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--- Log opened Thu Aug 16 00:00:07 2012
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00:06 < Sp33dyphil> Hi Guys!!
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00:07 < Sp33dyphil> Frood: Hey!
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00:07 < Sp33dyphil> Peter-C: hello
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00:07 < Sp33dyphil> ToAruShiroiNeko: Ping!
00:07 < Peter-C> Hello!
00:08 < Sp33dyphil> Great news! Great news!
00:08 < Sp33dyphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III is finally a GA!
00:08 < Ironholds> IShadowed__: ping
00:08 < Sp33dyphil> Ironholds: hello sir.
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00:09 < Peter-C> :O
00:10 < Ironholds> hey, Sp33dyphil
00:10 < Ironholds> Peter-C: you know Willow Smith's big hit thingy?
00:10 < Ironholds> how does it open again?
00:10 < Sp33dyphil> how are you?
00:10 < Peter-C> O_o
00:10 < Ironholds> Sp33dyphil: I'm good :). yourself?
00:10 < Peter-C> I whip my hair back and fourth
00:11 < Sp33dyphil> I'm ecstatic with the elevation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III to GA, the first non-Apple consumer device to do so!
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00:12 < IShadowed__> Ironholds, what
00:13 < Ironholds> IShadowed__: what's the opening line to that big willow smith song?
00:13 < Apheori> Anyone want a pile of dirt?
00:13 < IShadowed__> "I whip my hair back and forth"
00:14 < IShadowed__> :P
00:14 < Ironholds> IShadowed__: and is it now in your head? :P
00:14 < IShadowed__> no?
00:14 < Ironholds> dammit
00:14 < Ironholds> I wanted to share the paon
00:14 < Ironholds> *i
00:14 < IShadowed__> nope
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00:16 < IShadowed__> my ear is fucking ow
00:17 < Ironholds> ?
00:17 < IShadowed__> my ear
00:17 < IShadowed__> hurts.
00:18 < Sp33dyphil> Frood: ping
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00:19 * Ironholds knifes IShadowed__ in the ear
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00:34 < Peter-C> http://wnyw.images.worldnow.com/images/1746290_G.jpg
00:34 < Peter-C> The bird was shortly after put into custudy
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00:39 < lexein> oh, man, now he's in the _system_, man, drag, man
00:40 < lexein> jailbird
00:40 < lexein> who's a pretty boy? Here, pretty boy!
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00:42 < Pine> Ugh.
00:42 < Pine> Someone screwed up a template.
00:43 < Peter-C> http://www.myfoxny.com/story/19290437/exotic-bird-lands-on-police-cadets-head
00:43 < Peter-C> Sp33dyphil ^
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01:14 < Sp33dyphil> Pine: hi
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01:14 < Pine> Hi Sp33dyphil
01:14 < Sp33dyphil> Great news! [[Samsung Galaxy S III]] has been promoted to GA!
01:15 < Sp33dyphil> Peter-C: What kind of news do you read? o.O
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01:38 < Pine> Hi Christoph_WMDE
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01:41 < Christoph_WMDE> hi Pine
01:41 < Pine> Remind me, are you with the Wikidata team
01:41 < Pine> ?
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02:01 < darev> hello
02:02 < Christoph_WMDE> no, pine
02:02 < Christoph_WMDE> im in the community support :)
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02:03 < skalman12> !admin sensitive matter
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02:04 < Pine> skalman12: is it urgent or just sensitive?
02:04 < skalman12> both
02:04 < skalman12> but a small matter
02:04 < Pine> ok. If you don't get a response from a local admin and you think it's urgent you can ask a steward in #wikimedia-stewards.
02:05 < skalman12> it's not extremely urgent, but it should be dealt with soon
02:06 < Pine> There are very few admins on IRC at this time, usually. You may have better luck getting a steward.
02:06 < Christoph_WMDE> Pine: Lydia_WMDE has just entered the office and should join this chat soon
02:06 < Pine> Thanks Christoph
02:06 < Lydia_WMDE> i'm here ;-)
02:06 < Lydia_WMDE> wasup?
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02:07 < Pine> Hi Lydia. Is there a place that shows progress reports from Wikidata?
02:07 < Lydia_WMDE> yes
02:07 < Lydia_WMDE> sec
02:07 < Lydia_WMDE> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates
02:08 < Lydia_WMDE> all the important things about wikidata are linked on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata
02:08 < Pine> Thank you!
02:08 < rschen7754> skalman12: hi
02:08 < Lydia_WMDE> sure
02:08 < skalman12> rschen7754: hi - are you an admin?
02:08 < rschen7754> yeah
02:09 < skalman12> moving to private chat..
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02:40 < IRWolfie-> is there a talk pages aren't forums template?
02:40 < IRWolfie-> aha found it "Not a forum"
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04:02 < Steven_Zhang> admin?
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04:08 < Jarry1250> Yus?
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05:29 < Steven_Zhang> DanielB: What do you do nowadays?
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05:30 < TeeTylerToe> aren't the numbers sort of in on providing health insurance to people that can't afford it?
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06:48 < Tony_Sidaway> IRC, I am in you! Albeit sporadically.
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06:50 < TBloemink> Lol
06:52 < Tony_Sidaway> I fell asleep listening to an Iain M Banks audio novel. The result is a wondrous dream, but you awaken with a terrible sense of loss.
06:53 < Tony_Sidaway> I want talking spaceships, I want drug glands!
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06:53 < Steven_Zhang> Bangladesh: stop impersonating a country, kthnx
06:53 * Bangladesh o.O
06:54 < Bangladesh> This is my country! :-O
06:54 < Steven_Zhang> yes
06:54 < Steven_Zhang> but you are not THE country
06:55 < Bangladesh> No I am not, I am just trying something. lol
06:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I was actually told off the other day for laughing at something I saw in the internet machine.
06:57 < Tony_Sidaway> "I'm doing what you young people call lolling," I explained.
06:58 < Tony_Sidaway> "Yes, but you're not supposed to lol out loud ", said my son.
06:59 < wctaiwan> Your son was entirely correct, actually.
06:59 < Steven_Zhang> LOL
06:59 < wctaiwan> >.>
06:59 < wctaiwan> see Steve there? I bet he just grinned and didn't actually laugh out loud.
07:00 < Steven_Zhang> OK, its midnight.
07:00 < Tony_Sidaway> He was most upset that this made me lol even more loudly.
07:00 < Steven_Zhang> wctaiwan: i'm not laughing out loud at midnight.
07:00 < wctaiwan> Steven_Zhang: my point exactly… or something
07:00 < Steven_Zhang> Oh, i should log hours.
07:00 < Steven_Zhang> Since i was actually working. I hate having two accounts.
07:01 < Tony_Sidaway> So why do people type lol when they're not actually laughing?
07:01 < Steven_Zhang> idk
07:01 < Steven_Zhang> lol
07:01 < wctaiwan> it's the same with that nsfw thing...
07:01 * Bangladesh o.O
07:01 -!- Bangladesh is now known as oO
07:01 < wctaiwan> abbreviations lose their original meanings over time.
07:01 * oO done, hope Steven is happy for now. :-D
07:01 < Steven_Zhang> Yeah its actually a true fact
07:02 < Tony_Sidaway> At least in my day some of us would go to the trouble of clearing a space on the floor, in case it should happen that we needed to roll around on it, laughing.
07:02 < Steven_Zhang> In 96% of cases where "lol" is used, the user is in fact NOT laughing out loud.
07:02 < Steven_Zhang> its like when people type rofl
07:02 < Steven_Zhang> How are they typing and rolling on the floor laughing?
07:02 < Tony_Sidaway> We were more exuberant in our epithets in those days. And perhaps more literal minded.
07:03 < Steven_Zhang> anyways i'm exhausted.
07:03 < Steven_Zhang> oh, yeah. hours.
07:03 < wctaiwan> Steven_Zhang: 70% statistics etc.
07:03 < Steven_Zhang> gotta code tomorrow.
07:03 < wctaiwan> what language?
07:03 < Steven_Zhang> would do it today…but tooo tired
07:03 < Steven_Zhang> js
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07:03 < wctaiwan> ah
07:04 < Steven_Zhang> should be easy
07:04 < Tony_Sidaway> So there should be a universal disclaimer. Lol nr. Rotfl nr. "Not really."
07:04 < Steven_Zhang> just have to rewrite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-DRN-wizard.js to work for MedCom
07:04 < oO> You seem exhausted, aye. :-)
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07:04 < oO> Go to sleep!
07:04 < oO> Look, a Harej. Hey!
07:05 < Tony_Sidaway> C|N>K NR
07:06 < Tony_Sidaway> In those days we used to chide lollers for slacking. Too lazy to roll around.
07:07 < Steven_Zhang> i am
07:07 < Steven_Zhang> a wild harej appears!
07:07 < wctaiwan> Harej uses silence.
07:07 * Steven_Zhang uses beer on harej
07:07 < wctaiwan> It is super effective.
07:08 < Steven_Zhang> its super effective
07:08 < wctaiwan> lol
07:08 < Steven_Zhang> -_-
07:08 < wctaiwan> nr.
07:08 < wctaiwan> as a courtesy to Tony_Sidaway :P
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07:08 < wctaiwan> go sleep steven, good night now.
07:08 < wctaiwan> oh dang, wasted curtesy.
07:08 < Steven_Zhang> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-super-effective
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07:08 < wctaiwan> courtesy, even.
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07:09 < Steven_Zhang> turrah
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07:11 < Tony_Sidaway> The verb "to loll" implies indolence. But it's not easy to accuse someone of being lazy when one is seated at a keyboard browsing cat pictures. Believe me, I've tried.
07:12 < Steven_Zhang> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/260750-its-super-effective
07:12 < Steven_Zhang> lol
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07:13 < wctaiwan> Steven_Zhang: true that.
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07:14 < Steven_Zhang> ooh thats dark
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07:16 < _Tony_Sidaway> My tellingbone is awful today. The entire internet just lost contact with me several times in the past five minutes.
07:16 < _Tony_Sidaway> It's a good thing I had nothing important to tell them all.
07:17 < TeeTylerToe> that's a real robinson crusoe story
07:17 < _Tony_Sidaway> Oh yes, I was getting on to Lollards.
07:18 < _Tony_Sidaway> They're mentioned in Chaucer. One of the clerics in Canterbury Tales is a Lollard.
07:22 < Steven_Zhang> zzz
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07:24 < _Tony_Sidaway> They could be seen as early gnomes, sorting through church dogma and inserting discreet {{citation needed}} tags
07:28 < Frood> Fuck you, Mitt Romney.
07:29 < Frood> No, you don't know what it's like to "make ends meet"
07:29 < Frood> You're rich. You always have been.
07:31 < _Tony_Sidaway> I think it's the Parson who is described as a follower of Wycliffe.
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07:31 < _Tony_Sidaway> Frood in France he had only a single mansion in the entire country!
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07:32 < _Tony_Sidaway> While a missionary
07:32 < Bradford> Holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ?
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07:36 < _Tony_Sidaway> Mitt does have a lot in common with the poor. Many years, like the poorest, he has paid little or no federal income tax.
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07:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Chaucer is a lot more perspicacious than I remember him being during my GCE studies in the early seventies. He's made great progress in the past fifty years.
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07:50 < Tony_Sidaway_> Is there a hostage category? For people famous for being held hostage.
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07:53 < KimiSleep> Anyone read "Pandora's Star"?
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07:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Has Steven been on?
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07:59 < TeeTylerToe> yes
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08:05 < Tony_Sidaway_> Edward III is supposed to have granted Chaucer a stipend of a gallon of wine a day for life. As somebody who happily gets though 75cl on a weekend, I regard that as a stupendous volume of wine.
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08:06 < Tony_Sidaway_> It's about six bottles a day!
08:06 < Pharos> well, he probably didn't have water
08:07 < Tony_Sidaway_> His dad was a vintner anyway, so he could hardly save them up Christmas presents for the family.
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08:08 < Tony_Sidaway_> Wasn't the Poet Laureate's stipend a butt of Malmsey until quite recently?
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08:11 < Tony_Sidaway> That would be the annual stipend though. A cask of wine to last all year, not the veritable drinking fountain Chaucer was granted.
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08:12 < Tony_Sidaway> I suppose kings had to be extravagant. You couldn't have him being outdone by a commoner.
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08:15 < Pharos> now the only thing monarchs have left is good taste
08:15 < TeeTylerToe> alcohol consumption has dropped significantly
08:16 < Pharos> in gemeneral, or among admins?
08:17 < pakaran> Tony_Sidaway, in fairness, because alcohol is sterile (not so much due to alcohol, as due to even beer being boiled to soften the barley), it was much safer during the middle ages to drink in place of water.
08:17 < Jarry1250> Probably weaker, too
08:18 < pakaran> yeah, small beer served to children could be down to 1%
08:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Anybody who thinks British monarchy has good taste is invited to tour Buckingham Palace.
08:19 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a cathedral to kitsch.
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08:19 < Pharos> i am always at least 55% facetious
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08:20 < Harpagornis> Hi
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08:20 < Pharos> i did see the olympics ceremony, after all :P
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08:21 < Harpagornis> article [[Troy_Beyer]]
08:22 < Harpagornis> does not match the name
08:22 < Harpagornis> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004752/
08:22 < Tony_Sidaway_> I know alcohol was drunk because it was more healthy than water. This has nothing to do with the sheer volume of the stuff. A gallon a day for life.
08:23 < Pharos> it was a good deal, let's face it
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08:23 < Bradford> Harpagornis ¿?
08:23 < Pharos> if britain had that rule today, imagine how much stronger the contemporary poetry scene would be!
08:23 < mareklug> Harpagornis: but look at all the imdv listings (as Troy Beyer)
08:24 < mareklug> idmb
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08:24 < Tony_Sidaway> If I had my drothers I'd pass a law requiring Buckingham Palace to be closed to the public once more. It really is a disgrace.
08:25 < IRWolfie-> does anyone actually use the portals on wikipedia?
08:25 < Pharos> someone did once
08:25 < Pharos> in that case Tony, why not just merge with the Japanese imperial family?
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08:26 < Pharos> they're appropriately aloof and mysterious
08:26 < Tony_Sidaway> What we need is a portal portal to promote the use of portals. Obviously.
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08:27 < Tony_Sidaway> I'd privatize the Royal Family. Put the job out to competitive tender and abolish the Civil List.
08:27 < mareklug> Harpagornis: first two refs in the bio refer to Beyer, the third and last is a broken link
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08:29 < Tony_Sidaway_> They can turn Buckingham Palace into anything that would promote tourism, within reason. And rent out Balmoral to the international hunting set.
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08:30 < Tony_Sidaway_> A proportion of the proceeds to charities and public works, much like the national lottery.
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08:31 < mareklug> Harpagornis: but then there is this: http://www.troybyer.com "Copyright © 2012 Troy Byer Bailey" <-- perhaps the bio on wiki needs some editing
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08:31 < Tony_Sidaway_> Exclusive control of "By Appointment"and other accoutrements of personal patronage, for the duration of the contracted period.
08:33 < Pharos> I think the Romanovs might be interested in a bid
08:33 < Pharos> they have some investors lined up
08:34 < Tony_Sidaway_> Doable. They've got strong family connections to the current lot, so perhaps a joint bid.
08:34 < Pharos> those football teams were just testing the waters
08:34 < Harpagornis> mareklug, ok, I get it, then fine, in the Spanish wiki is wrong.
08:34 < Harpagornis> mareklug, thanks
08:35 < mareklug> Harpagornis: no. look at the last thing i wrote closely: BYER
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08:40 < Harpagornis> aah, ok, already understood
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08:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Is it too early to write "The death of Diana, Princess of Wales, considered as an urban car rally"? Jarry waited 1900 years, Ballard was much quicker off the starting blocks.
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08:42 < Tony_Sidaway> But perhaps princesses are more inherently lovable than gods and presidents.
08:43 < Pharos> i love presidents!
08:44 < Pharos> all presidents everywhere
08:44 < Tony_Sidaway> Kennedy was worshipped, after a fashion, for some years after his death.
08:44 < Pharos> lincoln moreso
08:44 < Tony_Sidaway> He was the Buddy Holly of world leaders.
08:44 < Pharos> he was our christ-president
08:46 < Pharos> even the outherners learned to worship him after death
08:46 < Pharos> *southerners
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08:46 < Tony_Sidaway> But I can't pretend to understand the Presidency. I don't understand why a right wing loon like Reagan even stood a chance of election.
08:47 < Pharos> well, he was governor of california first
08:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Perhaps the foreign policy disasters of the seventies helped.
08:47 < Pharos> and he's a positive liberal compared to most modern republicans
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08:48 < Soapy> reagan was a liberal compared to today???
08:48 < Pharos> certainly
08:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Well yes, but that was then.
08:48 < TeeTylerToe> Reagan's pretty perversely worshipped
08:48 < TeeTylerToe> and clinton and obama are pretty republican
08:48 < mareklug> "Reagan won the White House by promising to get the government off the backs of the people." that is probably a good précis
08:48 < Soapy> lol
08:49 < Pharos> reagan invented immigration amnesty
08:49 < Tony_Sidaway> The modern Republicans are largely out there with the Birchers.
08:49 < Pharos> like actual amnesty
08:49 < Pharos> and it worked!
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08:49 < Pharos> reagan started out as the moderate wing of republicans in the 60s
08:49 < Pharos> when he was against goldwater
08:50 < Tony_Sidaway> The Obama campaign is having quite a lot of fun pointing out that their candidate has more in common, politically, with Reagan than have modern Republicans.
08:50 < Pharos> goldwater was the previous high tide of rightwinginess i guess
08:51 < Soapy> but why are liberals always saying the country is moving far to the left??
08:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Don't forget Nixon's Southern Strategy.
08:52 < Pharos> Soapy, are you a non-American?
08:52 < Pharos> "liberal" here means left-of-center
08:52 < Soapy> aw
08:52 < Soapy> yes I am American
08:53 < Pharos> it is conservatives that say the country is moving to the left!
08:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Quite
08:53 < Pharos> they are wrong, but that's what they say
08:53 < Soapy> it's liberals, too, when they want to sound like they've won everything
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08:53 < Pharos> have you ever met a liberal, Soapy?
08:53 < TeeTylerToe> I heard a republican say that reagan was a lincoln... and I think that reagan ended the civil war and slavery
08:54 < TeeTylerToe> well, the liberals did win the '00 election
08:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy are you the guy who yesterday wanted embryos to have a vote ?
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08:55 < Trenton> I love metro booklets that are stuffed with stats... http://pastebin.com/yVCPBq4h
08:55 < Soapy> yeah
08:55 < Soapy> that was 2 days ago though, wasnt it?
08:55 * Pharos thinks advanced AIs should have a vote
08:56 < mareklug> Soapy: how is this embryo voting supposed to work?
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08:57 < Soapy> stick a microphone into the womb and ask them who they want to vote for
08:57 < Trenton> A question for policy freaks
08:57 < Trenton> would emailing a ga-standard wp article in wikicode to another user and asking them to post it on wp be considered [[wp:meat]]?
08:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Do the embryos of undocumented immigrants get a vote?
08:58 < mareklug> i thought maybe the preggers woman is to get a voucher (such a Republican idea) and exchange it for additional ballot
08:58 < Pharos> maybe we should consider letting 16 year olds vote first as a pilot project? :P
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08:58 < KimiSleep> Oh god please no
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08:59 < Trenton> hello?
08:59 < Trenton> would emailing a ga-standard wp article in wikicode to another user and asking them to post it on wp be considered [[wp:meat]]?
08:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Justin Bieber 4 Prez!
08:59 < Soapy> Trenton: why, are you banned?
08:59 < Soapy> if not I dont see any problems
08:59 < Pharos> we shall no foreign potentates!
08:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Trenton, yes.
08:59 < Soapy> if you are, it still wouldnt be meatpuppeting, but it might be in violation of the ban
08:59 < Soapy> eh?
08:59 < mareklug> isn't Justin a cannuck?
09:00 < Pharos> that would make him a foreign potentate
09:00 < Tony_Sidaway> He's an embryo.
09:00 < Trenton> meh.
09:00 < Pharos> an embryonic foreign potentate
09:00 < Soapy> Trenton who are you??
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09:00 < Soapy> I want to give a serious answer
09:00 < Trenton> Hurricanefan25.
09:01 < Trenton> That's a serious answer, I hope.
09:01 < Soapy> and apparently youre blocked and/or banned
09:01 < Tony_Sidaway> The Birthers already think they're ruled by a British subject from Kenya who hates the British.
09:01 < Trenton> ja
09:01 < wctaiwan> Trenton is jc37...
09:01 < Soapy> but even so, banned users can edit
09:01 < wctaiwan> /whois would tell you that
09:01 < Soapy> wctaiwan, no, jc37 is a separate user
09:01 < Trenton> jc33, ffs
09:01 < wctaiwan> oh wait
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09:02 < Fluffernutter> Trenton, it's not strictly forbidden, but I think the expectation is that anyone who posts an article on your behalf will a) say that they're doing so (attribution), and b) take responsibility for the wuality of that content
09:02 < Pharos> post your article on Simple English, Trenton!
09:02 < wctaiwan> yeah, HF25, heh.
09:02 < Trenton> I was banned on simplewiki.
09:02 < Tony_Sidaway> The arbcom says proxy posting is ban evasion.
09:02 < Trenton> I don't think they'd be happy to see me.
09:02 < Pharos> did you ever consider that maybe they banned you for some sort of reason? ;)
09:03 < Trenton> yes, for acting like an impudent asshole.
09:03 < wctaiwan> Soapy: sorry about that.
09:03 < Pharos> get your act together, learn to get along, dude
09:03 < wctaiwan> you did a nice job on enwiki for a while...
09:03 < Pharos> Fluffernutter's advice is right
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09:04 < Trenton> lots of GAs :) - well, actually, only 7
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09:04 < wctaiwan> I don't think people suspected you until you decided to reveal all your socks at ANI...
09:04 < wctaiwan> nice job helping people etc. too.
09:04 < wctaiwan> rehabilitation, man.
09:04 < Trenton> actually, two admins did.
09:04 < wctaiwan> oh.
09:04 < wctaiwan> oh well >_>
09:04 < Fluffernutter> admins are the worst, yo
09:04 < Soapy> to be honest I dont know what the rules are for banned users editing "by proxy" but I know its happened
09:04 < Soapy> some banned users have even written GA's while banned
09:05 < Trenton> I fucking hate those sock policies. :/ Let PD come back, btw.
09:05 < Fluffernutter> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proxy_editing#Edits_by_and_on_behalf_of_banned_users
09:05 < Fluffernutter> "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to confirm that the changes are verifiable and they have independent reasons for making them."
09:05 < Soapy> ah
09:05 * Trenton mutters
09:05 < Soapy> but if the edits are deemed OK, it's allowed
09:06 < Soapy> I think that's basically to stop extreme POV stuff
09:06 < Soapy> not "normal" editing that's productive
09:06 < wctaiwan> my personal, non-policy opinion is that if you're so good at not arousing suspicion and being productive such that no one ever suspects you… well, why not?
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09:06 < Trenton> yes, I can take on identities pretty well imo...
09:06 < Trenton> basc already declined, btw
09:06 < Trenton> 6-months
09:06 < Trenton> so, 2/15/2013 :/
09:07 < Soapy> ok
09:07 < Trenton> and can we end this conversation? thanks.
09:07 < Soapy> ok
09:07 < wctaiwan> k.
09:07 < nprice> 13:27 GMT: Assange says Ecuador's decision to grant him asylum is a “significant victory.”
09:07 < nprice> 14:45 GMT: Around 10 police officers have entered the embassy.
09:07 < nprice> oops
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09:07 < Guerillero> I hate fan boys
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09:08 < wctaiwan> nprice: isn't that technically a violation of ecuador's sovereignty?
09:08 < wctaiwan> or is it different in the UK?
09:08 < Guerillero> We explain why an interview isn't a good source for an FA
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09:09 < Soapy> the UK's thought of that already, wctaiwan
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09:09 < mareklug> price I read that UK has a law on the books that can suspend the exterritoriality of a foreign embassy for a reason
09:09 < Guerillero> and they find other sources to insert their favorite bands into the unk rock page
09:09 < Soapy> they said they can sever ties with Ecuador thus making the embassy not an embassy anymore
09:09 * Guerillero face palms
09:09 < Soapy> that
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09:09 < suicidalzerg> Fuckin birds ate the peppers off my Jalapeno plants...
09:09 < Soapy> marek said it the right way
09:09 < wctaiwan> o_O
09:09 < wctaiwan> they're willing to go that far that quickly?
09:09 < Soapy> no, ignore me
09:09 < Soapy> theyre not severing ties with Ecuador
09:10 * suicidalzerg explodes, spewing acid all over the 30 hp civilians, killing them all.
09:10 < Soapy> just "suspending the exterritoriality of a foreign embassy"
09:10 < wctaiwan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19281492
09:10 < Soapy> it's still considered the embassy. Besides, the Ecuadorian representative left a few days ago
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09:10 < Guerillero> see this lovely edit warring that I have to put up with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Punk_rock&action=history
09:10 < suicidalzerg> wctaiwan: "We're willing to go to war over Julian Assange" :p
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09:11 < Soapy> still, war is not out of the question
09:11 < Guerillero> the admins at ANEW seem to only look for 3rr violations
09:11 < suicidalzerg> I believe they really may be willing to go to war over him.
09:11 < mareklug> looks to me Assange will be showing up in Sweden. but US has made no request to have him extradited, so what's this fuss
09:11 < wctaiwan> I don't think it'll be war. Severing ties doesn't imply war...
09:11 < suicidalzerg> They want him in jail for ever.
09:12 < wctaiwan> mareklug: Ecuador's saying f--- Sweden, I think.
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09:12 < suicidalzerg> If governments had their way, he'd be dead already, imo.
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09:13 < wctaiwan> how will Ecuador airlift him out of their embassy, though?
09:14 < Guerillero> that is assange's problem
09:15 < mareklug> didn't his backers already forfeit all the bail bond money?
09:15 < suicidalzerg> Also, this: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120815/23472720067/new-zealand-high-court-fbi-must-release-its-evidence-against-kim-dotcom.shtml
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09:15 < suicidalzerg> If the FBI doesn't release the evidence against him, there will be no extradition of Kim Dotcom...
09:16 < suicidalzerg> And it's a final ruling too, can't be appealed
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09:17 < Evadogg2012> hello
09:17 < Soapy> there's a tunnel through the center of the Earth that you can crawl in that leads to Ecuador
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09:18 < Soapy> Dotcom and Assange should go into a jail cell somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean where there's no Internet
09:18 < Evadogg2012> hows everyone
09:18 < Soapy> they can live off of crabs and coconuts
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09:19 < mareklug> that's probably better fare than in any Swedish jail
09:20 < Guerillero> I doubt it
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09:21 < wctaiwan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18521881 quite fascinating, honestly.
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09:23 < Guerillero> off to a meeting
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09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> What's interesting about the Lollards is that it gives a glimpse into church dissent in Western Europe in the centuries leading up to Martin Luther and William Tyndale.
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09:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Many of the complaints you see from Henry in the Annullment crisis come on an almost direct lineage from the Lollards.
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09:28 < Tony_Sidaway> (All the more remarkable because Henry had been a stalwart defender of the papacy).
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09:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Saw Richard II on TV a few weeks ago. Trying to remember if Shakespeare makes any obvious references to John of Gaunt's lollardism. The corruption of Richard's court does play off well against Gaunt's relatively ascetic dress and speech, and of course Gaunt's son, exiled by Richard, later overthrows the king.
09:39 < Tony_Sidaway> This would appeal to late Tudor sensibilities, though I can't imagine that it would have pleased the later Stuart monarchy.
09:41 < Soapy> ok
09:41 < Soapy> i undetstood some of that
09:41 < Soapy> had to look up lollard though since it sounded more like modern Internet slang than 1600's-AD slang
09:42 < Soapy> 'ppears we came up with the same idea for what to do with the syllable 'lol' twice
09:42 < Soapy> well, slightly different
09:43 < Soapy> "Sir John Oldcastle being burnt for Lollard heresy" <--- thankfully we are a bit more peaceful these days
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09:44 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm looking at how Chaucer (a contemporary of Wycliffe) and Shakespeare (who wrote extensively about the period) depicted the "heresies".
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09:45 < Tony_Sidaway> It seems that Chaucer himself was, if not a lollard, at least very sympathetic. Of course his patron the king was too.
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09:45 < Tony_Sidaway> Edward's successor Richard, rather less so.
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09:49 < Tony_Sidaway> My daughter actually wants to buy the BBC DVD of this sequence of plays, because Henry V appears in 3 of the 4 and he's played by her idol Tom Hiddleston, who also plays Loki in The Avengers.
09:49 < Soapy> hm
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09:54 < Tony_Sidaway> The BBC did a remarkable job of the battle scenes, considering they had about six blokes to play the entire French army.
09:56 < Soapy> thats pretty much accurate, isnt it?
09:56 < Soapy> and theyre all five feet tall
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09:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Technically Henry IV also appears in four plays, but he's a young man in Richard II so the splendidly ancient Jeremy Irons didn't play him.
09:56 < Tony_Sidaway> three plays, sorry. H VI is in three, not four.
09:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Patrick Stewart plays John of Gaunt, whose main task is to appear saintly in death while Richard II takes the piss out of him.
09:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Then his son Henry comes back and takes over while Richard is on his hols on a tour of Ireland, and it's Richard's turn to be saintly. What a merry-go-round!
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10:09 < KimiSleep> We call that
10:09 < KimiSleep> a meme
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10:29 < Fluffernutter> what symbol is this username? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E0%BC%86 I mean, I can see the symbol, but is it a letter from a non-latin alphabet or something?
10:30 < Frood> drunk man dancing
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10:31 < BlastHardcheese> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%BC%86
10:31 < mysterytrey> Look's like an olympic torch.
10:31 < Fluffernutter> wow, that definition is almost entirely devoid of any useful meaning
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10:32 * mysterytrey recommends Fluffernutter improves the definition.
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10:33 < Fluffernutter> i'd have to understand it to do that
10:33 < Soapy> a flourish founded upon a phurba :o
10:34 < mareklug> Fluffernutter: look at the bottom row of the gif http://tibet.que.ne.jp/misc/EWylie1.html
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10:35 * Fluffernutter wonders if there's tibetan on her wikipedia water bottle
10:37 < Isarra> Well, there is a bowp.
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10:38 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_alphabet and also here in section Unicode, first row of table, column 6 -- exactly
10:38 < Isarra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/༆
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10:39 < Isarra> Wait, when did I install that script on this computer? O_o
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10:42 < Mdann52> What's the template that produces (non-admin comment)?
10:42 < Fluffernutter> might be {{NAO}}
10:43 < Mdann52> Thanks
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10:43 < Isarra> Why do people like making those so much?
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10:44 < PeterSymonds> Could just, you know, type it. ;-p
10:44 < Isarra> I'm sure there are valid uses, but a lot of the time it's like OO OOO I'M PARTICIPATING LOOK but not actually adding anything remotely useful.
10:44 < Mdann52> PeterSymonds, I'm lazy
10:44 < Isarra> Or type something more creative.
10:44 < Fluffernutter> Isarra: opinions are like assholes...
10:45 < mysterytrey> ^Hah
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10:49 < Frood> augh, !oversight
10:49 < Mdann52> ?... You generally join #wikipedia-en-oversight
10:50 < Mdann52> (I think...)
10:50 < Frood> no, that doesn't exist
10:50 * Frood stabstabs Fluffernutter
10:50 < suicidalzerg> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/12/08/16/1450216/ask-slashdot-protecting-data-from-a-carrington-event
10:50 < suicidalzerg> Um...
10:50 < Mdann52> Theres always #wikipedia-en-revdel
10:50 < suicidalzerg> In a near-extinction event occurs, your data should be the least of your worries.
10:50 < suicidalzerg> If*
10:50 < Isarra> Fluffernutter: Do tell.
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10:51 < Isarra> I'm interested in your opinion on this matter.
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10:52 < Isarra> Hmm...
10:52 < Isarra> Is telling someone in an RfC that what they're saying makes absolutely no sense a bad idea?
10:52 < Fluffernutter> huhwhut? who needs me?
10:52 < Mdann52> :)
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10:53 < Fluffernutter> Frood, you could always just pm instead of stabbing. It's much more polite.
10:53 < Noommos> Bad page move at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500 and related pages
10:53 < Isarra> ...especially considering what they said previously in the same RfC... >.>
10:53 < Isarra> Frood never mastered basic social graces.
10:53 < Isarra> Probably has something to do with why he wound up here.
10:53 < PeterSymonds> Stabbing people is frowned upon? I did wonder why I got those looks.
10:54 < Fluffernutter> well, it's ok when YOU do it, PeterSymonds
10:54 < PeterSymonds> Ah, okay, good.
10:54 * Isarra hides behind Fluffernutter.
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10:54 < Mdann52> List if edit requests is.... Very random....
10:54 < Mdann52> [18:40] (Helpmebot) 15 protected edit requests: [[User:Jayant16/sandbox]] (waiting 04:12:15) , [[Talk:BootIt Next Generation]] (waiting 04:12:15) , [[Talk:Cliff Stanford]] (waiting 04:12:15) , [[Talk:Masturbation]] (waiting 04:12:15) , [[Talk:Rob Ford]] (waiting 09:52:23) , [[Talk:Robin van Persie]] , [[File talk:Bufo periglenes2.jpg]] (waiting 09:32:22) , [[MediaWiki talk:Movepage-moved]] (waiting 03:12:13) , [[Medi...
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10:55 < Frood> i think Fluffernutter is a pyro.
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10:55 * Isarra pokes enwp with a stick.
10:55 < Frood> she says "mmph" a lot.
10:55 < Isarra> Okay, this worked on ANI yesterday.
10:56 < Isarra> Why is it not working on a random talkpage now?
10:56 < Mdann52> Frood..... I'm not sure if that's A PA....
10:56 < Isarra> Blaaargh.
10:57 < Frood> I guess most people here probably don't play TF2.
10:57 < Isarra> Also, should I be concerned that someone has apparently been purging my userpage? O_o
10:57 < Isarra> And nope.
10:58 < Isarra> Okay, why would my js work on meta but not enwp? It's the same damn js.
10:58 < Frood> because it's js
10:58 < PeterSymonds> You didn't do what I did once and put it in the wrong .js subpage?
10:59 < Isarra> It's my global js, which is definitely included on enwp; it just isn't working entirely correctly.
10:59 < Isarra> Hells, it's even working on a completely random personal wiki off somewhere else entirely.
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10:59 < PeterSymonds> Oh, it has to be synched across all wikis locally.
11:00 < PeterSymonds> global.js doesn't necessarily mean it's global until it's been copied to every wiki.
11:00 < mareklug> can anyone get this vid to actually play? it loads and loads for me http://new.livestream.com/KnitBrooklyn/thedo/videos/2404590
11:00 < Isarra> It has whatever the javascript version of an include() is on all of them.
11:00 < mysterytrey> How would that happen? Purge every video?
11:00 < PeterSymonds> Oh.
11:00 < Frood> Nope.
11:00 < PeterSymonds> Guess you could try #mediawiki
11:01 < mysterytrey> Why did I say video. I meant wiki
11:01 < Isarra> It's working on commons, too. Grr. Argh.
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11:02 < Isarra> Oh, of course. enwp requires me to purge the include statement... how nice of it, especially when none of the others did...
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11:04 < Isarra> Okay, question.
11:04 < Isarra> How do policies work around here?
11:04 < Frood> they don't
11:04 < Isarra> >.>
11:04 < Fluffernutter> um, we roll them around a baseball bat and club each other over the head with them
11:04 < mysterytrey> ^Hah
11:04 < Fluffernutter> first person to bleed loses
11:04 < Isarra> Is there a policy on policies anywhere?
11:04 < Fluffernutter> also, what Frood said
11:04 < KimiSleep> But I ain't got time to bleed!!
11:05 < SudoGhost> Isarra: Yes, [[WP:IAR]]. :)
11:05 < Isarra> SudoGhost: <3
11:05 < mareklug> "Julian Assange will not be allowed safe passage out of the United Kingdom, Foreign Secretary William Hague has declared as he warned that diplomatic immunity should not be used to harbour alleged criminals." http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/2012/08/16/no-safe-passage-for-assange-hague-91466-31639695/
11:05 < Isarra> But not really helpful here, I'm afraid...
11:05 < Isarra> Although I suppose... hmm...
11:05 < Isarra> I should really just stay away from these things.
11:06 < Fluffernutter> mareklug, isn't that sort of a...very strong challenge to the concept of diplomatic immunity? Like, would it have legal repercussions?
11:06 < Pharos> diplomats have diplomatic immunity
11:06 < Pharos> assange isnt a diplomat
11:07 < Fluffernutter> i thought they named him to some sinecure to cover him with it. or did i imagine that?
11:07 < mareklug> Fluffernutter: it's complicated. UK has a law that allows suspension of exterritoriality of an embassy for a reason. Then again, they could just keep him pinned there.
11:07 < Peter-C> All your base are belong to us
11:07 < SudoGhost> mareklug: William Hague hasn't seen Lethal Weapon 2.
11:07 < Fluffernutter> hm, interesting
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11:10 < Callanecc> Any admins around
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11:11 < Mdann52> !admin
11:11 < Peter-C> Fluffernutter is
11:11 < Mdann52> May help more.....
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11:11 < Peter-C> Mdann52 - it upsets A LOT of admins though :/
11:12 < Frood> I am here.
11:12 < Callanecc> Frood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Hell
11:12 < Frood> I am not an admin.
11:12 < Callanecc> ok nevermind then :)
11:12 < Mdann52> Peter-C, just because they don't want to do any work..................
11:12 < Fluffernutter> what's wrong with it, Callanecc?
11:12 < Callanecc> Have a look at the page history
11:12 < Peter-C> Because a lot of admins see it and only one is needed
11:13 * Fluffernutter headdesks
11:13 < Frood> Fluffernutter: edit warring
11:13 < Frood> the guy reverting obviously saw it, and removed the warnings from his userpage
11:13 < Fluffernutter> yes thank you Captain obvious
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11:14 < SudoGhost> Callanecc: Did you try [[WP:AN3]] or [[WP:RFPP]]?
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11:14 < Callanecc> There is a request at RFPP
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11:14 < Frood> socky...
11:14 < Callanecc> But this is generall the time of day there aren't many admins there
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11:15 < Fluffernutter> protected
11:16 < Peter-C> Lol FB’s stock is under $20
11:16 < Callanecc> Thank you
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11:16 < SudoGhost> Peter-C: No thanks. :)
11:16 < Peter-C> what
11:16 < SudoGhost> I don't want any.
11:17 < Peter-C> Who would? I am laughing at it!
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11:17 < Peter-C> It went from 35 to 20
11:17 < Peter-C> This is hilarious.
11:17 < Fluffernutter> we ought o create an edit filter that pegs anyone hitting "undo" or "rollback" on the same article three times in one day and goes "You know you might be edit warring, right? Don't do that!"
11:17 < Peter-C> I would be better off buying Enron
11:17 < Peter-C> *Epcot
11:17 < Peter-C> No wait... *enron had it right the first time
11:18 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuXunulTYpU "Devo releases snarky single mocking Romney"
11:18 < Callanecc> Fluffernutter: that sounds like a very good idea
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11:20 < mysterytrey> wb Callanecc
11:20 < Callanecc> very annoying
11:22 < TeeTylerToe> you could have a bot that checks to see how many time one edit is reverted
11:22 < TeeTylerToe> by one person or a group
11:23 < TeeTylerToe> although admins don't seem to count groups revert warring
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11:24 < mysterytrey> HELP WHY
11:24 < mysterytrey> Oh darn.
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11:58 < Mdann52> Anyone on?
11:59 * mysterytrey is on a couch.
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11:59 < Mdann52> :)
12:00 < Mdann52> Everyone is asleep
12:00 < Mdann52> I think....
12:00 < Isarra> Is bad website design grounds for questioning something's notability?
12:00 < Mdann52> Not really -as long as it has the info
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12:01 < Isarra> But it's BAD!
12:02 < Mdann52> So is my websites - they are still sources
12:02 < Mdann52> And my grammar.....
12:02 < Isarra> But it's BAD!
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12:02 < Isarra> >.>
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12:03 < Isarra> Seriously, if something can't have at least as good of website design as wikipedia, that's just depressing.
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12:03 < mareklug> Isarra: now i'm curious. what's the link?
12:03 < mysterytrey> Honestly, everyone should abandon wikipedia because of it's website design.
12:04 < Isarra> mysterytrey: ITS
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12:04 < mysterytrey> ITS?
12:04 < Isarra> ITS
12:04 < foks> "its". Not "it's".
12:04 < Fluffernutter> FOKS
12:04 < Fluffernutter> HELLO
12:04 < foks> hi
12:04 < Isarra> mareklug: I'm afraid I don't have one in particular.
12:04 < foks> how's it?
12:05 < mysterytrey> What do you mean by ITS?
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12:05 < Isarra> Not IT'S.
12:05 < Isarra> So what foks saID.
12:05 < foks> I saY a lot of things
12:06 < foks> I also sometimes just say them.
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12:06 < mysterytrey> I'm not putting an aphostrophe.
12:06 < mysterytrey> So what the heck?
12:06 < foks> <mysterytrey> Honestly, everyone should abandon wikipedia because of it's website design.
12:06 < foks> looks like an apostrophe to me
12:07 < Isarra> Yes.
12:07 < mysterytrey> Oh. Thanks. Now I understand.
12:07 < Isarra> Twinkle should purge pages when nominating them for deletion.
12:07 < Isarra> Namely after it creates the actual deletion discussion page.
12:08 < Isarra> Because they keep having these weird red links in the template...
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12:12 < mareklug> Frood: http://www.slashgear.com/android-malware-level-triples-in-q2-2012-16243054/
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12:14 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't think there's much wrong with Wikipedia's design, but if there were there would be nothing stopping you producing your own website with a better design and the same content and features.
12:15 < Pharos> wikipedia should have more green
12:16 * Peter-C flips over foks
12:16 < KimiNewt> you can make your own theme
12:17 * Pharos is going to 'Shakespeare in the Park(ing) Lot' tonight
12:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Which play?
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12:18 < foks> surely 'shakespeare in the park(ing lot)'
12:19 < Pharos> that's how they spell it!
12:19 < Pharos> Coriolanus
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12:19 < foks> tell them that doesn't make any sense
12:19 < LtNOWIS> that word pings me.
12:19 < foks> unless the pun is on 'shakespeare in the park lot'
12:19 < Pharos> i know, but they put on such a nice show!
12:19 < Pharos> don't want to spoil their day ;)
12:19 < foks> :P
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12:20 < mareklug> foks "Coriolanus" August 2 to 18 "The Merry Wives of Windsor"; July 12 to 28 Municipal Parking Lot at the corner of Ludlow and Broome Streets, Manhattan.
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12:21 < Pharos> someone uses google!
12:22 < Pharos> it's exactly what it says on the tin
12:23 < Mdann52> :)
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12:24 < Isarra> $300 is 'affordable' for a videocard?
12:24 < mareklug> must be some card
12:24 < Pharos> is this card signed by mickey mantle?
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12:27 < mareklug> Isarra: this might be slightly out of date latest model wise, but the prices are current http://internetgames.about.com/od/hardware/tp/tpvideocards.htm
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12:29 < Isarra> My current videocard is fine. It's 4-5 years old and cost $100 at the time.
12:29 < Isarra> I just don't understand people.
12:30 < foks> I've never bought a video card
12:30 < mareklug> well, manufacturers are ever loading up on power and memory, and then there are the retina displays and the like
12:30 < foks> I wouldn't have the first idea where to buy one, or what to look for, or how I would put it in a computer
12:30 < foks> so I don't buy them
12:30 < foks> :3
12:31 < Tony_Sidaway> I bought a video card in 1995 for 280 quid. I've never bought one since but my son and daughter both like games a bit so they've bought a few.
12:31 < Tony_Sidaway> In 1995 you needed a video card just to get VGA. Very few motherboards had that built in.
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12:32 < Isarra> It seems like there there have been more significant advancements in the software than in the hardware when it comes to gaming. Same thing can do a lot more now than it used to.
12:32 < Isarra> And why people demand 140 fps is completely beyond me when the brain can't even tell the difference between 30 and 40fps...
12:32 < Tony_Sidaway> I'd say that modern video cards are more powerful than the most powerful computers of former decades.
12:32 < foks> I was two in 1995.
12:32 < Pharos> i was 35
12:33 < foks> Liar.
12:33 < Tony_Sidaway> It's not a better frame rate necessarily, but more polygons and whatnot.
12:33 < Isarra> Modern videocares are very powerful, which is why a lot of computing is done using them. Lots of really small thingymabobbers...
12:33 < Isarra> Well, fancy computing.
12:33 < Pharos> i;m still very old
12:33 < foks> I don't videocare, Isarra.
12:33 < foks> :)
12:33 < Pharos> i remember CGA!
12:33 < foks> cwidt
12:33 < Isarra> Pharos is secretly Merlin.
12:34 < Pharos> is it a secret already?
12:34 < Tony_Sidaway> They're basically advanced vector processors and whatnot. When you read an old article talking about how powerful Crays were, well modern video cards are often much better. Moore's Law.
12:34 < Isarra> You haven't told us yet.
12:34 < Pharos> oh, i suppose it will be in my younger years
12:34 < Isarra> I'd ask if you remembered, but how could you?
12:35 < Pharos> the question is, what have i forgotten yet?
12:35 < Isarra> Only you could... oh.
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12:40 < suicidalzerg> http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/08/16/1923243/scientists-store-entire-textbook-in-dna
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12:44 * Peter-C tosses a dog at Isarra
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12:45 < Isarra> Yes, hello.
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12:45 < Mdann52> Hi
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12:51 * Isarra huggles Guerillero.
12:52 * Guerillero hugs Isarra back
12:53 < Guerillero> how are you this afternoon
12:53 < Isarra> Argumentative.
12:53 < Isarra> You?
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12:55 < Guerillero> well
12:55 < Guerillero> I am baking cookies
12:56 < Isarra> o___o
12:56 < Isarra> Must...
12:56 < Fluffernutter> y u no bake me cookies
12:56 < Isarra> Bake...
12:56 < Isarra> Food...
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12:56 < ChrisGualtieri> Cookies >.>
12:57 < Guerillero> I will give you some fluff and isarra
12:57 < Isarra> Whooo!
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12:58 < Tony_Sidaway> My son and I built our first desktop computer in 1995. It was called Gandalf.
12:59 < Isarra> My brother build his in 2001.
12:59 < Isarra> Or was it 2002?
12:59 < Tony_Sidaway> We had to go on the train to Southall to get the motherboard at a reasonable price.
12:59 < Isarra> But I'm using it now.
12:59 < BarkingFish> I built my first desktop PC back in the late 1990s, Tony_Sidaway - It was called Frankenstein, primarily cause it was cobbled together out of shit from a recycling centre :)
12:59 < Peter-C> Building computers is easy but makes people think you can walk on water
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13:00 < Mdann52> :)
13:00 < Isarra> It isn't that easy.
13:00 < Tony_Sidaway> It's the only station in Britain with a station sign in Punjabi and English.
13:00 < BarkingFish> +1 Isarra
13:00 < Peter-C> It’s an expensive lego set!
13:00 < Isarra> There are all these ribbons and they need to plug into thing and plugging ribbons into things is haaaard.
13:00 < Mdann52> Or you just go to a shop and claim you built it
13:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Peter-C is right. It's basically lego.
13:00 < Peter-C> Ugh, but besides that
13:00 < Isarra> ...and that's if you even know where to put them. >.>
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13:01 < Peter-C> Read the manual bro
13:01 < BarkingFish> Peter-C, the manual is more trouble than it's worth, bud
13:01 < Isarra> And when you've got bent pins it makes things even harder because then you need to unbend them...
13:01 < Isarra> The manual refers to numbers and things that rubbed off years ago.
13:01 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - I only read the pin reference
13:02 < Peter-C> I will BBL, need to pack for my trip tomorrow <3
13:02 < BarkingFish> some people need a manual. others have an instinct, a feeling that shit should go in certain places, and that instinct is rarely wrong :)
13:02 < Isarra> This thing has no manual.
13:02 < Isarra> It probably had several at some point, but the computer lasted a lot longer than they did.
13:02 < tkazec> I designed, purchased, and built a $1k desktop on my own at 14—it's straightforward. Scary, but straightforward.
13:03 < Isarra> Wow, you were rich.
13:03 < Isarra> And at 14... blimey.
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13:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Well we had to screw the board into the case, insert a couple of DIMM cards, plug the hard drive and CD ROM into the IDE interface, attach the keyboard and monitor, insert the power connectors, put in a boot floppy, and switch on. Enough for a dad to appear like a great wizard to a ten-year-old.
13:04 < tkazec> More like I already understood saving, budgeting, and making good purchases :P
13:04 < Tony_Sidaway> That spell seems to have worn off now. :)
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13:04 < Isarra> Where'd you get all the money to save? O_o
13:04 < Isarra> Or do you live in a country where children are allowed to work for coin?
13:05 < tkazec> I hadn't really bought anything for a year or maybe two at that point. Was aimlessly saving, then realized I could build an awesome computer :P
13:05 < Guerillero> oh
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13:05 < Isarra> What were you saving, though? O_o
13:06 < Isarra> did your parents give you the money, or something?
13:06 < tkazec> Allowance, birthday and christmas money, and my parents paid me to mow (I hated it, but didn't have a choice)
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13:06 < Isarra> And you got $1000 in two years from that?
13:07 < Isarra> Blimey.
13:07 < BarkingFish> damn. I wish I had your parents :P
13:07 < Isarra> Indeed.
13:07 < tkazec> it was probably less than two years, but sure
13:07 < tkazec> mowing was like $20 every week or two
13:07 < Isarra> How many acres?
13:07 * Guerillero remembers when $100 was a ton of money to him
13:08 < Isarra> $100 is still a lot of money.
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13:08 < Isarra> Food for a month, man.
13:08 < tkazec> not sure, probably less than 1
13:08 < tkazec> but it sucked
13:08 < Isarra> ...what.
13:09 < tkazec> summers are regularly >104F/40C here, and humid. :P
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13:10 < TAP> Summers here are regularly rainy and feature unsatisfactory weather..
13:10 < tkazec> Oh, wait, I was 13 not 14.
13:10 < Isarra> I wish it would rain here.
13:10 < Isarra> I already lost two palm trees to our well water.
13:10 < Guerillero> I only get paid 46 dollars a day (7:45 AM - 9:00PM)
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13:11 < tkazec> rain is evil and needs to go somewhere else
13:11 < tkazec> especially thunderstorms
13:11 < Isarra> It should come here.
13:11 < Guerillero> philmont needs it
13:12 < BarkingFish> ffs, Guerillero - that's almost fucking slavery. That's like, $3.50 an hour or something...
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13:13 < Frood> BarkingFish: slavery?
13:13 < TAP> $2.88 an hour.
13:13 < Frood> $3.50 an hour is more than the minimum for wait staff at a restaurant
13:13 < BarkingFish> Frood, that's gotta be some of the lowest wages I ever saw.
13:13 < Frood> it's like, $2.80 an hour in IA
13:13 < Guerillero> that is getting paid well for scout camp
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13:14 < Guerillero> I do get a tent and food for the summer
13:14 < Frood> federally it's $2.13/hr
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13:14 < Guerillero> but I doubt that costs too too much
13:14 < Frood> That's insane.
13:14 < Pharos> oh, you didn't mention the tent!
13:14 < MartijnH> Freedom is Slavery!
13:14 < Guerillero> yes
13:14 < BarkingFish> The UK has a set minimum wage for peeps over 18 or something, it's like $10.50 an hour.
13:14 < Guerillero> a 10x10 green army wall tent
13:15 < BarkingFish> regardless of what job you do, waiting, street sweeping, it don't matter.
13:15 < Guerillero> minumum wage does not apply to us
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13:15 < Isarra> What is scout camp?
13:15 < mareklug> "Pennsylvania restaurant owner must use the Pennsylvania tip credit which requires him to pay a direct wage of $2.83 per hour, while relying on tips to make up the balance of the State minimum." <-- so not just Iowa
13:15 < TAP> UK minimum wage works out as about $9.5; GBP£6.08
13:16 < Guerillero> a camp run by the boy scouts of america
13:16 < Frood> mareklug: federally it's $2.13/hr
13:16 < Tony_Sidaway> Goodness, John Wycliffe was unpopular! The church posthumously declared him a heretic and his remains were exhumed, burned and dumped in the river!
13:16 < Frood> in IA, it's $2.90/hr
13:16 < BarkingFish> i thought it was higher than that, TAP - I thought it was £6.71 an hour - i wonder what made me think of that then...
13:16 < Isarra> What do you do?
13:16 < Isarra> What's the point?
13:16 < mareklug> it's criminal
13:16 < Frood> it is
13:16 < Frood> why don't we pay them a decent wage and fuck tipping
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13:17 < MartijnH> minimum wage per day here is 67.21 Eur
13:17 < mareklug> we need to not elect Republicans
13:17 < BarkingFish> MartijnH, is that based on an 8 hour day?
13:17 < MartijnH> yeah
13:17 < MartijnH> google tells me thats $83
13:17 < Tony_Sidaway> MartijnH: sounds roughly equivalent to UK minimum hourly assuming 7/8 hour day.
13:17 < Guerillero> this is looking out of the front of my tent and where I taught scouts http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BSA-sumer-camp-pavilion-and-building.JPG
13:18 < TAP> My only source of income is "daddy's wallet on Friday morning". :D
13:18 < MartijnH> or 52 Pounds
13:18 < Guerillero> I taught scouts environmental science merit badge and astronomy merit badge
13:18 < mareklug> Guerillero: at least you have a clean and hopefully not too stressful workplace
13:18 < TAP> Good grief, that's high!
13:18 < Guerillero> It was only a bit stressful
13:19 < BarkingFish> That's moderately higher than the UK's minimum wage, MartijnH - £6.59 per hour, and ours is, as TAP points out, £6.08
13:19 < MartijnH> I don't know how it works out with taxes
13:19 < MartijnH> you'll pay very little. None over the first 600 Eur per month, and 15% over anything over 600 to 900
13:19 < TAP> Right, the mad one is off, I think I saw a packet of Walkers Sensations somewhere. I'm going hunting!
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13:20 < MartijnH> over that, you'll enter the first scale of, I think, 32%
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13:20 < IDoH> Hey
13:20 < BarkingFish> evening IDoH :D
13:20 < Isarra> Huh.
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13:21 < IDoH> Barkingfish: It's 3:21 here, hardly evening at all. :)
13:21 < BarkingFish> 9.21pm here, evening for me :)
13:21 < IDoH> Ah, I see
13:21 < BarkingFish> I wish the whois would include a TZ or something, would make it easier to greet people properly :D
13:22 < IDoH> Wouldn't it be nice to know the TZ immediately?
13:22 < tkazec> there's a /time command
13:22 < Peter-C> Peru bitches. I am going to Peru <3
13:23 < MartijnH> should be implemented on the client side, to automatically substitute any greeting with an appropriate greeting within the TZ and day/night schedule of the user
13:23 < Tony_Sidaway> At the lower end of the wage scale, VAT really bites. Cooked food, adult clothing, all around 20% or something in the UK.
13:23 < Isarra> Wow, you must be rich.
13:23 < Isarra> VAT just plain bites.
13:23 * Isarra kicks it.
13:23 < MartijnH> for any decent person, on a saturday or sunday, it should be 'good morning' untill three PM
13:23 < Isarra> Grr.
13:23 < IDoH> tkazec: Typed /time a few times, no output
13:23 < tkazec> there is on chatzilla :P
13:24 < MartijnH> 21% here in holland Tony_Sidaway
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13:24 * Elduen pokes his head in.
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13:24 < Tony_Sidaway> "Good evening, would you like an aperitif?" works any time, day or night.
13:24 < Isarra> IDoH: /ctcp tkazec time
13:24 < Isarra> Or something.
13:24 < Guerillero> what is VAT
13:24 < Isarra> Value added tax.
13:24 < MartijnH> Value Added Tax
13:24 < mareklug> BarkingFish: my client whois gives for local time in your case: 8/16/12 3:25 14PM <-- not very helpful. but it does tell your client info correctly, i think
13:24 < MartijnH> sales tax, basically
13:24 * Elduen wanders off.
13:25 < Isarra> Also known as TAX EVERYTHING DAMMIT.
13:25 < Guerillero> sales tax is at 6% here
13:25 < Guerillero> and it isn't on food, meds and clothing
13:25 < Isarra> Imagine if it were 20%.
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13:25 < Isarra> On everything.
13:25 < Isarra> Now that's fun.
13:25 < MartijnH> 6% on really basic goods (foodstuffs mainly, not cloathing). Everything else is 21%
13:25 < Guerillero> fuck that
13:26 < Guerillero> i could never live
13:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Here we have exemptions for children's clothing (great if you're skinny and like bright colours!) and uncooked food. And books.
13:26 < Tony_Sidaway> All zero rated.
13:26 < Elduen> One way to look at it is that taxes pay for civilization.
13:26 < Elduen> Unless you're in the US. In which case taxes pay for somewhat less civilization.
13:26 < IDoH> Elduen: On the other hand, VAT unfairly burdens poor people
13:26 < MartijnH> Guerillero, did I mention we pay 52% income tax over any income over about 50k Eur?
13:26 < Isarra> Elduen: Taxes pay for other countries in the union whose economies have failed already.
13:27 < BarkingFish> Fuel is 5% iirc, Tony_Sidaway - and then everything else is 20%
13:27 < Tony_Sidaway> I'd pay taxes any day rather than live on the edge.
13:27 < MartijnH> though it's set to rise a bit soon
13:27 < Elduen> VAT? Union?
13:27 < Guerillero> and you live taxes that high
13:27 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: oh yes. That's relatively new. Fuel used to be unrated I think.
13:27 < Elduen> If the implementation is broken, hit it with a hammer until it's fixed.
13:27 < BarkingFish> yeah, it was, until labour got their teeth in
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13:28 < Tony_Sidaway> Broadly speaking, I'm opposed to consumption taxes. Income and wealth, that's a better basis for taxation.
13:28 < BarkingFish> now on top of prepayment electricity (which I use), you get an extra 5% tax slapped on it
13:29 < Tony_Sidaway> The Beatles' complaints about taxation always struck me as their most surreal output.
13:29 < Isarra> Elduen: People don't want it fixed; they want security.
13:29 < MartijnH> even compared to the Magical Mystery Tour?
13:29 < Elduen> Well, Isarra, what are people?
13:29 < Tony_Sidaway> MartijnH: quite. Yes, that's what I mean.
13:30 * Guerillero thinks americans should live in the EU for a year then he wouldn't need to hear complaining about property taxes every november
13:30 < Isarra> Elduen: Involved.
13:30 < Elduen> Really?
13:30 < Tony_Sidaway> A bunch of multi-millionnaires complaining abiout their marginal tax rates when people are homeless.
13:30 < Guerillero> I think that is the only issue that pennsylvanians care about
13:30 < mareklug> "Romney: I've paid at least 13 percent tax rate in each of past 10 years" <-- that must sound surreal as a credible self-defense not just to European ears
13:31 < Jeske_Merensky> It isn't a credible self-defense to most Americans' ears either
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13:31 * Guerillero pays over 13 percent
13:31 < Tony_Sidaway> I wish I could say confidently that Romney doesn't stand a chance, but I sense that enough people may want a change of tune to vote for him.
13:32 < Guerillero> if you look at state, local, federal, and social security
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13:32 < Elduen> My xchat.... it... wandered off. Or something.
13:32 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: well he was talking about federal income tax specifically, here.
13:32 < Guerillero> ok
13:33 < mareklug> still, ppl who make far less than Romney can pay 30% federal
13:33 < Tony_Sidaway> But of course his declared income is probably far below his capital gains and whatnot.
13:35 < Isarra> So who would make a good adopter for a new user these days?
13:35 < sonia> not me. :p
13:36 < IDoH> I guess I'd make a good adopter, if I actually wanted to adopt a user
13:36 < BarkingFish> any passing admin, can you nail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hypertensinogen please? i created it while leaving a note for admins to deal with a csd, and the article got deleted while I was making the note :)
13:36 < Isarra> I need someone to give a guy guidance. He's familiar with wikis, but not this wiki.
13:36 < Pharos> shouldn't we encourage newbies to be adopted into a two-parent household?
13:37 < sonia> heh
13:37 < sonia> Pharos, does the sex of said couple matter?
13:37 < Elduen> I'm familiar with wikis, but not this wiki!
13:37 < Elduen> If we combined our noobiness, who knows what potential we would have.
13:37 < Guerillero> done
13:37 < Isarra> Yes, I'm referring to you.
13:37 < Elduen> Oh.
13:37 < IDoH> lol
13:38 < Pharos> that depends on the jurisdiction, sonia
13:38 < Guerillero> if I wasn't an arbcom clerk I would volunteer
13:38 < Pharos> but really we want two loving parents, male or female, human or bot
13:39 < Guerillero> but I don't want anything arbcom related to rub off on any newbie
13:39 < Isarra> I see Steven_Zhang is on the list...
13:39 < Guerillero> I don't want them to be cynics
13:39 * IDoH tries to imagine a bot being an adopter, but fails
13:39 < suicidalzerg> I just had an idea.
13:39 * Steven_Zhang is pinged
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13:39 < suicidalzerg> I want to troll a Google Autonomous Vehicle.
13:39 < MartijnH> I would love to have AnomieBot as an adopter
13:39 < Isarra> Guerillero: Perhaps you should have adopted me. I threw my adopter off by commenting on an arbcom casepage. XD
13:39 < suicidalzerg> By constantly stepping in and out of its' way making it start and stop over and over again MVGame
13:39 * Steven_Zhang doesnt know what he was pinged for though
13:39 < MartijnH> but I'm already adopted by EVula
13:39 < Steven_Zhang> evulva
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13:40 < Steven_Zhang> oops
13:40 < suicidalzerg> Steven_Zhang: LOL
13:40 < Isarra> Steven_Zhang: You want to adopt someone?
13:40 < Guerillero> aren't you an admin
13:40 < Steven_Zhang> Me?
13:40 < Isarra> EVula is awseome.
13:40 < Steven_Zhang> who :p
13:40 < MartijnH> who are we adopting?
13:40 < Pharos> a puppy!
13:40 * Isarra drags Elduen in front of everyone.
13:40 < Isarra> This guy.
13:40 < Steven_Zhang> lol
13:40 < MartijnH> ah
13:40 * Elduen blinks sleepily.
13:40 < Steven_Zhang> Hmm...
13:40 * Guerillero was never adopted and taught himself the ways of the wiki
13:41 < Steven_Zhang> Maybe...
13:41 < MartijnH> can we collectively adopt him?
13:41 < Steven_Zhang> lol.
13:41 < Pharos> mascot!
13:41 < Guerillero> I like this idea
13:41 < Elduen> But Wikipedia is big!
13:41 < Isarra> Actually, a collective adoption might work... he mostly just needs to learn the ways of enwp specifically.
13:42 < Steven_Zhang> Elduen: how does this look to you?
13:42 < Pharos> does the puppy have big sad puppy eyes?
13:42 < Steven_Zhang> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven_Zhang/Adoption
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13:43 < MartijnH> just hanging around here in -en and bouncing off whatever questions or strange thoughts you might have might be more effective than some sort of on-wiki adoption thingy though
13:43 < Elduen> Steven_Zhang: It looks... quite nifty.
13:43 * Steven_Zhang shrugs
13:44 < Elduen> Some of it will be redundant, but that's alright.
13:44 < Guerillero> Stay away from dramatic areas. These include anything under sanctions, BLPs, AN, ANI, ARB, and any other noticeboard
13:44 < Isarra> Just skip over the markup stuff and it'd do you good.
13:44 < Elduen> No, I'd still go over that.,
13:44 < Elduen> Just to see if there's anything I don't know, or that is different on enwp.
13:44 < MartijnH> but don't ever - ever - mistake an en-dash for an em-dash
13:44 < Elduen> Eh?
13:44 < MartijnH> or the MOS Cabal will have your blood
13:45 < Isarra> And don't miscapitalise 'dynasty'.
13:45 < Guerillero> Sanctions include: all of eastern europe, anything that has to do with Israel, anything that has to do with ireland
13:45 < MartijnH> and don't correct miscaptialise to miscapitalize
13:45 < Isarra> And don't ever suggest shortening policies.
13:45 < Isarra> People hate that.
13:45 < Guerillero> the names of islands in the pacific
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13:45 < MartijnH> the spelling of yoghurt
13:46 < Guerillero> scientology
13:46 < Isarra> How else would you spell it?
13:46 < Guerillero> pseudoscience
13:46 < Elduen> xD
13:46 < Guerillero> transcendental meditation and other cults
13:46 < Elduen> Yogurt.
13:46 * Elduen starts a war, starts a nuclear war.
13:46 < TBloemink> We just had a really weird earthquake in Groningen
13:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Djoghourth
13:47 -!- quanticle is now known as quanticle|away
13:47 < MartijnH> Raymond Luxury-yacht
13:47 < Elduen> My main issue with Wikipedia is that it's big. I don't feel as though I have anything useful to contribute.
13:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Unless it looks like you're summoning the Elder Gods, it isn't real Djoghourth.
13:47 < Guerillero> What are you interested in?
13:47 < Fluffernutter> did someone say Throatwarbler Mangrove?
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13:48 < Elduen> Well... a variety of things. But that doesn't /necessarily/ mean I'm knowledgeable enough about the subject to edit its WP entry.
13:48 < Steven_Zhang> dont scare the guy :)
13:48 < Pharos> Eldeun, what's the silliest hobby you have?
13:48 * Elduen puts a bucket on Pharos' head.
13:48 < Elduen> That.
13:48 < foks> Djoghourth pinged me.
13:48 < foks> (not really)
13:49 < Pharos> [[bucket-hatting]] is an undercovered topic
13:49 < MartijnH> Elduen, do you like whisky by any chance?
13:49 < Gfoley4> Edit a transit article!
13:50 < MartijnH> or more precisely, would you like to write about whisky?
13:50 < ChrisGualtieri> Steven_Zhang: Hey get my message? :/
13:51 < Isarra> Why is ANI even on my watchlist?
13:51 < Elduen> Mm, I'm not much of a drinker.
13:51 < Elduen> So if I were to write about whiskey, it's be... poor writing.
13:52 < Isarra> Well, you'd either need to find sources or they'd already be there, so accuracy shouldn't be a concern.
13:52 < Fluffernutter> Isarra: drinking game? Sip every time someone issues a personal attack, shot every time someone gets blocked, finish your drink every time someone gets banned?
13:52 < Guerillero> Can I keep that fluff
13:52 < Isarra> You can improve articles without caring about them, just make them read better...
13:52 < Elduen> You'd die of alcohol poisoning in about two minutes, wouldn't it?
13:53 < Elduen> wouldn't you*
13:53 < Isarra> Fluffernutter: How long would that last, five minutes?
13:53 < Isarra> Then we'd need an ambulance due to the poisoning.
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13:53 < Isarra> Okay, two minutes.
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13:53 < Gfoley4> call Peter-C!
13:53 * Isarra puts a cat on Gfoley4's head.
13:53 < Fluffernutter> Guerillero: we should play it at next Wikimania
13:54 < MartijnH> Elduen, if you do want to write about anything like that, I can propose a ton of articles that need to be improved, and another ton that need to be written
13:54 < Isarra> But I won't be able to go to that one!
13:54 < MartijnH> (like that being whiksy/whisky production)
13:54 * Isarra pouts.
13:54 < Guerillero> Yes! :D
13:54 < Gfoley4> Play the Today show drinking game. Drink every time a stupid travel tip is mentioned!
13:55 < Tony_Sidaway> When I first found Wikipedia and decided I wanted to edit, I just hit the "random article" button a few hundred times and cleaned up whatever mess I found there.
13:55 * MartijnH pouts
13:55 < Peter-C> I was calleD?
13:55 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a good way to get into editing.
13:55 < MartijnH> nobody wants to work on whisky articles with me
13:55 < Isarra> Now all you get when you that are obscure stubs.
13:56 * Guerillero picures fluff, Isarra, Ironholds, Gorilla Warfare, Tom Morris, The Ed and myself
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13:56 < Isarra> ...dead?
13:56 < Fluffernutter> lol Guerillero. Ironholds is impossible to get drunk. He'd kick all our asses.
13:56 < Guerillero> that could be a fun group
13:56 < Fluffernutter> also tom doesn't drink. But i bet he'd enjoy laughing at the rest of us while we did!
13:56 < Isarra> Eeeh, just get him something stronger.
13:56 < Guerillero> ah
13:56 < SudoGhost> Isarra: I clicked it to prove you wrong...I wasn't successful. I got [[Cârjoaia River]].
13:57 < Isarra> Sorry.
13:58 < Fluffernutter> now you have to improve it, SudoGhost. You click it, you bought it! Or something :P
13:58 < Pharos> that is a mighty river!
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13:58 < Pharos> it deserves more
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13:58 < Isarra> I put an image on a random river the other day, but that was because I found the random river from the image, not the other way around.
13:58 < SudoGhost> Fluffernutter: But I know nothing about the :::mumble mumble::: river in whatchacallit!
13:58 < Isarra> SudoGhost: Are there articles on it in other languages?
13:59 < Fluffernutter> that's the beauty of wikipedia editing, m'dear
13:59 < Isarra> Those are a good place to steal stuff from.
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13:59 < SudoGhost> Isarra: Those are stubs too
13:59 < mareklug> SudoGhost: for starters, you could add if it is a left or right tributary, based on a google maps/earth look
13:59 < Isarra> ...damn.
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14:00 < Isarra> What does that even mean?
14:00 < SudoGhost> Isarra: [[Left tributary#Terminology]]
14:01 < Ebe123> Is there anyone who can get the full text of http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?Volume=126&page=59&journalID=13 ?
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14:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Isarra: in 2004 most articles you got were geostubs created by some bot from an American gazetteer.
14:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Still, they were articles.
14:02 < KimiNewt> An article is an article
14:02 < KimiNewt> As articles tend to be
14:02 < Guerillero> I disagree
14:02 < Ebe123> Why?
14:03 < TAP> What've I missed?
14:03 < Isarra> 'ur mum'?
14:03 < Guerillero> http://guerillero.tumblr.com/
14:03 < Ebe123> ok
14:03 < Isarra> Oh.
14:04 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has quit [Quit: hometime]
14:04 < Isarra> How insane is it to skin mediawiki these days?
14:04 < Ebe123> very
14:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Skins are a trap. Their functionality varies. I'm stuck with Cologneblue because I've used it for years and don't know how to do much without it.
14:05 * Elduen quite likes this Vector thing.
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14:05 < Elduen> I'm also a fan of Monobook.
14:05 < BarkingFish> Elduen, YAY!
14:05 < KimiNewt> I'm on monobook
14:05 < KimiNewt> With the old logo, tool.
14:06 < BarkingFish> Someone else who likes Monobook
14:06 < KimiNewt> *too
14:06 * TAP is stuck with Vector and will never change!
14:06 < Elduen> Wikia has some convoluted, poor excuse for a skin for their wikis. It's awful.
14:06 < BarkingFish> Vector sucks nipple clamps.
14:06 < KimiNewt> I agree
14:06 < Ebe123> I use Modern
14:06 < KimiNewt> I fought vehemently against it
14:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Wasn't Monobook the original default skin?
14:06 < KimiNewt> Yes.
14:06 < Guerillero> I love vector
14:06 < BarkingFish> KimiNewt, so did I
14:06 < KimiNewt> But yeah, Monobook and the old logo
14:06 < KimiNewt> It's like nothing's changed
14:06 < KimiNewt> Change is fear. Fear is change
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14:07 < Tony_Sidaway> I just can't use Monobook or Vector. I keep reaching for buttons that simply don't exist on those skins.
14:07 < Guerillero> like what
14:07 < BarkingFish> Monobook was the original, and it's still the best. Vector is crap - the only other skin I use, is Chick - and that's only on my antiquated, out of date, HTC Wizard, primarily cause all the other skins (yes, even monobook) don't load correctly
14:07 < Tony_Sidaway> And that's why I say skins on Mediawiki are broken.
14:07 < Elduen> Isarra will agree with me on the terribleness of Wikia's skin.
14:08 < Guerillero> unencyclopedia uses vector
14:08 < Guerillero> but all others have trashy skins
14:08 < Isarra> Uncyclopedia uses monobook that looks like vector.
14:08 < SudoGhost> You guys are all crazy. Rock is clearly the best, scissors don't even compare, and paper is an overpowered POS.
14:08 < Elduen> I use Monobook on Wikia wikis.
14:09 < Elduen> It is clean and simple and efficient.
14:09 < Isarra> Wikia only offers two skins - oasis and monobook, and only oasis is allowed as the default skin on anything that isn't an uncyclopedia.
14:09 < Bradford> Isarra :)
14:10 < Elduen> She's an eggplant.
14:11 < LtNOWIS> "
14:11 < LtNOWIS> Anybody else get the feeling that the entire Enlightenment was just a mistake?
14:11 < LtNOWIS> "
14:11 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm even able to use Cologneblue on Conservapedia. But that place is so ridiculous I seldom bother.
14:11 < Elduen> Conservapedia is still around?
14:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Yep!
14:12 < Steven_Zhang> lol
14:12 < Elduen> o_0
14:12 < Steven_Zhang> yeah
14:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Still as mad as a box of frogs.
14:12 < BarkingFish> Thoughts on this one, turned up in my New Pages Feed - It has the same source for both refs, from the same place - how would you tag? More refs, more sources, or what?
14:12 < BarkingFish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyersburg_State_Gazette
14:12 * Elduen calls Poe's on that place.
14:12 < Steven_Zhang> according to conservapedia, if you even think of the word abortion, you will get 18 forms of cancer all at the same time
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14:12 < Steven_Zhang> you also get AIDS and SARS
14:12 < Elduen> And you turn gay?
14:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Elduen: not a Poe. The founder is one of the sons of Phyllis Schlafly, the antifeminist nutcase.
14:13 < Elduen> I know they're quite serious in their nutjobbery. But thinking of them as a Poe gives me a sliver of hope that we aren't dooming ourselves as a race with that nonsense.
14:13 < Guerillero> how were you not boloced before you could even edit Conservapedia
14:13 < Guerillero> blocked*
14:14 < Steven_Zhang> Elduen: and a swarm of wasps will sting you
14:14 < BarkingFish> Speaking of abortion, someone might be able to tell me, I read somewhere (and now I can't find it) that one of the ant-abortion campaigners in the US who lead some sort of weekly demonstration has popped off.
14:14 < Tony_Sidaway> I was indeed blocked before editing Conservapedia, but I contacted Ed Poor and he was kind enough to vouch for me.
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14:14 < BarkingFish> I'm sure it'll be in our newsletter from the Pro Life Foundation, but does anyone know who the fuck I'm talking about?
14:15 < Elduen> Popped off?
14:15 < Steven_Zhang> any admins around?
14:15 < Guerillero> why do you get the pro life foundation's newsletter
14:15 < Guerillero> oi
14:15 < harej> The security guard for the Family Research Council was shot, if that's what you're talking about.
14:16 < Steven_Zhang> Guerillero: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aliya_Mustafina&action=history
14:16 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: Google News says somebody called Nellie Grey has died at 88. She founded some march or other.
14:16 < BarkingFish> Elduen, turned their toes up, shuffled off the coil, etc
14:16 < Steven_Zhang> 4rr
14:16 < Elduen> Oh.
14:16 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, that's the one. I couldn't find the bloody article when I went looking :)
14:16 < Tony_Sidaway> Nellie Gray, with an "a".
14:17 < Steven_Zhang> by jackofdiamonds
14:17 < BarkingFish> and Guerillero - I'm catholic, i've always been a supporter of pro-life matters, and I get the newsletter on a monthly basis. I also donate to them.
14:17 < Guerillero> ah
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14:17 * Steven_Zhang pokes Guerillero
14:17 < Guerillero> are you a total pro life person
14:17 < Guerillero> i am reading
14:17 < BarkingFish> yes
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14:17 < Guerillero> ok
14:17 < Steven_Zhang> kk
14:17 < Steven_Zhang> '
14:17 < Guerillero> I respect that
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14:17 < Elduen> Wikipedia has diverse viewpoints? I will not stand for this.
14:18 < Guerillero> I am decideding if anyone needs to be blocked
14:18 * Elduen sits.
14:18 < Steven_Zhang> Guerillero: the jackofdiamonds guy
14:18 < Guerillero> well yes
14:18 < Steven_Zhang> he hid one of the reverts as "corrected a mistake"
14:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Gray was another antifeminist nut, apparently.
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14:19 < Steven_Zhang> actually the both of them.
14:19 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aliya_Mustafina&diff=507733553&oldid=507733370
14:19 < Pharos> i hate diverse viewpoints
14:19 < SudoGhost> Tony_Sidaway: Was he a nut because of being antifeminist, or because he did it in a nutty way?
14:19 < Steven_Zhang> they definitely broke 3RR.
14:20 < Guerillero> I only see 3 reverts
14:20 < Tony_Sidaway> SudoGhost: she. If you know me, you'll be aware that I regard opposition to human rights as fundamentally deranged.
14:20 < Guerillero> and I am looking for edit warring now
14:20 < Pharos> help! russians are kidnapping tartar gymnasts!
14:20 < Guerillero> it isn't that straight forward
14:20 < Isarra> Did someone ping me?
14:20 < Pharos> *tatar
14:20 * Elduen brofists Tony_Sidaway.
14:21 < Steven_Zhang> Guerillero: open your eyes :P
14:21 < Steven_Zhang> it was at DRN
14:21 < Steven_Zhang> and they left DRN to edit war
14:21 < Pharos> are scottish olympic athletes listed as scots playing for GB?
14:22 < Pharos> tatarstan is approximately as real(fake) a country as scotland
14:22 < Guerillero> meh
14:22 < Guerillero> I blocked both for aday
14:22 < Guerillero> I hope it puts some sense into them both
14:23 < SudoGhost> Tony_Sidaway: Well, being "antifeminist" doesn't always equate to "anti-human rights". There are always some loud people in every group that end up making the group not look at good as they should, and sometimes they become representitive of the group as a whole in the eyes of the public. Being against those loud (possibly extreme) people doesn't mean you're anti-human rights.
14:23 < Guerillero> and the idea that she isn't russian is laughable
14:23 < Pharos> some of us are just anti-human
14:23 < Tony_Sidaway> Being antifeminist is pretty definitively being anti-human rights.
14:23 < Steven_Zhang> good-o
14:24 < SudoGhost> Tony_Sidaway: There are feminists that believe that all men are rapists by default. I am against that viewpoint. That does not make me anti-human rights.
14:24 < Pharos> think of antifeminism as a glass half full!
14:24 < Pharos> you still have rights for ~50%
14:24 < Elduen> Then it depends on your definition of feminism.
14:24 < Tony_Sidaway> There are feminists who think the US President is a space alien. Doesn't mean feminism is about space aliens.
14:25 < Guerillero> Mustafina looked like she was going to break into tears the entire olympics
14:25 < mareklug> "human rights" is a cultural construct of some diversity. Surely you grant that, Tony
14:25 < Elduen> If you define it as "equal rights for women", then yes, being anti-feminist is anti-human rights.
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14:25 < harej> SudoGhost: Your opposition to a strawman is indeed brave.
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14:25 < SudoGhost> Elduen: And that's the point. If you're anti-"a specific definition of feminism" that doesn't mean you're against any definition and therefore a "nut"
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14:26 < Pharos> feminism is ALL ABOUT space aliens
14:26 < Tony_Sidaway> This a a sterile argument and I'm not going to encourage you at it.
14:26 < Pharos> don't let them tell you otherwise!
14:26 < harej> I don't think you're actually against feminism if you specify you're against some inane strawman, unless it indicates you actually do have a deep distrust of women.
14:26 < Steven_Zhang> Elduen: if youre interested drop me a line on my talk page.
14:26 * Guerillero stopped following all feminist bloggers on tumblr when he found out he was "evil" for being born with a penis and being born white and straight
14:26 < Elduen> I will in a little bit, Steven_Zhang.
14:26 < Steven_Zhang> k
14:26 < Steven_Zhang> im getting ready for work
14:27 < Steven_Zhang> my full time job :P
14:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Guerillero: you must indeed have found some very odd bloggers.
14:27 < harej> You're not evil, Guerillero, just privileged. Not a bad thing at all.
14:27 < Pharos> he lives on $3.50 an hour
14:27 < Steven_Zhang> I do not
14:27 < Steven_Zhang> :P
14:27 < Elduen> None of that makes him privileged.
14:27 < Pharos> that's modest privilege!
14:28 < Isarra> Pharos has an actual brain.
14:28 < Pharos> Guerillero earns that
14:28 < Isarra> That makes him privileged.
14:28 < Steven_Zhang> O_o
14:28 < Steven_Zhang> Guerillero: you do?
14:28 < mareklug> but upstate NY, surely that counts for something :)
14:28 < Guerillero> yes
14:28 < Pharos> thank you!
14:28 < Elduen> Isarra: Are eggplants privileged?
14:28 < Isarra> No.
14:28 < Isarra> Not until they rot, anyway.
14:28 < Guerillero> While I am privlaged
14:28 < Pharos> i am looking for someone to rent my brain out to
14:28 < Isarra> You do not want rotten eggplants thrown at you.
14:28 < Tony_Sidaway> This is why I call antifeminists nuts. It's absolutely pointless arguing with them.
14:29 < Isarra> They have nice tough skins, so they contain all the rot for months before they burst...
14:29 < BarkingFish> They're fun if you stick one under the cushion on someone's couch though, Isarra :S
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14:29 < Isarra> Why would you even...
14:29 < BarkingFish> You see them sit, you hear the pop, and it smells like the world fell out of their ass :D
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14:30 * Isarra puts a watermark on BarkingFish.
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14:31 < Guerillero> I don't need to be told how privileged I am by ivy league educated women who come from upper class backgrounds
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14:31 < SudoGhost> harej: It's only a strawman if people didn't say it.
14:31 < Isarra> I don't need to be told how underprivileged I am by people who make more money than I ever will and couldn't even repair a toaster.
14:31 < BarkingFish> Damn. Ironholds - do you know if fabrice is around tonight at all?
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14:32 < Isarra> When society as we know it ends, I KNOW WHO WILL BE ON TOP!\
14:32 < Elduen> The toaster people?
14:32 < Isarra> Because I'll be the one with the army of killer toaster bots.
14:32 < Pharos> me too!
14:32 < Elduen> Isarra: I propose an alliance. I bring with me twenty thousand undead chickens.
14:32 * Isarra gives Pharos a toaster.
14:32 < Pharos> now i am wealthy!
14:33 < Isarra> Have any regular chickens, by any chance? They're actually quite useful.
14:33 < Pharos> gather round the shiny symbol of state
14:33 < Elduen> So are undead ones.
14:33 < Elduen> Just... for different things.
14:33 < Steven_Zhang> fuckkkk
14:33 < Isarra> Indeed.
14:33 < Guerillero> And another editor retires
14:33 < Isarra> Not good eating, though.
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14:34 < Elduen> And I wouldn't want to use one as a pillow.
14:34 < Isarra> Steven_Zhang: What happened?
14:34 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: he's 12 inches away from me :)
14:34 < BarkingFish> Guerillero, who?
14:34 < Steven_Zhang> died in my video game
14:34 < BarkingFish> Aha :D I whois'd him, Ironholds - and he wasn't connected.
14:34 < Guerillero> great orange pumpkin
14:34 < Ironholds> he's not :). Waddayaneed?
14:34 < Isarra> There, there.
14:34 * Isarra hugs Steven_Zhang.
14:34 < Steven_Zhang> <3
14:35 < Isarra> Wasn't there an orange user yelling at someone on ANI yesterday?
14:35 < Pharos> orange mike is orange
14:36 < Steven_Zhang> theyre just being a diva
14:36 < Elduen> What's ANI?
14:36 < Isarra> Elduen: Drama board. Attracts divas.
14:36 < BarkingFish> Administrators Noticeboard / Incidents, Elchzard
14:36 < SudoGhost> Elduen: A dark place.
14:36 < BarkingFish> oops ^^ Elduen
14:36 < BarkingFish> sorry for the ping, Elchzard - tab completion failure on my part.
14:37 < Elduen> A kind of "Abandon hope all ye who enter here" place?
14:37 < BarkingFish> yeah
14:37 < Elduen> Like the lawyer's office at a business.
14:37 < Guerillero> why do wikipedia users dress in one color
14:37 < Elduen> Gotcha.
14:37 < BarkingFish> Several may go in, but only one will emerge, and may not survive very long after that
14:37 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish wie viele Tage bis München? :P
14:37 < Isarra> Guerillero: They're insane.
14:37 < Isarra> Same reason as why they use wikipedia.
14:37 < Pharos> Guerillero: there should be a commons category for that
14:38 < Tony_Sidaway> I think the only thing you can do with nuts is survive them. Seems to be working with the homophobes. Worth giving a go in the case of the more entrenched racism and sexism.
14:38 < Pharos> do any non-wikipedians dress in one color?
14:38 < Steven_Zhang> ANI is where we kill people, Elduen
14:38 < Elduen> >.<
14:38 < Pharos> i haven't encountered this phenomenon elsewhere actually
14:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: my daugher doesn't do Wikipedia but tends to dress in black.
14:38 < BarkingFish> WilliamH_UK, Elf tagen, und dann ich fliege zu eine neues leben :D
14:38 < Isarra> Well, actually, a lot of the killing itself happens on AN.
14:38 < Isarra> But it starts on ANI.
14:38 < Pharos> goths don't count ;)
14:39 < Isarra> Or it winds up at arbcom...
14:39 < WilliamH_UK> BarkingFish super
14:39 < Tony_Sidaway> She has been mistaken for a very pretty male goth, but she is not a goth.
14:39 < Pharos> anyway, black doesnt count, everyone in ny wears black too
14:40 < Tony_Sidaway> I wear black too, come to think of it. But usually a white shirt because black shirts are rare.
14:40 < mareklug> incl. the Orthodox
14:40 < Pharos> i guess white shouldn't count either
14:41 < Steven_Zhang> oh wow
14:41 < Tony_Sidaway> So does anybody who is not a goth wear a single colour that is not black or white?
14:41 < Steven_Zhang> gold medals are actually not gold.
14:41 < Steven_Zhang> lame.
14:41 < Tony_Sidaway> And who doesn't edit Wikipedia.
14:41 < Guerillero> no idea
14:41 < Guerillero> but orange mike and lane raspberry come to mind
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14:41 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: orange
14:41 < Pharos> ^we have two hardcore wikipedians
14:41 < Pharos> it's a trend
14:41 < Pharos> i think green is still open!
14:41 < Isarra> I sometimes wear entirely pink outfits, and this has nothing to do with my being a wikipedian.
14:41 < Isarra> Pink is just awesome.
14:42 < Pharos> you have to be more consistent
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14:42 < Isarra> Friend of mine often wears all green.
14:42 < Pharos> and then incorporate it into your username
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14:42 < Isarra> She's an art student, not a wikipedian, though.
14:42 < Tony_Sidaway> I will wear any colour trousers as long as they're moleskin or corduroy.
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14:42 < darev> hi
14:42 < Tony_Sidaway> And any colour jacket as long as it's velvet.
14:43 < Pharos> i loved green when i was a kid
14:43 < Isarra> Removing watermarks is boring.
14:43 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang]
14:43 < Isarra> Someone find me something less boring to do, please.
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14:43 < ceradon> Any WMF staffers around?
14:43 < Spitfire> Depends what you mean by staffers?
14:43 < Guerillero> they are not
14:44 < Spitfire> Stewards? Board members? Committee members?
14:44 < Pharos> indef banned users?
14:44 < Pharos> they have some authiority too
14:44 < SudoGhost> Isarra: Webcomics.
14:45 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:45 < ceradon> Paid employees of the Wikimedia Foundation, Good enough, Spitfire?
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14:45 < Isarra> Webcomics take too much effort for me to bother writing one.
14:46 < Isarra> ceradon: None are on that are paying any attention currently.
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14:46 < ceradon> Blargh
14:46 < Isarra> What are you after?
14:47 < ceradon> To verify if someone is a WMF employee.
14:47 < Guerillero> on wiki or email
14:48 < Tony_Sidaway> There is a WMF channel somewhere, isn't there?
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14:48 < Isarra> We need an automated way to verify that. O_o
14:48 < Pharos> the WMF has no employess
14:48 < Froodband> ceradon: Who?
14:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Otherwise best look for a phone/skype address.
14:48 < Pharos> it only has inmates
14:48 < ceradon> Wouldn't it be stupid to claim to be a WMF employee in the WMF's backyard.
14:48 < Isarra> Pharos, don't say that here; they're still hiring. >.>
14:49 < ceradon> figuratively.
14:49 < Isarra> People do it a fair amount, actually.
14:49 < ceradon> As in Wikipedia, etc.
14:49 < Pharos> :P
14:49 < Isarra> They're not too bright.
14:49 < Isarra> Link?
14:49 < Pharos> it's stupid, but common
14:49 < Spitfire> That'd be because stupidity is common.
14:49 < Tony_Sidaway> There is still a fairly widespread confusion about what a Wikipedia editor is, what an admin is and so on.
14:49 < Isarra> Indeed.
14:50 < ceradon> Common sense isn't common enough.
14:50 < Froodband> can someone kick "Learn_bot" from #wikipedia ?
14:50 * Isarra pokes heatherw and jorm.
14:50 < ceradon> To everyone who might want to know,
14:50 < ceradon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Simple#SPage_.28WMF.29_.E2.86.92_S_Page_.28WMF.29
14:50 -!- DoRD is now known as DoRD|away
14:50 < BarkingFish> what the fuck?
14:51 < BarkingFish> Thoughts on this please - article is titled for one person, talks about someone different - which is right? and what the hell do I do with it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Vukcevic
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14:51 < Isarra> ceradon: Oliver validated it. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:SPage_(WMF)&action=history
14:51 < Isarra> ...whatever that means.
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14:51 < BarkingFish> i can simply move that to the name of the guy in the article, can't I?
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14:52 < ceradon> BarkingFish, Yeah, Don't see a problem with that.
14:52 < BarkingFish> i do
14:53 < BarkingFish> The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid.
14:53 < mareklug> BarkingFish: there is a Petar Vukcević but he is Montenegran
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14:53 < BarkingFish> yeah, but the article is about Davor Bratić - not the other dude. It says I need admin help to fix this
14:53 < jorm> isarra: hrm?
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14:54 < Isarra> jorm: ceradon wanted a staffer.
14:54 < mareklug> the user is a newbie with 2 edits
14:54 -!- kim_bruning [~kim@2001:980:331a:1:225:22ff:fe7d:8a27] has joined #wikipedia-en
14:54 < Isarra> ...although I don't think he needs one.
14:54 < mareklug> from today
14:54 < Isarra> Anymore.
14:54 < Isarra> Or something.
14:54 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: looks like he set out to create articles for each member of a team but got lost in the cut and paste. Happens.
14:54 < jorm> ah. yeah, we're on it.
14:55 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter
14:55 < Tony_Sidaway> I'd just move the article and drop him a nice friendly welcome and thank you for contributing.
14:55 < BarkingFish> It's possible, Tony_Sidaway - i am stuck now as to what to do with it. We have an article on Petar Vukcević, and I can't move it to Davor Bratić as the page title already exists, Tony_Sidaway
14:56 < kim_bruning> hello guerilleroohai
14:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Redirect and merge.
14:56 < heatherw> Isarra: yes?
14:56 < Tony_Sidaway> SOrry not redirect, that would be pointless.
14:56 < Isarra> Nothing, nevermind.
14:56 * Isarra hugs heatherw.
14:56 < heatherw> i see
14:56 < heatherw> hi! :)
14:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Move to another page and then redirect that, and ask an admin to history merge it.
14:57 < guerillero> hey kim_bruning
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14:57 < kim_bruning> Ohai guerillero
14:58 < BarkingFish> Too complicated for me, Tony_Sidaway - I have redirected [[Petar Vukcevic]] to [[Davor Bratić]]
15:00 < mareklug> then mark this speedy [[Petar Vukcevic]]
15:00 < Isarra> RARGH.
15:00 < guerillero> bbl
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15:02 < BarkingFish> mareklug, hit as R3 - it's the only one I could see other than doing a custom CSD
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15:02 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: seems reasonable.
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15:04 < Isarra> Elduen: Edit something.
15:04 < Isarra> Now.
15:04 < Isarra> Or I'll hurt you.
15:04 < kim_bruning> Hmm, is there a noticeboard for articles that have gotten advertisingized since anyone last looked?
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15:04 < Isarra> ...and this is why I generally avoid new users.
15:04 < kim_bruning> Isarra, wikipedia is a glass half full place.
15:04 < kim_bruning> Elduen, Edit something
15:04 < kim_bruning> Now.
15:04 < kim_bruning> And I'll huggle you. :-)
15:04 < kim_bruning> (like that)
15:05 < Isarra> Half full of what?
15:05 < kim_bruning> happiness, friendliness? :-)
15:05 -!- guerillero [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
15:05 < Isarra> Not radioactive waste, I hope?
15:05 < kim_bruning> Isarra, YUM!
15:05 < Isarra> What's the other half, the opposite? Vacuum? What?
15:06 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en
15:07 < kim_bruning> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam nm, found!
15:07 < Isarra> Waitwaitwait, kim_bruning, is this how you got your hair to act the way it did?
15:08 * Elduen comes back.
15:08 < Elduen> What?
15:08 < kim_bruning> Isarra, some people say their hair has an oval cross-section, some say their hair was caught in a nuclear blast. All we know is, it's the Kim.
15:08 < Isarra> Go edit something.
15:08 < kim_bruning> Isarra, they were away editing, and now you called them back. ;-)
15:08 < Isarra> Har.
15:08 < Elduen> I have a welcome message.
15:08 < Isarra> I'm watching him.
15:08 < Isarra> I see no contributions.
15:09 < Isarra> Contribute or I'll make your hair be worthy of a Kim, and I know you are no Kim.
15:09 < Elduen> Being generally useless does that.
15:09 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh i just noticed this notice on English Wikipedia watchlist page:
15:09 < BarkingFish> Anybody know what the ISO is for Tagalog? I need to find their wikipedia :)
15:09 < Isarra> As someone who is generally useless, I could take offense at that...
15:09 < Tony_Sidaway> "Sign up for free research databases: There are 125 Credo Reference accounts available here; 250 HighBeam Research 1-year accounts available here; and 1000 Questia 1-year accounts available here. You need a 1-year old account with 1000 edits on any Wikimedia project"
15:09 < Isarra> BarkingFish: Probably ta or tg or something.
15:10 < BarkingFish> just found this, i've marked it as being in Tagalog, which I'm pretty sure it is - I just wanted a speaker to verify that i'm correct - google translate won't help me, it thinks it's Indonesian :P
15:10 < BarkingFish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WATER_FOR_ALL_REFUND_MOVEMENT_%28W.A.R.M.%29
15:10 < Isarra> Looks like tl? I dunno.
15:11 < Tony_Sidaway> It's tl
15:11 < BarkingFish> ok, thanks both of you :)
15:11 < Tony_Sidaway> I looked up the tagalog interwiki link from the enwiki Philippines article. Sounds mad but it worked.
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15:12 < Isarra> I did tl: in the search and it looked similar.
15:12 * Isarra participated.
15:12 < Elduen> I edited something.
15:12 < Elduen> Courtesy of special:random.
15:12 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, it sounds like something i'd normally do if i wasn't tired :)
15:12 < BarkingFish> by this time of night i can barely think straight
15:12 < Isarra> Elduen: Excellent.
15:13 < Isarra> Now edit something else.
15:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Elduen: great! Welcome to Wikipedia!
15:13 < Elduen> Whoopee.
15:13 * Isarra huggles Tony_Sidaway and Elduen.
15:13 < Tony_Sidaway> You're well on your way to becoming poor lost addicts like us.
15:13 < mareklug> BarkingFish: fyi, selecting Filipino in google translate results in English
15:13 < Isarra> Oh, he already is like us.
15:13 * Isarra cackles.
15:14 < Elduen> I like how most of the hits I get from Special:Random are locations or people
15:14 < Tony_Sidaway> One of us! One of us!
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15:14 < Isarra> Elduen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal#Todo
15:14 < BarkingFish> mareklug, i didn't notice that. I was looking in the T's for Tagalog :)
15:14 < Isarra> That might help.
15:14 < BarkingFish> As I said, tired. :D
15:15 < Elduen> That looks hard.
15:15 < Isarra> Just click on something.
15:16 < Tony_Sidaway> It's great this. I get tonnes more coding done when this channel is open for blather in another tmux window.
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15:16 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, whatchacoding?
15:16 < Isarra> Man, does responding to RfCs always result in being dragged into arguments?
15:16 < kim_bruning> and whats tmux stand for?
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15:16 < GorillaWarfare> Oh, kim_bruning, just saw your message in #wikipedia
15:16 < GorillaWarfare> Had my sound off, didn't notice the ping
15:17 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: fixing some C++ standards issues in the VM portion of Rubinius so that it will compile with the -pedantic flag set.
15:17 < kim_bruning> Isarra, well duh. it's a request for comments. People will comment on your comments too. And then comment on the comments to the comments, ad infinitum
15:17 < kim_bruning> GorillaWarfare, pong! :-P
15:17 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: a Ruby implementation I'm interested in working on.
15:17 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, Ha, sounds like a job for a wikipedian
15:17 * Elduen comments on fish.
15:17 < kim_bruning> pedantic ftw
15:17 < Isarra> But can't wikipedians comment without arguing? >.>
15:18 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: yes, it's a job for an obsessive!
15:18 < kim_bruning> Isarra, they SHOULD be polite to you
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15:18 < Isarra> Arguments can be polite.
15:18 < kim_bruning> ' The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
15:18 < kim_bruning> NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
15:18 < kim_bruning> "OPTIONAL" in this IRC discussion are to be interpreted as described in
15:18 < kim_bruning> RFC 2119.
15:19 < kim_bruning> Isarra, Sure. Are they arguing politely?
15:19 < Isarra> Probably.
15:19 * kim_bruning apologises to the channel, the RFC 2119 quote should have been on 1 line
15:20 < Isarra> I should start poking more RfCs and gather data.
15:20 < Tony_Sidaway> It SHOULD have been 1 line. This is RECOMMENDED. kim_bruning SHALL NOT get another warning. ;)
15:20 < kim_bruning> Isarra, are their arguments framed in such a way that you might change your views and be able to reach consensus?
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15:20 < Isarra> Not really.
15:21 < kim_bruning> kim_bruning MAY apologize (and has in fact already done so)
15:21 < kim_bruning> Isarra, oh. well, that's not entirely up to par then
15:21 < kim_bruning> Isarra, got a link?
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15:21 < Isarra> Well, maybe they were, I dunno.
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15:21 < Isarra> I'm too embarrassed to link it.
15:21 * Isarra hides.
15:21 < kim_bruning> (incidentally, for those who want to share the humor: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt )
15:22 < kim_bruning> Isarra, why are you *embarressed*. Did you say something wrong yourself?
15:22 < SteveMobile> Um
15:22 < SteveMobile> If the UK storms the Ecuador embassy
15:22 < SteveMobile> Isn't that technically an act of war?
15:22 < SteveMobile> Declaration of war.
15:22 < Isarra> kim_bruning: I had absolutely no idea what I was talking about!
15:22 < Isarra> XD
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15:23 < kim_bruning> SteveMobile, declarations of war are complicated.
15:23 < kim_bruning> Isarra, well, you're a wikipedian, you can research it, right?
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15:23 < Isarra> This. I can't really comment on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#RM_not_required
15:23 < Isarra> And I'm also lazy.
15:23 < kim_bruning> Isarra, and then you'll know exactly what you're talking about, and can write a cogent opinion
15:24 < mareklug> SteveMobile: they wouls show up with a search warrant, not storm it. UK can invoke its law suspending exterritoriality of any embassy
15:24 < SteveMobile> Well the embassy is Ecuadorean soil.
15:24 < kim_bruning> Isarra, Oh, that's that old problem
15:25 * foks is fairly sure the UK would probably beat Ecuador in a war
15:25 < Apheori> Which, laziness?
15:25 < SteveMobile> Not the point.
15:25 < kim_bruning> Isarra, oooohhh, killerchihuahua is not being entirely AGF
15:25 < mareklug> UK would beat Ecuador in football too
15:25 < mareklug> except maybe in Quito
15:25 < kim_bruning> Apheori, that problem too
15:25 < BarkingFish> SteveMobile, correction - the INSIDE of the Embassy is Ecuadoran soil - the land it's built on is still british soil.
15:26 < kim_bruning> SteveMobile, if the UK doesn't want the vienna convention to apply to them, then by all means they can storm the embassy
15:26 < foks> I love how, out of all countries, he picked Ecuador
15:26 < kim_bruning> SteveMobile, after that, everyone else may storm the UK embassies at will
15:26 < sonia> ^
15:26 < kim_bruning> SteveMobile, for some values of "at will"
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15:26 < BarkingFish> If the government choose to revoke the Embassy's diplomatic status, it simply reverts to being a building on British Soil, which the police can walk into unhindered
15:26 < kim_bruning> including risk of getting into fisticuffs with the UK
15:26 < mareklug> http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2012/0816/Ecuadorians-rally-around-decision-to-offer-asylum-for-Assange <-- looks like the ppl like it
15:26 < SteveMobile> BarkingFish: I think that's be unwise
15:26 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, yes, but there's the slight problem of that being kind of Not Done in international law
15:27 < foks> It's really weird - this whole thing is *really good* for Ecudoran politics
15:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Julian wossname will probably smuggle himself out of the embassy disguised as a small bear that loves marmalade.
15:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Or is that Peru?
15:27 < foks> they're united in disapproval of the UK
15:27 < kim_bruning> lots of people LOVE wikileaks
15:27 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, ahaha!
15:27 < kim_bruning> especially in 2nd and 3rd world countries
15:27 < BarkingFish> the problem with that is, that if the british government revoke the embassy's diplomatic status, then the chances are that other countries may try the same shit with our embassies overseas
15:27 < SteveMobile> Someone at a dinner when I told them
15:28 < SteveMobile> I work for wikipedia
15:28 < SteveMobile> They asked if it is owned by wikileaks
15:28 < SteveMobile> -_-
15:28 < BarkingFish> 0.o
15:28 < BarkingFish> brb
15:28 < SteveMobile> So I had to explain te difference
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15:29 < Moe_Epsilon> o_O
15:29 < SteveMobile> Lol
15:29 < sonia> that's typical
15:30 < sonia> SteveMobile, I got cussed out once by these Christians in the mall
15:30 < sonia> while wearing my WP hoodie
15:30 < BarkingFish> the stupidity of some people is astounding, SteveMobile
15:30 < sonia> "for supporting the destruction of our society and undermining of our governmetn"
15:30 < sonia> took me a while to realize "the demonic wiki thing" they meant was wikileaks
15:30 < dhoss> why the fuck would anyone have a WP hoodie
15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> Thee is one prominent newspaper columnist who thinks Jimmy Wales was the one accused of rape. It only became evident to me when I read her twitter feed.
15:30 < dhoss> that just screams "i have autism"
15:30 < sonia> dhoss, I do have autism
15:30 < foks> dhoss, behave, please
15:30 < GorillaWarfare> dhoss: -.-
15:30 < sonia> your point is?
15:31 < sonia> also it's a very warm hoodie and I got it for free
15:31 < foks> free?!
15:31 < foks> bugger
15:31 < SteveMobile> Lol
15:31 < GorillaWarfare> I will back her up on the fact that those hoodies are very, very warm
15:31 < sonia> it's so nice ^_^
15:31 < GorillaWarfare> Agreed
15:31 < SteveMobile> I wear my "I edit Wikipedia" shirt every Friday
15:32 < SteveMobile> Includjng today :-)
15:32 < GorillaWarfare> Right, time difference...
15:32 < sonia> I got a WP shirt at one point. In the smallest size available. It goes to halfway down my thighs.
15:32 * sonia is smallll
15:32 < foks> lolz
15:32 < SteveMobile> Omg tony Abbott is a retard
15:33 < SteveMobile> Wait
15:33 < SteveMobile> Thats an insult to disabled
15:33 < SteveMobile> People
15:33 < SteveMobile> Tony Abbott is tony Abbott.
15:33 < SteveMobile> Much worse insult :P
15:33 < Earwig> ...are you alright?
15:33 < Isarra> kim_bruning: How was he not assuming good faith?
15:34 < SteveMobile> Earwig: Im fine. Abbott
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15:34 < SteveMobile> On the other hand
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15:34 < Elduen> Oh!
15:34 < Elduen> Village Pump!
15:34 < Elduen> I get it now.
15:34 < SteveMobile> Is a douchebag cunt
15:34 < SteveMobile> Lol
15:34 * Tony_Sidaway surmises from the date and the comment about Tony Abbott. Australia!
15:35 < Elduen> Well, that only took six years.
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15:35 < kim_bruning> Your verbiage claiming an Rfc on a move is intended to obfuscate is an insult to everyone who ever created, participated in, or closed such an Rfc, and I request you retract such hostile and accusatory phrasing.
15:35 < Isarra> Elduen: And think of ANI and the other noticeboards as putting the 'dump' in it.
15:35 < foks> SteveMobile, could you calm yourself a bit?
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15:35 < SteveMobile> Lol
15:35 < Isarra> O_o
15:35 < kim_bruning> (that's a quote btw :-p)
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15:35 < Elduen> >.<
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15:35 < SteveMobile> The US should focus less on assassinating terrorists
15:35 < kim_bruning> Isarra, that doesn't look too good faithy
15:36 < kim_bruning> ohai SteveMobile are you still away?
15:36 < SteveMobile> And focus all their efforts on taking out tony Abbott
15:36 < Isarra> kim_bruning: Indeed. I missed that.
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15:36 < SteveMobile> kim_bruning: Hmm?
15:36 < Isarra> ...probably because I quit reading things as soon as people start bolding random words. >.<
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15:37 < kim_bruning> sonia, you're an actual sonia? I figured it was The Blonde Type Person who shows up from time to time. But I saw him, and he wasn't so small
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15:37 < sonia> I'm an actual sonia
15:37 < kim_bruning> sonia, at least you can wear wikipedia t-shirts as a dress (with a belt )
15:37 < SteveMobile> She is the real deal
15:37 < Demiurge1000> *the* actual sonia, in fact
15:37 < sonia> haha.
15:37 < kim_bruning> that'd work?
15:37 < sonia> and yup, people have met me
15:37 < Tony_Sidaway> I can't believe I'm actually removing surplus semicolons and commas from C++ code to comply with the standard. But I *think* it's the right thing to do to code this important.
15:37 < Elduen> Can I hide the "rate this page" thing? In Special:Preferences, perhaps?
15:38 < sonia> I'm 4'10" and rather talky
15:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Elduen: I believe there is a close button on that notice.
15:38 < Isarra> Elduen: Youcan hide the current one, but I dunno about the older rating ones.
15:38 * sonia hugs Demiurge1000
15:38 < Elduen> Notices have close buttons, but I speak of the box at the bottom of pretty much every article.
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15:38 < SteveMobile> Moo
15:38 * Demiurge1000 hugs talky sonia
15:38 < SteveMobile> sonia: Lol
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15:38 < BarkingFish> Baa :)
15:38 < SteveMobile> You're like 3"10
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15:39 < sonia> oi :(
15:39 < sonia> not quite that short
15:39 < foks> The Louis Vitton building in Seattle is the weirdest thing I've ever seen
15:39 < Tony_Sidaway> Elduen: I believe if you close one it gets the message and doesn't do it again for any article. Worth a try if you haven't already.
15:39 < SteveMobile> Lol
15:39 < sonia> foks, walked past the Louis Vuitton store here in Auckland and their window display was pink-polka-dot tentacles
15:39 < Isarra> Elduen: There is an option to hide the article feedback thing on pages. Try checking that box under Appearance.
15:39 < Elduen> "Note: Registered users may disable this feature by going to My preferences→Appearance, and checking the "Don't show the Article feedback widget on pages " box."
15:39 < Elduen> According to [[Wikipedia:Article Feedback Tool]]
15:40 < Isarra> Did you already do that?
15:40 < Elduen> Yay!
15:40 < Elduen> I just did.
15:40 < foks> sonia, this building has, like, a really thin base
15:40 < foks> it's like someone stuck a pencil in the ground
15:40 < Isarra> Whee.
15:40 < BarkingFish> Any admins on the prowl, would you please be so kind as to deal with http://enwp.org/User:Twhitguy14 - he/she is creating a load of garbage articles, all of which are getting hit for speedy. I've just dropped him a 4im for creating inappropriate pages
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15:40 < foks> sonia, that's pretty awesome though.
15:41 < foks> Ain't no Vuitton stores in Aberdeen. Obviously.
15:41 < Elduen> There's no contributions link from a nonexistent userpage :(
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15:41 < BarkingFish> Elduen, http://enwp.org/Special:Contributions/Twhitguy14
15:41 < sonia> foks, prices here are probably wack as all hell though
15:42 < Elduen> Yeah, but manually typing Special:Contributions/Username violates my laziness.
15:42 < sonia> like on the same street I found a camera shop selling my flash for $400 and it's only really worth like $70
15:42 < Isarra> There isn't a link?
15:42 < sonia> was pondering selling it back to them lol
15:42 < Isarra> I see a link.
15:42 < BarkingFish> Elduen, linking people unnecessarily when they have a keyboard violates my patience :P
15:42 < foks> Night now.
15:42 < Elduen> Ooh. I like the phrase "unsalvageably incoherent".
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15:42 < Elduen> Er.
15:42 * sonia violates BarkingFish ?
15:42 < Elduen> Unsalavageably.
15:42 < Elduen> Yeah.
15:43 < mareklug> foks http://fashiontraveler.com/storesbycity-ralph_lauren-united_kingdom-aberdeen-34450-0.htm
15:44 < BarkingFish> Elduen, unsalvageably incoherent is simply a polite way of saying "a blind monkey could probably do this better without a dictionary"
15:44 < Elduen> One thing I've learned about Wikipedia is that there are many templates.
15:44 < BarkingFish> :)
15:44 < Elduen> Indeed. :3
15:44 < Isarra> Elduen: There is too a contributions link.
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15:45 < Elduen> On this, Isarra? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Twhitguy14
15:45 < Isarra> Yes.
15:45 < Isarra> In the toolbox.
15:45 < Elduen> Oh.
15:45 < Isarra> Right where it's supposed to be.
15:45 < Elduen> The toolbox that's collapsed by default.
15:45 < Elduen> Which it shouldn't be. Can I fix that?
15:45 < Isarra> Uncollapse it and it should remember.
15:46 < Elduen> Joy.
15:46 < Isarra> Although yes, that's stupid.
15:46 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, what would Ironholds say?
15:47 < Isarra> The toolbox is full of tools that we use and such; denying our clueless people it is mean!
15:47 * Isarra sniffles.
15:47 < kim_bruning> Isarra, amen
15:47 * Isarra emits an aura of cluelessness.
15:47 < BarkingFish> ,
15:47 < BarkingFish> .
15:47 < BarkingFish> ,
15:48 < BarkingFish> bollocks, sorry
15:48 < Isarra> `
15:48 < BarkingFish> what would ironholds say about what, kim_bruning?
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15:48 * BarkingFish had his fingers on the wrong part of the keyboard, working in the dark :)
15:48 < sonia> are we replacing WWJD with what would ironholds do now then?
15:48 < sonia> cause I'm not sure that's any more healthy a metric.
15:49 < Isarra> And Elduen, there are so many templates I had to write myself a js to collapse the list of templates that appears when editing things just so I could get past it. >.>
15:49 < Elduen> ^^;
15:49 < BarkingFish> sonia, it might be better than WWJD :) At least with Ironholds, you do get a sensible suggestion
15:49 < Isarra> I'll grant this was mostly for commons, but enwp is pretty bad too.
15:49 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, "a blind monkey could probably do this better without a dictionary"
15:49 < sonia> BarkingFish, most of the time I'm fairly sure it would be "make a witty comment"
15:50 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, and also an amusing one.
15:50 < Isarra> Elduen: Guess how many templates this uses. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DzKK_BG_(58).jpg
15:50 < BarkingFish> he'd probably agree with me, kim_bruning
15:50 < Elduen> Before opening the file?
15:50 < Elduen> I guess seven.
15:50 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, wouldn't he be able to emphsize it?
15:51 < Isarra> Elduen: 40.
15:51 < Elduen> Three.
15:51 < Elduen> What?
15:51 < BarkingFish> I don't know, kim_bruning
15:51 < Isarra> Open it for editing. Seriously.
15:51 * Elduen clicks edit, scrolls down.
15:51 < Elduen> o.o
15:51 < BarkingFish> I'm used to compacting and simplifying things, kim_bruning
15:51 < Isarra> The templates are nested and whatnot, largely for translability, but the end result is scary.
15:52 < Elduen> That image has so many templates, I now need some lunch.
15:52 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, maybe you're right and he couldn't make it more fun ;-)
15:52 < Demiurge1000> Wonder if "Peter Holm, Legal Intern, Wikimedia Foundation" will work for Assange after he works for WMF. His former username would seem to be a good starting point :)
15:52 < BarkingFish> I don't know - he most likely would make it more fun. Ironholds can liven anything up :D
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15:53 < Isarra> Elduen: Of course, the cool thing is you can do this and most of the templates are in turkish too. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DzKK_BG_(58).jpg?uselang=tr XD
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15:54 < Isarra> Although it's probably a sign that I need to get out more that I find that cool...
15:54 < Sven_Manguard> What are we talking about?
15:55 < Isarra> Sven_Manguard: Templates!
15:55 < Sven_Manguard> Using Ironholds as a metric for what?
15:55 < Isarra> Everything!
15:55 < Isarra> Cake!
15:55 * Isarra upends a pile of eels on Sven_Manguard.
15:55 < sonia> "this boat is 100 Ironholds long"
15:55 < Isarra> That's not very long.
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15:55 < sonia> nope.
15:55 < Sven_Manguard> The difference between Ironholds and Jimbo is that Ironholds has a slightly smaller ego and is significantly better at hiding it.
15:56 < sonia> eh, not sure about that
15:56 < Isarra> I have nothing polite to say to that.
15:56 < Fluffernutter> also fluffier hair
15:56 < Elduen> Well, TIL about ?uselang.
15:56 < Sven_Manguard> Also, when Ironholds talks about things other than free culture, he comes across as less of an idiot than Jimbo. Jimbo cannot talk about anything other than free culture without coming across as a fourth grader trying to engage in policy debate based off of listening to half a Fox News report.
15:57 < sonia> it seems to be a common problem with the highly intelligent that their ego is a wee bit bipolar - self worth is low as all hell, but they come across as arrogant
15:57 < Sven_Manguard> You're right, I have very low self worth.
15:57 < Sven_Manguard> (You see what I did there)
15:57 < Elduen> Highly intelligent people have greater self-esteem problems?
15:57 < sonia> <_<
15:57 < Isarra> Intriguing; did dir get merged into the uselang thing?
15:58 < Sven_Manguard> Isarra: I love it when you talk dirty like that :P
15:58 * Isarra cuddles mediawiki.
15:58 < Isarra> Sven_Manguard: Dirty?
15:58 < Isarra> What?
15:58 < sonia> it's a bit of a swing between "oh for fuck's sake you people why don't you understand this" and "christ I'm so smart I really should be better than this, I'm useless"
15:58 < Isarra> How is this dirty?
15:58 < Sven_Manguard> merge your lang
15:58 < noommos> Is there an associated log event for Article feedback posts?
15:58 < Isarra> This means rtl languages have more proper support!
15:58 < Sven_Manguard> noommos: if it exists, I haven't found it yet
15:58 < Sven_Manguard> Isarra: hell yeah proper support :P
15:58 < Isarra> And variable support!
15:58 * Sven_Manguard will stop now
15:58 < Moe_Epsilon> i've always wondered but never asked, is there a particular reason the <ref> and </ref> tags aren't within citation templates?
15:58 < Isarra> Variability is sexy.
15:59 < Demiurge1000> sonia: I think Scott Adams had some term for it, but I forget what
15:59 < noommos> Sven: only seems to log actions
15:59 < sonia> Moe_Epsilon, because some people have non-inline citations formatted with those
15:59 * Isarra dunks Sven_Manguard.
15:59 < Sven_Manguard> Moe_Epsilon: Yes, because if the citation template breaks, then it won't break *all* the references on display
15:59 < Demiurge1000> sonia: The idea being, the more thick people are, the less they realise they're thick...
15:59 < sonia> Demiurge1000, I've met many highly intelligent people and this seems ot be the trend.
15:59 < Isarra> THIS IS SEXY. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DzKK_BG_(58).jpg?uselang=fa
16:00 < Moe_Epsilon> true
16:00 < Demiurge1000> sonia: They weren't actually intelligent, you were just projecting :P
16:00 < sonia> o_O
16:00 < sonia> nah, I have a bit of a fetish for intelligence
16:00 * SigmaWP bites Elduen
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16:01 < sonia> Demiurge1000, also, I'm not that smart :P
16:01 < sonia> I'm fairly sure I"m positively vapid next to most pedians
16:01 < Demiurge1000> You will develop intellectually as you grow taller
16:01 < Demiurge1000> It gives you a different viewpoint on the world
16:01 < sonia> only regarded as intelligent now because most people my age here are kind of idiots
16:01 < sonia> Demiurge1000, :(
16:01 < sonia> I stopped growing like four years ago
16:02 < Demiurge1000> oh :(
16:02 < Demiurge1000> well, stand on a stool then
16:02 < mareklug> Isarra: you like that lithe Turkish corvette, dontcha
16:02 < sonia> :P
16:02 < Isarra> mareklug: I mean the mediawiki.
16:02 < mareklug> :)
16:02 < Isarra> MEDIAWIKI.
16:02 < IRWolfie-> why don't MfD's follow the usaul 7 day AfD routine?
16:02 < Isarra> It's a complete ruddy horror, but it's also sexy.
16:02 < kim_bruning> sonia, don't forget imposter syndrome
16:02 < Isarra> Because they don't categorise well.
16:03 < Isarra> What's why they're miscellaneous.
16:03 < kim_bruning> sonia, you have an IQ over 100?
16:03 < kim_bruning> :-P
16:03 < Bsadowski1> :o
16:03 < Bsadowski1> orly
16:03 * Bsadowski1 hugs sonia and Isarra :)
16:03 < Bsadowski1> o:
16:03 < sonia> kim_bruning, last I was tested was age 10 but it was about 158 then
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16:04 < SigmaWP> sonia: Hi!
16:04 < sonia> probably less now ;p
16:04 < sonia> hi SigmaWP!
16:04 < kim_bruning> sonia: being small is awesome, you don't need to eat as much, you sometimes can get away with paying less taxi fares, etc
16:04 < sonia> and I actually have legroom on planes!
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16:04 < kim_bruning> sonia, your brain is like a muscle though
16:04 < sonia> I cannot even reach halfway up a whiteboard though
16:04 < kim_bruning> sonia, you have to exercise it ;-)
16:04 < kim_bruning> sonia, technology can fix all the downsides\
16:04 < kim_bruning> sonia, but cannot provide the upsides to those who are big :-P
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16:05 < sonia> :P
16:05 * kim_bruning is mildly jealous, though I'm mid-sized
16:05 < sonia> eh, it'd be easier to be read as male if I were a wee bit taller
16:05 < sonia> also not to end up in a whole pile of cans that fell off the shelf when I tiptoed and tried ot reach one
16:06 < kim_bruning> do you normally want to be read as male?
16:06 < sonia> but otherwise it's pretty neat
16:06 < sonia> sometimes.
16:06 < sonia> the nick ain't helping, I know :p
16:06 < kim_bruning> I thought you were MzMcbride
16:06 < kim_bruning> at first
16:06 < kim_bruning> who happens to be male :-P
16:06 < sonia> heh. :P
16:06 < sonia> no, I'm not shirley
16:06 < kim_bruning> (he discovered ye olde Blonde On the Intertubes effect)
16:07 < kim_bruning> he's pretty young though, so may yet "grow out of it"
16:07 < kim_bruning> or into it
16:07 < kim_bruning> come to think of it
16:08 < kim_bruning> sonia, shirley not? :-P
16:08 < sonia> :P
16:08 < kim_bruning> sonia, hmm, you're somewhere in the middle then?
16:08 < kim_bruning> qua gender id? (if I may ask, ... else tell me to shut up)
16:08 < sonia> fluid, I guess. gender-agnostic is how someone described me. I guess it's not so much "read as male" as "read as anything but female" that would be nice.
16:09 < kim_bruning> ha
16:09 < kim_bruning> I'm gender agnostic online, fwiw. (about 0.00 cts)
16:09 < kim_bruning> :-P
16:09 < kim_bruning> do you manage to get read as male sometimes?
16:10 < sonia> on occasion.
16:10 < Sven_Manguard> you must have cut your hair short then
16:11 < Sven_Manguard> the one photo of you I've seen you had hair that was way too long to pass as male with
16:11 < sonia> ha.
16:11 * Apheori puts Sven_Manguard in a pink dress and parades him around.
16:11 < sonia> yeah, um, one sec
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16:11 < Apheori> Longer than jorm's hair?
16:11 < Sven_Manguard> Apheori: I'm not gender neutral.
16:11 < Apheori> No, you're just adorable.
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16:11 * Apheori cuddles Sven_Manguard.
16:12 < Sven_Manguard> You wanna get cut punk?
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16:12 < Sven_Manguard> Oh, it's SarahStierch!
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16:12 < sonia> this is the first time I"ve heard Sven called adorable
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16:17 < Sven_Manguard> Does anyone here know Pokemon?
16:17 < BarkingFish> Ok, I want some opinion from people, if you don't mind helping me. Say you see an editor, whose previous contributions are all good, suddenly start spouting crap at a rate of knots and posting articles which are somewhere between bullshit and total garbage. Would your first thought be: They've turned into a vandal; their account's been hacked by someone else; or they're possibly stoned or EUI?
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16:17 < BarkingFish> Sven_Manguard, heard of them, don't know fuck about them though
16:18 < Sven_Manguard> BarkingFish: first or second
16:18 < Sven_Manguard> not third
16:18 < BarkingFish> Sven_Manguard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Twhitguy14
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16:18 < Sven_Manguard> I've worked with stoned people, it makes them giddy but not total morons
16:18 < mareklug> they may be ill
16:18 < BarkingFish> Other contribs have been ok, yesterday though they must have got about 6 or 7 speedies against them
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16:19 < Apheori> Drunk people tend to vary more - some otherwise good editors will vandalise while drunk.
16:19 < Sven_Manguard> BarkingFish: I'm not an admin, I can't see deleted contribs
16:19 < Apheori> Others will be total dicks at anyone or anything they encounter...
16:19 < Sven_Manguard> unless it's Commons
16:19 < Demiurge1000> EggCentric is one of the few that is often quite clear and open about when he is, or has been, editing while drunk. Picked up a few blocks for it as well, I think
16:19 < Apheori> Other still can actually become nicer while drunk.
16:20 < BarkingFish> I'm tending to lean towards the possibility their account's being misused - they look like they were doing good work, but their last few pieces have not been in their writing style, and they've been utter cobblers
16:20 < GorillaWarfare> Compromised account?
16:20 < BarkingFish> I'm happy to AGF, that's why I'm not immediately suggesting they're a vandal - i have warned for creating inappropriate pages thoguh.
16:20 < BarkingFish> GorillaWarfare, it's quite possible
16:21 < BarkingFish> since you're an admin, you may be able to see the difference between their styles on the stuff which still exists, and the things that got speedied on the 16th
16:21 < GorillaWarfare> The stuff on the 16th was pure vandalism
16:21 < BarkingFish> i have no hesitation in suggesting that they may not be written by the same person
16:22 < GorillaWarfare> Keymashing and a joke page
16:22 < BarkingFish> yeah, exactly. Go back to the 15th and it was relatively good
16:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I've actually looked at edits I know for a fact I did while drunk. I can't tell the difference.
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16:22 < Tony_Sidaway> Maybe someone else who knows me sober might be able to detect a change.
16:23 < BarkingFish> can you see why I'm suspecting the possibility of a compromised account, GorillaWarfare?
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16:23 < GorillaWarfare> Yes
16:23 < GorillaWarfare> But he's had vandalistic speedies before
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16:23 < GorillaWarfare> On the 10th
16:24 < BarkingFish> the thing is, what do you do in that situation? It'd be unfair to block the guy, based on the fact some other knob-end could be using his account, but at the same time, you don't want it sitting there in a shared state
16:24 < BarkingFish> again, I can't see those contribs, GW, but the possibility is still there
16:24 < GorillaWarfare> Well, it's fair to block him if it's compromised
16:24 < Demiurge1000> if it's compromised, then it gets blocked
16:24 < sonia> `block them unti l they can establish complete ownership
16:24 < Elduen> Ooh, WP disallows images, templates, and external links in sigs. I like this.
16:24 < BarkingFish> Demiurge1000, do we need to prove it's compromised though?
16:24 < BarkingFish> or can it be on reasonable suspicion?
16:25 < Demiurge1000> not if it's turned vandalism-only ... but that seems not the case, just yet
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> But this is a weird case
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16:25 < Demiurge1000> blocking on reasonable suspicion is not always a great idea :)
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> Where it's a lot of pretty good edits, and a couple of unquestionably bad ones
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> But interspersed
16:25 < kim_bruning> Elduen, I could throw in a 2000 character native svg?
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> Ande completely unrelated
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> *And
16:25 < Tony_Sidaway> He's probably just bored. Some people look at Wikipedia and get a bad impression and become vandalistic.
16:25 < Elduen> As a complete noob to WP, does it even matter whether the account is compromised? If it's vandalizing, block it either way.
16:26 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, if he's bored, it looks like manic boredom. Some stuff is brilliant, other stuff he's posted is giblets in the nth degree
16:26 < GorillaWarfare> Elduen: He's also making good edits
16:26 < Elduen> Right, but that doesn't excuse vandalism, does it?
16:26 < BarkingFish> I don't think if he intended to contribute properly, he'd vandalize in his downtime, or his other stuff would be liable to get knobbled too
16:26 < Apheori> You could block it and demand an explanation on the talkpage...
16:26 < Apheori> Of course, you could do that without blocking it too.
16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Elduen: No, but it could just warrant a warning instead of a block
16:27 < BarkingFish> Apheori, as Demiurge1000 says though - blocking on suspicion is not always a good idea
16:27 < Elduen> Well yeah
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16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Whereas a compromised account is a no-questions-asked block
16:27 < Elduen> I assume any instance of blocking is accompanied with a warning
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16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Elduen: Warning before the block, I mean
16:27 < Demiurge1000> not always
16:27 < Apheori> BarkingFish: Nonsense! Blocking is always a good idea! In face we should block everyone!
16:27 < Sven_Manguard> oh, hey GorillaWarfare
16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Heya Sven_Manguard
16:28 < Earwig> I had a horrible dream a few nights ago where I vandalized the site for some reason I don't even know
16:28 < BarkingFish> if we can prove the account is compromised, GW - and at the moment, I am almost certain it is. But since I can't put that 100% on it, I have to AGF and say it's possible he's left himself logged in, and someone has misused his account
16:28 < Earwig> got blocked and desysopped
16:28 < Earwig> it was the worst thing ever
16:28 < Elduen> Let's start with Apheori.
16:28 < BarkingFish> Elduen, +1 to that :)
16:28 < GorillaWarfare> BarkingFish: I would guess that as well, except for the random vandalism on the 10th as well
16:29 < Apheori> Fine, block all my alternate accounts, then. Meanies.
16:29 < Elduen> We do it out of love.
16:29 < BarkingFish> could be that he lives with other people, and he could have left himself logged in on more than one occasion
16:29 < GorillaWarfare> Perhaps
16:29 < Elduen> BarkingFish: But then, isn't it still his responsibility to secure his account?
16:30 < BarkingFish> I've done that before, thankfully been able to stop it though - I left myself logged in on my tpi admin account from my local library one day, and it was only a rapidly placed phone call to the library manager that stopped someone misusing it
16:30 < BarkingFish> Elduen, yes, it is. But things do slip from people's minds, everyone forgets stuff once in a while
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16:30 < GorillaWarfare> BarkingFish: Public alt accounts ftw
16:30 < GorillaWarfare> Brb
16:30 -!- GorillaWarfare is now known as GW|AFK
16:30 < BarkingFish> yeah, unfortunately I can't have administrative perms added to a second account, GW
16:31 < BarkingFish> I have my public accounts, sure - but if I want to use the admin functions, I need to log in on the main account
16:31 * BarkingFish shuffles off for 5 minutes to get some coffee and some food
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16:38 < Sven_Manguard> My account is Sven Manguard. My public account is This is also Sven Manguard.
16:38 < Sven_Manguard> I'm seriously considering renaming Svenbot into "A bot operated by Sven Manguard"
16:38 < BarkingFish> and there we go. me+coffee+cheese sandwich = peace and a full stomach :)
16:39 < Sven_Manguard> or "This bot is also Sven Manguard"
16:40 * sonia blinks
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16:40 * sonia has sonia, openstrings, openbot, and a sekrit sock
16:40 -!- euphoria is now known as ceradon-away
16:41 < BarkingFish> as long as all of those are marked as legit socks, (barring the secret one, which really shouldn't be secret), you're ok
16:41 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, you are also a tad silly ;-)
16:41 < sonia> they are
16:42 < sonia> [[user:sonia/sockfarm]] I believe
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16:42 < sonia> BarkingFish, afaik having a non-linked sock for specific purposes (i.e. where linking to real account would cause harm to real-world life or reputation), where disclosed to arbcom, is ok
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16:43 < BarkingFish> to be honest, I can't remember what accounts I have, other than BarkingFish - i thought I had one for mobile edits, but can't recall what I named it
16:43 < sonia> barkingmobile? :P
16:43 < BarkingFish> yes I do :) [[User:MobileFish]]
16:43 < sonia> haha! close!
16:44 < Sven_Manguard> hmmm
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16:44 < Sven_Manguard> User:BarkingSquirrel
16:44 < BarkingFish> the prob I have now, is I can't remember my password to that account, and I don't think I set an email address on it
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16:45 < BarkingFish> That account isn't registered, Sven_Manguard :)
16:45 < Sven_Manguard> The password to my main account requires a biometric scan... of my nose
16:46 < mareklug> http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2012/08/16/chinese-cars-recalled-in-australia-for-asbestos/
16:46 < Sven_Manguard> oh my
16:47 < Sven_Manguard> new-zealand-cars-recalled-in-australia-for-kiwi-feathers
16:47 < sonia> o_O
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16:47 < Sven_Manguard> :P
16:47 < Sven_Manguard> american-cars-recalled-in-australia-for-logan-cooties
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16:51 < juzdh> !admin Can my band become featured on the main page?
16:51 < SigmaWP> juzdh: If it's a featured article.
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16:51 < juzdh> ¿ǝɹns noʎ
16:51 < BarkingFish> everyones-cars-recalled-everywhere-for-being-pollution-belching-rustbuckets :/
16:52 < SigmaWP> BarkingFish: That would be amazing
16:53 < BarkingFish> yeah - wouldn't hurt, SigmaWP - we managed to get around before the fucking things came along, why can't we do it again :)
16:53 < SigmaWP> Don't you love the smell of the reactionary morning air? :D
16:54 < BarkingFish> juzdh, either type properly, so we can read it, or take your troll ways to another channel. Using the admin ping is for emergencies, not general questions, and I'm not standing on my bloody head to read what you type.
16:54 < BarkingFish> Shape up, or ship the hell out.
16:54 < Sven_Manguard> ...
16:54 < SigmaWP> Well said, BarkingFish
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16:56 < SigmaWP> jorm is gone
16:56 < Fluffernutter> BarkingFish, were you ever in the military? I just totally pictured you as a drill sargeant
16:57 < SigmaWP> Man the lifeboats
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16:58 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, I was in the territorial army for a couple of years - got as far as being a corporal, and that was it.
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16:59 < BarkingFish> i got discharged when I had a seizure at the drill hall and bounced off the concrete floor :)
16:59 < suicidalzerg> We must be having one hell of a Yellowjacket epidemic here...
16:59 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
16:59 < BarkingFish> suicidalzerg, why?
16:59 < suicidalzerg> Because every single store in a 13 mile radius of our house is out of wasp spray
16:59 < BarkingFish> holy crap.
17:00 < BarkingFish> Tried making a bait trap for them?
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17:01 < Bsadowski1> What is with society nowadays?: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/us-usa-louisiana-shooting-idUSBRE87F0RA20120816
17:01 < Bsadowski1> :(
17:01 < Bsadowski1> "Two officers killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting"
17:01 < Bsadowski1> :/
17:01 < BarkingFish> I do that here, cause I don't like using chemicals sprayed around the house - I get a large coffee jar, and mix 1 cup of sugar, a pint of warm water, and some liquid insecticide.
17:01 < Demiurge1000> society has too many guns, I guess
17:02 < SigmaWP> Society is unraveling before 21 December
17:02 < BarkingFish> Bsadowski1, oh damn. 2 more for /r/lineofduty :(
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17:04 * BlastHardcheese sprays BarkingFish with dihydrogen monoxide
17:05 < noommos> no copyright issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pre-eclampsia&oldid=507701266
17:05 -!- ForABetterWorld [~Twiner@c-75-68-114-141.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en
17:05 < ForABetterWorld> http://guardianlv.com/2012/08/why-america-needs-gary-johnson/ http://www.garyjohnson2012.com
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17:05 < Bsadowski1> SPAM
17:06 < Bsadowski1> Someone ban him :3
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17:08 * Fluffernutter bans Bsadowski1
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17:09 < juzdh> !admin i have a question
17:09 < Fluffernutter> juzdh, I believe you've been told not to do that
17:10 < Fluffernutter> I suggest you consider listening
17:10 < juzdh> Then who the hell are you?
17:10 < Fluffernutter> Name is Fluffernutter. Nice to meet ya.
17:10 < Demiurge1000> She's a sandwich.
17:11 < juzdh> A delicious sandwich, but i won't eat Fluffernutter anyways.
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17:11 < Fluffernutter> It's not recommended to eat the admins, so that's probably a good call
17:11 < Demiurge1000> nom nom nom?
17:11 < GorillaWarfare> Yes, please don't eat the admins...
17:12 < juzdh> no booty calls for me, thank you.
17:12 * GorillaWarfare inches back
17:12 * sonia eats Fluffernutter
17:12 < Fluffernutter> aw sonia, you're setting a bad example!
17:12 * kylu waves atta Sonia and Fluff.
17:12 * sonia gets dragged to ANI?
17:12 -!- Harpagornis [~Lucas@wikimedia/Harpagornis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:12 < kylu> (and anyone else vaguely cool)
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17:13 < juzdh> ANI, where hell is.
17:14 < Demiurge1000> It's near Slough.
17:15 < juzdh> Is that over there?
17:15 < juzdh> I wonder if WP:ANI has a background music?
17:15 < Demiurge1000> Imperial March would do it
17:15 < juzdh> not the grunting noises made by Fluffernutter when she moves around?
17:16 < Demiurge1000> bye bye juzdh
17:16 < kim_bruning> Ohai Kylu
17:17 < kim_bruning> you can't possibly be waving at me then
17:17 < kim_bruning> I'm not vaguely cool ;-)
17:17 < kylu> 'lo kim
17:17 < juzdh> am i even vaguely cool?
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17:17 < Fluffernutter> no
17:17 < juzdh> i wear sandals, without socks.
17:17 < kylu> juzdh: references to grunting noises immediately disqualify you, sorry.
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17:18 < juzdh> i wear long sleeve shirts under short sleeve shirts under long sleeve shirts
17:18 < kylu> kim_bruning: I saw a little brown skirt that had your name on it, yesterday :D
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17:18 < juzdh> kylu, the grunting noises when you fuck another person?
17:19 < GorillaWarfare> ...
17:19 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o Fluffernutter] by ChanServ
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17:19 < GorillaWarfare> <3
17:19 < BarkingFish> I wondered how long that would take :)
17:19 < Bsadowski1> Yeah, what a troll.
17:19 < kylu> getting banned for stupidity does it also.
17:19 * Fluffernutter was being extra-nice
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17:19 < Bsadowski1> That was a harsh comment they made about you, Fluffernutter :(
17:20 * Bsadowski1 hugs
17:20 < kim_bruning> kylu, I'm not sure any of my currently active persona's could wear it :-P
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17:21 * suicidalzerg sets his last resort, a wasp trap
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17:21 < suicidalzerg> A bottle with the top cut off and inverted, with a mix of sugar, and soapy water
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17:21 < kylu> why would you want to catch wasps?
17:21 < BarkingFish> yup, that'll do it.
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17:22 < suicidalzerg> If it doesn't catch wasps, it will certainly catch flies... I brought it near one and it immediately flew in and proceeded to drown itself.
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17:23 < Lubaf> Question: Is Nike's "Gold Digger" t-shirt for women, released during the Olympics, in good taste?
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17:24 < kim_bruning> Lubaf, proooooooooobably not
17:24 < kim_bruning> why?
17:24 < Lubaf> kim_bruning: No reason.
17:25 < kim_bruning> orly?
17:25 < Lubaf> (Really, I just want my own prejudices confirmed, but I'm not going to say what they are.)
17:25 < Lubaf> kim_bruning: Was it in bad taste?
17:25 < suicidalzerg> kylu: Because stores in 3 seperate cities are out of wasp spray
17:26 < kim_bruning> Lubaf, likely bad taste
17:26 < kylu> ...I just let them land on my hand, then take them outside.
17:26 < Lubaf> Anybody else?
17:26 < kim_bruning> suicidalzerg, or maybe the wasp spray is ineffective
17:26 < suicidalzerg> kylu: you... WHAAAAAAAAA?
17:27 < suicidalzerg> kim_bruning: RAID wasp spray has always killed them for us... until the stores ran out of that...
17:27 < kylu> I get along fine with wild animals, so I don't worry about them stinging me.
17:27 < suicidalzerg> Then we tried other brands , and th ey didn't do jack shit. And then the stores ran out of those even quicker than they did the RAID
17:27 -!- Miniz [~hi@2001:0:4137:9e76:38b3:eb8:51a3:2796] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:27 < kylu> As a kid I'd pick up crab apples and pick the bees off and play with them, never got stung.
17:27 < kylu> (play with the bees, not the apples)
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17:28 < kim_bruning> srsly?
17:28 < suicidalzerg> Well, I despise wasps
17:28 < suicidalzerg> Perhaps it's because I got stung when I was little, and it hurt like the sweaty depths of hell.
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17:29 < suicidalzerg> And perhaps it's also the fact that my best childhood friend goes into anaphylactic shock every time he gets stung, and I had to take him to the hospital once.
17:29 < Canada> Lubaf: I took that "D" for an "N"...
17:29 < suicidalzerg> (The hospital visit was 1 sting before he started going into that, that is.)
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17:30 < Lubaf> Canada: Now that's just a completely different issue, and you know it.
17:30 < Canada> it also doesn't even make sense :p
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17:31 < mareklug> the t-shirt actually says "Gold Digging"
17:31 < suicidalzerg> Ah, the things that people do for Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stechende_Biene_12a.jpg
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17:32 < BlastHardcheese> digging for nose gold?
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17:33 < BarkingFish> ew
17:33 < suicidalzerg> This guy... really loves bees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drohnenpuppen_79d.jpg
17:33 < BarkingFish> Mining for the great green glob of gooeyness which can only be found in the caves of Upper Nostrilia
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17:37 < suicidalzerg> He even got a barnstar for it, lol
17:37 < BarkingFish> brb gotta restart xchat
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17:41 < SigmaWP> Is openstrings similar to opensuse?
17:42 < openstrings> ...not at all?
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17:43 * kylu pounces openstrings, cuddle. Much more fun than OpenSUSE.
17:43 * openstrings snuggles!
17:43 < Tony_Sidaway> s/use/trings/g
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17:44 < Sven_Manguard> It's so cute! http://ja.netbeans.org/nekobean/
17:44 < Sven_Manguard> I have no idea what it is though?
17:44 < kylu> kitty version of the netbeans mascot. c.c
17:45 < Sven_Manguard> what's netbeans?
17:46 < kylu> way to develop apps using java, see netbeans.org that you kinda sorta linked to already.
17:46 < mareklug> Fully-featured Java IDE written completely in Java, with many modules available, such as: debugger, form editor, object browser, CVS, emacs integration, ...
17:46 < SigmaWP> mareklug: And don't forget, it doesn't have Python support!
17:46 < mareklug> ha ha
17:47 < openstrings> oh while people are here then!
17:47 < openstrings> I'm using eclipse and it is a tedious pain in the arse.
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17:48 < openstrings> is netbeans any better?
17:48 < SigmaWP> openstrings: What language?
17:48 < Earwig> both are tedious pains in the arse
17:48 < openstrings> SigmaWP, java obv.
17:48 < SigmaWP> Oh
17:48 < openstrings> I use geany for non-giant-projects or non-neeeding-debugger shit
17:48 < Earwig> geany! :D
17:49 < openstrings> geany is nice.
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17:49 * openstrings hugs Earwig
17:49 < SigmaWP> Well, there's komodo, but it's proprietary
17:50 * openstrings grumbles, wishes someone would fork eclipse and streamline its UI, but then that would involve someone having to go through all the existing stuff for eclipse and she wouldn't wish that on anyone
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17:51 * kylu spoilt, has xcode. c.c
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17:51 < kim_bruning> ohai fae!
17:51 < kim_bruning> openstrings, vi no good?
17:52 < kim_bruning> openstrings, oh, you're sonia again :-)
17:52 < openstrings> yes, I am :P
17:52 * kim_bruning pokes Fae
17:52 < kim_bruning> Brooke, see, sonia is much better at this than you are...
17:52 * SigmaWP bites kylu
17:52 < kim_bruning> well, either that, or you two should just swap nicks ;-)
17:52 < openstrings> wait what?
17:52 < SigmaWP> openstrings: If you're on OSX I would advise you to examine chocolat
17:52 < kim_bruning> openstrings, Nothing! O:-)
17:53 < kim_bruning> openstrings, Eclipse is a huge PITA
17:53 * kim_bruning recalls something like upgrade options in the help menu or something
17:53 * kim_bruning shudders
17:53 < openstrings> SigmaWP, xubuntu
17:53 < kim_bruning> thank the source I don't need to touch it these days
17:53 < SigmaWP> ah
17:54 < kim_bruning> openstrings, srsly? Good Choice
17:54 < kim_bruning> openstrings, compiz? ^^;;
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17:54 < kim_bruning> yw, ty ;-)
17:54 < kim_bruning> ohai too
17:54 < kim_bruning> Fae, long time no see :-)
17:55 < ty> Hai kim_bruning!
17:55 < openstrings> kim_bruning, I use this for everything bar ps/lightroom - it's just such a nice OS
17:55 < kim_bruning> openstrings amen
17:55 < kim_bruning> I use it on my laptops anyway
17:55 < jorm> shut your mouth. eclipse rules.
17:55 < jorm> if you're coding java.
17:56 < jorm> if you're coding anything else, though, i can't help you.
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17:56 * openstrings waves at jorm
17:56 * jorm waves back.
17:56 < kim_bruning> jorm, right, which would be anyplace that respects the geneva conventions
17:56 < kim_bruning> ;-)
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17:57 * kim_bruning waves jorm with openstrings
17:57 < kim_bruning> openstrings, whence the nick openstrings btw?
17:57 < openstrings> s'my alt account and my original nick when sonia was taken on freenode
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17:57 < openstrings> I was second cellist in an orchestra at the time
17:57 < Tony_Sidaway> I used to use NetBeans for coding java. I recall it was a lot less work than Eclipse.
17:57 < kim_bruning> openstrings, sure, but what's the... ok, that explains the strings. Whence the open?
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17:57 < kim_bruning> openstrings, and you're a musician?
17:58 < kim_bruning> openstrings, have you hung out with mindspillage yet? We didn't get to jam at the last wikimania, sadly
17:58 < kylu> probably plays brass or percussion. *nod*
17:58 < openstrings> I haven't met her irl
17:58 < kim_bruning> typically we all just bring recorders, they're small and light :-P
17:58 < openstrings> kim_bruning, openstrings = strings that are not held down w/ fingers at the time
17:58 < kim_bruning> for some values of typically that involve "once a year"
17:59 < kylu> (openstrings: next time you visit, remind me to bring my cello and violin)
17:59 < kim_bruning> openstrings, OH!, so you get just the basic notes :-)
17:59 < openstrings> yup!
17:59 < kim_bruning> kylu, openstrings has visited you?
17:59 < openstrings> kim_bruning, melodicas! they're great fun!
17:59 < jorm> Tony_Sidaway: eclipse is rank awesome once you get it configured for your workflow. that's it's problem, though: it's too configurable.
17:59 < openstrings> and small
17:59 < kim_bruning> openstrings, I pleay keyboard mostly, decent on recorder, suck at flute
17:59 < kim_bruning> play even
17:59 < jorm> also, once you have a good eclipse config, you just move that entire binary tree around with you.
17:59 < kylu> nobody visits a kylu, evar.
17:59 < openstrings> jorm, it's just getting started using it and all, being that every single combination of a command-key and any other key will do something pretty much
17:59 < kim_bruning> and more play with than play as a pro musician or anything
17:59 < jorm> much like every tomcat configuration i've EVER done.
17:59 < SigmaWP> openstrings: Try vim
18:00 < SigmaWP> Everyone other than me likes it
18:00 < kim_bruning> I think jorm could do guitar (even just judging by his looks)
18:00 < jorm> here's why eclipse rules for java:
18:00 < Tony_Sidaway> jorm: pretty much. It's nice to wander into a workplace where they _know_ Eclipse and they just have it set up for the job at hand.
18:00 < openstrings> emacs came with this thing and I was like "what is this how do I use it"
18:00 < kim_bruning> jorm, next wikimania, taking an instrument?
18:00 < jorm> it will cut down your development time by 70%, i guarantee.
18:00 < lahwran> is everyone here friends with everyone?
18:00 < kim_bruning> kylu, we need to change that
18:00 < jorm> i play guitar, yes.
18:00 * openstrings visits a kylu
18:00 < jorm> there's no way i'm carting any of my guitars to hong kong.
18:00 * kim_bruning should basically just propose a jam session for next wikimania
18:00 < jorm> do you have any idea what the humidity there will do to my strat?
18:01 < kim_bruning> jorm, So Don't Do That, yeah ...
18:01 < kylu> aww ^.^;
18:01 * kim_bruning scratches head
18:01 < Tony_Sidaway> lahwran: some of us have known one another for a few years online. SOme have met at Wiki conferences.
18:01 < kim_bruning> maybe rent something simple there or so?
18:01 < jorm> it'll warp the neck is what.
18:01 * Brooke jams.
18:01 < kim_bruning> jorm, don't take that kind of stuff on planes anyway
18:01 < kim_bruning> I'd prolly take a cheap recorder, or requisition a piano someplace
18:01 < jorm> i might consider the schecter but the jack needs repairing.
18:02 < jorm> and i just use that at the office to noodle on when i'm thinking.
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18:02 * kim_bruning won't transport any instrument I can't stand to lose
18:02 < Tony_Sidaway> lahwran: are you new to this? If so, welcome!
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18:03 < lahwran> something along those lines
18:03 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, too late, I welcomed them first. :-)
18:03 < kim_bruning> O:-)
18:03 < SigmaWP> Learn_bot: If you use Bayesian classification, give me the source
18:03 < lahwran> lol
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18:04 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: lahwran : well there we are, goes to show how friendly we are to newcomers.
18:04 < kim_bruning> openstrings, any chance of getting an instrument to HK?
18:04 < openstrings> kim_bruning, what instrument? :P
18:04 < kim_bruning> openstrings, Any
18:04 < lahwran> SigmaWP: according to /version it's a pyborg
18:04 < lahwran> probably just markov :p
18:04 < openstrings> my cello? not likely. could bring a couple of soprano melodicas
18:04 < openstrings> or a glockenspiel
18:04 < openstrings> my recorder, if I can find it
18:04 < kim_bruning> select * from instrument where instrument.hongkongable=True limit 10;
18:04 < Tony_Sidaway> lahwran: we generally just sit on channel and chat about anything we feel like, so feel free to jump in.
18:05 < kim_bruning> lahwran, also, don't expect help here
18:05 < kim_bruning> #wikipedia-en-help works for that though ;-)
18:05 < kim_bruning> openstrings, I can't bring a synth either, but I have a decent cheap recorder
18:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh, talking of travelling with musical instruments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwsflF5Fyho
18:07 < Tony_Sidaway> British comedy sketch about travelling with synths.
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18:07 < Tony_Sidaway> (and incidentally fighting for rule of the Roman Empire)
18:07 < Isarra> Wikis are so fun.
18:07 * Isarra pets Tony_Sidaway.
18:09 < jorm> ugh. guitar questions on quora are so tedious sometimes.
18:10 < jorm> there are only ever three kinds of questions.
18:10 < Tony_Sidaway> I tried Quora for a couple of weeks. I even answered a question! Tedium is the main feeling I got from it.
18:10 < jorm> 1) who is the best guitarist (or things like it)
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18:10 < jorm> 2) how do i stop my fingers from hurting while learning? and
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18:10 < jorm> 3) the utterly retarded, like "can i use nylon strings on my electric guitar?"
18:11 < openstrings> heh
18:11 < Elduen> "There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people."
18:11 < jorm> 1) Stupid question. 2) Grit your teeth and keep playing. 3) You should maybe learn a bit about how electric guitars work.
18:11 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, ohey, that might work. A mule
18:11 < Isarra> "Do you ever want to hit people with your guitar?"
18:12 < jorm> "No. I value the instrument too much. But I *will* use this brick."
18:12 < Elduen> Or frying pan.
18:12 * jorm usually keeps a brick in his messenger back for just such an occaision.
18:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Back in a second. Going to find the bit of irssi that reports every time some ninny changes from Idiot_away to Idiot_feeding_the_cat and throttle it.
18:12 < Isarra> Excellent.
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18:13 < Isarra> ...don't tempt me to steal your bag and look if we ever meet again, though. >.>
18:13 < kim_bruning> he should have done /nick Tony_throtteling_ninnies
18:13 < kim_bruning> Isarra, too late
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18:13 * Isarra coughs.
18:13 < Tony_Sidaway> There. Now you can all change your fucking nicks to DuranDuran for all I care,
18:14 < kim_bruning> /nick DuranDuran
18:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Hint: you can say you're away in your ircname if it's that important.
18:15 < kim_bruning> /nick Tony_Fixed_My_IRSSI
18:15 < kylu> kim: play Ordinary World for me :)
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18:15 * kim_bruning would first have to listen to it ...
18:15 < kim_bruning> oh wait... ha!
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18:17 < kylu> I think it's Red that has a pretty decent cover of it.
18:17 < kylu> Unfortunately, most of the Duran Duran clips on YT are from live shows, and therefore sound like crap.
18:17 < kim_bruning> eh?
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18:17 < kim_bruning> I found a decent VEVO clip
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18:20 < kim_bruning> re
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18:24 < LtNOWIS> I wish I could see my deleted edits.
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18:26 < Tony_Sidaway> LtNOWIS: is it a particular article?
18:26 < LtNOWIS> No.
18:27 < LtNOWIS> I solved a ton of DAB links on "Timeline of Harry Potter," but it was already up for AfD and I'm glad it was delted.
18:27 < LtNOWIS> deleted
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18:28 < Tony_Sidaway> This build process is taking longer and longer as I work my way through the bugs. I have this sort of been in my bonnet about monolithic builds so maybe I'll fix that.
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18:29 < Tony_Sidaway> LtNOWIS: I'm familiar with that feeling. I wonder if one of the Potter wikis (if such exist) rescued that one.
18:30 < LtNOWIS> The Potter wiki is one of the biggest and best on Wikia
18:30 < Tony_Sidaway> Some fan material is great for the fan wikis, but doesn't necessarily work so well in an encyclopedia.
18:30 < mattbuck> anyone considering seeing the new bourne film, don't, it's shit
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18:31 < Sven_Manguard> awww
18:31 < LtNOWIS> Not having a wiki on such a big franchise would be inconcievable on Wikia
18:31 < LtNOWIS> Really? I heard it was boilerplate genericness.
18:31 < Tony_Sidaway> One of the issues I recall with Potter timelines is that Rowling's timeline ends in 1997 or whatever, whereas the films have quite sensibly set them in the present day. You've got the Millennium Eye and the Wobbly Bridge and the Gherkin, all landmarks that have appeared since 1999.
18:32 < kim_bruning> mattbuck, how NPOV of you
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18:32 < LtNOWIS> but the books are by far the more canon for the hardcore fans
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18:32 < mattbuck> there's very little explanation of anything, just dumps you in, oh here's a problem, oh, magic solution
18:33 < BlastHardcheese> jerkin the gherkin?
18:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Isn't that what action thrillers are about?
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18:33 < Tony_Sidaway> BlastHardcheese: gettin' hard with the shard.
18:34 < Tony_Sidaway> The Millennium Bridge was closed shortly after opening because it was too much fun.
18:34 < mattbuck> it's not thrilly though
18:34 < LtNOWIS> meanwhile, the Hunger Games works best as a multi-media agglomeration, since the books are to a large degree about media and celebrity and stuff.
18:34 < Tony_Sidaway> They had the engineers come back and suck some of the fun out of it, before the public could be allowed to use it.
18:34 < mattbuck> it's generally slow, interspersed with overlong fight sequences with shaky cameras which mean you can't see what's happening
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18:35 < Tony_Sidaway> I was surprised at the Hunger Games. Never have I gone into a film with such low expectations, and come out pleased that I went to see it.
18:36 < mattbuck> hunger games was very good
18:36 < mattbuck> shame book #3 was a bit meh
18:36 < LtNOWIS> dunno why your expectations would be low.
18:36 < LtNOWIS> But then criticizing your past assumptions would serve no purpose
18:36 < mattbuck> it was a slightly less violent battle royale really
18:37 < LtNOWIS> I pretty much fell victim to the hype and saw it a few weeks after release
18:37 < LtNOWIS> or something
18:38 < Tony_Sidaway> LtNOWIS: I didn't like the hype, but my daughter fancied seeing it.
18:38 < LtNOWIS> well that's quite sensible then
18:38 * Peter-C eats Tony_Sidaway’s daughter
18:38 < Tony_Sidaway> It transcended the genre, basically.
18:38 < LtNOWIS> don't, you'll lose sponsors!
18:38 < LtNOWIS> right
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18:39 < Tony_Sidaway> I even liked Prometheus, despite the awful science. Or perhaps because of it.
18:39 < LtNOWIS> anyways I rather liked book 3, in spite of its flaws, but I'll not talk about it if Tony would be spoiled.
18:40 < LtNOWIS> I haven't seen Prometheus, but my dad was really looking forward to it and ended up missing it.
18:40 < LtNOWIS> So, instant Christmas present idea
18:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Seen as an artful retelling of the original tale, and a reboot of once great franchise, it worked well for me.
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18:41 < Tony_Sidaway> LtNOWIS: I've read the Wikipedia articles about the sequels. I don't believe in "spoiling". I don't watch films to find out what happens, but how it happens.
18:42 < LtNOWIS> well in that case I thought #3 was a good depiction of the brutality and randomness of war
18:42 < mattbuck> haven't seen prometheus
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18:44 < Tony_Sidaway> I hope there will be more Alien prequels. He has set it up as a possibility with this film.
18:45 < LtNOWIS> Prometheus is gonna have a sequel
18:45 < LtNOWIS> as is like every other movie of 2012
18:45 < LtNOWIS> except Battleship
18:45 < Isarra> Prometheus is so hilariously bad it's on par with Twilight.
18:46 < Isarra> On that note, for anyone who hasn't watched those, you really should.
18:46 < LtNOWIS> One was more than enough for me I think
18:47 < kim_bruning> Coding type people, could you check me to see if I'm saying something silly here?
18:47 < Tony_Sidaway> What else did I see this year? Avengers, of course.
18:47 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Page_Curation#sort_order_.2F_too_speedy_deletion
18:47 < kim_bruning> I'
18:47 < kim_bruning> m trying to explain that NPP needs to be FIFO for crying out loud
18:47 < Tony_Sidaway> But that wasn't even the best Joss Whedon film I saw this year, though it's very good.
18:48 < LtNOWIS> Yeah I gotta see Cabin in the Woods because everyone apparently loved it
18:48 < kim_bruning> newest first scores people points in some way, but it doesn't actually efficiently work for NPP :-/
18:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Whedon's Cabin in the Woods could well be the best film I saw this year.
18:48 < LtNOWIS> Avengers was like the perfect example of a superhero film, but I don't think it transcended the genre
18:48 < mattbuck> it was a pretty meh film
18:49 < mattbuck> not as good as any of the individual avengers' films
18:49 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't even know what genre Cabin in the Woods is supposed to be. It was funny and it made me jump, and I liked the Scooby Doo touch.
18:50 < LtNOWIS> personally I was pretty underwhelmed by the Dark Knight Rises myself
18:50 < LtNOWIS> so I can relate on the "man everyone loved this but I'm not seeing it" front
18:51 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't bother with Batman films. I just don't like the whole vigilante vibe.
18:51 < mattbuck> i enjoyed it
18:51 < mattbuck> rated it v3/5
18:52 < Tony_Sidaway> My kids took me to see Batman Begins once. I walked out after ten minutes or so. Nothing there for me.
18:53 < LtNOWIS> he didn't start vigilantying by that point, I don't think.
18:53 < LtNOWIS> that was just him fighting ninjas in China or whatever
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18:55 < mattbuck> were his parents even dead by then?>
18:55 < mattbuck> actually, 10mins, the opening credits probably hadn't ended yet
18:56 < GrenBaykre> Is it really true that them white statues from ancient Greek or whatever were actually full of tasteless colours and it is only due to time passing that they have paled into white?
18:56 < LtNOWIS> yeah I don't think that was shown except in flashbacks
18:56 < LtNOWIS> Yes, that is true
18:56 < kim_bruning> GrenBaykre, afaik, yes
18:56 < kim_bruning> GrenBaykre, not necessarily tasteless
18:56 < LtNOWIS> For example that's how the Parthenon in Nashville is painted.
18:56 < kim_bruning> anyway, could someone sanity check me in this convo with Ironholds?
18:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Yeah. I think the China thing was about where I left.
18:56 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Page_Curation#sort_order_.2F_too_speedy_deletion
18:56 < jorm> kim_bruning: you're one voice in many.
18:56 < GrenBaykre> :/
18:57 < kim_bruning> jorm, what does that mean?
18:57 < Tony_Sidaway> I just don't like it.
18:57 < LtNOWIS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Athena_Parthenos_LeQuire.jpg
18:57 < kim_bruning> jorm, it's not really relevant
18:57 < jorm> it means that many other people have convinced me the opposite.
18:57 < kim_bruning> jorm, okay, on what grounds?
18:57 < jorm> my original design had it going from the back of the queue.
18:57 < kim_bruning> jorm, that makes sense to me too
18:57 < jorm> but several people argued otherways.
18:57 < jorm> and i found the arguments compelling.
18:57 < kim_bruning> jorm, what was the argument?
18:57 < jorm> sec.
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18:58 < kim_bruning> LtNOWIS, hmm, not more tasteful?
18:58 < Tony_Sidaway> GrenBaykre: unlike us the Ancient Greeks weren't brought up to expect statues to look like white marble. I guess they liked statues to look more like people.
18:59 < LtNOWIS> well that's a pretty good looking example
18:59 < LtNOWIS> and there's a lot of gold on there anyways
18:59 < LtNOWIS> but there are other examples where it'd look less good arguably
18:59 < kim_bruning> jorm, (you could also answer on wiki, to save time and all ;-)
19:00 < jorm> crap. i can't find the discussion now.
19:00 < Tony_Sidaway> In that shot, the building itself would be decorated too.
19:00 < kim_bruning> jorm, shoot
19:00 < kim_bruning> jorm, anyway, I was pretty much convinced oldest first was the only way to go
19:00 < jorm> so, here's the metaphor i used to explain it to someone else.
19:00 < jorm> say you're a janitor.
19:00 < kim_bruning> right?
19:00 < jorm> and you're in the bathroom, and there's lots of work to do.
19:00 < BarkingFish> any passing admins - can you step on this please as G11 - the guy's already taken the speedy tag off it once... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaDelta
19:00 < jorm> the most pressing work is going to be cleaning up the overflowing toilets.
19:01 < jorm> windexing the mirrors is not as big of a priority.
19:01 < BarkingFish> it has no proper references, no sourcing, it's an advert at the moment.
19:01 < kim_bruning> jorm, sure
19:01 < CoalBalls> BarkingFish: When the speedy gets removed let me add it :D
19:01 < jorm> now, if we think of articles at the back of the queue, they have a lot in common.
19:01 < jorm> they're not OBVIOUSLY bad.
19:01 < GrenBaykre> Tony_Sidaway: It kind of... ruins... a lot... for me.
19:01 < jorm> if they were, they'd have been handled.
19:01 < kim_bruning> jorm, why not?
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19:01 < jorm> they're not OBVIOUSLY good, either.
19:01 < jorm> they're a mix.
19:01 < BarkingFish> oiling the hinges might be more important, jorm - that way you can open the windows to get rid of the smell of the overflowing toilets :)
19:02 < BarkingFish> lol
19:02 < BarkingFish> sorry
19:02 < jorm> they've been skipped over and over and over, by hundreds of patrollers.
19:02 < jorm> they're not clearly sewage.
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19:02 < jorm> further, patrolling them *correctly* is hard. it's for experienced users.
19:02 < kim_bruning> jorm, wait, you're skipping a part here
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19:02 < jorm> experienced patrollers will know to specifically start at the back of the queue.
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19:02 < kim_bruning> jorm, how do you know they've been dealt with previously?
19:02 < jorm> NEW patrollers start at the front, where the sewage is.
19:03 < kim_bruning> jorm, why does the queue have that form?
19:03 < kim_bruning> you're assuming a particular form
19:03 < Tony_Sidaway> GrenBaykre: well I guess you need to fire up the DeLorean and go back and tell those Greeks they were doing it wrong! :)
19:03 < jorm> the usage pattern we observed is that people start in the front with the largest block of unreviewed pages.
19:03 < kim_bruning> I'd rather new patrollers really didn't start at the front ever. That's what stops the wiki from working
19:03 < kim_bruning> jorm, yes?
19:04 < kim_bruning> jorm, and is that actually a good idea?
19:04 < kim_bruning> jorm, or is that an artifact of the software?
19:04 < sonia> new patrollers grab stuff at the front which is easy.
19:04 * kim_bruning argues the latter
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19:04 < kim_bruning> sonia, that's because of the way the current system works
19:04 < sonia> the catch is that new patrollers are often idiots who've just migrated from huggle and have the same "we gotta delete it in 10 seconds" attitude.
19:04 < kim_bruning> I don't think the current system should be retained
19:04 < jorm> sec. afk.
19:04 < kim_bruning> sonia, that's indeed the catch
19:05 < Tony_Sidaway> What's the purpose of this new curation system?
19:05 < sonia> and they'd just give up if they saw the harder ones at the end
19:05 < kim_bruning> jorm, sonia is explaining too
19:05 < sonia> no, I'm not :P
19:05 < sonia> I'm just making an observation
19:05 < sonia> at the same time I much prefer to patrol from the start
19:05 < kim_bruning> sonia, but why does the queue have that form?
19:05 < sonia> because I can help people out who're making it now
19:05 < sonia> who're online, and right there
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19:05 < kim_bruning> ok, that's something of an argument
19:05 < sonia> I can expand it before some idiot speedies if it's notable, welcome, help out,
19:06 < sonia> you know
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19:06 < kim_bruning> yeah, but that's an artifact of having newest first
19:06 < sonia> on simple where the admins have things deleted within minutes of its creation as there's an RC feed that can actually be watched
19:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Seems to me that a triage system of some sort would work with a seeded pseudo-random list for each user.
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19:06 < sonia> I used to just expand really quickly before the admins could delete
19:06 < Tony_Sidaway> THis guarantees maximum coverage.
19:06 < kim_bruning> you keep mentioning we need newest first "because we're dealing with artifacts caused by newest first"
19:06 < sonia> ref
19:06 < sonia> well, that, but the immediacy is important too
19:07 < sonia> youc an't communicate with someone who's long gone
19:07 < sonia> and will never be back
19:07 < sonia> you can however explain COI and rope them in properly
19:07 < kim_bruning> yes
19:07 < sonia> if you engage them right then
19:07 < kim_bruning> sure
19:07 < sonia> I'm a people person ;p
19:07 < kim_bruning> but they're long gone at the back of the not-queue-but-stack
19:07 < kim_bruning> because you're treating it like a stack to begin with
19:07 < kim_bruning> the people at the bottom get popped only irregularly
19:08 < kim_bruning> if it gets treated as a proper queue, you'd get to them much quicker
19:08 < LtNOWIS> Shouldn't this have gotten another relist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miss_Model_of_the_World_2001
19:08 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: what do you think of my per-user random order idea?
19:08 < LtNOWIS> Not that I care that much
19:08 < sonia> people at the bottom usually have really hard articles to patrol.
19:08 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, that makes more sense than newest first
19:08 < sonia> cases where you have no fucking idea what they're doing or if it's notable or not
19:08 < kim_bruning> sonia, WHY are they at the bottom?
19:08 < sonia> often math theorem articles
19:08 < kim_bruning> sonia, they're at the bottom because you're treating it like a stack
19:08 < sonia> because who the hell can tell if they're correct? not me
19:09 < kim_bruning> sonia, it's an artifact of how you are patrolling
19:09 < kim_bruning> you're causing those articles to be hard
19:09 < kim_bruning> (statistically speaking)
19:09 < sonia> kim_bruning, yes, they are, but it became a queue they'd still end up sitting there for ages just that new patrollers would see those first when they load it
19:09 < sonia> and have to go past several pages that other patrollers have gone "eh, no, next page"
19:09 < sonia> before seeing something they thought "now, I know what policy applies to that, I can do this"
19:10 < kim_bruning> I'd be very happy if people never went ""now, I know what policy applies to that, I can do this"
19:10 < kim_bruning> because much of that can be done by bots ;-)
19:10 < sonia> not necessarily!
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19:10 < kim_bruning> true, but in general
19:10 < sonia> and - bots aren't people and that's both a plus and a minus.
19:10 < kim_bruning> indeed
19:10 < sonia> we're already a bit detached. all our templatery.
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19:10 < CoalBalls> We Need Bots
19:10 < sonia> new users as well as new patrollers need something that's not a grey-area-thing to work on.
19:11 < CoalBalls> I am going to write another one, in fact
19:11 < kim_bruning> how come?
19:11 < kim_bruning> Perhaps it's a good idea
19:11 < sonia> because it's discouraging if everything is bloody difficult.
19:11 < kim_bruning> because then people will work on consensus
19:11 < sonia> and what, we become more insular for lack of newbies having anythign they can understand?
19:12 < sonia> if we end up being a community that delegates anything black and white to bots
19:12 < kim_bruning> that's an interesting argument
19:12 < sonia> how will people assimilate?
19:12 < kim_bruning> I have the opposite view
19:12 < sonia> that's how I train adoptees. find AfCs that are clearly spam.
19:12 < sonia> or whatever.
19:12 < Demiurge1000> Assimilation is unavoidable, sonia. You will become one with the bots.
19:12 < Tony_Sidaway> They Will All Be Assimilated.
19:12 < sonia> get them into it before giving them ones that are a bit more nuanced.
19:12 < kim_bruning> I think that having new people patrol the front end of the page queue
19:12 < kim_bruning> is the one thing that is harful to the wiki
19:12 < sonia> well, yep.
19:12 < kim_bruning> because they're not sure what they're doing
19:13 < kim_bruning> and they hurt other newbies
19:13 < sonia> more importantly, they're *too* sure what they're doing ;)
19:13 < kim_bruning> and chase them away
19:13 < jorm> back.
19:13 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: That's why WMF employs Kudpung, to deal with that problem. Oh... wait :)
19:13 < jorm> so, okay. my ORIGINAL idea was that each patroller's queue was *unique* and *randomized*
19:13 < Tony_Sidaway> It becomes a game. Squash as many bad articles as you can.
19:13 < kim_bruning> so if there's one thing I'd like to prevent, is inexperienced users patrolling from the front of the queue
19:13 < sonia> but where you have people like me, helpdeskers, who patrol new articles as soon as they pop up
19:13 < Tony_Sidaway> jorm: that sounds like what I was saying.
19:13 < kim_bruning> jorm, thinking like Tony! ;-)
19:13 < jorm> and we were going into more of a triage system.
19:13 < sonia> and leave notes for the author on how good or bad it was, what could be fixed, "you can contact me here"
19:13 < jorm> (hence the name "Page Triage")
19:13 < sonia> that's a good thing having the new first.
19:14 < BarkingFish> Can I have an admin please? http://enwp.org/Alphadelta - I've warned this guy now not to remove the G11 tags, second time he's done it despite a clear warning on the article's talk page
19:14 < jorm> there were technical limitations.
19:14 < kim_bruning> sonia, heh, wouldn't it be cool if you had tools for that in that toolbox that's being provided? :-)
19:14 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: editors are allowed to remove CSD tags.
19:14 < sonia> I haven't edited in a wee while :) the old PTSD has been fucking with me
19:14 < sonia> but maybe I should.
19:14 < BarkingFish> no they're not. Not when they're the author of the article, Tony_Sidaway
19:14 < sonia> get back into all the New Things
19:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh fiddling silly rules.
19:15 < sonia> bbs.
19:15 < BarkingFish> "If this article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself. "
19:15 < Tony_Sidaway> I would remove a CSD tag if some arsehole stuck one on my article.
19:15 < kim_bruning> sonia, I can see why running newest first is useful to you. I'm not sure what part is due to the method in the first place though
19:15 < BarkingFish> tough shit, you'd be breaking the rules then, Tony_Sidaway :) I told the guy already not to take it off
19:15 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, try to see if the article can be fixed?
19:15 < sonia> it's kinda a "help them before they start feeling they're on their own"
19:15 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: so it's a "please do not".
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19:15 < BarkingFish> kim_bruning, it can't be fixed. Its an advert
19:16 < BarkingFish> Its nothing but a giant advert for a piece of software
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19:16 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: ads _can_ often be fixed. Not all I admit.
19:16 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, I suppose
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19:16 < kim_bruning> jorm, right, but what convinced you to make newest first the default?
19:16 < Tony_Sidaway> People use software and this fact is usually verifiable.
19:17 < jorm> the argument about quickly removing potentially legal threats from the site.
19:17 < Demiurge1000> Yes, editors must be prevented from making legal threats at all costs. WP:NLT!
19:17 < kim_bruning> jorm, I'm not sure how that would work
19:17 < jorm> now, if we can get the NOINDEX code working again, maybe it might be worth revisiting that decision.
19:17 < kim_bruning> jorm, since we're talking about a stack
19:18 < kim_bruning> jorm, wouldn't a bunch of those threats just sit at the bottom of the stack forever?
19:18 < kim_bruning> (if we can't get the stack cleared out)
19:18 < jorm> i'm talking about pages that are nothing more than "THIS BITCH IS MY EX GIRLFRIEND AND SHE SUCKS ANY COCK HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER"
19:18 < kim_bruning> jorm, yes
19:18 < jorm> or "Hi, I'm tracey, and i'm 12, here's my phone number"
19:18 < kim_bruning> jorm, and if we have a stack, won't that sit at the bottom of the stack?
19:18 < kim_bruning> jorm, yes, that could sit at the bottom of the stack too
19:19 < jorm> no, because *those* threats get nuked from orbit with high efficiency.
19:19 < kim_bruning> jorm, how do you guarantee
19:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, just realised I was running rake distclean before rake build. Yes, that'll slow things down a bit in the debug cycle.
19:19 < kim_bruning> jorm, because, they get found... how?
19:19 < jorm> becauase they're at the top of the stack.
19:19 < kim_bruning> jorm, why?
19:19 < jorm> more eyeballs.
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19:19 < kim_bruning> jorm, what causes them to be at the top of the stack?
19:19 < kim_bruning> jorm, more eyeballs where? At the top of the stack?
19:20 < jorm> yes, more eyeballs at the top of the stack.
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19:20 < kim_bruning> jorm, but if they slip down, they're going to be there for a while
19:20 < Tony_Sidaway> Aren't threats something so important that you'd want to have them flagged for quick admin attention by a bot?
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19:20 < Tony_Sidaway> I wouldn't leave that to generic patrolling.
19:20 < jorm> funnily, we can't do that, tony.
19:20 < jorm> (the wmf)
19:20 < jorm> we can provide software that will allow the community to do that, though.
19:20 < jorm> abuse filter.
19:21 < kim_bruning> jorm, so far you haven't told me why going top first isn't going to leave at least some of "Hi, I'm tracey, and i'm 12, here's my phone number" at the bottom of the stack
19:21 < kim_bruning> where it won't be found for ages
19:21 < kim_bruning> until siegenthaler comes across it.
19:21 < kim_bruning> (Although I know siegenthaler was actually patrolled)
19:21 < Tony_Sidaway> jorm: I don't see a distinction between flagging for attention and what you're talking about.
19:21 < jorm> okay. so, i'm unsure if i can explain it any better.
19:21 < kim_bruning> if you take a queue, you can ensure that every item will be found
19:22 < kim_bruning> jorm, I can see some statisticalness floating around top first that might be interesting
19:22 < jorm> tony: if the wmf writes software that does seomthing like "auto flag if there's a phone number", we can lose our non-profit status. we'll become content-editors and not publishers.
19:22 < kim_bruning> jorm, which I hadn't thought of before
19:22 < kim_bruning> jorm, so you didn't fail entirely
19:22 < jorm> but we can create software that allows *YOU* to write code that auto-flags.
19:22 < Tony_Sidaway> 1. bot grabs newpages, sees likely threat words, puts an invisible cat on or something. 2. Admin looks at it, removes tag or deletes page.
19:23 < jorm> sure. and there's no reason why that couldn't be done today, i should think.
19:23 < kim_bruning> jorm, but otoh, there's a huge issue with top first rapid response killing the wiki-process, and making it mondo hard for new users to join
19:23 < tonynoname> Haha, tony highlights me
19:23 < kim_bruning> hi tonynoname
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19:23 < tonynoname> hey kim_bruning
19:23 < Tony_Sidaway> jorm: I don't expect the Foundation to write the software. It would be a bot, and generally those are not Foundation code.
19:23 < jorm> kim, have you used the software? because that's one of the things we're going for. is to not be so bitey. the templates we drop are different. there are built-in gratitude tools.
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19:24 < jorm> i think you're focusing on a bikeshed color issue.
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19:24 < kim_bruning> jorm, I did notice that. it's a slight improvement
19:24 < kim_bruning> jorm, ha, I don't want to insult you, but that was my first instinct
19:24 < kim_bruning> jorm, like "Oh, prettier templates, but they didn't kill newest first"
19:24 < Tony_Sidaway> "warning: variable 'hash' might be clobbered by 'longjmp' or 'vfork'" Ooh that's very thoughtful.
19:24 < kim_bruning> jorm, I now know there was some thought that went into it
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19:25 < Tony_Sidaway> One of my main complaints with the older languages is that they _still_ don't have proper closures.
19:25 < kim_bruning> jorm, I think newest first is one of the things killing the wiki. And I'm not exagerating
19:25 < kim_bruning> jorm, definitely not bicycle shed material here
19:25 < kim_bruning> jorm, of course, I can be convinced that it's not actually as big a problem as I thought it was
19:25 < Tony_Sidaway> algol 60 compilers had them more than 30 years ago, but C still doesn't.
19:26 < Demiurge1000> There is much less focus on the future development of the C programming language than there was ten years ago. :|
19:26 < kim_bruning> jorm, (if you scroll up, it's new users chasing away other new users, and too-rapid-deletion of articles still under construction . these two limit user growth and wiki growth)
19:27 < jorm> i think there are other things killing the wiki. but that's me.
19:27 < kim_bruning> jorm, what do you identify as problems?
19:27 < Isarra> There are a lot of things killing it, but kim_bruning isn't wrong about things getting tagged too quickly not being good.
19:27 < jorm> the culture of edit count = superiority.
19:27 < jorm> the culture of brusqueness.
19:27 < kim_bruning> jorm, working on it. Didn't quite manage to delete RFA at wikimania
19:28 < Tony_Sidaway> Demiurge1000: Java and C++ have the same problems.
19:28 < kim_bruning> the culture of brusqueness wasn't there originally
19:28 < kim_bruning> that's something that's due to bad acculturation
19:28 < jorm> my Grande Plan has us creating a "safe harbor" namespace for new articles where they live before getting published.
19:28 < Demiurge1000> Both are still being developed, so all is not lost.
19:28 < Isarra> Pity we can't... reeducate users.
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19:28 < kim_bruning> jorm, you know what that reminds me of?
19:28 < Tony_Sidaway> jorm: I'm glad you're considering this seriously.
19:28 < kim_bruning> jorm, ever heard of nupedia?
19:28 < jorm> yes. it's def. due to bad cultural norms reinforcing each other.
19:29 < Isarra> jorm: We considered that on uncyclopedia and people revolted.
19:29 < kim_bruning> jorm, so wales and sanger once set up nupedia
19:29 < Isarra> So please succeed.
19:29 < jorm> Tony_Sidaway: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_Creation_Workflow/Design
19:29 < kim_bruning> jorm, then they decided to create a "safe harbor" namespace for new articles where they live before getting published.
19:29 < Isarra> I WANT TO RUB IT IN THEIR FACES.
19:29 < kim_bruning> jorm, they called it wikipedia
19:29 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't think "safe harbours" are good for articles at all. The whole of Wikipedia being safe for newcomers is what we need.
19:29 < Isarra> Wikipedia is no longer safe, kim_bruning.
19:29 < kim_bruning> jorm, I think at some point the nupedia server failed, and no-one noticed, wikipedia was more productive ;-)
19:29 < kim_bruning> jorm, you're proposing making a wikipedia for wikipedia ;-)
19:29 < kim_bruning> jorm, which... is not necessarily wrong
19:30 < kim_bruning> jorm, but a very strange thought indeed
19:30 < kim_bruning> maybe we could rename wikipedia 1 'nupedia'
19:30 < Tony_Sidaway> THis whole "Articles for Creation" thing is a waste of time, I think. ANybody can create an article, and we should concentrate on making sure newcomers know that.
19:30 < kim_bruning> and start wikipedia 2 from scratch
19:30 < kim_bruning> something like that
19:30 < kim_bruning> Isarra, tell me about it
19:30 < Tony_Sidaway> AfC makes them pass a bloody exam!
19:30 < kim_bruning> Isarra, it's not quite as bad as I thought. (I did some minor article rescue stuff recently)
19:31 < kim_bruning> Isarra, but it's still uncool
19:31 < jorm> afc is not as bad as the article creation wizard.
19:31 < jorm> that's like a Choose Your Own Adventure where every path leads to death.
19:31 < kim_bruning> so the patrol tools you're adding to the wiki proper make the wiki unsafe
19:31 < Isarra> Snrk.
19:31 < kylu> jorm: real life is like that.
19:32 < kim_bruning> I'll second the snrk
19:32 < Isarra> Better tools can make it safer if they get more people involved; more people can lead to less stupid.
19:32 < Isarra> Potentiallu.
19:32 < Isarra> y
19:32 < kim_bruning> Isarra, only if they can intercommunicate
19:32 < kim_bruning> and the smart ones teach the younger ones somehow
19:32 < Isarra> Yelling at each other in an RfC is communication!
19:33 < kim_bruning> Isarra, it's a start
19:33 < kim_bruning> but could people be nice to each other in an RFC?
19:33 < jorm> Don't understand me? I'll just repeat myself, only LOUDER.
19:33 < Tony_Sidaway> jorm: I might just steal that statement about the article creation wizard!
19:33 < jorm> feel free.
19:33 < kim_bruning> jorm, very occaisionally that works, else why would people do that?
19:33 * kim_bruning worries when tony starts stealing phrases like that ;-)
19:34 < Isarra> It works quite often, actually. o_O
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19:34 < kim_bruning> rehi sonia
19:34 < kim_bruning> thanks for talking earlier too
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19:36 < kim_bruning> jorm, thanks for trying to explain btw :-)
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19:37 < jorm> i'm out of words today, it appears.
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19:37 < jorm> spent all of them on working on mobile contributions.
19:37 < sonia> hi...?
19:37 < BarkingFish> can someone kick Learn_bot out please? It was removed earlier from #wikipedia :)
19:38 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: I was trying to follow your argument earlier. You want a FIFO? Is that right, or is it the other way around?
19:38 < kylu> rewb sonia
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19:38 < sonia> ty?
19:38 < jorm> he wants FILO
19:38 < kylu> BarkingFish: done? :)
19:38 < BarkingFish> that saves the problem
19:38 < jorm> err, wiat.
19:38 < BarkingFish> morning kylu :)
19:38 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, In a fifo, everything that enters 1 side will come out the other in some amount of time
19:38 < jorm> LILO
19:38 < jorm> currently we have FILO.
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19:39 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, in a LIFO, if you can't quite empty it, some stuff might be at the bottom for a long time
19:39 < kylu> there's no more lilo, sorry. :(
19:39 < Edenkips> I apologize
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19:39 * kim_bruning gives jorm a stitch
19:39 < kim_bruning> What did Edenkips apologize for?
19:39 < Tony_Sidaway> At the bottom forever, in fact.
19:39 < kylu> learn_bot I imagine, Kim
19:39 < BarkingFish> i think he runs Learn_bot possibly :)
19:39 < kylu> considering the IP of both users.
19:39 < kim_bruning> ah, yes, I just saw the ip
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19:40 < BarkingFish> in a fifo, everything comes in and goes out in the same order - in a lilo, everything comes in and goes out in the same order :) filo is the reverse - what goes in first, comes out last - lifo is the same, last in, first out.
19:40 < kim_bruning> BarkingFish, errr yes
19:40 < BarkingFish> and now my brain hurts. I'm going for a smoke, before my brain smokes :)
19:40 < harej> oy, accounting
19:40 < kim_bruning> I just imagine a pipe and a stack
19:40 < harej> LIFO is evil. That's all you need to know.
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19:40 < kim_bruning> harej, 4 5 + p
19:40 < jorm> shift, unshift, pop, and push.
19:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes I know the principles. Instinctively I would want a hash for this kind of thing, which is why I was suggesting seeded random per-user.
19:41 * kim_bruning huggles lifo, forth, and RPN
19:41 < harej> FIFO is true accounting. LIFO is for cheating on your taxes.
19:41 < jorm> you want shift and pop.
19:41 < Tony_Sidaway> This takes care of the bunching effect.
19:41 < BarkingFish> bbiab
19:41 < LtNOWIS> If Wikipedia existed in the 1800s we'd go crazy keeping the flags correct
19:41 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, but jorm was convinced not to do that
19:41 < jorm> it would be theoretically easy to make teh "fast forward" control to grab something randomly.
19:42 < kim_bruning> jorm, why does it break?
19:42 < kylu> (shl, shr, shl, db+1 !)
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19:42 < jorm> i don't know; i just know that ian said it couldn't easily be done.
19:42 < jorm> i don't necessarily trust that, though.
19:42 < kim_bruning> ian who again?
19:42 < Tony_Sidaway> I can't see how you'd get decent coverage with any linear structure.
19:42 * kim_bruning tries to remember
19:42 < jorm> someone who used to work for us.
19:42 < kim_bruning> used to?
19:42 < jorm> used to.
19:42 < kim_bruning> that sounds encouraging
19:43 < jorm> well.
19:43 < jorm> he had his own ideas as to how to engage editors. and the rest of the foundation did not agree. and so he left.
19:43 < kim_bruning> encouraginger and encouraginger
19:43 < jorm> like, run a central notice banner that says "edit this page!"
19:43 < kim_bruning> I see. I think
19:43 < jorm> which would absolutely increase edits, but not bring in the kind of editors we want, and would not be sustainable.
19:44 < jorm> and would largely serve to mostly piss off the existing community.
19:44 < Tony_Sidaway> If I can write a simple API bot that looks at newpages and generates pseudo-random feeds from a hash on the username, I don't see what's difficult about it.
19:44 < kim_bruning> jorm, I'm not entirely sure about that...
19:44 < jorm> ian was . . . resistant to implement things he didn't agree with.
19:44 < kim_bruning> jorm, ... it'd be interesting to do A/B studies
19:44 < kim_bruning> jorm, that could be trickier
19:44 < kim_bruning> jorm, now if he was a volunteer
19:44 < jorm> kim, i could increase our editor count by 10,000 within a week if i wanted to.
19:44 < kim_bruning> jorm, I get the idea. Let's leave it at that :-)
19:45 < jorm> but they'd not be the people we want to have.
19:45 < kim_bruning> jorm, ok, how, why, and what's the catch?
19:45 < Tony_Sidaway> "TROLL HERE!"
19:45 < kim_bruning> what people do we want to have?
19:45 < jorm> this is why it infuriates me when people say that the WMF only wants bodies. any editor, we'll take them.
19:45 < kim_bruning> and what kind of people are these?
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19:45 < kim_bruning> (I have my ideas, but I'm interested in yours :-)
19:45 < jorm> that's not true; we want people who will be productive and satisified.
19:45 < kim_bruning> I want people who are willing to learn, really
19:46 < jorm> we have some metrics and markers about who is likely to be successful and who isn't
19:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Dammit, kim_bruning , there you go _listening to other people_ again! :)
19:46 < Isarra> So basically people who aren't like me?
19:46 * Isarra starts sobbing and runs away.
19:46 < kim_bruning> Isarra, you can't learn? :-)
19:46 < jorm> right. we want people who are ready to learn.
19:46 < Isarra> kim_bruning: Nope.
19:46 < jorm> and just spamming editors at the pages won't work.
19:46 < kim_bruning> jorm, interesting, can I access those?
19:46 < kim_bruning> (the metrics that is?)
19:46 < jorm> kind of? i can tell you them.
19:46 < jorm> dario is the keeper of that kingdom.
19:46 < kim_bruning> sure, do tell!
19:47 < kim_bruning> oh no, not dario
19:47 < kim_bruning> well, go ahead, tell me :)
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19:47 < jorm> like, people who make a moodbar post AND get a response AND mark that response as helpful are 30% more likely to reach 100 edits than those who don't.
19:47 < jorm> it doesn't matter what the moodbar post is.
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19:48 < IDoH> Hey
19:48 < kim_bruning> Ok, so that's one metric :-)
19:48 * kim_bruning waves to IDoH
19:48 < kim_bruning> jorm, are there other metrics like that?
19:48 < IDoH> Hey Kim, how are ya?
19:48 < jorm> a couple.
19:48 < kim_bruning> IDoH, I'm good, listening to jorm
19:48 < jorm> i actually have to go, though. houseguests are coming.
19:48 < kim_bruning> jorm, ah shoot
19:48 < kim_bruning> Ok, tell me some more next time
19:48 < kim_bruning> I have to sleep actually ;-)
19:48 < IDoH> Ah, okay.
19:49 < IDoH> Bye Jorm
19:49 < kim_bruning> IDoH, I was listening to jorm
19:49 < IDoH> and Kim, too, I guess.
19:49 < kim_bruning> jorm, thank you so much for your time!
19:49 * Isarra gives IDoH a plant.
19:49 < Tony_Sidaway> Actually didn't somebody find that a lot of our useful content is generated by people who just show up one day, do a braindump, and then get on with the rest of their lives, playing Angry Birds or designing the next skyscraper, or whatever?
19:49 < IDoH> Isarra: What kind of plant did you give me?
19:49 < kim_bruning> if you can find that data :-)
19:50 < kim_bruning> An IDoH eating plant?
19:50 < Isarra> A funny black swamp plant.
19:50 < IDoH> Tony_Sidaway: I would imagine that would be the case.
19:50 < kim_bruning> IDoH, anything in particular you'd like to bring up before I head out?
19:50 < IDoH> Not really, I'm just here to say hi, but thanks for asking. :)
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19:52 < Demiurge1000> Tony_Sidaway: These days, the "braindump" style edit just gets deleted.
19:52 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, along with a lot of other useful edits
19:52 < kim_bruning> actually you can still do braindump, but it takes a bit of a manual
19:52 < kim_bruning> first create page, 1 claim of notability
19:52 < kim_bruning> then braindump to talk
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19:52 < IDoH> I try to be careful to not delete useful edits
19:52 < IDoH> It's hard, though
19:53 < kim_bruning> IDoH, and then the guy coming right after you deletes them all anyway
19:53 < kim_bruning> and a few more just to be on the safe side ;-)
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19:53 < Demiurge1000> Some academic was on #wikipedia-en-helpers (I recommend it, btw!) earlier, asking about the half-chapter of his mathematics book that he'd just uploaded. I told him it wasn't suitable since it was sourced only to him, etc., ... he said he agreed it wasn't really ready "for wiki" yet.
19:53 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, wikibooks!
19:53 < Demiurge1000> You don't pay me for that!
19:53 < Demiurge1000> #wikipedia-en-helpers is Wikipedia-only! And WP is all you pay me for :P
19:54 < Demiurge1000> err, help even
19:54 * kim_bruning looks at Demiurge1000
19:54 < kim_bruning> I'll double your salary
19:54 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not really talking about new articles so much as edits. I curate a few fairly obscure articles and every now and then someone will show up and just write some amazingly good stuff, and then bugger off.
19:54 < Demiurge1000> ok, but not all in one edit, right?
19:54 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: Deal!
19:54 < Tony_Sidaway> It doesn't get deleted because you wouldn't want to delete it.
19:54 < kim_bruning> 0*200% ... let's see...
19:54 < kim_bruning> ;-)
19:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Demiurge1000: no not in one edit. In a short space of time though. Maybe a week or so at most.
19:55 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: The joke was understood from the beginning... are you female or something? :)
19:55 < Tony_Sidaway> After that I suppose they think "well that was nice, what's on Facebook" and they leave. And that's fine.
19:57 < IDoH> And I'm sure any mistake they make is fairly correctable
19:57 < kim_bruning> tired :-P
19:57 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a wiki.
19:57 < BarkingFish> Well finally. It looks like Ian Brady has finally come to his senses, considering he hasn't got long left to live, i'd imagine. Apparently he's revealed the location of the body of the final Moors Murders victim, Keith Bennett.
19:57 < kim_bruning> okay
19:58 < kim_bruning> I shall be off to bed, or something
19:58 < kim_bruning> later gaters!
19:58 < BarkingFish> bbfn, kim_bruning
19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh time for my Maddow fix.
19:58 < kim_bruning> ttyl!
19:58 < kim_bruning> night all!
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20:00 < Demiurge1000> jorm: That Kim person has a very limited attention span.
20:00 < Frood> Does anybody here want Portal 2 for PC?
20:01 < Frood> I have a 75% off code on Steam...
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20:02 < Frood> aaaand it's gone.
20:04 < Peter-C> omg Frood I am a genious
20:04 < Peter-C> I will start all radio transmissions with “mayday”
20:05 < BarkingFish> I used to start mine with "4th of July" until I took an arrow to the knee :P
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20:06 * IDoH never got the "arrow in the knee" joke
20:07 < BlastHardcheese> I never got the "arrow in the knee" joke, until I took an arrow to the knee
20:07 < BarkingFish> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee
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20:09 < IDoH> Thanks, Barkingfish!
20:10 < BarkingFish> np
20:10 < BarkingFish> why I'm still sitting here at 4.10am working on wp is a mystery to me :) Last coupla nights, I've been asleep earlier than usual - maybe i'm just catching up on missed net time :P
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20:11 < Soapy> im so glad I have 3 days off now
20:11 * Frood feels left out :(
20:11 < Soapy> aw. I missed Horses
20:12 < Frood> all the MvM servers are full, the normal servers are empty
20:12 < Frood> Nobody joins me for L4D2
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20:12 < Frood> ;_;
20:17 < BarkingFish> ah well, I'm gonna pack up and get out for the night.
20:17 < BarkingFish> Night all :)
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20:23 < Demiurge1000> And thus it ends.
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20:53 < LtNOWIS> man it's annoying to see the new Hong Kong flag about articles from the 70s
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20:53 < LtNOWIS> 19 more Chess olympiad articles left to fix, but I gotta sleep now
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21:03 < LtNOWIS> ugh, Assange stuff on the main page?
21:03 < LtNOWIS> he's a disgrace to wikis.
21:03 < Elduen> Oh?
21:04 < Isarra> Organisation is hard. How do you organise things?
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21:05 < Elduen> By color.
21:05 < Pharos> alphabetically
21:05 < LtNOWIS> you can't organise things by color.
21:05 < LtNOWIS> you can organize things by color
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21:05 < Isarra> I have a file full of stuff. I need to break it up into different files based on stuff. But what stuff should I base it on?
21:05 < Isarra> It's php-coloured.
21:06 * Elduen knows nothing about php, and shuts up.
21:06 < Isarra> This has next to nothing to do with the actual php.
21:06 < Isarra> I just need to organise it.
21:06 < Isarra> Somehow.
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21:07 < Pharos> why do you need to break it up?
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21:08 < Isarra> Because it's big and scary.
21:08 < Elduen> Organize by the type of information?
21:08 < Pharos> cut the baby in two
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21:09 < Isarra> It's the localsettings.php for a wikifarm. >.<
21:09 < Isarra> So there's common stuff, global stuff, weird stuff, really weird stuff, random stuff, what the crap is wrong with these people stuff...
21:10 * Isarra contemplates creating a WhatTheCrapIsWrongWithThesePeopleSettings.php.
21:10 < Pharos> reverse the polarity of the neutron flow
21:10 * Isarra starts giggling.
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21:11 < Isarra> '$stdlogo' just seems wrong, somehow...
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21:12 < Elduen> So apparently Kentucky state legislators were "surprised" to discover that standard science tests in public schools feature evolution.
21:13 < Isarra> Shocking.
21:13 < Pharos> i would be surprised
21:13 < Pharos> it's kentucky!
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21:13 < Isarra> Apparently I'm dense enough that a wikipedian said about me 'good grief!'
21:14 < Pharos> this is an admirable achievement
21:14 < Isarra> Huh.
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21:17 < LtNOWIS> I'm also dissapointed Idiot and disgrace to feminism Naomi Wolf was invoked in WP:ITN/C
21:17 < LtNOWIS> dissapointed that*
21:18 < Elduen> I hate everything and am full of vitriol.
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21:18 < Elduen> In my spare time, I spread this to others.
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21:20 < LtNOWIS> I've never found any practical use for my high school evolution instruction
21:20 < lahwran> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_space
21:20 < lahwran> so many things don't know about this
21:20 < lahwran> so they treat it as a letter
21:21 < lahwran> so you can evade filters and pretend to use commands and all sorts of stuff because every font renderer on the planet supports it, but nearly no filtering system does
21:21 < LtNOWIS> in any event I spend much more time contributing to Wikipedia than I do complaining about stuff I don't like here
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21:41 < Jasper_Deng_busy> !admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.251.125.65 banned user
21:42 < Jasper_Deng_busy> w/o AIV response
21:44 < Jasper_Deng_busy> seems trollish
21:44 < Riley_Huntley> Ello
21:44 < Riley_Huntley> Any one able to link me to some templates that say "This user is currently on a vacation" or something like that
21:45 < Jasper_Deng_busy> {{Vacation3}}
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21:45 < Riley_Huntley> Thank you
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22:22 < Apheori> Juice.
22:22 < Mdann52> Hi :)
22:23 * Apheori fuses Mdann52 with a juice.
22:23 < Mdann52> I don't want to be apple flavoured!
22:24 < Apheori> It's for SCIENCE!
22:24 < Apheori> Oh, and it's cranberry; don't worry.
22:24 < Mdann52> Can you check if you can change me back?
22:24 < Tony_Sidaway> This is one problem I must address: my daughter's use of my bed as a playground for her pet rats. It isn't easy to sleep when your bedclothes have a faint whiff of rat piss.
22:25 < Apheori> Why would I want to do that?
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22:25 < Mdann52> Tony_Sidaway, :)
22:25 < Apheori> Tony_Sidaway: Better than leaving about a gallon of dirt in the middle of a carpetted floor, though.
22:26 < Apheori> Especially when that gallon of dirt contains about a dozen rocks and is covered in bits of random plants.
22:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Are we back to the "jar of dirt" thing from last night?
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22:27 < Apheori> Somewhat.
22:27 < Apheori> Except I've never seen a jar this big.
22:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori who uses "gallons" still
22:27 < Apheori> More like ten gallons...
22:27 < Apheori> ToAruShiroiNeko: The people who labelled this pot.
22:28 < Tony_Sidaway> I somehow managed to misunderstnad last night. I assumed the reference was metaphorical and derived from a film about pirates.
22:28 < Apheori> Which apparently holds ten gallons and is full of dirt.
22:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori if he is named harry, would that be harry pot labeler?
22:28 < Apheori> ...sure.
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22:29 < Tony_Sidaway> SHow of hands: Who would rather sleep in a bed that smells of male pet rat urine, and who would rather share a bedroom with a glass jar full of dirt (the American meaning of the word, I assume) and plants and rocks?
22:30 < Apheori> I never said anything about a jar.
22:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Okay, a bucket or pot.
22:31 < Apheori> The bulk of the dirt is now in a pot, but it's still all over the floor and there are rocks and random bits of decaying plant matter everywhere.
22:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, I see. That is more serious than I thought.
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22:31 < Apheori> It's a bit of a mess.
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22:32 < Apheori> Ideally you'd need to get the bedding washed and I'd need a rake and a really powerful vacuum cleaner, though.
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22:35 < Peter-C> I am going to Peru bitches <3
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22:36 < Mdann52> I'm in Italy :)
22:36 < Peter-C> :O
22:36 * Peter-C flips over Mdann52
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22:38 < Riley_Huntley> I'm going to work bitches
22:38 < Riley_Huntley> >:(
22:38 < Mdann52> ;)
22:38 < Apheori> I have a dirt-covered knife.
22:38 < Peter-C> Riley_Huntley - lame
22:39 < Mdann52> I'm on holiday
22:39 < Riley_Huntley> Peter-C: Go wash some ambulances
22:39 < Peter-C> Why? I’M GOING TO PERU!
22:39 < Peter-C> Apheori - why.
22:39 < Peter-C> WHY.
22:39 < Peter-C> why.
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22:40 < Apheori> I found it in the pile of dirt the other day.
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22:40 < Peter-C> After you used a shovel to dig a hole to hide a dead body in
22:40 < Riley_Huntley> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387153_435967983111699_973932210_n.jpg
22:41 < Apheori> It wasn't that big of a pile of dirt. >.>
22:41 < Demiurge1000> admins r sleepy tonight... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#K._Michelle_-_Legal_Threat
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22:45 < Sven_Manguard> Who's still awake? I need AWB help.
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22:47 < Riley_Huntley> Sven_Manguard: What exactly?
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22:48 < Sven_Manguard> I want to remove {{File at CCI|user=Arab League}} from all pages that have it. I already have all the pages in the queue
22:48 < Sven_Manguard> but I need to get it to zap the category
22:48 < Sven_Manguard> and I don't know how to set that up
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22:49 < Tony_Sidaway> Apheori: I think I'll probably concentrate on getting her to feed the rats on a fragrant diet so my bedroom will be filled with a beautiful aroma.
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22:50 < Tony_Sidaway> This could be the world's most innovative perfume delivery system.
22:50 < Riley_Huntley> Sven_Manguard: Is the category on the articles or in the template?
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22:51 < Sven_Manguard> Everything tagged with {{File at CCI|user=Arab League}} is added to Category:File at CCI by Arab League. I already loaded all the files in Category:File at CCI by Arab League into my queue. Now I need to run through and remove {{File at CCI|user=Arab League}} from all the pages.
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22:51 < Riley_Huntley> Use File and replace
22:51 < Riley_Huntley> Find*
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22:52 < Tony_Sidaway> When she had a parrot we would feed it on nice, tasty fruit. This was pretty important, because to a parrot the toilet is that part of the world that isn't the air.
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22:52 < Riley_Huntley> Sven_Manguard: Find: {{File at CCI|user=Arab League}} Replace with:
22:52 * Mdann52 wonders if Tony_Sidaway is mad
22:52 < Sven_Manguard> okay
22:52 < Sven_Manguard> trying now
22:54 < Sven_Manguard> It didn't work
22:54 < Riley_Huntley> Hmm
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22:55 < Riley_Huntley> Weird. I have done that once before
22:56 < Sp33dyphil> Peter-C, Sven Manguard, ToAruShiroiNeko, Demiurge1000: hi
22:56 < Peter-C> hola
22:56 < Sven_Manguard> I got it to work.
22:56 < Sven_Manguard> Just was doing it wrong.
22:56 < Riley_Huntley> What did you change?
22:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Mdann52: I can confirm that I am mad. I am rewriting the jump table of a VM to conform to strict C++ but remain efficient.
22:57 < Mdann52> ....................
22:59 < Isarra> ...why?
23:00 < Mdann52> Isarra, because he is mad
23:00 < Isarra> Apparently.
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23:02 * Peter-C licks Isarra
23:02 < Mdann52> Oh no......
23:02 < Mdann52> Not him :)
23:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Isarra: I want to know if it can be done.
23:03 * Isarra sticks Peter-C's thumb in her eye.
23:03 < Peter-C> :O
23:03 < Bsadowski1> :O
23:03 < Isarra> Ah.
23:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Modern compilers really ought to make it a close thing.
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23:05 < guerillero> is tony causing a stir
23:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Back in the 1980s I had a JIT concept that I never got around to trying. Now JIT compilers (which in those days didn't even have a name) are all the rage so I can have a go with my ideas on a real system.
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23:07 < Tony_Sidaway> (JIT = "Just in time" --the idea of compiling certain code just ahead of execution for a speed boost).
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23:12 < suicidalzerg> God, these wasps just won't die.
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23:13 < suicidalzerg> There isn't a single wasp in the trap I set.
23:13 < suicidalzerg> There is a fly in there though >.>
23:13 < Mdann52> ....
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23:20 < Tony_Sidaway_> I'm sleeping in the attic bed. My other bed is too pongy.
23:20 < Mdann52> Ok.........
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23:23 < Mdann52> Any admins here?
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23:36 < Peter-C> da faq
23:36 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pLXCYbwnGo&feature=player_detailpage
23:36 < Peter-C> NSFL
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23:43 < Russavia> Don't suppose anyone here speaks Afrikaans?
23:43 < Demiurge1000> Are you planning to re-enact the siege of Mafeking?
23:44 < Russavia> Well I am planning an assault...of sorts
23:46 < Russavia> The day of attack has been pencilled in for early May 2013
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23:50 < Peter-C> I curse a lot.
23:51 < Russavia> Bullshit u do
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23:51 < Russavia> Coz if u did you would have said "fucking eh, I fucking swear fucking shitloads"
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