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Session Start: Wed Jul 15 00:00:00 2015 Session Ident: #wikipedia-en [00:00:09] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [00:01:12] * addshore (uid10233@wikimedia/addshore) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [00:08:55] * Elaborate_Blob (~Soap2@wikipedia/soap) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:09:59] * foks (~sup@wikipedia/fox) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:12:03] <Elaborate_Blob> yay the Internet is a wonderful thing [00:12:11] * Elaborate_Blob is now known as SoapBubbles [00:13:51] * White_Cat (~eva@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko) Quit [00:15:29] * SoapBubbles (~Soap2@wikipedia/soap) Quit [00:16:21] * Guest31551 (sid83494@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aoxqlsakcpkicbmu) Quit (Changing host) [00:16:21] * Guest31551 (sid83494@wikimedia/Keegan) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:16:21] * Guest31551 is now known as Keegan|Floating [00:17:55] * AerchAngel (~brazerFPG@71-89-92-98.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:19:00] * AerchAngel (~brazerFPG@71-89-92-98.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has left #wikipedia-en [00:22:03] * geniice (~chatzilla@cpc75394-sotn16-2-0-cust294.15-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:22:04] * geniice (~chatzilla@cpc75394-sotn16-2-0-cust294.15-1.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Changing host) [00:22:04] * geniice (~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:22:13] * comets (~xchat@wikimedia/Cometstyles) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:22:31] * OlEnglish (~me@wikipedia/OlEnglish) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:23:01] * SamB_7_ (~chatzilla@2001:470:1f07:57:4cf2:ce71:fef6:d0f2) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:23:04] <Eatmeimaredbean> Especially when you want to chat [00:23:31] * AerchAngel (~brazerFPG@71-89-92-98.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:24:28] * SamB_7 (~chatzilla@2001:470:1f07:57:4cf2:ce71:fef6:d0f2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:24:40] * SamB_7_ is now known as SamB_7 [00:24:57] * AerchAngel (~brazerFPG@71-89-92-98.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Client Quit) [00:26:09] * AerchAngel (~brazerFPG@71-89-92-98.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:26:44] * fumika (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:26:46] * ty (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:28:15] * AerchAngel (~brazerFPG@71-89-92-98.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Client Quit) [00:28:36] * tya (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:28:40] * fumika (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:35:20] * Jr_Mime (~Jr_Mime@wikia/vstf/Jr-Mime) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:41:10] * enterprisey (enterprise@wikipedia/APerson) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:41:35] * mmango (~mmango@unaffiliated/asdfasdffdsa) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:44:29] <Oshwah> Quick question for anyone whose proficient at Huggle.... [00:46:54] * SamB_7_ (~chatzilla@2001:470:1f07:57:4cf2:ce71:fef6:d0f2) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:48:16] * SamB_7 (~chatzilla@2001:470:1f07:57:4cf2:ce71:fef6:d0f2) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:48:18] * SamB_7_ is now known as SamB_7 [00:52:22] * Ornacia (drag@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qhwxgtextfbomweh) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [00:53:18] * Eatmeimaredbean (~sb@58.39.72.7) has left #wikipedia-en [00:54:40] * redforger (~vitaelect@cpe-66-8-209-44.hawaii.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:55:07] <geniice> NH phones home [00:55:27] * redforger (~vitaelect@cpe-66-8-209-44.hawaii.res.rr.com) Quit (Client Quit) [00:55:43] * redforger (~vitaelect@cpe-66-8-209-44.hawaii.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:56:22] * Ornacia (drag@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-himkbszvlxfldwfj) has joined #wikipedia-en [00:59:22] * redforger (~vitaelect@cpe-66-8-209-44.hawaii.res.rr.com) has left #wikipedia-en [01:02:25] * blah__ (~luke@c-69-250-165-99.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [01:05:20] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [01:05:46] * blah__ (~luke@c-69-250-165-99.hsd1.md.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit) [01:09:10] <{Soap}> hi [01:09:14] <{Soap}> oshwah did tyou ghet help? [01:09:25] <Oshwah> {Soap}: I didn't. But no worries. [01:10:27] <Oshwah> So, I was trying to revert vandalism on Huggle and warn the person, but I accidentally marked the edit as a "Good Edit". I went back and clicked on the correct button immeditately after, but my question is... Does that "Good Edit" button instantly update the white list? Can it be undone? How do I do it if I do this again? [01:11:48] <{Soap}> Im not sure if the whitelist is stored off-site anymore or not [01:11:54] <{Soap}> its changed a lot since the last time i used it [01:12:26] <{Soap}> i imagine having a whole bunch of people trying to update the whitelist would get problematic so it must be offsite still [01:12:32] <Oshwah> No worries. I'm sure it'll be fine. Just saw what I did and went "AWW CRAP!" [01:12:45] <Oshwah> I think it's still on-wiki [01:13:11] <Oshwah> Well... maybe... [01:13:12] <Oshwah> https://huggle.wmflabs.org/data/wl.php?wp=en.wikipedia&action=display [01:13:23] <Oshwah> SQL error. ?? [01:13:34] <Oshwah> Not sure if that means that the db is down or if it got moved and the link is dead. [01:13:50] <{Soap}> I guess I cant really answer your querstion but Id be surprised if just a single good edit would put someone on a whitelist. even some outright vandals do *occasional * good edits [01:13:59] <Oshwah> ^^ [01:14:01] <Oshwah> Indeed. [01:20:08] * hexersTSN (~gloomyFKS@72.252.152.137) has joined #wikipedia-en [01:21:51] * uks (~uks@p20030069C8121DA9F08E2FCBD0B70590.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:26:51] * Soapboy (Soap@wikipedia/soap) has joined #wikipedia-en [01:27:01] <Soapboy> huh, someone actually reg'd "SoapBubbles" [01:27:40] <Oshwah> lol [01:28:00] * Oshwah is now known as Oshwah_ACCing [01:31:22] <geniice> IMF signals it could walk away from Greek bailout deal. [01:31:41] <Soapboy> what woyuld hja[ppen then? [01:32:33] * pakaran (~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran) has joined #wikipedia-en [01:32:54] <geniice> hard to say [01:32:58] * Oshwah_ACCing is now known as Oshwah [01:33:14] <geniice> eurozone could modify its part of the deal [01:33:30] <geniice> or it may give up and cut greece lose [01:33:45] <Soapboy> that makes me laugh for somereason [01:34:03] <Soapboy> GREECE: Birthplace of Western Civilization [01:34:58] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy I thought it was Iran [01:35:01] <geniice> Western Civilization was born in Ironbridge and Soho [01:35:02] <Sir_Designer> Persia [01:35:10] <Soapboy> Iran created Greece, yes [01:35:29] <Soapboy> arguably though, it isnt "western" [01:35:37] <geniice> Soho created the industrial steam engine [01:35:55] <Sir_Designer> Greece is arguably the birthplace of excellent complex dining experience in the west [01:36:32] <Sir_Designer> I think Iran is very much western. All the Indo-European cultures are one foot in Iran's past [01:36:32] * FastLizard4|away is now known as FastLizard4 [01:37:22] <Soapboy> OK i hope this works. Im attempting to trasngfer 90 GB of music over a wireless connectrion [01:37:56] <Soapboy> oh wow "9 hours remaining" nevermind [01:38:08] <geniice> why? don't you have network cable? [01:38:16] <Soapboy> nope [01:38:34] <Soapboy> not without kicking myself off the Internet anyway. besides, i thionkl thats be only slightrly faster [01:38:53] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy wireless connection if you have very very good n, yes, more like ac. Try using a USB 3 stick instead, or a flash card rated 10 [01:39:10] <Soapboy> hmm [01:39:22] <Soapboy> yeah i suppose a 16GB flash drive would work [01:40:17] <Sir_Designer> make sure, if you have the choice, to use the usb 3 flash drive and stick it in the right receptacle on the machine [01:41:22] <Soapboy> i dont have any USB 3.0 capable drtives [01:41:31] <Soapboy> eh i'll deal w/ iot [01:41:35] <Soapboy> ive done this before [01:41:35] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy you should also know that Walgreens sells ethernet cable [01:41:51] <Soapboy> hmm? howd you gind i work there? oh well [01:42:00] <Soapboy> i dont remember saying that in public [01:42:06] <Jr_Mime> I guess Walgreens is turing into Walmart? [01:42:07] <Sir_Designer> I did not know that. [01:42:27] <Sir_Designer> but I have amazed myself T WHAT WALGREENS PHOTO DEPT CARRIES [01:42:35] <Sir_Designer> oops [01:43:40] <geniice> Lens caps for the sigma 150-600mm sport? [01:44:28] <Sir_Designer> Jr_Mime it's rather straightforward line of inference: Walgreens is a pharmacy; pr0n is a medical pursuit or even condition; ethernet cable is used in pr0n.. [01:44:36] <Soapboy> lol [01:44:47] <Jr_Mime> Ah yes, that makes sense [01:45:17] <Soapboy> sriously thiough Ive only been at Walgreens 5 months and Im already looking for a 2nd job. Not necessarily quitting, it just doesnt pay as well as what Im used to [01:45:28] <Soapboy> i have no propblem with them as a company or a store though [01:46:20] <Sir_Designer> selling electronics is a higher pay grade than being a Walgreen staffer. Unless you are doing the pharmacy thing, [01:46:49] <Soapboy> honestly, working at a loca lsupermaket is a higher pay grade than either of them, at least here. The problem is getting in [01:47:38] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy your dream job is T-Mobile phone butiques, All that neon pink lighting, [01:47:46] <Soapboy> i considered that [01:48:01] <Soapboy> their pay is low by induistry standards but at least the job is predictable [01:48:18] <Soapboy> theres no wondering "what am i gonna do today?" and not knowing until 10 minutes after Ive punched in [01:48:24] <Sir_Designer> do you think you could be a manager? [01:48:30] <Soapboy> no, never [01:48:36] <Soapboy> I dont have the kind of people skills youd need for that [01:48:48] <Soapboy> besides, the managers at Walgreens are pitifully underpaid for what they do [01:48:53] <Soapboy> barely higher than entry level floor associates [01:49:00] * phoenixLC (~phoenixLC@ool-2f14ce5c.dyn.optonline.net) has left #wikipedia-en [01:49:07] * IDoH|AfIRC is now known as IDoH [01:49:21] <Soapboy> if Im going to ever have a high paying job its gonna have to be totally the oppopsite of retail [01:49:54] <Oshwah> Eww retail. I worked those jobs when I was younger. [01:49:57] <Sir_Designer> but at T-Mobile? surely the managers don't have to have that great a set of people's skills, since the only managing is of drone-people [01:50:02] <Soapboy> honestly the only reason Im in retail is because 18 years ago my best friend got me a job at the local depaertment store. my entire career is due to that [01:50:03] * Sir_Designer hides [01:50:04] <Oshwah> Great motivation for a higher education if anything. [01:50:09] <Soapboy> oh yiou meant T Mobile [01:50:15] <Sir_Designer> yes [01:50:15] <Soapboy> nah, those jobs arent that easy to get either [01:50:20] * Hoofdconducteur (uid7833@wikimedia/tbloemink) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [01:50:36] <Soapboy> even entry level. though, thats OK, Id be totally happy with entry level at T Mobile and would never leave [01:51:15] <Sir_Designer> Oshwah ...oh I have been trying to talk Soapboy into a classics major, but the Aeolic Greek requirement has him seething,,, [01:51:16] <Soapboy> oshwahL yeah i have an AS degree in computer science, it got me a job once but that was only a temporary job [01:51:41] <Oshwah> Classics major, huh? [01:52:03] <Oshwah> I have an Applied Mathematics and a Software Engineering degree. It's done me well so far :-) [01:52:09] <Sir_Designer> slassics, and even a smigeon of quantum entanglement [01:52:49] * SPF|Cloud (uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [01:52:53] <Soapboy> my only real computer related talent, i thin, is graphic/web design [01:52:57] <Soapboy> Im not much of a programmer [01:53:05] <Sir_Designer> Oshwah you may be in a better demographics and geography [01:53:24] <Oshwah> Sir_Designer: That always plays into things. [01:54:12] <Sir_Designer> I am 56. I have a very hard time getting a research job, even though I have reasonable, erm, bloodlines [01:56:24] <Sir_Designer> Oshwah CV, first link on the top http://twice22.org/marek/index.html [01:56:49] <hexersTSN> is god real? [01:57:57] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:57:57] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN what is your dogmatic position on sqare root of -1? [01:58:05] <Oshwah> lol [01:58:10] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [01:58:41] <Oshwah> Well you got the experience. But in your area, it might be hard (you might be right). [01:58:58] * Finnegan is now known as Finne|sleeo [01:59:00] <Oshwah> Unless you're dead set on living where you are now for some reason, you may want to expand you horizons. [01:59:00] * Finne|sleeo is now known as Finne|sleep [01:59:18] <Soapboy> i thought Chicago was good [01:59:34] <Soapboy> i wouldnt personally wanna live there, but they have a strogn economy [02:00:49] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy perhaps I have not made all the right rounds at the right comapnies, such as Boeing, and far suburban things like Northrop, Sears, Harman [02:01:22] <Sir_Designer> the jist of research work is financial markets and trading [02:01:29] <Sir_Designer> gist * [02:01:36] <hexersTSN> infinity >designer [02:01:59] <hexersTSN> infinity thats my answer [02:02:03] <Sir_Designer> infinity = runaway memory allocation ==> death [02:02:15] <hexersTSN> reserection [02:02:44] <Sir_Designer> res erection will only put up so many res before you find out the res aint the way to go [02:02:49] <hexersTSN> to be or not to be? [02:03:27] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN that which does not kill us makes us directly billable [02:03:58] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:04:14] <hexersTSN> ttrue>dsigner [02:04:34] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN I rest my case. [02:05:14] <Sir_Designer> You have forgotten echo or cat on your last line of code, kind sir. [02:05:18] <hexersTSN> but what exsit after death? [02:05:27] <Sir_Designer> grubs [02:05:31] <Soapboy> thisll be intesting [02:05:52] <hexersTSN> indeed it will be' [02:05:57] <{Soap}> btw: why Im on 2 logins: helps with pasting tex t filkes to myself [02:06:35] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} do you remember what "filk" is? your typo reminded me of it. [02:06:51] <hexersTSN> lol [02:07:55] <Sir_Designer> "Filk music is both a musical culture, genre, and community tied to science fiction/fantasy fandom and a type of fan labor. The genre has been active since the early 1950s, and played primarily since the mid-1970s. The term predates 1955." [02:08:42] <hexersTSN> teach do not rob knowledge [02:09:02] <Soapboy> vaguely siounds amiliar [02:09:08] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "we don't need no education" [02:09:23] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "we don't need no thought control" [02:09:36] * TrueCRaysball (~chatzilla@97-106-123-33.res.bhn.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:09:36] * TrueCRaysball (~chatzilla@97-106-123-33.res.bhn.net) Quit (Changing host) [02:09:36] * TrueCRaysball (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/truecraysball) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:09:40] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "no dark sarcasm in the classroom" [02:09:41] <hexersTSN> what do we need [02:10:02] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:10:05] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "Hey, teacher! Leave the kids alone!" [02:10:30] <hexersTSN> ok ok [02:10:57] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN do you even know where these classic lines are from? In terms of album, artist, and year? [02:11:20] <hexersTSN> yes sir what a bout u/ [02:11:34] <Sir_Designer> then tell us [02:11:34] <hexersTSN> they are english [02:11:35] <hexersTSN> lol [02:11:49] <Sir_Designer> Indeed, they are from Surrey [02:11:58] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:12:09] <hexersTSN> the queens so call lover [02:12:26] <hexersTSN> gossip by historians [02:12:31] <geniice> pink floyd [02:12:47] <Sir_Designer> geniice very musch so. sort of late Floyd. [02:12:51] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@cpe-66-108-136-31.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:12:52] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@cpe-66-108-136-31.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Changing host) [02:12:52] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@wikipedia/MusikAnimal) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:13:03] <hexersTSN> lol to late i should say [02:13:04] * MJ94 waves [02:14:22] * Sir_Designer "Waving, not Drowning" [02:14:32] <Sir_Designer> to keep on the English beat. [02:14:46] <hexersTSN> i need to go sleep [02:15:09] <hexersTSN> when will class be dismiss [02:15:38] <Sir_Designer> Dis Miss seyz the class is Over. Crimson and Clover, over and over. [02:16:32] * fetus (uid32386@wikia/Iiii-I-I-I) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:16:55] <hexersTSN> well have a gr8 night sir [02:17:45] <Sir_Designer> I will extract all due greatness from the morrow, instead. Night light, kind sir. Do not vomit into the pillow. [02:18:00] <hexersTSN> anyone wants a magic dragon [02:18:40] * LtNOWIS (~LtNOWIS@pool-100-36-31-116.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:18:45] <hexersTSN> poor teach having panic attacks [02:19:38] * foks (~sup@wikipedia/fox) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:20:46] <Sir_Designer> geniice http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/175778 [02:20:59] <hexersTSN> boring [02:20:59] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN click play button ^^^ [02:21:33] <hexersTSN> indeed i will [02:22:32] <geniice> not a fan of poetry in general [02:22:56] <hexersTSN> ney says I [02:23:08] <Sir_Designer> geniice but this is mercifully extremely short, and well read. And England. [02:23:12] <geniice> youtube is trying to sell me match.com [02:23:24] <geniice> Sir_Designer doesn't sound english [02:23:47] <Sir_Designer> Stevie Smith is completely English. THe lady lector may well be a merkin [02:24:00] <geniice> might be mid atlantic [02:24:10] <Sir_Designer> Hull [02:24:16] <hexersTSN> geniice would u like to meet my magic dragon [02:24:27] <geniice> and the last good english poet was bonus [02:24:30] <geniice> Bonus [02:24:37] <geniice> do you know why he was good? [02:24:55] <hexersTSN> puff the magic dragon live by the see [02:25:11] <geniice> None of his poems survive. In fact nothing survives apart from his name [02:25:23] * hexersTSN (~gloomyFKS@72.252.152.137) Quit (Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated) [02:25:31] <geniice> and that was only because a gaulish writer thought it was funny [02:26:38] <Sir_Designer> geniice I was damn right, Kingston upon Hull. Just a lucky guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Smith [02:27:32] <geniice> if she was any good she would have written progressive metal lyrics [02:27:48] <Sir_Designer> she died in 71 [02:28:21] <Sir_Designer> but her readers may well have gone on to progressive speed metal, or folk viking metal [02:28:48] * Jeske_Couriano_ (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:29:22] <Sir_Designer> this is her most famous poem, by hte way [02:29:29] <geniice> yes I see [02:30:25] <Sir_Designer> "She was never sentimental, undercutting any pathetic effects with the ruthless honesty of her humour.[4]" [02:30:33] <Sir_Designer> I guess that is a very metal ethos. [02:30:50] <Sir_Designer> except for Nightwish. THey are brooding and sentimental. [02:31:03] * Jeske_Couriano (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [02:31:06] <geniice> Dito five finger death punch [02:31:12] * Jeske_Couriano_ is now known as Jeske_Couriano [02:32:17] <geniice> hmm looks like no one has created a heavy metal cover yet [02:32:41] <Soapboy> of anything? [02:34:17] <Sir_Designer> no, geniice meant Stevie Swith's famous poem [02:34:27] <Sir_Designer> Smith's [02:34:45] <Sir_Designer> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/175778 [02:35:31] <Sir_Designer> actually, that is a bit surprising, considering how many woman-voiced folk metal bands are around.... [02:35:32] * Oshwah is now known as Oshwah_ACCing [02:37:13] <Sir_Designer> geniice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZNvQXNJAcU here is a first cut [02:37:26] <Sir_Designer> and the lector is English, Essex to my ear [02:37:56] * Oshwah_ACCing is now known as Oshwah [02:37:57] <Schroeder> Yadi is seriously the greatest catcher ever [02:39:04] <Sir_Designer> geniice and here is analysis, by an English Irish-sounding man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCnDgBre-k8 [02:46:12] * Oshwah is now known as Oshwah_BRB [02:50:33] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:50:46] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:51:44] * Oshwah_BRB (~Oshwah@wikipedia/Oshwah) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:52:12] <geniice> so competitive gamers are on Adderall. What are wikipedians on? [02:52:35] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:53:53] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:54:07] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> geniice: nothing, wikipedia by itself is good enough [02:55:45] <MJ94> geniice: caffiene. [02:55:51] <MJ94> caffeine* [02:55:54] <geniice> same here [02:57:32] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> meh, not that into caffeine [02:57:39] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> drank a coffee once and went berserk [02:59:41] * fumika (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) has joined #wikipedia-en [02:59:46] * tya (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:01:44] <MJ94> GEOFBOT|verybusy: nor am I [03:02:29] <Sir_Designer> geniice wikipedia editing, especially at measurable and sustained abandonment of sleep usually ends up in a psychosis hospitalization for a large fraction of wikipediankind, methinks. [03:04:56] * sef (~sef@unaffiliated/sef) Quit (Quit: leaving) [03:06:05] <Sir_Designer> ...so here is some profilactic soothing music, 12 minutes +-worth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA88AS6Wy_4 Gregorio Allegri: Miserere (polyphonic choral) [03:08:51] <geniice> got to restart [03:08:53] * geniice (~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.33.1/20150321194901]) [03:08:56] * GEOFBOT|verybusy is now known as GEOFBOT|away [03:13:42] * blanketmind (~midgetpow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/midgetpower) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:13:50] * machbio (~machbio@50-90-224-213.res.bhn.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:15:32] * [ceradon] (~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:16:23] <{Soap}> m cutting back a bit on coffeee [03:16:32] * fumika (~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:16:34] <{Soap}> i got a kind i dont like very much. not as much interested in drinking it [03:16:46] <{Soap}> it might actually be a blessing [03:18:28] <{Soap}> i was drinking 8 cups of coffee every morning. now just like 5 [03:18:56] <{Soap}> by 8 cups i mean i would fill the coffeepot up and guzzle it all at once [03:19:07] * syabrite (~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:26:10] * GriffinH_ (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:26:48] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:28:43] <git> i guess that's better than pop [03:28:48] * D|S-Blunt (~jod@109.172.57.170) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:29:01] <D|S-Blunt> Wikipedia is for faggots. [03:29:24] <{Soap}> oh hi D|S-Blunt [03:29:44] <{Soap}> well, Wikipedia is for everyone [03:29:52] <foks> I suppose you could look up faggots on Wikipedia [03:29:56] <foks> they're great with gravy [03:30:13] <foks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food) [03:30:15] <{Soap}> ha [03:30:24] <{Soap}> i didnt expect it to have so many meanings [03:30:45] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_Hill <-- hmm [03:30:51] <{Soap}> are they really still calling it that? [03:30:55] <Sir_Designer> "Saint Hildegard of Bingen, O.S.B. (German: Hildegard von Bingen; Latin: Hildegardis Bingensis) (1098 – 17 September 1179), also known as Saint Hildegard and Sibyl of the Rhine, was a German writer, composer, philosopher, Christian mystic, Benedictine abbess, visionary, and polymath.[1]" [03:31:02] <Sir_Designer> wow, this girl rocked! [03:31:07] <[ceradon]> lol [03:31:15] <foks> Polymath? [03:31:21] <foks> These days there's a cream for that [03:31:28] <Sir_Designer> i guess she was a math genius [03:31:30] * D|S-Blunt (~jod@109.172.57.170) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:31:50] * Oshwah (~Oshwh@wikipedia/Oshwah) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:31:51] <{Soap}> we beat the troll [03:31:54] <Sir_Designer> but she left killer music: [03:32:12] <Oshwah> Okay so what's with this guy editing this other user's subpage? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/XRighteous [03:32:17] <Oshwah> WP:SOCK? [03:32:19] <Sir_Designer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dehwp_dRlYQ Hildegard von Bingen - Voice of the Living Light [03:32:21] <{Soap}> wb Oshwah [03:32:51] <Oshwah> {Soap}: Thank you, sir! [03:32:53] <Oshwah> :-) [03:33:18] <{Soap}> No idea. Often when you see that it's someone innocently not realizing that using two accounts is seen as bad. However this doesnt look like an example of that becaue the other user has 4000 edits since 2007 [03:33:25] <{Soap}> so she should surely know her away around by now [03:33:31] <Oshwah> Agreed. [03:33:41] <Oshwah> And he's been warned about modifying content on that page. [03:34:27] <comets> meh everyone with an account after 2010 is a sock ;) [03:34:37] <Keilana> hildegard was a motherfucking genius [03:35:25] * bca (uid1192@wikimedia/Joe-Gazz84) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [03:35:55] <{Soap}> i only know about Hildegarrd because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_Ignota [03:36:13] <Oshwah> lol [03:36:28] <Oshwah> hi comets. Long time no see! [03:36:33] <Sir_Designer> that's still more than I knew. Now I want to fish through RSes for History of Math [03:36:47] <comets> o/ [03:39:06] <{Soap}> i have no idea what music was like in the year 1151 [03:39:35] <[ceradon]> "Another one every minute" seems to be the story of ANI tonight. [03:39:54] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} Keilana oh that is for certain, but I want to learn more about what she came up with, that got remembered anyway [03:40:18] <Keilana> she jump-started the 12th century renaissance [03:40:46] <Keilana> also innovated medicine with techniques and medications and herbs and such that would last till the 19th-20th century, some of which are still useful and used today [03:41:02] <Keilana> also she lived to be like 90, in the abbey she built herself [03:41:13] <{Soap}> thats impressive [03:41:17] <Keilana> and she managed to save copies of all the stuff she wrote and made sure it would survive her [03:41:18] <Keilana> medieval BADASSERY [03:41:25] <Keilana> Hildegard is the best [03:41:58] <Sir_Designer> this music I linked is like hour plus, and I have to say I am enjoying it wholly [03:45:29] <{Soap}> <git> i guess that's better than pop <-- eh, actually ive subsituted Dr Pepper for some of the coffee [03:45:35] <Oshwah> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=671505252 - Nice.... [03:45:56] <{Soap}> gmm [03:46:31] * Falcorian (~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:46:55] <{Soap}> i dunno what to think of that [03:48:39] * Soapboy (Soap@wikipedia/soap) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:48:47] <{Soap}> aww [03:48:48] <{Soap}> i pung out [03:49:15] <git> did you? [03:50:50] * machbio (~machbio@50-90-224-213.res.bhn.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [03:50:54] <Sir_Designer> Keilana sounds like you are familiar with our article about her, but have you seen this map from there? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hildegard_map.jpg It says she would go on preaching tours through that land. [03:51:27] * Soap2 (Soap@cpe-74-75-251-1.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [03:52:31] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [03:53:40] * k6ka2 (~k6ka@unaffiliated/k6ka) Quit (Quit: I was planning to do something today, but I haven't finished doing nothing from yesterday.) 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[03:57:12] * enterprisey (enterprise@wikipedia/APerson) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:01:32] <git> GorillaWarfare: so i just have to say that i've been watching twitter and you're kinda kicking ass a lot [04:01:55] * Matthew_ (~Matthewrb@wikimedia/matthewrbowker) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:03:40] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [04:03:43] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [04:03:55] * GriffinH_ (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:04:42] <git> (that's probably really creepy but i promise i'm not a super terrible person or anything. on a scale from 1-10, 1 being flawless, perfect human, i'd put myself at a 7.5 maybe) [04:05:51] * SailorHaumea (~DN-boards@unaffiliated/dn-boards1) Quit (Disconnected by services) [04:10:02] <Sir_Designer> git tell us, so we can enjoy GW's artful ways [04:13:11] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [04:13:29] * Oshwah is now known as Oshwah_Away [04:13:37] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@p3b939973.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:15:56] <Sir_Designer> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_des_Hildegardis-Codex_004.jpg [04:16:38] <Sir_Designer> that right bottom quadrant depiction is unsettling, to say the least...... small multiple people clammoring out of the phrophetess' mouth [04:16:53] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP you around, here is a good thing you could do [04:17:06] * machbio (~machbio@50-90-224-213.res.bhn.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:17:20] <Sir_Designer> ....that media has only a German language description. You could add English, [04:18:51] * Jeske_Couriano_ (~chatzilla@50.106.34.217) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:18:52] * Jeske_Couriano_ (~chatzilla@50.106.34.217) Quit (Changing host) [04:18:52] * Jeske_Couriano_ (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:21:27] * Jeske_Couriano (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [04:21:31] * Jeske_Couriano_ is now known as Jeske_Couriano [04:32:26] * ZeroSerenity_ (~ZeroSeren@67-6-130-217.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:32:41] * FastLizard4 is now known as werelizard [04:32:54] * Finne|sleeo (~Fluffernu@pool-74-108-135-88.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:33:01] * Irunongames (~Peter@65-78-120-137.c3-0.smt-ubr1.atw-smt.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:33:06] * Irunongames (~Peter@65-78-120-137.c3-0.smt-ubr1.atw-smt.pa.cable.rcn.com) Quit (Changing host) [04:33:06] * Irunongames (~Peter@wikimedia/Peter.C) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:33:13] * TrueCRaysball_ (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/truecraysball) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:33:23] * ZeroSerenity (~ZeroSeren@67-6-130-217.hlrn.qwest.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:33:24] * Oshwah (~Oshwh@wikipedia/Oshwah) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:33:42] * TrueCRaysball (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/truecraysball) Quit (Disconnected by services) [04:33:47] * TrueCRaysball_ is now known as TrueCRaysball [04:33:48] * Puncake (~Isaac829@wikia/Isaac829) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:33:59] * MontyKvaran (~UPP@cpe-74-77-216-221.buffalo.res.rr.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:34:00] * Monty845 (~UPP@wikipedia/Monty845) Quit (Disconnected by services) [04:34:00] * MontyKvaran is now known as Monty845 [04:34:00] * Monty845 (~UPP@cpe-74-77-216-221.buffalo.res.rr.com) Quit (Changing host) [04:34:01] * Monty845 (~UPP@wikipedia/Monty845) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:34:22] * Finne|sleep (~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:34:56] * ragesoss (~quassel@wikimedia/ragesoss) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:35:04] * mmango (~mmango@unaffiliated/asdfasdffdsa) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:35:20] * Princess_Zelda (~Isaac829@wikia/Isaac829) Quit (Disconnected by services) [04:35:25] * Oshwah_Away (~Oshwh@wikipedia/Oshwah) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:35:27] * Puncake is now known as Princess_Zelda [04:35:46] * Peter-C (~Peter@wikimedia/Peter.C) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:35:46] * Bsadowski1 (~Brian_S@wikipedia/Bsadowski1) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:36:10] * ragesoss (~quassel@wikimedia/ragesoss) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:36:26] <{Soap}> sighh [04:36:33] <{Soap}> i want my office installer [04:38:06] * Bsadowski1 (~Brian_S@wikipedia/Bsadowski1) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:39:47] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@wikipedia/MusikAnimal) Quit (Quit: Cheers) [04:41:01] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Quit: Keilana) [04:43:44] <TrueCRaysball> Is it just my browser or are some infoboxes not center justified on text anymore? [04:47:46] <Soap2> lionk? [04:47:58] <Soap2> i cant imagine a browser would do that [04:48:41] <Oshwah> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABrownbrunonian&type=revision&diff=671511612&oldid=671511595 - WP:SOCK? [04:49:33] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP I started you on it. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Meister_des_Hildegardis-Codex_004.jpg&action=history [04:49:37] * Falcorian (~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian) Quit (Quit: Leaving.) [04:50:01] * Symmachus (41b99a0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.185.154.10) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:51:26] <Oshwah> Sigh... I'm thinking about applying for RFA. Not sure if I should. [04:51:50] * LtNOWIS (~LtNOWIS@pool-100-36-31-116.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:52:22] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@p3b939973.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:55:02] <Soap2> yeah cant hurt [04:55:21] <TrueCRaysball> Soap2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_League_Championship_Series [04:55:22] <Soap2> read throuighj the last 20 or so RFA's looking for ways you might trip up [04:55:28] <Soap2> and then make sure you dont o any of those things [04:55:50] <Oshwah> I have, and I don't think I'd fall into those (except article creation). [04:55:51] <Soap2> TrueCRaysball : oh hmm [04:56:03] <Soap2> for me the *image* isnt centered, but the heading text is [04:56:09] <Bsadowski1> TrueCRaysball [04:56:15] <Bsadowski1> ^__^^ [04:56:18] <Soap2> let me to other compuer [04:56:24] * Matthew_ (~Matthewrb@wikimedia/matthewrbowker) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep...) [04:56:34] <Oshwah> I'm not uncivil, I've never been blocked, don't have anything (that I can think of) that would be a big red flag. [04:56:40] <TrueCRaysball> the image isn't centered, and the text "2014 World Series" at the bottom of the infobox, Soap2, should be centered too but isn't [04:56:44] * Eatmeimaredbean (~sb@58.39.72.7) has joined #wikipedia-en [04:57:01] <TrueCRaysball> same with the navigation between years right above that [04:57:24] <Oshwah> Maybe little mistakes with fighting vandalism, etc? But nothing big... [04:57:40] <{Soap}> oh ok iddint realize that [04:57:46] <{Soap}> ok well yeah i see the same as you yeah [04:57:59] <TrueCRaysball> Did someone mess up some css somewhere? [04:58:01] <{Soap}> its probably some obscure template issue [04:58:08] <TrueCRaysball> Because i see no changes to the templates [04:58:18] <[ceradon]> http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8967321/nosferatu-director-head-stolen-from-grave <<< Creepy as hell. [04:58:46] <[ceradon]> Decent people don't do that. [04:59:05] <TrueCRaysball> I had to add some code to [[Template:Infobox Wrestling event]] to fix it there too: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Wrestling_event&diff=669802150&oldid=663036065 [04:59:16] <Oshwah> Not creepy at all... [04:59:43] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [05:00:35] <[ceradon]> Someone digging up the grave of a director who just happened to make one of the most memorable horror films of all time, and stealing is head for no apparent reason isn't creepy? [05:00:45] <[ceradon]> his* [05:01:22] <ZeroSerenity_> Wow. I really get annoyed how often this happens... https://account.xbox.com/en-us/screenshot/e04b1aeb-09f7-4bfb-9c04-ea90adcf938f?gamerTag=Zero%20S%20Serenity&scid=7d0597d8-2113-423a-9e4f-ed725b9d43ba [05:01:37] <poutine> It's tough for me to accept that there's people out there spending their time chronicling fake wrestling events [05:01:47] <[ceradon]> In other news, Reddit is about to sink: http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/15/8967477/doxxing-reddit-yishan-wong-ellen-pao-steve-huffman-alexis-ohanian [05:02:01] <[ceradon]> It will be turned into another Digg. [05:02:10] <TrueCRaysball> {Soap}: digging through css and modules now to see if I can find the culprit. [05:02:13] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: It's like Myspace in 2005. [05:02:22] <[ceradon]> The king is dead, long live the king. [05:02:28] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:02:30] <Oshwah> Something better will take over, then nobody will even know what it is in a year or two. [05:02:39] <[ceradon]> Wonder what the next Reddit will be like. [05:03:00] <Oshwah> Yahoo -> AskJeeves -> AOL -> dogpile -> ?? -> Google [05:03:09] * Sri_Designer (~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:03:23] * geniice (~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:03:53] <Oshwah> It's all a cycle. [05:04:18] <{Soap}> just me personally, i hated AskJeeves from the moment I heard of it and never wavered in that sentiment [05:04:37] <[ceradon]> Heuhue. [05:04:38] <Oshwah> Make something better -> People join -> Servers grow -> Need $$$ and ads -> Do something derp -> people hate you -> Someone gets and idea and starts a site -> Make something better -> ...... [05:04:43] <{Soap}> Dogpile was the first search engine I used and I loved it until I finally admitted Google was better [05:05:04] <Oshwah> Yahoo was mine. [05:05:08] <{Soap}> not that i was ever anti-Google, i just was used to using dogpile [05:05:22] <Oshwah> It's hard to change something you're familiar with. [05:05:46] <Oshwah> I'm still on AOL 4.0 - 56K v92 modem for the win. [05:05:55] <Oshwah> (j/k) [05:06:33] <Oshwah> Speaking of AOL... man, how many times you could coat the entire planet with those free trial CD's they used to give out. [05:06:48] <[ceradon]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Muhammad_ibn_al_Uthaymeen <<< This is a sad state of affairs. [05:06:50] <geniice> none as far as I'm aware [05:06:58] <[ceradon]> Harassment at its worst. [05:06:59] <geniice> BTW the internet archive is collecting them [05:07:00] <{Soap}> i remember when it was floppies [05:07:15] <{Soap}> then it went to a CD to show how modern they were even though the CD contained a setup file of only 2 MB [05:07:25] <Oshwah> RPP for that article? [05:07:32] <Oshwah> It looks fine; what's the need for RPP? [05:07:48] <Oshwah> Oh, those 1.44 inch floppies... [05:07:55] <Oshwah> AOL 3.0 - Windows 95. [05:07:57] <Oshwah> Those were the days. [05:08:22] <Oshwah> /facepalm [05:08:22] * M132T003C (~MTC@wikimedia/MTC) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:09:16] <TrueCRaysball> I can't find it! -.- [05:09:33] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: By the way, congrats on the RFA. [05:09:43] <[ceradon]> Thank you :-) [05:11:02] <[ceradon]> Come to think of it, I don't believe there is an effective way to deal with harassment, is there? [05:11:21] <[ceradon]> All an admin can do is block and protect whenever it comes up. [05:11:53] <[ceradon]> But when _every_ article you edit is attacked by a bunch of IPs, what do we do then? [05:12:21] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: Yes, in a technical standpoint. [05:13:00] <Oshwah> But if they're similar edits to each article that you've edited and multiple times... [05:13:12] <Oshwah> Get an SPI going if the edits are similar. [05:13:33] <[ceradon]> Rangeblock? [05:13:39] * Soap2 is now known as {soap|bed} [05:13:47] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: If they're all under the same range, then yes. [05:13:59] * Falcorian (~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:14:37] * quiddity (~quiddity@wikipedia/quiddity) Quit (Excess Flood) [05:15:17] * quiddity (~quiddity@ec2-50-112-50-28.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:15:25] * quiddity is now known as Guest53301 [05:15:35] * Lubaf (~chatzilla@2001:558:6045:e1:c0cc:326a:3a5e:728b) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:15:46] * Eatmeimaredbean (~sb@58.39.72.7) Quit (Read error: Connection timed out) [05:15:47] <Oshwah> If not, then consider SPI if they're all making similar edits and performing typical SOCK behavior. [05:15:49] * Guest53301 (~quiddity@ec2-50-112-50-28.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) Quit (Changing host) [05:15:49] * Guest53301 (~quiddity@wikipedia/quiddity) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:15:52] * Matthew_ (~Matthewrb@wikimedia/matthewrbowker) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:16:55] <Oshwah> It's a different case with IP's than users... SPI might not help. lol [05:16:55] * Guest53301 is now known as quiddity [05:17:16] <Oshwah> Just trying to go with the theory of your situation. [05:17:50] * Eatmeimaredbean (~sb@58.39.72.7) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:17:53] * ZeroSerenity_ (~ZeroSeren@67-6-130-217.hlrn.qwest.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:18:11] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:18:18] * Guest34788 (~SuicidalZ@c-76-27-107-121.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:18:30] <Oshwah> Your theoretical situation is a good one though. [05:18:38] <[ceradon]> But that all boils down to blocking/protecting. [05:18:47] <Oshwah> Really it does. [05:18:58] <Oshwah> No users, all IP's, harrassing someone. [05:18:58] <[ceradon]> It may well not be a theoretical situation. [05:19:28] <[ceradon]> There are well over ten thousand editors who edit regularly. [05:19:45] <[ceradon]> And thousands upon thousands more who edit as an IP. [05:19:45] <Oshwah> If it's clear that the purpose of the edits from IP's is to harrass, maybe one warning is necessary, then block. [05:19:50] <Oshwah> Truth [05:20:10] <Oshwah> Blocking does not require that each person has been warned 4+ times beforehand. [05:20:54] <Oshwah> If the situation warrants it, squeeze the block trigger if it's unambiguous and blatant enough. [05:20:54] <Eatmeimaredbean> Thats always how I do it: I only go to arv after 4 warns [05:21:08] <[ceradon]> Surely _someone_ at the WMF must have thought of it as an eventuality that in a community as fractious and quarelsome as ours, there needs to be more stringent measures to combat harassment. [05:21:42] <[ceradon]> Thereis only so much our current system would allow. [05:22:15] <Oshwah> IMO, if it's beyond childish things or anything you could AGF in your mind... if blocking the IP without warning is a benefit given clear evidence of the intent to harm, it's up to common sense and admin discression. [05:22:37] <Oshwah> Of course, I'm talking about harrassment and other serious matters. [05:22:59] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:23:37] <[ceradon]> To lighten the topic, I give you: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kris_Humphries&diff=prev&oldid=671514516. [05:23:57] <[ceradon]> That made me laugh; is that wrong? [05:24:14] <Oshwah> Ha. No. I laugh at some vandalism too. [05:24:20] <Oshwah> And (of course) revert after. [05:24:25] <Sir_Designer> TrueCRaysball I downloaded that image. you know, it has padding on its sides. you may be seeing that interacting weirdly, not any lack of or extra centering on the part of the template codde for texts [05:25:01] <Sir_Designer> as control, include in a sandbox some known picture, like a headshot, instead [05:25:06] * ZeroSerenity (~ZeroSeren@67-6-130-217.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:25:22] <Oshwah> Some High Schoolers are creative with their immature edits. lol [05:25:29] <Clarkcj> ping [ceradon] [05:25:29] <[ceradon]> Indeed. [05:25:32] <[ceradon]> Yes? [05:25:57] <Clarkcj> Hey, [ceradon] I am not quite sure but I think this whole article might be a copyvio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliane_Lust [05:26:14] <Clarkcj> http://elianelust.com/eliane_lust_bio.pdf [05:26:22] * [ceradon] looks [05:26:41] * Princess_Zelda (~Isaac829@wikia/Isaac829) Quit (Quit: Just got kidnapped again.) [05:26:59] <Clarkcj> Because a lot of it seems to very closely match what is in that pdf. Also I noticed the article has been around for some time, since 2011 [05:27:02] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:27:30] <[ceradon]> This is lazy work right here: http://www.mtv.com/artists/eliane-lust/ [05:27:34] <Sir_Designer> Clarkcj [ceradon] lots of sites like last.fm include wikipedia texts verbatim, so... this is mtv, right? if the shoe fits... [05:28:30] <Clarkcj> Yep, I noticed that Sir_Designer so sites that use wikipedia texts verbatim aren't really reliable either. [05:28:52] * M132T003C (~MTC@wikimedia/MTC) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [05:29:16] <Sir_Designer> and some musicians use their wikipedia blps directly [05:29:19] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:30:00] <[ceradon]> What. The. Fuck. [05:30:15] <TrueCRaysball> Sir_Designer: I cropped the image myself, I know what it has, and prior to a few weeks ago, it centered just fine. [05:30:23] <[ceradon]> The article was ceated by a presumably experienced editor now. [05:31:15] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [05:31:47] <Clarkcj> That is true, that is one reason I just kind of would like an admin to review it just to make sure, As it *may* be a copyvio. And was that way since 2011 when the article was created. [05:32:17] <[ceradon]> Well Eliane Lust is definitely a copyvio. No question about it. [05:32:19] <Eatmeimaredbean> The most inactive times of this IRC channel are around midnight and 7-8am UTC. [05:32:25] <Clarkcj> And with what looks like it may be copy paste with some modifications. [05:33:10] <Clarkcj> Okay, what do you suggest doing [ceradon]? [05:33:28] <[ceradon]> Eloi, eloi, lama sabacthani. [05:33:46] <Clarkcj> huh? [05:33:51] <[ceradon]> Lastnight, I found a hoax, and I was kept up for hours figuring that ou. [05:33:53] <[ceradon]> Now. [05:34:19] <[ceradon]> I just ran a copyvio program over several of this user's creations. Coming back copyvios. [05:34:48] * M132T003C (~MTC@host31-49-177-133.range31-49.btcentralplus.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:34:49] * M132T003C (~MTC@host31-49-177-133.range31-49.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Changing host) [05:34:49] * M132T003C (~MTC@wikimedia/MTC) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:34:52] <Clarkcj> Wow. [05:35:06] <Eatmeimaredbean> I have been bold and G12'd it. [05:35:29] <[ceradon]> Not so fast. [05:36:08] <Eatmeimaredbean> "Be bold" ringt? [05:36:30] <[ceradon]> Well, yes. But, the article topic appears to be notable. Wikipedia should keep everything notable, for the benefit of our readers. As for the copyvio, that must go. [05:37:03] <Eatmeimaredbean> Ok how about replacing it with a copyvio tag [05:37:48] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:37:50] <[ceradon]> Yeah, sounds good. While I try and figure this out. [05:38:36] <Clarkcj> Funny enough I just found the page by clicking random page. [05:39:32] <Eatmeimaredbean> I once got an article i wrote on random page [05:40:35] <Eatmeimaredbean> Ok, one last thing: Would international sanctions against apartheid be a good topic to write an article on? [05:41:40] <Clarkcj> imho it would be, but it would be hard to make neutral as everyone has opinions. [05:41:47] <Sir_Designer> TrueCRaysball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mareklug/sandbox [05:41:53] * {soap|bed} (Soap@cpe-74-75-251-1.maine.res.rr.com) Quit [05:41:58] <Sir_Designer> clearly something is not centering the picture [05:42:08] <Sir_Designer> probably a transclusion artifact [05:42:18] <Clarkcj> So my advice would be to see if you can find a couple editors to work together on it to try to create the article. [05:42:30] * {Soap} is now known as {soap|bed} [05:42:32] <Sir_Designer> also, this infobox uses really old syntx for pictures, making me think it is out of kilter [05:42:38] <Eatmeimaredbean> I've requested it on the ZA wikiproject [05:42:54] <TrueCRaysball> I'll take a look at the code. [05:43:35] <Sir_Designer> ideally, TrueCRaysball you use syntax like this in contemporary infoboxes: |image = blah.jpg [05:43:57] <Sir_Designer> no File: and certainly no https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%20%20%20 or |248px [05:44:06] <Sir_Designer> [ [ ] ] i meant [05:44:50] <TrueCRaysball> I have some work on the MLB-related templates to do anyway. I'll add this update to my to do list [05:47:39] * a9309131 (~a930913@michi22.plus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:50:43] <Sir_Designer> Eatmeimaredbean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa see also section [05:51:09] <Sir_Designer> #See also ;) [05:51:53] * Sri_Designer (~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:53:34] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [05:53:39] <{soap|bed}> http://s3.amazonaws.com/inarticles/3acbc64200e6adff7913343129fddd5e.png [05:53:45] <{soap|bed}> Oregon is surprisingly affordable [05:53:48] * GEOFBOT|away (uid66582@wikimedia/Sn1per) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [05:54:26] <Sir_Designer> why is Virginia expensive? that has to be near-DC phenomenon spilling across the rest [05:54:39] <Sir_Designer> oregon is deserts [05:54:50] <{soap|bed}> Oregon is cheaper than Oklahoma [05:55:20] <Clarkcj> [ceradon]: any luck in figuring it out? [05:55:44] <{soap|bed}> and yeah I suspect Virginia's 114 score is an average of like 200 in the north and 80 in most of the rest of the state [05:55:53] <Sir_Designer> I'm not so sure about OK. Much of it is Indian reservations, so are those properly taken into account? [05:55:56] <[ceradon]> I'm opening a contributor copyright investigation. Look at this fucking madness: http://tools.wmflabs.org/contributionsurveyor/survey.php?user=BrendelSignature [05:55:59] <Sir_Designer> or excluded? [05:56:00] <[ceradon]> nonsenseferret, not that. [05:56:05] <[ceradon]> Geesh [05:56:19] <[ceradon]> I meant this: http://tools.wmflabs.org/contributionsurveyor/survey.php?user=BrendelSignature [05:56:23] * Sri_Designer (~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [05:56:40] <[ceradon]> Sorry nonsenseferret, nickname autocomple :'( [05:56:50] <[ceradon]> autocomplete* [05:56:54] <[ceradon]> I'm tired. [05:57:38] <[ceradon]> Anyway, we have a former admin that has a massive amount of copyright violations going for him. [05:58:00] <[ceradon]> Everywhere I look, there is a copyvio. [05:58:06] * Lubaf (~chatzilla@2001:558:6045:e1:c0cc:326a:3a5e:728b) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 39.0/20150630154324]) [05:58:16] <Clarkcj> Wow. [06:00:22] <{soap|bed}> i wonder why he resigned as admin [06:01:06] <comets> BrendelSignature is a former admin? O_O [06:02:07] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:02:30] * a9309131 (~a930913@michi22.plus.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:02:36] <{soap|bed}> looks like he left quietly without giving a reason. Thus, he could still get adminship back without a new RFA [06:03:40] <Sir_Designer> {soap|bed} relax, {soap|bed}. he will not know his behind from a fiery hole in hte ground once [ceradon] gets some sleep and then drags him over the wikicoals [06:03:48] <Sir_Designer> :| [06:04:02] <comets> Commons admins prefer to go out with a big bang :P [06:04:32] <{soap|bed}> a while back someone tried to run for adminship while a Copyright Investigation on them was going. It didnt go very well [06:05:23] * machbio (~machbio@50-90-224-213.res.bhn.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:06:19] * Matthew_ (~Matthewrb@wikimedia/matthewrbowker) Quit (Quit: Catch y'all later!) [06:06:32] <{soap|bed}> yeah hes probably gone [06:06:57] <{soap|bed}> he edited a bit after he was desysopped, didnt seem to care [06:07:16] * Jeske_Couriano (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 39.0/20150630154324]) [06:07:17] * foks (~sup@wikipedia/fox) Quit (Quit: zzzz) [06:07:20] * WaRpAtH (~xchat@wikimedia/Cometstyles) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:07:29] <{soap|bed}> wait no [06:07:31] <{soap|bed}> i misread [06:08:14] <Clarkcj> It does look like BrendelSignature hasn't edited though since 2013 [06:09:03] <Clarkcj> But anyways doesn't matter. [06:09:09] <{soap|bed}> they send out a bunch of emails before the desysop anyone, so if he at least checks his email he's had plenty of warning [06:09:24] * comets (~xchat@wikimedia/Cometstyles) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [06:13:32] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [06:21:05] * Oshwah is now known as Oshwah_Away [06:25:59] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:27:27] * JohnFLewis (uid17799@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [06:28:18] <[ceradon]> CCI added. [06:28:47] <Clarkcj> ok [06:29:05] <[ceradon]> I'll let the copyright experts handle that. [06:29:45] <{soap|bed}> oh wow tha tool is powerful [06:30:07] <[ceradon]> What is? [06:30:30] <[ceradon]> Clarkcj, as for the Eliane Lust article, I'm going to put it up for AfD. [06:30:35] <{soap|bed}> sorry [06:30:36] <{soap|bed}> https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Eliane+Lust&oldid=&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Felianelust.com%2Feliane_lust_bio.pdf [06:30:47] <[ceradon]> On a second look, doesn't look notable. [06:30:53] <{soap|bed}> ^^^^^^^that tool is pretty powerful [06:30:59] <[ceradon]> Yeah, Earwig is good like that. [06:31:06] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:31:31] <Earwig> <3 [06:31:54] <[ceradon]> lol [06:31:54] * catfox (~armucat@ip70-180-122-225.no.no.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.) [06:31:57] * [ceradon] waves [06:32:02] <Earwig> how's it going? [06:32:07] <[ceradon]> Pretty good. [06:32:11] <Earwig> cool, cool [06:33:27] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:34:34] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Client Quit) [06:35:21] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:36:14] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:36:21] * strainwrld (~strainwrl@a95-92-81-202.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [06:36:25] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Client Quit) [06:37:03] * catfox (~armucat@ip70-180-122-225.no.no.cox.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:37:15] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:38:16] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Client Quit) [06:39:01] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:40:07] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Client Quit) [06:40:51] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:42:43] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Client Quit) [06:44:39] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:44:51] * GriffinHeart (~griffinhe@ae151081.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:45:57] <[ceradon]> Wait, {soap|bed}, do you think I should just delete this as G12: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliane_Lust? [06:46:39] <[ceradon]> I don't think it's notable. [06:46:46] <[ceradon]> Not worth saving. [06:46:58] <[ceradon]> So I'm answering my own question, aren't I? [06:47:34] <{soap|bed}> Im not a good judge of the qualiuty of an article [06:47:39] <{soap|bed}> Im not the best to ask [06:48:06] <{soap|bed}> to be honest, i dont know what G12 even is, unless its "blatant copyright infringement" in which case I'd agree [06:48:14] <{soap|bed}> i never memorized the numbers [06:48:17] <{soap|bed}> i just use links when i need to [06:48:46] <{soap|bed}> ok yewah G12 means copyvio [06:49:06] <{soap|bed}> theres at lewast a chance someone might want to rewrite it [06:49:24] <{soap|bed}> I'd say let the AFD run and see if anyone thinks its notable [06:50:28] <Sir_Designer> [ceradon] g12 would be a simple copy and paste copyvio, but here the tool shows the editor camouflaged his borrowings. [06:51:17] <Sir_Designer> you suppose the pdf was written after our article? [06:53:14] <{soap|bed}> well the earliest diff of the article is a pretty classic example [06:53:16] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eliane_Lust&oldid=449667908 [06:53:28] <{soap|bed}> of something that is copypasted from soemwhere else [06:54:00] <{soap|bed}> e.g. links only near the top of the page, formatting errors, and of course, not a single reference [06:54:28] <[ceradon]> I'm gonna hit the hay. [06:54:36] <[ceradon]> Or... [06:54:38] <[ceradon]> Not yet. [06:54:46] * [ceradon] is true Wikipediaholic [06:54:58] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [06:55:00] <[ceradon]> Let me check AIV, etc. before i go. [06:55:01] <{soap|bed}> oh wow. also it was entirely pre-spaced [06:55:13] <{soap|bed}> thats wht the link to Gys [06:55:19] <{soap|bed}> *Gyorgy Sebok [06:55:23] <{soap|bed}> was broken [06:55:26] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eliane_Lust&action=edit&oldid=449667908 [06:55:34] <{soap|bed}> definitely copypastedc= [06:56:09] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Client Quit) [06:56:15] <{soap|bed}> oddl,y though, could be coppasted from another wiki, since it has malformed categories at the bottom [06:56:36] <{soap|bed}> anzyway IM going to try to slepee now too [06:56:41] <{soap|bed}> g;night [06:57:07] <Sir_Designer> as will I. night night. [06:57:37] <[ceradon]> Goodnight everyone. [06:57:50] * [ceradon] (~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:00:32] * fabior (~fabior@wikipedia/fabior1984) has joined #wikipedia-en [07:05:49] * IDoH is now known as IDoH|AfIRC [07:08:31] * neophyte2938 (~neophyte2@112.196.164.239) has joined #wikipedia-en [07:10:38] <Eatmeimaredbean> [ceradon] Have commented and encourage everyone else to comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eliane_Lust. 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It used to be that first and foremost, Wikipedia was an encyclopedia. And We weren't supposed to include future events or count downs to events in articles. Has that policy or norm changed? [12:59:43] <Eatmeimaredbean> i used to not understand why you shouldnt cite Wikipedia. now i finally understand [13:01:16] * fabior (~fabior@wikipedia/fabior1984) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:04:31] <kingturtle> why who shouldn't cite Wikipedia? [13:05:04] * p858snake|_ (~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:06:33] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:07:29] * p858snake (~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:08:04] * thehumanslayer12 (~thehumans@104-178-90-191.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:08:14] <thehumanslayer12> :o [13:08:16] * thehumanslayer12 (~thehumans@104-178-90-191.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net) has left #wikipedia-en [13:08:49] <Eatmeimaredbean> college papers [13:08:53] <RD> Because it's unreliable [13:08:59] <RD> You should cite the sources at the botom. [13:09:03] <RD> bottom* [13:09:10] <Eatmeimaredbean> Yeah well my lit teacher always said that [13:09:17] <kingturtle> Oh college papers? You shouldn't even cite Encyclopedia Brittanica [13:09:37] <Eatmeimaredbean> Or any general purpose ref work [13:09:50] <kingturtle> Not because Wikipedia is unreliable, but because it is an encyclopedia. You should never cite encyclopedias [13:10:05] <Eatmeimaredbean> But dont uni libraries keep journals? [13:10:16] <kingturtle> Encyclopedias are a starting point for research, not an end point [13:10:28] <Eatmeimaredbean> You gotta look at the sources [13:10:39] <kingturtle> What do journals have to do with this? [13:10:48] <Eatmeimaredbean> Science journals? [13:11:19] <kingturtle> Peer reviewed science journals are perfectly fine to cite [13:11:42] <Eatmeimaredbean> But thx for a great way to rebuff my lit teacher [13:12:20] <kingturtle> wait, how have we rebuffed your lit teacher? [13:13:58] <Eatmeimaredbean> a person tells you you cant go a mile, you explain to him why you cant go a half [13:14:15] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:16:04] <Eatmeimaredbean> also I think you did the whole explaining [13:16:44] * JohnFLewis (uid17799@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:17:35] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:22:33] * vicente__ (~vicente@177.159.59.228) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:24:14] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:26:41] * James_F|Away is now known as James_F [13:27:42] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:27:43] <Eatmeimaredbean> ping kingturtle [13:28:34] <kingturtle> your lit teacher said not to cite Wikipedia, and I agreed. I just don't know where the rebuff comes in [13:34:23] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:34:30] * Finne|sleep is now known as Finnegan [13:37:33] * geniice (~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:37:50] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:43:21] * Krauss64 (028bbbad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.139.187.173) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:43:32] <Krauss64> Hello! [13:43:46] <Krauss64> What is in Pluto's core? [13:44:30] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:46:43] * dbrant (~dbrant@wikimedia/dbrant-wmf) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:47:37] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [13:47:44] <Eatmeimaredbean> http://xkcd.com/1551/ [13:47:56] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:49:23] <Krauss64> Is it healthy to die? [13:50:06] <Eatmeimaredbean> Well that wouldnt even be a question [13:50:28] <Eatmeimaredbean> Its like asking "Is it a blank piece of paper black?" [13:51:04] <Krauss64> But your health is pure. [13:51:15] <Krauss64> You're not unhelthy. [13:51:16] * SailorHaumea (~DN-boards@unaffiliated/dn-boards1) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:51:20] <Krauss64> *unhealthy [13:51:30] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:51:33] <Krauss64> You're not sick. [13:51:47] * wildlander (~wild@unaffiliated/wildlander) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:52:01] <Eatmeimaredbean> The point of health is to stay alive w/o diseases [13:52:23] <Eatmeimaredbean> but dont interpret this as being against euthanasia [13:53:37] <Krauss64> No, halth only refers to things that can harm the body. [13:53:45] <Krauss64> But not necessarily being alive. [13:54:17] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@201.149.6.36) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:54:17] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@201.149.6.36) Quit (Changing host) [13:54:17] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@wikimedia/rdicerb-wmf) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:54:35] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:57:23] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [13:58:03] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [13:58:29] <Eatmeimaredbean> You should only consider euthanasia when "alive" and "disease" are mutually exclusive [13:58:33] <kingturtle> hmmm. if a black piece of paper has no marks on it, isn't it blank? [13:58:50] <Krauss64> I guess you're right. What would happen if you inhaled gas Einsteinium? [13:58:56] <Eatmeimaredbean> Semantically, no. [13:59:27] <Krauss64> Would it be healthy? [13:59:29] * James_F is now known as James_F|Away [14:01:29] * James_F|Away is now known as James_F [14:02:07] <Krauss64> Excuse me? [14:03:30] <Krauss64> What would happen if you juxtapositioned yourself with someone else? [14:03:54] * quiddity_ (~quiddity@ec2-50-112-50-28.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) Quit (Changing host) [14:03:54] * quiddity_ (~quiddity@wikipedia/quiddity) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:03:54] * quiddity_ is now known as quiddity [14:04:41] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:08:10] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:10:52] <Krauss64> Can death die? [14:11:17] <Krauss64> If death dies; what can die after it? [14:11:43] <Krauss64> Can death cease to exist? Does death even exist? Is death theconcept of absence of life? [14:14:02] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [14:14:48] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:16:00] * foks (~sup@wikipedia/fox) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:18:16] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:19:11] * Samwalton9 (~Samwalton@wikipedia/Samwalton9) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:20:15] * p858snake|_ (~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:23:46] * OlEnglish (~me@wikipedia/OlEnglish) Quit (Quit: audi) [14:24:29] <marktraceur> Krauss64: Death isn't a life form. Your question is silly. [14:24:40] <Krauss64> No, I don't mean that. [14:24:42] <marktraceur> Your last question is the only non-silly one. [14:24:48] <marktraceur> The answer is "yes". [14:24:56] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:24:57] <Krauss64> I am asking if death really exists. [14:25:12] <marktraceur> Krauss64: How deep do you want to go in answering this? [14:25:23] <marktraceur> Because I could point you to Descartes. [14:25:27] <Krauss64> But, let's say, there's no life on Neptune. Does that mean there's death on Neptune? [14:25:43] <marktraceur> In theory, I have no proof that I will ever die, because it has not happened yet. [14:25:51] <Krauss64> There has been no life on Neptune. Ever. So there cannot be death. [14:26:03] <JohnFLewis> marktraceur: you're immortal [14:26:05] <marktraceur> The concept of death as a result of certain actions could simply be a hallucination of mine perpetuated by persistent collective hallucinations. [14:26:13] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [14:26:14] <marktraceur> JohnFLewis: Well, yes, because if I die, you will all cease to exist [14:26:17] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [14:26:22] <Krauss64> I cannot be sure that you exist. Or anybody. Just myself. [14:26:46] <marktraceur> Krauss64: Yes, death is a state change. From life to non-life. So you would need to have life to have death. But that's not really an important distinction. [14:27:07] <Krauss64> But you said before that death was the absence of life! [14:27:14] <Krauss64> Therefore, there is death on Neptune. [14:27:27] <marktraceur> Well, I didn't really check. I think there are two meanings. [14:27:50] <Krauss64> But there hasn't been any kind of life on the planet either. [14:27:53] <marktraceur> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/death says it's "the cessation of life" so it's a transition. [14:28:12] <Krauss64> Oh. [14:28:24] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:28:26] <Krauss64> So there has to be life for death to exist? [14:29:00] <marktraceur> I mean, yes, but again, I don't understand why you would need to make that distinction. [14:29:12] <Krauss64> What do you mean? [14:29:13] * White_Cat (~eva@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:29:34] * fetus (uid32386@wikia/Iiii-I-I-I) Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [14:29:37] * geniice (~chatzilla@cpc75394-sotn16-2-0-cust294.15-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:29:37] * geniice (~chatzilla@cpc75394-sotn16-2-0-cust294.15-1.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Changing host) [14:29:37] * geniice (~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:29:49] <marktraceur> Krauss64: Why do you want to define the prerequisites for death existing? What is the purpose? [14:30:18] <Krauss64> Oh, nothing. Philosophic curiosity. [14:31:51] * rdaicche_ (~rdaiccher@201.149.6.36) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:32:04] <marktraceur> Ah. [14:32:39] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@wikimedia/rdicerb-wmf) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [14:32:39] * rdaicche_ is now known as rdaiccherlb [14:32:39] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Quit: Keilana) [14:33:05] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@201.149.6.36) Quit (Changing host) [14:33:05] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@wikimedia/rdicerb-wmf) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:33:11] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:34:18] * the-wub (~the_wub@wikimedia/the-wub) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:35:03] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:35:16] * AzaToth (~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:35:36] <Krauss64> Can death die? [14:35:46] * Keegan is now known as Keegan|Away [14:35:53] <Krauss64> What's nside a quantum string? [14:36:06] <Krauss64> What could be in there? [14:36:12] <marktraceur> Pie. [14:36:44] <Krauss64> What? [14:36:46] <Krauss64> Pie? [14:37:39] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@38.88.187.170) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:37:39] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@38.88.187.170) Quit (Changing host) [14:37:39] * MusikAnimal (~musikanim@wikipedia/MusikAnimal) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:37:45] <Krauss64> Pie inside a quantum string? [14:37:53] <Krauss64> How interesting. [14:38:31] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:38:46] <Krauss64> But seriously speaking. [14:38:55] <Krauss64> What about the interior of a brane? [14:39:29] <Krauss64> Do branes exist? [14:39:36] <Krauss64> Are branes separate Universes? [14:39:47] <Krauss64> Are branes being? [14:40:09] <Krauss64> Can a brane be justapositioned with another brane? [14:40:15] <Krauss64> Are branes branes [14:40:17] <Krauss64> ? [14:40:48] <GorillaWarfare> Krauss64: I think you're lost; this is a channel for discussing Wikipedia. [14:40:53] <GorillaWarfare> ##philosophy is over there [14:41:08] <geniice> Krauss64 death as a concept can stop when everything else dies and there is no evidence that quantum strings actually exist [14:42:04] <Krauss64> But if I die, not everything dies. [14:42:13] <Krauss64> Therefore, death doesn't exist. [14:42:22] <Krauss64> We all have to be dead for death to succeed. [14:42:58] <Krauss64> GorillaWarfare: Your link doesn't work. [14:43:48] <GorillaWarfare> /join ##philosophy [14:44:17] <Krauss64> Where is that? [14:44:40] <geniice> /join ##philosophy [14:44:50] <foks> /join ##philosophy [14:45:01] <geniice> type " /join ##philosophy" into your text bar [14:45:11] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:46:00] <Krauss64> Ok, I did that. [14:46:04] <Krauss64> Now what? [14:46:12] <geniice> hit enter [14:46:54] <Krauss64> Duh. [14:47:02] <Krauss64> I know. [14:47:08] <Krauss64> But now what? 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Hit enter. <------ that's a keeper [14:53:36] * the-wub (~the_wub@81.141.216.100) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:53:36] * the-wub (~the_wub@81.141.216.100) Quit (Changing host) [14:53:36] * the-wub (~the_wub@wikimedia/the-wub) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:54:23] * FDMS1 (~FDMS@194-166-152-226.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:54:24] * FDMS1 (~FDMS@194-166-152-226.adsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Changing host) [14:54:24] * FDMS1 (~FDMS@wikimedia/FDMS4) has joined #wikipedia-en [14:54:24] * FDMS is now known as Guest71388 [14:54:24] * Guest71388 (~FDMS@wikimedia/FDMS4) Quit (Killed (wilhelm.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) [14:54:24] * FDMS1 is now known as FDMS [14:54:51] * rdaiccherlb (~rdaiccher@wikimedia/rdicerb-wmf) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 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[15:29:05] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:34:44] * Keegan|Away is now known as Keegan [15:35:30] * contempt (contempt@unaffiliated/contempt) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:35:47] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:36:02] * Sir_Designer (~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:37:46] * contempt (contempt@unaffiliated/contempt) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:39:12] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:39:28] <geniice> hello [15:40:15] <Sir_Designer> hola [15:40:41] * Falcorian (~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:41:40] * mattbuck (~mattbuck@host31-53-163-100.range31-53.btcentralplus.com) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:45:53] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:47:24] <Sir_Designer> geniice did you enjoy yesterday's dive into a real poem? [15:48:10] * bewould (~bewould@220-245-223-154.tpgi.com.au) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:48:55] * Guest86008 (~KTC@201.149.6.36) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [15:49:18] <Sir_Designer> I mean, we are all somewhat 3 sigmas from normal under this wikimedia tree, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie%20Smith certainly would have fit here. [15:49:21] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:49:46] * Guest2031 (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Nick) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:49:56] * Princess_Zelda (~Isaac829@wikia/Isaac829) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:51:53] * SleepyOne (SleepyOne@gateway/conference/wikimedia/x-uhdslgyjeynnokue) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:51:57] <geniice> my outlook on poetry remains generally poor [15:52:00] * SleepyOne is now known as KTC [15:52:09] * KTC (SleepyOne@gateway/conference/wikimedia/x-uhdslgyjeynnokue) Quit (Changing host) [15:52:09] * KTC (SleepyOne@wikipedia/KTC) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:52:16] * KTC (SleepyOne@wikipedia/KTC) has left #wikipedia-en [15:54:06] <Sir_Designer> geniice is that an economic assessment? [15:54:14] <geniice> no [15:54:35] <Sir_Designer> but you know, generally there is no money in poetry [15:54:38] * neophyte2938 (~neophyte2@112.196.164.239) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:55:20] <geniice> Sir_Designer there are a number of rappers who would claim otherwise [15:56:01] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:56:31] <Sir_Designer> geniice I think some things which lie in the way as obstacles of someone keen such as yourself from liking poems is manyfold: a) they are generally too plentiful, b) they are too long, c) it is a hard task to tell the good ones from the bad, such as you just trucked out, rappers. -- verse vs. poetry / versifiers vs. poets [15:57:01] * Amortias (~SHDeludo@wikipedia/Amortias) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:57:15] <geniice> Hmmm? there are some rappers who are pretty good poets by most standards [15:57:41] <Sir_Designer> ...oh, SOME, in the same sense that I celebrate COME singer-songwriters, [15:57:59] <Sir_Designer> but generally, there is a huge difference between verse and poetry, [15:58:14] <Sir_Designer> SOME not COME [15:58:56] * dbrant is now known as dbrant|brb [15:59:30] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [15:59:50] <Sir_Designer> geniice see what I put atop of my user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mareklug [16:01:06] * vicente__ (~vicente@177.159.59.228) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [16:01:12] * Krauss64 (028bbbad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.139.187.173) has joined #wikipedia-en [16:01:19] <{soap|bed}> wb [16:01:27] <Krauss64> Excuse me? [16:01:30] <Sir_Designer> ...and I am afraid, it is the versifiers who make bling, not poets. [16:01:56] <Krauss64> Have you heard of Garcilaso de la Vega? [16:02:10] <{soap|bed}> yeah i think i went to high school with him [16:02:21] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 please refrain from trolling with truly insipid idiocies. I read the scrollback and you fell prey to my jaundiced eye. [16:02:35] * versa_gone (~Versageek@wikimedia/Versageek) has left #wikipedia-en ("Leaving") [16:03:16] <Krauss64> Wow. You must be very old. [16:03:20] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcilaso_de_la_Vega_(poet) oh, this was much much better. thanks [16:03:34] * fetus (uid32386@wikia/Iiii-I-I-I) has joined #wikipedia-en [16:03:43] <Krauss64> Hey, what happens if you drink a glass full of the chemichal substance that produces jaundice? [16:03:54] <Sir_Designer> sigh [16:03:56] <Krauss64> Would it taste good? [16:04:07] * meoblast001 (~meoblast@cable-89-16-136-148.cust.telecolumbus.net) has joined #wikipedia-en [16:04:27] * bewould (~bewould@220-245-223-154.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:04:29] <Krauss64> Sir_Designer: Where did I troll someone? [16:04:45] * neophyte2938 (~neophyte2@112.196.164.239) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> "[09:11:31] <Krauss64> Can death die? [16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> [09:11:56] <Krauss64> If death dies; what can die after it? [16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> [09:12:22] <Krauss64> Can death cease to exist? Does death even exist? Is death theconcept of absence of life? [16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> " [16:05:09] <Krauss64> Yes, where's the problem? [16:05:21] <Sir_Designer> I am a bit surprised you were not removed from the channel with a swift kick. [16:05:38] <Krauss64> I haven't offended or insulted anyone. [16:05:55] <Sir_Designer> that is not the same as trolling insipidly. [16:06:06] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:06:06] <Amortias> in answer to your question Krauss64 [16:06:07] <Krauss64> What I did there was not trolling. [16:06:26] <Amortias> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdHvHony9YA [16:06:51] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 if you prefer, you engaged in mendacious sophistry; now, how do you like them apples? [16:07:21] <Krauss64> Amortias: thanks. [16:07:46] <Krauss64> Sir_Designer: I don't care. I haven't spammed, flooded or trolled anyone. [16:08:34] <Sir_Designer> it is my contension that you trolled, and that the channel suffered you like a child. [16:08:35] * neophyte2938 (~neophyte2@112.196.164.239) has joined #wikipedia-en [16:08:43] <Sir_Designer> contention * [16:08:47] <Krauss64> Amortias: but I don't think death works that way. [16:09:10] <Krauss64> I did not make any childish or immature comments, I believe. [16:09:34] * Jan\ (kvirc@198.13.228.94) has joined #wikipedia-en [16:10:00] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 Denial is a river in Egypt, if you insist on lowering the level of discourse. [16:10:11] <Amortias> ok how about we all agree to disagree on whatever it weas that was said as a different opinion and get back to working on improving the encyclopedia? [16:10:31] * foks (~sup@wikipedia/fox) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:10:36] <Amortias> which i hoped was a phrase i never thought id ahve to say [16:10:48] <Krauss64> Sir_Designer: We weren't talking about geography. [16:11:02] <Sir_Designer> Amortias I have a standing request to provide English descriptions to a key Commons asset where they are only now figuring in German. Any takers? [16:11:49] <Amortias> my comprehension of german allows me to order a beer and tell people im diabetic [16:12:07] <Krauss64> I see.