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:::Sorry about that. I had looked under NAICS 81 which had 'company_name' within the ASK query. The general Portal query just needed to be re-cached ie edit/save. Btw, I took out 'genre' in both the NPO & company infoboxes; it's probably how WP was trying to deal with industry types. Your religion tag was just duplicating the NAICS title. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 10:09, 14 December 2006 (PST)
:::Sorry about that. I had looked under NAICS 81 which had 'company_name' within the ASK query. The general Portal query just needed to be re-cached ie edit/save. Btw, I took out 'genre' in both the NPO & company infoboxes; it's probably how WP was trying to deal with industry types. Your religion tag was just duplicating the NAICS title. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 10:09, 14 December 2006 (PST)
===What Links Here===
Karl, why do you imagine that the result of the ASK query in [http://www.centiare.com/Portal:Real_Estate_and_Rental_and_Leasing Portal:Real Estate] does not automatically show up in the "What links here" for [http://www.centiare.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Directory%3APinnacle_Realty_Services What links here for Pinnacle]?
Don't get all sidetracked with this, but it makes me wonder. Does the ASK query fail to impact the "What links here" feature? --[[User:MyWikiBiz|Centiare Co-Developer]] 10:22, 15 January 2007 (PST)
:No idea. If you check [[Relation:Located_In|this ASK report]], all the links from the query show up in ''what links here''. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 14:48, 15 January 2007 (PST)
::I see that, and that's good. What I'm saying is that it doesn't seem to "go the other way". That is, when you're considering the articles that APPEAR in an ASK result, when you check "What links here" to the article, the page with the ASK form doesn't register. It's not the end of the world, but it just makes it more of a challenge for the "custodian/manager/advocate" of [[Directory:Pinnacle Realty Services|Pinnacle Realty]] to get some good cross-links INTO his Directory page. (See how I just squeezed in another link to Pinnacle? I'm shameless.) --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 19:21, 15 January 2007 (PST)
::For the sake of internal link promotion, I think we should just encourage users to add an "Internal Links" section to Main Space articles that they want to link back to their Directory pitches. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 05:55, 16 January 2007 (PST)
If there is room for my 2 cents in this discussion, here goes:
I disagree with encouraging an Internal links sections in main space articles. It is just duplicating what Wikipedia does and is, non semantic. The ASK query function promotes users to tag there own articles appropriately to automatically get displayed on main space (a thing of beauty). This should also motivate users to create main space articles and add an ASK query. See [[Cigarette]] with the Attribute:Keyword query. The search engines are working in some way that is not completly understandable to us. The engines will catch up or they already have. The more comfortable users become with semantic tagging and start imagining all the endless possibilities:
* more page creation
* longer visitor lengths
* more traffic
* higher page rank
* higher site rank
* a successful semantic mediawiki
If all of this happens then one backlink at Centiare is golden.--[[User:OmniMediaGroup|OmniMediaGroup]] 07:39, 16 January 2007 (PST)
:<font style="background:orange">SATIRE ALERT</font>!!
:Nobody asked you your opinion, Omni. If you continue to butt in on our Talk page discussions, we will ban your account. We are trying to build a directory, here. ...Oh. Wait. '''Sorry'''. This isn't Wikipedia, is it? ;-) --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 09:59, 16 January 2007 (PST)
===Tag Policy===
::Ok, I think I'm slowly catching up here. First point to MWB: I think what you were seeing is the mirror effect of 'contributor to' (directory side) & 'has contributor' (article side). If you use FULLPAGENAME in ASK, then it's only going to pick up the relationship value with the particular page name.
::Btw, one thing I've come to realize is that we ''don't necessarily need'' both sides ie if only one side has an entry, the other can get results of what links to it by running an ASK query. Of course, if both sides have entries, ASK queries can be run on either side.
::Which gets us to OMG: should a tag go on the article side or directory side? If the tag goes on the directory side, what's to stop users from tagging whatever articles they want? (I thought we only want ERB articles attributed?) Looking at the [[cigarette]] example, is this what we want regular non-protected main space articles to look like?
::Now, if we limit tags to ERB articles, someone could still run a false tag from their directory listing, but it wouldn't show up on the article side until the ASK query was refreshed. Since it would be protected (ie only the author/sysop can update it), the false link(s) would then be discovered). This would make policing abuse a little easier.
::We need to think through two things: do we want mirror relationships when we can get away with one? This cuts down on extra effort; as we've seen with 'friend of' & 'personal interest', we can still run cool ASK queries to get the results we want.
::Second, if we do encourage one sided, where does it go? I sort of vote for the article side, since it would be under control of the ERB. Contributors would only have to run an ASK query from their directory listings to get their respective attributions.
::One last thing: for user->directory 'owner of' or directory->directory 'manager of' tags, these "private" areas are outside our concern (to the extent they don't violate copyright/libel), so if they want to mirror tag their entries, more power to them. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 08:11, 16 January 2007 (PST)
:::Phew! That was a mouthful, Karl; but all worthwhile. I have just a few bullet-point replies:
:::* My apologies for taking away "one side" of some of the two-way relations yesterday.
:::* I think tags should go on the Main Space article side.
:::* I'm starting to agree with OmniMediaGuide, that we don't really know what's going on with Google, so our internal linking policy should not be predicated on that riddle.
:::* We need to divorce ourselves from the notion that ASK queries don't update unless the page is edited. I'm seeing all over the place, lately, that they '''DO update themselves'''. For example, the ASK query on [[Portal:Manufacturing]] was last updated December 8th; but it includes listings of Nanoventions and SuperbGreece, which didn't come into being until January. Granted, there's some kind of delay in how long it takes for qualified results to "show" themselves, but there's no denying that these queries do eventually crawl for more results and refresh themselves. Maybe it's deep within MediaWiki, that it spiders the site's ASK queries once a day or something.
:::* The ASK query on the [[Cigarette]] article is sort of how I envisioned our "power users" would start modifying the Main Space. It's not pretty. And, it might encourage long "laundry lists" of different ASK queries appearing on the same page. But, I think if our "policy" remains: "'''Main Space is community edited content'''", then people who INSERT such queries have to realize the next person who finds it too ugly or too self-serving can just delete it.
:::* If you recall, one idea I had for "controlling" this proliferation of ASK queries was to establish a two-part policy:
::::# An ASK query in Main Space must be relevant and useful to the article.
::::# An ASK query in Main Space must produce at least 3 results; otherwise, create more content or wait for such content to be created.
:::This would help to keep Main Space looking cleaner, and when ASK queries DO get installed by users, they'll actually be serving a "collective" need, and not just self-serving one person's Directory bias.
:::I think that's all I have to say now. Calling Karl. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 10:16, 16 January 2007 (PST)
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