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I like this whole centaire thing. The general idea is solid. The businesses, personal pages, and places (BPP) to some extent are all tailor made for "the free directory" I personally believe in the hive mentality to an extent but realize serious restrictions need to be placed so the hive doesn't implode.

I like this whole centaire thing. The general idea is solid. The businesses, personal pages, and places (BPP) to some extent are all tailor made for "the free directory" I personally believe in the hive mentality to an extent but realize serious restrictions need to be placed so the hive doesn't implode.

*''Everything besides BPP is found on wikipedia with a 5 year headstart and tens of millions of edits. I think a good policy for non-BPP is a brief two/three paragraph summary lifted from the opening section of a wikipedia article and cleaned up/sourced. (i.e. I am a boxer, In the future there will hopefully be thousands of other boxers, there should be a central page).''

*Everything besides BPP is found on wikipedia with a 5 year headstart and tens of millions of edits. I think a good policy for non-BPP is a brief two/three paragraph summary lifted from the opening section of a wikipedia article and cleaned up/sourced. (i.e. I am a boxer, In the future there will hopefully be thousands of other boxers, there should be a central page).

:Nothing at Wikipedia can be used as a citation reference (at any level), nor can contributions be monetized (other than embedded Amazon links within referenced article citations) by the copyright holder(s). That means there are significant incentives for contributors to re-purpose content in order to enjoy the benefits of their work. Our objective is to allow users to '''Protect & Promote''' their intellectual property.

:Nothing at Wikipedia can be used as a citation reference (at any level), nor can contributions be monetized (other than embedded Amazon links within referenced article citations) by the copyright holder(s). That means there are significant incentives for contributors to re-purpose content in order to enjoy the benefits of their work. Our objective is to allow users to '''Protect & Promote''' their intellectual property.

:You are absolutely correct about personal interests. As I indicated regarding [[surfing]], anyone tagging an activity/subject as a personal interest can be queried from the subject article; boxing would be no different. However, since Main space articles must adhere to [[NPOV]] (which means no link spam, etc), there is little incentive for authors to contribute. The real play is to develop content within protected directory/user space - this is where virtual communities can be created.

:You are absolutely correct about personal interests. As I indicated regarding [[surfing]], anyone tagging an activity/subject as a personal interest can be queried from the subject article; boxing would be no different. However, since Main space articles must adhere to [[NPOV]] (which means no link spam, etc), there is little incentive for authors to contribute. The real play is to develop content within protected directory/user space - this is where virtual communities can be created. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 12:33, 1 February 2007 (PST)

::Then why not scrap all but the essentials? Have an article on [[Poker]] because people will have that as a common interest but [[Chip Tricks]] - c'mon that is completely superfluous and ripped from a completely superfluous wiki page.  No one can own "chip tricks" or "delaware" or "what have you" creating a fundamental conflict with centiare's purpose. '''However''', Paramount Vantage or Craig Brewster the director could easily own "black snake moan" the new sam jackson flick even though it's  obscure and trivial. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:33, 2 February 2007 (PST)  

::Then why not scrap all but the essentials? Have an article on [[Poker]] because people will have that as a common interest but [[Chip Tricks]] - c'mon that is completely superfluous and ripped from a completely superfluous wiki page.  No one can own "chip tricks" or "delaware" or "what have you" creating a fundamental conflict with centiare's purpose. '''However''', Paramount Vantage or Craig Brewster the director could easily own "black snake moan" the new sam jackson flick even though it's  obscure and trivial. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:33, 2 February 2007 (PST)

*''Can you legally display copyrighted images without a fair use tag?''

 

*Can you legally display copyrighted images without a fair use tag?

:Copyrighted content needs to be controlled by the copyright holder.

:Copyrighted content needs to be controlled by the copyright holder.

*''this site promotes the POV so here I go. You're business model is flawed. The Ads on centiare weaken the overall feel immensely putting the site dangerously close to a geocite/xanga. Instead, go on attack of the show a few more times, get interviewed my a magazine. Once a base of 50,000 (just throwing out a number) members join charge 4.99 for a personal page and 19.99 for a business. You're selling this site, make it cool to have a page. Ipods are no better than roxio players but which one is cool? Exactly. Down the road I see Centiare:The <s> free </s> Directory''

*this site promotes the POV so here I go. You're business model is flawed. The Ads on centiare weaken the overall feel immensely putting the site dangerously close to a geocite/xanga. Instead, go on attack of the show a few more times, get interviewed my a magazine. Once a base of 50,000 (just throwing out a number) members join charge 4.99 for a personal page and 19.99 for a business. You're selling this site, make it cool to have a page. Ipods are no better than roxio players but which one is cool? Exactly. Down the road I see Centiare:The <s> free </s> Directory

:Ads are included at the discretion of users; they aren't placed there by Centiare. Monthly billings are so Web1.0 - think Web3.0. That means transactions.  

:Monthly billings are so Web1.0 - think Web3.0. That means transactions.

:: Transactions, intriging. I found a guy much smarter than me expounding this on a blog.  

:: Transactions, intriging. I found a guy much smarter than me expounding this on a blog.  

:::''“I have a dream for the Web [in which computers] become capable of analyzing all the data on the Web – the content, links, and transactions between people and computers. A ‘Semantic Web’, which should make this possible, has yet to emerge, but when it does, the day-to-day mechanisms of trade, bureaucracy and our daily lives will be handled by machines talking to machines. The ‘intelligent agents’ people have touted for ages will finally materialize.”'' - Tim Berners-Lee (Sounds good)

::''“I have a dream for the Web [in which computers] become capable of analyzing all the data on the Web – the content, links, and transactions between people and computers. A ‘Semantic Web’, which should make this possible, has yet to emerge, but when it does, the day-to-day mechanisms of trade, bureaucracy and our daily lives will be handled by machines talking to machines. The ‘intelligent agents’ people have touted for ages will finally materialize.”'' - Tim Berners-Lee (Sounds good)

 

 

Ads are included at the discretion of users; they aren't placed there by Centiare. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:59, 2 February 2007 (PST)

::I still think the ads look cheap. Maybe look into embedding them into the wiki deeper so they feel natural; like they've always been there. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:33, 2 February 2007 (PST)

:I still think the ads look cheap. Maybe look into embedding them into the wiki deeper so they feel natural; like they've always been there.

*''(Again no offense) The internet is littered with the bodies of dead or mentally retarded wikis.    The winner (only wikipedia so far) and losers are seperated by a very fine line. Centaire is at a point were it will either exponentially increase or falter and become a blip on archive.org. I don't want to see blipage.''

::Maybe so - ultimately, it's the users' choice. If it looks cheap, then perhaps their commercial efforts will be impacted.

 

 

*(Again no offense) The internet is littered with the bodies of dead or mentally retarded wikis.    The winner (only wikipedia so far) and losers are seperated by a very fine line. Centaire is at a point were it will either exponentially increase or falter and become a blip on archive.org. I don't want to see blipage.

:Neither do we.

:Neither do we.

*''On to the fun stuff - Hard hitting financial questions (not to pry, just help) - Is this for-profit or non-profit? With the ads I'm assuming for profit. Servers are expensive. Hell, one image server can be 20K. Do you have venture capital supporting you? Angel investor or firm? When cash flow dries up everything dries up. At this stage centiare is still so small the servers are probably not too much of a problem but expand a few terabytes and its a different story.''

 

*On to the fun stuff - Hard hitting financial questions (not to pry, just help) - Is this for-profit or non-profit? With the ads I'm assuming for profit. Servers are expensive. Hell, one image server can be 20K. Do you have venture capital supporting you? Angel investor or firm? When cash flow dries up everything dries up. At this stage centiare is still so small the servers are probably not too much of a problem but expand a few terabytes and its a different story.

 

:Actually, bandwidth & servers are incredibly inexpensive. There's a reason the Foundation is running 50% margins.

:Actually, bandwidth & servers are incredibly inexpensive. There's a reason the Foundation is running  50% margins.

::Really, I underestimated Sun micro, oracle, the dell/hp/etcs, and Al Gore's ability to make the internet so affordable.

::Really, I underestimated Sun micro, oracle, the dell/hp/etcs, and Al Gore's ability to make the internet so affordable. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:33, 2 February 2007 (PST)

:::When non-profits make money, it's called ''change in net assets''. [[Directory:Wikimedia_Foundation|(See for yourself.)]] So, young grasshopper, let this lesson not be lost on you as you embark upon your business career.

To conclude. I envision a facebook, wikipedia, business profile hybrid becoming a dominant force of the internet. Dominant = putting the kids through college, and of course a porsche 911 turbo with chrono package. I am an experienced wiki editor with 4 investment experience ranging from unit investment trusts to exchange traded funds (and an IQ of 139). Getting in on the ground floor of something big would be beneficial for my dream of a house in the hills and a trophy wife. I'm here to help. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 15:44, 1 February 2007 (PST)

To conclude. I envision a facebook, wikipedia, business profile hybrid becoming a dominant force of the internet. Dominant = putting the kids through college, and of course a porsche 911 turbo with chrono package. I am an experienced wiki editor with 4 investment experience ranging from unit investment trusts to exchange traded funds (and an IQ of 139). Getting in on the ground floor of something big would be beneficial for my dream of a house in the hills and a trophy wife. I'm here to help. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 15:44, 1 February 2007 (PST)

:Let's talk. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 18:25, 1 February 2007 (PST)

:Let's talk. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 18:25, 1 February 2007 (PST)

::Let's [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:33, 2 February 2007 (PST)

::Let's [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:33, 2 February 2007 (PST)