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==Wikimedia Foundation and IRC==
 
==Wikimedia Foundation and IRC==
The Wikimedia Foundation prohibits publishing logs of most of their IRC channels, except for [bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ a very few] that are published by the Foundation including "Office Hours" IRC logs. The owner of Wikipedialogs.com feels that this is contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's stated principles of transparency and openness, and the site was set up the site to help fulfill those principles by publishing these logs.
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The Wikimedia Foundation prohibits publishing logs of most of their IRC channels, except for [https://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ a very few] that are published by the Foundation including "Office Hours" IRC logs. The owner of Wikipedialogs.com feels that this is contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's stated principles of transparency and openness, and the site was set up the site to help fulfill those principles by publishing these logs.
  
 
Former Wikipedia Foundation executive director Sue Gardner disagrees, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sue_Gardner&diff=566302927&oldid=566269021 claiming that IRC is an "ephemeral medium"], and should not be logged, while referring to some of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2011-05-26 her own sexual comments on IRC] as "an informal, jokey exchange".
 
Former Wikipedia Foundation executive director Sue Gardner disagrees, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sue_Gardner&diff=566302927&oldid=566269021 claiming that IRC is an "ephemeral medium"], and should not be logged, while referring to some of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2011-05-26 her own sexual comments on IRC] as "an informal, jokey exchange".

Revision as of 20:40, 3 June 2015

Wikipedialogs.com was a site dedicated to publishing IRC logs of official Wikimedia Foundation IRC channels. The site was closed after a legal threat from the Foundation, and technical difficulties. Despite the legal threat, the domain name is retained by the original owner although its content is now gone.

Wikimedia Foundation and IRC

The Wikimedia Foundation prohibits publishing logs of most of their IRC channels, except for a very few that are published by the Foundation including "Office Hours" IRC logs. The owner of Wikipedialogs.com feels that this is contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's stated principles of transparency and openness, and the site was set up the site to help fulfill those principles by publishing these logs.

Former Wikipedia Foundation executive director Sue Gardner disagrees, claiming that IRC is an "ephemeral medium", and should not be logged, while referring to some of her own sexual comments on IRC as "an informal, jokey exchange".

Legal threat

The Foundation sent a legal threat to the owner, demanding the removal of the site, because of the use of their wordmark "Wikipedia" in the URL. They claim that the use of "Wikipedia" in the URL cultivates an apparent relationship between the two sites. The owner added a disclaimer to the sitenotice (a special page whose text is displayed on all pages), and the Foundation did not send any further legal threats.

Text of the legal threat

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:09:06 -0700
Subject: Use of Wikipedia trademarks on wikipedialogs.com
From: TM Enforcement 
To: [REDACTED] @dildomail.com

To Shawn McNamara, the domain owner of Wikipedialogs,

We at the Wikimedia Foundation recently noticed that your website uses the
word mark, Wikipedia, in its URL. We’re delighted that you like the
Wikimedia projects as much as we do! However, it’s our duty here at the
Foundation to manage all trademarks of the Wikimedia projects in order to
protect the work and reputation of our community members. The word mark,
Wikipedia, happens to be one of the trademarks under our guardianship.

The Wikimedia Foundation and the community have worked hard to gain
worldwide recognition as the source of the largest collaborative
encyclopedia on the internet. As you know, volunteers put in countless
hours of effort to make Wikipedia what it is. Projects’ marks symbolize the
reputation and goodwill created by the efforts of our Foundation and
community more broadly. Because your site uses one of these marks, it could
easily confuse third-party viewers. As you can imagine, we come across
situations like this quite frequently. However, if we allow uses that could
be potentially confuse other viewers, we risk chipping away at the link
between our word mark and the work of the Wikimedia community.

We love your enthusiasm for the Wikipedia projects and your desire to get
involved in their development. But, due to the concerns mentioned above, we
must respectfully ask that you refrain from using our word mark to
cultivate an apparent relationship between our project and your site in the
absence of such official partnership. Please get back to us within 14 days
and let us know that you received this message by responding or emailing us
at tm_enforcement@wikimedia.org. If you have any questions or concerns
about what usages of the trademarks are acceptable, please contact us here
or by email.

Sincerely,

–
Stephen LaPorte
Legal Counsel
Wikimedia Foundation
149 New Montgomery Street, 3rd Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
slaporte@wikimedia.org
415.839.6885 ext. 6793 (Office)
415.882.0495 (Fax)

Technical difficulties

The owner of the site is not good with computers, so the site was managed by a small staff of competent volunteers. Despite this, the site's host experienced a hard disk drive failure, resulting in the loss of most of the site's content. Some material was recovered from a backup collected early in the site's history. Sadly the rest is mostly lost or available only in the Wayback Machine.

Current status

The site is no longer up, but the site's owner has been learning to manage a website, and is soliciting custom software that would allow multiple logbots to operate, thus bypassing bans handed down when individual logbots are exposed by material contained within the logs. The domain name currently points to the owner's personal site, and the owner states that he intends to re-open the site, and is currently collecting logs from Wikimedia Foundation IRC channels.

In January, 2015, the owner of Wikipedialogs.com republished many of the logs from an old backup to MyWikiBiz for research purposes. In December, 2014 and January, 2015, several Wikipedians were globally banned for unstated reasons, and it is hoped that these logs will serve as research material for those who would investigate reasons for those bans. For instance, if a Wikipedian was found to be utilizing Wikimedia Foundation resources (IRC, for example) to arrange for inappropriate contact with others, the logs could provide insight into the reasons for those bans.

Provenance

In 2011, Wikipedia banned a longtime contributor who happened to be affiliated with the GNAA. This contributor had been collecting IRC logs over his several years of contributing to Wikipedia, and he published these to Gnaa.eu in 2011, shortly after his ban from Wikipedia. Many Wikipedians were exposed as using abusive and misogynistic language, which proved embarrassing to them after they had progressed in the ranks of the Wikimedia Foundation and its chapters. The user's affiliation with the GNAA proved a convenient excuse to deny the validity of the logs, but certain Wikipedians have tacitly admitted to the accuracy of the logs by apologizing for things they said on IRC, and which were accurately represented by the logs. After the GNAA stopped publishing the logs, Wikipedialogs.com was set up to take over this vital service.

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