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Session Start: Wed Nov 02 15:39:39 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[15:39] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[15:39] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�'
�03[15:39] * Set by derp!~omg@bas7-montrealak-1128544932.dsl.bell.ca on Sun Oct 23 21:29:19
[15:39] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
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�08[15:42] * douche hugs Fluffernutter
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[15:42] <Fluffernutter> hmm
[15:43] <Steven_Zhang> Morning fluffy
�08[15:43] <douche> Afternoon, Steven_Zhang.
[15:43] <Steven_Zhang> lies/
�03[15:43] * BewareofDoug is now known as Doug|afk
�08[15:43] <douche> liez 
�08[15:45] <douche> howdy mr steve.
[15:46] <Steven_Zhang> howdy
�08[15:46] <douche> how's the land down under?
[15:46] <Fluffernutter> hi Steven_Zhang
[15:46] <Steven_Zhang> :>
[15:46] <LauraHale> I have learned that HJ Mitchell is female.
[15:46] <Steven_Zhang> :)
[15:46] <Steven_Zhang> o_O
[15:46] <LauraHale> The land down under is a bit chilly but nice.
�08[15:46] * douche hugs LauraHale
�08[15:46] <douche> fresh bread rocks :D
[15:47] <LauraHale> Qantas is still here, not being a national icon but instead opting for American like pariah.
�06[15:47] * LauraHale pat pats douche 
�03[15:47] * douche is now known as derp
[15:47] <Guest15476> 'Qantas'   Quite a Nasty Tendency Against Strikers ;)(
�08[15:48] <derp> heh
[15:49] <Fluffernutter> HJ Mitchell is a girl? are you sure?
[15:49] <Steven_Zhang> yeah and is the CEO irish?
�03[15:49] * phuzion_ is now known as phuzion
[15:49] <LauraHale> Yes, that's tem.
[15:49] <LauraHale> Fluffernutter: Quite sure. ;)  Sad but true.
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[15:49] <PeterSymonds> He always came across so male.
[15:50] <LauraHale> Steven_Zhang: Yes, an Irish bloke
[15:50] <LauraHale> PeterSymonds: It is all in the writing.
[15:50] <PeterSymonds> Yes.
�06[15:50] * Aranda56 confused
�06[15:50] * Fluffernutter is so confused
�08[15:50] * derp hugsl PeterSymonds
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[15:50] <Fluffernutter> PeterSymonds doesn't actually exist, silly derp
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[15:51] <PeterSymonds> Nonsense. I even have an article.
[15:51] <Steven_Zhang> PeterSymonds: hey, can i have a word of advice?
[15:51] <PeterSymonds> Can you have or give?
[15:51] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah! Peter is like 400 years old.
�08[15:51] <derp> yeah
[15:51] <Steven_Zhang> No, have
[15:51] <PeterSymonds> Okay.
�08[15:51] <derp> he's not older than Chtulu
[15:51] <Steven_Zhang> I'm looking at closing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shelly_Yachimovich#Requested_move
[15:51] <Guest15476> Good evening
[15:51] <PeterSymonds> We went to the same school, though, derp.
[15:51] <Guest15476> ;0
�08[15:52] <derp> o rly
[15:52] <Fluffernutter> somebody's guest is showing...
[15:52] <Guest15476> nick Qcoder00
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[15:52] <Steven_Zhang> per COMMONNAME the current title is correct, though
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[15:52] <Steven_Zhang> common name also says "...ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined by reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources"
�06[15:52] * PeterSymonds spreads Qcoder00's IP throughout the western world.
�06[15:52] * Qcoder00 tries tightning the string connecting his router to the world
[15:53] <Qcoder00> ;)
�08[15:53] * derp nmaps Qcoder00's IP.
[15:53] <Steven_Zhang> and their official site http://www.shelly.org.il/node/2011 does have the proposed new title as the correct name
[15:53] <Qcoder00> PeterSymonds: It's a pool address
[15:53] <Qcoder00> So it changes
[15:53] <Steven_Zhang> so, Peter, how would you close in this situation?
[15:54] <PeterSymonds> Well, I agree with Commonname; but as it stands, there is clearly no consensus for a move.
[15:54] <DarkoNeko> zzz =_=
[15:54] <PeterSymonds> DarkoNeko's getting electrocuted again.
�08[15:54] <derp> bonne nuit DarkoNeko
[15:54] <DarkoNeko> if by electroctued you mean sleepy, then yes
[15:54] <Steven_Zhang> Hm, close as no consensus?
�06[15:54] * DarkoNeko waves to derp
[15:54] <PeterSymonds> Yes, Steven.
�06[15:55] * M132T003C looks again to see if there is any hope of WP:COMMONNAME changing any time soon…
[15:55] <Steven_Zhang> Okay.
�08[15:55] <derp> PeterSymonds, delete and salt.
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[15:55] <PeterSymonds> After all, it's already been relisted.
[15:55] <Steven_Zhang> yer
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[15:55] <Steven_Zhang> i annoyed a lot of admins yesterday >_>
[15:55] <Steven_Zhang> did a RM that in the end needed an admin to do a G6 -_-
[15:56] <PeterSymonds> Fool of a took.
�08[15:56] <derp> like a g6
[15:56] <Steven_Zhang> hey, someone has to do it :P
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�08[15:56] * derp iTunes Fichier audio AAC acheté �Far East Movement, The Cataracs & Dev - Like a G6� 3:36 256kbit/s
[15:57] SpamTunes running.
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�08[15:57] * derp is now playing on iTunes : �Duck Sauce - Barbra Streisand (Original Mix)� 4:57 256kbit/s
�08[15:57] <derp> there¸
�08[15:57] <derp> fixed.
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[15:58] <Steven_Zhang> barbra streisand :P
[15:58] <Steven_Zhang> hey Stelpa
�06[15:58] * Peter-C walks in
[15:58] <PeterSymonds> Stelpa isn't Barbara Streisand.
[15:59] <Stelpa> :O
[15:59] <Stelpa> PeterSymonds: HOW HAVE YOU FOUND OUT MY TRUE IDENTITY ;_;
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�08[15:59] * derp is now playing on iTunes : �Unk - Walk It Out� 2:33 126kbit/s
[15:59] <PeterSymonds> eBay.
�08[15:59] <derp> for you Peter-C.
�03[16:00] * Looking up Stelpa user info...
�08[16:00] * derp huggles Stelpa tightly.
[16:00] <Peter-C> hullu
�08[16:01] <derp> Wikipedia live internet radio?
[16:03] <Steven_Zhang> PeterSymonds: Hows this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shelly_Yachimovich#Requested_move
[16:04] <PeterSymonds> Awful.
[16:04] <Steven_Zhang> you couldn't have read it that fast.
[16:04] <PeterSymonds> No, it's fine.
[16:04] <Fluffernutter> Awful
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> -_-
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> fine, you go clear the requested moves backlog :P
[16:05] <PeterSymonds> Nah, we'd rather criticise the others doing it.
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> 9_9\
[16:05] <Steven_Zhang> by the way Peter, I got a reminder of how your account looks yesterday
[16:06] <PeterSymonds> Oh right.
[16:06] <PeterSymonds> Did you steal somebody else's password?
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> rounded tabs
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> XD
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> lol. no
[16:06] <Fluffernutter> >_>
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> Sigma told me to put something in my css
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> rounded tabs
�06[16:06] * Fluffernutter listens to the background music screech to a discordant halt
[16:06] <PeterSymonds> I use Vector now. Have done since it started.
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[16:07] <Steven_Zhang> ew, vector :P
[16:07] <PeterSymonds> Though you're right; I did prefer rounded tabs to those horrible square ones.
[16:09] <Steven_Zhang> rounded tabs doesn't work in safari :(
[16:09] <PeterSymonds> Well I would never recommend using Wikipedia in the company of lions and tigers.
[16:10] <Steven_Zhang> eh
[16:11] <PeterSymonds> Never mind.
[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> :O
[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> :o
[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> :o
[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> :D
[16:15] <Aranda|brb> :(
[16:15] <Aranda|brb> :'(
[16:15] <Aranda|brb> :-p
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�06[16:21] * Aranda|brb lost 60 dollars today out of my wallet idk how
[16:22] <PeterSymonds> Did it happen at a shop next to a till?
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�08[16:23] <derp> i have your 60$
[16:23] <Aranda|brb> i opened my wallet to pay for a sandwich and money wasn't there :'(
[16:23] <Aranda|brb> thank god for credit cards :D
[16:24] <PeterSymonds> That's an expensive sandwich.
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[16:25] <Fluffernutter> mm sandwich
�08[16:25] <derp> yay for small local bakeries :D
[16:26] <Aranda|brb> yea in miami sandwiches are 60 dollars :p
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�08[16:26] <derp> MIAMI!
�08[16:26] <derp>  <3 MIami :D <3
[16:27] <Aranda|brb> bleh it was my food money for the weekend those 60 dollars :(
�08[16:27] <derp> Aranda|brb, is Miami starting to fill up with RV's?
�06[16:28] * Aranda|brb have to pay rent, car payment, credit card payment, light bill, internet bill, more bills :'(
[16:28] <Aranda|brb> RVs?
�08[16:28] <derp> Recreational Vehicles
�08[16:28] <derp> large cars that looks like mobile houses.
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[16:29] <Fluffernutter> when i grow up, I'm going to figure out a way to not have bills
[16:29] <Steven_Zhang> Oh thank god.
[16:29] <Hurricanefan25> College tuitions are insane
[16:29] <Steven_Zhang> Sarah Palin will not run for president.
[16:29] <Hurricanefan25> I'm going to make sure I'm famous :P
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[16:29] <Hurricanefan25> So I don't have to pay my bills. I'll just tell them who I am. ;)
�08[16:29] <derp> Hurricanefan25, go to Québec, it's pretty cheap over there.
[16:29] <PeterSymonds> I'm running for President.
[16:30] <Hurricanefan25> Sure, I'll vote for you.
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[16:30] <PeterSymonds> Thank you.
�08[16:30] <PatarSymonds> you're completely ineligible, PeterSymonds
[16:30] <Fluffernutter> '''oppose''' Evil overlords do not also need to be presidents
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[16:30] <Aranda|brb> derp no never
[16:31] <Aranda|brb> RV's don't go to Miami
�08[16:31] <derp> Fort Lauerdale?
[16:31] <Aranda|brb> derp maybe there
�08[16:31] <derp> Or even Hollywood, FL :P
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�06[16:32] * Hurricanefan25 checks the ballot
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[16:32] <PeterSymonds> Why am I ineligible? Is it because I'm not American?
[16:32] <PeterSymonds> That's so prejudiced.
[16:33] <Fluffernutter> you also seem to have dropped a few of the necessary years somewhere
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[16:40] <Hurricanefan25> Meh
[16:40] <Hurricanefan25> Dumb templates
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[16:47] <Aranda|brb> yay WikiCup
�06[16:47] * Aranda|brb makes everyone in IRC join :D
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[16:48] <Aranda|brb> who ever wins the IRC wikicup gets a reward :P
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[16:55] <matthewrbowker> 'hey now, I don't wanna die!
[16:56] <Aranda|brb> so join :D
[16:56] <matthewrbowker> I don't have time :(
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[16:58] <Aranda|brb> matthewrbowker you could advance by one FA a month ;p
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�06[16:59] * Fluffernutter hits derp with a pizza
�08[16:59] <derp> finally, after 6 days of preventive boiling, it has been lifted.
[16:59] <matthewrbowker> Aranda|brb: I'm not sure I even have that much time. :(
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�08[17:01] <derp> no.
�08[17:01] <derp> just no.
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[17:12] <Ironholds> oh fuck
[17:12] <Ironholds> where's Sven?
[17:12] <Ironholds> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wikipedia_is_a_mess_wikipedians_say_1_in_20_articl.php
[17:12] <Ironholds> Maryana: thank you for setting up the meeting with Aaron. Please apologise to him on my behalf for the endless nattering and odd tangental anecdotes :P
[17:13] <Maryana> aaron m?
[17:14] <Maryana> it's ok, that's his job :)
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[17:15] <Dragonfly6-7> [[Cultural Detective]]  -    does anyone understand what this actually *is* ?
�06[17:15] * Dragonfly6-7 has read it, and it's.... I have no idea.
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[17:16] <Ironholds> Maryana: well, yes, but...
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[17:17] <Ironholds> put it this way. an hour meeting turned into an hour and 45 minutes, and by the end he was buying sci-fi books at my urging while chatting to me
[17:17] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds - which authors?
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[17:17] <Ironholds> my sherlockian instincs say we may have wandered down the garden path
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[17:17] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: Alastair Reynolds - "The Prefect"
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[17:17] <Ironholds> we were discussing the demarchical governance model used there.
[17:18] <Dragonfly6-7> ah
[17:18] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds, do you see any way that [[Cultural Detective]] can be made into anything remotely useful?
[17:18] <Ironholds> well, you could print it out and do origami
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[17:19] <Dragonfly6-7> hey, Fumika. Connection problems?
[17:19] <Fumika> Always :/
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[17:25] <Champion> Hi
[17:25] <Dragonfly6-7> hi, Champion
[17:26] <Steven_Zhang> Hungry
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[17:28] <Champion> I have an inquiry which may be resolved by users from this channel, although it might be slightly offtopic. I'd like to sometimes join for a chat with professionals who are studying their MSc or PhD. Regular IRC users tend to be a bit disappointing, if you know what I mean. Any idea what channel may be appropriate?
[17:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hail to you Champion
[17:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ChanServ I am a MSc student
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[17:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> * Champion
[17:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tab complete fail :(
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[17:29] <Champion> ToAruShiroiNeko Hi
[17:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Champion whats your field?
[17:29] <Qcoder00> Champion: This is freenode , try #math or #physics
[17:29] <Qcoder00> ;)
[17:29] <Steven_Zhang> PeterSymonds: Have you got a link to the rangeblock calculator?
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[17:29] <PeterSymonds> http://toolserver.org/~chm/blockcalc.php
[17:30] <Steven_Zhang> Ta
[17:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> PeterSymonds is that your tool?
[17:30] <PeterSymonds> No.
[17:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you dont have a tool?
[17:31] <PeterSymonds> No.
[17:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> poor you
[17:31] <Champion> Qcoder00, actually, I'm studying MSc Software Engineering and I have 5 years' experience in the field. I'm not looking exactly for math and physics geeks, but rather for a channel where we can have a friendly chat jut about anything for as long as it has a proper level.
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[17:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Champion #ai ?
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[17:35] <tommorris> Champion: well, I'm a Ph.D student. ;-)
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[17:36] <Dragonfly6-7> what subject?
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[17:36] <tommorris> philosophy
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[17:37] <tommorris> [[Alvin Plantinga]] specifically
[17:37] <Steven_Zhang> Lol peter doesn't have a tool
[17:37] <Steven_Zhang> Aranda|brb: When will you be back? :p
[17:37] <Champion> tommorris, excellent! I've been looking for someone like that to have some chat about our academic experience
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[17:38] <Champion> tommorris, the reason is I study part-time, so I miss the contact with other students. We see each other only twice a week during lectures and seminars.
[17:39] <Steven_Zhang> Lol, qantas might be going to arbitration
[17:39] <matthewrbowker> Peter-C: Hey now, we need Gfoley4!
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[17:40] <matthewrbowker> Gfoley4: You forgot your leg!
[17:40] <Peter-C> ^
[17:40] <matthewrbowker> Peter-C: ... Thank ... you...?!
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[17:40] <Peter-C> Welcome
[17:40] <Peter-C> Enjoy your leg
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[17:41] <Gfoley4> yes hello
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[17:41] <matthewrbowker> Gfoley4: Long time no see!
[17:42] <Peter-C> Gfoley4 - do you still wnat your leg
[17:42] <Gfoley4> laptop has been being bad.
[17:42] <Gfoley4> Peter-C: yes
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[17:44] <Champion> tommorris oh, I see. You just wanted to brag you're a PhD student. No chat component is intended.
[17:44] <Champion> * included
[17:44] <Peter-C> http://gizmodo.com/5855769/neanderthals-and-modern-humans-totally-hung-out
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[17:46] <tommorris> Champion: I'm busy.
[17:46] <tommorris> IRC is not obligatory.
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[17:47] <Champion> tommorris, yes, you're not interested.
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[17:48] <Steven_Zhang> .
[17:49] <Ironholds> tommorris: there are two options here
[17:50] <Ironholds> either one, he's deliberately being condescending to judge our reactions as part of his MSc
[17:50] <Ironholds> or two, he's deliberately being condescending. :P
[17:50] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds - or he could just be a chatbot
[17:51] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: nobody said chatbots couldn't be condescending
[17:51] <Dragonfly6-7> "Take the prisoner downstairs", he said condescendingly.
[17:51] <Champion> Ironholds, :)
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[17:51] <Trijnstel> @admins, please delete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Clauddettejkel
[17:51] <Trijnstel> (crosswiki spam)
[17:52] <Ironholds> Champion: I am perfectly happy to talk to you, personally
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[17:53] <Champion> Ironholds, option 3: I'm deliberately being condescending, but for some other reason than to judge your reactions
[17:53] <Demiurge1000> But not professionally.
[17:53] <Dragonfly6-7> gone
[17:53] <Ironholds> I am *not* a philosophy PhD student like tommorris, you can tell because I will eventually have a career ;p
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[17:53] <bep> hello.
[17:53] <Ironholds> Champion: this is true
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[17:54] <Champion> Ironholds, cool, what career are you after?
[17:54] <Ironholds> no idea yet. At the moment I'm a contractor for the WMF.
[17:54] <bep> i need a new chan with intelligent people in
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[17:55] <Ironholds> I engage with the community and suchlike. so I guess I might have a career ahead of me as a sort of all-purpose "that's a really great idea! you! what idea do YOU have! that's AWESOME AS WELL!" guy.
[17:55] <shimgray> Ironholds: can you do me a thirty-second favour?
[17:55] <bep> not the same old tired idiots i talk to day after day.
[17:55] <shimgray> https://bo.wikipedia.org/ - does Tibetan text render for you?
[17:55] <Ironholds> shimgray: okay, I don't know what the ex told you, but that was a ONE TIME thing and I was very tired.
[17:55] <Trijnstel> Dragonfly6-7: thanks
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[17:56] <Ironholds> srsly though, what do you need? :P
[17:56] <shimgray> I've got a complaint that Tibetan doesn't render in PDFs
[17:56] <Ironholds> oookay
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[17:56] <Champion> Ironholds, just between us, tomorris is a very smart student who definitely knows what (s)he is doing when (s)he doesn't want to chat with me now. I'm sure there is something better (s)he has to do instead. So eventually, if there was nothing to do (and there is always something), (s)he would join us in the conversation.
[17:56] <shimgray> so I'm trying to replicate it and figure out where the problem lies, but Tibetan doesn't render for me anyway :-)
[17:57] <Ironholds> give me a second to ring my good friend the Dalai Lama
[17:57] <Ironholds> shimgray: find me a tibetan page, I'll give it a go
[17:57] <shimgray> lead of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_language
[17:57] <Ironholds> Champion: it's not between us, it's between everyone in the channel :P
[17:57] <Ironholds> and yes, I know tommorris IRL. His intelligence scares the shit out of me
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[17:57] <bep> :(
[17:57] <Champion> Ironholds, that depends on how you look at that
[17:58] <Ironholds> shimgray: renders fine.
[17:58] <shimgray> I get rendering errors in the PDF, but as I say, I get them in the wiki too.
�06[17:58] * Champion is sure there is no point chatting with Ironholds
[17:58] <Ironholds> shimgray: want me to copy text, make a PDF then?
�06[17:58] * Ironholds is sure Champion is trolling or trying to get a rise ;p
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[17:58] <shimgray> just use "download as PDF" in the sidebar?
�06[17:58] * Champion knows Ironholds is wrong again
[17:58] <Ironholds> shimgray: that's what I'm doing, ya
[17:58] <Ironholds> Champion: yeah, fucked for me as well
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[17:59] <Ironholds> it has those wee empty boxes computers use when they realise "err, hangon, I don't know this ascii"
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[17:59] <shimgray> excellent. but the article displays? looks like it's a problem with our servers, then.
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[17:59] <Champion> and this is why I'm looking for a specialized channel
[17:59] <shimgray> I'll file a bug.
[18:00] <shimgray> the IPA also looks screwy
[18:00] <Champion> there might as well not be any because all professionals are always busy
[18:00] <Champion> and I'm also busy
[18:00] <Champion> how come I'm wasting my precious time on chat?
[18:00] <petan> I guess Risker doesn't come to irc very often
[18:02] <Champion> that must be a subconscious attempt to evade from tasks that are rather dull and not very stimulating. I would rather start washing a dog than getting started on that task.
[18:02] <Ironholds> petan: she does, just not in here
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[18:03] <Ironholds> shimgray: indubitably! Want me to email the tech people? It's sorta my thing, apparently.
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[18:03] <Ironholds> (they allege I'm paid to act as an interface. I have my doubts.)
[18:03] <Champion> the hardest part is to convince myself I will work on it just for 5 minutes
[18:03] <Champion> then, it becomes several hours relatively easily
[18:03] <PeterSymonds> Ironholds is the new interface. All hail [[Special:IronHolds]].
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[18:05] <geniice> hmmm
[18:05] <geniice> I appear to be getting into an edit war over wales
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[18:06] <PeterSymonds> As one does.
[18:06] <shimgray> Ironholds: If you want! tell you what, I'll file a bug and drop you an email, you can then bug them about it.
[18:06] <petan> Ironholds: aha, and is she online now?
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[18:06] <petan> it's no problem if she prefer email communication, of course :) I got no problem with that
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[18:07] <Ironholds> petan: she is evidently not
[18:07] <Ironholds> shimgray: that seems like needless pestering :P
[18:08] <shimgray> hmm, actually, I may as well do this more broadly. do we have a page I can test with, say, a dozen obscure fonts on it?
[18:08] <Champion> do you know what happens when you remove the engineering component from software engineering?
[18:08] <shimgray> hmmm.
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[18:08] <Ironholds> shimgray: find something on typefaces ;p
[18:08] <Ironholds> Champion: you ask needless rhetorical questions?
[18:08] <Champion> Ironholds, why do you think it's a rhetorical question?
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[18:09] <Ironholds> because the answer is easy? If you remove "engineering" from "software engineering" you get "software"
[18:09] <Ironholds> :P
[18:09] <Champion> software engineering then becomes merely a daily chore of patching holes in a failing dike
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[18:09] <Ironholds> not necessarily
[18:10] <Ironholds> it's also "that weird codey mumbo-jumbo" if you're not a software engineer. Always a matter of perspective.
[18:10] <geniice> Champion a job title that it legal in all US states
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[18:10] <Champion> software engineering without engineering is about writing code regardless of the protocol, often without including any analytic work
[18:11] <Champion> geniice, correct
[18:11] <Champion> geniice, there are many indians doing it cheap for the US
[18:12] <Ironholds> damn, where's quanticle?
[18:12] <geniice> engineer is a protected title in some places
[18:12] <Champion> geniice, yes, correct
[18:13] <shimgray> Ironholds: aha! it's already reported
[18:13] <shimgray> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28206
[18:13] <tommorris> software: not quite a science, not quite engineering, not quite beautiful enough to be an art.
[18:14] <Champion> tommorris, the topic is software engineering, though
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[18:14] <Steven_Zhang> I swear, this Yadav discussion....
[18:14] <Ironholds> shimgray: awesomesauce! Does this mean I can go to sleep now?
[18:14] <Ironholds> Only I've been working since..4:50am
[18:14] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: I swear, coming in here and mentioning it as a one-off immediately makes it look like canvassing
[18:14] <shimgray> pfft, slacker.
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> "you don't think Yadav's are kings, you are an anti Indian racist"
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> -_-
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> Lol :p
[18:15] <geniice> if someone accuses me of vandalism and reverts me how much trouble would I get into for removing their rollback rights
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> Ironholds: What's the time now :p
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[18:15] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: 22:15
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[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> geniice: A fair bit :p
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> Wtf
[18:15] <Steven_Zhang> Go to bed
[18:16] <Champion> tommorris, i.e. application of engineering to software development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering)
[18:16] <Ironholds> I just need to write my to-do list for tomorrow morning, then I will
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[18:17] <tommorris> Ironholds: #wikimedia-office tonight, right?
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[18:17] <Ironholds> tommorris: shut it, you
[18:17] <Ironholds> it's tomorrow and you know it
[18:17] <Steven_Zhang> To do for tomorrow
[18:17] <Steven_Zhang> Make a list for the next day :p
[18:17] <Ironholds> Steven_Zhang: indeed
[18:17] <tommorris> Ironholds: I have to say, quoting Wikipedia at you on Foundation-l is doing it like a boss.
[18:18] <Ironholds> tommorris: LIKE A BOS- I mean, yes.
[18:18] <Ironholds> just for that comment I made a mental note to dock your lemonade money
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[18:18] <LauraHale> foundation-l is a list I am scared of joining again.
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[18:18] <Ironholds> LauraHale: trust me, there are far worse lists.
[18:18] <LauraHale> Ironholds: Foundation wise?
[18:19] <Champion> tommorris, what's your Ph.D. research topic?
[18:19] <Ironholds> LauraHale: I was more imagining wikiversity-l or something ;p
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[18:19] <Pharos> god no
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[18:19] <Ironholds> Pharos: Conservapedia-l? ;p
[18:20] <tommorris> Champion: [[Alvin Plantinga]], the nature of naturalism and proper functionalist arguments in [[epistemology]]
[18:20] <LauraHale> Ironholds: Such a list exists?
[18:20] <Ironholds> LauraHale: it should
[18:20] <LauraHale> That would be scarey.
[18:20] <Ironholds> LauraHale: actually, my favorite mailing list is the one to deal with the Bildesarchiv collaboration
[18:20] <Ironholds> because they called it...Bildeburg-l
[18:20] <Ironholds> great job, guys, torpedoing all the wikipedia conspiracy theories.
[18:21] <tommorris> I spent years on ANI and all I got was the chance to hang out with a shadowy cabal of world leaders.
[18:21] <Ironholds> tommorris: you know there are conspiracy theories about wikipedia-en-admins?
[18:21] <Ironholds> Mostly we talk about biscuits. Occasionally jewellery.
[18:21] <Pharos> they're all true!
[18:22] <Ironholds> sometimes? Sometimes we make REALLY BAD PUNS
[18:22] <Ironholds> Pharos: most of the rumours about Wikipedia are not true
[18:22] <Ironholds> we are not funded by the CIA, en-admins is not run by a cabal
[18:22] <Ironholds> WMUK *is* an MI5 effort to bring down the movement from the inside, but if I tell you more they'll kill me
[18:23] <tommorris> I heard a scary rumour that #wikipedia-en-admins has significantly less stupid in it than #wikipedia-en.
[18:23] <Pharos> I doubt that!
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[18:24] <tommorris> would it be against Wikiversity rules to set up a course on there about how to attack your own genitals with a meat cleaver?
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[18:24] <tommorris> Wait, probably out of scope: Commons already got pics.
[18:24] <Pharos> nope, perfectly ethical research, that!
[18:25] <Champion> tommorris, :D
[18:25] <tommorris> Thanks to Commons, I did manage to see two floppy cocks on my screen while in the university's library today.
[18:25] <Champion> tommorris, many people would enroll and really do that
�08[18:26] <derp> grand Champion, grand Champion, grand Champion, international, de course!
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[18:27] <Champion> derp, how are you?
�08[18:27] <derp> great, you?
�08[18:27] * derp was listening to that song when isaw your nick
[18:27] <Champion> derp, fine
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[18:31] <Aranda56> sigh
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[18:32] <Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FSecret_2&action=historysubmit&diff=458715452&oldid=458704506
�06[18:32] * Champion is a person who has developed a very special perseverance. He uses every bit of it to "fight" until winning. These fights are almost exclusively dedicated to achieving goals. Champion somehow knows exactly what he wants.
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[18:33] <Aranda56> I had to admit it eventually I feel so relieved now
[18:33] <shimgray> tommorris: today's wv hilarity, http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Semantics
[18:33] <shimgray> & if anything, better - http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Theoretical_astronomy
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[18:34] <shimgray> "The science of astronomy consists of three fundamental parts: 1. physical and logical laws, ; 2. any natural object, and ; 3. the sky."
[18:34] <tommorris> heheheh
�06[18:35] * tommorris wonders if he should start a computer course on Wikiversity. "First, cave man plug box into standard 220V power outlet. Be sure not to drool as electric is hot and might burn you. Put down caveman club, push on button."
[18:36] <shimgray> "Then, troll Wikipedia"
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[18:36] <LauraHale> tommorris: :( is wikiversity.
�06[18:36] * tommorris awards LauraHale an diploma with honours from Wikiversity.
[18:36] <LauraHale> Thanks.
[18:37] <tommorris> And no, that spelling mistake was intentional.
[18:37] <Champion> oh, I'm so bad today - should have been already back on the nightmarish project. How come there is not a magic decrapifier when you need it? :)
[18:37] <tommorris> The certificate actually says "An diploma with honours"
[18:37] <tommorris> Champion: /dev/null. It's both a lint tool and a database.
[18:37] <Pharos> except it says it in esperanto
[18:37] <shimgray> at least it's not the enwp one, which has fifteen additional pages of edit-warring over whether it's honors.
[18:38] <geniice> talking of edit waring the welsh are being annoying enough that I'm considering digging out cornish
[18:39] <tommorris> with a degree from Wikiversity, you too can have a career as a cold fusion expert or investigate the nature of dominant groups.
[18:39] <Champion> tommorris, oh, I wish. If only there was another project in stand-by which I could take over and elaborate.
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�06[18:40] * tommorris has an April Fool's joke worked out: write a patch for JSLint to add a "hardcore mode" that just sends everything to /dev/null
[18:40] <Champion> :D
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[18:41] <BarkingFish> tommorris: how about a patch for linux to send all bug reports to Microsoft's WER service :)
[18:41] <Peter-C> I'm sexy and I know it
[18:41] <BarkingFish> shame nobody else does :)
�06[18:41] * BarkingFish runs away
[18:42] <Peter-C> D:
[18:42] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - I need your opinion
[18:42] <Peter-C> I need to make the local electric company listen to me
[18:42] <Peter-C> I have a HIGH priority situation down my block and it has been a high priority since Sunday
[18:43] <BarkingFish> Like what?
[18:43] <Peter-C> Tree down in the middle of a dead end road, 250 people without power because of it
[18:43] <BarkingFish> local power company is?
[18:43] <Peter-C> Is?
[18:44] <Peter-C> {{vague}}
�06[18:44] * tommorris would like to warn the channel on behalf of professional epistemologists that Peter-C's claim to self-knowledge regarding his own sexiness may lack justification and should not be taken as the basis for any further inductive or deductive inferences without considerable caution. Any damage caused to your cognitive faculties by affording Peter-C's testimony more weight than it deserves will not be covered by the Worldwide Trust for Fo
[18:44] <BarkingFish> who is your local power company?
[18:44] <Peter-C> PSE&G
[18:44] <tommorris> oh yeah, wikiversity lulz? check this - http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Historical_Introduction_to_Philosophy
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[18:45] <tommorris> Note the title. "Historical".
[18:45] <Peter-C> I'm going to call them back soon and play the "I am calling from an emergcny number" card.
[18:45] <tommorris> Now note the content. Ahistorical. Thematic. Not sequenced by time at all.
[18:45] <BarkingFish> Peter-C: are the downed lines live?
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[18:45] <tommorris> Bugger philosophy, the Wikiversity guys need a dictionary.
[18:45] <BarkingFish> or have the breakers fired?
[18:45] <Peter-C> Down wires + BIG ass downed tree
[18:46] <Peter-C> It is a MASSIVE hazard
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[18:46] <BarkingFish> Right, per the advice on their website, you call the police or fire department
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[18:46] <Peter-C> Psst, I am the fire department
[18:47] <Peter-C> On the OEM (Office of Emergency Management) on Sunday when I was on listed it as a top priority
[18:47] <Peter-C> *OEM radio channel
[18:47] <BarkingFish> Then ask your Commanding Officer to contact them at 1-800-436-PSEG
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[18:47] <shimgray> tommorris: note the history. last touched, June 2009
[18:47] <Peter-C> They have too much shit to deal with
[18:48] <Peter-C> They said "do it on your own"
[18:48] <Peter-C> My question is: how do you think I should play this?
[18:48] <BarkingFish> Then contact the police department. Their advice is quite clear.
[18:48] <BarkingFish> "Stay at least 300 feet away from all downed wires--and keep others from going near them as well. Call PSE&G at 1-800-436-7734 or the police or fire department immediately."
[18:48] <Peter-C> Fun fact, right next to my drive way are downed wires
[18:49] <tommorris> shimgray: so it is a historical introdution in as much as it is dated.
[18:50] <BarkingFish> Peter-C: your only option is to make contact with the local PD then.
[18:51] <BarkingFish> These things are damn dangerous, and downed lines are always to be considered live, even if fuses are visibly burned out
[18:51] <BarkingFish> Breakers don't always trip an HV circuit out, even if they do fire.
[18:52] <Qcoder00> What constitutes HV in the US?
[18:52] <Peter-C> It has been out since Saturday
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[18:52] <Peter-C> No I guess no fire
[18:53] <tommorris> would it be insensitive to point out that I'm watching the Electric Six music video now?
[18:53] <jorm> pls to be reading and commenting: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Athena
[18:54] <bep> so is there a large powercut in america right now?
[18:54] <bep> like that one that took out new york?
[18:54] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00: According to the 2005 National Electrical Code in the US, article 490, HV would be classed as anything over 600 volts AC
[18:54] <Qcoder00> Ah...
[18:55] <Qcoder00> OK Sounds like these lines are like the 415 or 1.5kv local you get in the UK
[18:55] <BarkingFish> No, not by a long chalk.
[18:55] <BarkingFish> HV overheads in the US carry anything from 138KV upwards
[18:56] <Qcoder00> Ouch
[18:56] <BarkingFish> once they're past a dropdown, i.e going to homes or to switching stations, that drops to about 35KV
[18:57] <BarkingFish> then it's dropped even further till you have the main lines going into people's homes, which are usually 110vAC @ 50Hz
[18:57] <BarkingFish> *60Hz
[18:58] <tommorris> jorm: we ever gonna have Global Profile? reading the Athena page reminded me
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�06[18:58] * Champion recommends: if you inherit a project like this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_ball_of_mud ) to integrate new functionality (ref. missing - bigger ball of mud) and then again (ref. missing - immobile elderly bigger ball of mud), you can succeed where others fail. To get down to the level of original developers, all you need is a few glasses of wine BEFORE and DURING the actual work. A satisfactory level of distration, such a
[18:59] <jorm> it's in the docket.
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[19:00] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: Sorry. I'm wrong...  The Local Distribution lines in the UK are 11kv
[19:00] <Qcoder00> Lower than that are 'private' systems
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[19:01] <Qcoder00> And my routers packed up again
[19:01] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - Contacted PSE&G
[19:02] <Peter-C> Told them the Office of Emergency Management wanted it done ASAP (which is the truth) and they will have it done by tonight or tomorrow
[19:02] <BarkingFish> excellent
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[19:04] <Champion> (and if your loud music coincidentally happens to be Mozzart, according to the recent research it might give up to 9 IQ points and a higher level of accuracy.)
[19:05] <Champion> * Mozart
[19:05] <Pharos> so, who is interested in terrorism?
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[19:06] <SteveWork> PeterSymonds: How is this PD? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:American_Dad_Logo.png
[19:06] <Pharos> we need an online ambassador for a uni course
[19:06] <SteveWork> looks like a copyrighted logo to me..
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[19:07] <SteveWork> hello TParis
[19:07] <TParis> Hey
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[19:08] <TParis> Bit off Wikipedia topic here, but there isnt anyone here who is familar with how Nuclear Power Planets work, are there?
[19:08] <SteveWork> jack bauer is :P
[19:08] <TParis> haha
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[19:08] <SteveWork> ^)^
[19:08] <SteveWork> ^_^
[19:09] <TParis> So where is your RFA, I've been watching for it.  I thought you were submitting yourself.
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[19:10] <Pharos> cmon, i know someone here is an expert on political violence by nonstate actors
[19:10] <SteveWork> TParis: negatory
[19:10] <TParis> Pharos: Whose a what's not?
[19:11] <Pharos> someone here must be an aspiring Wikipedia Online Ambassador
[19:11] <Pharos> who's like to help a class on terrorism and politics
[19:12] <Trusilver> TParis: If only there were some kind of resource you can use to find that kind of information. Oh wait!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Power_Plant
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[19:12] <Trusilver> :)
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[19:13] <Peter-C> PHAROS
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[19:13] <Peter-C> Pharos - how is NYC?
[19:14] <Pharos> NYC is awesomre
[19:14] <Pharos> Peter, you're a terrorist
[19:15] <Pharos> are you an OA too?
[19:15] <Peter-C> Hi to you too?
[19:15] <Peter-C> OA?
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[19:15] <Pharos> Online Ambassador
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[19:15] <TParis> Trusilver - I was actually looking for more technical details than would be covered in a Wikipedia article.
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[19:17] <Trusilver> Eh... I have an understanding, but nothing really beyond the level you would find on the project.
[19:17] <Peter-C> Yes, kind of
[19:17] <Peter-C> Still have never had a call to duty though
[19:17] <Pharos> i call you!
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[19:18] <Gfoley4> He's still playing Call Of �Duty
[19:19] <SteveWork> Call of duty &^_^
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[19:22] <Peter-C> Pharos - To?
[19:22] <Peter-C> Gfoley4 - I hate CoD SO much.
[19:23] <Gfoley4> well then.
[19:23] <Pharos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:United_States_Education_Program/Courses/Political_Science:Political_Violence_and_Insurgency
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[19:37] <SigmaWP> SteveWork: 30 more minutes
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[19:38] <SteveWork> 22 mins
[19:38] <SteveWork> :P
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[19:41] <Addihockey10> SteveWork: Epic fail
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[19:42] <SteveWork> Addihockey10: eh
[19:42] <Addihockey10> foks: Shut up
[19:43] <Gfoley4> :|
[19:44] <SigmaWP> O.o
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[19:45] <Addihockey10> ooh I like this song
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[19:48] <LABcrab> Hello!  i'd like to know what needs to be improved here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Get_Me  Also, can you please re-assess it?  It should be at least Start class.
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[19:49] <LABcrab> Is it just crickets in here?  :|
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[19:51] <SigmaWP> LABcrab: Sometimes there are arguments
[19:51] <Gfoley4> —> #wikipedia-en-help
[19:51] <LABcrab> SigmaWP: How come?
[19:51] <LABcrab> Gfoley4: Why so many channels?
[19:51] <SigmaWP> So we can have quiet in this one.
[19:52] <Gfoley4> We love to be bureaucratic.
[19:52] <LABcrab> SigmaWP: What is the purpose of a quiet channel but a non-quiet help channel?
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[19:52] <LABcrab> Which has about 1/3 the users of this channel?
[19:52] <Gfoley4> This channel is often active.
[19:53] <Gfoley4> To get wikipedia help?
[19:53] <Gfoley4> This channel is hardly ever on topic
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[19:53] <LABcrab> So is this the right place to ask articles help?
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[19:58] <BarkingFish> LABcrab: if you need specific wikipedia article help, you may be better to try #wikipedia-en-help
[19:58] <BarkingFish> since that's pretty much what they do there constantly
[19:58] <SigmaWP> BarkingFish: We already sent xer there
[19:58] <SigmaWP> Oh yeah, I got the svg probelm fixed
[19:58] <BarkingFish> ah, ok :)
[19:58] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - how long was YOUR EMT class?
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[19:59] <BarkingFish> jeez. It's been so long since I initially qualified I can't actually remember. I know it wasn't just one, I had loads over quite a long period
[20:00] <Peter-C> Really?
[20:00] <BarkingFish> Yeah, it was done as a course, not a single class
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[20:00] <Peter-C> By class I mean the whole semester
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[20:00] <BarkingFish> Oh right.
[20:00] <Peter-C> That would be a shit EMT class if it was only one day xD
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[20:00] <Peter-C> I have to take a 240 hour EMT class over 11 weeks
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[20:01] <BarkingFish> The whole semester was 15 weeks
[20:02] <SteveWork> SigmaWP: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:02] <SigmaWP> Yay!
[20:02] <SteveWork> whoa shit
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�06[20:02] * Gfoley4 thinks Peter-C should move.
[20:03] <SteveWork> "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs" changed by Mathbot: "There are 53 open discussion(s) in 4 day(s). Link to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 October 26]].". (watchlist)
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[20:03] <Gfoley4> cool story.
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[20:11] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: You got some more supports :D
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[20:11] <Aranda56> SimaWP not really, i had more opposes than supports the past day and a half
[20:12] <Aranda56> it sunk, I'm geting tired -__-
[20:13] <Aranda56> and I'm rebutting too much
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[20:13] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: That's why you should never say anything to opposers
[20:13] <SigmaWP> Keepscases is an exception.
[20:14] <Aranda56> SigmaWP I could....
[20:14] <Aranda56> just not to the point of incivilty or every comment or w.e
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[20:17] <SigmaWP_> Gfoley4: What do I tag https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finite_time_blow_up&redirect=no&rcid=472369592
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[20:17] <Aranda56> again I'm tired :(
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[20:18] <Gfoley4> no clue.
[20:18] <Gfoley4> la_pianista :o
�06[20:18] * SigmaWP_ waits for Gfoley4 to IAR and delete it anyway
[20:19] <SigmaWP_> SigmaWP: Shoo
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[20:19] <la_pianista> 'Allo Gfoley4! <3
[20:19] <MasterofPuppets> La_pianista!
[20:19] <MasterofPuppets> All my friends are here. Whee.
[20:19] <la_pianista> MasterofPuppets!
[20:19] <Peter-C> la_pianista - you are a woman - http://www.magnumboots.com/us/boots/outerwear/220/taurus-softshell/
[20:19] <Peter-C> Is that a nice jacket
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�06[20:19] * Peter-C steals one of MasterofPuppets' arms
[20:19] <SigmaWP> MasterofPuppets: Can you delete https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finite_time_blow_up&redirect=no&rcid=472369592 for me? :)
[20:19] <MasterofPuppets> Hey, I needed that arm. :(
[20:20] <MasterofPuppets> SigmaWP: I would, but my brain just melted from that equation.
[20:20] <SigmaWP> So did mine... :S
�06[20:20] * Peter-C gives MasterofPuppets' back his arm and takes an eye instead
[20:20] <la_pianista> Peter-C: Meh-ish. Why do you ask?
[20:21] <MasterofPuppets> Oh God, there is no speedy category for that page.
[20:22] <Peter-C> la_pianista - I got it for free :3
[20:22] <la_pianista> Oh anything free is always wearable, dude.
[20:22] <la_pianista> You'll find that especially true once in college.
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[20:22] <Peter-C> You are in college?
[20:22] <Peter-C> What idiot accepted you?
[20:22] <SigmaWP> MasterofPuppets: Yes there is - WP:IAR
[20:22] <la_pianista> Ouais.
[20:22] <SigmaWP> Please!
[20:23] <SigmaWP> The wiki is on fire because of it!
�06[20:23] * Gfoley4 updates to iOS 5
�06[20:23] * la_pianista has, too. <3
[20:24] <la_pianista> Though it's just an iPod touch. No huge differences for me.
[20:24] <MasterofPuppets> SigmaWP: Done.
[20:24] <MasterofPuppets> Leaving explanation on user's talk page.
[20:24] <SigmaWP> Thanks! :D
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[20:30] <Aranda56> ok
[20:30] <SigmaWP> WHEEEEE
[20:30] <SigmaWP> NEW RFA
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[20:31] <Aranda56> lets all oppose :D
[20:31] <Ks0stm> I might have screwed up...are pictures of drink cans/bottles considered non-free despite who they're taken by?
[20:31] <SigmaWP> '''Oppose''' - So this RfA can fit in with the other one
[20:31] <TParis> [[WP:SNOW]] per IRC.
[20:31] <SteveWork> SigmaWP: meh
[20:31] <SteveWork> new RFA?
[20:32] <SigmaWP> Ks0stm: If there's a logo that is non-free, yes
[20:32] <SigmaWP> It would be a derivative of non-free content
[20:32] <MasterofPuppets> SigmaWP:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Taylanmath&oldid=458731861
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[20:32] <MasterofPuppets> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Taylanmath&oldid=458731861
[20:32] <Ks0stm> Damn it...and I had a great picture of a shopping cart full of Mountain Dew Typhoon. Any commons admins handy?
[20:32] <SigmaWP> Thanks
[20:33] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: Just to double check, this would count: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shopping_cart_full_of_Mountain_Dew_Typhoon.JPG
�06[20:33] * SigmaWP adds a disclaimer that he is not an expert in NFCC
[20:33] <SigmaWP> Good gravy, who buys so much soda at once?
[20:34] <Ks0stm> Lol it wasn't available in our town, so we went out of town and bought like 6 months worth. =P
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[20:34] <SteveWork> SigmaWP: theres not much to clsoe
[20:34] <SteveWork> SigmaWP: wanna do some requested moves? :D
[20:35] <SigmaWP> SteveWork: Right, all of them are hard to close or deletes
[20:35] <SteveWork> hard? No.
[20:35] <SteveWork> Controversial much? yeah
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[20:36] <SigmaWP> zscout370: Ping
[20:36] <zscout370> SigmaWP: pong
[20:36] <SigmaWP> zscout370: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shopping_cart_full_of_Mountain_Dew_Typhoon.JPG contains many copyrighted logos.
[20:37] <Ks0stm> That's my bad, by the way.
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[20:39] <SteveWork> SigmaWP: deal or no deal
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�06[20:40] * SigmaWP punishes Ks0stm's copyvios by making him clean out CAT:CSD
[20:40] <SigmaWP> :D
[20:40] <zscout370> SigmaWP: it has been deleted by someone else
[20:41] <SigmaWP> Oh
[20:41] <SigmaWP> Thanks anyway
[20:41] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: Lol first I need to reupload that on en.wp with a fair use rationale
[20:41] <SteveWork> Hmm.
[20:41] <SteveWork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Sternberg has been flagged as a potential copyvio.
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[20:42] <SigmaWP> Oh no
[20:43] <SigmaWP> People are copying my "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anybody can edit, including idiots"
[20:44] <SigmaWP> If only I could CC BY-SA that...
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[20:44] <Aranda56> the image can be considered as ok
[20:44] <Aranda56> the mountain dew image
[20:44] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: Why?
[20:44] <Aranda56> usually depends on the admin and personality rights
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�06[20:45] * SigmaWP threatens to withdraw his support until he gets his way
[20:45] <SigmaWP> Now give me an Order of the Superior Scribe> :P
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[20:46] <Aranda56> deravitive work it is
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[20:48] <Aranda56> SigmaWP I meant trademark bleh
[20:48] <SigmaWP> Oh
[20:51] <Ks0stm> Aranda56: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20kd3jl&s=5 is the image.
[20:52] <Aranda56> Ks0stm the butterfinger box that is barely seen makes it a copyvio :p
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[20:53] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: When combined with the Reeses, it's a copyvio.
[20:53] <Ks0stm> If that's seriously the case I would feel like throwing something in the general direction of whoever wrote the copyright laws.
[20:54] <Aranda56> yea i probably would have deleted it
[20:55] <SigmaWP> Ks0stm: While you are deliberating copyrights, you can http://enwp.org/Special:Block/StoveTeam for being a spam username.
[20:55] <Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coca-Cola_24_Can_Pack.jpg it's not like that which the logo is simpler
[20:56] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: Link to contribs?
[20:56] <SigmaWP> http://enwp.org/Special:Contributions/StoveTeam
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[20:58] <Ks0stm> Done
[20:58] <SigmaWP> Thanks
[21:00] <SteveWork> nno piongs?
[21:00] <SteveWork> aw
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[21:02] <SteveWork> Aranda56: aw
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[21:02] <SteveWork> Nov 17, 2011 	Ki&ER 	AD 	Dec 1, 2011
[21:02] <SteveWork> Ahahahahahaha
[21:02] <SteveWork> dream on XD
[21:05] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: Does this look alright? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shopping_cart_of_Mountain_Dew_Typhoon.JPG
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[21:05] <SigmaWP> Yep
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[21:06] <Ks0stm> Awesome.
[21:06] <SigmaWP> I'll just tweak it
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[21:08] <Ks0stm> >=( I can't win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NFTABLE
[21:09] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> nothing tragic can be found in the ANI. How disdaining.
[21:10] <SigmaWP> SteveWork: If you don't do anything CSD-which-isn't-G6-related in a week's space of transcluding your RfA I'm opposing for lack of recent work
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[21:11] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: I hate non-free images. There's that NFTABLE thing which I think tells me I can't use it in the table like I wanted it too, and then it also needs the picture quality (size) /reduced/ (eeekster?)
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[21:12] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Non-free images are as bad as Facebook.
[21:12] <SigmaWP> Rainbow-Dash-EN: So are thoughtless comments about peoples' usernames
[21:12] <SigmaWP> Hint hint.
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[21:12] <SigmaWP> Ks0stm: You need to scale it down a lot
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[21:13] <SigmaWP> Otherwise beta.command is going to chew you out, and also because it's non-free - for it to qualify as fair use, it needs to be greatly inferior to the original
[21:13] <LL2|JedIRC> Wow
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[21:14] <Addihockey10> http://www.google.com/mail/help/customtime/index.html OMG I LOVE YOU
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[21:14] <LL2|JedIRC> Valve Developer Community has completely ripped crap off wikipedia
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[21:14] <Addihockey10> Project deadlines no more!
[21:14] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> LL2, how?
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[21:14] <LL2|JedIRC> They have even had shitloads of project pages with the same {{PAGENAME}} and purpose as wp
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[21:16] <LL2|JedIRC> Http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Development_Community:Requests_for_page_protection
[21:16] <Ks0stm> SigmaWP: I might just delete it. I hate having images reduced from their original quality. It's exactly the reason I'm highly dissatisfied with my senior pictures...the photographer printed great hardcopies, but the images he gave me for facebook were so horrible because of their small size that I never posted them.
[21:16] <LL2|JedIRC> Er
[21:16] <LL2|JedIRC> Http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Developer_Community:Requests_for_page_protection
[21:16] <SigmaWP> Ks0stm: (shrug) That's how non-free images work
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[21:17] <LL2|JedIRC> Major fail
[21:18] <LL2|JedIRC> THEY DON'T KEEP A USER CREATION LOG
[21:18] <LL2|JedIRC> Wat.
[21:18] <SigmaWP> http://enwp.org/SPecial:Log/newusers
[21:18] <LL2|JedIRC> Not that
[21:18] <LL2|JedIRC> VDC
[21:19] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Value might not, but mlp.wikia.com sure does.
�03[21:19] * la_pianista is now known as pianista|busy
[21:19] <LL2|JedIRC> Rainbow-Dash-EN: you are the reason this chan is +t now
[21:19] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> :3
[21:19] <LL2|JedIRC> Fluffernutter: you there?
[21:20] <Fluffernutter> ish
[21:20] <LL2|JedIRC> Perhaps -t and see if Rainbow-Dash-EN won't mess it up now?
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[21:20] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> dear lord.
[21:20] <Fluffernutter> uh
[21:20] <Fluffernutter> i'm pretty much good with leaving it +t until you kids get bored
[21:21] <LL2|JedIRC> But I'm BOOOOOOORED
[21:21] <LL2|JedIRC> :P
[21:21] <Fluffernutter> exactly
[21:21] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I will totally not change the topic
[21:21] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> srsly guiz.
[21:22] <LL2|JedIRC> Yada, yada, yada.
[21:22] <SigmaWP> If the two of you could act like your ages were double-digits maybe you would be allowed to change the topic.
[21:22] <LauraHale> Has anyone written a style guide before for a wikiProject?
[21:22] <LL2|JedIRC> Its the boy who cried wolf in our channel! YAY!
[21:22] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I'm sure VG has one.
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[21:22] <Addihockey10> Fluffernutter: Hi.
[21:23] <Addihockey10> I'm happy.
[21:23] <Fluffernutter> hi Addihockey10. Long time no see
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�06[21:23] * LauraHale is going to probably try to write one for a project. :/
[21:23] <LL2|JedIRC> Addihockey10: hi and so am I
[21:23] <Addihockey10> mhm :-)
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[21:23] <LauraHale> Is there a need to do something like an RfC before creating in the project space?
[21:23] <Addihockey10> I know how to fake e-mail timestamps now.
�06[21:23] * LL2|JedIRC is happier than Addihockey10 :D
[21:23] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> addi you devil.
[21:23] <Fluffernutter> enjoying your block then, LL2|JedIRC?
[21:23] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> stop abusing time.
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[21:23] <SigmaWP> :O
[21:24] <Addihockey10> I have an assignment long overdue :-D
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> when was LL2 blocked?
�06[21:24] * Addihockey10 snickers so evilly.
[21:24] <LL2|JedIRC> Fluffernutter: yep. I needed a wikiVacation-block :P
[21:24] <Ty> Do you lack that personal control? D:
�03[21:24] * Ty is now known as Queen
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> LL2, you are failing hard at a vacation if you can't keep away from the IRC.
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> :3
[21:24] <LL2|JedIRC> ...
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> ,,,
[21:24] <Queen> Need we set you +b? ;)
[21:25] <LL2|JedIRC> This is my phone, you derp
[21:25] <LL2|JedIRC> Derp refering to Rainbow-dash-en
[21:25] <Queen> +b for born to live? :P
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[21:25] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> idk.
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[21:25] <Addihockey10> Fluffernutter: You should buy 300 of fok's albums.
[21:26] <LL2|JedIRC> Queen: no. +b for I'MA FIRIN MY BUTTONS!
[21:26] <LL2|JedIRC> :P
[21:26] <Addihockey10> then he'll only be $1000 in the dump.
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[21:26] <LL2|JedIRC> Addihockey10: how well does foks sing?
[21:26] <Addihockey10> LL2|JedIRC: Really good.
[21:27] <LL2|JedIRC> Define "really good"
�03[21:27] * Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|ping
[21:27] <Addihockey10> better than mer.
[21:27] <Addihockey10> and I'm in a band.
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[21:27] <LL2|JedIRC> Well, I guess he sucks at singing them
[21:27] <SigmaWP> >)
[21:27] <LL2|JedIRC> *then
[21:28] <Addihockey10> LL2|JedIRC: If you're trying to be funny, you're failing.
[21:28] <Gfoley4> ^
[21:28] <SigmaWP> Addihockey10: If it's a crappy myspace who-gives-a-crap band and you put it no WP...
[21:28] <SigmaWP> *on
[21:28] <Addihockey10> lol
[21:29] <Addihockey10> I hate people who do that
[21:29] <SigmaWP> If you hate them then template them.
�06[21:29] * SigmaWP cackles evilly
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[21:31] <SteveWork> bored
�06[21:31] * Addihockey10 sacks SigmaWP
[21:31] <Addihockey10> SteveWork: Do my homework with no due date :-D
[21:31] <SteveWork> uh no :P
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[21:53] <Bensin> Anyone know who is responsible for the bot that fixes links after a page is moved?
[21:53] <Bensin> (or the name of the bot for that matter)
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[21:56] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> We've just lost a friend on another chat that I am on.
[21:56] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> you may not know him, but pay your respects nevertheless.
[21:57] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> he overdosed on Xanox.
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[21:58] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> :(
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[21:58] <LL2|JedIRC> Rainbow-Dash-EN: was it a ponie?
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[21:58] <Gfoley4> :|
[21:59] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> no.
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[21:59] <LL2|JedIRC> Good
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[21:59] <LL2|JedIRC> Because then it woulda been a rave party in here
[22:00] <LL2|JedIRC> :P
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[22:00] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> http://tinychat.com/darkrazorz
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[22:00] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> you sick sob, that ain't nothing to be laughin at.
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[22:01] <SigmaWP> Thank God!
�03[22:01] * WikiZombie is now known as LL2|JedIRC
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[22:01] <LL2|JedIRC> You say that after I change nick to WikiZombie, SigmaWP?
[22:02] <SigmaWP> No, just that rainbow dash left
[22:02] <LL2|JedIRC> I know that
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[22:03] <LL2|JedIRC> I am refering to the WHEN, not WHY
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[22:22] <SteveWork> talk about backlogs.
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�08[22:26] <derp> talk about how Fluff|ping rules.
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[22:27] <Maid> Fluff|ping is an awesome sysop. We should rename this #wikipedia-Fluff and rename ourselves to fluff.wikipedia.org as the Fluffipedia in support of Fluff
[22:27] <Maid> derp, thar.
�08[22:27] <derp> i agree.
[22:28] <Maid> To the Village pump
�08[22:28] <derp> Pumpin'
[22:28] <SigmaWP> Nay
[22:28] <SigmaWP> To Requests for Dictatorship
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[22:28] <Maid> WP:RFD? :P
[22:29] <SigmaWP> We'll kick redirects for discussion to WP:REDIRECTS_FOR_DISCUSSION
�08[22:29] <derp> WP:KIMJONGIL?
[22:29] <SigmaWP> WP:HITLAH
[22:29] <Maid> WP:FLUFF4PRESIDENT?
�08[22:29] <derp> yep
[22:30] <SigmaWP> WP:GODSAVETHEFLUFF
�08[22:30] <derp> �8,10WOO�13,9YAY� �
[22:30] <Trusilver> My wife ig working on her master's degree and is taking some of her classes online. I can never go back to school because you are forced to engage in rational discourse with known morons. She's in an online discussion about genetically modified crops and trying to find a common ground with some idiot who's talking about how genetically modified crops can hurt butterflies (I'm not being
[22:30] <Trusilver> hyperbolic, those are her words)
[22:32] <GabrielF> wasn't there a study on GM corn and monarch butterflies or something?
[22:32] <SigmaWP> derp: Maid Let this nomination for Dictatorship be put on meta:bash
�06[22:32] * SigmaWP applauds very formally
[22:32] <Maid> If I make it will we have any support?
�08[22:32] <derp> yes
�08[22:32] <derp> me
[22:32] <Maid> Besides you derp. :)
[22:32] <SigmaWP> I suppose you're consenting for this to be on bash?
[22:33] <GabrielF> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/monarch-butterflies-genetically-modified-gm-crops/story?id=14057436#.TrH9JmA6LPY
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�08[22:34] <derp> SteveWork and Stelpa
[22:34] <GabrielF> the claim isn't that the GM crops hurt the butterflies but that they lead to farmers using pesticides which kill the weeds the butterflies live in
[22:35] <SteveWork> yes
Session Close: Wed Nov 02 22:37:00 2011