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==Note 1==
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FI.  Factorization Issues
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FI.  Note 1
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<pre>
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| Things are equivocally named, when they have the name only in common,
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| the definition (or statement of essence) corresponding with the name
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| being different.  For instance, while a man and a portrait can properly
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| both be called "animals" [Greek 'zõon' means 'living' or 'true to life'],
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| these are equivocally named.  For they have the name only in common,
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| the definitions (or statements of essence) corresponding with the name
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| being different.  For if you are asked to define what the being an animal
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| means in the case of the man and the portrait, you give in either case
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| a definition appropriate to that case alone.  ("Categories", p. 13).
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| Aristotle, "The Categories", in 'Aristotle, Volume 1',
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| Translated by H.P. Cooke & H. Tredennick, Loeb Classics,
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| William Heinemann Ltd, London, UK, 1938.
      
I would like to introduce a concept that I find to be of
 
I would like to introduce a concept that I find to be of
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f : X -> Y, just about as generic as it needs to be:
 
f : X -> Y, just about as generic as it needs to be:
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|  Source X  =  {1, 2, 3, 4,    5}
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o---------------------------------------o
|          |      o  o  o  o    o
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|                                      |
|      f  |      \ | /    \  /
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|  Source X  =  {1, 2, 3, 4,    5}     |
|          |        \|/      \ /
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|          |      o  o  o  o    o     |
|          v      o  o  o  o  o  o
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|      f  |      \ | /    \  /       |
|  Target Y  =  {A, B, C, D, E, F}
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|          |        \|/      \ /       |
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|          v      o  o  o  o  o  o     |
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|  Target Y  =  {A, B, C, D, E, F}     |
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|                                      |
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o---------------------------------------o
    
Now, it is a fact that any old function that you might
 
Now, it is a fact that any old function that you might
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example just like so:
 
example just like so:
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|  Source X  =  {1, 2, 3, 4,    5}
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o---------------------------------------o
|          |      o  o  o  o    o
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|                                      |
|      g  |      \ | /    \  /
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|  Source X  =  {1, 2, 3, 4,    5}     |
|          v        \|/      \ /
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|          |      o  o  o  o    o     |
|  Middle M  =  {  b  ,    e  }
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|      g  |      \ | /    \  /       |
|          |        |        |
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|          v        \|/      \ /       |
|      h  |        |        |
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|  Middle M  =  {  b  ,    e  }     |
|          v      o  o  o  o  o  o
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|          |        |        |        |
|  Target Y  =  {A, B, C, D, E, F}
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|      h  |        |        |        |
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|          v      o  o  o  o  o  o     |
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|  Target Y  =  {A, B, C, D, E, F}     |
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o---------------------------------------o
    
Writing the functional compositions f = g o h "on the right",
 
Writing the functional compositions f = g o h "on the right",
 
as they say, we have the following data about the situation:
 
as they say, we have the following data about the situation:
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X  =  {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}
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  X  =  {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}
M  =  {b, e}
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  M  =  {b, e}
Y  =  {A, B, C, D, E, F}
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  Y  =  {A, B, C, D, E, F}
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f : X -> Y, arbitrary.
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  f : X -> Y, arbitrary.
g : X -> M, surjective.
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  g : X -> M, surjective.
h : M -> Y, injective.
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  h : M -> Y, injective.
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f = g o h
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  f = g o h
    
What does all of this have to do with reification and so on?
 
What does all of this have to do with reification and so on?
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and injective factors.
 
and injective factors.
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Observe, however, that here is where the battles begin to break out,
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Observe, however, that here is where all the battles tend to break out,
 
for not all factorizations are regarded with equal equanimity by folks
 
for not all factorizations are regarded with equal equanimity by folks
 
who have divergent philosophical attitudes toward the creation of new
 
who have divergent philosophical attitudes toward the creation of new
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In this case, we factor the function f : O -> S
 
In this case, we factor the function f : O -> S
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|  Source O  :>  x_1 x_2 x_3
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|          |      o  o  o
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|                                      |
|          |        \  |  /
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|  Source O  :>  x_1 x_2 x_3           |
|      f  |        \ | /
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|          |      o  o  o           |
|          |          \|/
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|          |        \  |  /             |
|          v      ... o ...
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|      f  |        \ | /             |
|  Target S  :>      y  
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|          |          \|/               |
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|          v      ... o ...           |
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|  Target S  :>      y               |
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|                                      |
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o---------------------------------------o
    
into the composition g o h, where g : O -> M, and h : M -> S
 
into the composition g o h, where g : O -> M, and h : M -> S
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|  Source O  :>  x_1 x_2 x_3
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|          |      o  o  o
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|                                      |
|      g  |        \  |  /
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|  Source O  :>  x_1 x_2 x_3           |
|          |        \ | /
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|          |      o  o  o           |
|          v          \|/
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|      g  |        \  |  /             |
|  Middle M  :>  ... x ...
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|          |        \ | /             |
|          |          |  
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|          v          \|/               |
|      h  |          |
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|  Middle M  :>  ... x ...           |
|          |          |
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|          |          |                |
|          v      ... o ...
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|      h  |          |                |
|  Target S  :>      y
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|          |          |                |
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|          v      ... o ...           |
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|  Target S  :>      y               |
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|                                      |
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o---------------------------------------o
    
The factorization of an arbitrary function
 
The factorization of an arbitrary function
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and this is the topic that
 
and this is the topic that
 
I will take up next.
 
I will take up next.
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==Note 2==
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FI.  Note 2
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<pre>
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Let me illustrate what I think that a plethora of our controversies
Let me illustrate what I think that a lot of our controversies
   
about nominalism versus realism actually boil down to in practice.
 
about nominalism versus realism actually boil down to in practice.
 
From a semiotic or a sign-theoretic point of view, it all begins
 
From a semiotic or a sign-theoretic point of view, it all begins
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is quite literally taken to denote each object x_j in a whole
 
is quite literally taken to denote each object x_j in a whole
 
collection of objects {x_1, ..., x_k, ...}, a situation that
 
collection of objects {x_1, ..., x_k, ...}, a situation that
I would normally represent in a sign-relational table like so:
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I'd normally represent in a sign-relational table like so:
    
o---------o---------o---------o
 
o---------o---------o---------o
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Notice the subtle distinction between these two cases:
 
Notice the subtle distinction between these two cases:
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1.  A sign denotes each object in a set of objects.
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  1.  A sign denotes each object in a set of objects.
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2.  A sign denotes a set of objects.
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  2.  A sign denotes a set of objects.
    
The first option uses the notion of a set in a casual,
 
The first option uses the notion of a set in a casual,
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of the dyadic components of any relation.
 
of the dyadic components of any relation.
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==Note 3==
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JA = Jon Awbrey
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SR = Seth Russell
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JA figured:
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| Denotative Component of L'" |
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|  Objects    |    Signs    |
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|                            |
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|    i                      |
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|    /|\  *                  |
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|  / | \      *            |
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|  /  |  \          *        |
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| o  o  o >>>>>>>>>>>> y    |
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|    .  .  .            '    |
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|        . . .          '    |
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|              ...      '    |
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|                  .    '    |
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|                      "i"  |
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|                            |
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SR: Your diagrams dont tell the whole story.
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JA: No diagram, no form of representation, tells the "whole" story.
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    A representation becomes pretty useless if it tries to do that.
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SR: .... here is the rest of the story all in one diagram.
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SR: http://robustai.net/mentography/intensionExtension.gif
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Seth,
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"extension of", "intension of", and "isa" seem off base.
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Just some random notes:
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y and "i" are both signs.
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x_1, x_2, x_3, and i are all objects
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in the augmented sign relation L'''.
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The intension (property, quality) i gets to be
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an "object of conduct, discussion, or thought"
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as soon as any agents (interpreters, observers)
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start to act, to talk, or to think in some way
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or another with regard to it.
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Later, I will build separate hierarchies for the objects
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I forget now, but I don't remember saying anything yet
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JA = Jon Awbrey
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SR = Seth Russell
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JA glyped:
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| Denotative Component of L'" |
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|  Objects    |    Signs    |
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|                            |
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|    i                      |
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|    /|\  *                  |
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|  / | \      *            |
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|  /  |  \          *        |
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| o  o  o >>>>>>>>>>>> y    |
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|    .  .  .            '    |
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|        . . .          '    |
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|              ...      '    |
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|                  .    '    |
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|                      "i"  |
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|                            |
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SR giffed:
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http://robustai.net/mentography/intensionExtension.gif
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JA: No diagram, no form of representation, tells the "whole" story.
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No, let me explain ...
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I'm trying to stay within what I'm able to say using
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To do any better in a truly systematic way requires
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sign relations.  Maybe later.
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I am saying that y is a sign in S, much like the way I might say
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I am saying that "i" is a sign in S, much like the way I might say
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that |j| is an integer in J, where the vertical bars indicate the
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absolute value function -- this is just an example, it could have
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something like S = {"a", "b", "c", ... A", "B", "C", ...},
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or we can use other constant names and variable names to talk
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about the elements of S.  For example, I can ask you to think
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JA: x_1, x_2, x_3, and i are all objects
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> Yes I agree and have shown them as such in the context labeled objects in
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> all the arcs labeled 'connotes', 'denotes', and 'represents' in my diagram.
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Just for clarity, here is the tabular version
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|      Sign Relation L'"      |
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| Object  |  Sign  | Interp  |
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|    i    |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|  x_1  |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|  x_2  |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|  x_3  |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|    i    |    y    |  ...  |
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|  x_1  |    y    |  ...  |
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|  x_2  |    y    |  ...  |
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|  x_3  |    y    |  ...  |
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o---------o---------o---------o
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term, or what is very similar, the semeiosis/semitosis
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of some old such notion that has gotten too posh to be
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useful without undergoing some further distinctions or
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divisions in the over-extenuated mass of its extension.
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Were you here when we were talking about metonymy?
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There is something about this that reminds of that.
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Here is one old note I found:
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Subj:  Re: Meaning-Preserving Translations
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Date:  Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:00:31 -0500
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From:  Jon Awbrey <jawbrey@oakland.edu>
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  To:  Stand Up Ontology <standard-upper-ontology@ieee.org>,
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      SemioCom <semiocom@listbot.com>
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  CC:  John F. Sowa <sowa@bestweb.net>,
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      Mary Keeler <mkeeler@u.washington.edu>
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John F. Sowa wrote:
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> Jon,
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> Your quotation from Hugh T. is very helpful, because it
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> > | of illustration.  A premiss was probably represented by a line joining
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> > | the letters chosen to stand for the terms.  How quality and quantity
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> > | were indicated can only be conjectured.
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> > | Hugh Tredennick,
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> > |"Introduction" to Aristotle's "Prior Analytics", page 184 in:
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> > |'Aristotle, Volume 1', Translated by H.P. Cooke & H. Tredennick,
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> > | Loeb Classical Library, William Heinemann, London, UK, 1938.
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> This example illustrates a kind of "metonomy", which refers to
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> something by using a term (often more concrete or "diagrammatic")
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> to refer to something abstract.  This usage is common not only in
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> mathematics.  We use terms like "limit", "boundary", or "interval"
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Let me think.
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Metonomy = "use of the name of one thing for that of another
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as in 'lands belonging to the crown'" (Webster's).
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Accordingly, in this figure of metonymy, the term "crown" denotes
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what the term "regent" denotes by virtue of the fact that a crown
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is an associate or an attribute of a regent.
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Apparently, we have a sign relation of the following form,
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in which the figure of metonymy is embodied by the triples
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| Object  | Sign    | Interp  |
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¤~~~~~~~~~~¤~~~~~~~~~~¤~~~~~~~~~~¤
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|          |          |          |
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| Crown    | "Crown"  | "Crown"  |
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|          |          |          |
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| Regent  | "Crown"  | "Crown"  |
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| Regent  | "Crown"  | "Regent" |
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| Regent  | "Regent" | "Crown"  |
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| Regent  | "Regent" | "Regent" |
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¤~~~~~~~~~~¤~~~~~~~~~~¤~~~~~~~~~~¤
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This may be diagrammed as follows, with denotative arcs
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  Crown = o1 <----- s1 = "Crown"
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  Regent = o2 <----- s2 = "Regent"
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on the signs "Crown" and "Regent".  However, this SER does not
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constitute a "referential equivalence relation" (RER), because
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the parts of the associated partition of the syntactic domain,
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> I would interpret Aristotle's use of diagrammatic terms in
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> to refer to the most general category of the ontology:
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> it refers explicitly to the place where the mark occurs
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> on the paper or blackboard, by metonomy to the word instance
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> written in that place, by further metonomy to the word type,
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> In programming languages, a related term is "coercion", which
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> refers to the automatic type conversion that takes place when
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>  - Integer to float:  In the expression, "2 + 3.75",
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>    the integer value of the numeral "2" is automatically
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>
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>  - Character string to numeric:  In some languages,
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>    arithmetic can be performed directly on numbers that
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>    are represented by character strings.  In "2.6 + '55'"
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>    the string '55' is coerced to the integer 55, which is
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>    then coerced to the floating-point value.
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>
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> Metonomy in natural language is extremely common and,
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> I would say, extremely valuable in general.  And I admit
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> that it can sometimes cause confusion.  But I would much
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> rather take advantage of metonomy in what I read, write,
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> and speak than to force myself and others to insert
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> "conversion" operators for every change of type.
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>
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> Bottom line:  I am willing to say "By 'top', I mean
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> the concept expressed by the mark that occurs at the
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> top of the type lattice."  But I'm only going to say
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> that once.  From then on, I would just say "top".
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>
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> > ...  The more pertinent question,
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> > from the standpoint of a pragmatic theory of signs is:
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> > "Exactly what roles does the given thing play within
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> > a given moment (= elementary relation = triple) of
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> > the relevant sign relation?"  So, of course, signs
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> > can be objects -- no sooner do we talk about them
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> > than they become objects of discussion, if others
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> > would say "potential objects" (PO's), reserving
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> > the honorific title "object" for the PO of some
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> > consistent style of discussion and predication.
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>
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> Yes, such analysis can be valuable.  But once the analysis
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> has been done, I would go back to using language the way it
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> has always been used:  take advantage of metonomy whenever
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> it makes the expression more concise.
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Sadly, until our computers get to understand the way we talk,
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with all of these figures of speech, metaphor, metonymy, and
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many more, somebody will have to do the dirty job of getting
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them to grok it.
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o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o
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Okay, let's compare and contrast:
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o---------o---------o---------o
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| Object  |  Sign  | Interp  |
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o---------o---------o---------o
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|        |        |        |
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| crown  | "crown" | "crown" |
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|        |        |        |
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| regent  | "crown" | "crown" |
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| regent  | "crown" | "regent"|
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| regent  | "regent"| "crown" |
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| regent  | "regent"| "regent"|
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o---------o---------o---------o
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o-----------------------------o
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|      Sign Relation L'"      |
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o---------o---------o---------o
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| Object  |  Sign  | Interp  |
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o---------o---------o---------o
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|    i    |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|  x_1  |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|  x_2  |  "i"  |  ...  |
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|  x_3  |  "i"  |  ...  |
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o---------o---------o---------o
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|    i    |    y    |  ...  |
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|  x_1  |    y    |  ...  |
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|  x_2  |    y    |  ...  |
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|  x_3  |    y    |  ...  |
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o---------o---------o---------o
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What's similar is this.  Signs are typically used in highly
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ambiguous, equivocal, non-deterministic ways, and there is
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just no substitute for intelligent interpreters, humane or
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otherwise, when it gets down to the brass syntax of trying
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to pin down the meaning of a text.  The way that metonymy
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works is that when you hear the word "crown", not knowing
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if it is capitalized or not, you have to decide whether
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it literally means a crown, or whether it figuratively
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means a regent.  In the literal case, you are taking
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the word at its word and assigning it to a semantic
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equivalence class with other words that are used
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to denote physical crowns.  In the figurative
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case, you are associating the word to a very
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different sort of semantic equivalence class.
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I need to break here and think about that a while.
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Jon Awbrey
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JA: The intension (property, quality) i gets to be
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    an "object of conduct, discussion, or thought"
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    as soon as any agents (interpreters, observers)
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    start to act, to talk, or to think in some way
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    or another with regard to it.
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SR: Yes, absolutely ... this is not as yet in that graph.
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    However I did make a stab in that direction in both
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    of the mentographs:
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    http://robustai.net/mentography/Tarskian3.gif and
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    http://robustai.net/mentography/AnnBobYouI.gif
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    ... which shows the perdicament broken
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    into the contexts of different agents.
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JA: Later, I will build separate hierarchies for the objects
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    and for the syntactic entities (signs, interpretants).
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SR: ... looking forward to it.
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JA: I forget now, but I don't remember saying anything yet
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    about interpretants in this example.  I will go check.
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SR: You probably did not, yet I cannot in good conscience
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    mentograph a sign relation leaving out one of the triads.
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SR: ... thanks for the dialogue.
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==Note 5==
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<pre>
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JA = Jon Awbrey
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SR = Seth Russell
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Seth,
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Let me try to come up with a more concrete version
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that has the same structure as the present example.
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Then I'll go back and try to answer your questions.
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JA glyphed:
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o-----------------------------o
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| Denotative Component of L'" |
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o--------------o--------------o
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|  Objects    |    Signs    |
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o--------------o--------------o
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|                            |
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|    i                      |
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|    /|\  *                  |
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|  / | \      *            |
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|  /  |  \          *        |
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| o  o  o >>>>>>>>>>>> y    |
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|    .  .  .            '    |
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|        . . .          '    |
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|              ...      '    |
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|                  .    '    |
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|                      "i"  |
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|                            |
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SR giffed:
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http://robustai.net/mentography/intensionExtension.gif
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The initial problem had to do with "nominal" thinking versus "real" thinking.
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  −
A.  Some maxims of nominal thinking are:
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    1.  "Do not confuse a general name with the name of a general."  (Goodman, I think).
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        In other words:  Just because we find it useful to employ general, plural, or
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        universal terms, that does not mean that there is any such thing as a general
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        property, a plurality such as a set, a universal form or a platonic idea that
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        we are thus talking about, or thereby denoting by means of this general term.
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        In the way that folks used to talk, the practice of really believing in such
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        entities would have been criticized as "reifying an adjective" and so on.
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    2.  Short versions:
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        a.  "Generals are mere names."
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        b.  "Universals are merely signs."
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B.  The real thinker does not see the harm in supposing the existence of objects
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    of thought like abstractions, categories, generalities, intensions, properties,
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    qualities, universals, platonic ideas, and so on.
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Where I came in, I was trying to explore the conditions under which
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it really does appear to be perfectly harmless to talk as if we were
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really talking about such things, and so I picked up the classical
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notions of "general denotation" and "plural reference", examined
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their analogy to function application, and then observed that
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the canonical factorization of functions permits us to invoke
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a realm of intermediate entities without having to wring our
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hands in ontological anxiety about it.  That was Phase One.
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Phase Two was more tentative and tenuous, trying to shove
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these intermediate entities into one or the other or both
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of the established domains, namely, objects and/or signs.
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In mathematics, they usually do not bother with this,
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but just refer to the equivalence classes explicitly.
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Maybe that will turn out to be the best way after all.
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  −
Let's try this:
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  −
x_1  =  cat_1
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x_2  =  cat_2
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x_3  =  cat_3
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  −
Options:
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  −
1.  y  =  "Cat", interpreted as denoting each item of a category.
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          This is the nominal way of interpreting general terms,
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          namely, as applying to each separate member of a group,
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          but without having to posit the group as a whole or
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          any of its qualities as separately existing entities.
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  −
          The nominal option is not to augment the sign relation,
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          but just keep trying to get by with multiple referents.
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  −
2.  y  =  "Cat", interpreted as denoting a category of items.
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          Here, one is asserting that a category is an object
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          in its own right, over and above its items.
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          Here, object i is a new entity like a class or a set.
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3.  y  =  "Catitude", interpreted as denoting a quality that is
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          possessed in common or shared by cat_1, cat_2, cat_3.
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          Here, object i is a new entity like an intension or a property.
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So, in general, it can happen that a use of the string of char "Cat"
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may denote a particular cat, a category of cats, or a catitudiosity.
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==Work Area==
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<pre>
   
The word "intension" has recently come to be stressed in our discussions.
 
The word "intension" has recently come to be stressed in our discussions.
 
As I first learned this word from my reading of Leibniz, I shall take it
 
As I first learned this word from my reading of Leibniz, I shall take it
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analogous to the issue of where to place those other i-words, namely, "idea",
 
analogous to the issue of where to place those other i-words, namely, "idea",
 
capitalized or not, "impresssion", "intelligible concept", and "interpretant".
 
capitalized or not, "impresssion", "intelligible concept", and "interpretant".
</pre>
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==Document History==
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* http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd224.html#02332
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SUO List
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02349.html
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02396.html
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02400.html
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02430.html
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02448.html
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===Factorization Issues (Ontology, Nov&ndash;Dec 2000)===
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01.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02332.html
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02.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02334.html
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03.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02338.html
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04.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02340.html
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05.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02345.html
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06.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02349.html
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07.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02355.html
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08.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02396.html
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09.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02400.html
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10.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02430.html
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11.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg02448.html
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12.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg04334.html
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13.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg04416.html
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14.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07143.html
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15.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07166.html
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16.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07182.html
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17.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07185.html
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18.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07186.html
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* http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/thrd111.html#00007
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# http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg00032.html
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===Factorization Issues (Standard Upper Ontology, Nov 2001)===
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01.  http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg00007.html
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02.  http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg00025.html
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03.  http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg00032.html
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04.  http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg01926.html
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05.  http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg02008.html
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06.  http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg03285.html
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* http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd128.html#07143
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07182.html
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07185.html
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# http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg07186.html
     −
===Factorization Issues (Inquiry, Mar 2005)===
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FI.  Factorization Issues
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* http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-March/thread.html#2495
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00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-March/thread.html#2495
# http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-March/002495.html
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01.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-March/002495.html
# http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-March/002496.html
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02.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-March/002496.html
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03.
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===Factorization And Reification (Inquiry, May 2005)===
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* http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/thread.html#2747
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