Session Start: Wed Jan 11 15:47:02 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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�03[15:47] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:48
[15:47] #wikipedia-en url is
[15:48] <Qcoder00> Excirial: A while back I asked BarkingFish to look into the need for 'Guardian' admins
[15:48] <Qcoder00> who were admins able to handle 'sensitive' issues relating to certain types of 'vulnerable' user
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[15:49] <BarkingFish> Excirial: I do have some professional competence in the area of working with children - I'm an ex Child welfare officer, who could be going back to being one :)
[15:49] <BarkingFish> if I pass my interview Tomorrow :)
[15:50] <WilliamH_UK> Qcoder00 chances are those admins have to do what most other admins have to do anyway: forward stuff to oversighters
[15:50] <GabrielF> has an issue around wikipedia being used by a pedophile ever come up?
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[15:50] <GabrielF> (I assume that's what you're referring to)
[15:50] <Excirial> Good luck then :)
[15:50] <BarkingFish> thanks :D
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[15:50] <Qcoder00> GabrielF:  IIRC There was an ARBCOM case about Pedo advocacy
[15:50] <Excirial> Though i hope it doesnt depend on luck
[15:50] <Excirial> ;)
[15:51] <GabrielF> but that's a content dispute, not an issue of one user taking advantage of another user, right?
[15:51] <Qcoder00> It depends
[15:51] <BarkingFish> It doesn't - I am going back to a job I've previously held, and where I was told I'd be welcomed back when I left a couple of years ago.
[15:51] <BarkingFish> I was retired from the Prison I was working at back in December, Excirial - so I'm taking Social Services up on their offer
[15:52] <Qcoder00> Excirial, GabrielF: I would hold the view that  some forms of advocacy are so serious as to cease to be a content dispute
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[15:52] <Excirial> Well, then i have all due confidence things will work out great
[15:52] <Excirial> Hmmm,
[15:53] <Excirial> But who decides where that line is?
[15:53] <Qcoder00> Excirial:  That I think was why there was an Arbcom case...
[15:53] <GabrielF> I think its pretty dangerous to start saying that some populations are so vulnerable that we can't handle content related to those populations through the normal process
[15:53] <Excirial> Exactly.
[15:54] <Excirial> And neutrality amd npov are also a tad risky in those cases.
�08[15:54] <derp> GabrielF, if you look on specific forums, yes.
[15:54] <Qcoder00> 'Guardian' admins would exist in addition to the current process
[15:55] <Qcoder00> And I would have recommended BarkingFish as a 'Guardian' admin if the WMF had certain mechanisms in place
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[15:56] <Excirial> I do imagine that people would/could end up receiving quite some flak due to that though.
[15:57] <Excirial> Trybeing neutral in a very touchy topic.
[15:57] <GabrielF> sorry derp, not sure I understand what you're referring to
[15:57] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: ?
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[15:57] <Excirial> Ok, the guardian admin would overlook risky topics, did i get that correctly?
[15:57] <BarkingFish> busy dude, sorry - got stuff in process elsewhere
[15:58] <BarkingFish> I'll make comment on things when I can read back on them
[15:58] <Qcoder00> Excirial:  Somewhere, BarkingFish has a working draft on this Guardian Admin idea
�03[15:58] * causasui-away is now known as causasui
�08[15:58] * derp hugs BarkingFish
[15:59] <Excirial> Good, illread up on that first sometime then.
[15:59] <Ironholds> shimgray: the drive. Will you be at the meetup?
[15:59] <BarkingFish> somewhere is right, Qcoder00 - let me go back over the 70k odd documents I have stored in here - I'll set kfind on it
[15:59] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:  I think the version you had was 'Trusted admin' rather than Guardian
[16:01] <BarkingFish> yeah, it probably was, right now though I'm dealing with more than I can rightly handle, compiling software, packaging it, communicating with 5 different people in Pm with regard to what I'm building, and using about 97% of my CPU :)
[16:01] <BarkingFish> Kfind right now would probably freeze my pc up
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[16:06] <shimgray> Ironholds: this weekend? probably not. there is only so much London I can take!
[16:07] <GabrielF> hmmm the content that's coming out of the Nanjing Normal University class project seems to be quite poor
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[16:09] <shimgray> (more to the point, I think we have visitors this weekend)
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�08[16:09] * derp huggles juancarlos tightly.
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[16:10] <juancarlos> $ yes hug
[16:10] <Aranda56> is largest real estate firm in a subtown of a town of 10,000 people a claim to notability to pass A7?
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[16:10] <shimgray> Aranda56: I would doubt it, myself.
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[16:11] <WilliamH_UK> I too would doubt it
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[16:12] <Aranda56> and the other claim of notability is building this nice spam article
[16:13] <Aranda56> and look at the creator :p
[16:13] <Ironholds> shimgray: ahh. have fun!
[16:13] <Ironholds> I was just thinking re HDD
[16:13] <Ironholds> and it's free
[16:13] <shimgray> redirect to QL page, add a line there on the name of developer company
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[16:13] <shimgray> then figure out if that itself needs deleted
Session Close: Wed Jan 11 16:13:50 2012

Session Start: Wed Jan 11 16:13:50 2012
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Session Start: Wed Jan 11 17:23:46 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[17:23] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[17:23] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests:�'
�03[17:23] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:48
[17:23] #wikipedia-en url is
[17:23] <Ironholds> you know what two days solid of dungeon crawl stone soup and nothing else does to a man? It's not pretty.
�12[17:23] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
�06[17:24] * shimgray is limited to older games by virtue of the joys of wine
[17:24] <shimgray> on the plus side, it helps avoid procrastination
[17:25] <Ironholds> "the joys of wine"?
[17:25] <Ironholds> oh, windows emulator wine. not booze.
�06[17:25] * Fluffernutter was very sad to find out that she can't run Castle of the Winds on Win7
[17:25] <Fluffernutter> stupid 64-bit operating system
[17:25] <BarkingFish> Don't have a compatibility mode?
[17:26] <Fluffernutter> apparently 64-bit doesn't do 16-bit. period.
[17:26] <Thogo> XD
[17:26] <Ironholds> yes, of course
[17:26] <shimgray> can you run it through dosbox?
�06[17:27] * Ironholds points to the two different emulators required in vista that made it such a clunky bitch
�08[17:27] * derp hugs Fluffernutter
[17:27] <Fluffernutter> yes hello
�08[17:27] <derp> yes helo
�03[17:27] * derp is now known as Fluffernutt3r
�06[17:27] * Ironholds slaps Fluffernutt3r
[17:27] <Ironholds> NO. BAD.
�08[17:27] * Fluffernutt3r slaps Ironholds
[17:27] <Fluffernutter> ugh, is it going to be one of those days?
[17:27] <Ironholds> ow!
[17:27] <Ironholds> the slapping days?
[17:28] <Ironholds> those are the WORST
[17:28] <Fluffernutter> derp, change your nick to something not obscene and not an impersonation
�03[17:28] * Fluffernutt3r is now known as derp
[17:28] <Fluffernutter> thank you
�08[17:28] <derp> no, mama.
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�08[17:28] * derp has the flu.
[17:28] <thewolfisalie> Someone !join in #wolfgame
[17:28] <thewolfisalie> derp ;)
[17:29] <Fluffernutter> please don't spam here
[17:29] <thewolfisalie> I registered herpyderpy & herpy_derpy yesterday ;)
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[17:29] <Ironholds> what the hell is the wolf game?
[17:30] <Fluffernutter> beats me
�08[17:30] <derp> Ironholds, a highly addictive game
�08[17:30] <derp> and a annoying one too.
�08[17:30] <derp> it pings :P
[17:30] <Fluffernutter> my hovercraft is full of eels
�08[17:30] <derp> fresh water or salt water eels?
[17:30] <BarkingFish> it's a game where you join, and get pm'd a role to play, you go round lynching people until you find the wolf - one person can shoot the wolf, and it's basically as annoying as toothache, Ironholds
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Session Start: Wed Jan 11 17:31:23 2012
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Session Start: Wed Jan 11 17:32:06 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[17:32] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[17:32] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests:�'
�03[17:32] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:48
[17:32] #wikipedia-en url is
[17:32] <BarkingFish> yeah
[17:32] <Ironholds> see the above comment about music
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[17:32] <BarkingFish> it's agatha christie without poirot and the annoying belgian accent
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�06[17:33] * Pesky tacklehugs Ironholds
[17:33] <Ironholds> Pesky!
�06[17:33] * Ironholds tacklehugs Pesky
[17:33] <Pesky> wheeeeeeee!
[17:33] <Pesky> Group tacklehug!
�06[17:33] * Pesky drags BarkingFish  and Fluffernutter into tacklehug
�06[17:33] * Sp33dyphil ditches the tackle and simply hugs Pesky
[17:33] <Pesky> wheeeee!
[17:33] <Ironholds> Sp33dyphil: no! All or none!
�06[17:33] * Pesky hugs Sp33dyphil 
�06[17:33] * Fluffernutter falls asleep on Pesky
�06[17:33] * Ironholds drags shimgray in
�06[17:34] * Sp33dyphil tackles Ironholds
�08[17:34] * derp huggles Pesky
�08[17:34] * derp huggles Ironholds
�08[17:34] * derp huggles Sp33dyphil
�08[17:34] * derp huggles Fluffernutter
�08[17:34] * derp huggles Qcoder00
�08[17:34] * derp huggles BarkingFish
[17:34] <Ironholds> derp clearly needs to get out more
�06[17:34] * Sp33dyphil huggles derp
�08[17:34] <derp> Ironholds, i went to work today :P
[17:35] <Ironholds> derp: that's a new thing for you, isn't it!
[17:35] <Ironholds> and how is the drivethu these days?
[17:35] <Ironholds> *r
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�08[17:37] <derp> Ironholds, i don't give drive-thru blowjobs, thank you.
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[17:37] <Ironholds> derp: I wasn't insinuating that you did!
[17:37] <Ironholds> I was suggesting you worked at McDonalds. Truck-stop hookery? Please, that's miles above you.
[17:37] <BarkingFish> So how many people did BK serve today, derp, and did you get to sell any whoppers?
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�08[17:38] <derp> heh, i hate BK btw :P
�08[17:39] * derp takes BarkingFish to Harvey's :P
[17:39] <Ironholds> I adore BK
[17:39] <WilliamH_UK> better than mcdonalds
[17:39] <Ironholds> okay, I'm now out of both smokes and caffeine
�08[17:39] <derp> you need fags and booze.
[17:40] <Ironholds> derp: I'll never run out of faggery with you around!
[17:40] <Fluffernutter> groan
[17:40] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter, if you see Lara, tell her to get her onion booty on down here
�08[17:40] <derp> booooooo
[17:40] <Fluffernutter> down here = -en? london?
�08[17:40] <derp> Fluffernutter, you want puns?
[17:40] <Ironholds> I would assume -en
[17:41] <juancarlos> Harvey's Casino in Lake Tahoe, NV?
[17:41] <Ironholds> I'm not assuming derp is one of those stalkers-who-want-to-put-in-me guys we were discussing earlier
�08[17:41] <derp>
[17:41] <Fluffernutter> pretty sure he wants inside you
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[17:41] <Ironholds> derp, do you want inside me?
[17:41] <lapompo> Is there a difference between a virus and cancer?
[17:41] <Ironholds> lapompo: yes
�08[17:41] <derp>
�08[17:41] <derp> Ironholds, no, i don't.
[17:41] <Ironholds> a virus is a distinct organism from outside the body
[17:42] <Ironholds> cancer is the body's own cells, subtly twisted and mutated
�08[17:42] <derp> lapompo, altough some viruses can cause cancer.
[17:42] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter: you see! NOBODY wants inside me.
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�08[17:42] <derp> like Ironholds is a cancer to the society.
[17:42] <lapompo> Isn't a virus in itself a form of cancer? Or maybe the other way around?
[17:42] <lapompo> Cancer is a virus?
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[17:42] <Ironholds> derp: hey, hey, I'm at LEAST aids.
�08[17:42] <derp> boooo
[17:42] <Ironholds> lapompo: no, completely different I'm afraid
[17:42] <Ironholds> derp: what's wrong with aids? Wait, shit, you know what I mean.
[17:42] <lapompo> How are they different?
[17:42] <Christianity> derp: <3
�08[17:43] <derp> Christianity <3
[17:43] <Ironholds> lapompo: cancers are fully complete cells. Viruses are just protein strings
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[17:44] <Sp33dyphil> o.O
[17:44] <Ironholds> Sp33dyphil: no, I didn't know I was a biology lecturer either ;p
�08[17:44] <derp> lapompo,
�06[17:46] * AMadman takes a hatchet to his watchlist.
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[17:46] <Aranda56> who wants to speedy this BLP violation
�06[17:46] * Aranda56 gives a cookie to first admin that does that :D
[17:47] <AMadman> ... huh. I can't remove two articles from my watchlist. I assume it's a caching thing...
[17:47] <Excirial> Edit the raw watchlist?
[17:47] <Excirial> EG:
�06[17:47] * Aranda56 gives Islam and Judaism to Christianity
[17:47] <AMadman> I did. Still didn't work.
[17:47] <Excirial> ctrl+F5 doesn't work either?
�06[17:47] * Christianity asplodes
[17:48] <Sp33dyphil> is anybody here from California, specifically Santa Monica, Long Beach, Fremont and Fontana?
[17:48] <AMadman> One is Rome and it shows up as a redlink.
[17:48] <AMadman> I click it and it most certainly does not go to a redlink.
[17:48] <AMadman> How bizarre.
�03[17:48] * Christianity is now known as ty
�08[17:48] <derp> Sp33dyphil, juancarlos is.
[17:48] <juancarlos> Fremont is ugly.
[17:48] <juancarlos> I live by Sacramento.
[17:49] <Excirial> I can add and remove rome just fine it seems
[17:49] <Sp33dyphil> juancarlos: is that close to any of the locations above?
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[17:49] <Excirial> Just clear the cache and try again, i would say
[17:49] <juancarlos> It's like 80 miles from Fremont.
[17:49] <Aranda56> juancarlos speedy this :p
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[17:49] <Sp33dyphil> juancarlos: are you a photographer?
[17:49] <shimgray> I've seen spurious redlinks before. it's just a visual glitch.
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[17:49] <juancarlos> I am not driving there to take a photo! :)
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[17:51] <juancarlos> /ragequit
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[17:51] <juancarlos> Also, Fremont is close to the foundation.
�03[17:51] * Sp33dyphil (1b209a83@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil) has joined #wikipedia-en
[17:51] <juancarlos> close(r)
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[17:51] <Sp33dyphil> juancarlos: there's a steel mill there that host the climax to Terminator 2: Judgment Day
[17:51] <Maryana> juancarlos: does that mean you're coming to the meetup/lunch in february? :)
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[17:52] <AMadman> I think the problem is with a page that's somehow on my watchlist twice that I can't delete; Rome's right beneath it.
[17:52] <Maryana>
[17:52] <Sp33dyphil> hi Maryana!
[17:52] <Maryana> hi sp33dyphil :) (i'm in california, btw, though san francisco isn't that close to those places you mentioned)
�06[17:52] * AMadman tries to think of another way to kill it with fire.
[17:52] <juancarlos> Wikipedians scare me.
[17:53] <Maryana> haha
[17:53] <Thogo> of course!
[17:53] <Maryana> come on… free lunch
[17:53] <Sp33dyphil> Maryana: wait, there's a flood channel in the SF valley that hosted the chase between the two Terminators
[17:53] <Maryana> and you get to hang out in the office
[17:53] <juancarlos> Did you write the ru.wp history? Or was that someone else?
[17:53] <juancarlos> I'm trying to figure out when you were hired! :)
[17:53] <Maryana> that was me
[17:54] <juancarlos> Ah, okay.
[17:54] <Maryana> last september
�08[17:54] <derp> heh
[17:54] <WilliamH_UK> lol phantom menace
[17:54] <Thogo> :( I wished I could come to a meetup. But... 1000 Euros is a bit expensive. ^^
�15[17:54] * Fluffernutter (Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter) Quit (Quit: hometimez�)
�08[17:54] <derp> Léon Mugesera
[17:54] <Maryana> sp33dyphil, where is it and does it need a photo for commons? :)
[17:54] <AMadman> I blame JarlaxleArtemis. (The page I can't delete is "HAGGER?" somehow listed twice.)
�08[17:54] <derp> Léon Mugesera is not expelled yet...
[17:55] <Sp33dyphil> Maryana: if it's too much of a hassle, don't do it; it's for [[T2:JD]]
[17:55] <Maryana> thogo: we're probably going to have some kind of event in berlin around the chapters meeting
[17:55] <AMadman> From ages ago when I was helping with that debacle. :p
[17:55] <Thogo> that will be about when?
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[17:56] <Maryana> march, i think?
[17:56] <Thogo> hm, sounds good. If it's not the weekend when my father has his birthday, I'll probably be there.
[17:59] <Thogo> ah March 30-April 1. Great!
�15[17:59] * Jeff_G (~Jeff_G_do@wikipedia/Jeff-G.) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds�)
[17:59] <Maryana> the wikimedia foundation: we come to you :)
[17:59] <Thogo> O.O
[17:59] <Joan> I'VE GOT A STORY.
[17:59] <AMadman> DO YOU, NOW.
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�06[17:59] * Joan blinks.
[17:59] <AMadman> :]
[17:59] <Joan> You're back?
[18:00] <Joan> I haven't seen you in ages.
[18:00] <Thogo> well, when I was in San Francisco, I've got to meet just three Wikimedians. I've not even managed to visit the office. ^^
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[18:00] <AMadman> Yep.
[18:00] <Ironholds> Thogo: it's mostly cans of mountain dew and earthquake supports
[18:00] <AMadman> And two years, give or take. :x
[18:00] <Thogo> hehe
[18:00] <Joan> AMadman: Returning to editing or just trolling IRC?
[18:00] <Joan> Also, I have a good memory.
�08[18:00] <derp> who wants a 16 MB XD card?
[18:01] <AMadman> Returning to editing; revived from WikiDeath.
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[18:01] <Joan> Oh my.
[18:01] <AMadman> I'm lucky enough to be in a personal and professional place now where I can give more time to Wikipedia as more than a hobby.
[18:02] <juancarlos> Wikipedia is more than a hobby?
[18:02] <Joan> Sounds like you've gotten yourself a nine-to-five.
�08[18:02] <derp> AMadman, are you in DC?
�08[18:02] * derp hugs Joan
�06[18:02] * Joan snuggles Cream.
[18:02] <juancarlos> NO touching
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[18:02] <AMadman> derp: DC metro area, yes. Why? (That's creepy. :p)
�08[18:02] <derp> your IP shows it :P
�08[18:02] * derp gives AMadman a rental bike.
[18:03] <AMadman> Joan: I always did have, it was just that my previous 9-5 was more like 9-2 a.m.
[18:03] <AMadman> Thought I had a hostcloak.
[18:03] <AMadman> ...
[18:03] <AMadman> Webchat.
[18:03] <AMadman> WOMP WOMP.
�08[18:03] <derp> WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP 
�08[18:03] <derp> Word of the day: WOMP 
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[18:03] <AMadman> With a side order of WOMP.
�08[18:03] <derp> it means " juancarlos getting WOMPED by Joan"
[18:04] <juancarlos> Behave, please.
�08[18:04] <derp> Bee-Hive!
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[18:05] <tommorris> Ironholds: ping
[18:05] <Ironholds> tommorris: pong
[18:06] <tommorris> what did you want?
[18:06] <Ironholds> I think I had an amusing OTRS ticket to show you or summat. damn
[18:06] <Ironholds> oh. also, advertise my event on the tweeting thing.
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[19:10] #wikipedia-en url is
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[19:17] <TCO> waaaaassssup????
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�08[19:20] <derp> TCO, not much, watching the game, having a bud, what's up for you?
[19:20] <TCO> That is very open ended
[19:20] <TCO> which game?
�08[19:21] <derp>
�08[19:21] <derp> :P
[19:22] <BarkingFish> Lol - this is brilliant!  I would love to be the person who posted this note... +1 for her.
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[19:25] <TParis> BarkingFish: That's epic win.
[19:26] <Thogo> but they spelled unfortunately wrong.
[19:26] <WilliamH_UK> nice work
[19:26] <BarkingFish> Absolutely brilliant.  And she had the balls to actually put her room number on the note too, that's what gets me.  She's got some guts, that's for sure
[19:26] <TCO> Dude I lOOOOOVE that fucking commercial.  Whahahhahhazzzzzuppppppp?!!??!?!?!?????
[19:27] <juancarlos> Hi.
[19:27] <juancarlos> TCO: What does your nick stand for?
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[19:27] <TCO> too cool for oo?
[19:29] <juancarlos> i c
[19:29] <TCO> srry
[19:29] <TCO> top secret
[19:30] <TCO> need to get me lai...wait civility...need to get me a barnstar for the answer
[19:30] <AMadman> That means even he doesn't know. You're going to trigger an identity crisis, asking questions like that.
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[19:31] <juancarlos> onoez.
[19:31] <TCO> wine is fine, but liquor is quicker
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[19:32] <AMadman> I always learned it as candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker. O tempora, o mores.
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�08[19:32] <derp> AMadman, don't take candy from strangers in strange vans :P
[19:32] <TCO> Courcelles, brunette koala newbies spanked your arbitrator azz...I'm just saying...check contribs...
[19:33] <Kwiki> yo BarkingFish!
[19:33] <Kwiki> you still alive?
[19:33] <BarkingFish> holy flurking shnit!
[19:33] <BarkingFish> Where did you spring up from?
[19:33] <Kwiki> tee hee hee
[19:33] <Fluffernutter> Is that code?
[19:33] <Kwiki> glad you remember me :)
[19:33] <TCO> it;s a user
[19:33] <Kwiki> oh, the pitts of hell probably!
[19:33] <TCO> like a newbie
[19:33] <Kwiki> hows life mate?
[19:34] <TCO> like we should care about
[19:34] <BarkingFish> Kwiki: how could I forget you! I still have Chunnel Boogie on my cellphone as its ring :)
[19:34] <Kwiki> hehe I still listen to it frequently!
[19:34] <Kwiki> its in my favorites in Winamp
[19:34] <Kwiki> damn addictive
[19:34] <Alpha_Quadrant> TCO: you might want to consider getting a Wikipedia IRC cloak
[19:35] <BarkingFish> Kwiki: not bad, not good - You happened to catch me at a bad time actually, dude, I'm about to get my shit together and go to bed... I have a job interview in the morning, and don't wanna go looking like I slept in a hedge :)
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[19:35] <Alpha_Quadrant> until you do, your IP address is visible
[19:35] <TCO> is fucking impossible to get an IRC cloack
[19:35] <TCO> I looked into it
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[19:35] <Thogo> it's not. Most people have one.
[19:35] <Kwiki> BarkingFish: well, praying is bullshit, but I wish you best of luck mate
[19:35] <TCO> and there are like 10 gazzillion levels of computer konwledge needed
[19:35] <juancarlos> it's actually very easy.
[19:35] <BarkingFish> TCO: Even an unaffiliated? They're usually quite easy about handing them out
�06[19:35] * Kwiki knows he would hire BarkingFish 
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[19:36] <TCO> Anyone want to fuck with me...come to the capiutal of the old confedarchy
[19:36] <Alpha_Quadrant> TCO: all you have to do is register a nick with Freenode, fill out the request form, and make a confirmation edit to your user/usertalk page
[19:36] <Kwiki> TCO: its not that hard if 1 of those 3 are available
[19:36] <juancarlos> are you drunk?
[19:36] <TCO> dude there were like 10 gazzilino steps
[19:36] <TCO> srlsy
[19:36] <BarkingFish> Thanks Kwiki - I'll be around tomorrow night, from about 7pm GMT, pm me and we can actually catch up :)
[19:36] <TCO> OI tried and gave up
[19:36] <Kwiki> lol
[19:36] <TCO> I kid you not
[19:36] <juancarlos> lol @ trolling #wikipedia-en
[19:36] <Alpha_Quadrant> I could walk you through it
[19:36] <TCO> too hard
[19:36] <log> Are you actually TCO?
[19:36] <Kwiki> TCO: Ask Barras when he is online
[19:36] <TCO> diude
[19:36] <Kwiki> BarkingFish: yeah I will try to be online mate
[19:37] <Kwiki> oh wait
[19:37] <Kwiki> PM
[19:37] <TCO> KI got banned (lierately) from the help challen
[19:37] <BarkingFish> ok
[19:37] <TCO> was not even trolling
[19:37] <TCO> just too stupic
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[19:37] <juancarlos> /clear
[19:37] <log> TCO: To make sure that you're not impersonating somebody, can you please make a quick on-wiki confirmation that you are actually TCO?
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[19:39] <Addihockey10> log: :/
[19:39] <log> ...
[19:40] <juancarlos> NSFW
[19:40] <juancarlos> thanks for the disclaimer
[19:40] <TCO> No...(log)
[19:41] <TCO> I am mad at them
[19:41] <log> So you're impersonating the user?
[19:41] <TCO> No
[19:41] <TCO> I am TCO
[19:41] <TCO> Would anyone else be this silly?
[19:41] <log> And I'm Fluffernutter.
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[19:41] <Fluffernutter> o_O
[19:41] <Kwiki> Revenge is a dish best served petty. tee hee hee
[19:41] <Addihockey10> log: Delete those
[19:41] <Kwiki> I am much sillier than that TCO
[19:41] <TCO> I like to get my nut fliuffled (see that is TCO talk)
[19:42] <Addihockey10> juancarlos: :/ When in doubt, askj.
[19:42] <log> You edited 36 minutes ago. Nice "mad at them" try.
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[19:42] <juancarlos> Addihockey10: What?
[19:42] <juancarlos> Addihockey10: How does that make any sense?
[19:42] <log> Addihockey10: Why?
[19:42] <Addihockey10> juancarlos: When in doubt of the work-safeness of the link, ask.
[19:42] <juancarlos> No. It's the other way around. You should declare.
[19:43] <Addihockey10> log: Because I don't want a zucchini up someone's ass on commons.
[19:43] <Fluffernutter> oppressor
[19:43] <log> Then start a deletion request for it.
[19:43] <Kwiki> yuk
[19:43] <Kwiki> that was nasty
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[19:43] <AMadman> Wikipedia is not censored.
[19:44] <AMadman> If there is an article that REALLY NEEDS a picture of a zucchini up someone's ass... ;x
[19:44] <TCO> Am I the only heterozexual male on Wiki?
[19:44] <AMadman> TCO: Yes.
[19:44] <Kwiki> TCO: yes
[19:44] <Alpha_Quadrant> AMadman: The image is still out of commons scope
[19:44] <Kwiki> most of us are heterosexual, some are gay, but only TCO is heterozexual
[19:44] <Fluffernutter> The rest of us are lesbians
[19:44] <TCO> I'm probablhy losing man oints for even chatting here
[19:45] <AMadman> Kwiki: Heh.
[19:45] <Addihockey10> Kwiki: What about pansexual?
[19:45] <juancarlos> /clear
[19:45] <Fluffernutter> you could...stop chatting here, then? before your manbits fall off?
[19:45] <Addihockey10> Pansexuality is politically correct :-)
[19:45] <AMadman> Aaand now I have seen the picture.
[19:45] <AMadman> >.<
[19:45] <Kwiki> Addihockey10: well, we have those too, but they do not like zucchini
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[19:45] <Kwiki> not sure why
[19:45] <Sp33dyphil> how do you definitely tell a homo from a hetero?
[19:46] <Kwiki> Sp33dyphil: ask
[19:46] <WilliamH_UK> and ye shall receive
[19:46] <AMadman> Kwiki: Beat me to it.
[19:46] <Kwiki> or... zuchinni
[19:46] <Addihockey10> Kwiki: They like anything that attracts them.
[19:46] <Fluffernutter> This conversation feels very....invisible knapsack to me
[19:46] <Fluffernutter> Can we maybe redirecvt it to something less likely to be unwelcoming to people?
[19:46] <Kwiki> AMadman: I am, eh, quick to respond to sex jokes, sorry
[19:46] <AMadman> Addihockey10: ?
[19:46] <Kwiki> maybe I am just immature
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[19:46] <Thogo> O.o
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[19:47] <Sp33dyphil> I don't get why the Soviets hated homosexual  people so much
[19:47] <tommorris> petan: you around? or any Huglge person?
[19:47] <Kwiki> Fluffernutter: which part of 4chan do you propose?
[19:47] <Fluffernutter> Kwiki, i would suggest you keep the 4chan talk on 4chan
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[19:47] <Kwiki> well, the zucchini talk => 4 chan... so we can have Wikipedia talk here
[19:48] <AMadman> Clearly /b/.
[19:48] <tommorris> Wikipedia talk? on #wikipedia-en? Next you'll be telling us we're here to write an encyclopedia!
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[19:48] <Kwiki> tommorris: sorry I was not trying to offend you
�06[19:48] * Kwiki cries
[19:48] <Thogo> no, that is certainly not true, tommorris
[19:48] <AMadman> tommorris: I am shocked, SHOCKED, I say, to find editing going on in this establishment.
�06[19:48] * Kwiki begs for forgiveness
[19:48] <Fluffernutter> it's fine to discuss the image or whatever, but you guys need to do it without making sexually judgmental jokes and stuff
[19:48] <harej> ^
�06[19:49] * tommorris considers calling the pussy police to enforce vagina power.
[19:49] <Thogo> nighty WilliamH_UK
[19:49] <WilliamH_UK> i'll be around for a bit
[19:49] <Thogo> :)
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[19:50] <Thogo> I'll not try the accented letter typing in here. Bet Fluffy would kick me... ^^
�06[19:50] * tommorris won't even buy you a plate of shrimp.
[19:50] <Kwiki> WilliamH_UK: are u named after William Hung?
[19:50] <WilliamH_UK> who?
[19:50] <Thogo> that was a no. XD
[19:50] <Kwiki>
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[19:50] <tommorris> Püßßÿ pølîçé!
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[19:50] <WilliamH_UK> haha, oh him
[19:50] <WilliamH_UK> no i'm not
[19:51] <Kwiki> hehe ok
�06[19:51] * Fluffernutter sighs. tommorris, now is perhaps not the time
[19:51] <Sp33dyphil> TERMINATOR!
�03[19:52] * aude|away is now known as aude
�03[19:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Fluffernutter
�03[19:52] * Fluffernutter sets mode: +b *!*
�06[19:52] * tommorris decides to switch to 'Warning to Gay Boys' rather than the original Alexxys video
[19:52] <Sp33dyphil> Arnold Schwarzenegger is BACK
�04[19:52] * LiteralKa was kicked by Fluffernutter (Still banned, please keep out�)
�06[19:52] * AMadman blinks.
[19:52] <Sp33dyphil> my user opage agrees
[19:52] <harej> LOLteralKa
[19:52] <AMadman> Oh. That's a cute vhost.
[19:52] <TCO> sandy Georgia is a bully (that was just to convice you that I am TCO).  She is though.  And not as smart as she things...G-guy is better...but still a nitpicker but on rheotiric.  Grace Hopper and Dick Feynman (met both) would like me better. OL, OI liked bouat Dikc  but I met Grace
�03[19:52] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Fluffernutter
[19:53] <Sp33dyphil> TCO: you mind speaking English?
[19:53] <TCO> I'm American
[19:53] <Alpha_Quadrant> heh
[19:53] <TCO> We had a war to kick Redcoat ass
[19:53] <tommorris> didn't mean you had to kick out our language too.
[19:54] <Sp33dyphil> TCO: Is it a copyvio if I copy another website's formating?
[19:54] <TCO> need more info, babe
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[19:54] <TCO> I am playing cards on line while chatting here
[19:54] <TCO> hyou are my neetches
[19:54] <TCO> double timing yuou
[19:54] <AMadman> Can be.
[19:55] <Alpha_Quadrant> tommorris: Americans didn't kick out the English language, we just dropped out all of those extra letter u's.
[19:55] <AMadman> And added zs for ss.
[19:55] <Fluffernutter> Alpha_Quadrant: Dou you belieuve we are betteur off without them?
[19:55] <AMadman> z's for s's, I guess.
[19:55] <TCO> u people behave yourselves...i have to do some wiki work for Phil
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[19:55] <tommorris> AMadman: to be fair, the Times of London style guide agrees with some of that
[19:55] <Alpha_Quadrant> Fluffernutter: yes
[19:56] <AMadman> Ah.
[19:56] <Sp33dyphil> TCO: you're talking about me?
[19:56] <Alpha_Quadrant> although it /is/ easier to get something to DYK if you use British English
[19:56] <TCO> yeah...
[19:56] <TCO> probably copy vio dude
[19:56] <TCO> you can ask on commons
[19:56] <TCO> but I guess the answer
[19:56] <AMadman> If it's a clearly derivative work, absolutely.
[19:56] <AMadman> If it's just copying something small like a clever CSS hack, not usually.
[19:57] <TCO> questionable man
[19:58] <AMadman> A good rule of thumb is if you have to ask, the answer's yes. ;)
[19:58] <TCO> The little pu...schoolgir...upstanding defenders of the Wiki will be after you
[19:58] <TCO> U know what Grace Hopper said????
�06[19:58] * AMadman raises an eyebrow.
[19:59] <AMadman> Most of my work before retirement was on SCV, and I'm certainly not a schoolgirl. (Though I can't deny I'd look hot in the outfit of one.)
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[20:00] <Fluffernutter> heh
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[20:00] <TCO> pogo bridge game has started
[20:01] <TCO> SCV?
�06[20:01] * Sp33dyphil is sooo gay today!
[20:01] <Jeske_Merensky> Hello, Gay, may I call you "So"?
[20:01] <AMadman> TCO: Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations
[20:02] <TCO> AMadman:  Wikipedia: bite me?
[20:02] <Sp33dyphil> you can call anything under the conditions that the name starts with "T" and ends with "erminator"
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�06[20:03] * AMadman WP:BITEs TCO.
[20:03] <TCO> d'accord
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[20:05] <geniice> could someone yell at for removing referenced content
�06[20:05] * tjf will
[20:05] <TCO> eye am on stricke
[20:06] <tjf> no i won't
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[20:09] <Thogo> ok, have a nice evening and/or night
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[20:20] <SpeakFree> I warned 900.200.x
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[20:50] <Soapy> wow, this is #en?
[20:50] <Soapy> quietest Ive seen it here in a while
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[20:54] <Soapy> there's an album named "Ø (Disambiguation)"
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[20:57] <harej> I want to write a book called Main Page.
[20:59] <AMadman> 'twould be a good name for a bookstore too.
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[21:09] <Soapy> there was breifly a page called [[Main Page (disambiguation]]
[21:10] <Soapy> but it wasnt about an album or book or store or anything
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[21:17] <geniice> harej last time that suggestion turned up it was the about the time a certain republican congressman had resigned for his relationship with a page
[21:17] <foks> :)
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[21:19] <geniice> hmm pics is confusing
[21:22] <Peter-C> Guys! Ron Paul is on DVD!
[21:22] <Peter-C> Buy buy buy buy buy!
[21:22] <Peter-C> Best comedy to ever appear on a DVD EVER!
[21:24] <Sp33dyphil> Bey Terminator 2 instead, if you haven't watched it.
[21:24] <Sp33dyphil> *Buy
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[21:26] <geniice> how much do you need to spend to get a reasonable laptop?
[21:26] <Peter-C> What will you use it for?
[21:26] <SigmaWP> LOGICS
[21:27] <SigmaWP> Ping not intended
[21:27] <geniice> Peter-C article writing
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[21:27] <Peter-C> $500
[21:27] <Peter-C> tops
[21:27] <Peter-C> But most Wiki editors I know have a Mac
[21:27] <Peter-C> harej is an Apple hippi
[21:28] <Sp33dyphil> Peter-C I've got a book about the Ka-50
[21:28] <Peter-C> :D
[21:28] <Peter-C> Isn't it super cool and amazing in every single way?
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[21:29] <Sp33dyphil> Terminator is more super dooper cooler
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[21:33] <Peter-C> Ow
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[21:33] <Peter-C> OW
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[21:34] <Peter-C> :(
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[21:35] <harej> Sussudio
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[21:36] <Peter-C> harej  - I saw we do to Ron Paul what we did to Sarah Palin - give him a TV show
[21:36] <Peter-C> *say
[21:36] <Maryana> sp33dyphil: just fixed a mistake in the T2 article :D
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[21:39] <Fluffernutter> hell, i so completely don't understand home networking
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[21:39] <katarighe> hi
[21:40] <Haruhi_Suzumiya> Hi
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[21:40] <Peter-C> {{done}}
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[21:40] <SigmaWP> katarighe: I thought you were blocked
[21:40] <katarighe> I did a really bad mistake
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[21:41] <SigmaWP> Fluffernutter: ^
[21:41] <katarighe> I am trying myself to appeal as soon as possible by improving my behaviour
[21:41] <Fluffernutter> what, SigmaWP?
[21:41] <log> I've made a huge mistake.
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[21:41] <tjf> log?
[21:41] <log> Somebody get that reference, please.
[21:41] <SigmaWP> Up
[21:41] <log> I beg you.
[21:41] <Von> Hello all. Sorry, I need urgent help from as much people as possible
[21:41] <Von> I admit I am canvassing
[21:41] <Von>
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[21:42] <log> That's like saying "no offense" but offending the person anyway.
[21:42] <Maryana> log: gotten
[21:42] <matthewrbowker> log: Nope, don't get it...
[21:42] <log> Maryana: :D
[21:42] <Von_Restorff> !admin please take a look at
[21:42] <WilliamH_UK> Von_Restorff, what do you mean by help
[21:42] <SigmaWP> While you admins are here, keep an eye on katarighe
[21:42] <WilliamH_UK> and that stalkword is only urgent admin matters
[21:42] <Von_Restorff> well, it is urgent
[21:43] <Von_Restorff> and I need admins and experienced users
[21:43] <SigmaWP> WilliamH_UK: Since you're already here, how about cleaning CAT:CSD? :D
[21:43] <Fluffernutter> SigmaWP, he's not being disruptive. He's free to be in here.
[21:43] <WilliamH_UK> it's not urgent
[21:43] <Von_Restorff> it is
[21:43] <katarighe> I request myself  to give a last chance contributting
[21:43] <SigmaWP> But he's blocked
[21:43] <katarighe> As a result back on Saturday
[21:43] <Von_Restorff> WilliamH_UK: if they continue with their editwarring I will be blocked
[21:44] <tommorris> Von_Restorff: tere are other admins here, who will deal with it. but remember, they need context to handle your request. "just look at X" is not a useful admin action request. ;-)
[21:44] <Von_Restorff> which means no one can defend the family
[21:44] <Fluffernutter> SigmaWP, Wikipedia is not irc. Blocked, and sometimes even banned, users from wikipedia can and do participate in here
[21:44] <Von_Restorff> sorry tom
[21:44] <Von_Restorff> I am annoyed
[21:44] <katarighe> leaving
[21:44] <Von_Restorff> What happened is this:
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[21:44] <SigmaWP> Hm, fine
[21:44] <Von_Restorff> On the helpdesk someone made a request
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[21:45] <Von_Restorff> The request can be found here:
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[21:46] <Von_Restorff> still some people insist on causing the family unnecessary grief
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[21:47] <SigmaWP> ...
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[21:47] <Soapy> "it's not a BLP anymore"
[21:47] <Soapy> thats pretty cold
[21:47] <SigmaWP> Heh.
[21:47] <\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\> Soapy: Regarding who?
[21:47] <Von_Restorff> yeah that sucked
[21:48] <Soapy> soemone who recently died
[21:48] <\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\> Are you User:Soap by chance?
[21:48] <Soapy> yes
[21:48] <tommorris> BLP applies to recent deaths
[21:48] <Von_Restorff> someone who died
[21:48] <\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\> guideline for recent: 30 days?
[21:48] <Von_Restorff> trust me if you ever lose a loved one you need quite a bit longer to adjust
[21:48] <Von_Restorff> but he is asking now
[21:49] <Von_Restorff> so I figured, lets give him a couple of days
[21:49] <Fluffernutter> derp, is that you?
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[21:50] <Fluffernutter> well, doesn't matter actually. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\, it would be awesome if you could change your nick to something that's not punctuation
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[21:50] <Fluffernutter> close enough :)
[21:50] <SomethingThatsNo> Fluffernutter: Your suggestion's too long. Try again?
[21:51] <Fluffernutter> perhaps use whatever nick you usually go by?
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[21:51] <SomethingThatsNo> I tried "SomethingThatsNotPunctuation" as you asked.
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[21:51] <log> How about Rakanishu or Nock or Divil?
[21:51] <NickIUsuallyGoBy> I edit with an IP, and use a new nick every time I get on FN
[21:51] <The359S> Von_Restorff, you're completely in the rock on this, quite honestly
[21:51] <NickIUsuallyGoBy> log: Pardon?
[21:52] <log> NickIUsuallyGoBy: You've used those nicks in the past.
[21:52] <NickIUsuallyGoBy> log: Do you play Diablo? I know Raka is a monster from there.
[21:52] <NickIUsuallyGoBy> log: {{citation needed}}
[21:52] <The359S> Wikipedia is not causing anyone grief by listing the way in which they died
[21:52] <log> My client collects the nicks from hostnames.
[21:52] <The359S> Especially if that way they died has already been plastered throughout the news
[21:52] <Von_Restorff> The359S: sorry I am not a native speaker, but I guess you mean I am wrong
[21:52] <NickIUsuallyGoBy> Fine, then post the evidence.
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[21:52] <Von_Restorff> but still, cant we just give them 48 hours?
[21:52] <The359S> I intend to revert your edits and give a lengthier discussion on the talk page
[21:53] <The359S> We're not giving nor harming them
[21:53] <The359S> It's factual information
[21:53] <Von_Restorff> i am not denying that
[21:53] <The359S> We are an encyclopedia
[21:53] <Von_Restorff> \but factual info can hurt\
[21:53] <The359S> No, you are denying that, you're claiming we are harming them
[21:53] <Von_Restorff> yes
[21:53] <The359S> Factual information on the holocaust can hurt people
[21:53] <Von_Restorff> they told me so
�06[21:53] * tommorris has looked at it all and thinks Von_Restorff, while you are obviously acting out of compassion, there's no reason to not include more details of the guy's death
[21:53] <The359S> We're not going to remove our article on the holocaust
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[21:54] <The359S> Further, claiming you are going to continue to remove information about the guys death until you are blocked tends to give reason to block you right away
[21:54] <Von_Restorff> its pretty sad that people care so little about causing unnecessary grief, and do care about an encyclopedia
[21:54] <The359S> We're not causing grief
[21:54] <Von_Restorff> I mean, it is wikipedia
[21:55] <Von_Restorff> family is important, air, water, but wikipedia is not important
[21:55] <The359S> You might as well tell the newspapers not to print stories where people die because they can hurt people somehow
[21:55] <Von_Restorff> The359S: they say so
[21:55] <tommorris> Von_Restorff: I say this as an admin who has handled a LOT of BLP issues. I know where you are coming from, but I just don't agree.
[21:55] <The359S> (how, I'm not sure)
[21:55] <Von_Restorff> ok, I will drop it
[21:55] <WilliamH_UK> Please remember this is an encyclopedia
[21:55] <WilliamH_UK> not a tabloid newspaper
[21:56] <Von_Restorff> but trust me, if you have experienced this it chances your opinion about a lot of stuff
[21:56] <Von_Restorff> ^^
[21:56] <tommorris> we don't need the full grizzly details, but there's not to include the fact that he committed suicide
[21:56] <The359S> People experiencing this would not likely be of clear, unbiased mind
[21:56] <The359S> So I don't think they'd be the best people to ask about this
[21:57] <The359S> To think we are being crass in doing this just goes to show that you're taking this a bit too personal
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[21:59] <Von_Restorff> The359S: Oh, I am sure I am pretty biased in this case
[21:59] <Von_Restorff> and I am more than willing to admit that
[21:59] <Alpha_Quadrant> Is there an admin around?
[22:00] <Von_Restorff> tom is around ^^
[22:00] <WilliamH_UK> It has been a month and a half, admittedly
[22:00] <Von_Restorff> people need a lot more time to adjust
[22:00] <Von_Restorff> trust me on that one
[22:01] <Alpha_Quadrant> WilliamH_UK: could you please restore
[22:01] <Von_Restorff> but the request was yesterday
[22:01] <Von_Restorff> so I figured 48 hours
[22:01] <The359S> It was an unreasonable request, honestly
[22:01] <The359S> He should not have been editing an article on his recently dead brother in the first place
[22:01] <Netalarm> The goal of an encyclopedia is to provide factual information, whether or not a family is grieving should have nothing to do with it
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[22:03] <Peter-C> derp :3
[22:05] <Von_Restorff> The359S: well, not everyone is an expert on Wikipedia
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[22:05] <Von_Restorff> and I dont think the request was very unreasonable
�06[22:05] * SigmaWP is the resident coal ball expert
[22:05] <Von_Restorff> check the history tab
[22:06] <Von_Restorff> The359S:
[22:06] <The359S> But you were told by other people that it was unreasonable
[22:06] <The359S> And you chose to ignore them
[22:06] <Von_Restorff> this edit was made after the request
[22:07] <tommorris> it's not an unreasonable request, and I'm sympathetic to pre-emptive article freezing for recently deceased people - a case could definitely be made for 24/48 hour semi-protection of recently dead BLPs because of the pain that someone adding hateful vandalism might cause. but there's no consensus for such things
[22:08] <tommorris> and the sources for the guy's death are back in December, so any such thing would be moot in this case anyway
[22:08] <Von_Restorff> The359S: Do we need to include the names of his kids and wife? I don't think they are notable
[22:08] <The359S> well yeah, that's vandalism
[22:08] <The359S> But this person died a month ago
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[22:08] <The359S> And this was not related to vandalism
[22:08] <SpeakFree> bye everyone
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[22:08] <Von_Restorff> bye
[22:08] <The359S> The guy tried to remove any and all information on the death
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[22:08] <Von_Restorff> ofc
[22:08] <Von_Restorff> he was not an expert
[22:09] <Von_Restorff> just emotional
[22:09] <The359S> I only say unreasonable from the standpoint of WIkipedia, tommorris
[22:09] <The359S> I know obviously someone might make that request, but would obviously not understand the big picture of Wikipedia
[22:09] <tommorris> The359S: yep, am on OTRS and we try to be slightly more empathetic than that. ;-)
[22:10] <Von_Restorff> but ehm... sorry not really sure what the consensus is on BLP's - Do we need to include the names of his kids and wife? I don't think they are notable
[22:10] <WilliamH_UK> the birth should be moved to the intro
[22:10] <The359S> It doesn't help that what he requested and what he did were two different things
[22:10] <WilliamH_UK> it's like a micro bio is squished into the death
[22:10] <WilliamH_UK> I think the end should simply read "Driver died on 28 November 2011 after apparently jumping from the Hornsey Lane Bridge in North London.[1][3] An inquest into his death was opened, and adjourned, on 30 November 2011. Driver's funeral took place on 15 December 2011.[4]"
[22:10] <The359S> I think the funeral itself is not even really relevant
[22:11] <WilliamH_UK> agreed
[22:11] <WilliamH_UK> nor should his wife and children be mentioned
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[22:11] <WilliamH_UK> it's a bit tabloidy
[22:11] <The359S> I'm not sure what the BLP MOS is with family members
[22:11] <The359S> especially on such small articles
[22:12] <Von_Restorff> can I quote you on that WilliamH_UK ?
[22:12] <Von_Restorff> or doyou mind if I do that?
[22:12] <WilliamH_UK> don't
[22:12] <The359S> Quote policy, not people
[22:13] <Von_Restorff> hmmokey
[22:13] <WilliamH_UK> people will simply ask "where have you been soliciting opinion on this?"
[22:13] <WilliamH_UK> it'll do less favours for you, trust me
[22:13] <Von_Restorff> yeah, ppl are stupid, I know :(
[22:14] <Von_Restorff> I am far from perfect, but if I see a request like that I think: OK, lets give them 48 hours. I never think: Wikipedia needs to be correct, we are not censored, fuck me
[22:14] <Von_Restorff> *em
[22:14] <Von_Restorff> lol
[22:15] <The359S> It has nothing to do with correct
[22:15] <Von_Restorff> freudian typo :)
[22:15] <Von_Restorff> The359S: how do you mean?
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[22:17] <tjf> I see you're a Mediacom customer.
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[22:17] <tjf> do you hate them as much as I do?
[22:18] <failedprocess> that i do
[22:18] <failedprocess> was w/o internet for 7 days once over a weekend
[22:18] <tjf> They lost our payment, and cut us off.
[22:18] <tjf> we had >50 outages in one week
[22:19] <tjf> their phone support is utterly useless
[22:19] <failedprocess> unfortunately, there isn't anything else around for broadband and when it works
[22:19] <tjf> nor is there here...
[22:19] <tjf> midwest?
[22:19] <failedprocess> ya
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[22:20] <tjf> our neighbors are slowly switching to DirecTV and CenturyLink, but still Mediacom for Internet
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[22:21] <failedprocess> hopefully, lisco will expand their fiber network to my town...they are in the next town over with free drops and 100megs down for less than i pay now
[22:22] <tjf> We're supposed to be getting fiber in the spring
[22:22] <tjf> Oh, you live in Iowa?
[22:22] <failedprocess> my cooworker has it...the lucky bastard
[22:22] <tjf> my friend's dad worked for Lisco, but I think he got laid off.
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[22:23] <Peter-C> derp -
[22:23] <Von_Restorff> well, anyways, thanks for your opinions, even if you do not agree with me
[22:24] <Von_Restorff> If WP was my personal property I would give them 48 hours
[22:24] <Von_Restorff> because I know the feeling
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[22:32] <WhisperToMe> Hi
[22:33] <WhisperToMe> Uhm, in the course of a BLP issue involving two articles I wrote, I found that there was a Wikipedia Review thread that, was started about me
[22:33] <WhisperToMe> And the person who started the thread uses way out of line personal attacks. No, I have no motivation to go on the forum and argue with him. It's not worth it. I will not bother with that
[22:33] <WhisperToMe> BUT the account on WR says that the person has a Wikipedia account
[22:34] <WhisperToMe> OH
[22:34] <WhisperToMe> Just realized he's blocked
[22:34] <AMadman> ...?
[22:34] <AMadman> Most people on WR are. :p
[22:34] <WhisperToMe>
[22:34] <WhisperToMe> I know
[22:34] <WhisperToMe>
[22:34] <AMadman> (Gross overgeneralization, I know.)
[22:34] <WhisperToMe> If he was still editing
[22:35] <AMadman> If this thread is criticizing you, why are you drawing attention to it?
[22:35] <WhisperToMe> Well
[22:35] <WhisperToMe> I didn't know he was blocked
[22:36] <WhisperToMe> If he wasn't blocked, I would ask "how would I deal with it? How should the user be reminded that it's not a good idea to engage in personal attacks off site"
[22:36] <WhisperToMe> But if he's blocked, it's a moot point
[22:36] <AMadman> If he wasn't blocked, there would have to be circumstances much more extreme, I should think, to merit blocking him for off-wiki activities. If that's what you were considering.
[22:36] <WhisperToMe> Well, not blocking him per se
[22:36] <WhisperToMe> But having somebody ask him to reconsider
[22:36] <WhisperToMe> Usually one doesn't block for a one time occurrence
[22:36] <AMadman> Well, if that were the case, I suppose bringing it up here would be the right thing to do, so someone uninvolved could review it, yes.
[22:37] <WhisperToMe> Yeah, that's what I meant
[22:37] <WhisperToMe> Me directly confronting him would be a bad idea
[22:39] <WhisperToMe> Anyway thanks for your help :)
[22:39] <AMadman> No problem. Happy editing.
[22:40] <WhisperToMe> Uh-huh :)
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