Session Start: Sat Nov 19 13:10:25 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[13:10] <foks> James, I would imaging
[13:10] <foks> *e
[13:10] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
�08[13:10] <diggyhole> hi all
�08[13:11] <diggyhole> hi foks
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[13:11] <Ironholds> James
[13:11] <Qcoder00> I thought James did appear at a second Commons hearing recently?
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[13:13] <mabdul|afk> Ironholds: spamIP should get blocked, see -help Zidanie5
[13:13] <Ironholds> mabdul|afk: I'm not an op ;p
[13:13] <mabdul|afk> Ironholds: nah, onwiki
[13:14] <Ironholds> mabdul|afk: you remember how last time you asked me for help I said I was on the clock?
[13:14] <Ironholds> well, even though it's the weekend...still working
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[13:42] <Pesky> You still working now, Ironholds ?
[13:44] <Ironholds> Pesky: indeed
[13:44] <Ironholds> last-minute survey analysis
[13:44] <Pesky> You're mad!
[13:44] <Pesky> How's the survey looking?
[13:44] <Ironholds> I've worked 12 hours since close of business Friday
[13:46] <Pesky> ew
[13:46] <Ironholds> pretty good! It torpedoes a lot of assumptions about NPPers, actually
[13:46] <Pesky> That's gotta be good
[13:46] <Ironholds> well, yes and no
[13:46] <Pesky> It says we're all wrinklies?
[13:46] <Ironholds> something like that :P
[13:46] <Pesky> hehe
[13:46] <Ironholds> the average NPPer has an undergraduate degree, is over 21 and has been editing since 06
[13:46] <Ironholds> the problem with this is it means there's now no popular theory for why some people who do it are mean
[13:46] <Pesky> I am having so much trouble with my back that I can't sit at the keyboard for long at a time
[13:46] <Ironholds> I'm having to rely on the null hypothesis: maybe they're just dicks?
[13:46] <Pesky> Me included?
[13:46] <Ironholds> (joke. the null hypothesis is "maybe NPP is so stressful it turns people into dicks")
[13:46] <Ironholds> you haven't been editing since 06, you're an outlier
[13:46] <Pesky> Noooo, reeeallY! I would *never* have thought5 of that one!
[13:46] <Pesky> I started editing in 06 ...
[13:46] <LauraHale> Ironholds: New popular theory: Old hands are tired and have short fuses, even while believing in core mission? Can that be new theory?
�06[13:46] * LauraHale started seriously editing this year
[13:46] <Pesky> but it would be true to say I haven't been editing *since* 06
[13:46] <Pesky> ever since, I mean
[13:46] <Ironholds> LauraHale: that's an excellent point, actually. I did put together a way of testing fuse length, but there are too many variables for it to be testable.
[13:46] <Pesky> I think I probably have a very long fuse, but then I;m an outlier
[13:46] <LauraHale> Ironholds: Uncontrolled and dependent variables are a pain in the ass.
[13:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> LauraHale could I make you edit an article?
[13:46] <Ironholds> you live in the new forest raising ponies
[13:46] <Ironholds> you're an outlier in so many ways :P
[13:47] <Ironholds> LauraHale: fuckin' A.
[13:47] <LauraHale> ToAruShiroiNeko: Link?
[13:47] <Pesky> When I get short-fused, given the opportunity, I go and smash something on the field, with a 12lb sledgehammer
�06[13:47] * LauraHale pat pats Ironholds
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders
[13:47] <Shirik> you own a 12 lb sledgehammer?
[13:47] <Qcoder00> Pesky: You don't take an axe to logs?
[13:47] <Pesky> yes
[13:47] <LauraHale> I see we've both taken similar resea�rch methods classes. :)
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[13:47] <Pesky> I also go and clear undergrowth with a large axe :D
[13:47] <Pesky> I'm a badass granny
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[13:47] <Ironholds> LauraHale: actually I've never taken a research methods class
[13:47] <Qcoder00> What does someoen need a 12 lb sledgehammer
[13:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> LauraHale it is a developing article with new information
[13:47] <Ironholds> I just spent two years studying pure statistics
[13:47] <Pesky> Whacking in fence posts
[13:47] <LauraHale> ToAruShiroiNeko: Not touching articles about murders :/
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I believe article needs more info on individual murders
[13:48] <LauraHale> I hate statistics.
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> LauraHale but its nazi murders
[13:48] <Qcoder00> pesky: My My Grandma , what a big axe you have? All the better to kill wolves with ;)
[13:48] <Pesky> I want a seriously BIG axe
[13:48] <Pesky> Like a Viking war axe
[13:48] <Qcoder00> Pesky: Are those even legal?
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 of course
[13:48] <Shirik> I don't see why they shouldn't be
[13:48] <Ironholds> Qcoder00: lawyers tend not to stick around to argue precise points with someone waving 30 pounds of sharpened steel in their face
[13:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as long as you claim it is for personal use
[13:48] <LauraHale> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'm uncomfortable touching articles about murderers while court action may be ongoing.
[13:48] <Pesky> Did you know you can strip an entire bramble thicket off in one fell sweep, with a 12lb axe?
[13:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> LauraHale the content I am interested in are undisputed facts
[13:49] <Qcoder00> Ironholds: Isn't that why the Commons cxhamber is it's current size?
[13:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the woman is probably not responsible of any of the murders
[13:49] <Pesky> The best big axes are the ones with a semicircular blade edge on the cutting side
[13:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the suspects have killed themselves
[13:49] <Qcoder00> Ironholds: To stop members on opposing benches being able to reach others with a sword?
[13:49] <Pesky> Saddler's round knife is also a lethal weapon
[13:49] <Ironholds> Qcoder00: not size, no, but the lines on the floor are there for that reason
[13:50] <LauraHale> suspects =/= Guilty. Woman probably innocent is a line I'd not like to be editing across.
[13:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> she is not innocent
[13:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but she probably wasnt the person pulling the trigger
[13:51] <Pesky> Meta-question of the day: who is "innocent" in the full meaning of the word? (not counting pre-verbal infants)
[13:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> The article coveres murders of people whoes murders remained a mystery for the past - I am more concerened with those old murders as they are presented in articles years old
[13:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but if you dont want to get involved thats fine too
[13:51] <Ironholds> Pesky: me, and I'll stab you if you say otherwise
[13:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> LauraHale do you know anyone who would help edit this article?
[13:52] <Pesky> Qcoder00: did you know that it's possible to decapitate someone with one swipe of a saddler's round knife? (provided that one has the appropriate uper-body strength)
[13:52] <LauraHale> ToAruShiroiNeko: No, as the editors I know tend to be sport people or Aussie people.
[13:52] <Qcoder00> I didn't
[13:52] <LauraHale> Or Military history people.
[13:52] <quanticle> Pesky: Where is the new forest?
[13:52] <Pesky> They're cool tools
[13:52] <quanticle> And is there an old forest?
[13:52] <Pesky> Southern England, in Hampshire
[13:52] <Qcoder00> Pesky: You dont read 20's Detective fisction by any chance?
[13:52] <Pesky> Well, mostly in Hampshire
[13:52] <Qcoder00> *fiction
[13:52] <Pesky> My grandfather wrote pre-war detective fiction
[13:52] <LauraHale> Is Katarighe running for ArbCom?
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[13:53] <WilliamH_UK> I wouldn't put it past him
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[13:53] <Qcoder00> quanticle: When the New Forest was created it WAS new compared to ancient forest that had existed since time immoral ;)
[13:53] <LauraHale> He commented on Philipe's talk page about identifying.
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[13:53] <Pesky> Qcoder00: http://www.leprevo.co.uk/photos/saddlers-knife.jpg
[13:54] <Pesky> That has razor-sharp edge
[13:54] <Pesky> You can cut through 0.25 inch hard leather just by leaning on one of those
[13:54] <Qcoder00> Hmm
[13:54] <quanticle> Qcoder00: The new forest was created? As in planted?
[13:54] <Qcoder00> quanicle: The New Forest I think was designated
[13:54] <Pesky> It was appropriated by William the Conk
[13:55] <Pesky> as a Royal hunting forest
[13:55] <Pesky> Nova Foresta
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[13:55] <quanticle> Wait, wait, when was the new forest so designated?
[13:55] <Pesky> After 1066 and before William the Conk died, at a guess :P
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[13:56] <Pesky> 11th Century
[13:56] <Pesky> [[New Forest]] - go read
[13:57] <Shirik> wtf is up with that picture
[13:57] <Shirik> Exposure time 2/877 sec (0.0022805017103763)
[13:57] <Shirik> oh auto exposure
[13:57] <Shirik> bleh
[13:57] <closedmouth> lame
[13:58] <closedmouth> hey Shirik, i think shiibot is still broken
[13:58] <Shirik> I think he probably is
[13:58] <Shirik> even though I can't see
[13:58] <closedmouth> :(
[13:59] <closedmouth> number 2 was reporting almost every single /v/ thread
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[14:02] <Lubaf> Stupid anecdote of the day: Elvis Costello once got into a taxi, and say "Chelsea, please". The driver started laughing.
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[14:04] <foks> lol
�06[14:04] * LauraHale heard that joke already
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�06[14:06] * matthewrbowker has a feeling he's seen that in IRC before
[14:06] <Jeske_Merensky> "An opened container of "Smartfood" brand white cheddar-flavored popcorn, manufactured by Frito-Lay. Contains remnants of popcorn kernels and powdered cheddar cheese-flavored substance, and a note, reading "I.O.U. 41 popcorn kernels"."
�06[14:06] * LauraHale heard it from some one in person
[14:09] <Qcoder00> Jeske_Merensky: Tastless joke I heard the other day... ' It obvious why there isn't an Occupy East Jerasualum... The Israelis got there first! ' :(
[14:10] <Jeske_Merensky> Qcoder00) ...Fuck off.
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[14:13] <closedmouth> there you go overreacting again
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[14:15] <Pesky> Hey, Moonriddengirl !
[14:15] <Moonriddengirl> Hi, Pesky. :)
[14:15] <Pesky> You just love me today, don't you :P
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[14:16] <Pesky> When I can sit at the keyboard for long enough at a time, I;ll help out with source-hunting on that article
[14:16] <Moonriddengirl> Thanks. :D I haven't had much time for volunteering today, because i can't stop working. :/ I'm trying to find a CSS designer for the legal team.
[14:17] <Pesky> Wouldn't surprise me if it was 75% copyvio
[14:17] <Pesky> My back is being such a bar-steward that I have to keep going to lie down
[14:17] <Moonriddengirl> Hard to say. I have spot-checked all through and found no duplication anywhere except mirrors. It's possible that the guy is really into original research. :)
[14:18] <matthewrbowker> Or he doesn't know how to source.
[14:18] <Pesky> The skeletons bit was a straight lift, though ...
�06[14:18] * matthewrbowker has no clue what everyone is talking about :P
[14:18] <Moonriddengirl> Yes, but he did at least say it was drawn from a source.
[14:18] <Moonriddengirl> Matthewrbowker, it's a pretty strange article--I'll link you.
[14:18] <Pesky> Have you done Google books and Scholar (obviously you have ...)
[14:18] <Moonriddengirl> Here you go, Matthew: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshfield,_Gloucestershire>
[14:19] <Pesky> matthewrbowker: copyvio dating back toi 2006 :P
[14:19] <Pesky> Lervely!
[14:19] <Moonriddengirl> I have, yes. I only spot-checked because I was low on time, but I didn't come up with anything.
[14:19] <Pesky> I found it when the skeletons section was split out and appeared in NPP
[14:19] <Pesky> Fing is … I actually half-way recognise some of the wording. Can;t t hink for the life of me where from.
[14:20] <Pesky> It will probably come to me at 3 am.
[14:20] <Pesky> I used to have friends who lived there.
[14:21] <matthewrbowker> Holy cow! That's very strange. All that and three sources ...
[14:21] <Pesky> I *recognise* … bits … of it
[14:22] <Moonriddengirl> Yeah, if you look through edit by edit, the primary contributor actually used to embed conversation. Like he'd offer to check the schedule of something if people called him.
[14:23] <Pesky> In the highwaymen section, fair 'nuff, a load of it is quotes from PD materail. But even the bits in between them - I;m sure I;ve seen before
[14:26] <Pesky> "When the alarm was given, out would come the Fire Engine and fire men Canon Trotman in his shirt sleeves and all the inhabitants of Marshfield following" I KNOW I;ve seen that before
[14:27] <Moonriddengirl> All righty; having failed to find a designer, I guess I need to go and see if I can fake being a designer.
[14:27] <Pesky> Yay, go girl! Fake it till you make it
�08[14:27] <diggyhole> faking orgasms?
�08[14:27] <diggyhole> you go girl
[14:27] <harej> CROUTONS ON HUDSON
[14:27] <Pesky> I have to go and lie down aghain ….
[14:27] <Moonriddengirl> See you later!
[14:28] <Pesky> Yeh, syy you
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[14:28] <Pesky> damned paws!
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[14:28] <Pesky> see
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[14:30] <haha> Ironholds: Just a friendly reminder...
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[14:42] <Jeske_Merensky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arsehole135 needs a whack, if not already killed
[14:42] <Ironholds> haha: yes?
[14:43] <closedmouth> haha, yes
[14:43] <haha> Ironholds: To hunt me down and kill me
[14:43] <Ironholds> haha: I'll do it later. right now I'm going to invade eastern europe in Empire:Total War
[14:43] <Ironholds> I've worked 12 hours since close-of-work friday. I need to unwind.
[14:43] <PeterSymonds> Then get off IRC.
[14:43] <Ironholds> PeterSymonds: excellent point!
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[14:43] <PeterSymonds> ty
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[14:44] <closedmouth> yw
[14:44] <closedmouth> oh hey, it's that easy
[14:45] <haha> heehee.
[14:45] <haha> PeterSymonds!
[14:45] <PeterSymonds> Hello haha.
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[14:46] <closedmouth> you're in a good mood today
[14:46] <PeterSymonds> I am always in a good mood!
[14:46] <PeterSymonds> Except when I'm not.
[14:47] <CRRaysHead90> Would someone please speak to [[User:JaMikePA]], he's obviously not getting the picture when i warn him about edit warring.
[14:47] <harej> Pee Ey!
[14:47] <CRRaysHead90> He keeps reverting the new blue jays colors which are reliably sourced. This isn't the first time, this is like the 50th time, he did it with the Miami Marlins colors too
�06[14:48] * haha pokes Har
[14:48] <haha> harej:
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