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== Please fix your Google docs ==
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== "Sam Blacketer" ==
  
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It is now over a year since. I have published quite clearly what the problem is. Let me reiterate this.
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I decided to post this on your talk page, since you had linked to information about it on your directory. For the record, David Boothroyd lied to me about his sockpuppetry, when I asked him via his Gmail address if he had any other/previous accounts and why, if so, he was so experienced with formatting from the beginning. He was also evasive about that e-mail address, which had no trace anywhere on the "searchable" internet. I used 3 different search engines and a newsgroup search engine and found nothing using the sam.blacketer (AT) googlemail.com address. I asked him why he did that in my first e-mail to him, and he completely ignored my question. He acknowledged that I mentioned it, but failed to explain his creation and use of that e-mail address.
  
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In 2005 or so I signed up with Classmates.com, putting in my real details in there, so as to try to get in touch with high school friends. I was directed there by a high school friend. I indeed did find 5 or 6 high school friends from there and managed to get in contact with them again.
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These are copies of e-mails between me and Boothroyd. The "Original Message" is still there in messages that I received while using Cox, because I forwarded all messages from my Cox account to my AOL account prior to moving and changing ISPs. My new ISP doesn't have an e-mail service. See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sam_Blacketer&oldid=284681365#Please_answer_my_question this exchange].
  
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After Poetlister was banned, I was talking to her (well, him, really) on MSN and at one point Poetlister was moaning about not being able to get in touch with all of her high school friends.  I therefore suggested Classmates.com to her. 
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<pre><nowiki>
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----- Original Message -----
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From: Sam Blacketer
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To: Jonas Rand
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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Question
  
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When Poetlister joined, she was asked to type in who invited her.  Well, that was me.  So, Poetlister put my name in there in the part that says "who invited you".  I had put in the guy who invited me.  And so forth.
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Jonas Rand <joeyyuan@cox.net> wrote:
  
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I didn't actually know that Poetlister had actually created an account until your Google Docs thing started. I really doubt that it was used in any mischievous way at all, but then again you never know.
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    According to the Arbitrators history chart on the WP:ARBCOM page, you were elected in December
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2007. Could you please explain why your first edits under that account were in December 2006, when
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you appeared to be quite experienced with Wikipedia or at least its formatting, and suddenly one year
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later you are an arbitrator? I also note you have not identified yourself the Wikimedia Foundation,
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and uniquely do not have check user permissions. Are you under the age of 18? Arbitrators, as
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decision makers on the site, have an ethical obligation to identify themselves at least to the site's
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governing body (the WMF), if not publicly. Also of note is the fact that you use a Gmail/Googlemail
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account which has no trace anywhere else on the internet, presumably created for specific use on
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Wikipedia, so that it cannot be connected to your identity. What have your previous account names
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been, if any?
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The point is that you are claiming that I created Poetlister's account, which is a total load of bull. I invited Poetlister to join.  Indeed, I didn't really even do that.  I just suggested going there to get a hold of class mates.
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None. Jonas, I hope you don't mind but I notice you have a blog which covers wikipedia issues. I'm
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happy to tell you a little more about myself but because arbitrators are sometimes subject of
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personal harassment and adverse publicity, I would like an undertaking that you won't publish or
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disclose anything without my permission.
  
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You put in a lot of assumptions based around that one tiny little thing and it is really offensive, especially as you put in my real name.  You make it sound as if I started the whole thing, which is, of course, a total load of nonsense.
 
  
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What you have written about me is not essential to your case.  Your case is fine without it. 
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Sam Blacketer
  
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What you have written there is defamatory.  It slanders my name.  It is false.  I have proven in the statements above, and if you ever actually go to Classmates.com you can verify it, that what you have said about me is false. 
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Had I created the account, I wouldn't have put my own name there as the invite.  Think about it!  What you have there doesn't prove what you say it proves.
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From: Jonas Rand
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To: Sam Blacketer
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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Question
  
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Now, it has been over a year.  Prove that you are not a liar and remove it.
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I will not disclose anything, however I just found it strange that you did
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not identify to the WMF. I do not use the blog anymore, I was contemplating
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writing in it again, but I will not say anything about this in there.
  
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Thank you. [[User:Blissyu2|Blissyu2]] 09:40, 18 May 2009 (PDT)
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Jonas
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----- Original Message -----
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From: Sam Blacketer
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To: Jonas Rand
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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Question
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I do find it interesting that you think I was "quite experienced with Wikipedia .. formatting" in
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December 2006 because that's certainly not how I found it at the time! I started off by just clicking
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on 'edit this page' and adding the new information following the same format which the existing
 +
information used. Then someone came in and turned a simple list with bullet points into a nice
 +
looking table and I wanted to do the same so I just copied the format. A little bit of fiddling with
 +
it on the sandbox was needed before I got a working understanding.
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Having taken up Wikipedia editing only on finding myself liberated, against my will, from a long-term
 +
relationship, I found it was a very good way of filling a sudden increase in free time and solving a
 +
desire to distract myself. Also it was a good spur to find out about some of the things that I
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remembered from when I was younger. Mostly I write articles about the sort of politicians who I
 +
remember seeing in lists of Parliament, or about events which shook the public attention but seemed
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to have escaped notice. (I'm still surprised no-one wrote about 'I'm Backing Britain' before me as it
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was really big at the time.)
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Possibly it was a big mistake to use a real name when signing up but fortunately 'Sam' was a
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childhood nickname which stuck and not my official first name. I also use a personal email which is
 +
separate but I don't think it would show up in a search. When I was elected to the Arbitration
 +
committee in 2007, much to my own surprise, I didn't want to take the Oversight power offered to all
 +
arbitrators because I couldn't see myself using it. Arbitrators exchange other information and meet
 +
each other so there was no particular concern over verifying I was over 18. I guess the list of
 +
identified users may only list those with the permissions needing verification.
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PS As we're talking in confidence, I thought I ought to tell you that one arbitrator (not me this
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time) was actually quite impressed with some of your blog posts about wikipedia, seeing them as
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mature and reasonable.
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--
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Sam Blacketer
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</nowiki></pre>
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Note that I did not consider my breach of confidentiality an ethical lapse, as Boothroyd lied to me and I have no reason to keep my word. In addition, he needs to be held accountable, for ''all'' he did, including lying to me.
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[[User:Jonas Rand|Jonas Rand]] 07:33, 27 July 2009 (PDT)

Latest revision as of 14:39, 27 July 2009

"Sam Blacketer"

I decided to post this on your talk page, since you had linked to information about it on your directory. For the record, David Boothroyd lied to me about his sockpuppetry, when I asked him via his Gmail address if he had any other/previous accounts and why, if so, he was so experienced with formatting from the beginning. He was also evasive about that e-mail address, which had no trace anywhere on the "searchable" internet. I used 3 different search engines and a newsgroup search engine and found nothing using the sam.blacketer (AT) googlemail.com address. I asked him why he did that in my first e-mail to him, and he completely ignored my question. He acknowledged that I mentioned it, but failed to explain his creation and use of that e-mail address.

These are copies of e-mails between me and Boothroyd. The "Original Message" is still there in messages that I received while using Cox, because I forwarded all messages from my Cox account to my AOL account prior to moving and changing ISPs. My new ISP doesn't have an e-mail service. See also this exchange. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Blacketer
To: Jonas Rand
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Question

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Jonas Rand <joeyyuan@cox.net> wrote:

    According to the Arbitrators history chart on the WP:ARBCOM page, you were elected in December 
2007. Could you please explain why your first edits under that account were in December 2006, when 
you appeared to be quite experienced with Wikipedia or at least its formatting, and suddenly one year 
later you are an arbitrator? I also note you have not identified yourself the Wikimedia Foundation, 
and uniquely do not have check user permissions. Are you under the age of 18? Arbitrators, as 
decision makers on the site, have an ethical obligation to identify themselves at least to the site's 
governing body (the WMF), if not publicly. Also of note is the fact that you use a Gmail/Googlemail 
account which has no trace anywhere else on the internet, presumably created for specific use on 
Wikipedia, so that it cannot be connected to your identity. What have your previous account names 
been, if any?
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None. Jonas, I hope you don't mind but I notice you have a blog which covers wikipedia issues. I'm 
happy to tell you a little more about myself but because arbitrators are sometimes subject of 
personal harassment and adverse publicity, I would like an undertaking that you won't publish or 
disclose anything without my permission.


-- 
Sam Blacketer

========

From: Jonas Rand
To: Sam Blacketer
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Question

I will not disclose anything, however I just found it strange that you did 
not identify to the WMF. I do not use the blog anymore, I was contemplating 
writing in it again, but I will not say anything about this in there.

Jonas

========

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Blacketer
To: Jonas Rand
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Question

I do find it interesting that you think I was "quite experienced with Wikipedia .. formatting" in 
December 2006 because that's certainly not how I found it at the time! I started off by just clicking
 on 'edit this page' and adding the new information following the same format which the existing 
information used. Then someone came in and turned a simple list with bullet points into a nice 
looking table and I wanted to do the same so I just copied the format. A little bit of fiddling with 
it on the sandbox was needed before I got a working understanding.

Having taken up Wikipedia editing only on finding myself liberated, against my will, from a long-term 
relationship, I found it was a very good way of filling a sudden increase in free time and solving a 
desire to distract myself. Also it was a good spur to find out about some of the things that I 
remembered from when I was younger. Mostly I write articles about the sort of politicians who I 
remember seeing in lists of Parliament, or about events which shook the public attention but seemed 
to have escaped notice. (I'm still surprised no-one wrote about 'I'm Backing Britain' before me as it
was really big at the time.)

Possibly it was a big mistake to use a real name when signing up but fortunately 'Sam' was a 
childhood nickname which stuck and not my official first name. I also use a personal email which is 
separate but I don't think it would show up in a search. When I was elected to the Arbitration 
committee in 2007, much to my own surprise, I didn't want to take the Oversight power offered to all 
arbitrators because I couldn't see myself using it. Arbitrators exchange other information and meet 
each other so there was no particular concern over verifying I was over 18. I guess the list of 
identified users may only list those with the permissions needing verification.

PS As we're talking in confidence, I thought I ought to tell you that one arbitrator (not me this 
time) was actually quite impressed with some of your blog posts about wikipedia, seeing them as 
mature and reasonable.

-- 
Sam Blacketer

========

Note that I did not consider my breach of confidentiality an ethical lapse, as Boothroyd lied to me and I have no reason to keep my word. In addition, he needs to be held accountable, for all he did, including lying to me.

Jonas Rand 07:33, 27 July 2009 (PDT)

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