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:My issue is not so much "with Selina". My issue is the cumulative impact of a message forum that has been slipping ever downhill in terms of quality, informed criticism of Wikipedia. The straw that broke the camel's back is that the site's owner is, as far as we are all concerned, a '''fictitious''' character. And if you question her identity (even in jest), the threat comes back that not only might such questions be censored, moved, or deleted, but ''the whole damn site'' might very well be shut down in a dramatic puff of indignant smoke. I thought the needless drama was reserved for Wikipedia, not Wikipedia Review. When you couple all of this with the fact that "Selina" (or whomever operates that character identity) altered posts of mine in order to irritate me (one of the top contributors to "her" site), and then compounded that affront by surveying my ''private'' messages issued to others in the community, there is really no reason why a self-respecting adult (or child) should willingly want to participate in such a forum. I have ''[http://www.Akahele.org Akahele.org]'', and while it is not a forum, I think the aspects of "guest article" and "comments" are good enough, for the trade-off that higher-quality, more informed, and ''attributed'' content will grace its pages. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 05:46, 12 August 2009 (PDT)
:My issue is not so much "with Selina". My issue is the cumulative impact of a message forum that has been slipping ever downhill in terms of quality, informed criticism of Wikipedia. The straw that broke the camel's back is that the site's owner is, as far as we are all concerned, a '''fictitious''' character. And if you question her identity (even in jest), the threat comes back that not only might such questions be censored, moved, or deleted, but ''the whole damn site'' might very well be shut down in a dramatic puff of indignant smoke. I thought the needless drama was reserved for Wikipedia, not Wikipedia Review. When you couple all of this with the fact that "Selina" (or whomever operates that character identity) altered posts of mine in order to irritate me (one of the top contributors to "her" site), and then compounded that affront by surveying my ''private'' messages issued to others in the community, there is really no reason why a self-respecting adult (or child) should willingly want to participate in such a forum. I have ''[http://www.Akahele.org Akahele.org]'', and while it is not a forum, I think the aspects of "guest article" and "comments" are good enough, for the trade-off that higher-quality, more informed, and ''attributed'' content will grace its pages. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 05:46, 12 August 2009 (PDT)
::I agree in regards to WR going downhill. Ever since late 2007, something about Wikipedia Review seems much different, with lots of pro-Wikipedia types coming in and the amount of serious, intelligent criticism decreased. And I am not sure of the current and past states of the ownership of WR. But I do know that while some of the critics are still posting, they are outnumbered by the pro-Wikipedia posters, or Wikipedia-tolerant posters, who are not interested in analysis. Yes, there were some problems in the pre-2008 Wikipedia Review, but not on nearly as large a scale as now. And I don't know why Selina would do that, regarding the PMs. Definitely something is wrong when the owner deliberately tries to bait one of the top posters and then looks at his private messages.
As far as WR's ownership goes, I have made a post [http://forum.encyc.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=173 here] in regards to that, and I asked some questions there. My e-mail is happydelsim (at) aol.com, if you want to contact me. [[User:Jonas Rand|Jonas Rand]] 20:23, 12 August 2009 (PDT)