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*During the early Communist occupation in Trieste, Gorizia and the Littoral, and the 40 days of [[Communists|Communist]] rule in Trieste city, some 6000 arrests were made and the prisoners carried off to Communist-controlled areas. When the Allies finally imposed their rule they found out about the Yugoslav execution squads. The more objective Italian historians and statisticians such as Galliano Fogar and Raoul Pupo point to between 1000 and 1800 [[Italy|Italians]] and [[Slovenia|Slovene]] victims. The Red Cross estimates that 2,250 failed to return , in rough agreement with Bogdan Novak who said in 1971 that 4200 Italians returned out of 6000 arrested. </ref>  

*During the early Communist occupation in Trieste, Gorizia and the Littoral, and the 40 days of [[Communists|Communist]] rule in Trieste city, some 6000 arrests were made and the prisoners carried off to Communist-controlled areas. When the Allies finally imposed their rule they found out about the Yugoslav execution squads. The more objective Italian historians and statisticians such as Galliano Fogar and Raoul Pupo point to between 1000 and 1800 [[Italy|Italians]] and [[Slovenia|Slovene]] victims. The Red Cross estimates that 2,250 failed to return , in rough agreement with Bogdan Novak who said in 1971 that 4200 Italians returned out of 6000 arrested. </ref>  

Encyclopaedia Britannica states:

Encyclopaedia Britannica:<ref>Encyclopaedia Britannica: Croatia</ref>

*''British commanders refused to accept their surrender and handed them over to the Partisans, who took a merciless revenge. Tens of thousands, including many civilians, were subsequently slaughtered on forced marches and in death camps.''<ref>Encyclopaedia Britannica: Croatia</ref>

{{Cquote|''British commanders refused to accept their surrender and handed them over to the Partisans, who took a merciless revenge. Tens of thousands, including many civilians, were subsequently slaughtered on forced marches and in death camps.''}}

Additionally there is the ethnic cleansing of ethnic [[Directory:Germany|Germans]], [[Hungary|Hungarians]] and [[Italy|Italians]] of the former Yugoslavia.<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=lang_en&id=RWZLZaxPUXQC&oi=fnd&pg=PA8&ots=xdn2wNxBWP&sig=WN_VKCu5q6lVUOsSoxHdPJGiB-w#v=snippet&q=killed&f=false Communist Retaliation and Persecution on Yugoslav Territory During and After WWII] by Dr. Ph. Michael Portmann:

Additionally there is the ethnic cleansing of ethnic [[Directory:Germany|Germans]], [[Hungary|Hungarians]] and [[Italy|Italians]] of the former Yugoslavia.<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=lang_en&id=RWZLZaxPUXQC&oi=fnd&pg=PA8&ots=xdn2wNxBWP&sig=WN_VKCu5q6lVUOsSoxHdPJGiB-w#v=snippet&q=killed&f=false Communist Retaliation and Persecution on Yugoslav Territory During and After WWII] by Dr. Ph. Michael Portmann:

'''Jutarnji''' writes on the 01/10/2009 - '''100 000 Victims In 581 Mass Graves'''

'''Jutarnji''' writes on the 01/10/2009 - '''100 000 Victims In 581 Mass Graves'''

:''"In Slovenia, three basic books came out needed for the study of communist crimes in the immediate post-war period. It specifies graves where liquidation and execution of prisoners of war were carried out in its territory.''

{{Cquote|In Slovenia, three basic books came out needed for the study of communist crimes in the immediate post-war period. It specifies graves where liquidation and execution of prisoners of war were carried out in its territory

:''This is a report by the Commission of the Government of the Republic of Slovenia for testing grave sites under the leadership of '''Joze Dezman''' and the historian Mitja Ferenc's (author of the"Hidden in his Father Zakrito" and "“Prikrita Grobišča 60 let po Koncu Druge Svetovne Vojne”). 'The report of the Commission of the Government specifies the number of mass graves and victims and their nationality.''

This is a report by the Commission of the Government of the Republic of Slovenia for testing grave sites under the leadership of '''Joze Dezman''' and the historian Mitja Ferenc's (author of the Hidden in his 'Father Zakrito' & 'Prikrita Grobišča 60 Let po Koncu Druge Svetovne Vojne'). 'The report of the Commission of the Government specifies the number of mass graves and victims and their nationality.

:''In this collection, in Slovenia, there was discovered and detected 581 mass graves in which, the author estimates about 100 000 victims in total. According to the research of Slovenian and Croatian historians, Partisans in Slovenia liquidated most of the Ustasa and home guard units. The Croats accounted for between 50 to 80 thousands casualties."'''

"In this collection, in Slovenia, there was discovered and detected 581 mass graves in which, the author estimates about 100 000 victims in total. According to the research of Slovenian and Croatian historians, Partisans in Slovenia liquidated most of the Ustasa and home guard units. The Croats accounted for between 50 to 80 thousands casualties.}}

The factual evidence (above) has cast a very different light on Josip Broz (the Commander of all Yugoslav Partisans/Communists during WW2). He and his comrades were responsible for these Communist Crimes. Wikipedia's article on this individual, just seems to gloss over the all above mentioned events, or just '''not mention''' at all.

The factual evidence (above) has cast a very different light on [[User talk:Ockham/Wikipedia & Political Agendas#Josip Broz Tito|Josip Broz Tito]] (the Commander of all Yugoslav Partisans/Communists during WW2). He and his comrades were responsible for these Communist Crimes. Wikipedia's article on this individual, just seems to gloss over the all above mentioned events, or just '''not mention''' at all.

'''Note''': Joze Dezman is a Slovenian historian. He is currently the director of the [http://www.muzej-nz.si/eng/eng_o_muzeju.html National Museum of Contemporary History] in Ljubljana, Slovenia.  

'''Note''': Joze Dezman is a Slovenian historian. He is currently the director of the [http://www.muzej-nz.si/eng/eng_o_muzeju.html National Museum of Contemporary History] in Ljubljana, Slovenia.  

== Usage of Wikipedia ==

== Usage of Wikipedia ==

The usage of [[Wikipedia]] as a tool for promoting this type of propaganda is second only to Google itself. It is quite possible that this came about due to the fact that other editors and Admin are simply uneducated in these matters.  

The usage of [[Wikipedia]] as a tool for promoting this type of propaganda is second only to Google itself. It is quite possible that this came about due to the fact that other editors and Admin are simply uneducated in these matters.  

This exposes a major flaw in Wikipedia which is that ''“a group of editors can learn to work the system so they can promote their own point of view, so that the article will become a stated Wiki fact, and itself a piece of history". Is Wikipedia taking on a darker tone? Where are the '''ethical''' & moral issues involved in creating a feel good story about Dictator Josip Broz- Tito.  

This exposes a major flaw in Wikipedia which is that a group of editors ''can learn to work the system so they can promote their own point of view'', so that the article will become a stated Wiki fact, and itself a piece of history. Is Wikipedia taking on a darker tone? Where are the '''ethical''' & moral issues involved in creating a feel good story about Dictator Josip Broz- Tito.  

Encyclopaedia Britannica states:

Encyclopaedia Britannica:<ref>Encyclopaedia Britannica: Slovenia</ref>

* '' After the armistice the British repatriated more than 10,000 Slovene collaborators who had attempted to retreat with the Germans, and '''Tito''' had most of them massacred at the infamous Pits of Kocevje''.

{{Cquote|''After the armistice the British repatriated more than 10,000 Slovene collaborators who had attempted to retreat with the Germans, and '''Tito''' had most of them massacred at the infamous Pits of Kocevje.''}}

== Cult of Personality ==

== Cult of Personality ==

The article doesn't even mention his ''Cult of Personality'':

The article doesn't even mention his ''Cult of Personality'':

* ''Virtually every communist system extinct or surviving at one point or another, had a supreme leader who was both extraordinarily powerful and surrounded by a bizarre cult, indeed worship. In the past (or in a more traditional contemporary societies) such as cults were reserved for deities and associated with conventional religious behaviour and institutions. These cults although apparently an intrinsic part of communist dictatorships (at any rate at a stage in their evolution) are largely forgotten today.''

{{Cquote|Virtually every communist system extinct or surviving at one point or another, had a supreme leader who was both extraordinarily powerful and surrounded by a bizarre cult, indeed worship. In the past (or in a more traditional contemporary societies) such as cults were reserved for deities and associated with conventional religious behaviour and institutions. These cults although apparently an intrinsic part of communist dictatorships (at any rate at a stage in their evolution) are largely forgotten today.

* ''Stalin, Maio, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Sung, Enver Hoxha, Ceascesu, Dimitrov, Ulbricht, Gottwald, '''Tito''' and others all were the object of such cults. The prototypical cult was that of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin Stalin] which was duplicated elsewhere with minor variations”''

Stalin, Maio, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Sung, Enver Hoxha, Ceascesu, Dimitrov, Ulbricht, Gottwald, '''Tito''' and others all were the object of such cults. The prototypical cult was that of '''Stalin''' which was duplicated elsewhere with minor variations.}}

Referenced from Paul Hollander's '''‘Discontents: Post-modern and Post-communist’'''  Paul Hollander is an American scholar, journalist, and conservative political writer. (Ph.D in Sociology. Princeton University, 1963, B.A. London School of Economics, 1959 Professor Emeritus of Sociology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst Centre Associate, Davis)

Above is referenced from Paul Hollander's '''‘Discontents: Post-modern and Post-communist’'''  Paul Hollander is an American scholar, journalist, and conservative political writer. (Ph.D in Sociology. Princeton University, 1963, B.A. London School of Economics, 1959 Professor Emeritus of Sociology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst Centre Associate, Davis)

<ref> Discontents: Post-modern and Post-communist by Paul Hollander.</ref>  

<ref> Discontents: Post-modern and Post-communist by Paul Hollander.</ref>  

A interesting fact is that the article does not mention that Josip Broz and his fellow communist were committing economic suicide in the 1960's and 70's.Factual statements on economic realities of Josip Broz and his fellow Communists:

A interesting fact is that the article does not mention that Josip Broz and his fellow communist were committing economic suicide in the 1960's and 70's.Factual statements on economic realities of Josip Broz and his fellow Communists:

*'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''' states:  

*'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''' states:  

''"At his death, the state treasury was empty"''<ref>Encyclopaedia Britannica-History & Society: Josip Broz Tito</ref>

''"At his death, the state treasury was empty"'' <ref>Encyclopaedia Britannica-History & Society: Josip Broz Tito</ref>

*'''BBC''' UK/History by Tim Judah:  

*'''BBC''' UK/History by Tim Judah:  

''"The economy was built on the shaky foundations of massive western loans."'' <ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/yugoslavia_03.shtml BBC-History by Tim Judah:]

''"The economy was built on the shaky foundations of massive western loans."'' <ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/yugoslavia_03.shtml BBC-History by Tim Judah:]

:A brief reading of the newspaper reports, however, will suffice to make it clear that the trial was first and foremost a gigantic political propaganda stunt whose double aim was first to show Britain and America as the irreconcilable enemies of the new Yugoslavia, and second, finally to frighten off anyone who might still think that it is possible to associate with officials of the Western countries and get away with it. </ref> (taken from R. J. Rummel: Death by Government)<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=N1j1QdPMockC&pg=PA354&lpg=PA354&dq=Frank+Waddams,+a+British+representative+who+had+lived+outside+of+Belgrade&source=bl&ots=0ogZwcLZau&sig=fTZXy1TLYBQBJnbyYCoeyZ61ABw&hl=en&ei=e13IStXNJZiQ6APPjMXKDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=Frank%20Waddams%2C%20%20British%20representative%20who%20had%20lived%20outside%20of%20Belgrade&f=false Frank Waddams, a British representative in the former Yugoslavia] Death by Government by R. J. Rummel.Page 354. </ref>

:A brief reading of the newspaper reports, however, will suffice to make it clear that the trial was first and foremost a gigantic political propaganda stunt whose double aim was first to show Britain and America as the irreconcilable enemies of the new Yugoslavia, and second, finally to frighten off anyone who might still think that it is possible to associate with officials of the Western countries and get away with it. </ref> (taken from R. J. Rummel: Death by Government)<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=N1j1QdPMockC&pg=PA354&lpg=PA354&dq=Frank+Waddams,+a+British+representative+who+had+lived+outside+of+Belgrade&source=bl&ots=0ogZwcLZau&sig=fTZXy1TLYBQBJnbyYCoeyZ61ABw&hl=en&ei=e13IStXNJZiQ6APPjMXKDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=Frank%20Waddams%2C%20%20British%20representative%20who%20had%20lived%20outside%20of%20Belgrade&f=false Frank Waddams, a British representative in the former Yugoslavia] Death by Government by R. J. Rummel.Page 354. </ref>

:''"Frank Waddams, a British representative who had lived outside of Belgrade, said he knew first hand of ten “concentration camps” and had talked with inmates from nearly all of them. :“ The tale is always the same, he said “ Starvation, overcrowding, brutality and death condition, which make Dachau and Buchenwald mild by comparison. Many Slovenes who were released from Dachau at the end of the war came home only to find themselves in a Slovene camp within a few days. It is from these people that the news has come that the camps are worse than Dachau.” Out of a Slovene population of 1,200,000, Waddams believes that 20,000 to 30,000 were imprisoned."

{{Cquote|''Frank Waddams, a British representative who had lived outside of Belgrade, said he knew first hand of ten “concentration camps” and had talked with inmates from nearly all of them: “The tale is always the same, he said “ Starvation, overcrowding, brutality and death condition, which make Dachau and Buchenwald mild by comparison. Many Slovenes who were released from Dachau at the end of the war came home only to find themselves in a Slovene camp within a few days. It is from these people that the news has come that the camps are worse than Dachau.” Out of a Slovene population of 1,200,000, Waddams believes that 20,000 to 30,000 were imprisoned."}}

== Media ==

== Media ==

* '''Ian Cuthbertson''' review of ''Tito's Ghosts'' on [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/balkans-hero-with-a-bloodthirsty-streak/story-e6frg8mf-1111117435895 www.theaustralian.com.au]

* '''Ian Cuthbertson''' review of ''Tito's Ghosts'' on [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/balkans-hero-with-a-bloodthirsty-streak/story-e6frg8mf-1111117435895 www.theaustralian.com.au]

'''(a)''' Josip Broz Tito, the hard man who managed to unite Yugoslavia after World War II, has long been regarded as somehow less awful than his fellow communist leaders. This French documentary makes it clear that even now, after Yugoslavia has disintegrated (mostly chaotically), Tito is still adored by some in the Balkans, with festivals commemorating his birthday and enthusiasts kissing his statue and declaring their love for him.

{{Cquote|Josip Broz Tito, the hard man who managed to unite Yugoslavia after World War II, has long been regarded as somehow less awful than his fellow communist leaders. This French documentary makes it clear that even now, after Yugoslavia has disintegrated (mostly chaotically), Tito is still adored by some in the Balkans, with festivals commemorating his birthday and enthusiasts kissing his statue and declaring their love for him.

'''(b)''' Turned back from Austria by the Allies and handed over to Tito's forces, they were executed in the woods without trial. Investigations in Slovenia have found evidence to suggest the dead were naked, or partly naked, and tied with wire when they were killed.The graves' existence was an open secret for decades, yet they were not documented and not commonly discussed.  

Turned back from Austria by the Allies and handed over to Tito's forces, they were executed in the woods without trial. Investigations in Slovenia have found evidence to suggest the dead were naked, or partly naked, and tied with wire when they were killed.The graves' existence was an open secret for decades, yet they were not documented and not commonly discussed.  

'''(c)''' Yet Tito, internationally feted unifier of Yugoslavia, wrought violence on many fronts. His purges were merciless, and his forces rounded up thousands of suspected opponents and sent them to a prison on Goli Otok (Barren Island) where they were beaten, tortured and killed.

Yet Tito, internationally feted unifier of Yugoslavia, wrought violence on many fronts. His purges were merciless, and his forces rounded up thousands of suspected opponents and sent them to a prison on Goli Otok (Barren Island) where they were beaten, tortured and killed.}}

== See also ==

== See also ==