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[00:54:42] <MJ94> Ceradon.
[00:54:51] <MJ94> Wrong window. -_-
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[01:43:43] <Oshwah> Hi everyone!
[01:44:33] <MJ94> Oshwah: Hola!
[01:44:51] <Oshwah> Hi MJ94!
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[01:47:29] <Oshwah_ACCing> MJ94: Does "DubiousAnon" strike you as a possibly disruprive username? Google comes back with some results, and I'm searching through them. I smell a rat, but not enough to say "NO".
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[01:51:55] <Oshwah_ACCing> hi comets!
[01:51:59] <Oshwah_ACCing> Long time no chat!
[01:52:05] <comets> O_O
[01:52:18] <Oshwah_ACCing> lol it's true. I'm alive.
[01:56:09] <MJ94> you are?
[01:56:21] <MJ94> Zombieshwah.
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[02:12:29] <Oshwah_ACCing> MJ94: LOL
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[02:28:21] <comets> u won't find any 'brains' here :P
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[03:50:17] <alfalfa> FUCKIN WIGGERS I TELL YA
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[03:51:30] <Can-ned_Food> well looks like there's another for the ban list
[03:51:41] <Can-ned_Food> comets your page is back
[03:51:54] <comets> O_O
[03:52:18] * Can-ned_Food recognizes how silly it is to say “your” regarding a page
[03:52:39] <Can-ned_Food> Daniel Rae Costello
[03:52:52] <Can-ned_Food> anyways adios
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[04:00:50] <comets> hey shower gel o/
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[04:08:37] <{Soap}> hi meteors
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[04:26:38] <{Soap}> oh wow http://insaneinflatable5k.com/
[04:26:55] <{Soap}> thats basically Heaven
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[05:09:29] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DiMillo%27s_Floating_Restaurant <-- whoa this actually has an article
[05:10:28] <{Soap}> a tourist was here today who was lookjing for a place to eat and i told him about htem
[05:10:30] <Ironholds> evening
[05:10:39] <{Soap}> i'll never see him again so i'll never know if he actually ate there
[05:10:41] <{Soap}> hi Iron
[05:11:50] <Eatmeimaredbean> here we have lots of them
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[05:12:47] <Eatmeimaredbean> But wouldn't that just be a houseboat?
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[05:14:13] <{Soap}> well we have a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_restaurant article
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[05:14:23] <{Soap}> it doesnt seem to be all that common
[05:14:50] <{Soap}> i guess its a houseboat, probably a bit larger on average though
[05:15:23] <Eatmeimaredbean> Well I live about 1 hrs' drive from a big lake
[05:15:26] <{Soap}> whoa
[05:15:36] <{Soap}> Emperor Nero had a rotating dining room in his palace Domus Aurea on the Palatine Hill with a magnificent view on the Forum Romanum and Colloseum. <--- is this for real??
[05:15:41] <{Soap}> 2000 yrs ago?? how?
[05:15:54] <Eatmeimaredbean> Slaves on a crank?
[05:16:26] <{Soap}> hmm, hadnt thought of that
[05:17:19] <Eatmeimaredbean> Speaking of interesting articles, the Eye color article is amazing.
[05:18:22] <Eatmeimaredbean> I showed a friend the section called "Spectrum of eye color" at 1am, and i freaked the crap out of him
[05:21:42] <comets> aren't blue-eyed ppl more likely to be alcoholics?
[05:22:54] <Eatmeimaredbean> I don't know a lot of blue eyed ppl, so i cant judge
[05:24:03] <{Soap}> wait colloseum is misspelled
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[05:25:19] <Eatmeimaredbean> did you see this on Wikipedia?
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[05:33:24] <Eatmeimaredbean> besides this is most likely apocryphal, nero died 2 yrs before construction even started.
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[05:45:22] <Keegan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Spectrum_of_eye_color should freak the crap out of anyone
[05:46:55] <Keegan> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FrankieakaLogan.jpg ADORABLE
[05:48:39] <{Soap}> i didnt know koalas had claws
[05:49:10] <Keegan> They're mammals, so nails are a given!
[05:49:25] <Keegan> Things mammals have: nails and snot.
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[05:50:08] <Keegan> Oh, and mammary glands.
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[05:50:30] * Keegan has blue eyes
[05:50:48] <Keegan> {Soap}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan d'aww
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[05:53:12] <{Soap}> it seems perhaps it was only the ceiling of the room that rotated
[05:53:23] <{Soap}> so, it may have looked like the restaurant was rotating, but it wasnt
[05:53:34] <Keegan> The wine probably helped
[05:53:40] <{Soap}> (in reference to the 2000 yrs old "rotating restaurant" of Rome)
[05:54:17] <{Soap}> cute bear
[05:54:24] <{Soap}> the old image was nice too, in its own morbid way
[05:55:17] <Keegan> It's an example of perhaps one of the best info graphics ever created.
[05:55:37] <Keegan> Text, image, scales, wonderful.
[06:01:15] <{Soap}> check out this great new article from AFC: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TOBEYOUNGERTRUESAME24YEARS_OLDWITHOUTWHITEHAIRS/sandbox&oldid=670632574
[06:01:34] <Cobi> That username though
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[06:03:11] <{Soap}> oh wow
[06:03:13] <{Soap}> hi Cobi
[06:03:15] <{Soap}> how are you?
[06:04:10] <SigmaWP> Oh hey, it's Cobi
[06:04:11] <Cobi> Hi {Soap}. Good, and you?
[06:04:15] <Cobi> Hey SigmaWP
[06:04:31] <{Soap}> doing pretty good yeah
[06:04:38] <SigmaWP> Cobi: Do you mind if I interrogate you about AI?
[06:04:50] <SigmaWP> AI/machinelearning/etc
[06:05:04] <SigmaWP> Mostly regarding generative modeling
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[06:06:13] <Cobi> If you ask questions, I'll try to answer them. I am not as familiar with generative modelling as I'd like, though.
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[06:06:55] <SigmaWP> Me neither!
[06:07:37] <SigmaWP> So you have the part where you have hypotheses and data
[06:08:26] <SigmaWP> And then in gradient ascent you somehow graph hypotheses and the P(H|D=d)
[06:08:31] <SigmaWP> Exactly how does one graph a hypothesis?
[06:08:51] <SigmaWP> Like, what does that even mean, putting hypotheses on an axis?
[06:11:06] <Cobi> I don't know. Most of my experience has been around neural networks and bayesian filters. And I've not dealt too much with other types of AI/ML.
[06:17:07] <SigmaWP> Hrm.
[06:17:55] <SigmaWP> Cobi: Slightly relatedly, I was hoping that the paper you wrote about Cluebot would be more technical
[06:18:02] <SigmaWP> And have graphs of normal distributions.
[06:18:10] <SigmaWP> Graphs are the best part of a paper
[06:18:45] <SigmaWP> But I managed to read it and emerge without learning much about the workings of a neural network :(
[06:18:56] <SigmaWP> I must find more sources.
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[06:22:25] <Ironholds> SigmaWP, why normal distributions? They suck
[06:23:09] <SigmaWP> You're just weird and non-normal
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[06:25:09] <SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surah_yasin hmm
[06:25:25] <Ironholds> SigmaWP, almost nothing useful is described by normal distributions, is more my point
[06:25:54] <SigmaWP> really?
[06:25:55] <SigmaWP> aww.
[06:26:07] <SigmaWP> I suppose it is they, which are weird and non-normal then.
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[06:26:51] <Cobi> SigmaWP: The paper on ClueBot NG? IIRC, crispy1989 wrote that. But there is a lot of nice detail in enwp.org/User:ClueBot_NG/BRFA
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[06:28:09] <Cobi> Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ClueBot_NG_threshold_graph.png
[06:28:14] <Cobi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBNG_falsepositives.png
[06:28:19] <Cobi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBNG_thresholds.png
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[06:28:48] <SigmaWP> oh, these look interesting
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[07:12:42] <comets> Cobi, u live? :D
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[07:51:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP you looking into ClueBot? :D
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[08:07:31] <SigmaWP> ToAruShiroiNeko: yes
[08:07:36] <SigmaWP> ToAruShiroiNeko: do you know much about ANNs?
[08:09:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes
[08:11:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what is it that you are looking for?
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[08:11:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SVM and NB are comparible classifiers mind you
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[08:20:16] <Elvey> /msg NickServ identify nji@*#208
[08:20:48] <Elvey> /msg NickServ help
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[08:22:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Elvey try /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD <newwpassword>
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[08:26:22] <Elvey> ToAruShiroiNeko yeah, I noticed my typo and changed my password ASAP, but kudos for the heads up anyway.
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[09:04:26] <Anna_Frodesiak> how to you hat content with subsections so the subsections don't show up in the TOC?
[09:05:32] <Anna_Frodesiak> it's dinner time. would someone please swap in a better collapse at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_bus_routes_in_Taipei
[09:05:36] <Anna_Frodesiak> i'd be grateful
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[09:56:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Anna_Frodesiak what is it that you wish?
[09:56:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It feels like the list should be one article
[09:56:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *one list
[09:56:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sortable
[09:57:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there is also far too much chinese for my liking
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[10:15:06] <Qcoder00> Slow response on image this morning
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[10:23:10] <NotASpy> Qcoder00: yeah, it's broken.
[10:23:20] <Qcoder00> Bother
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[10:23:32] <Qcoder00> Because that means I can't do Wikisourcery today
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[10:39:51] <NotASpy> Qcoder00: upload.wikimedia.org should be back now, but I'll give it a few minutes to check it doesn't go offline again.
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[10:44:43] <darev> Hello!
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[12:12:41] <comets> that Ip range has been "owning" that article for years now > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dennis_Michael_Lynch&action=history
[12:13:12] <comets> it will undo everyone's edit ..
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[15:49:18] <MJ94> comets: your definition of "years" differs from mine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.192.252.63
[15:49:31] <MJ94> oh, range
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[15:55:13] <MJ94> Hi MusikAnimal!
[15:55:26] <MusikAnimal> allo!
[15:56:06] <MusikAnimal> how are you?
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[16:29:00] <MJ94> MusikAnimal: doing well, you? :)
[16:29:23] <MusikAnimal> not too bad, thank you
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[16:33:50] <WikiPuppies> Oh yay, I found time to contribute!
[16:33:54] <WikiPuppies> "It's alive!"
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[16:53:13] <{soap|bed}> is now a good time to ask where your username comes from?
[16:53:24] <{soap|bed}> Im guessing its not simply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceradon
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[16:56:13] <MJ94> Can someone block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/39.55.114.126 please?
[16:57:00] <{soap|bed}> blocked
[16:57:08] <{soap|bed}> i keep forgetting to try out the new Twinkle block function
[16:57:16] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: your reasons for blocking, deleting always make me lol
[16:57:40] <MJ94> because you never go with the typical reasons
[16:57:51] <{soap|bed}> thanks
[16:57:58] <MJ94> Doesn't Special:BlockUser have dropdown reasons?
[16:57:59] <{soap|bed}> today i was a bit lazy though and actually did on one of them
[16:58:06] <{soap|bed}> did use the default, i mean
[16:58:08] <{soap|bed}> yes it does
[16:58:13] <{soap|bed}> in fact, i think its a MediaWiki page
[16:58:49] <{soap|bed}> no idea what the name of it is though. probably MediaWiki:Blockmenu or something
[16:59:15] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown
[16:59:58] <{soap|bed}> hmm cool. i was about to give up and figure we must just use the built-in defaults . search didnt work for me
[17:01:16] <{soap|bed}> well, maybe the account block function is the default. THough that would be odd, so Im probably just not finding it for some reason
[17:02:48] <{soap|bed}> yeah thats weird. its just not there
[17:03:04] <{soap|bed}> maybe the IPBlock page is loaded for the registered accounts too
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[17:04:49] <{soap|bed}> oh wow
[17:04:51] <{soap|bed}> now i get it
[17:05:20] <{soap|bed}> Finally I understand why sometimes you see a block message consisting of just a template
[17:05:26] <{soap|bed}> e.g. {{uw-softerblock}}
[17:05:33] <{soap|bed}> those are the ones that are identified only by pictures
[17:05:51] <{soap|bed}> kind of weird, looks glitchy, but we've just all kind of said "whatever, it works"
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[17:16:10] <MJ94> oh, {soap|bed}, in the dropdown it looks like {{uw-softblock}} and when a user gets blocked they see the template?
[17:18:33] <{soap|bed}> yeah
[17:18:43] <{soap|bed}> but even in the block rationale itself, you see the {{ }} thing
[17:18:43] <CyanoTex> You know, the RM-937 and 938 have a minor difference: 4G bands. (you guessed it; the Lumia 1520)
[17:18:54] <{soap|bed}> oh i heard that Lumia was dead
[17:19:20] <{soap|bed}> Microsoft came out and said "yeah this whole Windows Phone thing was a mistake, we're just working on tablets now"
[17:20:02] <CyanoTex> I have a Windows Phone on my desk as you typed that. A Lumia 532 Dual SIM.
[17:20:14] <{soap|bed}> is it still there?
[17:20:37] <CyanoTex> Yes.
[17:20:44] <CyanoTex> And it's mine.
[17:21:09] <CyanoTex> You just had to rub it in, didn't you?
[17:21:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wait
[17:21:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> people use windows phones?
[17:22:04] <CyanoTex> Yes.
[17:22:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I thought they were for target practice
[17:22:16] <CyanoTex> While I was in London, I saw a guy with a Lumia 930.
[17:22:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am a Megoo iser mind you
[17:22:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *was
[17:22:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Nokia N9
[17:22:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> -_-
[17:22:39] <CyanoTex> I said "Nice Lumia", and he said Thanks. :)
[17:22:48] <CyanoTex> I like being kind.
[17:23:26] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: I'm curious to see if the Twinkle block says that annoying (TW) in the block reason.
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[17:27:47] <{soap|bed}> yes
[17:27:59] <{soap|bed}> Pretty sure it does, Ive seen it in other admins' block summaries
[17:28:24] <{soap|bed}> Its probably disablable, but most people wouldnt bother
[17:28:53] <{soap|bed}> sorry CyanoTex. Did not mean to imply anything bad about Windows Phones other than that they just arent very successful in getting market share
[17:29:07] <{soap|bed}> which is not always a sign of a bad product
[17:29:22] <CyanoTex> Well, everyone's addicted on iOS and Android.
[17:35:21] <{soap|bed}> bbl
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[18:35:22] <CyanoTex> Any advice on what I should do with this old Intel Pentium 4 processor?
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[18:35:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> CyanoTex museum :)
[18:36:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if it works it may be useful
[18:36:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you can build a router out of it with significant effort I suppose
[18:36:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do you have a motherboard too?
[18:36:50] <CyanoTex> I was considering recycling it for it to get used in a (hopefully) better way.
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[18:37:50] <CyanoTex> ToAruShiroiNeko: Also, I do have a ASRock motherboard, but no PC case.
[18:38:14] <CyanoTex> ToAruShiroiNeko: I think the museum idea is good, but where am I going to find a museum that accepts a processor?
[18:38:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> A pc router can be useful in dealing with DDoS attakcs
[18:38:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> setting that up may take effort but it would be quite robust
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[18:39:37] <CyanoTex> I have a (puny) Thomson router that provides me internet. That's handy already.
[18:39:48] <CyanoTex> The Museum idea, though..
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[18:41:00] <CyanoTex> ToAruShiroiNeko: Well, I would build a PC router, but I don't have time. Besides... I think I touched the golden contact pins of the processor.
[18:41:17] <CyanoTex> If I remember correctly, those pins don't like grease. At all.
[18:41:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its not that big of a deal
[18:41:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> unless bent or broken
[18:41:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would be a fun agarge project
[18:41:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like me building a makeshift shelf
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[18:42:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can cut wood with a saw!
[18:42:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> straightish...
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[18:44:38] <CyanoTex> Yeah.
[18:45:21] <CyanoTex> I might consider recycling it.
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[20:42:45] <Qcoder00> So how did the EU vote on FoP go?
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[20:47:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 a landslide victory
[20:47:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-07-08/In_the_media
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[20:47:55] <Qcoder00> I won;t call it a victory until Wikipedi can photo a certain French viaduct.... ;)
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[20:49:16] <Qcoder00> BTW Does anyone have Reda's e-mail?
[20:49:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we can do that legally
[20:49:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we just need a photo from distance
[20:49:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> commons does host it for better or worse
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[20:50:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am excited for 14 july
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[20:55:14] <Ironholds> why 14 July?
[20:55:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> New Horizons fly by
[20:55:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have had that on my userpage since 2006 I think
[20:56:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> They just released an impage for pluto
[20:56:45] <Ironholds> aha!
[20:56:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PIA19702-Pluto-HeartFeature-NewHorizons-20150707.jpg
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[20:58:21] <NotASpy> an impage ?
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[21:00:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its like an image but ten times more rad
[21:01:40] <Qcoder00> HI Ironholfs
[21:01:45] <Qcoder00> *Ironholds
[21:01:54] <Ironholds> heyo!
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[21:02:04] <Qcoder00> What's new in the Wiki world?
[21:02:36] <Ironholds> no idea, I've been in Denmark for two weeks
[21:03:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Denmark?
[21:03:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Isnt that the place stuff is rotten
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[21:06:57] <Qcoder00> Denamrk?
[21:06:59] <Qcoder00> Lobbying
[21:07:19] <NotASpy> he's stuck in the Lego factory.
[21:07:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.shakespeare-online.com/quickquotes/quickquotehamletdenmark.html
[21:07:47] <Qcoder00> NotAspy : ROFL
[21:07:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 'Something is rotten in the state of Denmark'
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[21:08:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy they tend to burry decomissioned lego building machines into the factories they reside in
[21:08:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> under concrete
[21:08:43] <NotASpy> can't tell if serious or not
[21:08:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am
[21:10:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If denmark had an NSA like body they would probably burry their phones under their offices :p
[21:10:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this was like 50 something years ago
[21:11:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ancient history
[21:12:32] <Qcoder00> I'm sure Denmakr must have it own version of NSA
[21:12:39] <Qcoder00> Most countries do
[21:12:46] <Qcoder00> Even Germany has one
[21:12:54] <Qcoder00> (not that they'd admit to it
[21:12:56] <Qcoder00> )
[21:14:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What I mean US NSA like entity
[21:14:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that wiretaps their own exes etc
[21:14:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Have you seen the latest leak btw
[21:14:30] <NotASpy> Qcoder00: well, we've got an article on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst
[21:14:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> incidentally there is a private italian company that is acting like a private nsa
[21:14:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> letting governments spy on their citizens
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[21:18:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It includes countries like Egypt, Saudi arabia, thailand, south korea, poland, italy mexico
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[21:20:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/07/leaked-documents-confirm-hacking-team-sells-spyware-repressive-countries/
[21:22:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 basically countries seemingly outsourced their spying
[21:23:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team
[21:23:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> neat
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[23:07:12] * SamB_7 wonders if {{PD-text}} applies to Prince's former name -- surely a person's name is supposed to be made up of letterforms, yes?
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[23:21:02] <Cncmaster> Is the Duplication Detector tool not working for anyone else?
[23:21:25] <Dragonfly6-7> which one
[23:21:28] <Dragonfly6-7> there are two of them
[23:22:20] <Cncmaster> https://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/
[23:23:11] <Cncmaster> It picked up on a copyvio earlier, but not on the same one a few minutes later.
[23:23:34] <Cncmaster> Which I found odd.
[23:24:44] <Cncmaster> The other copyvio detector was working just fine.
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