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, 15:49, 9 October 2008→Haiduc strange comments September 30 2008
On adding a section to the List of Historical Pederastic Couples, Nandesuka looks at what the sources say, which all say that Montgomery had strong, non-sexual relationships with boys [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242019112&oldid=242016082]. Haiduc replies with "what does sex have to do with it?"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242104971&oldid=242021030], which implies that any man who has a close, non-sexual relationship with an under-aged boy is probably really a pederast. Another editors says that if that's all there is to it, then the list is probably meaningless[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242118711&oldid=242114606]. Haiduc replies by saying that it is irrelevant what editors think pederasty is, which implies that his position is the objective one[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242134631&oldid=242119238]. Squeakbox turns the mirror back towards Haiduc...[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242136118&oldid=242134631]. Haiduc says that he wasn't including himself in his statement and that his position is the "scientific" one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242158133&oldid=242150170]. Another editor brings up "child-grooming"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242170536&oldid=242164360]....and this comment is removed by an admin[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242185862&oldid=242170536]. The same sort of process is currently happening at "Theban Pederasty". I don't see how this can be allowed to continue, one way or the other....
On adding a section to the List of Historical Pederastic Couples, Nandesuka looks at what the sources say, which all say that Montgomery had strong, non-sexual relationships with boys [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242019112&oldid=242016082]. Haiduc replies with "what does sex have to do with it?"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242104971&oldid=242021030], which implies that any man who has a close, non-sexual relationship with an under-aged boy is probably really a pederast. Another editors says that if that's all there is to it, then the list is probably meaningless[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242118711&oldid=242114606]. Haiduc replies by saying that it is irrelevant what editors think pederasty is, which implies that his position is the objective one[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242134631&oldid=242119238]. Squeakbox turns the mirror back towards Haiduc...[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242136118&oldid=242134631]. Haiduc says that he wasn't including himself in his statement and that his position is the "scientific" one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242158133&oldid=242150170]. Another editor brings up "child-grooming"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242170536&oldid=242164360]....and this comment is removed by an admin[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_pederastic_couples&diff=242185862&oldid=242170536]. The same sort of process is currently happening at "Theban Pederasty". I don't see how this can be allowed to continue, one way or the other....
=== More by Haiduc: Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity ===
The Yonge translation
:And Heraclides was so much deceived that he took some passages out of one of his works, and cited them as the words of Sophocles; and Dionysius, when he perceived it, gave him notice of the real truth; and as he would not believe it, and denied it, he sent him word to examine the first letters of the first verses of the book, and they formed the name of Panculus, who was [b]a friend[/b] of Dionysius. [http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/diogenes/dlheraclides.htm]
As edited by Haiduc:
:And Heraclides was so much deceived that he took some passages out of one of his works, and cited them as the words of Sophocles; and Dionysius, when he perceived it, gave him notice of the real truth; and as he would not believe it, and denied it, he sent him word to examine the first letters of the first verses of the book, and they formed the name of Panculus, who was [b]an eromenos[/b] of Dionysius.."<nowiki><ref></nowiki>THE LIVES AND OPINIONS OF EMINENT PHILOSOPHERS BY DIOGENES LAERTIUS, TRANSLATED BY C.D. YONGE. "LIFE OF HERACLIDES" VII<nowiki></ref></nowiki> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=199748762&oldid=199744407]
Other miscitations appear to be (but I need to check further)
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244043425&oldid=244042289],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244042289&oldid=244040900],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244040900&oldid=244038744],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244038744&oldid=244037678],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244037678&oldid=244036098],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244036098&oldid=244035911],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244035911&oldid=244032578],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244032578&oldid=244031541],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pederastic_relationships_in_classical_antiquity&diff=244031541&oldid=244030066]
== VigilancePrime ==
== VigilancePrime ==
