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JA: But let us put the definition of drama aside for now. You are trying to reduce the bardic and dramatic arts to a kind of Accidental Stage Setting (ASS). And that is nothing short of absurd. It is true that people can learn from a climactic absurdity, but what they must learn is the absurdity of the collective premiss. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 02:46, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
JA: But let us put the definition of drama aside for now. You are trying to reduce the bardic and dramatic arts to a kind of Accidental Stage Setting (ASS). And that is nothing short of absurd. It is true that people can learn from a climactic absurdity, but what they must learn is the absurdity of the collective premiss. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 02:46, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
BK: I don't think we are all that far apart, Jon. I've been thinking about the use of dramaturgy in education for many years now, and I've been following the snail's pace at which the game culture has incorporated dramaturgy into the design of games. What I noticed about WMF sites is that, while Jimbo did not intentionally set out to craft a post-modern theater of the absurd, that's what WP and sister sites have evolved to become. A secondary question is what (if anything) the participants in Jimbo's Masquerade Ball are learning through their participation in that happenstantial psychodrama stage. [[User:Moulton|Moulton]] 10:35, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
JA: If all you mean by "drama" is something like "the affective element in education and inquiry", then that has been a factor in my studies for as long as I can remember, but I think it would be a whole lot clearer just to say the latter. I have participated in the mystiques of enough psychodrama and street theater to know the agonies, the thrills, and the uses thereof, but I do not call that Drama in a literal literary sense.
JA: It is possible to learn from almost any experience that we undergo — adverse, artful, or otherwise — but we have to be capable of reflecting on the experience to the point where we can extract the lesson, and that is a step beyond mere mystified participation in absurdity. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 11:18, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
BK: What I've been thinking about is the artful construction of a custom-crafted drama optimally designed to [http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Moulton/Caprice midwife an epiphany] of a particular individual at a particular juncture in their lifelong learning journey. I am thinking of stories like Peter Falk as the grandfather reading the story of the ''Princess Bride'' to his grandson, or ''Arabian Nights'' or ''Aesop's Fables'' or the Parables of Jesus or [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9U_d7-V8s4 this ditty by Bing Crosby]. —[[User:Moulton|Moulton]] 12:56, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
JA: I'm not sure I understand all this "Hallo, Jude!" stuff you keep going on about, but it begins to dawn on me that it's you, you, my friend, who are in the grip of some Will To Drama that you'd fain e-body in, oh, let's say, Barry's Intense Drama Engine (BIDE), and that you project this project of yours on your favorite local authoritarian, Jimbo Wales, who knows it not. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 06:08, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
===The 2nd Part of the Discontention===
===The 2nd Part of the Discontention===
====Points for Expansion====
====Points for Expansion====
==Future use of this page==
JA: I am out of time for pursuing this right now, but one of the points that we need to probe a little further has to do with the ''function'' of blocking and banning within the cult(ure) in question. Words like ''alienation'', ''excommunication'', ''exile'', ''scapegoating'', and ''shunning'' have been used in the past. What is really going on is not any form of physical transportation, but a filtering out of messages from identifiable sources, a form of "killing the message", if not exactly the messenger. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 07:50, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
JA: There really are such things as noise, spam, and vandalism, and so there are legitimate reasons for filtering and ignoring certain classes of messages. When the functions of filtering and repression become dysfunctional for any error-controlled system, however, is when valid feedback about the system and its environment is habitually being ignored. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 07:50, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
BK: See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder Bill of Attainder], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immurement#In_literature Immurement], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safeword Safeword]. —[[User:Moulton|Moulton]] 13:36, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
==Made Glorious By This Sum Resummed A Fork==
JA: All in the fullness of time … [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 09:14, 14 October 2008 (PDT)
===Dysfunctional Inquiry Programs (DIP's) : Slip Slidin' Away===
I would like to encourage everyone using MyWikiBiz for various discussions to please adhere to a policy of "don't derail pages". You are welcome to have conversations about the origins and ownership of Wikipedia Review, as you are welcome to have conversations about the identity of various cross-dressing British officials. Just have these conversations on their own pages.
JA: The phenomenon that I wish to address under this head is one that I noticed many years ago, one that I observed arising especially acutely in the W(P+R) context, and one that I tried to tackle under numerous heads at ''The Wikipedia Review'', but like every other topic that risks diversion from the WR Soap Opera In Regress Everlasting (WR:SOIRE), all of those inquiries fell like lead balloons on leaden ears.
JA: ''Vide'' [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=17951 Dysfunctional Inquiry Programs (DIP's) : Slip Slidin' Away].
I'm not certain if this is on-topic or not, but I've been [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=20679&view=findpost&p=135577 blocked from Wikipedia Review] for revealing that long-time poster [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showuser=1066 "Heat"] is in fact the dishonest and corrupt Wikipedia adminstrator/sockpuppeteer [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Formeruser-82 "Homeontherange"], a.k.a. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22andy+lehrer%22+socialist&spell=1 Andy Lehrer, Canadian socialist activist:] Wikipedia Review welcomed and protects this inveterate liar solely because he opposes SlimVirgin and Jayjg (diffs forthcoming).
JA: Maybe it was something I said? [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 14:40, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
BK: In my experience, the inquiry process fails when the would-be inquirer departs from rigorous skeptical inquiry by failing to examine all the evidence with a critical eye and by failing to reason in a coherent and scientific manner to valid conclusions and insights. —[[User:Moulton|Moulton]] 15:44, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
<blockquote>
<p>You know the nearer your destination</p>
<p>The more you're slip slidin' away</p>
<p>— Paul Simon
</blockquote>
JA: The particular phenomenon that I'm talking about here occurs when all the right evidence and all the right reasoning lead a person right up to the door of what, by rights, would be the inescapable conclusion, and yet … and yet … the fear of losing a cherished illusion keeps that person from walking through that door. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 19:16, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
BK: Do you mean the inescapable conclusion that there is no hope for ''Homo Schleppians'' or Western Civilization because we lack the critical mass to evolve from a political culture to a scientific one? —[[User:Moulton|Moulton]] 19:59, 15 October 2008 (PDT)
JA: No<font size=7>,</font> I mean that there's very little hope for ''Some People'' until they ¡¡¡ Wake Da Φυκ ↑ !!! [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 03:54, 16 October 2008 (PDT)
BK: Oh. Well [http://www.google.com/search?q=Gurdjieff+Ouspensky Gurdjieff and Ouspensky] pretty much established that most people are sleepwalking their way through life. [[User:Moulton|Moulton]] 07:51, 16 October 2008 (PDT)
==Future use of this page==
I would like to encourage everyone using MyWikiBiz for various discussions to please adhere to a policy of "don't derail pages". You are welcome to have conversations about the origins and ownership of Wikipedia Review, as you are welcome to have conversations about the identity of various cross-dressing British officials. Just have these conversations on their own pages.
As for the future of the "new forum" that we've been discussing, I would like to draw everyone's attention to my current mindset, as [[Criticism_of_crowdsourcing#Announcement|expressed here]]. Thanks, everyone! -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 16:22, 12 October 2008 (PDT)
==Wikipedia - why it needs a warning label==
==Wikipedia - why it needs a warning label==
Third part, I would have a wide open form, "boogie check" no rules less Defamation, Liable. All comers welcome, a thunderdrome of ideas regarding wikipeida so all have say.. from the crazy loon to the highest Ivory tower pigeon.[[User:Joehazelton|Joehazelton]] 15:55, 13 October 2008 (PDT)
Third part, I would have a wide open form, "boogie check" no rules less Defamation, Liable. All comers welcome, a thunderdrome of ideas regarding wikipeida so all have say.. from the crazy loon to the highest Ivory tower pigeon.[[User:Joehazelton|Joehazelton]] 15:55, 13 October 2008 (PDT)
== Whatever happened from this? ==
Maybe I missed it, but 6 years later and I don't see a website created. If you did make one, you certainly didn't tell me, nor did you write it here. I feel a bit upset at not being invited if you did create it. :( [[User:Blissyu2|Blissyu2]] ([[User talk:Blissyu2|talk]]) 13:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
:P.S. I am not completely sure why, but the website I was using for about 10 years mysteriously disappeared. Thankfully it was archived happily, so here is my Criticism of Wikipedia article: https://web.archive.org/web/20130310011711/http://catonine.virtue.nu/thoughts/wikipedia.html [[User:Blissyu2|Blissyu2]] ([[User talk:Blissyu2|talk]]) 13:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
