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Note: This log is a segment of User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05
May 07 00:00:08 <geniice>	whats the move to commons template?
May 07 00:00:21 <Gfoley4>	{{move to commons}}
May 07 00:00:50 <Gfoley4>	or {{subst:mtc}}
May 07 00:01:32 *	p858snake|l (~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake) has joined #wikipedia-en
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May 07 00:01:45 *	Randomguy83 is about to quit
May 07 00:01:52 *	Randomguy83 has quit (Quit: 'cause it's Friday)
May 07 00:02:29 <milo_went>	and its saturday to some.   night all.
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May 07 00:03:31 *	HuckFinn (~HuckFinn@112-213-200-165.bb.ispone.net.au) has joined #wikipedia-en
May 07 00:03:55 <Meepsheep>	{{StripWhitespace}} :)
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May 07 00:05:42 *	geniice randomly uploads a pic of a boat http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albacore_dinghy_april_2011.JPG
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May 07 00:09:21 <Meepsheep>	lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami#Problem_with_Template:IPAsym
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May 07 00:09:59 <Guerillero>	!op can you please remove the troll
May 07 00:10:09 <Guerillero>	he is advertising his vandalism
May 07 00:10:11 <Meepsheep>	Who is the troll?
May 07 00:10:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	EAT BRAINS
May 07 00:10:41 <Thehelpfulone>	who?
May 07 00:10:44 <Guerillero>	that would be a zombie DF
May 07 00:10:47 <killiondude>	would the real troll please raise their hand
May 07 00:10:55 <foks|vaek>	Meepsheep
May 07 00:11:02 <Meepsheep>	what about me?
May 07 00:11:12 <killiondude>	Yes, well. We know they are a troll but they haven't done anything in here.
May 07 00:11:12 <foks|vaek>	!ops Give 'im a kick, would you?
May 07 00:11:22 <foks|vaek>	sigh
May 07 00:11:24 <killiondude>	Guerillero: That's not advertising vandalism. :|
May 07 00:11:31 <foks|vaek>	love the ops in here
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May 07 00:11:58 <killiondude>	Ask Prodego.
May 07 00:12:08 <Meepsheep>	don't ask him
May 07 00:12:12 <Meepsheep>	he feeds lies
May 07 00:12:15 <foks|vaek>	Why not? scared?
May 07 00:12:19 <foks|vaek>	fuck's sake
May 07 00:12:23 <Logan_>	foks|vaek: /ignore is an amazing command
May 07 00:12:29 *	foks|vaek goes back to idling
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May 07 00:12:30 <Gfoley4>	rly?
May 07 00:12:49 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to killiondude
May 07 00:12:50 *	killiondude sets ban on *!*@c-98-245-197-226.hsd1.co.comcast.net
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May 07 00:12:52 *	killiondude has kicked Meepsheep from #wikipedia-en (Meepsheep)
May 07 00:12:55 <killiondude>	I read the wrong section.
May 07 00:12:57 *	ChanServ removes channel operator status from killiondude
May 07 00:13:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	can we ban him from the channel?
May 07 00:13:28 <killiondude>	I did.
May 07 00:13:29 <Gfoley4>	just did ^^
May 07 00:13:45 <foks|vaek>	sweet moves killiondude
May 07 00:13:55 <foks|vaek>	now to move on with life and such
May 07 00:14:01 <Prodego>	I mean, he'll be back
May 07 00:14:10 <Prodego>	so it won't accomplish a super lot
May 07 00:14:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	can we have him killed?
May 07 00:14:36 *	matthewrbowker has quit (Quit: Catch y'all later!)
May 07 00:14:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm not talking about a kline
May 07 00:14:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	I'm talking about having him actually killed. Ending his life. Making him a total organ donor.
May 07 00:15:01 <killiondude>	I'm sure it's possible. The logistics and legality are questionable.
May 07 00:15:06 <foks|vaek>	lol
May 07 00:15:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, the logistics are easy enough.
May 07 00:15:25 <Peter-C>	I will eat you all >:|
May 07 00:15:31 <killiondude>	#fat
May 07 00:15:46 <Peter-C>	:(
May 07 00:15:58 <Logan_>	killiondude: what about it?
May 07 00:16:31 <killiondude>	[[hashtags]] look like channel names on irc occasionally
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May 07 00:19:25 <KFP>	killiondude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE
May 07 00:21:16 <killiondude>	heh
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May 07 00:25:09 <Logan_>	SpitfireWP: :P
May 07 00:25:26 <Logan_>	killiondude: /join #fat
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May 07 00:26:43 <KFP>	>.>
May 07 00:26:47 <Logan_>	<.<
May 07 00:27:51 <killiondude>	obesity is a disease like alcoholism
May 07 00:27:54 <killiondude>	don't catch it
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May 07 00:28:38 <Logan_>	I am incapable of obesity no matter how much I eat :P
May 07 00:30:01 <Sunderland06>	Logan_: Are you trying to become obese? :p
May 07 00:30:10 <Logan_>	heh
May 07 00:30:15 <Logan_>	didn't mean to imply that
May 07 00:31:23 <Delta>	any admins around that want to pad their deletion counts?
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May 07 00:31:54 <Logan_>	does this look like a copyvio to anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alan_Irvine_After_Getting_The_Job.jpg
May 07 00:32:33 *	barts1a sniffs
May 07 00:32:33 <Courcelles>	Logan_, it stinks of one...
May 07 00:32:34 <barts1a>	smells like it
May 07 00:32:40 <MacMed>	Logan_: oui
May 07 00:33:02 <Logan_>	yo copyvio, imma let you finish, but PUF have one of the best deletion processes of all time
May 07 00:33:30 <barts1a>	that got old 2 years ago
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May 07 00:33:49 <Logan_>	so did you
May 07 00:33:55 <killiondude>	oh burn
May 07 00:34:07 <barts1a>	*yawn*... got anything GOOD?
May 07 00:34:13 <Logan_>	killiondude: :P
May 07 00:34:37 <Logan_>	barts1a: no, I'm not tired enough
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May 07 00:34:50 <Lyrithya>	What's a dab page?
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May 07 00:35:46 <barts1a>	Disambiguation page
May 07 00:35:47 <NuclearWarfare>	[[WP:DISAMBIG]]
May 07 00:35:55 <Lyrithya>	Oh, right. >.<
May 07 00:35:58 <NuclearWarfare>	Logan_: speedied
May 07 00:36:06 <Logan_>	NuclearWarfare: heh, I just PUFed it
May 07 00:36:11 <Logan_>	oops :P
May 07 00:36:31 *	Logan_ removes
May 07 00:36:42 <barts1a>	Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_May_6#6_May_2011
May 07 00:36:43 <Logan_>	but thanks NW
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May 07 00:39:02 <Gfoley4>	fantasy baseball advice, plz: Trade Votto for Berkman & Carlos Quentin ?
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May 07 00:42:43 <Gfoley4>	wtf
May 07 00:44:17 <Thehelpfulone>	Gfoley4: Gfoley4 has left wolfe.freenode.net (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
May 07 00:44:30 <Gfoley4>	:/
May 07 00:44:34 <Logan_>	Gfoley4: peer doesn't like you
May 07 00:44:40 <Logan_>	you'll have to accept that fact
May 07 00:44:58 <MacMed>	barts1a: that DRV is just silly
May 07 00:45:06 <barts1a>	IKR
May 07 00:45:57 <MacMed>	who is this scott mac person
May 07 00:46:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's Doc Glasgow
May 07 00:47:54 <MacMed>	oh he changed names?
May 07 00:48:11 <MacMed>	ps what's the template for lacking a fair use rationale
May 07 00:48:33 <Gfoley4>	use twinkle
May 07 00:48:40 <MacMed>	blah
May 07 00:48:42 <Gfoley4>	under "DI"
May 07 00:48:57 <MacMed>	i hate doing two when i've already edited :P
May 07 00:50:15 <Logan_>	MacMed: {{di-no fair use rationale|date=6 May 2011}}
May 07 00:50:34 <MacMed>	i already twinkled :p thanks though
May 07 00:51:01 <Logan_>	haha, np
May 07 00:51:05 *	Logan_ glares at Gfoley4 
May 07 00:51:12 <Gfoley4>	9-9
May 07 00:51:18 *	Logan_ throws a whale at Gfoley4 
May 07 00:51:20 *	Logan_ walks away
May 07 00:52:12 <MacMed>	walk away bitch
May 07 00:52:14 <MacMed>	:D
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May 07 00:55:41 <Logan_>	Excess Flood O_O
May 07 00:56:13 <barts1a>	dammit.... they opened the floodgates again...
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May 07 00:58:33 <Logan_>	Shirik: I hope you weren't injured
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May 07 01:02:37 <Logan_>	(bad joke)
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May 07 01:37:03 *	lol is now known as derp
May 07 01:37:12 <GorillaWarfare>	¬.¬ Quiet around here...
May 07 01:37:19 *	derp farts.
May 07 01:37:32 *	barts1a derps
May 07 01:37:33 *	derp barts1as
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May 07 01:40:03 <wctaiwan>	on the BlackBerry PlayBook: "Not useful as a computer; too light to serve as a doorstop."
May 07 01:42:12 <derp>	heh
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May 07 01:44:29 *	[DQ|work] is now known as DeltaQuad
May 07 01:48:10 <derp>	DeltaQuad, where do you work?
May 07 01:48:46 <DeltaQuad>	mcdonalds...maybe WMF this summer
May 07 01:48:55 <derp>	cool :)
May 07 01:48:58 <derp>	fry cook?
May 07 01:49:14 <DeltaQuad>	Grills are my specialty, but anything in back
May 07 01:49:47 <derp>	ah ok
May 07 01:49:52 *	derp works at Google Montreal
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May 07 01:50:15 <Jeske_Couriano>	I think Off2riorob has lost it.
May 07 01:50:27 <Jeske_Couriano>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pending_changes/Request_for_Comment_February_2011#Closing_status
May 07 01:52:46 <Herodotus>	wctaiwan: That hasn't stopped people from gobbling up iPads.
May 07 01:53:30 <wctaiwan>	Herodotus: the person was talking about PlayBook in particular. I'm not interested in a tablet debate (right now :P), I just thought the condescending tone was hilarious.
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May 07 02:39:23 <Gfoley4>	I love it when you find a bunch of refs for an article :D
May 07 02:39:33 <Gfoley4>	even if you have to pay for it :(
May 07 02:39:43 <Glass_Arm>	agreed
May 07 02:39:55 <Glass_Arm>	i trust articles with several refs
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May 07 02:44:15 <Dcoetzee>	"Articles with several refs are trustworthy.<ref>Glass_Arm, IRC, 6 May 2011.</ref>"
May 07 02:45:08 <Gfoley4>	don't forget "#wikipedia-en"
May 07 02:45:09 <Gfoley4>	;)
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May 07 02:46:25 <KFP>	\o Dcoetzee. :)
May 07 02:46:32 *	Dcoetzee waves to KFP :-)
May 07 02:48:56 <sonia>	I don't get a wave? :P
May 07 02:49:14 *	Glass_Arm does not wave to sonia
May 07 02:49:32 <Peter-C>	Gfoley4 is my lover
May 07 02:49:37 *	Peter-C licks Gfoley4
May 07 02:49:45 *	Peter-C makes sonia jelous
May 07 02:49:53 <sonia>	o_O
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May 07 02:50:03 <sonia>	I'm happy to watch the fun :)
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May 07 02:53:13 <KFP>	o/ sonia.
May 07 02:53:40 *	sonia waves to KFP
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May 07 02:56:25 <geniice>	hmm man drinks his own homeopathic piss
May 07 02:56:27 <geniice>	http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2009/09/if-homeopathy-works-ill-drink-my-own.html
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May 07 03:03:04 <Gfoley4>	hi Peter-C
May 07 03:03:07 <Gfoley4>	<3
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May 07 03:32:16 <Sp33dyphil>	Hi everyone
May 07 03:32:23 <Sp33dyphil>	What time is it in the US?
May 07 03:32:36 <MacMed>	depends on where in the US
May 07 03:32:56 <Sp33dyphil>	NYC
May 07 03:33:19 <KFP>	Sp33dyphil: 22:33 on Friday.
May 07 03:33:57 <Sp33dyphil>	Oh, so Melbourne Australia is 14 hours ahead; it's 12:34
May 07 03:34:38 <Sp33dyphil>	Does someone mind reviewing an article currently at WP:GAN?
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May 07 03:38:39 <Sp33dyphil>	Anyone home?
May 07 03:39:06 <Sp33dyphil>	Why are there a whole list of logged-in users, but there's no activity?
May 07 03:39:20 *	sonia shrugs
May 07 03:39:26 <sonia>	because most of us are idle, doing other things but here
May 07 03:39:34 <Glass_Arm>	Sp33dyphil: you must be new here
May 07 03:39:43 *	MacMed is editing a random economics article
May 07 03:39:48 <MacMed>	and i'm a science guy
May 07 03:39:57 <Glass_Arm>	I'm useless
May 07 03:39:58 *	sonia is making an SVG of a PD-textlogo
May 07 03:40:01 <Sp33dyphil>	Yep - I spend most of my time editiing
May 07 03:40:33 <Glass_Arm>	I just idle here because i appreciate Wikipedia's goal
May 07 03:40:34 <Sp33dyphil>	Anyway, is anyone kind enough to review Neil Armstrong, which is currently at WP:GAN?
May 07 03:40:52 <Sp33dyphil>	Glass Arm: hehe
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May 07 03:41:11 <MacMed>	Sp33dyphil: how long has it been waiting? cause there is quite the backlog :P
May 07 03:41:29 <Sp33dyphil>	Four days, maybe
May 07 03:41:38 <Sp33dyphil>	Please prioritise
May 07 03:41:52 <Sp33dyphil>	Please review those that are older first
May 07 03:42:24 <MacMed>	it'll be a while Sp33dyphil. the oldest ones are almost 2 months
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May 07 03:42:53 <Sp33dyphil>	If you want, you can simply call my Phil
May 07 03:43:05 <Sp33dyphil>	No problem
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May 07 03:53:05 <LauraHale>	It is a beautiful afternoon.
May 07 03:53:11 *	sonia waves to LauraHale
May 07 03:53:23 *	LauraHale waves back to sonia
May 07 03:53:29 <LauraHale>	A new person to harrass!
May 07 03:53:35 <LauraHale>	How are you post tornado?
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May 07 03:53:59 <KFP>	LauraHale: It's 05:53 silly.
May 07 03:55:01 <LauraHale>	12:54pm on Saturday on Free Comic Book Day.
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May 07 03:56:07 <KFP>	LauraHale: (That was 5:53 am for you sill 12-hour clock people.)
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May 07 03:56:22 <sonia>	LauraHale: fine
May 07 03:57:01 <LauraHale>	KFP: Good time to be up. :)
May 07 03:57:14 <KFP>	._.
May 07 03:57:22 <LauraHale>	sonia: No new earthquakes, typhoons, tornados, mudslides, volcanos in New Zealand?
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May 07 03:57:57 <sonia>	LauraHale: nope; managed to accidentally get chemical burns (never pair me up with a similarly insane lab partner) but no big events
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May 07 03:59:08 <LauraHale>	...
May 07 03:59:14 <LauraHale>	chemical burns are not good.
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May 07 03:59:42 <LauraHale>	How will people like hedgehog huggles you if touching you damages you?
May 07 04:00:10 <sonia>	heh
May 07 04:00:23 <sonia>	touching me doesn't damage me overly; I'm just not sure the scarring will actually go away :p
May 07 04:01:08 <geniice>	sonia what were they from?
May 07 04:01:21 <sonia>	I don't actually know :p
May 07 04:01:27 <geniice>	what was the result?
May 07 04:01:52 <LauraHale>	Ouchies to scarring.
May 07 04:02:03 <sonia>	was heating unknown chemical w/ NaOH and it basically blew up
May 07 04:02:40 <geniice>	so heat and alkali burns
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May 07 04:02:54 <geniice>	harmless
May 07 04:02:57 <sonia>	woot
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May 07 04:03:36 <geniice>	heat burns will be pretty minor you would know what had burned you and the worse the NaOH will have does is convent some of you under skin fat into soap
May 07 04:03:50 <geniice>	and if it was in solution it is unlikely to have gone too deep
May 07 04:04:17 <geniice>	sonia you doing any biology?
May 07 04:04:22 <sonia>	nope
May 07 04:05:08 <geniice>	hmm then the most problematical chemical you are likely to face is silver nitrate. results in black blotches on the skin
May 07 04:05:22 <geniice>	they fade after a while though
May 07 04:05:28 <sonia>	that might be it, then
May 07 04:06:03 <geniice>	Can't see why you would have been heating that with NaOH
May 07 04:06:12 *	sonia has no idea
May 07 04:06:23 <sonia>	I walked in late and my partner was halfway through whatever we were meant to be doing
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May 07 04:06:31 *	geniice isn't the best of chemists and has a worry amount of experience of what happens if you get stuff on your hands
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May 07 04:07:02 <geniice>	strangely the worse was potassium chloride
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May 07 04:07:22 <sonia>	what happened there? :p
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May 07 04:07:56 <geniice>	spilled a solution of it onto my hand and I had a slight cut. potassium chloride really stimulates the nerves so it hurt a lot
May 07 04:08:48 <geniice>	other than that just ended up with some interesting colours
May 07 04:09:07 <sonia>	heh
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May 07 04:12:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh god, [[The MoonQuest]] - this is awful
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May 07 04:46:58 <MickWithoutGlass>	Well, I'm here
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May 07 04:48:01 <KFP>	So it seems.
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May 07 05:40:29 <sonia>	!$@#%#$%#$^
May 07 05:40:37 <LauraHale>	What now?
May 07 05:40:47 *	LauraHale offers sonia hot chocolate from Koko Black.
May 07 05:40:49 <sonia>	Inkscape crashed on me :p
May 07 05:41:31 <sonia>	and I lost a shitload of work
May 07 05:41:39 <KFP>	sonia: ...But of course you'd saved your chang... Oh.
May 07 05:41:43 <sonia>	:P
May 07 05:41:52 *	sonia really really should remember to do that more often
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May 07 05:56:25 <Teles>	evening
May 07 05:57:24 <Teles>	I have a problem with a word that exist on English but apparently doesn't exist on Portuguese... I wonder if I can ask help here
May 07 05:57:39 <Teles>	"outreach"
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May 07 06:00:05 <Teles>	is it similar to "proactive"?
May 07 06:00:43 <sonia>	hmm
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May 07 06:00:46 <sonia>	not really
May 07 06:00:52 <KFP>	Hello Teles. Depends a bit on context.
May 07 06:01:37 <Teles>	I know it is not :( ... but it is the closest I could get
May 07 06:02:01 <Teles>	this text is not good on portuguese version http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_2011_Update&uselang=en
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May 07 06:03:42 <KFP>	Teles: In this context "attempt to provide services beyond conventional limits" might be close.
May 07 06:03:50 <Teles>	"Increasing community awareness of these issues and supporting outreach efforts of individuals, groups and Chapters"
May 07 06:04:25 <Teles>	hmm
May 07 06:04:53 <KFP>	Teles: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/outreach   <-- See the last entry of the noun section.
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May 07 06:06:48 <KFP>	Teles: ...Or per Wiktionary: "The act or practice of visiting and providing the services (of a charity or other organization) to people who might not otherwise have access to those services."
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May 07 06:08:57 <Teles>	I'm trying to find a word that fits better...
May 07 06:10:17 <KFP>	Teles: ...For the English language page?
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May 07 06:11:01 <Teles>	to translate it to Portuguese version
May 07 06:12:05 <KFP>	Teles: There might not be a single word in Portuguese. I can't think of one in Finnish (my native language).
May 07 06:14:47 <Teles>	yeah... I think there isn't indeed :s
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May 07 06:16:19 <Teles>	thanks for helping, KFP :)
May 07 06:16:47 <KFP>	Teles: Languages are different. Not only in terms of vocabulary and grammar but also in some other ways.
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May 07 06:18:39 <Teles>	hmm... what is your point?
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May 07 06:19:32 <KFP>	Teles: Just that accurate translation is not always easy.
May 07 06:21:12 <Teles>	I see
May 07 06:26:12 <Teles>	that doesn't appear to be an easy case... the problem is that the current version is wrong and not only that phrase
May 07 06:27:04 <Teles>	somebody used a translator I guess...
May 07 06:28:14 <sonia>	oh dear, translators
May 07 06:28:19 <KFP>	Teles: Just to be clear, I don't know portuguese at all.
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May 07 06:29:11 <Headbomb>	BTW
May 07 06:29:13 <Headbomb>	i'm not drunk
May 07 06:29:15 <Headbomb>	not AT ALL
May 07 06:29:22 <Headbomb>	just to be clear
May 07 06:29:57 <KFP>	;|
May 07 06:30:54 <Teles>	I've just seen the Spanish version... is not correct either
May 07 06:31:02 <Headbomb>	it's OK
May 07 06:31:08 <Headbomb>	i'm not drunk in spanish too
May 07 06:32:47 <Teles>	I will get drunk and find the solution
May 07 06:33:10 <Headbomb>	that is a PHENOMENALLY GOOD IDEA
May 07 06:33:16 <Teles>	works with my homework
May 07 06:33:45 <Headbomb>	but a bigger question is...
May 07 06:33:51 <Headbomb>	should i eat my contacts?
May 07 06:34:26 <sonia>	depends if you mean contact lenses or human contacts
May 07 06:34:34 <Headbomb>	contact lenses
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May 07 06:36:33 <Teles>	thank god it's not human contact... there are two possible translations to "eating human contacts" on Portuguese... none of them are good
May 07 06:37:05 <Headbomb>	well human contacts would be awesome to eat if they were the female kind
May 07 06:37:26 <Headbomb>	but unfortunately, they aren't
May 07 06:38:36 <Headbomb>	i think i'll defer to wisdom and not eat my contacts
May 07 06:38:53 <Headbomb>	i'm pretty sure nothing would go wrong, but why take chances
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May 07 08:28:21 <Douche>	bad killiondude !
May 07 08:28:28 <killiondude>	who what where
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May 07 08:28:33 <Douche>	:P
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May 07 08:48:24 <Ironholds>	whelp, turns out that the no-to-AV campaigners were right
May 07 08:48:31 <Ironholds>	the British public really are fucking imbeciles
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May 07 08:49:40 <sonia>	Ironholds: ?
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May 07 08:50:37 <zscout370>	sonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011
May 07 08:50:48 *	sonia clicks
May 07 08:51:00 <foks>	Ironholds, *pet pet*
May 07 08:51:20 *	MuZemike is tempted to redirect [[Facepalm]] to [[User:Jack Merridew]]
May 07 08:51:32 <sonia>	heh, MuZemike
May 07 08:51:45 <paradoxaz>	Hello ;)
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May 07 08:52:12 *	sonia huggles Pesky
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May 07 08:53:33 <Sp33dyphil>	Is anyone here free?
May 07 08:53:39 *	Pesky gives Sonia ecstatic licky wolfly greeting
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May 07 08:54:15 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil: I don't think any of us charge …… what did you want?
May 07 08:54:15 *	MuZemike doesn't know if he should say "hi" back
May 07 08:54:41 *	Pesky wags tail at MuZemike 
May 07 08:55:21 <Sp33dyphil>	You see, I'm in the WikiCup, and I'm wondering if anyone could review Neil Armstrong, which is at WP:GAN, at the very bottom
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May 07 08:55:48 <TBloemink>	Lol? my user page has been revdeld XD
May 07 08:55:55 <Pesky>	Errrrk …. I've only ever done one GAR so far, which was a bit deadline-stressy
May 07 08:55:57 *	sonia deletes TBloemink altogether
May 07 08:56:07 <Tyw7|mobile>	Hello
May 07 08:56:13 <TBloemink>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TBloemink&diff=next&oldid=426853350
May 07 08:56:27 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  someone else is probably a better bet for you
May 07 08:56:40 <TBloemink>	was that annoying user yesterday, the same page was copied like 6 times on his user talk page
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May 07 08:56:48 <Sp33dyphil>	OK
May 07 08:57:02 <Pesky>	I am still very novicey at GAR
May 07 08:57:08 <TBloemink>	oh, that's not the only one
May 07 08:57:17 <Pesky>	But there are loads of good folks on here that would be good
May 07 08:57:28 *	sonia is not one of them, unfortunately
May 07 08:57:39 <Sp33dyphil>	It doesn't have to your prowess
May 07 08:57:44 <Sp33dyphil>	Give it another go
May 07 08:57:46 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee is a good reviewer
May 07 08:57:51 <Pesky>	Hey Dcoetzee
May 07 08:57:55 <Sp33dyphil>	LOL
May 07 08:58:04 <Dcoetzee>	Aww
May 07 08:58:05 <Sp33dyphil>	"Hey Dcoetzee"
May 07 08:58:08 <Dcoetzee>	I'm more novice than you think
May 07 08:58:09 *	Pesky does ecstatic huggy waggy-taily wolfly greeting
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May 07 08:58:15 *	Dcoetzee hugs Pesky
May 07 08:58:21 *	Pesky licks Dcoetzee  half to death with glee
May 07 08:58:29 *	Dcoetzee scratches behind Pesky's ears.
May 07 08:59:01 <Sp33dyphil>	How do you do that
May 07 08:59:07 *	Pesky wriggles with ecstasy and does squealy excited whiney noises
May 07 08:59:15 <Sp33dyphil>	Typing without your name next to your comment
May 07 08:59:25 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee:  you did a good review on that other article, which was why I thought of you
May 07 08:59:26 <sonia>	Sp33dyphil: use /me , for example /me eats a cookie
May 07 08:59:39 *	Sp33dyphil eats a cookie
May 07 08:59:40 <Pesky>	you put a / and then 'me' which enters your name
May 07 08:59:42 <Dcoetzee>	Pesky: I appreciate it :-)
May 07 08:59:53 <Sp33dyphil>	Ohh
May 07 08:59:55 <Pesky>	It was a really good, well-thought-out, thorough review
May 07 09:00:26 <Dcoetzee>	:-) Well it was a lot of work ;-) But I enjoy reviewing things meticulously.
May 07 09:00:45 <Pesky>	It certainly struck me as meticulous and very, very fair
May 07 09:01:04 <Pesky>	So would you dp Sp33dyphil 's GAR for him/her?
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May 07 09:01:10 <Sp33dyphil>	Him
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May 07 09:01:15 *	Sp33dyphil is a him
May 07 09:01:21 <Sp33dyphil>	*he
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May 07 09:01:44 <Pesky>	Hi "he"
May 07 09:01:48 *	Pesky is a she
May 07 09:02:01 <Pesky>	… and also a were-human
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May 07 09:02:08 <Pesky>	the wolf side is the light side
May 07 09:02:16 <Pesky>	the human side you might not like ……
May 07 09:02:16 <Guest69258>	#defocus
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May 07 09:02:28 <Dcoetzee>	I honestly might be a bit too preoccupied to do a GAR soon :-/ Sorry
May 07 09:02:42 <Sp33dyphil>	Alright
May 07 09:02:46 <Pesky>	What a shame :o(  Can you poke someone else who might be good?
May 07 09:03:00 <Sp33dyphil>	I think they're all asleep
May 07 09:03:27 <Pesky>	Do you have a dealine for this?
May 07 09:03:31 <Pesky>	deadline
May 07 09:04:32 <Hedgehog456>	'Dealine'? Are you sure you did not mean 'hardcore porn'? Showing results for 'hardcore porn'. 1-50 images displayed.
May 07 09:05:08 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456:  - you want to do a GAR?
May 07 09:05:23 <Pesky>	Can you?
May 07 09:05:25 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: I /could/ but I don't know how
May 07 09:05:40 <Hedgehog456>	And I'm gone until 12.00 UTC
May 07 09:05:43 <Pesky>	Ahhh.  I'm kinda chickening out coz I feel too novicey ...
May 07 09:05:58 *	Hedgehog456 looks at WP:GAR
May 07 09:06:04 <Sp33dyphil>	At the bottom
May 07 09:06:08 <Hedgehog456>	If you give me a minute I might be able to
May 07 09:06:14 <Sp33dyphil>	Its at the very bottom
May 07 09:06:18 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456:  it should take you a lot longer than a minute!
May 07 09:06:24 <Pesky>	Like, probably several days
May 07 09:06:28 <Pesky>	To do it properly
May 07 09:06:31 <Hedgehog456>	No, to see what they are ;)
May 07 09:06:34 <Pesky>	And help it along if needed
May 07 09:06:41 <Sp33dyphil>	Neil Armstrong
May 07 09:07:41 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  you can actually speed the whole process up by checking it against the GA criteria, and going through it to check for silly little things like whether there are non-breaking spaces everywhere there should be, and so on, before someone starts on it
May 07 09:08:02 <Pesky>	Imagine you were the wold's most evil reviewer checking it for someone else
May 07 09:08:20 <Sp33dyphil>	OK
May 07 09:08:35 *	Sp33dyphil review [[Neil Armstrong]]
May 07 09:08:47 <Pesky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ealdgyth/GA_review_cheatsheet
May 07 09:08:58 <Pesky>	Use that link - it's a really, really good checklist
May 07 09:09:14 <Pesky>	And be harsh on the article with it
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May 07 09:09:29 <Pesky>	The more you can 'fix' now, the quicker yopur eventual reviewer can go throught it
May 07 09:09:36 <Hedgehog456>	REALLY harsh
May 07 09:09:38 <Pesky>	Could save you days
May 07 09:10:08 <Pesky>	Seriously - imagine that you are the reviewer from Hell
May 07 09:10:15 <Hedgehog456>	If it doesn't meet the requirements CSD, AfD and blank it :D Just joking
May 07 09:10:23 <Pesky>	.. that way, whoever finally does it should find absolutely nothing left to fix or query
May 07 09:11:36 <Hedgehog456>	If I was a GA reviewer I'd be like "ONE SPELLING MISTAKE, '''FAIL''' --~~~~"
May 07 09:11:39 <Pesky>	Check every scrap of prose - remove hanging qualifiers �(sentences starting with 'but', 'however' stuff like that)
May 07 09:11:53 <Pesky>	Hedgehog456:  if you were a good reviewer, you'd just go fix it
May 07 09:12:02 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 09:12:10 <Pesky>	… put 'lost' clauses back into the middle of their sentences
May 07 09:12:12 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: that's honestly what I'd do
May 07 09:12:30 <Hedgehog456>	Pesky: like, Bob went shop to the however?
May 07 09:12:36 <Pesky>	The one I did, I spent a long time fixing little stuff lke non-breaking spaces before even 'reading' it as prose
May 07 09:12:48 <Pesky>	'however' is often not needed at all
May 07 09:13:14 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  here's another good link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony1/Redundancy_exercises:_removing_fluff_from_your_writing
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May 07 09:13:33 <Pesky>	Run in through that one, too - see how much you can clean it
May 07 09:13:38 <MuZemike>	I've used tp mpt ise
May 07 09:13:45 <Pesky>	?
May 07 09:13:51 <MuZemike>	I've used to not use "however" at all
May 07 09:13:59 <MuZemike>	(sorry, keyboard)
May 07 09:14:01 <Pesky>	I try not to use it
May 07 09:14:13 <Pesky>	Not cat-on-keyboard, then?
May 07 09:14:26 <MuZemike>	No, hands on the wrong keys
May 07 09:14:36 <Pesky>	Ah, that one …. that I know well!
May 07 09:14:45 <Pesky>	It's the paws, you know
May 07 09:14:49 <Hedgehog456>	I use one finger when typing
May 07 09:15:07 <MuZemike>	However, I've been more lenient lately on the usage of '
May 07 09:15:08 <Pesky>	I get impatient and type too fast
May 07 09:15:15 <MuZemike>	"however" (see?)
May 07 09:15:37 <Pesky>	no, but brain like a wossname this morning
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May 07 09:16:22 <Sp33dyphil>	There's a limit to how much i can review, I'm still a secondary school student
May 07 09:16:28 <Pesky>	MuZemike:  do you want to give Sp33dyphil  a day to clean the aritcle, and then review it? :o)
May 07 09:17:00 <Pesky>	You need to be sure that you're happy enough with the article that you'd pass it yourself if you were the reviewer from Hell, before you ask someone else to go do it
May 07 09:17:16 <Pesky>	Because a really good reviewer will do little fixes themselves
May 07 09:17:23 <Pesky>	So kindest not to leave them too many
May 07 09:19:05 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  give up on any other activity until your article is as clean as you can possibly get it
May 07 09:19:16 <MuZemike>	WP:OWN
May 07 09:19:19 <Sp33dyphil>	OK
May 07 09:19:29 <Pesky>	So, not TV, no going out, no social life ….
May 07 09:19:55 <Pesky>	MuZemike:  yes, I know - but if you want an article reviewed, it's only wossname to give the reviewer as little to do as possible
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May 07 09:20:08 <sonia>	Pesky: social lives are a good thing!
May 07 09:20:16 <Pesky>	I can hardly remember ...
May 07 09:20:16 <MuZemike>	I know that, dummkopf :-p
May 07 09:20:26 <Pesky>	:o)
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May 07 09:20:35 <Tyw7|K800i>	What's up
May 07 09:20:41 <Pesky>	The sun
May 07 09:20:46 <Tyw7|K800i>	Lol
May 07 09:21:00 <Pesky>	Also quite a lot of cloud
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May 07 09:21:10 <Tyw7|K800i>	Or space
May 07 09:21:13 <Sven_Manguard>	any admins at their screens?
May 07 09:21:22 <Pesky>	[deathly hush]
May 07 09:21:34 <Tyw7|K800i>	Try using the admin stalkword
May 07 09:21:41 <Sven_Manguard>	that pisses them off
May 07 09:21:52 <Tyw7|K800i>	And aren't you an admin steven?
May 07 09:21:56 <Sven_Manguard>	it's much better if someone Dcoetzee Brian_S responds
May 07 09:22:03 <Sven_Manguard>	who?
May 07 09:22:07 <Pesky>	Dcoetzee:  was definitely awake not long ago
May 07 09:22:09 <Tyw7|K800i>	You
May 07 09:22:23 <Tyw7|K800i>	Sven I mean
May 07 09:22:25 <Sven_Manguard>	you're the second person to do that :D
May 07 09:22:26 <Sven_Manguard>	yeah
May 07 09:22:36 <Brian_S>	hi
May 07 09:22:36 <Pesky>	Sven is a really nice name :o)
May 07 09:22:50 <Tyw7|K800i>	Is it short for seven?
May 07 09:22:53 <Sven_Manguard>	Brian_S: can you revdel all the non current versions of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NegroBlackLatinoLatinAmericanoAmerican.jpg please
May 07 09:23:18 <Sven_Manguard>	the 3rd row 2nd column portrait was copyrighted, so I had to swap it out
May 07 09:23:30 <Sven_Manguard>	Tyw7|K800i: no, it's not seven
May 07 09:23:50 <Tyw7|K800i>	How to pronounce it?
May 07 09:24:27 <Sven_Manguard>	Sven?
May 07 09:24:50 <Sven_Manguard>	eer roll the s in and say "ven" as in "Venn Diagram"
May 07 09:24:56 <Tyw7|K800i>	Is it pronounced like seven? Or seven without the e
May 07 09:25:37 <Tyw7|K800i>	Osama's dead. Happy sad, don't care
May 07 09:25:40 <Sven_Manguard>	without the first e
May 07 09:25:54 <Sven_Manguard>	say Venn as in "Venn Diagram"
May 07 09:25:56 <foks>	It's pronounced as you read it.
May 07 09:26:05 <Sven_Manguard>	foks is correct
May 07 09:26:24 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: taken care of
May 07 09:26:34 <Sven_Manguard>	thanks zscout370
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May 07 09:28:34 <Tyw7|K800i>	In the days following osama's death the corresponding articles were slow to load. Does this happen to selected articles due to high traffic?
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May 07 09:29:54 <zscout370>	yeah
May 07 09:30:06 <zscout370>	same with Michael Jackson's death
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May 07 09:31:13 <Tyw7|K800i>	I thought it would be entire Wiki that would be affected
May 07 09:31:19 <Tyw7|K800i>	Not just one article
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May 07 09:31:32 <zscout370>	but there are also a lot of people trying to change it
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May 07 09:32:09 <Tyw7|K800i>	It seems every refresh of the page brought something new
May 07 09:32:30 <zscout370>	one refresh I did apparently had the Ubuntu article nested in it
May 07 09:32:32 <Tyw7|K800i>	Can't we have a system that auto refreshes the screen?
May 07 09:32:54 <Tyw7|K800i>	Or at least the info
May 07 09:32:55 <Sven_Manguard>	Gods I wish that people were more competent. That or I wish I could get away with telling other users that they are fucktards.
May 07 09:32:57 <Pesky>	Sp33dyphil:  if you go to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vidkun_Quisling
May 07 09:33:20 <Pesky>	… and then check all the diffs for the period that article was being reviewed, along with the talk on the talk page ...
May 07 09:33:21 <Sven_Manguard>	Anyone here happen to be a commons admin?
May 07 09:33:27 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: me too
May 07 09:33:32 <Tyw7|K800i>	Blurpeace
May 07 09:33:34 <Sven_Manguard>	zscout370: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pel%C3%A9_1960.jpg
May 07 09:33:42 <Sp33dyphil>	Oh, I've heard of that
May 07 09:33:55 <Pesky>	… you'll see the sort of things that were done during the review.  Ideally, you want to do all that stuff NOW, before someone else reviews it
May 07 09:33:59 <Sven_Manguard>	someone decided that they were going to nominate it for deletion without checking the license template.
May 07 09:34:12 <Tyw7|K800i>	I see auto refresh system in youtube and BBC
May 07 09:34:34 <Tyw7|K800i>	Can't Wikipedia have a similiar system to pull in new information
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May 07 09:34:47 <Sven_Manguard>	therefore, they are a fucktard. Also, the image is used on a half dozen local projects, and I only stumbled upon the deletion discussion by accident.
May 07 09:35:23 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: they were acting based on the request from a talk page (but the question that was asked is if it only applies to Swedish press photos or any press photo taken in Swedish territory)
May 07 09:35:30 <Tyw7|K800i>	Sven tag with speedy
May 07 09:35:38 <Sven_Manguard>	hmm?
May 07 09:35:45 <Tyw7|K800i>	Speedy delete
May 07 09:35:52 <sonia>	Tyw7|K800i: no
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May 07 09:36:05 <Tyw7|K800i>	If copyvios, duplicate, etc
May 07 09:36:59 <Tyw7|K800i>	Well gtg
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May 07 09:37:49 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: and the person who nominated the image for deletion is usually very careful about his noms
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May 07 09:38:11 <Sven_Manguard>	eh
May 07 09:38:17 <Sven_Manguard>	okay then
May 07 09:39:10 <zscout370>	but if you think that is an image problem, me and another guy are trying to sort out nearly 15000 images on the Malay Wikipedia
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May 07 09:42:32 <Sp33dyphil>	dinner
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May 07 09:42:57 <sonia>	zscout370: what's the problem with the malay wp?
May 07 09:43:07 <zscout370>	sonia: fair use violations galore
May 07 09:43:16 <zscout370>	and other licensing issues
May 07 09:43:33 <sonia>	oh fun
May 07 09:44:13 <zscout370>	I think out of the 15000 images, we already ID'ed about 1100 that have been sent to the Commons or got duplicates there
May 07 09:44:42 <Sven_Manguard>	I'd help, but I don't speak Malay
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May 07 09:44:52 <Sven_Manguard>	I'm good with spotting the copyvios though.
May 07 09:44:52 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: you don't have to
May 07 09:44:57 *	sonia speaks... a very small amount of malay
May 07 09:45:02 <Sven_Manguard>	really?
May 07 09:45:20 <zscout370>	Sven_Manguard: you can change the layout to English in your preferences and you can use interwiki links as your guide
May 07 09:45:30 <Sven_Manguard>	hmm?
May 07 09:45:35 <Sven_Manguard>	link me
May 07 09:45:48 <zscout370>	http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khas:Keutamaan
May 07 09:45:50 <zscout370>	preferences
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May 07 09:46:44 <Sven_Manguard>	okay, I'm at prefs, what do I do next?
May 07 09:47:01 <zscout370>	scroll down to the second section
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May 07 09:47:19 <zscout370>	there is a drop down that should say Basha Malay. Click the arrow and scroll up to English.
May 07 09:47:24 <Sven_Manguard>	Pengantarabangsaan
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May 07 09:47:32 <Sven_Manguard>	?
May 07 09:47:54 <zscout370>	yes
May 07 09:48:08 <Sven_Manguard>	okay, done
May 07 09:48:10 <Sven_Manguard>	what next?
May 07 09:48:30 <zscout370>	once you selected English from the drop down, scroll to the very bottom and press the button
May 07 09:48:39 <sonia>	heh
May 07 09:48:40 <Sven_Manguard>	did that
May 07 09:48:49 *	sonia does this all the time on various wikis to fix her SUL
May 07 09:48:56 <sonia>	the annoying thing is the RTL wikis
May 07 09:49:05 <Sven_Manguard>	sonia no laughing! kiwi can't laugh, they're birds....
May 07 09:49:15 *	sonia pecks Sven_Manguard
May 07 09:49:19 <Sven_Manguard>	ow
May 07 09:49:29 <sonia>	actually, that'd probably hurt the kiwi more than it hurt you
May 07 09:49:34 <Sven_Manguard>	yeah
May 07 09:49:37 <sonia>	they have very sensitive noses, as such, more than beaks
May 07 09:49:40 <Sven_Manguard>	kiwi are tiny
May 07 09:49:41 <sonia>	but epic claws
May 07 09:49:47 <Sven_Manguard>	err
May 07 09:50:14 <zscout370>	http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Imej_kegunaan_wajar this is the fair use images
May 07 09:50:18 <sonia>	very violent little ones, esp. the females
May 07 09:54:00 <Ironholds>	sonia: I'd make a joke about you being well-suited to the label but I'm scared you might kill me ;p
May 07 09:54:20 <sonia>	heh
May 07 09:54:26 <Sven_Manguard>	I love how the word for file in Malay is "fail"
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May 07 09:54:41 <sonia>	it's pronounced "file"
May 07 09:54:53 <Sven_Manguard>	it's spelled fail
May 07 09:54:57 <Sven_Manguard>	which is funny
May 07 09:54:57 <sonia>	yes :p
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May 07 10:14:03 <Sven_Manguard>	by people
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May 07 10:33:13 <Ironholds>	writing articles on antiguan politicians is fun
May 07 10:34:10 <OlEnglish>	really
May 07 10:35:05 <OlEnglish>	if that's your idea of fun..
May 07 10:35:18 <OlEnglish>	i'd be curious to know when you're bored
May 07 10:35:28 <OlEnglish>	;p
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May 07 10:37:52 <tommorris>	OlEnglish: don't tempt Ironholds with boredom
May 07 10:38:00 <OlEnglish>	hehe
May 07 10:38:02 <tommorris>	if you don't want there to be mass murder and slaughter
May 07 10:38:17 <OlEnglish>	uh oh
May 07 10:38:37 <tommorris>	shit, [[WP:BEANS]] violation on my part
May 07 10:38:39 <Pesky>	Ironholds:  if you're bored Sp33dyphil has been looking for a reviewer for a GAN ...
May 07 10:38:51 <tommorris>	which GAN?
May 07 10:39:03 <Pesky>	Neil Armstrong
May 07 10:39:33 <tommorris>	one of these days, I'll get to do a GA review for a philosophy article
May 07 10:39:33 <Pesky>	I;ve just been into the article and put a lod of nbsp's in, as required, and left a few tips on his talk page for thing he should / could do himself
May 07 10:40:01 <Pesky>	On the surface, it looks unproblematical, but I feel too novicey to do it myself, really
May 07 10:40:30 <Pesky>	Litttle stuff needed like putting refs into alphabetical order
May 07 10:40:41 <Pesky>	One dead link that I spotted, stuff like that
May 07 10:41:16 <Pesky>	Seems to be well rounded and so on
May 07 10:41:24 <tommorris>	[[WP:AFC]] backlog is 108 articles.
May 07 10:41:33 <Pesky>	eeeek
May 07 10:41:36 <Pesky>	errrk
May 07 10:41:48 <Ironholds>	Pesky: link?
May 07 10:41:50 <Pesky>	I feel kinda uninspired to help with that
May 07 10:42:00 <tommorris>	ditto
May 07 10:42:03 <Pesky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong
May 07 10:42:08 <Ironholds>	I'm not bored!
May 07 10:42:15 <Pesky>	lol
May 07 10:42:15 <Ironholds>	I'm writing about Robin Yearwood
May 07 10:42:17 <Ironholds>	the antiguan agricultural minister
May 07 10:42:21 <Pesky>	Never heard of 'im
May 07 10:42:22 <Ironholds>	it's going to be a perfectly-referenced GA
May 07 10:42:59 <Pesky>	atm I feel kinda uninspired in general - I;ve caught 'meh'
May 07 10:43:01 <Ironholds>	just like [[George Odlum]] or [[Vere Bird, Jr.]]
May 07 10:43:08 <Ironholds>	I'm going to write an FA on Vere Bird, I think
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May 07 10:43:31 <Pesky>	I'm having real trouble findins sources for one I;m playing with in my sandbdox
May 07 10:43:35 <Steven_Zhang>	hai
May 07 10:43:44 <Pesky>	ohai
May 07 10:44:02 <Steven_Zhang>	hehe
May 07 10:44:09 <Steven_Zhang>	its been so long since ive been on irc
May 07 10:44:11 <Pesky>	So I think I will go dig a hole in the garden instead
May 07 10:44:55 <Pesky>	If anyone can thng of sources (or find any) for newsy type publications in the mid 1900's, drop some stuff onto my talk page :o)
May 07 10:45:23 <tommorris>	Christ, the No2AVers are making me facepalm
May 07 10:45:43 <Pesky>	That's the Great British Public for you …… vote with the propaganda ….
May 07 10:45:53 <Pesky>	Whoever has the most advertising wins
May 07 10:45:59 <tommorris>	they are saying that the LibDems doomed it by arguing for AV rather than PR
May 07 10:46:02 <Ironholds>	Pesky: lexnex?
May 07 10:46:09 <Pesky>	wossat?
May 07 10:46:11 <tommorris>	and if they had gone for PR, they wouldn't have lost. SRSLY>
May 07 10:46:12 <Ironholds>	lexis nexis?
May 07 10:46:16 <Pesky>	?
May 07 10:46:21 <Ironholds>	it's a repository of every newspaper article printed since 1970-ish
May 07 10:46:21 <Pesky>	brain-dead today.
May 07 10:46:22 *	tommorris wants LexisNexis access
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May 07 10:46:27 <Ironholds>	excluding, like, the East Finchley Star
May 07 10:46:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris: I had it until this morning
May 07 10:46:39 *	tommorris would probably murder a small child to get LexisNexis access
May 07 10:46:48 <Pesky>	1970's is too late - I think the particular publication I'm looking at went down before the 1960's
May 07 10:46:48 <Ironholds>	apparently the PhD student blissfully ignorant that I've stolen his password has had his account expire
May 07 10:46:50 <Ironholds>	which sucks
May 07 10:46:52 <Ironholds>	for me
May 07 10:47:08 <Ironholds>	tommorris: see if you'd asked YESTERDAY.. ;p
May 07 10:47:16 <Steven_Zhang>	wtf
May 07 10:47:16 <tommorris>	perhaps the Foundation could convince LexisNexis that they want to give us accounts like Credo did
May 07 10:47:20 <Steven_Zhang>	when did Rlevse retire?
May 07 10:47:33 <Pesky>	I don't need a heap of sources - just enough that I can write 1500 characters of not-entirely-waffle about it, coz I have a nice DYK hook, if I can get the article long enough, lol!
May 07 10:47:34 <Ironholds>	tommorris: yeah, good luck with that
May 07 10:47:44 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: shortly after he was found to have plagiarised mainpage content, I believe
May 07 10:47:49 <Pesky>	oops
May 07 10:47:53 <Ironholds>	Pesky: what's the subject?
May 07 10:47:58 <Steven_Zhang>	he did what?
May 07 10:48:02 <tommorris>	also, why is 3G getting more expensive rather than less?
May 07 10:48:17 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: sorry, you need that broken down into smaller words?
May 07 10:48:22 <Pesky>	The Truth (political / financial exposé magazine founded by Henry Labouchere)
May 07 10:48:29 <Steven_Zhang>	Hah, lol.
May 07 10:48:31 <Ironholds>	he took words someone else had written and claimed he had written them and put the written words on the main page
May 07 10:48:36 <Ironholds>	which is very very BAAAD
May 07 10:48:40 <Pesky>	… and after I've done that I;d like to do one on The Statist as well
May 07 10:48:41 <Ironholds>	here, I'll get my glove-puppets
May 07 10:48:45 <Steven_Zhang>	He jsust didnt seem to be that sorta guy
May 07 10:48:48 <Ironholds>	they'll help explain
May 07 10:49:07 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: a completely anonymous person on the internet didn't turn out to be what you thought they were? GASP
May 07 10:49:22 <Steven_Zhang>	9_9
May 07 10:49:23 <Ironholds>	next you'll be telling me that water is wet
May 07 10:49:28 <Steven_Zhang>	-_-
May 07 10:49:31 <Pesky>	No, really?
May 07 10:49:35 <Steven_Zhang>	I've been away for ages...
May 07 10:49:41 <Ironholds>	Pesky: srsly!
May 07 10:49:47 <Pesky>	I had no idea
May 07 10:49:49 <Steven_Zhang>	Just had a daugher actually, lol
May 07 10:49:57 <Pesky>	Congrats!
May 07 10:49:57 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: with your, what is it, second wife?
May 07 10:50:14 <Steven_Zhang>	:|
May 07 10:50:15 <Ironholds>	mazel tov
May 07 10:50:20 <Pesky>	People in RL can turn out to be not what you thought, too ...
May 07 10:50:26 <Pesky>	[says she ironically]
May 07 10:50:31 <Ironholds>	(sorry, if that came out as sarky, I apologise - I just couldn't remember)
May 07 10:51:03 <Steven_Zhang>	Ah.
May 07 10:51:06 *	Pesky reflects on the sad fact that it took me four years to suss out that my second was actually a psychopath ……
May 07 10:51:11 <Steven_Zhang>	In that case, yes. That's right
May 07 10:51:13 <Ironholds>	second wife? ;p
May 07 10:51:17 <foks>	Wait, Rlevse retires?
May 07 10:51:18 <Pesky>	husband
May 07 10:51:20 <foks>	* d?
May 07 10:51:20 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: congrats!
May 07 10:51:28 <Ironholds>	Pesky: and now you're changing the story. LIAR!
May 07 10:51:30 <foks>	Also hi Stevie
May 07 10:51:32 <foks>	:3
May 07 10:51:37 <Pesky>	Where did it change?
May 07 10:51:37 <Ironholds>	Pesky: if it makes you feel any better, my second husband was a psychopath too
May 07 10:51:41 <Steven_Zhang>	hey its cream!
May 07 10:51:44 <Pesky>	how sad for you
May 07 10:51:48 <Ironholds>	we used to go out murdering together; got on like a house on fire
May 07 10:51:55 <Pesky>	No, that's arson
May 07 10:51:56 <Steven_Zhang>	i'll always know you as cream, foks
May 07 10:51:57 <Steven_Zhang>	:P
May 07 10:52:06 <foks>	Why? I'm not Cream
May 07 10:52:07 <foks>	:D
May 07 10:52:15 *	foks is Garden
May 07 10:52:16 <Steven_Zhang>	Yes you are :P
May 07 10:52:17 <Steven_Zhang>	OH
May 07 10:52:18 <Ironholds>	Pesky: if I kill someone in the house fire, that's both
May 07 10:52:19 <Steven_Zhang>	lol
May 07 10:52:26 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: you're an idiot.
May 07 10:52:32 <Steven_Zhang>	ya rly
May 07 10:52:39 <Steven_Zhang>	*headdesk*
May 07 10:52:46 <Steven_Zhang>	*facepalm*
May 07 10:52:53 <Pesky>	Intersting: did you know that if you intend to murder someone else and accidentally kill yourself, it's still murder, not suicide?
May 07 10:53:01 <Steven_Zhang>	How?
May 07 10:53:03 <Pesky>	(you probably did)
May 07 10:53:07 <Ironholds>	Pesky:I did, yes
May 07 10:53:15 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: you had the intent to kill someone and you did kill someone
May 07 10:53:18 <Ironholds>	mens rea, actus reus
May 07 10:53:39 <Ironholds>	doesn't matter if you go "I'm sorry I killed the pope, I was trying to hit the man behind him". They don't go "oh, fair enough, just an accident"
May 07 10:53:49 <Pesky>	It's the only way of killing yourself (without hurting others) that's still unlawful in the UK, I think
May 07 10:53:52 <Steven_Zhang>	Lol.
May 07 10:54:08 <Ironholds>	Pesky: actually, no
May 07 10:54:12 <Steven_Zhang>	Yeah, but if you kill yourself you're murdering yourself, not committing suicide?
May 07 10:54:14 <Ironholds>	assisting suicide is still illegal, right?
May 07 10:54:14 <Steven_Zhang>	Heh.
May 07 10:54:14 <Pesky>	?
May 07 10:54:18 <Steven_Zhang>	Oh btw
May 07 10:54:24 <Pesky>	Assisting an /other/ is, yes
May 07 10:54:26 <Steven_Zhang>	its awesome that osama bin laden is dead
May 07 10:54:28 <Steven_Zhang>	yey
May 07 10:54:30 <Steven_Zhang>	:P
May 07 10:54:37 <Ironholds>	Pesky: then if you kill yourself with someone else's help, you are guilty of conspiracy to assist in suicide
May 07 10:54:39 <Steven_Zhang>	I found out on facebook
May 07 10:54:41 <Ironholds>	HAH
May 07 10:54:49 <Steven_Zhang>	someone posted
May 07 10:54:52 <Pesky>	Is it still techcically treason to fail to go to archery practice on a Sunday?
May 07 10:54:59 <Steven_Zhang>	"Osama shouldn't have checked in on facebook"
May 07 10:55:02 <Ironholds>	Pesky: probably not
May 07 10:55:10 <Pesky>	When did that get repealed?
May 07 10:55:13 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: keep talking, I cut out your eyes and sodomise you with them
May 07 10:55:19 <Pesky>	eeewwww
May 07 10:55:19 <Steven_Zhang>	:/
May 07 10:55:34 <Ironholds>	we've JUST got over the stupid beer-guzzling, flag-waving d-bags filling -en with "WOOO BIN LADEN IS DEAD! USA! USA! USA!"
May 07 10:55:36 <Pesky>	It IS still illegal, apparently, to wash your car at the kerbside
May 07 10:55:40 <Steven_Zhang>	what else has changed in the billion years ive been gone
May 07 10:55:56 <Ironholds>	err
May 07 10:56:03 <Steven_Zhang>	being august 2010
May 07 10:56:03 <Ironholds>	I was made King of the Wiki
May 07 10:56:04 <Steven_Zhang>	:P
May 07 10:56:09 <Ironholds>	and became an admin
May 07 10:56:10 <Pesky>	not that my poor vehuicle gets washed
May 07 10:56:11 <Steven_Zhang>	yeah right.
May 07 10:56:16 <Steven_Zhang>	Yeah i know youre an admin
May 07 10:56:18 <Ironholds>	and am being considered for a job at the WMF
May 07 10:56:25 <Ironholds>	(two of those 3 statements are true)
May 07 10:56:26 <Steven_Zhang>	o rly?
May 07 10:56:31 <Steven_Zhang>	The last 2
May 07 10:56:32 <Ironholds>	yup, I really am King of the Wiki
May 07 10:56:33 <Pesky>	Are you sure you would actually be really happy doing that?
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May 07 10:56:35 <Ironholds>	no, first and second
May 07 10:56:38 <Ironholds>	Pesky: doing what?
May 07 10:56:40 <Steven_Zhang>	pfft
May 07 10:56:46 <Pesky>	Officially working for WMF
May 07 10:56:50 <Ironholds>	actually, yeah
May 07 10:57:04 <Pesky>	If you really would, then go for it
May 07 10:57:21 <Steven_Zhang>	how can you be anti abortion and pro choice
May 07 10:57:21 <Brian_S>	Ironholds: No. :P
May 07 10:57:33 <Brian_S>	<Ironholds> yup, I really am King of the Wiki -> I am.
May 07 10:57:34 <Brian_S>	=P
May 07 10:57:41 <Ironholds>	Steven_Zhang: quite easily
May 07 10:57:50 <Pesky>	It's easy to hold opposing views
May 07 10:58:02 <Pesky>	Part of the joys of being human
May 07 10:58:08 <Ironholds>	I think abortions suck, but not as much as right-wing jackoffs forcing their views down others throats (or vaginas)
May 07 10:58:35 <Ironholds>	so I support the freedom to get abortions, but appreciate that abortions are traumatic and unpleasant and taboo and so we should probably also put the effort into, y'know, first stage contraception
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May 07 10:58:57 <Pesky>	Yes, but you have a /brain/ which helps you to formulate sensible views.
May 07 10:58:58 <Ironholds>	then again, I also support including a new grade in standardised tests, F, which stands for "forcibly sterilised"
May 07 10:59:14 <tommorris>	surely, that's the British "U" standard
May 07 10:59:26 <tommorris>	U: Unclassifiable
May 07 10:59:33 <Ironholds>	those who come up with particularly moronic answers to questions, such as the person who answered "the most important person in 100 years" with "princess di", shall be sterilised
May 07 10:59:40 <Pesky>	Nah, you have to have /somebody/ who can work in MacD's
May 07 10:59:46 <Ironholds>	I didn't say they couldn't
May 07 10:59:48 <tommorris>	you can work in McDonalds sterilised
May 07 10:59:56 <Ironholds>	they'd just not be allowed to pop out sprogs
May 07 11:00:02 <Pesky>	but you need a next generation of MacD's workers, too
May 07 11:00:08 <tommorris>	ROBOTS
May 07 11:00:10 <Ironholds>	we'll replace them with robots
May 07 11:00:25 <Ironholds>	this grade will be automatically given to anyone taking a test who is called Dwayne
May 07 11:00:36 <Pesky>	Thing is, the world actually needs people of less-than-optimal intelligence
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May 07 11:00:52 <Ironholds>	Pesky: to do the shitty jobs nobody wants to do?
May 07 11:00:59 <Pesky>	Yes, that stuff
May 07 11:01:03 <Ironholds>	I'm fine with that as long as we stop them voting
May 07 11:01:05 <tommorris>	no, Special:NewPages and WP:AFC and the No2AV campaign shows that the world doesn't need more stupid peopole
May 07 11:01:07 <Ironholds>	and replace them with robots ASAP
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May 07 11:01:42 <Pesky>	But if you replaced them all with robots, and there was suddenly a devastating thingie that left us all without all the trappings of modern civilisation, who would do the menial work?
May 07 11:02:02 <Pesky>	coz not everyone is actually capable of being pretty much-self-sufficient
May 07 11:02:37 <Pesky>	Y,know, you need people you can train to be flint-knappers
May 07 11:02:45 <Ironholds>	Pesky: we would build more robots
May 07 11:02:59 <Pesky>	But I'm talking about - what if there was no power ……
May 07 11:03:06 <Pesky>	…. ever again ...
May 07 11:03:21 <Pesky>	And I'm not at all sure you could train a robot to knap flint
May 07 11:03:30 <Pesky>	It needs eyes and intuiting and stuff
May 07 11:03:35 <Pesky>	intuition
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May 07 11:04:03 <Ironholds>	if there was no power we would have steampunk robots
May 07 11:04:08 <Pesky>	… and what about the interim period, even if we ended up being able to build robots again
May 07 11:04:11 <Ironholds>	which have the advantage of bein twice as cool as regular robots
May 07 11:04:26 <Pesky>	and who would organise and man the transport systems?
May 07 11:04:40 <Pesky>	Coz I'm not at all sure that horse-drawn barges would work with robots
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May 07 11:04:56 <Pesky>	they might fall into the water
May 07 11:05:05 <Pesky>	or get stuck in the mud
May 07 11:05:57 <Pesky>	… and a robot that's been given a hefty kick from a horse might not function very well, whereas humans have a surprising ability to keep going
May 07 11:06:23 <Pesky>	[cig brk]
May 07 11:06:27 <LauraHale>	Rant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Racepacket <-- Why can't he leave me and my editing areas alone?  The case is before ArbCom for harrassment.  Why does he need to edit there?
May 07 11:06:39 <Pesky>	Coz he's Racepacket
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May 07 11:10:17 <LauraHale>	There was a temporary injunction request.
May 07 11:10:30 <LauraHale>	That should be a sign to leave me alone. :(
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May 07 11:11:49 <Pesky>	Pretend it's not him; then look at the edits and see if they would  be OK if they'd been done by someone else
May 07 11:12:29 <Pesky>	Don't supply ammunition for anyone to accuse you of obsession
May 07 11:12:45 <Pesky>	It will weaken your case
May 07 11:12:58 <LauraHale>	I'm trying to.
May 07 11:13:10 <Pesky>	Keep at it :o)
May 07 11:13:14 *	LauraHale isn't looking at the edits
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May 07 11:13:39 <LauraHale>	I just will go back and deal with what I was trying to do elsewhere
May 07 11:13:49 <LauraHale>	Work on [[Netball in the Cook Islands]]
May 07 11:14:53 <Pesky>	and I will go and dig that hole in the garden.  If I can get the spade through the rock-hard soil.
May 07 11:15:27 *	LauraHale is going to go for a bike ride tomorrow morning
May 07 11:15:38 <LauraHale>	Or not.  It may be too cold.
May 07 11:15:44 *	LauraHale is tired of exercise and cold.
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May 07 11:30:59 <Qcoder00>	Admin requested
May 07 11:31:01 <Qcoder00>	Problem image
May 07 11:31:54 <Qcoder00>	Admin over 21 would be preferable
May 07 11:38:07 <tommorris>	ooh, is it naughty?
May 07 11:38:33 *	tommorris is in a library, so displaying naughty things is much recommended
May 07 11:38:52 *	LauraHale wants to see
May 07 11:38:54 <Qcoder00>	Not exactly...
May 07 11:38:58 <LauraHale>	I'm over 21.  Not an admin.
May 07 11:39:11 <LauraHale>	Does it involve insulting young people?
May 07 11:39:15 <Qcoder00>	No
May 07 11:39:18 <Qcoder00>	Mild Nudity
May 07 11:39:50 <Qcoder00>	But I'd like an admin or someone experienced to comment
May 07 11:40:58 <Qcoder00>	Any admins awake?
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May 07 11:58:42 <D>	hi, it is possible do delete my own account?
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May 07 11:59:17 <LauraHale>	You would lose the permissions as you delete. ;) Wouldn't that be a feedback loop?
May 07 11:59:39 <tommorris>	Guest68617: you can have your account renamed, and then mash the password
May 07 11:59:43 <Guest68617>	I want to delete my own account
May 07 11:59:46 <tommorris>	that is effectively the same as having your account deleted
May 07 11:59:46 <Guest68617>	can I do that?
May 07 11:59:49 <tommorris>	no
May 07 12:00:07 <tommorris>	you can basically have your account renamed to something like "Deleted Account 12345"
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May 07 12:00:12 <Guest68617>	can u help me to do that?
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May 07 12:00:21 <tommorris>	no, you need a bureaucrat to do that, iirc
May 07 12:00:59 <Guest68617>	what is a bureaucrat?
May 07 12:01:08 <tommorris>	a bureaucrat is like a super-administrator who can change your username
May 07 12:01:24 <tommorris>	Guest68617: the first step is to put {{db-user}} on all of your user pages except your user talk page
May 07 12:01:36 <Guest68617>	ok
May 07 12:01:44 <tommorris>	an admin will come and delete those pages
May 07 12:02:34 <tommorris>	Guest68617: once that is done, put a post up on the Bureaucrats Noticeboard, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BN
May 07 12:02:47 <tommorris>	make sure you specify that you want to exercise your "right to vanish"
May 07 12:03:25 <tommorris>	after doing this, you will specifically be saying you are done with Wikipedia for good
May 07 12:03:32 <tommorris>	are you sure this is what you want to do?
May 07 12:03:55 <tommorris>	are you sure you wouldn't rather just change your username or blank your pages and retire?
May 07 12:04:31 <Guest68617>	yes I am sure
May 07 12:04:55 <tommorris>	the details are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Right_to_vanish#How_to_exercise_the_right_to_vanish
May 07 12:05:08 <tommorris>	alternatively see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Retiring
May 07 12:05:12 <Guest68617>	thanks
May 07 12:06:19 <Ironholds>	tommorris: actually the tech nerds are currently working on a more useable account-removal tool
May 07 12:06:31 <Ironholds>	not "delete", because that's silly
May 07 12:06:42 <Ironholds>	but both a scramble-their-password-remotely and a permanently-disable-account thing
May 07 12:06:59 <tommorris>	that seems sensible
May 07 12:07:22 <Doh5678>	On a related subject, if an admin or beuraucrat wanted to change his username, would he or she keep his or her powers?
May 07 12:07:30 <tommorris>	does it have an unscramble-their-password-and-undisable-their-account mode for when they inevitably come back? ;-)
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May 07 12:07:45 <Ironholds>	nope
May 07 12:07:46 <DD>	if my user page is not created
May 07 12:07:48 <Ironholds>	which is awesome
May 07 12:07:57 <DD>	do I need ti put that template?
May 07 12:08:01 <Ironholds>	Doh5678: well, an admin can't change usernames, so... :p
May 07 12:08:04 <tommorris>	DD: if you don't have any user page, no, you don't have to put the template their
May 07 12:08:32 <tommorris>	presumably, an admin could drop the admin bit, change username, then re-run for RfA
May 07 12:08:57 <Qcoder00>	Ah ironholds
May 07 12:09:02 <DD>	tommorris can u tell me again the next step?
May 07 12:09:05 <Qcoder00>	Can I toruble you for a moment?
May 07 12:09:10 <Qcoder00>	*trouble
May 07 12:09:23 <Ironholds>	sigh
May 07 12:09:23 <Ironholds>	sure
May 07 12:09:37 <tommorris>	DD: yep, you put a request on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BN
May 07 12:09:44 <tommorris>	asking to exercise your right to vanish
May 07 12:09:56 <DD>	ok
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May 07 12:10:14 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: see /query
May 07 12:12:03 <OlEnglish>	dr. who right?
May 07 12:12:09 <DD>	tommorris I can see this noticeboard is about deleting userpages
May 07 12:12:45 <tommorris>	no, BN is the place for deleting user accounts
May 07 12:13:01 <tommorris>	deleting user pages is done through the CSD process
May 07 12:14:23 <tommorris>	argh. I'm reading a philosophy book and one of the theories is referred to as "AFC". AFC is haunting me everywhere I go. ;-)
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May 07 12:17:24 <DD>	tommorris and which is the correct template?
May 07 12:18:11 <tommorris>	DD: you don't have to use a template
May 07 12:18:36 <DD>	but what should I do?
May 07 12:18:38 <AzaToth>	how can [[Death of Osama bin Laden]] be a "current event"?
May 07 12:18:40 <tommorris>	DD: at the top, click "Click here to add a new section"
May 07 12:19:00 <DD>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BN here?
May 07 12:19:03 <tommorris>	DD: then in the subject/headline fill in something like "Delete my account"
May 07 12:19:06 <tommorris>	yep
May 07 12:19:13 <DD>	thanks
May 07 12:19:32 <tommorris>	then in the main body, explain that you'd like your account deleted and that you want to exercise your right to vanish
May 07 12:19:38 <tommorris>	then sign it with ~~~~~ then save
May 07 12:20:35 <AzaToth>	DD: do you have any edits?
May 07 12:21:29 <tommorris>	when you approve something on AfC, does it still go into the NewPages queue?
May 07 12:21:29 <Tothwolf>	accounts are almost never deleted... only renamed under WP:RTV...
May 07 12:22:17 <DD>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Account_deletion
May 07 12:22:20 <DD>	is this good?
May 07 12:22:26 <DD>	or I have to add something?
May 07 12:24:00 <tommorris>	DD: that looks fine
May 07 12:24:10 <tommorris>	can't promise that the 'crats will do it, but that's the most you can do
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May 07 12:24:59 <tommorris>	christ, TiddlyWiki is slow
May 07 12:25:24 <tommorris>	browser crashingly slow and shit
May 07 12:25:34 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: well, accounts *can't* be deleted
May 07 12:25:41 <Ironholds>	the experimental extension to allow it got turned off
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May 07 12:26:49 <Qcoder00>	Delta: ping?
May 07 12:28:09 <Tothwolf>	Ironholds: a developer can still delete an account, but it is very very rarely done
May 07 12:28:31 <Ironholds>	Tothwolf: well, yeah, a drop command
May 07 12:28:36 <Ironholds>	but that's issuetastic
May 07 12:29:42 <Tothwolf>	anyone have any suggestions for dealing with an ED/4chan troll i had to ban from some other sites? he has shown up on en.wp to give me grief now (although apparently has had an account on en.wp for /ages/)
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May 07 12:30:20 <Tothwolf>	Ironholds: yeah, just rarely done unless there is a technical reason to do so
May 07 12:30:53 <Hedgehog456>	Developers have almost divine powers
May 07 12:31:12 <tommorris>	Tothwolf: 4im, wait for vandalism, AIV?
May 07 12:31:41 <Tothwolf>	tommorris: not vandalism, just trolling and griefing
May 07 12:32:00 <Tothwolf>	removing stuff from an article i'm working on, claiming per talk page etc
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May 07 12:32:49 <Qcoder00>	Tothwolf:  Find an admin, provide evidence and get the ****er  booted
May 07 12:32:50 <Tothwolf>	basically trying to start a dispute
May 07 12:32:54 <tommorris>	wow, TiddlyWiki doesn't even have history
May 07 12:33:25 <Tothwolf>	Qcoder00: heh admins are around every corner, but subtile trolling/griefing is hard to deal with
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May 07 12:38:53 <Qcoder00>	Speaking of admins-  Someone needs to help - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doingitwright407
May 07 12:39:02 <Qcoder00>	They seem to be getting  a LOT of messages
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May 07 12:49:48 <Pesky>	Oh, dear … d'you s'pose they've actuallr read /any/ of them?
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May 07 12:54:31 <Doh5678>	Can people give a verdict on this page --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_%22Soupy%22_Campbell
May 07 12:55:02 <tommorris>	list of chapters can be easily cut
May 07 12:55:18 <Doh5678>	Keep, redrect or delete I mean
May 07 12:55:20 <Bejinhan>	anyone having trouble accessing http://outreach.wikimedia.org/ ?
May 07 12:55:31 <Bejinhan>	oh nvm
May 07 12:55:50 <tommorris>	Doh5678: I'd say redirect to the band
May 07 12:56:20 <Pesky>	I would go with a redirect, too
May 07 12:56:43 <Pesky>	or merge kinda thingie
May 07 12:57:00 <Pesky>	but in any event the chapters should be displayed dirrerently
May 07 12:57:07 <Pesky>	differently
May 07 12:57:32 <tommorris>	chapters have been removed
May 07 12:57:33 <tommorris>	;-)
May 07 12:57:42 <Pesky>	You amputated them!
May 07 12:57:45 <tommorris>	with a suitably snarky edit summary
May 07 12:57:58 *	tommorris always wants to call edit summaries "commit messages"
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May 07 12:58:26 <Pesky>	Trouble with snarky edit summaries is they're like herpes - there forever …..
May 07 12:58:42 <tommorris>	Ironholds: Martin's posted the call for assistance for the MRC event
May 07 12:59:01 <Pesky>	Why, is it having trouble?
May 07 12:59:02 <tommorris>	having my snark live forever sounds like a good deal to me
May 07 12:59:35 <Pesky>	The only snark I like to have living forever is the really, truly memorable snark.  Snark par excellence, kinda snark
May 07 13:00:09 <Pesky>	My favourite ever one ...
May 07 13:00:42 <Pesky>	Seldom in my entire life have I had the misfortune to be the victim of such an astounding display of pathetic incompetence  ...
May 07 13:00:51 <Pesky>	Just rolls off the tongue so nicely :o)
May 07 13:01:53 <tommorris>	snark par excellence? hell no
May 07 13:02:19 <tommorris>	bitter, cynical, moaning, grumpy, tear their fucking tits off and feed it to their cat snark is my favourite
May 07 13:02:23 <Pesky>	It has rhythm, it has style
May 07 13:02:53 <Pesky>	I like lyricall rhetorical almost-poetic snark
May 07 13:03:23 <tommorris>	Christopher Hitchens' description of Jerry Falwell is my favourite: "If you gave him an enema you could bury him in a matchbox."
May 07 13:03:37 <Pesky>	Yes, that's cool
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May 07 13:12:58 <Ironholds>	feed THEM to their cat
May 07 13:13:07 <Ironholds>	you went plural singular
May 07 13:13:48 <Pesky>	Minced tit?  Chopped tit?  That way it could still technically be 'it'
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May 07 13:14:47 <tommorris>	no, you tear both their tits off, feed one to the cat and then do unspeakable things with t'other
May 07 13:14:51 <tommorris>	duh
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May 07 13:17:42 <Hedgehog456>	....
May 07 13:18:03 <Ironholds>	one trot faction sitting in a hall/one trot faction sitting in a hall/and if one trot faction should have a mighty squal/there'll be two trot factions sitting in the hall.
May 07 13:18:14 <Ironholds>	TWO trot factions sitting in a hall - and so on
May 07 13:18:34 <tommorris>	no, it's very simple:
May 07 13:18:55 <Pesky>	One smart fellow, he felt smart; two smart fellows, they felt smart; three … etc.  Try it.
May 07 13:19:10 <tommorris>	for any number of socialists x, there are between x + 1 and x^2 factions.
May 07 13:19:33 <Ironholds>	tommorris: have you heard "the people's flag is palest pink"?
May 07 13:19:52 <tommorris>	actually, x log x
May 07 13:19:59 <Ironholds>	the people's flag is palest pink/it's not as red as you might think/white collar workers stand and cheer/your labour government is here
May 07 13:20:22 <Ironholds>	we'll change the country bit by bit/so no one will notice it/and just to show we're still sincere/we'll sing The Red Flag once a year
May 07 13:21:22 *	tommorris is knocking holes in externalists today
May 07 13:21:25 <tommorris>	sorry, internalists
May 07 13:22:04 <tommorris>	the gigantic counterargument to internalism: "people still know things when they are asleep"
May 07 13:23:31 <tommorris>	christamundo, for a Wikipedian, Fae sure likes keeping things in Google Docs
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May 07 13:26:59 <Ironholds>	tommorris: he's management scum
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May 07 13:31:10 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en is: Status: Up | Channel guidelines at http://bit.ly/OiAr | For a channel operator ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by request | For *emergency* admin help say !admin followed by your request | No public logging | 2010 POTY contest at http://j.mp/2010POTY
May 07 13:31:10 *	Topic for #wikipedia-en set by Thehelpfulone at Fri Apr 29 22:38:39 2011
May 07 13:31:11 *	#wikipedia-en :http://en.wikipedia.org/
May 07 13:34:11 <Delta>	any admins around that want to pad their deletion counts?
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May 07 13:39:51 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: You mean the biological concept of externalism?
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May 07 13:41:35 <tommorris>	Hedgehog456: no, I mean the philosophical concept in epistemology
May 07 13:41:45 <Hedgehog456>	Ohhhh
May 07 13:41:48 <Hedgehog456>	:D
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May 07 13:52:36 <KimiNewt>	goddamn goddamn
May 07 13:53:18 <Hedgehog456>	Stop damning God or he'll smite you
May 07 13:53:22 <Hedgehog456>	*He'll
May 07 13:53:38 <Hedgehog456>	:O
May 07 13:53:43 <Hedgehog456>	Google [Bot]
May 07 13:54:03 <Bejinhan>	xD
May 07 13:54:59 <Hedgehog456>	IT'S HERE
May 07 13:55:21 *	Hedgehog456 huggles Google [Bot] tightly, and invites it to other areas of his website
May 07 13:56:17 <Bejinhan>	Google Bot?
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May 07 13:57:23 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: what does it do?
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May 07 13:57:30 <Hedgehog456>	It indexes websites
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May 07 13:58:34 <Bejinhan>	ohh
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May 07 13:59:58 <tommorris>	you all saw the Googlebot RfA right?
May 07 14:00:17 <Hedgehog456>	When Googlebot enters your website, you've won
May 07 14:00:51 <Bejinhan>	tommorris: no. what about it?
May 07 14:01:11 <IceCas>	dont even kno what an RfA is...
May 07 14:02:02 <tommorris>	It was funny
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May 07 14:02:14 <Bejinhan>	tommorris: link?
May 07 14:02:14 <tommorris>	I'd show it to you if Chrome hurried the fuck up
May 07 14:02:23 <Hedgehog456>	Whatever you o
May 07 14:02:25 <Hedgehog456>	*do
May 07 14:02:26 <IceCas>	is the humans.txt?
May 07 14:02:26 <Bejinhan>	IceCas: RfA= Requests for adminship
May 07 14:02:34 <Hedgehog456>	Never use the word "kno"
May 07 14:02:37 <Hedgehog456>	Is it cursed
May 07 14:02:48 <IceCas>	Bejinhan, thanks
May 07 14:02:58 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: orly?
May 07 14:02:59 <tommorris>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:April_fools/April_Fools%27_Day_2011/GoogleBot_RFA
May 07 14:03:28 <Hedgehog456>	Bejinhan: It brings baaaaadddd memories back
May 07 14:03:31 <Bejinhan>	oh haha! april's fool
May 07 14:03:47 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: i see
May 07 14:03:47 <Hedgehog456>	Of a time when I tried to split WP
May 07 14:03:50 <Hedgehog456>	And FAILED
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May 07 14:04:33 <Qcoder00>	Anyone know how you send letters to US govt departments?
May 07 14:04:52 <tommorris>	my favourite on there: "Strongest possible neutral Many plus points, but no MediaWiki talk edits shows candidate isn't well-rounded enough."
May 07 14:04:54 <Qcoder00>	In particular I was wondering if there was an official way you got hold of Amtrak mileages...
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May 07 14:05:54 <Bejinhan>	tommorris: is that autocompleter job a hoax?
May 07 14:06:03 <Bejinhan>	how can anyone type 32,000WPM?
May 07 14:06:24 <Fluffernutter>	huh. i slept from 6pm last night until 9am this morning. I wonder if that's bad.
May 07 14:06:42 <Qcoder00>	Fluffernutter:  You must have been tired
May 07 14:06:47 <Qcoder00>	What did you dream about?
May 07 14:06:48 <Fluffernutter>	i'm still tired
May 07 14:06:52 <Fluffernutter>	i could go back to sleep right now
May 07 14:06:54 <Qcoder00>	I am worried though
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May 07 14:07:57 <Hedgehog456>	"So to all the users out there looking for the most authentic, relevant search results, we encourage you to come directly to Google." Good advice Google.
May 07 14:08:04 <Bejinhan>	Qcoder00 is worried about Fluffernutter?
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May 07 14:08:25 <Qcoder00>	No
May 07 14:08:30 <Qcoder00>	About Wikipedia things
May 07 14:08:33 <Hedgehog456>	It would be scarier if the fenix was worried about Ironholds
May 07 14:08:41 <Qcoder00>	It's too quiet on the lists I watch
May 07 14:09:04 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: xD
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May 07 14:09:24 <Qcoder00>	I.E You don'expect long term backlogs to start vanishing overnight
May 07 14:09:28 <Hedgehog456>	And even scarier if Ironholds was worried about me
May 07 14:12:23 <Bejinhan>	Hedgehog456: that will only happen when the world ends
May 07 14:12:30 <Bejinhan>	Qcoder00: which backlog is empty?
May 07 14:12:34 <Bejinhan>	*list
May 07 14:12:40 <Qcoder00>	Untagged images
May 07 14:13:05 <Qcoder00>	The list of unused Non-free fair use stuff is also smaller than normal
May 07 14:13:12 <Qcoder00>	as are a number of other backlogs
May 07 14:13:39 <Qcoder00>	The number of short page images is also decreasing
May 07 14:13:41 <Qcoder00>	:(
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May 07 14:13:59 <Bejinhan>	Qcoder00: isn't that a good thing?
May 07 14:14:05 <Qcoder00>	Well
May 07 14:14:09 <Qcoder00>	It depends
May 07 14:14:15 <Qcoder00>	If the images are gettinf fixed - yes
May 07 14:14:21 <Qcoder00>	If stuff is getting deleted NO
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May 07 14:17:41 <Sp33dyphil>	Anyone home?
May 07 14:17:56 *	Sp33dyphil yawns
May 07 14:18:14 <Theo10011>	Hello
May 07 14:18:14 <Qcoder00>	Hello?
May 07 14:18:20 <KimiNewt>	Hello!
May 07 14:19:06 <Theo10011>	Hola kimi.
May 07 14:20:11 <KimiNewt>	Good afternoon
May 07 14:20:27 <Theo10011>	It's been slow here today.
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May 07 14:24:22 <mattbuck>	is there any way to restore old versions of a watchlist from say yesterday?
May 07 14:25:54 <tommorris>	don't think so
May 07 14:27:00 <tommorris>	watchlists aren't versioned like pages
May 07 14:27:34 <mattbuck>	crap
May 07 14:27:42 <mattbuck>	I just lost 30,000 items from my commons watchlist :/
May 07 14:27:51 <tommorris>	bugger
May 07 14:27:53 <Theo10011>	woh
May 07 14:28:44 <mattbuck>	should have known better than to try and edit it
May 07 14:29:41 <Bejinhan>	mattbuck: O.O
May 07 14:29:47 <Bejinhan>	30,000 items!
May 07 14:29:48 <mattbuck>	trying to add some back it times out after 2700 >_<
May 07 14:30:15 <mattbuck>	Bejinhan, it's commons, most stuff is images and so barely ever gets edited
May 07 14:30:29 <Bejinhan>	mattbuck: ah, i thought it was enwp
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May 07 14:34:11 <Ironholds>	tommorris, do I email the guy at the foundation, set up the CILIP proposal or go to the shops?
May 07 14:34:27 <Qcoder00>	What is the CILIP project?
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May 07 14:35:13 <Qcoder00>	[[CILIP]] - You mean those people?
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May 07 14:35:22 <Ironholds>	yup
May 07 14:35:44 <Ironholds>	Sue's going to the American Library Association to give the keynote, and I went "fuck it, can't let the seppos have all the fun"
May 07 14:35:50 <Ironholds>	so shimgray and I are doing the CILIP conference
May 07 14:35:51 <Qcoder00>	:)
May 07 14:36:25 <Qcoder00>	:)
May 07 14:36:31 <Ironholds>	shops it is, I'll do the rest when I get back
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May 07 14:37:00 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds: speaking of Libraries... You don't know of one that keeps  pre 1960 UK Statutory Instruments?
May 07 14:37:17 <Ironholds>	I know of..two.
May 07 14:37:18 <Qcoder00>	I am trying to track down a very specfic 1957 one concerning traffic signs
May 07 14:37:30 <Ironholds>	the HOPA and the national archives
May 07 14:37:37 <Ironholds>	also OPSI, but they're not really a library per se
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May 07 14:38:07 <Qcoder00>	Because it's no longer in force the SI concerned isn't on legislation.gov , (I checked)
May 07 14:38:33 <Qcoder00>	However, if the National Archives is likely to hold a copy and is amenable to it being on WikISource...
May 07 14:38:47 <tommorris>	sigh. just been told that I shouldn't refer to stupid people as stupid
May 07 14:38:48 <Qcoder00>	(Some Archives don't like to share :( ) then  Thanks :)
May 07 14:38:57 <Ironholds>	tommorris: where?
May 07 14:38:58 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Define 'stupid'
May 07 14:39:14 <Ironholds>	on the No2av stupid scale, where do they rate?
May 07 14:39:19 <Ironholds>	it's measured in milibecketts
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May 07 14:39:36 <Qcoder00>	What the **** is a milibeckett?
May 07 14:39:46 <tommorris>	by stupid, I mean a Wikipedia vandal, on my talk page
May 07 14:39:50 <Ironholds>	a thousandth of a Margaret Beckett
May 07 14:40:03 <Ironholds>	tommorris: that's about a 15 picobecketts, sounds like
May 07 14:40:12 <tommorris>	I'd say Beckett has lost a lot of my respect for her No2AV stance. But I didn't have much respect for her to start with.
May 07 14:40:32 <Qcoder00>	Are Beckkets a linear or logartihmic measure?
May 07 14:40:40 <Ironholds>	tommorris: my favorite was her "THE ONLY OTHER PLACE WHICH USES IT IS FIJI, AND IT'S SO SHITE THEY'RE GETTING RID OF IT!" argument
May 07 14:40:41 <Qcoder00>	*Becketts?
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May 07 14:40:52 <Ironholds>	1) Fiji is a military dictatorship. That's why they're getting rid of it.
May 07 14:40:54 <tommorris>	in fact, the Labour politicians I hate the most seem to all have opposed AV. Funny that.
May 07 14:41:19 <Ironholds>	2) Fiji became a military dictatorship in 2007. One would expect senior labour figures to remember this if they were involved in foreign affairs
May 07 14:41:27 <Ironholds>	3) the Foreign Secretary in 2007 was Margaret Beckett.
May 07 14:41:39 <foks>	HEH
May 07 14:41:41 <foks>	:3
May 07 14:41:48 <Ironholds>	Hanlon's razor applies, methinks
May 07 14:41:50 <mattbuck>	meh, hopefully my connection at home won't time out so quick so it'll get back to 10k
May 07 14:41:51 <Ironholds>	anyhoo, off to t'shops.
May 07 14:43:43 <tommorris>	holy moley, this remix is pretty fantastic
May 07 14:43:54 <Theo10011>	chip chip cheerio
May 07 14:44:51 <foks>	tommorris, Which?
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May 07 14:46:19 <tommorris>	this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blnaI92vdu0
May 07 14:46:24 <tommorris>	sorry, dealing with someone hacking a site I use
May 07 14:47:25 <foks>	ah
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May 07 15:00:54 <Mike5>	!admin
May 07 15:01:04 <Mike5>	serial copyright violator, both in images and text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arius1996
May 07 15:01:16 <stwalkerster>	lookinh
May 07 15:01:21 <Mike5>	also creates a few hoax articles (fictional aircraft presented as real)
May 07 15:02:20 <Mike5>	i like how he gives the author of one photo as "Chinese Internet"
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May 07 15:04:54 <Mike5>	all of these images for example are copyvios: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_%28aircraft%29
May 07 15:04:58 <Mike5>	and the article is a hoax
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May 07 15:05:42 <Mike5>	it's about the fictional aircraft from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_%28film%29
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May 07 15:17:13 <Delta>	any admins around that want to pad their deletion counts?
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May 07 15:23:18 <Thehelpfulone>	Delta: sure ;)
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May 07 15:23:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	good morning, humans
May 07 15:24:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	who can do me a favor that involves fetching some data?
May 07 15:25:01 <petan>	hm?
May 07 15:25:04 <wctaiwan>	on today's FA: I actually kinda support the idea. If people's bodies stop producing sex hormones, we'd probably be a lot more rational and achieve a lot more (except babies, 'course)
May 07 15:25:20 <petan>	data from wikipedia db or what :)
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May 07 15:25:50 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, NYTimes.com does something weird with its archives from like 1910 - you can see stuff on .pdf, but if you click 'reload' you can't get that .pdf any more
May 07 15:26:16 <wctaiwan>	Dragonfly6-7: link me, I'll see if I can figure something out.
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May 07 15:27:27 <Delta>	Thehelpfulone: give me one sec to re-generate the list
May 07 15:27:47 <Thehelpfulone>	ok
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May 07 15:32:51 <tommorris>	nice, OpenLibrary now has the ability to export Wikipedia citations
May 07 15:33:03 <tommorris>	look at something like this - http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15108973W/The_Jesus_Legend
May 07 15:33:10 <tommorris>	at the bottom, click Wikipedia citation
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May 07 15:43:23 <Headbomb>	yeah they had that for a while
May 07 15:43:31 <Headbomb>	bummer the citation template is filled with crap
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May 07 15:46:07 *	Dragonfly6-7 cracks knuckles. Okay, there we go. [[William P. Spratling]]
May 07 15:46:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	Opinions?
May 07 15:48:00 <geniice>	tommorris I thought libiarything could already do that?
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May 07 15:49:42 <geniice>	tommorris this was the conclusion back in 2009 http://www.librarything.com/blogs/librarything/2009/11/the-books-of-wikipedia/
May 07 15:51:09 <paradoxaz>	Hello all.
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May 07 15:51:39 <Hedgehog456>	Hello paradoxaz
May 07 15:52:11 <topaz>	why are there so many geographical centers of Europe? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Geographical_centre_of_Europe
May 07 15:52:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	because it depends on how you define 'Europe'
May 07 15:52:55 <topaz>	fair point.
May 07 15:53:43 <Hedgehog456>	I have developed a plan
May 07 15:53:47 <tommorris>	geniice: yes, librarything can probably do it
May 07 15:53:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	also, many of those photos are of-or-near-to the same places
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May 07 15:53:56 <tommorris>	but anyone can edit openlibrary! ;-)
May 07 15:54:07 <tommorris>	and the data is all CC0
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May 07 15:54:46 <Delta>	topaz: The location of the geographical centre of Europe depends on the definition of the borders of Europe, mainly whether remote islands are included to define the extreme points of Europe, and on the method of calculating the final result.
May 07 15:54:50 *	topaz reads [[Geographical midpoint of Europe]]
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May 07 15:54:59 <geniice>	you mean PD? CC0 is a marketing thing
May 07 15:55:12 <geniice>	oh dear I appear to be getting into an edit war
May 07 15:55:13 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zamzam_Well&action=history
May 07 15:55:21 <Hedgehog456>	While reading logs, I have discovered the one way to incapacitate a derp
May 07 15:55:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	supernova
May 07 15:58:55 *	Ironholds sighs
May 07 15:59:12 <Ironholds>	I finally emailed Steven back. hooray.
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May 07 16:02:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	whcih Steven?
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May 07 16:03:27 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: Steven Walling
May 07 16:03:50 <Ironholds>	he sent me an email a week ago going "hey, Maryana and I think your idea is neat and want to do scutwork for it!"
May 07 16:03:55 <Ironholds>	and I have now got back to replying
May 07 16:04:01 <tommorris>	your idea being...?
May 07 16:04:05 <Ironholds>	with a sheepish "sorry, exams!" and 10 paragraphs of going mental
May 07 16:04:16 <Ironholds>	tommorris: we're going to build up both success and failure archetypes of wikipedians
May 07 16:04:36 <Ironholds>	looking at how the proportions of each change in different time periods, what correlations in treatment or RL status there are, so on
May 07 16:04:57 <tommorris>	as in successful newbies - people who transition into being active editors
May 07 16:04:58 <Ironholds>	it wasn't actually my idea, I went to philippe "what needs doing" and he went "well, an archetypes thing?"
May 07 16:05:09 <Ironholds>	tommorris: users created in [week] still active in [week] one year later
May 07 16:05:17 <Ironholds>	we've got some initial data back, actually - it's on my blog
May 07 16:05:29 <Ironholds>	nothing analytical, but it's interesting to see how we've started to sink
May 07 16:06:10 <tommorris>	there are rumours circulating on Twitter that Margaret Thatcher has taken a turn for the worse
May 07 16:06:44 <Ironholds>	well, now that progress has been staked through its heart, she has no reason to continue unliving
May 07 16:07:08 <Ironholds>	tommorris: http://quominus.org/arguendo/?p=158 btw
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May 07 16:17:35 <OlEnglish>	ok what the hell...
May 07 16:17:42 <OlEnglish>	is this a drawing or a photo??
May 07 16:17:43 <OlEnglish>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eid_Hassan_Abou_Ashra.jpg
May 07 16:18:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	it's a photo with the background carefully removed and replaced with a blue gradient
May 07 16:18:12 <geniice>	photo
May 07 16:18:22 <geniice>	not so carefully
May 07 16:18:32 <OlEnglish>	oh its a cutout
May 07 16:18:46 <OlEnglish>	he still looks.. fake
May 07 16:18:57 <geniice>	He has certified a BA degree from Faculty of Holy Qur'an Recitations by the year 2003
May 07 16:19:08 <geniice>	least useful qualification ever
May 07 16:19:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	yeah, it's been cut out with scissors
May 07 16:19:21 <Dragonfly6-7>	not "the scissors tool', but actual physical scissors. And then scanned.
May 07 16:19:54 <Ironholds>	geniice: disagree
May 07 16:20:13 <Ironholds>	my university offers a joint-honours cause in waste management and dance
May 07 16:20:44 <geniice>	Ironholds so they have a career to fall back on when the dance doesn't work out?
May 07 16:21:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - it's funnier if you say "when the waste management doesn't work out"
May 07 16:21:33 <Hedgehog456>	"He has completed the Holy Qur'an memorization by the age of 9 years old." Maybe this offer a /sliver/ of notability?
May 07 16:22:00 <Hedgehog456>	*offers
May 07 16:22:03 <geniice>	<Hedgehog456 no. There are supposedly 10s of K people who have done that
May 07 16:22:09 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - source?
May 07 16:22:12 <Hedgehog456>	geniice: Ah
May 07 16:22:26 <geniice>	doesn't help that there is a country that will release you from prision if you memorise the thing
May 07 16:22:27 <Hedgehog456>	geniice: So let's delete him and get it over with
May 07 16:22:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Simply having memorized the Qur'an does not grant notability."
May 07 16:23:13 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafiz_%28Qur%27an%29
May 07 16:23:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	Aha
May 07 16:23:39 *	tommorris has memorized his telephone number and should now be granted a Wikipedia article
May 07 16:23:53 <tommorris>	on Simple Wikipedia, of course
May 07 16:24:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Simply being a Hafiz does not grant notability. The concept of Hafiz itself, yes. But *being* a Hafiz?  No."
May 07 16:24:03 *	Hedgehog456 memorised his a long time ago
May 07 16:24:39 <Hedgehog456>	000-HEDGY-000
May 07 16:24:42 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 16:24:49 <OlEnglish>	does someone want to politely answer him at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eid_Hassan_Abou_Ashra
May 07 16:24:50 <OlEnglish>	?
May 07 16:24:52 <OlEnglish>	for me?
May 07 16:24:57 <Hedgehog456>	I'll do it
May 07 16:25:02 <Hedgehog456>	For you, OlEnglish
May 07 16:25:04 <OlEnglish>	be nice
May 07 16:26:05 <wctaiwan>	why not just put it through AfD instead of CSD though :s
May 07 16:26:45 <OlEnglish>	that could hurt his feelings even more
May 07 16:26:59 <OlEnglish>	i'm assuming he's the subject btw
May 07 16:27:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	OlEnglish - I left him a message on his usertalk
May 07 16:27:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	being a Hafiz does not grant notability
May 07 16:27:32 <wctaiwan>	ah, always fun writing about yourself in third person
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May 07 16:32:42 <Ironholds>	aha!
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May 07 16:33:05 <Ironholds>	the distinction is the trust was dissolved 13 years ago and thus individual contributions after that date can't be counted.
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May 07 16:34:54 <wctaiwan>	has anyone brought up making Contributions a tab (next to User page and Discussion) before? If so, why was it rejected?
May 07 16:35:16 <Ironholds>	wctaiwan: I assume because it's internal and thus won't be of interest to readers or early editors and just clogs up the place
May 07 16:35:21 <Ironholds>	but it might be worth asking in -tech
May 07 16:36:21 <wctaiwan>	It's not so much a tech question (as in, developers' opinions wouldn't matter more than those of respected members of the community) really... But okay.
May 07 16:36:53 <wctaiwan>	I was just wondering since it took me a while (well, until someone here pointed it out :P) to realise it could be accessed under Toolbox.
May 07 16:37:11 <wctaiwan>	I mean, page history is internal as well, no? :P
May 07 16:37:40 <Ironholds>	yeah, but more likely to be of use to newbies wondering wtf happened to their contributions
May 07 16:37:45 <Ironholds>	personally, I use monobook, though
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May 07 16:39:00 *	tommorris loves Vector
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May 07 16:39:13 <wctaiwan>	Vector was a step backwards in some regards.
May 07 16:39:18 <wctaiwan>	but then I got used to it and... meh.
May 07 16:39:35 <OlEnglish>	Dragonfly6-7: uh oh, now you got him going again..
May 07 16:39:55 *	tommorris gets ready to go home
May 07 16:40:20 <Ironholds>	tommorris: work?
May 07 16:40:26 <tommorris>	library
May 07 16:40:36 <wctaiwan>	the "open" tabs really bugged me when I first saw them, but now I just don't even notice anymore
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May 07 16:41:06 *	tommorris was pleased that Citizendium added Vector recently. The default theme on there is fucking appalling
May 07 16:41:13 <wctaiwan>	so is the logo
May 07 16:41:18 <tommorris>	well, yeah
May 07 16:41:22 <tommorris>	it doesn't say "beta" anymore
May 07 16:41:34 <tommorris>	but Pinkwich5 is something only special people can love
May 07 16:41:43 <wctaiwan>	really, I think Wikipedia's slightly more polished appearance may have helped it gain usage.
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May 07 16:43:23 <geniice>	wctaiwan our highest level of recruitment was when we had the classic skin
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May 07 16:43:34 <Tothwolf>	tommorris: weren't they having budget problems?
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May 07 16:44:04 <wctaiwan>	nice and hideous geniice.
May 07 16:44:31 <Ironholds>	geniice: you're both being silly
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May 07 16:44:33 <geniice>	Tothwolf they've got enough money to keep going until about september
May 07 16:45:08 <geniice>	Ironholds eh hard to say your editor retention graph doesn't go back pre 2006
May 07 16:45:40 <Ironholds>	geniice: I more meant linking the interface with contributions
May 07 16:45:49 <geniice>	Tothwolf longer if they switched to a cheaper hosting provider which they seem unable to do
May 07 16:46:05 <geniice>	Ironholds are you questioning the foundation's usability project?
May 07 16:46:06 <Ironholds>	the drop-off started before the introduction of the new skin, so your statement is groundless, while we have no data to indicate that we've attracted more readers since switching, so his is.
May 07 16:46:08 <wctaiwan>	I just looked through all the available skins. Vector and Monobook are the only ones that are usable and don't make me think I'm looking at a plain text google cache.
May 07 16:46:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	I like Classic
May 07 16:46:21 <geniice>	Ironholds err classic predates your graph
May 07 16:46:25 <Ironholds>	geniice: no, it's an important puzzle-piece.
May 07 16:46:29 <Ironholds>	but that's all it is
May 07 16:46:30 <Tothwolf>	Dragonfly6-7: monobook?
May 07 16:46:38 <Tothwolf>	vector is too slow imo
May 07 16:46:39 <geniice>	by 2006 we were on monobook
May 07 16:46:52 <Tothwolf>	too much extra javascript
May 07 16:46:53 <Ironholds>	geniice: the big rises came from 05-07 ;p
May 07 16:46:54 <Dragonfly6-7>	tomaw - no, classic.
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May 07 16:47:19 <geniice>	Ironholds damn thats monobook era
May 07 16:47:42 <wctaiwan>	aanyway. I wasn't trying to start a debate.
May 07 16:47:50 <Ironholds>	geniice: exactly ;p
May 07 16:48:00 <Ironholds>	but yeah, no reason to suggest it's made a substantial impact on editing
May 07 16:48:00 <wctaiwan>	I was trying to say that if wikipedia looked like meatball wiki when I first saw it, I wouldn't be reading it today :P
May 07 16:48:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	geniice - "they've got enough money until September" - 'they' = Citizendium ?
May 07 16:48:11 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 yes
May 07 16:48:44 <geniice>	Dragonfly6-7 see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium
May 07 16:49:29 <KimiNewt>	anyone here read "Machine of Death"?
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May 07 16:49:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	KimiNewt - yes.
May 07 16:49:39 <wctaiwan>	ooh fun, rational wiki
May 07 16:49:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	KimiNewt - Randall Munroe's attack on the concept is quite good
May 07 16:50:05 <KimiNewt>	apparently it's freely available?
May 07 16:50:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	KimiNewt - yep.
May 07 16:51:14 <KimiNewt>	welp
May 07 16:51:17 <KimiNewt>	I was going to buy it on kindle
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May 07 16:51:29 <KimiNewt>	(total impulse buy, I was looking for the new Dino comics book)
May 07 16:51:36 <KimiNewt>	but if it's freely available on PDF..
May 07 16:51:53 <wctaiwan>	https://www.dropbox.com/s/34ickknphalj9ep/MachineofDeath_FINAL_SPREADS.pdf <- direct link :P
May 07 16:52:33 <KimiNewt>	reading a kindle book is more comfortable than just reading a PDF, and I'd be supporting them that way.. hmm
May 07 16:53:49 <wctaiwan>	okay, killing everything other than word so I'd stop procrastinating
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May 07 16:54:26 <KimiNewt>	the dino comcis book, in contrast, is only available on one shop! and not on amazon
May 07 16:54:28 <KimiNewt>	what the cra
May 07 16:55:56 <MuZemike>	Oh, for f***'s sake
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May 07 16:56:28 <geniice>	"Wikipedia articles are not the place for right-wing propaganda and ethnic whining. Thank you." ah custom warnings how do we love thee http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Youngy1979&oldid=375781164
May 07 16:56:31 <Qcoder00>	Hi
May 07 16:56:35 *	Jamietw (~Jamietw@wikipedia/Jamietw) has left #wikipedia-en
May 07 16:56:39 <Qcoder00>	Anyone know how to use CatScan
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May 07 16:56:50 <Qcoder00>	I can't get it to return any sensible results
May 07 16:56:53 <Qcoder00>	?
May 07 16:57:06 <Qcoder00>	http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php - trying to find Image redirects
May 07 16:57:52 <Hedgehog456>	"For my birthday, I want uber-hacking tools, seven hundred computers and a warrant to destroy Conservapedia... for good."
May 07 16:58:46 *	Tothwolf smacks Hedgehog456 around with a UNIX manual
May 07 16:59:36 <Tothwolf>	kids today...
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May 07 17:00:00 <KimiNewt>	let's not get ahead of ourselves now
May 07 17:00:37 <Hedgehog456>	That was a quote.
May 07 17:00:57 *	Hedgehog456 grabs the UNIX manual and smashes Tothwolf open with it
May 07 17:01:23 *	Hedgehog456 puts the manual inside Tothwolf and closes him up again
May 07 17:02:29 <Hedgehog456>	KimiNewt, Tothwolf: I found that on a website.
May 07 17:02:34 <Hedgehog456>	I lol'ed at it.
May 07 17:02:55 <KimiNewt>	Funny thing is, I remember the comic that inspired the book
May 07 17:03:18 <Hedgehog456>	"HOW GNU --no-preserve-root MURDERED /"
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May 07 17:04:10 <Hedgehog456>	KimiNewt: what book? The UNIX manual?
May 07 17:04:14 <geniice>	Conservapedia has been banned in europe. By Conservapedia
May 07 17:04:25 <Hedgehog456>	geniice: Good for 'em
May 07 17:04:37 <KimiNewt>	Yes, the UNIX manual
May 07 17:04:38 <Hedgehog456>	That way I don't have to melt my brains in it
May 07 17:04:41 <KimiNewt>	man man
May 07 17:05:03 <Qcoder00>	geniice: ??
May 07 17:05:14 <Qcoder00>	Where has that been stated?
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May 07 17:05:25 <geniice>	Qcoder00 have you tried visiting Conservapedia of late?
May 07 17:05:34 <Qcoder00>	Or has Conservpedia effectvly declard that by blocking European IP's?
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May 07 17:06:10 <KimiNewt>	this reminds me it's time to buy some BOOKS
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May 07 17:06:50 <Qcoder00>	I'm sorely tempted to get someone that's clearly  a theological scholar in the UK to try and access CP, and then sue them for slander when they get blocked..
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May 07 17:08:42 <Ironholds>	Qcoder00: yeah, that'll work well. idito.
May 07 17:08:44 <Ironholds>	*idiot.
May 07 17:09:08 <geniice>	Conservpedia has increasingly blocked european IPs from even acessing it
May 07 17:09:21 <Hedgehog456>	Like the whole 82 range
May 07 17:09:27 <Hedgehog456>	That contains me >:(
May 07 17:09:29 <Qcoder00>	Conservpedia is being dumb if it thinks blocking Europe will solve the problem
May 07 17:09:43 <Qcoder00>	Serious vandals which just use proxy servers
May 07 17:09:43 <Hedgehog456>	They're racist.
May 07 17:10:01 <Hedgehog456>	Assuming the whole of Europe will destroy Conservapedia.
May 07 17:10:22 <Qcoder00>	Also by blocking Europe , Conservpedia might be consider to be preventing people from checking that information on them is accurate...
May 07 17:10:25 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: oh no!
May 07 17:10:40 <Ironholds>	you're suggesting that crazy right-wingers are less-than-politically correct?
May 07 17:10:42 <Ironholds>	what a shock
May 07 17:11:05 <Hedgehog456>	watch out
May 07 17:11:18 <Hedgehog456>	spam coming; dog on keybo[ard
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May 07 17:11:37 <Hedgehog456>	...
May 07 17:11:49 <Hedgehog456>	spam alert over
May 07 17:11:50 <Hedgehog456>	dog off knee
May 07 17:12:26 <geniice>	strangely the cat generaly avoids the actual keyboard
May 07 17:12:32 <Qcoder00>	http://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia
May 07 17:12:34 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 07 17:12:51 <Qcoder00>	For some reason, My ISP doesn't get blocked ;)
May 07 17:12:59 <Hedgehog456>	Pastebin it.
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May 07 17:13:14 <Hedgehog456>	I want to laugh with scorn.
May 07 17:13:28 <Hedgehog456>	*Paste
May 07 17:13:29 <Qcoder00>	What license does CP use?
May 07 17:13:34 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: What's the lead sentence?
May 07 17:13:39 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: dunno
May 07 17:13:55 <Qcoder00>	"Wikipedia is a online encyclopedia[1] written and edited by an ad hoc assemblage of anonymous persons who are mostly, according to the Register (UK)[2][3], teenagers and unemployed persons."
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May 07 17:14:37 <Qcoder00>	Now  they do say that's from an external source.... but I doubt that's accurate
May 07 17:14:39 <Hedgehog456>	OMG how do they know so much about the Register?
May 07 17:14:54 <Hedgehog456>	give us the links from the source please
May 07 17:15:09 <Ironholds>	hah
May 07 17:15:15 <Ironholds>	I'm blocked from viewing it. nice.
May 07 17:15:21 <Hedgehog456>	Ironholds: same
May 07 17:15:23 <Qcoder00>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/18/sanger_forks_wikipedia/ , http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/mar/08/media.comment
May 07 17:15:26 <geniice>	hmm I'm not at the monent
May 07 17:15:28 <geniice>	I usualy am
May 07 17:15:42 <topaz>	they don't say anything of the sort
May 07 17:15:53 <topaz>	(also shocking, I know)
May 07 17:15:59 <Qcoder00>	geniice: It would be ironic if someone found something on CP that got blocked in the UK by the IWF filter.... ;)
May 07 17:16:30 <Qcoder00>	*that got it blocked
May 07 17:17:14 <Qcoder00>	But given CP's policy I doubt that's likely, as they are careful...
May 07 17:17:54 <Qcoder00>	http://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia#GFDL_License_Issue ROFL ROFL -
May 07 17:18:31 <Hedgehog456>	Paste first sentence :D
May 07 17:18:34 <Hedgehog456>	Pls
May 07 17:18:51 <Simon->	did Uncyclopedia take over Conservapedia? the whole thing is a joke right?
May 07 17:19:12 <Hedgehog456>	Simon-: I hope not
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May 07 17:19:40 <Qcoder00>	Simon: Sadly CP is not satire
May 07 17:19:54 <Qcoder00>	If it was , it would be much more vitriloic ;)
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May 07 17:20:37 <Simon->	plenty of ad hominem attacks in their articles
May 07 17:21:08 <Qcoder00>	Simon: Well its a US based site
May 07 17:21:14 <Simon->	"here's a photo of this fat person, and that fat person, and this other fat person" gets a bit ridiculous on their Atheism article
May 07 17:21:15 <Qcoder00>	First Ammendment and all that
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May 07 17:21:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	Simon- - there's *lots* of stuff on Conservapedia that gets ridiculous
May 07 17:21:45 <Dragonfly6-7>	also "lesbians are fat"
May 07 17:21:49 <Qcoder00>	CP won't get into trouble unless it actually has an opinion on something like Koran burning...
May 07 17:22:29 <Qcoder00>	and I do mean OPINION rather than factual news coverage
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May 07 17:23:24 *	Hedgehog456 calls upon God to perform His first act of Server Destruction by Lightning
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May 07 17:24:25 <Qcoder00>	Hedghog456: No
May 07 17:24:38 <Qcoder00>	You do not ask a merciful god to show his wrath ;)
May 07 17:24:42 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 17:25:11 <Hedgehog456>	But seriously, this... libel is probably being fed into the minds of /children/ in America
May 07 17:25:16 <duggthe>	Is anyone able to give me a list of the pieces of information that will be available on any government-issued ID card, passport or driver's license throughout the civilized world? The ones I'm 99% sure of are: first name, last name, date of birth (day, month and year), autograph, photograph of face.
May 07 17:25:35 *	Dragonfly6-7 sighs. Remind me how to do multiple references to a single external source?
May 07 17:25:45 <Hedgehog456>	They'll be turned into thoughtless, conservative, religious zombies
May 07 17:26:02 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456:  Who actually uses CP?
May 07 17:26:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	ref name something?
May 07 17:26:14 <Qcoder00>	Apart from conservative religous types?
May 07 17:26:29 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: Teachers who like it, making their students read it for homework?
May 07 17:26:47 <Qcoder00>	Teachers should be insisting on 'reliable' sources...
May 07 17:26:54 <Qcoder00>	Not a specfic one ;)
May 07 17:27:34 <Hedgehog456>	Who here wants a place to discuss, learn and express their opinions about practically everything?
May 07 17:27:49 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456:  It's called IRC ;)
May 07 17:28:06 <Hedgehog456>	Qcoder00: In a permanent way?
May 07 17:28:26 <Hedgehog456>	So that your comments are recorded for other people to learn from them?
May 07 17:28:31 <Qcoder00>	USENET?
May 07 17:28:36 <Qcoder00>	Google Groups?
May 07 17:29:09 <Hedgehog456>	;(
May 07 17:29:18 <Hedgehog456>	I give up
May 07 17:29:42 <Hedgehog456>	I was trying to do some shameless advertising there, but...
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May 07 17:38:10 <pakaran>	is this a spam?
May 07 17:38:11 <pakaran>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Zahid_Hossain_Khan&redirect=no&rcid=440539519
May 07 17:38:40 <Dragonfly6-7>	hard to say, but it's definitely not an appropriat use of a userpage
May 07 17:38:42 *	Dragonfly6-7 deletes
May 07 17:39:29 <Peter-C>	I has debit card :)_
May 07 17:40:36 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7:  Can i have a private word about something?
May 07 17:40:44 <Dragonfly6-7>	Wait
May 07 17:41:13 <Qcoder00>	I may as well give the general aspect here though - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=1500&target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2Fhtml%2Fuscode17%2Fusc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html
May 07 17:41:31 <duggthe>	Is anyone able to give me a list of the pieces of information that will be available on any government-issued ID card, passport or driver's license throughout the civilized world? The ones I'm 99% sure of are: first name, last name, date of birth (day, month and year), autograph, photograph of face.
May 07 17:41:40 <Qcoder00>	There's a cleanup backlog from when an older generation of FUR attempt got substed...
May 07 17:41:51 <Qcoder00>	.. and I'm trying slowly to clear it
May 07 17:42:06 <Qcoder00>	The specfic matter , I won't disscuss in open channel
May 07 17:45:58 <duggthe>	"Beverly Hills Chihuahua"... you can HEAR on the name that this is gonna be one lousy film
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May 07 17:51:02 <geniice>	hmm its things like this that make me regret not having a laptop
May 07 17:51:04 <geniice>	http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAMcamp_London
May 07 17:51:47 <Peter-C>	http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/c_word/6.png xD
May 07 17:52:12 <duggthe>	Most unfunny crap ever.
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May 07 18:06:00 <Quentinv57>	!admin Please block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.6.169.163 - it will prevent mass add of interwiki links [[en:69 (sex position)#Method]]
May 07 18:06:06 <Quentinv57>	Thanks by advance
May 07 18:06:59 *	FAdmArcher is now known as FAdmArcher|away
May 07 18:07:02 <foks>	Mass addition?
May 07 18:07:09 <foks>	I see approximately 1.
May 07 18:08:08 <Qcoder00>	Ironholds : You still here?
May 07 18:09:04 <Thehelpfulone>	I agree - Quentinv57 where else has there been abuse?
May 07 18:09:18 <Qcoder00>	Thehelpfulone:  Hi
May 07 18:09:31 <Qcoder00>	Thehelpfulone:  Can you assist with something?
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May 07 18:10:00 <Quentinv57>	foks, I just reverted about 50...
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May 07 18:10:20 <foks>	From that IP?
May 07 18:10:28 <foks>	There's only 1.
May 07 18:10:30 <Quentinv57>	not, from KamikazeBot
May 07 18:10:34 <Qcoder00>	thehelpfulone: There used to be a script which auto added {{information on -self tagged images?)
May 07 18:10:44 <Qcoder00>	((information}}
May 07 18:10:53 <Quentinv57>	foks, i.e. http://jv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Djibouti&diff=497298&oldid=496214
May 07 18:11:02 <Qcoder00>	Arghh :( I can't type {{information}} even...
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May 07 18:11:19 <foks>	Quentinv57, that is on another Wiki
May 07 18:11:26 <Qcoder00>	Would it be possible for a bot to do this addition of basic information for -self type images?
May 07 18:11:39 <Quentinv57>	foks, and ?
May 07 18:11:39 <Qcoder00>	(Albiet with some later manual cleanup)
May 07 18:11:41 <foks>	It's also because of vandalism to the Djibouti article which has now been reverted
May 07 18:11:51 <foks>	Quentinv57, admins here are admins here.
May 07 18:11:57 <foks>	Not on the "jv.wiki"
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May 07 18:12:25 <Thehelpfulone>	can't you just global block/lock it temporarily?
May 07 18:12:48 <foks>	The vandalism's been reverted alread
May 07 18:12:52 <foks>	y
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May 07 18:13:36 <foks>	And it's the only false positive from that bot: http://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astamiwa:Kontribusi_pengguna/KamikazeBot
May 07 18:14:18 <Quentinv57>	Thehelpfulone, the only project he has contributed is enwiki... I can't give a global block for that, that's only for cross wiki issues
May 07 18:14:38 <foks>	...What?
May 07 18:14:45 <Quentinv57>	foks, ok for the block, but there should be something to prevent the massive add of interwiki
May 07 18:14:52 <foks>	That vandalism was on the Javanese... What?
May 07 18:14:56 <foks>	I'm so confused.
May 07 18:14:57 <foks>	:D
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May 07 18:15:23 <Quentinv57>	foks, no, the vandalism was on enwiki and has been moved to any wikipedia by the bot
May 07 18:15:28 <foks>	You want the IP blocked to stop him redirecting articles to vandalistic hotspots and therefore prevent KamikazeBot from altering interwikis on differing wikis
May 07 18:15:47 <foks>	It'll change it back by itself
May 07 18:15:50 <foks>	That's how it works
May 07 18:15:57 <foks>	(the bot will, I mean))
May 07 18:16:40 <Quentinv57>	foks, but probably we can propose to add a new condition : the bot won't add massively interwikis added by a non-patrolled user
May 07 18:16:52 <foks>	That's not for me to decide
May 07 18:16:57 <foks>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KamikazeBot
May 07 18:17:04 <foks>	Contact the user directly there
May 07 18:17:12 <foks>	Or rather, using the instructions there
May 07 18:17:15 <Quentinv57>	foks, already done
May 07 18:17:21 <foks>	Well, wait.
May 07 18:17:23 <foks>	:)
May 07 18:17:29 <Quentinv57>	foks, sure he's using a script, that's a global thing
May 07 18:17:44 <AzaToth>	what's the disease called when you are stuck sitting and clicking through wikipedia articles?
May 07 18:17:56 <foks>	AzaToth, dementia ):
May 07 18:18:01 <AzaToth>	foks: :-P
May 07 18:18:05 <foks>	Quentinv57, ...the bot is
May 07 18:18:15 <foks>	I'm not blocking the bot.
May 07 18:18:17 <foks>	:)
May 07 18:18:33 <AzaToth>	foks: meant when you divert from the subject of the original article you where reading to something totally different
May 07 18:18:43 <Quentinv57>	foks, not, that was just a temporary problem, that's done now
May 07 18:18:48 <foks>	AzaToth, oh, right, probably mild ADHA
May 07 18:18:52 <foks>	... ADHD *
May 07 18:18:53 <Quentinv57>	I'll discuss it with the owner if I have time
May 07 18:18:56 <foks>	Or ADD.
May 07 18:18:59 <foks>	Quentinv57, he's on IRC
May 07 18:19:06 <foks>	 /join wikipedia-pl
May 07 18:19:12 <foks>	He's idling though
May 07 18:19:15 <Quentinv57>	foks, thanks a lot, haven't seen :)
May 07 18:19:27 <foks>	Not at all
May 07 18:19:48 <AzaToth>	wassup?
May 07 18:19:49 <foks>	Quentinv57, as I say, he's not replying right not
May 07 18:19:52 <foks>	* nw
May 07 18:19:56 <foks>	... *now
May 07 18:20:11 <Quentinv57>	foks, okay, not a problem, I have all night ;)
May 07 18:20:15 <foks>	:P
May 07 18:20:21 <foks>	Doctor Who is on
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May 07 18:20:24 <foks>	Bubi
May 07 18:20:26 <foks>	:3
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May 07 18:22:09 <KimiNewt>	I can't find enough non-digitally available books I'd like to buy
May 07 18:23:47 <KimiNewt>	I usually buy ~6-7 books together so shipping is justified
May 07 18:24:05 <KimiNewt>	but I can't find enough now
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May 07 18:26:02 <geniice>	does anyone had links to the new bin laden videos?
May 07 18:27:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	the ones where he dances?
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May 07 18:31:15 <KimiNewt>	DAMN YOU, books available on kindle!
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May 07 18:45:50 <KimiNewt>	I need to quickly decide whether I'm staying at home or at my apartment tonight.
May 07 18:46:46 <KimiNewt>	Arguments: Takes me 40 minutes to get to the apartment. I have to get to work early tomorrow, and it's sunday traffic. Takes me ~75 minutes & 25 minutes to get to work from either home or the apartment, respectively
May 07 18:47:04 <KimiNewt>	}
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May 07 18:48:36 <KimiNewt>	and not a fuck was given that day
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May 07 19:27:51 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Image_file_names#Explicit.2Fobjectively_defined_naming_conventions
May 07 19:27:57 <Qcoder00>	Feedback requested
May 07 19:30:02 <Ironholds>	"waste of paper - if we understand what the image is about from the title, that's good enough"
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May 07 19:36:08 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 07 19:36:14 <Hedgehog456>	oops
May 07 19:36:16 <Hedgehog456>	:(
May 07 19:36:18 <Hedgehog456>	not here
May 07 19:36:24 *	tommorris would tend to agree with Ironholds here
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May 07 19:36:54 <tommorris>	how many files is enWP hosting that would have to be renamed to meet an "explicit, objectively defined naming convention"
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May 07 19:36:58 <tommorris>	fucking all of them, I'd bet
May 07 19:37:36 <tommorris>	whereas the status quo of "if the name sucks, nominate it for a name change" plus "if you do that a lot and don't suck at it, you get to be a File Mover" seems eminently reasonable
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May 07 19:40:10 <Ironholds>	tommorris: ever read any Christopher Brookmyre?
May 07 19:40:14 <tommorris>	nay
May 07 19:41:26 <Ironholds>	tommorris: read http://www.brookmyre.co.uk/extras/short-stories/bampot-central/
May 07 19:41:31 <Ironholds>	then pick up every Parlabane book
May 07 19:41:51 <tommorris>	but, but, my book backlog is enormous
May 07 19:41:54 <Ironholds>	also One Fine Day In The Middle Of The Night, which is a school reuinion set on a disused oil well being assaulted by terrorists
May 07 19:42:07 <Ironholds>	irrelevant. you will buy them, read one sentence and be hooked to the rest of the book
May 07 19:42:12 <Ironholds>	it's like cheap, legal crack
May 07 19:42:16 <tommorris>	but it does have the word "CUNT" in it, so that's a plus
May 07 19:42:49 <Hedgehog456>	http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=google.com
May 07 19:42:51 <Hedgehog456>	HAHAHA
May 07 19:44:22 <Ironholds>	tommorris: Jack Parlabane is an immoral, establishment-hating shortarse with a cynical nature and a propensity for swearing
May 07 19:44:57 <Hedgehog456>	and http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=wikimedia.org/
May 07 19:44:58 <Ironholds>	he reminds me of me, only, y'know. he's useful.
May 07 19:45:00 <Hedgehog456>	be afraid
May 07 19:45:05 <Hedgehog456>	be very afraid
May 07 19:45:09 <Ironholds>	Hedgehog456: we're not
May 07 19:45:16 <Qcoder00>	Quick question: Whats the tag you put on a template that isn't subst but may appear unused because it's used for request that are handled rapidly?
May 07 19:45:19 <Hedgehog456>	nor am i :D
May 07 19:46:18 <tommorris>	could an admin do an RFPP for me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP "Holly grieg"
May 07 19:47:02 <tommorris>	basically, there's some persistent people recreating the article in order to post BLP violations about someone being a paedophile
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May 07 19:47:13 <Ironholds>	sure
May 07 19:47:45 <tommorris>	if you need more info, I've had some back-and-forth with User:Chzz by e-mail about it
May 07 19:48:28 <Ironholds>	done
May 07 19:48:33 <Ironholds>	want the user in question indeffed?
May 07 19:49:11 <Logan_>	Ironholds: UtherSRG doesn't seem to have taken the hint
May 07 19:49:24 <Ironholds>	Logan_: I'm about to open a thread on him
May 07 19:49:29 <Logan_>	did you see his talk page?
May 07 19:49:36 <Logan_>	he's still A7ing stuff that shouldn't be
May 07 19:49:45 <Logan_>	and he also did an A1 for an article with context
May 07 19:49:49 <Hedgehog456>	URGH
May 07 19:49:58 <Ironholds>	hang on
May 07 19:50:26 <tommorris>	thanks Ironholds
May 07 19:51:02 <Logan_>	brb
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May 07 19:51:13 <tommorris>	wait, thanks Beeblebrox ;-)
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May 07 19:52:43 <Logan_>	back
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May 07 19:52:55 <PeterSymonds>	How wonderful.
May 07 19:53:26 *	Logan_ smacks PeterSymonds over the head with a trout
May 07 19:53:34 <Hedgehog456>	I'm waiting for a dev :S
May 07 19:53:48 <PeterSymonds>	You'll be waiting for some time.
May 07 19:54:01 <Ironholds>	tommorris: no problem
May 07 19:54:04 <Ironholds>	now, read parlabane story
May 07 19:55:12 <GabrielF>	I'm thinking of doing a visualization of IP editors on wikipedia over a day. Basically it would be a time-lapse video of a world map with dots on the map showing edits
May 07 19:55:19 <GabrielF>	similar to this: http://infosthetics.com/archives/2009/12/a_day_in_the_life_of_nytimescom_visualizing_web_traffic_data.html
May 07 19:55:45 <tommorris>	Vince Cable just described the Tories as "ruthless, calculating and tribal". Such a nice way of describing one's coalition partners. ;-)
May 07 19:55:50 <Hedgehog456>	PeterSymonds: I can imagine so. Where are they when you need them and you've just discovered a virus on the WM servers and the sky is falling down etc?
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May 07 19:56:53 <PeterSymonds>	Have you discovered a virus on the WM servers?
May 07 19:57:11 <Hedgehog456>	Google SafeBrowsing: a hidden gem
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May 07 19:57:26 <Hedgehog456>	They found a scripting exploit on upload.
May 07 19:57:28 <PeterSymonds>	Have you tried #wikimedia-tech ?
May 07 19:57:40 <Hedgehog456>	No devs around :(
May 07 19:57:41 <Hedgehog456>	Yes
May 07 19:57:51 <tommorris>	quote from User:Chzz's page -- {{helpme|I'm pregnant}}
May 07 19:57:53 <BarkingFish>	There is, RobH is about, he was helping me with something a few moments ago
May 07 19:58:26 <tommorris>	{{helpme|I'm staring into the abyss and it looks a bit like [[WP:ANI]].}}
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May 07 19:59:54 <Logan_>	Ironholds: where are you opening the thread?
May 07 19:59:59 <Hedgehog456>	{{helpme|Amy Pond is having a time baby ROFLMAO OMG WTF!}}
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May 07 20:01:09 <Ironholds>	Logan_: ANI
May 07 20:01:20 <Ironholds>	just writing my teflon now
May 07 20:01:27 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog : huh?
May 07 20:01:36 <duggthe>	In a name such as Scrooge Buck McDuck, assuming "Buck" is legally the "middle" name or whatever, what is considered the first name and last name? "Scrooge" is the first name and "McDuck" is the last name? On my ID card issued by the government and a big bank, it says "Scrooge Buck" as the first name (except my names of course) and "McDuck" as last name. Is this done internationally?
May 07 20:01:37 <Logan_>	Ironholds: ok, let me know when it
May 07 20:01:40 <Logan_>	'*it's up
May 07 20:01:46 <Qcoder00>	Wikipedia and scripting ecploits?
May 07 20:01:59 <Logan_>	duggthe: stop trolling
May 07 20:02:28 <duggthe>	Logan_: What the fuck is your problem?
May 07 20:02:39 <Logan_>	heh
May 07 20:02:42 <duggthe>	I'm asking a serious question and you call it "trolling"?
May 07 20:02:54 <Logan_>	I must be an idiot
May 07 20:03:00 <PeterSymonds>	Probably.
May 07 20:03:07 <Hedgehog456>	I concur.
May 07 20:03:19 <Qcoder00>	duggthe:  Please don't swear
May 07 20:03:54 *	Hedgehog456 dials the Swearing Squad from yesterday
May 07 20:04:03 <duggthe>	Not to mention the problems arising when people are called "X von Y" or some Arabic name...
May 07 20:04:12 <Ironholds>	duggthe: hangon, just parsing it
May 07 20:04:23 <Ironholds>	yeah, that's standard
May 07 20:04:34 <Ironholds>	because then you structure it "McDuck, Scrooge Buck"
May 07 20:04:37 <duggthe>	So the full legal "anything before the last name" is considered the first name?
May 07 20:04:50 <Ironholds>	duggthe: well, names are not really legally codified
May 07 20:05:00 <duggthe>	Kat von Dyke is "Kat von" and "Dyke"?
May 07 20:05:00 <Ironholds>	it's like cannibalism - the flavour varies from person to person
May 07 20:05:15 <Ironholds>	duggthe: that'd probably be von Dyke, Kat
May 07 20:05:25 <Ironholds>	because von is a joining word and not an independent name
May 07 20:05:26 <duggthe>	Well, when mining data, you want to keep this consistent so that you can't end up with dupes.
May 07 20:05:28 <Ironholds>	like I said, it's unclear
May 07 20:05:32 <Ironholds>	of course
May 07 20:05:43 <Ironholds>	and so you usually get consistency within a dataset, but not across all datasets
May 07 20:06:07 <duggthe>	Would you say it's safe to use the "first string" of the "first name" to be the first name and then the entire last name as the last name?
May 07 20:06:48 <duggthe>	So when banks do fraud checks or compare input to their records, they don't do if ($var1 == $var2) in their application code, but instead compare how many % similar the two strings are?
May 07 20:07:11 <Qcoder00>	duggthe: And you are asking here because?
May 07 20:07:22 <duggthe>	Because you're unhelpful, Qcoder00.
May 07 20:07:38 <Qcoder00>	duggthe: I am expecting you to apologise
May 07 20:07:42 <tommorris>	look, it's very simple, middle names form part of the given name, and von names are a special case.
May 07 20:07:53 <Qcoder00>	duggthe:  Some context would be helpful
May 07 20:07:54 <Logan_>	duggthe: I still don't get why you're talking about a Disney character
May 07 20:08:03 <Hedgehog456>	Logan_: foobar
May 07 20:08:30 <Hedgehog456>	Logan_: Lorem ipsum
May 07 20:08:32 <Logan_>	but he said that his passport said "Scrooge McDuck"
May 07 20:08:33 <duggthe>	tommorris: How do you know what's a special case? You keep a list of possibly the hundreds of "von" cases?
May 07 20:08:43 <duggthe>	Logan_: Learn how to read.
May 07 20:08:43 <tommorris>	you want some logical implementation of this? BibTeX author name optimization pattern and vCard specification
May 07 20:08:50 <tommorris>	duggthe: basically, yes
May 07 20:08:58 <tommorris>	Names are a gigantic pain-in-the-ass
May 07 20:09:18 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Not to mention Iclelandic and Japanese/Chinese style ones... ;)
May 07 20:09:25 <duggthe>	Social security numbers vary completely between countries..-
May 07 20:09:34 <tommorris>	and Spanish naming conventions
May 07 20:09:52 <duggthe>	Is there an international format for social security numbers? Maybe something like <COUNTRY_CODE>-<STRING-WITH-JUST-NUMBER>
May 07 20:10:11 <Qcoder00>	duggthe: In what context are you asking this?
May 07 20:10:17 <tommorris>	basically, the way you store names is you store a formatted name, then you store family name and given name separately
May 07 20:10:20 <duggthe>	Data mining and comparison context.
May 07 20:10:21 <Qcoder00>	There are programming channel on freenode
May 07 20:10:31 <duggthe>	Has nothing to do with programming.
May 07 20:11:12 <duggthe>	I can only assume that there is extreme inaccuracies in the many outdated, messy datasets out there.
May 07 20:11:18 <duggthe>	*are
May 07 20:11:28 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 07 20:11:28 <tommorris>	as for names and security, Levenshtein distance seems a bad way of doing it
May 07 20:11:37 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  What is a filemover?
May 07 20:11:43 <Qcoder00>	Saw your comments....
May 07 20:11:48 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: a file mover is a user right on enWP that lets you move files
May 07 20:12:03 <tommorris>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_mover
May 07 20:12:04 <Qcoder00>	And how does it differ from doing 'Move' on an Image description page?
May 07 20:12:48 <tommorris>	err, because you can't do that unless you've got file mover or sysop
May 07 20:13:28 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Federation_of_European_Motorcyclists_Associations_logo.gif&action=history ?
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May 07 20:13:31 <Qcoder00>	See
May 07 20:13:37 <Qcoder00>	I was able to move a file?
May 07 20:14:02 <Qcoder00>	or is something likley to have broken?
May 07 20:14:06 <tommorris>	Qcoder00: you've got file mover
May 07 20:14:13 <Qcoder00>	Huh?
May 07 20:14:20 <Qcoder00>	I'm the infamous Sfan00_IMG
May 07 20:14:21 <Qcoder00>	LOL
May 07 20:15:05 <Qcoder00>	I thought  until I tried it, that someone had removed it during the last round of moans about image enforcment
May 07 20:15:07 <Qcoder00>	XD
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May 07 20:15:31 <Ironholds>	Logan_: done
May 07 20:15:37 *	Logan_ looks
May 07 20:15:53 <Qcoder00>	My comments about title conventions  was mainly so that there's a clear guidline for renaming Non-free album covers to  <album>-<artist>-<title> type names
May 07 20:15:53 <Ironholds>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AUtherSRG&action=historysubmit&diff=427589615&oldid=427589444
May 07 20:16:01 <Ironholds>	sorry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:UtherSG_refusing_to_get_the_point
May 07 20:16:33 <Logan_>	Ironholds: nice, thanks
May 07 20:17:08 <Ironholds>	Logan_ np
May 07 20:17:22 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I fixed the typos (you wrote UtherSG instead of UtherSRG) :P
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May 07 20:17:48 <Logan_>	oh, I see you did it at the same time :P
May 07 20:18:31 <tommorris>	Ironholds: "forcible tool-removal". oh god. better than forcible tool-insertion I guess
May 07 20:19:08 <tommorris>	Ironholds: the title and username is wrong
May 07 20:19:18 <tommorris>	oh you fixed it
May 07 20:19:20 <Logan_>	tommorris: already fixed
May 07 20:19:41 <tommorris>	yep, was reading it and "hold on, an admin without a user page or user talk - that's weeeird"
May 07 20:19:45 <Ironholds>	tommorris: it sounds like a surgical procedure
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May 07 20:20:30 <Ironholds>	now to sit back and watch my magic teflon rationale go
May 07 20:20:42 *	Ironholds cricks fingers, picks up a book and some chocolate buttons
May 07 20:21:06 <Logan_>	heh
May 07 20:21:13 *	tommorris is ever so slightly in love with OpenLibrary
May 07 20:21:25 <tommorris>	just wish it was more wiki-ish and less database-ish
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May 07 20:22:25 <Logan_>	Ironholds: justice will be served
May 07 20:22:40 <Logan_>	(I hope)
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May 07 20:24:04 <geniice>	tommorris and yet we have people wanting wikipedia to be more database-ish
May 07 20:24:29 <geniice>	whats the templates for saying that an article contains significant factual errors?
May 07 20:24:52 <geniice>	you know like {{NPOV}} but for facts
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May 07 20:25:34 <LauraHale>	Anyone awake and willing to be my Wikipedia therapist? :/
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May 07 20:25:46 <Ryulong>	wut
May 07 20:26:07 <Ironholds>	Logan_: a user I was rapping on the knuckles once said that I could quote "make an apology for speeding look like a fucking genocide admission. You just put teflon arguments up and the truth slides off"
May 07 20:26:11 <Ironholds>	I take that as a compliment
May 07 20:26:19 <Ironholds>	now, if only I didn't hate crim law so much
May 07 20:26:37 <Logan_>	hahaha, that's awesome
May 07 20:26:44 <Ironholds>	LauraHale: sure
May 07 20:26:56 <Ironholds>	Logan_: well, I really dislike criminal law, so it's never taking me anywhere
May 07 20:27:07 <Ironholds>	I'm a mean bastard with a way of twisting words. To the church!
May 07 20:27:11 <Logan_>	which type of law do you study?
May 07 20:27:53 <Logan_>	geniice: {{disputed}}
May 07 20:28:34 <Qcoder00>	Logan_: Ironholds is a civil person, except when people present him with a bad argument ;)
May 07 20:29:01 <Ironholds>	hah
May 07 20:29:17 <Ironholds>	Logan_: constitutional and administrative law is my personal area of preference
May 07 20:29:20 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - re: UtherSRG - what do you think the odds are that his account has been compromised?
May 07 20:29:23 <Ironholds>	with requisite forays into human rights
May 07 20:29:25 <Logan_>	ok
May 07 20:29:29 <Ironholds>	Dragonfly6-7: relatively low
May 07 20:29:32 <Ironholds>	but I did consider it
May 07 20:29:33 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: slim to none
May 07 20:30:07 <tommorris>	speaking of bad arguments, I heard what I took to be a really shit argument on a podcast. I was all wired up on the train ready to write a blog post ripping the living shit out of it. then I relistened to the segment and saw that it was just wrong, rather than egregiously stupid and logically unsound as I had thought. I was slightly disappointed as I wouldn't get a chance to throw shit at stupid people.
May 07 20:30:14 <Logan_>	O_O
May 07 20:30:49 <tommorris>	geniice: I was more thinking on OpenLibrary, it would be awesome for non-fiction books to say that chapter whatever of book B was a response to the thesis of book A, and thus build up a web of books in dialogue with one another
May 07 20:30:56 *	tommorris wants that kind of thing so badly
May 07 20:31:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	tommorris - what do you think of [[William P. Spratling]] ?
May 07 20:31:39 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: the guy or the article?
May 07 20:32:17 <Dragonfly6-7>	the article
May 07 20:32:36 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7
May 07 20:32:42 <geniice>	tommorris heh you mean stuff like it's not entirely coincidental that of two books covering german mindget submarines one has a chapter called "gotterdammerung" and the other "twilight of the gods"
May 07 20:32:54 <Qcoder00>	Dragonfly6-7:  Can you see deleted page histories?
May 07 20:33:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	Qcoder00 - yes, all administrators can see deleted page histories (barring oversight).
May 07 20:33:15 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: looks like an okay stub
May 07 20:33:18 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Speedy_deletion_declined - I have had some suggested I tagged a cat that shouldn;t have been?
May 07 20:33:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	okay, let me look
May 07 20:33:30 <tommorris>	but then I don't really know much about the history of neurology
May 07 20:33:42 <Qcoder00>	And I'd like to confirm what they say is correct
May 07 20:34:19 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs. I'm honestly not very familiar with the deletion criteria for categories.
May 07 20:34:43 <Qcoder00>	The conern was that the category concerned was a 'Category Redirect'
May 07 20:35:04 <Qcoder00>	And I do NOT recall noticing anything saying it was when I tagged it
May 07 20:35:21 *	Dragonfly6-7 shrugs. I'm honestly not very familiar with the deletion criteria for categories.
May 07 20:35:48 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terraria - possibe IP that doesn't get it  :(
May 07 20:36:54 <Logan_>	Qcoder00: look at the tag
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May 07 20:37:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	gone
May 07 20:37:07 <Qcoder00>	On what?
May 07 20:37:12 <Logan_>	oh wait, nvm
May 07 20:38:54 <Logan_>	Dragonfly6-7: you forgot the talk page
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May 07 20:39:40 <tommorris>	hmm. wondering if it would be possible to write a legal licence which is basically a 'Wikipedia licence'. It would allow any registered user on any Wikimedia Foundation project to copy a work without attribution and place it on a Wikimedia Foundation site under the appropriate licence used on that site.
May 07 20:40:07 <geniice>	yes but it would be undesirable
May 07 20:40:17 <tommorris>	it'd be like the CC BY-SA licence, but without the BY or SA requirements of having to point back to the original source
May 07 20:40:20 <geniice>	hmm usefel as an essy
May 07 20:40:22 <geniice>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geni/WW2_sourcing_issues
May 07 20:40:59 <tommorris>	basically, if I'm publishing something under BY-SA but don't care about Wikipedia linking back to me as a source, but want other people to do so
May 07 20:41:00 <geniice>	?
May 07 20:41:10 <geniice>	tommorris it could be done but it makes tracing stuff a pain
May 07 20:42:06 <tommorris>	I mean, currently, when someone ports an article from another site like Citizendium back to WP (it does happen very rarely!) they have to put a little banner at the bottom saying that it contains material from CZ
May 07 20:42:57 <geniice>	there are other ways of doing it but yes
May 07 20:43:01 <tommorris>	but if I were running my own site where I publish my own notes and ideas on a wiki, and licensing those as CC BY-SA, I might also have a thing saying that registered Wikimedians can use them as if they were public domain
May 07 20:43:38 <tommorris>	I could just do a public domain grant...
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May 07 20:44:20 <tommorris>	but in essence, this would be simply a "under these limited circumstances, you can have a copy of this without the attribution licence if the only thing you do with it is to republish it on a site with a free licencing policy like [limited list of sites... those from WMF]"
May 07 20:44:54 <tommorris>	other people *could* use it under ordianry CC BY-SA terms but Wikimedians could use it without having to put in tedious attribution templates and other such crap
May 07 20:45:08 <geniice>	technicaly possible but messy
May 07 20:45:19 <geniice>	and frankly the world doesn't need any more licenses
May 07 20:45:25 <tommorris>	true dat
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May 07 20:46:00 <tommorris>	although I am a big fan of the AGPL and wish more people would use it.
May 07 20:46:22 <tommorris>	I don't like that web apps have become a way of escaping the spirit of the GPL.
May 07 20:46:27 <Qcoder00>	What's AGPL?
May 07 20:46:36 <tommorris>	Affero GPL
May 07 20:46:59 <Qcoder00>	Oh you mean the , if you use  'free' stuff to run a web service,  you have to give away your business model to others
May 07 20:47:00 <tommorris>	it's like the GPL but it is for web apps. If you modify the web app and host your own version you have to release your modifications
May 07 20:47:26 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: that sounds rubbish
May 07 20:47:30 <tommorris>	Fuck your business model.
May 07 20:47:35 <tommorris>	The world is not set up to make you money.
May 07 20:47:50 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  You in favour of  AFGPL communism by the back door?
May 07 20:47:52 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: What if I just wanted to make a minor tweak to something?
May 07 20:47:52 <tommorris>	I'm fucking fed up with everyone going around looking at everything saying "how does this make you money"?
May 07 20:48:01 <Hedgehog456>	Would I have to publish it?
May 07 20:48:13 <tommorris>	My kittens don't make me money. My kittens make me happy. Try it. Happiness is a good thing.
May 07 20:48:27 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: Same for mah puppeh. :)
May 07 20:48:31 <tommorris>	If that makes me an evil Commie, so fucking be it.
May 07 20:48:55 <juxindawoods>	commiemism! inteewebkitteh powa
May 07 20:49:03 <Logan_>	Ironholds: DMacks replied at ANI - he said to take it to RfC.
May 07 20:49:08 <tommorris>	The AGPL prevents certain business models. But so does the GPL. And a good fucking thing too.
May 07 20:49:11 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: It's not until you start goose-stepping that you get called an evil Commie.
May 07 20:49:55 <tommorris>	If the whole world was only about making money, we'd decriminalise murder and have a flourishing hitman-for-hire industry.
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May 07 20:50:08 <juxindawoods>	a little commiemism every now and then is not a bad thing... wouldn't want to found an economic model on it though..
May 07 20:50:09 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  So you want under AFGPL people to be able to figure out from the source code how you encrypt stuff ?
May 07 20:50:28 <Qcoder00>	Which is what you'd have to do if you modified the code to do secure transactions
May 07 20:50:46 <tommorris>	no, your encryption keys are not part of the source code.
May 07 20:51:01 <tommorris>	just as your porn stash is not part of Debian fucking Linux.
May 07 20:51:05 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Oh really?
May 07 20:51:15 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: DON'T INSULT DEBIAN
May 07 20:51:37 <Qcoder00>	I suppose you are right... and any encryption that hard codes keys is inherently insecure... ;)
May 07 20:51:38 <Hedgehog456>	Debian is the core foundation for a new generation of GNU/Linux OSes.
May 07 20:51:50 <tommorris>	I wasn't actually insulting Debian.
May 07 20:51:52 *	tommorris uses Debian
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May 07 20:52:39 <geniice>	anyway does this have any use as an essay? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geni/WW2_sourcing_issues
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May 07 20:53:14 <Hedgehog456>	tommorris: Oh. Sorry. :P
May 07 20:54:01 <Yetanotherx>	Oh look, it's tommorris
May 07 20:54:29 <Yetanotherx>	I can't even remember why I follow you on Twitter, but I guessed it had something to do with Wikipedia. :)
May 07 20:55:40 <tommorris>	Yetanotherx: heh. I should talk about Wikipedia on Twitter more.
May 07 20:55:50 <tommorris>	But when I do, normal people start complaining about all the acronyms
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May 07 20:56:43 <tommorris>	nice, Wiktionary has "fucking" as an infix intensifier: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-fucking-
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May 07 20:57:14 <tommorris>	only two listed English infixes though: -fucking- and -bloody-
May 07 20:58:03 <Qcoder00>	I wonder what Johnson would have made of that
May 07 20:58:42 <Qcoder00>	BTW Any admins awake - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Media_files_requiring_de-merge Backlog building?
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May 07 21:09:53 <Ironholds>	tommorris: Brion is currently rebuilding the whole architecture from scratch
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May 07 21:14:17 <tommorris>	ah, I know why my #if logic isn't working: haven't turned on ParserFunctions ;-)
May 07 21:14:48 *	tommorris suddenly remembers that his wiki is not Wikipedia
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May 07 21:18:14 <Qcoder00>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Outside_of_this.jpg - Thoughts?
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May 07 21:20:33 <MacMed>	Qcoder00: it's an album cover? :P
May 07 21:20:44 <Qcoder00>	Yes
May 07 21:20:49 <Qcoder00>	But it's tagged as FAL
May 07 21:21:18 <MacMed>	uhm
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May 07 21:21:39 <MacMed>	change it and leave a note asking the uploader if they can show where the artist declares it FAL
May 07 21:21:59 <tommorris>	holy fuck, they've just banned the chief drama queen from Citizendium.
May 07 21:22:11 <Logan_>	Larry Sanger?
May 07 21:22:13 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  Whose that?
May 07 21:22:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	no, Larry quit
May 07 21:22:19 <Dragonfly6-7>	quite a while back
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May 07 21:22:49 <Qcoder00>	And whose the chief drama queen on Citizendium anyway?
May 07 21:22:52 <tommorris>	Martin Baldwin-Edwards
May 07 21:22:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	what did he do?
May 07 21:23:03 <tommorris>	I'm not totally sure
May 07 21:23:13 <Dragonfly6-7>	to earn a) the title of CDQ and b) a ban
May 07 21:24:05 <Qcoder00>	Well it's not like they've found someone was secretly paying suvialance teams out of CREP funds is it?
May 07 21:24:17 <Qcoder00>	*survailance
May 07 21:24:25 <tommorris>	all I know is that he once sent an e-mail to a bunch of people saying that I was "trying to spread his ideas". only he forgot I was on the CC line.
May 07 21:24:26 <Dragonfly6-7>	'surveillance'
May 07 21:24:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	... wait, he accused you of trying to help him?
May 07 21:24:48 <Qcoder00>	tommorris:  You are active on Citizendium?
May 07 21:24:54 <tommorris>	occasionally
May 07 21:25:04 <tommorris>	I go there and create stubs when I'm feeling really bored
May 07 21:25:16 <tommorris>	mostly to see if it might prod them into actually doing something
May 07 21:25:19 <Qcoder00>	Looking for stuff to   lif^H^H^H import back into Wikipedia?
May 07 21:25:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	tommorris - MBE  accused you of 'trying to spread MBE's ideas" ?
May 07 21:25:48 <tommorris>	no, of trying to spread my own ideas
May 07 21:26:00 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 07 21:27:11 <tommorris>	he's been indef blocked with reason "Extremely offensive insults or personal attacks; direct and harsh attacks on the moral character, or personal or professional credibility of a project member."
May 07 21:28:06 <Qcoder00>	At least it's only CZ they got blocked from...  I mean getting blocked from CP sends you to hell....
May 07 21:28:06 <juxindawoods>	yeah.. I'l have three of those.
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May 07 21:29:15 <tommorris>	and he's started a thread to moan about it - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki_talk:What_is_going_on_at_Citizendium%3F#Fascism_rules_OK - he's the IP editor
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May 07 21:30:18 <Ironholds>	Logan_: ANI. Comment on it!
May 07 21:30:26 <Ironholds>	tommorris, your input as an outsider would also be appreciated
May 07 21:30:56 <tommorris>	the same one as earlier
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May 07 21:32:00 <tommorris>	Ironholds: is it going to go to RfC? seems rather pointless. just some ANI bollocking and a "I won't do it again Mr Ironholds" would be fine rather than an RfC
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May 07 21:32:46 <tommorris>	or indeed a few months of not doing newpages/CSD
May 07 21:32:48 <Dragonfly6-7>	well, Citizendium *does* have horrible problems
May 07 21:32:58 <Logan_>	tommorris: he should be desysopped
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May 07 21:33:31 <MacMed>	Logan_: good thing we have an efficient process to take the bit away!
May 07 21:33:44 <Logan_>	maybe transfer it to me ;)
May 07 21:33:52 <MacMed>	heheh
May 07 21:33:57 <tommorris>	Dragonfly6-7: imho, they've just fixed the biggest one.
May 07 21:34:24 <Dragonfly6-7>	oh, and Ironholds - when you notoified me that there was an AN/I mess involving me, it made me nervous.
May 07 21:34:30 <Dragonfly6-7>	"what the fuck is someone bitching about NOW"
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May 07 21:40:00 <Ironholds>	heh
May 07 21:41:03 <Peter-C>	OMG Ironholds
May 07 21:41:06 *	Peter-C glomps Ironholds
May 07 21:41:07 <Peter-C>	RAGE
May 07 21:41:34 <Ironholds>	whee, my kindle arrives on monday
May 07 21:41:36 <Ironholds>	hey, Peter-C
May 07 21:41:36 <tommorris>	Ironholds: not sure how I can participate in the ANI thread until UtherSRG responds
May 07 21:41:43 <tommorris>	Ironholds: you getting the 3G one?
May 07 21:41:46 <MacMed>	Ironholds: i love my kindle
May 07 21:41:46 <Ironholds>	tommorris: in which case nobody will ever respond ;p
May 07 21:41:48 <Ironholds>	yeah, of course
May 07 21:42:06 <Peter-C>	I'm ordering my Kindle on Monday :O
May 07 21:42:10 <Ironholds>	MacMed: I was all "fuck buying it, I am not some hips- wait, you mean I could get the ENTIRE WORKS OF KANT, SCHOPENHAUER AND ALL THE RUSSIAN GREATS FOR FREE?!"
May 07 21:42:24 <Ironholds>	also I realised it meant I could save money on buying books I use to write WP articles
May 07 21:42:36 <MacMed>	books are SO cheap
May 07 21:42:37 <tommorris>	I'm quite angry. I've got a Chinese e-book knockoff that I bought ages ago and it cost me more than the 3G kindles do
May 07 21:42:50 <Ironholds>	and I realised that when you have to weigh "I want this book" against "I have no more room in my house for bookcases", something has to change
May 07 21:42:51 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 07 21:43:06 <Ironholds>	I have WP books stacked three-deep and two-high
May 07 21:43:16 <Ironholds>	and even then I'm doing the ol' "horizontal balancing" act on some
May 07 21:43:18 <Peter-C>	meters?
May 07 21:43:24 <Ironholds>	..sure
May 07 21:43:42 <Peter-C>	Dude. I need to show pic of my dads library.
May 07 21:43:57 <Peter-C>	He gave up on bookshelves years ago
May 07 21:44:15 <Ironholds>	get meh pictcha
May 07 21:44:15 <Logan_>	Ironholds: are you getting the "We're selling enough Kindles, so we may as well sell more by putting ads on them and cutting $50 off the price?" one?
May 07 21:44:29 <Ironholds>	Logan_: nope. the latest, swanky, 3G one
May 07 21:44:29 <tommorris>	ads?
May 07 21:44:37 <Ironholds>	cost me 150 quid, I think
May 07 21:44:55 <Addihockey10>	Should I get the iPhone 4 or iPhone 5?
May 07 21:45:03 <tommorris>	I'd wait for the iPhone 7
May 07 21:45:08 <Addihockey10>	>_>
May 07 21:45:09 <Logan_>	^
May 07 21:45:16 <Ironholds>	Addihockey10: get the 4
May 07 21:45:20 <Logan_>	I heard that it has Steve Jobs's face on it
May 07 21:45:23 <Ironholds>	the 5's release date has been pushed back
May 07 21:45:24 <Logan_>	makes it all the more appealing
May 07 21:45:27 <Ironholds>	also, the 4 is AWESOME
May 07 21:45:30 <Logan_>	no it's not
May 07 21:45:33 <Logan_>	it's a piece of crap
May 07 21:45:37 <Ironholds>	...take that back
May 07 21:45:37 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: If I wanted to get it for not 800$
May 07 21:45:39 <Logan_>	Android FTW
May 07 21:45:43 <MacMed>	Ironholds: when is 5 supposed to come out
May 07 21:45:48 <MacMed>	Logan_: blackberry
May 07 21:45:51 <Logan_>	MacMed: no
May 07 21:45:54 <MacMed>	heh
May 07 21:45:58 <Logan_>	their OS is severely outdated
May 07 21:46:00 <MacMed>	me want iphone though
May 07 21:46:04 <MacMed>	oh its awful
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May 07 21:46:05 <Addihockey10>	I'd have to wait until Septemberish 2012 to get it for around 100$
May 07 21:46:08 <Logan_>	and iOS is awful
May 07 21:46:10 <Ironholds>	MacMed: it WAS june, then they pushed it to September, and then a week ago the latest HOLY SHIT, APPLE'S CHINESE WORKERS ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS scandal came out
May 07 21:46:18 <Addihockey10>	No...
May 07 21:46:28 <tommorris>	cue Android vs. iOS dick-waving contest, a stupidity-fest even less interesting than desktop OS dick-waving contests.
May 07 21:46:29 <MacMed>	***ALL CHINESE WORKERS ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS
May 07 21:46:31 <Ironholds>	Addihockey10: I'd either get the 4 now, or get the 4 when the 5 comes out (it'll be dirt-cheap)
May 07 21:46:35 <Logan_>	tommorris: heh
May 07 21:46:40 <Ironholds>	tommorris: may I give my perspective and then shut up
May 07 21:46:52 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: All of the sony cameras that were produced for the iPhone 5 were destroyed in the Japan tsunami
May 07 21:46:58 <Addihockey10>	That's why they're pushed back...
May 07 21:47:07 <Logan_>	Addihockey10: along with Apple
May 07 21:47:09 <Addihockey10>	and earthquake...
May 07 21:47:19 <Logan_>	(I wish)
May 07 21:47:31 *	tommorris is thinking about learning to code for Android as he knows Java and can't be fucked with Objective-C.
May 07 21:47:38 <Addihockey10>	I have to wait until September 2012 to get the carrier discount price...;
May 07 21:47:47 <Ironholds>	I do not care which is better. I have an iphone. I like my iphone. It does all the things I want a phone to do. I do not have an Android, and therefore do not care (a) what it can do or (b) whether it's better than the iphone. If you wish to give me a free Android so I can compare, be my fucking guest.
May 07 21:47:49 <Logan_>	tommorris: yes, do it
May 07 21:47:58 <Logan_>	Ironholds: okay, I respect that
May 07 21:48:03 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: I have no ide
May 07 21:48:05 <Addihockey10>	idea
May 07 21:48:06 <Logan_>	but you don't know what you're missing out on
May 07 21:48:07 <Addihockey10>	but...
May 07 21:48:10 *	tommorris would like a free Android phone for testing.
May 07 21:48:20 *	tommorris should probably blackmail a Google employee for a Nexus
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May 07 21:48:28 <Addihockey10>	I think it's possible there could be a Android tweak on cydia? I have no idea though
May 07 21:48:29 <Ironholds>	Logan_: nor do starving african children know what caviar tastes like, but telling them that is hardly helpful
May 07 21:48:31 <Logan_>	tommorris: what's your address? :P
May 07 21:48:40 <tommorris>	Logan_: you serious? ;-)
May 07 21:48:42 <Logan_>	just kidding, I only have two
May 07 21:48:47 <Ironholds>	Logan_: put it this way. Lets say I have a brand new BMW and you have a slightly-older-than-brand-new BMW.
May 07 21:49:11 <Logan_>	ok, following
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May 07 21:49:13 <Ironholds>	why the fuck should you care that my BMW is shinier if yours still gets you places, fast?
May 07 21:49:24 <Ironholds>	particularly since my iphone was free. your android was not.
May 07 21:49:34 <Ironholds>	I therefore win all dick-waving "IT'S MORE EFFICIENT" contests.
May 07 21:49:44 <Logan_>	I could've gotten my phone for $0.01
May 07 21:49:53 <Logan_>	but I wanted it immediately, so I got it in the store for $99 :P
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May 07 21:50:01 *	Logan_ fails at impatience
May 07 21:50:10 <Ironholds>	I can phone people. I can use t'internet. I can play games, convert units, find my way around a town and use the vibrate function as a back massager. I can even use it to play music.
May 07 21:50:31 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - Where do you want the pic?
May 07 21:50:31 <Logan_>	oh, and how's the call quality?
May 07 21:50:39 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: email em?
May 07 21:50:43 <Ironholds>	Logan_: perfectly fine, thanks
May 07 21:50:53 <Peter-C>	Give me your email bitch
May 07 21:50:53 <Logan_>	I tested an iPhone 4 on Verizon in the US
May 07 21:51:00 <Logan_>	so much static...
May 07 21:51:07 <Ironholds>	as far as I'm concerned, the only distinction worth noting between the iPhone and Android is that the iPhone is powered by electricity, while the Android is powered by the self-indulgent smugness of its user.
May 07 21:51:08 <Logan_>	then I tried the Samsung Continuum, an Android phone
May 07 21:51:10 <Logan_>	no static at all
May 07 21:51:14 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: scire.facias@gmail.com
May 07 21:51:17 <Ironholds>	Logan_: fail.
May 07 21:51:20 <Logan_>	being perfectly objective here
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May 07 21:51:29 <Ironholds>	Logan_: just to check, you're neither a statistician nor a lawyer, right?
May 07 21:51:33 <Logan_>	I think that the iPhone 4 is decent (I take back the "crap" comment)
May 07 21:51:36 <Logan_>	but, it fails as a phone
May 07 21:51:42 <Ironholds>	because your last argument had a gaping hole in it
May 07 21:52:01 <Logan_>	so if you're getting an iPhone, you might as well get a phone that has good call quality
May 07 21:52:03 <Ironholds>	let me translate what you just said
May 07 21:52:14 <tommorris>	I do love that. "Unlike all those idiots who are buying the X because it's popular, I'll buy Y because it's not X." Congratu-fucking-lations. Why not buy things because they are good and serve your need rather than to make a counterpoint to some perception of mainstream vs. underdog or whatever.
May 07 21:52:44 <Logan_>	tommorris: I gave the iPhone 4 a chance
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May 07 21:53:01 <Logan_>	I didn't just get Android for the sake of it not being an iPhone
May 07 21:53:07 *	tommorris uses the shitty Sony-Ericsson phone he won in a programming contest a few years ago.
May 07 21:53:14 <Logan_>	I happen to like Android OS a lot more than iOS due to customizability
May 07 21:53:20 *	LauraHale wants an iPhone 4
May 07 21:53:22 <barts1a>	There are better options than the iPhone now
May 07 21:53:39 <tommorris>	I tried the Xoom recently and it's pretty nice.
May 07 21:53:46 <Ironholds>	Logan_: what you just said
May 07 21:53:47 <Ironholds>	"iphones are worse than [phones with operating system] because I tried an iphone and a single of the many phone variants with [operating system] and the call quality on the non iPhone was better, which proves [operating system] rocks, even though I cannot prove (a) that the iOS is the source of the issue or (b) that the same comparison is valid for any other phone with [operating system]"
May 07 21:53:47 <Logan_>	I flashed a modded ROM onto my phone, and now it's so much faster :D
May 07 21:53:48 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - sent
May 07 21:54:21 <Ironholds>	it's like saying "Ironholds is better at arguing than Peter-C. Ironholds is British, Peter-C is american. alyxuk is also British, therefore he will also be better than Peter-C"
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May 07 21:54:25 <Logan_>	Ironholds: meh, I get the logical fallacy, but you see my point
May 07 21:54:41 <Ironholds>	Logan_: that one phone model which happens to have Android running is better than the iPhone? yes
May 07 21:54:47 <Peter-C>	I AM BETTER THAN IRONHOLDS IN EVERY SINGLE WAY
May 07 21:54:49 <Logan_>	multiple Android phones
May 07 21:54:59 <Logan_>	I tried the Droid Incredible, Samsung Continuum, and Samsung Fascinate
May 07 21:55:03 <tommorris>	Peter-C: even genocide?
May 07 21:55:03 <Logan_>	all had better call quality
May 07 21:55:05 <Ironholds>	but quite frankly if you want to take the attitude that having the best of the best is worth arguing over you're merely proving Schopenhaer right
May 07 21:55:28 <Logan_>	that doesn't necessarily connote that Android is better, but it does show that the iPhone 4 has call-quality issues
May 07 21:55:37 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: nice!
May 07 21:55:45 <Peter-C>	My pics?
May 07 21:55:48 <Ironholds>	if I get this SF job, I'm shipping all my books over and filling the place with bookcases
May 07 21:55:49 <Ironholds>	yeah
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May 07 21:55:55 <Peter-C>	:)
May 07 21:56:02 <Logan_>	meh, enough on that topic :P
May 07 21:56:06 <Peter-C>	The pics are shit
May 07 21:56:08 <Peter-C>	The room is small
May 07 21:56:11 <tommorris>	I don't get the smartphone thing. Why do I want this redundant phone thing on my Internet machine? ;-)
May 07 21:56:23 <Peter-C>	I had to cut the top halfs of the bookcases off
May 07 21:56:25 <Peter-C>	:(
May 07 21:56:30 <Logan_>	Ironholds: I'll admit that my phone has sucky battery life, though, compared to the iPhone 4 :P
May 07 21:57:09 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: heh
May 07 21:57:10 <Ironholds>	it's still neat
May 07 21:57:12 <tommorris>	telephony is an legacy layer used to communicate with people who don't understand the benefits of the Internet.
May 07 21:57:23 <tommorris>	s/an/a/g
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May 07 21:57:31 <Ironholds>	tommorris: so is your face
May 07 21:57:43 <derp>	yay
May 07 21:57:48 <Peter-C>	Ironholds - As a lawyer you will be expected to have a lot of books
May 07 21:57:50 <derp>	free insults flying from Ironholds's mouth.
May 07 21:57:54 <Logan_>	derpity derp derp
May 07 21:57:56 <Peter-C>	So keep a lot at your office
May 07 21:58:11 <tommorris>	fuck big law books. stick 'em all on an e-book reader
May 07 21:58:16 <Peter-C>	(the ones you won't read)
May 07 21:58:26 <derp>	They're just there to impress.
May 07 21:58:29 <Peter-C>	^
May 07 21:58:30 <derp>	Howdy Ironholds :)
May 07 21:58:31 <Ironholds>	Peter-C: yeah, two slight problems there
May 07 21:58:37 <Ironholds>	1) I doubt I'm going to go into practise
May 07 21:58:40 <tommorris>	seriously, you want a 900 page torts textbook rather than a big file with a search function?
May 07 21:58:43 <Ironholds>	and 2) I read so many books that's not an issue :p
May 07 21:58:49 <Ironholds>	tommorris: of course!
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May 07 21:58:57 <Peter-C>	tommorris - yes
May 07 21:58:58 <tommorris>	you can smack people upside the head with it
May 07 21:58:59 <Ironholds>	If I didn't have that I'd have to buy an actual doorstop, for gods sakes
May 07 21:59:09 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 07 21:59:10 *	derp huggles Hedgehog456 tightly
May 07 21:59:10 <Ironholds>	anyway, to the shops!
May 07 21:59:15 <derp>	Toodles!
May 07 21:59:15 <derp>	<3
May 07 21:59:19 <Hedgehog456>	Sorry I was gone earlier
May 07 21:59:19 <Peter-C>	Bye :)
May 07 21:59:26 <Hedgehog456>	Bye
May 07 21:59:28 <tommorris>	I have to say, I don't miss large programming manuals at all
May 07 21:59:30 <Peter-C>	I want the textbook, I can mark it up, navigate fast
May 07 21:59:36 *	barts1a is hungry
May 07 21:59:36 *	Hedgehog456 puts on a disguise
May 07 21:59:36 *	derp wonders what kind of abuse he will do to Peter-C
May 07 21:59:38 <Peter-C>	Have exact page numbers
May 07 21:59:42 *	Hedgehog456 is now known as Hedgy|Disguised
May 07 21:59:46 <tommorris>	PDF files have exact page numbers
May 07 21:59:49 <Peter-C>	Not sexual abuse I hope
May 07 21:59:51 <tommorris>	you can markup PDF files
May 07 21:59:51 *	derp feeds barts1a some montreal style smoked meat.
May 07 21:59:58 <Peter-C>	tommorris - but the screens
May 07 22:00:01 <tommorris>	but most importantly, you can Ctrl+F
May 07 22:00:02 <Peter-C>	The text size can be changed
May 07 22:00:09 *	derp gets his baby powder bottle and smears his hands with baby powder.
May 07 22:00:09 *	derp pimpslaps Peter-C.
May 07 22:00:16 <Dragonfly6-7>	Peter-C - you will be subjected to facial [[degloving]]
May 07 22:00:22 <Peter-C>	I like textbooks that are physical and on the internet
May 07 22:00:23 *	barts1a is hungrier now
May 07 22:00:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	and then pushed into a vat of salt
May 07 22:00:35 <Peter-C>	Dragonfly6-7 - I thought degloving was limited to the arm
May 07 22:00:42 <tommorris>	and more importantly, if there's a mistake, the publisher can release a new copy of the PDF file and you download the fucker, rather than covering the thing in sticky notes
May 07 22:00:44 <Peter-C>	Mutilation?
May 07 22:00:48 *	Hedgy|Disguised is now known as Hedgehog456
May 07 22:01:03 <Hedgehog456>	derp: I thought you'd fall for that :P
May 07 22:01:14 <tommorris>	my Java manual has sticky notes with URLs on them pointing to how various bits of code don't work or use deprecated interfaces. really, this is stupid
May 07 22:01:15 <derp>	:P
May 07 22:01:16 <Peter-C>	Ah! You mean avulsion!
May 07 22:01:23 <Peter-C>	You want to avulse my face!
May 07 22:01:26 *	barts1a curses the small iPod touch keyboard
May 07 22:02:05 <derp>	barts1a, jailbroken?
May 07 22:02:32 <barts1a>	Duh
May 07 22:03:30 <barts1a>	Translation: Yes
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May 07 22:05:46 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: You got an iphone for free?
May 07 22:05:48 *	barts1a has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi)
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May 07 22:06:05 <Addihockey10>	Ironholds: Get me one :D we're friends!!
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May 07 22:06:34 *	derp bought a white iPhone today
May 07 22:06:35 <derp>	:P
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May 07 22:06:47 <Hedgehog456>	There are two guards.
May 07 22:06:54 <Hedgehog456>	One lies, one tells the truth.
May 07 22:07:01 <derp>	and the third derps.
May 07 22:07:07 *	barts1a really needs to upgrade from the 2nd gen
May 07 22:07:12 <Hedgehog456>	One guards a door that will lead you to life, the other to death.
May 07 22:07:14 <geniice>	tommorris yes but what If I want to cover things with sticky notes?
May 07 22:07:22 <Hedgehog456>	You can ask one of the guards one question.
May 07 22:07:26 <derp>	barts1a, you should :P
May 07 22:07:27 <Hedgehog456>	What is it?
May 07 22:07:32 <geniice>	<Hedgehog456 ask one guard what the over guard will say
May 07 22:07:45 *	Hedgehog456 applauds geniice 
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May 07 22:07:46 <derp>	Are you telling the truth to the guard that lie
May 07 22:07:59 *	barts1a doesn't have the money
May 07 22:08:11 <derp>	Who wants a cherry cola?
May 07 22:08:16 *	Barras is now known as Ranon
May 07 22:08:18 <Addihockey10>	derp: Me
May 07 22:08:20 <Addihockey10>	I was first
May 07 22:08:22 <Addihockey10>	I get it.
May 07 22:08:28 *	derp gives barts1a a job
May 07 22:08:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	"Given that I'm holding a gun to your head and you're walking through that door ahead of me, which door do YOU PERSONALLY choose?
May 07 22:08:44 <Qcoder00>	Hedgehog456: Don't get me started about guardian puzzles
May 07 22:09:16 *	barts1a is probably going to be working soon
May 07 22:10:15 <barts1a>	Patterson's Securities. Good entry-level workplace
May 07 22:10:27 *	Dragonfly6-7 remembers the guardian puzzle from [[Kingdom of Loathing]]
May 07 22:10:51 <Dragonfly6-7>	one guard always tells the truth, one guard always lies, one guard alternates between telling the truth and lying, and one guard craves the taste of human flesh.
May 07 22:11:23 *	barts1a avoids thec4th
May 07 22:11:37 <barts1a>	*the 4th
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May 07 22:12:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - oh, and you don't get to ask them. Instead, you have to hide in the background and listen to them talk amongst themselves about what's behind each door.
May 07 22:12:57 <Dragonfly6-7>	and abotu each other's reliability
May 07 22:13:08 <Dragonfly6-7>	"You're lying." "No, YOU'RE lying." "Graaaaaaargh."
May 07 22:13:08 <barts1a>	hmm...
May 07 22:13:36 <barts1a>	Are they all guarding a door?
May 07 22:14:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	they're sitting around a table playing bridge. The doors are in the background.
May 07 22:14:07 <Dragonfly6-7>	and the doors are numbered
May 07 22:14:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	and they're referring to the doors by their numbers
May 07 22:14:54 <barts1a>	Tricky...
May 07 22:15:23 <Dragonfly6-7>	Intensely so, yes
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May 07 22:15:39 <Randomguy76>	I forgot my last nick # so I changed to this one
May 07 22:16:54 *	barts1a derps and picks door 3
May 07 22:16:54 *	derp barts1as and picks door 3
May 07 22:17:02 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - ah, here's the puzzle. It's not picking a door, it's figuring out the 4-digit combination.
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May 07 22:17:14 <Logan_>	4921
May 07 22:17:22 <barts1a>	derp: is that automated?
May 07 22:17:29 <derp>	no :)
May 07 22:17:59 <Dragonfly6-7>	http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Deciphering_the_Door_Code
May 07 22:18:01 <barts1a>	It's damn quick eitherway
May 07 22:18:18 *	derp has psychic powers.
May 07 22:18:23 *	Dragonfly6-7 decapitates derp eth 3498ge w3698 7 agf0 unterdernlinderw
May 07 22:18:24 *	derp decapitates Dragonfly6-7 eth 3498ge w3698 7 agf0 unterdernlinderw
May 07 22:18:36 <Dragonfly6-7>	derp, turn that script off. Now.
May 07 22:18:44 *	barts1a calls derp an idiot
May 07 22:18:44 *	derp calls barts1a an idiot
May 07 22:19:06 <Dragonfly6-7>	barts1a - don't egg him on.
May 07 22:19:34 <barts1a>	It's fun! :P
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May 07 22:20:14 *	barts1a gives derp a cookie
May 07 22:20:27 *	derp gives barts1a a toilet.
May 07 22:20:39 *	tommorris is doing some basic Objective C exercises despite being frickin' knackered.
May 07 22:21:02 *	barts1a demands a refund after blocking it
May 07 22:21:03 <derp>	tommorris, for what?
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May 07 22:21:09 <Shirik>	ew
May 07 22:21:11 <Shirik>	objective c?
May 07 22:21:17 *	derp is quite good at objective c
May 07 22:21:18 <Shirik>	there's only one reason someone would write that shit
May 07 22:21:25 <Shirik>	and that's to write software for a shitty phone
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May 07 22:21:33 <tommorris>	christ, not another Android fanboy
May 07 22:21:39 <Shirik>	I do not have an android
May 07 22:21:45 <derp>	Shirik, i'm a iOS devloper :P
May 07 22:21:46 <Shirik>	but I despise apple as a whole
May 07 22:22:14 <tommorris>	feel free to give me a twenty-minute lecture about how I'm a deluded Satanist who hates freedom
May 07 22:22:28 *	barts1a hates apple for the walled iOS garden
May 07 22:22:28 <derp>	tommorris, you want to devlop a iOS app?
May 07 22:22:28 <Shirik>	No need, there's thousands of websites and blog posts about that
May 07 22:22:29 <tommorris>	I haven't heard it fifty times already
May 07 22:22:36 <tommorris>	derp: maybe
May 07 22:22:39 <Shirik>	(14:21:58) * barts1a hates apple for the walled iOS garden
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May 07 22:22:58 *	derp has 4 apps that are released to the canadian market only.
May 07 22:23:01 <tommorris>	yes, because before Apple came along, mobile operating systems were all about peace and love and happiness
May 07 22:23:11 <tommorris>	and nobody controlled anthing.
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May 07 22:23:21 <tommorris>	it was as open as GNU/Linux.
May 07 22:23:21 <Shirik>	no, but what they WEREN'T about is letting people make things and then get told "oh lol actually no gtfo"
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May 07 22:23:37 <tommorris>	SERIOUSLY?
May 07 22:23:39 <barts1a>	I haven't had coffee yet...
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May 07 22:23:51 <tommorris>	do you have ANY fucking clue about the mobile industry?
May 07 22:23:56 <Shirik>	You're acting like the iphone was the first phone to have apps
May 07 22:24:03 <tommorris>	no, I've built J2ME apps
May 07 22:24:11 <Shirik>	Blackberry beat them out years ago
May 07 22:24:18 <derp>	tommorris, i have recevied several iOS 5 bug reports...
May 07 22:24:23 <barts1a>	tommorris: Why do ppl jailbreak iOS?
May 07 22:24:41 <tommorris>	and I know how fucking shit it is to have seventeen different implementations of J2ME that are all uniquely broken in their own ways, and screwed to all hell by the operators.
May 07 22:24:47 *	derp is also thinking of doing a jailbreak app too...
May 07 22:24:50 <Shirik>	oh so wait
May 07 22:24:53 <Shirik>	hang on
May 07 22:25:06 <Shirik>	the solution to the 500 different implementations of J2ME is to have an API that only works on one phone?
May 07 22:25:15 <tommorris>	Let me spell this out:
May 07 22:25:16 <tommorris>	I
May 07 22:25:17 <tommorris>	don't
May 07 22:25:19 <tommorris>	care.
May 07 22:25:26 <barts1a>	derp: Good luck finding a JB exploit
May 07 22:25:31 <tommorris>	I deal with reality, not Richard Stallman's fantasy land.
May 07 22:25:55 *	derp is now known as BubblesDevere
May 07 22:25:56 <tommorris>	If I want to write Windows software, I have to use different APIs than if I'm writing for GNOME or OS X or fucking server-side.
May 07 22:26:21 <tommorris>	Different platforms have different APIs. I don't have to like it, I live with it.
May 07 22:26:45 <tommorris>	Feel free to go cry about it on your blog while I get the fuck on with my life.
May 07 22:26:53 *	BubblesDevere is now known as derp
May 07 22:27:02 <Qcoder00>	You think GNOME has a single consistent API  between versions?
May 07 22:27:04 <Qcoder00>	;)
May 07 22:27:08 <Shirik>	You... think I'm crying?
May 07 22:27:10 <Shirik>	Seriously?
May 07 22:27:15 <Shirik>	I haven't even said anything bad about the iphone
May 07 22:27:22 <barts1a>	It's still better than having to use machine code to program
May 07 22:27:23 <Shirik>	And I'm still debating over whether or not I want one
May 07 22:27:43 <tommorris>	I'm pre-empting "you hate freedom!" bullshit. I don't care.
May 07 22:27:56 <Shirik>	No you're just spouting off useless facts
May 07 22:28:04 <Shirik>	Though that's fairly typical of an apple fanboy, I've gotten used to it
May 07 22:28:17 <barts1a>	^
May 07 22:28:29 <tommorris>	I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm just a pragmatist.
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May 07 22:29:46 <Dragonfly6-7>	Shirik - I doubt tommorris actually thought you were lachrymating
May 07 22:30:11 <Shirik>	I'm not sure what a lachry is but I'm pretty sure I don't want to mate with one
May 07 22:30:44 *	barts1a facepalms
May 07 22:30:48 <Shirik>	:P
May 07 22:30:50 <Shirik>	I looked it up
May 07 22:31:10 <LauraHale>	I'm not an apple fangirl but I'd like an iPhone 4.
May 07 22:31:27 <LauraHale>	I have the chance to use a nice Mac laptop but hesitant to do so because I like my Windows laptop
May 07 22:31:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	Anyone here have Pubmed access?
May 07 22:31:53 <LauraHale>	Maybe.  Haven't seen what my uni offers that way.
May 07 22:32:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	LauraHale - hold on, I'll give you the URL
May 07 22:32:16 <Shirik>	I like the prospect of using the new C++ api android is offering
May 07 22:32:22 *	barts1a wants an iPhone; but only if someone else pays for it
May 07 22:32:38 <Dragonfly6-7>	I have a dead Frankenmacon by my bookcase, waiting for its hard drive to be drained
May 07 22:32:42 <Shirik>	psh my company is paying for it
May 07 22:32:47 <Shirik>	I just have to decide what they're paying for
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May 07 22:33:38 *	barts1a also wants a PS3 once the network is back up
May 07 22:33:56 <Shirik>	interesting tweet I saw the day after osama was killed
May 07 22:34:08 <Shirik>	"Osama bin Laden is dead: Amazing what the americans can do when the PSN is down."
May 07 22:34:28 <barts1a>	LOL! I saw that too
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May 07 22:35:23 <Qcoder00>	ROFL....  Can't play Halo on-line.....
May 07 22:35:38 <Qcoder00>	etc...
May 07 22:35:47 <barts1a>	Halo is xbox
May 07 22:35:52 <Dragonfly6-7>	apparently Osama hadn't left that room for five years
May 07 22:36:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	which is horrific
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May 07 22:36:49 <Shirik>	to be honest, with all the searching around the borders we've been doing, I wouldn't be surprised
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May 07 22:36:55 <Shirik>	that's what I would have done
May 07 22:36:59 <Shirik>	safest place to be
May 07 22:37:27 <barts1a>	Until SEALS turn up
May 07 22:37:29 <Dragonfly6-7>	not 'hadn't left the house"
May 07 22:37:31 <Ironholds>	agh
May 07 22:37:31 <Dragonfly6-7>	"hadn't left the ROOM"
May 07 22:37:36 <Shirik>	room?
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May 07 22:37:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	room.
May 07 22:37:41 <Ironholds>	my housemate just wandered out of his room buck naked
May 07 22:37:44 <Shirik>	strange man
May 07 22:37:53 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - aren't your housemates mostly toddlers?
May 07 22:38:02 <Ironholds>	one of the adult ones
May 07 22:38:03 <Ironholds>	"don't scream, it's no more than you'd see if we were skinnydipping"
May 07 22:38:04 <barts1a>	0_0
May 07 22:38:10 <Dragonfly6-7>	bleh
May 07 22:38:14 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds -  do you have Pubmed access?
May 07 22:38:27 <Ironholds>	"mate, if we were skinny dipping, your body would be hidden by all the japanese men running around with harpoons screaming 'RESEARCH PURPOSES! RESEARCH PURPOSES!'"
May 07 22:38:29 <Ironholds>	and n
May 07 22:38:30 <Ironholds>	*o
May 07 22:38:41 <barts1a>	LOL
May 07 22:39:58 <Ironholds>	it is funny because he is fat
May 07 22:41:11 <barts1a>	gaben fat or just fat?
May 07 22:41:31 <Ironholds>	gaben?
May 07 22:41:41 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Gaben]], I would assume
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May 07 22:41:59 <barts1a>	the meme...
May 07 22:42:01 <Dragonfly6-7>	ah
May 07 22:42:04 <Dragonfly6-7>	[[Gabe Newell]]
May 07 22:42:49 <barts1a>	gaben fat jokes are popular on the steam forums
May 07 22:42:58 <Dragonfly6-7>	are we on the steam forums?
May 07 22:43:01 *	Dragonfly6-7 checks
May 07 22:43:05 <Dragonfly6-7>	hmmm
May 07 22:43:11 <Dragonfly6-7>	topic seems to be about Wikipedia
May 07 22:43:18 <Dragonfly6-7>	and this seems to be an IRC client
May 07 22:43:27 <barts1a>	We ARE in Sparta...
May 07 22:43:34 <Dragonfly6-7>	no, actually, we're not.
May 07 22:43:39 <Dragonfly6-7>	conclusion:
May 07 22:43:56 <Dragonfly6-7>	we're not in the steam forums, and therefore jokes about Gabe Newell's obesity are not popular here
May 07 22:44:12 <Dragonfly6-7>	Corollary: you have dishonored your name. I recommend hara-kiri.
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May 07 22:44:52 <barts1a>	Hey; what's that above your head? Oh; it's the joke
May 07 22:45:15 <Dragonfly6-7>	yes, but you see - jokes are typically what is called "funny".
May 07 22:45:25 <Dragonfly6-7>	so it was an easy mistake on my part.
May 07 22:45:32 <Hedgehog456>	:D
May 07 22:45:36 *	barts1a facepalms
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May 07 22:46:38 *	barts1a  
May 07 22:46:48 *	derp slaps Hedgehog456 with some bacon slabs.
May 07 22:46:55 *	Hedgehog456 huggles derp tightly
May 07 22:47:16 *	derp showers Hedgehog456 with smiles ☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺☻☺
May 07 22:47:29 *	barts1a wonders if you can get a LIDAR for civilian use
May 07 22:47:49 <derp>	you can actually.
May 07 22:48:07 <barts1a>	Really?
May 07 22:48:19 <Shirik>	I wouldn't be surprised
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May 07 22:49:19 *	LauraHale eats all the bacon on offer
May 07 22:49:32 *	LauraHale huggles Hedgehog456 and derp and Fluff|away
May 07 22:49:50 <derp>	www.sick.com
May 07 22:49:53 *	Hedgehog456 huggles LauraHale 
May 07 22:49:54 *	derp huggles LauraHale
May 07 22:49:54 <LauraHale>	No.
May 07 22:49:58 <LauraHale>	:D
May 07 22:51:53 *	Peter-C gropes LauraHale
May 07 22:51:54 *	Peter-C runs
May 07 22:52:03 <Gfoley4>	bad boy
May 07 22:52:07 *	LauraHale glomps Peter-C
May 07 22:52:10 *	Peter-C tosses Kinsey's toothbrush at LauraHale
May 07 22:52:20 *	LauraHale sits on Peter-C  and reads the Bonked book outloud.
May 07 22:52:26 <Peter-C>	:D
May 07 22:52:26 *	LauraHale shudders and hides
May 07 22:52:31 <Peter-C>	Say it slow and sexy! :D
May 07 22:52:33 <Peter-C>	:(
May 07 22:52:33 *	LauraHale torches the toothbrush
May 07 22:52:51 *	Peter-C thinks the room smells like burning ass now
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May 07 22:53:00 *	LauraHale slowly says: When your nose is stuffed, it is exactly like a man having an erection.
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May 07 22:53:49 <Ironholds>	...
May 07 22:53:52 <Ironholds>	are you ALL INSANE?
May 07 22:54:03 <Ironholds>	and FYI, my nose looks nothing like an erection
May 07 22:54:06 <Ironholds>	there are no cocks big enough
May 07 22:54:25 <Peter-C>	O_o
May 07 22:54:36 <LauraHale>	Your nose has smooth muscle tissue that fills with fluid.
May 07 22:54:41 <Peter-C>	^
May 07 22:54:46 <James_F>	Ironholds> I'd ask for how much of a sample you have, but sure. :-)
May 07 22:54:47 <LauraHale>	That's like your erection.
May 07 22:55:01 <derp>	LauraHale, i had a septoplasty in early october last year.
May 07 22:55:01 <Ironholds>	James_F: about fifteen inches
May 07 22:55:03 <Ironholds>	oh, you meant COCKS?
May 07 22:55:12 *	LauraHale huggles derp
May 07 22:55:19 <Ironholds>	despite philippe's insistence, very little
May 07 22:55:23 <James_F>	Ironholds> How wide a sample. Forgive my terseness and thus imprecision.
May 07 22:55:24 *	Peter-C huggles LauraHale and derp
May 07 22:55:25 <LauraHale>	cocks are male chickens right?
May 07 22:55:29 <derp>	yes
May 07 22:55:32 <LauraHale>	Poor derp nose. :(
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May 07 22:55:33 <derp>	see my huge cock.
May 07 22:55:34 <Ironholds>	James_F: I forgive nothing!
May 07 22:55:38 <derp>	LauraHale, i'm ok :)
May 07 22:55:40 <James_F>	Clearly.
May 07 22:55:47 <Ironholds>	derp: what a massive male chicken you have there
May 07 22:55:48 <derp>	hey James_F :)
May 07 22:55:49 <James_F>	Ironholds> You coming to the meetup tomorrow?
May 07 22:55:51 <Peter-C>	derp has a very nice cock
May 07 22:55:52 <Ironholds>	James_F: naw
May 07 22:55:55 <James_F>	Bother.
May 07 22:55:56 <Peter-C>	it must be hard to control
May 07 22:56:05 <derp>	thank you Peter-C and Ironholds
May 07 22:56:07 <Peter-C>	how do you fit it in its cage?
May 07 22:56:07 <Ironholds>	James_F: why bother?
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May 07 22:56:21 *	derp chuckles at these innuendos.
May 07 22:57:04 <derp>	Peter-C, one smooth motion.
May 07 22:57:54 <Ironholds>	James_F: I sort of decided that the recent american extravaganza has probably exhausted my supply of "being belittled and kicked in the self-esteem"; I need some time away from deprecating british bastards to recover
May 07 22:58:05 <Ironholds>	so I've surrounded myself with bristolians instead
May 07 22:58:07 <Ironholds>	much better
May 07 22:58:16 <James_F>	Ironholds> Drat. Wanted to run something by you.
May 07 22:58:30 <Ironholds>	WP, politics or law related?
May 07 22:58:36 <James_F>	The first.
May 07 22:58:37 <derp>	Ironholds, when the next time you come back to Canada?
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May 07 22:58:43 <Hedgehog456>	Peter-C: with elegance, grace and experience
May 07 22:58:47 <Ironholds>	James_F: PM it to me or drop me an email, then
May 07 22:58:53 <Ironholds>	derp: never. ever ever ever.
May 07 22:58:57 <Ironholds>	it was incredibly cold and drab
May 07 22:59:03 <Ironholds>	mind you, I was at about 13,000 feet, so.
May 07 22:59:12 <derp>	heh
May 07 22:59:18 <derp>	say i got a question
May 07 22:59:26 <derp>	in your college schools, is there a philosophy class?
May 07 22:59:45 <Ironholds>	university, and yes, many
May 07 22:59:47 <Ironholds>	I went to a few
May 07 23:00:09 <Ironholds>	taught by a guy who, now that I think about it, looks a helluva lot like Greg Maxwell
May 07 23:00:23 <Ironholds>	I wonder if he has a British brother from another mother. Well, other than James_F
May 07 23:00:28 <Dragonfly6-7>	Ironholds - incidentally, the harpooning *is* for research purposes.
May 07 23:00:35 <Dragonfly6-7>	how else are you supposed to find out how many whales you can kill in a day?
May 07 23:00:41 *	James_F laughs.
May 07 23:00:43 <derp>	Ironholds, philosophy is a required series of classes in college here.
May 07 23:00:48 <derp>	there are 3
May 07 23:01:18 <Ironholds>	derp: do any of them attempt to answer the question "if god loves us, why did he put us in fucking canada"?
May 07 23:01:43 <derp>	lolno
May 07 23:01:43 <Dragonfly6-7>	"because the nazis never held power here"
May 07 23:01:47 <Ironholds>	substitute for "give us celine dion" "allow Harper's birth"
May 07 23:02:05 <Ironholds>	James_F: anyway, just email me or shove it in PM
May 07 23:02:21 <James_F>	Ironholds> How would I find out if an Aussie was a QC?
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May 07 23:04:42 <Ironholds>	James_F: their court transcripts
May 07 23:04:51 <Ironholds>	the australian high court sits in a special session to formally appoint QCs
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May 07 23:05:02 <Ironholds>	so the names are listed each time, by both year and day of appointment
May 07 23:05:24 <Ironholds>	see http://portsea.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HCATrans/2006/1.html for example
May 07 23:06:08 <Ironholds>	it's normally done bang on the dot at the end of January, and if you go to that site you can see every list of appointments by year (or just, y'know, search)
May 07 23:07:09 <Ironholds>	James_F: useful? ;p
May 07 23:07:45 <James_F>	Very.
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May 07 23:08:00 <Thehelpfulone>	is there an admin script for TFD?
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May 07 23:24:04 <Gfoley4>	Thehelpfulone: no, you must do it yourself =)
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May 07 23:30:55 <LauraHale>	http://i.imgur.com/ge9nj.png  Important image
May 07 23:32:22 <Gfoley4>	oiooh, the derby
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May 07 23:35:45 <James_F>	Hey SJ.
May 07 23:35:57 <Ironholds>	LauraHale: haha
May 07 23:36:06 <LauraHale>	:)
May 07 23:36:23 <LauraHale>	Ironholds: http://cfai.info/ is the site
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May 07 23:48:23 <Gfoley4>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recent_deaths&diff=prev&oldid=427986517 :D
May 07 23:48:46 <Fumika>	Hai Leonard^Bloom
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May 07 23:49:18 <Fumika>	Nice :P
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May 07 23:49:29 <MacMed>	Gfoley4: fancy
May 07 23:49:31 *	derp showers Gfoley4 with ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
May 07 23:49:54 <Gfoley4>	:D
May 07 23:53:38 <_sj_>	hi jamesf!  and ironholds, laura, all
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May 07 23:57:06 <James_F>	_sj_> And with that, I'm off. :-)
May 07 23:57:12 *	James_F waves.
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