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#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cheeser1&diff=prev&oldid=201767732 I have no interest in "defending" myself against false accusations, made with no other intent than harassment. I have a real world identity, and have had more than enough of the absurdities of this fictional pseudo-environment, in which people play out their aggressions as though they were knocking down "enemies" in a video game. I have the impression that many of those for whom this is a permanent romping ground are simply maladjusted individuals in their real lives who have a compulsive need to act out aggressions in this fantasy world as a rather pitiful form of self-affirmation...But individuals who try to launch, within science, campaigns of self-promotion through such absurd vehicles as Wikipedia clearly have no interest in the truth, and are only too happy to support the bullying, intimidation and denunciations of self-appointed enforcers such as User: Cheeser1. Given the opportunity, they would doubtless wish to do the same in real life...    My only remaining intention, within this lamentable setting, is to close down all vestiges of such contemptible farce, which is a parody of the well known practices used in police states, where denunciation is sufficient to imply guilt, and intimidation is a stock in trade to contain potential "enemies of the state". The only satisfaction that I have is to be able recall that I anticipated such an onslaught, and said so on record, although I failed to anticipate the scope of its absurdity. No-one with any intelligence or self-respect who becomes aware of the prevalence and apparently, encouragement, of such machinations would agree to participate further in such things.]

#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cheeser1&diff=prev&oldid=201767732 I have no interest in "defending" myself against false accusations, made with no other intent than harassment. I have a real world identity, and have had more than enough of the absurdities of this fictional pseudo-environment, in which people play out their aggressions as though they were knocking down "enemies" in a video game. I have the impression that many of those for whom this is a permanent romping ground are simply maladjusted individuals in their real lives who have a compulsive need to act out aggressions in this fantasy world as a rather pitiful form of self-affirmation...But individuals who try to launch, within science, campaigns of self-promotion through such absurd vehicles as Wikipedia clearly have no interest in the truth, and are only too happy to support the bullying, intimidation and denunciations of self-appointed enforcers such as User: Cheeser1. Given the opportunity, they would doubtless wish to do the same in real life...    My only remaining intention, within this lamentable setting, is to close down all vestiges of such contemptible farce, which is a parody of the well known practices used in police states, where denunciation is sufficient to imply guilt, and intimidation is a stock in trade to contain potential "enemies of the state". The only satisfaction that I have is to be able recall that I anticipated such an onslaught, and said so on record, although I failed to anticipate the scope of its absurdity. No-one with any intelligence or self-respect who becomes aware of the prevalence and apparently, encouragement, of such machinations would agree to participate further in such things.]

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“We're not going to take it” (with respects to Pete Townshend)'''

'''“We're not going to take it” (with respects to Pete Townshend)'''

I have made it to the mountaintop, met the messiah, and missed the morals there. Jimmy has been aware of the “Gwen Gale issue” for years, yet he continues to turn a blind eye to the problems. For instance, on 28 Jun 2010, she blocked three posts for being “(Potentially libelous/defamatory)”. If you were allowed to see the posts, they would be “(Potentially libelous/defamatory)” only to Gwen Gale. Yet she is allowed to block posts about herself. In the REAL WORLD that would be a clear conflict of interest. Not at Wikipedia, apparently.

I have made it to the mountaintop, met the messiah, and missed the morals there. Jimmy has been aware of the “Gwen Gale issue” for years, yet he continues to turn a blind eye to the problems. For instance, on 28 Jun 2010, she blocked three posts for being “(Potentially libelous/defamatory)”. If you were allowed to see the posts, they would be “(Potentially libelous/defamatory)” only to Gwen Gale. Yet she is allowed to block posts about herself. In the REAL WORLD that would be a clear conflict of interest. Not at Wikipedia, apparently.

09:53, 28 June 2010 Gwen Gale (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Death of Adolf Hitler: content hidden and edit summary hidden (Potentially libelous/defamatory)  

09:53, 28 June 2010 Gwen Gale (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Death of Adolf Hitler: content hidden and edit summary hidden (Potentially libelous/defamatory)  

The following came from: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wm5200&oldid=400169713

'''The following came from: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wm5200&oldid=400169713'''

What a Waste of Time

 

'''What a Waste of Time'''

“The Island being then hovering over a Mountain about two Miles from it, I was let down from the lowest Gallery, in the same Manner as I had been taken up.” Reference Jonathan Swift Gulliver’s Travels ISBN 195199782 Part Three Chapter Four page 171. Wm5200 (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

“The Island being then hovering over a Mountain about two Miles from it, I was let down from the lowest Gallery, in the same Manner as I had been taken up.” Reference Jonathan Swift Gulliver’s Travels ISBN 195199782 Part Three Chapter Four page 171. Wm5200 (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Off-topic screed

Off-topic screed

I would like to bring up two Wiki terms which I do not understand. It appears that Gwen Gale and I have a different “P.O.V.” about the usage of these terms.

I would like to bring up two Wiki terms which I do not understand. It appears that Gwen Gale and I have a different “P.O.V.” about the usage of these terms.

'''Original Research'''. I have never been to Berlin, read any original documents, or talked to any eyewitness. The ONLY information I have about the subject is what I have read in published works. How is it that Gwen Gale finds so much of my work “O.R.”?

 

Original Research. I have never been to Berlin, read any original documents, or talked to any eyewitness. The ONLY information I have about the subject is what I have read in published works. How is it that Gwen Gale finds so much of my work “O.R.”?

Am I the only person who has had problems with Gwen Gale? Not if you read her contribs, and certainly not if you Google her name.

Am I the only person who has had problems with Gwen Gale? Not if you read her contribs, and certainly not if you Google her name.

Gwen Gale does not appear to be using admin powers to maintain that position, thus it is not a question of Gwen's admin capability and doesn't belong here. As noted, if it is a question of source reliability, that should be taken to the Reliable Sources noticeboard, if it is a question about Gwen's discussion/participation (as a regular editor) behavior, that should go to Wikiquette alerts. --MASEM (t) 17:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Gwen Gale does not appear to be using admin powers to maintain that position, thus it is not a question of Gwen's admin capability and doesn't belong here. As noted, if it is a question of source reliability, that should be taken to the Reliable Sources noticeboard, if it is a question about Gwen's discussion/participation (as a regular editor) behavior, that should go to Wikiquette alerts. --MASEM (t) 17:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

   

   

Thank you for taking time. However, I doubt that you could familiarize yourself with the subject in only four minutes. I am trying to be polite. Joach and Kershaw (along with several other noted authors referenced in discussion) cast doubt on the "Russian Autopsy" in general and Lev Bezymenski's book in specific, yet Gwen Gale will not entertain such a thought, on 11 November she still is using an almost universally discredited "Russian Autopsy" as fact. I do not see how she is qualified to administer the discussion. Anyone who will read Kershaw's two footnotes will see the problems with her position. We are not disputing Kershaw, she won't even read him!Wm5200 (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)  

Thank you for taking time. However, '''I doubt that you could familiarize yourself with the subject in only four minutes'''. I am trying to be polite. Joach and Kershaw (along with several other noted authors referenced in discussion) cast doubt on the "Russian Autopsy" in general and Lev Bezymenski's book in specific, yet Gwen Gale will not entertain such a thought, on 11 November she still is using an almost universally discredited "Russian Autopsy" as fact. I do not see how she is qualified to administer the discussion. Anyone who will read Kershaw's two footnotes will see the problems with her position. We are not disputing Kershaw, she won't even read him!Wm5200 (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)  

You are confused about how Wikipedia works, Wm5200. There is no "administrator responsible for the article". Agreement regarding content disputes is reached by consensus on the talk page of the article. The role of administrators is to enforce Wikipedia's agreed policies. David Biddulph (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)  

You are confused about how Wikipedia works, Wm5200. There is no "administrator responsible for the article". Agreement regarding content disputes is reached by consensus on the talk page of the article. The role of administrators is to enforce Wikipedia's agreed policies. David Biddulph (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)  

I know some Wiki are literate. Kierzek knows everything, Farawayman may be close. Why do I seem to meet the people who will not read a book?

I know some Wiki are literate. Kierzek knows everything, Farawayman may be close. Why do I seem to meet the people who will not read a book?

Now, for those who won’t read, let me try once more.

'''Now, for those who won’t read, let me try once more.'''

 

1. Gwen Gale has dominated the article “Death of Adolf Hitler” for years.

1. Gwen Gale has dominated the article “Death of Adolf Hitler” for years.

2. Gwen Gale is not informed about the “Death of Adolf Hitler”. She refuses to acknowledge the work of Sir Ian Kershaw, about who Wiki itself (no books needed) says “He is regarded by many as one of the world's leading experts on Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and is particularly noted for his monumental biography of Hitler, which has been called "soberly objective." “. She continues to use Bezymenski, a 1968 admitted fraud, as a source over numerous other authors.

2. Gwen Gale is not informed about the “Death of Adolf Hitler”. She refuses to acknowledge the work of Sir Ian Kershaw, about who Wiki itself (no books needed) says “He is regarded by many as one of the world's leading experts on Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and is particularly noted for his monumental biography of Hitler, which has been called "soberly objective." “. She continues to use Bezymenski, a 1968 admitted fraud, as a source over numerous other authors.

3. Any time anyone will keep Gwen Gale away from “Death of Adolf Hitler”, serious scholars will fix it and get stars or whatever, Wiki will be accurate, and proud.

3. Any time anyone will keep Gwen Gale away from “Death of Adolf Hitler”, serious scholars will fix it and get stars or whatever, Wiki will be accurate, and proud.

4. Any time anyone will keep Gwen Gale away from “Death of Adolf Hitler”, I and all my posts become moot. All I have ever wanted was to get the “popular press” out of what I consider a serious subject.

4. Any time anyone will keep Gwen Gale away from “Death of Adolf Hitler”, I and all my posts become moot. All I have ever wanted was to get the “popular press” out of what I consider a serious subject.

"Not one of your own friends. Better block me instead."Wm5200 (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

"Not one of your own friends. Better block me instead."Wm5200 (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

“not helping yourself”? “not helping yourself”? Really? You don’t think so?

“not helping yourself”? “not helping yourself”? Really? You don’t think so?

When has this ever been about me? “I am not Wiki.” First sentence I ever posted. Do you flatter yourself by thinking I want to be? For me the “mission” has always been “the article”!

When has this ever been about me? “I am not Wiki.” First sentence I ever posted. Do you flatter yourself by thinking I want to be? For me the “mission” has always been “the article”!

When I got here the article belonged in one of Rupert Murdoch’s rags. I had read Joachimsthaler, who sounded rational, and thought he could be of some use in the article. That’s it. My whole goal in Wiki.

When I got here the article belonged in one of Rupert Murdoch’s rags. I had read Joachimsthaler, who sounded rational, and thought he could be of some use in the article. That’s it. My whole goal in Wiki.

Since being re-buffed by “my admin” (I don’t care about the assignments), I have read virtually everything about Hitler’s Death, becoming a world expert. About someone who I find distasteful, and doesn’t really interest me. And apparently to no avail. I can not get Gwen Gale to read two footnotes. Or get out of the way. That’s all I ask.

Since being re-buffed by “my admin” (I don’t care about the assignments), I have read virtually everything about Hitler’s Death, becoming a world expert. About someone who I find distasteful, and doesn’t really interest me. And apparently to no avail. I can not get Gwen Gale to read two footnotes. Or get out of the way. That’s all I ask.

Apparently I am the only person who thinks that possibly Gwen Gale might recluse herself from this one article, for the good of Wiki. It appears that the quality of the article is less important than the ego of one admin.

Apparently I am the only person who thinks that possibly Gwen Gale might recluse herself from this one article, for the good of Wiki. It appears that the quality of the article is less important than the ego of one admin.

I have said before, I don’t understand, or much care, for Wiki politics. Is this just a case of “old boy network”, where no one wants to offend a “friend”, or is there an actual “Gwen Gale maffia” who scares the rest of you?

I have said before, I don’t understand, or much care, for Wiki politics. Is this just a case of “old boy network”, where no one wants to offend a “friend”, or is there an actual “Gwen Gale maffia” who scares the rest of you?

I’m still waiting for any kind of informed answer. Or are you just waiting for 24 hours to come, and archive me, out of sight, out of mind?

I’m still waiting for any kind of informed answer. Or are you just waiting for 24 hours to come, and archive me, out of sight, out of mind?

And many of you miss the bitter irony of my now standard closing. "Not one of your own friends. Better block me instead."Wm5200 (talk) 13:28, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

And many of you miss the bitter irony of my now standard closing. "Not one of your own friends. Better block me instead."Wm5200 (talk) 13:28, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I am so sorry. I thought this was "to" Jimmy Wales. Please delete it, and accept my apologies.Wm5200 (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)  

I am so sorry. I thought this was "to" Jimmy Wales. Please delete it, and accept my apologies.Wm5200 (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)  

Please Stop

'''Please Stop'''

I'm sorry you don't feel like you've gotten justice in your problems with Gwen Gale, but other editors and admins have looked at your complaints and seen nothing actionable there. If you wish to be blocked, please just stop editing. There's no need to carry a grudge onto other pages. Dayewalker (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry you don't feel like you've gotten justice in your problems with Gwen Gale, but other editors and admins have looked at your complaints and seen nothing actionable there. If you wish to be blocked, please just stop editing. There's no need to carry a grudge onto other pages. Dayewalker (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)