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Session Start: Thu Dec 08 16:09:43 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[16:09] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[16:09] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http://bit.ly/WPAC11�'
�03[16:09] * Set by methecooldude!~methecool@wikipedia/methecooldude on Tue Dec 06 18:53:16
[16:09] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
�08[16:10] * derp is doing a time lapse movie.
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�08[16:13] <derp> uh oj
�08[16:13] <derp> uh oh
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�08[16:13] <derp> a extremely important security aera has been declared in Montreal
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�08[16:14] <derp> Montreal Police, HAZMAT firemen, RCMP Commandement center and customs agents.
[16:14] <ZT> derp: what exactly happened?
�08[16:14] <derp> ZT, suspicious vehicle in a car lot.
[16:15] <ZT> derp "suspicious" in what way?
�08[16:15] * derp gets the news article.
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[16:16] <BarkingFish> derp, you got a link?
[16:16] <kim__> wow
�08[16:16] * derp is looking for one
[16:17] <kim__> how does a vehicle get THAT suspicious?
�08[16:17] <derp> I have one, it's in french tough
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[16:17] <BarkingFish> no matter
[16:17] <ZT> ot
[16:17] <ZT> it'll work just find
[16:17] <ZT> fine
[16:17] <BarkingFish> it's needed
[16:17] <peter-laptop> Sketchy as in tinted windows or sketchy as in wires and a clock attache to es metal object?
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�08[16:18] <derp> http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2011/12/20111208-153412.html
�03[16:18] * Maryana|foodz is now known as Maryana
[16:18] <petan> Maryana! :)
[16:18] <petan> hi
[16:18] <ZT> "matiere douteuse" like what?
�08[16:19] <derp> Questionable material
�08[16:19] <derp> radioactivity
�08[16:19] <derp> or biohazard
�08[16:19] <derp> http://goo.gl/Ufj8J
[16:19] <petan> :O
[16:19] <Maryana> hi petan!
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�08[16:19] <derp> Translated by Google
�08[16:19] <derp> :)
[16:19] <petan> how is huggle test going on
[16:19] <kim__> derp, sounds like a job for #wikinews ?
[16:19] <Maryana> we're running analysis. should be done by monday.
[16:20] <petan> ah
[16:20] <petan> cool
[16:20] <Maryana> yeah! data is fun :)
[16:20] <petan> heh
[16:20] <ZT> wikinews is still online? :P
�08[16:20] <derp> It's in devlopement
[16:20] <Maryana> also trying to run a bunch more bot tests
�08[16:20] <derp> so don't worry
�08[16:20] <derp> :)
[16:20] <petan> cool
[16:20] <petan> let me know if you wanted help
�08[16:20] <derp> Maryana, Huggle  for *gag* windows? *gag*
[16:20] <petan> derp: soon for linux
[16:21] <petan> derp: read WP:HG
�08[16:21] * derp has one ready for OS X
�08[16:21] <derp> :P
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�08[16:21] <derp> i just need to port it to LIon :P
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[16:21] <Maryana> petan: how's huggle 3 development going?
[16:21] <petan> derp: if youa re good in programming you should consider joining dev team
[16:21] <Qcoder00> Shouldn't Huggle 3 be a grouphug?
[16:21] <Qcoder00> ;)
[16:22] <petan> Maryana: slowly
[16:22] <Maryana> heh. you've been busy with a lot of projects lately
[16:22] <petan> indeed
�08[16:22] <derp> petan, it has been written from scratch, Using Objective C and using WebKit as the browser engine
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[16:22] <petan> derp, you should join dev team :)
[16:23] <petan> new huggle is being written in c#
[16:23] <kim__> NOOOOOO
[16:23] <petan> :o
[16:23] <kim__> please, at least write it in java
[16:23] <kim__> ^^;;
[16:23] <kim__> (I still hate java, but ..)
�08[16:23] <derp> kim__, java is slow.
[16:23] <petan> I hate it even more
[16:23] <kim__> derp, so is c#
�08[16:23] * derp wrote it in Objective C
[16:23] <russavia> Alex Goldfarb, who had arranged Litvinenko's defection from Moscow in 2000 and is now director of Berezovsky's International Foundation for Civil Liberties, emerged as his official spokesman using Berezovsky's PR agency, Bell Pottinger.
[16:24] <kim__> ObjC is not too bad
[16:24] <Joan> Write Huggle as a Web app.
�06[16:24] * kim__ used to use WindowMaker :-)
[16:24] <Joan> Or write a MediaWiki extension that has equivalent functionality.
[16:24] <KimiNewt> That's almost as bad as windows movie maker
[16:24] <Joan> I don't understand writing a separate app.
[16:24] <Qcoder00> Ah KimiNewt
[16:25] <KimiNewt> Qcoder00!
[16:25] <Joan> A separate desktop app, that is.
[16:25] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:  See query
[16:25] <petan> I do
[16:25] <petan> separate application is always faster
[16:25] <KimiNewt> what querty
[16:25] <KimiNewt> query
[16:25] <KimiNewt> dammit okay
[16:25] <petan> you can't do threaded web extension
[16:25] <Maryana> i don't care what it's written in, as long as it doesn't have the most reverts per hour leaderboard thingy
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[16:26] <petan> Maryana: which tool has most reverts now? twinkle or huggle?
[16:26] <Maryana> huggle
[16:26] <petan> wow
�06[16:26] * kim__ doesn't get this fast or slow discussion, since your limiting factor is always going to be the network :-)
[16:26] <Maryana> at the top
[16:27] <petan> kim__: that's not true
[16:27] <petan> network isn't everything in huggle
[16:27] <Maryana> i'm not sure if it's actually a leaderboard per se, but it definitely keeps track of how many reverts you're doing at the top, in a leaderboard-like manner...
[16:27] <petan> parsing pages takes a lot of time too, it eats a lot of cpu
[16:27] <kim__> Oh fair enough
[16:28] <petan> heh
[16:28] <kim__> I guess I'd have to look at the code
[16:28] <petan> btw I just compiled cluebot
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[16:28] <petan> so it's getting to be started in few minutes
[16:28] <kim__> petan, awesome
[16:28] <kim__> except the DB is gone, right?
[16:28] <petan> I don't think so
[16:28] <petan> we'll see
[16:28] <kim__> there's still an old backup of the db?
[16:29] <petan> i don't know
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[16:29] <kim__> ok
[16:29] <petan> methecooldude: is the guy
[16:29] <Maryana> petan: so are you working with ryan lane on labs now?
[16:29] <petan> yes
[16:29] <petan> :)
[16:29] <Maryana> awesome :)
[16:29] <petan> it's
[16:29] <petan> cool
[16:29] <petan> I already moved huggle test wiki there
[16:30] <petan> and all bots
[16:30] <petan> cluebot is there too
[16:30] <BarkingFish> derp: do you know if any of Canada's english language media is reporting on that vehicle? I searched cbc.ca but couldn't find anything, google's not showing a lot either, only the french language material atm
�08[16:30] <derp> BarkingFish, same here.
[16:30] <Qcoder00> That's not unexpected for Montreal
�08[16:30] <derp> i checked.
[16:30] <Qcoder00> Montreal is Qubec
�08[16:30] <derp> http://www.montrealgazette.com/
[16:31] <kim__> I'm still not sure what's up with Rich Smith. but good to hear the bot is coming back :-)
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[16:32] <petan> should I do ./cluebot? :P
[16:32] <petan> heh
[16:32] <petan> I will wait for him, it's his bot :P
[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> So
�08[16:32] <derp> petan, Huggle on Adobe Air?
[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> Is Cluebot up?
[16:32] <petan> no
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[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> Why?
[16:32] <petan> it's waiting for rich to fire it :)
[16:32] <petan> I just compiled it now
[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> I thought it was due to be up.
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[16:32] <petan> methecooldude: everyone is waiting :D
[16:33] <Steven_Zhang> Still hasnt paid?
[16:33] <Steven_Zhang> methecooldude: Ya know...
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[16:33] <petan> Steven_Zhang: now has wmf hosting
[16:33] <KimiNewt> Qcoder00 - do you watch Community?
[16:33] <Steven_Zhang> Oh, goo.
�08[16:33] <derp> THis just in too!
[16:33] <Steven_Zhang> Good.
[16:33] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:  What is Community?
[16:33] <KimiNewt> american sitcom
�08[16:33] <derp> The main federal building in downtown Montreal has been evactuated.
�08[16:33] <derp> Complexe Guy-Favreau
[16:33] <methecooldude> ./cluebotng: error while loading shared libraries: libiconv.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[16:34] <petan> yay :)
[16:34] <petan> second
[16:34] <Qcoder00> Derp: Not seeing anything on BBC yet
�08[16:34] <derp> suspicious envelope... Security in that building has put it on lockdown
[16:35] <ZT> derp what makes an envelope (of all things) suspicious?
�08[16:35] <derp> ZT, most often, powder
[16:36] <kim__> because there's a powder envelope in a car?
[16:36] <kim__> ;-)
�08[16:36] <derp> ;)
[16:37] <kim__> I hope they know what they're doing
[16:37] <kim__> methecooldude, eh? I thought it was being compiled? Shouldn't that have been a compile time error?
�06[16:37] * kim__ scratches head
�08[16:38] * derp wonders about Huggle in Adobe Air
�06[16:39] * kim__ scratches head
[16:39] <Logan_> derp: Air is kind of dying.
�06[16:39] * Queen huggles derp
[16:39] <KimiNewt> Air is dying?
[16:39] <Logan_> I believe they're killing development of it for Linux. Not so great of a cross-platform, uh, platform anymore.
[16:39] <KimiNewt> Are we just gonna use oxygen tanks from now on?
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�08[16:40] <derp> TOught so.
[16:40] <tommorris> Adobe AIR: because Flash is such a stable, reliable piece of software in the browser, let's use it for building desktop apps.
�08[16:40] * derp kicks off peter-laptop
�08[16:41] * derp huggles quanticle
[16:41] <peter-laptop> Ow
�08[16:41] * derp huggles Queen
[16:41] <Logan_> tommorris: I see what you did there.
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[16:42] <tommorris> Logan_: I'm truly a master of satire.
�06[16:42] * tommorris is also a master baiter.
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[16:44] <kim__> tommorris, but, most importantly, you're a master tommorris
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[16:44] <kim__> no one is as good at being a tommorris as you are ;-)
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[16:45] <tommorris> kim__: I dunno. Saturday Night Live did a pretty compelling Sarah Palin.
[16:46] <kim__> better than the original?
[16:46] <kim__> ;-)\
�06[16:46] * kim__ wonders if we could ask SNL to do a tommorris, that'd be awesome
[16:46] <kim__> :-P
[16:46] <Qcoder00> Has any mainstream US comedy ever spoofed Jimbo?
[16:46] <BarkingFish> you know what I'd like to see... Jimbo on Who's line...
[16:47] <kim__> An online encyclopedia just fundamentally isn't funny ^^;;
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[16:48] <BarkingFish> no, but maybe Jimbo is
[16:48] <Jeske_Merensky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Bawbag
�06[16:48] * Jeske_Merensky facepaws
[16:48] <BarkingFish> as Stephen walling says, "never turn your back on someone who writes general interest educational material for fun..."
[16:49] <Jeske_Merensky> *RAEG*
�06[16:49] * Jeske_Merensky kills Fluttershy-En
[16:49] <StevenW> Heh. Yes.
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[16:50] <kim__> And Jeske_Merensky immediately provides a case in point
[16:51] <Jeske_Merensky> kim__) Someone linked that in #softpaws on furnet.
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[16:51] <kim__> Jeske_Merensky, Do I want to know what you were doing there?
�06[16:51] * kim__ hides
[16:51] <Jeske_Merensky> kim__) #softpaws is a clean channel.
[16:52] <kim__> IDWTKT
[16:52] <kim__> dangit, why isn't there a proper abbreviation for that
[16:52] <kim__> IDNWTKT?
�06[16:52] * kim__ gives up
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[16:53] <kim__> anyway, the case in point was that "never turn your back on someone who writes general interest educational material for fun...". And right away, Fluttershy-EN gets killed
[16:53] <Fluttershy-EN> .
[16:53] <Jeske_Merensky> Fluttershy's a pony. Acceptable target.
[16:53] <kim__> Jokes aren't funny when you explain them :-P
[16:53] <petan> methecooldude: got it
[16:55] <kim__> Jeske_Merensky, goodness :-P
[16:56] <Jeske_Merensky> What?
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[16:57] <kim__> dangit, and now you've got me looking up fluttershy on youtube too... what did you do to me? :-P http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=DLTZctTG6cE    <softly>yay</softly>
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[16:57] <Jeske_Merensky> *RAEG*
�06[16:57] * Jeske_Merensky kills kim__
[16:58] <kim__> Get in line. :-P
[16:58] <BarkingFish> Jeske_Merensky: Yeah, that's right! There are others waiting for that privilege!
[16:58] <BarkingFish> You can have the leftovers :P
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�08[17:03] <derp> yay
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�08[17:03] <derp> 3ds movie is done
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[17:10] <tommorris> StevenW: just been looking at Wikimedia Labs. wondering who would be a good person to talk to about a Signpost interview about Labs, if the launch is imminent
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[17:11] <tommorris> petan: ^^
[17:11] <StevenW> I don't think launch is imminent per se
[17:11] <petan> hey
[17:11] <SteveMobile> Ya know, Telstra and their laggy internet can kiss my ass
[17:11] <StevenW> Petan is good. But Ryan Lane is your man on the WMF side.
[17:11] <tommorris> StevenW: cool
[17:11] <SteveMobile> I have three bars....
[17:11] <petan> tommorris: I will be happy to answer :) at least I would ask Ryan
[17:12] <petan> Ryan is pretty busy, we are in #wikimedia-labs
[17:12] <tommorris> okay, if it's not imminent, then it's not urgent to interview, but it might be nice sometime soon to give wikipedians and non-mediawiki devs a heads up
[17:13] <tommorris> I'm wondering if toolserver devs, those of us who just noodle around with project-specific tools and bots etc. will be able to use Labs?
[17:13] <petan> hm... we just discussed that we probably start a main site where would be more info about that all
[17:13] <petan> tommorris: yes
[17:13] <petan> toolserver tool and bots devs will be definitely able to use it
[17:14] <tommorris> petan: awesome
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[17:14] <petan> tommorris: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Projects/Wikimedia_Labs
[17:14] <Demiurge1000> Can an admin pm me please? some revisions possibly needing revdel
[17:14] <petan> that's not much but better than nothing :)
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[17:15] <tommorris> petan: I was reading https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub#Wikimedia_Labs
[17:15] <petan> ah, that's not much :)
[17:15] <petan> I think there is a link
[17:15] <Demiurge1000> thanks, I have an admin :)
[17:16] <Maryana> https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[17:16] <Maryana> unicorn!!
[17:16] <Maryana> :D
[17:16] <tommorris> Indeed, I saw the unicorn logo a few weeks ago at the Brighton Hackathon
[17:16] <petan> right, that definitely doesn't contain info for regular people :)
[17:16] <tommorris> there were a few interesting things I gleaned from it
[17:16] <petan> but you could probably find also something there
[17:16] <tommorris> namely, an Amazon EC2 like architecture (all the m1.small etc.)
[17:16] <tommorris> and the frequent mention of Git
[17:16] <tommorris> which is cool.
[17:17] <petan> hm, right whole thing is built on kvm
[17:17] <petan> using OpenStack manager which is managed over mediawiki
[17:18] <tommorris> so, I've been working on writing a nice Python library for toolserver devs to make it easier to write queries for the database
[17:18] <tommorris> (because, as Barbie may have once said, SQL is hard)
[17:19] <tommorris> and also because if I'm particularly tired and someone like Ironholds asks me to look something up in the database, I'd rather write a load of Python than write a load of SQL.
[17:19] <petan> that could be definitely used on labs too
[17:19] <tommorris> it'd be nice to make it dramatically easy to build custom queries, reports and lower the barrier for writing weird niche tools for the communities
[17:20] <petan> hey tommorris if you wanted to know anything else, go ahead :)
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[17:20] <petan> most important is that labs would be divided to test labs for devs and tools labs which would be rather similar to toolserver (bots will be there)
[17:21] <tommorris> no, I was slightly unclear when I first heard about it whether it was just for people working on MediaWiki or whether the Wikimedia projects could use it like they do with toolserver
[17:21] <tommorris> so, yeah, that question has been answered
[17:21] <petan> ah, ok :)
[17:21] <tommorris> I'll think of a few more and pester either you or Ryan with them sometime and maybe put it in Signpost
[17:21] <petan> ok
[17:21] <petan> I will be happy to answer that ;)
[17:22] <tommorris> although I may be treading on Tech Report toes by doing so, I'd love to try and get more interviews with tech folk
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[17:22] <RadioKirk> hello all!
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[17:23] <Queen> Hi!
[17:23] <RadioKirk> !admin Locked out of accout!
[17:23] <Earwig> reset your password?
[17:23] <Jeske_Merensky> What's your username?
[17:23] <Gfoley4> We can't help you with that
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[17:23] <RadioKirk> hgukeopsg'v;onjd.
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[17:23] <RadioKirk> Sorry cat walked over keyboard
[17:24] <Jeske_Merensky> Not buying that
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[17:24] <Jeske_Merensky> The cat would not have put he fullstop at the end.
[17:24] <Snowolf> It's a civilized cat.
[17:24] <RadioKirk> the fullstop was when the cat too a poooup on the keybord
[17:24] <Jeske_Merensky> !op
[17:25] <Logan_> Hey.
[17:25] <RadioKirk> brb going to clean keyboard with gasoline
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�08[17:25] <derp> hey RadioKirk, ok!
�08[17:25] <derp> need some hyrdogen
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[17:25] <Gfoley4> Logan y u no help clean keyboard?
[17:25] <Fluttershy-EN> hey jeske, http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/12/ponies-make-9th-place-on-times-top.html
[17:26] <Fluttershy-EN> u mad?
[17:26] <Jeske_Merensky> *RAEG*
[17:26] <Fluttershy-EN> *kills Jeske*
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[17:26] <Fluttershy-EN> late.
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[17:27] <Earwig> Fluttershy-EN: are those... hippos?
[17:28] <Ceradon> ?join #wikimedia-commons
[17:28] <Gfoley4> no thanks
[17:28] <Gfoley4> thanks for asking though!
[17:29] <Gfoley4> :)
[17:29] <Gfoley4> :P
[17:29] <Fluttershy-EN> i have no idea
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[17:32] <juancarlos> Fluff, stumbleupon recommended Watson to me.
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�08[17:32] <derp> juancarlos, flff ain't here
�08[17:32] <derp> BarkingFish, update
[17:32] <juancarlos> Her although is
[17:32] <juancarlos> Hi
[17:33] <juancarlos> Alt *
�08[17:33] <derp> it's a truck bed.
�08[17:33] <derp> This just in, a specialized team is enroute to the place, ie for radioactive
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[17:37] <BarkingFish> derp: can u post that in #openglobe pls? i'm on phone
[17:37] <ClueBot_Amnesiac> Tannerbaum: who are you? where am I?
[17:37] <Tannerbaum> I don't know!
[17:37] <ClueBot_Amnesiac> me neither
[17:37] <Tannerbaum> hey tashir
[17:38] <ClueBot_Amnesiac> :)
[17:38] <Alpha_Quadrant> ClueBot_Amnesiac: don't you have edits to review?
[17:38] <ClueBot_Amnesiac> I just stare at them. I know some of them are probably inappropriate, but which ones?!?
[17:39] <Alpha_Quadrant> ClueBot_Amnesiac: You have been down since the 28th http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/ClueBot_NG&action=view
[17:39] <juancarlos569856> More nonsense.
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[17:40] <Logan_> Somebody should put a gravestone at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:66.31.142.174 .
[17:40] <juancarlos569856> Morbid
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[17:41] <tashir> I talked to Rich on Skype, he has ClueBot NG compiling on Wikimedia Labs, and it will probably be running soon, but the ISP wiped the database when they suspended the account, apparently because it was entirely in RAP
[17:41] <tashir> in RAM*
[17:41] <Alpha_Quadrant> Logan_: no, then the vandal would be able to claim that they were responsible for taking out Cluebot NG
[17:41] <juancarlos> Omg wp:deny
[17:41] <tashir> at least money isn't a problem anymore, but the entire neural netowk that figures out false positives has to be re-trained
[17:41] <tashir> which is pretty bad
[17:42] <Logan_> Ouch.
[17:42] <Alpha_Quadrant> the entire neural network needs to get reworked?
[17:42] <Logan_> I hope that means it will be more conservative at first.
[17:43] <tashir> I don't see why the can't use all the previous false positive reviews to re-train it, but perhaps it would be best to ask after they have it running again
[17:43] <petan> tashir: it's compiled now it's waiting for someone to hit the button :)
[17:43] <petan> I don't want to be that person heh
[17:44] <tashir> have you seen the code, petan?
[17:44] <petan> yes
[17:44] <petan> I compiled it
[17:44] <Logan_> petan: has the false positive server been updated?
[17:44] <Logan_> that's key before deploying the bot
[17:44] <tashir> is there a reason why it doesn't write out a ram dump?
[17:44] <petan> I have no idea Logan I only helped getting it work on labs
[17:44] <petan> I don't know anything about cluebot I just helped methecooldude to compile it
[17:45] <tashir> I think it needs DamianZaremba, Rich didn't write any of it
[17:45] <petan> hm, but he is like right person to start it
[17:46] <tashir> he last edited on the 28th too
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[17:47] <tashir> petan: can you leave a note on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DamianZaremba with your contact info?
[17:48] <petan> hm, I think he is online in -labs
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[17:48] <petan> DamianZ
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[17:48] <petan> unfortunatelly he doesn't have access to cluster
[17:48] <tashir> oh good
[17:49] <petan> not yet
[17:49] <tashir> oh bad
[17:49] <petan> but I didn't talk with him
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[18:13] <tashir> Google Spreadsheets chart interface changed while I was working with it, in the middle of a tabbed dialog box interaction
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[18:14] <tashir> not complaining though
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[18:17] <StevenW> Kingpin13, you around?
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[18:20] <slon02> so is Wikipedia advertising here at last?
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[18:22] <kim__> ??
[18:22] <kim__> slon02, eh?
[18:23] <slon02> the research ad at the top of the pages now
[18:23] <slon02> doesn't look like a typical "Give us your money" type of ad
[18:23] <Alpha_Quadrant> slon02: only displays for logged in users
[18:24] <slon02> ah
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[18:36] <Kingpin13> StevenW, sort of, yeah.
[18:37] <StevenW> Just wanted to point you to new stuff at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject user warnings/Testing/SDPatrolBot]]
[18:37] <StevenW> We talked to our researcher friend today, and he gave us some preliminary notes based on the sample so far.
[18:38] <nprice> This kid is having some fun today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CakiXD
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[18:38] <Maryana> kingpin13: the data was a little bit wonky -- people who received the alt warning had way higher edit counts pre-warning
[18:38] <Night_o_Big_Wind> Severe doubt about an article. Ready to publish or shall I first do further research in the archives?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Night_of_the_Big_Wind/Workpage15
[18:39] <Maryana> did we do something funky with our template code?
[18:39] <Alpha_Quadrant> nprice: it looks like they are using an image they uploaded to commons
[18:39] <Kingpin13> Yeah, strange that, guess it just needs a larger sample to average out. Nope, don't think so, should just have been every other user.
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[18:40] <nprice> Alpha_Quadrant: they took a picture of themself, uploaded it to commons, and are putting it on a ton of famous peoples' articles
[18:40] <Alpha_Quadrant> nprice: you could nominate it for deletion. It is out of commons scope
[18:40] <Alpha_Quadrant> if you mention it is being used for vandalism, they might speedy it
[18:41] <Alpha_Quadrant> could even try #wikimedia-commons
[18:41] <Maryana> kingpin13: yeah, that's what staieou said (he's the one doing the data analysis)
[18:44] <nprice> Alpha_Quadrant: good idea
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[18:49] <nprice> wow two people are having a fight on my talk page now
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[18:50] <Demiurge1000> nprice: See if you can drag a third in, always helps :)
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[18:55] <nprice> oh i see what happened, one of them made some major changes to every number on a sports article without any sources, numbers weren't matching either, so i rollbacked it.  apparently he thinks those numbers are legit, but the user who's data he edited saw the rollback
[18:55] <nprice> so now somehow it belongs on my talk page :P
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[19:00] <kim__> <StevenW> :What score do you get with a personal, handwritten note?
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[19:00] <russavia> read this -- http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000705218
[19:00] <russavia> then watch this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo&feature=youtu.be
[19:00] <StevenW> Kim: 110%
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[19:02] <kim__> Hmm, I talked with a DEV in CVU at WCN, but what was his nick again?   <tries to recall>
[19:03] <kim__> Are you familiar with the concept of a "minimum required change" ?
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[19:03] <kim__> or strategic minimum changes, or etc (originating from the story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Eternity )
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[19:04] <kim__> Obviously we don't have time machines, but we can still predict future behaviour
[19:04] <kim__> and thus can still come  up with a minimum change (albeit not quite as accurately as in science fiction :-P)
[19:04] <tgeairn> !admin requesting assistance at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:71.235.163.70
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[19:05] <kim__> AFAICT, the minimum change to improve editor retention and article growth is to overhaul CVU
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[19:05] <kim__> and the minimum change required for CVU is to remove the (impression of) time pressure from the CVU folks
[19:05] <kim__> Ah shoot, he left
[19:05] <kim__> :-/
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[19:07] <Fluttershy-EN> wow, I saw an ad on wikipedia. Highly doubt anyone is not doing it for the free PayPal cash, ey?
[19:07] <SigmaWP> OK
[19:08] <zscout370> I saw the research banner thinggie on the top; what exactly is that for?
[19:08] <kim__> KO
[19:08] <SigmaWP> jorm: Why the HELL did you get replaced with a "quick interactive online experiment"??
[19:08] <kim__> only for logged in
[19:08] <jorm> what?
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[19:08] <jorm> oh. the harvard banner thing?
[19:08] <SigmaWP> StevenW: Why replace the banners?
[19:08] <Sp33dyphil> hi SigmaWP
[19:08] <SigmaWP> Yep
[19:08] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
[19:08] <kim__> Participants in this study are compensated for their time: at the end of this study, you will receive a sum of money ranging from $10 (your fixed participation fee) to $50. The amount of your final earnings will depend on the decisions that you will make and the decisions made by other participants in this study.
[19:08] <StevenW> SigmaWP: those are only for a subset of logged in editors
[19:08] <kim__> Ok, NotAcceptable
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[19:09] <jorm> i am barely aware of this thing.
[19:10] <StevenW> DarTar is the man to talk if you want to.
[19:10] <StevenW> about the harvard/science po banner
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[19:10] <kim__> Ok, this is all very nice
[19:10] <kim__> but not acceptable for WP
[19:10] <kim__> we should not be advertising this
[19:11] <SigmaWP> Yep
[19:11] <kim__> I don't have a paypal either, I just faked a mail to read through a bit further
[19:11] <kim__> this is not WP related
[19:11] <kim__> not directly anyway
[19:11] <Peter-C> Changing one word still makes it a copyvio... right?
[19:12] <StevenW> yes
[19:12] <kim__> I like berkman, they're nice people, but this isn't what we're here for
[19:12] <Peter-C> Thought so...
[19:12] <kim__> Peter-C, usually
[19:12] <mabdul|ping> can admin have a look at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#www.infibeam.com please?
[19:12] <kim__> This is a standard game theory experiment
[19:12] <kim__> I understand they may wish to recruit WP-ers
[19:12] <kim__> still, not for us
[19:12] <kim__> not for wp
[19:13] <kim__> Why is the wikimedia research committee supporting this?
[19:14] <StevenW> Relevant kim: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/08/experiment-decision-making/
[19:14] <kim__> rehi StevenW
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[19:16] <Sp33dyphil> I've got a question
[19:16] <Joan> Okay.
[19:16] <LauraHale> Ask
[19:17] <Sp33dyphil> Does the title of a collection of essays and lectures have to be italicised?
[19:17] <LauraHale> No
[19:17] <Maryana> yes... in college, anyway
[19:17] <Maryana> heh
[19:17] <Sp33dyphil> Thank you
[19:17] <Sp33dyphil> hi Maryana
[19:18] <tgeairn> !admin requesting assistance at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:71.235.163.70
[19:18] <Maryana> hi sp33dyphil :)
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[19:18] <StevenW> Maryana: first rule of Wikipedia MoS = it makes no sense compared to real world style guides.
[19:18] <Sp33dyphil> How do you do?
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[19:18] <Maryana> stevenw, yeah, so i gather...
[19:19] <Peter-C> Copying and pasting various parts from a web page is also a copy vio... right?
[19:19] <Sp33dyphil> I believe so, yeah
[19:19] <Joan> Generally.
[19:19] <LauraHale> Yes.
[19:19] <Peter-C> Yes, thought so...
[19:19] <Sp33dyphil> not when the text comes from a US government source
[19:19] <LauraHale> If the text is licensed the same way, there is a template that can be put in that says it was remixed
[19:19] <Tannerbaum> http://notalwaysright.com/my-head-megahertz/15147 did Win98 really support 512 mb of ram?
[19:20] <mabdul|ping> Peter-C: yes
[19:20] <LauraHale> So you can copy paste in that instance but the license needs to be there.
[19:20] <mabdul|ping> CC-BY-SA or GFDL
[19:20] <mabdul|ping> no copyright sign
[19:20] <Maryana> speaking of copyright stuff, anybody with image expertise want to take a look at this for me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_user_warnings/Testing/Draft_space/ImageTaggingBot
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[19:20] <Maryana> we're going to test some alternate warnings with ImageTaggingBot
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[19:21] <Maryana> trying to make them simpler/shorter
[19:21] <Maryana> aww shucks
[19:21] <Maryana> :)
[19:21] <SigmaWP> :)
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[19:21] <Tannerbaum> :)
[19:21] <Logan_> >:-(
[19:22] <Sp33dyphil> Mwahahaha!
[19:22] <TParis> Is the survey thing legit?
[19:22] <Logan_> Yes.
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[19:22] <kigihpe> Why hasn't Killiondude/JuanCarlos been around lately?
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[19:22] <Malinaccier> Is it targeted to random users only?
[19:22] <Joan> kigihpe: He's around somehwat.
[19:23] <Joan> somewhat
[19:23] <SigmaWP> Malinaccier: Supposedly only a select subset of users
[19:23] <Malinaccier> Well it was easy to manipulate :)
[19:23] <Logan_> Malinaccier: I believe it's for all logged-in users.
[19:23] <Demiurge1000> SigmaWP: try speedy instead
[19:23] <Malinaccier> and lots of fun to take in general
[19:24] <kigihpe> but why nto as much as he used to be?
[19:24] <Malinaccier> Logan_: I checked it on another browser to see with my public acct and it was not available
[19:24] <Logan_> Hmm, odd.
[19:24] <zscout370> well, I did that banner thingie and came out with almost 25 bucks
[19:25] <StevenW> I think it uses a MediaWiki API call to only appear to those who have the desired edit count by the researchers
[19:25] <Malinaccier> I made 22 extra bucks in one section, but it didn't pick it
[19:26] <zscout370> so there is food money for Taco Bell!
[19:26] <zscout370> or textbooks
[19:26] <Malinaccier> Lol
[19:26] <Malinaccier> Get taco bell :p
[19:27] <zscout370> but I did get a bunch of Pepsis and Monsters from a school gift card
[19:27] <kigihpe> Logan_: Why do I keep thinking of you as an old man with black-framed glasses on?
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[19:27] <SigmaWP> kigihpe: You shouldn't
[19:27] <SigmaWP> In fact, he's the complete opposite of "old"
[19:28] <Logan_> kigihpe: I wish I were that cool.
[19:28] <SigmaWP> He's also the complete opposite of "man"
[19:28] <kigihpe> how old is logan then?
[19:28] <StevenW> SigmaWP: Dog?
[19:28] <SigmaWP> 12, IIRC
[19:28] <StevenW> ;)
[19:28] <SigmaWP> :P
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[19:28] <Logan_> SigmaWP: No.
[19:28] <StevenW> On the Wikipedia, no one knows you're a dog.
[19:29] <Maryana> black-framed glasses? y'all are thinking of stevenw :)
[19:29] <Maryana> ... who is also 12.
[19:29] <mabdul|ping> StevenW: you missed the brackets ;=)
[19:29] <StevenW> heh
[19:29] <mabdul|ping> one of my ~3k watchlisted articles
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[19:30] <mabdul|ping> I have to clean up the list
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[19:30] <Logan_> A watchlist becomes a bit pointless at that number of articles. You could just look at Special:RecentChanges. :P
[19:30] <kigihpe> I thought of him as an old man with good memory because I remember how logan remembered me pretty well.
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[19:31] <Logan_> I think you need some sleep.
[19:31] <mabdul|ping> Logan_: nah, I do watchlist all new users I create and all afc submiussions. somewhen I will remove them. I already did a cleanup so that i can now edit the list again in my browser without a crash (it was having about 6k entires)
[19:31] <Peter-C> Homosexual behavior has been observed among bats; recently, in particular, the fruit bat.
[19:32] <Peter-C> Who the fuck does studies on how bats have sex
[19:32] <IP70_179_165_67> i digress: I guess gfoley remembers me better than you, and killion remembers me best
[19:32] <Peter-C> let alone "observe" it
[19:32] <Peter-C> what pedophiles....
[19:32] <IP70_179_165_67> homomologists? or mammalogists?
[19:32] <Logan_> IP70_179_165_67: Wait a second.
[19:32] <jeremyb> Peter-C: http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2011/12/color-coded_map_of_new_jersey.html
[19:32] <Peter-C> seen it :P
[19:33] <Peter-C> (it is SO true)
[19:33] <kim_bruning> StevenW, DarTar is overloaded, (s)he got 30 questions in 20 minutes
[19:34] <Logan_> IP70_179_165_67: Tyw7?
[19:34] <Logan_> Wait, no.
[19:34] <Earwig> Tyw7!?
[19:34] <IP70_179_165_67> what's a tyw7?
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[19:34] <kim_bruning> StevenW, can we make the banner link to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Dynamics_of_Online_Interactions_and_Behavior   (or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Dynamics_of_Online_Interactions_and_Behavior ). I suspect we need to CentralizeDiscussion ASAP
�06[19:35] * Logan_ shrugs.
[19:35] <StevenW> I dunno.
[19:35] <StevenW> TBH I have tried to keep my hands off it for months.
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[19:37] <IP70_179_165_67> Gfoley4: Anything ring a bell?
[19:37] <SigmaWP> [16:04]	nickserv	Last failed attempt from: SigmaWP!~anon@206.125.65.80 on Dec 08 10:00:15 2011.
[19:37] <SigmaWP> :S
[19:37] <kim_bruning> StevenW, how come?
[19:37] <Gfoley4> IP70_179_165_67: your ip is 70.168.121.147, bud.
[19:38] <StevenW> It's a big headache, that's why. It's why we asked for RCom volunteers to handle those kind of requests.
[19:38] <StevenW> They know better than me anyway.
[19:38] <kim_bruning> Whence the headache?
[19:38] <IP70_179_165_67> well Gfoley4 I'm the same kid who had this IP until late last summer
[19:39] <IP70_179_165_67> and my mask's id was 46b3a543
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[19:39] <kim_bruning> who else has been poking DarTar? ;-)
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[19:40] <kim_bruning> I found a bunch of answers to some of the questions, and can point you to a central discussion
[19:40] <Gfoley4> I know who you are.
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[19:40] <Tannerbaum> I know where you live.
[19:41] <kim_bruning> StevenW, Ok, discussion 1 has lots of opposes :-)
[19:41] <kim_bruning> SRAG is failed...
[19:41] <StevenW> that was for a bot delivery of talk page invites
[19:41] <kim_bruning> Nicholas Turnbull is still around? WOW! :-)
[19:42] <kim_bruning> Oh sorry,
[19:42] <mabdul|ping> can admin have a look at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#www.infibeam.com please?
[19:42] <kim_bruning> anyway, yeah, I'm just studying up :-)
[19:42] <mabdul|ping> i will post this request until somebody is looking after that!
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[19:43] <kim_bruning> StevenW, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Search_banner_Wikipedia_Research_Committee
[19:43] <kim_bruning> ut oh
[19:43] <IP70_179_165_67> Gfoley4: if you know who i am, post my fb profile.
[19:43] <Gfoley4> :|
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[19:44] <SigmaWP> I never knew there was Manhattan in Kansas
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[19:44] <IP70_179_165_67> SigmaWP: You're good. Our little apple is named after the big one.
[19:44] <mareklug> SigmaWP:  it's famous.  it's where Kansas State U. is.
[19:45] <IP70_179_165_67> A traveling game show - [[The Great Food Truck Race]] stopped there for a week. I went to 3 of their trucks
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[19:45] <StevenW> kim_bruning: passed on
[19:45] <IP70_179_165_67> or if Gfoley4 can hack and see my face through the webcam, he ought to post a screenshot of said face
[19:45] <kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DarTar&diff=prev&oldid=464860593
[19:46] <Gfoley4> shush
[19:46] <kim_bruning> StevenW, I cannot find consensus approval for this banner atm
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[19:47] <StevenW> you mean prior or currently?
[19:47] <kim_bruning> StevenW, Both. Am I looking in the wrong place?
[19:47] <kim_bruning> btw, the AN link on your talk page is broken :-)
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[19:48] <Tannerbaum> whoa
[19:48] <Tannerbaum> Logan_: Cool script bro
[19:49] <kim_bruning> StevenW, Sorry, the missing AN link is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SalimJah
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[19:50] <slon02> "The Wikimedia Foundation is not involved or affiliated with this study other than by reviewing its methods and hosting the banner for the purpose of subject recruitment."
[19:50] <slon02> I think it's a way for the WMF to get donations
[19:50] <kim_bruning> StevenW, Ok, I'm a fairly experienced wikipedian (I think), I spent 30 minutes looking, and I can't ascertain a positive consensus on this banner
[19:51] <SigmaWP> Logan_: Vector is for IPs.
[19:51] <kim_bruning> StevenW, I *think* I know what's supposed to be going on, and I *might* support it. But I'm missing essential information :-)
[19:51] <StevenW> kim: I answered some questions on IRC, but it's not really my thing.
[19:51] <StevenW> I don't have any control over it.
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[19:52] <kim_bruning> StevenW, right, so you're not providing info either, Dartar is not providing info either
[19:52] <kim_bruning> next step is to get the CentralNotice taken down then
[19:52] <kim_bruning> Give me one reason not to do that, and I'd love to do that :-)
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[19:53] <StevenW> okay, if you want to be a jerk about it and force me to answer your questions about a thing that is not my responsibility, then sure.
[19:53] <kim_bruning> But I'm searching and searching, and it's not coming together for me.
[19:53] <Prodego> kim_bruning: well there isn't a consensus about it
[19:53] <kim_bruning> StevenW, Not at all!
[19:53] <kim_bruning> StevenW, sorry if I sounded a bit frustrated there. If you don't know, then you don't
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[19:53] <Prodego> the research committee says so, and so it is
[19:54] <Prodego> kim_bruning: also #wikimedia-rcom, and #wikimedia-dev
[19:54] <kim_bruning> Prodego, local consensus does not override the community :-)
[19:54] <Prodego> pseudo foundation committees can try to though
[19:55] <kim_bruning> it looks like a nice survey. I'm just not getting any data on why it is relevant to wikipedia
[19:55] <Prodego> well did you read their blog?
[19:55] <Prodego> http://blog.wikimedia.org/
[19:55] <kim_bruning> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/08/experiment-decision-making/  <- this one?
[19:55] <kim_bruning> yes
[19:55] <kim_bruning> The project has been reviewed by the Wikimedia Research Committee and extensively discussed on the English Wikipedia Administrators’ noticeboard. T
[19:55] <Prodego> well I don't see how it is relevent either
[19:56] <Prodego> and that extensively discussed part is a lie
[19:56] <kim_bruning> The AN provided a negative advice, afaict
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[19:56] <Prodego> yes
[19:56] <kim_bruning> so end of day, we are working with a negative advice
[19:56] <kim_bruning> This could easily be rectified yet
[19:58] <kim_bruning> StevenW, once again, sorry if it sounded like I was leaning on you. (in retrospect, if I read back, thats what it might have sounded like)
[19:58] <StevenW> No worries.
[19:58] <StevenW> I understand your frustration about it.
[19:58] <StevenW> As you can see from the AN thread, it's been a long discussion between then and now over this.
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[20:00] <kim_bruning> re
[20:00] <kim_bruning> Paraphrasing self <maffia boss>"It's a nice survey, shame if something were to happen to it"</maffia boss>
[20:01] <kim_bruning> I didn't mean to sound like that *^_^*
�06[20:02] * kim_bruning likes berkman though, They're cool. I visited with J et al during WM Boston. 
[20:04] <Qcoder00> kim_bruning:  Quick question
[20:04] <kim_bruning> Quick Answer?
[20:04] <Qcoder00> kim_bruning:  Do you know what a policy_trailer is?
[20:05] <kim_bruning> Hmm, no, never heard of the term?
[20:05] <Qcoder00> I've found reference to it whn looking at some stuff on old cinema ads,
[20:05] <Qcoder00> Wikipedia has no article though
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[20:07] <Qcoder00> kim_bruning: US example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrhse1rtfVA&feature=related
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[20:09] <SigmaWP> MasterofPuppets: Fix your internet
[20:09] <MasterofPuppets> SigmaWP: ?
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[20:13] <SigmaWP> Gfoley4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:211.30.150.155 Fry ém
[20:13] <SigmaWP> Oh, I left the international keyboard on
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[20:14] <Gfoley4> seems ok enough
[20:14] <Gfoley4> just speaking their opinion
[20:15] <SigmaWP> He's calling 1.5k users control freaks and snivelling bitches
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[20:15] <Peter-C> Good for him
[20:15] <Peter-C> Blocking him would pour gas on a fire
[20:16] <Peter-C> Do you want another Jessica?
[20:16] <Qcoder00> kim_bruning:  ?
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[20:18] <Gfoley4> removed by someone else
[20:18] <Peter-C> They also seem to have quit on their own
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[20:19] <SigmaWP> Just reverted the bastard
[20:19] <kim_bruning> Qcoder00, Ok, looking
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[20:20] <kim_bruning> Qcoder00, Heh, pretty!
[20:21] <Qcoder00> YouTube also has some 1970's versions
[20:21] <Peter-C> Who is that user?
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[20:22] <SigmaWP> Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
[20:22] <Sp33dyphil> is anyone experiecing techinical difficulties?
[20:22] <Maryana> ack! anybody else getting a 404 on english wp right now?
[20:22] <SigmaWP> GARFUCKI+TYGYYYY
�06[20:22] * Peter-C feeds Hungry
[20:22] <Maryana> ha
[20:22] <kim_bruning> wikidown?
[20:22] <Maryana> we are all experiencing technical difficulties
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[20:22] <Peter-C> No 404 for me
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[20:22] <Logan_> I'm not.
[20:22] <Peter-C> ...
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[20:22] <SigmaWP> Peter-C: You suck
[20:23] <kim_bruning> when hitting edit, anyway
[20:23] <Maryana> or preview
[20:23] <Logan_> Oh, I see.
[20:23] <Snowolf> SigmaWP: it's not flat out down, some stuff is down for me, some stuff works flawlessly
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[20:23] <Sp33dyphil> AH! STOP IT
[20:23] <SigmaWP> Snowolf: Better?
[20:23] <Peter-C> ^
[20:23] <SigmaWP> Wait, where's the voting link?
�06[20:23] * Peter-C pets Snowolf
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[20:23] <Logan_> Sp33dyphil: Cálmate.
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[20:23] <Snowolf> SigmaWP: thanks, otherwise we'll get somebody complaining it's up for them :D
[20:23] <waywardhorizons> Something going on with the wiki?
[20:24] <Sp33dyphil> ahh, works now
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�03[20:24] * SigmaWP changes topic to 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http://bit.ly/WPAC20�'
[20:24] <Maryana> looks like it's back up and running
[20:24] <Tannerbaum> localhost: You fail bro
�03[20:24] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Logan_
�03[20:24] * Logan_ sets mode: +t
�03[20:24] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Logan_
[20:24] <Tannerbaum> i mean
[20:24] <Tannerbaum> Logan_
[20:24] <Tannerbaum> localhost: you're cool
[20:24] <Logan_> Tannerbaum: <3
[20:24] <SigmaWP> Oh, it's just 11
[20:24] <Tannerbaum> Logan_: <3 bro
[20:24] <Fluttershy-EN> A database error has occurred. We apologise for any inconvenience this might have caused. The most likely cause of this problem is a search or other operation that took too long. Possible reasons include:
[20:24] <Fluttershy-EN> A search where all words are in quotes. Try searching without the quotes initially or add a few more words outside the quotes to restrict the search;
[20:24] <Fluttershy-EN> An exceptionally large personal watchlist (probably over 10,000 items); or
[20:24] <Fluttershy-EN> Exceptionally heavy load on the database servers.
[20:24] <SigmaWP> Logan_: Well done
[20:24] <Logan_> Fluttershy-EN: Don't do that, please.
[20:24] <SigmaWP> You locked the topic with a bad link :D
[20:24] <russavia> probably bell pottinger
[20:25] <Logan_> SigmaWP: I believe that you fixed it.
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[20:25] <SigmaWP> I believe that you should check.
[20:25] <Olipro> Status: Lumpy
�15[20:25] * StevenW (~swalling@wikimedia/steven-walling) Quit
�03[20:25] * waywardhorizons is now known as waywardhorizon
[20:25] <Hungry> Logan: I don't know why, but your nick makes me think of poo.
�03[20:25] * waywardhorizon is now known as waywardhorizons
[20:25] <Logan_> Hungry: Not an old man with black-framed glasses?
[20:25] <Logan_> Interesting.
�06[20:26] * SigmaWP is hungry
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[20:26] <SigmaWP> Mifter: Nice job warning that IP
[20:26] <Peter-C> Hello Mifter :)
�06[20:26] * SigmaWP high-fives
[20:26] <Olipro> well look at that, status.wikimedia.org is IPv6 enabled
[20:26] <Mifter> Hey everyone :)
[20:26] <Mifter> SigmaWP :P
[20:27] <waywardhorizons> yo yo yo
�06[20:27] * SigmaWP pokes Gfoley4
[20:27] <waywardhorizons> Mifter dawg G
[20:27] <eeekster> "Tagging article: Failed to save edit: The wiki is currently in read-only mode"
[20:27] <SigmaWP> Please change WPAC20 to WPAC11
[20:27] <Peter-C> HE'S GOING FOR THE PRESIDENT
[20:27] <Gfoley4> ?
�06[20:27] * Peter-C tackles SigmaWP
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[20:27] <SigmaWP> in the topic
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[20:28] <Gfoley4> yes, I see a topic
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[20:28] <Sp33dyphil> What the? "Warning: The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to save your edits right now."
[20:28] <SigmaWP> Thanks.
�06[20:28] * Sp33dyphil facepalms
[20:28] <Gfoley4> rather common
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[20:29] <slakr_> hmm
[20:29] <Mifter> well WP is completly down for me...  Thats why I popped in here :P  I haven't been on IRC in months ;)
�15[20:29] * Qcoder00 (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/qcoder00) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds�)
�06[20:29] * SigmaWP pat-pats Mifter :D
�03[20:29] * ChanServ sets mode: +o slakr_
�03[20:29] * slakr_ changes topic to 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Temporary issues (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http:/�'
�06[20:29] * Sp33dyphil pokes Demiurge1000
[20:29] <slakr_> oops
[20:29] <slakr_> too long
[20:29] <Gfoley4> bah
[20:29] <Demiurge1000> hey Sp33dyphil
[20:30] <Sp33dyphil> holidays' started :)
�03[20:30] * slakr_ changes topic to 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Spotty (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http://bit.ly/WP�'
[20:30] <Peter-C> OP BATTLE!
�06[20:30] * Peter-C hides
[20:30] <Tannerbaum> slakr_: twss :3
[20:30] <slakr_> did it still get cut off?
[20:30] <waywardhorizons> Bluh
[20:30] <SigmaWP> Yep
[20:30] <Tannerbaum> yes it did
[20:30] <slakr_> it might be bitchx
[20:30] <SigmaWP> Nope
[20:30] <Logan_> No, it's the freenode /topic limit.
[20:30] <slakr_> ok then
�06[20:30] * slakr_ revises
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[20:30] <Gfoley4> cut out "English Wikipedia:"
[20:31] <Mifter> It all made it now, for me at least
�03[20:31] * IShadowed_ (~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:31] <Logan_> Cut out the ArbCom elections, imo.
�03[20:31] * slakr_ changes topic to 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Spotty (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http://bit.ly/WPAC20�'
[20:32] <Logan_> That works, too.
[20:32] <slakr_> et voila.
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[20:32] <SigmaWP> slakr_: Not WPAC20
�03[20:32] * iFork (~eoins@cpe-024-163-067-169.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:32] <Alpha_Quadrant> slakr: I missed the "voting" on my first read through of your topic change
[20:32] <SigmaWP> It's WPAC11
[20:32] <slakr_> oh
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[20:33] <kim_bruning> Dangit, I can't edit enwp
[20:33] <Mifter> Am I the only one that huggle isn't working for?
[20:33] <Guest30119> DB in reado nly mode
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[20:33] <Logan_> kim_bruning, Mifter: The English Wikipedia is currently in read-only mode. It should be resolved temporarily.
[20:33] <Guest30119> I guess wait a few mins...
[20:33] <slakr_> that works.
�03[20:33] * Miss_Manzana (~Manzana@wikimedia/Miss-Manzana) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:33] <slakr_> I was trying to verify the link but it was timing out
[20:34] <kim_bruning> Logan_, shoot!
[20:34] <Fredddie> I blame the guy from the ads who has the long hair
[20:34] <Logan_> slakr_: Yeah, I tested it just before.
�06[20:34] * kim_bruning waits
�03[20:34] * tgeairn (32497bba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.73.123.186) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:34] <Miss_Manzana> Sorry to interrupt you, but I think there's a problem at #cvn-wp-en
[20:34] <kim_bruning> Miss_Manzana, what's the issue?
[20:34] <Gfoley4> it's read-only mode
[20:34] <Guest30119> I was just writing something about getting around time-outs....
[20:34] <slakr_> what kind of problem?
[20:34] <Alpha_Quadrant> who locked the database?
[20:35] <kim_bruning> Miss_Manzana, wp is readonly for a minute, could that be the cause?
[20:35] <Gfoley4> the devs, duh!
[20:35] <Mifter> It can be automatic for server stress or a dev
�03[20:35] * GorillaWarfare (~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:35] <Miss_Manzana> I really don't know the cause
�15[20:35] * Beria (~Beria@wikimedia/Beria) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds�)
[20:35] <russavia> zscout370 broke the wiki
[20:35] <russavia> it's always the guy hiding at the bottom
[20:35] <SigmaWP> GorillaWarfare: See what happens when you aren't on the banners?
[20:35] <SigmaWP> The wiki breaks.
[20:35] <GorillaWarfare> What happened?
[20:35] <SigmaWP> Now go threaten to kill someone unless you get back up.
�03[20:36] * TParis_ is now known as TParis
[20:36] <Alpha_Quadrant> GorillaWarfare: database is in read only mode
[20:36] <jeremyb> Logan_: resolved temporarily?! so, resolved and then broke again?
[20:36] <Alpha_Quadrant> no one can edit
[20:36] <GorillaWarfare> Baw :(
�06[20:36] * Peter-C tosses GorillaWarfare at the servers
[20:36] <Guest30119> Only uver editors can edit
[20:36] <Peter-C> WHY WON'T YOU WORK
[20:36] <Logan_> jeremyb: Well, that's how all technical issues work at Wikimedia. ;)
[20:36] <Guest30119> *uber
[20:36] <Alpha_Quadrant> on the positive side, we won't be getting any more AFC submissions
[20:36] <jeremyb> GorillaWarfare: a DB master box ran out of memory so it killed mysqld
�06[20:36] * GorillaWarfare bounces
[20:36] <Sp33dyphil> Does anyone have warning message s when editing?
[20:36] <Alpha_Quadrant> on the negative side, I can't review them
[20:36] <eeekster> I can't edit...just can't save the edits ;)
�06[20:36] * slakr_ is somewhatly annoyed because he was trying to make an edit to {{AN3}}
�15[20:36] * TParis (~TParis@cpe-70-114-38-28.satx.res.rr.com) Quit (Changing host�)
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�06[20:36] * Peter-C pleads the server kitties to have mercy
[20:36] <Guest30119> You are kiddign right?
[20:36] <Miss_Manzana> So w:en's database has a problem? :O
[20:37] <Logan_> Sp33dyphil: Read.
[20:37] <eeekster> Warning msg: The Wikipedia database is temporarily in read-only mode. This is probably due to routine maintenance; if so, you will be able to edit again within a few minutes. We apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused. You can continue editing in the text box below, but you may not be able to save. Before attempting to save, you may wish to copy-and-paste the text into a text file so you will have it to attempt to make the edit agai
[20:37] <jeremyb> GorillaWarfare: came back up and now disabling the read_only setting failed
[20:37] <Logan_> eeekster: No.
�06[20:37] * Peter-C sacrifices SigmaWP in panic
[20:37] <jeremyb> eeekster: yes, we know, thanks
[20:37] <Sp33dyphil> "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
[20:37] <eeekster> I meant "can edit"
[20:37] <jeremyb> Logan_: no?
�06[20:37] * SigmaWP summons his replacement
�03[20:37] * Imzadi1979 (~imzadi197@wikipedia/Imzadi1979) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:37] <Guest30119> I can send my new pen drive to the WMF....
�03[20:37] * SigmaWP is now known as EshWP
[20:37] <Logan_> eeekster: Oops, yes, I guess.
[20:37] <Logan_> Er.
[20:37] <Miss_Manzana> well, well...
[20:37] <Imzadi1979> did Jimbo spill his beer on the servers again?
[20:37] <Logan_> I need sleep.
[20:37] <kim_bruning> Logan_, So say we all!
[20:37] <Guest30119> I mean, I really need it, but if the Wikiepdia is dying due to amnesi, then...
[20:37] <Peter-C> Guest30119 - Won't work, we NEED TO SACRIFICE ALL THE SHEEP TO THE WIKI GODS!
[20:38] <slakr_> well I'm gonna leave the office and drive home
[20:38] <Miss_Manzana> I never thought my entrance would cause such a revolution xD
[20:38] <eeekster> it's in read only mode until somebody gets him another beer?
[20:38] <Peter-C> Men: gather your flocks!
�06[20:38] * slakr_ hands over the keys to Gfoley4
[20:38] <Logan_> slakr: Adieu.
�15[20:38] * slakr_ (koder@wikipedia/slakr) Quit (Quit: ....�)
[20:38] <Gfoley4> :D
[20:38] <Logan_> You probably don't want to do that.
[20:38] <Logan_> Oh well.
[20:38] <EshWP> http://enwp.org/Ʃ
[20:38] <kim_bruning> I need to get posting asap when wiki goes back online
[20:38] <EshWP> Not a sigma.
[20:38] <kim_bruning> before the ForestFire over that banner shows up
[20:38] <kim_bruning> are folks willing to help a bit?
[20:38] <jeremyb> kim_bruning: it's late there :)
[20:38] <Guest30119> Wassup Kim?
�03[20:39] * Sven_Manguard (~~Perhaps@wikipedia/Sven-Manguard) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:39] <Guest30119> 1:39 am in the UK
�15[20:39] * waywardhorizons (18c735c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.199.53.194) Quit (Quit: The best is yet to come.�)
[20:39] <jeremyb> who is Guest30119 ?
[20:39] <Guest30119> Me
[20:40] <Mifter> lol
[20:40] <kim_bruning> Waiting to post on ANI... database locked
[20:40] <EshWP> Wom wom wom
[20:40] <Mifter> Well after sitting in #wikimedia-tech it looks like we may have editing back soon :D
[20:40] <EshWP> Editing back
[20:40] <Miss_Manzana> Now the channel works again
[20:41] <Demiurge1000> Are you sure that editing is a good idea? We could just preserve the wiki in the state when it went down?
[20:41] <Guest30119> :)
[20:41] <Demiurge1000> as a record for posterity?
[20:41] <Mifter> Everything appears to be back up
�03[20:41] * Imzadi1979 (~imzadi197@wikipedia/Imzadi1979) has left #wikipedia-en
[20:41] <Guest30119> Edits are occuring
[20:41] <Fredddie> OH THANK FSM
[20:41] <Peter-C> The gods are pleased!
[20:41] <Peter-C> THE WORLD IS SAVED!
[20:41] <Fredddie> thought I may have to go outside or something
[20:41] <Peter-C> ^
[20:41] <EshWP> The coal balls have given us all mercy
�03[20:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Gfoley4
[20:41] <Peter-C> It was scarry shit we went through
[20:41] <Guest30119> Nope they just want to take Heracles to Arbcom
�03[20:42] * Gfoley4 changes topic to 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http://bit.ly/WPAC11�'
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[20:42] <Fluttershy-EN> Yay, I now have $30 dollars added to my paypal account because of that survey on Wikipedia.
�03[20:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Gfoley4
[20:42] <Fredddie> aww
Session Close: Thu Dec 08 20:43:05 2011

Session Start: Thu Dec 08 20:43:05 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�11[20:43] * Disconnected
Session Close: Thu Dec 08 22:06:03 2011

Session Start: Thu Dec 08 22:06:38 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[22:06] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[22:06] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks | ArbCom voting closes on 10 December: http://bit.ly/WPAC11�'
�03[22:06] * Set by Gfoley4!~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4 on Thu Dec 08 20:42:06
[22:06] <russavia> ouch oli lol
�03[22:06] * Maryana (~justdandy@adsl-75-18-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #wikipedia-en
[22:06] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[22:07] <tashir> if it's a keyword I won't be able to put it on the false positives report page either, will I, or is that exempt from filtering?
[22:07] <slakr> thing is
[22:07] <slakr> we need the full text of whatever you were trying to add/remove
[22:07] <slakr> on whatever article it was on
[22:07] <slakr> and under whatever account you were using
[22:07] <slakr> IRC typically isn't be best place to include all that info
[22:08] <slakr> or ideally the timestamp
[22:08] <slakr> and we could probably find it in the log
[22:09] <Gfoley4> you just link to the falsepos page
[22:09] <Gfoley4> there's a template
[22:09] <tashir> HallowsAG: well that worked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives/Reports#67.6.163.68
[22:10] <slakr> there we go
�06[22:10] * slakr goes to look
�15[22:10] * erikhaugen (~erikhauge@wikipedia/ErikHaugen) Quit (Quit: erikhaugen�)
[22:10] <slakr> heh
[22:11] <slakr> without even looking at the filter I bet it might be related to viagra
[22:11] <slakr> :P
[22:11] <Sp33dyphil> Steven Zhang: you poked me?
[22:11] <slakr> oh wow
[22:11] <slakr> it wasn't
[22:11] <{Soap}> ah, yeah, that filter
[22:11] <{Soap}> in my opinion, that filter should have been taken down long ago
[22:11] <{Soap}> but no
[22:12] <HallowsAG> slakr: How could that be related to viagra?
[22:12] <slakr> it isn't
[22:12] <slakr> my bad
[22:12] <tashir> it was!
[22:12] <tashir> it could be!
[22:12] <slakr> it was because of the nowikis
[22:12] <slakr> (basically)
[22:12] <PerfM> I'M LAGGING HCORE
�06[22:12] * PerfM RAGES
[22:12] <{Soap}> just remove the nowiki tags and use {{tl|editprotected}} insytead
[22:12] <{Soap}> itll work
[22:12] <slakr> yep.
[22:13] <tashir> before I put "the page you were trying to edit" I said [[Talk:Viagra]] because that's what http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard/9763 was about
[22:13] <slakr> I mean, realistically, you could also avoid the problem by registering an account and getting autoconfirmed
[22:13] <slakr> yeah ignore the viagra part I was wrong
[22:13] <slakr> it's completely unrelated to that
[22:13] <tashir> am I a doofus for assuming that anyone would actually want to add something useful about Viagra? Oh, okay.
[22:13] <tashir> it was the nowikis?
[22:13] <tashir> oh ok
�03[22:13] * Maid is now known as Queen
[22:13] <slakr> just replace "{{editprotected}}" with "{{tlx|editprotected}}" and it'll work
�08[22:14] * derp hugs slakr
[22:14] <tashir> slakr: thanks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Guamboynic worked
[22:14] <EshWP> Bye
[22:14] <slakr> no prob
�06[22:14] * slakr waves to derp
[22:14] <tashir> I should fill out a feedback dashboard about my dashboard feedback so you can have feedback in your dashboard
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�15[22:15] * EshWP (~coalball@wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma) Quit (Quit: Connecticut12�)
�15[22:16] * Seahorse (~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler) Quit (Quit: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Seahorseruler�)
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[22:19] <tashir> I'm a stalking victim so I'm not going to register. It was traumatic
[22:20] <tashir> why are IP's not allowed to <nowiki>? Does it say in the rule comments?
[22:21] <slakr> it's not that they're not allowed to
[22:21] <slakr> but given the content of your post, it was a combination of things
[22:21] <tashir> ok
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