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{{WaterCoolerPages|Technical|The '''technical''' section of the village pump is used to discuss technical issues about Centiare, including [[Centiare:Semantic tagging|semantic tagging]].}}
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:I hope that this helps answer your question! --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 06:26, 13 January 2007 (PST)
:I hope that this helps answer your question! --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 06:26, 13 January 2007 (PST)
::Sabine is referring to the [[Template:Infobox Company|template]] itself where 'founded' is a required element. As you say, one '''''can still''''' choose whether or not to use a [[Centiare:Semantic_tagging|semantic attribute]] within any of the templates/infoboxes. In this case, founded is required because potential customers typically want to be able to determine the number of years an entity has been in business. I would suggest that Sabine use a general date if a specific date is not available at this time. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 07:14, 13 January 2007 (PST)
::Sabine is referring to the [[Template:Infobox Company|template]] itself where 'founded' is a required element. As you say, one '''''can still''''' choose whether or not to use a [[MyWikiBiz:Semantic_tagging|semantic attribute]] within any of the templates/infoboxes. In this case, founded is required because potential customers typically want to be able to determine the number of years an entity has been in business. I would suggest that Sabine use a general date if a specific date is not available at this time. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 07:14, 13 January 2007 (PST)
:::Whoops, I forgot that in some Infoboxes, certain elements are required, or rather, even in their absence of data the field label will still show up. Yes, it seems that either "living with" the empty appearance of the label, or filling in an estimated date, are the only solutions (other than Centiare modifying the template to not require this field). --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 07:44, 13 January 2007 (PST)
:::Whoops, I forgot that in some Infoboxes, certain elements are required, or rather, even in their absence of data the field label will still show up. Yes, it seems that either "living with" the empty appearance of the label, or filling in an estimated date, are the only solutions (other than Centiare modifying the template to not require this field). --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 07:44, 13 January 2007 (PST)
==Movie Tags==
==Movie Tags==
OK, here's our movie [[Centiare:ACR]] workspace - who wants to start? Let's use just a regular bulleted list until we reach some type of consensus. At that point, I'll create the actual tags, provide definitions/usage policy, and run some demo ASK queries. Once we have a basic standard, then anyone else ever creating movie info can follow the same methods. Check out [[Attribute:Movie Title]] - this will serve as a useful reference point. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 16:54, 13 February 2007 (PST)
OK, here's our movie [[MyWikiBiz:ACR]] workspace - who wants to start? Let's use just a regular bulleted list until we reach some type of consensus. At that point, I'll create the actual tags, provide definitions/usage policy, and run some demo ASK queries. Once we have a basic standard, then anyone else ever creating movie info can follow the same methods. Check out [[Attribute:Movie Title]] - this will serve as a useful reference point. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 16:54, 13 February 2007 (PST)
Some good tags would be
Some good tags would be
:You are correct - only public domain IP belongs in the Main space. Otherwise, it should be treated as a property page of the rightful legal owner. That isn't to say that one can't create an IMDB type of application - it just means that it can only use PD images/information.
:You are correct - only public domain IP belongs in the Main space. Otherwise, it should be treated as a property page of the rightful legal owner. That isn't to say that one can't create an IMDB type of application - it just means that it can only use PD images/information.
:Now, if something is rightly classified as PD Main space (PD/MS), there's nothing you or I can do about it - that's what [[NPOV]] is all about. (And, we can't redirect PD/MS to Directory/User pages either - that's cheating and will be reversed.) However, to offer an olive branch towards various warring factions competing over certain subjects, we've got [[Centiare:Aficionados]].
:Now, if something is rightly classified as PD Main space (PD/MS), there's nothing you or I can do about it - that's what [[NPOV]] is all about. (And, we can't redirect PD/MS to Directory/User pages either - that's cheating and will be reversed.) However, to offer an olive branch towards various warring factions competing over certain subjects, we've got [[MyWikiBiz:Aficionados]].
:In your case, just like [[boxing]], you can tag both a [[Relation:Subject Interest]] & [[Relation:Contributor To]]. In the case of Nosferatu, you could post up a stub in the MS, list your interests as movies, tag your full-on Nosferatu contribution, and you'd have a nice link back to your protected Directory listing(s). [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 11:58, 14 February 2007 (PST)
:In your case, just like [[boxing]], you can tag both a [[Relation:Subject Interest]] & [[Relation:Contributor To]]. In the case of Nosferatu, you could post up a stub in the MS, list your interests as movies, tag your full-on Nosferatu contribution, and you'd have a nice link back to your protected Directory listing(s). [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 11:58, 14 February 2007 (PST)
OMG, as usual, you're completely correct. More correct than you might think, so I guess it's time to spring a little secret: [[Special:Relations|Relations]] can work both ways ie the [[Relation:Inverse|Inverse]] of each other. For example, [[Relation:Capital Of]] is the inverse of [[Relation:Has Capital]], and vice versa.
OMG, as usual, you're completely correct. More correct than you might think, so I guess it's time to spring a little secret: [[Special:Relations|Relations]] can work both ways ie the [[Relation:Inverse|Inverse]] of each other. For example, [[Relation:Capital Of]] is the inverse of [[Relation:Has Capital]], and vice versa.
So far, we haven't really pursued two-way relations because they can be somewhat redundant. Besides, [[Centiare:ASK]] queries can be run at the '''''target''''' pages to produce, in effect, a mirror entry. One-way relations work great when we have a pyramid structure roll-ups, like [[Relation:Page Of]] for books @ [[Directory:KJ Kitchens|KJ Kitchens]] or political subdivisions like [[Relation:State Located In]] at [[Directory:California|California]].
So far, we haven't really pursued two-way relations because they can be somewhat redundant. Besides, [[MyWikiBiz:ASK]] queries can be run at the '''''target''''' pages to produce, in effect, a mirror entry. One-way relations work great when we have a pyramid structure roll-ups, like [[Relation:Page Of]] for books @ [[Directory:KJ Kitchens|KJ Kitchens]] or political subdivisions like [[Relation:State Located In]] at [[Directory:California|California]].
For movies however, we have equal weight between people & movies (more of a 'box-like' structure), so we do need two-way relations like ''Actor In'' at an actor's page and ''Has Actor'' at the movie page. If we don't use inverse relations, then one would need to run an ASK query at either location to get all other relations to that page, BUT they would be dependent on all the information being there. Make sense?
For movies however, we have equal weight between people & movies (more of a 'box-like' structure), so we do need two-way relations like ''Actor In'' at an actor's page and ''Has Actor'' at the movie page. If we don't use inverse relations, then one would need to run an ASK query at either location to get all other relations to that page, BUT they would be dependent on all the information being there. Make sense?
So, IMHO, here's what needs to happen: I went through IMDB and listed all the respective info sections they have for both people & movies. Before I go and create a bunch of semantic tags, I need both of you to understand the technical issues (described above) & get on board with their utilization. I've listed them at [[Centiare:Entertainment Annotation]] in the same order as they appear at IMDB for us to discuss. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 14:18, 14 February 2007 (PST)
So, IMHO, here's what needs to happen: I went through IMDB and listed all the respective info sections they have for both people & movies. Before I go and create a bunch of semantic tags, I need both of you to understand the technical issues (described above) & get on board with their utilization. I've listed them at [[MyWikiBiz:Entertainment Annotation]] in the same order as they appear at IMDB for us to discuss. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 14:18, 14 February 2007 (PST)
==Simple semantic search==
==Simple semantic search==
:Ow, my head hurts - why do you have to ask such hard questions? Why don't we set up a page for Cher and see how it works? We have a basic [[Template:infobox_Person]] and [[Template:infobox_Personal]] (vital stats) for all individuals. You can see an example of the former at [[Directory:Marilyn Monroe]].
:Ow, my head hurts - why do you have to ask such hard questions? Why don't we set up a page for Cher and see how it works? We have a basic [[Template:infobox_Person]] and [[Template:infobox_Personal]] (vital stats) for all individuals. You can see an example of the former at [[Directory:Marilyn Monroe]].
:As to entertainment credits, we had thought about creating a stand-alone infobox for celebrities (to be used in conjunction with the two above), but held off until we had determined the proper hooks. This would be a good time to go through the [[Centiare:Entertainment Annotation|Entertainment Annotation]] tags and see if they are working in a way that will answer your query.
:As to entertainment credits, we had thought about creating a stand-alone infobox for celebrities (to be used in conjunction with the two above), but held off until we had determined the proper hooks. This would be a good time to go through the [[MyWikiBiz:Entertainment Annotation|Entertainment Annotation]] tags and see if they are working in a way that will answer your query.
:If we get that settled, then perhaps we can design/meld some sort of infobox to make the presentation look pretty. Would you like to look around WP a little bit to see what they're using? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 07:54, 17 February 2007 (PST)
:If we get that settled, then perhaps we can design/meld some sort of infobox to make the presentation look pretty. Would you like to look around WP a little bit to see what they're using? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 07:54, 17 February 2007 (PST)
:::Excellent points. I just created [[Attribute:Common_Name]] & [[Attribute:Scientific_Name]]. You can follow the links to the some of the placeholder data. OMG should be able to search for all information related to [[Directory:Cher]] using this attribute.
:::Excellent points. I just created [[Attribute:Common_Name]] & [[Attribute:Scientific_Name]]. You can follow the links to the some of the placeholder data. OMG should be able to search for all information related to [[Directory:Cher]] using this attribute.
:::As far as personal information, we already have [[Template:Infobox Person|Infobox Person]] & [[Template:Infobox Personal|Infobox Personal]] that can handle standard information. We also have [[Centiare:Entertainment Annotation|Entertainment Annotation]] to record & report on any specific nominations, awards, categories, etc. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 10:16, 22 February 2007 (PST)
:::As far as personal information, we already have [[Template:Infobox Person|Infobox Person]] & [[Template:Infobox Personal|Infobox Personal]] that can handle standard information. We also have [[MyWikiBiz:Entertainment Annotation|Entertainment Annotation]] to record & report on any specific nominations, awards, categories, etc. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 10:16, 22 February 2007 (PST)
==Book ACR Tags==
Category Suggestions
Category Suggestions
*Books
*Books
*Book Reviews
*Book Reviews
Attribute and Annotation Suggestions
Attribute and Annotation Suggestions
*Title:=The Wisdom of Crowds
*Book Title:=The Wisdom of Crowds
*Author:=James Surowiecki
*Author Of::James Surowiecki
*Date:=2005
*Date:=2005
*ISBN:=0385721706
*ISBN:=0385721706
*Publisher:=First Anchor Books
*Publisher Of::First Anchor Books
*Reviewed by:=
*Reviewed By:=
:Great list - see book ACRs [[:Category:Books|categorized here]]; note use of relations for authors/publishers. This is similar to [[MyWikiBiz:Entertainment Annotation|movie actors/producers]] in that ASK queries will x-reference publications-authors-publishers. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 12:12, 22 February 2007 (PST)
==Medical Tags==
==Medical Tags==
OK, here's our medical [[Centiare:ACR]] workspace. Let's use just a regular bulleted list until we reach some type of consensus. At that point, I'll create the actual tags, provide definitions/usage policy, and run some demo ASK queries. Once we have a basic standard, then anyone else ever creating medical info can follow the same methods. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:31, 13 February 2007 (PST)
OK, here's our medical [[MyWikiBiz:ACR]] workspace. Let's use just a regular bulleted list until we reach some type of consensus. At that point, I'll create the actual tags, provide definitions/usage policy, and run some demo ASK queries. Once we have a basic standard, then anyone else ever creating medical info can follow the same methods. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:31, 13 February 2007 (PST)
==How do our Attributes and Relations stack up?==
==How do our Attributes and Relations stack up?==
As Centiare grows, we should probably keep an eye on not just our number of pages, but on the number of our Attributes and Relations -- not to mention how frequently they're being coded into article pages. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 14:52, 21 February 2007 (PST)
As Centiare grows, we should probably keep an eye on not just our number of pages, but on the number of our Attributes and Relations -- not to mention how frequently they're being coded into article pages. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 14:52, 21 February 2007 (PST)
:One reason the other SMW sites don't have as many [[Centiare:ACR|ACR]] tags is that they are primarily focused on single topics. Another issue to consider is tag proliferation, even at a limited level, which is characterized by under-utilized ACRs. That is, similar tag names are created in an attempt to provide differentiation in lieu of categories, so the actual usage per tag is low. And yet one more thing is many of the ACRs are red-linked ie there aren't any actual page value assigned to the tags.
:One reason the other SMW sites don't have as many [[MyWikiBiz:ACR|ACR]] tags is that they are primarily focused on single topics. Another issue to consider is tag proliferation, even at a limited level, which is characterized by under-utilized ACRs. That is, similar tag names are created in an attempt to provide differentiation in lieu of categories, so the actual usage per tag is low. And yet one more thing is many of the ACRs are red-linked ie there aren't any actual page value assigned to the tags.
:The true test of effective use of tags is topic specificity, commonality (within groupings), category differentiation, and actual page values. It's a sure sign things are out of whack if any of these characteristics appear to be out of balance. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:42, 21 February 2007 (PST)
:The true test of effective use of tags is topic specificity, commonality (within groupings), category differentiation, and actual page values. It's a sure sign things are out of whack if any of these characteristics appear to be out of balance. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:42, 21 February 2007 (PST)
==Friends Relations==
Could we add the profile pick of each friend in with the friends semantic box? It would look cool and classy if we did it right. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 18:57, 5 March 2007 (PST)
:Not sure what you mean. Could you mock up a simple wikitable that illustrates what you'd like the end result to look like? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 07:32, 6 March 2007 (PST)
::Garrett, do you mean "picture" when you say "pick"? That's what I'm guessing. Seems to me, to make that work, the profile picture would have to be tagged in some uniform fashion AND the MediaWiki software would have to be able to render images in ASK tables. Sounds challenging. Might be something for an "eventual To Do" list. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 07:49, 6 March 2007 (PST)
:::Exactly what I was going for; but a million other things need to happen first.
:::I say create a Directory:Centiare/Goals and write short, medium, and long term goals for we what to accomplish with centiare. Writing goals down helps to materialize them better. Stupid Oprah - I should really find something to do after Jeopardy. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 08:33, 6 March 2007 (PST)
::::Regardless of the time frame, the goal is the same: increase members & contributions (main space + directory listings). So the question then becomes "what is the best way to accomplish this?" It appears the conclusion boils down to ''brute force marketing'' (BFM).
::::While BFM comes in many flavors, its essential objective is to increase '''market awareness'''. The techniques listed so far include YouTube stunts, sincere letter writing campaigns, and Google search references. Are there any others that we haven't considered? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 08:46, 6 March 2007 (PST)
:::::There are lots of other ways to market Centiare. Create a blog. Write current "hot" news stories to draw in searchers. Post sincere comments on other blogs and message boards. Create a MySpace page (already done -- it's not generating any heat). Convince popular bloggers to write a story about us (you know, that damn Pandia article is one of our top inbound feeds). Convince popular journalists to write a story about us. Set up LiteBrite sets in metro areas -- er, scratch that. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 19:50, 6 March 2007 (PST)
==Extensions==
Centiare supports a full range of [[MyWikiBiz:Extensions|audio, video, widget, social bookmarking]], etc extensions that can be included within Directory listings. Here's a brief list and one in action:
<ASK format="ul">
[[Page Of::<q>[[MyWikiBiz:Extensions]]</q>]]
</ASK>
<sharethis />
==Spam filter blocks my amazon associates==
This is a bit irksome, could you please unspam amazon. I'm having trouble displaying the problem as the filter keeps blocking me. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 22:06, 5 April 2007 (PDT)
:Okay, this is getting a bit weird. I reported the same problem to the Grand Poobah a couple of days ago, and he said, "Errr, it seems to work for me." So I tried again, and I did NOT get the threatening "spam link blocked" message. It worked (Liz Cohen page). I would just "try again", Garrett, and if it still doesn't work, hopefully Karl will look into this a bit more. Maybe we could/should contact Amazon -- surely they had enough Mediawiki wikis linking to them before, to have seen a problem ticket at some point. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 05:56, 6 April 2007 (PDT)
==Centiare doesn't support kanoodle advertising==
They give me this piece of adcode here
<SCRIPT language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/javascript" src="http://context5.kanoodle.com/cgi-bin/ctpub_adserv.cgi?id=88333764&site_id=88333765&format=pu600x400b&bdcl=cccccc&bgcl=ffffff&tlcl=000000&ttcl=494949&ulcl=929292"></SCRIPT>
I've surrounded it with both <nowiki><embed></nowiki> and <nowiki><adsense></nowiki> but to no avail. Could you create a new <kanoodle></kanoodle> extension like you did for adsense?
==Infobox width==
Could we decide on a universal vertical infobox width. My sharethis box can only look right on either the personal or business but not both
{{Sharethis}}
[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:29, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
:I don't have any particular opinion; does it need to be standardized? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 20:42, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
::I'd like to have my sharethis box and any other supplemental box the same width so it looks nice throughout the site if I put it above or below the box - maybe a 20em?
[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 06:56, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
==Heads Up==
This is just a heads up but if you want infoboxes to render properly for internet explorer within html colors create one infobox for all the boxes you want to include and
<nowiki>
{| align=right
|-
|
|}
</nowiki>
the whole thing
[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 14:03, 28 April 2007 (PDT)
:Is this per what you did with Stetson Hats? That looks flashy and nice, for a consumer product! --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 20:00, 28 April 2007 (PDT)
::I just wanted 7% off my prom fedora so I created the article in like 20 minutes :)! [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 22:26, 28 April 2007 (PDT)
==LaTeX==
JA: The LaTeX module does not appear to be loaded. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 05:14, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
:You are correct. I briefly looked into months ago, but since we didn't have anybody using the <nowiki><math></nowiki> function, I sort of put it on the back-burner. Do you know whether or not specific PHP modules have to be loaded (that aren't part of the std release), or is it something specific to the parser function that can easily be configured? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 06:58, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
::JA: No, that's all I know about it. I've pretty much exceeded my teΧnical abilities just trying to spell "LaTeΧ". [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 07:10, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
:::Math has been installed and is working properly. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 19:52, 3 June 2007 (PDT)
::::Additional math rendering capabilities have been enabled. See [[Help:Displaying a formula]] for more information. Example:
<pre><math>\sqrt{a^2+b^2}</math> produces</pre>
<math>\sqrt{a^2+b^2}</math>
::::Along with the new math functions, hieroglyphics have also been enabled. You can refer to the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:WikiHiero_syntax meta] to get a complete list of images. Example:
<pre><hiero>A1</hiero> produces</pre>
<hiero>A1</hiero>
[[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 06:56, 6 June 2007 (PDT)
==SubPage Titles==
The '''<nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:xxx}}</nowiki>''' magic word has been enabled along with a minor hack of the MediaWiki display module. Used in conjunction with MW's built-in sub-page navigational "breadcrumb" feature, this magic word helps render a cleaner page look and eliminates ''directory path creep''.
For an example of this capability, take a look [[Directory:Sarbanes-Oxley/Mgi_Pharma_Inc|here]]. Please note that with this function, wikilinks need to be referenced from URLs as page titles can now be rendering separately from actual page names. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 19:52, 3 June 2007 (PDT)
==Link Search==
The WP special page that displayed external links was recently released as a MediaWiki extension and has now been [[Special:Linksearch|installed]]. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 15:49, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
== Source code tagging ==
Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I was wondering if there are any tags available on Centiare which convert text to the style encountered in a computer compiler such as found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Derktar/sandbox here at this link]. The tags that are used to do this on Wikipedia are: <nowiki><source lang = "cpp"></source></nowiki> and converts from standard writing text to the text found in a C++ or Java compiler such as Visual Studio which highlights different aspects in different colors. Any help in this matter is appreciated thanks, [[User:Derek Elder|Derek Elder]] 20:05, 9 October 2007 (PDT).
