Session Start: Mon Jul 06 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[17:24:30] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia | Status: Up - | Channel guidelines: | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | SUL finalization complete. Please check for the status of your account'
[17:24:30] * Set by Glaisher!Philon@wikimedia/Glaisher on Tue Jun 09 10:07:33 2015
[17:24:31] #wikipedia-en url is
[17:25:43] <Russell1> ok sure, thanks
[17:28:48] <W3ird_N3rd> Elreycontrono, {soap|bed}, I improved it a little
[17:31:26] <W3ird_N3rd> Elreycontrono, I couldn't find those numbers (3000, 388 medals, 25 dead) in the source mentioned so I removed that
[17:31:53] <W3ird_N3rd> I don't know where those numbers come from
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[17:33:48] <W3ird_N3rd> I'm not going to edit the Spanish Wikipedia though. My Spanish is "mucho bueno" which I believe means "a bit rusty"
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[17:37:54] <Elreycontrono> ok, then I will correct these numbers Please advise / ok, entonces corregiré estos números, Gracias por avisar =)
[17:39:46] <W3ird_N3rd> Elreycontrono, please refer to the current version (
[17:40:05] <W3ird_N3rd> if you don't understand something, please ask
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[17:41:52] <{soap|bed}> im curious if russell's propblem was still related to  the template vandfalism
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[17:42:14] <{soap|bed}> but hes gone now
[17:43:18] <{soap|bed}> fwiw Ive made dits on wikis where i dont speak the language., but generally when its mostly numbers or otherwise super extremelyt ovbvious vandalism
[17:43:54] <Elreycontrono> Yes, thank you / si, gracias
[17:44:33] <{soap|bed}> i know enough Spanish that when people around me are talking in Spanish i generally get the gist of it, but i keep my mouth shut because i dont speakk it nearly as well and my American High School Spanish accent is obvious
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[17:45:52] <Elreycontrono> ok =)
[17:46:37] <Elreycontrono> igual, prefiero usar el traductor por si no esta alguien que hable español
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[18:10:33] <Elreycontrono> bueno, lo tomaré en cuenta, gracias
[18:11:45] <The_Photographer> Elreycontrono: please, go to spanish wikipedia channel
[18:12:20] <The_Photographer> Elreycontrono: get away, let go go go, right now, Mexicans go there
[18:12:35] <The_Photographer> latin americans, whatever
[18:13:07] <Elreycontrono> good and so I leave the channel,
[18:13:16] <Elreycontrono> bye =)
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[18:13:58] <The_Photographer> fyi: Elrey is my friend and I am latin american people
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[18:25:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Photographer that wasnt exactly nice. :/
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[19:31:28] <darev> Hello!
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[19:45:12] <{soap|bed}> bbl
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[19:49:00] <git> um, !oversight i think?
[19:49:03] <git> i don't actually know
[19:49:09] <foks> uh
[19:49:10] <foks> well
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[20:21:09] <sleighbells> are there slack channels people are using yet?
[20:22:12] <The_Photographer> m
[20:23:04] <sleighbells> ?
[20:23:19] <KimiNewt> IRC4life
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[20:23:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> - How America Is Like A Bad Boyfriend :/
[20:23:45] <KimiNewt> I use slack at work. It's the same plus integration with pictures, code, files, etc.
[20:23:52] <Iaaasi> May I report an IP sock please?
[20:24:03] <KimiNewt> Which is cool but we've had those abilities forever, I doubt people will move away from IRC soon
[20:24:42] <KimiNewt> but what do I know. maybe there will be a slow migration
[20:24:59] <KimiNewt> Slack is owned by someone, unlike irc. So there's that.
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[20:26:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> KimiNewt so you slack at work?
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[20:28:05] <KimiNewt> I use Slack at work, yes.
[20:28:09] <KimiNewt> I also slack off at times
[20:28:35] <KimiNewt> I do not usually wear slacks
[20:27:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah
[20:27:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that was fun :)
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[20:28:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> So if you wear slacks, while slacking off at work by using slack, is that slack^3?
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[20:28:49] <KimiNewt> Whilst being slack-jawed
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[20:32:52] <KimiNewt> sleep time
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[20:35:28] <marktraceur> And slacklining.
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[20:54:13] <Iaaasi> James_F RE YOU AN ADMIN?
[20:54:26] <Iaaasi> James_F are you an admin?
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[20:55:21] <Amortias> do you need an admin by any chance
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[20:57:14] <Iaaasi> Amortias not for myself, I just to point out a situation
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[20:57:32] <Amortias> ok well point away and if i cant deal with i'll find someone who can
[20:59:09] <Iaaasi> summarily, an indef blocked user was unblocked today, even if he still used IP socks 2 days before his unblock request
[20:59:34] <Iaaasi> the admin unblocking him had no idea of these IP socks
[20:59:54] <Iaaasi> I am now blocked myself, and to notify him would mean to evade my block myself
[21:00:54] <Amortias> ok, you should still be able to edit your own talk page. If you edit there you shold be able to ping the admin in question to advise them of the situation
[21:01:45] <Amortias> if not put an admin help template on your page to draw admin attention to it
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[21:03:31] <Iaaasi> Amortias my talk page was blocked when I requested the correction of a typo (I was said that "I recruit users to edit for myself", even if it was only a typing mistake that I was referring to)
[21:04:41] <Amortias> Ok, one moment
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[21:11:55] <Izhidez> git: is your oversight request been taken care of?
[21:12:01] <git> Izhidez: it has
[21:12:16] <git> i should run for oversight
[21:12:17] <Finnegan> Iaaasi: Why didn't you email this information to the functionaries, like I suggested? No random admin is going to be able to do a sock check for you
[21:13:15] <Amortias> Am getting details from them now to do just that once ive compared editor interaction
[21:14:19] <git> oh i can't run for oversight because i'm not an admin
[21:14:23] <Iaaasi> Finnegan there is no skill needed, evidence are more than obvious
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[21:16:02] <git> i should run for admin and then oversight
[21:16:09] <Iaaasi> Finnegan but I think that I will send the e-mail in the end, I did not ignore your advice
[21:16:31] <Finnegan> that's good
[21:16:45] <Finnegan> it's much more likely to get things sorted out :)
[21:17:49] <git> there's no way i'd ever pass an rfa
[21:18:10] <Iaaasi> Finnegan the advantage of the irc discussion is that the interaction is easier, it is simpler to offer further details if being asked
[21:18:26] <Iaaasi> compared to exchanging e-mails
[21:18:36] <Finnegan> yeah, but checkusers are a reclusive bunch
[21:18:43] <Finnegan> so the odds of finding one by wandering onto IRC are small
[21:19:30] <Iaaasi> Finnegan a CU commented on the indef users' talk apge that he could not find any evidence
[21:19:35] <Iaaasi> funny, isn't it?
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[21:19:59] <Iaaasi> and in fact it is the most obvious sock ever
[21:20:01] <Amortias> depends if they mean technical or behavioural evidence
[21:20:13] <Finnegan> i doubt you'll get a non-CU to contradict that, then. We're usually trained to defer to CU judgment in cases of socking
[21:20:23] <Iaaasi> Amortias I don't know, probably only technical evidence
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[21:21:02] <Finnegan> (assuming it was "evidence doesn't support socking" and not "*shrug* CU shows nothing useful either way")
[21:21:03] <Iaaasi> Finnegan if you are itnerested of the evidence of the latest IP sock, please open
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[21:21:06] <Amortias> Cu will be looking for technical proof mostly if they are running a check but will combine that with behavioural evidence to make an informed judgement. if its a duck though then behavioural does the job
[21:21:52] <Iaaasi> it is a huge duck
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[21:22:35] <Iaaasi> adding a file uploaded by himself of Commons at an article edited by himself on another wiki 2 days ago?
[21:22:56] <Iaaasi> and the IP belongs to a typical range
[21:23:01] <Iaaasi> what is mroe clear than this?
[21:25:05] <Iaaasi> this kind of coincidence has a 1:1,000,000 chance
[21:26:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> <- how is this legal?
[21:29:41] <Iaaasi> Finnegan - please compare these edits:,_1932%E2%80%931993)&diff=16209239&oldid=16063437 and
[21:29:48] <Iaaasi> the same picture added by Norden1990 on hu.wp and the IP on en.wp
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[21:30:04] <Iaaasi> (file uploaded by Norden1990 on Commons)
[21:30:20] <Finnegan> Iaaasi: trying to persuade me isn't a likely-to-pay-off use of your time; I'm not a CU and I find sock investigation alternately confusing and eyeroll-worthy
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[21:31:24] <Iaaasi> Finnegan ok sorry
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[21:52:53] <Qcoder00> Amortias: Heard back from your math guy?
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[21:53:25] <Amortias> not yet but he graduated on saturday so he might still be unconscious through alcohol
[21:54:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nah
[21:54:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he is probably drunk on quadruple integrals
[21:54:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Don't drink and derive.
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[21:55:49] <Amortias> he had a colleague whose Graduate thesis was on the methods of calculating the angle of pouring different forms of alcohol to create the same amount of head on the top...
[21:55:51] <Qcoder00> :)
[21:56:08] <Qcoder00> Amortias: For real?
[21:56:18] <Qcoder00> Shame that thesis won't be open access
[21:56:50] <Amortias> he was doing a joint honors in mathematics and chemistry, he basically ran his whole course on the methods and functions of alcohol
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[21:57:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Amortias cute
[21:57:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not as exciting as my collegue
[21:57:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whom played the sims 3 for his thesis :)
[21:57:44] <Qcoder00> Amortias: You may laugh , but "head" equations might actually have some scientific value
[21:57:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> of course they do
[21:58:00] <JohnFLewis> Amortias: that must have been the best way to get away with being drunk
[21:58:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> alcohol has many uses in medicine
[21:59:06] <Amortias> he did enjoy writing his thesis more than anone else ive seen, were convinced he was disposing of the experiments internally
[21:59:20] <Qcoder00> Hmm wonders if there a people that calcualte the foam mass you get from different gas concentrations/angle/ and material
[21:59:53] <Qcoder00> (Your contact's done the angle part)
[22:01:07] <Qcoder00> What is a "head" anyway?  Actually beer or is it other stuff?
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[22:11:24] <MJ94> [16:58:28]  <ToAruShiroiNeko>	alcohol has many uses in medicine - I used ethanol to clear my port line after getting strong antibiotics daily. Some ethanol would go through, so I got drunk off of it at 20 years old. Now, at 21, I don't drink because I hate the feeling thanks to an antibiotic and ethanol.
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[22:12:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so you are cured of alcoholism you never had :p
[22:14:03] <MJ94> exactly :P
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[22:36:22] <JamesEG> alrighty then
[22:37:02] <JamesEG> anyone familiar with islam, specifically the muhammadian sunnah?
[22:38:04] <JamesEG> or i guess i meant ‘especially’
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[22:47:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> JamesEG what exactly is the question?
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[23:04:39] <JamesEG>
[23:05:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What exactly do you want to know?
[23:05:23] <Katie> closedmouth: That silly Katie.
[23:06:40] <JamesEG> the History section mentions ihsan, which doesn't sound exclusive to Mahdavi because of Sufism.
[23:07:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I still dont know your question :)
[23:07:47] <JamesEG> so either it is wrong or there was something else going on.  plus, i don't remember much about ihsan myself, but other pages mention it as part of mainstream islam
[23:09:01] <JamesEG> is that page's statement, that this Jaunpuri claimed Muhammad didn't explain ihsan, needing clarification?
[23:09:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> possibly
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[23:09:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but thats not even the most broken thing about the article
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[23:20:59] <JamesEG> agreed.  i guess someone will always say one thing or another, but it they had little historical basis for such a claim then it looks to me like that part of the page could be fabricated.
[23:21:24] <ZeroSerenity> So, I got something funny in the mail today. A wedding invitation.
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[23:30:29] <JamesEG> I'm sorry, you said that it was funny, so I couldn't help laughing.
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[23:31:05] <foks> that's not how humour works
[23:31:07] <ZeroSerenity> It is! My family is so disfunctional this was a genuine surprise!
[23:33:51] <JamesEG> “I got something funny in the mail today.  A wedding invitation.  I opened it up, and saw my girlfriend's name on it, but not mine.  I don't get no respect.”
[23:34:03] <foks> R.E.S.P.E.C.T
[23:37:49] <ZeroSerenity> Ha.
[23:38:21] <ZeroSerenity> A friend of mine: "You should wear your prettiest dress for the occasion"
[23:38:48] <JamesEG> make sure it is white.
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[23:39:03] <ZeroSerenity> Black. Very black.
[23:39:14] <JamesEG> chinese?
[23:39:52] <comets> < paid editor?
[23:40:18] <JamesEG> my joke was about showing-up the bride, but if it is asiatic traditions then white doesn't work. :-(
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[23:41:01] <ZeroSerenity>
[23:42:05] <JamesEG> maybe not necessarily paid, comet, but at least freakishly interested
[23:46:33] <ZeroSerenity> And that was me in my prettiest dress.
[23:47:11] <JamesEG> although i agree that is does look suspicious
[23:47:42] <JamesEG> especially the userpage as a poorly developed cover
[23:50:09] <JamesEG> want me to ravage through those pages?
[23:50:39] <JamesEG> viz. it looks like a lot of clean-up is needed.
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[23:51:07] <JamesEG> Zero that dress is ugly
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[23:51:36] <JamesEG> (i'm just kidding, i haven't looked at it)
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[23:56:19] <comets> lol
[23:56:27] <JamesEG> whoa, comets i think either you are right or this is the same guy as the content of the pages
[23:56:58] <comets> yeha the article is too good and believable, but i'm from fiji, never heard of that DJ :/
[23:56:58] <JamesEG> scheck out the author and license of this picture:
[23:59:56] <JamesEG> although it is quite possible that the uploader selected an improper license, that picture doesn't look like it came from a newspaper and it's not from the website — but has the same background as the ones that are there
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