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===Citation templates===

===Citation templates===

I would like to see Karl enable the 10 citation templates that are found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_templates at Wikipedia].  I believe that these 10 should cover any attempt any user should have to factually cite and article or Directory page.  I currently updated [[Directory:Gregory J. Kohs]] with a <nowiki>{{cite news}}</nowiki>, but it isn't rendering. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 10:08, 2 January 2007 (PST)

I would like to see Karl enable the 10 citation templates that are found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_templates at Wikipedia].  I believe that these 10 should cover any attempt any user should have to factually cite and article or Directory page.  I currently updated [[Directory:Gregory J. Kohs]] with a <nowiki>{{cite news}}</nowiki>, but it isn't rendering. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 10:08, 2 January 2007 (PST)

:Done. Please see [[Centiare:Citation_templates]] - let me know if there's anything else you need. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 11:32, 2 January 2007 (PST)

:Done. Please see [[MyWikiBiz:Citation_templates]] - let me know if there's anything else you need. [[User:Centiare|Centiare]] 11:32, 2 January 2007 (PST)

===Gadgets and Widget===

===Gadgets and Widget===

===Web 3.0===

===Web 3.0===

*this site promotes the POV so here I go. You're business model is flawed. The Ads on centiare weaken the overall feel immensely putting the site dangerously close to a geocite/xanga. Instead, go on attack of the show a few more times, get interviewed my a magazine. Once a base of 50,000 (just throwing out a number) members join charge 4.99 for a personal page and 19.99 for a business. You're selling this site, make it cool to have a page. Ipods are no better than roxio players but which one is cool? Exactly. Down the road I see Centiare:The <s> free </s> Directory

*this site promotes the POV so here I go. You're business model is flawed. The Ads on centiare weaken the overall feel immensely putting the site dangerously close to a geocite/xanga. Instead, go on attack of the show a few more times, get interviewed my a magazine. Once a base of 50,000 (just throwing out a number) members join charge 4.99 for a personal page and 19.99 for a business. You're selling this site, make it cool to have a page. Ipods are no better than roxio players but which one is cool? Exactly. Down the road I see MyWikiBiz:The <s> free </s> Directory

:Monthly billings are so Web1.0 - think Web3.0. That means transactions.

:Monthly billings are so Web1.0 - think Web3.0. That means transactions.

[[User:Wygk|Wygk]] 11:59, 5 March 2007 (PST)

[[User:Wygk|Wygk]] 11:59, 5 March 2007 (PST)

:I like your ideas. What type of improvements would you include/modify on these existing [[Centiare:Listing/Add|forms]]? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 12:21, 5 March 2007 (PST)

:I like your ideas. What type of improvements would you include/modify on these existing [[MyWikiBiz:Listing/Add|forms]]? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 12:21, 5 March 2007 (PST)

::I will bet 10 to 1 that what [[User:Wygk|Wygk]] was envisioning is something like what they have [http://wikicompany.org/wiki/Special:WCPublish over at Wikicompany.org].  Our "forms" aren't really forms, they are templates. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 13:59, 5 March 2007 (PST)

::I will bet 10 to 1 that what [[User:Wygk|Wygk]] was envisioning is something like what they have [http://wikicompany.org/wiki/Special:WCPublish over at Wikicompany.org].  Our "forms" aren't really forms, they are templates. --[[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 13:59, 5 March 2007 (PST)

I agree with the proceeding contributions that viral marketing will drive Centiare growth and build an internet powerhouse.  Part of what I would like to see Centiare become is something that WP cannot: an online community of clients/members for commercial and advocacy organisations... the author ownership of the Centiare directory page linked to MySpace-type comments/YouTube videos/Blogs could create powerful online communities.  I am planning to work in new media (online delivery of news commentary via blogs and video) and believe that Centiare could be the Unified Field Theory of wiki directories, blogs, and video.  Nonetheless, what I intend to do in the mean time, is get every line of business in my family company to get a directory and write an article on every issue I have expertise in.  We need to build content so that when people discover Centiare, they aren't disappointed with a lack of content.  I like the idea of news items to drive traffic; could Centiare expand into the same area as Topix or Newsvine? [[User:Bnagroup|Bnagroup]] 16:25, 8 March 2007 (PST)

I agree with the proceeding contributions that viral marketing will drive Centiare growth and build an internet powerhouse.  Part of what I would like to see Centiare become is something that WP cannot: an online community of clients/members for commercial and advocacy organisations... the author ownership of the Centiare directory page linked to MySpace-type comments/YouTube videos/Blogs could create powerful online communities.  I am planning to work in new media (online delivery of news commentary via blogs and video) and believe that Centiare could be the Unified Field Theory of wiki directories, blogs, and video.  Nonetheless, what I intend to do in the mean time, is get every line of business in my family company to get a directory and write an article on every issue I have expertise in.  We need to build content so that when people discover Centiare, they aren't disappointed with a lack of content.  I like the idea of news items to drive traffic; could Centiare expand into the same area as Topix or Newsvine? [[User:Bnagroup|Bnagroup]] 16:25, 8 March 2007 (PST)

:Centiare supports all sorts of [[Centiare:Extensions|embedded scripts]], including [[Iframe]], which means we can run almost any program from within Centiare. The person who's the real expert in this area is [[User:OmniMediaGroup|OmniMediaGroup]] - take a look [[Directory:Allbritton Communications|here]] to see just one example out of hundreds(?) she's created.

:Centiare supports all sorts of [[MyWikiBiz:Extensions|embedded scripts]], including [[Iframe]], which means we can run almost any program from within Centiare. The person who's the real expert in this area is [[User:OmniMediaGroup|OmniMediaGroup]] - take a look [[Directory:Allbritton Communications|here]] to see just one example out of hundreds(?) she's created.

:I have discussed with her the possibility of linking up blogs, auctions (eBay), classified (Craigslist), videos (YouTube), etc. to create a true Web3.0 e-commerce environment at Centiare. Perhaps you would like to touch base with her - the three of us (+ whoever else was interested) could probably pull this project together pretty quickly.

:I have discussed with her the possibility of linking up blogs, auctions (eBay), classified (Craigslist), videos (YouTube), etc. to create a true Web3.0 e-commerce environment at Centiare. Perhaps you would like to touch base with her - the three of us (+ whoever else was interested) could probably pull this project together pretty quickly.

:The grand irony is that, even though capitalism is inherently selfish, due to productive efficiencies stimulated by self-interest, private property systems always generate more wealth, taxes & public funding. In a Web 3.0 environment, the seemingly novel construct of allowing users to control their own contributions will produce more and better quality information. That is, Centiare will deliver more utility and value to end users. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:16, 8 March 2007 (PST)

:The grand irony is that, even though capitalism is inherently selfish, due to productive efficiencies stimulated by self-interest, private property systems always generate more wealth, taxes & public funding. In a Web 3.0 environment, the seemingly novel construct of allowing users to control their own contributions will produce more and better quality information. That is, Centiare will deliver more utility and value to end users. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 17:16, 8 March 2007 (PST)

::I think ''that'' is the huge potential of Centiare: the power to unify these extensions; if the owner of a directory page can protect that page from vandalism, it can be used to tie together these web extensions and create a dynamic web-based community. If someone doesn't like the APOV let them set up an counterpoint directory listing--instead of the Wikipedia suppression of dissent.  On a side note, as an alumnus of Adam Smith's alma mater, I wouldn't say that Capitalism is inherently "selfish" but is inherently "self-motivated'.  I know I am parsing words but selfishness is a sin, Capitalism is not.  Capitalism is morally superior to collectivism.  But you are right: the paradox is that the common good is better served by the freedom of individuals to achieve their goals. [[User:Bnagroup|Bnagroup]] 18:39, 8 March 2007 (PST)

::I think ''that'' is the huge potential of MyWikiBiz: the power to unify these extensions; if the owner of a directory page can protect that page from vandalism, it can be used to tie together these web extensions and create a dynamic web-based community. If someone doesn't like the APOV let them set up an counterpoint directory listing--instead of the Wikipedia suppression of dissent.  On a side note, as an alumnus of Adam Smith's alma mater, I wouldn't say that Capitalism is inherently "selfish" but is inherently "self-motivated'.  I know I am parsing words but selfishness is a sin, Capitalism is not.  Capitalism is morally superior to collectivism.  But you are right: the paradox is that the common good is better served by the freedom of individuals to achieve their goals. [[User:Bnagroup|Bnagroup]] 18:39, 8 March 2007 (PST)

:::The Directory space, by default, cannot be accessed by any other users except page owners/originators & sysops. Since it is in effect, virtual "private property", owners can utilize their Directory listings/space to engage in all manner of legal activities, including advocacy, e-commerce, etc.

:::The Directory space, by default, cannot be accessed by any other users except page owners/originators & sysops. Since it is in effect, virtual "private property", owners can utilize their Directory listings/space to engage in all manner of legal activities, including advocacy, e-commerce, etc.

:::Turns out we can just use the embed command to wrap any existing RSS XML scripts. Check out the [[RSS]] page. You may want to explore a little more about specific extensions that will assist in formatting.  For now the feed works great - especially on refresh. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 14:10, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

:::Turns out we can just use the embed command to wrap any existing RSS XML scripts. Check out the [[RSS]] page. You may want to explore a little more about specific extensions that will assist in formatting.  For now the feed works great - especially on refresh. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 14:10, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

::::I can't get the centiare rss page to render in my java creator [http://www.rss-info.com/en_rssinclude-simple.html] [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 14:46, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

::::I can't get the centiare rss page to render in my java creator [http://www.rss-info.com/en_rssinclude-simple.html] [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 14:46, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

:::::Looks perfect [[RSS|here]]. Could you add this to the [[Centiare:Extensions]] list along with a brief write-up & example? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 14:54, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

:::::Looks perfect [[RSS|here]]. Could you add this to the [[MyWikiBiz:Extensions]] list along with a brief write-up & example? [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 14:54, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

::::: O - no I was talking about having our own RSS feed, not embedding anothers. I envisioned a [http://rss.centiare.com/rss/featured articles] type situation with the feed refreshing every day with each new article. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 19:30, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

::::: O - no I was talking about having our own RSS feed, not embedding anothers. I envisioned a [http://rss.centiare.com/rss/featured articles] type situation with the feed refreshing every day with each new article. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 19:30, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

::::::[[RSS|Done]] - just take a look at the code & documentation for further explanation. Would you like to post both of these to the extensions list? Even though you are interested in the outbound RSS, the inbound RSS is perfect for building dynamic content. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 09:58, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

::::::[[RSS|Done]] - just take a look at the code & documentation for further explanation. Would you like to post both of these to the extensions list? Even though you are interested in the outbound RSS, the inbound RSS is perfect for building dynamic content. [[User:Snerfling|Snerfling]] 09:58, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

This is the most unique wiki I've seen to date. [http://www.wikihow.com/Main-Page] I'm not advocating nearly this big of change but it's cool to see what's out there. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 13:50, 13 May 2007 (PDT)

This is the most unique wiki I've seen to date. [http://www.wikihow.com/Main-Page] I'm not advocating nearly this big of change but it's cool to see what's out there. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 13:50, 13 May 2007 (PDT)

:Garrett, feel free to experiment all you want with the either the main page or the entire skin. You can simply create a main page under any one of your listings. Alternatively, you can perform wholesale changes with your skin. If you like the site you referenced above, just take copy/paste their skin to yours - it's that simple. Or, check out this [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles gallery of user styles] for other ideas.

:Garrett, feel free to experiment all you want with the either the main page or the entire skin. You can simply create a main page under any one of your listings. Alternatively, you can perform wholesale changes with your skin. If you like the site you referenced above, just take copy/paste their skin to yours - it's that simple. Or, check out this [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles gallery of user styles] for other ideas.

::''Consultant Joel Kurtzman, who evaluated 350 startups for his book Startups That Work, found that successful outlets usually have a team of two or three founders who share a common vision; the success rate for this model was a remarkable 50%. The odds for solo founders were more like the oft-quoted one in 10'' - That's pretty good odds. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:09, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

::''Consultant Joel Kurtzman, who evaluated 350 startups for his book Startups That Work, found that successful outlets usually have a team of two or three founders who share a common vision; the success rate for this model was a remarkable 50%. The odds for solo founders were more like the oft-quoted one in 10'' - That's pretty good odds. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:09, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

::How do I make my own skin for the whole site? The main page and really the whole site have everything placed really well. However all other wiki's (except the super unique wikihow) have the same boring gray background with 1px of darker gray border and green bullet boxes. I'll capture a few net pictures and see if we can code them into centiare.

::How do I make my own skin for the whole site? The main page and really the whole site have everything placed really well. However all other wiki's (except the super unique wikihow) have the same boring gray background with 1px of darker gray border and green bullet boxes. I'll capture a few net pictures and see if we can code them into centiare. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] 17:27, 14 May 2007 (PDT)