Session Start: Sun Jul 05 00:00:00 2015
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[02:43:45] <Reguyla> Lol, like Floquenbeam said "Previous agreement to not edit WP for 6 months an obvious farce!" There was never any intention of letting me edit ENWP regardless of what the community decided. At least we agree on that.
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[02:48:23] <Reguyla> Not only was it a farce that arbcom or some of the admins would let me edit since I criticized them. It was also a farce because it never anywhere said do not edit.
[02:49:02] <Reguyla> Thats just made up BS lies designed by Floquenbeam as a personal attack directed towards me thats now stuck in a block log
[02:49:38] <Reguyla> Its unfortunate that an admin has to lie in order to justify what they do, but that is what Wikipedia has come too I suppose
[02:50:17] <Reguyla> If you have no reason to justify a block, just make something up. As long as your an admin, you can pretty much do whatever you want. Even violate policy apparently
[02:53:04] <Reguyla> And people wonder why people are leaving the site, editing is down, very few are running for let alone passing RFA or even recruiting people to the site. They see how editors are treated and its bye bye
[02:54:04] <Reguyla> Not to mention ore vandals, sockmasters, spammers and critics. Wikipedia has turned into a joke and a digrace at the hands of the Arbcom and a handful of abusive admins that want to do whatever they want with impunity
[02:54:22] * Katie blinks at scrollback.
[02:54:23] <Katie> tl;dr
[02:55:11] <Reguyla> whats tl;dr mean?
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[03:00:04] <Reguyla> I would also agree that Floquenbeams statement that "him and WP look stupid, of course" because I was actually naive enough to think that he and others would actually follow policy and the communities decision
[03:00:34] <Reguyla> Why follow policy when your an admin and arb? It just gets in the way of things
[03:01:02] <Reguyla> Its much better to just do what you want, ignore policy, ignore community decisions that the Arbcom insisted on
[03:01:27] <Reguyla> but since it didn't have the result they and Floq wanted, it has to be changed
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[03:03:46] <Reguyla> Thats what ENWP has come too under the rule of the Arbcom! Don't like an outcome, just keep resubitting until you get what you want or ignore the result entirely and just do what you want anyway as long as you are an admin
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[03:04:07] <Reguyla> If anyone disagrees they have to take you to Arbcom who will just dismiss the case on the grounds of being an admin
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[03:47:41] <PontoCom_BR> olá. // hello.
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[06:12:44] <Iaaasi> hello
[06:12:50] <Iaaasi> any en.wp admin available?
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[06:14:35] <Iaaasi> FastLizard4 are you an admin?
[06:14:44] <FastLizard4> No
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[06:45:10] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[10:36:25] <gfsh> are you aware of an offline wikipedia editor?
[10:36:38] <gfsh> or something like a purposeful IDE, with syntax highlighting and such
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[13:17:55] <gfsh> what external editors do wikipedians use to edit sometimes complex articles?
[13:18:07] <gfsh> or at least something that does syntax highlighting and maybe code folding
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[14:52:31] <prosodyContext> gfsh: www.atom.io <3
[14:54:16] * prosodyContext wishes every text box had cold folding
[14:54:28] <prosodyContext> code*
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[15:01:58] <gfsh> prosodyContext: thanks, that looks neat!
[15:02:24] <gfsh> prosodyContext: what atom packages do you use to edit wikipedia pages?
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[15:09:14] <prosodyContext> gfsh (go fish? 😃 I guess I had never thought to search for Wikipedia-specific extensions, though I now see some domain-specific wiki languages on first research....
[15:09:36] <prosodyContext> Just suggested atom going by your specs.
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[15:10:52] <prosodyContext> I've only made 2 wiki pages, first one deleted, second pending review, so i have a lot to learn.
[15:11:12] <Reguyla> Its ok, it just takes time
[15:11:39] <prosodyContext> =∫∫ =))
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[16:01:51] <larszo> Hi. I'm not very experienced in editing. How do I change the last "stable release" field in infobox software? I'm trying to update this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byobu_(software)?veaction=edit according to this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kirkland/byobu/trunk/view/head:/debian/changelog
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[16:03:32] <Shirik> larszo: click "edit source" and you should see the information right at the top there
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[16:04:30] <Glaisher> In this case, it's a bit different
[16:04:39] <Glaisher> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Byobu&action=edit
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[16:04:42] <Shirik> I should have actually done it myself
[16:04:50] <Shirik> I didn't bother looking :P
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[16:08:31] <larszo> Nice Glaisher, Thanks. Not quite sure how you got to that screen thought, but it worked.
[16:09:25] <Glaisher> larszo: It's a bit complicated if you are new.
[16:09:34] <Glaisher> but I got to that screen from the edit source
[16:09:44] <Glaisher> and clicking on latest stable software link at the bottom
[16:09:49] <Glaisher> under transcluded templates
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[16:11:13] <larszo> Glaisher, Ahh ok. That sure is a bit complicated for a newbie. But thanks.
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[16:22:06] <Shirik> larszo: there's actually a link in the infobox
[16:22:18] <Shirik> the little +/- next to the stable release will take you to that page
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[16:36:04] <larszo> Shirik, I saw that but when I click it i comes up empty. It seems the difference in the link from the little +/- sign and the link that Glacier provided is due to the fact that the +/- referes to byobu_(software) in the url whereas the correct link that Glacier provided only refers to byobu. Skipping the _(software).
[16:36:48] <larszo> I wonder if it's a bug or just something I don't understand.
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[17:14:00] <Reguyla> Well at least now I know what it takes for the Arbcom Ban review subcommittee to approve requests. Wait 6 years like this one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kwork2
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[17:14:37] <Glaisher> Yesterday you said that you were done with the arbcom stuff on this channel...
[17:15:00] <Reguyla> I know, it was just a general statement
[17:15:17] <Reguyla> Just kinda letting people know whats required to get approved
[17:15:51] <Glaisher> Most people here are not interested in that stuff, I believe.
[17:15:52] <Reguyla> there are at least a couple of other folks on this channel who are banned as well. I just thought they might be interested in knowing what the requirements are
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[17:17:30] <Reguyla> I do wonder how much th editor grovelled to feed the arbcom's ego's enough to be unblocked though
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[17:19:26] <Reguyla> Sorry I guess I am still pretty pissed about how much the manipulated and violated policy in my case. I have real trouble just letting go when people like that are in positions of power. It really rubs me the wrong way
[17:20:19] <Reguyla> Because I was critical of them they won't let anyone unblock me and actively guard my userpage and actively threaten anyone who asks about it.
[17:20:30] <Reguyla> Which really pisses me off
[17:20:59] <Glaisher> If you really do want to get unblocked, why don't you simply do what they are asking?
[17:21:05] <Reguyla> They know that no one can do anything about their conduct, so there is no mechanism in place to keep them from doing it. Everyone sees the GorillaWarfare case
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[17:21:28] <Reguyla> I did and now they are ignoring the communty decision and making sure no one else unblocks it either
[17:22:08] <Reguyla> So they showed me then that they never had any intention of following the communities decision that they insisted had to be done rather than the
[17:22:34] <Reguyla> it wasn't until the result was other than what they wanted that now they insist unblock requests have to go to them
[17:24:06] <Reguyla> The community decision last August stated I should be unblocked in Febraury and my talk page was unlocked so I could interact. Then some people who opposed my unblock, mostly admins and editors I had criticized in the past, blew up my talk page to justify extending my ban at ANI and then basically used Ricky to carry out the block extension
[17:24:47] <Reguyla> I could not comment at ANI to defend myself, and they knew and counted on that to get what they wanted.
[17:25:23] <Reguyla> And going even farther back my original ban itslef was a manipulation of policy by continuously resubmitting ban requests against me until a handful of problematic editors got what they wanted
[17:26:40] <Reguyla> The whole experience from that point to now has been nothing but a small minority of abusive individuals manipulating the policy of WIkipedia to achieve what they want
[17:27:21] <Reguyla> There are a lot more people who would like to see me editing again, including admins, but can't unblock me because they are afraid of the Arbcom
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[17:27:51] <Reguyla> Eventhough I am not under an Arbcom ban or sanction, they still force everyone to do what they want
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[17:28:58] <Reguyla> Just look at the block on my account by floquenbeam, he blatantly lied to justify it, stating I was not suppose to edit for 6 months when he and everyone knows that is not what the ban review stated and in fact my talk page was unocked specificially so that I could interact
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[17:29:32] <Reguyla> Anyone can read the ban and the original unblock to see that
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[17:30:42] <Reguyla> So I hope you'll forgive me if I am not going to give in to a couple bullies who don't care about the project, aren't here/there to build an encyclopedia and are only interested in feeding their ego's and influencing their pet projects
[17:32:01] <Reguyla> Most the Arbs are just politicans and have rarely edited since they became admins, most have't done any substantial content improvement in years. Because editing for the was just a means to get access to the admin tools
[17:32:12] <Reguyla> once they got what they wanted, they didn't need to edit anymore
[17:33:10] <Reguyla> So it really surprises me when people wonder why I am so pissed about the situation and how I am being treated on ENWP
[17:34:24] <Glaisher> Ok.. I think you can stop now.
[17:35:23] <Reguyla> Yep, probably
[17:36:34] <Reguyla> I guess I really just need to create a new account.
[17:37:50] <Glaisher> and let no one know that you're you
[17:37:51] <Glaisher> perhaps :P
[17:38:02] <Reguyla> It really would be a lot easier and I bet within a year or year and a half I would be able to run for RFA
[17:38:46] <Reguyla> Since the Arbs won't let anyone unblock me without risking losing the tools themselves I can't expect anyone to risk that
[17:39:14] <Reguyla> Oh I would let everyone know eventually. I have no intention of hiding and shouldn't have too
[17:39:26] <Reguyla> But maybe I would wait a few months
[17:39:30] <GorillaWarfare> Oh deary.
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[17:44:18] <Reguyla> What you have already made it clear you aren't going to ever let me edit, so I don't have much choice if I want to build an encyclopedia do I? IAR is there for a reason
[17:44:54] <Reguyla> and IAR is a "Policy" and specifically states: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it."
[17:45:08] <Reguyla> It does not state Arbcom desires are exempt from that
[17:45:41] <Reguyla> especially when I am not even under an Arbcom sanction or decision. Its just being enforced by you and the other members of the Arbcom because its what you want
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[17:46:05] <Reguyla> and because you didn't agree wiht the communities decision in the Ban review
[17:46:41] <Reguyla> So since you didn't agree, just make sure everyone knows if they touch it they'll have arbcom to deal with if they do
[17:47:00] <GorillaWarfare> Reguyla: Now that you've convinced yourself breaking policy is the best way forward, can't you just... do that?
[17:47:06] <GorillaWarfare> Instead of bothering everyone on IRC about it?
[17:47:22] <Reguyla> I shouldn't have to
[17:47:40] <GorillaWarfare> Nor do you, but it's clearly what you've decided to do
[17:47:41] <Reguyla> "break policy" because a couple politicians want to use me as a message to the community
[17:47:53] <Reguyla> Its only because you give me no other choice
[17:48:05] <Glaisher> Reguyla: I suggest you to do what I have already suggested and not talk about it on IRC.
[17:48:19] <Reguyla> its a catch 22. Do what you say and don't get edits done or don't and get edits done until maybe someone catches me
[17:48:25] <Reguyla> at least edits get done that way
[17:48:47] <GorillaWarfare> Even if that were the case, what does talking about it here achieve?
[17:49:18] <GorillaWarfare> Either follow BASC's advice or don't, I'm just sick of hearing you go on about it
[17:49:22] <Reguyla> It shows that forcing editors into violating policy just to improve Wikipedia is a stupid thing for the Arbcom to do
[17:49:39] <GorillaWarfare> So tell that to the ArbCom instead of shouting into the void at #wikipedia
[17:50:02] <Reguyla> BASC's advice? Really? Their advice was to ask again in 6 months for a decision that hte community made and the Arbcom won't let anyone do
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[17:50:25] <Reguyla> You know as well as I do that the Arbcom doesn't care, you said that as much already
[17:50:36] <Reguyla> They only care about admins, not editors like me
[17:50:50] <GorillaWarfare> Reguyla: Enough
[17:50:53] <Reguyla> And they certainly have no intention of ever unblocking my acccount
[17:51:00] <Reguyla> since i have criticized them
[17:51:06] <GorillaWarfare> Like I said, do what you're going to do, just stop going on about it here.
[17:51:10] <Reguyla> Yep, very adult. Don't like it, just block them
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[22:58:05] <Shii> agghhhhhhh
[22:58:43] <Shii> someone just used the wikipedia email service to inform me that he is going to libel me on his blog
[22:59:00] <Shii> is there anyone i can contact about this?
[22:59:50] <RD> What's his username?
[23:00:08] <Shii> Vordrak
[23:01:09] <RD> is it related to the other people he said "YGM" to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vordrak
[23:01:41] <Shii> yes, he's going to include them all in an extremely poorly researched article
[23:04:11] <Shii> obviously wikimedia cant control external blogs, but as an admin i feel kind of left out to dry
[23:04:19] <GorillaWarfare> Looking
[23:04:31] <Finnegan> Yeah we unfortunately can't do anything about what people do offwiki, in general
[23:04:47] <Finnegan> if I were you'd I'd drop an email to both arbcom and the WMF Community Department (aka
[23:04:52] <Finnegan> Maggie and/or Philippe)
[23:04:57] <GorillaWarfare> Yeah, what Finnegan said
[23:05:10] <Finnegan> letting them know you'd got this threat, do they have any advice, is there anything they can do to help/stop it
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[23:06:16] <GorillaWarfare> ca@wikimedia.org is the email, fwiw
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[23:08:56] <Shii> thanks, i'll send the email. its really in their hands. what a crappy thing to wake up to
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