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'''Quote''' by Ocham-[[London]], United Kingdom:
 
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{{Cquote|''These differences about history also reflect bitter modern disputes, often violent, about nationhood and national identity, about the rights and wrongs and the justice of a cause, about genocide and war. Such bitter disagreements are brought onto Wikipedia, where editors will fight on the internet over the same issues that have caused division in real life. The talk pages of these articles can often resemble a battleground. Often an editor or a group of editors learn to work the system in their favour to promote their own point of view, so that the article will become a stated Wiki fact, and itself a piece of history. This brings up all sorts of moral and ethical issues.''}}
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''These differences about history also reflect bitter modern disputes, often violent, about nationhood and national identity, about the rights and wrongs and the justice of a cause, about genocide and war. Such bitter disagreements are brought onto Wikipedia, where editors will fight on the internet over the same issues that have caused division in real life. The talk pages of these articles can often resemble a battleground. Often an editor or a group of editors learn to work the system in their favour to promote their own point of view, so that the article will become a stated Wiki fact, and itself a piece of history. This brings up all sorts of moral and ethical issues.''}}
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Judging by the last year of edits on the articles about Croatia, they are pretty much written from a '''dated''' point of view of the former [[Communists|Communist]] Yugoslavia. Communist Yugoslav nationalistic history is all but forgotten in the West. It was the regimes policy to create a uniform state rather than a collective of peoples. The policy was one of the great historic failures of recent times. In essence Yugoslavia was a contradiction, on one hand it had the slogan ''Brotherhood and Unity'' <ref>[http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZK2WE_2H3UEC&pg=PA169&dq=Identity+politics+in+the+age+of+genocide:+the+Holocaust+and+historical+brother+hood+and+unity&hl=en&ei=CIWWTZKiK8SecJT3gJ0H&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Identity Politics in the Age of Genocide:] The Holocaust and Historical Representation ''by'' David Bruce MacDonald (p169)</ref><ref> ''Brotherhood and Unity''  was originally a policy of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia</ref> and on the other hand it executed [[Titoism and Totalitarianism|Stalinist policies]] from the 1940s to the 1960s.  Other Nationalistic conflicts within Wikipedia that are related to the Croatian region are based on ''ethnicity'' (i.e. Croatian, Serbian, Albania and Italian).
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Judging by many of edits on the Croatia related articles, they are pretty much written from a '''dated''' point of view of the former [[Communists|Communist]] Yugoslavia. Communist Yugoslav nationalistic history is all but forgotten in the West. It was the regimes policy to create a uniform state rather than a collective of peoples. The policy was one of the great historic failures of recent times. In essence Yugoslavia was a contradiction, on one hand it had the slogan ''Brotherhood and Unity'' <ref>[http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZK2WE_2H3UEC&pg=PA169&dq=Identity+politics+in+the+age+of+genocide:+the+Holocaust+and+historical+brother+hood+and+unity&hl=en&ei=CIWWTZKiK8SecJT3gJ0H&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Identity Politics in the Age of Genocide:] The Holocaust and Historical Representation ''by'' David Bruce MacDonald (p169)</ref><ref> ''Brotherhood and Unity''  was originally a policy of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia</ref> and on the other hand it executed [[Titoism and Totalitarianism|Stalinist policies]] from the 1940s to the 1960s.  Other Nationalistic conflicts within Wikipedia that are related to the Croatian region are based on ''ethnicity'' (i.e. Croatian, Serbian, Albania and Italian).
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{{Cquote|''The problem becomes particularly acute in a place like [[Wikipedia]], where the only intellectual interest - that is to say, no intellectual interest at all - lies simply in a nationalistic dispute, in this case between [[Italy|Italians]] and Croatians.''}}  
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''The problem becomes particularly acute in a place like [[Wikipedia]], where the only intellectual interest - that is to say, no intellectual interest at all - lies simply in a nationalistic dispute, in this case between [[Italy|Italians]] and Croatians.''}}  
    
*[http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/07/francesco-patrizi.html Read '''link''''': BEYOND NECESSITY-Francesco Patrizi'' ]
 
*[http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/07/francesco-patrizi.html Read '''link''''': BEYOND NECESSITY-Francesco Patrizi'' ]
 
====Venetian Albania====
 
====Venetian Albania====
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Another article to mention is ''Venetian Albania'' <ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Albania|title=Venetian Albania, 2011.Tue. 22 Feb. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-02-22}}</ref> (it is also related to the Republic of Venice.) Here is an Editor's response to some very simple basic historic facts concerning the Republic of Venice and Venetian Albania: {{Cquote|''This is without even going into the controversial nature of the very biased and unbalanced depiction of history...'' By DIREKTOR 22 February 2011 <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Venetian_Albania#Article_scope Venetian Albania] Talk:Venetian Albania-Article scope </ref>}}
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Another article to mention is ''Venetian Albania'' <ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Albania|title=Venetian Albania, 2011.Tue. 22 Feb. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-02-22}}</ref> (it is also related to the Republic of Venice.) Here is an Editor's response to some very simple basic historic facts concerning the Republic of Venice and Venetian Albania: {{quote|
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''This is without even going into the controversial nature of the very biased and unbalanced depiction of history...'' By DIREKTOR 22 February 2011 <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Venetian_Albania#Article_scope Venetian Albania] Talk:Venetian Albania-Article scope </ref>}}
    
This is typical standard Wikipedian rhetoric '''spin'''. The language can be also interpreted as a facade for other editors who are not educated in the topic at hand. Also the statement is there to create a problem where in fact there isn't an issue here at all other than that of Nationalistic extremism.
 
This is typical standard Wikipedian rhetoric '''spin'''. The language can be also interpreted as a facade for other editors who are not educated in the topic at hand. Also the statement is there to create a problem where in fact there isn't an issue here at all other than that of Nationalistic extremism.
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(Wikipedian Editor DIREKTOR tried to remove [[Josip Broz Tito]] from Wikipedia's article  "''List of dictators"''  [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_dictators&diff=443063560&oldid=443063505  /'''Link'''])
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Wikipedian Editor DIREKTOR tried to remove [[Josip Broz Tito]] from Wikipedia's article  "''List of dictators"''  [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_dictators&diff=443063560&oldid=443063505  /'''Link'''], and is trying to create the falsehood that a mass murdering executioner was a Benevolent dictator (his speciality is totalitarian communist spin).
 
* A Wikipedian Editor's observation on Yugoslav Nationalistic editing and Wikipedia Admin:
 
* A Wikipedian Editor's observation on Yugoslav Nationalistic editing and Wikipedia Admin:
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{{Cquote|''It is painful that two simple edits (actually, 1 edit in 2 articles) required 2 days, 1 report and hundreds of sentences of discussion when they are a clear disruption by one editor who is perfectly aware of what he is doing. I´m sorry to say it Fainites, but your still "I think" make me think that as an admin involved in this, you are being too nice and soft towards that editor, and you should have been much more effective in deciding something as simple as this because this way, a disruptive editor that constantly edit-wars made fun of all of us for 2 days and made a number of dedicated editors loose a lot of time completely unnecessarily.'' By FkpCascais on the 1 March 2011 <ref>{{cite web|url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ustaše#Invasion_of_SFR_Yugoslavia_in_1941_.28.3F.3F.3F.29 |title=Wikipedia:Talk Ustase- Invasion of SFR Yugoslavia in 1941 (???), 2011.Wed. 2 Mar. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-03-2}}</ref>}}
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''It is painful that two simple edits (actually, 1 edit in 2 articles) required 2 days, 1 report and hundreds of sentences of discussion when they are a clear disruption by one editor who is perfectly aware of what he is doing. I´m sorry to say it Fainites, but your still "I think" make me think that as an admin involved in this, you are being too nice and soft towards that editor, and you should have been much more effective in deciding something as simple as this because this way, a disruptive editor that constantly edit-wars made fun of all of us for 2 days and made a number of dedicated editors loose a lot of time completely unnecessarily.'' By FkpCascais on the 1 March 2011 <ref>{{cite web|url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ustaše#Invasion_of_SFR_Yugoslavia_in_1941_.28.3F.3F.3F.29 |title=Wikipedia:Talk Ustase- Invasion of SFR Yugoslavia in 1941 (???), 2011.Wed. 2 Mar. 2011. |date=[[2011]]|accessdate=2011-03-2}}</ref>}}
 
[[File:250px-Ragusa.png|thumb|right|325px|'''Republic of Ragusa'''. Today part of modern [[Croatia]].]]
 
[[File:250px-Ragusa.png|thumb|right|325px|'''Republic of Ragusa'''. Today part of modern [[Croatia]].]]
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====Family Member Statement on Wikipedia====
 
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{{Cquote|As a Croatian member of the de Bona family, I would like to remind everybody of the following:
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As a Croatian member of the de Bona family, I would like to remind everybody of the following:
    
''The Bona name already appears in a document dated from the 10th century - this document can be seen in Dubrovnik. All Croatian identity documents show de BONA (even during Yugoslavia) All family records show the name BONA, never Bunic Tombstones show Bona, never Bunic. Bunic predominantly appears in books written by Yugoslav authors or those using "Yugoslav" sources. Paintings in the Dubrovnik Museum show the name "de Bona" on all the paintings - description tags usually say Bunic and now also Bona in most cases (since Croatia's independence -- under Yugoslavia, nearly exclusively Bunic).
 
''The Bona name already appears in a document dated from the 10th century - this document can be seen in Dubrovnik. All Croatian identity documents show de BONA (even during Yugoslavia) All family records show the name BONA, never Bunic Tombstones show Bona, never Bunic. Bunic predominantly appears in books written by Yugoslav authors or those using "Yugoslav" sources. Paintings in the Dubrovnik Museum show the name "de Bona" on all the paintings - description tags usually say Bunic and now also Bona in most cases (since Croatia's independence -- under Yugoslavia, nearly exclusively Bunic).
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''In Dubrovnik the family is known as Bona, not Bunic. The aristocracy wanted to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population and did not Slavicize their names (except two families of Slavic origin)...in some cases some people who wrote in Croatian or a form of it also used a Slavic version of the name...Additional proof needed for the Bona name. So far none seen. In MHO, this page should be known as House of Bona (aka Bunic) and all the names in the Slavic version should appear in parentheses next to the Bona name. As far as I know, there are no historical records with these Slavic names. All family records, always show the name Bona even when the rest of the text is written in Croatian.
 
''In Dubrovnik the family is known as Bona, not Bunic. The aristocracy wanted to distinguish themselves from the rest of the population and did not Slavicize their names (except two families of Slavic origin)...in some cases some people who wrote in Croatian or a form of it also used a Slavic version of the name...Additional proof needed for the Bona name. So far none seen. In MHO, this page should be known as House of Bona (aka Bunic) and all the names in the Slavic version should appear in parentheses next to the Bona name. As far as I know, there are no historical records with these Slavic names. All family records, always show the name Bona even when the rest of the text is written in Croatian.
 
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''A small clique is controlling all the info that goes into the Croatian pages. This is a fact. They are very determined that only info they accept can enter in Wikipedia. Otherwise, they do everything to make sure it's deleted -- often with no explanation --. If they don't like a user they will do everything to ban him.''
 
''A small clique is controlling all the info that goes into the Croatian pages. This is a fact. They are very determined that only info they accept can enter in Wikipedia. Otherwise, they do everything to make sure it's deleted -- often with no explanation --. If they don't like a user they will do everything to ban him.''
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He is other example of  bias editing on Wikipedia the free encyclopaedia which could be viewed as cultural genocide. The historic information below was deleted because it did not reflect the '''dated''' point of view of the former [[Communists|Communist]] Yugoslavia. According to Wikipedia in the [[Dalmatian Italians]] article (21/11/2010), history of the region started in 997 A.D. We somehow '''lost''' the history of the Roman Empire and the early Byzantine Empire. ''See below:''  
 
He is other example of  bias editing on Wikipedia the free encyclopaedia which could be viewed as cultural genocide. The historic information below was deleted because it did not reflect the '''dated''' point of view of the former [[Communists|Communist]] Yugoslavia. According to Wikipedia in the [[Dalmatian Italians]] article (21/11/2010), history of the region started in 997 A.D. We somehow '''lost''' the history of the Roman Empire and the early Byzantine Empire. ''See below:''  
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After the 1840s the ethnic group suffered from an apparently constant trend of decreasing presence and now numbers only around 1,000 people. Throughout history, however, this group (though small in numbers in the last centuries) exerted a disproportionally significant influence on the region.
 
After the 1840s the ethnic group suffered from an apparently constant trend of decreasing presence and now numbers only around 1,000 people. Throughout history, however, this group (though small in numbers in the last centuries) exerted a disproportionally significant influence on the region.
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In Dalmatia the most important centers of the CNI are in [[Split]] (Spalato), [[Zadar]] (Zara), and [[Kotor]] (Cattaro).  They have their own newspapers
 
In Dalmatia the most important centers of the CNI are in [[Split]] (Spalato), [[Zadar]] (Zara), and [[Kotor]] (Cattaro).  They have their own newspapers
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=== Roman Dalmatia and the Middle ages ===
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==== Roman Dalmatia and the Middle ages ====
    
Roman Dalmatia was fully latinized by 476 AD when the [[Western Roman Empire]] disappeared, according to scholar [[Theodor Mommsen]] in his book "The Provinces of the Roman Empire".
 
Roman Dalmatia was fully latinized by 476 AD when the [[Western Roman Empire]] disappeared, according to scholar [[Theodor Mommsen]] in his book "The Provinces of the Roman Empire".
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'''Update''': The article's Roman Dalmatia section [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_Italians#Roman_Dalmatia_and_the_Middle_ages'' link''] has been returned (26/12/2010) by editor 65.9.76.25. This type of Wiki-editing is very common.
 
'''Update''': The article's Roman Dalmatia section [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_Italians#Roman_Dalmatia_and_the_Middle_ages'' link''] has been returned (26/12/2010) by editor 65.9.76.25. This type of Wiki-editing is very common.
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== Croatisation ==
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=== Croatisation ===
 
Removing large sections of history  within  the ''Croatisation'' article  [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatisation&diff=439246980&oldid=431976511 '''''link''''']
 
Removing large sections of history  within  the ''Croatisation'' article  [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatisation&diff=439246980&oldid=431976511 '''''link''''']
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The section gets put back in ''and'' then deleted '''again''' by Wiki-Editor PRODUCER [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatisation&curid=4603296&diff=439499335&oldid=439483917'' '''link''''']. Pure political bias: {{Cquote|Croatisation of Italy's Julian March and Zadar
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The section gets put back in ''and'' then deleted '''again''' by Wiki-Editor PRODUCER [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Croatisation&curid=4603296&diff=439499335&oldid=439483917'' '''link''''']. Pure political bias: {{quote|
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Croatisation of Italy's Julian March and Zadar
 
   
 
   
 
{{see also|Istrian-Dalmatian exodus}}
 
{{see also|Istrian-Dalmatian exodus}}
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*[http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=30348&view=findpost&p=246461 How to manipulate Wikipedia, www.myisrael.org.il]
 
*[http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=30348&view=findpost&p=246461 How to manipulate Wikipedia, www.myisrael.org.il]
 
Israel National News:
 
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{{Cquote|'' Wikipedia has become the new battleground for Israel's PR image. The Yisrael Sheli (My Israel) movement and the Yesha Council, which represents Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, have joined together for a new public relations initiative. Together they will soon offer a special course for volunteers who wish to write and edit English entries on Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia.'' }}
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'' Wikipedia has become the new battleground for Israel's PR image. The Yisrael Sheli (My Israel) movement and the Yesha Council, which represents Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, have joined together for a new public relations initiative. Together they will soon offer a special course for volunteers who wish to write and edit English entries on Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia.'' }}
    
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