Directory:The Wikipedia Point of View/TBP

Affirmation and denial

• FT2 tacitly admits to being User:TBP on an earlier version of his user page [1]. He brags "Created (or effectively rewritten) from scratch: [ ... ] Hani_Miletski ... Kenneth_Pinyan [ ... ]" Both were created and substantially written by TBP, with only minor input from the FT2 account[2]. The contribution of the FT2 account was one sentence [3]. By contrast the TBP account created and expanded the article nearly into its present form [4]
• Avoids the question.
  • Proabivouac: "FT2, for the third time: If User:TBP wasn't you, why did you take credit for his work?" FT2 replies: "TBP is his own topic. And I routinely let others take credit for work I significantly help with, or delicate posts I help them with wording, or disputes they aren't so sure how to approach, it's well known amongst both admin and non-admin users. I'll open that when I'm round next time (away today)." [5]
  • Strange, because he wasn't letting TBP take credit for his work, rather, he was taking credit for TBP's work.
  • PB - "Whom you allow to take credit for your work is completely irrelevant here, FT2. If TBP isn't you, you have wrongfully claimed his work as your own. In the real world, that's a much bigger deal than Wikipedia sockpuppetry." [6])
• Appears to admit it (Wikipedia Review) [7]
• But denies the account was his, on his talk page [8].
• TBP contributions to talk pages [9], see especially [10]

Evidence of socking

Bestiality

• FT2 and TBP working one after another. FT2 mitigating bestial activities [11]
• Working on the same section as FT2 at the same time: [12], [13]
• Working on the same paragraph within the same 24 hours: [14]
• FT2 using TBP to remove sourced information about the low IQ etc of zoophiles [15]
• Pushing for normality of sexual attraction to animals (unsourced) [16]
• Pushing for zoosexuality (another fringe way of normalizing bestiality): [17]
• Working consequently on zoosadism article [18]
• Working on the same line in Rainbow Bridge article [19], [20]
• Working on the same issues of the emotion in animals article [21]
• Working on the ethology article, one diff after another [22]
• Working on FT2’s favorite pro-zoo researcher on the same sentence [23], [24]

NLP related

• More diffs one after another
  • TPB makes a statement about being trained by top NLP promoters. [25]
  • TBP giving FT2's reply: [26], [27], [28]
• Defending TBP as a sockpuppet in the NLP discussion. [29]. He says "One editor, User:TBP, was explicitly self-identified as a sock puppet on his talk page before becoming involved in this article Oct 17 DIFF. He played no part in the vote or its discussion, and only a minor role in the talk page debate, mostly between Oct 27-29. "
• Note the diff he refers to [30] is no longer available because an administrator has deleted the evidence.
• FT2’s sockpuppetry continuing until FT2 is close to request for adminship: [31]

Edgeplay

TBP only makes 3 edits to edgeplay, as follows

13:33, 18 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Edgeplay
13:29, 18 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Edgeplay
13:29, 18 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Edgeplay

FT2 only makes two edits.

08:33, 4 November 2005 (hist) (diff) Edgeplay? (remove mis-spelt "beastiality" -- its already in the list as "zoophilia" anyhow)
22:28, 18 October 2005 (hist) (diff) m Edgeplay? (wikify)

of which the 18 October edit is significant, because it wikifies an edit made directly before by TBP [32]. The 4 November edit is also significant because the FT2 account removes the term 'bestiality' added by another editor, which the TBP account had also removed some time before.

Evidence of stacking

• After FT2 has given Seus Hawkins a lecture, User:TBP turns up to reinforce the point. [33]
• FT2 accuses User:Faxx of being a sock, and then follows it up with a comment from 'TBP'. [34]
• TBP comments on FT2 [35]
• From the thread on Wikipedia Review [36]

Conflict of interest?

In this edit, TBP claims to have been trained in NLP under John Seymour and Joseph O'Connor, the first two major UK trainers, in NLP, in 1990. Later he says that he has used NLP for five years (i.e. from approx. 2000 to 2005). "I will simply say, I have studied this, under world class teachers, for some ten years, and been using it a further five beyond that." [37]

This strongly suggests TBP/FT2 practises NLP commercially, and also suggests a motive for creating the TBP account. FT2 felt he needed to speak with authority about NLP, and could only do so by revealing his credentials. But this would mean revealing a conflict of interest between his commercial practice of NLP, and his creation of almost all the NLP-related articles in Wikipedia. A conflict he denied later [38].

Non-overlapping edits

The following table shows a sequence of edits by FT2 and TBP in time order. Both editors are remarkably active. Yet curiously there is very little overlap between the two accounts. FT2 edits continuously for a couple of hours, then TBP takes over and FT2 stops. The only overlap is when they are both working on the same article (or talk page - see the comments above about 'stacking').

FT2	TBP
06:22, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Prophet (Allen 1971, see Allen 1971 vol 3 "Judges" "The seer-priest")
	06:13, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	06:10, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	06:07, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	06:04, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (I don't know why you duplicate exactly the same text twice, in two places, but if you must, then at least cite and context it correctly.)
	06:02, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (And again, if you must quote Morgan, at least state accurately the context within which he wrote)
	06:00, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan does not say "NLP is dubious". he gives a personal opinion in an article, that there is no need for "dubious" means to find how minds work. (re previous edit))
	05:59, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming
	05:55, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:36, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (extra line space for clarity)
	05:25, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:24, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:24, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:21, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (No, Morgan is not a "study". See his own full copy of his article on his website, it's clearly just an opinion and discussion of Heap.)
	05:16, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:15, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:14, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:09, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:08, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	05:06, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
04:34, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) SCO-Linux controversies (The Michael Davidson Email)
04:33, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) SCO-Linux controversies (The Michael Davidson Email)
04:32, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) SCO-Linux controversies (The Michael Davidson Email)
	03:30, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Platt)
	03:29, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Platt)
	03:29, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Platt)
	03:17, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan and Heap)
	03:16, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Morgan references changed to Heap references. Morgan did no research whatsoever; it is inappropriate to describe him as doing so. See Talk and prev edits. These are Heap's research *quoted* by morgan.)
01:04, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) m Cultural and historical background of Jesus (Fix attribution Orlinsky/Allen)
01:02, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Sefer Torah (Usage)
01:01, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Sefer Torah (Usage)
00:56, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Reincarnation
00:50, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Execution (legal) (clarify execution v. other killings.)
00:45, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Kurt Gödel
00:42, 29 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Double bind (explain "anti-biological")
	23:20, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (rvt: No, HeadleyDown, Morgan is not a research source. See Talk. If Heap's view was cited by 20 other people, it doesn't make them 20 additional "sources" of research.)
22:31, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Eicosapentaenoic acid
	21:49, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	21:41, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	19:15, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	18:32, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	18:23, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	18:18, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (2 POVs)
	18:04, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	18:03, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	13:13, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	13:12, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	13:11, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	13:09, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:59, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:55, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:19, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:16, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:14, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:12, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (2 POVs)
	12:06, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (References)
	12:05, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Remove morgan as a source, morgan is merely noting and reflecting heap's results, which are cited already as sources.)
	12:02, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:59, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:55, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (2 POVs)
	09:36, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:38, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:37, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:08, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:07, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:05, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:04, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:03, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:02, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
02:01, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
00:47, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
00:38, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:31, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:28, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:26, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:25, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:20, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:19, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:15, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:11, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:08, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
00:03, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
00:00, 28 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
23:07, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
23:05, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
23:03, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
22:56, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) m Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
22:54, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
22:25, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus
22:23, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
22:18, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
22:16, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Slrubenstein
22:14, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
22:11, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
20:34, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP in the 2000's: Background)
20:33, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:31, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
20:29, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Section addition - explanation)
20:23, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:21, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:17, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:16, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:10, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:09, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:08, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:04, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Common approaches to NLP)
20:02, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Neuro-linguistic programming (Draft section attempt, describing how NLP contains both reputable and unreputable elements and to characterize current talk page discussion. Probably will need heavy revision when consensus reached.)
19:19, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus (two changes)
	17:42, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	17:37, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
17:34, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Common Christian views of Judaism)
17:29, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Common Jewish views of Christianity)
17:27, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Evangelism)
17:26, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (War, violence and pacifism)
17:25, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (War, violence and pacifism)
17:24, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (War, violence and pacifism)
17:19, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Judgement)
17:15, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (The nature of religion: national versus universal)
17:13, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
17:07, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
17:05, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
17:04, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
17:03, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
17:01, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
16:54, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
16:52, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
16:50, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Raison d'etre of the religion)
16:47, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism
16:19, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Move "sin" before "good deeds", article flows better)
16:05, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Some minor tweaks; also move "bible" higher, because it fits better higher up and because description of "torah" is needed for earlier sections.)
15:59, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (The nature of religion: national versus universal)
15:57, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) m Christianity and Judaism (the phrase "becoming a child of abraham" conveys an impression that conversion is centered around the parent/child aspect, wheeras its about joining the people. Deleted to avoid misleading.)
15:54, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism
15:53, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism
15:52, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism
15:50, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Christianity and Judaism (Rework last sentence of intro based upon previous edit. (I don't like the word "huge", but "considerable" is too mild for the wide range that exists. Any suggestions))
	15:34, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	15:02, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	13:42, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:24, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:22, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:18, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:16, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:12, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	12:10, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:51, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:50, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:49, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:45, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:41, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
	11:24, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
11:14, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
11:10, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming
11:07, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming (Mediation Requests)
00:42, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Control freak
00:42, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Control freak (Definition)
00:41, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Control freak (Definition)
00:41, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Control freak (Definition)
00:37, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Template talk:Disambig/Archive2 (problem with Google & multi-word titles)
00:07, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Wikipedia talk:Neutral Point Of View
00:06, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Wikipedia talk:Neutral Point Of View
00:04, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Wikipedia talk:Neutral Point Of View
00:04, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) m Wikipedia talk:Neutral Point Of View
00:04, 27 October 2005 (hist) (diff) Wikipedia talk:Neutral Point Of View (Science)