk, I'm not super-familiar with chinese romanizations
[13:17] <kim__> HallowsAG, RTFW? ;-)
[13:18] <jubo2> HallowsAG: you get special hot chili & sour beef and sticky rice ..
[13:19] <jubo2> no-one should leave a chinese meal table without a full stomach .. that's the thumb rule
[13:19] <jubo2> hot chili & sour beef is gweat !
[13:19] <HallowsAG> how bout lemon chicken?
[13:20] <jubo2> HallowsAG: ever try boiling chicken pieces in cream
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[13:20] <HallowsAG> no, but it sounds tempting
[13:20] <jubo2> HallowsAG: see also: boiling fresh broccoli in cream
[13:21] <Thorncrag>
[13:21] <jubo2> it goes interstellar on your tastebuds
[13:22] <Pesky> Fry mushrooms in garlic and butter, add swirl of cream at last minute
[13:22] <jubo2> HallowsAG: my grand-ma ( may she rest in peace ) used to do chicken pieces and legumes and onions and rice and let it simmer in 150C for hours
[13:22] <jubo2> *drools*
[13:23] <kim__> oooh, yummy!
[13:23] <HallowsAG> 150C?
[13:23] <Pesky> Nah, lamb, courgettes red, green and yellow peppers, mushrooms, pearl barley, garlic and rosemary ….
[13:23] <Pesky> and laods of juicy stuff (tomato and cream particularly good here)
[13:23] <jubo2> but srsly. we put salmon and cream and rice and broccoli and the fishfat went into the broccoli together with the extra-fat cream ..
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[13:23] <Pesky> Casserole for 3 hours at about 130
[13:24] <jubo2> and on a completely different note at least 1,000,000,000 people go to sleep hungry ..
[13:24] <Pesky> or eat sleepy
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[13:25] <jubo2> or eat sleepy
[13:25] <Pesky> jubo2:  that salmon one is very similar to one my grandmother's housekeeper used to do!
[13:25] <Pesky> Except it was pearl barley, not rice
[13:25] <Pesky> And fresh tarragon
[13:25] <Pesky> Just enough, not too much
[13:25] <jubo2> Pesky: boiling in cream broccoli. Try it, I rest my case.
[13:26] <Pesky> Have done, lovely
[13:26] <jubo2> mmm
[13:26] <jubo2> :D
[13:26] <Pesky> smidge of freshly chopped basil makes it even better
[13:26] <Demiurge1000> and whole red chillis.
[13:26] <Pesky> Leeks boilked in cream are also awesome
[13:27] <Pesky> Not whole red chillies!  Don;t think my innards would appreciate that
[13:27] <Demiurge1000> chillis in chilli sauce, with some turmeric added for extra flavour :D
[13:27] <jubo2> leek.. that's some relative of onion or what ?
[13:27] <Pesky> And half a pint of Tabasco sauce
[13:27] <Pesky> yes?
[13:27] <Pesky> brb
[13:27] <jubo2> that reminds me...
[13:28] <jubo2> The Submarine drink. You put a tabasco and a shotglass of vodka inside a pint of beer and drink
[13:28] <jubo2> It's really nice if you like a bit of spicy in your drink
[13:28] <jubo2> which reminds me
[13:29] <jubo2> THERE IS GIN IN YOUR VODKA MARTINI!!!!!!!!
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[13:29] <jubo2> SHAKEN NOT STIRRED the agents reported
[13:30] <jubo2> you are the laughingstock of all of Greater London's bartenders, deal with it you
[13:30] <jubo2> anyways.. the tabasco and vodka comes out more and more as you consume the liquid
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[13:35] <Pesky> Heh, you should try a Zombie Special
[13:35] <Pesky> It leaves you with a lasts-for-hours permagrin
[13:36] <WilliamH_UK> ah Vice City
[13:36] <WilliamH_UK> what an amazing game
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[13:36] <Pesky> Two measures navy rum, one mewasure white rum, one cherry brandy, and pineapple juice
[13:36] <Pesky> And a chopped fresh cherry
[13:36] <Pesky> dissolve, maybe, rather than implode
[13:37] <Pesky> Alternatively 20mg morphine courtesy of the NHS
[13:37] <jubo2> so does that come in a pineapple or wut ?
[13:37] <Pesky> No a glass
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[13:39] <jubo2> Pesky: if severe pain I'd most warmly recommend [[Fentanyl]]
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[13:39] <Pesky> Nothng really seems to work, though :o(
[13:39] <Pesky> Should hopefully be having some surgery within the next 6 weeks, with any luck
[13:40] <jubo2> My grand-ma had 3 pcs 72hr patches as she otherwise had strong pains from gying leg
[13:40] <jubo2> *dying
[13:40] <Pesky> Avertaging about five ops a year for the past few years
[13:40] <Pesky> ouch
[13:40] <Pesky> My daughter has Fentanyl patches for when necessary
[13:41] <jubo2> The nurses explained to me that you can see from facial muscles if someone is or is not in pain
[13:41] <jubo2> you cringe your muscles if you have pains..
[13:42] <Pesky> Yep
[13:42] <Pesky> Smae goes for animals
[13:42] <Pesky> You get that tenseness around the eyes, etc.
[13:42] <Pesky> hehe, yes!
[13:42] <jubo2> she didn't speak much in the last times
[13:42] <jubo2> some whispers sometimes
[13:42] <Pesky> My mother has got to the almost-all word-salad stage now
[13:43] <Pesky> Rapidly-progressing dementia
[13:43] <jubo2> gone autistic ?
[13:43] <Pesky> And keeps hallucinating that there are intruders in the house
[13:43] <Pesky> Into kind of reverse-response mode
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[13:43] <Pesky> If you ask her to bend a leg, she will more often than not straighten it instead
[13:44] <Pesky> She's in the verbally-aggressive, occasioanlly physically-aggressive stage
[13:45] <Pesky> Intermittenly with very quiet depression
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[13:47] <Pesky> Grzechooo sounds like an awesome sneeze
[13:47] <kim__> indeed
[13:47] <Pesky> Hey kim__
[13:48] <kim__> heya pesky
[13:48] <jubo2> Pesky: beware, he was from Poland, the land of epic coders.
[13:48] <Pesky> Sounds good
[13:48] <kim__> jubo2, I'm not the only person who thinks poland is the land of epic coders?
[13:49] <Pesky> How does one code an epic, anyway?
[13:49] <jubo2> kim__: indeed you are not.. are there other landz of epic coderz ?
[13:49] <kim__> jubo2, netherlands, of course!
[13:49] <jubo2> bull
[13:49] <kim__> Pesky, one codes epically
[13:49] <Pesky> That explains a lot
[13:49] <Pesky> I write epic, rather than coding them
[13:50] <kim__> jubo2, finland, of course
[13:50] <Pesky> +s
[13:50] <jubo2> epic and epic-epic may reverse meanings
[13:50] <kim__> Pesky, do you epically write epic epics?
[13:50] <kim__> Wait, I should know half of that
�06[13:50] * kim__ looks at my long todo list and looks guilty
[13:50] <kim__> I need to learn the "N" word
[13:50] <kim__> (2 letters, hardest word to say)
[13:50] <Pesky> For n=1000000 add line; n=n+1
[13:51] <kim__> which language is that? ;-)
[13:51] <Pesky> old, very old
[13:51] <kim__> I'm not entirely sure how that would work
[13:51] <Pesky> How to get your computer to write an epic
[13:51] <kim__> unless you use wraparound?
[13:52] <Pesky> No, you just have a very big screen?
[13:52] <kim__> this is a fun, programmatic poetry
[13:52] <kim__>
[13:52] <kim__> (very very old
[13:53] <Pesky> hehe!  I cut my programming teeth on COBOL!
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[13:55] <kim__> you're an actual cobold?
[13:55] <kim__> heh, just like my dad :-)
[13:55] <kim__> I guess I have to be thankful to admiral hopper :-)
[13:58] <FooBarMartijn> Pesky, you know what Dijkstra said on COBOL, right?
[13:58] <jubo2> vodka.. hmm.. orange juice.. hmm.. someone DCC me some red bitter..
[13:59] <quanticle> Ironholds: You there?
[13:59] <Pesky> FooBarMartijn:  no?
[13:59] <kim__> Pesky, you don't?
[13:59] <FooBarMartijn> "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense."
[13:59] <kim__> FooBarMartijn, yes, but you're dutch
[13:59] <kim__> of course you'd know
[14:00] <Pesky> hehehe
[14:00] <kim__> oddly, people working not far from TU Eindhoven STILL couldn't write structured code at times
[14:00] <kim__> (let alone OO)
[14:00] <kim__> go figure
[14:00] <kim__> :-P
[14:00] <Pesky> I want a computer with brain->computer interface
�06[14:00] * kim__ shall not name names to protect the guilty
[14:01] <kim__> Pesky, you've got one, it's just somewhat complex , and uses things like wrists and fingers as intermediate stages
[14:01] <Pesky> I s'pose it's not cool for grannies to have done cobol
[14:01] <Ironholds> quanticle: indeed
[14:01] <kim__> Pesky, Eh?
[14:01] <Pesky> very ungrannylike
[14:01] <kim__> Pesky, cobol++
[14:01] <Pesky> Grannies are supposed to do knitting
[14:01] <Pesky> heh!
[14:01] <FooBarMartijn> who was it who said that the use of ALGOL was inversely proportional to the distance to Amsterdam?
[14:01] <kim__> Pesky, Grace Hopper was a granny once?
[14:01] <FooBarMartijn> was that Van Rossum?
[14:01] <Pesky> Could be true
[14:02] <kim__> FooBarMartijn, Python too?
[14:02] <kim__> Pesky, in which case, you are continuing a long tradition :-)
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[14:02] <Pesky> I want to invent a language called boa constrictor
[14:02] <Pesky> Just for the fun of it
[14:02] <quanticle> Ironholds: How cold is it in London, right now?
[14:03] <kim__> Pesky, <grin> Go for it!
[14:03] <kim__> Pesky, what kinds of properties would it have?
[14:03] <Pesky> Semi-detatched?
[14:03] <quanticle> kim__: Not Python. Usage of python is inversely proportional to the distance from Google headquarters.
[14:03] <Pesky> ew ignore the spurious "t"!
[14:04] <Pesky> It would be a user-friendly, cuddly, huggy language
[14:04] <FooBarMartijn> ineversely proportional to an Rossums present location then maybe?
[14:04] <Pesky> with sharp teeth
[14:04] <kim__> Pesky, hypnotic? :-P
[14:04] <kim__> Pesky, how do you give a language sharp teeth?
[14:04] <Pesky> no, boas aren;t hypnotic.  Just quite incredibly fast
[14:04] <kim__> incidentally, that's why I feel python is so huggable! ;-)
[14:05] <FooBarMartijn> there is only one option for you then kim__
[14:05] <kim__> FooBarMartijn, Ut oh?
[14:05] <FooBarMartijn> port Huggle to Python
[14:06] <kim__> That makes an odd sort of sense
[14:07] <Pesky> By adjusting its byte?
[14:07] <Pesky> My boa s now about eight foot long
[14:07] <Pesky> She's grown fast over the past couple of months
[14:07] <Pesky> Pythuggle
[14:07] <Pesky> Hugathon?
[14:07] <kim__> Pesky, I hope it only nibbles :-P
�06[14:07] * tommorris would suggest that it would be very useful to have a command-line Huggle.
[14:07] <Pesky> It bytes if I peek at it and then poke it
[14:07] <tommorris> Huggling over SSH.
�06[14:08] * kim__ still wants to make an SVGterm
[14:08] <kim__> somehow no one makes one that is actually globally usable
[14:08] <kim__> or even usable with gnu tools
[14:08] <quanticle> tommorris: It would be nice to have a Huggle that wasn't written in VB.
[14:08] <kim__> du should throw up a pie chart, darnit
[14:08] <Pesky> I'm a Gnu …. a Gnother Gnu ….
[14:08] <Pesky> Falnders and Swann
[14:08] <Pesky> Flanders, sorry
[14:08] <kim__> they're porting to c# <shudder>
[14:08] <Pesky> Why?
[14:09] <FooBarMartijn> what's so bad about c#
[14:09] <quanticle> C# is decent, and if they do it right, you can run it on Linux with Mono.
[14:09] <jubo2> duh. Mi¢ro$oft
[14:09] <quanticle> VB is an abomination.
[14:09] <kim__> do they do it right?
[14:09] <FooBarMartijn> I'm trying to get it to run on linux, so far no cigar
[14:09] <kim__> FooBarMartijn, ok, then there you go
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[14:09] <Pesky> VB is kinda worse than basic, actually
[14:09] <quanticle> kim__: Well, they weren't, when I last talked to Gurch. But, that was before they were porting to C#.
[14:09] <FooBarMartijn> only spent about an hour or so, so that's not all that much
[14:09] <Pesky> at least with  basic things were … well … basic
[14:09] <kim__> BBC BASIC is decent, it's like pascal
[14:10] <kim__> I also like having GOTO
[14:10] <tommorris> "Mi¢ro$oft". Sigh.
[14:10] <kim__> it is useful for teaching structure
[14:10] <Pesky> Yeh, all the oldies were actually pretty good
[14:10] <jubo2> Pesky: VB is synonym for coder agony
[14:10] <Pesky> GOSUB
[14:10] <FooBarMartijn> when it comes to "they" it's basically just petan who's doing the developement these days
[14:10] <Pesky> Aww, I miss GOSUB
[14:10] <tommorris> jubo2: remember that long rant about how saying things like "Mi¢ro$oft" and "Mapple" won't convince anyone. Yeah, imagine I just repeated it to you again and then trouted you repeatedly.
[14:10] <kim__> Pesky, well, bbc basic actually has FN and PROC, and recursion and everything
�06[14:10] * Pesky is recursive
[14:10] <quanticle> tommorris: Mapple?
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[14:10] <kim__> Pesky, AWESOME
[14:11] <Pesky> hehe
[14:11] <kim__> Pesky, do you speak with a Lithp? ;-)
[14:11] <LABcrab> Hey!  i'm trying to get help in #wikipedia-en-help but nobody's answering me!  :(
[14:11] <Pesky> No, but wear Rubies and Perls
[14:11] <tommorris> quanticle: The Simpsons used it to reference Apple indirectly. only now idiots seem to think it is some kind of shocking insult to people who use Apple computers.
[14:11] <quanticle> FooBarMartijn: How exactly does Huggle work? I mean, what does it listen to to get the recent changes?
[14:11] <FooBarMartijn> jubo2, vb.NET isn't all that horrible actually, it's just that it's the tool of choice of horrible coders that are stuck in the 90's
[14:11] <Pesky> And I drink Java
[14:11] <kim__> actually, boa should be strongly functional, and the letter s and the digraph th should be interchangeable ;-)
[14:11] <Gfoley4> quanticle: it uses IRC
[14:11] <quanticle> tommorris: I have literally never heard "Mapple" in real life.
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[14:12] <quanticle> Gfoley4: So it listens to the recent changes IRC feed?
[14:12] <kim__> quanticle, define "real" and "life"? ;-)
[14:12] <Gfoley4> quanticle: yeah
[14:12] <quanticle> kim__: Verbally.
[14:12] <Gfoley4>
[14:12] <quanticle> I have never *heard* Mapple.
[14:12] <jubo2> FooBarMartijn: kim__ Pesky is [[Turing complete]] 'nuff with the nerdery
[14:12] <tommorris> jubo2: also, VB.NET is very different from classic VB. VB.NET is basically just a different C# syntax essentially.
[14:12] <Pesky> boa should be able to tie itself in a know to shed its own skin when it needs to be debugged
[14:12] <quanticle> tommorris: Yeah. Different and worse.
[14:12] <Pesky> knot, not know
�06[14:12] * quanticle brb/
[14:12] <kim__> Pesky, will a loop do, in lieu of a knot?
[14:12] <tommorris> quanticle: yes, much, much worse.
[14:12] <jubo2> that didn't come out right .. anyways, that thing is turing complete
�03[14:13] * quanticle is now known as quanticle|away
[14:13] <Pesky> have to be a closed loop maybe?
[14:13] <tommorris> C# is a pretty nice language. It's basically Java but not horrible.
�08[14:14] * derp likes Objective C
[14:15] <Pesky> yeh, I looked at that, with the intention of doing something with it; never got around to it, of course
[14:15] <jubo2> quanticle|away: it's from a Simpsons episode.. mypad and myphone etc. were widely used to poke fun at apples
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[14:16] <Pesky> I found it *almost* intuitive.  But not quite.
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[14:19] <jubo2> Supersonic win if > 1 mach
[14:19] <Supersonic> jubo2: Gimme gin and tonic
[14:19] <Supersonic> jubo2: You can have it all but how much do you want it?
[14:19] <LABcrab> Can someone help me, please?  i'm in #wikipedia-en-help.
[14:20] <jubo2> I have only vodka & generic orange juice
[14:20] <jubo2> someone send me some red bitter
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[14:29] <Peter-C> Wow
[14:29] <Peter-C> My mon said the creepiest thing to me...
[14:30] <LABcrab> Where are all the smart Wikipedians?
�08[14:30] <derp> why don't you have a life?
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[14:30] <LABcrab> derp: !?
[14:30] <Peter-C> LABcrab - Wow, that's a polite thing to say :P
[14:31] <LABcrab> The reason i said "Where are all the smart Wikipedians?" is because nobody's helping me with my article, thus i'm wondering where people went.  i'm in #wikipedia-en-help
[14:32] <Peter-C> Still a rude thing to say >_>
[14:32] <LABcrab> That's not what i meant.  -_-
[14:33] <kim__> LABcrab, All the smart wikipedians left ages ago! ;-)
[14:33] <FooBarMartijn> we're the idiots that stuck around
[14:34] <LABcrab> :'(
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[14:34] <LABcrab> i guess i'll return on another day.
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[14:38] <FooBarMartijn> did we just bite a newbies head of by means of self-deprecating sarcasm?
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[14:38] <kim__> FooBarMartijn, :-/
[14:39] <SteveMobile> Lol someone is having a cry over their images
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[14:42] <Mike_H> Peter-C: good job being rude back btw
[14:42] <Peter-C> :P
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[14:45] <Gfoley4> Army–Navy game today
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[14:53] <SteveMobile> GorillaWarfare: You have your lip pierced dont you?
[14:54] <Peter-C> Hey, is there a good FREE wiki android app?
[14:56] <GorillaWarfare> SteveMobile: I do, yep
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[14:56] <SteveMobile> I could just see it on that donation image
[14:56] <SteveMobile> If you zoom in lots
[14:56] <SteveMobile> :p
[14:57] <GorillaWarfare> SteveMobile: Haha, not going to ask why you were
[14:57] <GorillaWarfare> But yeah, it's a bit grainy, so a lot of people don't necessarily notice
[14:57] <SteveMobile> Lol I noticed something weird
[14:57] <GorillaWarfare> And it's kind of an unusual piercing that isn't quite as noticeable
[14:57] <SteveMobile> In the image
[14:57] <SteveMobile> Zoomed in to see what it was
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[14:58] <Supersonic> SteveMobile: Fuck your eyes suck
[14:58] <Logan_> Peter-C: Wapedia.
[14:58] <Supersonic> I could see it zoomed out
[14:58] <SteveMobile> Lol
[14:59] <Supersonic> SteveMobile: Three times negative from resetted zoom.
[14:59] <Peter-C> Why is everyone looking at GorillaWarfare xd
[14:59] <Supersonic> then I can't see it.
[15:00] <SteveMobile> Lol she is the face of wikipedia
[15:00] <GorillaWarfare> Haha, so now I'm both the voice of Wikipedia and the face of Wikipedia!
[15:00] <Supersonic> SteveMobile brought it up.
[15:00] <SteveMobile> No one wants to donate to Jimbo or some long haired guy
[15:00] <Peter-C> Voice of?
[15:00] <SteveMobile> But a ahem...
[15:00] <Supersonic> I like that thing on ED "Will program for food" lol
[15:01] <SteveMobile> No comment :)
[15:01] <KimiNewt> wait GorillaWarfare is on the donation page?
[15:01] <Logan_> I personally like the guy with the huge mustache.
[15:01] <SteveMobile> But everyone donates to GorillaWarfare
[15:01] <GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: I got an award at the Summit this summer that was called "Voice of Wikipedia"
[15:01] <KimiNewt> which one?
[15:01] <GorillaWarfare> KimiNewt: Yep, I'm the mustached dude :D
[15:01] <SteveMobile> Loo he has a serious face and his arms crosses
[15:01] <Peter-C> ^
[15:01] <SteveMobile> No she's the chick.
[15:01] <KimiNewt> I thought you were the piercing girl :[
[15:01] <Peter-C> No girls on Wikipedia
[15:02] <Peter-C> sorry
[15:02] <KimiNewt> right
[15:02] <GorillaWarfare> KimiNewt: Yeah, I'm the pierced girl
[15:02] <KimiNewt> wut
[15:02] <GorillaWarfare> I was joking
[15:02] <GorillaWarfare> :P
[15:02] <SteveMobile> The hawt pierced girl? XX
[15:02] <KimiNewt> but you have EIGHTEEN THOUSAND EDITS. How can you talk with us common folk
[15:02] <KimiNewt> Insanity.
[15:02] <SteveMobile> ^ XD
[15:02] <KimiNewt> I thought the ad was
[15:02] <KimiNewt> hilarious
[15:03] <SteveMobile> 18000? Is that all? :p
[15:03] <GorillaWarfare> Lolol, I don't consider 18,000 to be that high
[15:03] <Peter-C> ^
[15:03] <KimiNewt> Neither do I
[15:03] <Peter-C> 18,000 is normal
[15:03] <KimiNewt> Hence: sarcasm
[15:03] <SteveMobile> Lol
[15:03] <Logan_> I have 50,000 <.<
[15:03] <GorillaWarfare> Oh XD Man, that's not translating well today
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[15:03] <Peter-C> I have 5,000, GTFO
[15:03] <KimiNewt> you didn't get that with the caps and the common folk thing
[15:03] <KimiNewt> Jesus, is this your first day on the internet?
[15:03] <SteveMobile> To someone who never edited WP 18,000 is a lot
�06[15:03] * GorillaWarfare nods
[15:03] <KimiNewt> Because if so, I gotta say that 18,000 edits in one day IS a lot
[15:04] <GorillaWarfare> Plus they can't do the whole "author of X articles" thing with me
[15:04] <Logan_> Well, there are 86,400 seconds in one day.
[15:04] <Logan_> So that would mean an edit every 4.8 seconds.
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[15:04] <Peter-C> Question for all: What articles do you edit?
[15:05] <Gfoley4> Trainz
[15:05] <Peter-C> Medicinz
[15:06] <KimiNewt> Spacez
[15:06] <KimiNewt> Biologiez
�08[15:06] <derp> IP's adressez
[15:07] <KimiNewt> Anyway, your ad made me want to clicko on the ad more than any of the others
[15:07] <KimiNewt> but I still didn't because I'm a broke soldier and also it is my policy not to donate to anything ever
[15:07] <Supersonic> Beria: Who uploaded this?
�03[15:07] * Retrieving #wikipedia-en modes...
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[15:13] <Ryulong> what the hell happened
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[15:15] <kim__> Ryulong, hell if I know ;-)
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�03[15:20] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[15:20] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December:�'
�03[15:20] * Set by Gfoley4!~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4 on Thu Dec 08 20:42:06
[15:20] #wikipedia-en url is
�12[15:20] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
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�08[15:22] <derp> Heh, another zero-day exploit discovered
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[15:22] <Beria> Supersonic,
�03[15:22] * Seahorse_ is now known as Seahorse
[15:22] <Supersonic> Beria: Thanks
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[15:25] <KimiNewt> 22:22] <derp> Heh, another zero-day exploit discovered
[15:25] <KimiNewt> for what?
�08[15:25] <derp> KimiNewt, Adobe Reader, All OSes
[15:25] <KimiNewt> Where?
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�08[15:26] <derp>
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[15:27] <KimiNewt> they've posted about bigger things than adobe reader recently
[15:27] <KimiNewt> though adobe reader is pretty big I'd assume
�08[15:28] <derp> yeah
�08[15:28] <derp> I have a couple emails with this particular PDF
[15:28] <KimiNewt> I don't get files from anyone
[15:29] <KimiNewt> The benefits of having no contacts, I suppose
�08[15:29] <derp> Plus, the Duqu fix is next tuesday
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[15:31] <KimiNewt> you don't say
[15:31] <KimiNewt> for word specifically?
�08[15:31] <derp> KimiNewt, Duqu used a kernel exploit
�03[15:31] * DQ|sleepz is now known as DQ|half|awake
[15:32] <KimiNewt> oh, you're not talking about the Word exploit then
�08[15:32] <derp> nevermind :P
[15:32] <KimiNewt> I'd imagine the kernel one is less cruicial
[15:33] <KimiNewt> as odd as it sounds
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�08[15:33] * derp hugs KimiNewt
[15:33] <KimiNewt> what
�08[15:33] <derp> hi <3
[15:33] <KimiNewt> Are you patronizing me?
�08[15:33] <derp> no, i'm hugging you :P
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[15:34] <KimiNewt> Seems to me like you're patronizing me
�03[15:35] * Supersonic is now known as ChampangeSuperno
�08[15:35] <derp> anyways, i got stuff to do <3
[15:35] <KimiNewt> No
[15:35] <KimiNewt> You're not getting off that easy
[15:35] <KimiNewt> It seems like you're patronizing me
�08[15:35] <derp> well, then i'm sorry
[15:36] <KimiNewt> so what's with the hug and bullshit
[15:36] <KimiNewt> why are you disregarding my comments
�08[15:36] <derp> I'm a hug addict
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[15:36] <KimiNewt> do you think I'm unworthy of your actual opinion
[15:36] <KimiNewt> unworthy of having to think up an intelligent sentence
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�08[15:37] <derp> Okay
�08[15:37] <derp> you want to talk aobut the kernel exploit?
�08[15:37] <derp> okay
�08[15:37] <derp> fine
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[15:37] <KimiNewt> I didn't say I want to talk about it
�03[15:37] * Logan__ (~Logan@wikimedia/Logan) has joined #wikipedia-en
[15:37] <KimiNewt> I simply meant that you should explain why you find my remark laughable
�08[15:38] <derp> oh, i didn't
�08[15:38] <derp> hey Logan_ <3
[15:38] <KimiNewt> So?
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�08[15:38] <derp> well, i just like to type smileys
�08[15:38] <derp> that's all
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[15:39] <KimiNewt> So you think it's a fair statement?
�08[15:40] <derp> look, i have stuff to do, i gotta prepare supper, my sister is coming over...
[15:40] <KimiNewt> fine
[15:40] <KimiNewt> I'm not going to intrude on your life
�03[15:42] * Logan__ is now known as Logan_
�03[15:45] * ChampangeSuperno is now known as WorkingClassHero
[15:45] <Tannerbaum> KimiNewt: you're seriously getting mad a derp for appending a <3 to one line?
[15:45] <KimiNewt>
[15:45] <KimiNewt> read the whole conversation
[15:45] <Tannerbaum> he "hugged" you
[15:45] <KimiNewt> right
[15:46] <Tannerbaum> it's the internet
[15:46] <KimiNewt> it seemed like a patronizing way to handle my statement
[15:46] <KimiNewt> so I asked if he was patronizing and he avoided the question
[15:46] <Tannerbaum> i can "bite" logan_'s "nose"
�06[15:46] * Tannerbaum bites Logan_ 
[15:46] <Tannerbaum> and he won't get mad at me
[15:46] <KimiNewt> I wouldn't be mad either!
�03[15:46] * kim__ ( has left #wikipedia-en ("Leaving"�)
[15:46] <KimiNewt> It's the context!
�06[15:46] * WorkingClassHero kicks Tannerbaum where it counts
[15:47] <KimiNewt> He said "I claim X"
[15:47] <KimiNewt> I said "I claim Y", where Y is quite different from X
[15:47] <KimiNewt> and then he 'hugged' me
[15:47] <KimiNewt> as if saying "Owww you little man with your little opinions"
[15:47] <Tannerbaum> and this is a problem because...?
[15:47] <WorkingClassHero> ...
[15:47] <KimiNewt> read that in a baby-sorta voice
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[15:48] <KimiNewt> I then asked him to clarify WHAT was wrong with my statement and he avoided it
[15:48] <WorkingClassHero> kiminewt: [[WP:DONTTAKETHINGSTHEWRONGWAY]]
[15:48] <KimiNewt> That's what I got "mad" about
�15[15:48] * mindspillage (~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds�)
[15:48] <KimiNewt> I didn't take it the wrong way! I asked him if he was being patronizing!
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[15:48] <KimiNewt> I didn't even outright claim it
[15:49] <KimiNewt> and tbat's not even a page
�08[15:49] -> -Tannerbaum- thanks <3
�15[15:49] * Keegan (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds�)
[15:49] <WorkingClassHero> It shouldn't be one.
[15:50] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: Good idea
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[15:52] <Fluttershy-ENG> ok
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[15:53] <SigmaWP> Fluttershy-ENG: No beer cans today?
�03[15:54] * Crazynas (ae19b4f5@wikipedia/crazynas) has joined #wikipedia-en
�06[15:55] * Crazynas blinks
[15:55] <SigmaWP> Bleh.
[15:55] <Tannerbaum> app inventor <3
�06[15:55] * Crazynas waves to SigmaWP
�15[15:56] * Fae (~Fae@wikipedia/Fae) Quit (Remote host closed the connection�)
[15:56] <SigmaWP> Hello Crazynas :D
�03[15:56] * Rcsprinter (021b9c7f@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #wikipedia-en
[15:57] <SigmaWP> Rcsprinter: Hello :D
[15:58] <Logan_> Tannerbaum: <3
�06[15:58] * SigmaWP pat-pats the creator of the Portal:Trees
�06[15:58] * Crazynas wonders if everyone has had a chance to pop in on Jimbo's talk page
[15:58] <Rcsprinter> SigmaWP : Hi
[15:59] <Tannerbaum> Logan_: <3
�06[15:59] * Tannerbaum hugs Logan_ 
[15:59] <Rcsprinter> SigmaWP: What about the portal?
[15:59] <SigmaWP> An excellent idea
�03[16:00] * JeffAndroIrcAFK (~Jeff_G_do@wikipedia/Jeff-G.) has joined #wikipedia-en
[16:00] <Rcsprinter> what is?
[16:00] <SigmaWP> The portal.
[16:00] <Rcsprinter> yep
[16:00] <Tannerbaum> portal is good
[16:01] <Rcsprinter> why has this come up all of a sudden?
[16:01] <Rcsprinter> peeking at my watchlist? :)
[16:01] <Crazynas> you two just cracked me up with that last exchange
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�06[16:04] * Proletarians has nothing to lose but his chains, but has a world to win :D
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[16:32] <kim__> ohai
�08[16:32] <derp> ohai darls <3
[16:32] <kim__> Are there any smart wikipedians on now? ;-)
�08[16:32] <derp> I AM SO SMART
�08[16:32] <derp> I AM SO SMART
�08[16:32] <derp> S-M-R-T
[16:32] <SigmaWP> derp: :D
[16:33] <crazycoffee> o.O
�08[16:33] <derp> SigmaWP <3
�06[16:33] * kim__ occaisionally drives a smart, does that count?
�08[16:33] <derp> Shallow and Pedantic.
�08[16:33] <derp> ugh
[16:33] <kim__> that sounds like the start of a song
[16:33] <BarkingFish> crazycoffee: don't worry about it. Jeske Merensky will come by soon and marmalise Fluttershy-ENG in a *RAEG* :)
�08[16:33] <derp> my external hard drive is 80% full...
[16:34] <kim__> Shallow and Pedantic\boorish and unromantic
[16:34] <kim__> even hates my fanfic
[16:34] <kim__> it's DEEEEERRRRRpituuuuuuude
[16:34] <Qcoder00> kim_: HI
[16:34] <crazycoffee> BarkingFish: I don't understand what happened....
[16:34] <Tannerbaum> Fluttershy-ENG: pm
[16:34] <kim__> Qcoder00, ohai
[16:34] <Qcoder00> kim__:  Do you know any tame geometry/math people?
�06[16:34] * crazycoffee is kinda a math person
[16:34] <Qcoder00> I have a small problem I am trying to figure out
[16:34] <kim__> Qcoder00, that's a contradictio ;-)
[16:34] <BarkingFish> crazycoffee: not many of us do, don't sweat it
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[16:35] <kim__> Qcoder00, mindspillage and mako are math people
[16:35] <kim__> they are far from tame, however
[16:35] <crazycoffee> Qcoder00: ?
[16:35] <kim__> Qcoder00, please state the nature of the mathematical emergency
�06[16:35] * kim__ looks at crazy coffee
[16:35] <kim__> "crazy" doesn't suggest "tame" either :-p
[16:35] <Qcoder00> It looks simple but I' m not sure how to do it..
�06[16:36] * crazycoffee is not tame... but might be able to help
[16:36] <kim__> Qcoder00, dude, IRC etiquette, it says "Don't ask to ask, just ask!"
[16:36] <crazycoffee> kim__: lol
[16:36] <Qcoder00> How do you combine a curve the X-Y plane, with one in the X-Z plane, such that you have a single curve that can bs used as the basis of generating a torus ?
[16:37] <kim__> woah
[16:37] <Qcoder00> The problem is that i was wanting to generate tunnel walls for a simulatoin program
[16:37] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00: to quote the great Ubottu when asked !anyone:
[16:37] <BarkingFish> A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[16:37] <kim__> my favorite is "Yes, you may ask a question. You're welcome. Your quote for questions is now filled. Have a nice day!"
[16:37] <Qcoder00> The tunnel geometery is defined in terms of an x-y curve (radius) and an x,z curve (pitch).
[16:37] <kim__> s/quote/quota/
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[16:38] <kim__> cos(x)+sin(y)=constant
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[16:38] <kim__> wait
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[16:39] <kim__> um, you could derive it with 3 circle formulas I think :-P
�06[16:39] * kim__ asks google
[16:39] <kim__>
[16:39] <Qcoder00> It looks deceptively simple, but isn't
[16:39] <kim__> oh, wolfram
�06[16:39] * kim__ huggles wolfram
[16:40] <kim__> you probably want parametric equations, if you're doing it in a sim
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[16:40] <Qcoder00> The Wolfram example gives a set of equations for an axis aligned torus
�03[16:40] * petan sets mode: -o petan
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[16:41] <petan> SigmaWP: ^
[16:41] <petan> ok
[16:41] <SigmaWP> Done
[16:41] <petan> thanks
[16:41] <Qcoder00> The tunnel sections i'm generating are not axis aligned..
[16:41] <kim__> Qcoder00, translation, rotation, and scaling are simple :-P
[16:41] <kim__> oh wait
[16:41] <Qcoder00> kim_: That's where I got stuck
[16:41] <kim__> yeah, shove that stuff into a rotation matrix ^^;;
[16:41] <kim__> well
[16:41] <kim__> a rotation matrix is 4*4 right?
[16:42] <kim__> or you can live with 3*3
[16:42] <Qcoder00> because  the curve is in both x-y and y-z, the rotation matrix gets more complex
[16:42] <kim__>
[16:42] <kim__> Qcoder00, no nothing
[16:42] <Qcoder00> kim_ : I need to draw some diagrams I think
[16:42] <kim__> you have x, y, and z
[16:42] <kim__> Why?
[16:42] <kim__> this is simple
[16:42] <kim__> you have the formula for x, for y, and for z
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[16:43] <kim__> you can either calculate the coordinates axis aligned first
[16:43] <kim__> then apply the rotation matrix separately
[16:43] <kim__> or you can put the formula directly into the matrix
[16:43] <Qcoder00> Kim__: OK
[16:43] <kim__> (by putting x, y, z into a verticle vector)
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[16:44] <kim__> vertical even
[16:44] <Qcoder00> I'm probbaly bad at explaining what I am trying to do :(
[16:44] <kim__> and then doing dumb matrix multiplication
[16:44] <kim__> if you have to think, you're doing it wrong ;-)
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[16:44] <Qcoder00> kim__ : Tunnel sections for  'flat' track i can do - just use the equations
[16:45] <kim__> yes
[16:45] <Qcoder00> kim__: tunnel sections on a consrtant grade I can do...
[16:45] <kim__> ok
[16:45] <Qcoder00> (which is a simple rotation)
[16:45] <kim__> right
[16:45] <kim__> I wanna see your code later btw.. might be fun :-)
[16:45] <Qcoder00> It's making tunnel sections where the track is bothe curved, and where the grade changes
[16:45] <crazycoffee> is it bad when I use templates syntax in my own mind when dealing with non-Wikipedia issues?
[16:45] <kim__> Qcoder00, (btw, there exists a #math)
[16:46] <kim__> crazycoffee, almost
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[16:46] <Qcoder00> kim__: I know ... they seemed busy
[16:46] <kim__> crazycoffee, install a wiki and turn off the recursion limit ;-)
[16:46] <Qcoder00> And I manged to mistype he as she when I introduced myself XD
[16:46] <kim__> crazycoffee, then write a scheme implementation in template syntax ;-)
[16:46] <crazycoffee> kim__:  lol
[16:46] <kim__> Qcoder00, Have you ever read "how to ask smart questions?"
[16:46] <Qcoder00> Probbaly
[16:47] <kim__> crazycoffee, I gotta do that sometime, but I need to practice functional coding style more first ^^;;
[16:47] <kim__> Qcoder00, if you're not sure, you prolly haven't
[16:47] <Qcoder00> kim___: OK
[16:47] <kim__>
[16:47] <Qcoder00> Me needs to go away and do some thinking...
[16:47] <kim__> (don't need to read that right way
[16:47] <kim__> away
[16:47] <kim__> but if/when you do, you'll notice you get more answers :-)
[16:47] <kim__> (and better answers too)
�06[16:48] * crazycoffee bookmarks website for further reading
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[16:48] <Addi|AA>
[16:48] <kim__> (oh, finally, after reading it the incidence of   "Hello, my question is <specify question in detail/> ... Oh I got it, wow, that's actually really easy to fix... Thanks all you've been a great help /part"   goes WAY up)
[16:49] <kim__> Qcoder00, if you can specify the question, maybe you'll have the answer already
[16:49] <kim__> else we'll TRY to help
[16:49] <kim__> Hello fae!
�06[16:49] * kim__ waves to fae
[16:49] <kim__> in fact
�06[16:49] * kim__ waves fae 
[16:49] <kim__> ;-)
[16:50] <kim__> Fae, dude, interesting position on the Berkly/science po thing
[16:50] <Qcoder00> kim___: Hmm
�06[16:50] * Fae Waves back
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[16:50] <SigmaWP> Hey, everyone go read the topic
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[16:50] <Qcoder00> I know what I want to do, I'm just lousy at explaining it
[16:50] <Qcoder00> :(
[16:50] <kim__> Fae, obviously I was trying to salvage things... but I can only go so far ;-)
[16:51] <kim__> Qcoder00, ok, so divide and conquer?
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[16:51] <kim__> Qcoder00, what bits do you get already
[16:51] <Fae> I'm for the project, just uncomfortable using CNs in this way.
[16:51] <kim__> Fae, ditto
[16:51] <Qcoder00> kim_: HOw to draw a simple torus , I get
[16:51] <Qcoder00> How to roate the torus , I get
[16:51] <Fae> It's a shame there wasn't a nicer way of getting proper consideration of the issue rather than large numbers of people shouting.
[16:51] <kim__> Fae, did you see my final report on foundation-l ?
[16:52] <Qcoder00> kim_: However you've just given me a thought...
[16:52] <Fae> Probably, I've been a bit distracted with .. Dalton's .. comments
[16:52] <kim__> Fae, Dario wrote this somewhat "oh gosh, the mean people all shouted" piece
[16:52] <Fae> Ha
[16:52] <Qcoder00> It's not actually a straightforward torus I actually need
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[16:52] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00: try ##math
[16:52] <Fae> I definitely got the quick brush off on IRC. Not impressive.
[16:53] <kim__> Fae, and I just went "fail[1], fail[2], fail[3]"
[16:53] <Qcoder00> kim__: I should have something in a week :)
[16:53] <Fae> I think he missed the fact that I might actually be the nice guy.
[16:53] <kim__> Qcoder00, ok!
[16:53] <kim__> Fae, I think he missed the fact that he is required to answer you
[16:54] <kim__> Fae, I was also very nice to steven walling, but he gets it. I got him up the wall by accident
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[16:54] <kim__> Fae, because I never say anything without backing it with adamant. ^^;;
[16:55] <kim__> Fae, tell me about dalton's comments. Or if you want to save your fingers, link me :-)
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[16:55] <Fae> Nobody in "authority" seems to believe that until they have their arms twisted; it's a great pity. I tend to walk away and do something more interesting, so normally these problems are let adrift.
�03[16:55] * Fluttershy-ENG is now known as u_abusebeercans
[16:55] <kim__> Fae, You have much more authority than you think
[16:55] <Fae> The comments are on internal-l
[16:55] <Steven_Zhang> sigh
�03[16:55] * u_abusebeercans is now known as Fluttershy-ENG
[16:55] <Steven_Zhang> BarkingFish: i find myself needing to use my own creation :P
[16:55] <kim__> Fae, internal-l is the new irc it seems
[16:55] <Fluttershy-ENG> Sigma, stop registering shit.
[16:55] <Fae> But not surprising.
[16:55] <kim__> Fae, note that NOTHING on internal-l is valid for consensus
[16:56] <SigmaWP> Fluttershy-ENG: So you admit that your name is shit.
[16:56] <SigmaWP> :S
[16:56] <Steven_Zhang> Now, now.
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[16:56] <Steven_Zhang> that's enough.
[16:56] <kim__> Fae, you probably  know that. But if someone acts on internal-l and doesn't make a statement on-wiki, they can very possibly fry
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[16:56] <Fae> True, I just don't like seeing these lists derailed by aggressive behaviour. I'm a softy.
[16:56] <Fluttershy-ENG> just pm me the password to it.
[16:56] <Gfoley4> good idea!
[16:56] <kim__> Fae, there's agressive behavior on internal-l ?
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[16:57] <kim__> Fae, could you tell me more about that?
[16:57] <BarkingFish> Steven_Zhang: What creation?
[16:57] <Steven_Zhang> the dispute resolution noticeboard :/
[16:57] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[16:57] <Hurricanefan25> 9.9
[16:57] <Fae> Probably not. I can tell you the list exists.
[16:57] <Steven_Zhang> lol, yeah
[16:57] <kim__> Steven_Zhang, DRN still fully operational? :-)
[16:57] <Steven_Zhang> Yeppers :D
[16:58] <Steven_Zhang> im working on something else at the moment :P
[16:58] <Steven_Zhang> binding RFCs
[16:58] <Steven_Zhang> still in the idea phase
[16:58] <Steven_Zhang> but currently employing techniques to resolve my own
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[16:58] <Steven_Zhang> haven't been in a dispute personally for ages.
[16:59] <Steven_Zhang> lol, garth M got blocked
[17:00] <Peter-C> Huzzah! I have made 25$'s today
[17:00] <Seddon> Steven_Zhang: I will be so pleased if Binding RFC's can beomce a reality :P
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[17:00] <Hurricanefan25> By taking that fucking survey? It's a pile of crap and they should take that thing OFF THE WIKI NOW. >:(
[17:00] <Peter-C> What
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[17:00] <Hurricanefan25> ...
[17:00] <Steven_Zhang> seddon, sincere or sarcastic? :P
[17:00] <Peter-C> No... not the survey...
[17:00] <Peter-C> O_o
[17:00] <Gfoley4> oh dear
�06[17:01] * Peter-C calms Hurricanefan25 the fuck down
[17:01] <kim__> Hurricanefan25, don't worry, don't blow such a hurricane. It's gone ;-)
[17:01] <kim__> Seddon, ohai
[17:01] <Seddon> Steven_Zhang: sincere, its been an idea sat in my head for years
[17:01] <Hurricanefan25> It's gone, true, but
[17:01] <Hurricanefan25> That should never have gone live
[17:01] <Steven_Zhang> oh good-o
[17:01] <Steven_Zhang> well you could always comment on the proposal :P
[17:01] <kim__> Fae, well, that's great. So now I have to deal with another Sekrit List
�06[17:01] * Seddon hugs kim__
[17:02] <Steven_Zhang> i changed it to a community-empowered process
[17:02] <kim__> Fae, if they didn't discuss enwiki, that'd be ok, but since they do.... there's going to be trouble
[17:02] <Steven_Zhang> no Content committee :P
�06[17:02] * kim__ huggles seddon
[17:02] <Seddon> I know :P
[17:02] <Steven_Zhang> :)
[17:02] <Seddon> Thats what I like about this
[17:02] <Steven_Zhang> Seddon, remember Lucy-marie?
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[17:02] <kim__> Fae, for some definition of "I" that might be the community instead
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[17:02] <kim__> I wonder what Bishonen would say :-P
[17:02] <Fae> The good thing about closed lists it that reading them is optional. I miss most of the threads, TL,DR and it seems to make no difference.
[17:02] <Steven_Zhang> ya know, the one that wanted to merge every 24 article back in 2008?
[17:02] <Seddon> Steven_Zhang: I do.... just about
[17:03] <Steven_Zhang> she's been indeffed :P
[17:03] <Seddon> lol
[17:03] <Steven_Zhang> for operating a sock account since 2007.
�06[17:03] * Steven_Zhang caught her out...hehehe
[17:03] <Steven_Zhang> good riddance, i say.
[17:03] <Seddon> brb, gotta go buy an indian
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[17:03] <Steven_Zhang> you're buying a person?
[17:04] <Steven_Zhang> lo
[17:04] <Steven_Zhang> lol
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[17:04] <Peter-C> O_o
[17:05] <kim__> Fae, well, internal-l is becoming non-optional, apparently
[17:05] <Steven_Zhang> does anyone else see this as dancing on their grave?
[17:05] <Steven_Zhang> or gloating, etc
[17:05] <kim__> Fae, I caught one admin out for acting on internal-l statements, rather than on meta-wiki consensus
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[17:06] <kim__> Steven_Zhang, AGF?
[17:06] <kim__> (tricky one)
[17:07] <Steven_Zhang> eh, i dunno, TRM has had issues with lucy-marie over the years.
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[17:08] <Fae> I'm not that convinced about most of the lists I'm on. For WM-UK we have a reality check every now and then and revert to using our public member list. Things off the public list tend to be too boring for the public discussion. We get overwhelmed with chiff-chaff.
[17:08] <zscout370> Steven_Zhang, I have and I reverted
[17:09] <Steven_Zhang> ah.
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[17:09] <Steven_Zhang> okay.
[17:09] <Fae> I think we could do much more by phonecall, it would be an awful lot faster if we had something better than Skype conferencing.
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[17:09] <Steven_Zhang> I like phone chats.
[17:10] <Steven_Zhang> Skype calls work to
[17:10] <Steven_Zhang> too
[17:10] <Peter-C> Must... spend... 20 hours... working... GAH
[17:10] <Peter-C> If I spend 20 hours working I get 500 bucks
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[17:10] <Peter-C> I really want 500 bucks...
[17:10] <Fae> I prefer quiet chats in the bar or over a sandwich - when most real decisions are made.
[17:11] <Fae> Works well for my GLAM partners, always better than email.
[17:11] <Peter-C> Fae - those are especially when you are not the one paying
[17:11] <Peter-C> *especially nice
[17:11] <Fae> Ha, I always forget to claim it back.
[17:12] <kim__> Fae, well, real decisions on-wiki are sometimes made on-wiki instead ;-)
[17:12] <kim__> actually, very often
[17:12] <kim__> though the sandwich or beer works wonders :-)
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[17:12] <Qcoder00> kim__:  I think my question is as follows : How do I extend the equation for a torus, to include another radius,angle pair? (I.e extending the dimensions)?
[17:12] <kim__> one of my ancient mentors (Sannse, now of wikia) taught me that one :-)
[17:13] <kim__> Qcoder00, Ok, now I'm lost
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[17:13] <Steven_Zhang> in one day, peter-c?
[17:13] <Fae> Qcoder00: Don't you multiply the vector equations?
[17:13] <Peter-C> No, in 2 weeks
[17:13] <Steven_Zhang> 20 hours in 2 weeks?
[17:13] <Steven_Zhang> you're a bum
[17:13] <Steven_Zhang> i do 40 hours a week
[17:14] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:14] <Peter-C> I have school
[17:14] <Peter-C> >:|
[17:14] <Qcoder00> Fae: has an equation of a torus based on 2 circles
[17:14] <Steven_Zhang> plus squeeze in 10 hours of study a week
[17:14] <Qcoder00> How do I adapt it to add a third circle?
[17:14] <Peter-C> If I didn't have school I would be SO much richer...
[17:14] <Steven_Zhang> the rest of the time is spent eating and sleeping
[17:14] <Peter-C> And spending time with your family >:|
[17:14] <Qcoder00> (being the 'grade' of my track)
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[17:14] <SigmaWP> Autopatrolled is awesome
�06[17:15] * Peter-C places lil Steven_Zhang on Steven_Zhang's lap
[17:15] <Steven_Zhang> yes, that too.
[17:15] <Peter-C> How is the tot?
[17:15] <Fae> Qcoder00: Hm, you should ask someone who did maths less than 25 years ago.
[17:15] <Steven_Zhang> she's wearing a bra. wrong.
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[17:15] <Steven_Zhang> on her feet
[17:15] <Steven_Zhang> lol
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[17:16] <SigmaWP> Alpha_Quadrant: Good bye
[17:16] <Peter-C> O_o
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[17:16] <Steven_Zhang> I wonder when ArbCom will start this RFC on Abortion...
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[17:18] <Lubaf> "What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" "Nothing; your haircut on the other hand..."
[17:18] <Peter-C> Don't fall in -
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[17:19] <kim__> Peter-C, Waaaahhhhh!
[17:19] <kim__> <boink>
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[17:20] <Peter-C> kim__ - you like :P
[17:20] <Peter-C> kim__ what did you do to tommorris
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[17:20] <Hurricanefan25> +colon
[17:20] <kim__> Peter-C, I left him well alone?
[17:20] <Gfoley4> en dash is where it's at.
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[17:21] <Earwig> fail
[17:21] <Hurricanefan25> Err, that didn't work
[17:21] <Gfoley4> lol
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[17:21] <Hurricanefan25> I'll get a real en-dash soon :P
[17:21] <Hurricanefan25> brb
[17:21] <Earwig> yeah, IRC doesn't make sense
[17:21] <Earwig> try –
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[17:21] <kim__> Earwig, therefore you must aquit!
[17:21] <Gfoley4> mac ftw
[17:21] <Earwig> :|
[17:21] <Gfoley4> damn lag
[17:22] <Earwig> kim__: I refuse!
[17:22] <Peter-C> kim__ - I hard you traumatised him at Wikimania :P
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[17:22] <LL2|JedIRC> Yes, but not every client can properly render a symbol the same as another
[17:22] <kim__> Please read: A request for comment from Jimbo Wales –   <- linky no worky?
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[17:22] <kim__> Peter-C, Eh?
[17:22] <LL2|JedIRC> Therefore, I'd say the : is the best
[17:22] <kim__> Peter-C, he traumatized me. He snores!
[17:22] <Earwig> <3 that 404 page
[17:22] <Peter-C> >:O
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[17:22] <kim__> Peter-C, it's only fair that I'd get him back...
[17:23] <kim__> ... no wait, actually I didn't
[17:23] <kim__> Peter-C, what kind of trauma did I instill? ;-)
�06[17:23] * kim__ wasn't aware of any traumas
[17:23] <Peter-C> He won't even talk about it :P
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[17:23] <kim__> Peter-C, well, if I did, fair deal ;-)
[17:23] <Hurricanefan25> :|
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[17:24] <Peter-C> GUYS: If you are gonna change the topic so much, you might as well allow for census first
[17:24] <LL2|JedIRC> Hurricanefan25: can't we just use :
[17:24] <Hurricanefan25> noooooo
[17:24] <Hurricanefan25> double colon = bad
[17:24] <LL2|JedIRC> No
[17:24] <kim__> wtf
[17:24] <Hurricanefan25> I like em dashes better, they look better
[17:24] <kim__> jimmy wants wp to strike?
[17:24] <LL2|JedIRC> Idc if its bad
[17:24] <kim__> boublewtf
[17:25] <kim__> He can't
[17:25] <Hurricanefan25> Though an en dash is grammartically correct
[17:25] <kim__> doublewtf
[17:25] <kim__> he is tainted
[17:25] <LL2|JedIRC> Hurricanefan25: IRC is not WP
[17:25] <Hurricanefan25> ...
[17:25] <Hurricanefan25> ...
[17:25] <Gfoley4> good grammar still applies
[17:25] <LL2|JedIRC> Therefore, not all enwiki rules apply
[17:26] <LL2|JedIRC> Gfoley4: yes, but a : would still work
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[17:26] <Peter-C> Hey, think about the headline if en-wiki goes down in the press and schools
[17:26] <Hurricanefan25> :|
[17:26] <Peter-C> There will be revolts
[17:26] <Peter-C> And the world will end
[17:26] <Hurricanefan25> I just sent an inquiry to CNN. I'm not sure if that was a good idea, thinking about it...
[17:26] <zscout370> Peter-C, with it being finals time, I am not so sure about the revolt from schools
[17:26] <LL2|JedIRC> As I said, not all clients render a symbol the same as another all the time
[17:26] <zscout370> but expect Twitter and Facebook to explode
[17:26] <Tannerbaum> wtf are you arguing about now?
[17:26] <Hurricanefan25> All the schoolchildren will resort to Waepedia
[17:26] <Hurricanefan25> THE RFC
[17:26] <Hurricanefan25> hERE:
[17:27] <Hurricanefan25> Caps-lock :/
[17:27] <LL2|JedIRC> Gfoley4: does it matter if we use the mdash or not?
[17:27] <Hurricanefan25> :|
[17:27] <Gfoley4> endash
[17:27] <Hurricanefan25> Wai do u make such drama about it
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[17:27] <Gfoley4> and, no, it doesn't.
[17:27] <LL2|JedIRC> Does it matter if we use it?
[17:27] <Peter-C> HEY WAIT A MINUTE
[17:27] <LL2|JedIRC> Yeh
[17:27] <Gfoley4> an emdash is —
[17:27] <Peter-C> Jimbo is canvasing!!!
[17:27] <Peter-C> BLOCK HIM!
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�03[17:28] * petan sets mode: +t
�03[17:28] * petan sets mode: -o petan
[17:28] <Hurricanefan25> Any admins here to block Jimbo? ;)
[17:28] <LL2|JedIRC> There are a couple irc clients I could think of that might not support the endash
[17:28] <Earwig> uh
[17:28] <Hurricanefan25> uhh
[17:28] <Hurricanefan25> Does this really matter?
[17:28] <LL2|JedIRC> Petan: no. Bad op
[17:28] <Hurricanefan25> Or should I really take this to ANI? ;)
[17:28] <petan> :O
[17:28] <petan> sorry
[17:28] <LL2|JedIRC> We were DISCUSSING it, yoU idiot
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[17:29] <LL2|JedIRC> Er, minus the you idiot part
[17:29] <petan> hey if you want I will put -t again but please try not to change topic like 10 times before you decide what's ok
[17:29] <Peter-C> ^
[17:29] <Hurricanefan25> MOS:DASH
[17:29] <Hurricanefan25> "
[17:30] <Steven_Zhang> drumroll...
[17:30] <LL2|JedIRC> Gfoley4: isn't it really better to use the : since most, if not all, clients support it correctly?
[17:30] <Gfoley4> you idiot. "oops"
[17:30] <LL2|JedIRC> Petan: that was hurricanefan25, not me
[17:30] <Gfoley4> whatever.
[17:30] <Gfoley4> dgaf, etc.
[17:31] <petan> LL2|JedIRC: I didn't say anything about you
[17:31] <LL2|JedIRC> You said that like I was doing it
[17:31] <petan> huh
[17:31] <Hurricanefan25> Do I have to ask againDoes this really matter
[17:31] <petan> why do you think that
[17:31] <Peter-C> How much money does Jimbo have O_o
[17:31] <Hurricanefan25> Uh
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[17:31] <LL2|JedIRC> [17:29] <petan> hey if you want I will put -t again but please try not to change topic like 10 times before --> you <-- decide what's ok
[17:32] <Hurricanefan25> uh
[17:32] <Hurricanefan25> "Jimmy Wales is an American Internet entrepreneur with a net worth of $1 million."
[17:32] <LL2|JedIRC> Wat.
[17:32] <Hurricanefan25> Though I doubt "" is a reliable source. ;>
[17:32] <zscout370> he did use to run Bomis
[17:32] <LL2|JedIRC> Petan: or were you talking to hurricanefan25?
[17:33] <Hurricanefan25> ...
[17:33] <Hurricanefan25> ...
[17:33] <Hurricanefan25> ...
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[17:33] <petan> I was talking to all people in channel
[17:33] <LL2|JedIRC> Oh
[17:33] <Gfoley4> stop, Hurricanefan25.
[17:33] <petan> guys if you want to change the topic I will be happy to let you do that, just make a final version :)
[17:33] <LL2|JedIRC> Well, only one person changed it a lot, I don't see why all of us should take the blame
[17:33] <Steven_Zhang> hm, TRM is not amused.
[17:34] <Fae> kim__: Whaa? I was just about to retire for the night.
[17:34] <kim__> it's only 22:34 local!
[17:34] <zscout370> Steven_Zhang, amused by what?
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[17:34] <kim__> Fae, Oh well. Good night then!
[17:34] <kim__> :-)
[17:34] <Steven_Zhang> My comment on his talk page.
[17:34] <petan> ok, let's have a vote then, who is for -t? who is for +t?
[17:34] <Gfoley4> +t
[17:34] <Fae> Yeh, I'm only 14 ;-)
[17:34] <Steven_Zhang> +t
[17:34] <kim__> Fae, 41 reversed? ;-)
[17:34] <kim__> topic editable
[17:35] <Fae> I wish.
[17:35] <kim__> and polls are evil!
[17:35] <kim__> Fae, you do? :-P
[17:35] <kim__> only person to ever wish that, I'm sure
[17:35] <petan> LL2|JedIRC: sorry it seems that consensus is against that... :|
[17:35] <petan> consensus established in 2minutes
[17:35] <petan> :)
[17:36] <LL2|JedIRC> Petan: can we at least use -- instead? I've seen -- look the same as the endash
[17:36] <Steven_Zhang> is The Rambling Man still a crat?
[17:36] <Steven_Zhang> hmm
[17:36] <Steven_Zhang> yep
[17:36] <Gfoley4> "look the same"?
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[17:37] <petan> LL2|JedIRC: depends, discuss that with others and the version which most of people would like, can be set
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[17:38] <petan> I just didn't like how it was changes 10 times just because people couldn't decide
[17:38] <petan> or whatever
[17:38] <LL2|JedIRC> Of course my phone would restart right after I ask that.. -_-'
[17:38] <Peter-C> Can I put tracking code into a CSS file?
[17:38] <petan> LL2|JedIRC: depends, discuss that with others and the version which most of people would like, can be set
[17:38] <LL2|JedIRC> Petan: you mean because hurricanefan25 couldn't decide
[17:39] <LL2|JedIRC> Look at the damn logs
[17:39] <Gfoley4> ugh
[17:39] <petan> I don't care
[17:39] <petan> it could be anyone...
[17:39] <LL2|JedIRC> I don't even understand why we NEED the appeal part in it
[17:40] <LL2|JedIRC> We could just make it the banner thing on WP
[17:40] <kim__> The wikipedia strike is a bitt odd
[17:40] <kim__> how can we possibly do that if we still have the image filter debate open?
[17:40] <SigmAway> LL2|JedIRC: Good idea
[17:40] <kim__> it's going to send very mixed messages
[17:40] <SigmAway> Στc<small>oal balls</small>
[17:40] <kim__> LL2|JedIRC, NOOOOOooooo
[17:41] <LL2|JedIRC> SigmAway: did you get my talkback and memo?
[17:41] <SigmAway> Yep
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[17:41] <LL2|JedIRC> I'd have reason to think the "appeal", without reading it, is probably spam, kim__
[17:42] <LL2|JedIRC> Why would we go on strike on WP?
[17:42] <kim__> because of SOPA, apparently
[17:42] <LL2|JedIRC> So we get money? If that is the case, we'd always be on strike then
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[17:43] <zscout370> LL2|JedIRC, the Italians did a similar thing and there was a question if it it.wp can do it, so could en.wp
[17:44] <kim__> different kind of strike
[17:44] <kim__> I don't think wikipedia should go around striking
[17:44] <kim__> but in this case wp is tainted
[17:44] <SigmAway> Wikipedia should go and strike down conservapedia
[17:44] <kim__> so we can't
[17:44] <SigmAway> Kaboom!
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[17:46] <Tannerbaum> whee, $585 keyboard!
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[17:51] <Steven_Zhang> you mean laptop :{
[17:51] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:51] <Tannerbaum> Steven_Zhang: no, keyboard
[17:52] <Tannerbaum> No screen, no hard drive, no processor, just a keyboard
[17:52] <Steven_Zhang> that looks like a laptop to me.
[17:52] <Steven_Zhang> uh?
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[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> O_o
[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> and for $15 extra
[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> you get a laptop
[17:53] <Steven_Zhang> must be a mistake
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> SigmAway:
�06[17:55] * Steven_Zhang facepalms
[17:55] <Steven_Zhang> bah bow
[17:55] <SigmAway> DQ|phone: I'll be away for a bit, if you got my email could you email me back or send me a memo?
[17:56] <DQ|phone> got the email, and its reminding me ;)
[17:56] <Steven_Zhang> that is most definitely a NOTNOW...
[17:56] <SigmAway> Thanks :D
[17:56] <SigmAway> Steven_Zhang: He epically failed my CSD question.
[17:57] <Steven_Zhang> indeed
[17:57] <Joan> kim__: Ping!
[17:57] <Steven_Zhang> the correct answer is "A7 doesnt include software"
[17:57] <kim__> Pong
[17:57] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:57] <kim__> Joan, sup doc?
[17:57] <SigmAway> Yeah
[17:57] <SigmAway> And A10 doesn't include Project:Pagename
[17:57] <Joan> kim__:
[17:57] <kim__> Joan, Ohai blondy
[17:57] <Steven_Zhang> Alpha_Quadrant: im going to have to use
[17:57] <Joan> kim__: Hey. :-)
[17:57] <Joan> kim__: Better link:
[17:57] <SigmAway> Steven_Zhang: Huggle is considered software right?
[17:58] <Steven_Zhang> duh
[17:58] <Steven_Zhang> it runs on a computer doesnt it
[17:58] <Joan> kim__: Am I crazy?
[17:58] <Steven_Zhang> thus, is software :P
[17:58] <SigmAway> Steven_Zhang: Someone could say the same thing about a Grep script
[17:58] <kim__> Joan, nope, perfectly san e
[17:58] <Steven_Zhang> a script is a script
[17:59] <SigmAway> Steven_Zhang: Oh yeah, go ask him a question
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> huggle is a packaged executable file
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> thus,software
[17:59] <SigmAway> Preferably about the Privacy Policy and other stuff that got him blocked
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:59] <Alpha_Quadrant> Steven_Zhang: one of my mentees can't seem to keep themselves /off/ the DRN...
[17:59] <SigmAway> Alpha_Quadrant: NWA removed "China = shame"
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[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> Alpha_Quadrant: but using my own board?
[17:59] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[17:59] <SigmAway> Bye everyone
[18:00] <Alpha_Quadrant> heh
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[18:01] <kim__> Joan, hmm, I'm trying to recall the process quality measure
[18:02] <Joan> I'm not.
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[18:03] <kim__> CMMI
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[18:05] <Peter-C> OH FOR FUCKS SAKE
[18:06] <Logan_> I believe six.
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�06[18:06] * Peter-C whacks Logan_ with a tree branch
[18:06] <Logan_> But wasn't that beautiful short link worthwhile?
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[18:07] <Peter-C> no >:|
[18:07] <Logan_> Oh. :(
[18:07] <kim__> Anyone with consultancy skills sanity check my sanity check?
[18:07] <kim__>
[18:07] <Logan_> I could do an link. ;P
[18:08] <Logan_> Tannerbaum: ^
[18:08] <kim__> Joan, I'm sticking my neck out a bit
[18:08] <Tannerbaum> for what?
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[18:08] <Logan_> Tannerbaum: The RfC link in the topic.
[18:08] <Logan_> I switched it to a vanity one.
[18:08] <Steven_Zhang> Sigh
[18:08] <kim__> Joan, happy?
[18:08] <Steven_Zhang> Yes it's going to DRN....
[18:09] <Logan_> The short link?
�06[18:09] * Logan_ is confused.
[18:09] <Steven_Zhang> Looks like I will have to get up.
[18:09] <Peter-C> O-o
[18:09] <Logan_> Steven_Zhang: But you're on your computer already.
[18:09] <Steven_Zhang> No, on iPad
[18:10] <Logan_> Ah.
[18:10] <Steven_Zhang> The irony though.
[18:10] <Logan_> /nick SteveiPad
[18:10] <Steven_Zhang> Using my own DR forum
[18:10] <Steven_Zhang> Well, the one I designed anyways.
[18:10] <Logan_> Er, that reads like Stevei Pad.
[18:13] <kim__> Joan, improved it a bit too
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[18:17] <kim__> maybe joan is insane anyway, let's check?
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[18:23] <Joan> kim__: Sorry, in and out. :-)
[18:23] <Joan> And about to out and about.
[18:24] <Peter-C> I feel offended
[18:24] <kim__> shoot
[18:24] <Joan> And about to be out and about.
[18:24] <kim__> I just invited MDennis to irc
[18:24] <Peter-C> Facebook thinks I am in its WoW demographic :(
[18:24] <Joan> kim__: Geoff/Maggie want to keep the Terms of use locked down, either socially (with banner) or physically (with page protection).
[18:24] <Joan> I think it should be kept open to editing without any banner.
[18:24] <Joan> Maggie keeps saying "but it's legal dox!!!"
[18:24] <Joan> Geoff hasn't really weighed in, I don't think.
[18:25] <kim__> Joan, I think they're saying "I didn't say that"
[18:25] <Joan> Well, their banners and protections say otherwise. :-)
[18:25] <kim__> so I'm confuzzeled
[18:25] <kim__> the terms of use summary doesn't seem to have a banner?
[18:26] <kim__> Oh fubar
[18:26] <kim__> there
[18:26] <kim__> yes
[18:26] <kim__>
[18:26] <Joan> Oh,
[18:26] <kim__> Ok, yeah, that's definitely wrong
[18:26] <Joan> Looks like Geoff has stepped in and taken a position.
[18:26] <Joan> Oh dear.
[18:26] <Joan> Full protection too.
[18:26] <Joan> Hrmph.
[18:27] <Joan>
[18:27] <Joan> I'll read more later.
[18:27] <Joan> kim__: May definitely need your help. :-)
[18:28] <kim__> Ah
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[18:28] <kim__> well, it might be tricky
[18:28] <kim__> it's like trying to code stuff
[18:28] <kim__> but people are making suggestions that aren't code :-P
[18:28] <kim__> and we don't have a compiler or lint ;-)
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[18:32] <Moe_Epsilon> how can responsibility and civility be part of a "terms of use"? those are completely subjective the opinion of whoever is enforcing these "terms of use"
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[18:35] <gde33> Moe_Epsilon: howabout reliability? :P
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[18:35] <SigmAway> New Jersey.
�06[18:35] * SigmAway nods
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[18:37] <Moe_Epsilon> t.o.s. is a group of rules you have to abide to so that you can use a product
[18:37] <BarkingFish> Moe_Epsilon: They're perfectly acceptable as parts of the "terms of use" - if you're incivil, you can lose your right to use the site.  If you're irresponsible and bugger things up in the process, you can lose your right to use the sight.
[18:37] <Moe_Epsilon> the latest craze will be a t.o.s. noticeboard .-.
[18:37] <BarkingFish> *sight/site
[18:38] <gde33> BarkingFish: to late I had already pictured you poking peoples eyes out
[18:38] <Peter-C> hey guys... I remember an ad service that you would install it, and it would see how much you use applications
[18:38] <Peter-C> And then sell the data, and you made money
[18:39] <BarkingFish> Peter-C: there was one which did that, unfortunately most antivirus software now kills it as it contained a very dangerous trojan which was nicking people's personal information
[18:39] <BarkingFish> including bank details and shit
[18:39] <gde33> Peter-C:
[18:39] <Peter-C> Blah, the one I am refering to was form 2-3 years ago
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[18:39] <BarkingFish> iirc it was called SAH (shop at home)
[18:40] <BarkingFish> or something like that
[18:40] <Moe_Epsilon> BarkingFish: ..and repeat offenders? How about editors who get blocked for civiility once? Do they have to repeatedly agree to a terms of use everytime they are unblocked, because usually if you are taken down from a website or product because of t.o.s. you usually can't go back and ask for forgiveness repeatedly
[18:41] <Moe_Epsilon> the unblock function makes terms of use moot
[18:41] <BarkingFish> If they're unblocked, they usually have to agree to behave themselves accordingly, which means complying with all the policies and rules of the site, including the TOS.
[18:42] <gde33> we should install a word filter on the user after 2 warnings
[18:42] <BarkingFish> There is at least I know which expressly forbid the creation of another account if you lose one due to a TOS violation, and that's YouTube
[18:43] <gde33> yes, but if you create the account beforehand everything is fine lol
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[18:43] <BarkingFish> gde33: oh no it isn't :)  Duplicate accounts are also forbidden, and that can get all of your accounts banned.
[18:43] <Gfoley4> Upset brewing in Bloomington
[18:44] <gde33> duplicate google accounts, yes. You cna have as many youtube accounts as you like.
[18:44] <gde33> unless they don't give those anymore?
[18:44] <kim__> BarkingFish, when did duplicate accounts get forbidden?
[18:44] <kim__> Oh, on google
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[18:45] <gde33> people use to make tons of accounts because you could set only 1 auto reply per email address
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[18:48] <BarkingFish> yeah, well since then it's kinda tricky
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[18:49] <BarkingFish> Because when you join youtube now, as a new user, you do it through google accounts - and if you set up multiple accounts where similar details are detected, regardless of the email addresses you use, they will smell a rat and most likely shut you down
[18:49] <Moe_Epsilon> "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other users and violate our rules, and they may also subject you to liability." they certainly they don't mean legal liability do they, and just liable to have your account restricted, right?
[18:49] <BarkingFish> no, they do mean legal liability
[18:50] <BarkingFish> If you post a video on Youtube defaming the founder of Turkey, for example, it can render you legally liable to get blacklisted from entering Turkey.
[18:51] <Moe_Epsilon> see I have a problem with that, we are going to sue every petty vandal? "Engaging in harassment, threats, stalking, spamming, or vandalism"
[18:51] <BarkingFish> or if you do it while you're living in Turkey, you can get imprisoned for it
[18:51] <BarkingFish> regardless of where you come from
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[18:53] <Moe_Epsilon> well personally, I can't wait to see the shit slinging fest that occurs because of a t.o.s.
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[18:58] <astro73|alice> Could we try and fix a new article before deleting it?
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[18:59] <kim__> novel idea! ;-)
[18:59] <TParis> astro73 - New article can definitely be fixed as long as they arn't written about you cat fluffy, how awesome you are, your new band, or the word you just made up.
[18:59] <TParis> articles*
[19:00] <TParis> and your*
[19:00] <astro73|alice> ok
[19:00] <astro73|alice> Innovation First was nominated for speedy deletion, and got deleted even though I asked "how can I fix this?"
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[19:00] <astro73|alice> because it was too "promotional"
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[19:00] <astro73|alice> (I just wrote what they make)
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[19:01] <TParis> Ohh, so it's a company you like?
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[19:01] <kim__> That's ok
[19:01] <kim__> can you find sources for the  company?
[19:02] <astro73|alice> I'm sure if I went digging. I just spent 5 minutes on an initial article and labelled it {{stub}}. I would think that's generally a clue for "I know this is incomplete and needs help"
[19:02] <SigmaWP> Yep
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[19:03] <Steven_Zhang> howdy
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[19:03] <astro73|alice> I just asked Phantomsteve (the deleter) to undelete it so I can fix it
[19:03] <Steven_Zhang> well. it's done.
[19:03] <Steven_Zhang> heh
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[19:03] <TParis> Astro73: Articles on companies need to explain why they are significant or important in the first revision; else they are vulnerable to deletion.
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[19:04] <TParis> Hi Steven
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[19:04] <astro73|alice> TParis: It would be nice if he mentioned that in the talk page
[19:04] <astro73|alice> or _tried_
[19:04] <astro73|alice> given that I ASKED
[19:05] <TParis> Astro73: I understand your frustration, but consider for a moment if you are only one of hundreds of people who are creating articles about companies every hour.
[19:06] <TParis> Could you imagine how much trouble it is to sort through that kind of material?
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[19:06] <TParis> Did you create your article through the article wizard?
[19:06] <Peter-C> <3
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[19:06] <astro73|alice> No, I'm kinda old school that way.
[19:06] <TParis> Ok, well the article wizard would've explained this for you.
[19:06] <astro73|alice> Actually, I didn't know the wizard existed until a few minutes ago
[19:06] <TParis> Did you read the "Your first article" guide?
[19:07] <Steven_Zhang> TParis: is it ironic if I used the DR forum i created?
[19:07] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Yep
[19:07] <TParis> Steven: Haha, that's kinda funny but not necessarily ironic
[19:07] <Steven_Zhang> no it is not :P
[19:07] <Steven_Zhang> well, I have faith in the DR system
[19:07] <Steven_Zhang> especially /that/ system
[19:07] <astro73|alice> TParis: Not really. I didn't think I had to, considering I've been messing with wikipedia a long time and i've been in the source since MW v1.6
[19:08] <Steven_Zhang> since i designed it myself
[19:08] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[19:08] <TParis> Astro73: Wikipedia changes in a significant way just about every 6 months...
[19:08] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Just get into a dispute about the coal balls
[19:09] <astro73|alice> So I think that's more for my point of "Maybe you should give the guy a chance if he asks what he can do?"
[19:09] <LL2|JedIRC> My mom apparently just doesn't want me to get a 3ds
[19:09] <LL2|JedIRC> I don't think she has a reason for not getting it for me either
[19:09] <astro73|alice> Is it possible to undelete an article? Or should I just get started trying to write a new one
[19:09] <Steven_Zhang> It feels rather odd.
[19:10] <LL2|JedIRC> Apparently my mom doesn't want to talk to me now.
[19:10] <TParis> Yes, it can be undeleted.  I can move it to your userspace for you to improve.  However, I need to know you have sources that are not affiliated with the company and are not press releases or forums.
[19:10] <TParis> And they have to directly cover the company significantly.
[19:11] <astro73|alice> ...
[19:11] <LL2|JedIRC> She thinks she is COMPLETELY RIGHT. She may be partially right, which I doubt, but on the "concerns list", so far I've trumped every one of them
[19:11] <astro73|alice> TParis: you guys have gotten strict with your sources
[19:12] <LL2|JedIRC> -_-'
[19:12] <LL2|JedIRC> No we havent. They've stayed the same.
[19:12] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: Oh.
[19:12] <TParis> Astro73: Not really.  Third party sources are how we denote notability.  If other people are commenting about a company, than we know it's notable.  If no one is talking about it, why should Wikipedia?
[19:12] <BarkingFish> Could I ask a favour please? I'm doing a little research into welfare payments and benefits. If you're in the UK (only), would you please be kind enough to fill out a very short survey for me.
[19:12] <TParis> We're not here to be a web host and if we covered every company in existance than we'd be a database full of useless crap.
[19:13] <SigmaWP> TParis: Another reason for you to do CSD work.
[19:13] <BarkingFish> It's quick, it's easy, and the site doesn't collect any personal information  -
[19:13] <SigmaWP> Cough cough.
[19:13] <TParis> I do do CSD work :P
[19:13] <SigmaWP> That's what all the admins say, but a week after they get adminship...
[19:13] <astro73|alice> TParis: I understand. I'm not affiliated with them, I'm just writing what I know about a company I'm sure falls under "significant"
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[19:14] <TParis> SigmaWP: I can't maintain NawlinWiki's pace, it's exhausting.
[19:14] <astro73|alice> TParis: Moving it to my userspace [[User:Astronouth7303]] will be fine for now
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[19:14] <SigmaWP> Hm, South Carolina
[19:14] <TParis> Astro73: We don't allow original research: ie. "I sure falls under 'significant'".  It must be demonstrated as significant by a published source.
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[19:15] <TParis> Astro73: I'm not going to userfy it until you have those sources.  I'm not convinced yet that it'd ever become an article and I hate to create userspace drafts that exist to serve as indefinite fake articles.
[19:15] <astro73|alice> TParis: They produce Vex and Hexbug and for a long time had a close affiliation with FIRST Robotics, all of which is considered significant. I'm sure I can find official sources.
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[19:16] <TParis> Apologies of course, just how I work.
[19:16] <astro73|alice> TParis: It's better than trying to fight a deletion war with an admin
[19:16] <TParis> Astro73: Not "official" sources, "third party independent" sources.
[19:16] <astro73|alice> what i meant
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[19:16] <TParis> When you find them, just post them on Phantomsteve's or my own talk page and either of us can userfy it for you.
[19:17] <TParis> My Wikipedia account username is the same as my IRC name.
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[19:19] <TParis> Geeze SigmaWP: There are like 8 articles up for CSD.  You hound me like there is a backlog or something :P
[19:19] <SigmaWP> 8 > 0
[19:19] <SigmaWP> That's impossible
[19:20] <SigmaWP> whut
[19:20] <SigmaWP> Someone
[19:20] <SigmaWP> cleared it
[19:20] <SigmaWP> Dang ye bongwarriors
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[19:21] <Peter-C> Anyone here ever been to a NYCPL?
[19:21] <SigmaWP> And courcelles
[19:21] <SigmaWP> and ronhjones
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[19:21] <SigmaWP> Wait
�06[19:21] * SigmaWP thanks the aforementioned users
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[19:22] <TParis> Ass
[19:22] <TParis> I cleared some too :P
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[19:23] <Gfoley4> Indiana-Kentucky 71-70
[19:23] <Gfoley4> wow
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[19:27] <astro73|alice> TParis: Would Business week work?
[19:27] <Logan_> JeffAndroIrcAFK3: Please fix your connection.
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[19:27] <Gfoley4> holy shit
[19:27] <Gfoley4> Indiana beats #1 Kentucky on a buzzer beater
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[19:28] <OlEnglish> woohoo
[19:28] <SigmaWP> what?
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[19:29] <TParis> SigmaWP: The CSD log is cleared.
[19:30] <SigmaWP> Yay!
[19:30] <TParis> 0 articles up for CSD right now.
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[19:32] <mabdul|busy> SigmaWP: what? your rfa? XD
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[19:37] <Alpha_Quadrant> TParis: it looks like this user is admin shopping
[19:37] <astro73|alice> :P
�06[19:38] * SigmaWP prefers cheap admins
[19:38] <astro73|alice> Is it too much to ask for a bone?
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[19:38] <Alpha_Quadrant> astro73|alice: generally, you should only go to one admin at a time
[19:38] <astro73|alice> And how the heck do you guys track these things???
[19:39] <Alpha_Quadrant> Special:Contributions
[19:39] <Alpha_Quadrant> It lists all the pages a particular editor has edited
[19:39] <SigmaWP> 1337 hax
[19:39] <astro73|alice> since I keep hearing about hundreds and thousands of edits made
[19:39] <SigmaWP> But Special:Contributions works too
[19:40] <astro73|alice> really, i'm just a guy trying to contribute to the repository of knowledge
[19:40] <Earwig> aren't we all...
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[19:41] <Maid> I keep it clean \o/
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Session Start: Sat Dec 10 19:42:22 2011
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Session Start: Sat Dec 10 22:58:00 2011
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�03[22:58] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[22:58] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: | Please read: A request for comment from Jimbo Wales –�'
�03[22:58] * Set by Logan_ on Sat Dec 10 18:03:47
[22:58] #wikipedia-en url is
�08[22:58] <fdgchjvbknk> Thank you Google for showing that Cliff Richard is a Vagina Hunter!
�08[22:58] <fdgchjvbknk>
[22:58] <matthewrbowker> O.O fail archive on Google's part.
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[22:59] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Hello
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[22:59] <wctaiwan> Hi.
�08[22:59] <fdgchjvbknk> We need more ham.
[23:00] <matthewrbowker> fdgchjvbknk: It's fixed on the actual article:  and Google should update their records within the next couple days.
�08[23:00] <fdgchjvbknk> let me see when
[23:00] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: To make it for regular people to be able to use it
[23:00] <Tannerbaum>
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[23:00] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: I think I need to create my own version
[23:00] <LL2|JedIRC> SigmaWP: did you see my messages to you above?
[23:00] <SigmaWP> Yeah
[23:01] <SigmaWP> Just read them
�08[23:01] <fdgchjvbknk>
[23:01] <SigmaWP> OH
[23:01] <LL2|JedIRC> Ok
[23:01] <SigmaWP> WAIT
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[23:01] <SigmaWP> I GOT IT
[23:01] <SigmaWP> HEY
[23:01] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: Let me edit your template?
�08[23:01] <fdgchjvbknk> ¶µrbou;,rjtjre,
[23:01] <SigmaWP> matthewrbowker: Page numnbers, don't forget
[23:01] <LL2|JedIRC> Sure, whatever floats your boat
[23:01] <SigmaWP> only 3 weeks left
[23:01] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: thanks
�08[23:01] <fdgchjvbknk> sorry, chihuahua walked on keyboard
[23:01] <SigmaWP> i got it
[23:01] <LL2|JedIRC> Use the sandbox for it if you want
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�08[23:01] <fdgchjvbknk> Can i go poopy in the sandbox?
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[23:01] <matthewrbowker> fdgchjvbknk: It will be updated here within the next two days or so on Google.  We can't do anything.
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[23:02] <Pesky> Hey Sigma
[23:02] <SohaibManfredi> what happens if someone changes to Random account 39949472? Would an admin revert it?
[23:02] <Pesky> Just saw your "Hello"
[23:03] <SigmaWP> Good fucking coal balls, CAT:CSD is completly empty!!! :D
[23:03] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: No way?!
[23:03] <SigmaWP> matthewrbowker: No way to the page numbers or CSD?
[23:03] <LL2|JedIRC> SigmaWP: I'd prefer you use the sandbox for it or your own sandbox, though
[23:03] <SigmaWP> ok
[23:03] <SigmaWP> it's really minor
[23:03] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: CSD
[23:03] <SigmaWP> Just an ifeq and {{NAMESPACE}}
[23:03] <LL2|JedIRC> So you don't break the transclusions of it
[23:03] <SigmaWP> matthewrbowker: Yeah :D
[23:04] <LL2|JedIRC> Well, I'll make the copy for you then
[23:04] <LL2|JedIRC> Since the way you'd need the noinclude tags to be is not just <noinclude>
[23:05] <SigmaWP> ok
[23:05] <LL2|JedIRC> You'd need to intentionally break the noinclude tags in the templates code
[23:06] <LL2|JedIRC> Perhaps <noinclude<includeonly></includeonly>>asdf</noinclude<includeonly></includeonly>>
[23:06] <LL2|JedIRC> That will allow it to transfer over in transclusion
[23:06] <SigmaWP> d'wha?
[23:06] <LL2|JedIRC> Here, what code are you adding?
[23:07] <LL2|JedIRC> I can make it subst-able for you
[23:08] <SigmaWP> {{<inclyudeonly>safesubst:</>#ifeq:{{<inlcudeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|Template|<noinclude>|}} at the top
[23:08] <SigmaWP> and then at the bottom
[23:08] <SigmaWP> {{<inclyudeonly>safesubst:</>#ifeq:{{<inlcudeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|Template|</noinclude>|}
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[23:08] <LL2|JedIRC> That wont work
[23:08] <SigmaWP> Just because I spelled it wrong?
[23:08] <LL2|JedIRC> Wrap it all into the one
[23:08] <LL2|JedIRC> Herre
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[23:09] <PiRSquared17> I found an edit which may be RevDelable
[23:10] <LL2|JedIRC> {{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|Template|<noinclude<includeonly></includeonly>>TEMPLATE CODE</noinclude<includeonly></includeonly>>|TEMPLATE CODE}}
[23:10] <SigmaWP> PiRSquared17: #wikipedia-en-revdel
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[23:10] <LL2|JedIRC> Use that
[23:11] <SigmaWP> What
[23:11] <SigmaWP> I can use <noinclude<includeonly>>?
[23:11] <SigmaWP> What the hell does that do?
[23:11] <LL2|JedIRC> That basically will wrap it all into one big ifeq, and will make it noinclude wrap for templates
[23:11] <LL2|JedIRC> It basically breaks the noinclude tag
[23:12] <LL2|JedIRC> But when subst-ing, it takes off the includeonly tags, leaving the noinclude tag going into the resulting text
[23:12] <SigmaWP> So if I translcude it
[23:12] <SigmaWP> I'll see a big and ugly <noinclude>?
[23:13] <LL2|JedIRC> I haven't tried transcluding, tbh
[23:13] <LL2|JedIRC> Lemme try in mah sandbox
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[23:13] <SigmaWP> petan: Poke
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[23:16] <LL2|JedIRC> Yeh, it'll come out with the noinclude
[23:17] <LL2|JedIRC> SigmaWP: ^
[23:17] <SigmaWP> Huh?
[23:17] <SigmaWP> Wait, so you mean transcluding means it will display <noinclude> on the page?
[23:17] <LL2|JedIRC> It'll come out with the noinclude visible if transcluded
[23:17] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[23:17] <LL2|JedIRC> Yeh
[23:17] <SigmaWP> Hm...
[23:18] <LL2|JedIRC> Subst-ing will do it differently, though
[23:18] <SigmaWP> So I either have to subst' always
[23:19] <SigmaWP> hm.......
[23:19] <SigmaWP> if i transclude
[23:19] <LL2|JedIRC> Just make it subst
[23:19] <SigmaWP> i have to wrap the transclusion in noiblcude
[23:19] <SigmaWP> yeah
[23:19] <SigmaWP> subst always is easier
[23:19] <LL2|JedIRC> And don't subst on userpages unless it is incorrect templates
[23:19] <SigmaWP> It won't edit userpage
[23:19] <SigmaWP> s
[23:19] <LL2|JedIRC> Just use the code I gave you
[23:20] <SigmaWP> I don't want to get any complaints about "Y U EDIT MY USERPAGE N00000b"
[23:20] <SigmaWP> OK
[23:20] <LL2|JedIRC> [23:10] <LL2|JedIRC> {{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|Template|<noinclude<includeonly></includeonly>>TEMPLATE CODE</noinclude<includeonly></includeonly>>|TEMPLATE CODE}}
[23:20] <SigmaWP> Then that means I have to copy the template code twice
[23:20] <LL2|JedIRC> I've yet to recieve a complaint of having done an edit to userspace for that
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