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Session Start: Sat Jun 13 03:58:39 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia
�03[03:58] * Now talking in #wikipedia
�03[03:58] * Topic is 'Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Specific Wikipedias: #wikipedia-<lang> | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | SUL finalization ongoing. Please check https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth for the status of your account�'
�03[03:58] * Set by NotASpy!~nick@wikimedia/Nick on Tue Apr 21 06:15:12 2015
[03:58] #wikipedia url is https://wikipedia.org
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[04:28] <Romaine> anyone here natively speaking English who want to read a text for me to check if it is written well?
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[04:37] <stupidjoblessper> Just looking for advice. How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring. No interviews. Cannot volunteer as there is no where near too
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[04:44] <Romaine> use your network
[04:44] <stupidjoblessper> no network
[04:44] <Romaine> no friends and no family?
[04:44] <Romaine> no relatives?
[04:45] <stupidjoblessper> no friends
[04:45] <stupidjoblessper> Family will not help
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[04:46] <Romaine> I think it is more concerning you have no friends than you have no work
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[05:48] <Gaelan> Is there some way to watchlist all contributions by a user?
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[01:16] <wizardintraining> Hey guys, Im kinda interested in the fact checking process of Wikipedia. Where can I go to find out more about it?
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[01:26] <mousekey> sorry about that, guys. learning how to use IRC
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[00:19] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[00:22] <Reguyla> Howdy
[00:22] <Reguyla> Did you have a question or something?
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[00:36] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla: problems?
[00:37] <Reguyla> I'm not having any problems I thought you might be having some
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[00:44] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla: in fact I have questions. among them, any news on wikipedia.
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[00:44] <Reguyla> News about what, always news on Wikipedia...especially drama.:-)
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[00:56] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla: ahahah
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[01:06] <Reguyla> Did you have questions about something though? I'll try to answer
[01:06] <Reguyla> or at least point you in the right direction
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[01:26] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla: ok. Sorry for the delay. the question most controversial: because proxies are not allowed to edit the wp? this is one of the questions I have. this is similar to sockpupet or not?
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[01:27] <Reguyla> Thats a hard question to answer
[01:28] <Reguyla> Its true proxies aren't allowed but a lot of IP networks use proxies these days
[01:29] <Reguyla> So I would say as long as you are editing positively and not trying to evade a ban, a block or trying to manipulate a vote using multiple accounts, it would probably be ok
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[01:29] <Reguyla> ENWP aggressively blocks proxies by bot, so if you can edit, then its not a proxy they are worried about IMO
[01:30] <Reguyla> Even proxies that have never done one edit or had one user create an account get blocked automatically (which I don't agree with, but it is what it is)
[01:31] <Reguyla> so again, if you "are" able to edit, that to me is at least tacit "proof" that it isn't a proxy they are concerned with
[01:32] <Reguyla> Again as long as you are editing positively your chances of getting harassed are diminished. The realist in me can't say never because there seem to be a lot of sockpuppet.sockmaster witch hunts going on these days
[01:32] <Reguyla> But I wouldn't let that stop you from making improvements
[01:33] <Reguyla> At the end of the day though, if one of the admins complains and decides to block you for whatever reason there isn't much else you can do
[01:34] <Reguyla> its up to you whether you want to risk editing to make improvements or not
[01:34] <Reguyla> I hope that helps a little
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[01:39] <PontoCom_BR> ok. I do not agree with block proxies IPs with no issues. and china? users edit from there with proxies, even to a famous Chinese director, such a shizao, I believe.
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[01:44] <Reguyla> Yeah I believe a lot of the China edits use proxies, same as Korea and several places in the Middle east
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[01:47] <Reguyla> Again there are no guarantees, but my guess is that if you are editing constructively you will have very little trouble
[01:48] <Reguyla> There are so many proxy apps out there and new ones coming out all the time they are hard to block all of them
[01:48] <PontoCom_BR> Korea Nort or South? as a matter of fact, He used to proxies in the middle east and north africa until mid-2011, at that time, countries were ditadoriais, but what you see today, since dictators were overthrown, regions were more unstable than before the Arab Spring.
[01:48] <Reguyla> One that I have herd good things about that some people use in some of the more oppressive countries is Hola. It seems to work well
[01:49] <Reguyla> Your right, I loved South Africa myself but I was in Capetown so its pretty safe
[01:52] <Reguyla> Just make sure its constructive. Even if they block you nothing will make them look more like dicks than blocking a positive contributor for a stupid reason
[01:52] <PontoCom_BR> South Africa is one of the most violent countries in the world. including the South African attack foreigners in recent years.
[01:52] <Reguyla> Yeah its getting really rough
[01:53] <PontoCom_BR> [22:51] <Reguyla> Just make sure its constructive. (...) // ok.
[01:53] <Reguyla> Joburg is pretty bad (its like NYC) but I think Capetown is still pretty safe. Its mostly the horn and the areas around Egypt and Niegeria that are really bad
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[01:54] <Reguyla> I'll be honest with you. I have been blocked on ENWP for over a year. Everyone knows I continue to contribute. But its always positive and whenever they revert it they just look like A-holes for restoring vandalism I revert, deleting articles I create or undoing other positive edits
[01:55] <Reguyla> Its not going to stop me from improving the project
[01:55] <PontoCom_BR> and more: the nelson Mandela's family was millionaire since he became president and the foreign media and the country itself They do not disclose this, so as not to tarnish his reputation.
[01:55] <Reguyla> because a very small minority of people who have the ability to block are not going to prevent me from improving articles and contributing to accumulating knowledge
[01:56] <Reguyla> Oh no doubt, he would certainly be wealthy
[01:57] <Reguyla> If however you do find yourself getting snared in ENWP and harassed, try editing at Commons or Wikidata. They are both much more new user friendly
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[17:21] <truc> Hello, wikipedia !
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[17:22] <truc> #chat
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[20:05] <ar> hi. it appears that ipv6 connectivity to wikipedia is broken. http://dpaste.com/2AQRW65.txt
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[20:08] <ar> hm
[20:11] <ar> here's how it looks in tcpdump: http://dpaste.com/36XAV8X.txt
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[20:15] <ar> nvm, looks iike PEBKAC
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[23:41] <HQ> How come this can be added https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumo, but cannot add my website? How this is not an advertisement and mine is? My understanding that Wikipedia is for everyone to add something so everyone learns and expand, not to suppress and make it one sides or a one point of view?
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[00:03] <Symmachus> HQ, this isn't the channel for that. Type: /join #wikipedia-en-help
[00:03] <HQ> So what is this channel for?
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[00:05] <Symmachus> To be honest, not much usually happens here. So I can't really say. Heh.
[00:05] <Symmachus> General discussion of Wikipedia, I suppose. Not "issues".
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[00:09] <HQ> So what is this channel for?
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[00:11] <HQ> Never mind
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[00:26] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[00:54] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla?
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[02:26] <mouse> hola
[02:26] <Symmachus> Heya, iDM.
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[04:07] <PontoCom_BR> reguyla is here?
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[15:57] <deinspanjer> Is there any way to get page history for a page that was deleted sometime in October 2004?
[15:57] <Glaisher> maybe
[15:57] <Glaisher> Which page?
[15:58] <deinspanjer> I can find evidence on archive.org that it existed at least as far back as July 31, 2004, but I suspect it actually existed for a couple of years longer.
[15:58] <deinspanjer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demomotus
[15:59] <deinspanjer> I remember this hoax when it happened, and it isn't mentioned in the list of long lived hoaxes.
[16:00] <deinspanjer> Obviously, this isn't critical, but I was irked when I discovered that history before 2005 isn't readily accessible.
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[16:09] <JordiGH> Someone came and added <code> tags for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medcouple
[16:09] <JordiGH> I don't like them. All they seem to have done is added some unsightly horizontal lines.
[16:09] <JordiGH> But it seems part of the required style?
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[16:13] <deinspanjer> Well, I'll just add what information I have regarding it to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia page.  I'm sure if the history is retrievable, some admin there will have access to it.
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[01:16] <artistdesigner> hello, everyone!
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[01:19] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[01:19] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: Hello.
[01:19] <artistdesigner> hi, PontoCom_BR
[01:20] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: Hi.
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[01:32] <PontoCom_BR> reguyla is here?
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[01:50] <zzo38> *PLEASE* fix your server configuration.
[01:50] <zzo38> It incorrectly redirects http:// to https://
[01:51] <zzo38> I keep getting "document contains no data" errors.
[01:51] <zzo38> Specifically I mean the upload.wikimedia.org server
[02:00] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: problems?
[02:03] <zzo38> Yes it won't work because the server insists on HTTPS
[02:04] <zzo38> That's why it results in such error message
[02:04] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: That mentioned, It needs to be done with the admin. in this case, I'm not.
[02:04] <zzo38> O, sorry I didn't know that
[02:05] <zzo38> Why is the server administration?
[02:05] <zzo38> s/Why/Who/
[02:05] <zzo38> (The problem sometimes occurs on en.wikipedia.org and other servers too)
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[02:22] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: sorry my delay. search the own English wikipedia, there is more than one thousand adms.
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[02:30] <zzo38> Well, it would need done by server administrators rather than wiki administrators
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[02:37] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: you're right. in this case, I do not understand about the wiki server. I think if contact with wikidata staff, they can help you.
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[02:49] <zzo38> Is there any header that can be used to tell the server to refuse to redirect to a differnt URI scheme?
[02:49] <zzo38> Would changing the user-agent help at all?
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[02:56] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: make sure it is a problem with your computer.
[02:57] <zzo38> It is not a problem with my computer. It is a problem with the Varnish configuration I think
[03:01] <zzo38> Please give me the ability to opt out of HTTPS.
[03:04] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: you use firefox?
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[03:04] <zzo38> No I don't
[03:05] <zzo38> It is a custom browser
[03:06] <zzo38> Use an alternate domain name for insecure connections if you must; this would avoid some of the problems that you normally have by allowing such opt-out
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[03:12] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: ok. you edit account or ip?
[03:15] <zzo38> I have an account
[03:15] <zzo38> It is User:Zzo38
[03:17] <zzo38> I want to be able to use even from clients that does not support HTTPS, and even on clients that do I want to avoid the extra processing required on the server and client
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[03:23] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: It uses only "HTTP" but it is unsafe in case of using your account.
[03:25] <zzo38> PontoCom_BR: What uses only "HTTP" exactly? I want to use my account over HTTP anyways
[03:27] <PontoCom_BR> zzo38: It is because I believe that when you use "HTTPS", not "HTTP", causes in some cases, denial of access sites.
[03:31] <zzo38> PontoCom_BR: Sometimes it does fail but it doesn't matter I want to be able to connect without HTTPS regardless
[03:34] <PontoCom_BR> ok. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzo38
[03:35] <zzo38> It doesn't help it redirect to HTTPS even when I changed the scheme to HTTP
[03:35] <zzo38> All of the pictures are missing too
[03:37] <PontoCom_BR> :(
[03:37] <zzo38> A lot of user box also are missing
[03:37] <zzo38> (I mean even the text of the userbox is missing; I just get a broken link instead)
[03:38] <PontoCom_BR> ok. I wanted to help you, but I do not know how. :( have checked whether it is a virus, if not that, it is better to take to informatics technician. O_O
[03:38] <zzo38> I don't think it is a virus.
[03:39] <zzo38> Rather, the server is stupid.
[03:42] <PontoCom_BR> It can be. but not sure.
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[03:55] <PontoCom_BR> ????
[03:55] <PontoCom_BR> wtf...
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[06:11] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[07:10] <Raccoon> Could someone walk me through adding an image to an article of a TV show
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[07:10] <Raccoon> The current year of public domain is 1963, and it was published in 1962.
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Session Start: Tue Jun 23 04:02:40 2015
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�03[04:02] * Topic is 'Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Specific Wikipedias: #wikipedia-<lang> | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | SUL finalization ongoing. Please check https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth for the status of your account�'
�03[04:02] * Set by NotASpy!~nick@wikimedia/Nick on Tue Apr 21 06:15:12 2015
[04:02] #wikipedia url is https://wikipedia.org
�05[04:03] -ChanServ- [#wikimedia-research] Welcome to the Wikimedia Research IRC channel.  The Science must flow.
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[04:21] <tentacle_sex> hello
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[06:00] <JakeRK> if i feel like an article is being vandalized, do i message certaina dmins or do this on that said articles talk page? thanks
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[09:08] <twb> When I view pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napthalene, there are a bunch of SVGs that wikipedia pre-rasterizes.
[09:09] <twb> Can I get the page with SVGs instead?  Can I do so without logging in, and without spoofing User-Agent?
[09:10] <twb> I started doing it painstakingly one at a time for in client-side CSS, which is pretty awful
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[10:04] <xsi> How could I write some minimalistic, but correct page on Wikipedia? I'm on Creating User:Xcislav
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[10:04] <xsi> It's my user and I want some example in order the page to be nice
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[12:07] <Glaisher> sillydragon.
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[17:07] <thomansfel> hey guys
[17:07] <thomansfel> would appreciate your help on implementing wikipedia xml or api feed, not sure which is the right one for our needs
[17:07] <thomansfel> we are building a search engine and want to show part of the search results from wikipedia, similar to what google.com has, based on search term = keyword
[17:07] <thomansfel> my tech has a few problems:
[17:07] <thomansfel> 1. the xml feed returns a lot of content for the search term keyword, for example kwd=flower, how to limit or pick the content ? or only display a summary of the page ?
[17:07] <thomansfel> 2. the xml results from the wiki feed are in an unique format, how to format the results in html ?
[17:08] <thomansfel> 3. for certain search terms, keywords eg movie or series titles, we don't get any results from the wikipedia xml but if searching the same keyword in google they show content from wiki
[17:09] <thomansfel> please advise if you worked with this ...
[17:09] <sladen> thomansfel: all good questions; though I'm not the best placed to answer
[17:09] <sladen> if if you lave the IRC window open, somebody will hopefully reply in the fullness of time,or at least help point to you a better contact
[17:10] <thomansfel> thanks sladen hopefully someone around can help or guide me to the right direction...
[17:10] <thomansfel> yeah, no worries, i am around...
[17:10] <sladen> thomansfel: yes, just be aware that it's not necessarily immediate
[17:10] <thomansfel> i know :P
[17:11] <sladen> thomansfel: in case you get disconnected, and somebody will wants to reply, do you have a preferred email address?
[17:11] <thomansfel> hmm, if its an @domain email address ? is that considered commercial or spam ?
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[17:13] <thomansfel> i really need help on this so here it goes: hello@dariandesign.com
[17:14] <thomansfel> if by anychance I am not around when someone replies or knows his way around the issues mentioned, please email me so we can get in touch
[17:14] <thomansfel> but I will definitely be around, here to stay :D
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[17:22] <Glaisher> thomansfel: You are using the API?
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[17:38] <thomansfel> Glaisher my tech tested both the api and the xml
[17:39] <thomansfel> does wiki have different feeds for differet categories ? would need the api or xml to cover all categories and show results for any possible keywords, best match or related ...
[17:39] <thomansfel> see the above example about movie or series titles...
[17:39] <thomansfel> and the results from the feed are in wiki own format, how to convert or format this into html ?
[17:39] <Glaisher> That is API in xml format or sth else?
[17:41] <thomansfel> yes
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[17:42] <thomansfel> any other suggestions on how to approach showing part of the search results from wikipedia, similar to what google.com has, based on search term = keyword
[17:42] <thomansfel> i mean other then the api ?
[17:44] <Glaisher> There's a parse api which you can use to convert wikitext to html
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[17:46] <thomansfel> could you link me pls ?
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[17:46] <Glaisher> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse
[17:48] <Glaisher> thomansfel: looks like the search api also allows you to get a summary of the pages in search results
[17:48] <enkiv3> ~drug dph summary of the pooh or not seen her argumentation: sex identity is bnoss, it has like 5 months back
[17:48] <Glaisher> enkiv3: ?
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[17:52] <thomansfel> thanks Glaisher I will have my tech look into it
[17:52] <thomansfel> other suggestions ? for the issues mentioned above ?
[17:52] <thomansfel> appreciate it
[17:52] <Glaisher> Let's see.
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[17:54] <Glaisher> For 1. you have https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=Google&srprop=snippet
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[17:54] <Glaisher> 2. you can use the parse api which I linked to earlier
[17:54] <Glaisher> 3. that's because Google has its own algorithms for searching
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[18:26] <thomansfel> thank you Glaisher
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[18:27] <Glaisher> you're welcome
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[20:22] <Guest95400> "I got money in the bank" - Gary Barlow
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[20:22] <Guest95400> "We're did all my seats go" - Nick Clegg
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[20:23] <Guest95400> "Gimme a bacon sandwich" - Ed Miliband
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[20:25] <Guest95400> "i Got money in the bank" - Gary Barlow
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[20:31] <jubo2> bacon and egg sandwich is not a bad choice btw
[20:31] <jubo2> maybe he wanted an BLT instead
[20:31] <jubo2> but then again he'd ask for a BLT if he wanted a BLT
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[08:17] <BantaKing> "Were did all my seats go?" - Nick Clegg
[08:18] <BantaKing> "Gimme a bacon sandwich" - Ed Miliband
[08:18] <BantaKing> "I'm removing your benefits" - George Osborne
[08:19] <BantaKing> "People think I'm mean coz I didn't pay my tax" - Gary Barlow
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[08:20] <BantaKing> "I got money in the bank" - Gary Barlow
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[08:26] <comets> O_O
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[09:58] <arlojamesbarnes> Is this the right channel for Commons discussion?
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[11:25] <RenRenJuan> y, unless there's a #wikipedia-commons
[11:25] <RenRenJuan> which there is with a 100+ ppl
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[19:27] <AlanBell> Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me get hold of the text of a deleted article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odoo so that I can fix whatever the problem was with it?
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[20:02] <marktraceur> AlanBell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Odoo_%282nd_nomination%29
[20:02] <marktraceur> You should read that.
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[20:35] <AlanBell> marktraceur: I did, and the prior one which was a speedy keep, I think part of the issue is that the software was recently renamed, the new name isn't massively noteable by web hits yet
[20:35] <AlanBell> openerp is rather more well known than the odoo name
[20:36] <AlanBell> but, the article probably has some unverified claims in it or something, I don't know what exactly
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[20:36] <AlanBell> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Odoo was an earlier delete discussion
[20:37] <AlanBell> :({{Find sources AFD|Odoo}}) doesn't reveal quite as much as :({{Find sources AFD|OpenERP}}) would have done
[20:41] <marktraceur> AlanBell: The issue *appears* to be that the authors are all associated with the software and company, and that they're writing pretty biased text.
[20:41] <marktraceur> At least from what I read.
[20:42] <AlanBell> yeah, I am not associated with the company, would like to know how biased it was
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[20:45] <AlanBell> as far as I can make out, the software would meet notability requirements (there are a heap of books written about it, several derivative forks that are notable in their own right, quite a bit of media coverage)
[20:47] <AlanBell> also quite a lot of links to it from various other bits of wikipedia, not that this is notability per se
[20:49] <marktraceur> AlanBell: Well, someone said they would give you the content. Contact them.
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[20:56] <AlanBell> yeah, did yesterday, was hoping that JzG or someone else would be about on IRC for a chat about the content, I just don't really know what questions to ask until I see it :)
[20:56] <marktraceur> This isn't the best channel, anyway - try #wikipedia-en
[20:57] <AlanBell> ah, ok thanks
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[02:54] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[02:55] <Reguyla> Howdy, not too many people here though
[03:00] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla: HELLO.
[03:02] <slakr> Reguyla: #wikipedia-en might have a few more if you're fine with english
[03:03] <Reguyla> Lol, yeah I am fine with english but I can't acces that channel.
[03:04] <Reguyla> Thanks though
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[06:09] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[16:32] <enkiv3> katylove
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[16:51] <sshine> hi. anyone know a good place to ask about the wikEdDiff javascript that powers the visual diff tool of Wikipedia?
[16:52] <sshine> it's available as a stand-alone script at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cacycle/diff , but it seems that this script does inline diffs and wikipedia's use of it divides the entire article into several blocks. not sure if I'm just missing a parameter when running the script.
[16:53] <Glaisher> sshine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cacycle/wikEdDiff ?
[16:53] <sshine> Glaisher, yes, that one.
[16:53] <sshine> ah, there's a talk page. thanks!
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[16:56] <sshine> do you know if the "improved diff view" that is being mentioned everywhere on those pages refer to the idea of viewing the difference in *one* text rather than as side-by-side?
[16:56] <Glaisher> *shrug*
[16:56] <Glaisher> I don't use it.
[16:57] <sshine> you never look at diffs when editing wikipedia?
[16:57] <sshine> they're amazing. thus I'm stealing the functionality for something else. ;)
[16:57] <Glaisher> no, I don't use wikiEd
[16:57] <sshine> well, the visual diffs are available outside of the wysiwyg editor. I don't use the editor either.
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[16:58] <sshine> perhaps this wikEdDiff is only the diff you see when using the wysiwyg ditor?
[16:58] <Glaisher> I think you're mixing up mediawiki's diff tool with wikiEdDiff?
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[16:59] <sshine> I certainly am!
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[16:59] <sshine> so mediawiki's diff tool isn't available as an external script?
[16:59] <enkiv3> well, it's not naivety as such, as an example has some music mixing up mediawiki's diff tool of wikipedia?
[17:01] <Glaisher> sshine: It's in PHP, not js
[17:01] <Glaisher> but open source
[17:01] <sshine> of all the ones I know, wikipedia's is the one I like the most. StackOverflow has one as well, and I mainly think they did the coloring right, but the whole per-block view is just nice.
[17:01] <sshine> ah, sigh.
[17:02] <sshine> I'm doing a C# project, so I was really thrilled when I believed wikipedia's visual diff thing was done entirely in JS. but even this wikEdDiff is sort of nice.
[17:02] <sshine> bit wobbly on the UX.
[17:02] <sshine> I thank you for your input, Glaisher.
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[17:07] <Glaisher> You're welcome.
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[23:30] <Reguyla> Anyone want to take a look at an Article on ENWP?
[23:31] <Reguyla> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bornalibertines seems like a self promotion
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[03:39] <Eatmeimaredbean> How do you access the English Wikipedia?
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[13:38] <Reguyla> Is anyone watching the Arbitration cases lately? I am finding it ironic how the Arbitration committee is going out of their way to smooth over the actions of one of their own that clearly violated consensus and policy.
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[13:39] <Reguyla> I also find it fairly interesting that Admin and former arb Floquenbeam gets into a significant edit war and isn't blocked when an editor would have been blocked long before it escalated to the point it did. Double standard anyone?
[13:41] <Reguyla> I hope no one at this point really believe that the Arbcom cares about the community, about consensus, policy or anything else outside their goals and agendas. Because just in the last week they have shown repeatedly they don't
[13:41] <comets> absolute power corrupts.
[13:41] <comets>  /thread
[13:45] <Reguyla> Abolutely. When no one is watching the watchers, the watchers are eventually going to need to be watched
[13:46] <Reguyla> Whats worse is they know they can get away with it and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The community saw what happened to me, so I am glad they are finally starting to stand up for themselves and show the arbcom that they aren't untouchable
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[13:49] <Reguyla> Oh well, over the last couple years I have been shouting it from the rooftops and everyone is sick of hearing it from me. So I am glad others in the community are getting involved and trying to turn things around. I am going to just sit back and watch the show
[13:50] <Reguyla> Although I still have little doubt anything will come out of it and the offenders will be let off without any ramifications for violating policy, just as has happened in the past
[13:51] <Reguyla> The upcomng election for the Arbcom should reflect the communities feelings
[13:55] <comets> meh those elections are just plain ole brown nosing event..
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[14:07] <Reguyla> Yeah but it would be interesting to see what would happen if not enough people passed the minimum threshhold for edit counts to fill the vacating seats
[14:07] <Reguyla> err, not edit counts cause lets face it they really don't edit much, but I meant votes
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[13:52] <Krenair> enkiv3, ?
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[18:17] <yonikasz> Hi would anyone like to collaborate?
[18:18] <marktraceur> yonikasz: On what?
[18:19] <yonikasz> marktraceur: anything, just kind of feeling alone doing it all alone
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[18:29] <pi_> Hello
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[18:33] <enkiv3> submarine
[18:34] <Submarine> hi
[18:34] <yonikasz> hi
[18:34] <yonikasz> Do you need something?
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[20:15] <bananabas> is this the official wikipedia channel?
[20:15] <JeDa> yep
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[21:10] <bananabas> good
[21:10] <bananabas> my question is, is there a simple way of being notified of each change that happend to a wikipedia page by email?
[21:10] <bananabas> *happens
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[21:30] <marktraceur> bananabas: Yes. Watchlists.
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[21:39] <bananabas> marktraceur, ty!
[21:39] <bananabas> this looks helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Watching_pages
[21:39] <bananabas> my second q is,
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[21:39] <bananabas> how can i extract all external URL from a wikipedia page
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[21:40] <bananabas> URLs
[21:40] <marktraceur> bananabas: That's a little trickier, you'd need to parse the page and pull all of the external links
[21:41] <bananabas> marktraceur, with a html parser?
[21:41] <marktraceur> With a wikitext parser.
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[21:41] <marktraceur> And then an HTML parser.
[21:41] <bananabas> oh.
[21:41] <marktraceur> Or just a specialized wikitext parser.
[21:41] <bananabas> can you think of one?
[21:43] <marktraceur> Parsoid should do the wikitext -> html part
[21:43] <marktraceur> And then a quick DOM query for certain classes should be enough to pull the rest out
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[21:56] <bananabas> marktraceur, ok but firefox shows directly the html of a wikipedia page if i click on view source right?
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[22:03] <marktraceur> bananabas: Well yeah, if you want to do it manually
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[22:11] <bananabas> marktraceur, Well. There are things like https://github.com/google/gumbo-parser which automatically parse HTML
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[22:18] <bananabas> I see there are some python html parsers as well
[22:18] <bananabas> why can't i just point one of those to the link of the page in question?
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[22:24] <bananabas> marktraceur, so consider this workflow: cURL would get the html page, then gumbo would parse it and extract all links. I'm trying to understand where Parsoid fits in :)
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[22:48] <marktraceur> bananabas: You wouldn't need Parsoid if you fetched the HTML, I assumed you were starting from wikitext
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[01:55] <archl> hi, may I report issue I found here?
[01:58] <archl> strange I looked up English hyperlink from Chinese https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%81%B6%E5%BF%83_%28%E5%B0%8F%E8%AF%B4%29 and it redirect to "Éditions_Gallimard" instead of "Nausea_(novel)". The problem only exist in Chinese page, any hints to fix this?
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[02:48] <olfix> hi all
[02:48] <olfix> good day
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[03:21] <PontoCom_BR> hello.
[03:21] <juancarlos> hi
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[03:24] <PontoCom_BR> hi, juancarlos/johncharles.
[03:26] <johncharles> PontoCom_BR: where do you hail from
[03:27] <PontoCom_BR> juancarlos/johncharles: where's from my country?
[03:27] <johncharles> yes
[03:27] <PontoCom_BR> juancarlos/johncharles: ah, ok.
[03:28] <PontoCom_BR> johncharles: Brazil. and you? USA?
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[03:28] <johncharles> yes
[03:28] <johncharles> i would love to visit brazil one day
[03:28] <johncharles> unfortunately, i do not speak portuguese though :)
[03:28] <PontoCom_BR> johncharles: and you name's latino spanish?
[03:29] <johncharles> yes
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[03:29] <PontoCom_BR> ahahahahahah
[03:29] <juancarlos> Soy el rey de españa
[03:31] <PontoCom_BR> ahahahahahah
[03:31] <PontoCom_BR> Felipe VI
[03:31] <PontoCom_BR> or Philip VI
[03:31] <juancarlos> No lo creas.
[03:32] <PontoCom_BR> You do not speak Portuguese, I do not speak English too, but gradually, I can understand and even write. you can use your Spanish or English nickname. You can choose.
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[03:32] <PontoCom_BR> this spanish languarge is amost similar to portuguese + or - 70%, the rest other words.
[03:34] <PontoCom_BR> johncharles: you country teaches spanish in publics and privates schools?
[03:34] <juancarlos> yes
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[03:39] <PontoCom_BR> johncharles: is good. the problem is that Americans, they have to speak correctly: abandon English for Spanish accent.
[03:39] <juancarlos> i abandon English a lot
[03:40] <PontoCom_BR> yeah. is really.
[03:44] <PontoCom_BR> juancarlos/johncharles: about language classes in my country, in public and private schools, was used English and Spanish, because until the last decade, it was only English.
[03:45] <juancarlos> I guess I can see why Spanish is important to Brazil. :)
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[03:53] <PontoCom_BR> juancarlos: that's true. although older Brazilian there were no lessons to learn Spanish, They come to understand as they speak, even to try to risk speaking Portuguese.
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[04:04] <juancarlos> heh
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[04:10] <PontoCom_BR> :)
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[08:11] <Venusaur> I that even English?
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