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Session Start: Fri Nov 04 11:59:42 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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Session Start: Fri Nov 04 12:42:01 2011
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Session Start: Fri Nov 04 12:58:38 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[12:58] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
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�03[12:58] * Set by derp! on Sun Oct 23 21:29:19
[12:58] #wikipedia-en url is
�12[12:58] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
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[13:09] <Ironholds> evening, all
�08[13:10] <derp> afternoon, all
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[13:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I stab you derp
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�08[13:40] <derp> I stab you ToAruShiroiNeko.
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[14:09] <jubo2> man, we did some serious flat cleaning today and are now enjoying a few cold ones :D
[14:09] <jubo2> I really need to migrate my sites from old server to new.. I will do it, but not now
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�06[14:14] * Hurricanefan25 wonders why he always seem to warn the vandals that are most likely to vandalize his userpage
[14:14] <StevenW> heh
[14:14] <Hurricanefan25> Actually, only nine
[14:15] <Trusilver> You know... I don't even read vandalism on my userpage anymore. I just automatically revert.
[14:15] <Hurricanefan25> One vandalized me 5 times on my user and talk after I warned them on Hurricane Irene '11
[14:15] <Hurricanefan25> another moved my userpage :(
[14:15] <StevenW> Hurricanefan25: one of the interesting things we've been able to get out of [[WP:UWTEST]] so far is reducing the amount of retaliatory vandalism.
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[14:16] <Hurricanefan25> g2g
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[14:17] <Trusilver> Could have fooled me. I've gotten more than a hundred vandalism hits to my userpage in two months.
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[14:17] <Trusilver> Which I don't mind. Better them hitting my userpage than legitimate articles.
[14:17] <StevenW> True.
[14:18] <StevenW> Anyway, we haven't changed any default templates, so that was just test results.
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�08[14:25] <derp> Let's all unlock the main page :)
�08[14:26] <derp> So it's really free to edit :)
�06[14:27] * tommorris hasn't had any user page vandalism since an admin semi-pp'd his user page a while back. ;-)
[14:27] <StevenW> heh
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[14:29] <Trusilver> tommorris: I did that a long time ago until I realized that my userpage makes a good honeypot for vandals. They can hit that all they want and the average wikipedia reader will never see it. I intentially leave it unprotected now.
[14:29] <Ironholds> I think I've been vandalised maybe once
[14:30] <Ironholds> this means my vandalism:times asked to resign ratio is approximately equal ;p
[14:30] <Trusilver> heh
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[14:31] <Trusilver> I'm up to 377 vandalisms. About 375 of them are some variation of blanking my page and changing it to "I suck cocks lol".
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�08[14:32] <derp> Well,  do you?
[14:33] <tommorris> StevenW: do you know when the fundraising banners are starting?
[14:33] <WilliamH_UK> speaking of vandlism
[14:33] <StevenW> I don't remember the exact date.
[14:33] <Trusilver> derp: what happens in Vegas stays... I mean.
[14:33] <WilliamH_UK> I created this userbox
�08[14:33] <derp> Where are those templates located :P
[14:33] <WilliamH_UK>
[14:33] <WilliamH_UK> one IP did this
[14:33] <WilliamH_UK>
[14:33] <tommorris> ah okay, cos we're getting grumblings on OTRS from people saying "don't do the fundraising! give me advertising!"
[14:34] <StevenW> do we need a form letter?
[14:34] <StevenW> You might bring this up in the fundraising channel...
[14:34] <StevenW> #wikimedia-fundraising
[14:34] <StevenW> I think
[14:34] <tommorris> there already is one
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[14:34] <StevenW> Ah, gotcha
[14:34] <tommorris> en-Donations-Advertising
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[14:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> [2011-11-04, 18:40:16] <derp> I stab you ToAruShiroiNeko.
[14:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I counter-stab you
[14:37] <Pharos> no stabbing!
[14:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sutabbu sutabbu
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[14:38] <the_wub> tommorris: fundraising banners start for logged in users only on the 7th, then rolling out to anons the week after
[14:38] <the_wub> at least that's the plan
[14:38] <tommorris> ah okay
[14:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
[14:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rolling banners
[14:38] <Pharos> that's phase one of the plan
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[14:38] <tommorris> perhaps there has been some testing on. seems strange that there's fundraising OTRS tickets
[14:38] <Pharos> phase two involves mass mind control
�08[14:39] <derp> I counter-counter stab you, ToAruShiroiNeko
[14:39] <Pharos> I've seen the banners
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[14:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos I want to see OTRS tickets for UNSC resolutions
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[14:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they better get OTRS approved before proposing resolutions
[14:42] <Hurricanefan25> The power's gone out and been restored seven times in ten minutes here :/
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[14:42] <Pharos> I once saw an OTRS ticket from a woman complaining she had been illegally cloned
[14:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hurricanefan25 life is like a hurricane...
[14:43] <Hurricanefan25> NOooo!
[14:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos I want OTRS tickets for multiple rides
[14:43] <Hurricanefan25> Power is out, wi-fi is on; I think the generator just broke
[14:43] <Pharos> I want OTRS meter maids
[14:43] <Hurricanefan25> Or something
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[14:44] <tommorris> Pharos: you still on OTRS? I've got a cracking ticket number for you.
[14:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris please do not crack tickets
[14:44] <Pharos> is it NYC related?
[14:44] <Pharos> I'm a pretty provincial guy
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[14:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OTRS tickets are government property. Recycle after use
[14:45] <tommorris> no, but it is bloody awesome
[14:47] <Pharos> I'm only allowed to see NYC stuff, and junk mail
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[14:47] <Pharos> so if it counts as junk, I'm in :P
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[14:47] <tommorris> Pharos: 2011102810017499
[14:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 2011102810017499? not 2011102810017500?
[14:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lame
[14:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> incidentally is 2011102810017500 awesome?
[14:48] <Ironholds> tommorris: is it better than the hypnotherapist with his own chair?
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[14:49] <tommorris> Ironholds: no, it can't be any better than that. because it is exactly that.
[14:50] <tommorris> gah, the new Gmail is *horrible*
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[14:50] <Pharos> (don't think i have permission)
[14:50] <Pharos> it is horrible
[14:52] <tommorris> this may finally convince me to stop using the web interface and get IMAP sync working properly with Mutt
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[14:58] <Pharos> Hello! Due to your recent edit war on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Aaron Muszalski, an administrator here on Wikipedia, has flagged your account for one more chance.
[14:58] <Pharos> WTF
[14:59] <WilliamH_UK> Pharos, where is that
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[14:59] <Pharos> as a opup thingy
[14:59] <Pharos> when i tried to edit a campus ambassador page
[14:59] <Pharos> *popup
[15:00] <Pharos> needless to say, I would never touch such a silly reality show article with a 10 foot pole
[15:00] <Monty845> is someone vandalizing edit warnings?
[15:00] <Monty845> Hello! Due to your recent edit war on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Aaron Muszalski, an administrator here on Wikipedia, has flagged your account for one more chance. Your edit below was not saved, but will be saved if you use the "Save Page" button again; if you think your edit may be against Wikipedia policy, please re-think your actions. Wikipedia always welcomes constructive contributions, but we are required to block your access to ed
[15:00] <Monty845> Anti-spam check. Do NOT fill this in!
[15:00] <Monty845> BoldItalic
[15:00] <Monty845> Embedded fileSignature and timestampLinkReference
[15:00] <Monty845> AdvancedSpecial charactersHelpCite
[15:00] <Monty845> Level 2Level 3Level 4Level 5
[15:00] <Monty845> Heading
[15:00] <Monty845> Format
[15:00] <Monty845> Bulleted listNumbered listIndentationNo wiki formattingNew line
[15:00] <Monty845> BigSmallSuperscriptSubscript
[15:00] <Monty845> Insert
[15:00] <Monty845> Picture galleryRedirectTable
[15:00] <Monty845> Search and replace
[15:00] <Monty845> cite webcite newscite bookcite journal
[15:01] <Monty845> sorry that pasted more then I intended
[15:01] <WilliamH_UK> Pharos what's the diff
[15:01] <Pharos> (it popped up as an editnotice)
[15:01] <Monty845> ^that
[15:01] <Pharos> there's no diff, it's an edit notice
�03[15:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Logan_
[15:02] <WilliamH_UK> ah
[15:02] <Monty845> when I tried to create [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2011/Questions]], so it is most likely extremely wide spread
�03[15:02] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Logan_
[15:02] <Logan_> Monty845: Which ones?
[15:02] <Logan_> Sorry, lag.
[15:02] <Monty845> its giving me some strange last chance edit warring notice referencing a page I have never edited
[15:03] <Pharos> yess monty, same as me
[15:03] <Monty845> so someone vanalized something and is causing widespread disruption, I just don't know what
[15:03] <Pharos> see bottom of
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[15:04] <Logan_> It's an edit filter gone awry.
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[15:04] <Logan_> 18:59, 4 November 2011: Monty845 (talk | contribs) triggered filter 433, performing the action "edit" on Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2011/Questions. Actions taken: none; Filter description: University of Oklahoma spelling vandal (details | examine)
[15:04] <Logan_>
[15:04] <Logan_> Everybody is hitting it...
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�06[15:05] * ToAruShiroiNeko panics
[15:05] <Pharos> maybe I am the "University of Oklahoma spelling " :P
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[15:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am baffled actually
[15:05] <Pharos> spelling vandal
[15:06] <Logan_> It seems to have stopped hitting every edit, so you should be fine now, Monty845 and Snowolf.
[15:06] <Logan_> They must have fixed the filter.
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[15:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Oklahoma had a University?
[15:06] <Logan_> Although, that was a stupid mistake.
[15:06] <Snowolf_> Uh? What did I do
[15:06] <Logan_> Er, not Snowolf. Pharos.
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[15:06] <Monty845> it message was bogus too, the talk page it linked to was the main sandbox >_<
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[15:06] <Pharos> it's all snowolf's fault
[15:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Snowolf you failed at being Pharos
[15:06] <Snowolf> :o
[15:06] <Snowolf> I see
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[15:06] <Pharos> it's a lot to live up to, i know
[15:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Snowolf nothing to see :p
[15:07] <Pharos> but you must try harder next time!
[15:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos live isnt the word I use there
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[15:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ToAruShiroiNeko gamabrimasu!~~
[15:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos happy?
[15:07] <Pharos> really, ppl should aspire to it
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[15:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> asspire?
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[15:07] <Pharos> living up to my greatness is too daunting a challenge for most mortals
[15:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ tyvm
[15:08] <Logan_> np
[15:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am no mortal
[15:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am already dead.
[15:08] <Pharos> that makes you especially mortal
[15:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ you any good at drawing stuff btw?
[15:08] <Logan_> In Illustrator, sure. Not on paper.
[15:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes thats what I need
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[15:09] <MasterofPuppets> Fuck me.
[15:09] <MasterofPuppets> Fuck me.,
[15:09] <MasterofPuppets> Fuck.
[15:09] <Pharos> it's all your fault!
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[15:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ hold on
[15:09] <Logan_> MasterofPuppets: Behave, please.
[15:09] <Pharos> you are banned from wikimedia forever
[15:09] <MasterofPuppets> Logan_: I'm so sorry. I hate myself currently.
[15:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_:
[15:09] <Pharos> you are exiled to conservapedia
[15:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MasterofPuppets feeling spreads when you randomly swear here
[15:10] <Logan_> MasterofPuppets: Haha, okay.
[15:10] <Pharos> i hope you enjoy your stay there
[15:10] <Snowolf> Hello MoP :o
[15:10] <Logan_> ToAruShiroiNeko: I am not drawing a logo for Wikimedia projects. :P
[15:10] <MasterofPuppets> I just destroyed the project.
[15:10] <Logan_> Wait, did you make that filter?
[15:10] <MasterofPuppets> Logan_: I was testing something, and it saved without being finished. Hence why it applied to everyone.
[15:11] <Logan_> Ah, okay. Regexp gone awry, I suspected.
[15:11] <WilliamH_UK> it is lifted?
[15:11] <MasterofPuppets> Reverted it right away, but it caught a good 600 edits. Ffuuu.
[15:11] <Snowolf> MasterofPuppets: happens, relax :)
[15:11] <MasterofPuppets> Logan_: I wasn't done with the Regex. But the window I was editing above it lost focus (I suspect a rogue alt-tab) and I didn't notice until I hit "save".
[15:11] <Snowolf> We still love you :)
[15:11] <Pharos> everyone has probably vandalized Real Housewives of Beverley Hills at some point in their lives
[15:11] <Pharos> so no harm, no foul
[15:11] <Logan_> MasterofPuppets: I see. No worries.
[15:12] <Logan_> I think Monty845 is a spelling vandal anyway.
[15:12] <Logan_> :P
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[15:12] <Pharos> MoP, i bet you've never even deleted the Main Page
[15:13] <Logan_> That has to be done actively, though. ;P
[15:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MasterofPuppets try blocking all edtis next time >:D
[15:14] <MasterofPuppets> Pharos: Actually, funny story.
[15:14] <MasterofPuppets> Somebody tried that about two years back to see what would happen.
[15:14] <MasterofPuppets> And actually deleted the main page.
[15:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there is no rule that states "Dont disrupt all projects randomly"
[15:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ hmm
[15:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> who would you reccomend for the task?
[15:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I need moar logos dammit :p
[15:15] <Logan_> Somebody in #wikimedia-commons , probably
[15:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no response in the past 3 weeks
[15:16] <Logan_> You idled there for 3 weeks, and there wasn't a response?
[15:16] <Pharos> what do you need a logo for?
[15:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ no I asked many times
[15:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos two wikimedia projects lack a proper logo
[15:17] <Pharos> they must be really crummt little projects noone cares about :P
[15:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Strategy Wiki?
[15:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its wikimedias strategic planning wiki
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[15:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which didnt plan for a logo ironicaly
[15:17] <Pharos> strategy wiki should be archoved
[15:17] <Pharos> *archived
[15:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> **not done yet
[15:18] <Pharos> it's over
[15:18] <Pharos> well, it should be done
[15:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ***people should stop archiving wikis, it is annoying when you get a new thing each year
[15:18] <Pharos> it wasn't a very good idea in the first place
[15:18] <Logan_> ToAruShiroiNeko: You should post on the individual wikis about the logo...
[15:18] <Logan_>
[15:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> strategic planning is a very good thing
[15:18] <Pharos> strategywiki is the new thing
[15:19] <Pharos> it should have stayed on meta
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[15:19] <Logan_>
[15:19] <Pharos> long live meta-wiki!
[15:19] <Logan_> ToAruShiroiNeko: ^
[15:19] <Pharos> meta, is there anything betta?
[15:20] <Logan_> Yes, Outreach.
[15:20] <Logan_> ;P
[15:20] <Pharos> nope, otreach should be on meta too
[15:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> cant edit strategy wiki
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[15:20] <Pharos> one wiki to rule them all!
[15:21] <Dragonfly6-7> and in the darkness revert them
[15:21] <Logan_> ToAruShiroiNeko: Why not?
[15:22] <Pharos> bc it's dead as disco
[15:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am to new probably
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[15:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> could you copy paste my meta post for me?
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[15:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> for strategy wiki
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[15:22] <Logan_> Anybody can edit strategy, ToAruShiroiNeko.
[15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like how I did with outreach on the link you gave
[15:23] <Logan_> What error do you get?
[15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I cant, not until 15 days or something
[15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> page protected
[15:23] <Logan_> Oh...
[15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can only view history
[15:23] <Logan_> Oh, no.
[15:23] <Logan_> It's LiquidThreads.
[15:23] <Pharos> what's the other crummy wiki that needs a logo?
[15:23] <Logan_> Click "Start a new discussion."
[15:24] <Logan_> See that big blue box? :P
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[15:24] <Pharos> oh man, I just thought of a terrible idea
[15:25] <Pharos> we could have a "worst Wikimedia wiki" contest
[15:25] <Pharos> there could be a big vote on meta!
[15:25] <Logan_> nostalgia
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> huh
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos what?
[15:25] <Logan_> ToAruShiroiNeko: It automatically signs...
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[15:26] <Logan_> nbd, though
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ I just copy pasted my post :/
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nbd?
[15:26] <Pharos> btw, holding hands is the king of cliche
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos hence the logo
[15:26] <Logan_> ToAruShiroiNeko: no big deal
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> abbriviation hell today
[15:26] <Pharos> there's such a thing as to much cliche
[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> cliché
[15:27] <Pharos> we can vote the worst Wikimedia wiki off of the island!
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[15:27] <Pharos> and replace it with a better one
[15:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we already have
[15:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we replaced 9/11 wiki with wikiversity I believe
[15:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ also I need help creating logos for the UNESCO World Heritage Site thing
[15:28] <Logan_> Cool.
[15:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> would you be willing to do that?
[15:29] <Logan_> No.
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :(
[15:29] <Pharos> see, there's precedent
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you dont like logos?
[15:29] <Logan_> Er, that was a bit blunt. I'm just not that skilled yet with vector drawing.
[15:29] <Pharos> i like logos
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
[15:29] <Pharos> i prefer flags, though
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it shouldnt be vector-hard
[15:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its just text
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[15:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
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[15:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Logan_ I am trying to create more text logos, the blue ones
[15:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I need translators and someone drawing/creating them
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[15:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> aha!
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[15:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MasterofPuppets is in Canadiaistan!
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[15:33] <Pharos> this explains his hatred of American housewives
[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> holy smokes:
[15:33] <WilliamH_UK> all of a sudden I'm reminded of the South Park Movie
[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that word exists!?
[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WilliamH_UK all the world is a wiki, and all the men and women are mere editors
[15:33] <Pharos> it's google, any idiot word you make up exists
[15:33] <WilliamH_UK> Everything worked out, what a happy end!
[15:34] <WilliamH_UK> Americans and Canadians are friends again
[15:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WilliamH_UK Americans and Canadians are never friends.
[15:34] <Pharos> speak for yourself, beaver-hugger!
[15:34] <MasterofPuppets> ToAruShiroiNeko: Indeed.
[15:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You never know Canada is going to invade US again
[15:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> last time they burnt down the white house, which is now a black house?!
[15:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[15:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> maybe they will just paint it this time.
[15:35] <Pharos> 1 bad racial humor
[15:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> racial humor?
[15:35] <Pharos> 2 bad british m,ilitary history
[15:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> when wood is burnt it turns black?
[15:35] <Pharos> 3 bad spelling, worst of all!
[15:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I spelle better thn mst
[15:36] <Pharos> canadians couldn't burn their own capital if they tried
[15:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos indeed, too cold to light any kind of fire.
[15:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> best blow it up
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[15:43] <Pharos> i'm liking the vote off the island idea more and more
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[15:45] <Pharos> needs a catchier name
[15:46] <Logan_> ...
[15:46] <Logan_> zscout370: Have you fixed your connection?
[15:47] <zscout370> Logan_: My Internet is up and fine, but not sure what is going on
[15:47] <zscout370> just keep on server hopping
[15:48] <Logan_> Okay.
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[15:49] <Pharos> WWWW?
[15:50] <Pharos> Who Wants to be a Wikimedia Wiki?
[15:51] <Pharos> NeWMoP
[15:51] <Pharos> Next Wikimedia Project
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[15:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> next wikimedia project will be
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[15:58] <LauraHale> America almost invaded Canada a few years back (after the American Civil War).  Good times for all!
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[16:00] <Pharos> Americans did invade Canada
[16:00] <Pharos> it just wasn't the American government
[16:00] <Pharos> the plan was to hold Canada hostage and exchange the prisoner for Ireland!
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[16:01] <Pharos> stop poking me!
[16:01] <Peter-C> The thingy tomorrow!
[16:02] <Pharos> oh yah
[16:02] <Pharos> you're not going to DC, are you?
[16:02] <Peter-C> Nope
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[16:03] <Pharos> so, what avout tomorrow then?
[16:03] <Peter-C> Library thing for me!
[16:03] <Peter-C> WLL
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[16:04] <Pharos> ok, cool
[16:04] <Peter-C> Any more ideas for me Pharos
[16:04] <Pharos> so, rule 1 is be awesome
[16:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos Canadians invaded US many times
[16:05] <Pharos> why don't you suggest doing the it was a partner with the librarian?
[16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> each holiday in canada is excuse enough for canadians to mass travel to the US.
[16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "Vacation" is the disguise!
[16:05] <Pharos> so, you can teach them and  they'll teach you
[16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you teach me and I teach you!
[16:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pokémon!
[16:06] <Pharos> rule 2, don't mention Pokemon to the librarian
[16:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what if the librarian is a pokemon?
[16:07] <Peter-C> That would be awk
[16:07] <Pharos> then that would be even more rude
[16:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why?
[16:07] <Pharos> "Sir, you'ree a Pokemon, right?"
[16:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pokémon have rights too
[16:07] <Peter-C> *Mrs.
[16:07] <Pharos> it's like asking germans about the war
[16:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos whats wrong with that?
[16:08] <Pharos> ask John Cleese
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[16:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[16:08] <Pharos> (who real name is John Cheese, btw)
[16:09] <Pharos> for reals
[16:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not in any way interesting
[16:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I want to meet a woman with the last name Mozzerella.
[16:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or first name
[16:10] <Pharos> that's easy
[16:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but she also needs to be Japanese
[16:10] <Pharos> go to court and file a deed poll
[16:10] <Pharos> it's usually easier to do that after a sex change
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[16:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos you change between sex?
[16:12] <Pharos> *you* can
[16:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why?
[16:12] <Pharos> if you want to meet a mozarella person of the opposite sex
[16:13] <SteveMobile> Hai
[16:13] <Pharos> so, if you're female and you want to meet a mr mozarella
[16:13] <Pharos> or vice versa
[16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just want free cheese :(
[16:14] <Pharos> find a free cow
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[16:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> all cows are busy feeding greece
[16:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whom failed at referandum
[16:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I feel sorry for the greek prime minister
[16:16] <Pharos> i feel sorry for the greek drachma
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[16:17] <sciuqa> !ops ToAruShiroiNeko, shut the fuck up.
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[16:17] <Snowolf> ...
[16:17] <Logan_> Er.
[16:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[16:17] <rowan> Uh.
[16:17] <SteveMobile> Omai
[16:17] <Barras> huh?
[16:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> should I feel privilaged to be randomly targetted?
[16:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am going to sacrifice something if so
[16:18] <SteveMobile> Yes :p
[16:18] <Demiurge1000> a goat!
[16:18] <Pharos> a hecatomb of goats
[16:18] <SteveMobile> Self sacrifice :p
[16:18] <Pharos> don't be stingy
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[16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> goat?
[16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Capri Sun!
[16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> barbarians! :p
[16:19] <Pharos> a sheeplike mammal with horns
[16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> horny sheep?
[16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> see what I did there?
[16:20] <Corey> ToAruShiroiNeko: Give it a rest please.
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[16:20] <sciuqa> says the freenode staffer.
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[16:21] <sciuqa> nooooooooooooooooo
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[16:21] <Logan_> no
[16:21] <Logan_> we ban hostmasks...
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[16:21] <Logan_> like I said
[16:21] <xttee> petan you suck.
[16:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he has random hostmasks?
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[16:21] <xttee> And so do you Logan_
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[16:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do I suck?
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[16:21] <Corey> Like that.
[16:21] <Logan_> petan: ...
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[16:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ban *!*@*.net to be sure >:D
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[16:22] <bpisgg> ToAruShiroiNeko, yes.
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[16:22] <Corey> Peter-C: Yeah, my script is making that difficult, sorry.
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[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Corey dont be sorry, it was the high point of my day :)
[16:23] <WilliamH_UK> oo I missed the drama
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[16:23] <Logan_> Er, that was a crappy ban. Whatever, I'll fix it if bypassed.
[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> incidentally, were you aware the FBI uses wikis to operate?
[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> We now know what FBI agents do all day
[16:24] <Pharos> no, the CIA does
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> CIA does too
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats a seperate wiki
[16:24] <Qcoder00> :)
[16:24] <Qcoder00> :O
[16:24] <Ironholds> Logan_: Fabrice loves your idea, btw
[16:24] <Logan_> Awesome. :)
[16:25] <Ironholds> it's a phase 2 idea, but we'll include it in "things to be considered"
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[16:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> CIA uses Intelipedia
[16:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> FBI uses Bureaupedia
[16:25] <Pharos> CIA is better
[16:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> DOS uses Diplopedia
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[16:25] <Pharos> MS still uses DOS secretly
[16:25] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: the NSA uses Decryptopedia
[16:26] <Ironholds> DIS uses Oxymoronpedia
[16:26] <Demiurge1000> The CIA used to use NeXTstep when almost no-one else did :D
[16:26] <Ironholds> Demiurge1000: "when almost nobody else did" could cover any point in history :D
[16:26] <Pharos> GOP uses Conservapedia
[16:26] <Demiurge1000> Ironholds: I'll not say too much there, I have a COI :P
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[16:27] <Pharos> KGB uses Siberian Wikipedia
[16:27] <Demiurge1000> In Siberia, Wikipedia new page patrols *you*
[16:29] <LauraHale> DYK is feeling :( :( right now.
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[16:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the NSA uses your seat cussion
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[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds but seriously both agencies use wikis for official business
[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they even have wiki articles on them
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[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Inteliwiki even has top secret info
[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> classified documents anyone with access can edit!?
�08[16:31] <derp> ToAruShiroiNeko, your target
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�08[16:31] <derp> get on that wiki and hack it.
[16:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> derp yeah right...
[16:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats vierually impossible
[16:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its on intranet
[16:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not even Duqu can get to it
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[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Remote Access Sessions may terminate 30 minutes after log in. Please save frequently. (AJ5)
[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> must be a bitch to rc patrol
[16:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or even edit :/
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[16:37] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: RC patrol is a lot easier
[16:37] <Ironholds> if you write "LOL THE ED SUCKS COCK LOL" they can CU you and then put a .45 through your frontal lobe
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[16:38] <Pharos> omg, can you revdelete my last edit?
[16:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[16:39] <Kingpin13> Pharos, not the place to ask. And why?
[16:39] <Trusilver> Ironholds: I think we should take a lesson from them. Even a disclaimer and the slight chance that someone could be showing up at their door with nailbats might drastically reduce the number of vandals.
[16:39] <Pharos> </jk re ironholds>
[16:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds but its the CIA
[16:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they probably think I live in Antarctica
[16:40] <Kingpin13> Pharos, I see, the joins/quits ruined it for me =p.
�06[16:40] * ToAruShiroiNeko imagines two squads of CIA agents trying to find a WHITE CAT in antarctica
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[16:40] <BarkingFish> Ironholds: any joy with the output from the office hours yet, or are they still being processed?
[16:40] <Betacommand> ToAruShiroiNeko: that would be easy
[16:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Betacommand a white cat in the snow?
[16:41] <Betacommand> thermal scanners
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[16:41] <tommorris> hey Pharos, mind if I /msg you?
[16:41] <Pharos> no, don't mind at all
[16:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Betacommand CIA managed to not find WMDs in iraq
[16:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what makes you think they would even use such a device?
[16:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> besides I dont reside there
[16:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they wouldnt be able to find me there
[16:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think
[16:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do I live in antarctica?
[16:43] <LauraHale> Yes.
[16:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I see
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[16:44] <DarkoNeko> zzzz
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[16:45] <Pharos> I want to geonotice antarctica
[16:45] <Gfoley4> yay. 30,000 edits
[16:46] <Pharos> woohoo
[16:47] <WilliamH_UK> wd
[16:47] <BarkingFish> Gfoley4: all human or do you have any semi-automated tools?
[16:47] <Gfoley4> about 8,000 or so using Igloo I think.
[16:48] <Gfoley4> another thousand via Twinkle probably
[16:48] <BarkingFish> nice. I only passed my 6000th edit about 4 months ago, and I've been on 6 years.
[16:48] <Logan_> Twinkle – 3057
[16:48] <Logan_> Igloo – 8273
[16:48] <Logan_> Gfoley4: ^
�06[16:48] * tommorris is pro-semi-automated tools and anti-people-turning-their-nose-up-at-semi-automated-edits
[16:48] <Gfoley4> ;o
[16:49] <BarkingFish> Not a great success rate, but I do use twinkle a fair bit, it's the only semi-automated tool I do use
[16:49] <tommorris> you fuck up with Twinkle or Huggle and people still shout at you. all the responsibility but with none of the (potential) glory
[16:49] <Logan_> Twinkle – 995
[16:49] <Gfoley4> yeah
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[16:49] <Pharos> i'm mostly human, but have 6 robotic legs
[16:50] <Logan_> Gfoley4: This is me:
[16:50] <Logan_> Huggle – 20001
[16:50] <Logan_> Twinkle – 3371
[16:50] <tommorris> that reminds me, I need to build the "Hipster or cop moustache" I've been planning for a while
[16:51] <BarkingFish> any admins on the floor willing to withdraw an afd on my behalf please? It appears the article has been trimmed and fixed, no need for the delete now.
[16:51] <BarkingFish> Was a massive blp vio but unsuitable for prodding
[16:51] <BarkingFish>,_Jr.
[16:51] <tommorris> BarkingFish: you don't need an admin to close a withdrawn AfD
[16:51] <Logan_> AutoWikiBrowser – 2719
[16:52] <BarkingFish> i don't know how to shut an afd, tommorris - just need someone with a bit of nouse to shut it.
[16:52] <tommorris> BarkingFish: just add * '''Withdrawn''' ~~~~ to the bottom and then I'll close it for you
[16:53] <BarkingFish> done
[16:53] <tommorris> Done
[16:54] <Logan_> etc.
[16:54] <SteveMobile> Lol
[16:54] <Logan_> I go a bit crazy, you see.
[16:54] <Gfoley4> therefore, RFA  0/1
[16:54] <Gfoley4> >:D
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[16:54] <Gfoley4> bahahah
[16:54] <SteveMobile> Non-automated?
[16:54] <Logan_> But I have 50K edits. :P
[16:54] <SteveMobile> 10
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[16:54] <Logan_> Link?
[16:54] <Gfoley4> BarkingFish: ya
[16:54] <Logan_> That too.
[16:54] <Gfoley4> You can do it yourself though...yeah
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[16:54] <Trusilver> tommorris: amen
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[16:54] <BarkingFish> thanks tommorris
[16:55] <tommorris> BarkingFish: there's a script like Twinkle for closing AfDs
[16:55] <TParis> importScript('User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD.js'); importScript('User:Mr.Z-man/hideClosedAFD.js');
[16:55] <tommorris> yep that one
[16:55] <BarkingFish> cba, tommorris :)  I'd rather not shut an AFD i initiated anyway!
[16:56] <TParis> Which AFD is it?
[16:56] <tommorris>,_Jr.
[16:56] <tommorris> done already
[16:56] <TParis> kk
[16:57] <tommorris> I do actually think AfD should become "Articles for discussion", like RfD and CfD
[16:58] <BarkingFish> i think there should be an ARO for the worst stuff... Articles requiring obliteration :P
[16:59] <BarkingFish> fuck afd and a 7 day wait
[16:59] <BarkingFish> :)
[16:59] <TParis> IAR
[16:59] <tommorris> Editors for annihilation is something I could get behind
[16:59] <TParis> lol
[16:59] <BarkingFish> tommorris: Redirect that to AN/I - that's where most of the shite gets sent anyway :)
[17:00] <tommorris> as I've been doing some redirects, I think ANI needs a new one
[17:00] <Trusilver> Are we talking Articles for Annihilation in a manner more extreme than simply CSD? Perhaps obliterating the article creator as well? Or maybe something requiring Thunderdome?
[17:01] <BarkingFish> Trusilver: yes
[17:01] <tommorris> I present [[WP:HAPPYPLACE]], the new easy-to-remember shortcut for the Administrators' noticeboard for Incidents
[17:01] <BarkingFish> With Articles for annihilation, you wouldn't be allowed to appeal it. It's there, it's gone, end of. Don't like it? Rewrite it and make it better :)
[17:02] <tommorris> Life gets too stressful, so you go to your [[WP:HAPPYPLACE]]... only you realise that the only place you are truly happy is ANI.
[17:02] <Trusilver> tommorris: That's an entirely deceptive redirect. I have never seen anyone happy in AI.
[17:02] <Trusilver> *ANI
[17:03] <tommorris> That's because you aren't watching the spectators.
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[17:03] <tommorris> Next time a Malleus thread pops up, someone pops open a brew, and sits back to enjoy.
[17:03] <Trusilver> tommorris: I never thought of it like that...
[17:04] <Trusilver> It's like having a never-ending three-ring circus on your monitor.
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[17:04] <tommorris> My other awesome redirect today was [[Hot men]] and [[Hot women]]
[17:05] <BarkingFish> be back in a bit
[17:07] <tommorris> I'm still tempted to link "Flaming hot women" to [[Spontaneous human combustion]] but that might be foul of the vandalism line
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[17:08] <mindspillage> tommorris: whereas [[Smoking hot women]] should obviously redirect to [[tobacco advertising]].
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[17:11] <tommorris> mindspillage: of course.
[17:11] <jubo2> tommorris: for great vandalisage !
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[17:12] <tommorris> jubo2: not at all. [[Hot women]] was based on the fact that someone I know on IRC typed it into search and didn't get anything and was frustrated about it. He is a pervy old man in a trenchcoat, but so what? We're here to service the readers... and, no, not in that way.
[17:12] <Trusilver> Tommorris: 99% of everyone would think it was funny... then you would get ANI'd by the person who thinks that humor has no business in Wikipedia.
[17:13] <tommorris> Redirecting people looking for pervy stuff to [[Physical attractiveness]] is good. It's for science!
[17:13] <Trusilver> heh
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[17:13] <tommorris> [[Physical attractiveness]] also has some hilarious sentences: "According to one source, the most important factor that attracts gay men to other males is the man's physical attractiveness."
[17:14] <tommorris> And best of all: "Research has shown that men enjoy viewing women's breasts" WITH A FOOTNOTE.
[17:14] <tommorris> Admittedly, the footnote is to the Daily Telegraph. It'd be better if it went to the original scientific journal article
[17:15] <Trusilver> That would have been the most ridiculous study ever done.
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[17:33] <Ironholds> dammit, where's Sonia
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[17:40] <Demiurge1000> NZ
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[17:44] <Aranda56> bleh
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[17:46] <Aranda56> i completely forgot that my RFA ends tonight
�06[17:46] * Aranda56 was so occupied with work that I thought it ended tomorrow night
[17:50] <Logan_> Ironholds: Thanks for the message.
[17:52] <SteveMobile> Aranda56: Today
[17:53] <Aranda56> SteveMobile yeah I'm 11 hours behind you though :p
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[17:53] <SteveMobile> Loo
[17:53] <SteveMobile> Lol
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[18:04] <Ironholds> Logan_: no problem!
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[18:08] <Steven_Zhang> Logan, tru day
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[18:09] <Logan_> Steven_Zhang: ...
[18:09] <Logan_> Oh.
[18:12] <Steven_Zhang> I meant, yes, that's true
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[18:20] <Steven_Zhang> Hm.
[18:20] <Steven_Zhang> that's hardly blatant advertising.
[18:22] <TParis> I think so
[18:22] <TParis> There are a few snippets of useable material
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[18:27] <Steven_Zhang> TParis: Got a tricky one
[18:27] <Steven_Zhang>
[18:28] <Steven_Zhang> The Flickr image is CC-NC
[18:28] <Steven_Zhang> But the source listed by the uploader
[18:28] <Steven_Zhang>
[18:28] <Steven_Zhang> Is cc-by-sa
[18:29] <Steven_Zhang> Though it looks possible thatnth
[18:29] <Steven_Zhang> That the Flickr image is the actual owner
[18:29] <Steven_Zhang> Making the true license cc-nc
[18:29] <Steven_Zhang> No?
[18:30] <TParis> The license at the bottom of seismologik is CC-BY-SA 3.0...
[18:30] <TParis> So whichever is the source it is all we need to do is determine which is the original for attribution
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[18:32] <Steven_Zhang> Oops
[18:32] <TParis> Based on this I am thinking the flickr is the original
[18:33] <TParis>
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[18:33] <TParis> That page says it was uploaded to flickr on Nov 5, 2010 while the article was published in Jan 2011
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[18:34] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah.
[18:34] <Steven_Zhang> And CC-NC isn't compatible with our license
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[18:35] <TParis> Ohh you're right
[18:35] <TParis> I wasn't paying attention
[18:35] <TParis> Sounds like it's gotta go then
[18:35] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah
[18:35] <Steven_Zhang> Wake up :p
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[18:39] <Steven_Zhang> TParis: Gone?
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�03[18:52] * Set by derp! on Sun Oct 23 21:29:19
[18:52] #wikipedia-en url is
�12[18:52] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
[18:52] <SigmaWP> derp: :D
�08[18:53] <derp> SigmaWP :D
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[18:57] <tommorris> oh bollocks, missing Jimbo talk on BBC
[18:57] <Seddon|Busy> tommorris: youll be dissapointed
[18:57] <Seddon|Busy> :P
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[19:00] <tommorris> Seddon|Busy: did you see, he was in here earlier asking how to find out what pages China were censoring?
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[19:01] <SigmaWP> NOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:01] <SigmaWP> I always miss the Jimbo talks
[19:01] <SigmaWP> tommorris: what
[19:01] <SigmaWP> WHAT?
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[19:02] <SigmaWP> Gah
[19:02] <SigmaWP> 9 hours ago
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[19:05] <Ironholds> Seddon|Busy: are you saying Jimbo isn't a very good public speaker?
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[19:06] <GabrielF> I took my Dad to hear Jimbo speak about 5 years ago and my Dad was really impressed with him even though he hadn't heard of wikipedia.
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[19:09] <Qcoder00> OK How do I addd a MIDI file to page?
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[19:10] <PiRSquared17> [[WP:MIDI]]
�06[19:11] * SigmaWP HATES idiots who don't know how to create a redirect, and then create 500 versions of their shit redirect
[19:11] <PiRSquared17> {{audio|desc.|file}} Qcoder00
[19:11] <PiRSquared17> switched file and description
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[19:13] <Qcoder00> OK That works but it's not text
[19:13] <Qcoder00>
[19:14] <PiRSquared17> [[:Media:A|B]] ?
[19:15] <Qcoder00> Tried that
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[19:18] <Qcoder00> OK Media: makes it download, not playback
[19:18] <Qcoder00> OK different question
[19:19] <Qcoder00> Is it possible to have a MIDI file play 'in-page'
[19:19] <Qcoder00> ?
[19:20] <Qcoder00> If not , do I need to file a Bugzilla for a feature request?
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[19:39] <SigmaWP> Who wants to salt ?
�06[19:40] * SigmaWP fears helpees disappointed in the services and customs of -help
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[19:43] <AndrewN> SigmaWP: Obvious page is obvious.
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[19:43] <SigmaWP> :|
[19:43] <AndrewN> SigmaWP: Now... if only we could get that page to auto-recognize my homework, and give me all the correct answers... XD
[19:43] <SigmaWP> Heh
�06[19:44] * SigmaWP uses an army of subpages
[19:44] <lwiejif> Hey, so when I cited that Jaranda's block reason that I saw once, was a title of Cee Lo Green's hit song, why was i kickbanned for "trolling?" I wasn't kidding. Look:
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[19:44] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: Yay!
[19:44] <lwiejif> Some "foks" guy said "trolly troll is trolly" as the reason, but I was citing the truth.
[19:44] <SigmaWP> Another editor who likes adding comments in block reasons and edit summaries
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[19:45] <lwiejif> See, in the link, it's the 2nd from the top of the block log.
[19:45] <SigmaWP> lwiejif: They kickbanned you for a reason
[19:45] <eeekster> sigmaWP: haven't the admins all left town for the weekend?
[19:45] <lwiejif> So that made me think that he was probably being as rogue as freakofnurture.
[19:45] <SigmaWP> eeekster: We're the only people who care about NPP
[19:45] <lwiejif> SigmaWP: The reason being that they didn't believe me.
[19:46] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Oh yes, and slow down. YOu're beating me to the tags I'm supposed to get. :P
[19:46] <eeekster> have you read some of the NPP reform debate?
[19:46] <SigmaWP> On MW?
[19:46] <eeekster> yes
[19:46] <SigmaWP> Yep
[19:46] <eeekster> depressing
[19:47] <eeekster> lots of criticism for those that don't actually do the work
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[19:47] <SigmaWP> Link please?
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[19:48] <SigmaWP> eeekster: ^
[19:48] <eeekster> I'll have to look for it
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[19:51] <SigmaWP> lwiejif: He's not being rogue
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[19:51] <SigmaWP> Hey!
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[19:51] <SigmaWP> Hey!!!
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[19:51] <SigmaWP> Hmph.
[19:52] <eeekster>
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[19:53] <eeekster> actually just
[19:53] <SigmaWP> They changed it to triage?
[19:53] <SigmaWP> yeah
[19:53] <eeekster> the screencast nonsense was all windoze based
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[19:53] <SigmaWP> And my windows computer is from 2002
[19:53] <SigmaWP> So naturally, everything crashed when I started recording
�06[19:54] * SigmaWP doesn't have the guts to tell them that
[19:54] <Addihockey10> SigmaWP: You don't have the nuts either.
[19:54] <SigmaWP> You *are* nuts.
[19:54] <Addihockey10> that's what the shrink says.
[19:54] <eeekster> but the basic feel I got is everyone doing NPP is waste of skin and needs to be controlled
[19:55] <SigmaWP> Addihockey10: Whatever.
[19:55] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: Yunoaccept my google +?
[19:56] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Everyone either misunderstands the CSD criteria, overuses them (coughcough10minuterulefora1anda3)  or underzealously applies them
[19:56] <petan> Ironholds: you have g+?
[19:56] <eeekster> nobody answered by "what ten minute rule?" comment
[19:57] <Addihockey10> petan: You have google +? Circle moi :-O I'm so lonely
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[19:57] <petan> name?
[19:57] <SigmaWP> It means you haven't read WP:CSD yet then, eeekster
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[19:57] <eeekster> read it long ago
[19:57] <SigmaWP> Then you should know what the 10 minute rule is
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[19:58] <eeekster> really? It's in a footnote.
[19:59] <eeekster> and usually when I try to wait for that long for an A3 it gets tagged long before 10 minutes are up by someone else
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[20:06] <Steven_Zhang> !!!!!!!
[20:07] <Steven_Zhang> SigmAway: 45 ope
[20:07] <Steven_Zhang> Open
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[20:21] <SigmAway> Steven_Zhang: Yay
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[20:23] <SigmAway> Jai ho, jai ho, it's off to work we go
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[20:24] <Steven_Zhang> SigmAway: hwy
[20:24] <Steven_Zhang> hey
[20:24] <SigmAway> hi
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[20:25] <Steven_Zhang> How would you close :P
[20:25] <SigmaWP> Redirect
[20:25] <Steven_Zhang> Are you sure?
[20:25] <SigmaWP> Yes
[20:25] <SigmaWP> Why?
�06[20:26] * SigmaWP doesn't think it's notable enough
[20:26] <Steven_Zhang> what about Cullen's vote?
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[20:27] <SigmaWP> It doesn't meet the GNG
[20:28] <SigmaWP> You can close it
�06[20:28] * SigmaWP returns to closing the AfDs with unanimous voices
[20:28] <tommorris> is there an surfeit of AfDs needing closing?
[20:28] <tommorris> Can always jump in and do some NACs
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[20:30] <Steven_Zhang> I think this is a decent closing rationale/
[20:30] <Steven_Zhang> "While there is a consensus here that there has been some mention in some reliable sources, it's somewhat also agreed that the mentions aren't numerous or in depth enough to qualify as significant coverage. Anything worth merging can and should be done from the article history."
[20:31] <tommorris> oh, you proxy closing for Steven? ;-)
[20:31] <SigmaWP> I'll copy/paste that then
�06[20:31] * SigmaWP rushes
[20:31] <SigmaWP> Hey!
[20:31] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[20:32] <SigmaWP> Oh well
[20:32] <SigmaWP> Relisting is more fun
[20:32] <Steven_Zhang> The result was redirect to The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show#Characters. While there is a consensus here that there has been some mention in some reliable sources, it's somewhat also agreed that the mentions aren't numerous or in depth enough to qualify as significant coverage. I do see discussion of merging below, so anything worth merging can and should be done from the article history, obviously ensuring it is attributed properly.
[20:32] <Steven_Zhang> (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 11:30 am, Today (UTC+11)
[20:32] <Steven_Zhang> there that shall do :P
[20:33] <tommorris> what's the current consensus on minimum number of !voters to decide whether to relist?
[20:33] <SigmaWP> 3
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[20:33] <SigmaWP> Or at least, I float around that number
[20:34] <tommorris> including nom?
[20:34] <SigmaWP> No
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[20:35] <Steven_Zhang_> stupid
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[20:37] <Steven_Zhang_> well is no consensus.
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[20:39] <SigmaWP> Relist more
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[20:40] <SigmaWP> I'm not closing anytning
�06[20:40] * SigmaWP is scared
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[20:41] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: How many times can I relist?
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[20:41] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
�06[20:41] * Sp33dyphil waves to Demiurge1000 and SigmaWP
[20:41] <Sp33dyphil> this is very very tiring
[20:42] <Steven_Zhang> why?
[20:42] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[20:42] <Sp33dyphil> copyediting a 5000-word article :(
[20:42] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: How many times can I relist a AfD
[20:42] <Sp33dyphil> [[Hyderabad, India]]
[20:42] <Demiurge1000> get on with it boy!  *cracks whip*
[20:42] <Sp33dyphil> hi Steven Zhang :)
[20:42] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: Ping
[20:42] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: I don't think the article is getting better
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[20:43] <Sp33dyphil> my CE is really crap
[20:43] <SigmaWP> !helper How many times can I relist an AfD?
[20:43] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Keep at it.
�06[20:43] * SigmaWP is glad people stalk that word
[20:43] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: I don't know if I deserve the barnstar from Jim for my CE
[20:43] <Monty845> you can relist as many times as is necessary, but after the 2nd or 3rd one there better be a good reason imo
[20:44] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Some requesters are mean with barnstars, and just mean all round. Accept it. Jim is one of the nice ones.
[20:44] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: what are you up to? Is that USSR sanbx page of yours getting anywhere?
[20:44] <SigmaWP> Oh shit
�06[20:44] * SigmaWP relisted something for the 3rd time
[20:44] <Sp33dyphil> oh
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[20:44] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: I'm getting help from the local right-wingers
�06[20:44] * Sp33dyphil waves to Trusilver, but doubts if he sees it
[20:44] <Sp33dyphil> right-wingers?
[20:45] <Sp33dyphil> GET OUT!
�06[20:45] * Sp33dyphil waves to ToAruShiroiNeko
[20:45] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Have you heard of Dianaa?
[20:45] <Sp33dyphil> yes
[20:45] <Sp33dyphil> one of the people on the leaderboard
[20:45] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: I once copy-edited, for GA, an article that Dianaa had already copy-edited for GA.
[20:46] <Sp33dyphil> your point is ??
[20:46] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: The requester said about her copy-edit, "well, I requested the GOCE to copyedit this, and they said they did, but I don't think anything got done"
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[20:46] <Sp33dyphil> oh, you mean that there might be more than one CEs to make an article viable?
[20:46] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: When I saw that, I went and checked...
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[20:46] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
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[20:46] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: When I saw that, I went and checked...
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[20:47] <Sp33dyphil> ok
[20:47] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: And I saw that Dianaa was the person that had originally copy-edited for them...
[20:47] <Addihockey10> o/
[20:47] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: So I went and checked some more...
[20:47] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: ... so I found out that between Dianna doing her copyedit, and them making that comment about it being no use...
[20:47] <Sp33dyphil> so you're saying Dianaa is a bad copyeditor? :P
[20:47] <Steven_Zhang> stupid connection :P
[20:47] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: ... other people had made MORE THAN 100 EDITS TO THE ARTICLE
[20:48] <Sp33dyphil> o.O
[20:48] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: So, what conclusion do you draw from that, about what I'm saying?
[20:48] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: if Hyderabad gets to GA, I think I can claim that I've had a major stake in it
[20:48] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Are you saying that Dianaa is a bad copyeditor?
[20:48] <Sp33dyphil> no
[20:49] <Sp33dyphil> you're giving me that impression
[20:49] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: OK, don't say weird things please... actually just read what people say.
�06[20:49] * Sp33dyphil has too many red "Demiurge1000"s on his window 
[20:49] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: You can click.
[20:49] <Sp33dyphil> wai?
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[20:50] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Why did you say "so you're saying Dianaa is a bad copyeditor?" ? Seems a weird thing to say.
[20:50] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: You asked about copyediting advice, I was trying to give you some examples from experience? Did you understand the examples?
[20:50] <SigmaWP> admins please?
[20:50] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: well, you said that people wanted another major facelift after Dianaa's CE
[20:51] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Please read more carefully.
[20:51] <Sp33dyphil> I think what you're trying to say is that there might be more than one CEs to make an article look and sound good
[20:51] <SigmaWP> tommorris: See above?
[20:51] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: No.
[20:51] <Sp33dyphil> you're saying that some people aren't satisfied with good CEs?
[20:52] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: No, I was saying something more than that.
[20:52] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Did you get time to review the Breville comments?
[20:52] <Sp33dyphil> it's useless talking about the CE *during* the CE?
[20:53] <Sp33dyphil> ya, I've read them
[20:53] <Demiurge1000> Good.
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[20:53] <Sp33dyphil> they're all fixed
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[20:53] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: " it's useless talking about the CE *during* the CE?" is that what you're trying to say?
[20:53] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: I didn't ask you to fix them, I asked you to look at them.
[20:54] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: No, my point was that some ce requesters are entirely unreasonable... they will ask you to do a ce, then after you finish the ce, they will make 100+ changes to the article, completely destroying its prose; then they will submit it for GA; then they will blame you that it failed GA.
[20:55] <Sp33dyphil> oh
[20:55] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: I said this above.
[20:55] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Very simple sequence of events.
[20:55] <Sp33dyphil> I thought "MORE THAN 100 EDITS TO THE ARTICLE" refers to the CE editor
[20:56] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: (1) guy writes article. (2) guy asks for GOCE ce of article. (3) Dianaa does ce. (4) guy destroys article with 100+ edits. (5) guy complains that GOCE "did nothing"
[20:56] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000 that's pretty sinister
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[20:56] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Oh, and then (6) guy demands *another* ce of article. And I did it :D
[20:56] <Sp33dyphil> (6) guy gets kicked out ?
[20:56] <Sp33dyphil> (7) guy complains ?
[20:56] <Demiurge1000> oh, and the guy also tried edit warring with me while I was doing it
[20:57] <Demiurge1000> but we got to GA in the end :P
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[20:57] <Sp33dyphil> good good
[20:57] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000 at least Dianaa got her logs up :P
[20:57] <Demiurge1000> you have to assume that the original article author is *not* always right
[20:58] <Sp33dyphil> right
[20:58] <Demiurge1000> if something looks weird... that's probably because it *is* weird
[20:58] <Sp33dyphil> what do you think of [[Hyderabad, India]] now?
[20:58] <Sp33dyphil> IDK what else to do
[20:58] <Demiurge1000> Looks pretty.
[20:58] <Demiurge1000> That's for what?
[20:58] <Sp33dyphil> what?
[20:59] <Demiurge1000> GA, FA, Jimbo's bedtime reading?
[20:59] <Sp33dyphil> GOCE request
[20:59] <Demiurge1000> none of the above?
[20:59] <Sp33dyphil> I don't get what you're trying to say
[20:59] <Sp33dyphil> oh
[20:59] <Demiurge1000> OK.
[20:59] <Sp33dyphil> GA
[21:00] <Sp33dyphil> I'll fail the article if it gets nominated for GA
[21:00] <Sp33dyphil> tags and deadlinks
[21:00] <Sp33dyphil> and it needs a thorough workout in the History section
[21:00] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000 are you CEing anything ATM?
[21:00] <Demiurge1000> No
[21:01] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000 what do you think of my edits at the page? (Look through the page's history)
[21:01] <Sp33dyphil> can I improve it?
[21:01] <Demiurge1000> add it to my list
�06[21:01] * Sp33dyphil hates that response :P
[21:01] <Demiurge1000> have you used the checklist against it?
[21:02] <Sp33dyphil> fine, I'll do more CEing
[21:02] <Sp33dyphil> [[WP:CHECKLIST]]? NO
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[21:03] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000 are you editing any article ATM?
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[21:03] <Demiurge1000> yeah, lots
[21:03] <Demiurge1000> how about you?
[21:03] <Sp33dyphil> Hyderabad
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[21:04] <Sp33dyphil> it's a hard nut to crack
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[21:04] <Demiurge1000> can't be that hard, I don't see it on my list
[21:04] <Sp33dyphil> I'm not gonna add it
[21:05] <Sp33dyphil> ok, off for now
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[21:07] <Sp33dyphil> ahhh!
�06[21:07] * SigmaWP screams too
[21:08] <Sp33dyphil> I;m engaged in an argument with Fifelfoo over [[2011 Qantas industrial disputes]]
[21:08] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000, SigmaWP: please have a look at the latest change on the page and tell me what you think
[21:08] <Dragonfly6-7> just kill and eat him
[21:09] <Demiurge1000> mmm, nom nom nom
[21:09] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: I agree with the undo
[21:09] <Sp33dyphil> why?
[21:09] <SigmaWP> Because the quote wasn't.... integrated (or something) with the rest of the text
[21:09] <SigmaWP> Not sure if "integrated" is the right word
[21:09] <SigmaWP> It just doesn't flow very well
[21:10] <Sp33dyphil> the user is saying that the quote has nothing to do with foreignness, when it does
[21:11] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000 ?
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[21:11] <SigmaWP> Yay!
[21:11] <Demiurge1000> yes, hello
[21:11] <Sp33dyphil> see request above
�06[21:11] * LauraHale waves to Sp33dyphil 
[21:11] <LauraHale> :D
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[21:13] <Sp33dyphil> hi
[21:13] <Steven_Zhang> Lol
[21:13] <Steven_Zhang> Hai!
[21:13] <Sp33dyphil> holla
[21:14] <LauraHale> How are you today?
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[21:15] <Sp33dyphil> good good
�06[21:15] * Sp33dyphil hates hayfever though
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[21:16] <Sp33dyphil> bbl
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[21:21] <Peter-C>  Gawd
[21:21] <Peter-C> I hate Eclipse right now
[21:21] <Dragonfly6-7> and it hates you.
[21:21] <Peter-C> I wanna strange it like LauraHale
�06[21:22] * Peter-C strangles LauraHale with Dragonfly6-7
[21:22] <LauraHale> Um?
[21:22] <Peter-C> LauraHale - I need your help
[21:22] <Peter-C> I have to pitch WLL tomorrow
[21:22] <Peter-C> ideas?
[21:23] <LauraHale> Cool.  What do you have to do?
[21:24] <Peter-C> I need to convince them to let me make a "wiki" class of sorts
[21:25] <Peter-C> I wanna go in there once a week for a month and teach Wikipedia to people
[21:25] <Peter-C> And then use the skills I teach them to make them edit Wikipedia!
[21:26] <Snowolf> Oh dear
�06[21:26] * Peter-C pets Snowolf
[21:26] <Peter-C> Calm down boy!
[21:27] <Snowolf> I'm gonna rebel if you tell all of them to write "Peter-C mounts a wild Snowolf" or whatever it is that you usually greet me by :P
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[21:29] <Peter-C> How interesting would it be if you were to go on Wikipedia one day and people wrote stuff about magestic Snowolfs claiming they were from my class!
[21:30] <Snowolf> :P
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[21:33] <Steven_Zhang> Snowolf: This CVU idea... -__
[21:33] <Snowolf> Steven_Zhang: Esperanza.
[21:33] <Snowolf> Seriously
[21:33] <Snowolf> I thought we got rid of that
[21:33] <Steven_Zhang> We did.
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[21:33] <Peter-C> I just spent 1 hour trying to get the source code of a Android app to learn that it has a shit API and I might as well just start for scratch. That's just great.
[21:33] <Steven_Zhang> It was before my time, but harsh
[21:34] <Ironholds> grar. no caffeine or nicotine.
�06[21:34] * Peter-C feeds Ironholds baby Zhang
[21:34] <Snowolf> Steven_Zhang: got deleted I think two weeks before I started being active on wiki
�06[21:34] * Dagny gives Ironholds Coca Cola
[21:34] <Ironholds> Peter-C: quiet.
[21:34] <Ironholds> Dagny: thanks.
[21:34] <Peter-C> Full of protein
�06[21:34] * Ironholds has to write up all this AFT stuff. eeeeh.
[21:34] <Dagny> I have no nicotine either, but a 2l bottle of coke.
[21:34] <Steven_Zhang> Mostly fat actually.
[21:34] <Peter-C> Better than caffeine
[21:34] <Steven_Zhang> She's a chubby baby :p
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[21:35] <Ironholds> is there anyone here who cares about the AFT, wants to comment on the new version, but doesn't want to have to be arsed to follow the whole thing?
[21:35] <Ironholds> like "I want to make sure X and Y are changed, but I don't give a flying fuck about Z"
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[21:35] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> meep
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[21:36] <Dagny> Ironholds: There's a new version? >.>
[21:36] <LL2|JedIRC> Omg
[21:36] <Snowolf> Steven_Zhang: anyway about that CVU "re-formatting", I really don't get it, how does one come up with the idea that everything else should be under a pretty dormant and loosely organized project that is supposed to coordinate something that was never coordinated and put all of this under the iron grip of a structure that looks like an army to me :S
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[21:36] <Steven_Zhang> I think CVU should stay inactive sorta
[21:36] <Ironholds> Dagny: there's a new version
[21:37] <Ironholds> or, there will be. We're developing it now.
[21:37] <LL2|JedIRC> The terraria boss fight music sounds so awesome when you listen to it playing with the dsi instrumental filter on
[21:37] <Steven_Zhang> I mean we don't have as many issues with vandalism nowadays
[21:37] <Steven_Zhang> Compared to back in 2008
[21:37] <Dagny> Ironholds: What's the new version going to be like?
[21:37] <Steven_Zhang> Before the abuse filter, Ed
[21:37] <Steven_Zhang> Etc
[21:37] <Snowolf> Steven_Zhang: we didn't have edit filters back then
[21:37] <Steven_Zhang> Indeed.
[21:37] <Ironholds> Dagny: replacing the silly "stars" system with actual comments
[21:37] <Ironholds> see [[WP:AFT5]]
�06[21:38] * Dagny goes to look
[21:38] <Aranda56> bleh I give up :(
[21:38] <Snowolf> Steven_Zhang: tho there's still a lot of vandalism, I've done some patrolling like uh, a year ago or so
[21:38] <Snowolf> and there was still a bunch of stuff
[21:38] <Snowolf> or maybe it was more recently
[21:38] <Snowolf> and it seemed like nobody was picking it up :S
[21:38] <Steven_Zhang> Of course there is :p
[21:38] <kylu> ...out of curiosity, what's a revamped CVU going to do that CVN isn't already doing?
[21:38] <Snowolf> kylu: it takes over the world
[21:38] <Snowolf> Literally.
[21:38] <Dagny> Ironholds: Hmm, would that not mean there would be less feedback? People being lazy, I mean
[21:39] <Aranda56> CVU ugh
[21:39] <Aranda56> there's like no point :P
[21:39] <Snowolf> kylu: from the list of things they want to take over at least
�06[21:39] * Aranda56 remembered when CVU was the thing back in 2005 :P
[21:39] <Snowolf> I don't get the point of CVU honestly
[21:39] <Snowolf> Never seen it very useful in my time
[21:39] <Ironholds> Dagny: sure, but 10,000 bits of useful feedback as opposed to 40,000 useless bits?
[21:40] <Dagny> Ironholds: I suppose.
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[21:40] <Snowolf> Somebody reads the AFT data?
[21:40] <Dagny> Ironholds: Well, I am interested in it.
[21:41] <WilliamH_UK> Snowolf did you see my edit at the bottom of the CVU thingy
[21:41] <Snowolf> Ye
[21:41] <Snowolf> As I said
[21:41] <Snowolf> It's the army
[21:41] <Snowolf> General
[21:41] <Snowolf> Lieutenant-General
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[21:42] <Snowolf> Colonel-General
[21:42] <Snowolf> General of the Army
[21:42] <Snowolf> General of the Armies
[21:42] <Snowolf> etc
[21:42] <WilliamH_UK> every edit he makes in favour of that is the nail in the coffin of any future RFA
[21:42] <WilliamH_UK> don't get me wrong, he means well
[21:42] <Aranda56> at least I survived pure fucking hell in RFA
[21:42] <WilliamH_UK> it just can't be reconciled with Wikipedia
[21:42] <SigmaWP> Who?
[21:42] <Snowolf> I get what you mean
[21:42] <Snowolf> and honestly
[21:42] <Snowolf> I don't think that structure
[21:42] <Snowolf> would be recinciled with anything
[21:43] <Snowolf> given the base facts
[21:43] <WilliamH_UK> sigma, see this
[21:43] <WilliamH_UK>
[21:43] <Snowolf> Have a laugh :)
[21:43] <Ironholds> Dagny: any ideas spring to mind, or any comments on existing features?
[21:43] <Snowolf> [sorry but]
[21:43] <Ironholds> if so, there's the talkpage. If that's too heavy, I'm going to be sending out a bi-weekly newsletter.
[21:43] <WilliamH_UK> he has ten edits to SPI related pages
[21:44] <WilliamH_UK> the most recent one was August 2010
[21:44] <WilliamH_UK> >_<
[21:44] <Snowolf> I understand one of this user
[21:44] <Snowolf> is a coordinator
[21:44] <Snowolf> of WP:ABUSE?
[21:44] <Dagny> Ironholds: Ask me two days ago and I'd have been full of them, but I'm still suffering a two-day migraine, heh. I'll watchlist it though, so that I don't forget for when I recover
[21:45] <Snowolf> *these users
[21:45] <Snowolf> "The point of the Administration sub-group is just to handle disputes between chairs, and make sure that the projects are active and up to date... More secretary/counselors than administration." I think that made my day.
[21:45] <Ironholds> Dagny: okie-dokes :)
�06[21:45] * WilliamH_UK shudders
[21:46] <Aranda56> and now my cat ran out the door bleh :(
[21:46] <Snowolf> WilliamH_UK: I wonder if he's Sir Humphrey
[21:46] <WilliamH_UK> Snowolf it made my toes curl
[21:46] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> meep
[21:46] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> beep beep, i'm a jeep.
[21:46] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: I swear, say sheep and I'm calling the stalk
�06[21:46] * SigmaWP goes to get food
[21:46] <Snowolf> WilliamH_UK: :) Seems really something that only Sir Humphrey could concieve :D
[21:47] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> sheep
[21:47] <Ironholds> Snowolf: I dunno, it's a bit paperwork-heavy for Humphrey.
[21:47] <Snowolf> :D
[21:47] <Snowolf> Maybe
[21:47] <Snowolf> but that subgroup
[21:47] <Snowolf> is a straight rip-off of the department for administrative affairs
[21:48] <SigmaWP> WilliamH_UK: Seriously an attempt to bring NPP under CVU???
[21:48] <Snowolf> SigmaWP: and SPI
[21:48] <SigmaWP> Blasphemy!
[21:48] <Snowolf> and everything else
[21:48] <Snowolf> on the planet
[21:48] <WilliamH_UK> pretty much everything
[21:48] <SigmaWP> I'm waiting for him to add RfA there
[21:48] <WilliamH_UK> just so they can collect some hats I guess
[21:48] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> ^ lmao
[21:48] <Snowolf> RfA is directly connected to vandalism
[21:48] <Snowolf> for some of the candidates have done some work on NPPP
[21:48] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> so is RPP
[21:48] <Snowolf> which is hence part of CVU
[21:49] <Snowolf> and hence RfA should be under CVU
[21:49] <WilliamH_UK> RFB too
[21:49] <Aranda56> Snowolf this is stupid CVU :p
[21:49] <WilliamH_UK> put RFB under CVU
[21:49] <Snowolf> Yep
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[21:49] <Aranda56> I left my comment saying I agree with you :P
[21:49] <Snowolf> Also arbcom deals with disputes which are a form of negative editing
[21:49] <Snowolf> so it must be subordinate to the cvu
[21:49] <SigmaWP> Put Jimbo's talk page there too
[21:49] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> WilliamH_UK, you know that RfB doesn't need to be warranted any importance.
[21:49] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> as you well know, administrators are master race.
[21:50] <WilliamH_UK> The joke was that as none of them are admins, RFB under their scope would be completely inconsequential
[21:50] <WilliamH_UK> or even crats
[21:51] <SigmaWP> I oppose this merge thing strongly
[21:51] <Snowolf> No wai!
[21:51] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> If anything, we need a unified deletion process.
[21:51] <SigmaWP> It's a new Esparanza (I haven't seen it in action, but heard it was a real cabal)
[21:51] <Snowolf> Rainbow-Dash-EN: it used to be that way
[21:51] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> and the only reason it got trashed was that it was named Votes for Deletion.
[21:52] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> implying that votes mattered more that argument strength.
[21:52] <Snowolf> That's sometimes true tho
[21:52] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Yeah, it is sometimes.
[21:53] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> but it would be more fitting to have a strong argument over a huge majority at other times.
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[21:53] <Snowolf> Indeed
[21:53] <WilliamH_UK> Snowolf, arbcom under CVU, lol
[21:53] <SigmaWP> Heh
[21:54] <Aranda56> SigmaWP Esperanza was a good idea at first
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[21:54] <Aranda56> than newer users got carried away from the focus
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[21:54] <Snowolf> I don't think anybody's disputing it started with the best intentions
[21:55] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Newfags always get carried away.
[21:55] <Snowolf> But if Esperanza was too much bureacracy (I seem to remember that being one of the arguments against it, but correct me if I'm mistaken in this belief), this CVU "re-formatting" seems on a whole different level
[21:55] <Snowolf> A department to administer the other departments is...
[21:56] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: Get those two userboxes off your userpage
[21:56] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> what userboxes?
[21:56] <SigmaWP> GA
[21:57] <SigmaWP> You made <10 edits to each of those respective articles put together
[21:57] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> are you trolling son?
[21:57] <SigmaWP> You seem to be acquainted with the nuances and neologisms from 4chan
[21:57] <Dragonfly6-7> when isn't he
[21:57] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> ^
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[21:58] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: Nonetheless, that does nothing to address the question
[21:58] <Ironholds> the idea of bringing NPP under CV work is...loathsome, and ignores what the point of NPP is.
[21:58] <SigmaWP> Ironholds: +1
[21:59] <Ironholds> CV work exists to remove junk
[21:59] <SigmaWP> +1
[21:59] <WilliamH_UK> Ironholds pretty much everyone is preaching to the converted
[21:59] <SigmaWP> NPP exists to filter junk
[21:59] <WilliamH_UK> we all are
[21:59] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: wrong
[21:59] <cooljeanius> NPP?
[21:59] <SigmaWP> O.o
[21:59] <SigmaWP> OK
[21:59] <SigmaWP> Not all of it is junk
[21:59] <Ironholds> still missing the point
[21:59] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> New pages patrol.
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[22:00] <cooljeanius> oh ok, right
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[22:00] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> it's meant for people that patrol the recent changes 24/7
[22:00] <Ironholds> no, it's not
[22:00] <tommorris> No, look, it's very simple. Someone creating a new article is not "vandalism".
[22:00] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: Mostly wrong
[22:00] <Ironholds> tommorris: correct
[22:00] <SigmaWP> Most of them are... not sure how to say this
[22:01] <Ironholds> AV work exists to silence those will ill intent
[22:01] <SigmaWP> "good faith vandals", I suppose
[22:01] <tommorris> Christ, don't make me go into a "newbies are mistreated" rant. I'll just invite David Gerard in and he can shout at you.
[22:01] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: bullshit, and wrong bullshit
[22:01] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> good faith vandals. lmao
[22:01] <SigmaWP> Desribe a 10 year old who puts an autobiography on WP
[22:01] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I am going to start calling racist editors good faith vandals now.
[22:01] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: "well-intentioned but ignorant"
[22:01] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> thank you very much, SigmaWP
[22:01] <Aranda56> bleh new rule in the club, you can't smoke weed at work
[22:01] <Snowolf> I like Sigma's name proposal better
[22:02] <Ironholds> vandalism is the intentional graffiting of work
[22:02] <Aranda56> I'm the only one of the promoters who don't do it so ;P
[22:02] <Ironholds> adding stuff that merely falls outside our inclusion guidelines, and not on existing articles, is *not vandalism*
[22:02] <Ironholds> in any way, shape or form.,
[22:02] <tommorris> if making new articles is vandalism, why not put AFD as part of CVU? or Requested Articles?
[22:02] <tommorris> Sigh. Fucking stupid.
[22:02] <tommorris> AFC rather
[22:02] <tommorris> not AfD
[22:02] <Snowolf> tommorris: I thought it was part of their plan already...
[22:02] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: so everything that fails our inclusion criteria is vandalism?
[22:02] <WilliamH_UK> haha
[22:03] <SigmaWP> No...
[22:03] <Ironholds> really? huh. Then why did you include a 10 year old's autobiography?
[22:03] <SigmaWP> I don't know how to explain it, it was the first thing I could put in 3 words
[22:03] <SigmaWP> No
[22:03] <tommorris> The Counter-Vandalism Unit attempts to take over the world. They sound like vandals.
[22:03] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Ironholds.
[22:03] <Snowolf> tommorris: unleash AntiVandalBot
[22:03] <Ironholds> then your understanding of NPP is wrong. It is the platonic form of wrong. A more incorrect understanding of it simply is not possible.
[22:03] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> do you expect the majority of ten year olds to be notable in anyway, shape and form?
[22:03] <WilliamH_UK> well I dunno about anyone else but seeing as Stewards have to deal with cross wiki vandalism, I'm looking forward to the CVU coordinating the next steward elections
[22:03] <SigmaWP> Urgh... I can't explain how that kind of editor is
[22:03] <Ironholds> Rainbow-Dash-EN: no, but that's not the point. The point is that vandalism is malicious, bad faith.
[22:03] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: "ignorant"
[22:04] <Snowolf> Arm yourself with your VandalProof! (was it vandal proof? I can't remember, been too long)
�08[22:04] * derp waves at Snowolf
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[22:04] <SigmaWP> Ignorant then
�08[22:04] <derp> tommorris: unleash VandalBot :P
[22:04] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Hello, Derpy Hooves. :3
[22:04] <SigmaWP> derp: :D
[22:04] <tommorris> All potential admin candidates *could* be vandals. Therefore, the Counter-Vandalism Unit will be taking over the work of the bureaucrats and closing RfAs
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[22:04] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: correct. Now, can you honestly not see the difference between "getting rid of shit" and "dealing with people who don't know much"?
[22:04] <SigmaWP> Of course I can
[22:04] <SigmaWP> It's just poorly phrased
�08[22:04] <{}> Smeargle, do Sketch :P
[22:04] <Ironholds> then NPP does not exist to clear out junk
[22:04] <SigmaWP> As I said, "good faith"
[22:05] <Smeargle> {}: Amg :DD
[22:05] <Ironholds> NPP exists to identify what articles are in need of improvement, to improve them if possible, and to remove them if not.
[22:05] <Smeargle> Smeargle is such an underused pokemon.
�08[22:05] <{}> true
[22:05] <WilliamH_UK> tommorris let's not forget the next CU/OS appointments
[22:05] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Ironholds, some can make a counter-argument to NPP existing to clear out junk.
�08[22:05] <{}> I like how Sketch gets resetted every tenth level
[22:05] <Ironholds> Rainbow-Dash-EN: some would be talking shit.
�08[22:05] <{}> SigmaWP, i made a little perl script that abuses you know what with pure filler vandalism :P
[22:05] <SigmaWP> {}: Your name stands out so much
[22:05] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> If you want my opinion, that's half of NPP's purpose.
[22:06] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> lmao
[22:06] <SigmaWP> Ooh... excellent
[22:06] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: Mostly from people with redlinked talk pages
[22:06] <Ironholds> Rainbow-Dash-EN: half? Not even that. If it is half, only thanks to overactive NPPers
[22:06] <Ironholds> and even if it is? That doesn't make it NPP's core remit.
�08[22:06] <{}> SigmaWP
�08[22:06] <{}> eg
[22:06] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I never said it was it's core purpose.
�08[22:06] <{}>
[22:07] <SigmaWP> Thanks
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�08[22:07] <{}> 1 MB of random data
[22:07] <Ironholds> Rainbow-Dash-EN: no, but SigmaWP did, and that's what I was replying to.
[22:07] <SigmaWP> {}: ...
[22:07] <tommorris> SigmaWP: most of the pages on Special:NewPages now have bluelinked talk pages. why? because I went through and welcomed hundreds of them
[22:07] <SigmaWP> What
[22:08] <Ironholds> tommorris: IDIOT
[22:08] <Ironholds> wait, did you use automated messages or personalised ones?
[22:08] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> So I just installed Solaris on a virtual machine, and the latest version actually has the Mozilla Application Suite installed as the default browser.
[22:08] <SigmaWP> tommorris: Templates discourage new editors
[22:08] <SigmaWP> Somewhere in the summer of research
[22:08] <tommorris> Ironholds: Twinkle. {{Welcome-menu}}
[22:08] <Ironholds> tommorris: IDIOT.
[22:08] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> When the hell was the MAS discontinued, like 07?
[22:09] <Ironholds> the SoR people found guys who get welcome templated are *less likely to edit*
[22:09] <Ironholds> less likely than people who get no message!
[22:09] <WilliamH_UK> how?
[22:09] <SigmaWP> Research
�08[22:09] <{}> SigmaWP, so goatse or GRAWP or filler text
[22:10] <WilliamH_UK> I suspect that might have been a part, yes
[22:10] <SigmaWP> Grawp!
[22:10] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Remember folks, to increase your wikiPenis size, you must always put automatic welcome messages on talk pages.
[22:10] <WilliamH_UK> but how did they come to that conclusion
[22:10] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: Shut up, please
[22:10] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> no I will not shut up, my good sir.
[22:10] <SigmaWP> Then act like you're mature
[22:11] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I'll ponder that thought. :3
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[22:11] <Dcoetzee> WilliamH_UK: Presumably by measuring how long they continued to edit after receiving such a message. It's not exactly a controlled experiment, but it does suggest the answer is not as clear as we think.
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[22:12] <Dcoetzee> {}: Remind me who you are? :-P
[22:12] <tommorris> Ironholds: that may be so, but one of the people who I welcomed posted this -
[22:12] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Dcoetzee, thats Derp
[22:12] <tommorris> Dcoetzee: it's derp, he's just herpderping
[22:12] <Dcoetzee> Ah of course
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[22:12] <Rainbow-Dash-EN>
[22:12] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> beautiful.
�06[22:12] * Dcoetzee hugs derp between angle brackets <>
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[22:12] <tommorris> if you say "derp" frequently enough, the {} opens up and Santorum comes out.
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[22:13] <Dcoetzee> Is santorum capitalised when used as a noun?
[22:13] <SigmaWP> <{}>
[22:13] <tommorris> you can capitalise Santorum however you like.
�06[22:13] * SigmaWP hugs derp between more curl brackets
�06[22:13] * SigmaWP puts subst:! between the brackets
[22:14] <tommorris> if you are one of those horrible liberals who is all up for man-on-dog, capitalization is not a major concern.
[22:14] <Dcoetzee> Rainbow-Dash-EN: I'm entertained by the hatnote on that essay.
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[22:14] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I was attracted to it by the title, alone. :3
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[22:15] <SigmaWP> For fucks sake
[22:16] <SigmaWP>
[22:16] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Ping
[22:16] <Rainbow-Dash-EN>  The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators.
[22:16] <Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: Bad form to link delete actions directly?
[22:16] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> :(
[22:16] <Dcoetzee> :-P
[22:16] <WilliamH_UK> bad form
[22:16] <SigmaWP>
�06[22:16] * Dcoetzee clicks
[22:17] <WilliamH_UK> hoho
[22:17] <WilliamH_UK> that looks familiar
[22:17] <SigmaWP> salt
[22:17] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> pepper
[22:17] <Dcoetzee> No way. It's a recreation of a speedy deleted article which was incorrectly speedy deleted in the first place.
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[22:18] <WilliamH_UK> ...created by checkuser confirmed socks
[22:18] <Dcoetzee> Oh
[22:18] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> is the sockmaster banned?
[22:18] <Dcoetzee> Why is Mafraj not blocked then?
[22:18] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> if so, bomb it with G5
�06[22:19] * Dcoetzee checks out SPI case
[22:19] <Dcoetzee> I don't see any confirmation at
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[22:19] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> 1.75x amplified quack of ultimate destiny
[22:19] <Dcoetzee> Sangrene17 also not blocked.
[22:20] <SigmaWP> They're just frineds
[22:20] <SigmaWP> or something
[22:20] <SigmaWP> or socks
[22:21] <WilliamH_UK> they're socks
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[22:21] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I can tell by the 1.75x amplified quack
[22:21] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> thanks Beta.
[22:21] <Peter-C> Hello
[22:22] <Peter-C> Anyone here in the NY tri-state area?
[22:22] <Dcoetzee> They're not official socks until confirmed at SPI.
[22:22] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Si.
[22:22] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: William is CU
[22:22] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> what's up Peter-c/
[22:22] <Dcoetzee> Oh
[22:22] <Dcoetzee> Well still, has to be on wiki.
[22:22] <Peter-C> Rainbow-Dash-EN - Really, you are?
[22:22] <Dcoetzee> Can't act based on off wiki info.
[22:22] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I was.
[22:22] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> :3
[22:22] <Peter-C> >_>
[22:22] <WilliamH_UK> already blocked them, i'll do the clerking stuff, no worries
[22:23] <Dcoetzee> Okay if they're blocked that's evidence enough for me.
[22:25] <WilliamH_UK> all blocked
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[22:25] <WilliamH_UK> and tagged
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[22:25] <Dcoetzee> It still wasn't really a G5 since the user wasn't already blocked. But I just IARed it.
[22:26] <SigmaWP> Salt please
[22:26] <LL2|JedIRC> Salt and pepper it
�08[22:26] <{}> SigmaWP: Goatse OR Trollface?
[22:26] <Dcoetzee> Salt won't help, they'll switch titles.
[22:26] <SigmaWP> Goatse
[22:26] <Dcoetzee> Okay okay I'll salt it anyway.
[22:26] <Dcoetzee> It's not like it's a useful title.
[22:27] <Dcoetzee> There done.
[22:28] <WilliamH_UK> highly likely socks
[22:28] <WilliamH_UK> behavioural giveaway
�08[22:29] <{}> god
�08[22:29] <{}> i love mIRC trojans :P
[22:30] <Dcoetzee> derp: Are you an mIRC trojan?
�08[22:30] <{}> yes :P
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[22:30] <Dcoetzee> derp: Awesome, you were totally passing the Turing test for me.
[22:31] <Dcoetzee> Speaking of the Turing test, have you guys heard the news about Cleverbot's latest success? It's pretty damn impressive.
�08[22:31] <{}> heh
�08[22:31] <{}> true
�08[22:31] <{}> now vandalizing Conservapedia's most popular articles
[22:31] <Dcoetzee> "A high-powered version of Cleverbot took part alongside humans in a formal Turing Test at the Techniche 2011 festival. The results from 1,334 votes were astonishing... Cleverbot was judged to be 59.3% human.  The humans in the event achieved just 63.3%. "
[22:32] <Dcoetzee> I prefer not to actively tear down Conservapedia, that just gives them ammo... they do themself in by being ridiculously biased.
�08[22:33] <{}> lol
�08[22:33] <{}> Dcoetzee, i'm using another way :)
[22:33] <Dcoetzee> What's that?
�08[22:33] <{}> bandwidth leeching :)
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[22:34] <Dcoetzee> Sounds like a waste of bandwidth to me. :-P
�08[22:35] <{}> :P
[22:35] <Dcoetzee> Seriously, I really think we can let Conservapedia die on its own merits.
�08[22:35] <{}> not a single user anyways
[22:35] <WilliamH_UK> we can indeed
�08[22:36] <{}> yep
[22:36] <WilliamH_UK> and i'd say that vandalism of other wikis isn't appropriate chat for here
[22:36] <Dcoetzee> Anyone who is misled by reading Conservapedia is not a critical reader.
[22:36] <Dcoetzee> Its damage to the world is limited.
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[22:41] <WilliamH_UK> I wish Rainbow-Dash-EN was as funny as he thinks he is
[22:41] <Dcoetzee> He's new to me. Is he same as User:Rainbow Dash?
[22:42] <WilliamH_UK> apparently
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[22:42] <Snowolf> Now for the good question, who's User:Rainbow Dash? :D
[22:42] <Dcoetzee> Relatively new user.
[22:42] <Dcoetzee> Obviously an MLP fan.
[22:43] <Snowolf> Yeah
[22:43] <Snowolf> Brony
�06[22:43] * Dcoetzee also brony so not complaining about that
�06[22:43] * Dagny sneakily high-fives Dcoetzee
[22:43] <Dcoetzee> :-)
�06[22:43] * Dcoetzee high-fives Dagny
[22:43] <Dagny> That should be probably be a brohoof.
[22:44] <Dagny> But I never said that.
[22:44] <Dcoetzee> Can pegasisters do brohoof? I'm not sure :-P
[22:44] <Aranda56> Snowolf some user who left this personal attack on NuclearWarfare on a TFD the other day
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[22:48] <Dcoetzee> What in the fuck.
[22:48] <Dcoetzee> Someone just accused me of trying to out them.
[22:49] <Dcoetzee> Oh I see. It's because they're a Conservapedia editor.
[22:49] <milo_went> that's certainly outing them, that connection.
[22:49] <milo_went> "this person may believe bullshit"
[22:50] <Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee - how do you know it's a CP editor?
[22:50] <Snowolf> "I know when I see it"
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[22:50] <Dcoetzee> They copied articles from Conservapedia. Then claimed they weren't copyvios because they wrote them.
�03[22:50] * Looking up ^ user info...
[22:50] <cooljeanius> wat
�08[22:50] <^> wat
[22:50] <Dragonfly6-7> cooljeanius - that ALMOST makes sense
[22:51] <Dcoetzee> Now they're bitching at me because their Conservapedia username is apparently their real name? Whatever.
[22:51] <Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee - tell them "all original material on Conservapedia is copyright of ASchlafly. Read the TOS."
[22:51] <Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee = ignore the Conservapedia username.
[22:51] <cooljeanius> in other news I had an interesting discussion today with my school's philosophy club about the epistemology underlying Wikipedia
[22:51] <Dcoetzee> Dragonfly6-7: Geoff says otherwise
[22:51] <Dragonfly6-7> Geoff?
[22:51] <Dcoetzee> WMF lawyer?
[22:52] <Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee - he shouldn't have any professional opinion on Conservapedia content.
[22:52] <WilliamH_UK> is anyone good with template vandalism
[22:52] <WilliamH_UK> this desperately needs to be fixed
[22:52] <Snowolf> Dragonfly6-7: that would be an opinion not on the content but on the licensing
[22:52] <Dcoetzee>
[22:53] <Aranda56> WilliamH_UK which template?
[22:53] <WilliamH_UK> nvm
[22:53] <Dragonfly6-7>
[22:54] <Aranda56> WilliamH_UK just advise if you see template that looks vandalized and you didn't see an edit, that's probably because another template used in the template was vandalized
[22:54] <Dcoetzee> Dragonfly6-7: Conservapedia's copyright policy makes zero sense
[22:54] <Dcoetzee> Dragonfly6-7: They apparently don't transfer copyright from contributors but then they "grant a license" to reuse it? How?
[22:54] <mindspillage> Dragonfly6-7: that's not a professional opinion on Conservapedia, it's a professional opinion on how copyright works.
[22:55] <WilliamH_UK> yes I realise that
[22:55] <WilliamH_UK> all fixed
[22:55] <Dcoetzee> Obviously Conservapedia isn't hiring any lawyers... or reasonably well-informed people. :-P
[22:55] <Aranda56> ok
[22:55] <Dragonfly6-7> mindspillage - since Conservapedia's copyright policy 'makes zero sense", it would probably be wisest of us to not use any of their content.
[22:55] <Dragonfly6-7> just to be on the safe side.
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[22:55] <mindspillage> If they really did write the conservapedia article, they have the right to do anything else with the content they want.
[22:56] <Dcoetzee> They do, but we still need to confirm that.
[22:56] <Dcoetzee> The WP user merely saying they are the same user isn't enough.
[22:56] <mindspillage> ::nods::
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[22:56] <Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee - oh, also, is there any chance the content is remotely useful?
[22:57] <Dcoetzee> Yeah it's pretty good content. It's been around for years and mostly cleaned of bias since then by other users.
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[22:58] <Dragonfly6-7> Conservapedia's official policy on new users:
[22:58] <Dragonfly6-7> New users at Conservapedia often need to be watched closely, as many of them have come only to commit vandalism
[22:59] <Aranda56> Conservapedia "vandalism" is probably users adding correct information on their articles
[22:59] <Dcoetzee> A wiki where many new users are vandals. Unimaginable.
[23:00] <Aranda56> and it's against their beliefs
[23:00] <Dragonfly6-7> Dcoetzee - okay, what's the content?
[23:00] <Seddon|Busy> its horseshit of the highest degree
[23:01] <Dcoetzee> Oh wait I got confused.
[23:01] <Dcoetzee> Geoff is not the WMF lawyer.
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[23:01] <Dcoetzee> This is Geoff Plourde. He's a random user who thinks he understands law but is obviously totally clueless.
[23:02] <Dcoetzee> Awesome. :-/
[23:02] <Snowolf> lol I was looking at that user page and went
[23:03] <Snowolf> uh
[23:03] <Snowolf> is this really the wmf lawyer?
[23:03] <Bsadowski1> Dcoetzee:
[23:03] <Snowolf> Seems so weird
[23:03] <Snowolf> oh well, the foundation, you know... :)
[23:03] <Dcoetzee> I got mixed up because the WMF lawyer is also named Geoff.
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[23:06] <Dcoetzee>
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[23:06] <Dcoetzee> See a brief summary of the articles and the issues there.
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[23:16] <WilliamH_UK> look at CVU now
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[23:17] <Dcoetzee> WilliamH_UK: What about it?
[23:18] <WilliamH_UK> massive copy paste move lol
[23:18] <WilliamH_UK> of the discussion
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[23:20] <Dcoetzee> I must be looking at the wrong page.
[23:20] <Dcoetzee> Not WP:CVU?
[23:21] <WilliamH_UK>
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[23:36] <Ironholds> what a moronic discussion
[23:36] <Ironholds> whelp, I guess I'll just have to delete the discussion page
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[23:38] <Ironholds> page deleted
�06[23:41] * SigmaWP observes the commentary and is confused
[23:41] <SigmaWP> Does anyone here have a JSTOR account?
[23:41] <Dcoetzee> I have one...
[23:41] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: Excellent. I'll be needing several hundred papers that come up when you search "coal balls".
[23:41] <eeekster> "What copyright issue?"
[23:42] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Everything is bold.
[23:42] <eeekster> indeed
[23:42] <SigmaWP> Exactly.
[23:42] <eeekster>
[23:42] <Dcoetzee> eeekster: Sarcasm I assume? :-P
[23:42] <eeekster> yes, sheldon, it's sarcasm
[23:42] <SigmaWP> oh, talk page
[23:43] <Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: I'm pretty sure that's against the JSTOR terms :-P
[23:43] <SigmaWP> eeekster: See, those talk pages are often funny :P
[23:43] <eeekster> the ol' "who me?"
[23:43] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: :(
�06[23:43] * SigmaWP wanted to write a FA
[23:43] <Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: If you have a specific paper you want I can help you out. :-
[23:43] <eeekster> the username seems a bit like a publicity compnay too
[23:44] <SigmaWP> I have two
[23:44] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee: and
[23:46] <SigmaWP> Aha
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[23:47] <SigmaWP> 2.    Uses of Licensed Content.
[23:47] <SigmaWP> (f)    downloading Textual Content to view, use and display including on a personal digital device (e.g. mobile devices, e-readers, and personal computers);
[23:47] <Demiurge1000> Ironholds: If I wasn't busy laughing myself silly, I might moan at you for deleting my latest (one-line) addition to the encyclopedia (or discussion thereof) :D
[23:48] <Ironholds> Demiurge1000: *bows*
[23:49] <Dcoetzee> SigmaWP: I can grab those for you... need your e-mail
[23:49] <Demiurge1000> I'd made a note of what a weird and stupid thing that was for them to do, I just hadn't noticed the copyvio. Tee hee.
[23:49] <SigmaWP> Dcoetzee:
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[23:50] <Dcoetzee> Copying within Wikipedia is not normally a cause for deletion, since we can add attribution after the fact... but in this case that page probably would've gone down at MfD anyway.
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[23:50] <sonia> ohai Dcoetzee
[23:50] <Ironholds> hey, AndrewN
�06[23:50] * Dcoetzee hugs sonia tight.
[23:50] <Ironholds> sonia! Just the person
[23:50] <sonia> hi!
[23:50] <sonia> what's up?
[23:50] <Dcoetzee> sonia: Hey :-)
[23:51] <Pilif12p>
[23:51] <sonia> Dcoetzee: this re conservapedia et al?
[23:51] <Dcoetzee> Nah some weird thing going at CVU that IH just purged.
[23:51] <SigmaWP> sonia: Have you seen what derp did to it?
[23:51] <sonia> to what?
[23:52] <SigmaWP> conservapedia
[23:52] <sonia>
[23:52] <SigmaWP>
[23:52] <Dcoetzee> We really should not promote vandalism of any project. Even if it is really funny.
[23:52] <harej> ^
[23:52] <SigmaWP> Aww
[23:54] <sonia> I can't even load those diffs
[23:54] <sonia> Ironholds: what's up?
[23:54] <Ironholds> sonia: AFT5!
[23:54] <Dcoetzee> If you visit the revision it's got an ASCII goatse + LOLWUT pear and Grawp in the header.
[23:54] <sonia> right- what about it?
[23:54] <sonia> feedback?
[23:55] <Queen> SigmaWP, does Conservapedia ever indef block accounts?
[23:55] <SigmaWP> Queen: I've only seen a few.
[23:55] <SigmaWP> The rest are 1, 2, or 5 years
[23:56] <Queen> What would they do in say.... 2 years when all those accounts blocks are over and someone remembers them all?
[23:56] <Dcoetzee> I don't see the point of not indeffing an obvious vandalism only account trying very hard to cause maximal damage. :-P
[23:56] <SigmaWP> Queen: Exactly.
[23:56] <SigmaWP> I have a gigantic sleeping sock army at that site.
[23:56] <Ironholds> sonia: indeed!
[23:56] <SigmaWP> Phillips, T.L., 1980, Stratigraphic and geographic occurrences of permineralized coal-swamp plants - Upper Carboniferous of North America and Europe, in D.L. Dilcher and T.N. Taylor, eds., Biostratigraphy of fossil plants, successional and paleoecological analyses: Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, Dowden, Hutchinson & Ross, Inc
�06[23:56] * SigmaWP needs that
[23:56] <Ironholds> we'll be holding an NZ-acceptable office hours session if you don't want the talkpage
[23:56] <Queen> I'm going to guess the 500 error is from them editing the localsettings.php
[23:57] <SigmaWP> Queen: They lock the wiki every vandal attack
[23:57] <Queen> I know, by them removing the edit right from *
[23:57] <Dragonfly6-7> and the ylock it every night, yes?
[23:58] <sonia> Ironholds: uh ok, lemme know when that is
[23:58] <SigmaWP> Dragonfly6-7: Yep
[23:58] <Ironholds> sonia: will do :)
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