Session Start: Sun Jul 05 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[00:17:43] <ZeroSerenity> Oh good. I've got something to look forward to deflecting this month: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/3c53da/jordan_owen_announces_the_premiere_of_the/
[00:19:44] <nakon> reddit is still a thing?
[00:20:02] <IDoH> Very much so
[00:20:24] <nakon> I thought they shut everything down after the victoria thing
[00:21:06] <ZeroSerenity> I'm just looking forward to the miyad of people trying to shoehorn in this "documentary" into one of the articles I'm "guarding."
[00:21:32] <nakon> or you could not "guard" articles...
[00:21:54] <nakon> they're not your articles.
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[00:23:34] <ZeroSerenity> Never said they were. The whole guarding thing is just basically a deflection of people attempting to use youtube as RS.
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[00:24:14] <nakon> if you're trying to influence a POV on an article, that's very forbidden.
[00:24:42] <git> IDoH: they were obviously a VOA, why wait?
[00:25:10] <IDoH> git: What are you talking about?
[00:26:02] <IDoH> nakon: One can guard against vandalism.
[00:26:32] <nakon> sure, but what they suggested was close to POV edits
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[00:27:25] <Pheeps> what Ellen Pao did was plain old censure
[00:27:38] <nakon> then go to ##reddit plz
[00:27:44] <IDoH> I don't think ZeroSerenity ever said anything to that effect.
[00:28:11] <nakon> IDoH: then it'll be reflected in their edits on-wiki :)
[00:28:18] <IDoH> True
[00:29:06] <ZeroSerenity> 17 archived talk pages of raving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anita_Sarkeesian
[00:32:35] <ZeroSerenity> A lot of that is people trying to inject something that lacks RS. That's my "guarding".
[00:36:32] <nakon> as mentioned on the talk page, any uninvolved administrator may impose discretionary sanctions on any editor editing these pages.
[00:36:55] <nakon> please ensure that your edits are in-line with policy.
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[01:38:39] <Pheeps> With all due respect, the Wikibooks user interface "Create a Collection" is sheer idiocy. An entire webpage of instructions to say "click on 'Create a collection'", followed by another webpage full of instructions to say "click on 'Add this category'" ... while that link is NONEXISTING!
[01:38:55] <Pheeps> A veritable disaster of a user interface, unusable.
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[01:54:44] <Sri_Designer> Pheeps which is this ineffable "With all due respect" that you talk about? Or are you just being formally meaningless for the greater good?
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[02:06:27] <Pheeps> there is no blinder man than the one that refuses to see.
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[02:32:58] <SamB_7> I think the question is "what respect exatly do you think is due?"
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[03:25:29] <Sri_Designer> Pheeps it's amusing that you talk in fortuneCookie. I for myself took issue not to the merit of your complaint, but the frilly prepandage of it.
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[03:47:49] <PontoCom_BR> hello.
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[03:52:31] <{Soap}> hi
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[04:29:49] <MJ94> {Soap}: hi
[04:33:02] <ObsequiousNewt> guys
[04:33:23] <ObsequiousNewt> there was so much vandalism on the enwiktionary RC feed it took me a whole five minutes to revert it all
[04:34:56] <ZeroSerenity> https://www.facebook.com/ZeroSerenity/videos/10154002924699992/
[04:35:58] <{Soap}> hi MJ94, hi Newt
[04:36:13] <ZeroSerenity> Hey soap.
[04:36:21] <{Soap}> oh awesome video ZeroSerenity
[04:36:34] <{Soap}> i tried videoing fireworks once and it was basically unusable
[04:36:48] <ZeroSerenity> That was from my phone of all things.
[04:36:55] <{Soap}> really? i was gonna assume it wasnt
[04:37:02] <{Soap}> my smartphone was no good at that
[04:37:18] <{Soap}> i think only thing i can say is i was furhter waway from the fireworks then you were
[04:38:24] <{Soap}> yeah, (me looks at old video) there were also cars in the way which may've fooled the camera into thinking iwas trying to record the cars
[04:38:35] <{Soap}> but still, really good video
[04:39:14] <{Soap}> i missed the fireworks this year, but probably wouldnve gone anyway
[04:39:45] <foks> happy america day, america
[04:40:22] <foks> walked past a lot of people setting up tents along the waterfront here in San Francisco
[04:40:35] <foks> presumably all going to be disappointed that it's cloudy as fuck
[04:41:08] <ZeroSerenity> It was torrenting this afternoon. Cleared up just in time.
[04:41:20] <GorillaWarfare> There was a torrential downpour here last year and they had to start/stop them earl
[04:41:23] <GorillaWarfare> y
[04:41:24] <GorillaWarfare> Luckily this year was nice and clear
[04:42:40] <foks> I do hear plenty of fireworks though
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[04:44:33] <{Soap}> lol
[04:44:42] <{Soap}> its cloudy here too and they did it anyway
[04:44:48] <{Soap}> foggy, even
[04:45:02] <{Soap}> like i had to put my wipers on all the way home
[04:45:07] <{Soap}> people'll still blow up fireworks
[04:45:23] <{Soap}> wait, i didnt know you moved to San Francisco
[04:46:12] <{Soap}> well the weather, i imagine, is not that different than Scotland
[04:47:03] <foks> {Soap}, I'm visiting
[04:47:09] <foks> only here a couple weeks
[04:47:16] <foks> :)
[04:47:35] <foks> but yeah, weather is pretty mediocre
[04:47:36] <{Soap}> ok
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[04:48:39] <{Soap}> hi anyibel
[04:48:39] <foks> it was really nice this afternoon,
[04:48:51] <foks> but yeah, tonight it's misty and horrible
[04:48:58] <foks> so I guess much like scotland
[04:50:03] <{Soap}> people see mto like the fog
[04:50:25] <foks> not too sure why
[04:50:34] <foks> it looks pretty cool to see it roll in
[04:50:39] <foks> but walking through it sucks
[04:51:50] <PontoCom_BR> {Soap}: hi.
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[05:02:19] <comets> lol
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[05:30:55] <midgetpower> Heh. A bullwhip apparently is made from leather pieces that've been twirled or something. I always thought it was (largely) an actual bull's tail (at least for the end). That's stupid, I guess.
[05:31:03] <midgetpower> You *use* it for bulls, I guess is the point of the name.
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[05:34:13] <closedmouth> midgetpower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVmFiOecRg
[05:34:45] <Sir_Designer__> foks, are you in SF only, or did you get to see vicinity, like up and down the coast?
[05:35:02] <foks> the former
[05:35:24] <Sir_Designer__> did you walk hte golden gate bridge?
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[05:36:26] <foks> did it last time I was here :D
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[05:36:51] <Sir_Designer__> no reason to do it twice, unless for daytime and nighttime
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[06:45:42] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[06:59:07] <Chess> what are these major events on enwiki
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[07:05:13] <midgetpower> closedmouth: !
[07:07:58] <closedmouth> yes?
[07:08:27] <midgetpower> I just made a "signal of life" to acknowledge the video link.
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[07:39:58] <Cncmaster> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Cliff1911.png O.O
[07:40:07] <Cncmaster> I'm.....speechless
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[08:03:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150704104011-greek-protest-exlarge-169.jpg <- is the riot police holding a foldable chair
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[13:23:41] <elee> got a question for you all - is there a list of reliable sources?
[13:23:43] <elee> e.g.
[13:24:12] <elee> if I see a reference to nytimes, assuming the nytimes link is about the article, then its good
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[13:53:28] <Qcoder00> I'm about to get annoyed with people
[13:53:52] <Qcoder00> Especially the cretin on YouTube whose posted a 3 hour tinfoilt hat video about how nuclear warhead test footage is all faked by "THEM"
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[13:56:59] <Qcoder00> <seethe>
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[15:06:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupou_VI#Honours :o
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[16:07:07] <ncl> If there's a "Failed to parse (Cannot store math image on filesystem.)" on an article, what do I do about that?
[16:07:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> link me to it
[16:07:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :)
[16:07:40] <ncl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64#Padding
[16:09:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I'll report it at #wikimedia-tech
[16:09:21] <ncl> Is it there for you too or is that just a thing on my side
[16:09:26] <ncl> oh
[16:09:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no I too get an error
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[16:09:32] <ncl> thanks
[16:12:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I managed to fix it
[16:12:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Base64&action=purge
[16:12:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> &action=purge will re-render the page for you
[16:12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> does not always work well with templates mind you - particularly if they are nested
[16:12:59] <ncl> ah
[16:13:00] <ncl> neat
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[17:44:23] <geniice> Results published by the interior ministry showed about 60% of those whose votes had been counted voting "No", against some 40% voting "Yes".
[17:44:28] <geniice> its happening
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[17:49:53] <enterprisey> Just used Visual Editor to add some refs
[17:49:58] <enterprisey> it was so much fun
[17:50:01] <enterprisey> (no sarcasm)
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[17:50:13] <git> because i'm an ignorant american, what happens now?
[17:51:30] <git> what i understand is that Greece made a bunch of debt that they can't pay back, and other countries have basically lost faith that they'll be able to, so they were voting on a proposal for a bailout of some sort by the IMF/EU?
[17:51:54] <geniice> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruins_photography gets a bunch more material
[17:52:06] <{soap|bed}> aww
[17:52:17] <{soap|bed}> greece is now a thrid world country?
[17:52:55] <geniice> git basically yes. What probably happens now is that they leave the euro and suffer massive inflation of whatever new currency they issue
[17:53:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> %60,30
[17:53:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> v %39,70
[17:54:01] <geniice> depending on how much they try and prop up the pensions they either end up with say 90% inflation and a bunch of dead pensioners or 200% inflation and everyone under the age of 40 leaving the country
[17:54:07] <{soap|bed}> yay
[17:54:15] <git> how will leaving the euro change things?
[17:54:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice its not that simple.
[17:54:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git for once consider yourself as an individual
[17:54:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where would you go to borrow money
[17:54:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> How much money can you borrow?
[17:55:23] <geniice> git they get a currency that they can print. which means that they can spend money without borrowing. This will cause inflation and devaluation of the currency but that will make anything they sell to non greeks cheaper so more people will buy their stuff
[17:55:24] <git> $5,500 according to the department of education
[17:56:05] <git> geniice: that seems like a terrible idea...
[17:56:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git okay say you have taken $5,500 debt and when your first installment came you did not pay
[17:56:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what would happen?
[17:57:03] <git> that's a good question...
[17:57:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you could borrow some money to pay the installment adding part of your salary to it
[17:57:12] <geniice> git its a great idea if you export enough stuff. You get a bunch of economic growth out of increased exports and you can channel money to those parts of the economy that will cause the greatest increase in economic activity
[17:57:33] <geniice> git problem is greece doesn't really export enough stuff
[17:57:35] <git> geniice: but is greece really a country that exports a lot?
[17:57:40] <git> ha
[17:57:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Euro's value is backed by countries like Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France and Germany
[17:58:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git Greece is a touristic heaven mainly
[17:58:05] <geniice> git some olive oil. Some tourism. its something. Not enough
[17:58:28] <geniice> git oh and a bunch of shipping firms are owned by greece but they don't pay taxes
[17:58:32] <geniice> greeks
[17:58:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there isnt that much demand for greek oil, its not something they are that known for
[17:58:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice all their ships are registered to non-eu countries in the pacific :p
[17:59:04] <git> ohhh
[17:59:25] <git> so they're going through deflation with the euro right now?
[17:59:30] <geniice> ToAruShiroiNeko also libera
[17:59:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> liberia? pffft
[17:59:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git so in the hypothetical scenario if you do not pay your debt back debt collectors would come by and take your tv and car etc
[18:00:00] <geniice> git eh probably. Overal the euro is running at a very low level of inflation
[18:00:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if you do not pay a few installments
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[18:00:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> for a country debt collectors do not exist
[18:00:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but if you default on your debt no one will owe you money
[18:00:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> because they dont expect you to pay back
[18:00:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> in other words you end up being alon with your naitonal debt unable to borrow anymore
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[18:01:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so when a citizen goes to a bank to borrow money, because the bank itself has no way of borrwing it from someone else there is no money to borrow
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[18:02:18] <geniice> git so overal staying in the euro was going to suck for greece but leaving has a good chance of being worse
[18:02:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git the way countries are run is that you borrow money and use it in such a manner that it generates enough wealth to pay off the installment.
[18:02:42] <git> geniice: so either way they're fucked
[18:02:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice greece have had problems with euro since day 1
[18:02:54] <geniice> git well yes
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[18:03:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I know what happened in greece in 2002. Prices skyrocketed
[18:03:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> buying power diminished
[18:04:01] <geniice> git one thing greeks do have is free movement with the EU. So a lot of working age people may move to other EU countries. Like the UK
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[18:05:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice that can change though
[18:05:36] <geniice> not in the short term
[18:06:04] <geniice> does anyone know anything about how well greeks get on with poles?
[18:06:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont know, EU has a way of deporting people if too many unemployed comes with it
[18:06:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice greeks on poles?
[18:06:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> O_O
[18:06:31] <geniice> greeks and polish people
[18:06:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OH
[18:06:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> >_<
[18:07:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think they are ok
[18:07:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> similar religions beliefs and all IIRC
[18:07:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> well semi-similar
[18:07:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> poland is 90% catholic
[18:08:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm a lot fewer orthodox than I thought
[18:08:57] <geniice> well if greeks want to come to the UK they had better be able to get on with poles
[18:09:10] <git> so overall other EU countries might be helped, but might be hurt by it
[18:09:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git all eu countries have some unemployment
[18:09:51] <git> if greeks move to other countries there's greater demand in those countries, but then chances are they're not exactly in great shape financially anyway
[18:10:16] <geniice> git eh there is some worry over what it will do to the stability of the euro and some banks will take a hit but all this has been prepared for over the last couple of years
[18:10:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice for the past couple of years greek debt was out sourced to IMF etc
[18:10:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> instead of countries like germany or france
[18:10:59] <git> i'm not really familiar with how the economic system works outside the US
[18:11:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git clearly it works just as poorly :)
[18:11:28] <geniice> git Eh the UK could probably do with more cheap workers. We are running out of Romanians.
[18:11:29] <git> i have a basic understanding of macroecon within the US
[18:12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git ok if US needs more money there are two options
[18:12:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 1) print more money, 2) borrow money
[18:12:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> printing more money makes all the money in the circulation that much worthless
[18:12:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so you may be holding 1$ but you could buy less with it
[18:13:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> price of everything increases hence inflation
[18:13:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US typically borrows money instead of printing more of it for this reason
[18:13:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US issues bonds for example
[18:13:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and US ALWAYS pays them back
[18:13:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> even during the great depression, US did not default on its debt
[18:14:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the closest US came to a default was during the government shutdown stunt
[18:14:28] <git> so with the euro, i assume there's some authority controlling how much money is in the system?
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[18:14:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Yes, European Central Bank
[18:14:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> But nations also get their say through a complicated burocratic structure
[18:15:20] <geniice> git one of the issues bringing things to a head is that the ECB doesn't think greek banks are solvent any more
[18:15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the beulty and curse of euro is it regulates the currency of multiple countries
[18:15:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so countries wont run into careless hyperinflation
[18:16:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ECB as geniice put it also lends money to all other banks in europe
[18:16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> genice can I borrow 1.2 billion euros from you?
[18:17:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what if I promised I would give it back to you as 1.3 billion next year? :)
[18:18:00] <geniice> no I'm british. I don't have any euros
[18:18:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> damn
[18:18:09] <geniice> we lent them all to ireland
[18:18:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git the sad part is Greeces woes are just begining they have an installment to pay this month as well.
[18:18:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://graphics.wsj.com/greece-debt-timeline/
[18:18:49] <geniice> well we can be pretty sure that won't happen so its default time
[18:19:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> July 10, 2015
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[18:19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> €2,000,000,000
[18:19:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> July 13, 2015 €455,803,443 (from 2010 bailout)
[18:20:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> July 17, 2015 €1,000,000,000
[18:20:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> July 20, 2015 €2,095,880,000 2012 default
[18:20:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> July 20, 2015 €1,360,500,000 2012 default
[18:20:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> July 20, 2015 €25,000,000 European Investment Bank 2012 default
[18:21:03] <tufor> can I ask for enwp admin for 1 minute?
[18:21:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we havent even arrived at August yet
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[18:22:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Last debt on that link is April 28, 2054 €6,300,000,000 "loands in the second bailout"
[18:23:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which I think is for 2012
[18:23:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git so thats kinda the situation
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[18:25:25] <geniice> tufor yes
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[18:45:29] <{soap|bed}> Total Members: 3 / Most Users Online: 6 (3 hours ago)
[18:45:31] <{soap|bed}> how???
[18:46:33] <geniice> ?
[18:49:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ??????
[18:49:19] <{soap|bed}> they must count anons
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[19:20:02] <{soap|bed}> oops i ohpe tufor got what he neeeded
[19:20:05] <{soap|bed}> i wasnt even paying attn
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[19:27:13] <Irunongames> James_F|Away, Ping
[19:27:27] <Irunongames> I think I broke the visual editor.
[19:27:53] <Irunongames> If anyone else is having issues, I think we should all simply blame it on ToAruShiroiNeko and just walk away.
[19:27:55] <Irunongames> :)
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[19:30:06] <geniice> {soap|bed} he did
[19:32:02] <{soap|bed}> coool thank you
[19:32:04] <{soap|bed}> for helpinmg
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[19:38:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> So greek debt payment this month is €1,557,328,430 + €6,937,183,443 = €8,494,511,873 ?
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[19:39:02] <{soap|bed}> there a guy oifferingf MONEY for youto translate german for him
[19:39:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I find it hilarious that there is a crwodfudning campaign :/
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[19:39:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am offerd german money?
[19:39:22] <{soap|bed}> there is?? ghreeece wants peoiple to give money ??
[19:39:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> No rather a donation drive
[19:40:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.indiegogo.com/greek-bailout-fund.html
[19:40:10] <{soap|bed}> seriosuly i trhink this guy is just naive and proud at the same time. most people';d do it fort nothiung, but hes all like" wowi have money and i want to get rid of it because im such a nice guy andi dont know German so please take my money if you cna speak German"
[19:40:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> They have €1,856,536
[19:40:35] <{soap|bed}> please direct the Greek bailout fund to me. Im Greek and i'll take care of it better
[19:40:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} or a troll
[19:40:46] <{soap|bed}> im hacking it over to me right now
[19:41:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 0 Super-rich kind-hearted person
[19:42:03] <{soap|bed}> i doubt anyonme here is seriously interested in doing the translation to get the money
[19:42:24] <{soap|bed}> buuuuut if you are you can do it now before anytoene else answers. seriously expect smone to volunteer to do it for free though
[19:42:46] <{soap|bed}> because hes posting on a web board with several people living in Germany
[19:42:57] <{soap|bed}> (obviously)
[19:43:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> -_-
[19:43:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> #wikipedia-de
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[19:44:27] <{soap|bed}> well he wants 5 denselt typed pages
[19:44:42] <{soap|bed}> not exacrtly some'm you can pull off in 2 minutes while chatting on IRC
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[19:48:48] <Greece> ha. not even registered
[19:49:05] * Greece is now known as {Soap}
[19:49:08] <{Soap}> but i have no need for that name
[19:49:18] <Irunongames> ...anyone else having visual editor issues?
[19:49:30] <{Soap}> its not lioke i speak the languahge or anything. in fact i hate the Greek language
[19:49:45] <Irunongames> {Soap}, well thats rude
[19:49:48] <Irunongames> Hating a language
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[19:51:44] <{Soap}> totally justified though
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[19:53:26] <{Soap}> just go to the EU website,. OK it looks like you cant really do it anymore because they ask for your native languagr at the very beginning. reviously though greek was always the longest and clkumsiest of all translations
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[19:53:45] <Irunongames> 2 American 4 dat
[19:53:47] <{Soap}> like they woiuldnt accept the word "online", they had to say "te apentheas indesi" etc
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[19:54:28] <{Soap}> and then they had the whole "oh no we need this special alphabet and all these extra accent marks because they spoke like this 2600 years ago AND GREEK IS PERFECT and we like to pretend it hasnt changed in 2600 years"
[19:55:38] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharevousa <--- basically the only country in the entire world that refused (100 years ago, i grant you, things have changed now) to translate the Bible into its own language because they felt the language was somehow better 2600 years ago and wanted to use that instead
[19:55:49] <{Soap}> even though Greek 2600 yrs ago is of course pre-Biblical
[19:56:02] <{Soap}> wait no i forgot. Arabic. THey do the same thing
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[19:56:37] <{Soap}> the thing is people look ridifuclous even mentionign this because most people dont reallyt think of languages as the dfining characertistic of a county
[19:57:05] <Irunongames> I really have no idea why you are talking so much about a country that is about to self implode in an hour
[19:57:25] <{Soap}> well when i was younger i was at least somewhat produ of being Greek
[19:57:36] <Irunongames> Oh wait, you're Greek?
[19:57:37] <{Soap}> like there was the Greek church and everything
[19:57:41] <{Soap}> Greek-American yeah
[19:57:44] <Irunongames> TIL
[19:58:06] <geniice> Irunongames because some of us like ruin photography and think athens has cyberpunk dystopia potential.
[19:58:25] <Irunongames> " Greeks delivered a shocking rebuff to Europe’s leaders on Sunday, decisively rejecting a deal offered by the country’s creditors in a historic vote that could redefine the country’s place in Europe and shake the Continent’s financial stability."
[19:58:28] <Irunongames> RIP
[19:58:36] <Irunongames> Please press F to pay respects. :)
[19:59:03] <{Soap}> hey look they actually typed "a historic" instead of "an historic" maybe American English is spreading after all
[19:59:20] <{Soap}> oh never mind it was the New Yotk Times
[20:00:09] <foks> "an historic" is silly
[20:00:18] <{Soap}> thank you
[20:00:21] <{Soap}> i love to hear that
[20:00:34] <foks> :P
[20:01:04] <Irunongames> foks, why don't you work for the NYT yet.
[20:01:24] <{Soap}> although honestly I understand it as long as the H is silent. Then it makes sense because its a vowel-initial word. Whjat Americans seem to want to do though is to us "an" and then still pronounce the H because it seems better somehow
[20:01:32] <{Soap}> basically theyre imitating British English but getting it wrong
[20:01:54] <Irunongames> Yesterday was "The british were wrong day" so
[20:02:00] <foks> British people pronounce the "h" in "historic"
[20:02:17] <{Soap}> they do?
[20:02:21] <foks> obviously
[20:02:33] <foks> 'istoric? relaly?
[20:02:34] <Irunongames> Oh lawd. Went on Wikinews. It is telling me to review articles.
[20:02:35] <foks> :p
[20:02:35] <Irunongames> nopenopenope
[20:02:39] <Irunongames> abort.
[20:02:47] <{Soap}> well OK then i extend my criticism to the British
[20:02:49] <foks> Irunongames, "esc"
[20:03:19] <{Soap}> but still https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_fricatives_and_affricates#H-dropping <--- shows at least in southern England they often do it
[20:05:46] <Irunongames> "H-dropping"
[20:05:56] <Irunongames> Sounds like a reference to hydrogen bombs
[20:07:33] <foks> {Soap}, in the rubbish accents
[20:07:54] <foks> those are all "working-class" accents
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[20:14:10] <KimiNewt> anyone here listen to [[Art Brut]]
[20:14:46] <foks> in like 2005
[20:15:02] <KimiNewt> Well they had a new album like.. two? three? years ago
[20:15:28] <foks> four, yeah
[20:15:28] <KimiNewt> they also had a concert here in like 2009 which I kinda regret not going to because I'll probably never get another chance
[20:15:47] <KimiNewt> I really like em, and I was looking for similar stuff
[20:15:58] <KimiNewt> If only in lyrics/style rather than the type of.. "singing"
[20:16:12] <foks> "Formed a Band" is a gr8 song
[20:16:25] <KimiNewt> Actually not really on my top 5
[20:16:36] <foks> pretty much the only one I know so
[20:17:00] <KimiNewt> Oh.
[20:17:19] <KimiNewt> A lot of songs I like, can't decide on a favourite
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[20:17:57] <KimiNewt> Only song I really liked off their new album is Ice Hockey though
[20:18:07] <KimiNewt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ6OtyaPdio
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[20:32:10] <Irunongames> Question: When does the UK vote on staying in the EU?
[20:32:28] <{Soap}> is that an oiption?
[20:32:34] <{Soap}> they can just be like "see y'all" and leave?
[20:32:44] <{Soap}> i dont think itll happen though
[20:32:55] <{Soap}> you gotta admit the UK is just not #1 anymore
[20:33:03] <Irunongames> "GG I'm out"
[20:33:33] <{Soap}> i dont think the UK would prosper if it was outside the EU, it depends too much on the other countries
[20:33:48] <JohnFLewis> Irunongames: May 2017 I believe is the latest it will happen
[20:33:48] <{Soap}> unless 1000000000kg of oil is suddenly found '
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[20:34:15] <Irunongames> {Soap}, I think they could survive it
[20:34:22] <Irunongames> not prosper, but survive
[20:34:24] <{Soap}> oh Im sure they could too
[20:34:33] <{Soap}> the question is, is it worth it?
[20:34:41] <{Soap}> would it actually, you know, *help* ?
[20:34:44] <Irunongames> JohnFLewis, cool cool cool thanks
[20:35:16] <JohnFLewis> {Soap}: gives us more control over aspects without European red tape and so
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[20:35:37] <{Soap}> well OK
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[20:35:46] <{Soap}> so then Europe will have no english speakin countries
[20:35:49] <{Soap}> that would be weird
[20:36:03] <{Soap}> Germany could take over
[20:36:17] <KimiNewt> Will the British really vote to leave the EU?
[20:36:19] <KimiNewt> Seems insane to me
[20:36:21] <JohnFLewis> I swear Germany already took over
[20:36:26] <KimiNewt> What a bunch of pricks
[20:36:54] <KimiNewt> what will they gain by isolation?
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[20:37:12] <JohnFLewis> KimiNewt: as I said, great political control
[20:37:16] <foks> Our referendum will almost certainly end up with about 75% "yes" to staying in the EU.
[20:37:17] <JohnFLewis> *greater
[20:37:18] <KimiNewt> Over what?
[20:37:23] <KimiNewt> They've already got their on currency
[20:37:33] <KimiNewt> That's good then, reaffirm the strength of the union
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[20:37:43] <foks> It's only a loud minority that want to leave.
[20:37:55] <KimiNewt> Well, I guess I don't really have an educated on the matter
[20:38:00] <KimiNewt> despite being a citizen of the EU
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[20:38:10] <JohnFLewis> foks: yeah probably
[20:38:27] <foks> personally I really hope that I'm right
[20:38:32] <KimiNewt> Would personally bum me out though
[20:38:34] <foks> we'd lose so much so needlessly
[20:38:35] <KimiNewt> Are there no polls?
[20:38:42] <KimiNewt> Or have they retired polls in the UK after the last fiasco
[20:38:47] <foks> there are thousands of poles
[20:38:55] <foks> hue hue hue
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[20:38:58] <jubo2> KimiNewt: It will be wonderful: UK quits EU, Scotland quits UK, Scotland joins Eurozone in über-express coz they obviously need a currency. Sorted [✔].
[20:39:06] <foks> but no, the referendum is in like 2017
[20:39:16] <{Soap}> that woulkd be great
[20:39:34] <{Soap}> even though it doesnt affect me at all i would love to see an independent Scotland
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[20:40:00] <{Soap}> Bordersd are just too solid nowadyas
[20:40:01] <jubo2> {Soap}: especially since they gonna save the world
[20:40:23] <jubo2> ... Scots
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[21:11:38] <MJ94> 3 RfAs at once.
[21:11:47] <MJ94> Not often I see that.
[21:12:00] <MJ94> ceradon: ohai ceradon!
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[21:12:11] <ceradon> ohai
[21:12:23] <MJ94> ceradon: how are you?
[21:12:46] <ceradon> Good, I suppose. Nervous.
[21:12:59] <{Soap}> hi ceradon
[21:13:04] <ceradon> hello
[21:13:19] <{Soap}> i remember i hid from this channel during my RFA
[21:13:38] <{Soap}> Good to see someone doing the oppposite
[21:13:52] <MJ94> I think that's what Cyber's doing :P
[21:15:58] <ceradon> I'm trying to work on some content, forget the RfA and listen to music.... It's not working.
[21:17:00] <{Soap}> yeah you cant just ignore an RFA lol. at least not for the first few days
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[21:17:24] <{Soap}> youll get opposed for not answering questions
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[21:18:01] <{Soap}> " iposted this question an entire hour ago, and the candidate is piddling away editing an actual article. i vote SUPER oppose"
[21:18:32] <ceradon> I'm checking every so often to see if any questions are going up.
[21:19:20] <MJ94> "Candidate has a life away from Wikipedia. Clearly not dedicated. Oppose and ban."
[21:20:04] <GorillaWarfare> Banning someone per consensus at RfA... that would be a new one :P
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[21:22:02] <MJ94> :P
[21:22:47] <MJ94> ceradon: what article are you editing?
[21:22:52] <MJ94> or content, rather
[21:23:03] <MJ94> basically, what are you doing? :P
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[21:34:48] <ceradon> Sorry MJ94
[21:34:58] <ceradon> Working on User:Ceradon/Vonnegut
[21:35:12] <ceradon> I want to get that to FA before the end of the summer
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[21:49:19] <MJ94> ceradon: how close are you?
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[21:53:23] <ceradon> Pfft, I don't know. Days, weeks. It has to go through a PR review which takes a couple week, then an FA review which takes about a month, so I probably could get it done, but I'll be cutting it pretty close to the end of summer.
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[21:54:29] <MJ94> I've never written Featured Content. I'd like to, but I'm not sure I'd be very good at it.
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[21:57:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its not hard
[21:57:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you keep working on it and toss it for review
[21:57:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and then fulfil their requests
[21:57:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> aiming fir GA before FA is recomended
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[21:58:55] <{Soap}> true. its only Bclass now
[22:00:42] <MJ94> Shouldn't Ceradon be working in the main article? What if people edit the real article? How will Ceradon transfer their edits...a history merge?
[22:00:58] <ceradon> Yup.
[22:01:06] <ceradon> A history merge.
[22:01:25] <ceradon> I usually work on articles in the userspace then transfer
[22:01:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I woould suggest woeking in main namespace
[22:01:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you can find allies
[22:01:59] <ceradon> And, with that article, I'm collaborating with Wehwalt
[22:02:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and changes are more acceptable to toher people watching the page
[22:02:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sinc ethey can raise objections earlier
[22:02:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> colaborations are golden
[22:02:52] <ceradon> Well yes. I'm probably going to stop that after the Vonnegut article goes up.
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[22:26:03] <MJ94> ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you written featured content?
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[22:27:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MJ94 yes
[22:27:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have created 3 featured lists
[22:27:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they were demoted over time though :/
[22:27:50] <MJ94> :(
[22:27:57] <MJ94> I am working on a FL
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[22:28:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> when I was working on them year was 2010
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[22:28:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not surprised they are demoted over time
[22:28:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> quality merely increased
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[22:38:48] <Sir_Designer__> tl;dr so. what is the latest on the Greeks? Did it end up NO? And by how much?
[22:43:45] <ceradon> Yup, a NO vote
[22:43:58] <ceradon> They're leaving the EU, I guess
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[22:44:49] <ceradon> 61.3% to 38.7%
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[22:47:31] <{Soap}> lol
[22:47:40] <Sir_Designer__> well, good luck to Greek negotiators. I don't think Poles vs. Greeks are a hot love, but I think on the whole tthey will get along while tooling in the UK.
[22:48:25] <Sir_Designer__> of cours, speaking purely personally, I heart greek-welsh people immensely.
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[22:56:50] <{Soap}> yeah that diamond girl
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