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*'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''' on events post [[World War Two]] in Yugoslavia:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''British commanders refused to accept their surrender and handed them over to the Partisans, who took a merciless revenge. Tens of thousands, including many civilians, were subsequently slaughtered on forced marches and in death camps.''<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/143561/Croatia|title=Croatia." '''Encyclopædia Britannica.''' Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Mon. 10 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-10}}</ref>}}

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{{quote|''British commanders refused to accept their surrender and handed them over to the Partisans, who took a merciless revenge. Tens of thousands, including many civilians, were subsequently slaughtered on forced marches and in death camps.''<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/143561/Croatia|title=Croatia." '''Encyclopædia Britannica.''' Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Mon. 10 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-10}}</ref>}}

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*'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''': {{~~Cquote~~|''After the armistice the British repatriated more than 10,000 Slovene collaborators who had attempted to retreat with the Germans, and [[Directory:Josip Broz Tito|Tito]] had most of them massacred at the infamous Pits of Kocevje''.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/549081/Slovenia|title="Slovenia." '''Encyclopædia Britannica'''. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Mon. 10 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-10}}</ref>}}

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*'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''': {{quote|''After the armistice the British repatriated more than 10,000 Slovene collaborators who had attempted to retreat with the Germans, and [[Directory:Josip Broz Tito|Tito]] had most of them massacred at the infamous Pits of Kocevje''.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/549081/Slovenia|title="Slovenia." '''Encyclopædia Britannica'''. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Mon. 10 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-10}}</ref>}}

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* Vladimir Geiger of the [[Croatia|Croatian]] Institute for History statement concerning Yugoslavia post World War Two:{{~~Cquote~~|''The list of German victims includes 26,000 women and 5,800 children who died in [[Talk:Titoism and Totalitarianism|Yugoslav Camps]]''- Geiger said.<ref>Newcomers Network: German Mass Grave Sheds New Light on Close of World War Two. </ref><ref>[http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/features/article_1619890.php/German-mass-grave-sheds-new-light-on-close-of-World-War-Two- M & C News: Feature German mass grave sheds new light on close of World War Two (Feature) By Boris Raseta Feb 17, 2011, 2:06 GMT ]</ref>}}

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* Vladimir Geiger of the [[Croatia|Croatian]] Institute for History statement concerning Yugoslavia post World War Two:{{quote|''The list of German victims includes 26,000 women and 5,800 children who died in [[Talk:Titoism and Totalitarianism|Yugoslav Camps]]''- Geiger said.<ref>Newcomers Network: German Mass Grave Sheds New Light on Close of World War Two. </ref><ref>[http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/features/article_1619890.php/German-mass-grave-sheds-new-light-on-close-of-World-War-Two- M & C News: Feature German mass grave sheds new light on close of World War Two (Feature) By Boris Raseta Feb 17, 2011, 2:06 GMT ]</ref>}}

Additionally there is the ethnic cleansing of [[Directory:Germany|Germans]] and [[Italy|Italians]] of the former Yugoslavia. <ref> Encyclopedia of Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity, Volume 3 by Dinah Shelton Macmillan Reference, 2005 - Political Science (p.1170) </ref><ref>[http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/yugoslavia www.enotes.com "Yugoslavia." Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity. Ed. Dinah L. Shelton. Gale Cengage, 2005. eNotes.com. 2006. 26 Jun, 2010 ] Yugoslavia: Genocide & Crimes Against Humanity-Mark Thompson.

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Where are the '''ethical''' and moral issues involved in creating a feel good story about Dictator Josip Broz Tito. Why is Wikipedia supporting a biased dated view of a regime that was responsible for executing mass murders, arrests and torture? Is Wikipedia taking on a darker tone?

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* Statement by a Wikipedian Editor DIREKTOR (21 October 2009):{{~~Cquote~~| ''However, as was pointed out to this persistent POV-pusher on numerous, numerous occasions by many users: they have absolutely nothing to do with Josip Broz Tito'' <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_9#Summary_of_Josip_Broz_Tito_Article Wikipedia-Neutral point of view/Noticeboard:] Archive 9. Summary of Josip Broz Tito Article</ref>}}

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* Statement by a Wikipedian Editor DIREKTOR (21 October 2009):{{quote| ''However, as was pointed out to this persistent POV-pusher on numerous, numerous occasions by many users: they have absolutely nothing to do with Josip Broz Tito'' <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_9#Summary_of_Josip_Broz_Tito_Article Wikipedia-Neutral point of view/Noticeboard:] Archive 9. Summary of Josip Broz Tito Article</ref>}}

Wikipedian Editor DIREKTOR tried to remove [[Josip Broz Tito]] from Wikipedia's article "''List of dictators"'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_dictators&diff=443063560&oldid=443063505 /'''Link'''], and is trying to create the falsehood that a mass murdering executioner was a Benevolent dictator (his speciality is totalitarian communist spin).

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*Here is a historic quote from [[Bleiburg Massacre and Wikipedia#Aleksandar Rankovic|Aleksandar Rankovic]], the '''Interior Minister''' and the head of the military and secret police of Yugoslavia at a Belgrade meeting stated: {{~~Cquote~~|''Through our prisons has passed between 1945 and 1951, 3 777 776 prisoners, while we killed 586 000 enemies of the people.'' <ref>[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7laAd_LLA6YJ:www.hic.hr/images/komunisticke-zlocinci-nisu-antifasizma.pdf+Zločina+počinjenih+od+strane+totalitarnih+režima+su+izvješća+i+postupak+Europske+javne+rasprave+u+organizaciji+slovenskog+predsjedništva+Vijeća&cd=4&hl=hr&ct=clnk&lr=lang_hr&source=www.google.com Communist Crime is not Antifascism] Released on International Human Rights Day, 10 DECEMBER 2008. On behalf of the participants in public meetings Maja Runje, a member of the Steering Committee- Zagreb (p. 19). Article is in Croatian: ''KOMUNISTIČKI ZLOČINI NISU ANTIFAŠIZAM POVODOM MEĐUNARODNOG DANA LJUDSKIH PRAVA,10. PROSINCA 2008. U ime sudionika javnog okupljanja Maja Runje, članica Koordinacijskog odbora Kruga za trg10 000 Zagreb, Jurjevska 47a (str. 19)'' </ref> Taken from ''Politika'', Belgrade/1 February 1951 (p.1) }}

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*Here is a historic quote from [[Bleiburg Massacre and Wikipedia#Aleksandar Rankovic|Aleksandar Rankovic]], the '''Interior Minister''' and the head of the military and secret police of Yugoslavia at a Belgrade meeting stated: {{quote|''Through our prisons has passed between 1945 and 1951, 3 777 776 prisoners, while we killed 586 000 enemies of the people.'' <ref>[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7laAd_LLA6YJ:www.hic.hr/images/komunisticke-zlocinci-nisu-antifasizma.pdf+Zločina+počinjenih+od+strane+totalitarnih+režima+su+izvješća+i+postupak+Europske+javne+rasprave+u+organizaciji+slovenskog+predsjedništva+Vijeća&cd=4&hl=hr&ct=clnk&lr=lang_hr&source=www.google.com Communist Crime is not Antifascism] Released on International Human Rights Day, 10 DECEMBER 2008. On behalf of the participants in public meetings Maja Runje, a member of the Steering Committee- Zagreb (p. 19). Article is in Croatian: ''KOMUNISTIČKI ZLOČINI NISU ANTIFAŠIZAM POVODOM MEĐUNARODNOG DANA LJUDSKIH PRAVA,10. PROSINCA 2008. U ime sudionika javnog okupljanja Maja Runje, članica Koordinacijskog odbora Kruga za trg10 000 Zagreb, Jurjevska 47a (str. 19)'' </ref> Taken from ''Politika'', Belgrade/1 February 1951 (p.1) }}

[[File:800px-Barbara-rov IMG 0877.jpg|thumb|right|305px|Barbara Rov-[[Slovenia]]."One of the many massacre sites"]]

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'''Jutarnji''' wrote on the 01/10/2009 - '''100 000 Victims In 581 Mass Graves''':

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{{~~Cquote~~|''In Slovenia, three basic books came out needed for the study of communist crimes in the immediate post-war period. It specifies graves where liquidation and execution of prisoners of war were carried out in its territory.''

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{{quote|''In Slovenia, three basic books came out needed for the study of communist crimes in the immediate post-war period. It specifies graves where liquidation and execution of prisoners of war were carried out in its territory.''

''This is a report by the Commission of the Government of the Republic of Slovenia for testing grave sites under the leadership of Joze Dezman and the historian Mitja Ferenc (author of ''Hidden in his Father Zakrito'' & Prikrita Grobišča 60 Let po Koncu Druge Svetovne Vojne). The report of the Commission of the Government specifies the number of mass graves and victims and their nationality.''

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* Skofja Loka (p.154)

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* ''In this paper, the author deals with concentration and labour camps established in [[Slovenia]] (a former republic of Yugoslavia) under Communist rule after the end of the war in Slovenia in 1945. Concentration camps were established already in May 1945 and were filled with members of the German and Hungarian national minorities, captured members of the Slovenian Home-guard (“domobranstvo”) and members of military units from other Yugoslav regions who fought against the partisans.''

*''The treatment of internees in these camps was as cruel as in the Nazi concentration camps. In certain Communist concentration camps, for example, such as the camp in Teharje and at the Bishop’s institutes (Skofovi zavodi) in St. Vid nad Ljubljano, the great majority of internees were killed without any trial. In the autumn of 1945, concentration camps in Slovenia were abolished.''

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Posted on June 22, 2009 by Jernej Letnar Cernic</ref> organised by the Slovenian Presidency of the Council of the [[European Union]] (January–June 2008) and the '''European Commission''',<ref>[http://europa.eu/institutions/inst/comm/index_en.htm The European Commission:]

*"The '''Commission''' is independent of national governments. Its job is to represent and uphold the interests of the EU as a whole. It drafts proposals for new European laws, which it presents to the European Parliament and the Council. It is also the EU’s executive arm – in other words, it is responsible for implementing the decisions of Parliament and the Council. That means managing the day-to-day business of the '''European Union''': implementing its policies, running its programmes and spending its funds. Like the Parliament and Council, the European Commission was set up in the 1950s under the EU’s founding treaties."</ref> stated the following concerning the former Yugoslavia:

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''Let us mention briefly Fascism, National Socialism and [[Directory:Josip Broz Tito|Titoism]] in Italy, Austria and Slovenia (a former republic of Yugoslavia). Three Christian nations, with nationalist tendencies, were infected with totalitarianism. The descent into barbarism has comparable structural elements:'' <ref>[http://www.mp.gov.si/fileadmin/mp.gov.si/pageuploads/2005/PDF/publikacije/Crimes_committed_by_Totalitarian_Regimes.pdf '''European Public Hearing''' on “Crimes Committed by Totalitarian Regimes"] Reports and proceedings of the 8 April European public hearing on “Crimes committed

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*''Property was confiscated, inhabitants were expelled from Slovenia/Yugoslavia and their residences, political and show trials were carried out, religion was repressed and the Catholic Church and its clergy were persecuted. At the beginning of the 1950s, [[Communists|Communist]] rule in Slovenia abandoned these forms of repression but was ready to reapply them if it felt threatened.''

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'''Note''': The Reforms in Yugoslavia After 1948 by Fred Warner Neal. Page 214. Second chapter, stated: <ref>[http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4t5gBayTeDQC&pg=PA214&dq=Yugoslavia+Totalitarian+state&hl=en&ei=CJ_eS7HuF8uLkAXJxd3PBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=Yugoslavia%20Totalitarian%20state&f=false Titoism in Action: The Reforms in Yugoslavia After 1948] ''by'' Fred Warner Neal. (p214)</ref>

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{{~~Cquote~~|''In a totalitarian state,<ref> '''Totalitarian Dictatorship and Autocracy''' by Carl Joachim Friedrich & Zbigniew Brzezinski:

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{{quote|''In a totalitarian state,<ref> '''Totalitarian Dictatorship and Autocracy''' by Carl Joachim Friedrich & Zbigniew Brzezinski:

*"Characteristics of a totalitarian regime; a total ideology, a '''single mass party''', a terrorist secret police, a monopoly of mass communication, all instruments to wage combat are in the control of the same hands, and a centrally directed planned economy. Totalitarian dictatorships emerge after the seizure of power by the leaders of a movement who have developed support for an ideology. The point when the government becomes totalitarian is when the leadership uses open and legal violence to maintain its control. The dictator demands unanimous devotion from the people and often uses a real or imaginary enemy to create a threat so the people rally around him."</ref> personal freedom and human rights invariably most at the hands of unrestrianed police activity. That Yugoslavia was no exception was admitted by [[Bleiburg Massacre and Wikipedia#Aleksandar Rankovic|Aleksandar Rankovic]], himself head of secret police or State Security Administration. This organization is known in Yugoslavia as UDBA''.}}

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'''Wikipedia's''' point of view: Yugoslavia-[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia#Ethnic_tensions_and_economic_crisis ''Link'']:{{quote|

* ''The post-World War II Yugoslavia was in many respects a model of how to build a multinational state.''

* ''The ethnic violence was only ended when the multiethnic Yugoslav Partisans took over the country at the end of the war and banned nationalism from being publicly promoted''. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia#Ethnic_tensions_and_economic_crisis|title=Wikipedia: Yugoslavia, 2011. Mon. 10 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-10}}</ref>}}

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[[File:454px-StalinPortrait.jpg|thumb|right||150px|Marshal of the Soviet Union '''Joseph Stalin'''. [[Josip Broz Tito|Josip Broz Tito's]] ''Cult of Personality'' was based on Comrade Stalin.]]

The article doesn't even mention Josip Broz Tito's ''Cult of Personality'':<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=Mi9b2yenE0kC&pg=PA91&dq=cult+of+personality+Josip+broz+tito&client=safari&cd=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false Governing by Committee:] Collegial Leadership in Advanced Societies by Thomas A. Baylis. Communist Collective Leadership, (p91)</ref><ref>Government Leaders, Military Rulers and Political Activists: An Encyclopaedia of People Who Changed the World (Lives & Legacies Series)-By David W. Del Testa, Florence Lemoine & John Strickland/ Legacy Chapter (p181)</ref>

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{{~~Cquote~~|''Virtually every communist system extinct or surviving at one point or another, had a supreme leader who was both extraordinarily powerful and surrounded by a bizarre cult, indeed worshipped. In the past (or in more traditional contemporary societies) such cults were reserved for deities and associated with conventional religious behaviour and institutions. These cults although apparently an intrinsic part of communist dictatorships (at any rate at a stage in their evolution) are largely forgotten today.''

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{{quote|''Virtually every communist system extinct or surviving at one point or another, had a supreme leader who was both extraordinarily powerful and surrounded by a bizarre cult, indeed worshipped. In the past (or in more traditional contemporary societies) such cults were reserved for deities and associated with conventional religious behaviour and institutions. These cults although apparently an intrinsic part of communist dictatorships (at any rate at a stage in their evolution) are largely forgotten today.''

''Stalin, Maio, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Sung, Enver Hoxha, Ceascesu, Dimitrov, Ulbricht, Gottwald, [[Directory:Josip Broz Tito|Tito]] and others all were the object of such cults. The prototypical cult was that of Stalin which was duplicated elsewhere with minor variations''. <ref> Discontents: Post-modern and Post-communist by Paul Hollander. (p377)</ref> }}

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Factual statements on economic realities of Josip Broz and his fellow Communists:

*'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''' states:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''He knew that the Serbs, [[Croatia|Croats]], [[Slovenia|Slovenes]], and others could not be integrated within some new supranation, nor would they willingly accept the hegemony of any of their number; yet his supranational Yugoslavism frequently smacked of unitarism. He promoted self-management but never gave up on the party’s monopoly of power. He permitted broad freedoms in science, art, and culture that were unheard of in the Soviet bloc, but he kept excoriating the West. He preached peaceful coexistence but built an army that, in 1991, delivered the coup de grace to the dying Yugoslav state. At his death, the state treasury was empty and political opportunists unchecked. He died too late for constructive change, too early to prevent chaos.''<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/597295/Josip-Broz-Tito|title='''"Josip Broz Tito."''' '''Encyclopædia Britannica'''. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Sat. 08 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-08}}</ref> }}

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{{quote|''He knew that the Serbs, [[Croatia|Croats]], [[Slovenia|Slovenes]], and others could not be integrated within some new supranation, nor would they willingly accept the hegemony of any of their number; yet his supranational Yugoslavism frequently smacked of unitarism. He promoted self-management but never gave up on the party’s monopoly of power. He permitted broad freedoms in science, art, and culture that were unheard of in the Soviet bloc, but he kept excoriating the West. He preached peaceful coexistence but built an army that, in 1991, delivered the coup de grace to the dying Yugoslav state. At his death, the state treasury was empty and political opportunists unchecked. He died too late for constructive change, too early to prevent chaos.''<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/597295/Josip-Broz-Tito|title='''"Josip Broz Tito."''' '''Encyclopædia Britannica'''. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, 2011. Sat. 08 Jan. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-01-08}}</ref> }}

*'''BBC''' UK/History by Tim Judah:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''Tito's Yugoslavia also gained enormous prestige as a founder of the non-aligned movement, which aimed to find a place in world politics for countries that did not want to stand foursquare behind either of the two superpowers. Despite all this, and although there was much substance to Tito's Yugoslavia, much was illusion too. The economy was built on the shaky foundations of massive western loans. Even liberal communism had its limits, as did the very nature of the federation. Stirrings of nationalist dissent in Croatia and Kosovo were crushed. The federation worked because in reality the voice of only one man counted - that of Tito himself.'' <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/yugoslavia_03.shtml|title='''BBC-History''' by Tim Judah|}}</ref>}}

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{{quote|''Tito's Yugoslavia also gained enormous prestige as a founder of the non-aligned movement, which aimed to find a place in world politics for countries that did not want to stand foursquare behind either of the two superpowers. Despite all this, and although there was much substance to Tito's Yugoslavia, much was illusion too. The economy was built on the shaky foundations of massive western loans. Even liberal communism had its limits, as did the very nature of the federation. Stirrings of nationalist dissent in Croatia and Kosovo were crushed. The federation worked because in reality the voice of only one man counted - that of Tito himself.'' <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/yugoslavia_03.shtml|title='''BBC-History''' by Tim Judah|}}</ref>}}

*'''Ivo Goldstein''' 'Croatia A History':

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*''Self-management as system was only slightly more efficient than the Soviet model. It was bureaucratised and cumbersome and could not compete with Western economies. People could obtain so much free or for less than the market price (e.g. apartments) that they could be obtain without work. All this made the settling of accounts in the 1980s and in the post-socialist age more difficult.''

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One fellow Wikipedian Editor finds somethings just don't add up:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''The problem is that DIREKTOR is seeing his highly biased version that he defended by all means in all these articles being replaced by correct interpretations of sources, thus all the panic now. A way to demonstrate this highly biased approach by him can be confirmed by his insistent way of describing the issue purposely as "obscure". After all we are dealing with a major resistance movement in the entire region, that, yes, did had its difficulties trough-out the war. But DIREKTOR seems unable to separate his personal feelings here... and that is a BIG problem, joined by his highly manipulative and rude manner of discussing these sensitive issues. A clear disruption in my view, but unfortunately and amazingly, DIREKTOR has been forgiven always because of some strange reasons...''}}

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{{quote|''The problem is that DIREKTOR is seeing his highly biased version that he defended by all means in all these articles being replaced by correct interpretations of sources, thus all the panic now. A way to demonstrate this highly biased approach by him can be confirmed by his insistent way of describing the issue purposely as "obscure". After all we are dealing with a major resistance movement in the entire region, that, yes, did had its difficulties trough-out the war. But DIREKTOR seems unable to separate his personal feelings here... and that is a BIG problem, joined by his highly manipulative and rude manner of discussing these sensitive issues. A clear disruption in my view, but unfortunately and amazingly, DIREKTOR has been forgiven always because of some strange reasons...''}}

Another fellow Wikipedian Editor finds something is not quite right with the Dictator's article:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''Sorry but your #1 (non-local) is the definition of WP:BIAS (speaking of locals - Dizdar is quoted in the article - I've actually downloaded his paper and what he says doesn't resemble what his research is being used to support here), and your #4 is very debatable since everyone (and by "everyone" I mean scholars both in the region and abroad, the general public, history textbooks, popular media and the like) consider Tito to be synonymous with Yugoslavia, the country where he was the ultimate authority on all matters, including being the country's prime minister, president, defence minister and/or commander-in-chief. When they talk about Yugoslavia's accomplishments they call them "Tito's accomplishments" and when they talk about atrocities they talk about "Tito's atrocities". Insisting that reliable authors must provide proof of his direct involvement in something is in direct opposition with WP:OR. Tito is synonymous with the regime he led for better or worse just like Hitler is synonymous with Nazi Germany or Ante Pavelić with NDH or Nicolae Ceausescu with communist [[Romania]]. That's what Slovenian Constitutional Court's ruling said, that's what historians say and that's what the public thinks. The only difference is that his fans focus only on regime's good things and his critics on its bad things. But nobody opposes the idea that it was all him. But the issue remains that this article does not touch on any negative thing at all. So how is a reader going to make sense of the court ruling?''}}

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{{quote|''Sorry but your #1 (non-local) is the definition of WP:BIAS (speaking of locals - Dizdar is quoted in the article - I've actually downloaded his paper and what he says doesn't resemble what his research is being used to support here), and your #4 is very debatable since everyone (and by "everyone" I mean scholars both in the region and abroad, the general public, history textbooks, popular media and the like) consider Tito to be synonymous with Yugoslavia, the country where he was the ultimate authority on all matters, including being the country's prime minister, president, defence minister and/or commander-in-chief. When they talk about Yugoslavia's accomplishments they call them "Tito's accomplishments" and when they talk about atrocities they talk about "Tito's atrocities". Insisting that reliable authors must provide proof of his direct involvement in something is in direct opposition with WP:OR. Tito is synonymous with the regime he led for better or worse just like Hitler is synonymous with Nazi Germany or Ante Pavelić with NDH or Nicolae Ceausescu with communist [[Romania]]. That's what Slovenian Constitutional Court's ruling said, that's what historians say and that's what the public thinks. The only difference is that his fans focus only on regime's good things and his critics on its bad things. But nobody opposes the idea that it was all him. But the issue remains that this article does not touch on any negative thing at all. So how is a reader going to make sense of the court ruling?''}}

==== The Slovenia Times Article====

Below is taken from The Slovenia Times article "Naming Street After Tito Unconstitutional":

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{{quote|''The name Tito does not only symbolise the liberation of the territory of present-day Slovenia from fascist occupation in WWII as claimed by the other party in the case, but also grave violations of human rights and basic freedoms, especially in the decade following WWII.''}}

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{{~~Cquote~~|''The Constitutional Court has ruled unanimously that the 2009 decision of the Ljubljana City Council to name a street in the capital after former communist leader Josip Broz Tito (1892-1980) is unconstitutional.'' <ref>[http://www.sloveniatimes.com/naming-street-after-tito-unconstitutional The Slovenia Times]: Naming Street After Tito Unconstitutional</ref>}}

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{{quote|''The Constitutional Court has ruled unanimously that the 2009 decision of the Ljubljana City Council to name a street in the capital after former communist leader Josip Broz Tito (1892-1980) is unconstitutional.'' <ref>[http://www.sloveniatimes.com/naming-street-after-tito-unconstitutional The Slovenia Times]: Naming Street After Tito Unconstitutional</ref>}}

== Testimony-Eye Witness ==

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*Josip Zoretic - Political prisoner of the former Yugoslavia's most notorious prison, [http://www.goliotok.com/ Goli Otok:Yugoslavia’s Evil Island-Gulag:]

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{{~~Cquote~~| ''Hell in the Adriatic is the true story of Josip Zoretic's tragic experience and survival as a political prisoner of the former Yugoslavia's most notorious prison, Goli Otok, and the circumstances that led to his imprisonment. He provides a first hand account of the island prison labor camp from 1962-1969 that institutionalized a system of repression and enslavement against those who opposed the communist regime and the spread of greater Serbian authority. It is a rare detailed description of the evil and horrors that happened on Goli Otok.''}}

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{{quote| ''Hell in the Adriatic is the true story of Josip Zoretic's tragic experience and survival as a political prisoner of the former Yugoslavia's most notorious prison, Goli Otok, and the circumstances that led to his imprisonment. He provides a first hand account of the island prison labor camp from 1962-1969 that institutionalized a system of repression and enslavement against those who opposed the communist regime and the spread of greater Serbian authority. It is a rare detailed description of the evil and horrors that happened on Goli Otok.''}}

* Vera Winter – Economist/Political prisoner of the former Yugoslavia's most notorious prison, Goli Otok: [[BBC|BBC 4]]

* Alfred Pal - Artist/Political prisoner of the former Yugoslavia's most notorious prison, Goli Otok: BBC 4

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*Frank Waddams a British Government representative who had lived outside of Belgrade, said:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''He knew first hand of ten [[Talk:Titoism and Totalitarianism|concentration camps]] and had talked with inmates from nearly all of them. “ The tale is always the same, he said “ Starvation, overcrowding, brutality and death condition, which make Dachau and Buchenwald mild by comparison. Many Slovenes who were released from Dachau at the end of the war came home only to find themselves in a Slovene camp within a few days. It is from these people that the news has come that the camps are worse than Dachau.” Out of a Slovene population of 1,200,000, Waddams believes that 20,000 to 30,000 were imprisoned.''<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=N1j1QdPMockC&pg=PA354&lpg=PA354&dq=Frank+Waddams,+a+British+representative+who+had+lived+outside+of+Belgrade&source=bl&ots=0ogZwcLZau&sig=fTZXy1TLYBQBJnbyYCoeyZ61ABw&hl=en&ei=e13IStXNJZiQ6APPjMXKDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=Frank%20Waddams%2C%20%20British%20representative%20who%20had%20lived%20outside%20of%20Belgrade&f=false Frank Waddams, a British representative in the former Yugoslavia] Death by Government by R. J. Rummel. (p354)</ref>}}

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{{quote|''He knew first hand of ten [[Talk:Titoism and Totalitarianism|concentration camps]] and had talked with inmates from nearly all of them. “ The tale is always the same, he said “ Starvation, overcrowding, brutality and death condition, which make Dachau and Buchenwald mild by comparison. Many Slovenes who were released from Dachau at the end of the war came home only to find themselves in a Slovene camp within a few days. It is from these people that the news has come that the camps are worse than Dachau.” Out of a Slovene population of 1,200,000, Waddams believes that 20,000 to 30,000 were imprisoned.''<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=N1j1QdPMockC&pg=PA354&lpg=PA354&dq=Frank+Waddams,+a+British+representative+who+had+lived+outside+of+Belgrade&source=bl&ots=0ogZwcLZau&sig=fTZXy1TLYBQBJnbyYCoeyZ61ABw&hl=en&ei=e13IStXNJZiQ6APPjMXKDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=Frank%20Waddams%2C%20%20British%20representative%20who%20had%20lived%20outside%20of%20Belgrade&f=false Frank Waddams, a British representative in the former Yugoslavia] Death by Government by R. J. Rummel. (p354)</ref>}}

*British Consulate, Ljubljana to British Ambassador Belgrade, 22 August 1947- concerning post World War Two political trials:

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{{~~Cquote~~|''A brief reading of the newspaper reports, however, will suffice to make it clear that the trial was first and foremost a gigantic political propaganda stunt whose double aim was first to show Britain and America as the irreconcilable enemies of the new Yugoslavia, and second, finally to frighten off anyone who might still think that it is possible to associate with officials of the Western countries and get away with it.''<ref>Crimes committed by totalitarian regimes Appendices/Appendix A: Foreign office documents on the 1947 show trial:

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{{quote|''A brief reading of the newspaper reports, however, will suffice to make it clear that the trial was first and foremost a gigantic political propaganda stunt whose double aim was first to show Britain and America as the irreconcilable enemies of the new Yugoslavia, and second, finally to frighten off anyone who might still think that it is possible to associate with officials of the Western countries and get away with it.''<ref>Crimes committed by totalitarian regimes Appendices/Appendix A: Foreign office documents on the 1947 show trial:

* From Foreign Office to Belgrade, 15 August 1947 '''Waddams''', vice-consul Ljubljana 1945, considers he may be the diplomatic representative referred to in the trial, as both Furlan and Sirc were the only people who helped him to get the Ljubljana consulate going when he first opened it. He considers this the probable reason for their sentence. (p143)</ref> }}

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* '''Ian Cuthbertson''' review of ''Tito's Ghosts'' on [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/balkans-hero-with-a-bloodthirsty-streak/story-e6frg8mf-1111117435895 The Australian - Balkans Hero with a Bloodthirsty Streak]

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{{~~Cquote~~| '''a.''' ''Josip Broz Tito, the hard man who managed to unite Yugoslavia after World War II, has long been regarded as somehow less awful than his fellow communist leaders. This French documentary makes it clear that even now, after Yugoslavia has disintegrated (mostly chaotically), Tito is still adored by some in the Balkans, with festivals commemorating his birthday and enthusiasts kissing his statue and declaring their love for him.''

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{{quote| '''a.''' ''Josip Broz Tito, the hard man who managed to unite Yugoslavia after World War II, has long been regarded as somehow less awful than his fellow communist leaders. This French documentary makes it clear that even now, after Yugoslavia has disintegrated (mostly chaotically), Tito is still adored by some in the Balkans, with festivals commemorating his birthday and enthusiasts kissing his statue and declaring their love for him.''

'''b.''' ''Turned back from Austria by the Allies and handed over to Tito's forces, they were executed in the woods without trial. Investigations in Slovenia have found evidence to suggest the dead were naked, or partly naked, and tied with wire when they were killed.The graves' existence was an open secret for decades, yet they were not documented and not commonly discussed.''

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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators Wikipedia:Administrators]

* [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=30348&view=findpost&p=246461 How to manipulate Wikipedia]

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Quote from Wikipedia Review:{{~~Cquote~~|'' Wikipedia has become the new battleground for Israel's PR image. The Yisrael Sheli (My Israel) movement and the Yesha Council, which represents Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, have joined together for a new public relations initiative. Together they will soon offer a special course for volunteers who wish to write and edit English entries on Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia.'' (Israel National News)}}

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Quote from Wikipedia Review:{{quote|'' Wikipedia has become the new battleground for Israel's PR image. The Yisrael Sheli (My Israel) movement and the Yesha Council, which represents Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, have joined together for a new public relations initiative. Together they will soon offer a special course for volunteers who wish to write and edit English entries on Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia.'' (Israel National News)}}

* [http://wikipediareview.com/ The Wikipedia Review]

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito Wikipedia: Dictator Josip Broz Tito]

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*Government of the Republic of Slovenia: Commission on Concealed Mass Graves in Slovenia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Concealed_Mass_Graves_in_Slovenia ''Link'']

* [http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hr&u=http://www.komunizam.hrvatskauljudba.hr/&ei=ozbcSoZih97oA9n34ZMG&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&ved=0CAgQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DHrvatski%2Bcentar%2Bza%2Bistra%25C5%25BEivanje%2Bzlo%25C4%258Dina%2Bkomunizma%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us Croatian Centre for Research of Crimes of Communism]

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