User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-06

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May 06 00:00:12 *	Mike5 (Mike5@78.146.29.105) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 00:01:07 <Tothwolf>	does User:Mnemnoch work for sony?
May 06 00:02:01 <Fluffernutter>	hmm. I need advice.
May 06 00:02:41 <Fluffernutter>	In a situation where a non-notable person is mentioned often in the context of a notable event which may be embarrassing to that person, is it best practice to not name them in the article if naming them isn't necessary? Or is that unnecessarily avoidant and I should just use the damn name?
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May 06 00:03:47 <geniice>	depends. have they taken out a super injunction
May 06 00:04:03 <Fluffernutter>	lol no, this is old skool drama
May 06 00:04:20 <geniice>	if not then unless you are aiming for FA status it depends how much you like them
May 06 00:04:37 <Tothwolf>	geniice: why would it matter?
May 06 00:05:05 <geniice>	because on a practical level you are free to name or not name them as you see fit
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May 06 00:06:23 <geniice>	I think we just upset the Nunney tourist information board
May 06 00:06:29 *	Peter-C slays CKtravel_ with an epee
May 06 00:06:54 <geniice>	http://twitter.com/#!/VisitNunney
May 06 00:07:08 <Mike5>	obvious copyvio.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ayman_Al-Zawahiri.jpg
May 06 00:07:51 <Tothwolf>	geniice: :P
May 06 00:16:15 *	Peter-C eats people
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May 06 00:17:36 <MuZemike>	And who says I template others too much: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:99.34.206.46&diff=427665592&oldid=427665327
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May 06 00:31:13 <Mike5>	and now a copyvio article
May 06 00:31:14 <Mike5>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Up_bin_Laden
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May 06 00:35:53 <Dcoetzee>	Mike5: Deleting it...
May 06 00:37:44 <Demiurge1000>	Fluffernutter: Get a second opinion from off2riorob, I am sure he would disagree with geniice :)
May 06 00:37:52 <Fluffernutter>	lol
May 06 00:38:12 <Fluffernutter>	i'm finding it increasingly unwieldy to go nameless. I might finish writing the whole thing and then look back and see how awkwardly it reads
May 06 00:39:21 <Demiurge1000>	I was calmy looking at some WP:BLPN complaint one day, and thinking to myself, "well look here Mr Not Especially Notable Complainer, we can probably fix your article up or something, but if you keep complaining like this, any second now, Rob will be trying to just DELETE you"
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May 06 00:39:41 <geniice>	hmm http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/en  hmm first time I've had the ability to exclude candidates from the board elections by abusing my admin powers
May 06 00:39:51 <Demiurge1000>	ten seconds later, BANG, Rob comes in and proposes deleting the article to remove the BLP problem :)
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May 06 00:44:00 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=1000&target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2Fhtml%2Fuscode17%2Fusc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html
May 06 00:44:07 <Qcoder00>	Anyone want to help do some FUR update?
May 06 00:44:18 <Dcoetzee>	Fluffernutter: Hi btw :-)
May 06 00:44:21 *	Dcoetzee hugs Fluffernutter
May 06 00:44:45 <Fluffernutter>	heya
May 06 00:45:10 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 06 00:45:16 <Qcoder00>	When people upset me I get busy
May 06 00:45:17 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 06 00:45:32 <Qcoder00>	Don't make me angry or I'll blow a blood vessel :(
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May 06 00:57:33 <Peter-C>	What Does Marcellus Wallace Look Like?
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May 06 01:10:36 <devo>	Lol the Marvel Studios article has two History sections. XD
May 06 01:10:52 <devo>	Must have had a lot of history.
May 06 01:13:36 <Fluffernutter>	hmmmmm
May 06 01:14:01 <Fluffernutter>	I can't use sources that have gone offline but that the author provided to me via email, right? In this case, notable blog posts about a controvery?
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May 06 01:15:57 <Courcelles>	Did you check the Wayback machine?
May 06 01:16:05 <Fluffernutter>	yeah, they're freaking NOWHERE
May 06 01:16:14 <Fluffernutter>	but let me look again, hjust to be sure
May 06 01:16:21 *	res|starcraft is now known as Resfirestar
May 06 01:16:50 <Dcoetzee>	Resfirestar: I should add you in SC2 :-P
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May 06 01:17:16 <Resfirestar>	not sc2, I pulled out the old starcraft while I wait for the money to buy SC2 :P
May 06 01:17:22 <Dcoetzee>	Oh heh
May 06 01:17:37 <Dcoetzee>	I've played a lot of old school SC but I suck on the multiplayer scene :-P
May 06 01:17:56 <Fluffernutter>	yeah i get a blank page when i try to wayback them
May 06 01:18:08 <Courcelles>	Fluff, could you get the author to put them back online long enough for you to grab a WebCite?
May 06 01:18:18 <Courcelles>	Good timing, they'd have to be up all of 20 minutes
May 06 01:18:25 <Fluffernutter>	ergh
May 06 01:18:36 <Fluffernutter>	i don't even know what that is
May 06 01:18:52 <Fluffernutter>	i have the URLs that they were at, but those are dead. I have the contents, but those are on my local HDD
May 06 01:19:04 <Fluffernutter>	i don't suppose i can cite using the dead URLs?
May 06 01:19:17 <Courcelles>	What was one of the URLs?
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May 06 01:19:40 <Fluffernutter>	pm'd
May 06 01:22:41 <Sam_Gold>	:)
May 06 01:22:57 <geniice>	blogs are not too good as a source
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May 06 01:23:44 <Sam_Gold>	yeah I see some weird sourcing, like articles about particular software, and then they site the forum from the software site.
May 06 01:23:49 <Sam_Gold>	That doesn't seem right :S
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May 06 01:24:04 <Sam_Gold>	cite*
May 06 01:24:08 <Logan_>	slakr: pingity ping ping
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May 06 01:52:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello, humans
May 06 01:52:53 *	Demiurge1000 is offended by that designation
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May 06 01:53:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	good morning , LauraHale
May 06 01:53:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	how goes the netball?
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May 06 01:54:01 <Demiurge1000>	more importantly, how goes the Tourist Landmark of the Resistance!
May 06 01:54:46 <LauraHale>	Dragonfly6-7: It goes okay?
May 06 01:55:03 <LauraHale>	Arrived back in AU and my laptop now has issues with the backlight
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May 06 02:08:47 <barts1a>	Could someone please WP:SNOW close this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Laura_Bryna_(2nd_nomination)#Laura_Bryna
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May 06 02:30:24 *	Fluffernutter haz a proud
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May 06 02:31:17 <LauraHale>	Fluffernutter has a proud what?
May 06 02:31:58 <Fluffernutter>	before (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaycee_Nicole&oldid=416390909) and after (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaycee_Nicole&oldid=427679600)
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May 06 02:34:14 <barts1a>	Fluffernutter; that is rather good!
May 06 02:34:39 <Fluffernutter>	why, thank you :D
May 06 02:35:57 <LauraHale>	Very nice article. :)
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May 06 02:48:54 <geniice>	the internet was so innocent once
May 06 02:49:06 <Fluffernutter>	and then it got porn?
May 06 02:49:29 *	barts1a rimshots
May 06 02:49:47 *	Fluffernutter bows
May 06 02:49:51 <geniice>	nah porn dates back to the usenet days at least
May 06 02:50:00 <Fluffernutter>	ascii porn :D
May 06 02:50:10 <barts1a>	The best kind!
May 06 02:50:27 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna
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May 06 02:50:43 <Mike_H>	Myra: Confucius say
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May 06 02:50:53 <Mike_H>	"If Lisa Bonet ate no basil, what did Tempestt Bledsoe eat?"
May 06 02:51:02 <Fluffernutter>	what sort of...experiments...are performed upon Lenna?
May 06 02:51:29 <topaz>	if --- what?
May 06 02:51:38 <Mike_H>	topaz: Exactly.
May 06 02:51:41 *	Mike_H meditates.
May 06 02:51:42 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 02:51:49 <barts1a>	it's just an image... probably used to test image-based porn filtering methods
May 06 02:51:58 <Fluffernutter>	wouldn't that be a koan, not a confucius-ism?
May 06 02:52:12 <Mike_H>	Fluffernutter: Don't question Confucius. He is wiser than you or I.
May 06 02:52:15 <geniice>	image compression expiriments
May 06 02:52:24 <geniice>	however porn has made is as far as the moon
May 06 02:52:26 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.cdrcuf08.jpg
May 06 02:53:00 <geniice>	several times
May 06 02:53:01 <Fluffernutter>	omai
May 06 02:53:02 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.cdrcuf15.jpg
May 06 02:53:07 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.lmpcuf08.jpg
May 06 02:53:13 <geniice>	http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a12/a12.lmpcuf14.jpg
May 06 02:53:14 <barts1a>	The russians wouldn't know about that sort of thing... http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-russians-sex-space.html
May 06 02:54:03 <geniice>	barts1a best anyone can tell there have been no cases of actual sex in space
May 06 02:54:39 <barts1a>	We don't really know everything that goes on up there do we?
May 06 02:54:43 <geniice>	Fluffernutter one of the things you realise when looking at the apollo missions was how much stuff they got away with
May 06 02:54:56 <Fluffernutter>	spaceships = boyzones for the longest time
May 06 02:55:11 <geniice>	barts1a we'd probably find out. There isn't much in the way of privacy on space stations
May 06 02:55:15 <topaz>	(one in ten! one in ten!)
May 06 02:55:22 <geniice>	Fluffernutter not that there is anything wrong with that
May 06 02:55:25 <geniice>	topaz ?
May 06 02:55:53 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: course there's something wrong with that. I mean boyzone in the sense of woman-exclusionary, not in the sense of mmm-sausage-party-everyone-take-off-your-pants
May 06 02:55:54 <barts1a>	Fluffernutter: They could just shut off the comms and be completely isolated
May 06 02:56:00 <topaz>	geniice: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/space-the-final/
May 06 02:56:02 <Mike_H>	if it were really one in ten, I would have gotten laid a lot more
May 06 02:56:04 <Mike_H>	ymmv
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May 06 02:56:24 <geniice>	Fluffernutter I was suggesting that if there had been space sex it had probably been homosexual
May 06 02:56:25 <topaz>	HAH
May 06 02:56:32 <topaz>	Mike_H++
May 06 02:56:46 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: "Space: just like prison, but with fewer guards!"
May 06 02:57:27 <Mike_H>	I don't know, a prison guard fantasy can be pretty hot
May 06 02:57:28 <geniice>	pretty much although a ship might have been a better comparison
May 06 02:57:58 <topaz>	with six- and twelve-month sessions up on the ISS, I would be astonished if there hadn't been some bumping and grinding, privacy or no.
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May 06 02:58:23 <Fluffernutter>	or just massive amounts of wanking
May 06 02:58:30 <Fluffernutter>	maybe they all get issues fleshlights
May 06 02:58:33 <Fluffernutter>	*issued
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May 06 02:59:03 <Guerillero>	lol
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May 06 02:59:55 <Mike_H>	Delta Work, is that you?
May 06 02:59:56 <Mike_H>	You bitch!
May 06 03:00:00 <Fluffernutter>	!
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May 06 03:00:22 <geniice>	topaz if there is no one is talking about it
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May 06 03:01:44 <geniice>	Fluffernutter going for a DYK?
May 06 03:01:48 <Fluffernutter>	yep
May 06 03:01:54 <Fluffernutter>	maybe a GA if it holds up in the next few days
May 06 03:01:55 <Mike_H>	oh, cool, Maury is on
May 06 03:02:04 <Mike_H>	"You Cheated With Your Stepdad...Am I Your Baby's Father?"
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May 06 03:03:12 <geniice>	some people have complicated lives
May 06 03:04:00 <geniice>	wait UKIP are running in northern island? Well thats progress I suppose
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May 06 03:10:08 *	derp throws a hamburger at Fluffernutter
May 06 03:10:15 *	Fluffernutter catches, noms
May 06 03:10:35 <derp>	It had mushrooms :P
May 06 03:10:41 <Fluffernutter>	eww
May 06 03:10:43 *	Fluffernutter spits it out
May 06 03:10:48 *	Fluffernutter doesn't eat fungus
May 06 03:11:04 *	derp went to the market and bought dried mushrooms :)
May 06 03:11:25 <Gfoley4>	derp is a fungus
May 06 03:11:29 <derp>	Gfoley4 <3
May 06 03:11:31 <Gfoley4>	don't eat him
May 06 03:11:32 <Gfoley4>	<3
May 06 03:11:38 <Gfoley4>	:D
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May 06 03:11:40 *	Fluffernutter also doesn't eat gay men
May 06 03:11:51 <Sam_Gold>	taste bad?
May 06 03:11:54 <derp>	You do miss oliver don't you...
May 06 03:12:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	he's my nephew
May 06 03:12:30 <Gfoley4>	:O
May 06 03:12:35 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 06 03:12:42 <derp>	you miss ironholds :P
May 06 03:12:58 <Fluffernutter>	no, i was "?"ing the "he's my nephew"
May 06 03:13:06 <derp>	oh
May 06 03:13:07 <derp>	:P
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May 06 03:13:23 <Mike_H>	derp: my mother was at the mall with me today and we were talking about how clothes were nicer in the old days
May 06 03:13:33 <Mike_H>	and then she had to show me photos of her being crowned Jacksonville Shriner Debutante Queen
May 06 03:13:39 <Mike_H>	Should I have just not responded to her :P
May 06 03:13:46 <derp>	:P
May 06 03:13:48 <derp>	nah
May 06 03:13:48 <derp>	:P
May 06 03:14:02 *	derp hugs Mike_H and steals all his ciggies.
May 06 03:14:07 <Mike_H>	derp: it didn't help that I lost her in a store and I described her and used her age
May 06 03:14:10 <Mike_H>	she was mortified
May 06 03:14:40 <Mike_H>	I was telling the store clerk "have you seen this lady, olive skin tone, green eyes, black hair mixed with gray, around 5'4", 60 years old"
May 06 03:14:47 <Mike_H>	and my mother was like YOU TOLD THE LADY MY AGE?!
May 06 03:15:32 <derp>	heh
May 06 03:16:52 <geniice>	Mike_H eh you just need to present it properly
May 06 03:17:22 <geniice>	rather than 60 years old you say "too young to remember the civil war"
May 06 03:17:25 <Mike_H>	geniice: Apparently it didn't even matter, because she did actually serve my mother and it took her like four times thinking about it before she told me where she was
May 06 03:17:29 <Mike_H>	because she didn't believe she was 60.
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May 06 03:26:29 <Logan_>	Crimedog: ping
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May 06 03:29:06 <quanticle>	What's up, wikipedians?
May 06 03:30:55 <Dragonfly6-7>	Very little.
May 06 03:30:58 <Fluffernutter>	^
May 06 03:31:04 <barts1a>	^^
May 06 03:31:04 <Fluffernutter>	Dragonfly6-7, did you go admire my article handiwork?
May 06 03:34:00 <geniice>	this will not end well
May 06 03:34:02 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13267205
May 06 03:34:23 <geniice>	holiest well in islam has 3 times the legal limit of arsnic
May 06 03:34:32 <Fluffernutter>	oh dear
May 06 03:35:11 <geniice>	hmm the have been rumors of a simular issue in jordan
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May 06 03:36:26 <geniice>	Supprised no one spotted it before . pretty easy to pick up with ICP-AES
May 06 03:36:34 <geniice>	not to expensive either
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May 06 03:38:01 <Logan_>	Gfoley4[AFK]: you there?
May 06 03:38:17 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	yes, about to do homework...
May 06 03:38:25 <Logan_>	look at [[WP:AFDO]]
May 06 03:38:33 <Logan_>	somebody nominated about 100 articles in one day
May 06 03:38:49 *	slakr was pingged
May 06 03:38:57 *	Fluffernutter didn't do it, slakr
May 06 03:39:02 <Logan_>	slakr: why?
May 06 03:39:08 <slakr>	you did it
May 06 03:39:12 <slakr>	(Logan_)
May 06 03:39:18 <Logan_>	oh, earlier
May 06 03:39:26 <Logan_>	I wanted your opinion on whether or not something was a log bot
May 06 03:39:32 <Logan_>	but it/he/she left anyway
May 06 03:39:41 <geniice>	oh I see whats happened
May 06 03:39:49 <Fluffernutter>	Logan_: oh, is that the playmates?
May 06 03:39:49 <slakr>	anyone can be a log bot.
May 06 03:39:53 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: yep
May 06 03:39:55 <slakr>	they're like commies.
May 06 03:39:59 <Fluffernutter>	wasn't that on ANI recently?
May 06 03:40:00 <slakr>	:P
May 06 03:40:03 <Logan_>	yes
May 06 03:40:07 <Sam_Gold>	yeah some clients have logging on by default
May 06 03:40:08 <Logan_>	I'm relisting so many
May 06 03:40:12 <Sam_Gold>	:(
May 06 03:40:24 <geniice>	Looking at it I suspect they've increased the rate of withdrawal from the well that has increased the amount of asenic being washed from the rocks
May 06 03:40:54 <slakr>	as I've said numerous times before, we don't/can't actually prohibit logging
May 06 03:41:02 *	derp has quit ()
May 06 03:41:09 <slakr>	or someone running a log bot
May 06 03:41:21 <Logan_>	geniice: the playmates?
May 06 03:41:27 *	Fluffernutter logs. But only for my own reference.
May 06 03:41:38 <slakr>	the point of the rule is to prohibit irc discussion for being used as wiki discussion
May 06 03:41:41 <geniice>	Logan_ no this  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13267205
May 06 03:41:48 <slakr>	for / from
May 06 03:41:50 <Logan_>	oh :P
May 06 03:44:28 <Guerillero>	Fluffernutter: would you be willing to provide a second opinion on the prose of a GAN?
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May 06 03:45:03 <Fluffernutter>	Guerillero: er. Well. I'm generally happy to provide prose second opinions, but i have zero experience with checking things against GA criteria
May 06 03:45:24 <geniice>	this paper is kinda sad http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/khounganian/Interns%20Seminar/Zamzam-waterpublicationarticle.pdf
May 06 03:45:43 <Guerillero>	Fluff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_Foundation_Program#MFP_Accountability_Reports_for_low-performing_schools
May 06 03:45:55 <Guerillero>	* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_Foundation_Program
May 06 03:46:17 <Fluffernutter>	do you need it tonight, or can i put it off until tomorrow?
May 06 03:46:32 <Guerillero>	It still has 4 days left on it
May 06 03:47:57 <Fluffernutter>	i'll do it tomorrow, then
May 06 03:48:06 <Guerillero>	ok :)
May 06 03:48:08 <Fluffernutter>	poke me about it if you're online tomorrow
May 06 03:48:42 <slakr>	[21:47:05] <)RCMonBot> [21:46] acc      create           Projectilevomiter     <--- lol, glad he's come to terms with that.
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May 06 03:50:03 <geniice>	someone created a series of DYK articles about /Ottoman taxes/?
May 06 03:50:33 <Fluffernutter>	darn ottomans and their grasping ways
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May 06 03:54:44 <geniice>	that Tekalif-i orfiye, Resm-i çift, Rav akçesi, Nüzül, İspençe, Avariz, Adet-i ağnam, Resm-i arusane, Tuz resmi, Resm-i bennâk, Bedl-i askeri, Gümrük resmi, Sursat, Müskirat resmi, Temettu, Adet-i deştbani, Damga resmi, Resm-i mücerred, Öşür, Ihtisab, Resm-i donum and Tapu resmi were Ottoman taxes, whilst Muafiyet were exemptions, and Emins were tax collectors?
May 06 03:54:55 <Fluffernutter>	...
May 06 03:55:07 <Logan_>	O_O
May 06 03:55:34 <geniice>	Bobrayner we salute you but frankly you frighten us a bit
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May 06 03:56:03 <Guerillero>	umm
May 06 03:56:10 <Guerillero>	is that too long?
May 06 03:56:18 <Fluffernutter>	that's...tl'dr
May 06 03:56:52 <Guerillero>	well yes
May 06 03:57:01 <Guerillero>	but DYK has a set charter limit
May 06 03:57:05 <geniice>	Fluffernutter it's one sentence
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May 06 03:57:17 <Guerillero>	I think its 200 or something
May 06 03:57:28 <geniice>	does watson know that? I didn't think so
May 06 03:57:30 <Fluffernutter>	geniice: doesn't really matter. I read the first three words and went "fuck this shit"
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May 06 03:58:26 <Fluffernutter>	argh. what's the tool to monitor number of hits on an article?
May 06 03:58:42 <geniice>	http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/User:Bobrayner
May 06 03:58:51 <Guerillero>	where is the hook?
May 06 03:58:52 <Fluffernutter>	thc
May 06 03:58:53 <geniice>	replace User:Bobrayner with the article name
May 06 03:58:54 <Fluffernutter>	*thx
May 06 03:58:58 <Guerillero>	its not on T:TDYK
May 06 03:59:04 <geniice>	Guerillero botten of DTK
May 06 03:59:20 <Guerillero>	ok
May 06 03:59:29 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T:DYK at the end
May 06 03:59:53 <geniice>	Fluffernutter or go into the page history and click page view statistics
May 06 04:00:05 <Guerillero>	I think that thats a new record
May 06 04:00:14 <Fluffernutter>	oh hey, i never noticed that link was there, geniice
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May 06 04:01:36 <geniice>	Guerillero not sure. Do we record the record somewhere
May 06 04:03:14 <geniice>	Labour has taken control of Hull City Council from the Lib Dems.
May 06 04:03:19 <geniice>	poor labour
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May 06 04:05:41 <Guerillero>	I think there is a list
May 06 04:05:48 *	Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|sleep
May 06 04:07:06 <Guerillero>	Can I reject a DYK based on the fact that the article relies on what appears to be a SPS?
May 06 04:07:17 <Meepsheep>	yes
May 06 04:08:31 <Demiurge1000>	yes (second opinion)
May 06 04:08:41 <Demiurge1000>	Meepsheep: Aren't you some sort of troll creature?
May 06 04:08:46 <Meepsheep>	nope
May 06 04:08:48 *	Guerillero ignores the person blocked for trolling en-wikipedia
May 06 04:09:01 <Demiurge1000>	Oh, that would be a yes, then. Sorry, didn't read up.
May 06 04:09:18 <Guerillero>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Meepsheep
May 06 04:09:39 <Demiurge1000>	Guerillo: All DYK articles should have at least a basic substantiation in secondary sources
May 06 04:09:47 <Meepsheep>	Can't you guys at least put one of those sockpuppeteer templates on that page, I hate seeing the redlink
May 06 04:09:50 <Demiurge1000>	if it's primary-only then it's bullshit
May 06 04:10:01 <Logan_>	!ops Meepsheep is back - please re-ban the link for a longer period of time
May 06 04:10:04 <Guerillero>	This looks like a blog http://www.activetravellaos.com/country/?p=66
May 06 04:10:05 <Demiurge1000>	although, take it gently. Discuss it with the nominator :)
May 06 04:10:16 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	him, trade Votto for Quention and Berkman
May 06 04:10:20 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	?
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May 06 04:10:25 <topaz>	so I got a SMS phishing attempt tonight
May 06 04:10:27 <Logan_>	*nick
May 06 04:10:28 <slakr>	is he trolling?
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May 06 04:10:32 <Logan_>	slakr: yes
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May 06 04:10:34 <slakr>	how?
May 06 04:10:35 <Meepsheep>	Logan_, what have I done to deserve a ban?
May 06 04:10:44 <topaz>	did you know how HARD it is to report an attempted credit card phish?
May 06 04:10:45 <Logan_>	<Guerillero> Can I reject a DYK based on the fact that the article relies on what appears to be a SPS?
May 06 04:10:46 <Logan_>	<Meepsheep> yes
May 06 04:10:46 <topaz>	jeez.
May 06 04:10:51 <Logan_>	<Meepsheep> Can't you guys at least put one of those sockpuppeteer templates on that page, I hate seeing the redlink
May 06 04:11:02 <Meepsheep>	I am just saying that the red link annoys me
May 06 04:11:11 *	slakr rolls his eyes
May 06 04:11:11 <Logan_>	slakr: he's trolling, in essence
May 06 04:11:25 <Meepsheep>	I am not trolling the channel
May 06 04:11:34 <Meepsheep>	That's what I was banned from wikipedia for
May 06 04:11:37 <Logan_>	My name isn't Logan
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May 06 04:11:40 <Logan_>	oh wait
May 06 04:11:49 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	9_9
May 06 04:11:58 <Meepsheep>	and I come in here to prove that I am ready to be unblocked
May 06 04:12:24 <Sam_Gold>	what has changed :??
May 06 04:12:30 <Meepsheep>	a lot
May 06 04:12:31 <Guerillero>	wer't you the one who changed that template a few days ago?
May 06 04:12:45 <slakr>	if you're wanting to be unblocked, #wikipedia-en-unblock is the place to ask
May 06 04:12:53 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	Meepsheep: I had fun blocking that sock =)
May 06 04:13:09 <Herodotus>	Meepsheep: As a general rule, people who are blocked to the point of needing to come on IRC are not ready to be unblocked. The more times they show up on IRC while still blocked, the more likely the permablock was warranted.
May 06 04:13:23 <matthewrbowker>	What is the single of criteria?  Criterium?
May 06 04:13:28 <Meepsheep>	Guerillero, are you referring to this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#URGENT_Template:Hansard-contribs
May 06 04:13:58 <Stroopwafel>	hi I want to usurp a .en wiki account into my sul, where should I go?
May 06 04:14:12 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	sec
May 06 04:14:21 <Guerillero>	oui
May 06 04:14:34 <Logan_>	matthewrbowker: criterion
May 06 04:14:37 <Logan_>	duh :P
May 06 04:14:49 <Logan_>	Stroopwafel: http://enwp.org/WP:USURP
May 06 04:14:53 <matthewrbowker>	Logan_: Thanks :)
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May 06 04:15:00 <Logan_>	matthewrbowker: no problemo
May 06 04:15:07 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	Stroopwafel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations
May 06 04:15:24 <Stroopwafel>	Thanks!
May 06 04:15:27 <Herodotus>	Logan_: Oh no you didn't.
May 06 04:15:32 <Logan_>	Gfoley4[AFK]: taking too long fail :P
May 06 04:15:33 *	Stroopwafel reads
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May 06 04:15:41 <Logan_>	Herodotus: Did I?
May 06 04:15:50 <Herodotus>	Logan_: You did.
May 06 04:15:52 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	shuttup, I couldn't remember the shortcut
May 06 04:15:57 <Logan_>	Oh yes I did.
May 06 04:16:02 <Logan_>	Did you?
May 06 04:16:11 <Herodotus>	I would never.
May 06 04:16:17 <Herodotus>	How dare you even suggest such a thing?
May 06 04:16:24 <Logan_>	Who would?
May 06 04:16:29 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	???
May 06 04:16:31 <Herodotus>	slakr, probably.
May 06 04:16:33 <Logan_>	¿¿¿
May 06 04:16:45 <Logan_>	Herodotus: More like Fluffernutter, in my opinion.
May 06 04:16:47 <slakr>	?
May 06 04:16:53 <Logan_>	¿
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May 06 04:16:59 *	slakr is confuzzled
May 06 04:17:07 *	Logan_ likes truffles.
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May 06 04:17:27 <Myra>	Logan_: Behave, please.
May 06 04:17:35 <Gfoley4[AFK]>	^
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May 06 04:17:41 *	slakr preps the tranq dart
May 06 04:17:45 <Logan_>	heh
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May 06 04:18:02 <Herodotus>	For the record, "no problemo" is all I was referring to. :-)
May 06 04:18:06 <Gfoley4>	slakr: aka, /quiet?
May 06 04:18:08 <Gfoley4>	;)
May 06 04:19:54 <Mike_H>	Myra: Te quiero, mami.
May 06 04:20:01 *	Myra snuggles Mike_H.
May 06 04:20:04 <Mike_H>	:>
May 06 04:20:27 <Meepsheep>	can you snuggle me?
May 06 04:20:54 <Myra>	No.
May 06 04:21:03 <Meepsheep>	and why not?
May 06 04:21:27 <Krimpet>	He'd be locked up. Age of consent and all.
May 06 04:21:45 *	Prodego is now known as elapse
May 06 04:21:47 <Meepsheep>	but they are e-snuggles
May 06 04:22:10 <Krimpet>	Doesn't matter!
May 06 04:22:24 <slakr>	party van.
May 06 04:23:03 <Myra>	More party, less van.
May 06 04:23:34 <Logan_>	what's a party without a van?
May 06 04:24:38 <Meepsheep>	party van ceases to amuse me
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May 06 04:25:12 <Logan_>	an ancient Greek philosopher once said, "I like to party, but I need my van to maintain a strong sense of pathos."
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May 06 04:25:25 <Logan_>	it's true - I conjured it during REM last night
May 06 04:25:56 <matthewrbowker>	Logan_: {{citation needed}}
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May 06 04:26:17 <Logan_>	matthewrbowker: you forgot the date parameter :P
May 06 04:26:23 <Logan_>	poor SmackBot
May 06 04:26:26 <matthewrbowker>	darn...
May 06 04:28:23 <Mike_H>	A citation is never needed. It's called living.
May 06 04:28:32 <matthewrbowker>	Logan_: How about {{citation needed |date=January 10BC}} ?
May 06 04:28:38 <Logan_>	especially when the statements are from me
May 06 04:28:44 <Logan_>	since I am automatically verifiable and reliable
May 06 04:29:20 <Mike_H>	tru.
May 06 04:31:12 <Logan_>	Myra: How much do confident ganders sell for, anyway?
May 06 04:31:20 <Gfoley4>	name that announcer: "You can put in on the board..... YES!"
May 06 04:31:27 <Gfoley4>	*it
May 06 04:31:32 <Logan_>	(as opposed to those cowardly, inbred geese)
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May 06 04:35:03 <Myra>	/clear
May 06 04:35:13 <Logan_>	:P
May 06 04:35:18 <Logan_>	I see how it is
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May 06 04:35:54 <Myra>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Broken_section_anchors
May 06 04:37:17 *	Logan_ throws some more bullshit template parameters at Myra 
May 06 04:38:00 <Logan_>	I didn't know that the sysops were so lax about DBR names :P
May 06 04:38:10 <Logan_>	but, then again, you do pretty much run DBR
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May 06 05:04:09 <geniice>	if you can see this vid check out the 4:10 mark
May 06 05:04:10 <geniice>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj67
May 06 05:04:48 <geniice>	forget drug smuggling  the new line is zamzam waet smuggling
May 06 05:05:19 <Meepsheep>	drug smuggling you say?
May 06 05:09:06 <geniice>	Meepsheep so last year
May 06 05:09:21 <geniice>	zamzam water smuggling is the new in thing
May 06 05:10:06 <Meepsheep>	i see
May 06 05:11:53 <geniice>	hmm will you look at that http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Zamzam_Well
May 06 05:12:52 <Meepsheep>	that's how it works
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May 06 05:42:18 <Ironholds>	I just got an email from my land law lecturer telling me she hates me
May 06 05:42:23 <Ironholds>	university is fun!
May 06 05:42:50 <Meepsheep>	And what reason does she have for hating you?
May 06 05:43:10 <Ironholds>	I submitted a first-class essay a day late, and so she has to cap it at a 2:2
May 06 05:43:19 <Ironholds>	this is apparently "utterly infuriating"
May 06 05:43:34 <Meepsheep>	sounds like a bitch
May 06 05:43:40 <Ironholds>	naw, she's awesomely snarky
May 06 05:43:56 <Ironholds>	we feud publicly and regularly, but always in good faith
May 06 05:44:10 <Ironholds>	which as my insurance law lecturer will tell you, is incredibly important
May 06 05:44:13 <Meepsheep>	then again, most people who have been in positions of authority for extended periods of time are
May 06 05:46:10 *	JustinBieber (~Bor@unaffiliated/leona) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 05:46:21 <JustinBieber>	hi
May 06 05:46:29 <Ironholds>	Meepsheep: you seem to be confusing assholery with a sense of humour
May 06 05:46:35 <Herodotus>	JustinBieber: No.
May 06 05:46:40 <Ironholds>	we're British. The snark becomes ingrained after a few years.
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May 06 05:46:55 <Meepsheep>	Ironholds, not for all
May 06 05:47:30 <Ironholds>	for the good ones
May 06 05:47:33 <JustinBieber>	no?
May 06 05:47:49 <Meepsheep>	true
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May 06 05:49:06 <JustinBieber>	how do you become an admin?
May 06 05:49:16 <Shirik>	you start out by not having a crappy name
May 06 05:49:18 <Ironholds>	with great difficulty and zen
May 06 05:49:30 <Ironholds>	Shirik: leona is a long-term troll. Ignore it.
May 06 05:49:36 <Shirik>	oh
May 06 05:49:44 <Shirik>	I've kinda been ignoring the IRC world for the past few months
May 06 05:50:15 <Ironholds>	I'd noticed ;p
May 06 05:50:20 <Meepsheep>	JustinBieber, so what are your views on Wikipeida?
May 06 05:50:47 <mono>	!ops troll
May 06 05:50:48 <JustinBieber>	Last time I came in here, I was very respectful and civil if I recall.
May 06 05:51:06 <Bejinhan>	Meepsheep.needs.a.ban
May 06 05:51:18 <Ironholds>	Bejinhan: he's on his last strike, I believe
May 06 05:51:23 <JustinBieber>	My views?
May 06 05:51:27 <Meepsheep>	JustinBieber, that is good as I am also a respectful e-citizen
May 06 05:51:31 <Bejinhan>	JustinBieber: just ignore him.
May 06 05:51:37 <Bejinhan>	Ironholds: i hope
May 06 05:51:40 <Meepsheep>	and Ironholds, I am only on my first strike
May 06 05:51:42 <mono>	Can everyone just shut up?
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May 06 05:51:59 <JustinBieber>	No.
May 06 05:52:02 <mono>	Meepsheep: you're now on your third, because "I said so"
May 06 05:52:10 <Meepsheep>	mono, we are simply having a conversation
May 06 05:52:14 <Herodotus>	The gang's all here. Now all we need is BLACK_MAN.
May 06 05:52:33 <JustinBieber>	lolwut wth
May 06 05:52:35 <Meepsheep>	BLACK_MAN :D
May 06 05:52:40 <JustinBieber>	Nice nick -_-
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May 06 05:53:44 <Meepsheep>	so JustinBieber, shall we discuss en-wikipedia related issues?
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May 06 05:54:30 <JustinBieber>	No thanks. I prefer to be silent atm.
May 06 05:54:38 <Meepsheep>	very well then
May 06 05:55:04 <Matthewedwards>	OMG!!! Justin Bieber!!!! Aaaaaaahhhh!!!!111111111one
May 06 05:56:26 <JustinBieber>	Hm.
May 06 05:56:42 <matthewrbowker>	Matthewedwards: Calm down.  (s)he hasn't started singing, yet.
May 06 05:57:04 <JustinBieber>	Now either that was an exclamation of fear or excitement.
May 06 05:57:04 <Matthewedwards>	baby baby baby oh!
May 06 05:57:21 <Matthewedwards>	lol, fear
May 06 05:57:31 *	matthewrbowker pulls out earplugs and hands them out.
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May 06 05:57:33 <JustinBieber>	Weird if you hate me, you know the words to the song....
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May 06 05:57:54 <JustinBieber>	Sure you're not a closet-belieber?
May 06 05:57:57 <Matthewedwards>	my son is a belieber
May 06 05:58:00 <Matthewedwards>	he's 7
May 06 05:58:18 <Meepsheep>	Is he curious?
May 06 05:58:19 <Matthewedwards>	I know the words...
May 06 05:58:22 *	Matthewedwards shrugs
May 06 05:58:29 <JustinBieber>	that must be painful for you.
May 06 05:58:40 <JustinBieber>	to have to endure my voice.
May 06 05:58:47 <Matthewedwards>	curious? To what? Painful, yes :)
May 06 05:58:54 <Meepsheep>	Is it a disappointment Matthewedwards?
May 06 05:59:01 <Meepsheep>	Knowing that your son will never reproduce
May 06 05:59:08 <Meepsheep>	and carry out your family name
May 06 05:59:21 <JustinBieber>	So now we're being homophobic?
May 06 05:59:27 <Matthewedwards>	he's 7 you dick
May 06 05:59:37 <Meepsheep>	I am just asking a question
May 06 05:59:42 <Matthewedwards>	and no, it wouldn't bother me one bit if he turned out to be gay
May 06 05:59:49 <Matthewedwards>	I'd be more bothered if he decided to be a cop
May 06 05:59:59 <Meepsheep>	So you are against the police force?
May 06 06:00:12 <Meepsheep>	Those who protect you and your family?
May 06 06:00:14 <Matthewedwards>	certainly the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department
May 06 06:00:21 <Matthewedwards>	they protect shit
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May 06 06:00:36 <Meepsheep>	I get it
May 06 06:00:37 <Matthewedwards>	they ticket for broken taillights, loud exhausts, tassels hanging from rear view mirrors
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May 06 06:00:53 <Hermione>	i like breasts.
May 06 06:01:05 <Matthewedwards>	otherwise they don't do much
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May 06 06:01:09 <Meepsheep>	As well as tracking down murderers, rapists, etc
May 06 06:01:09 <JustinBieber>	Meepsheep: Why are you against homosexuality?
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May 06 06:01:17 <Meepsheep>	JustinBieber, I am not
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May 06 06:01:23 <Matthewedwards>	park their bikes outside Arco stations and eat AMPM burgers
May 06 06:01:32 <Meepsheep>	I am simply asking Matthew what his views on it and his family are
May 06 06:01:59 <JustinBieber>	Well stating that a young child will not reproduce if he listens to Justin Bieber is stating otherwise......
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May 06 06:02:22 <Meepsheep>	Because it is an early sign of homosexual behavior
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May 06 06:03:15 <matthewrbowker>	...that was wrong on so many levels.
May 06 06:03:29 <Meepsheep>	how so?
May 06 06:05:19 <matthewrbowker>	Let's see: Homosexuality, 7 year old boys reproducing, et cetra.
May 06 06:05:34 <catspjs01>	homosexuality is not wrong...
May 06 06:05:47 <Meepsheep>	I never said that
May 06 06:06:07 <catspjs01>	but matthewrbowker just did
May 06 06:06:15 <Meepsheep>	yes he did
May 06 06:06:18 <matthewrbowker>	catspjs01: When associated with 7 year old boys it is :P
May 06 06:06:50 <catspjs01>	I disagree
May 06 06:06:57 <Meepsheep>	but it is the boy's lifestyle choice
May 06 06:07:14 <matthewrbowker>	Hmmm...OK, I concede.
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May 06 06:07:33 *	Mike_H pets closedmouth and topaz.
May 06 06:08:09 <Matthewedwards>	lol, a 7 year old liking Justin Bieber, I'm pretty sure, is not an early sign of homosexuality
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May 06 06:08:44 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: I debated whether or not to buy my 88-year-old grandmother a Justin Bieber poster for Mother's Day
May 06 06:08:44 <Meepsheep>	but this is a 7 year old boy
May 06 06:08:45 <matthewrbowker>	If anything, it gives him a talking point with girls (have you seen the size of beiber's female fanbase)
May 06 06:08:45 <Mike_H>	for the lulz
May 06 06:08:52 <Matthewedwards>	I doubt he's even seen what Bieber really looks like considering we don't have TV and we don't let him on the internet
May 06 06:08:56 <catspjs01>	yeah, it really isn't a sign. There are plenty of people who like Justin Bieber who aren't homosexual and plenty who hate him who are
May 06 06:09:22 <Meepsheep>	catspjs01, then good for the gay community for disliking him
May 06 06:09:33 <Matthewedwards>	lol@ Mike_H
May 06 06:09:39 <Mike_H>	I don't think it's a gay thing
May 06 06:09:53 <Mike_H>	because I'd like to think gay people dislike singers with no talent
May 06 06:09:54 <Mike_H>	but then again
May 06 06:09:56 <Matthewedwards>	no, it's pretty much a anybody-over-13 thing
May 06 06:09:57 <Mike_H>	they like Cazwell
May 06 06:09:58 <Mike_H>	so...
May 06 06:10:00 <catspjs01>	Meepsheep: I'm not saying it's a general dislikyness. I'm bi and I can't stand him
May 06 06:10:09 <Meepsheep>	Mike_H, but it could be an early sign for a young boy
May 06 06:10:20 <Mike_H>	if the young boy likes Cazwell, I would be more disturbed
May 06 06:10:29 *	matthewrbowker thinks it all comes down to someone's taste in music, to be honest.
May 06 06:10:31 <Matthewedwards>	meepsheep, you should stop trolling, or trying to troll
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May 06 06:10:51 <Mike_H>	matthewrbowker: lol, "taste" in "music"
May 06 06:10:57 <Meepsheep>	Matthewedwards, I am not. I am engaging in a discussion
May 06 06:11:01 <Mike_H>	that's like admitting that Captain and Tennille were musical geniuses
May 06 06:11:16 <catspjs01>	I think matthewrbowker is correct
May 06 06:11:22 <Mike_H>	and that the Grammy should have went to
May 06 06:11:31 <Mike_H>	SKY ROCKETS IN FLIGHT
May 06 06:11:35 <Mike_H>	AFTERNOON DELIGHT
May 06 06:12:08 <Matthewedwards>	not really. You're saying a young boy, my young boy, is going to turn out gay because he heard Baby Baby Baby and Somebody to Love on the radio a few times and I went out and bought the album for him
May 06 06:12:18 <Matthewedwards>	and you're waiting to get a rise
May 06 06:12:27 <Kafkaesque>	Freddy Mercury makes everyone gay.
May 06 06:12:32 <Mike_H>	I don't know how this conversation started btw.
May 06 06:12:59 <matthewrbowker>	Matthewedwards: I agree, that does seem to be profiling... and kinda mean.
May 06 06:13:02 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: how is that a validated statement?
May 06 06:13:04 <Mike_H>	Kafkaesque: Lies. After all, he said fat-bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round.
May 06 06:13:07 <Krimpet>	Well, you're talking about a kid who posed as Justin Bieber online and posted all the contact info of the girls that contacted him. Sounds like a troll to me. :p
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May 06 06:13:25 <Kafkaesque>	catspjs01: Not entirely sure what you mean by that.
May 06 06:13:33 <Mike_H>	Krimpet: Fat-bottomed girls
May 06 06:13:36 <Mike_H>	you make the rockin' world go round.
May 06 06:13:43 <Kafkaesque>	Mike_H: Fine, maybe he makes everyone bi. ;)
May 06 06:13:51 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: evidence for how Freddy Mercury makes people gay
May 06 06:13:52 <Kafkaesque>	Bi and BBW.
May 06 06:14:02 <Mike_H>	lol evidence
May 06 06:14:04 <Mike_H>	wtf is this, Judge Judy
May 06 06:14:05 <Kafkaesque>	catspjs01: There isn't evidence, it's a joke.
May 06 06:14:08 <Krimpet>	Mike_H, such a naughty nanny!
May 06 06:14:13 <Mike_H>	Krimpet: <3
May 06 06:14:20 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: My bad, read it wrong. Continue :P
May 06 06:14:22 <Matthewedwards>	I <3 that show!
May 06 06:14:28 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: MADAM
May 06 06:14:30 <Mike_H>	I AM SPEAKING
May 06 06:14:44 <Matthewedwards>	put your listening ears on!
May 06 06:14:57 <Matthewedwards>	"Um" is not an answer!
May 06 06:14:59 <Mike_H>	I AM SMARTER THAN YOU ON YOUR BEST DAY THAN I AM ON MY WORST DAY!
May 06 06:15:10 <Kafkaesque>	"Continue"? I'll stick to my random and irreverent interjections that go no where and add nothing.
May 06 06:15:22 <catspjs01>	Kafkaesque: Exactly. I approve
May 06 06:15:25 <Matthewedwards>	Don't look over there! The answer isn't on the ceiling! Look at me!
May 06 06:15:33 <catspjs01>	(not, of course, that that matters at all)
May 06 06:15:36 <Matthewedwards>	Mike_H I also like People's Court :/
May 06 06:15:47 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: I'm giving you 30 seconds to plead your case. Start...now.
May 06 06:15:53 <Matthewedwards>	"Stick a fork in me I'm done!"
May 06 06:16:02 <Matthewedwards>	"Ching ching, let the cash register ring!"
May 06 06:16:06 <Mike_H>	Matthewedwards: Did you see the clip where Judge Milian went spicy mami on this one defendant
May 06 06:16:21 <Mike_H>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJnA_mt_UA
May 06 06:16:36 <Matthewedwards>	no, we haven't had TV in months and I can't find it on any torrents, public or private
May 06 06:16:52 <Matthewedwards>	or Usenet :(
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May 06 06:28:33 <OdaMari>	Anyone?
May 06 06:28:43 <Matthewedwards>	yo
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May 06 06:28:57 *	matthewrbowker waves to OdaMari.
May 06 06:29:35 <OdaMari>	I have a question about ref.
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May 06 06:30:35 <matthewrbowker>	OdaMari: Go ahead and ask, we're listening :)
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May 06 06:30:46 <OdaMari>	s it OK to use this
May 06 06:30:49 <OdaMari>	http://www.animalstamps.com/akita.htm
May 06 06:30:50 <OdaMari>	as a ref?
May 06 06:30:51 <OdaMari>	this is the edit
May 06 06:30:53 <OdaMari>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Akita&diff=427618100&oldid=427608643#cite_ref-stamps_11-0
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May 06 06:32:12 <OdaMari>	The page says "Buy! Buy! Buy!"
May 06 06:32:14 <OdaMari>	The page is not appropriate as EL. So I thought it should not be used as ref too.
May 06 06:32:15 <OdaMari>	 
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May 06 06:40:39 <Shirik>	does anyone here know russian? Google translate translated something to "fuck you would still LULLABY SUPPLY!" and I really want to know what it's supposed to say now
May 06 06:40:55 <Matthewedwards>	OdaMari, what exactly on the page is being used as the reference?
May 06 06:41:14 <Matthewedwards>	Shirik, go to #wikipedia-ru they speak English in there, somewhat
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May 06 06:43:22 <OdaMari>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Akita#Akitas_Elsewhere
May 06 06:43:24 <OdaMari>	the last sentense of Akitas Elsewhere section.
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May 06 06:46:23 <Shirik>	holy crap
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May 06 06:46:38 <Shirik>	Sony just bought a $1 million per person identity theft insurance policy
May 06 06:46:54 <matthewrbowker>	O.O
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May 06 06:46:59 <Matthewedwards>	ah. I would say it's not a RS. Looks like a fansite.
May 06 06:47:27 <Matthewedwards>	[[Stanley Gibbons]] produce books about what stamps have been released in different countries. Those would be RSes
May 06 06:47:29 <Ktr101>	Matthewedwards: supposedly they are about to be hacked again
May 06 06:47:29 <Shirik>	http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/05/a-letter-from-howard-stringer/
May 06 06:47:43 <Matthewedwards>	huh? Who?
May 06 06:50:24 <OdaMari>	it's appropriate to replace the EL with "citation needed"?
May 06 06:51:06 <Ktr101>	oh, thought you were talking about the sony thing Matthewedwards
May 06 06:51:18 <Matthewedwards>	ah, no
May 06 06:52:55 <Matthewedwards>	OdaMari: leave a message on the talk page.. check back in about a week. If it's still there, remove it and tag the sentence with {{cn}} or {{fact}} whatever
May 06 06:54:11 <OdaMari>	OK.. Thank you. Have a good day!
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May 06 07:29:05 <Headbomb|Laptop>	I AM GALBATOR THE MIGHTY
May 06 07:29:09 <Headbomb|Laptop>	BOW BEFORE ME!
May 06 07:29:53 <closedmouth>	nah
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May 06 07:33:48 <MuZemike>	Wow
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May 06 07:34:05 <MuZemike>	And I thought I was the drunk one
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May 06 07:38:02 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not drunk
May 06 07:38:06 <Headbomb|Laptop>	possessed by a demon
May 06 07:38:10 <Headbomb|Laptop>	not the same hting
May 06 07:38:12 <Headbomb|Laptop>	thing
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May 06 07:39:04 <Ironholds>	I hate essays
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May 06 07:40:41 <MuZemike>	Well, there goes WP:HAMMER
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May 06 07:41:09 <closedmouth>	where did it go
May 06 07:41:10 <Headbomb|Laptop>	stupid laptop
May 06 07:41:16 <Headbomb|Laptop>	what did it miss?
May 06 07:41:24 <killiondude>	down the WP:DRAIN
May 06 07:41:59 <Headbomb|Laptop>	great, now there's a WP:HAMMER in my WP:SOUP
May 06 07:42:09 <MuZemike>	Just like [[WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT]], when those who can read into others' minds what they *really* think about an article which they want to keep but don't really give two shits about.
May 06 07:42:48 <MuZemike>	i.e. "I don't think this is true" is interpreted as "I don't like it".
May 06 07:43:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	most epic IDONTLIKE i saw was for our [[particle]] article
May 06 07:43:51 <Headbomb|Laptop>	weirdest deletion discussion in the world
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May 06 07:44:33 <Headbomb|Laptop>	yes, you read that right, someone wanted to delete the article on particles
May 06 07:45:37 <Headbomb|Laptop>	said it was not notable/verifiable/covered in reliable sources
May 06 07:46:02 <MuZemike>	"Strongest possible keep and rescue. The nomination is a prime example of a bad idea, reckless, and a sign of why our Civilization is slouching towards Jerusalem."
May 06 07:46:14 <MuZemike>	That admin needs to take a wikibreak.
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May 06 07:48:11 <MuZemike>	Of course, some have absolutely no knowledge about something but instead !vote to "keep" per political motivations (same with "delete").
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May 06 07:48:43 <MuZemike>	Obviously, this was not the case, but there are others in which this would apply.
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May 06 07:49:47 <LauraHale>	Does anyone have an example of a good fair use rationale?
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May 06 07:50:11 <MuZemike>	Images in many articles in [[WP:VG/FA]]
May 06 07:51:24 <MuZemike>	About 95% of the images in that project are non-free and require a fair-use rationale.
May 06 07:52:15 <Headbomb|Laptop>	LauraHale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charmed-dia-w.png
May 06 07:52:51 <LauraHale>	Headbomb: Thank you.
May 06 07:53:28 <MuZemike>	Shouldn't there be a license there or something? (not that it can't be easily added if there if one)
May 06 07:54:15 <killiondude>	Yes, that seems to be missing a license template.
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May 06 07:54:49 <MuZemike>	Yeah, but there should be one out there, though.
May 06 07:56:05 <closedmouth>	LauraHale: what kind of image is it for? because there are lots of boilerplates for logos and book covers and such
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May 06 07:58:08 <Ironholds>	*sigh*
May 06 07:58:22 <Ironholds>	tonight I can write articles. finally.
May 06 07:58:58 <Bejinhan>	this discussion is making causing me to o.O http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoodDay#Pippa_Middleton
May 06 07:59:23 <Bejinhan>	*causing
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May 06 08:01:19 <LauraHale>	Ironholds: Congrats? :)
May 06 08:01:45 <MuZemike>	FWIW, this thing with Jack Merridew is making causing me to o_0
May 06 08:02:23 <Bejinhan>	MuZemike: :P
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May 06 08:03:00 <MuZemike>	But then again, anything that involves "party votes" (i.e. voting strictly across inclusionist or deletionist lines) also makes me o_0
May 06 08:03:50 <MuZemike>	And it makes me want to get several beers and drown myself, honestly.
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May 06 08:07:55 <WhatIfReally>	Were there any female classical music composers?????
May 06 08:08:18 <WhatIfReally>	A lot of us would wish to throw Rebecca Black back to [[1811]] and STRAND her there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP887IpQL00
May 06 08:08:47 <closedmouth>	is that a serious question?
May 06 08:08:49 *	MuZemike requests consensus to go to the bathroom
May 06 08:09:00 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women_classical_composers
May 06 08:09:01 <WhatIfReally>	She'd be considered a resounding child prodigy, and out-meme Beethoven...
May 06 08:09:05 <closedmouth>	or are you just spamming your shitty youtube video
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May 06 08:09:26 <WhatIfReally>	lol no spam; I was blown away by the classicalized rendition of her hated song.
May 06 08:10:21 <WhatIfReally>	killiondude: No recognized names. WHich one's most famous?
May 06 08:10:35 <killiondude>	no idea.
May 06 08:11:01 <WhatIfReally>	Even though Mozart was known as a resounding prodigy, he'd be taken for granted if he was around as a kid today, like Bieber & Black.
May 06 08:12:06 <WhatIfReally>	And if Bieber was thrown back 200 years, this would be it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5YkFJJLALo&feature=channel_video_title
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May 06 08:13:08 <WhatIfReally>	lol, you just got rickrolled...
May 06 08:13:52 <WhatIfReally>	here, for real now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4025NW_g_Gs
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May 06 08:14:36 <killiondude>	i am really interested in all these youtube videos
May 06 08:14:42 <killiondude>	i have clicked them all
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May 06 08:19:05 <closedmouth>	he's being sarcastic, i think
May 06 08:19:17 <closedmouth>	killiondude: are you being sarcastic? i can't tell
May 06 08:19:58 <killiondude>	why would i be sarcastic to this nice fellow
May 06 08:20:05 <killiondude>	banish the thought
May 06 08:20:34 <closedmouth>	holdin back the yeeeears
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May 06 08:24:22 <Headbomb|Laptop>	"Every team in Major League Baseball uses Baseball Rubbing Mud to rub their balls in before their pitchers use them in games.[2]"
May 06 08:24:24 <Headbomb|Laptop>	lmao
May 06 08:24:47 <kisuke>	... well thats definatly a double entendre...
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May 06 08:29:58 <Headbomb|Laptop>	"In 2005, the remains of the ball were used by the restaurant in a pasta sauce. While no part of the ball itself was in the sauce, the ball was boiled and the steam captured, distilled, and added to the final concoction."
May 06 08:30:00 <Headbomb|Laptop>	WTF
May 06 08:30:24 <closedmouth>	v_v
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May 06 08:31:14 <TBloemink>	great
May 06 08:31:16 <TBloemink>	oh
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May 06 08:32:19 <LauraHale>	Is the Republican debate worth watching?
May 06 08:32:39 <closedmouth>	hell no
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May 06 08:33:12 <LauraHale>	Good to know.
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May 06 08:33:53 <closedmouth>	just watch the daily show/colbert for the highlights
May 06 08:36:07 <kisuke>	*shudder* politics
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May 06 08:39:37 <WhatIfReally>	Headbomb|Laptop: Is that "lucky" mud? Or does it give functional value?
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May 06 08:42:42 <Headbomb|Laptop>	WhatIfReally: i'm no expert, but the article seems to say it's to give the ball a grip, and remove some of the shine
May 06 08:42:59 <WhatIfReally>	Headbomb|Laptop: Why not keep the shine?
May 06 08:43:11 <Headbomb|Laptop>	glare, i would assume
May 06 08:43:21 <kisuke>	WhatIfReally: make the ball marginally harder to see
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May 06 08:43:25 <closedmouth>	wind resistance
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May 06 08:43:47 <closedmouth>	well, not wind, obviously
May 06 08:44:53 <killiondude>	closedmouth broke wind
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May 06 09:01:14 <RudyValencia>	Why is the "Yorkie" candy bar "not for girls"?
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May 06 09:02:48 <closedmouth>	something chauvinistic
May 06 09:03:34 <foks>	RudyValencia, long-time ad campaign
May 06 09:04:28 <RudyValencia>	does it have something in it to keep girls from eating it?
May 06 09:04:42 <foks>	No.
May 06 09:04:50 <foks>	It's just tougher than a Dairy Milk.
May 06 09:04:52 <foks>	:D
May 06 09:04:55 <RudyValencia>	Okay.
May 06 09:05:13 <RudyValencia>	And Dairy Milk is like a Hershey bar in the US?
May 06 09:05:16 <foks>	It was targeted at men
May 06 09:05:20 <foks>	...huh
May 06 09:05:28 *	foks googles Hershey
May 06 09:05:48 <RudyValencia>	http://hersheys.com
May 06 09:05:49 <foks>	...Yeah
May 06 09:05:54 <foks>	I think so
May 06 09:05:55 <RudyValencia>	ok
May 06 09:06:00 <foks>	It's by Cadbury
May 06 09:06:33 <RudyValencia>	ah
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May 06 09:06:53 <Pesky>	Hi hoooooo!
May 06 09:06:56 <foks>	o/
May 06 09:07:00 <Pesky>	[cue music]
May 06 09:07:01 <RudyValencia>	I see, so it's just a more robust candy bar so they claim "it's not for girls", but girls can eat it if they so choose. okay.
May 06 09:07:37 <Pesky>	Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to [forbidden word] we go ….
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May 06 09:08:57 <foks>	RudyValencia, yes. It's an ad campaign.
May 06 09:09:08 <Pesky>	Yorkie?
May 06 09:09:10 <foks>	It's just a gimmick
May 06 09:09:12 <foks>	Yeah.
May 06 09:09:19 <RudyValencia>	oh
May 06 09:09:23 <foks>	Yorkies are lovely though
May 06 09:09:24 <foks>	:3
May 06 09:09:28 <Pesky>	Too trye!
May 06 09:09:30 <Pesky>	true
May 06 09:09:32 <foks>	Not so much now they're lighter
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May 06 09:09:45 <Pesky>	I wish they'd invent a really dark chocolate Yorkie
May 06 09:09:51 <RudyValencia>	the 'military' version in rations says "not for civvies" :P
May 06 09:11:42 <foks>	Pesky, that would be, like, the most expensive sweet in the world
May 06 09:11:43 <Pesky>	Tremendous energy source if you're doing hard physical work all day
May 06 09:12:25 <Pesky>	I'm sure there'd be some more expensive 'luxury' chocolatiers' confection somewhere
May 06 09:12:40 <RudyValencia>	hehe I love chocolate
May 06 09:12:54 <Pesky>	Chocolate is brain food
May 06 09:13:20 <Pesky>	Theobromine + caffeine = good stuff
May 06 09:14:20 <Pesky>	Does anyone remember Irish Coffee Chocolate (in the kinda dusky pink coloured wrapper)
May 06 09:15:15 <Pesky>	… made with real Irish whiskey … mmmmmmmmm
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May 06 09:25:15 <RudyValencia>	Theobromine would not be good for my chihuahuas
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May 06 09:44:44 <Pesky>	RudyValencia: This is why chocolate is toxic to canines
May 06 09:45:11 <Pesky>	… and chocolate is a 'banned substance' for competition horses
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May 06 09:46:57 <Hedgehog456>	My dog loves chocolate
May 06 09:47:05 <Hedgehog456>	And I'm pretty sure she isn't dead
May 06 09:47:34 <Pesky>	Some canines tolerate it better than others; 'toxic' also doesn't always mean 'fatal' (though it can be)
May 06 09:47:52 <Pesky>	Alcohol is toxic …  but not usually fatal
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May 06 09:57:23 <Hedgehog456>	if (family['dog'].isDead = true) { me.action['mourn']; }
May 06 09:58:02 <Hedgehog456>	else { me.action['hug'](family['dog']) }
May 06 09:58:24 <Hedgehog456>	:P
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May 06 09:59:56 <wctaiwan>	Hedgehog456: you're always going to be mourning. Check your code.
May 06 10:00:19 <wctaiwan>	also, what language is that? It's C-derived and has associative arrays, but what is it
May 06 10:00:38 <Pesky>	My younger son's puppy is really cute - he was playing with out big GSD-type yesterday
May 06 10:00:46 <Pesky>	… he's about knee high on her!
May 06 10:01:00 <killiondude>	love that dog
May 06 10:01:09 <Pesky>	Which one?
May 06 10:01:12 <killiondude>	python?
May 06 10:01:17 <killiondude>	[[Love That Dog]]
May 06 10:01:21 <Pesky>	Oh, OK
May 06 10:01:46 <killiondude>	Huh. I didn't realize Creech wrote that.
May 06 10:02:30 <Hedgehog456>	if (freenode['channel']['#wikipedia-en']['mode'] != irc['mode']("+b *!*@*")) { irc.action['mode'](network = freenode, channel = freenode['channel']['#wikipedia-en'], mode = irc['mode']("+b *!*@*")) }
May 06 10:02:49 <Hedgehog456>	It's a completely made up language
May 06 10:03:53 <Hedgehog456>	that basically bans everyone from this channel :D
May 06 10:04:29 <Hedgehog456>	wctaiwan: The code is fine
May 06 10:05:09 <wctaiwan>	doesn't look like python killiondude, python is strictly typed
May 06 10:05:29 <wctaiwan>	wait no, wrong.
May 06 10:05:42 <wctaiwan>	not strictly / strongly typed. That spacing thingy
May 06 10:06:18 <wctaiwan>	Hedgehog456: how do you differentiate between assignment and equality check?
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May 06 10:06:59 <Hedgehog456>	wctaiwan: That'll be for Version 2
May 06 10:07:04 <wctaiwan>	-_-
May 06 10:07:08 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 06 10:07:12 <Hedgehog456>	I forgot that
May 06 10:07:28 <Hedgehog456>	Just throw check() around the thing you need to check
May 06 10:07:37 <Hedgehog456>	and set() around things you need to set
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May 06 10:12:17 <wctaiwan>	Hedgehog456: I'm sorry, but have you ever seen a language like that? No? Because that's just impractical.
May 06 10:12:34 <Hedgehog456>	:P
May 06 10:12:42 <Hedgehog456>	'twas a joke language
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May 06 10:46:10 <Qcoder00>	Morning?
May 06 10:46:19 <Qcoder00>	Any objections to updgrading old FUR's?
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May 06 10:54:44 <Qcoder00>	Morning
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May 06 11:08:45 <Qcoder00>	Hi
May 06 11:08:49 <Qcoder00>	techie question
May 06 11:09:06 <Qcoder00>	Is there a shortform template param that puts your user name into a page?
May 06 11:09:17 <Qcoder00>	like {{PAGENAME}} does for page names?
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May 06 11:11:51 <barts1a>	~~~~
May 06 11:11:54 <mabdul>	lol
May 06 11:12:29 <Qcoder00>	barts1a:  See - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Add-author-I&action=edit
May 06 11:12:57 <Qcoder00>	I am trying to put in a recomended form that users can use in conjunction with a subst of {{usernameexpand}}
May 06 11:13:24 *	barts1a wonders why 
May 06 11:13:30 <barts1a>	AARG!
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May 06 11:13:39 <LFThis>	HELLO?
May 06 11:13:46 *	barts1a wonders why Qcoder doesn't just use ~~~~
May 06 11:13:55 <Qcoder00>	barts1a:  because I wasn;t sure how to code it
May 06 11:13:56 <barts1a>	LFThis. Hello to you too
May 06 11:13:56 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 06 11:14:18 <Qcoder00>	If you know a way to achieve what you think i am trying to do , go to it :)
May 06 11:14:36 <LFThis>	I am looking for a story that involves a child who, through a "spell" (or something to that effect), no longer ages, hence stays a child. (But keeps learning.) S/he lives through many decades. What stories fit that description?
May 06 11:14:38 <barts1a>	There is already a way. ~~~~
May 06 11:14:49 <barts1a>	Peter Pan\
May 06 11:14:51 <Qcoder00>	barts1a:  Yes, but that signs...
May 06 11:14:53 <LFThis>	I'd love to read what a child would be like if s/he was 110 but still looked 10.
May 06 11:14:54 <barts1a>	*Peter Pan
May 06 11:15:07 <barts1a>	that's the closest I know
May 06 11:15:08 <Qcoder00>	barts1a: All I need is the user name , NOT the date
May 06 11:15:08 <LFThis>	barts1a: Sorry, but is there a sequel book that takes place in modern times?
May 06 11:15:16 <LFThis>	Is PP a series?
May 06 11:15:18 <barts1a>	not AFAIK
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May 06 11:15:28 <Qcoder00>	LFThis:  There are some 'sequels' to Peter Pan'
May 06 11:15:35 <Qcoder00>	but it's not a series
May 06 11:15:39 <LFThis>	I knew that he didn't *wanna* grow up but did he succeed in not (physically) growing up?
May 06 11:15:42 <ftwtf>	http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/06/us-binladen-pakistan-photos-idUSTRE7450G720110506 <-- What's the deal with this?  Is it just me, or is there no 'module to the left' to be found?
May 06 11:15:47 <ftwtf>	it says to see th epics using the module on the left but i can't find one.
May 06 11:16:10 <oona>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_immortals
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May 06 11:17:43 <LFThis>	(there's gotta be something more modern than Pan.)
May 06 11:17:49 <wctaiwan>	ftwtf: at least reuters has the dignity to say they bought the pictures outright.
May 06 11:18:02 <barts1a>	http://www.orbiter-forum.com/gallery/data/573/fail.jpg
May 06 11:19:12 <LFThis>	Ah, I found [[Peter Pan in Scarlet]] but I wish there was a film form of it. At least it takes place in an era of motorized transport.
May 06 11:19:42 <LFThis>	Now if only I could find an audio version of this book; an e-book or some electronic form. (I hate hoarding paper in my 1-bedroom.)
May 06 11:20:09 <barts1a>	LFThis maybe head to #books or something?
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May 06 11:21:34 <LFThis>	only 4 in there, including me, Barras[away]
May 06 11:21:41 <LFThis>	barts1a even
May 06 11:22:04 <ftwtf>	yeah, but i can't find the pictures, whether they admit to having bought them or not.
May 06 11:22:18 <ftwtf>	how do you view/access them at all, wctaiwan?
May 06 11:22:32 <wctaiwan>	ftwtf: Can't see them either.
May 06 11:22:36 <Barras[away]>	?
May 06 11:23:23 <ftwtf>	wctaiwan: that's weird.
May 06 11:23:30 <wctaiwan>	yeah
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May 06 11:26:30 <Hedgehog456>	Compiler error: 'Barras' is not a valid class, please create class. Wrong type of array input in class Barras (exist = no)
May 06 11:26:52 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 11:27:01 <Hedgehog456>	wctaiwan: Why I agree with you
May 06 11:27:14 <wctaiwan>	what?
May 06 11:27:42 <Hedgehog456>	The language I made was rubbish :D
May 06 11:27:51 <wctaiwan>	lol
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May 06 11:28:39 <alyxuk>	[11:15:47] <ftwtf> it says to see th epics using the module on the left but i can't find one. << Same.
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May 06 11:29:05 <alyxuk>	just checked source code
May 06 11:29:08 <alyxuk>	the module IS in there....
May 06 11:30:09 <alyxuk>	or not
May 06 11:30:59 <wctaiwan>	maybe one needs to be logged in?
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May 06 11:32:08 <wctaiwan>	rotten daisies and poopy bunnies, oh joy
May 06 11:32:13 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 11:32:23 <Hedgehog456>	They're fresh
May 06 11:32:31 <wctaiwan>	what, the poop?
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May 06 12:25:17 <Ironholds>	foks, I've worked out how to murder prince charles and get away with it
May 06 12:25:30 <Fluff|sleep>	...
May 06 12:25:40 <Ironholds>	he believes in homeopathy. I drown him
May 06 12:25:45 <foks>	Sweet
May 06 12:25:50 <foks>	Need help?
May 06 12:25:52 <foks>	:3
May 06 12:25:55 <Ironholds>	now, either he's right, in which case he's not dead because all the water is now prince charles
May 06 12:26:21 <Ironholds>	or he's wrong, in which case he can't be the heir to the throne, representative-of-god-divine-right-always-correct-so-on, and thus murdering him isn't treason
May 06 12:26:36 <Hedgehog456>	But it's still murder
May 06 12:27:18 <foks>	Oh Ironholds.
May 06 12:27:50 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: irrelevant
May 06 12:27:50 <Hedgehog456>	Actually, it isn't ;-)
May 06 12:27:56 <Ironholds>	oh?
May 06 12:28:03 <Hedgehog456>	Your reasoning is correct
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May 06 12:28:12 <Hedgehog456>	If he is right, he has become the water
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May 06 12:28:44 <Hedgehog456>	Apart from all his mental functions failing, he is still alive :D
May 06 12:28:47 <Ironholds>	but not-guilty-of-treason != not-guilty-of-murder ;p
May 06 12:29:22 <Hedgehog456>	Yes, but the Queen won't be happy
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May 06 12:34:09 <Hedgehog456>	X=-D
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May 06 12:55:23 <Ironholds>	hahah, I love b3ta
May 06 12:55:30 <Ironholds>	"worst relationship"
May 06 12:55:40 <Ironholds>	"I dated a wizard and the bitch ran off with my spellbook!"
May 06 12:55:44 <Ironholds>	"all the magic was gone :("
May 06 12:58:19 <Theo10011>	meh
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May 06 12:59:51 <alyxuk>	lol
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May 06 13:26:15 <tommorris>	any chance of an admin userfying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_people_who_dedicate_their_work_to_the_public_domain for me? I'd like to read it. ;-)
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May 06 13:34:52 <foks>	tommorris, I can email it?
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May 06 13:38:01 <tommorris>	foks: yep, that'd be great
May 06 13:38:07 <tommorris>	tom@tommorris.org
May 06 13:38:18 *	Fluffernutter quickly stalks & spams
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May 06 13:38:39 <Fluffernutter>	didn't your mama every tell you not to share your email address with strangers, young man?
May 06 13:39:45 <foks>	There's not much to the article to be fair
May 06 13:39:46 <foks>	But that's it sent
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May 06 13:40:31 <tommorris>	meh
May 06 13:40:37 <tommorris>	thanks foks
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May 06 13:40:46 <foks>	tommorris, not at all
May 06 13:41:02 *	Pesky returns from replanting jungles in kitchen and bathroom
May 06 13:41:04 <foks>	Wish I'd taken my iPod to charge.
May 06 13:41:08 <foks>	):
May 06 13:41:12 <tommorris>	oh bollocks. Two entries? That sucks.
May 06 13:41:26 <foks>	Also, I should probably get foxwiki-at-hotmail.com or something
May 06 13:41:32 <foks>	arsed though
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May 06 13:41:59 <tommorris>	I should probably start pointing people towards wikimedia@tommorris.org instead
May 06 13:42:06 *	tommorris loves having his own domain name
May 06 13:42:30 *	tommorris gets back to writing "Khan Academy is an iPad-shitting unicorn"
May 06 13:42:49 <foks>	I have my own domain
May 06 13:42:53 <foks>	I have about five or six
May 06 13:43:00 <foks>	But I don't have mailboxes for them :P
May 06 13:43:01 *	Fluffernutter has none
May 06 13:43:07 <Pesky>	hmmmm … mother is just trying to work out why dogs can't give blood to people, even though they can be blood donors for other dogs ...
May 06 13:43:12 <foks>	joe@fox.so would be awesome though
May 06 13:43:25 <foks>	Pesky, *pet pet*
May 06 13:43:32 <Pesky>	… the joys of early dementia ….
May 06 13:43:47 <foks>	):
May 06 13:43:49 *	Pesky greets foks with wolfy licky waggy-tail greeting
May 06 13:43:59 <foks>	:3
May 06 13:44:30 *	Pesky notices that Ironholds is hiding behind a piece of furniture ….. I shall wait … we wolves are good at that ...
May 06 13:44:43 <Bejinhan>	Ironholds is a...?
May 06 13:44:53 <foks>	cock
May 06 13:44:55 <foks>	<3
May 06 13:44:59 <Pesky>	nonono ….. Pesky wolf, Ironholds plaything :o)
May 06 13:45:59 <Fluffernutter>	lol
May 06 13:46:00 <Pesky>	fluffy hairy plaything …..
May 06 13:46:14 <Fluffernutter>	hey foks/tommorris, how did the elections play out?
May 06 13:46:24 <foks>	The Scottish ones? Not well.
May 06 13:46:31 <foks>	The English ones? No idea.
May 06 13:47:06 *	Ironholds returns
May 06 13:47:11 <Pesky>	yaaay!
May 06 13:47:15 <Pesky>	Wheeeeeeee!
May 06 13:47:22 <Ironholds>	english ones = bad
May 06 13:47:31 *	Pesky does flying across-room leapy tackle-hung on Ironholds
May 06 13:47:46 <Pesky>	licky licky nibbly-flear-hunt lick lick lick
May 06 13:47:56 <foks>	The fucking nationalists have a majority now
May 06 13:47:56 *	Pesky washes Ironholds  ears and eyes
May 06 13:47:59 *	tommorris feels slightly disturbed
May 06 13:48:01 <Bejinhan>	but the tories and lib dems are still in power, aren't they?
May 06 13:48:07 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris, as well you should
May 06 13:48:15 <foks>	The English elections were purely for councils
May 06 13:48:19 <foks>	Bejinhan, ^
May 06 13:48:23 *	Pesky has Ironholds pinned to floor, forepaws on hair ……
May 06 13:48:31 <Hedgehog456>	...
May 06 13:48:40 <Bejinhan>	Pesky is an unusual grandmother
May 06 13:48:43 <Bejinhan>	:D
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May 06 13:48:44 <foks>	The Scottish ones, however, were for the devolved government.
May 06 13:48:51 *	Pesky is a were human
May 06 13:49:05 <Hedgehog456>	Yes, now please get into the van.
May 06 13:49:06 <Bejinhan>	foks: that means the national government isn't affected?
May 06 13:49:14 <Pesky>	Ironholds: , have you  not noticed you have a large wold lying on your chest, gazing affectionately into your eyes?
May 06 13:49:18 <Pesky>	*wolf
May 06 13:49:36 <foks>	Bejinhan, the United Kingdom one is not, but it properly gauged public opinion of the coalition
May 06 13:49:38 <Hedgehog456>	Whenever you do that he /dies/
May 06 13:49:53 <Pesky>	no, he doesn't die ….
May 06 13:50:03 <Hedgehog456>	He vanishes
May 06 13:50:04 <Pesky>	He is just overwhelmed with it all
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May 06 13:50:10 <Hedgehog456>	I imagine so
May 06 13:50:18 <Bejinhan>	foks: ah i see
May 06 13:50:26 <Pesky>	No, he loves it really.  Ironholds  /likes/ intelligent, dominant females , hur hur hur
May 06 13:50:39 <foks>	The Scottish government, Bejinhan, was decided completely
May 06 13:50:41 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: :-D
May 06 13:50:46 <foks>	And it's a majority for the SNP.
May 06 13:50:54 <Ironholds>	Pesky: affectionately?
May 06 13:50:55 <Bejinhan>	foks: was there a change of government?
May 06 13:50:55 <Ironholds>	BAD TOUCH
May 06 13:50:58 <Pesky>	yes
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May 06 13:51:01 <Ironholds>	my heart already belongs to someone else
May 06 13:51:05 <Pesky>	licklicklick
May 06 13:51:08 <Ironholds>	and when I find out who she is, I'm THERE dammit.
May 06 13:51:21 <Pesky>	I don;'t mind sharing you
May 06 13:51:23 <foks>	Bejinhan, SNP had a minority, now a majority
May 06 13:51:40 *	Fluffernutter grins, hugs Pesky
May 06 13:51:48 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: I stole your heart on the 5th April. I then sold it at auction. Don't you remember? Haven't you got logs? :D
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May 06 13:51:58 <Bejinhan>	foks: oh okay. so a change in government. interesting.
May 06 13:52:00 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: go marvel at [[Kaycee Nicole]]
May 06 13:52:00 *	Pesky transfers manic wolfly greeting to Fluffernutter  and lets Ironholds get back up off floor
May 06 13:52:01 <Hedgehog456>	Luckily I bought the heart back.
May 06 13:52:23 <Hedgehog456>	It was all a trick to escape the collapse of Lloyds TSB. Which never happened.
May 06 13:52:24 *	Fluffernutter misses her dog; will settle for a manic wolf in the meantime
May 06 13:52:35 *	Hedgehog456 gives Ironholds his heart back
May 06 13:52:47 <Qcoder00>	Hmm
May 06 13:52:49 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: gets face thoroughly wasjed by said wolf
May 06 13:52:51 <Qcoder00>	Afternoon
May 06 13:53:03 *	Pesky sneaks up and grabs Ironholds  heart while he isn;t looking
May 06 13:53:07 *	Qcoder00 curtsies for Pesky and Fluffernutter
May 06 13:53:17 *	Pesky hugs Qcoder00 
May 06 13:53:38 <Qcoder00>	Probably will not be on IRC much soon
May 06 13:53:51 <Qcoder00>	Garden needs major flamethrower action
May 06 13:53:51 *	Pesky will hide Ironholds ' heart in den ……
May 06 13:53:55 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: http://www.enciclopedia.com.pt/images/lobo_iberico.jpg
May 06 13:54:10 <Pesky>	Ahhhh, Iberian wolves are gorgeous
May 06 13:54:31 <foks>	Wolves wouldn't think twice about ripping your face off.
May 06 13:54:40 <foks>	I'm not getting why people are so attached ):
May 06 13:54:53 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: saw it
May 06 13:55:10 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm not getting shared, dammit
May 06 13:55:10 <Pesky>	Wolves will accept anyone who fits into the pack
May 06 13:55:18 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  yes, you are
May 06 13:55:20 <Ironholds>	I will find a woman who loves and respects me and I will settle down with her, and only her
May 06 13:55:27 <Ironholds>	not for long, mind you, because glaucoma is curable
May 06 13:55:32 <Pesky>	But what will you do until then?
May 06 13:55:35 <Ironholds>	but I'm sure I'll be happy for a bit
May 06 13:55:45 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm 20 and for some reason weird women like me
May 06 13:55:53 *	Fluffernutter snorts
May 06 13:55:56 <Ironholds>	have massive amounts of emotionless sex with people I don't respect, of course
May 06 13:56:01 <Fluffernutter>	i'm sure you'll grow out of it
May 06 13:56:08 <Pesky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raven_Greeting.jpg = Pesky-type wolf
May 06 13:56:57 <Pesky>	Jeeze, that means you are younger than my youngest offspring …. fortunately age is irrelevat.  ?Within limits.
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May 06 13:57:33 <Pesky>	Sex without affection is not worth it
May 06 13:58:17 <Qcoder00>	I was saying there needs to be more 'free' (GNU sense) love than  yet more 'FREE SEX !! XXX ' :(
May 06 13:58:25 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: I'm sure he's lying ……
May 06 13:58:39 <Fluffernutter>	about women liking him?
May 06 13:58:54 <Pesky>	no, about the massive amounts of emotionless sex
May 06 13:59:04 <tommorris>	Affectionless sex seems like a perfectly pleasant way of passing one's time. Makes a break from editing Wikipedia.
May 06 13:59:18 <Pesky>	But you have to be able to laugh with each other ….
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May 06 13:59:33 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: there's a difference, in my mind, between loveless sex (fine) and affectionless sex (awkward)
May 06 13:59:35 <Qcoder00>	Emotionless sex is bad
May 06 13:59:37 <Pesky>	It's good to be friends, at least
May 06 13:59:52 <Qcoder00>	Without emotion , you loose the meaning
May 06 13:59:57 <Pesky>	Sex-with-genuine-affection is so much better
May 06 14:00:04 <foks>	"loose"
May 06 14:00:22 <Fluffernutter>	sex doesn't have to have meaning every time, Qcoder00
May 06 14:00:34 <Pesky>	Emotionless sex, you might just as well have an inflatable
May 06 14:00:56 <Hedgehog456>	if (people['random-woman']['beautiful']['remotely'] = true) { me['action']['sex'](people['random-woman']) }
May 06 14:01:01 <Pesky>	.. they don;t nag, or expect much from you.  And they nver want to chat after sex
May 06 14:01:01 <Qcoder00>	Given the way some MEN treat thier sexual partners, perhaps they'd be better WITH an inflatable....
May 06 14:01:07 <Fluffernutter>	well, with emotionless sex, you're a lot less likely to be invested in whether your partner has a good time. which can tend to make things awkward
May 06 14:01:08 <Hedgehog456>	emotionless sex, in some cases ^^^
May 06 14:01:15 <Pesky>	Have you heard Tim Minchin on that one?
May 06 14:01:21 <Qcoder00>	.. I mean you don't have to hide the bruising on an inflatable....
May 06 14:01:21 <Ironholds>	Pesky: inflatable you? :p
May 06 14:01:26 <Hedgehog456>	the if... then statement
May 06 14:01:26 <Pesky>	Yup, that's the one!
May 06 14:01:30 <Pesky>	Brill!
May 06 14:01:37 <Fluffernutter>	inflatable wolf sex doll
May 06 14:01:38 <Fluffernutter>	?
May 06 14:01:45 <Qcoder00>	:O
May 06 14:01:45 <Hedgehog456>	...:P
May 06 14:02:00 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  If you can get inflatable sheep....
May 06 14:02:05 <Fluffernutter>	lol
May 06 14:02:35 <Ironholds>	aanyway
May 06 14:02:37 <Pesky>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6raVzrbqrM
May 06 14:02:46 <Ironholds>	emotionless sex is fine
May 06 14:02:47 <tommorris>	oh god, I've just Googled [ inflatable sheep sex doll ]
May 06 14:02:47 <Qcoder00>	And from a linquistic point of view , a 'wolf' used to be a term for a predatory male....
May 06 14:02:54 <Ironholds>	as long as both parties know what it is
May 06 14:02:56 <Qcoder00>	*linquistic
May 06 14:03:00 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: did it not occur to you that that might not be great?
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May 06 14:03:02 <tommorris>	http://www.bachelorettepartydolls.com/inflatable-sheep-doll.html
May 06 14:03:04 <Ironholds>	and I don't end up with a girl screwing me three times and deciding she loves me and then fleein
May 06 14:03:06 <Ironholds>	*g
May 06 14:03:08 <Qcoder00>	*linguistic even
May 06 14:03:19 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: The CIA will come for you
May 06 14:03:25 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: now, now. you can hardly draw a trend from that happening once.
May 06 14:03:26 <tommorris>	I should have bought one of those in Amsterdam. Would have been a great way to smuggle weed. ;-)
May 06 14:03:34 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  :O
May 06 14:03:39 <Pesky>	Ironholds: you just need to find the right sex-buddy
May 06 14:03:43 <tommorris>	customs would never look inside an inflatable sheep sex doll
May 06 14:03:43 <Qcoder00>	You are not seriously considering that?
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May 06 14:03:49 <tommorris>	heh
May 06 14:03:50 <Qcoder00>	Oh really?
May 06 14:04:05 <Ironholds>	Pesky: unfortunately I'm stuck in a perpetual dichotomy
May 06 14:04:07 <tommorris>	except, you know, if you are stupid enough to talk about it on a public IRC channel first. ;-)
May 06 14:04:12 <Qcoder00>	UK Customs have been rumoured to look absolutely anywehere
May 06 14:04:12 <Pesky>	Have you tried Vaseline
May 06 14:04:17 <Ironholds>	Pesky: touche
May 06 14:04:20 <Pesky>	lol
May 06 14:04:24 *	tommorris has no intention of smuggling controlled substances in to the United Kingdom, let alone in a sex doll.
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May 06 14:04:46 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: they felt up Ironholds's hair, what makes you think they won't grope your sheep
May 06 14:04:53 <Qcoder00>	Pesky:  If you don't use Vaseline, don't be suprised if you and your girlfriend somke after a heavy session ;)
May 06 14:04:58 <Qcoder00>	*smoke
May 06 14:05:10 <tommorris>	Wikipedia sez: "Some inflatable sex dolls are made in the form of animals, most notably sheep and cows. These dolls are more of a joke gift or party novelty, and are often not suitable for sexual use."
May 06 14:05:12 <Logan_>	Fluffernutter: o/
May 06 14:05:15 <tommorris>	[[Sex doll]]
May 06 14:05:19 <Fluffernutter>	heya Logan_
May 06 14:05:41 <Pesky>	ID Millenium is much better than Vaseline
May 06 14:05:51 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:   Customs (in the UK) have found drugs in all manner of unusal places, including bras, corsets, platform shoes... Dildos ....
May 06 14:06:09 <tommorris>	kinky - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LeKayRing.jpg
May 06 14:06:24 <Fluffernutter>	Qcoder00, i'm a bit afraid to ask how you know this
May 06 14:06:31 <Ironholds>	this channel got really really weird
May 06 14:06:34 <Pesky>	Qcoder00: I don;t have girlfriends ...
May 06 14:06:45 <Pesky>	.../got/ really weird?
May 06 14:06:48 <Fluffernutter>	^
May 06 14:06:58 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: afaik Pesky is female and straight
May 06 14:06:58 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:   There used to be a musuem about smuggling in Polpero
May 06 14:07:01 <Ironholds>	and really old
May 06 14:07:04 <Ironholds>	:P
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May 06 14:07:24 <Pesky>	… also really flexible.  And very  strong :p
May 06 14:07:26 <Qcoder00>	Pesky: I was making a general joke ;)
May 06 14:07:33 <Qcoder00>	It wasn't intened to imply anything
May 06 14:07:52 <Pesky>	I don't mind harmless implications
May 06 14:07:53 *	Fluffernutter doesn't really want to know any more about Pesky's flexibility, thx
May 06 14:08:07 <Pesky>	[[Ehlers Danlos Syndrome]]
May 06 14:08:10 <Ironholds>	I assume she's making a wolf-related comment
May 06 14:08:18 <Pesky>	See above
May 06 14:08:39 <Pesky>	I was spawned down at the murky end of the gene pool, where the sharks hang out
May 06 14:08:50 <Pesky>	Homozygous, too
May 06 14:09:04 *	Qcoder00 tries to think of Red Riding Hood joke here but can't
May 06 14:09:49 <Pesky>	EDS people who don't give in to it, and stay really active, develop incredibly strong muscles to accommodate for naff joints
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May 06 14:10:02 *	tommorris has just been informed (thanks Wikipedia!) that you can see Grigori Rasputin's penis on display in St Petersburg.
May 06 14:10:08 <Pesky>	How nice
May 06 14:10:26 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  how much do you weigh?
May 06 14:10:31 <Pesky>	(approx will do)
May 06 14:10:32 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: insert joke about Rasputing being *hard* (hurf durf) to kill here
May 06 14:10:34 <Ironholds>	Pesky: eight and a half stone
May 06 14:10:42 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky, are you plotting the disposal of his body?
May 06 14:10:48 <Pesky>	I could pick you up and carry you up a flight of stairs, no trouble
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May 06 14:10:56 <tommorris>	nah, just a good ol' fashioned hanging.
May 06 14:11:06 <Pesky>	No, just the strength thing
May 06 14:11:12 <Fluffernutter>	he's quite easy to toss around, Pesky. But he punches hard if he gets a chance.
May 06 14:11:12 <Qcoder00>	Fluffnutter:  The New Forest isn't Epping forest...
May 06 14:11:23 <Pesky>	so don't give him a chance ...
May 06 14:11:32 <Qcoder00>	Although I'm sure the New Forest has patch where you could hide stuff
May 06 14:11:39 <Pesky>	Deep bogs
May 06 14:11:44 <Pesky>	Handy ...
May 06 14:12:03 <Pesky>	Not that I would want to dispose of an Ironholds
May 06 14:12:08 <tommorris>	urgh, I so need to finish writing my own reference
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May 06 14:13:22 <Pesky>	DYK that a wolf pack is more likely to accept a non-threatening human as an honorary pack member than they are to attack? (can't remember source)
May 06 14:13:31 <Fluffernutter>	gah, i have too many tabs open. Every time i get distracted from one, i forget what i was doing and return to a different one
May 06 14:14:18 <Pesky>	I would love to have the freedom to 'join' a wolf pack for a year or so
May 06 14:14:25 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  Hmm, Wasn't pack accpetance part of the reasons for cannine domestication?
May 06 14:14:50 <Pesky>	Humans and canines can learn each others' body language quite easuly
May 06 14:15:26 <Pesky>	Feline BL is harder, coz it's a bit counter-intuitive
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May 06 14:16:02 <Pesky>	cig brk
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May 06 14:17:52 <foks>	A lot of Lib Dem deposits are being lost up here
May 06 14:18:14 <Fluffernutter>	deposits?
May 06 14:18:25 <tommorris>	Fluffernutter: when you run for election in Britain, you have to pay a deposit
May 06 14:18:33 <foks>	MSP/MP candidates have to pay a deposit of £500 to stand
May 06 14:18:36 <tommorris>	and if you don't get a certain perecentage of the vote, you lose the deposit
May 06 14:18:43 <tommorris>	I thought it was £750 for MPs
May 06 14:18:44 <foks>	They get it back unless they get less than 5%
May 06 14:18:49 <Fluffernutter>	...huh. that's...odd.
May 06 14:18:50 <foks>	Well, whatevr
May 06 14:19:03 <foks>	It's to prevent stupid parties from standing
May 06 14:19:05 <Hedgehog456>	 spam alert; dog onknee
May 06 14:19:09 <foks>	Well, to discourage them
May 06 14:19:10 <Fluffernutter>	seems very libertarian. "You can't afford to pay for office? No can haz office!"
May 06 14:19:17 <tommorris>	well, yes and no
May 06 14:19:17 <foks>	Not really
May 06 14:19:22 <tommorris>	you have to have some way of determining ballot access
May 06 14:19:32 <foks>	It's to prevent every man and his dog standing
May 06 14:19:52 <Fluffernutter>	i think over here we do that with petitions
May 06 14:19:58 <tommorris>	it didn't a mate of mine standing during the last General Election: http://www.madcapntom.co.uk/
May 06 14:20:08 <foks>	Also, you get the deposit back
May 06 14:20:19 <foks>	Unless you get less than 5% of the vote
May 06 14:20:23 <foks>	So it's fair enough
May 06 14:20:31 <foks>	Although a lot of LibDems... well, aren't
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May 06 14:20:59 <foks>	That's a REALLY nice site tommorris
May 06 14:21:00 <tommorris>	as I said, in my area, it was only Tory and Labour, despite the fact that in the generals, LibDems always come second
May 06 14:21:01 *	Pesky going to dig garden … back later ….
May 06 14:21:01 <foks>	:D
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May 06 14:21:16 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: shut up
May 06 14:21:25 <Fluffernutter>	pardon?
May 06 14:21:32 <foks>	"He has policies. He has experience. He has a duck on his head."
May 06 14:21:32 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: when you understand what "libertarian" means you can make jokes about it
May 06 14:21:33 <tommorris>	for UK elections, you still need to get people to nominate you - but it's only ten people for council elections
May 06 14:21:35 <foks>	hahaha
May 06 14:21:44 <foks>	ah
May 06 14:21:51 <foks>	Interesting
May 06 14:21:51 <Fluffernutter>	i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was making a joke at all. here i thought i was having, you know, a conversation.
May 06 14:22:01 *	Pesky still her
May 06 14:22:03 <foks>	We had a neo-nazi standing in Aberdeen Central
May 06 14:22:08 <Fluffernutter>	now kindly fuck off if you can't converse like a normal human
May 06 14:22:09 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: threaten to spank him next time
May 06 14:22:12 <foks>	He got 201 votes
May 06 14:22:19 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: "seems very libertarian. "You can't afford to pay for office? No can haz office!""
May 06 14:22:33 <Ironholds>	I'm assuming that's a joke because the alternative is that you were being thick as pig shit
May 06 14:22:34 <foks>	Oh Ironholds get a grip plz
May 06 14:22:43 <Hedgehog456>	Isn't 'conservative' a better word?
May 06 14:22:43 <tommorris>	libertarian means more than one thing.
May 06 14:22:58 *	tommorris prefers "Ayn Rand cultist"
May 06 14:22:59 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: no, conservativism and libertarianism are distinct philosophies
May 06 14:23:06 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: I know
May 06 14:23:09 <Ironholds>	and objectivism is also a different philosophy
May 06 14:23:12 <tommorris>	or indeed "free market nutjob"
May 06 14:23:23 <Hedgehog456>	I just think conservative would be more suited to the joke
May 06 14:24:07 <foks>	Can we not calm down and carry the fuck on plesae
May 06 14:24:09 <foks>	:3
May 06 14:24:22 <Qcoder00>	Please do not swear foks
May 06 14:24:25 <Fluffernutter>	apparently fucking not, since we're not allowed to talk unless we use the terms Ironholds approves
May 06 14:24:30 <foks>	fuck that
May 06 14:24:37 *	Qcoder00 cries
May 06 14:24:41 <Hedgehog456>	fuck censorship
May 06 14:24:47 <foks>	fuck fucking
May 06 14:24:52 *	Hedgehog456 comforts Qcoder00 
May 06 14:25:02 <foks>	SNP have a majority, now official
May 06 14:25:04 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: I've explained thirty goddamn times why you don't understand what libertarian means
May 06 14:25:12 <foks>	With their last win in Clackmannanshire
May 06 14:25:13 <Ironholds>	this is after I spent an hour explaining what a free market was
May 06 14:25:18 <Hedgehog456>	"Libertarianism is a political philosophy that upholds individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.[1] Libertarianism includes diverse beliefs and organizations—all advocate either the minimization or the elimination of the state, and the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom."
May 06 14:25:23 <Ironholds>	and half an hour explaining the distinctions between keynes and Hayek
May 06 14:25:27 <Qcoder00>	foks : SNP have a majority?
May 06 14:25:32 <Hedgehog456>	How the fuck is that anything to do with paying a deposit?
May 06 14:25:37 <Ironholds>	if you haven't got it so far then you're being deliberately ignorant.
May 06 14:25:38 <foks>	Qcoder00, that's what I said, yes.
May 06 14:25:40 <foks>	:)
May 06 14:25:56 <Qcoder00>	That means in a few months time they'll be all-mighty bust up between the MSP and the Tory Westminster govt
May 06 14:26:13 <Qcoder00>	because the SNP is more like Old-Labour policy wise
May 06 14:26:16 <Hedgehog456>	I think Tories would be more in to restricting MPs to those who can pay.
May 06 14:26:18 <foks>	Qcoder00, it means that in the next three years we'll have an expensive referendum on independence
May 06 14:26:26 <Hedgehog456>	Not the libertarians.
May 06 14:26:32 <foks>	Where we'll discover that folk don't want it
May 06 14:26:56 <tommorris>	yeah, leaving the UK would be a really dumb for Scotland
May 06 14:26:59 <tommorris>	just sayin'
May 06 14:27:02 <foks>	Lib Dem supporters seem to be switching to the SNP for some reason
May 06 14:27:14 <Ironholds>	foks: makes sense, after a fashion
May 06 14:27:18 <foks>	Not me, I switched to Labour
May 06 14:27:23 <foks>	For this vote
May 06 14:27:31 <foks>	Since it was an SNP target
May 06 14:27:31 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Well apart from the small matter that No-one in England would want a Trident base
May 06 14:27:38 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: hence why I was going "please try to avoid talking about stuff you're ignorant of"
May 06 14:27:55 <Qcoder00>	And that an Independent Scotland would NOT want a 'foriegn' nuke on it's territory
May 06 14:28:17 <foks>	an Independent Scotland is NOT A GOOD IDEA
May 06 14:28:24 <foks>	 -- a Scot
May 06 14:28:29 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: ah. I agree.
May 06 14:28:49 <foks>	SNP just won Kirkcaldy
May 06 14:29:01 <Fluffernutter>	Wait I'm sorry, what? Now we can't participate in conversations unless we pass your exam?
May 06 14:29:03 <foks>	That's 66
May 06 14:29:25 <Fluffernutter>	ifyou want to moderate who can discuss things, go make your own room to do it in
May 06 14:29:50 <foks>	Oh calm down both of you
May 06 14:30:24 <Fluffernutter>	i was perfectly calm until he started calling me stupid and telling me i'm not allowed to fucking talk
May 06 14:30:39 *	foks sighs
May 06 14:30:46 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: because you were acting stupidly
May 06 14:30:54 <foks>	SHUT UP.
May 06 14:30:57 <foks>	fucking HELL
May 06 14:31:14 <foks>	Ironholds, you are the single most annoying knobend on the planet when you act like this
May 06 14:31:52 <foks>	In other news, SNP's website is down
May 06 14:32:40 <Ironholds>	foks: and you're an annoying northern unt
May 06 14:32:42 <Ironholds>	*c
May 06 14:32:44 <Ironholds>	are we done?
May 06 14:33:00 <foks>	are you done, you mean?
May 06 14:33:04 <tommorris>	on the sex toys thing, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jigsaw_Squirting
May 06 14:33:57 <foks>	...is that a dildo mounted on an electric sander?
May 06 14:34:01 <Ironholds>	no.
May 06 14:34:15 <Ironholds>	strangely enough
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May 06 14:34:22 <Ironholds>	it's mounted on a jigsaw
May 06 14:34:27 <Ironholds>	which would explain why it's called the jigsaw
May 06 14:34:36 <foks>	what's a jigsaw
May 06 14:34:49 <foks>	Oh
May 06 14:34:56 <Ironholds>	it's an electric saw used for cutting wood into delicate curved shapes
May 06 14:35:06 <Ironholds>	like puzzle pieces, hence the name that the puzzles later developed
May 06 14:35:13 <foks>	Think I usually call that a bayonet saw
May 06 14:35:21 <foks>	Not that I use one.
May 06 14:35:25 *	foks shrugs
May 06 14:36:07 <Fluffernutter>	suuure foks. let's not tell them about the one you keep under your bed for...special occasions :P
May 06 14:36:14 <foks>	A saw?
May 06 14:36:15 <foks>	:D
May 06 14:36:41 *	tommorris keeps a power drill for use during sex, but it just has a drillbit on the end, not a dildo.
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May 06 14:36:59 <foks>	):
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May 06 14:37:34 <tommorris>	one day I'll have one of those "famous serial killer" shows, and they'll be calling me "power drill Tommy" or something
May 06 14:37:41 <tommorris>	that'd be hilariou
May 06 14:37:41 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 14:37:49 <Fluffernutter>	it's bad form to actually kill your sex partners
May 06 14:37:58 <Ironholds>	or alternately good form
May 06 14:38:04 <Ironholds>	if you do it with a knife, bad
May 06 14:38:05 <tommorris>	I knew there was *something*
May 06 14:38:09 <Ironholds>	but death-by-overexercise is kinda impressive
May 06 14:39:05 <Fluffernutter>	it's bad form to render them dead through any method. mostly because it's terribly inefficient. you have to expend all the time and effort to find a new one if you kill
May 06 14:39:16 <tommorris>	oh no you don't
May 06 14:39:32 <tommorris>	that shows a distinct lack of imagination
May 06 14:39:33 <Fluffernutter>	necrophiliacs are a different issue
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May 06 14:41:09 <Fluffernutter>	hah. apparently there are now rumors of bin laden's body washing up on various beaches
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May 06 14:41:36 <foks>	that was fast
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May 06 14:41:48 *	tommorris pictures a small child running back along the beach shouting "Mummy! There's a dead terorrist in my sandcastle!"
May 06 14:42:06 <Fluffernutter>	hey, if giant squids wash up, why not bogeyman terrorists
May 06 14:42:18 <Fluffernutter>	(is the plural of squid "squid" or "squids"?)
May 06 14:43:44 <foks>	either
May 06 14:44:01 <foks>	according to the New Oxford American Dictionary
May 06 14:44:19 <Fluffernutter>	you're so useful :D
May 06 14:45:04 <tommorris>	wow, there are still people saying bin Laden is still alive, despite a statement from al Qaeda saying he's dead
May 06 14:45:27 <foks>	:P
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May 06 14:45:35 <foks>	Fluffernutter, *bow*
May 06 14:45:40 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: isn't there some theory that no matter how outlandish a belief is, 20-30% of people will buy into it?
May 06 14:45:55 <tommorris>	quite probably
May 06 14:46:02 <tommorris>	but there might be some logical problems with that
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May 06 14:47:01 <juxonrails>	hallo!
May 06 14:47:30 <tommorris>	like if 20% of people believe A, and 20% of people believe B, and 20% believe C, 20% D, 20% E, 20% F, and all of them are incompatible with all others, that means some subset of them will have contradictory beliefs
May 06 14:48:04 <tommorris>	of course, if you are a birther or an Osama bin Laden death denier or whatever, contradiction is less of a problem than it is for an epistemologist.
May 06 14:48:26 <Fluffernutter>	cognitive dissonance ftw
May 06 14:48:26 <tommorris>	"Keep your government hands off my Medicaid!" etc.
May 06 14:48:27 <juxonrails>	wtf is an epistemologist ?
May 06 14:48:35 <tommorris>	someone who studies epistemology
May 06 14:49:00 <tommorris>	the branch of philosophy which deals with what people know or believe they know
May 06 14:49:25 <juxonrails>	sry my ignorance
May 06 14:49:59 <juxonrails>	stupid of me to ask ... [[epistemology]] will get my ignorance re this thing sortend
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May 06 14:51:28 <tommorris>	It does an okay job.
May 06 14:51:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris: which led to an interesting debate I had earlier today (and the reason for my foul mood)
May 06 14:51:38 <Ironholds>	what constitutes original thought?
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May 06 14:52:23 <tommorris>	I'd go for a virtue-based definition
May 06 14:53:13 <tommorris>	you are having an original thought if you, having acted in an epistemically virtuous way to learn about a subject X, believe that your idea P has not been discussed in relevant subject X before.
May 06 14:53:17 <tommorris>	or something along that kind of line
May 06 14:53:34 <Ironholds>	agreed
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May 06 14:54:00 <Ironholds>	so, the synthesis of material in an aristotelian fashion from the works of others, in ignorance of additional work covering your synthesis, is original?
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May 06 14:54:25 <tommorris>	it could potentially be so
May 06 14:54:35 <Ironholds>	potentially?
May 06 14:54:36 <juxonrails>	tommorris: so how does epistemology differ from ontology ?
May 06 14:54:51 <tommorris>	juxonrails: ontology covers what there is, epistemology covers beliefs and knowledge.
May 06 14:54:54 <Ironholds>	juxonrails: ontology is the study of existence
May 06 14:55:10 <Ironholds>	so ontology is "this is a rock. We will understand the nature of this rock"
May 06 14:55:24 <Ironholds>	epistemology is "what is understanding? What does that constitute? Can one truly understand a rock?"
May 06 14:55:54 <tommorris>	so, on the synthesis question: it depends on the nature of the synthesis.
May 06 14:56:06 <tommorris>	some synthesis is original, other synthesis is not.
May 06 14:56:17 <Ironholds>	okay, so, for example
May 06 14:56:31 <tommorris>	you'd probably have to qualify it with regards to some basic and unanalaysable form of obviousness
May 06 14:56:42 <Ironholds>	darn
May 06 14:57:02 <Ironholds>	you're a fucking philosopher
May 06 14:57:08 <Ironholds>	nothing is unanalysable! :p
May 06 14:57:24 <tommorris>	it is unalaysable if you say it is unalaysable!! ;-)
May 06 14:57:30 <Ironholds>	Sorry, this came about because one of my university lecturers was kind enough to tell me earlier that in 3 years she's never heard me say anything original
May 06 14:57:40 <Ironholds>	it put me in rather a foul mood and I started arguing with her about it
May 06 14:58:00 *	tommorris questions whether the word "kind" in your statement is meant in jest
May 06 14:58:08 <Ironholds>	tiny bit
May 06 14:58:22 <Ironholds>	indeed, she told me I only repeated the thoughts of others and needed to stop passing them off as my own
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May 06 14:58:59 <juxonrails>	hiya wctaiwan
May 06 14:59:04 <Ironholds>	to which I replied that true original thought is impossible to make with certainty, that what I was doing followed the aristotelian method and constituted original thought, and that since I have the self esteem of a brick and no intention of passing things off, really the fault was with her interpretation
May 06 14:59:15 <wctaiwan>	hey juxonrails
May 06 14:59:29 <Ironholds>	so I apologised, quite deeply, for her being unable to understand me.
May 06 14:59:42 <tommorris>	yes, I'd say that the idea of completely original thought is an insanely high demand.
May 06 14:59:49 <Ironholds>	no, I'd say it's impossible
May 06 15:00:07 <Ironholds>	in that we can't say with certainty something has never been thought up
May 06 15:00:07 <tommorris>	Hmm. Not sure if it is impossible
May 06 15:00:16 <Ironholds>	it depends what we're defining "original thought" as, though
May 06 15:00:23 <Ironholds>	or "thought" for that matter
May 06 15:00:32 <tommorris>	you could imagine a situation where original thought is possible: if you literally were the first person in the first educated society to discover some scientific idea
May 06 15:00:53 <Ironholds>	tommorris: prove it's the first educated society and that space-aliens didn't come up with it 3,000 years before.
May 06 15:01:08 <tommorris>	hence my appeal to a virtue-based epistemology
May 06 15:01:14 <juxonrails>	mmm G&T & riding on a train mmm
May 06 15:01:15 <Ironholds>	of course
May 06 15:01:24 <Ironholds>	I mean, theoretically there is definitely such a thing as "true" originality
May 06 15:01:36 <Ironholds>	we know there is one really really old race of space aliens who were first
May 06 15:01:44 <tommorris>	you can't be absolutely sure that it's an original thought, but you can't be absolutely sure it's a thought at all, or that you aren't from the planet Zargon or that you aren't a brain in a vat
May 06 15:01:46 <juxonrails>	irc always feels better when done over 100km/h
May 06 15:01:47 <Ironholds>	we just can't prove which ones. Or that they exist. Or did exist.
May 06 15:01:57 <Ironholds>	tommorris: don't go all solipsistic on me
May 06 15:02:22 <tommorris>	I'd say it is deductively true that someone has had an original thought
May 06 15:02:34 <jps>	half of all people are original, and the other half form a behaviorial probability distribution
May 06 15:03:01 <tommorris>	Ironholds: you, accusing me of solipsism? ;-)
May 06 15:03:16 <jps>	but anyone interacting with a university lecture at the level of being told they are unoriginal is necessarily original
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May 06 15:03:43 <Ironholds>	jps: explain? :p
May 06 15:03:50 <jps>	unless it was a sociology lecture.  People get told they are unoriginal in sociology all the time
May 06 15:03:54 <tommorris>	ah, okay, reads up, you agree
May 06 15:03:57 <wctaiwan>	jps: unless they plagiarise.
May 06 15:04:06 <Ironholds>	jps: it was a commercial law lecture
May 06 15:04:10 <tommorris>	you can't know you are being original: sure.
May 06 15:04:30 <Ironholds>	I was theorising that the doctrine of estoppel is closely linked to privity - sort of the inverse
May 06 15:04:56 <Ironholds>	tommorris: yes, but the brain-in-a-vat problem bores me. I worked out the answer a long time ago.
May 06 15:05:04 <wctaiwan>	I was working on a group project today. According to the guy responsible for putting everything together, one of the group members sent in an essay with hyperlinks still attached from the copied sources.
May 06 15:05:18 <wctaiwan>	//sidetrack sorry
May 06 15:05:28 <jps>	it's like fermions and bosons.  The humans with even quantum charge are one, and odd quantum charge are the other.  The fermions are forced to be original by the Pauli exclusion principle, and the bosons just go about their daily lives in the grasp of an agregatable probability distribution function.
May 06 15:05:31 <Ironholds>	tommorris: the solution (feel free to write a paper on it) is "who the fuck cares? It's 2pm, lets go to the pub already"
May 06 15:05:35 <foks>	Worst photoshop ever http://yfrog.com/z/hsvx7ruj
May 06 15:05:49 <tommorris>	Ironholds: that's basically Hume's answer
May 06 15:05:58 <jps>	However that analogy doesn't hold up because each individual's situation is geographically unique at least, so everyone is original
May 06 15:06:01 <juxonrails>	I once thought I had an original tought... it was that in order to be happy one must 1) work 2) love 3) avoid envy of any kind or quality and then my therapeut told me that some feller named Sigmund Freud had come to this conclusion 80 years ago ;)
May 06 15:06:05 <Ironholds>	tommorris: that was Hume's answer to a lot of things
May 06 15:06:07 <juxonrails>	he added that the modern psychology professionals add "grieving what you have to grieve" to the formula of happiness
May 06 15:06:20 <Ironholds>	juxonrails: actually, most modern shrinks reject freud
May 06 15:06:23 <Fluffernutter>	lol foks. pinhead ftw
May 06 15:06:24 <Ironholds>	but he's very important philosophically
May 06 15:06:40 <foks>	Fluffernutter, :P
May 06 15:06:50 <KimiNewt>	your mother is important philosophically
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May 06 15:07:20 <juxonrails>	Ironholds: maybe it is so that sexuality derives from the rest and not that everything else derives from sexuality
May 06 15:07:25 <Ironholds>	KimiNewt: signs I'm a nerd - my first reaction was "neat, both our clauses had the same number of characters!"
May 06 15:07:28 <tommorris>	okay on brains in vats, when I last thought about it, I came to the conclusion that Putnam's argument seemed pretty good. But I can't say more than that because the problem is actually not very interesting.
May 06 15:07:29 <wctaiwan>	really? because they still taught us his theories in high school.
May 06 15:07:54 <wctaiwan>	Ironholds: There is no valid reason except if you're using a purely command line IRC client to use a monospace font for IRC.
May 06 15:08:04 <wctaiwan>	on the other hand if you counted the characters...
May 06 15:08:12 <tommorris>	wctaiwan: how about "I prefer monospace fonts"?
May 06 15:08:20 <tommorris>	That seems like a pretty good reason.
May 06 15:08:35 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: It's an invalid preference, which brings into question your ability to make intelligent choices.
May 06 15:08:42 <KimiNewt>	It's not, Ironholds
May 06 15:08:43 <tommorris>	that said, I use a purely command line IRC client
May 06 15:08:44 <foks>	...not really
May 06 15:08:47 <jps>	Ironholds, I hope you get accurate elections at 4pm, but I guess you won't know for sure until 10pm
May 06 15:08:47 <wctaiwan>	(kidding, of course)
May 06 15:09:02 <Ironholds>	jps: I'll find out as soon as it happens, I've got tickets to the counts
May 06 15:09:12 <KimiNewt>	Your line is 39 characters
May 06 15:09:13 <KimiNewt>	Mine is 40
May 06 15:09:24 <Ironholds>	KimiNewt: it lines up on my screen
May 06 15:09:29 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: in seriousness, of course it's a preference. But the benefits offered by monospace fonts don't really exhibit themselves on IRC, so eh.
May 06 15:09:37 <KimiNewt>	because it doesn't count the apostrophe
May 06 15:09:48 <tommorris>	wctaiwan: you don't know about all the secret ASCII pr0n channels I hang out on!
May 06 15:09:58 <wctaiwan>	ahahaha, okay, fair enough :P
May 06 15:09:59 <KimiNewt>	anyway - I used python to check it -- outnerded
May 06 15:10:40 <tommorris>	you know about `wc` right?
May 06 15:10:54 <wctaiwan>	not really, why?
May 06 15:11:10 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris, you have sekrit ascii porn and you're *not sharing*?!
May 06 15:11:11 <wctaiwan>	you mean the fact that it's in my handle or the fact that it stands for water closet or what?
May 06 15:11:20 <jps>	Is http://yesvsno.co.uk/ still illegal in UK now that the polls have closed?
May 06 15:11:22 <tommorris>	no, that was for KimiNewt
May 06 15:11:26 <tommorris>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wc_(Unix)
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May 06 15:11:34 <wctaiwan>	word count?
May 06 15:11:37 <wctaiwan>	just a guess.
May 06 15:11:39 <tommorris>	yep
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May 06 15:11:47 <tommorris>	Python is overkill for that kind of thing
May 06 15:12:02 <tommorris>	cat | wc -m
May 06 15:12:10 <foks>	jps, illegal?
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May 06 15:12:29 <KimiNewt>	tomorris
May 06 15:12:32 <KimiNewt>	I know it
May 06 15:12:36 <KimiNewt>	but I'm not using linux atm
May 06 15:12:36 <jps>	no exit polls are allowed in the UK until some point of time probably established by someone in the 1500s
May 06 15:13:20 <foks>	That's not an exit poll?
May 06 15:13:28 <foks>	That's a colloection of mentions on Twitter
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May 06 15:13:30 <foks>	:P
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May 06 15:13:54 <KimiNewt>	always have terrible latency on this goddamn server for some reason
May 06 15:14:18 <wctaiwan>	change your server then.. Freenode has plenty.
May 06 15:14:52 <jps>	I wonder what the tweet-to-vote relationship will be; I think it will be much closer
May 06 15:16:19 <foks>	The voting population are likely to not use Twitter
May 06 15:16:28 <foks>	As much of them will be middle-aged etc
May 06 15:16:46 <foks>	(not that they don't use twitter, just are far less likely to)
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May 06 15:17:33 <wctaiwan>	I don't get why people put up with the 140 character limit.. How many people still post from cellphones? How many people actually follow others on cellphones?
May 06 15:19:05 <Tatsujin>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/06/java_based_malware/
May 06 15:21:05 <topaz>	wctaiwan: even more than ever, only -- ironically -- now they're mostly not using SMS to do it.
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May 06 15:21:13 <topaz>	now they're all using smartphones with TCP/IP over 3G.
May 06 15:21:24 <wctaiwan>	right.
May 06 15:21:44 <wctaiwan>	I mean, I get the purpose of a reasonable limit. but 140 characters isn't very reasonable at all...
May 06 15:22:02 <topaz>	actually, not exactly -- there are still a lot of people in developing countries who have cellphones but no smartphones
May 06 15:22:37 <wctaiwan>	on twitter?
May 06 15:22:54 <wctaiwan>	I thought the number only worked in US and a few other countries...
May 06 15:23:29 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: you can send SMS to the UK number from countries that haven't got their own
May 06 15:23:44 <wctaiwan>	oh.
May 06 15:23:56 <juxonrails>	I use the SMS if I'm too lazy to fire up browser on my phone
May 06 15:24:04 <jps>	wctaiwan: see the "Technology" section on http://i.imgur.com/GReJW.jpg
May 06 15:24:16 <juxonrails>	I don't tweet that much.. mostly my monthly clean up attempts of my flat
May 06 15:24:31 <jps>	Mobile adoption 8% in 2000, up to 76% in 2010 globally
May 06 15:25:47 <jps>	People killed in natural disasters: 17,000 in 2000 up to 260,000 in 2010
May 06 15:26:18 <juxonrails>	hmm stats..
May 06 15:26:19 <wctaiwan>	jps: 8 per 100 people != 8%
May 06 15:26:23 <foks>	Also, 140 characters is perfectly reasonable
May 06 15:26:24 <wctaiwan>	a lot of people have multiple cellphones.
May 06 15:26:30 <jps>	lol that chart is back from when oil was $65/bbl
May 06 15:26:45 <jps>	what % is 8 per 100?
May 06 15:27:01 <wctaiwan>	No it isn't foks. Many times I've had to purposefully shorten my message to make it fit. Something like min(a paragraph, 100 words) would be much better.
May 06 15:27:02 <juxonrails>	April 29th 2011 - One couple married in UK - 24 innocent opposition supporter protestors murdered in Syria
May 06 15:27:23 <Fluffernutter>	you can't set the min to "a paragraph." That's completely undefined.
May 06 15:27:24 <juxonrails>	that concludes the going-ons review of April 29th
May 06 15:27:38 <jps>	but more than 95% of the cellphones are probably owned by people with one
May 06 15:27:40 <wctaiwan>	sorry Fluffernutter, just tried to save some typing :P
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May 06 15:28:17 <Fluffernutter>	and word count, for that matter, is also much more difficult to define than character count. Different programs count words differently.
May 06 15:28:21 <wctaiwan>	not really jps. A significant minority of people here have two. And also some people still have separate phones for work and personal use.
May 06 15:28:39 <wctaiwan>	the accuracy of the algorithm doesn't matter Fluffernutter as long as there is one.
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May 06 15:28:51 <juxonrails>	Fluffernutter: I thought wc was the standard
May 06 15:28:54 <Fluffernutter>	wctaiwan, true enough. as long as it's internally consistent it could be used.
May 06 15:29:29 <wctaiwan>	also, maybe 100 words is too many, something like 50, perhaps
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May 06 15:30:31 <BenutzerConny>	Do you know a wiki project, where you can write your own biography? With POC etc.
May 06 15:30:46 <foks>	wctaiwan, if you think 140 characters is unreasonable for Twitter, you're using the wrong service
May 06 15:31:47 <juxonrails>	I'm expecting the third contestant to appear for social media like it did for OSes
May 06 15:31:49 <wctaiwan>	foks: Sure. The point I'm trying to make is not that Twitter is somehow more stupid than I am, but that I don't see why people are willing to put up with a 140 char limit despite the original purpose being to keep it cellphone friendly.
May 06 15:31:52 <juxonrails>	something distributed..
May 06 15:31:55 <wctaiwan>	I barely use it.
May 06 15:32:05 <foks>	People don't "put up with it"
May 06 15:32:12 <foks>	That's the gimmick of twitter
May 06 15:32:32 <foks>	You can't take off the limit, that would completely change the site into something completely unusale
May 06 15:32:39 <wctaiwan>	don't take it off
May 06 15:32:40 <foks>	* unusable
May 06 15:32:43 <wctaiwan>	make it somewhat larger
May 06 15:32:46 <foks>	Why?
May 06 15:32:48 <wctaiwan>	microblogging should never be blogging
May 06 15:32:49 <foks>	Where's the point?
May 06 15:32:53 <foks>	It's not blogging
May 06 15:32:54 <wctaiwan>	but it should allow me to finish a goddang sentence.
May 06 15:32:57 <foks>	If you want to blog, blog
May 06 15:33:09 <wctaiwan>	I don't. I want to write a sentence without being forced to use txtspk
May 06 15:33:14 <foks>	If you want to post quick status things / links, microblog.
May 06 15:33:26 <foks>	I use sentences on Twitter all the fucking time
May 06 15:33:27 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: without using ?
May 06 15:33:38 <wctaiwan>	sure juxonrails
May 06 15:34:03 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: sure 'k I read that as "don't want" sry my bad
May 06 15:34:44 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: why it's 140 and not 160 is what really puzzles me
May 06 15:35:03 <wctaiwan>	140 because that's the maximum length of SMS plus what twitter adds to a message
May 06 15:35:05 <wctaiwan>	IIRC.
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May 06 15:36:11 <topaz>	http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/05/invented-text-messaging.html
May 06 15:36:18 <foks>	Max length of SMS is 160 so
May 06 15:36:18 <topaz>	"To avoid the need for splitting cellular text messages into multiple parts, the creators of Twitter capped the length of a tweet at 140 characters, keeping the extra 20 for the user's unique address."
May 06 15:36:30 <foks>	ah.
May 06 15:36:36 <foks>	But 140 is a nice limit.
May 06 15:36:38 <foks>	:)
May 06 15:36:51 <juxonrails>	topaz: but twitter doesn't deliver msgs to SMS or does it ?
May 06 15:36:58 <wctaiwan>	it does
May 06 15:36:59 <juxonrails>	*via SMS
May 06 15:37:04 <juxonrails>	it does ?
May 06 15:37:09 <topaz>	if you want it to.
May 06 15:37:13 <topaz>	I can't imagine wanting to.
May 06 15:37:13 <wctaiwan>	can't you follow people on SMS?
May 06 15:37:18 <jps>	sadly, the UK will probably still keep vote splitting http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/may/04/av-poll-indicates-defeat-yes-campaign
May 06 15:37:57 *	Pesky just got back in … it's way too hot to dig in gardens ….
May 06 15:38:12 <Pesky>	Ironholds: original thought - most likely to occur in a dream
May 06 15:38:19 <juxonrails>	haha.. I pay 8€ /mnth for 1 mbit/s 3G but only 4€ for up to 15 mbit/s 3G on another operator
May 06 15:38:36 <Pesky>	Conscious mind out of the way, other 90% free to go off on a trip
May 06 15:38:36 <juxonrails>	I never expected flat-rate mobile broadband to go this low this fast
May 06 15:38:53 <foks>	Clegg's killed the Yes campaign.
May 06 15:38:57 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I haven't had a dream in...4 months.
May 06 15:39:03 <Ironholds>	and before that, about 10 years
May 06 15:39:07 <Pesky>	You probably have - just not one you can remember
May 06 15:39:20 <wctaiwan>	Pesky: also showers.
May 06 15:39:23 <Ironholds>	I can only remember one
May 06 15:39:26 <Pesky>	There's a cute 'dream-logger' gadget you can get
May 06 15:39:29 <Ironholds>	and if it's representative, I'm glad of that
May 06 15:39:33 <juxonrails>	Ironholds: you should get on Seroquel if you have problems dreaming
May 06 15:39:36 <Pesky>	(only logs that you have dreamed)
May 06 15:39:45 <juxonrails>	it makes the dreams so vivid and lifelike
May 06 15:39:50 <jps>	Maybe the Labor-Lib.Dem coalition will put AV back on the ballot if buyers' remorse sets in
May 06 15:39:56 <juxonrails>	( Quetianipine )
May 06 15:40:03 <Pesky>	Dinky mincrowires attacehd to eyelids detect REM sleep and log time and duration
May 06 15:40:09 <wctaiwan>	sounds vaguely illegal.
May 06 15:40:37 <Pesky>	…. upgrade means you can programme it to wake you up after 75% of your average dream-time ...
May 06 15:40:38 <juxonrails>	wctaiwan: illegal is teh best !
May 06 15:40:42 <Pesky>	then you can remember the dream
May 06 15:41:04 <Ironholds>	juxonrails: I dated a girl for five years. She broke my heart. We broke up.
May 06 15:41:07 <Pesky>	Amytryptilline can make people get some odd dreams
May 06 15:41:25 <Ironholds>	the one dream I had was where everything was my fault, but it was okay, and we could get together again, because she forgave me. And THEN I woke up.
May 06 15:41:36 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  hearts get over it.  Sure, they get scar tissue, but they do return to functionality
May 06 15:41:38 <wctaiwan>	Thanks for sharing.
May 06 15:41:44 <Ironholds>	if that's representative, i'm fucking glad my subconcious isn't allowed out of the box more often
May 06 15:41:57 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: it was to point out why me getting vivid and more memorable dreams is probably bad :p
May 06 15:42:03 <Pesky>	You can task your subcon to dream on certain issues
May 06 15:42:04 <Ironholds>	I mean, I hate humanity now
May 06 15:42:05 <wctaiwan>	lol.
May 06 15:42:11 <Ironholds>	Pesky: oh, lucid dreaming, yeah
May 06 15:42:14 <Pesky>	now?
May 06 15:42:21 <Ironholds>	that's not what I'm referring to, I can already do that.
May 06 15:42:26 <Ironholds>	I meant proper, unprompted dreams
May 06 15:42:26 <wctaiwan>	isn't it difficult for adults to lucid dream? per WP.
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May 06 15:42:39 <Pesky>	Not just lucid dreaming, but you can actually use NLP stuff to task it to do which kind of dreaming you want while your asleep
May 06 15:42:48 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: I did it a couple of months ago - it's best in that little warm half-woken-up-stage you get some mornings
May 06 15:43:00 <Pesky>	But  I haven't yet found a waqy of getting it to subtract undesirables, just to add more fun stuff
May 06 15:43:20 <Ironholds>	wikipedia informs me that this is a waking-induced lucid dream
May 06 15:43:44 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  if you can do lucid dreaming as you're going to sleep, rather than waking, you may carry it streaight into REM sleep and continue / adapt it
May 06 15:43:59 <jps>	Ironholds: you are still pining after the lecturer who told you you weren't original?
May 06 15:44:15 <Pesky>	Of course, if you do a lot of lucid dreaming, it may reduce your need for sleep-dreaming
May 06 15:44:29 <Ironholds>	jps: har
May 06 15:44:48 <Ironholds>	Pesky: no, I mean I wake up in that half-awake stage between sleep and awarenes
May 06 15:44:48 <Ironholds>	*s
May 06 15:44:51 <Pesky>	Just ask what thier most recent truly original thought was.  That should stump 'em.
May 06 15:44:56 <Ironholds>	and then fall back into unconscious dreaming while lucid
May 06 15:44:58 <jps>	was that the same person from the dream?
May 06 15:45:03 <Ironholds>	jps...no.
May 06 15:45:13 <Pesky>	Yes; start it while you're going to sleep , not waking up.
May 06 15:45:16 <Ironholds>	mind you, it normally ends badly
May 06 15:45:23 <Pesky>	Then let it wander
May 06 15:45:35 <Pesky>	What's the scariest thing in your dreams (lucid or not)?
May 06 15:45:37 <Ironholds>	I end up dreaming about what I want to dream about and then OH SHIT WITCHES HAVE TURNED UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAB ME
May 06 15:45:55 <Ironholds>	and then I find out I've got sleep paralysis and end up mentally clawing my way out
May 06 15:46:24 <Pesky>	But if you're half awake, and slightly aware, you can just grap whichever fantasy weapon of choice ….. and get rid of them .WfD - witches for deletion
May 06 15:46:39 <Ironholds>	hah
May 06 15:46:41 <Ironholds>	I wish
May 06 15:46:42 <juxonrails>	end terminus bbl
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May 06 15:46:53 <Ironholds>	no, it starts off with me aware I'm dreaming and in control
May 06 15:46:56 <Pesky>	Learn the 'grab fantasy weapon' technique.  Sorts most dream-scaries
May 06 15:47:02 <Ironholds>	and then it moves into aware I'm dreaming and not in control
May 06 15:47:11 <Pesky>	so just take control again
May 06 15:47:13 <jps>	the scariest thing in my dreams is that corporations take over run by artificial intelligence and the humans die off, leaving simply arbitrage against numbers which don't represent anything until the power fails
May 06 15:47:14 <Ironholds>	(although reading the wikipedia article is actually really helpful)
May 06 15:47:29 <Pesky>	jps - do you actaully dream that stuff?
May 06 15:47:30 <Ironholds>	(like, I had no idea sleep paralysis and the twirling-falling-feeling was a general thing)
May 06 15:47:48 <Pesky>	Falling off you r branch is like …… ancient …. truly ancient
May 06 15:47:56 <Pesky>	survival technique pre-dating homo erectus
May 06 15:48:07 <jps>	I did have a corporations-related nightmare, but it didn't have the AI in it.  But how could they keep going without people if they didn't have AIs running them?
May 06 15:48:16 <Pesky>	Chimps?
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May 06 15:48:50 <jps>	Corporations will take over and employ chimpanzees as cheap labor and lay off all the humans?
May 06 15:48:51 <Hedgehog456>	My dreams can be said to be representative of something
May 06 15:48:55 <Pesky>	It's called "falling" asleep becaue of that jolt thing, Ironholds
May 06 15:49:09 <Ironholds>	Pesky: oh no, that's just the muscle twitch
May 06 15:49:16 <Pesky>	not 'just'
May 06 15:49:29 <Ironholds>	I meant the bit where I head into a lucid dream and feel like I'm in an elevator with broken brakes
May 06 15:49:30 <Pesky>	The falling thing is different
May 06 15:49:32 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: [[Hypnic jerk]]
May 06 15:49:38 <Pesky>	kinda, yes
May 06 15:50:00 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  could be switchover from mostly-awake to mostl;y-asleep
May 06 15:50:08 <jps>	You know what Freud would say about being tormented by witches who want to stab you, don't you, Ironholds?
May 06 15:50:14 <Pesky>	nononono
May 06 15:50:17 <Ironholds>	jps: probably that I feel bad about the size of my cock
May 06 15:50:21 <Ironholds>	that was his answer to most things
May 06 15:50:25 <BarkingFish>	Could also be [[Myoclonic jerk]]
May 06 15:50:32 <Ironholds>	"it's probably penis envy; everything else can be sorted by coke and hookers"
May 06 15:50:33 <Fluffernutter>	jps: given that he recently called me a succubus, i think you're on to something
May 06 15:50:35 <jps>	no way, that's not it at all
May 06 15:50:35 <Pesky>	No, it's a 'being gay  ut closeted and also likes dominant females' thing
May 06 15:50:38 <Ironholds>	BarkingFish: that's what I was thinking of, sure
May 06 15:50:39 <Hedgehog456>	I hate it when I'm in a doughnut that turns into a car that drives into a school with no children while being chased by giant bats
May 06 15:50:50 <Ironholds>	Pesky: you got 2 out of 3
May 06 15:50:56 <Pesky>	lol
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May 06 15:51:07 <Hedgehog456>	That's happened twice to me
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May 06 15:51:14 <Hedgehog456>	And I'm serious
May 06 15:51:14 <jps>	if you dream about witches wanting to stab you, Freud would say you are repressing your sexuality in order to conform to social mores
May 06 15:51:34 <Pesky>	How about Bi and uncloseted but seriously likes dominant females but kinda wishes they were male ...
May 06 15:51:38 <jps>	the only way to make the witches go away is to start dating
May 06 15:51:43 <Ironholds>	Pesky: now you have 3 out of 4
May 06 15:51:52 <Ironholds>	jps: I'm perfectly fine with my sexuality, thanks
May 06 15:52:04 <BarkingFish>	The myoclonic jerk is a leftover reaction from tree dwelling animals. The sensation of them falling from their perch or wherever they're sleeping is designed to wake them, to prevent their injury.
May 06 15:52:16 <Pesky>	Yay! That's what I said eariler
May 06 15:52:31 <Pesky>	It's a 'remember to check you're not actually going to fall out of your nest' thing
May 06 15:52:44 <BarkingFish>	Same in humans, you feel like you're falling, and your body jerks you awake just in case you actually *are*.
May 06 15:53:07 <Pesky>	d'you know what the 'monster under the bed' is, BarkingFish?
May 06 15:53:19 <Pesky>	(I do, btw)
May 06 15:53:31 <Pesky>	… and the bogeyman in the wardrobe
May 06 15:53:33 <BarkingFish>	if there's a monster under mine, it's bloody thin. I sleep on a futon :)
May 06 15:53:33 <Hedgehog456>	I also hate it when I'm in a haunted mansion with Fred Flintstone, Scooby Doo and some random guy I've never met before and I walk out a door, end up in a park next to a building, and am killed by a rollercoaster going over the roof of the building and crashing
May 06 15:53:51 <BarkingFish>	iirc it's a predator reflex, Pesky
May 06 15:54:05 <Hedgehog456>	Is that a leftover reaction from something?
May 06 15:54:07 <Pesky>	No, the 'scared to put foot out in case something grabs it', or 'can;t sleep if hands are trailing over edge of mattress' one ..
May 06 15:54:19 <Fluffernutter>	you guys have strange dreams
May 06 15:54:25 <Pesky>	Yes, it's the 'climbing predator' (big constrictor) one
May 06 15:54:42 <jps>	Pesky: if it were a wish, it wouldn't be freighting.  A freighting dream represents unresolved id-superego conflict
May 06 15:54:50 <Pesky>	And the bogey in the wardrobe in the ambush-predator (leopard or similar)
May 06 15:54:52 <jps>	freightening*
May 06 15:54:54 <Fluffernutter>	i have...geek dreams. My most recent one that i remember involved a friend of mine contacting me on google talk to tell me that he won the lottery. I distinctly remember it being gtalk.
May 06 15:54:59 <jps>	lol spelling checker
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May 06 15:55:27 <BarkingFish>	I know the one leftover from hearing noises you'd normally miss when you're asleep, I think it's similar. Your hearing becomes more sensitive as you doze off, so you hear something which is coming to get you :)
May 06 15:55:34 <Pesky>	Best geek dream I ever had was one that just stopped right in the middle … succeeded by an info box which said "Application unknown has unexpectedly quit"
May 06 15:55:43 <Hedgehog456>	Also when for some reason I'm back to primary school, maybe a teacher or something, and I'm climbing up a strange, crude wooden construction, when a huge tsunami comes out of someone's garden, then a child murders someone, and then God turns up and explains everything as "quantum"
May 06 15:55:44 <BarkingFish>	0.o
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May 06 15:55:45 <jps>	Fluffernutter: was it text only, audio, or a/v?
May 06 15:55:50 <Fluffernutter>	lol Pesky
May 06 15:55:52 <BarkingFish>	your dreams blue screen???
May 06 15:55:54 <Fluffernutter>	jps: text only
May 06 15:56:08 <Pesky>	Well, not blue, but kina (Mac-person)
May 06 15:56:13 *	Fluffernutter also dreams about games she plays too often and about repetetive tasks she does at work
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May 06 15:57:28 <Hedgehog456>	I had a dream where the CIA were trying to kill me and I walked into a glass house but then an egg exploded and I was seriously injured, and I was taken away to Egyptian mythology, where I killed two gods before finding out it was an MMORPG and everyone killing me
May 06 15:58:34 <Fluffernutter>	you need to lay off the sauce, Hedgehog456
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May 06 15:58:46 <Hedgehog456>	I think it was because I was playing an MMORPG and reading conspiracy theories too often
May 06 15:59:20 <Hedgehog456>	My dreams are weird
May 06 15:59:33 <Fluffernutter>	clearly
May 06 15:59:45 <Hedgehog456>	I can remember another one
May 06 15:59:45 <Alley^Away>	makin' page "Paranoid_is_not_a_song_but_what_I_am"? :P
May 06 16:00:08 <Pesky>	Scariest thing in my dreams is always me :o(
May 06 16:00:47 <Alley^Away>	on-topic, what's the 'max age' / 'life expectancy' on discussions on WP?
May 06 16:00:59 <Pesky>	Depends on the subject
May 06 16:01:18 <Fluffernutter>	and the venue
May 06 16:01:21 <Alley^Away>	hehe only fear strange voices in your head when they speak in tongues you don't know ;)
May 06 16:01:29 <Fluffernutter>	and whether any controversial people get involved in it
May 06 16:01:37 <Alley^Away>	'k
May 06 16:01:39 <BarkingFish>	Alley^Away: You could ask how long a piece of string is :)  It's dependant on what's being spoken about, sometimes days, sometimes a month or three.
May 06 16:02:06 <BarkingFish>	the flagged revisions thing has been going 6 months or more now I think.
May 06 16:02:13 <jps>	I have a dream that some day I will not be a controversial person
May 06 16:02:21 <Alley^Away>	was just readin' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gangsta%27s_Paradise_%28song%29 - and seriously, the whole discussion about where what belongs seems to have been settled years ago :)
May 06 16:02:34 <Fluffernutter>	BarkingFish: Brad just said that he's closing it tonight
May 06 16:02:43 <Alley^Away>	uhm sry, no idea about flagged revisions ;)
May 06 16:02:53 <Pesky>	Where have you been? lol!
May 06 16:02:57 <BarkingFish>	Fluffernutter: finally :)
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May 06 16:03:20 <Alley^Away>	if that was for me, mostly on the danish pages hehe
May 06 16:03:22 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: closing what?
May 06 16:03:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[European Air Racing Championship]] - this needs something, and I'm not in the mood to figure out exactly what
May 06 16:03:30 <Pesky>	PC/FR
May 06 16:03:37 <Ironholds>	BarkingFish: a piece of string is twice as long as half its length. sorted.
May 06 16:03:44 <BarkingFish>	:)
May 06 16:04:00 <Pesky>	12.5 inches
May 06 16:04:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah, a lede. Anyone feel like trying to give that one a lede?
May 06 16:04:22 <Pesky>	Some piece of string, somewhere, has to be 12.5 inches.  So "a" piece of string is that.
May 06 16:04:52 <Pesky>	When is string cord?  And whn is cord rope?
May 06 16:05:02 *	Alley^Away recalculates to a proper measurement
May 06 16:05:11 <Pesky>	More interesting question si "Why is a piece of string?"
May 06 16:05:30 <Alley^Away>	'cause else guitars would be darn boring
May 06 16:05:32 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: define "is" :P
May 06 16:05:39 <Pesky>	How long is a piece of string theory?
May 06 16:05:55 <Pesky>	is = in a state of being
May 06 16:06:02 *	Alley^Away wonders where to find the infinity sign on a keybaord
May 06 16:06:16 <Fluffernutter>	Alley^Away: turn it sideways and hit the "8" key
May 06 16:06:35 <Pesky>	Or use a symbols font
May 06 16:06:39 <tommorris>	Alley^Away: it depends on the OS
May 06 16:06:49 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Funky Taurus]]
May 06 16:06:53 <tommorris>	the easiest way? Go to [[Infinity]] and copy the symbol to the clipboard
May 06 16:06:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - how long is a chinese man ?
May 06 16:07:06 <Pesky>	dunno
May 06 16:07:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	or, rather
May 06 16:07:12 <Pesky>	but not 12.5 inches
May 06 16:07:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	How Long is a Chinese man.
May 06 16:07:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	hello, How Long
May 06 16:07:23 <Alley^Away>	tommorris: I'd hope the ascii code was the same no matter... but then again
May 06 16:07:37 <Pesky>	.. cousin og Wun Hung Lo?
May 06 16:07:46 <tommorris>	it's not in ASCII
May 06 16:07:58 <tommorris>	it's U+221E in Unicode
May 06 16:08:14 <Alley^Away>	¦
May 06 16:08:17 <Alley^Away>	hm
May 06 16:08:17 <jps>	Dragonfly6-7: compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Trophy#Revived_race
May 06 16:08:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - I'm doing too many things at once. Can you handle it?
May 06 16:08:40 *	Pesky gonna go mow the lawn … back later
May 06 16:08:41 <Alley^Away>	also kinda depends on irc charset and server I guess :P
May 06 16:08:56 <tommorris>	on Windows, Alt+236
May 06 16:09:01 <Grzechooo>	ý
May 06 16:09:03 <Alley^Away>	ý
May 06 16:09:26 <TBloemink>	ý
May 06 16:09:28 <Grzechooo>	∞
May 06 16:09:32 <Alley^Away>	nah, not under default - thats more kinda iso-8859-1
May 06 16:09:33 <Grzechooo>	ALT+08734
May 06 16:09:43 <Alley^Away>	͂
May 06 16:09:50 <Grzechooo>	hmm
May 06 16:09:50 <TBloemink>	☼
May 06 16:09:52 <jps>	Dragonfly6-7: sorry, redirecting fraud articles used to be fun, but now it's above my nonpay grade
May 06 16:09:53 <Alley^Away>	∞
May 06 16:09:55 <Alley^Away>	ah
May 06 16:10:03 <tommorris>	wow, Windows is weird
May 06 16:10:05 <TBloemink>	♫
May 06 16:10:06 <Grzechooo>	I just put 221E in calc and converted to decimals
May 06 16:10:07 <Alley^Away>	indeed
May 06 16:10:20 <tommorris>	I type AltGr+2 and it rotates my laptop screen round to portrait
May 06 16:10:24 <Grzechooo>	added 0 in front of it and boom, it works for me
May 06 16:10:25 <Alley^Away>	then again, mac is weirder
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May 06 16:10:54 <tommorris>	The Mac is perfectly sensible
May 06 16:11:06 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: careful there..
May 06 16:11:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - wait, would you say that's a fake?
May 06 16:11:08 <tommorris>	I mean, yes, it has Command, Control and Option
May 06 16:11:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	or does it just need a new lede?
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May 06 16:11:39 <tommorris>	And Option has the word "Alt" on the keyboard, while Command has a weird squiggly symbol
May 06 16:11:45 <tommorris>	but, trust me, it makes sense! ;-)
May 06 16:11:55 <wctaiwan>	tommorris: there's an interesting story behind that symbol.
May 06 16:12:02 <jps>	I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Air_Racing_Championship is a fabrication intended as humor by a writer at the 14th grade level
May 06 16:12:11 <wctaiwan>	14th grade?
May 06 16:12:18 <jps>	college sophmore?
May 06 16:12:21 <jps>	sophomore*
May 06 16:12:34 <wctaiwan>	oh.
May 06 16:12:40 <wctaiwan>	does someone want to CSD that or should I?
May 06 16:12:56 <jps>	I would prod it gently from a cellphone
May 06 16:13:14 <jps>	if I thought it wouldn't give my location data away....
May 06 16:13:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - okay, I'm missing the reason why it's a joke?
May 06 16:13:53 <wctaiwan>	wait um, yeah, it looks legitimate
May 06 16:14:03 <wctaiwan>	since there is an article on air racing
May 06 16:14:08 <wctaiwan>	which does date back to 1908
May 06 16:14:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - explain please.
May 06 16:14:15 <wctaiwan>	unless that too is a hoax
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May 06 16:14:37 <jps>	it's not listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aero_Club#Air_races
May 06 16:14:38 <tommorris>	there's some potential 3RR violations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1982_World_Snooker_Championship&action=history - see also http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User+talk%3aArmbrust&diff=427758065&oldid=427757233
May 06 16:15:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	jps - 'not listed on wikipedia' doesn't necessarily mean 'not real'
May 06 16:15:14 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: no google result either
May 06 16:15:29 <jps>	yeah I googled it too.  If it's a real race the MI6 doesn't want anyone to know about it
May 06 16:15:51 <wctaiwan>	there are mentions
May 06 16:16:00 <wctaiwan>	but at the very least the organisation does not have a website
May 06 16:16:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah, thank you
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May 06 16:18:28 *	Dragonfly6-7 doesn't keep track of that stuff
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May 06 16:18:44 *	Fluffernutter didn't think anyone actually used those badge things
May 06 16:19:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	some people do
May 06 16:19:11 <tommorris>	it's just a bit of fun
May 06 16:19:11 <Fluffernutter>	buti mean...why?
May 06 16:19:32 <topaz>	they're cute?
May 06 16:19:42 <topaz>	I like the names.
May 06 16:19:48 <tommorris>	same reason people enjoy Wikipe-tan
May 06 16:19:55 <topaz>	"a Grand Tutnum of the Encyclopedia!"
May 06 16:19:55 <tommorris>	actually, NOT the same reason people enjoy Wikipe-tan
May 06 16:20:33 <Fluffernutter>	usually the only time i see them being used is someone bludgeoning someone else. "Well, clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Whereas *I* am an Experienced Editor. Now stop doing something I don't like."
May 06 16:20:56 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: wait, so people like the badges because they're freeware wank material involving children in short skirts?
May 06 16:21:51 <tommorris>	they are for both
May 06 16:22:15 <tommorris>	masturbating to child porn and being an insufferable jerk. that's the Wiki Way.
May 06 16:22:31 <Fluffernutter>	well, certainly one of those two
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May 06 16:24:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	QUOTE MINE
May 06 16:24:50 <wctaiwan>	oh crap Dragonfly6-7
May 06 16:25:04 <wctaiwan>	can you undelete that article and put up a no sources tag instead?
May 06 16:25:14 <wctaiwan>	digging deeper it looks like it does exist, just not very well documented
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May 06 16:25:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah!
May 06 16:25:22 <Ironholds>	tommorris: guess where I am on the tutnum scale?
May 06 16:25:23 <wctaiwan>	see http://www.airraceuk.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=55
May 06 16:25:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'll undelete it and YOU add sources
May 06 16:25:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	got it?
May 06 16:25:32 <wctaiwan>	:/ I might not be able to
May 06 16:25:37 <jps>	Dragonfly6-7: I wish you would have prodded [[European Air Racing Championship]] instead of deleting it so quickly, it would be fun to look at the history and see who worked on it
May 06 16:25:40 <wctaiwan>	it's not well documented, like I said.
May 06 16:26:14 <wctaiwan>	and that piece was not encyclopaedic, either, best I could do would be to replace it with a stub
May 06 16:26:15 *	Herodotus gives Fluffernutter an ever-meaningful barnstar.
May 06 16:26:22 *	Fluffernutter blinks
May 06 16:26:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	would you say "not an article" ?
May 06 16:26:41 <Fluffernutter>	is it the Bitter Old Whiner's Barnstar? (does that exist? it should!)
May 06 16:27:08 <Ironholds>	Apparently I'm an Illustrious Looshpah
May 06 16:27:16 <Ironholds>	that sounds like I'm used for soaping out scrotums
May 06 16:27:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	"sounds like" ?
May 06 16:27:44 <Ironholds>	shut up
May 06 16:27:44 <Fluffernutter>	snerk
May 06 16:28:06 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: I don't think it's notable enough, personally (it looks like an event held by a regional club with a big name), but it *may* warrant a prod or an afd discussion instead of outright deletion.
May 06 16:28:07 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: you, it looks like, qualify as a Lustless Windbag
May 06 16:28:09 <Ironholds>	which is similar
May 06 16:28:14 <wctaiwan>	I'm sorry about the hasty CSD suggestion.
May 06 16:28:34 *	Fluffernutter plonks
May 06 16:28:38 <jps>	prod is always preferable to deletion, except in cases of malice, isn't it?
May 06 16:28:45 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs
May 06 16:28:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	If I restore it, I expect you to AfD it
May 06 16:29:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	got that?
May 06 16:29:04 <jps>	well think about it in terms of http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/05/02/neweditorwarnings/ in this case
May 06 16:29:09 <wctaiwan>	Okay, fair deal.
May 06 16:29:14 <tommorris>	Ironholds: Most Perfect Tutnum
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May 06 16:30:05 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I am pretty perfect
May 06 16:31:13 <topaz>	huh, I hadn't seen anyone using those silly badges to attack each other. That's pretty tacky.
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May 06 16:31:21 <jps>	there is always room for improvement
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May 06 16:32:08 <Fluffernutter>	topaz: it's possible that most people use them for happy recognition, but just that no one really mentions them in conversation onwiki unless they're using them as a dick measure
May 06 16:32:19 <topaz>	*nod*
May 06 16:34:14 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: should I sit here and wait for you to restore that article so that I can nominate it at AfD? Or is that further down your todo list and I should do something else first?
May 06 16:35:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	just a moment
May 06 16:35:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	doing that now
May 06 16:35:30 <wctaiwan>	okay.
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May 06 16:36:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, restored
May 06 16:37:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	wctaiwan - go ahead
May 06 16:37:21 <wctaiwan>	Okay, thanks.
May 06 16:37:47 <Fluffernutter>	what's the code for making a reflist have two columns?
May 06 16:38:09 <jps>	lols @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Boot
May 06 16:38:38 <wctaiwan>	guy's site is funny too jps
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May 06 16:39:06 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: it's horribly complex
May 06 16:39:11 <jps>	wow http://www.geoffreyboot4mhk.org/achievements.html
May 06 16:39:11 <Ironholds>	{{reflist|2}}
May 06 16:39:17 <Ironholds>	guess how you make it display 3?
May 06 16:41:46 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: why is it showing as afd3?
May 06 16:41:58 <tommorris>	I should vote for the guy because he has a Guinness World Record? SRSLY?
May 06 16:42:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	sorry?
May 06 16:42:13 <jps>	maybe he has influence with the Isle of Man parliament and has had them pass a certificate congratulating him on winning a race that doesn't seem to exist anywhere else
May 06 16:42:30 <wctaiwan>	The preloaded tag says afd3 despite that there doesn't seem to be prior nominations.
May 06 16:42:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	wctaiwan - I have no idea what you mean?
May 06 16:42:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 06 16:42:38 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs
May 06 16:42:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	maybe you typed it wrong?
May 06 16:42:46 <wctaiwan>	wait oh
May 06 16:42:49 <wctaiwan>	Never mind >_>
May 06 16:42:49 <wctaiwan>	sorry
May 06 16:43:03 <wctaiwan>	I misunderstood. I thought afd3 indicates that it's the 3rd nomination
May 06 16:43:26 <jps>	"He was created a Freeman of the City of London and Liveryman of the Guild of Air Pilots and Navigators." what does that even mean?
May 06 16:43:57 <wctaiwan>	freeman of the city of london = can herd sheep over london bridge
May 06 16:43:59 <wctaiwan>	I think.
May 06 16:44:02 <tommorris>	yep
May 06 16:44:10 <Ironholds>	jps; they're honourary positions
May 06 16:44:26 <wctaiwan>	I wonder if that has ever been on DYK.
May 06 16:44:31 *	tommorris wants whatever position it is that lets him legally throw piles of horse manure at investment bankers.
May 06 16:44:35 <wctaiwan>	it's one of the hilariously odd stuff
May 06 16:44:35 <Ironholds>	the Guild of Air Pilots and Navigators is the official and honourary guild for those bloody sky-drivers
May 06 16:44:43 <Ironholds>	tommorris: civil servant?
May 06 16:45:03 *	Fluffernutter mentally casts tommorris in the next American Psycho film
May 06 16:45:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	now I know how far you'd go / to be the next freak show, american psycho / cover of a magazine / patron saint to troubled teens / wish i'd never heard your name
May 06 16:45:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	([[Treble Charger]])
May 06 16:47:20 <tommorris>	"There are a number of rights traditionally but apocryphally associated with Freemen.the right to drive sheep and cattle over London Bridge; to a silken rope, if hanged; to carry a naked sword in public; or that if the City of London Police finds a freeman drunk and incapable, they will bundle him or her into a taxi and send them home rather than throw them into a cell. While sheep have occasionally been driven over London Bridge on specia
May 06 16:47:26 <TBloemink>	weird nazi-style user-page vandalism on my user page
May 06 16:47:44 <TBloemink>	lets bring in the userbox: This userpage has been vandalized ... times
May 06 16:47:54 <jps>	it is possible that the Isle of Man Parliament has instituted a European Air Racing Championship, but I think trying to live vicariously through a manufactured biography and achievements is either more likely or much the same kind of thing
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May 06 16:55:14 <jps>	because of the Isle of Man's unique folklore, I'm unable to verify the authenticity of anything associated with it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkan_Sonney
May 06 16:55:50 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: Done, for what it's worth.
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May 06 17:05:20 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 06 17:05:55 *	Fluffernutter piles on and hugs derp too
May 06 17:06:15 *	Hedgehog456 pulls Ironholds into the writhing heap
May 06 17:06:21 *	Hedgehog456 grabs ChanServ too
May 06 17:07:06 <tommorris>	holy moley, the AFC backlog is large
May 06 17:07:12 <tommorris>	156 articles!
May 06 17:07:19 *	Hedgehog456 pulls tommorris in
May 06 17:07:35 <tommorris>	a writhing heap?
May 06 17:07:37 <tommorris>	kinky.
May 06 17:07:52 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 06 17:08:02 *	Hedgehog456 destroys tommorris with cosmic fire
May 06 17:08:18 *	Fluffernutter backs out of heap. I'm not that kind of girl!
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May 06 17:08:25 *	tommorris prefers writhing stacks to writhing heaps
May 06 17:08:27 *	derp huggles Fluffernutter tightly.
May 06 17:08:47 <Despatche>	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cell_phone_in_microwave.gif
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May 06 17:09:57 <Hedgehog456>	ew.
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May 06 17:11:10 <Leef5>	appreciate some advice - if anyone has the time.  in particular with dealing with a pov pusher (ownership, wikilawyering, civility) you name it ;)
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May 06 17:29:30 <Pesky>	Well there's an unholy silence!
May 06 17:29:45 <Pesky>	And I'm not your gal on this - don;t know half enough!
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May 06 17:30:12 <Hedgehog456>	AV, AV, AV, AV!
May 06 17:30:30 <Pesky>	Insects are not having a good time with me today ….
May 06 17:30:55 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: AV!
May 06 17:31:03 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 17:31:50 <Pesky>	AV?
May 06 17:32:00 <Pesky>	Really?
May 06 17:32:36 <Pesky>	… I accidentally disturbed a bumble-bee nest this morning; and seriously-on-purpose destroyed a wasps nest this afternoon
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May 06 17:33:24 <Hedgehog456>	AV isn't faring well atm.
May 06 17:33:33 <Pesky>	Neither are the waps
May 06 17:33:36 <Pesky>	wasps
May 06 17:33:46 <Pesky>	… which are a little closer to home
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May 06 17:34:43 <geniice>	hmm http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Candidates/en no women and only 3 beards
May 06 17:35:58 <Theo10011>	some of those are good candidates.
May 06 17:36:38 <Theo10011>	surprised not a lot of people from the active english wikipedia community run for the board.
May 06 17:36:57 <Ironholds>	Theo10011, they do
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May 06 17:37:03 <Ironholds>	geniice, I know of at least one woman running
May 06 17:37:13 <Ironholds>	how about you both cease judgment until the nominations close, eh?
May 06 17:37:17 <WhiteWriter>	People, what about this?
May 06 17:37:21 <Theo10011>	ya, at least one.
May 06 17:37:24 <WhiteWriter>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Davidshabulafia
May 06 17:37:26 <WhiteWriter>	What we do with this situations.
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May 06 17:38:06 <WhiteWriter>	WP:COI
May 06 17:38:07 <WhiteWriter>	?
May 06 17:38:15 <Theo10011>	idk
May 06 17:38:21 <Theo10011>	tag it for notability, I guess.
May 06 17:38:45 <WhiteWriter>	But what about user Davidshabulafia, who edited same page
May 06 17:38:57 <geniice>	Theo10011 it probably helps if board memebers speak at least two languages which disqualifies a far chunk (although far from all) of the en community
May 06 17:38:58 <WhiteWriter>	what is wiki rule regarding this
May 06 17:39:37 <Pesky>	I'd say probably ok for notability, after an ultra-quick look.
May 06 17:39:58 <Theo10011>	I understand that geniice, but in my opinion that is beginning to hurt the situation.
May 06 17:40:23 <Theo10011>	considering the fact that the english Wikipedia is the largest project, there's not enough representation on the board.
May 06 17:40:25 <geniice>	Theo10011 en already gets far more attention than any other project
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May 06 17:41:10 <Theo10011>	It does, but the board should have a healthy mix from the largest community as well.
May 06 17:41:25 <geniice>	hmm a good DYK "that an extremophile bacterium, Paracoccus denitrificans, has been found to grow even under 400,000 times Earth's gravity, a fact having implications on the feasibility of panspermia?"
May 06 17:41:45 <geniice>	What I want to know is what train of thought leads people to think of testing that
May 06 17:41:46 <Pesky>	I saw that one in the queue - looked v. intersting
May 06 17:42:11 <Pesky>	There's a lot of interest in extremophilics
May 06 17:43:11 <Theo10011>	ya they've been found in places where life was never expected to be.
May 06 17:43:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	panspermia is just a hypothesis
May 06 17:43:50 <geniice>	yes but when you think about testing extremophiles you usualy think about conditions actualy found on earth (heat cold pressure radiation etc)
May 06 17:44:02 <Theo10011>	the research does have a lot of implication on astrobiology.
May 06 17:45:27 <Pesky>	Testers think of /everything/
May 06 17:45:33 <Pesky>	It's the kind of minds they have
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May 06 17:48:45 <geniice>	I really doubt if anyone has tested bacteria for growing when exposed to high levels of scandium
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May 06 17:50:27 <geniice>	oh and aparently no one tested Zam Zam holy water for arsenic untill very recently
May 06 17:50:56 <geniice>	Theo10011 what that life might be able to survive the gravity effects of a supernova?
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May 06 17:51:43 <Pesky>	I think more that there is likely to be life in places that we hadn't previously considered to be 'capable of sustaioning life'
May 06 17:54:39 <Theo10011>	geniice exobiology would cover a larger field than just that, there's already been theories about life growing on one of jupiters moon.
May 06 17:54:45 <Theo10011>	or a stray asteroid.
May 06 17:55:03 <geniice>	yes but 400,000g? I don't think we are going to reclassify neutron stars as "capable of sustaining life"
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May 06 17:55:21 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 17:55:35 <Pesky>	But … supose they are?
May 06 17:55:48 <Pesky>	Just for the sake of supposing ...
May 06 17:55:50 <Theo10011>	not every asteroid has to be affected by Supernova.
May 06 17:56:05 <Theo10011>	its just extreme of space that they have to survive.
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May 06 17:56:33 <geniice>	Theo10011 I'm not saying it isn't useful but I'm trying to get my head around the thought process to get there. I mean 400Kg is what we use to seperate the bits of backteria after we've mashed them up
May 06 17:57:22 <Theo10011>	400 Kg?
May 06 17:57:25 <Pesky>	Is that how they discovered it?
May 06 17:58:02 <Pesky>	(kilo-gravs)
May 06 17:59:42 <Theo10011>	hmm I know Kilogram and Kilogauss, never heard of Kilo-gravs.
May 06 18:00:00 <Pesky>	prob not the 'correct' name, but gets the idea across
May 06 18:01:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	4*10^5 g
May 06 18:01:43 <Ironholds>	Kilo-gravs
May 06 18:01:50 <Ironholds>	they measure out thousandths of gravy
May 06 18:01:55 <Pesky>	Thass wot I sed!
May 06 18:02:23 <Pesky>	oh - so what measures thousandzzzzz
May 06 18:02:54 <Pesky>	and - are you sure?
May 06 18:03:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: how do you ensure the death of a computer?
May 06 18:03:10 <Ironholds>	with killer bites
May 06 18:03:20 <Pesky>	Or a terminal illness
May 06 18:03:29 <Pesky>	:o)
May 06 18:04:17 <Ironholds>	sigh
May 06 18:05:03 <Pesky>	Why the long face?
May 06 18:06:12 <Ironholds>	I'm secretly a horse
May 06 18:06:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	that explains the odor
May 06 18:06:44 <MuZemike>	Of course, of course
May 06 18:06:57 <Qcoder00>	Me is worried
May 06 18:07:12 <Qcoder00>	I did at least 300 image updates today :(
May 06 18:07:31 <Qcoder00>	Perhaps I should ask for 'pusedo' bot status?
May 06 18:07:36 <Qcoder00>	XD
May 06 18:07:48 <Pesky>	Thinks of risqé things to say about horses ……
May 06 18:08:11 <Ironholds>	stop it, or I'll think you're flirting with me ;p
May 06 18:08:14 <Pesky>	I am (actually) a "horse whisperer"
May 06 18:08:22 <Ironholds>	bugger, the AV referendum really has shitted
May 06 18:08:36 <Pesky>	Horrible name, that
May 06 18:08:47 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: ? I'd been trying to avoid the AV results
May 06 18:08:50 <Pesky>	They should have come up with a better thing than that
May 06 18:09:06 <Qcoder00>	I assume the AV result is not going the way the Lib Dems expected?
May 06 18:09:19 <tommorris>	Ironholds: I'm getting angry about it here - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Comments:UK_holds_referendum_on_voting_system
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May 06 18:09:31 <Pesky>	The No campaign were spreading a lot more stuff abou than the Yes-men
May 06 18:10:03 <tommorris>	also, this is quite a funny undeletion reqeust - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3aRequests+for+undeletion&diff=427766877&oldid=427722671
May 06 18:10:18 <tommorris>	"my wife would get a kick out of it"
May 06 18:10:31 <Qcoder00>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13309581 - Hmm hardly suprising someone would try to blame Anonymous for a cyber attack
May 06 18:11:16 *	tommorris may start using "my {family member} would get a kick out of it" in sexuality-related AfDs
May 06 18:11:26 <Fluffernutter>	lol tommorris
May 06 18:11:35 <Pesky>	lol
May 06 18:11:42 <tommorris>	"I'm sexualy attracted to _____" so needs to go on the bad arguments at AfD page
May 06 18:11:48 <tommorris>	...and bad arguments at RfA page tbh
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May 06 18:12:06 <Pesky>	but ideally with the double -L
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May 06 18:12:40 <Jamietw>	Is there a Meta-Wiki IRC Channel?
May 06 18:12:43 *	tommorris bamez hus RSI 4 his sh1t typing
May 06 18:13:17 <Pesky>	I just blame the paws - they're not designed for it
May 06 18:13:26 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: what about "[Keep/oppose]. The other side is made up of pigfuckers"?
May 06 18:13:29 <geniice>	Jamietw #wikimedia would probably be the closest
May 06 18:13:35 <Jamietw>	Thanks
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May 06 18:14:12 <geniice>	tommorris pippa middleton AFD?
May 06 18:14:37 <Fluffernutter>	it would be worse if it was otto middleton
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May 06 18:16:54 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I got three people being complimentary about my appearance at my RfA
May 06 18:17:08 <Ironholds>	it made me feel uncomfortable and violated
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May 06 18:17:15 <Pesky>	haha
May 06 18:17:36 <Theo10011>	Jamietw #wikimedia-stewards is the closest meta channel.
May 06 18:17:48 <Theo10011>	Nothing ever happens in #wikimedia.
May 06 18:17:50 <Pesky>	I reckon you look like Charles II
May 06 18:18:00 <Pesky>	All you need is the right costume, and the hat
May 06 18:18:09 <Ironholds>	one did compliment my quote "lusciously flowing hair"
May 06 18:18:23 <Pesky>	luscious … now there's a good word
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May 06 18:18:45 <Pesky>	Did you stand by the fan and do that whole 'hair blowing in the wind' thing?
May 06 18:18:53 <Ironholds>	no, that doesn't work with me
May 06 18:19:11 <Pesky>	?
May 06 18:19:11 <Ironholds>	it sort of hits me in the face and I end up looking like the dog from the magic roundabout
May 06 18:19:17 <Pesky>	Dougal!
May 06 18:19:31 <Pesky>	The idea is that you have your face towards the fan, dear ...
May 06 18:19:46 <Pesky>	… not away from it
May 06 18:19:47 *	Fluffernutter snickers
May 06 18:19:58 <Ironholds>	for the wind to be strong enough to actually pull my (annoyingly thick) hair back in a sort of impressive flowy thing behind me which demands a greatsword and a leather greatcoat, it has to be strong enough that I need to close my eyes
May 06 18:20:08 <Ironholds>	which invariably leads to me falling over stuff, kinda ruining the whole thing
May 06 18:20:28 <Ironholds>	or in one occasion, running into a lamppost
May 06 18:20:38 <Pesky>	Noooo, you have to stand still, with that wossname word which I can't remember look on your face (accoutns for the screwed up eyes)
May 06 18:20:48 <Fluffernutter>	enigmatic?
May 06 18:20:52 <Pesky>	no
May 06 18:20:52 <geniice>	see glasses solve that problem
May 06 18:21:08 <Pesky>	Greatsword and leather greatcoat don;t really go
May 06 18:21:29 <Pesky>	Greatsword and mysterious black cape goes
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May 06 18:21:52 <Pesky>	And long leather boots with turned-over tops
May 06 18:22:07 <Pesky>	Aha!  Highwayman's mask - that would get over the eye thing
May 06 18:22:24 <Ironholds>	Pesky: the greatsword would, obviously, be in my hand
May 06 18:22:30 <Pesky>	Well, yes
May 06 18:22:35 <Ironholds>	swinging in a louche and yet deadly fashion as I walked
May 06 18:22:42 <Ironholds>	the leather boots are a must
May 06 18:22:43 <Pesky>	minced
May 06 18:23:18 <Ironholds>	and a fedora
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May 06 18:23:24 <Pesky>	And you have to do that throw-the-sword-spinning-into-the-air-and-then-(carefully)-catch-it thing, too
May 06 18:23:26 <geniice>	if the backsword was good enough for George Silver it's good enough for anyone else
May 06 18:23:28 <Ironholds>	basically I'm saying Harry Dresden but without the sex appeal thing
May 06 18:23:31 <Pesky>	No, not a fedora.  Wrong look
May 06 18:23:44 <Pesky>	Sex appeal - please give generously, kind of thing?
May 06 18:23:45 <Theo10011>	Is Ironholds cross-dressing?
May 06 18:23:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	when isn't he
May 06 18:23:58 <Pesky>	No, it's the highwayman look
May 06 18:24:14 <Pesky>	Tricorne would do OK
May 06 18:24:24 <Theo10011>	really? highwaymen wear fedoras?
May 06 18:24:24 <Ironholds>	eh, I was thinking http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Yumi68/HarryDresden.jpg
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May 06 18:24:39 <Ironholds>	but really, dressing me up is the ol' lipstick on a pig problem
May 06 18:24:55 <Pesky>	Not a bad pic, on the whole
May 06 18:25:06 <Fluffernutter>	you could work a fedora, i think, Ironholds
May 06 18:25:12 <Pesky>	I wouldn't mind dressing you up as Charles II
May 06 18:25:20 <Pesky>	Cloak and tricorne
May 06 18:25:27 <Pesky>	and unicorn
May 06 18:25:28 <Ironholds>	and the tights, and shoes with tiny tiny buckles
May 06 18:25:34 <Ironholds>	I'd make a good Charles II
May 06 18:25:37 <Pesky>	not tights, dear, /hose/
May 06 18:25:43 <Ironholds>	although at some point if I actually get a career I need to cut all my hair off
May 06 18:25:46 <Ironholds>	it won't fit under my wig
May 06 18:25:49 <Pesky>	Why?
May 06 18:25:50 <Ironholds>	I know this because, yes, I tried
May 06 18:26:19 <Pesky>	Any career which requires you to be other than yourself is the wrong career fo you
May 06 18:26:27 <Pesky>	That's philosophy
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May 06 18:26:37 <Ironholds>	yes, there is a minor problem
May 06 18:26:47 <Ironholds>	which is that there is no career for lazy misanthropic sociopaths
May 06 18:26:51 <Pesky>	So don;t go playing with monirs ...
May 06 18:26:53 <Ironholds>	I mean, I could maybe be a serial killer
May 06 18:26:55 <Pesky>	minors
May 06 18:26:58 <Ironholds>	but I'd probably get bored and turn myself in
May 06 18:27:15 <Ironholds>	or just forget to sleep because I was writing a wikipedia article all night, and then end up dozing off at the scene of the crime
May 06 18:27:24 <Pesky>	Take a sledgehammer to a packet of Weetabix instead - most people wouldn't know the difference
May 06 18:27:27 <Headbomb>	holy tits, apparently Ahmadinejad is considering resignation
May 06 18:27:30 <Headbomb>	http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/05/201156113955925329.html
May 06 18:27:42 <Theo10011>	on the plus side, they might let you edit from the prison.
May 06 18:27:46 <Ironholds>	Pesky: that's also not a career
May 06 18:27:52 <geniice>	Headbomb there's been some internal conflict going on in iran for a while
May 06 18:27:52 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: that'd make CU results damned interesting
May 06 18:28:03 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 18:28:36 <Headbomb>	geniice: i know, but usually it seemed to be of the "i might as well be king so fuck you all"
May 06 18:28:43 <Pesky>	You're far too much of a free spirit ever to settle happily into a p[rison - so better avoid that route
May 06 18:28:48 <geniice>	Headbomb my guess is the clerics and the revolutionary guard are getting worried about the basij
May 06 18:28:56 <Ironholds>	I'm not really a free spirit
May 06 18:29:03 <Ironholds>	I mean, it's not like I actively dislike order
May 06 18:29:09 <Ironholds>	I just can't be arsed to follow it
May 06 18:29:14 <Pesky>	That's not what a free spirit is
May 06 18:29:29 <Pesky>	Free spirits can like order, so long as the order isn't oppression
May 06 18:29:32 <Headbomb>	probably has to do with Khamenei being a dickweed
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May 06 18:29:52 <jps>	woah http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/flooding-before-after_2011-05-04
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May 06 18:30:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I'm a hipster by default
May 06 18:30:11 <geniice>	Headbomb he is but he's diffifult to remove. He's maged to build a power base within the revolutionary guard see
May 06 18:30:20 <Ironholds>	it's "I'd like, TOTALLY GET INVOLVED IN YOUR MAINSTREAM EVENT, only I can't be arsed"
May 06 18:30:42 <Ironholds>	there is unfortunately no career which involves "be paid to write Wikipedia articles and pleasure Felicia Day"
May 06 18:30:42 <Pesky>	Funny how many intelligent people feel like that about so many things
May 06 18:31:02 <Pesky>	the cba thing
May 06 18:31:06 <geniice>	well not the second one no
May 06 18:31:36 <Pesky>	Somewhere out there is the absolute ideal career
May 06 18:31:44 <Headbomb>	also, lol @ Mashaei and others arrested have been accused of invoking djinns [spirits].
May 06 18:31:48 <Ironholds>	which someone more intelligent than me will take
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May 06 18:31:55 <Pesky>	How about becoming a best selling  writer?
May 06 18:32:07 <Ironholds>	Pesky: yeah, I can't write fiction and I'm not qualified to write non-fiction
May 06 18:32:15 <Pesky>	Or even a just-about-getting by-enough writer?
May 06 18:32:16 <Ironholds>	I am halfway through writing one work of fiction
May 06 18:32:20 <Ironholds>	which mindspillage assures me is not terrible
May 06 18:32:28 <Pesky>	How do you know (and what makes you think) you can't write fiction?
May 06 18:32:40 <Ironholds>	because I used to try and it was awful ;p
May 06 18:32:45 <Pesky>	I am nearly half way through book 3 of a fantasy trilogy
May 06 18:33:02 <Pesky>	Maybe you just weren;t trying the right kind of fiction for you
May 06 18:33:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	what's the trilogy?
May 06 18:33:41 <Pesky>	'not published yet' is what it's called !
May 06 18:33:52 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 18:33:53 <Ironholds>	Pesky: the one thing I've ever tried to write which was any good was basically "here is a year of my life with heavy exaggeration", which isn't really fiction
May 06 18:34:00 <Pesky>	Writing is the easy part.  Finding an agent is really hard
May 06 18:34:17 <Ironholds>	and I can't imagine a right kind of fiction
May 06 18:34:37 <Pesky>	How about historic detective thrillers with legal background
May 06 18:34:41 <Ironholds>	now, if one of the major newspapers had a job called "write a column each day that skewers someone and then drenches them in bile", THAT I would do
May 06 18:34:57 <Ironholds>	Pesky: eh. na.
May 06 18:35:01 <Pesky>	why not?
May 06 18:35:02 <Theo10011>	I think you can write crime fiction.
May 06 18:35:08 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: because?
May 06 18:35:23 <Theo10011>	idk tap into that rage of yours.
May 06 18:35:27 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I don't like victorian history, victorian legal history or thrillers
May 06 18:35:29 <geniice>	Ironholds>	richard littlejohn isn't letting go of that job any time soon
May 06 18:35:35 <Ironholds>	geniice: hah. touche.
May 06 18:35:41 <Ironholds>	one day his bile duct will just explode
May 06 18:35:55 <Pesky>	Write about the life of a serial killer - what drives him / her to it, how they plan their series, how they make it almost impossible to tie them down . etc. etc.
May 06 18:35:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	"not a man who works as a cunt"
May 06 18:36:05 <Theo10011>	oooh like Dexter.
May 06 18:36:11 <geniice>	Pesky been done
May 06 18:36:13 <Pesky>	But go for not-Victorian, then!
May 06 18:36:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	or "I Am Not A Serial Killer"
May 06 18:36:30 <geniice>	Pesky been done. See Brother Cadfael
May 06 18:36:37 <Pesky>	geniice: but can always be done again.  Different killer, different thriller
May 06 18:36:54 <Pesky>	Yes, I like Cadfael. And also Jecks, and all the rest
May 06 18:36:55 <Ironholds>	Pesky: you don't really get detectives before the 18th and 19th enturies
May 06 18:37:03 <Hedgehog456>	yay
May 06 18:37:07 <Ironholds>	and I can't see it being very interesting
May 06 18:37:07 <geniice>	Pesky historical detective fiction is popular at the moment since it gets you around pesky problems like DNA testing
May 06 18:37:12 <Fluffernutter>	there's very little that's new in fiction. the differences, and the good and bad, come with the person who turns it into a story
May 06 18:37:16 <Pesky>	This is /fiction/ ……. yes?  So you can make them up.  That's the joy of fiction./
May 06 18:37:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	have you read the Lord Darcy novels?
May 06 18:37:21 <Hedgehog456>	the swear word hiding feature on my website doesn't block Scunthorpe
May 06 18:37:31 <Pesky>	Not Darcy, no
May 06 18:37:32 <tommorris>	sigh. I do wish vandals would stop inserting personal information. having to tell revdel and oversight about stuff is boring
May 06 18:37:35 <Ironholds>	Pesky: some day I shall show people the deliberately vomit-inducing slash fiction I wrote
May 06 18:37:38 <Ironholds>	how does that work? :p
May 06 18:37:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - by Randall Garrett
May 06 18:37:40 <geniice>	Ironholds actualy some of the Brother Cadfael stuff isn't bad if very predictiable
May 06 18:37:55 <Ironholds>	geniice: not saying it's bad, just that I couldn't write it
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May 06 18:38:00 <Pesky>	The background is excellent
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May 06 18:38:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, or Lawrence Block's "Bernie Rhodenbarr" novels, about a burglar who solves crimes
May 06 18:38:09 <Pesky>	The WImsey onses are very good
May 06 18:38:23 <Pesky>	Iron I bet you could write it.
May 06 18:38:27 <Ironholds>	doubt it
May 06 18:38:27 <OlEnglish>	hi all
May 06 18:38:32 <Dragonfly6-7>	he *has* to solve the crime, because if he doesn't, he's the most likely suspect
May 06 18:38:40 <Ironholds>	I'd try to write something deliberately bad for my own sick sense of amusement
May 06 18:38:40 <geniice>	Ironholds been done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#.22Girls_.28Scream.29_Aloud.22
May 06 18:38:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	and because he's a burglar, he has no problem with sneaking onto the crime scene and planting fake evidence
May 06 18:38:50 <Pesky>	Various deceased family members of mine wrote detective fiction as a sideline
May 06 18:38:58 <Theo10011>	Also, isn't publishing a dying business?
May 06 18:39:07 <Pesky>	Kind of.
May 06 18:39:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	all businesses are dying
May 06 18:39:18 <geniice>	Theo10011 it's unclear
May 06 18:39:19 <Ironholds>	about a sociopathic lawyer who deliberately commits crimes, frames others and then defends them to provide him with some sort of challenge
May 06 18:39:25 <Pesky>	But people still like paper books.  You can't really curl up under the covers comfortably with a computer
May 06 18:39:33 <Fluffernutter>	traditional, paper-and-pencil-based publishing is on a bit of a downswing
May 06 18:39:37 <Ironholds>	Pesky: the sexbot 3000 say different
May 06 18:39:40 <Theo10011>	Pesky: Kindle :)
May 06 18:39:40 <Ironholds>	*s
May 06 18:39:52 <geniice>	Pesky let me know when ctrl-F works on a book
May 06 18:40:00 <Pesky>	lol
May 06 18:40:01 <geniice>	ctrl-f rather
May 06 18:40:14 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  - I didn;t get the comment - brain-dead atm
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May 06 18:40:37 <Pesky>	… oh, OK, just got there ...
May 06 18:40:50 <Pesky>	I want a publisher.
May 06 18:40:56 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I know one!
May 06 18:41:02 <Ironholds>	his name's Mike
May 06 18:41:12 <Pesky>	Yes, but I bet they're "not taking on any new authors at present"
May 06 18:41:15 <Hedgehog456>	The Ironholds Sombre Literature Company
May 06 18:41:24 <Ironholds>	naw, they're pretty reasonable - he's got thousands of authors for his firm
May 06 18:41:33 <Ironholds>	I've even got the business card around here, hang on
May 06 18:41:40 <Ironholds>	yeah, it says "Mike Rosoft, Publisher"
May 06 18:41:43 <Ironholds>	that's what you wanted?
May 06 18:41:53 <Hedgehog456>	"IRONHOLDS - PUBLISH YOUR SOMBRE BOOKS HERE"
May 06 18:42:08 <Pesky>	Every publisher I;ve contacted says "we only take works via literary agents", and every literary agent says : "not taking on any new authors at present"
May 06 18:42:10 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456:
May 06 18:42:14 <Ironholds>	eck
May 06 18:42:28 <Ironholds>	I was going to say "I only accept volumes which are big enough to be used as offensive weaponry"
May 06 18:42:34 <Pesky>	haha
May 06 18:42:37 <Hedgehog456>	Haha
May 06 18:42:44 *	Tothwolf holds up a UNIX manual
May 06 18:42:45 <Ironholds>	"or to prop up my table, and don't expect to get paid for that, it's just a bit uneven"
May 06 18:42:47 *	Hedgehog456 updates the actual real business card
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May 06 18:42:53 <Pesky>	Ironholds, when I see you, you deserve to be spanked ….
May 06 18:42:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - have you tried publishing short fiction first?
May 06 18:42:58 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: I said offensive weapon, not "banned under the geneva conventions as OTT"
May 06 18:43:05 <Pesky>	Short fiction's boring
May 06 18:43:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: deserve? What did I do that was so wonderful?
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May 06 18:43:14 <Tothwolf>	Ironholds: you are no fun :P
May 06 18:43:19 <Pesky>	The Mike Rosoft thing
May 06 18:43:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	Pesky - but it gets you known.
May 06 18:43:27 <Ironholds>	I was quite proud of that
May 06 18:43:34 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: just like UNIX, then ;p
May 06 18:43:37 <Pesky>	Yes, it was good.  Graony, but good
May 06 18:43:39 *	Hedgehog456 holds up a UNIX Programmer's Manual - With Commentary
May 06 18:43:40 <Pesky>	groany
May 06 18:43:52 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: you realize he has a thing for being spanked by grandmothers, right?
May 06 18:43:57 <Hedgehog456>	Even worse
May 06 18:43:59 <Pesky>	I did wonder ..
May 06 18:44:04 <killiondude>	> Al-Qaida confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden Friday
May 06 18:44:05 <killiondude>	OSAMA IS STILL ALIVE WITH ELVIS AND TUPAC
May 06 18:44:12 <Pesky>	And Shergar
May 06 18:44:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter-  who?
May 06 18:44:19 <Tothwolf>	killiondude: living on mars
May 06 18:44:38 <killiondude>	I wouldn't doubt it.
May 06 18:44:39 <Hedgehog456>	Tothwolf: with bunnies and Richard Nixon as their pets
May 06 18:44:40 <killiondude>	They are sneaky like that.
May 06 18:45:08 <Theo10011>	killiondude so biggie smalls is really dead.
May 06 18:45:53 <killiondude>	Banish the thought.
May 06 18:46:56 <Ironholds>	yes, I do love the old people
May 06 18:47:14 <Ironholds>	just when you think that blowjobs can't get better than a woman with 60 years of experience, they pop out their dentures
May 06 18:47:17 <Pesky>	I don't feel old, that's the troublew
May 06 18:48:15 <Pesky>	Apart from all the damaged joints ...
May 06 18:48:25 <Pesky>	But my teeth at least are still my own!
May 06 18:48:37 <Pesky>	(and sharp)
May 06 18:48:47 <Pesky>	cig brk
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May 06 18:49:18 <Ironholds>	mine aren't! I stole them
May 06 18:49:49 <tommorris>	Pesky: eww. Stop.
May 06 18:50:02 <tommorris>	oh, wait
May 06 18:50:04 <tommorris>	sorry
May 06 18:50:04 <tommorris>	misread
May 06 18:50:08 <tommorris>	Ironholds: Double eww. Stop. Now.
May 06 18:50:14 <Fluffernutter>	lawl
May 06 18:50:48 <Hedgehog456>	Or we release the Fenix from the ashes.
May 06 18:51:23 <geniice>	eh you see worse as a commons admin
May 06 18:51:43 <Ironholds>	tommorris: let me tell you..they don't START with white hair
May 06 18:51:45 *	Ironholds leers
May 06 18:52:48 *	Hedgehog456 raises the fenix from the ashes
May 06 18:53:12 <Ironholds>	oh FUCK
May 06 18:53:16 <Ironholds>	we lost chesterfield
May 06 18:53:25 <tommorris>	for some reason, I've been writing stubs for Citizendium this afternoon while vandal patrolling on enwp
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May 06 18:53:58 <Hedgehog456>	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13297573 Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-
May 06 18:54:05 <Pesky>	Ironholds - no more comments about age until you can beat me at this game:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_climbing_in_the_New_Forest.png
May 06 18:54:21 <Tothwolf>	tommorris: copy/paste? ;)
May 06 18:54:26 <Pesky>	… and yes, that is actually me in that tree
May 06 18:54:27 *	Tothwolf chuckles
May 06 18:54:29 <Jeske_Couriano>	Anyone here familiar with Wikisource?
May 06 18:55:25 <tommorris>	Jeske_Couriano: a little bit
May 06 18:55:56 <Jeske_Couriano>	tommorris) There's someone in #wikipedia-en-help who needs some assistance with it
May 06 18:56:04 <Ironholds>	Pesky: taking out-of-focus pictures or climbing trees?
May 06 18:56:11 <Pesky>	In the tree
May 06 18:56:23 <Ironholds>	woman, when I was nine I was sent to a boarding school surrounded by forest
May 06 18:56:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	and your'e still there
May 06 18:56:34 <Ironholds>	the choices were sports or hiding in the woods
May 06 18:56:35 <Pesky>	Takes a lot of middle-body (OK, yes, and upper body, and lower body) strength to do that
May 06 18:56:39 <Ironholds>	I hate sports
May 06 18:56:41 <killiondude>	Sherrwood Forest?
May 06 18:56:45 <Ironholds>	I'm pretty good at tree-climbing
May 06 18:56:50 <Ironholds>	killiondude: sure, if it'll shut yu up
May 06 18:56:51 <Ironholds>	*o
May 06 18:57:05 <killiondude>	The United Kingdom is just a fairytale land.
May 06 18:57:09 <Pesky>	I am /excellent/ at tree-climbing
May 06 18:57:14 <Ironholds>	Pesky: you can't be
May 06 18:57:20 <Pesky>	Why not?
May 06 18:57:30 <Ironholds>	because you said that picture was your own work, in which case you must have been taking the picture, and not taking the tree
May 06 18:57:33 <Pesky>	I spent a large proportion of my childhook in trees
May 06 18:57:40 <Pesky>	OH's work counts as mine
May 06 18:57:42 <Ironholds>	unless you're telling me you've violated copyright law and I should delete that image? :p
May 06 18:57:44 <Ironholds>	OH?
May 06 18:57:50 <Pesky>	And vice-versa (private agreement we have)
May 06 18:57:55 <Pesky>	Other half
May 06 18:58:08 <Ironholds>	ahh
May 06 18:58:16 *	Ironholds snorts
May 06 18:58:33 <Ironholds>	my mind jumped to "private agreement means 'if he doesn't do what you say you cut a bit of him off in his sleep', right?"
May 06 18:58:46 <Pesky>	He would of course be perfectly happy to put that in writing if anyone questioned it
May 06 18:59:00 <Pesky>	Noooooo! I wouldn't do that to him!
May 06 18:59:12 <Ironholds>	you could taxidermy it and use it as a coatrack
May 06 18:59:18 <Pesky>	Mainly because he must be the only person on earth who can actually handle living with me3
May 06 18:59:25 <Ironholds>	he'd still be living with you
May 06 18:59:27 <Tothwolf>	bad Ironholds! bad!
May 06 18:59:30 <Ironholds>	it just wouldn't be a "he" any more
May 06 18:59:42 <Fluffernutter>	depends on what bits need to be present to count as a he
May 06 18:59:43 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: it's actually a very cunning plan
May 06 18:59:46 <Pesky>	He is  very unusual
May 06 19:00:03 <Pesky>	And there are certain bits of him that I would miss if they got amputated
May 06 19:00:03 <Ironholds>	I figure if I can only have every man in the world's penis removed, women will have no choice but to sleep with me
May 06 19:00:15 <Tothwolf>	Pesky: Ironholds fell out of a few too many trees in his younger years
May 06 19:00:19 <Pesky>	Ummmmm … no, lots of choices!
May 06 19:00:24 <Ironholds>	of course, faced with that dilemma, I predict most women would probably become voluntary lesbians
May 06 19:00:26 *	DQ|school is now known as [DeltaQuad]
May 06 19:00:34 <Ironholds>	or just head down to ann summers
May 06 19:00:36 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds: they sell vibrators for a reason, you know
May 06 19:00:46 <Ironholds>	or hey, the nunneries always need more people
May 06 19:00:50 <geniice>	hmmm how much damage would this actualy do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_mm_Kolibri
May 06 19:00:57 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: I fell out of precisely the right number of tree
May 06 19:00:58 <Ironholds>	*s
May 06 19:01:11 <mindspillage>	precisely the right number for what?
May 06 19:01:16 <Pesky>	I haven't fallen out of any, I don;t think - I'm good at holding on
May 06 19:01:29 <Pesky>	And very flexible, so easy to chuck a leg around a bracnh and hang on
May 06 19:01:48 <mindspillage>	I've never fallen out of a tree. Fallen on plenty of other things though, including perfectly stationary floors.
May 06 19:01:51 <Pesky>	EDS has its uses
May 06 19:01:57 <Ironholds>	mindspillage: the right amount of brain damage
May 06 19:02:00 <Fluffernutter>	mindspillage: precisely the right number to render him the...him...that we see today
May 06 19:02:01 <Ironholds>	and yes, you fall over lots
May 06 19:02:22 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - you should read "Y, the Last Man"
May 06 19:02:27 <Tothwolf>	geniice: enough
May 06 19:02:30 <Pesky>	Stupid thing is that most of my more majhor injuries have resulted from really stupid things
May 06 19:02:34 <Ironholds>	geniice: very little, but I can think of a way to make it very, very deadly
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May 06 19:02:47 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Y: the Last Man]]
May 06 19:02:55 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I've never broken a bone, been stung by a bee or wasp, or done any of the other things that people are meant to fear
May 06 19:02:59 <geniice>	ricin pellet?
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May 06 19:03:02 *	mindspillage has only a minor case of serious brain damage.
May 06 19:03:03 <Ironholds>	I iz immortal. or something.
May 06 19:03:21 <Ironholds>	mindspillage: I've told you, brain damage is not verbally-transmitted
May 06 19:03:27 *	Fluffernutter will do her best to remedy that next time she gets her hands on you, Ironholds. My shoulder is still sore from where you punched me.
May 06 19:03:34 <Ironholds>	talking to me might make your brain hurt, but that doesn't mean it's damaged
May 06 19:03:44 <Pesky>	I have seriously pranged cartilages in both knees (both fixed now by the clever surgeons) - not from playing rugby, tree-climbing, horse-falling-off, or anything like that ...
May 06 19:03:51 <Tothwolf>	geniice: [[Kinetic energy]]
May 06 19:04:00 <Ironholds>	geniice: no; a stronger charge and it'd be perfect for short-range shots to the head
May 06 19:04:02 <Pesky>	left knee I pranges by attempting to see what was stuck to the bottom of my sock ...
May 06 19:04:14 <Ironholds>	the reason .22 bullets are particularly effective at that is precisely because of their small size
May 06 19:04:29 <Ironholds>	penetrate the skull, not enough power to go out the other side, pings around and turns their brain into rasberry preserve.
May 06 19:04:41 <Pesky>	Yup .22 up into brain stem through nape of neck - always a nice clean one
May 06 19:04:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	mmm, raspberry
May 06 19:05:00 <Ironholds>	Pesky: in the days of yore I fired .22 rifles
May 06 19:05:08 <Pesky>	Me, too!
May 06 19:05:15 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter, did we fire a .22 weapon at your father's place, or was that one of the broken ones?
May 06 19:05:17 <Ironholds>	Pesky: rifles or handguns?
May 06 19:05:17 <Pesky>	I was in the school rifle club
May 06 19:05:21 <Pesky>	Rifles
May 06 19:05:22 <Fluffernutter>	no, we fired the 22
May 06 19:05:56 <Ironholds>	Pesky; was it by any chance a Lee Enfield?
May 06 19:05:59 <Tothwolf>	meh
May 06 19:06:00 <Pesky>	I was actually wuite good … but of course that was whole decades before you were born
May 06 19:06:06 <Pesky>	rofl
May 06 19:06:15 <Tothwolf>	varmint guns...
May 06 19:06:16 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: just about everything was decades before he was born
May 06 19:06:25 <Ironholds>	the standard rifle for school shooting clubs seems to be the No. 4 Lee Enfield rechambered for .22
May 06 19:06:28 <Pesky>	Tell you what - I can actually, really, truly make flint arrow heads, if you want ...
May 06 19:06:36 <Ironholds>	which is neat, because that's what I used to fire
May 06 19:06:36 <Pesky>	never know when that might come in handy ..
May 06 19:06:45 <Ironholds>	Pesky: I can make massive aerial flaming dragons. HAH.
May 06 19:06:57 <Ironholds>	admittedly the one and only time I did it I ended up embedding a stanley knife through one of my knuckles
May 06 19:07:09 <Pesky>	i can do spear heads and hand axes, but I find serrated-edge blades really boring to try
May 06 19:07:20 <Ironholds>	you scare me
May 06 19:07:28 <Pesky>	So which breed of dragon dud you use?
May 06 19:07:34 <Hedgehog456>	^^
May 06 19:07:34 <Ironholds>	dragon dud?
May 06 19:07:36 <Pesky>	Why would that scare you?
May 06 19:07:42 <Pesky>	did
May 06 19:07:55 <Ironholds>	Pesky: because I'm waiting for the "and I have 30 sociopathic hyper-flexible grandchildren I have taught EVERYTHING I KNOW"
May 06 19:08:10 <Ironholds>	and breed, it was made of wicker, wax paper and fish glue
May 06 19:08:10 <Pesky>	hahahahaha! No, just five grandchildren at the last count
May 06 19:08:24 <Ironholds>	we cut and built it ourselves, set fire to it and launched it off the bell tower
May 06 19:08:30 <Ironholds>	the cutting bit was the problem
May 06 19:08:31 <Pesky>	fun!
May 06 19:08:35 <Ironholds>	mind you, I was 10
May 06 19:08:44 <Pesky>	Just last week, then, yes?
May 06 19:09:06 <Ironholds>	shut it, grandma
May 06 19:09:15 <Ironholds>	don't you have some canned prunes to be tucking into?
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May 06 19:09:20 <Pesky>	Quiet, infant, or I shall come and SPANK YOU
May 06 19:09:26 <Ironholds>	that's now illegal
May 06 19:09:28 <killiondude>	heh.
May 06 19:09:31 <Pesky>	So?
May 06 19:09:40 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 19:09:45 <Ironholds>	..point
May 06 19:09:49 <Pesky>	You'd love it, anyway
May 06 19:10:18 <Fluffernutter>	ack spider on my desk
May 06 19:10:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	go do something useful on Wikipedia
May 06 19:10:19 <Fluffernutter>	wtf
May 06 19:10:36 <Jeske_Couriano>	!admin User talk:Fuckyouagain needs whacked for username
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May 06 19:10:49 <Jeske_Couriano>	He's beginning to vandalize.
May 06 19:10:58 <Barras>	already locked
May 06 19:10:59 <Pesky>	Fluffernutter: in straight unarmed combat, human vs. spider, guess who usually wins?
May 06 19:11:05 *	Hedgehog456 admits defeat to Pesky 
May 06 19:11:13 <Jeske_Couriano>	((And if he's blocked, I apologize, but MrFishBot is not in the usual monitoring channel))
May 06 19:11:18 *	Pesky hugs Hedgehog456 
May 06 19:11:27 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Pesky tightly
May 06 19:11:36 <Ironholds>	Pesky: not really
May 06 19:11:40 *	Hedgehog456 activates Code X
May 06 19:11:51 <Pesky>	I bet you would
May 06 19:12:38 <Quentinv57>	Hello. Is there any enwiki sysop here ?
May 06 19:12:55 <geniice>	several
May 06 19:13:08 <Theo10011>	Hey Quentinv57
May 06 19:13:10 <Hedgehog456>	slave['evilslave']['action']['patronise'](#wikipedia.en['admin']):
May 06 19:13:17 <Theo10011>	take your pick.
May 06 19:13:26 <Quentinv57>	hello Theo10011 :)
May 06 19:13:49 <killiondude>	More noise.
May 06 19:14:06 <Ironholds>	Pesky: doubt it
May 06 19:14:09 <Quentinv57>	That's about the website http://uggs-n-rugs.com, which globally hits a spam-blacklist regex
May 06 19:14:15 <Fluffernutter>	Pesky: I usually *win*, but not without psychological scarring
May 06 19:14:46 <Quentinv57>	Somebody has requested it to be whitelisted, for page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uggs-N-Rugs
May 06 19:14:56 <Hedgehog456>	if (freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['users']['Hedgehog456']['mode']['op'] = false) {me.action['murder'](freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['admin'])}
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May 06 19:15:06 <Hedgehog456>	Evil world domination, yay!
May 06 19:16:01 *	Pesky off to feed parent - back soon
May 06 19:16:05 <Quentinv57>	so I would request local sysops to add "uggs-n-rugs\.com" at the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist
May 06 19:16:25 <Quentinv57>	can anyone handle it, please ?
May 06 19:16:36 <Theo10011>	Killiondude?
May 06 19:17:34 <Jeske_Couriano>	!admin http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Jerrette12346 needs a block - 6+ unique legitimate filter hits and only edits are vandalism
May 06 19:18:27 <OlEnglish>	jeske: why not try rfa?
May 06 19:18:41 <killiondude>	he is an admin
May 06 19:18:42 <foks>	He's been an admin before
May 06 19:18:50 <Hedgehog456>	if (freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['mode'] != irc['mode']("+b *!*@*")) {freenode['channels']['#wikipedia-en']['action']['mode'](irc['mode']("+b *!*@*"))}
May 06 19:18:52 <killiondude>	Theo10011?
May 06 19:18:59 <OlEnglish>	he got desysoped?
May 06 19:19:01 <killiondude>	Hedgehog456: MORE.
May 06 19:19:06 <Theo10011>	Quentinv57 had a request.
May 06 19:19:18 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, can you help me ?
May 06 19:19:23 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456, would you stop that?
May 06 19:19:31 <Hedgehog456>	Okay
May 06 19:19:49 <Hedgehog456>	I was going to finish it off with a punchline, but... ah well
May 06 19:19:59 <killiondude>	oh, let me see
May 06 19:20:18 <killiondude>	what is at uggs n rugs?
May 06 19:20:21 <killiondude>	O_o
May 06 19:20:49 <Hedgehog456>	Blofeld.
May 06 19:20:52 <Theo10011>	Ugg boots.
May 06 19:20:59 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, that's just about inserting an external link on this page, I think
May 06 19:21:06 <Hedgehog456>	It's his latest world domination plan.
May 06 19:21:11 <Jeske_Couriano>	OlEnglish) Yeah, I got deopped.
May 06 19:21:18 <OlEnglish>	oh
May 06 19:21:26 <Theo10011>	they have their own entry on en.wp for contesting ugg trademark.
May 06 19:21:28 <jps>	Cambridge was 54.3% pro-AV sigh
May 06 19:21:28 <Jeske_Couriano>	I'm not an admin, as killiondude thinks.
May 06 19:21:31 <OlEnglish>	Jeske_Couriano: do you think you'd pass if you tried again?
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May 06 19:21:44 <Jeske_Couriano>	OlEnglish) I'm not trying again until PC is buried.
May 06 19:21:51 <OlEnglish>	ah yes
May 06 19:21:54 <Hedgehog456>	I'd pass anyone who came through it these days.
May 06 19:21:58 *	Fluffernutter doubts that anyone who threw away the bits in a hissy fit would pass
May 06 19:22:04 <killiondude>	You're an admin that doesn't want the tools.
May 06 19:22:08 <OlEnglish>	apparantly New York Brad is going to be closing the RFC tonight
May 06 19:22:14 <killiondude>	You can pick them back up at any time you wish!
May 06 19:22:16 <OlEnglish>	the RFC on Pending Changes
May 06 19:22:32 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, Theo10011 : so what bout it ?
May 06 19:22:36 <Quentinv57>	about
May 06 19:22:42 <killiondude>	Quentinv57: You think? Are you asking for someone else? I'm just a little confused.
May 06 19:22:46 <killiondude>	Why would this be blacklisted?
May 06 19:22:55 <Jeske_Couriano>	killiondude) No, I can't.
May 06 19:23:02 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, no, it is blacklisted and I want this to be whitelisted
May 06 19:23:09 <Jeske_Couriano>	The deop specifically precludes that.
May 06 19:23:10 <Fluffernutter>	Jeske_Couriano, did you resign under a cloud?
May 06 19:23:15 *	Jeske_Couriano nods
May 06 19:23:21 <Fluffernutter>	what'd you do?
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May 06 19:23:41 <Jeske_Couriano>	I'd sooner not talk about it.
May 06 19:23:46 <killiondude>	Well, Adam Cuerdan throws hissy fits all the time on Commons. I think he's still an admin there!
May 06 19:24:02 <Fluffernutter>	commons adminship is, from what i hear, a bit...strange
May 06 19:24:08 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, somebody requested unblacklisting on meta but it is a bit complicated, sb's noticed that it would be better to add it on local whitelist
May 06 19:24:18 <OlEnglish>	Fluffernutter: what do you mean?
May 06 19:24:18 <killiondude>	k, just a sec
May 06 19:24:27 <Theo10011>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist#uggs-n-rugs.com
May 06 19:24:43 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, thanks
May 06 19:24:58 <Fluffernutter>	OlEnglish: deoppings for not meeting quotas, etc
May 06 19:25:09 <OlEnglish>	ooh
May 06 19:25:19 <OlEnglish>	sounds.. medieval
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May 06 19:25:39 <Theo10011>	same as Meta.
May 06 19:25:39 <Fluffernutter>	this is all second-hands, so i coud be misinterpreting. but it sounds stressful
May 06 19:25:42 <Fluffernutter>	-s
May 06 19:26:30 <Pesky>	We have a mega-storm blowing in here!  Wheeee!
May 06 19:26:37 <foks>	We don't!
May 06 19:26:42 <foks>	We have the first sun of the day
May 06 19:26:48 <Fluffernutter>	they said we might get a storm here tonight
May 06 19:26:49 <foks>	take THAT weather
May 06 19:26:58 <Pesky>	Clouds have gone as dark as very dark things, wind has just picked up like mad ...
May 06 19:27:01 <OlEnglish>	wikisources has a pretty relaxed community atmosphere
May 06 19:27:03 *	Hedgehog456 defenestrates the channel
May 06 19:27:08 <foks>	Fluffernutter, I have written a chorus in Italian.
May 06 19:27:12 <OlEnglish>	wikinews can be stressful i hear
May 06 19:27:15 <Fluffernutter>	foks, ooh. share?
May 06 19:27:15 <foks>	heard it here first.
May 06 19:27:25 <foks>	sure, but it's BAD ITALIAN
May 06 19:27:30 <OlEnglish>	wiktionary has som over-protective admins
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May 06 19:27:41 <Fluffernutter>	foks: that's ok, my italian sucks anyway
May 06 19:27:43 <OlEnglish>	dunno nothin' bout Wikispecies..
May 06 19:27:53 <Hedgehog456>	foks: Like ~~~ Mafia, mafia, MAFIA, mafia! ~~~?
May 06 19:28:05 *	HSJ is now known as Hazard-SJ
May 06 19:28:05 <foks>	:D
May 06 19:28:09 <foks>	Not quite.
May 06 19:28:15 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 06 19:28:45 <Fluffernutter>	foks is secretly a scottish mafioso
May 06 19:28:52 <Quentinv57>	killiondude, thank you
May 06 19:29:02 <killiondude>	You're welcome.
May 06 19:29:13 <killiondude>	for foks sakes.
May 06 19:29:23 *	Fluffernutter gives killiondude a cookie
May 06 19:29:48 <foks>	Mia cara calma / Ci insegnato a tradirli / Vi dicemmo di non cura. // Mia genere amata / Ce la faremo fuori / E mostrarle ciò che siamo.
May 06 19:29:52 <tommorris>	nice. someone has just accused me of being an admin
May 06 19:29:53 <tommorris>	I get to increase the counter by 1
May 06 19:29:53 <tommorris>	that makes four times
May 06 19:30:05 <killiondude>	did you just post three lines in the same second?
May 06 19:30:16 <Fluffernutter>	he's talented like that
May 06 19:30:20 <foks>	I think he's lagging.
May 06 19:30:22 <Fluffernutter>	one-second man, you know
May 06 19:30:24 <foks>	Or you're lagging.
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May 06 19:30:41 <Hedgehog456>	He did<
May 06 19:30:42 <Hedgehog456>	Of course he did
May 06 19:30:42 <Hedgehog456>	I'm doing it now
May 06 19:31:19 <killiondude>	<QCoder00> I'm sorry but some of your comments have caused me upset
May 06 19:31:25 *	killiondude hugs Qcoder00.
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May 06 19:31:34 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude, what did you say to upset him?
May 06 19:31:38 <Qcoder00>	killiondude?
May 06 19:31:40 <Qcoder00>	Huh?
May 06 19:31:55 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Qcoder00 comfortingly
May 06 19:32:00 <killiondude>	really old quote
May 06 19:32:21 <Hedgehog456>	500 billion years old?
May 06 19:32:40 <Fluffernutter>	unlikely
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May 06 19:36:28 <ZT>	do we *really* need this trivia list [[Works of fiction set in 1976]]?
May 06 19:37:17 <killiondude>	each time you remove a piece of trivia from Wikipedia a baby dies.
May 06 19:37:33 <Jeske_Couriano>	ZT) Start killin' babies.
May 06 19:38:02 *	Fluffernutter looks at killiondude, heads to wikipedia to start removing trivia
May 06 19:38:03 <tommorris>	I'd suggest that someone start Trivipedia, a giant database of trivia so useless it doesn't need to be on WP.
May 06 19:38:13 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: seen Wikia lately?
May 06 19:38:14 <tommorris>	But then... I fear Wikipedia's content contributions would slump even further ;-)
May 06 19:38:30 <tommorris>	Citizendium, Wikinfo, Wikia: we need you!
May 06 19:38:52 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Give us you facts, you hudlled collections of information.... ;)
May 06 19:38:57 <Qcoder00>	*your facts
May 06 19:39:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	what about all the TV shows that were broadcast *in* 1976?
May 06 19:39:16 <Theo10011>	Wikia is getting good with Games wikis.
May 06 19:39:17 <tommorris>	that basically was the premise of Wikinfo, wasn't it?
May 06 19:39:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm sure there were lots of episodes of "All My Children" that were set in 1976
May 06 19:39:35 <Doh5678>	Why just Wikia?
May 06 19:39:37 <tommorris>	or was it so people could be racist?
May 06 19:39:41 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh! Time Travel shows!
May 06 19:39:47 <tommorris>	and put Wikipe-tan on the home page
May 06 19:39:47 <Dragonfly6-7>	how many episodes of Quantum Leap were set in 1976?
May 06 19:40:09 <jps>	in the before version of http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/flooding-before-after_2011-05-04?page=3 why are some of the clouds light blue?
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May 06 19:42:02 <tommorris>	"Voting is a tool, so are voters"
May 06 19:42:59 <tommorris>	It's official: Britain is going to stick with our retarded and broken voting system
May 06 19:43:26 <killiondude>	voters are tolls
May 06 19:43:29 <killiondude>	tools, too
May 06 19:43:35 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: y'all are taking the whole emulating-america thing a bit too far
May 06 19:43:49 <killiondude>	you could be in australia where they fine you if you don't vote!
May 06 19:44:14 <jps>	I'm convinced that the demographic patterns will bring AV back on the UK ballot soon
May 06 19:44:45 <Krimpet>	Voters are like Toll House® cookies.
May 06 19:45:13 <Fluffernutter>	full of chips and nuts?
May 06 19:45:22 <jps>	Australians use AV
May 06 19:45:53 *	FAdmArcher is now known as FAdmArcher|away
May 06 19:45:58 <Doh5678>	My ward vote has just come in
May 06 19:46:37 <Doh5678>	Con, Lab, UKIP, Lib Dem, Eng Dem.
May 06 19:47:00 <Fluffernutter>	what's UKIP?
May 06 19:47:27 <Qcoder00>	UKIP are a load of right wingers that want to make the UK uncompetitive for ideological reasons
May 06 19:47:34 <Doh5678>	UK independence party
May 06 19:47:43 <killiondude>	ukip is like ikip
May 06 19:47:54 <Doh5678>	They beat the Lib Dems though
May 06 19:47:54 <Fluffernutter>	also, for that matter, what's EngDem's platform
May 06 19:47:55 <Qcoder00>	Any admins around?
May 06 19:47:58 <jps>	now Lib Dems will be forced to work within the Labour hegemony if they don't want to spoil their own elections, which does have advantages over being forced into a powerless coalition with austerity types
May 06 19:48:02 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude: that would be terrifying
May 06 19:48:10 <killiondude>	heh.
May 06 19:48:25 <Qcoder00>	Any admins,  AWB users or bot writers around?
May 06 19:48:30 <Fluffernutter>	whatever happened to ikip, anyway?
May 06 19:48:33 <Qcoder00>	I've got a little problem
May 06 19:48:38 <killiondude>	He ragequit, didn't he?
May 06 19:48:38 <Ironholds>	jps: my two candidates' wards just came in
May 06 19:48:53 <killiondude>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Okip
May 06 19:48:59 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude: i remember him scrambling his password, i think, but i don't remember the context
May 06 19:49:07 <Ironholds>	jsp: also, disagree - the lib dems are closer aligned to the tories than labour
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May 06 19:50:28 <jps>	one what issues?
May 06 19:50:33 <jps>	on* what
May 06 19:50:52 <Ironholds>	individual freedoms, the role of the state
May 06 19:50:54 <tommorris>	oh god, they've got Govetwat on TV
May 06 19:51:06 <tommorris>	I really want to punch Michael Gove
May 06 19:51:11 <Ironholds>	in the balls?
May 06 19:51:15 <tommorris>	go on Paddy Ashdown, give him a smack
May 06 19:51:16 <Ironholds>	with a knife?
May 06 19:51:25 <jps>	Labour supports more individual freedoms than Lib Dems?
May 06 19:51:41 <Fluffernutter>	does it count as punching if it involves a knife?
May 06 19:51:44 <Ironholds>	jps: eh?
May 06 19:51:53 <Ironholds>	jps: I said the lib dems and tories had more in common
May 06 19:51:59 <Ironholds>	not that the tories and labour had more in common ;p
May 06 19:52:22 <jps>	Which party do you think supports individual freedoms the most?
May 06 19:52:38 <Ironholds>	of the 3 main ones?
May 06 19:52:41 <jps>	yeah
May 06 19:52:49 <Ironholds>	well, that's difficult - define individual freedoms? Are we talking human rights or civil liberties?
May 06 19:53:13 <jps>	the way you meant it two minutes ago
May 06 19:53:21 <Ironholds>	the lib dems, in the context of positive rights
May 06 19:53:29 <Ironholds>	the tories tend to support negative freedoms to a stronger degree
May 06 19:53:58 <Qcoder00>	Anyone here good with Wikipedia technical stuff, or is this channel ##libdemsaredead at present?
May 06 19:54:15 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: #wikimedia-tech
May 06 19:54:22 <Ironholds>	go there and stop asking silly questions
May 06 19:54:27 *	tommorris now knows how it feels to be a sane American on the day after electing or re-electing George W Bush
May 06 19:54:36 <Qcoder00>	It's a specfically English Wikipedia matter
May 06 19:54:46 <Qcoder00>	And I don't call asking tech questions here silly
May 06 19:55:01 <killiondude>	Your questions are usually silly.
May 06 19:55:01 *	dungodung is now known as dungodung|away
May 06 19:55:02 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: you don't know how that feels unless you're currently in a screaming fight with two friends, crying, and drinking heavily, all at the same timer
May 06 19:55:13 <killiondude>	same timer!
May 06 19:55:16 <Qcoder00>	killiondude:  Not this time
May 06 19:55:28 *	Fluffernutter harrumphs, typos on killiondude's face
May 06 19:55:31 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: if it's technical, it's -tech
May 06 19:55:31 <Qcoder00>	I am wanting to know if it's possible to get a list of redirects in Image namespace
May 06 19:55:36 <killiondude>	Qcoder00: Don't ask to ask! Just ask your question and a helper will be right along to help you.
May 06 19:55:37 <Qcoder00>	So I can fix them up
May 06 19:55:50 <killiondude>	I think courcelles was working on such a list last night.
May 06 19:55:52 <Qcoder00>	killiondude: I just did
May 06 19:55:54 <Qcoder00>	:)
May 06 19:56:01 *	tommorris reckons we need an International Association for Solidarity Among Sane People.
May 06 19:56:09 *	Fluffernutter has dibs on courcelles next time he comes online. the rest of you can back right off.
May 06 19:56:11 <jps>	I would say the Lib Dems have been best, they want to decriminalize nonviolent crimes, depend on diplomacy instead of war, but the tories and labour have been in a tough-on-crime race to lock people up without charges for various lengths of time
May 06 19:56:11 <Ironholds>	tommorris: over 50 percent of votes have now been declared against, so, yeah
May 06 19:56:28 <Ironholds>	jps: again, it depends what you mean by "human rights"
May 06 19:56:31 <Ironholds>	or rather, "individual freedoms"
May 06 19:56:38 <Ironholds>	if you take a negative approach, the tories are your people
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May 06 19:56:45 <jps>	tommorris: move to Cambridge, that seems to be the best part of England at least as far as the Ph.D.s you send us
May 06 19:56:52 <Ironholds>	and there's no need to be mean - I quite like some tories
May 06 19:57:12 <Qcoder00>	jps: But you have to send people that steal cable to jail , otherwise EVRYBODY would - There has to be a a detterent
May 06 19:57:23 <jps>	what is the negative approach to human rights?
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May 06 19:57:42 <killiondude>	human lefts
May 06 19:58:10 <Ironholds>	jps: the so-called civil liberties approach; that we have the negative system of "whatever is not forbidden is permitted", and reform to increase freedoms should be nothing more than repealing the law which forbids [action
May 06 19:58:12 <Ironholds>	*]
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May 06 19:58:30 <killiondude>	oh my.
May 06 19:58:45 <Dusti>	Is anyone able to get http://www.coolcolorscosmetics.com/administrator to load for them?
May 06 19:59:07 <Ironholds>	the positive approach, on the other hand, is "human rights" - that rights should not simply exist as a legislative void but instead be actively recognised and, indeed, entrenched
May 06 19:59:22 <Ironholds>	Dusti: yup
May 06 19:59:26 <jps>	Do labour and the lib dems permit less of whatever isn't forbidden?
May 06 19:59:28 <Dusti>	:s
May 06 19:59:34 <Dusti>	damn, it must be my ISP then
May 06 19:59:49 <tommorris>	Hmm. Not sure I agree that human rights/civil liberties boils down to actively legislated vs. legislative void
May 06 20:00:07 <Ironholds>	tommorris: the names are rather symbolic, don't you think?
May 06 20:00:14 <Ironholds>	although I'd be interested to hear your perspective
May 06 20:00:32 <tommorris>	I mean, take the US civil liberties tradition: that's encoded by a form of legislation, albeit ultimate legislation - namely the constitution
May 06 20:00:50 <Ironholds>	jps: not at all, on the lib dem front - it's more an approach that simply *not illegallising* say, free speech, isn't enough. You have to actively legislate to protect it
May 06 20:01:18 <tommorris>	but if, say, next week, it were found that some important protection like freedom of religion or whatever were actually not part of the constitution, you can bet legislation would be introduced to encode it
May 06 20:01:43 <Ironholds>	which is a human rights approach
May 06 20:02:13 <tommorris>	but the concept of human rights seems to be about setting up positive liberties as well
May 06 20:02:15 <Ironholds>	tommorris: if you want to define it as a distinction between who gets access to the rights, the US is a poor example to pick
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May 06 20:02:42 <Ironholds>	actually I don't think they'd be able to get freedom of religion in these days
May 06 20:02:48 <jps>	it's the same all over the world:  oligarchs pay politicians to appeal to the conservative xenophobes and religious, and then demand tax cuts.  So what if little things like public higher education have to be jettisoned
May 06 20:02:59 <tommorris>	no, I'm saying that the concept of human rights is different from civil liberties in more ways than just deliberative or formal legal ways
May 06 20:03:10 <Ironholds>	tommorris: okay, define the two?
May 06 20:03:56 <tommorris>	I'd say that roughly civil liberties is negative liberties encoded by specifying areas where the government may not tread
May 06 20:04:07 <jps>	what legislation have the tories passed to protect free speech?
May 06 20:04:23 <Ironholds>	jps: that'd be positive freedoms, not negative ones. they like negative ones.
May 06 20:04:23 <tommorris>	wheras human rights is negative AND positive liberties in the Berlin sense, implemented in whatever way works
May 06 20:04:41 <jps>	are you serious?
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May 06 20:05:08 <Ironholds>	jps: although the draft bill in parliament at the moment, while not a PROTECTION, is a step forward
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May 06 20:05:15 <Ironholds>	tommorris: makes sense. Of course, the actual distinction is mainly of application
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May 06 20:05:59 <tommorris>	so, for instance, the ECHR Protocol 1 Article 2 right to education is something which makes no sense under a classic civil liberties system
May 06 20:06:00 <jps>	are you talking about strengthening the defense in libel cases?
May 06 20:07:00 <Ironholds>	jps: actually it doesn't really strengthen the defence effectively so much as it weakens the claimant
May 06 20:07:02 <Ironholds>	but yes
May 06 20:07:35 <jps>	Sure it does, tommorris, Bentham and the utilitarians would agree that the average person is more free when most people have the benefit of an education.  An uneducated person is measurably less free to engage in trade and commerce, gain employment, etc
May 06 20:07:37 <Ironholds>	the major changes don't add anything significant to the defence's position, but they severely limit the claimants. best way to do it, imo.
May 06 20:07:57 <tommorris>	ooh, have the libel reform changes been published?
May 06 20:08:03 <Ironholds>	tommorris: you didn't see it?
May 06 20:08:08 <tommorris>	nay
May 06 20:08:18 <Ironholds>	I wrote a blog post on it a while back, but to summarise - no more libel tourism, no automatic right to a jury
May 06 20:08:22 <Ironholds>	aaand that's..really about it.
May 06 20:08:26 <tommorris>	booo!
May 06 20:08:28 <tommorris>	that's not enough!
May 06 20:08:30 <Ironholds>	it didn't even reverse the burden of proof
May 06 20:08:32 <Ironholds>	seriously
May 06 20:08:48 *	tommorris adds "write angry letter to MP" to to-do list
May 06 20:08:49 <Ironholds>	oh, also, they changed the name of the honesty defence
May 06 20:08:53 *	FAdmArcher|away is now known as FAdmArcher
May 06 20:08:54 <ZT>	that's a so-called "approved article" of CZ http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Altmeyer what a joke
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May 06 20:09:02 <Ironholds>	tommorris: that reminds me to write to Ken Clarke
May 06 20:09:35 <tommorris>	ZT: the problem is nobody quite knows what approval on CZ means
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May 06 20:09:48 <tommorris>	It can mean either
May 06 20:09:54 <tommorris>	1. a bit like featured article status
May 06 20:09:56 <tommorris>	or
May 06 20:10:10 <tommorris>	2. there's nothing factually inaccurate about this article so we are sealing it at this point.
May 06 20:10:46 <tommorris>	the fact that nobody seemed able to grok this distinction is one of the main reasons I'm not very involved in CZ any more ;-)
May 06 20:11:06 <tommorris>	that and the fact that Homeopathy is an approved article
May 06 20:11:30 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 20:11:44 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris, i want to see you tear it down from the inside and rebuild it as something functional
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May 06 20:12:01 <tommorris>	not gonna happen
May 06 20:12:11 <Fluffernutter>	but oh, it would be delicious to watch
May 06 20:12:20 <tommorris>	I've got a few pine cones I'll stick up my rectum before I go anywhere near Citizendim management
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May 06 20:12:36 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 20:12:36 <ZT>	tommorris: Homeopathy can't be worse than http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Doom_(video_game)
May 06 20:12:38 *	Pesky bids all and sundry goodnight and slinks off to den
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May 06 20:13:02 <tommorris>	nah, that's alright
May 06 20:13:22 <tommorris>	it doesn't contain blatant factual inaccuracies introduced by a POV troll who had previously been banned from Wikipedia
May 06 20:13:48 <ZT>	hah
May 06 20:14:38 <Fluffernutter>	do our pseudoscience trolls come over to you guys often?
May 06 20:14:46 <tommorris>	all the fucking time
May 06 20:14:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	hm
May 06 20:14:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	do *we* have an article on Altmeyer?
May 06 20:15:21 <ZT>	yeah, but it has no photos
May 06 20:15:23 <tommorris>	to the point that someone on WP actually suggested at one point of *actively* referring pseudoscience cranks to CZ.
May 06 20:15:54 <Fluffernutter>	heh
May 06 20:16:00 <Fluffernutter>	better CZ than us
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May 06 20:16:07 <tommorris>	which, by the way, if you want to destroy CZ, block a bunch of pseudoscience POV pushers and revert warriors, and tell them that CZ wants their contributions
May 06 20:16:14 <killiondude>	chatzilla?
May 06 20:16:18 <tommorris>	Citizendium
May 06 20:16:22 <killiondude>	ah.
May 06 20:16:34 <Fluffernutter>	killiondude, get a-blockin'
May 06 20:17:01 <killiondude>	o;
May 06 20:17:54 <ZT>	so when will CZ get shut down?
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May 06 20:18:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	when they run out of money
May 06 20:18:42 <Fluffernutter>	hm, can we send abd to CZ?
May 06 20:18:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, [[file:Sdf.JPG]] - it's a woman on a bench in Paris. I have no idea why it's called  "SDF". Anyone?
May 06 20:19:31 <Fluffernutter>	[something something] femme, perhaps?
May 06 20:19:47 <tommorris>	running out of money: that'll probably be in September
May 06 20:20:10 <killiondude>	Scouts de France, a Scouting association in France ?
May 06 20:21:59 <topaz>	"sans domicile fixe"?
May 06 20:22:19 <tommorris>	[[WP:PORNBIO]]? (Reading ANI)
May 06 20:22:30 <topaz>	http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_domicile_fixe
May 06 20:22:47 <topaz>	appears to be a French acronym for "homeless"
May 06 20:22:49 <killiondude>	she doesn't look homeless
May 06 20:22:53 <tommorris>	PORNBIO is snuggled in neatly between ENTERTAINER and POLITICIAN
May 06 20:23:05 <Fluffernutter>	"snuggled"
May 06 20:23:17 *	tommorris has been Huggling
May 06 20:23:22 <tommorris>	the term is infectious
May 06 20:23:50 <Fluffernutter>	you've been huggling and playing with PORNBIO, have you? perhaps it's time to see your doctor for some testing...
May 06 20:23:53 <ZT>	tommorris: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Donate
May 06 20:23:55 <Dragonfly6-7>	topaz - ah, very good
May 06 20:23:57 <topaz>	killiondude: the uploader supplied the file with the comment "sdf paris". when I google that term, I get a *lot* of pages about being homeless in Paris.
May 06 20:24:11 <killiondude>	Sure. But the person in the picture doesn't look homeless.
May 06 20:24:17 <topaz>	I'm not saying that the person in the photo is homeless, I'm saying I think that's what the person who uploaded it intended.
May 06 20:24:19 <killiondude>	They very well could be.
May 06 20:24:32 <tommorris>	ZT: ah, November
May 06 20:24:34 <tommorris>	that's good to know
May 06 20:24:37 <killiondude>	topaz: I'm not disagreeing with you!
May 06 20:24:48 <tommorris>	I can start backing it up again in October
May 06 20:24:52 <topaz>	:-)
May 06 20:25:31 <Fluffernutter>	does CZ have any content that we would actually want to absorb? and is it under a compatible license?
May 06 20:25:53 <tommorris>	not sure. yes.
May 06 20:26:17 <tommorris>	the stuff which is sourced from Wikipedia is GFDL while the home-grown stuff is CC BY-SA 3.0
May 06 20:26:31 <killiondude>	speaking of sans domicile, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRVeyvg2808
May 06 20:28:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	Fluffernutter-  well, their article on Altmeyer has some photos with sources that are good to pillage
May 06 20:28:49 <killiondude>	I think that's a Canadian production, if memory serves.
May 06 20:28:51 <ZT>	we can do better than that
May 06 20:29:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	ZT - sorry, you mean 'we can write better articles than Citizendium' , or...?
May 06 20:29:33 <tommorris>	Citizendium style is very different than WP.
May 06 20:29:48 <tommorris>	WP aims at being concise and sparse, while CZ tolerates wordiness more.
May 06 20:30:24 <ZT>	tommorris: yeah, but content(encyclopedic) value will always remain the same
May 06 20:30:45 <tommorris>	although as my main contribution to CZ is writing hundreds of very short stubs, it makes fuck all difference to me
May 06 20:31:13 <Fluffernutter>	yes, but hundreds!
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May 06 20:32:05 <tommorris>	Fluffernutter: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Tom_Morris/Archive_Page_List
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May 06 20:32:41 *	Fluffernutter has now created...i think four or five articles, if i count the one i rewrote last night
May 06 20:32:49 <Fluffernutter>	your wikidick, it is larger than mine :P
May 06 20:33:05 <Ironholds>	600
May 06 20:33:06 <Ironholds>	pwnd
May 06 20:33:22 <Tatsujin>	Wallstreet journal launches wikileaks comeptitor, "soo much better dudes!": "we reserve the right to disclose any information about you to law enforcement authorities or to a requesting third party, without notice,"
May 06 20:33:41 <ZT>	tommorris: how do they verify their users' rl identity?
May 06 20:33:47 <Ironholds>	getting the toolserver to query "how many articles has Ironholds written" is great fun
May 06 20:33:50 <Ironholds>	it breaks.
May 06 20:33:59 <tommorris>	ZT: you list social networking profiles and a human looks at them, usually within 24h
May 06 20:34:15 <tommorris>	ZT: when I signed up, I pointed to my blog and Flickr account
May 06 20:35:24 <tommorris>	they also used to be tied into a site called BeVerified, where you paid a small amount on a credit card to verify your identity (but they gave it free for Citizendium users or something)
May 06 20:35:35 <Fluffernutter>	that seems skanky
May 06 20:35:43 <tommorris>	nay, it was all legit
May 06 20:36:02 <tommorris>	you could use one of those adult verification sites ;-)
May 06 20:36:08 <Guerillero>	lol
May 06 20:36:59 <ZT>	tommorris: so it's *too* easy to circumvent their flickr/fb verification system
May 06 20:37:06 <Ironholds>	tommorris: there's an infamous band of preserve thieves in my town
May 06 20:37:09 <tommorris>	also, to be a sysop, you've gotta have a degree and be over 25
May 06 20:37:15 <Fluffernutter>	yeah you could totally game the social network method
May 06 20:37:30 <tommorris>	basically, I think the method was like:
May 06 20:37:45 <tommorris>	1. sign up with a real-world e-mail address (rather than a free one) from an employer or university etc
May 06 20:37:59 <tommorris>	or 2. point to a bunch of sites that establish your RL identity
May 06 20:38:00 <tommorris>	it was flexible
May 06 20:38:17 <tommorris>	basically there's just a big text field where you specify who you are with links or whatever
May 06 20:38:21 <geniice>	yeah I could kinda have problems with both
May 06 20:38:42 *	Fluffernutter wonders if i'm unusual in not really having a "real-world" email, other than the one tied to my job which will disappear when i move on
May 06 20:38:53 *	tommorris has an academic e-mail address
May 06 20:39:08 *	Hedgehog456 has GMail
May 06 20:39:11 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 06 20:39:14 <Fluffernutter>	none of my schools let me keep an email address. or if they did, they hid it from me well
May 06 20:39:18 <Guerillero>	i have 5 emails
May 06 20:39:27 <Ironholds>	tommorris, you failed to pay attention to my setup line
May 06 20:39:29 <Hedgehog456>	I have 75.
May 06 20:39:30 *	Ironholds looks severe
May 06 20:39:38 <Fluffernutter>	i have like 6 gmails, plus a microsoft live and a yahoo
May 06 20:39:43 <Hedgehog456>	Beat that.
May 06 20:39:44 <Fluffernutter>	it's a bit unwieldy
May 06 20:39:55 <tommorris>	Ironholds: sorry for ruining your gag
May 06 20:40:00 <tommorris>	anyway, you going to pub on Sunday
May 06 20:40:10 <Ironholds>	tommorris: it's this sunday?
May 06 20:40:13 <tommorris>	think so
May 06 20:40:14 <Ironholds>	eh, may as well travel down if I can be arsed. sure.
May 06 20:40:21 <geniice>	there was a time when everyone and their dog ran their own email server. not these days
May 06 20:40:39 <Guerillero>	Hedgehog456: that many emains points to a troll
May 06 20:40:47 *	Dragonfly6-7 remembers reading the blog of the guy who owned DoNotReply.com
May 06 20:40:49 <tommorris>	those were the days when it was a serious pain in the ass to e-mail anyone because their mum had turned their server off to plug the iron in
May 06 20:40:55 <Ironholds>	thinking about it, naw, I won't bother
May 06 20:41:04 <Hedgehog456>	Guerillero: Nah, I just keep forgetting the passwords :P
May 06 20:41:05 <Fluffernutter>	lol tommorris
May 06 20:41:18 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456: lastpass?
May 06 20:41:27 <Hedgehog456>	WTF is that?
May 06 20:41:38 <Fluffernutter>	password-management
May 06 20:41:41 <Fluffernutter>	in the cloud
May 06 20:41:47 <Hedgehog456>	Bleh
May 06 20:41:50 <Hedgehog456>	I've never needed it
May 06 20:41:58 <Fluffernutter>	remember one master password for it, it remembers all the rest for you
May 06 20:42:08 <tommorris>	Ironholds: James_F is attending, and WereSpiels isn't. ;-)
May 06 20:42:44 <Hedgehog456>	Fluffernutter: I'm honestly offended by this stuff!
May 06 20:42:51 <Fluffernutter>	Hedgehog456, huh?
May 06 20:42:53 <Hedgehog456>	:
May 06 20:42:55 <Hedgehog456>	:D
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May 06 20:43:28 <Hedgehog456>	*mutter* thinks it can insult me... damn master passwords... since when has the cloud helped me?..*mutter*
May 06 20:43:38 <Ironholds>	tommorris: yeah, I'm trying to avoid James at the moment, thanks.
May 06 20:43:41 <Fluffernutter>	um, right
May 06 20:43:55 <Ironholds>	that's why I'm not going ;p
May 06 20:44:25 <tommorris>	why's that?
May 06 20:44:32 <tommorris>	actually, I probably don't want to know, right?
May 06 20:44:51 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I respect him, which means when he insults me, it damn hurts
May 06 20:45:10 <Ironholds>	and my many *many* headshrink-worthy issues ensure I need no help in the "wanting to top myself" department
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May 06 20:45:50 *	Dragonfly6-7 cues up "Wounded" by Dan Warren
May 06 20:46:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	"nothing I did / nothing I failed to do / you were broken / when I got to you / you're / wounded / permanently"
May 06 20:46:19 <Theo10011>	Aww did James hurt your itto-wittle feelings?
May 06 20:46:29 <Hedgehog456>	Damn you channel guidelines
May 06 20:46:34 <Fluffernutter>	shut up, Theo10011
May 06 20:46:43 <Hedgehog456>	I was going to bring a singing bot in here :(
May 06 20:46:48 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: if I ever meet you, I'm going to break your nose
May 06 20:46:55 <Theo10011>	ouch.
May 06 20:47:02 <Ironholds>	that's not what you'll say at the time
May 06 20:47:08 <Hedgehog456>	He's serious.
May 06 20:47:09 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 20:47:10 <Ironholds>	it'll be more a muffled "ewwch2
May 06 20:47:13 <Hedgehog456>	Trust me,
May 06 20:47:18 <Ironholds>	*"
May 06 20:47:25 <MuZemike>	We had a singing AFD in 2009's April Fools Day
May 06 20:47:26 <Theo10011>	ok ok.
May 06 20:47:39 <Hedgehog456>	Or "AAAAARRGGHHHHDAMMNNNNNHHHEEEELLLLPPPPPP"
May 06 20:47:53 <tommorris>	MuZemike: Link?
May 06 20:47:53 <ZT>	MuZemike: a "singing AFD"?
May 06 20:48:06 <Hedgehog456>	MuZemike: Link or ChanServ gets it.
May 06 20:48:10 <tommorris>	It'd be like Glee.
May 06 20:48:14 *	Hedgehog456 holds a knife to ChanServ
May 06 20:48:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	speaking of which, who wants to AfD that page about Fiction Set In 1976?
May 06 20:48:18 <Fluffernutter>	hah
May 06 20:48:23 <MuZemike>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Oscar_Mayer
May 06 20:48:25 *	Fluffernutter pictures a wikipedia-centered Glee episode
May 06 20:48:33 *	Hedgehog456 releases ChanServ
May 06 20:48:52 <tommorris>	"I just want to say... [bursts into song] Redirect and Merge!"
May 06 20:49:03 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh!
May 06 20:49:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	I just rememberd!
May 06 20:49:07 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I am the very model of a modern wikipedian
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May 06 20:49:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	when I was on OTRS, this band sent us a link to their Wikipedia song, and I saved the mp3
May 06 20:50:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	who wants me to put it up for downloads?
May 06 20:50:08 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: Mop! Glorious mop! I love you 'cause you can block guys!
May 06 20:50:13 <Theo10011>	there's been a couple of "Wikipedia" songs.
May 06 20:50:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's by a band called "One Horse Shy"
May 06 20:50:41 <Hedgehog456>	Dragonfly6-7: Yes or ChanServ gets it.
May 06 20:50:49 *	Hedgehog456 holds ChanServ hostage again
May 06 20:50:58 <tommorris>	"Give him the mop! We will not give him the mop! Give him the mop! We will not give him the mop! Give me the mop! We will not give you the mop! Ah, No, no, no, no, no, no, no."
May 06 20:51:06 <tommorris>	-- RfA to the tune of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody
May 06 20:51:07 *	Hedgehog456 forcefeeds chocolate to ChanServ
May 06 20:51:08 <Fluffernutter>	Ironholds, i discovered recently that one of my current favorite songs features Regina Spektor and i didn't realize it
May 06 20:51:20 <Theo10011>	Step away from ChanServ very slowly.
May 06 20:51:38 *	Hedgehog456 pours molten chocolate into ChanServ
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May 06 20:51:52 <Theo10011>	noo
May 06 20:51:54 <Ironholds>	Fluffernutter: have a banana
May 06 20:51:57 *	Hedgehog456 tells the drunken ChanServ to AKICK all operators
May 06 20:52:48 *	Hedgehog456 commands OperServ to K-line alis or ChanServ gets it
May 06 20:53:06 *	MuZemike would say something about having a few beers, but he can't drink for a bit
May 06 20:53:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	"there is a force in the universe / an omnipotent source of endless worth / it is totally exciting and you'll never get bored / it is Wikipedia dot org"
May 06 20:54:19 <Theo10011>	Lies!
May 06 20:54:37 <ZT>	that's so corny
May 06 20:55:13 <MuZemike>	The Internet?
May 06 20:55:36 *	Laura|Sleeps is now known as LauraHale
May 06 20:55:57 <geniice>	zee wikipedis song featuring a Ukulele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFxWhzJWJ4U
May 06 20:56:00 <tommorris>	I hereby pronounce that "Another One Bites The Dust" is the new official theme for [[WP:AFD]]
May 06 20:56:31 <MuZemike>	That was more appropriate for Bin Laden's death
May 06 20:56:53 <Narodnik>	http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/
May 06 20:57:13 <ZT>	how about "Thunderstruck"?
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May 06 20:57:22 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: does each department need its own theme song?
May 06 20:57:22 <Theo10011>	"Still alive" by GlaDOS
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May 06 20:57:42 <tommorris>	Still Alive is the theme for the ARS
May 06 20:57:52 <MuZemike>	It's "Articles for *deletion*", not "Articles for *keeping*"
May 06 20:58:55 <tommorris>	Creep by Radiohead is Wikipe-tan's theme tune
May 06 20:59:12 <geniice>	There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
May 06 20:59:14 <geniice>	'Cause you know sometimes free has two meanings.
May 06 20:59:36 <MuZemike>	The Smithsonian just released the list of video games that will be displayed there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Video_Games
May 06 20:59:38 <geniice>	which is why Stairway To Heaven fits for IFD
May 06 20:59:40 <Theo10011>	Stairway !?
May 06 20:59:46 *	Doc_glasgow (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Doc-glasgow) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 20:59:48 <MuZemike>	No Stairway! Denied!
May 06 21:00:28 <tommorris>	the Molly Lewis song is pretty funny: all this because someone didn't leave her a nice Welcome template with a plate of cookies. Welcoming Committee, get on it!
May 06 21:00:36 <MuZemike>	C'mon folks, give me some acknowledgement you heard that quote before.
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May 06 21:01:03 <Theo10011>	I'm still listening to Molly.
May 06 21:01:12 <MuZemike>	Wayne's World, people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1KqbDdmuE
May 06 21:01:15 <Fluffernutter>	MuZemike: dunno where it's from, but it made me think of the scene in Wayne's-yeah
May 06 21:01:17 <geniice>	In a tree by the brook, there's a penguin who sings,
May 06 21:01:18 <Fluffernutter>	go me
May 06 21:01:19 <geniice>	Sometimes all of our edits are deleted.
May 06 21:01:55 <MuZemike>	Always cracks me up that the store manager knows the first two notes to Stairway.
May 06 21:02:13 <geniice>	so can we invite Molly Lewis to wikimania ?
May 06 21:02:23 <tommorris>	that sounds like a great idea
May 06 21:02:28 <Theo10011>	heh
May 06 21:02:30 <tommorris>	is Wikimania being streamed this year?
May 06 21:02:35 <Fluffernutter>	you can inivite whoever you want, as long as they pay their own way and registration, i'd imagine
May 06 21:02:38 <MuZemike>	If that game show Name That Tune was still around, he'd win easily.
May 06 21:02:44 <Theo10011>	don't know if she would be up for traveling to Israel.
May 06 21:02:46 <tommorris>	because if it isn't, Cee-Lo's Fuck You starts playing
May 06 21:02:59 <MuZemike>	Store Manager: "I can name that tune in 2 notes!"
May 06 21:03:49 <Theo10011>	So who's going to Wikimania this year?
May 06 21:03:51 <geniice>	Fluffernutter you appear to have created a bunch of lists of moths in north america http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=Fluffernutter&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects
May 06 21:03:58 <MuZemike>	Where is it again?
May 06 21:04:03 <Fluffernutter>	geniice, those were splits of a massively long article
May 06 21:04:08 <Theo10011>	Haifa
May 06 21:04:16 <MuZemike>	Probably not
May 06 21:04:18 *	Doh5678 wonders how far the apprentice candidates have to walk to actually get to the place where they need to go
May 06 21:04:27 <Theo10011>	Anyone else!?
May 06 21:04:28 <tommorris>	oh, is Apprentice UK starting?
May 06 21:04:30 <Fluffernutter>	same with the other set of like five or six near-identical articles that show up for me
May 06 21:05:17 <Doh5678>	Tuesday
May 06 21:05:28 <geniice>	Fluffernutter otherwise just 4 articles
May 06 21:05:35 <geniice>	so za you were correct
May 06 21:05:41 <tommorris>	Seriously. Do they not teach the point of analogies in schools these days?
May 06 21:05:59 <tommorris>	"You aren't seriously saying those things are the same"
May 06 21:06:28 <tommorris>	No, I'm using an ANALOGY. You know, to illustrate that since there are things with property X and Y but NOT Z, that your contention that all X's are Z's is false.
May 06 21:06:37 <tommorris>	fuck you Internet. go take a logic class.
May 06 21:07:14 <MuZemike>	Yeah, take that, you stupid Internet!
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May 06 21:08:48 <tommorris>	also, when did Glee become something they cover on CNN?
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May 06 21:09:00 <MuZemike>	Oh, joy, an email from UPS (which I don't have an account for)!
May 06 21:09:10 <Fluffernutter>	tommorris: why is CNN talking about Glee? Don't tell me it's the homosexual agenda again
May 06 21:09:19 <MuZemike>	"Dear customer. The parcel was  sent your home address! And it will arrive within 5 business day. More  information  and  the  traching number  are attached   in document below!"
May 06 21:09:27 <topaz>	homosexual agenda? *perk*
May 06 21:09:31 <tommorris>	I was leaked a copy of the homosexual agenda:
May 06 21:09:37 <tommorris>	9:00 Being nice to people
May 06 21:09:40 <tommorris>	10:00 Love
May 06 21:09:47 <tommorris>	11:00 Happiness
May 06 21:09:54 <tommorris>	12:00 Companionship
May 06 21:09:55 <Fluffernutter>	topaz: Fox news recently did a segment talking about how Kurt being gay and accepted is just recruitment propaganda for teh ghey
May 06 21:10:10 <topaz>	Kurt?  oh, Glee, right.
May 06 21:10:25 <Ironholds>	tommorris: 13:00 Evian
May 06 21:10:26 <geniice>	Fluffernutter if that was the case they would make batman gay
May 06 21:10:37 <tommorris>	yes, because the kids watching Glee are COMPLETELY HETEROSEXUAL.
May 06 21:10:43 <Fluffernutter>	geniice batman is totally gay
May 06 21:10:51 <Theo10011>	lol
May 06 21:11:02 <Ironholds>	tommorris: some are
May 06 21:11:02 <Theo10011>	Adam west series was.
May 06 21:11:04 <Ironholds>	they're called girls
May 06 21:11:06 <geniice>	catwoman would beg to differ
May 06 21:11:18 *	Peter-C licks Ironholds
May 06 21:11:25 *	Tanvir is now known as bare|sleep
May 06 21:12:06 <geniice>	at the bottem of the barrel of wikipedia songs
May 06 21:12:08 <geniice>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Vv409r_2E
May 06 21:12:24 <tommorris>	Ironholds: that's fine, under Fox News logic, if they go lesbian, that's fine so long as they do videos for straight guys.
May 06 21:12:34 <tommorris>	it's only a problem if they join the roving lesbian biker gangs
May 06 21:12:41 *	Fluffernutter glares at tommorris
May 06 21:12:53 <Fluffernutter>	careful or my roving lesbian biker gang is going to show up at your door
May 06 21:13:00 <topaz>	wave your cane some more, baby.
May 06 21:13:11 <Qcoder00>	Lesbians on motorcycles?
May 06 21:13:14 *	Fluffernutter shakes her cane at topaz obligingly
May 06 21:13:17 <MuZemike>	Oops, http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-frying-pan-fail.gif
May 06 21:13:27 <Theo10011>	geniice: that's just two drunk girls trying to rhyme.
May 06 21:13:39 <Qcoder00>	I thought lesbians rode pedal cycles and dunagrees ? XD
May 06 21:13:49 <tommorris>	the lesbian gangs thing explained: http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-07-12/news/17251322_1_lesbian-seven-lesbian-gangs-bill-o-reilly
May 06 21:13:49 <Qcoder00>	(Sorry old Britsh sterotype.... :( )
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May 06 21:15:20 <geniice>	I have to wounder how many guys would be prepared to admit being attacked by a lesbian gang
May 06 21:15:33 <Qcoder00>	Depends on how deviant they were?
May 06 21:15:34 <Theo10011>	lol I so would.
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May 06 21:17:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	and if they cut you
May 06 21:17:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	or used lit cigarettes on you
May 06 21:17:33 <Qcoder00>	I mean how many blokes would admit things got out of hand when the let thier partner tie them up?
May 06 21:17:33 <Dragonfly6-7>	or stole your wallet
May 06 21:17:43 <Qcoder00>	*they
May 06 21:18:25 *	requin (~rooms@214-250.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 21:19:17 <KimiNewt>	cutting people, cigarettes and tying up partners
May 06 21:19:21 <KimiNewt>	what ever have I walked into
May 06 21:19:38 <Theo10011>	you missed lesbian biker gangs.
May 06 21:19:55 <topaz>	we all miss lesbian biker gangs.
May 06 21:20:11 <KimiNewt>	I've never met a lesbian biker gang
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May 06 21:21:01 <tommorris>	the Professor of New Testament studies at my university is a lesbian with a moustache who wears a lot of leather and lives in a caravan.
May 06 21:21:09 <Gfoley4>	:O
May 06 21:21:17 <tommorris>	despite all this, the Catholic Church still tolerate her teaching their trainees
May 06 21:21:24 <KimiNewt>	she also owns a penguin
May 06 21:21:29 <KimiNewt>	and is an aztec
May 06 21:21:37 <Ironholds>	tommorris: well, doesn't like cock. that's better than most of their bloody priests
May 06 21:21:48 <topaz>	yeah, what he said.
May 06 21:21:54 <KimiNewt>	and their non-bloody priests, too
May 06 21:22:09 <topaz>	maybe the local parish is coming to admit that she's an improvement over the status quo.
May 06 21:22:15 <Ironholds>	when I am Lord Protector of Earth there shall be no non-bloody priests
May 06 21:22:24 <KimiNewt>	I love the status quo
May 06 21:22:28 <Ironholds>	my timetable consists of the following
May 06 21:22:31 <Ironholds>	day 1: party
May 06 21:22:33 <KimiNewt>	Your title sounds stupid andI hate you
May 06 21:22:37 <Ironholds>	day 2: donate half the treasury to the WMF
May 06 21:22:42 <Ironholds>	day 3: keep the other half
May 06 21:22:45 <Ironholds>	day 4: resign
May 06 21:22:54 <KimiNewt>	are those weekly events
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May 06 21:23:01 <KimiNewt>	earth is probably in major debts
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May 06 21:23:32 <tommorris>	hold on, if I was supreme ruler of the universe, I'd at the very least persecute some religious minorities.
May 06 21:23:37 <Theo10011>	Ironholds: WMF or WMFUK?
May 06 21:23:44 <tommorris>	WMF
May 06 21:23:50 <tommorris>	I can read Ironholds mind on that one
May 06 21:23:51 <Hedgehog456>	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cell_phone_in_microwave.gif Eww
May 06 21:24:45 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: the WMF is not the blind leading the blind
May 06 21:24:49 <tommorris>	I'd pass a law making it murder for Jehovah's Witnesses to deny their kids blood transfusions and to be officially declared by the state to be Quite Stupid for doing so in the past.
May 06 21:24:50 <Ironholds>	it dreams of being that good
May 06 21:25:01 <Ironholds>	it is the deaf mutes leading the failed MBA students
May 06 21:25:11 <topaz>	yow.
May 06 21:25:18 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I also want to have all mime artists subject to ironic punishment
May 06 21:25:22 <Ironholds>	specifically, being drenched in acid
May 06 21:25:38 <tommorris>	You've got to lock them up in a real glass box before drenching them in acid
May 06 21:25:54 <Theo10011>	I'm still lol-ing over the WMF description.
May 06 21:26:02 <Ironholds>	tommorris: no, just the acid
May 06 21:26:09 <Ironholds>	Theo10011: sorry, WMUK
May 06 21:26:09 <tommorris>	no, that's a description of WMUK I think
May 06 21:26:12 <Ironholds>	the WMF is pretty good
May 06 21:26:15 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  You'd pass a law that made it a crime to deny your kids medical treatment ?
May 06 21:26:19 <Ironholds>	I mean, I have some issues with it
May 06 21:26:20 <Theo10011>	lol
May 06 21:26:22 <Theo10011>	even better
May 06 21:26:31 <Ironholds>	for example, why are all the attractive female employees not sleeping with me?
May 06 21:26:34 <Theo10011>	I'm all for persecuting mimes.
May 06 21:26:34 <Ironholds>	but other than that,e h
May 06 21:26:39 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: no, I'd make it a crime to deny kids medial treatment for fucking stupid reasons
May 06 21:26:49 <tommorris>	like "God doesn't want you to have a blood transfusion" - that's a stupid reason
May 06 21:27:16 <Hedgehog456>	or "I want you to /die/ and meet God in Heaven"
May 06 21:27:26 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: says the bible-thumper
May 06 21:27:41 <Qcoder00>	But don't people have a right to hold  faith based viewpoints?
May 06 21:27:48 <Hedgehog456>	^
May 06 21:27:53 <tommorris>	yes, but they don't have the right to kill their kids as a result of their idiotic ideas
May 06 21:27:58 <Qcoder00>	>> ##politics exists ...
May 06 21:27:59 *	Hedgehog456 bashes Ironholds with a Bible
May 06 21:28:11 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: yes, they do, but they don't have the right to make rational judgments for the health of other people based on them
May 06 21:28:12 <Hedgehog456>	##politics doesn't exist.
May 06 21:28:17 <Hedgehog456>	It's all a lie.
May 06 21:28:20 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: AIDS exists also, but I don't want it.
May 06 21:28:28 <Ironholds>	tommorris: they're about the same
May 06 21:28:44 <Ironholds>	##politics and AIDS are both horrific diseases which curtail your sex life and inevitably lead to death
May 06 21:29:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1263097742_ba7588e9fd.jpg
May 06 21:29:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	what is this ?
May 06 21:29:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	without looking
May 06 21:29:32 <Hedgehog456>	A decapitated Medieval crusader
May 06 21:29:34 <Qcoder00>	Is it Work-Safe?
May 06 21:29:36 <Hedgehog456>	A Hedgehog
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May 06 21:29:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's worksafe, yes
May 06 21:29:44 <KimiNewt>	a picture of barium
May 06 21:30:09 <KimiNewt>	in a very long catalogue of barium pictures
May 06 21:30:11 <Hedgehog456>	Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
May 06 21:30:13 <Qcoder00>	BTW I am suprised no-ones asked if WikiLeaks has the OBL  killing gloat pictures yet
May 06 21:30:14 <Ironholds>	jesus
May 06 21:30:26 <KimiNewt>	indexed in hexadecimal base
May 06 21:30:45 <Ironholds>	the headless corpse of richard nixon dressed in a french maid's uniform being daisy-chained by every surviving US presidential candidate.
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May 06 21:31:14 <Ironholds>	well, that killed things
May 06 21:31:20 <Ironholds>	my work here is done
May 06 21:31:20 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: You make me feel like I've died and gone to heaven.
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May 06 21:31:33 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: if heaven exists, I'm thankfully not going to it
May 06 21:31:37 <Ironholds>	so that's a big difference
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May 06 21:31:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Crocodile-related_warning_signs
May 06 21:31:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:III_Meeting_of_Fans_of_the_TV_series_%27M_jak_mi%C5%82o%C5%9B%C4%87%27_in_Gdynia_2009
May 06 21:32:30 <topaz>	WTF.
May 06 21:32:37 <Dragonfly6-7>	137 photos
May 06 21:32:53 <topaz>	just add that 1263097742_ba7588e9fd.jpg to that category.
May 06 21:32:55 <topaz>	no one will ever notice.
May 06 21:32:59 <killiondude>	Don't you dare try to say those are outside their project's scope.
May 06 21:33:07 <tommorris>	Crocodile-related warning sings < Bear-related warning signs
May 06 21:33:08 <killiondude>	they are pictures and are freely licensed!
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May 06 21:33:52 <Hedgehog456>	Without looking
May 06 21:33:58 <Hedgehog456>	Guess what this is
May 06 21:33:58 <Ironholds>	killiondude: I have some of those of your mother
May 06 21:33:59 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ENC_8-0899.jpg
May 06 21:34:10 <tommorris>	you've all seen the best album cover ever designed, right? http://mlkshk.com/r/Q79
May 06 21:34:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	Hedgehog456 - a kitchen appliance
May 06 21:34:19 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: page899 of volume 8 of encarta?
May 06 21:34:31 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: Yes
May 06 21:34:34 <Ironholds>	or "an encyclopedia"?
May 06 21:34:40 <Ironholds>	the name kinda gave it away
May 06 21:35:07 <Hedgehog456>	What about this?
May 06 21:35:08 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:12345.jpg
May 06 21:35:27 <Dragonfly6-7>	the numbers 12345?
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May 06 21:35:41 <Theo10011_>	wtf is that?
May 06 21:36:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's an actor
May 06 21:36:07 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ekimov
May 06 21:36:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	his name is Ekimov
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May 06 21:36:15 <Hedgehog456>	You looked ;(
May 06 21:36:28 *	Theo10011_ is now known as Theo10011
May 06 21:36:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	source - Family Album
May 06 21:36:45 <Hedgehog456>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5688.JPG
May 06 21:37:36 <Guerillero>	I wish I knew where to move them to
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May 06 21:38:45 <Dragonfly6-7>	Guerillero - for a while I was moving such files to better names, and then MGA73 decided he didn't like my pagemoves so he removed that userright
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May 06 21:38:58 <Theo10011>	Hey StevenW
May 06 21:39:08 <Ironholds>	hey StevenW
May 06 21:39:23 <StevenW>	Hey dudes
May 06 21:39:23 <Ironholds>	I am replying to your email tomorrow morning - I've had 3 exams or presentations in 2 days. Bit knackered ;p
May 06 21:39:30 <StevenW>	No worries.
May 06 21:39:31 <StevenW>	:)
May 06 21:39:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	without looking, what do you think  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:10000.png   is?
May 06 21:39:53 <topaz>	a crocodile-related warning sign!
May 06 21:39:54 <Ironholds>	the number 10,000?
May 06 21:40:02 <Ironholds>	10,000 pngs, whatever they are?
May 06 21:40:06 <tommorris>	Look, we get it, stick a {{rename media}} template on it and be done with it
May 06 21:40:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	it is in fact the number 10,000
May 06 21:40:17 <topaz>	a meeting of 10,000 fans of the TV series M jak micobd in Gdynia!
May 06 21:40:21 <StevenW>	what do you want it renamed to?
May 06 21:40:38 <Theo10011>	Category: random numbers that have nothing to do with the content.
May 06 21:41:22 <Theo10011>	StevenW its in a series of pics which have no relation to the file name.
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May 06 21:41:50 <geniice>	this promises to be interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13317076
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May 06 21:42:12 <nonawno>	hai
May 06 21:42:20 <topaz>	very weird: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:10000.png shows the {{rename}} request, but http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golden_number_10000.png does not.
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May 06 21:43:25 <topaz>	although now that I'm logged in neither page shows me the {{rename}}. whatever.  I'm so done with Commons flakiness.
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May 06 21:45:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Solar_still#Steps]] - sigh
May 06 21:45:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	topaz - that's because I renamed 10000.png to Golden Number 10000.png
May 06 21:45:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	and MGA73 got pissed off at me for it, and removed my filemover rights
May 06 21:45:53 <KimiNewt>	you BASTARD
May 06 21:46:05 <Gayinthebutt>	you BASTARD
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May 06 21:47:12 <killiondude>	Gayinthebutt: who might you be?
May 06 21:47:22 <topaz>	Dragonfly6-7: what I find interesting is that Commons was showing me two different versions of the page depending on whether I looked at the canonical filename or the redirect.
May 06 21:47:28 <Gayinthebutt>	a BASTARD
May 06 21:47:35 <Gayinthebutt>	just a lurker really
May 06 21:47:38 <Gayinthebutt>	leave me be
May 06 21:47:47 *	Gayinthebutt claws
May 06 21:47:58 <KimiNewt>	offensive name
May 06 21:48:01 <petan>	Gayinthebutt: please be civil in here
May 06 21:48:13 <petan>	change of nick would do...
May 06 21:48:13 <KimiNewt>	so people are assuming you're a troll
May 06 21:48:30 <Gayinthebutt>	sorry but the other channel i am in-f
May 06 21:48:33 <Gayinthebutt>	eh
May 06 21:48:35 <Gayinthebutt>	fine
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May 06 21:48:45 <KimiNewt>	well
May 06 21:48:47 <KimiNewt>	that was civil.
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May 06 21:53:47 <KimiNewt>	man
May 06 21:53:53 <Fluffernutter>	woman
May 06 21:53:54 <KimiNewt>	languages that use different bases for counting
May 06 21:53:56 <KimiNewt>	such a weird concept
May 06 21:53:59 <KimiNewt>	yet cool
May 06 21:54:12 <killiondude>	alyxuk? is that you?
May 06 21:54:27 <alyxuk>	is what me
May 06 21:54:57 <geniice>	KimiNewt yeah these non hexadecimal bases systems are so wierd
May 06 21:55:08 <KimiNewt>	right
May 06 21:55:26 <KimiNewt>	apparently babylonians used base 60
May 06 21:55:49 <geniice>	so did the eygptians I think
May 06 21:55:55 <geniice>	There are only 10 types of people in the world those who understand ternary, those who don't, and those who mistake it for
May 06 21:55:59 <geniice>	biniary
May 06 21:56:13 <alyxuk>	Ironholds: i vote we kill all the no voters, you with me?
May 06 21:56:28 <geniice>	that would be excessive
May 06 21:56:35 <KimiNewt>	When I was in my course
May 06 21:56:37 <KimiNewt>	army course
May 06 21:56:44 <KimiNewt>	we'd have workouts twice a week
May 06 21:56:51 <Ironholds>	alyxuk: no
May 06 21:57:02 <KimiNewt>	and we did all our counting of things in hexa
May 06 21:57:14 <Ironholds>	just because I fundamentally refuse to engage in a killing spree which includes you as a perpetrator rather than a victim
May 06 21:57:15 <KimiNewt>	and sometimes in binary if there wasn't too much of it
May 06 21:57:22 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal
May 06 21:57:34 <KimiNewt>	Yes, that's the article I was looking at.
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May 06 22:02:31 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: aww. I wanted AV. We must avenge the Yes campaign.
May 06 22:02:31 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 06 22:02:33 <Fluffernutter>	oh, so i'm just an instrument to you people, eh?
May 06 22:02:41 *	Fluffernutter exacts a bloody snugglevenge
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May 06 22:02:47 <Gfoley4>	;o
May 06 22:03:09 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Fluffernutter tightly
May 06 22:03:36 *	LauraHale huggles Hedgehog456  and Fluffernutter
May 06 22:03:41 <LauraHale>	Good morning.
May 06 22:03:47 <LauraHale>	The sky has not fallen in the future.
May 06 22:03:57 *	Hedgehog456 huggles LauraHale tightly
May 06 22:04:00 <Hedgehog456>	Excellent...
May 06 22:04:04 <LauraHale>	:D
May 06 22:04:09 *	Hedgehog456 goes forward in time in his TARDIS
May 06 22:04:17 *	Hedgehog456 pushes the sky over
May 06 22:04:22 <LauraHale>	It may be chilly and you may not see any roos today.
May 06 22:04:23 *	Hedgehog456 returns
May 06 22:04:26 <LauraHale>	Or tomorrow depending on where you live
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May 06 22:04:35 *	LauraHale puts the sky back where it belongs.
May 06 22:04:38 <Hedgehog456>	http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/epic-fail-photos-frying-pan-fail.gif
May 06 22:04:42 <LauraHale>	No pushing over the sky.
May 06 22:04:47 <Hedgehog456>	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cell_phone_in_microwave.gif
May 06 22:05:02 <Hedgehog456>	Both safe for work ;)
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May 06 22:12:53 <Hedgehog456>	"Unexpected weight in baggage area. Please wait for assistance."
May 06 22:13:41 <PeterSymonds>	Sounds like self-service checkout.
May 06 22:13:56 <killiondude>	Your call is important to us, please hold.
May 06 22:14:56 <Hedgehog456>	"Requires identification."
May 06 22:15:30 <Hedgehog456>	"Checkout 4 requires assistance, assistance for Checkout 4, assistance for Checkout 4, assistance for Checkout 4."
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May 06 22:27:05 <Doh5678>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Evil_For_Jail.  What CSD is this?
May 06 22:27:25 <MacMed>	A1: no context
May 06 22:27:30 <Hedgehog456>	CSD0
May 06 22:27:34 <Hedgehog456>	G0
May 06 22:27:42 <Hedgehog456>	It's already been deleted
May 06 22:27:45 <MacMed>	yep
May 06 22:28:22 <MacMed>	is there a page to see recently uploaded files
May 06 22:28:27 <Hedgehog456>	G0 aka GFail aka Hedgy's Law
May 06 22:28:54 <MacMed>	nm: found upload log
May 06 22:29:27 <Tatsujin>	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/05/06/122233/A-25-PC-On-a-USB-Stick
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May 06 22:32:16 <Gfoley4>	MacMed: Special:NewFiles is better
May 06 22:32:25 <MacMed>	thanks gfoley
May 06 22:32:27 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 06 22:32:40 <MacMed>	<
May 06 22:32:41 <MacMed>	3
May 06 22:32:42 <KimiNewt>	That's cool Tatsujin
May 06 22:32:43 <MacMed>	fail
May 06 22:32:55 <KimiNewt>	but for "every child"
May 06 22:32:59 *	Ironholds has quit ()
May 06 22:33:04 <KimiNewt>	that's a bit odd, because while a keyboard is easy enough to get
May 06 22:33:10 <KimiNewt>	how about a monitor with an HDMI input
May 06 22:33:45 <KimiNewt>	and I don't see how that in particular would familiarise kids with programming and the like
May 06 22:33:50 <KimiNewt>	only because it runs linux?
May 06 22:34:58 <tommorris>	just did something very clever in Python, but had no idea how I did it. That's a recurring theme for me. ;-)
May 06 22:35:10 <KimiNewt>	That's because it's Python
May 06 22:35:18 <KimiNewt>	It's not very clever if you can't understand it
May 06 22:38:30 <Hedgehog456>	Python is weird
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May 06 22:38:42 <KimiNewt>	you mother is weird
May 06 22:38:58 <KimiNewt>	it's just english and some tabs
May 06 22:39:00 <Hedgehog456>	I'm not a mother
May 06 22:39:08 <Hedgehog456>	I'm clearly male
May 06 22:39:29 <Hedgehog456>	KimiNewt: If you think that... you've never truly tried to program a quiz in it
May 06 22:39:52 <Hedgehog456>	I remember that day vividly
May 06 22:40:10 <tommorris>	it all sort of works, but because I have no idea of the underlying logic of it.
May 06 22:40:33 <KimiNewt>	I've programmed things slightly more complex than quizes
May 06 22:40:40 <tommorris>	it is protecting me from my own brain ;-)
May 06 22:40:50 <tommorris>	this is probably a good thing
May 06 22:41:17 <tommorris>	enforced simplicity is a nice feeling
May 06 22:41:38 <tommorris>	it's just a bit weird to be using an iterator to turn an iterator into an iterator
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May 06 22:47:36 <geniice>	where there are tales of mob violence, looting and cats sporting opposition colours.
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May 06 22:50:27 <tommorris>	IRCers, if you are bored, there's a huge backlog on [[WP:AFC]]
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May 06 22:50:55 <Hedgehog456>	Tomorrow
May 06 22:51:04 <Hedgehog456>	I will become a Great Wikipedian
May 06 22:51:23 <Hedgehog456>	And proclaim 'FAB, GUYS' to the masses
May 06 22:51:32 <Hedgehog456>	And that is the word of the Hedgehog
May 06 22:54:25 <KimiNewt>	you're a bit of an idiot
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May 06 22:57:39 <Hedgehog456>	And if you believed that you'd believe anything
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May 06 22:59:50 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
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May 06 23:14:17 <lfaraone>	Is http://www.ksplice.com/images/ksplice-trans.png usable on Wikipedia under fair use, or is it non-copyrightable?
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May 06 23:16:03 <foks>	A friend has literally spelled a word "HALEPINGNOS"
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May 06 23:16:36 <foks>	lfaraone, I'd probably say non-copyrightable
May 06 23:17:13 <lfaraone>	mk. Otoh, I'm going to be interning there, so I proooobably don't want to post to commons with a note "ineligable for copyright".
May 06 23:17:25 <lfaraone>	foks: ^^ upon further reflection.
May 06 23:17:40 <foks>	...Come again?
May 06 23:17:50 <foks>	Oh, "otoh" = on the other hand?
May 06 23:18:07 <lfaraone>	right.
May 06 23:18:13 <foks>	and "interning" = gaining work experience
May 06 23:18:15 <foks>	COOL
May 06 23:18:44 <foks>	So, yeah, fair-use it.
May 06 23:18:46 <foks>	:3
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May 06 23:25:41 <milo_went>	i saw the article on the middleton dog was deleted.  OH THE HORROR.
May 06 23:26:12 <killiondude>	RIP.
May 06 23:27:14 <foks>	cool beans dood
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May 06 23:29:49 <darkoneko>	zzz
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May 06 23:32:02 <killiondude>	thehelpfulone ON WHEELS!
May 06 23:32:10 <Thehelpfulone>	:O
May 06 23:33:10 <killiondude>	have you, sir, ever been on wheels?
May 06 23:34:25 <Thehelpfulone>	I got blocked once because a script thought I was trying to HAGGER??? a page ;)
May 06 23:34:41 <PeterSymonds>	You probably were.
May 06 23:35:11 <Thehelpfulone>	slakr can vouch for me ;)
May 06 23:36:52 <geniice>	Brian David Josephson edits? damn
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May 06 23:40:15 <Randomguy83>	i liek cheese ;)
May 06 23:40:24 <Randomguy83>	damn.
May 06 23:40:41 <Randomguy83>	vandals seem to be sleeping right now
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May 06 23:40:57 <Gfoley4>	?
May 06 23:41:18 <Logan_>	¿
May 06 23:41:36 <Randomguy83>	¿existo?
May 06 23:41:48 <Logan_>	pienso que sí
May 06 23:42:04 <milo_went>	Is your TV gay?  inquriing minds want to know.
May 06 23:42:05 <milo_went>	http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/110426-is-tv-too-gay
May 06 23:42:50 <milo_went>	fox hating on fox.  fun fun fun fun.
May 06 23:43:29 <Narodnik>	there are now 3,631,170 articles on the English Wikipedia
May 06 23:43:41 <foks>	sweet stats
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May 06 23:45:34 <Randomguy83>	I wonder what'll be the 6,666,666th article
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May 06 23:45:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	wait, how gay is *too* gay?
May 06 23:47:00 <milo_went>	good question, dragon.  apparently 2 gay couples on a single show is TOO MUCH.
May 06 23:47:11 <milo_went>	moden family, one couple, must be OK.
May 06 23:47:12 <milo_went>	modern*
May 06 23:47:34 <Randomguy83>	someone just trolled my userpage with "ur GAY ur GAY ur GAY...etc"
May 06 23:47:42 <Randomguy83>	really
May 06 23:47:55 <milo_went>	glad to know 14 yr olds never change.
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May 06 23:48:10 <Randomguy83>	KICK HIM
May 06 23:48:15 <Randomguy83>	Meepsheep is ED Troll
May 06 23:48:23 <Meepsheep>	No I am not
May 06 23:48:27 <Randomguy83>	no?
May 06 23:48:33 <Randomguy83>	who are you then?
May 06 23:48:40 <Meepsheep>	Just a wikipedia editor
May 06 23:48:45 <Randomguy83>	...
May 06 23:48:51 <Randomguy83>	Zalgo?
May 06 23:49:02 <Randomguy83>	(shrugs)
May 06 23:49:03 <Meepsheep>	No
May 06 23:49:09 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Salvio_giuliano#Re:_Curiosity
May 06 23:49:11 <Gfoley4>	hmmm
May 06 23:49:25 <Meepsheep>	Randomguy83, why do you accuse me of such things?
May 06 23:49:31 <Gfoley4>	because it's true
May 06 23:49:32 <Gfoley4>	=)
May 06 23:49:37 <Meepsheep>	It is a lie
May 06 23:49:41 <milo_went>	i thought enc. dramatica grew up and is now trying to monetize itself.
May 06 23:49:44 <killiondude>	like cake
May 06 23:49:49 <Randomguy83>	still
May 06 23:49:51 <Meepsheep>	I don't know what "ED Troll" means
May 06 23:49:58 <Randomguy83>	...
May 06 23:50:02 <milo_went>	sure...
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May 06 23:50:13 <Randomguy83>	Encyclopedia Dramatica...
May 06 23:50:14 <killiondude>	erectile dysfunctional troll
May 06 23:50:19 <Randomguy83>	lol
May 06 23:50:24 <Meepsheep>	what is encyclopedia dramatica?
May 06 23:50:34 <killiondude>	cake.
May 06 23:50:42 <PeterSymonds>	:-)
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May 06 23:50:58 <Randomguy83>	encyclopedia disfunctiona is the disfunctional wiki.
May 06 23:51:11 <Meepsheep>	I thought you said it was called dramatica
May 06 23:51:23 <Randomguy83>	i know
May 06 23:51:29 <Randomguy83>	it's just...
May 06 23:51:31 <Meepsheep>	so why is it so bad?
May 06 23:51:33 <Randomguy83>	...a nasty place
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May 06 23:51:40 <Randomguy83>	pr0n
May 06 23:51:53 <Gfoley4>	ugh
May 06 23:51:54 <milo_went>	speaking of ED, funny OSL pic i saw was a dude at his computer typing "osama bin laden rule 34"
May 06 23:51:54 <Randomguy83>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Dramatica
May 06 23:51:58 <Meepsheep>	oh
May 06 23:52:03 <Gfoley4>	DFTT, etc.
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May 06 23:52:35 <Meepsheep>	Doesn't seem like such a bad place
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May 06 23:52:50 <Randomguy83>	wait...
May 06 23:52:56 <Randomguy83>	they're banning JACK MERRIDEW>!
May 06 23:52:58 <Randomguy83>	?!
May 06 23:53:09 <milo_went>	wasn't jack already banned or something?
May 06 23:53:13 <Randomguy83>	no
May 06 23:53:22 <Randomguy83>	just some strict terms or something
May 06 23:53:26 <Randomguy83>	idk
May 06 23:53:52 <milo_went>	i believe he was editing under some IP recently doing whatever trolling he wanted to do, i saw somediscussoin on that
May 06 23:54:05 <Randomguy83>	incivility
May 06 23:54:14 <Randomguy83>	I'd oppose the ban anyway...
May 06 23:54:20 <Randomguy83>	⋙–Berean–Hunter—►
May 06 23:54:22 <Randomguy83>	oops
May 06 23:54:29 <Randomguy83>	meant to copy it elsewhere...
May 06 23:54:38 <Meepsheep>	I don't think that anyone should be banned
May 06 23:54:52 <milo_went>	obviously some people shouldbe banned.
May 06 23:54:53 <Randomguy83>	no?
May 06 23:54:59 <Randomguy83>	how about Zsfgseg
May 06 23:55:09 <milo_went>	like anyone that annoys me.
May 06 23:55:10 <Meepsheep>	milo_went, like who?
May 06 23:55:14 <Randomguy83>	the civil troll who outs people.
May 06 23:55:33 <milo_went>	total vandal accounts, for one obvious category.
May 06 23:55:48 <Meepsheep>	I don't think that vandals really have bad intentions
May 06 23:55:54 <Randomguy83>	hmm
May 06 23:55:57 <milo_went>	lol
May 06 23:56:12 <Meepsheep>	I think they are just misguided
May 06 23:56:20 <Randomguy83>	how about "good" users who make sock farms?
May 06 23:56:34 <Meepsheep>	Socks are acceptable
May 06 23:56:36 <milo_went>	their intentions are irrelevant when they insert the middle name of "cocksucker" into BLPS all over the place, for example.
May 06 23:56:37 <killiondude>	/clear
May 06 23:56:44 <Gfoley4>	^
May 06 23:56:46 <killiondude>	---------------------------------
May 06 23:56:48 <killiondude>	New topic
May 06 23:56:50 <killiondude>	---------------------------------
May 06 23:56:52 <killiondude>	hi
May 06 23:56:56 <Randomguy83>	...
May 06 23:56:57 <Gfoley4>	hey killiondude
May 06 23:56:57 <geniice>	okeeeeey
May 06 23:57:00 <Meepsheep>	hello
May 06 23:57:03 <milo_went>	Rebecca Black:  Yet antoher friday
May 06 23:57:04 <Logan_>	oh hey killiondude
May 06 23:57:27 <killiondude>	Gotta get down on Friday.
May 06 23:57:30 <killiondude>	&c.
May 06 23:57:53 <milo_went>	better than the Beatles.
May 06 23:57:53 <Randomguy83>	ugh
May 06 23:58:16 <Randomguy83>	Saturday, Fun, fun, fun, fun, a 100mph train ride to San Francisco while I do nothing
May 06 23:58:18 <milo_went>	and going back to my "is fox too gay" link, they are going to perform Friday on Glee.
May 06 23:58:31 *	zscout370 (~zscout370@wikipedia/Zscout370) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 06 23:58:55 <Randomguy83>	lol
May 06 23:59:01 <Randomguy83>	#cheese