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Session Start: Tue Jul 07 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[00:00:48] <JamesEG> this is the kind of label that just plasters pictures of girls on the covers
[00:01:30] <comets> XD
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[00:03:57] <JamesEG> should i upload a smaller picture of the guy?
[00:04:53] <comets> lol ur choice
[00:05:29] <JamesEG> goodbye, ==Personal life==
[00:06:01] <JamesEG> nothing there pertains to the music
[00:08:14] <JamesEG> ZeroSerenity that's an interesting choice for the wedding. what's that style? can't put my finger on it
[00:08:43] <ZeroSerenity> Lolita.
[00:08:53] <JamesEG> yeah, that's it
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[00:28:27] <JamesEG> that fijian newspaper looks like a heavy promotional piece, too. probably eager to call attention to a local
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[00:47:45] <SamB_7> hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Intel_old_logo.svg is marked as non-free, but https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Intel_Logo.svg depicts the same logo and has been there for ages
[00:48:19] <foks> it's also an SVG
[00:48:31] <foks> which means it's not low-res, which means it needs deleted
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[00:48:36] <foks> though I think it's PD-text?
[00:49:37] <comets> yeah JamesEG, you should cull the article atleast ..the links that say he is a top dj on reverbnation is utter bull :/
[00:49:48] <SamB_7> foks: something of that ilk certainly seems to apply, yes
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[00:50:03] <foks> one would thing
[00:50:04] <JamesEG> workin' it comets
[00:50:05] <foks> * think
[00:50:07] <SamB_7> I mean, they've got it tagged appropriate at Commons already ...
[00:50:12] <comets> :D
[00:50:51] <SamB_7> the main difference is that the local copy has the R-in-circle mak
[00:50:53] <SamB_7> er. mark
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[01:04:24] <JamesEG> not that i care much for the ephemeral music charts on reverbnation, but if that Disk Jockey was among the top 10 in june, he's not even in the top 100 now.
[01:05:41] <comets> or ever was..its not like anyone who was reviewing the article would have clicked the link
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[01:07:36] <JamesEG> i think DJs are like rappers. it doesn't take much skill, so everybody thinks they can do it, flood it, and then you never notice any real quality anymore
[01:07:57] <JamesEG> no, i mean it doesn't take much skill to do the basics.
[01:08:49] <JamesEG> but i guess there's a lot of vapid market for the stuff, compared to many other things that also don't take much skill to start upon.
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[01:10:29] <JamesEG> on a slight tangent, someone should probably go through and look for citations with ReverbNation as the primary reference
[01:13:54] <comets> yes..someone...............................else. :P
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[01:14:53] <comets> i once made a DJ Song or remix as its known, i don't claim myself as DJ Comets ...........................yet O_O
[01:15:38] <comets> that would be a cool DJ name though :D
[01:15:39] <JamesEG> put your hands together for Deeee Jaaaayy Comets! *crickets chirp*
[01:15:56] <JamesEG> i think i saw that one already
[01:16:15] <comets> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :'(
[01:16:16] <JamesEG> you'd need to spell it stylishly
[01:16:34] <comets> DJ Cometstylez ? :P
[01:16:36] <JamesEG> <0^^3tz
[01:17:03] <JamesEG> or that
[01:17:19] <JamesEG> you master builder, you
[01:18:58] <comets> :D
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[01:27:17] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
[01:27:24] <JamesEG> man, so i wonder if i should remove a passage which is rather deprecating, in line with my other cuts, or just leave it in XP
[01:27:36] <JamesEG> X-P
[01:27:42] <JamesEG> hi Ponto
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[01:28:07] <JamesEG> Pontoriero?
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[01:29:01] <PontoCom_BR> JamesEG: hi.
[01:30:04] <comets> the article seems untouched ... O_O
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[01:32:56] <JamesEG> i just finished.
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[01:36:16] <greeter> anyone else unable to load images on the english wikipedia?
[01:36:27] <comets> nice.... looks like a normal article now ..too much fluff before
[01:36:56] <JamesEG> it was written by that guy, or with material handed from him, you were right
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[01:40:45] <comets> i think the creator works for the production house
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[01:42:03] <comets> great and RD actually deleted an article of mine of a "noted" local musician, not this fake shit :/
[01:42:40] <JamesEG> oeh noeses!
[01:42:41] <RD> It was just a PROD. Request undeletion or don't.
[01:42:49] <comets> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22daniel+rae+costello%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[01:43:15] <comets> he is infact the ONLY known international Fijian musician :/
[01:43:37] <JamesEG> flatlists look odd in infoboxes
[01:43:39] <RD> Well, the article was PRODed for a week and nobody cared.
[01:43:57] <comets> i didn't know.. and whoever proded it was a idiot.
[01:44:05] <comets> the deleter, even bigger :/
[01:44:54] <JamesEG> if i was deleted tommorrow, would you still Talk: for me?
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[01:45:39] <JamesEG> I'm as free as a byte now
[01:47:24] <comets> wjy request undeletion of an article that should not have been deleted in the first place? it was well sourced as well..i believe it was also my first article on the wiki....
[01:48:55] <JamesEG> i'm curious as to why there is a separate procedure for AfD and PROD?
[01:49:04] <comets> any admin willing to restore? [[Daniel Rae Costello]] ?
[01:49:38] <JamesEG> if it takes 7 days for a PROD to follow-through, why not have one AfD, and if in 7 days there is no contention, then proceed to delete?
[01:49:58] <comets> PROD is a dumb thing, its the fastest way to get something deleted without anyone realizing it..wikipedia should get RID of it.
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[01:50:35] <comets> afd's create discussions, prod rarely do.
[01:51:43] <JamesEG> in my mind it should all be the same, because it is.
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[01:53:39] <JamesEG> Wikipedia is full of know-it-alls who bully the rest of them. I mean, yes I come off as arrogant too, but that's only the internet effect.
[01:53:46] <comets> go delete [[DJ Ritendra]], its as notable as my village grog band.
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[01:55:11] <comets> lemme rephrase, so any admin "with balls" willing to restore? [[Daniel Rae Costello]] ?
[01:55:19] <TParis> JamesEG: Well, what kind of fun would the internet be?
[01:55:34] <TParis> comets: Better luck getting it userfied.
[01:55:47] <JamesEG> a land of lollypops and marshmallow trees!
[01:55:52] <TParis> pfft
[01:55:59] <TParis> I don't like marshmallows
[01:56:22] <TParis> But to be honest, it's a mix of the internet effect and misperceptions as well.
[01:56:23] <JamesEG> and disturbingly eroticized ponys!
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[01:56:29] <TParis> Yes, people are bigger jerks when they are anonymous.
[01:56:44] <TParis> But to add to that, is the perception that people who don't agree with you must be being rude and uncivil.
[01:56:47] <comets> nah, ppl with powahs the the biggest.
[01:56:51] <comets> are*
[01:56:59] <JamesEG> did Penny Arcade guys really first come up with that?
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[01:57:10] <TParis> I dont know what Penny Arcade is
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[01:57:37] <TParis> So it's a mix of people being jerks, and other people seeing jerkishness where none exists
[01:57:39] <JamesEG> anyways, that's all true TP, but i did have an argument with some ops in here once
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[01:58:02] <JamesEG> and I honestly tell you that they refused to see it rationally
[01:58:07] * JamesEG shrugs
[01:58:09] <TParis> Well, I think the thing about "powah" corrupting is that people hate explaining themselves 100x and everyone wants a personalized explanation.
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[01:58:36] <TParis> People with "powah" lose patience because there are an infinite number of other people who don't drop the stick
[01:58:43] <JamesEG> good point. they should tell you to read the FAQ
[01:59:10] <TParis> Or, we should know when, collectively, enough is enough and give people space instead of pushing people until they break
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[02:00:01] <TParis> The problem is that most people don't realize that we all have a level of "powah" whether it comes from the tools, knowledge, reputation, etc.
[02:00:10] <TParis> And everyone wants to exert their "powah"
[02:00:29] <comets> so no admins with balls?..good to know..nothing has changed in 6 years..
[02:00:41] <JamesEG> we should all just be more like Ned Flanders
[02:00:42] <TParis> comets: Or no admins that give a flying fuck
[02:00:49] <TParis> about your band
[02:01:03] <TParis> I don't know any admin that wouldn't "have the balls" to restore an article
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[02:01:07] <JamesEG> i don't think the band was comets
[02:01:31] <TParis> w/e
[02:01:57] <TParis> This is what I mean, though, JamesEG. comets wants to be a giant dick - and then complain that admins with "powah" are the real dicks
[02:02:20] <TParis> He's forever complain about those with "powah" and never look himself in the mirror
[02:02:21] <comets> nah he missed the main part, a douchebag deleted the article of the "most" reknowned" musician in the Pacific since the 80's ... *facepalm*
[02:02:58] <JamesEG> i don't want to get between any problems you guys have with eachother
[02:03:20] <comets> if admins did their "job" instead of blindly deleting stuff, we wouldn't have this problem..
[02:03:50] <TParis> It's not a job, they don't get paid. And they'd have to get paid to put up with your attitude.
[02:04:16] <TParis> If you want to be a jerk, don't be surprised if no one is leaping to your assistance.
[02:04:26] <TParis> It ain't their job to put up with you.
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[02:05:16] <RD> comets: Stop whining in here. We have rules. Request undeletion and end your crisis or move on.
[02:05:18] <comets> i ask nicely once...unfortunately all the good admins have retired, just the a-holes remain... like u TP ..
[02:05:23] <JamesEG> let's just say that yes, the PROD procedure seems like it was designed a way to avoid contention, which could be a good thing for argumentative people but probably isn't for Wikipedia as a whole
[02:05:27] <JamesEG> ugh
[02:05:36] <comets> its ur mistake RD not mine, u fix it.
[02:05:42] <RD> It wasn't a mistake
[02:05:50] <comets> JamesEG, it is..
[02:05:58] <comets> oh yes, it was..
[02:06:01] <RD> It was PRODed for the required time...and now it's gone.
[02:06:12] <TParis> No point arguing with him, RD. Politness is only a requirement of everyone else. Comets is above the expectations of everyone else.
[02:06:13] <JamesEG> comets in the future you should probably Watch pages like that.
[02:06:17] <comets> lemme prod Jimbo's article
[02:06:25] <TParis> Feel free, comets.
[02:06:29] <RD> TParis: Even he is entitled to a warning
[02:06:36] <TParis> RD - he got one.
[02:06:48] <comets> the closing admins should NOT blindly delete stuff... you FAILED stop blaming me.
[02:06:49] <TParis> Now he's just being a jerk
[02:07:06] <TParis> comets: It wasn't blind. It takes 2 people to PROD an article. And it lasts for 7 days where anyone can oppose it.
[02:07:22] <TParis> You're a giant tool, comets. And for the record, I retired 6 months ago :P
[02:07:27] <RD> People always complain about the process yet don't do anything to change it.
[02:07:33] <comets> yeah, still here..
[02:07:41] <slakr> you need 2 people to prod an article?
[02:07:44] <JamesEG> comets, please shut up for a moment.
[02:07:53] <comets> news to me slakr
[02:07:53] <JamesEG> let's change the topic
[02:07:54] <TParis> slakr - one nom, one admin
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[02:08:09] <RD> The latter doesn't really mean anything, TParis
[02:08:10] <comets> one nom, one trigger happy admin
[02:08:13] <slakr> oh... the admin is only rubber stamp
[02:08:21] <RD> The admin doesn't have to look at the article itself.
[02:08:24] <RD> Technically.
[02:08:27] <RD> Just the history.
[02:08:32] <slakr> ^
[02:08:33] <JamesEG> don't you guys think that the PROD procedure is a bit slanted?
[02:08:38] <slakr> no.
[02:08:42] <slakr> WP:UNDELETE
[02:08:47] <JamesEG> let's discuss pros and cons
[02:08:48] <comets> precisely..u failed, not me... you are supposed to SEE what is being TAGGED for deletion.
[02:08:50] <slakr> nothing is deleted, just delisted.
[02:09:13] <comets> RD> Just the history. < lol so u deleted it because i wrote it?
[02:09:16] <TParis> slakr - the admin has a responsibility, it's their choice how they exercise it
[02:09:21] <RD> I didn't even look at the article, comets
[02:09:24] <RD> TBH.
[02:09:33] <slakr> the problem with using "deletion" is that anal-retentive people feel the need to retain things nobody cares about because "zOMG it'll be lost forever otherwise!"
[02:09:41] <comets> so it is ur fault, so why not just restore it?
[02:09:42] <TParis> exactly
[02:09:46] <comets> i did ask nicely..
[02:09:49] <RD> Because you're acting like a fool.
[02:09:50] <RD> No you didn't.
[02:10:02] <comets> i did, above, u didn;t respond
[02:10:02] <TParis> ftfy "tool"
[02:10:20] <RD> I restore lots of pages I delete. There are requests all over my talk page.
[02:10:32] <slakr> when in reality, anyone can just come by when it comes to PROD-deleted things and be like "yeah, I want it back," and it magically appears again. :P
[02:10:36] <RD> Well that's because you lost me after "idiot" where I should have banned you.
[02:10:37] <comets> of foff back to retirement TParis no one likes you..
[02:10:49] <TParis> lol, well you sure as crap don't
[02:11:27] <comets> i don't Post on ppl's talk pages much or outside of mainspace anymore unless some douchebag takes me to WP:ANI lol
[02:11:43] * JamesEG squawks
[02:12:25] <JamesEG> does anybody want to discuss something a little more useful? like the pros & cons of PROD?
[02:12:27] <comets> i prefer the wiki side of editing, not the shitty side ;)
[02:12:38] <comets> JamesEG, no pros, only cons
[02:12:38] <TParis> comets: It's less shitty without you
[02:13:02] <slakr> pros: less AfD backlog, cons: none.
[02:13:09] <JamesEG> comets and TParis, can you two please shut up about that one page?
[02:13:17] <comets> meh it was in deep shit with me and even deeper shit without me tp
[02:13:50] <TParis> Lol, you think quite highly of yourself - you could be an admin with that attitude
[02:14:14] <comets> i fail as an asshole to be an admin ..sorry
[02:14:44] <JamesEG> i disagree with the cons. I think that at least the length of time should be lengthed to two weeks.
[02:14:50] <comets> could not rise to ur level of douchebaggery ..i tried though..
[02:15:02] <RD> It has been extended a couple of times over the years, JamesEG
[02:15:04] <comets> u set a high standard ;)
[02:15:08] <TParis> Fail? Oh, no, sir - you're the epitome of assholeism. The rest of us should aspire to match your level. If only we can live in your glory.
[02:15:14] <RD> IIRC it was 5 days originally
[02:15:16] <comets> yeah 2 weeks surely....
[02:15:46] <slakr> JamesEG: if nobody--nobody--cares about an article's tag for 7 days (and/or any longer due to backlogs), and then an admin that drops by also doesn't care about it
[02:16:02] <slakr> I'm sorry, but it deserves to die
[02:16:05] <RD> (There were just 9 days worth of PROD backlogs)
[02:16:15] <slakr> it can be resurrected easily
[02:16:19] <slakr> --if someone ever cares.
[02:16:19] <TParis> Well, it's been fun, toolbag, but your assholism is blinding my eyes it's radiating so bright. I'll have to add you to my ignore list to save what's left.
[02:16:22] <RD> The articles they care so little about they don't even care to delete them.
[02:16:25] <RD> :P
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[02:16:34] <comets> epitome?, i'm not even in n00b level of assholery oh great jedi..
[02:16:37] <slakr> I mean
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[02:17:15] <RD> I'm going to quiet the next person who says anything inappropriate.
[02:17:17] <JamesEG> i guess i've never been so attached to a page as yet, so I don't really have any personal examples to consider
[02:17:21] <comets> as i said, i didn't see it...i don't edit enwiki as much as i used too
[02:18:16] <JamesEG> i guess we should form a committee to see what the minimum attention a notable page receives
[02:18:31] <slakr> there's lots of stuff that doesn't meet A7 by the letter
[02:18:34] <JamesEG> i.e. how much time lapses between views
[02:18:36] <comets> who would prod an article that was written by a 'retired' editor and then post it to their talk page? lol
[02:18:47] <slakr> (makes a reasonable claim to notability but isn't G11, for example)
[02:18:55] <slakr> but you can be 100% certain wouldn't survive AfD
[02:19:12] <slakr> it doens't need to sit around indefinitely, but SNOW deletion would anger people
[02:19:21] <slakr> so PROD.
[02:19:38] <comets> again Ryan, notability is there, so its best to just restore it...
[02:19:59] <slakr> it's basically for the people who read Wikipedia for Dummies and shake-and-bake an article that barely survives CSD.
[02:20:01] <RD> I reserve the right not to serve you.
[02:20:06] <RD> But any other admin will do it, surely.
[02:20:53] <JamesEG> i get that. it just seems presumptuous to claim that an article wouldn't survive AfD anyways, even if that were a correct assessment.
[02:21:03] <JamesEG> but i'm only arguing principles here.
[02:21:18] <comets> what admin?, no one has bothered to comment here thus far.
[02:21:22] <slakr> no, no
[02:21:24] <slakr> it's not presumptuous
[02:21:29] <comets> slakr, u still an admin or did u get bored? :P
[02:21:44] <slakr> because I close lots of afds
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[02:21:54] <slakr> :P
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[02:22:06] <slakr> and actually, I more relist them
[02:22:16] <slakr> frequently due to low turnout
[02:22:45] <comets> SNOW is fine for new articles, Prod isn't fine for old articles, they should list it in AFD
[02:23:02] <comets> at the very least, PROD is kinda useless eally.
[02:23:18] <slakr> article age doesn't really matter; before new page patrol was ramped up, lots of stuff slipped through
[02:23:31] <slakr> but yes, if it's an old article, even I'm more inclined to AfD
[02:24:11] <slakr> same goes with stuff before editfilter monitored moves from user->main space
[02:24:38] <slakr> an article could technically be "old" but not actually have been in mainspace, for example
[02:25:02] <comets> i think i created it in late 2006 or early 2007 :/
[02:25:21] <JamesEG> perhaps then not everybody should be entitled to nominate for a PROD. at this point i don't know enough about criteria, so i can't continue discussion. thanks slakr, anyways.
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[02:26:48] <slakr> prod doesn't as much need criteria as just a valid deletion rationale. Admins typically don't like deleting things blindly (and I won't even do so if the prod rationale isn't sane), granted, I haven't deleted any prods for years
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[02:27:44] <slakr> as much as some people like to think of admins as mindless, they really do care (or at least people like me do), because we don't want to have to deal with explaining shit after the fact :P
[02:28:17] <JamesEG> like what just happened you mean...
[02:28:27] <slakr> ?
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[02:28:43] <JamesEG> comets and TParis going at it
[02:29:03] <slakr> oh I was sorta ignoring that
[02:29:08] <comets> well the explanation i got from the deleting admin " I didn't even look at the article" and he still wouldn't restore :/
[02:29:10] <JamesEG> sorry about the name spam you two
[02:29:14] <TParis> Meh
[02:29:32] <slakr> when I saw "prod jimbo's article" I just eyerolled
[02:29:58] <TParis> Comets was just kind enough to demonstrate the kind of attitude you and I were discussing in the beginning.
[02:30:16] <TParis> Yeah, a PROD isn't an automatic delete and someone would remove it from Jimbo's article.
[02:30:20] <JamesEG> comets the admin admitted that he didn't look at it, which amounted to an apology
[02:30:42] <comets> and u demonstrated how silly admins on enwiki are...Ryan helped too ;)
[02:31:11] <JamesEG> you probably should've just moved on from that point and put a note on the talk page to remind him
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[02:31:55] <JamesEG> even if you or your page were wronged by the ordeal
[02:31:57] <comets> now FGS, can someone restore it :? i don't create articles on ppl who are "borderline" notable..ever :/
[02:32:01] <slakr> it's a decent support of my point, though: let's say nobody contested a prod on Jimbo's article. An admin would almost certainly not delete it anyway because that's just a pain in the ass to have to deal with the giant pain after the fact--because that's what the point of PROD is, non-controversial deletions, not "technically I can delete this." :P
[02:32:24] <slakr> it's not like admins are going around edging to delete things people can be assumed to get angry over deleting
[02:32:24] <slakr> lol
[02:32:41] <slakr> that's just trolls projecting their own motives onto them :P
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[02:33:21] <comets> its "non-controversial" if the article as created by a noob, if the admin had bothered to check the history, they would not have deleted it
[02:33:24] * JamesEG tugs at the reigns
[02:33:47] <comets> would any of u delete an article created by Jimbo?
[02:34:05] <slakr> and again, "deleted" isn't even a valid term for it, when you think about it.
[02:34:11] <comets> http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Daniel_Rae_Costello
[02:34:12] <Bsadowski1> Pricasso :D
[02:34:13] <comets> heh
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[02:34:27] <slakr> comets: depends how it gets to the point of deletion. If there's consensus at AfD, why wouldn't you?
[02:34:29] <Bsadowski1> comets, do you like Pricasso?
[02:35:22] <comets> if it gets to afd lol, what its some obscure article jimmy created a decade ago?
[02:35:45] <comets> Bsadowski1, yeah lol, his jimmy face is a masterpiece..
[02:36:27] <TParis> Bsadowski1: Who has ever stepped foot in Commons and isn't a pricasso fan? It's better than 99% of the rest of the images in that category.
[02:37:16] <JamesEG> Pricasso some inside joke? boo.
[02:37:23] <TParis> No, sadly, it's not
[02:37:46] <TParis> You'd think so the first time you heard the story, though, right?
[02:38:02] <comets> well some dicks are more talented than users here :/
[02:38:13] <JamesEG> it looks like it. prick+-asso
[02:38:50] <JamesEG> now i must know what this Pricasso is
[02:39:12] <JamesEG> oh, no, I mustn't!
[02:39:32] <JamesEG> why did i let you do that to me!
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[02:40:33] <TParis> haha
[02:43:03] <comets> 1 hour on....
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[02:58:10] <MJ94> Hiya
[02:58:15] <TParis> hey
[02:58:51] <JamesEG> so i'd never heard of Crusader Kings II until today
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[02:59:15] <JamesEG> and there's a linux version. booya.
[03:00:20] <MJ94> TParis: how are ya?
[03:00:35] <SigmaWP> James_F|Away: ???????
[03:00:39] <SigmaWP> er.
[03:00:43] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: ?????
[03:00:44] * DanielManhattan (~quassel@2.122.54.178) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[03:00:51] <SigmaWP> YOU'VE BEEN MISSING OUT ON SO MUCH GENOCIDE
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[03:00:56] <MJ94> SigmaWP: ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
[03:00:58] <SigmaWP> Also join the club https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/
[03:01:11] <TParis> Doing just fine, MJ94, how are you?
[03:01:51] <JamesEG> that reminds me of Invader Zim: “Galactic conquest is here!”
[03:02:20] <TParis> SigmaWP: Are you following the development of Star citizen?
[03:02:37] <SigmaWP> No
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[03:03:21] <TParis> Well that's unfortunate
[03:04:43] <SigmaWP> Yeah
[03:04:48] <SigmaWP> According to WP it looks pretty interesting
[03:05:09] <comets> i miss invader zim....
[03:05:43] <comets> especially gir..
[03:05:57] <TParis> Can I PM you some videos?
[03:06:30] <MJ94> TParis: Good. Trying to figure out if I have motivation to go work on a list or not.
[03:06:32] <JamesEG> these ones have peanuts and soap in them!
[03:06:42] <TParis> I never have motivation for a list
[03:08:14] <MJ94> TParis: Why not?
[03:08:26] <TParis> No interest in tedious work
[03:09:31] <TParis> Alright, time to get a rocket into orbit
[03:09:52] <TParis> Playing the KSP demo, can't seem to get into orbit
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[03:12:39] <JamesEG> you mean like SpaceX? heh heh heh.
[03:12:55] <TParis> haha
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[03:36:05] <MJ94> {Soap}: ping
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[03:41:32] <{Soap}> hi its me
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[03:54:23] <Cncmaster> My CVUA course is coming along. Still alot left though.
[03:54:49] <{Soap}> hi Ж
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[03:55:10] <Cncmaster> hey
[03:57:15] <Cncmaster> It's gonna end up at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cncmaster/AVA
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[03:58:13] <{Soap}> i hope you get people interested
[03:59:40] <Cncmaster> yeah, CVUA hasn't seen a lot of activity lately
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[04:07:24] <SuicidalZerg> Shit:
[04:07:24] <SuicidalZerg> [22:02] <MrBlack-Bot> <CSNinja> and glass
[04:07:27] <SuicidalZerg> er
[04:07:35] <SuicidalZerg> O_o why did it paste that...
[04:07:42] <SuicidalZerg> Anyways... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/16/201217/trim-and-linux-tread-cautiously-and-keep-backups-handy
[04:08:38] <SuicidalZerg> ...I'm planning on using a Samsung 850 evo, and the linux version of KODI for my media center... and this news does not make me particularly confident.
[04:09:07] <{Soap}> its been so long since i've been to Slashdot
[04:09:17] <{Soap}> its kind of good to see theyre still using the same old format
[04:09:25] <SuicidalZerg> heh
[04:09:34] <SuicidalZerg> Yeah, they tried a new format a little while back.
[04:09:40] <{Soap}> basically every other website thats been online 15+ years has a "new and improved" format that may or may not be acvtually improved
[04:09:41] <SuicidalZerg> It didn't go very well
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[04:10:51] <JamesEG> If i saw a can called Diesel Energy Drink, i'd expect a thicker flavor than mixed berries.
[04:12:46] <{Soap}> Diesel is an energy drink produced by Diesel Beverage Company in La Mesa, California. Diesel advertises that it provides high octane power with 6000 or 9000 horsepower and can be purchased in 16 cylinder or 24 cylinder sizes.
[04:12:47] <{Soap}> cute
[04:13:32] <{Soap}> did it make you as strong as 6000 horses?
[04:13:40] <{Soap}> oh wow that article is old
[04:13:50] <Cncmaster> Heart disease in a can. Wait...
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[04:16:16] <{Soap}> hopefully the "Red Bull didnt give me wings" lawsuit guy doesnt hear about them
[04:17:10] <comets> try libra :P
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[04:58:55] <TParis> I made it into orbit, yeah
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[05:03:03] <{Soap}> hi TP
[05:03:13] <{Soap}> you like Red Bull ?
[05:03:47] <TParis> meh, I'll drink it if I have to
[05:03:57] <{Soap}> oh i thought you were responding to the wings thing
[05:03:57] <{Soap}> ive only ever had one Red Bull in my life, when i was working like a 15 hour shift
[05:05:02] <TParis> Oh, no, I'm playing kerbal space program demo
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[05:10:43] <{Soap}> in all fairness the lawsuit was about that the only actual energy producing ingreident in Red Bull is caffeine
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[05:10:56] <{Soap}> therefore you could get all the effects witg just a bunch of coffees
[05:11:21] <{Soap}> or even like a 24 pack of Dr Pepper if you dont mind running to the bathroom every half hour
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[05:18:09] <comets> http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Donald-Trump-Danny-Zuker-Twitter-Feud-37846762 lovely LOL.
[05:19:43] <{Soap}> does any real American take Trump seriously as a politician?
[05:20:38] <unboxed> unfortunately I've encountered plenty that do
[05:21:07] <{Soap}> ok
[05:21:18] <{Soap}> still not enough to convince me to vote for Clinton of course
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[05:22:23] <comets> when it comes to politics, for ANY country, its not about the good or the bad (there is no good), its about the lesser evil ;)
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[05:24:06] <{Soap}> at least Trump is from NYC so all the rural conservatives can just be like "well he's not really one of us anyway"
[05:25:30] <{Soap}> is this really happening? Bush is leading the polls
[05:25:35] <{Soap}> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
[05:26:43] <{Soap}> i guess it'll save money on campaign signs
[05:27:08] <{Soap}> everyone go into your garage and dig out your old campaign signs from the 1990s
[05:27:34] <{Soap}> Doesnt matter which party you favor, the names are recycled either way
[05:29:42] <JamesEG> cthulhu for president 2016 http://www.cthulhu.org/
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[05:30:25] <{Soap}> oh nice they made an online calculator that shows the work done to derive the answer so now school students can cheat even better
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[05:30:34] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
[05:30:58] <JamesEG> bye joe
[05:31:07] <unboxed> bye person
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[05:37:30] <JamesEG> it would be hilarious if we could get a majority of the popular vote to write-in Cthulhu for 2016
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[05:38:16] <JamesEG> who knows, maybe the secret members of the Cult in the electoral college would then be obliged to cast their votes for Cthulhu
[05:38:25] <{Soap}> hey MJ94 i just realized you never followed up
[05:38:32] <{Soap}> i assume ig you needed help you got it
[05:38:35] <JamesEG> alas, i don't think the stars are aligned
[05:38:35] <{Soap}> sotty i wasnt fadter
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[05:39:02] <MJ94> Earlier? I was just saying hi :)
[05:39:24] <{Soap}> well ok cool
[05:39:38] <{Soap}> <MJ94> {Soap}: ping <--- just saying, that usually is used by people who need help
[05:39:59] <MJ94> Oh, I had a question
[05:40:04] <MJ94> Buuuut I forgot it
[05:40:10] <{Soap}> ok no problem
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[06:07:38] <{Soap}> whoa Portland Maine might be raising its minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. That a HUGE increase
[06:07:49] <{Soap}> no one expected that ]
[06:07:59] <{Soap}> from $7.50
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[06:10:54] <{Soap}> the Seattle of New England
[06:11:25] <{Soap}> The Portland City Council voted 6-3 Monday night to create a city minimum wage of $10.10 an hour on Jan. 1, increase it a year later, and tie future minimum wages to inflation.
[06:11:36] <{Soap}> The city council, which has the power to adopt the referendum proposal outright before it reaches voters, is widely expected to place the question on the ballot.
[06:12:15] <MJ94> goodnight
[06:12:15] <MJ94> {Soap}: if you reply to my PM I'll see it tomorrow
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[06:14:04] <{Soap}> sorry
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[06:14:25] <{Soap}> i didnt see a qustion
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[06:19:26] <{Soap}> Portland Maine is funny
[06:19:37] <MJ94> Goodnight for real this time.
[06:19:43] <{Soap}> i wish people from the rest of the country paid more attention to us
[06:19:48] <MJ94> AFK.
[06:19:55] <{Soap}> we're just like this forgotten little wasteland north of Boston
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[06:20:32] <{Soap}> i should pick up the boston globe and look for stories about Maine that arent just talking about how good the lobster catch is
[06:21:01] <{Soap}> far more interesting than NH or VT or basically any other New England state, i thnik, except possibly Massachusetts itself
[06:21:16] <{Soap}> except that Bernie Sanders is running for president
[06:21:26] <{Soap}> but hey I lived in Vermont too
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[06:24:02] * {Soap} if i post as "Soap" on the Portland Press Herald will i get quoted in the print edition?
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[06:30:42] <Cncmaster> Well, looks like Cluebot is down.
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[06:37:09] <{Soap}> so many bots
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[06:45:11] <{Soap}> wow its late
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[07:02:24] <{soap|bed}> Ellen Pao, the interim CEO of popular online message board Reddit, apologized to users Monday for "a long history of mistakes" as a petition calling for her ouster gained signatures.
[07:03:32] <Jeske_Couriano> Ellen Pao is mainly being targeted because she's female.
[07:03:45] <Jeske_Couriano> Reddit houses a LOT of GamerGate dregs.
[07:05:06] <Cncmaster> I can't stand Reddit. Too many cancerous individuals in one area.
[07:05:21] <Cncmaster> Just my opinion.
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[07:13:07] <{soap|bed}> i stand by whaty i said before, ie.. that reddit isso huge that theres no stereotype
[07:13:18] <{soap|bed}> there's no "tyipical redditor" anymore
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[07:24:49] <SigmaWP> Jeske_Couriano: Ellen Pao is mainly being targeted because she's female and Asian
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[07:41:57] <{soap|bed}> whoa
[07:42:14] <{soap|bed}> Prior to his marriage to Ellen Pao, Buddy Fletcher was in a same-sex relationship with Hobart V. "Bo" Fowlkes, Jr. for more than 10 years.
[07:42:22] <{soap|bed}> *that* doesnt happen very often
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[09:16:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} you havent heard of bisexuals?
[09:16:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they kinda existed for quite some time
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[12:49:10] <RD> comets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rjd0060#Deletion_of_Toms_.28cartoonist.29 Is one proper way to request an undeletion per PROD. Now, is your article restored yet or do you still need it done?
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[12:53:40] <comets> i got it restored by a sysop who knows his job..
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[13:56:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> North Korea recenlty opened a new terminal building at Pyongyang’s international airport, underscoring an effort to attract more tourists and to spruce up the country ahead of a celebration of a major anniversary of the founding of its ruling party in October.
[13:56:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wow.
[13:57:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we should hold a wikimania there, its not like anyone else would be using it.
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[14:00:51] <slakr> yeah
[14:01:45] <slakr> let's host a Wikimania (an event for the encyclopedia anyone can edit) in North Korea
[14:01:51] <slakr> brilliant :P
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[14:04:49] <NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: do we need to arrive by hot air balloon ?
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[14:04:52] * NotASpy hopes people get that reference
[14:06:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I was thinking of using the hover aircraft carrier of the foundation
[14:06:49] <NotASpy> don't you recall Jimbo telling people to tie USB sticks loaded with Wikipedia onto balloons and float them towards North Korea ?
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[14:08:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy oh? no I do not. :(
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[14:08:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I fail as a jimbo fanboi probably for that
[14:09:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy why not carpet bomb north korea with the archive of ANB/i ?
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[14:44:05] <git> i've had this computer for ~2.5 weeks and i still haven't installed flash because i've not needed it
[14:44:09] <git> this makes me so happy
[14:45:39] <slakr> [we're sorry, this ad requires the latest Flash version installed in order to play]
[14:45:42] <slakr> "damn."
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[14:48:09] <bluss> we have WP:Peer review, but do we have a better place to ask for fact checking help? Topic is CS theory/algorithms [[Heap's algorithm]]
[14:49:30] <GorillaWarfare> There's a CS WikiProject, I believe
[14:49:37] <GorillaWarfare> Though I'm not sure how active it is
[14:50:15] <GorillaWarfare> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing
[14:51:05] <GorillaWarfare> Looks pretty dead though..
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[14:51:55] <{soap|bed}> hi
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[14:52:03] <{soap|bed}> honestly? give us a try. I mean, here , this chat room
[14:52:08] <{soap|bed}> maybe we cant help but it cant hurt right?
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[14:52:20] <{soap|bed}> unless your qyestion is so long and complex that it would take an entire screen to type out
[14:52:36] <{soap|bed}> in which case i'd say youre probably better off posting on Refdesk
[14:52:56] <{soap|bed}> while not strictly a Refdesk question, the people there are likely to be able to help
[14:55:14] <{soap|bed}> Average IQ over there is quite high
[14:55:30] <{soap|bed}> possibly even over 100
[14:56:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IQ is an antiquated measure
[14:56:27] <bluss> GorillaWarfare: I'll try
[14:56:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> By my IQ I must be a genious, but really I struggle with those medicine bottles just like everyone else.
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[14:57:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I heard albert einstein failed with his medicine bottles too
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[15:01:13] <git> ToAruShiroiNeko: target pharmacy has the best bottles ever
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[15:01:34] <git> none of that press and turn shit. squeeze the tabs on the side and twist
[15:03:06] <IDoH> <ToAruShiroiNeko> [10:56:25] IQ is an antiquated measure <----I've had my IQ tested multiple times, and I agree with this.
[15:03:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git the nearest target to me is probably 3000 miles away
[15:03:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> supermarket pharmacies are illegal here I think
[15:04:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH I think they existed to primarily to determine "stupid" so that they can be send to special schools
[15:04:25] <git> oh.
[15:04:29] <git> that would definitely be a problem
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[15:04:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9xEVo954g
[15:05:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this kind of puts such tests in a negative light indirectly I imagine
[15:05:14] <IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Right. And they don't even pick up on a lot of cognitive issues anyways (executive dysfunction, etc.)
[15:05:17] <{soap|bed}> i heard that someone invented the target Rx bottle and patented it
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[15:05:29] <git> yeah
[15:05:36] <git> the design is patented
[15:05:42] <git> it's a damn good design too
[15:05:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is?
[15:05:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> best design is if it has a puzzle before you can open it
[15:06:19] <git> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClearRx
[15:07:09] <{soap|bed}> "designed by design student" that wording could be probably reworked
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[15:07:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> designed by former design student
[15:08:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> better? :p
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[15:11:03] <git> http://static.targetimg1.com/2015/REFRESH/Pharmacy/images/011314_phrmcy_clrrx_hero_oc_slot1.jpg
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[15:12:26] <git> and after you fill like five prescriptions i think, you get a 5% off coupon good for an entire trip
[15:13:14] <git> ... which is about a month of prescriptions for me
[15:13:47] <{soap|bed}> theyre still calling their customers "guests", I see
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[15:16:21] <Bsadowski1> https://www.consumeraffairs.com/retail/target_stores.htm
[15:16:22] <Bsadowski1> lol
[15:18:01] <git> people aren't going to write a review about target if they're happy
[15:18:13] <Bsadowski1> "Not only was our personal (email) and bank security compromised and jeopardized but when I called to explain this situation to customer service I was made to feel as if I was somehow in the wrong, and honestly felt mocked and not taken seriously"
[15:18:35] <Bsadowski1> Well, maybe if you had a better password
[15:18:39] <Bsadowski1> <_<
[15:18:42] <Bsadowski1> Just saying
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[15:21:40] <{soap|bed}> Target averages 1 star
[15:22:09] <{soap|bed}> Target Stores does NOT participate in the ConsumerAffairs accreditation program. Learn More
[15:22:27] <{soap|bed}> i think i mightve read about that
[15:22:58] <{soap|bed}> there was some thing where they were accusing the Consumer Affairs bureau of bribing them to raise the ratinh, and that it wasnt based on consumer complains after all. I could be thinking of some other company though
[15:23:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git I am familiar with target though
[15:23:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> They use AI after all
[15:23:30] <{soap|bed}> i'll give Target a chance
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[15:23:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
[15:24:12] <{soap|bed}> yeah it must be something else. Walmart also doesnt participate and their ranking is just a teeny tiny bit higher
[15:24:25] <{soap|bed}> it looks likje walmart gets 1.2 out of 5 stars
[15:24:59] <{soap|bed}> walgreens gets 1.02 stars
[15:25:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont understand why people are upset that their shopping habbits are analysed
[15:25:30] <{soap|bed}> Citgo gets 1.05 stars. Boy, they really dont like anybody in retail
[15:26:02] <{soap|bed}> Walgreens says "yeah baby 1.02 stars!! One out of every 50 customers actually likes shopping here!!"
[15:26:29] <git> {soap|bed}: they won't write a review after a normal shopping trip
[15:26:36] <git> only if something was exceptionally good or bad
[15:28:34] <{soap|bed}> whaoaoaoaoao Trader Joe's gets an entire 1.6 stars. Theyre moving up
[15:28:50] <{soap|bed}> only 88% of their customers hate them
[15:29:15] <{soap|bed}> Whole Foods 1.2
[15:29:32] <{soap|bed}> and, yea, i totally agree with you
[15:29:38] <topaz> sounds like one of those things where the only people who bother voting are people who have a beef against the company
[15:29:44] <{soap|bed}> no one goes to a complaints site to say how wonderful their cashier was
[15:29:46] <topaz> or, what git said
[15:30:27] <{soap|bed}> Also, not a single one of the companies I've looked at so far actually participates in their program
[15:31:38] <{soap|bed}> im getting more cynical every minute. is this even real? They have an ISP listed as "Earthlink Billing Problems", as though thats actually the name of the company
[15:32:07] <{soap|bed}> i do hope this is not actually a gov't agency
[15:33:43] <TheMesquito> Earthlink is a real ISP
[15:33:53] <{soap|bed}> i know
[15:34:02] <{soap|bed}> it would be cool of them to actually identify them as EarthLink
[15:34:17] <{soap|bed}> but no, they refer to the company only as "Earthlink Billing Problems"
[15:34:47] <{soap|bed}> "Earthlink Billing Problems does NOT participate in the ConsumerAffairs accreditation program."
[15:35:06] <{soap|bed}> i wonder if ConsumerAffairs has a report on itself
[15:35:21] <TheMesquito> "FBI agents and Indiana State Police are at the home of Subway restaurant spokesman Jared Fogle and have removed electronics from the property."
[15:35:27] <TheMesquito> Oh lordy
[15:35:41] <{soap|bed}> oh yeah i sort of browsed past that headline while reading the news
[15:35:50] <{soap|bed}> promising i'd google it later
[15:35:52] <{soap|bed}> thanks for reminding me
[15:36:45] <TheMesquito> Normaly, when the FBI does that, it means CP, that is what happend at my dads work a year or so ago
[15:36:46] <{soap|bed}> ah OK it seems he might be OK
[15:37:08] <{soap|bed}> he's just being investiagted as a possible accomplic in child porn, not the distributor or posessor or anything
[15:37:37] <{soap|bed}> i.e. "you knew this guy had porn, he was your employee, why didnt you do something?"
[15:37:42] <{soap|bed}> we'll see though
[15:38:03] <TheMesquito> Ag
[15:38:06] <TheMesquito> Ah
[15:38:13] <TheMesquito> I see now
[15:38:16] <TheMesquito> "The artical doesn't say any child porn was found in his possession, this is just a counter measure because the director of the Jared Foundation was found to be in possession of child porn."
[15:38:19] <{soap|bed}> i dunno why, if he was guilty, he would just sit back and let it happen after the other guy got put in jail
[15:38:56] <{soap|bed}> so even if he did somehow have child porn of his own I imagine if he's smart it's gone without a trace now
[15:39:00] <git> some pizza place here got raided not too long ago
[15:39:09] <git> apparently they were shipping guns to lebanon
[15:39:13] <git> a lot
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[15:47:22] <{soap|bed}> i still think of the town in Maine whenever I see the name Lebanon
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[15:49:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.thelocal.no/20150706/norway-police-shot-guns-twice-in-2014
[15:49:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> woha
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[15:55:43] <Bsadowski1> Wow
[15:55:53] <Bsadowski1> Lol
[15:56:15] <Bsadowski1> And just look at how many police killings the US has each year (and some are unreported also)
[15:56:36] <Bsadowski1> It sickens me that they can also get away with it here
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[15:58:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 police dont shoot because they enjoy it
[15:58:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they are genuinely scared
[15:58:54] <Bsadowski1> I know.
[15:59:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and in the US why shouldnt they be?
[15:59:07] <Bsadowski1> You think so, even if the target is unarmed?
[15:59:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> People walk around with semi-automatic AR-15s
[15:59:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 I am not aproving of it. But there is an effect of stress
[15:59:34] <Bsadowski1> I am talking about killings where the target is unarmed, ToAruShiroiNeko.
[15:59:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this does not excuse the behaviour naturally
[16:00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but if there were less guns there would be fewer problems with guns
[16:00:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a cop firing a gun would be news then
[16:01:20] <{soap|bed}> Norway has a high per capita gun ownership. 10th in the world, about 1/3 of America
[16:01:34] <{soap|bed}> but, i suspect, many more rifles and less handguns
[16:01:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its the type of firearm
[16:01:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if its locked in a cabinet at a gun range, I am not too worried
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[16:02:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if the gun itself is for hunting (hence a capacity of say 5) again I am not too worried
[16:02:14] <{soap|bed}> parts of Norway supposedly you are supposed to always have a gun with you because of the bears. Granted, I know Norway isnt 100% wilderness,. its probably not even 20% wildernessm, buit those areas still do excist
[16:02:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} russians too
[16:02:28] <topaz> Alaska too.
[16:02:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> again russians
[16:02:45] <{soap|bed}> Russia's gun ownership would probably be high if it werent for the USSR
[16:02:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I meant against russians
[16:03:00] <{soap|bed}> as it is theyre merely 66th in the world
[16:03:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> alaska is the only state that can genuinely claim guns are needed for defence
[16:03:13] <{soap|bed}> oh. ha. Russians trying to sneak into Norway? I s'pose, why not
[16:03:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} its communism, government owns your gun
[16:03:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} they do it with subs lately
[16:03:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whom have a crew that wet their pants probably
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[16:03:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do you know what it feels like to dodge depth charges?
[16:04:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> especially if the enemy knows EXACTLY where you are and is toying with you
[16:05:59] <{soap|bed}> ireland seems to have the lowest per capita gun ownership in Western Europe
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[16:06:13] <{soap|bed}> probably not much hunting to do over there
[16:06:47] <{soap|bed}> Only 26 land mammal species are native to Ireland, because it has been isolated from the European mainland, caused by rising sea levels after the Midlandian Ice Age, since about 14,000 BC.
[16:06:53] <{soap|bed}> and most of them are tiny
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[16:07:49] <{soap|bed}> they barely even have rabbits
[16:08:22] <TheMesquito> ToAruShiroiNeko: About the Alaska thing, you obvusaly have never been in the backwoods of Texas, always having a gun there is a nesisity also, unless you like being killed by bears or moutian lions
[16:09:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TheMesquito you misunderstand
[16:09:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I meant for human invasions
[16:09:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> against
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[16:09:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mexico wont invade texas
[16:09:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they'd strictly attack the alamo probably
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[16:10:55] <{soap|bed}> Texas is roughly half Mexican anyway
[16:11:10] <{soap|bed}> theres a lot of families split by tbe border
[16:12:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.thelocal.no/20150602/snowden-could-come-to-norway-to-collect-prize
[16:12:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} I dont think those mexicans are an expeditionary force
[16:12:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as much as republicans want us to believe
[16:13:26] <{soap|bed}> has mexico even fought a war since 1848?
[16:13:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I forgot the name of Donald Trump so I just googled for toupe :3
[16:13:46] <{soap|bed}> aside from suppressing a couple of rebellions within their own territory that is
[16:14:56] <{soap|bed}> OK apparently they have, but only very marginally. Honestly, Mexico's in a good location to build a stable country
[16:16:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} most countries kinda avoid war
[16:16:10] <{soap|bed}> basically the only war fought by Mexico since 1848 besides civil uprisings and int'l wars such as WW2 is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93Guatemala_conflict
[16:16:24] <{soap|bed}> and the number of casualties in that war?
[16:16:31] <{soap|bed}> 3
[16:16:38] <{soap|bed}> well, 3 deaths. 14 wounded
[16:17:32] <sleighbells> are they done with summer of monuments
[16:17:45] <sleighbells> for some reason I thought they would have it again this summer
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[16:25:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so trump has a good chance of being a runner up
[16:28:34] <NotASpy> yes, being 1 winner and everybody else being runners up.
[16:29:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I would welcome a Trump presidency
[16:29:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we would have so many wars with canada
[16:29:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Now I am curious though if he would rename everything.
[16:29:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trum Avenue, Trumpmobile, Trump Force One...
[16:30:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh! White Trump Residence
[16:30:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trumpoilet
[16:30:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trump of the Union
[16:31:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> soo many renamings
[16:31:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we would need an agency for it
[16:31:28] <marktraceur> He'd make Trump Speeches on the campaign trail
[16:31:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or a department... Hmm "Department of Trump"
[16:31:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> marktraceur isnt it amazing? Comedy gold
[16:31:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> world would be a sad place probably
[16:31:52] <marktraceur> ToAruShiroiNeko: His campaign literature would be Trump Cards
[16:32:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> booo
[16:32:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
[16:32:32] <marktraceur> He'd start a new Education Tax program and it'd be called TrumpET
[16:33:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he wouldnt ban education?
[16:33:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I expect him to illegalise reading
[16:33:36] <marktraceur> No, he'd just privatize it, and use media to encourage reading
[16:33:39] <marktraceur> Trumping Rainbow
[16:33:40] <Qcoder00> And if you object , Trumped-up cjharges?
[16:33:49] <Qcoder00> Sorry
[16:33:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trumbow
[16:34:28] <marktraceur> They'd haul in a whole load of ducks for the White House Christmas dinner.
[16:34:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> UN would probably be moved to canada, pysically
[16:34:33] <marktraceur> Trump Duck Dump Truuck.
[16:34:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> marktraceur his name is Donald
[16:35:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am offended that you didnt epxloit it :p
[16:35:28] <marktraceur> (Tr|D)ump (Tr|D)uck
[16:35:31] <marktraceur> Is the joke.
[16:35:44] <marktraceur> I hope it's starting to Don on you.
[16:36:13] <marktraceur> Though his name, comedically, will definitely start toupée off.
[16:36:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I seriously googled toupe today becayse I forgot his name, then his photo reminded me it
[16:37:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trumpee :D
[16:37:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think if elected he will be the first toupe president
[16:37:54] <marktraceur> As a person widely known for saying the words "You're fired", he may not be the best person to give addresses to the nation when California is burning
[16:38:13] <marktraceur> Which it kinda does every month or so
[16:38:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think he is fired too
[16:38:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> fired up
[16:38:25] <marktraceur> Beat me to it.
[16:38:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is he fired up or fried up?
[16:39:01] <marktraceur> On the plus side, he has a good defense plan.
[16:39:08] <marktraceur> He just needs to make other countries Miss USA
[16:40:21] <marktraceur> missile defense plan* I guess.
[16:41:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt he be unable to use computers
[16:41:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> due to the accumilated static electricy?
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[16:42:18] <{soap|bed}> the new android software update says "listening to music at a louyd volume may damage your hearing" and turns the volume bar orange if you go more than 2/3 of the way
[16:42:43] <marktraceur> {soap|bed}: Yeah, it's annoying
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[17:14:28] <{soap|bed}> Trump is claiming to have invented the word [[symblematic]]
[17:14:35] <{soap|bed}> but i had it first
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[17:24:02] <{soap|bed}> ZZDoes anytone here pronounce UFO as 2 syllables? Just curious
[17:24:32] <kelapstick> You-Fo?
[17:24:40] <{soap|bed}> for some reason i always assumed it was a trait of New York City dialect
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[17:25:03] <{soap|bed}> i remember it was used in Archie Comics once, which is based in the NYC area
[17:25:08] <{soap|bed}> yeah
[17:25:16] <{soap|bed}> itd be /jufo/ in IPA
[17:25:30] <{soap|bed}> i know a lot of Euripean languages do it
[17:25:35] <{soap|bed}> but in person in English Ive only ever heard it spelled out as U F O
[17:25:53] <kelapstick> same here, except when referring to a Ufologist
[17:26:34] <TheMesquito> Well, its an acronym, so it should be speeled out
[17:26:46] <TheMesquito> spelled even
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[17:28:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} it seems to be in japanese that way too
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[17:28:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You-Fo sounds more japanese than english
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[17:28:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Did you know eleven out of ten UFO cases results with an abduction.
[17:29:26] <NotASpy> that's a claim we should probe.
[17:29:37] <{soap|bed}> ohj awesome
[17:30:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy sure
[17:30:05] <{soap|bed}> see this is why I looooove Chinese even though i dont speak it
[17:30:17] <{soap|bed}> Chinese for UFO is 幽浮. What does it mean? Its a compound of "mysterious, hidden" and "to float". i.e. mysterious floating object
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[17:30:31] <{soap|bed}> how do you pronounce it? yōufú
[17:31:13] <{soap|bed}> so it's perfect. One might even confuse it for a native Chinese word
[17:31:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} chinese dont have a special character for UFO?
[17:32:05] <{soap|bed}> it does seem though that htey also use the rather less elegant 不明飞行物 , which is pronounced "bùmíng fēixíngwù"
[17:32:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why not U+1F47D ?
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[17:32:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 飞_飞
[17:32:32] <{soap|bed}> "reserved code point"
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[17:32:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f47d/index.htm ?
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[17:33:09] <{soap|bed}> surprised the's no spaceship emoji
[17:33:16] <{soap|bed}> there's a rocket, thats the closest we get
[17:33:26] <{soap|bed}> oh
[17:33:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they want to make it ambigious you know
[17:33:34] <{soap|bed}> i hadnt thought to look for an emoji of an actual alien
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[17:34:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the only space ship we have is soyuz and chineze knock-ff atm
[17:34:18] <{soap|bed}> 👽
[17:34:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 👽_👽
[17:34:25] <{soap|bed}> odd that it isnt in my unicode lookup program
[17:34:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 👽👽👽
[17:34:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽
[17:34:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wheeee
[17:34:50] <NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: there's that spy baby shuttle thingy, the Xthing
[17:35:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> none of those have an actual crew
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[18:10:56] <darev> Hello!
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[18:30:34] <CyanoTex> CYDIA
[18:30:36] <CyanoTex> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/36/ScreenshotofCydia.jpg/320px-ScreenshotofCydia.jpg
[18:30:47] <foks> wut
[18:31:34] <CyanoTex> Ah, man, I remember using Cydia when I had an iPod Touch 2nd generation.
[18:31:54] <CyanoTex> Shame it's fate was cruel: Subjected to a washing when I didn't notice that it was in my pants.
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[18:32:11] <CyanoTex> Maybe it was for the best.
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[18:35:41] <{soap|bed}> when you wash an iPod touch, does it shrink into an iPod Nano?
[18:36:39] <git> yes
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[18:37:32] <ZeroSerenity> I think I might need a semi-protection. Can I get a second opinion first? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Sterling&action=history
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[18:40:45] <git> perhaps you should consider discussing it with the editor
[18:40:52] <git> rather than edit warring
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[18:42:38] <{soap|bed}> Due to the perceived extreme low quality of the games on Steam Greenlight, Sterling has been highly critical of the service's handling by Valve, asserting that the service is in dire need of quality control. <--hmm
[18:42:46] <{soap|bed}> i thoguht Greenlight was difficult to get and the games were top notch
[18:42:53] <ZeroSerenity> Ha!
[18:43:00] <{soap|bed}> did it change or was i wrong from the beginning?>
[18:43:25] <ZeroSerenity> Latter.
[18:43:31] <{soap|bed}> ok
[18:43:39] <{soap|bed}> well i must have only seen the best of the Greenlight games then
[18:43:50] <{soap|bed}> e.g. S\hovel Knight
[18:43:56] <git> no, it changed
[18:43:58] <{soap|bed}> Shovel Knight was good, right? pretty much we can all agree?
[18:44:12] <{soap|bed}> I mean, those of us that play platform games anyway
[18:44:19] <{soap|bed}> gah
[18:44:20] <git> at first you had to apply to be in it, i think
[18:44:26] <{soap|bed}> Shovel Knight wasnt even a Greenlight game, nebermind
[18:44:33] <git> now anyone who pays $100 can get on greenlight
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[18:46:35] <{soap|bed}> well OK
[18:46:56] <{soap|bed}> Five Nights at Freddy's was Greenlight. THAT game was surely a success we can all agree on even if it isnt the type of hgame we play
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[18:49:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hgame?
[18:49:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wait what?
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[20:38:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> can someone point me in the direction of our backlogs?
[20:38:53] <foks> http://en.wikipedia.org
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[20:40:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks for that specific example I would give you a barn star but I am more likely to throw it at you at great speed.
[20:40:40] <KimiNewt> barn shuriken
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[20:41:49] <foks> ToAruShiroiNeko, :D
[20:41:57] <foks> it's backlogs all the way down
[20:42:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no I seriously want to get quick statistics
[20:45:36] <foks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BACKLOG
[20:45:39] <foks> or something
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[21:00:08] <Iaaasi> I'd like to make an unban request, can an admin please restore my access to my talk page?
[21:00:59] <git> they probably have an email address listed
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[21:01:17] <git> http://enwp.org/WP:BASC i think
[21:02:08] <Iaaasi> git I already sent an e-mail on 10 Junw, but I did not get any verdict so far
[21:02:22] <Iaaasi> 10 June*
[21:02:49] <Iaaasi> I wonder why these requests are analyzed so slow
[21:03:17] <git> you're banned
[21:03:22] <git> you're not allowed to edit
[21:03:25] <git> at all
[21:04:13] <Iaaasi> git I don't understand your remark
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[21:05:00] <Anna_Frodesiak> could someone please check flickr for a free image for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bree_Newsome
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[21:05:27] <Iaaasi> git I know that I can't edit at all, that is why I request the restoration of my access to my talk page
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[21:05:57] <kelapstick> nothing Anna_Frodesiak
[21:06:12] <Anna_Frodesiak> ah, pity. thanks for checking. i'll see if i can write to her
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[21:09:21] <Iaaasi> I just want to inform everybody that Norden1990 was unblocked despite socking 2 days before his unblock request (if anybody cares)
[21:09:29] <git> it says it takes about six weeks to process
[21:09:32] <Anna_Frodesiak> done
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[21:12:32] <git> a year and two days, dear.
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[21:17:23] <Qcoder00> Iassi: wait
[21:17:50] <Qcoder00> And "OTHER PEOPLE DID STUFF" is not an unblock request
[21:19:48] <Iaaasi> Qcoder00> what do you mean?
[21:20:07] <Iaaasi> there are 2 different independent subjects
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[21:35:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ban_Appeals_Subcommittee?
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[21:35:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Is there a sub sub comittee?
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[22:29:32] <Raymie> Can someone tell me if this would be deleted or kept at AfD? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Hermosillo
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Session Start: Tue Jul 07 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[00:00:48] <JamesEG> this is the kind of label that just plasters pictures of girls on the covers
[00:01:30] <comets> XD
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[00:03:57] <JamesEG> should i upload a smaller picture of the guy?
[00:04:53] <comets> lol ur choice
[00:05:29] <JamesEG> goodbye, ==Personal life==
[00:06:01] <JamesEG> nothing there pertains to the music
[00:08:14] <JamesEG> ZeroSerenity that's an interesting choice for the wedding. what's that style? can't put my finger on it
[00:08:43] <ZeroSerenity> Lolita.
[00:08:53] <JamesEG> yeah, that's it
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[00:28:27] <JamesEG> that fijian newspaper looks like a heavy promotional piece, too. probably eager to call attention to a local
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[00:47:45] <SamB_7> hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Intel_old_logo.svg is marked as non-free, but https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Intel_Logo.svg depicts the same logo and has been there for ages
[00:48:19] <foks> it's also an SVG
[00:48:31] <foks> which means it's not low-res, which means it needs deleted
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[00:48:36] <foks> though I think it's PD-text?
[00:49:37] <comets> yeah JamesEG, you should cull the article atleast ..the links that say he is a top dj on reverbnation is utter bull :/
[00:49:48] <SamB_7> foks: something of that ilk certainly seems to apply, yes
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[00:50:03] <foks> one would thing
[00:50:04] <JamesEG> workin' it comets
[00:50:05] <foks> * think
[00:50:07] <SamB_7> I mean, they've got it tagged appropriate at Commons already ...
[00:50:12] <comets> :D
[00:50:51] <SamB_7> the main difference is that the local copy has the R-in-circle mak
[00:50:53] <SamB_7> er. mark
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[01:04:24] <JamesEG> not that i care much for the ephemeral music charts on reverbnation, but if that Disk Jockey was among the top 10 in june, he's not even in the top 100 now.
[01:05:41] <comets> or ever was..its not like anyone who was reviewing the article would have clicked the link
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[01:07:36] <JamesEG> i think DJs are like rappers. it doesn't take much skill, so everybody thinks they can do it, flood it, and then you never notice any real quality anymore
[01:07:57] <JamesEG> no, i mean it doesn't take much skill to do the basics.
[01:08:49] <JamesEG> but i guess there's a lot of vapid market for the stuff, compared to many other things that also don't take much skill to start upon.
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[01:10:29] <JamesEG> on a slight tangent, someone should probably go through and look for citations with ReverbNation as the primary reference
[01:13:54] <comets> yes..someone...............................else. :P
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[01:14:53] <comets> i once made a DJ Song or remix as its known, i don't claim myself as DJ Comets ...........................yet O_O
[01:15:38] <comets> that would be a cool DJ name though :D
[01:15:39] <JamesEG> put your hands together for Deeee Jaaaayy Comets! *crickets chirp*
[01:15:56] <JamesEG> i think i saw that one already
[01:16:15] <comets> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :'(
[01:16:16] <JamesEG> you'd need to spell it stylishly
[01:16:34] <comets> DJ Cometstylez ? :P
[01:16:36] <JamesEG> <0^^3tz
[01:17:03] <JamesEG> or that
[01:17:19] <JamesEG> you master builder, you
[01:18:58] <comets> :D
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[01:27:17] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
[01:27:24] <JamesEG> man, so i wonder if i should remove a passage which is rather deprecating, in line with my other cuts, or just leave it in XP
[01:27:36] <JamesEG> X-P
[01:27:42] <JamesEG> hi Ponto
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[01:28:07] <JamesEG> Pontoriero?
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[01:29:01] <PontoCom_BR> JamesEG: hi.
[01:30:04] <comets> the article seems untouched ... O_O
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[01:32:56] <JamesEG> i just finished.
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[01:36:16] <greeter> anyone else unable to load images on the english wikipedia?
[01:36:27] <comets> nice.... looks like a normal article now ..too much fluff before
[01:36:56] <JamesEG> it was written by that guy, or with material handed from him, you were right
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[01:40:45] <comets> i think the creator works for the production house
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[01:42:03] <comets> great and RD actually deleted an article of mine of a "noted" local musician, not this fake shit :/
[01:42:40] <JamesEG> oeh noeses!
[01:42:41] <RD> It was just a PROD. Request undeletion or don't.
[01:42:49] <comets> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22daniel+rae+costello%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[01:43:15] <comets> he is infact the ONLY known international Fijian musician :/
[01:43:37] <JamesEG> flatlists look odd in infoboxes
[01:43:39] <RD> Well, the article was PRODed for a week and nobody cared.
[01:43:57] <comets> i didn't know.. and whoever proded it was a idiot.
[01:44:05] <comets> the deleter, even bigger :/
[01:44:54] <JamesEG> if i was deleted tommorrow, would you still Talk: for me?
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[01:45:39] <JamesEG> I'm as free as a byte now
[01:47:24] <comets> wjy request undeletion of an article that should not have been deleted in the first place? it was well sourced as well..i believe it was also my first article on the wiki....
[01:48:55] <JamesEG> i'm curious as to why there is a separate procedure for AfD and PROD?
[01:49:04] <comets> any admin willing to restore? [[Daniel Rae Costello]] ?
[01:49:38] <JamesEG> if it takes 7 days for a PROD to follow-through, why not have one AfD, and if in 7 days there is no contention, then proceed to delete?
[01:49:58] <comets> PROD is a dumb thing, its the fastest way to get something deleted without anyone realizing it..wikipedia should get RID of it.
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[01:50:35] <comets> afd's create discussions, prod rarely do.
[01:51:43] <JamesEG> in my mind it should all be the same, because it is.
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[01:53:39] <JamesEG> Wikipedia is full of know-it-alls who bully the rest of them. I mean, yes I come off as arrogant too, but that's only the internet effect.
[01:53:46] <comets> go delete [[DJ Ritendra]], its as notable as my village grog band.
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[01:55:11] <comets> lemme rephrase, so any admin "with balls" willing to restore? [[Daniel Rae Costello]] ?
[01:55:19] <TParis> JamesEG: Well, what kind of fun would the internet be?
[01:55:34] <TParis> comets: Better luck getting it userfied.
[01:55:47] <JamesEG> a land of lollypops and marshmallow trees!
[01:55:52] <TParis> pfft
[01:55:59] <TParis> I don't like marshmallows
[01:56:22] <TParis> But to be honest, it's a mix of the internet effect and misperceptions as well.
[01:56:23] <JamesEG> and disturbingly eroticized ponys!
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[01:56:29] <TParis> Yes, people are bigger jerks when they are anonymous.
[01:56:44] <TParis> But to add to that, is the perception that people who don't agree with you must be being rude and uncivil.
[01:56:47] <comets> nah, ppl with powahs the the biggest.
[01:56:51] <comets> are*
[01:56:59] <JamesEG> did Penny Arcade guys really first come up with that?
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[01:57:10] <TParis> I dont know what Penny Arcade is
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[01:57:37] <TParis> So it's a mix of people being jerks, and other people seeing jerkishness where none exists
[01:57:39] <JamesEG> anyways, that's all true TP, but i did have an argument with some ops in here once
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[01:58:02] <JamesEG> and I honestly tell you that they refused to see it rationally
[01:58:07] * JamesEG shrugs
[01:58:09] <TParis> Well, I think the thing about "powah" corrupting is that people hate explaining themselves 100x and everyone wants a personalized explanation.
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[01:58:36] <TParis> People with "powah" lose patience because there are an infinite number of other people who don't drop the stick
[01:58:43] <JamesEG> good point. they should tell you to read the FAQ
[01:59:10] <TParis> Or, we should know when, collectively, enough is enough and give people space instead of pushing people until they break
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[02:00:01] <TParis> The problem is that most people don't realize that we all have a level of "powah" whether it comes from the tools, knowledge, reputation, etc.
[02:00:10] <TParis> And everyone wants to exert their "powah"
[02:00:29] <comets> so no admins with balls?..good to know..nothing has changed in 6 years..
[02:00:41] <JamesEG> we should all just be more like Ned Flanders
[02:00:42] <TParis> comets: Or no admins that give a flying fuck
[02:00:49] <TParis> about your band
[02:01:03] <TParis> I don't know any admin that wouldn't "have the balls" to restore an article
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[02:01:07] <JamesEG> i don't think the band was comets
[02:01:31] <TParis> w/e
[02:01:57] <TParis> This is what I mean, though, JamesEG. comets wants to be a giant dick - and then complain that admins with "powah" are the real dicks
[02:02:20] <TParis> He's forever complain about those with "powah" and never look himself in the mirror
[02:02:21] <comets> nah he missed the main part, a douchebag deleted the article of the "most" reknowned" musician in the Pacific since the 80's ... *facepalm*
[02:02:58] <JamesEG> i don't want to get between any problems you guys have with eachother
[02:03:20] <comets> if admins did their "job" instead of blindly deleting stuff, we wouldn't have this problem..
[02:03:50] <TParis> It's not a job, they don't get paid. And they'd have to get paid to put up with your attitude.
[02:04:16] <TParis> If you want to be a jerk, don't be surprised if no one is leaping to your assistance.
[02:04:26] <TParis> It ain't their job to put up with you.
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[02:05:16] <RD> comets: Stop whining in here. We have rules. Request undeletion and end your crisis or move on.
[02:05:18] <comets> i ask nicely once...unfortunately all the good admins have retired, just the a-holes remain... like u TP ..
[02:05:23] <JamesEG> let's just say that yes, the PROD procedure seems like it was designed a way to avoid contention, which could be a good thing for argumentative people but probably isn't for Wikipedia as a whole
[02:05:27] <JamesEG> ugh
[02:05:36] <comets> its ur mistake RD not mine, u fix it.
[02:05:42] <RD> It wasn't a mistake
[02:05:50] <comets> JamesEG, it is..
[02:05:58] <comets> oh yes, it was..
[02:06:01] <RD> It was PRODed for the required time...and now it's gone.
[02:06:12] <TParis> No point arguing with him, RD. Politness is only a requirement of everyone else. Comets is above the expectations of everyone else.
[02:06:13] <JamesEG> comets in the future you should probably Watch pages like that.
[02:06:17] <comets> lemme prod Jimbo's article
[02:06:25] <TParis> Feel free, comets.
[02:06:29] <RD> TParis: Even he is entitled to a warning
[02:06:36] <TParis> RD - he got one.
[02:06:48] <comets> the closing admins should NOT blindly delete stuff... you FAILED stop blaming me.
[02:06:49] <TParis> Now he's just being a jerk
[02:07:06] <TParis> comets: It wasn't blind. It takes 2 people to PROD an article. And it lasts for 7 days where anyone can oppose it.
[02:07:22] <TParis> You're a giant tool, comets. And for the record, I retired 6 months ago :P
[02:07:27] <RD> People always complain about the process yet don't do anything to change it.
[02:07:33] <comets> yeah, still here..
[02:07:41] <slakr> you need 2 people to prod an article?
[02:07:44] <JamesEG> comets, please shut up for a moment.
[02:07:53] <comets> news to me slakr
[02:07:53] <JamesEG> let's change the topic
[02:07:54] <TParis> slakr - one nom, one admin
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[02:08:09] <RD> The latter doesn't really mean anything, TParis
[02:08:10] <comets> one nom, one trigger happy admin
[02:08:13] <slakr> oh... the admin is only rubber stamp
[02:08:21] <RD> The admin doesn't have to look at the article itself.
[02:08:24] <RD> Technically.
[02:08:27] <RD> Just the history.
[02:08:32] <slakr> ^
[02:08:33] <JamesEG> don't you guys think that the PROD procedure is a bit slanted?
[02:08:38] <slakr> no.
[02:08:42] <slakr> WP:UNDELETE
[02:08:47] <JamesEG> let's discuss pros and cons
[02:08:48] <comets> precisely..u failed, not me... you are supposed to SEE what is being TAGGED for deletion.
[02:08:50] <slakr> nothing is deleted, just delisted.
[02:09:13] <comets> RD> Just the history. < lol so u deleted it because i wrote it?
[02:09:16] <TParis> slakr - the admin has a responsibility, it's their choice how they exercise it
[02:09:21] <RD> I didn't even look at the article, comets
[02:09:24] <RD> TBH.
[02:09:33] <slakr> the problem with using "deletion" is that anal-retentive people feel the need to retain things nobody cares about because "zOMG it'll be lost forever otherwise!"
[02:09:41] <comets> so it is ur fault, so why not just restore it?
[02:09:42] <TParis> exactly
[02:09:46] <comets> i did ask nicely..
[02:09:49] <RD> Because you're acting like a fool.
[02:09:50] <RD> No you didn't.
[02:10:02] <comets> i did, above, u didn;t respond
[02:10:02] <TParis> ftfy "tool"
[02:10:20] <RD> I restore lots of pages I delete. There are requests all over my talk page.
[02:10:32] <slakr> when in reality, anyone can just come by when it comes to PROD-deleted things and be like "yeah, I want it back," and it magically appears again. :P
[02:10:36] <RD> Well that's because you lost me after "idiot" where I should have banned you.
[02:10:37] <comets> of foff back to retirement TParis no one likes you..
[02:10:49] <TParis> lol, well you sure as crap don't
[02:11:27] <comets> i don't Post on ppl's talk pages much or outside of mainspace anymore unless some douchebag takes me to WP:ANI lol
[02:11:43] * JamesEG squawks
[02:12:25] <JamesEG> does anybody want to discuss something a little more useful? like the pros & cons of PROD?
[02:12:27] <comets> i prefer the wiki side of editing, not the shitty side ;)
[02:12:38] <comets> JamesEG, no pros, only cons
[02:12:38] <TParis> comets: It's less shitty without you
[02:13:02] <slakr> pros: less AfD backlog, cons: none.
[02:13:09] <JamesEG> comets and TParis, can you two please shut up about that one page?
[02:13:17] <comets> meh it was in deep shit with me and even deeper shit without me tp
[02:13:50] <TParis> Lol, you think quite highly of yourself - you could be an admin with that attitude
[02:14:14] <comets> i fail as an asshole to be an admin ..sorry
[02:14:44] <JamesEG> i disagree with the cons. I think that at least the length of time should be lengthed to two weeks.
[02:14:50] <comets> could not rise to ur level of douchebaggery ..i tried though..
[02:15:02] <RD> It has been extended a couple of times over the years, JamesEG
[02:15:04] <comets> u set a high standard ;)
[02:15:08] <TParis> Fail? Oh, no, sir - you're the epitome of assholeism. The rest of us should aspire to match your level. If only we can live in your glory.
[02:15:14] <RD> IIRC it was 5 days originally
[02:15:16] <comets> yeah 2 weeks surely....
[02:15:46] <slakr> JamesEG: if nobody--nobody--cares about an article's tag for 7 days (and/or any longer due to backlogs), and then an admin that drops by also doesn't care about it
[02:16:02] <slakr> I'm sorry, but it deserves to die
[02:16:05] <RD> (There were just 9 days worth of PROD backlogs)
[02:16:15] <slakr> it can be resurrected easily
[02:16:19] <slakr> --if someone ever cares.
[02:16:19] <TParis> Well, it's been fun, toolbag, but your assholism is blinding my eyes it's radiating so bright. I'll have to add you to my ignore list to save what's left.
[02:16:22] <RD> The articles they care so little about they don't even care to delete them.
[02:16:25] <RD> :P
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[02:16:34] <comets> epitome?, i'm not even in n00b level of assholery oh great jedi..
[02:16:37] <slakr> I mean
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[02:17:15] <RD> I'm going to quiet the next person who says anything inappropriate.
[02:17:17] <JamesEG> i guess i've never been so attached to a page as yet, so I don't really have any personal examples to consider
[02:17:21] <comets> as i said, i didn't see it...i don't edit enwiki as much as i used too
[02:18:16] <JamesEG> i guess we should form a committee to see what the minimum attention a notable page receives
[02:18:31] <slakr> there's lots of stuff that doesn't meet A7 by the letter
[02:18:34] <JamesEG> i.e. how much time lapses between views
[02:18:36] <comets> who would prod an article that was written by a 'retired' editor and then post it to their talk page? lol
[02:18:47] <slakr> (makes a reasonable claim to notability but isn't G11, for example)
[02:18:55] <slakr> but you can be 100% certain wouldn't survive AfD
[02:19:12] <slakr> it doens't need to sit around indefinitely, but SNOW deletion would anger people
[02:19:21] <slakr> so PROD.
[02:19:38] <comets> again Ryan, notability is there, so its best to just restore it...
[02:19:59] <slakr> it's basically for the people who read Wikipedia for Dummies and shake-and-bake an article that barely survives CSD.
[02:20:01] <RD> I reserve the right not to serve you.
[02:20:06] <RD> But any other admin will do it, surely.
[02:20:53] <JamesEG> i get that. it just seems presumptuous to claim that an article wouldn't survive AfD anyways, even if that were a correct assessment.
[02:21:03] <JamesEG> but i'm only arguing principles here.
[02:21:18] <comets> what admin?, no one has bothered to comment here thus far.
[02:21:22] <slakr> no, no
[02:21:24] <slakr> it's not presumptuous
[02:21:29] <comets> slakr, u still an admin or did u get bored? :P
[02:21:44] <slakr> because I close lots of afds
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[02:21:54] <slakr> :P
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[02:22:06] <slakr> and actually, I more relist them
[02:22:16] <slakr> frequently due to low turnout
[02:22:45] <comets> SNOW is fine for new articles, Prod isn't fine for old articles, they should list it in AFD
[02:23:02] <comets> at the very least, PROD is kinda useless eally.
[02:23:18] <slakr> article age doesn't really matter; before new page patrol was ramped up, lots of stuff slipped through
[02:23:31] <slakr> but yes, if it's an old article, even I'm more inclined to AfD
[02:24:11] <slakr> same goes with stuff before editfilter monitored moves from user->main space
[02:24:38] <slakr> an article could technically be "old" but not actually have been in mainspace, for example
[02:25:02] <comets> i think i created it in late 2006 or early 2007 :/
[02:25:21] <JamesEG> perhaps then not everybody should be entitled to nominate for a PROD. at this point i don't know enough about criteria, so i can't continue discussion. thanks slakr, anyways.
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[02:26:48] <slakr> prod doesn't as much need criteria as just a valid deletion rationale. Admins typically don't like deleting things blindly (and I won't even do so if the prod rationale isn't sane), granted, I haven't deleted any prods for years
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[02:27:44] <slakr> as much as some people like to think of admins as mindless, they really do care (or at least people like me do), because we don't want to have to deal with explaining shit after the fact :P
[02:28:17] <JamesEG> like what just happened you mean...
[02:28:27] <slakr> ?
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[02:28:43] <JamesEG> comets and TParis going at it
[02:29:03] <slakr> oh I was sorta ignoring that
[02:29:08] <comets> well the explanation i got from the deleting admin " I didn't even look at the article" and he still wouldn't restore :/
[02:29:10] <JamesEG> sorry about the name spam you two
[02:29:14] <TParis> Meh
[02:29:32] <slakr> when I saw "prod jimbo's article" I just eyerolled
[02:29:58] <TParis> Comets was just kind enough to demonstrate the kind of attitude you and I were discussing in the beginning.
[02:30:16] <TParis> Yeah, a PROD isn't an automatic delete and someone would remove it from Jimbo's article.
[02:30:20] <JamesEG> comets the admin admitted that he didn't look at it, which amounted to an apology
[02:30:42] <comets> and u demonstrated how silly admins on enwiki are...Ryan helped too ;)
[02:31:11] <JamesEG> you probably should've just moved on from that point and put a note on the talk page to remind him
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[02:31:55] <JamesEG> even if you or your page were wronged by the ordeal
[02:31:57] <comets> now FGS, can someone restore it :? i don't create articles on ppl who are "borderline" notable..ever :/
[02:32:01] <slakr> it's a decent support of my point, though: let's say nobody contested a prod on Jimbo's article. An admin would almost certainly not delete it anyway because that's just a pain in the ass to have to deal with the giant pain after the fact--because that's what the point of PROD is, non-controversial deletions, not "technically I can delete this." :P
[02:32:24] <slakr> it's not like admins are going around edging to delete things people can be assumed to get angry over deleting
[02:32:24] <slakr> lol
[02:32:41] <slakr> that's just trolls projecting their own motives onto them :P
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[02:33:21] <comets> its "non-controversial" if the article as created by a noob, if the admin had bothered to check the history, they would not have deleted it
[02:33:24] * JamesEG tugs at the reigns
[02:33:47] <comets> would any of u delete an article created by Jimbo?
[02:34:05] <slakr> and again, "deleted" isn't even a valid term for it, when you think about it.
[02:34:11] <comets> http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Daniel_Rae_Costello
[02:34:12] <Bsadowski1> Pricasso :D
[02:34:13] <comets> heh
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[02:34:27] <slakr> comets: depends how it gets to the point of deletion. If there's consensus at AfD, why wouldn't you?
[02:34:29] <Bsadowski1> comets, do you like Pricasso?
[02:35:22] <comets> if it gets to afd lol, what its some obscure article jimmy created a decade ago?
[02:35:45] <comets> Bsadowski1, yeah lol, his jimmy face is a masterpiece..
[02:36:27] <TParis> Bsadowski1: Who has ever stepped foot in Commons and isn't a pricasso fan? It's better than 99% of the rest of the images in that category.
[02:37:16] <JamesEG> Pricasso some inside joke? boo.
[02:37:23] <TParis> No, sadly, it's not
[02:37:46] <TParis> You'd think so the first time you heard the story, though, right?
[02:38:02] <comets> well some dicks are more talented than users here :/
[02:38:13] <JamesEG> it looks like it. prick+-asso
[02:38:50] <JamesEG> now i must know what this Pricasso is
[02:39:12] <JamesEG> oh, no, I mustn't!
[02:39:32] <JamesEG> why did i let you do that to me!
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[02:40:33] <TParis> haha
[02:43:03] <comets> 1 hour on....
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[02:58:10] <MJ94> Hiya
[02:58:15] <TParis> hey
[02:58:51] <JamesEG> so i'd never heard of Crusader Kings II until today
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[02:59:15] <JamesEG> and there's a linux version. booya.
[03:00:20] <MJ94> TParis: how are ya?
[03:00:35] <SigmaWP> James_F|Away: ???????
[03:00:39] <SigmaWP> er.
[03:00:43] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: ?????
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[03:00:51] <SigmaWP> YOU'VE BEEN MISSING OUT ON SO MUCH GENOCIDE
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[03:00:56] <MJ94> SigmaWP: ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
[03:00:58] <SigmaWP> Also join the club https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/
[03:01:11] <TParis> Doing just fine, MJ94, how are you?
[03:01:51] <JamesEG> that reminds me of Invader Zim: “Galactic conquest is here!”
[03:02:20] <TParis> SigmaWP: Are you following the development of Star citizen?
[03:02:37] <SigmaWP> No
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[03:03:21] <TParis> Well that's unfortunate
[03:04:43] <SigmaWP> Yeah
[03:04:48] <SigmaWP> According to WP it looks pretty interesting
[03:05:09] <comets> i miss invader zim....
[03:05:43] <comets> especially gir..
[03:05:57] <TParis> Can I PM you some videos?
[03:06:30] <MJ94> TParis: Good. Trying to figure out if I have motivation to go work on a list or not.
[03:06:32] <JamesEG> these ones have peanuts and soap in them!
[03:06:42] <TParis> I never have motivation for a list
[03:08:14] <MJ94> TParis: Why not?
[03:08:26] <TParis> No interest in tedious work
[03:09:31] <TParis> Alright, time to get a rocket into orbit
[03:09:52] <TParis> Playing the KSP demo, can't seem to get into orbit
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[03:12:39] <JamesEG> you mean like SpaceX? heh heh heh.
[03:12:55] <TParis> haha
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[03:36:05] <MJ94> {Soap}: ping
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[03:41:32] <{Soap}> hi its me
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[03:54:23] <Cncmaster> My CVUA course is coming along. Still alot left though.
[03:54:49] <{Soap}> hi Ж
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[03:55:10] <Cncmaster> hey
[03:57:15] <Cncmaster> It's gonna end up at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cncmaster/AVA
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[03:58:13] <{Soap}> i hope you get people interested
[03:59:40] <Cncmaster> yeah, CVUA hasn't seen a lot of activity lately
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[04:07:24] <SuicidalZerg> Shit:
[04:07:24] <SuicidalZerg> [22:02] <MrBlack-Bot> <CSNinja> and glass
[04:07:27] <SuicidalZerg> er
[04:07:35] <SuicidalZerg> O_o why did it paste that...
[04:07:42] <SuicidalZerg> Anyways... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/16/201217/trim-and-linux-tread-cautiously-and-keep-backups-handy
[04:08:38] <SuicidalZerg> ...I'm planning on using a Samsung 850 evo, and the linux version of KODI for my media center... and this news does not make me particularly confident.
[04:09:07] <{Soap}> its been so long since i've been to Slashdot
[04:09:17] <{Soap}> its kind of good to see theyre still using the same old format
[04:09:25] <SuicidalZerg> heh
[04:09:34] <SuicidalZerg> Yeah, they tried a new format a little while back.
[04:09:40] <{Soap}> basically every other website thats been online 15+ years has a "new and improved" format that may or may not be acvtually improved
[04:09:41] <SuicidalZerg> It didn't go very well
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[04:10:51] <JamesEG> If i saw a can called Diesel Energy Drink, i'd expect a thicker flavor than mixed berries.
[04:12:46] <{Soap}> Diesel is an energy drink produced by Diesel Beverage Company in La Mesa, California. Diesel advertises that it provides high octane power with 6000 or 9000 horsepower and can be purchased in 16 cylinder or 24 cylinder sizes.
[04:12:47] <{Soap}> cute
[04:13:32] <{Soap}> did it make you as strong as 6000 horses?
[04:13:40] <{Soap}> oh wow that article is old
[04:13:50] <Cncmaster> Heart disease in a can. Wait...
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[04:16:16] <{Soap}> hopefully the "Red Bull didnt give me wings" lawsuit guy doesnt hear about them
[04:17:10] <comets> try libra :P
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[04:58:55] <TParis> I made it into orbit, yeah
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[05:03:03] <{Soap}> hi TP
[05:03:13] <{Soap}> you like Red Bull ?
[05:03:47] <TParis> meh, I'll drink it if I have to
[05:03:57] <{Soap}> oh i thought you were responding to the wings thing
[05:03:57] <{Soap}> ive only ever had one Red Bull in my life, when i was working like a 15 hour shift
[05:05:02] <TParis> Oh, no, I'm playing kerbal space program demo
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[05:10:43] <{Soap}> in all fairness the lawsuit was about that the only actual energy producing ingreident in Red Bull is caffeine
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[05:10:56] <{Soap}> therefore you could get all the effects witg just a bunch of coffees
[05:11:21] <{Soap}> or even like a 24 pack of Dr Pepper if you dont mind running to the bathroom every half hour
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[05:18:09] <comets> http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Donald-Trump-Danny-Zuker-Twitter-Feud-37846762 lovely LOL.
[05:19:43] <{Soap}> does any real American take Trump seriously as a politician?
[05:20:38] <unboxed> unfortunately I've encountered plenty that do
[05:21:07] <{Soap}> ok
[05:21:18] <{Soap}> still not enough to convince me to vote for Clinton of course
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[05:22:23] <comets> when it comes to politics, for ANY country, its not about the good or the bad (there is no good), its about the lesser evil ;)
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[05:24:06] <{Soap}> at least Trump is from NYC so all the rural conservatives can just be like "well he's not really one of us anyway"
[05:25:30] <{Soap}> is this really happening? Bush is leading the polls
[05:25:35] <{Soap}> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
[05:26:43] <{Soap}> i guess it'll save money on campaign signs
[05:27:08] <{Soap}> everyone go into your garage and dig out your old campaign signs from the 1990s
[05:27:34] <{Soap}> Doesnt matter which party you favor, the names are recycled either way
[05:29:42] <JamesEG> cthulhu for president 2016 http://www.cthulhu.org/
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[05:30:25] <{Soap}> oh nice they made an online calculator that shows the work done to derive the answer so now school students can cheat even better
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[05:30:34] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
[05:30:58] <JamesEG> bye joe
[05:31:07] <unboxed> bye person
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[05:37:30] <JamesEG> it would be hilarious if we could get a majority of the popular vote to write-in Cthulhu for 2016
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[05:38:16] <JamesEG> who knows, maybe the secret members of the Cult in the electoral college would then be obliged to cast their votes for Cthulhu
[05:38:25] <{Soap}> hey MJ94 i just realized you never followed up
[05:38:32] <{Soap}> i assume ig you needed help you got it
[05:38:35] <JamesEG> alas, i don't think the stars are aligned
[05:38:35] <{Soap}> sotty i wasnt fadter
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[05:39:02] <MJ94> Earlier? I was just saying hi :)
[05:39:24] <{Soap}> well ok cool
[05:39:38] <{Soap}> <MJ94> {Soap}: ping <--- just saying, that usually is used by people who need help
[05:39:59] <MJ94> Oh, I had a question
[05:40:04] <MJ94> Buuuut I forgot it
[05:40:10] <{Soap}> ok no problem
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[06:07:38] <{Soap}> whoa Portland Maine might be raising its minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. That a HUGE increase
[06:07:49] <{Soap}> no one expected that ]
[06:07:59] <{Soap}> from $7.50
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[06:10:54] <{Soap}> the Seattle of New England
[06:11:25] <{Soap}> The Portland City Council voted 6-3 Monday night to create a city minimum wage of $10.10 an hour on Jan. 1, increase it a year later, and tie future minimum wages to inflation.
[06:11:36] <{Soap}> The city council, which has the power to adopt the referendum proposal outright before it reaches voters, is widely expected to place the question on the ballot.
[06:12:15] <MJ94> goodnight
[06:12:15] <MJ94> {Soap}: if you reply to my PM I'll see it tomorrow
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[06:14:04] <{Soap}> sorry
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[06:14:25] <{Soap}> i didnt see a qustion
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[06:19:26] <{Soap}> Portland Maine is funny
[06:19:37] <MJ94> Goodnight for real this time.
[06:19:43] <{Soap}> i wish people from the rest of the country paid more attention to us
[06:19:48] <MJ94> AFK.
[06:19:55] <{Soap}> we're just like this forgotten little wasteland north of Boston
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[06:20:32] <{Soap}> i should pick up the boston globe and look for stories about Maine that arent just talking about how good the lobster catch is
[06:21:01] <{Soap}> far more interesting than NH or VT or basically any other New England state, i thnik, except possibly Massachusetts itself
[06:21:16] <{Soap}> except that Bernie Sanders is running for president
[06:21:26] <{Soap}> but hey I lived in Vermont too
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[06:24:02] * {Soap} if i post as "Soap" on the Portland Press Herald will i get quoted in the print edition?
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[06:29:40] <jubo2> g'morning #wikipedia-en
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[06:30:42] <Cncmaster> Well, looks like Cluebot is down.
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[06:37:09] <{Soap}> so many bots
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[06:45:11] <{Soap}> wow its late
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[07:02:24] <{soap|bed}> Ellen Pao, the interim CEO of popular online message board Reddit, apologized to users Monday for "a long history of mistakes" as a petition calling for her ouster gained signatures.
[07:03:32] <Jeske_Couriano> Ellen Pao is mainly being targeted because she's female.
[07:03:45] <Jeske_Couriano> Reddit houses a LOT of GamerGate dregs.
[07:05:06] <Cncmaster> I can't stand Reddit. Too many cancerous individuals in one area.
[07:05:21] <Cncmaster> Just my opinion.
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[07:13:07] <{soap|bed}> i stand by whaty i said before, ie.. that reddit isso huge that theres no stereotype
[07:13:18] <{soap|bed}> there's no "tyipical redditor" anymore
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[07:24:49] <SigmaWP> Jeske_Couriano: Ellen Pao is mainly being targeted because she's female and Asian
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[07:41:57] <{soap|bed}> whoa
[07:42:14] <{soap|bed}> Prior to his marriage to Ellen Pao, Buddy Fletcher was in a same-sex relationship with Hobart V. "Bo" Fowlkes, Jr. for more than 10 years.
[07:42:22] <{soap|bed}> *that* doesnt happen very often
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[09:16:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} you havent heard of bisexuals?
[09:16:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they kinda existed for quite some time
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[12:49:10] <RD> comets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rjd0060#Deletion_of_Toms_.28cartoonist.29 Is one proper way to request an undeletion per PROD. Now, is your article restored yet or do you still need it done?
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[12:53:40] <comets> i got it restored by a sysop who knows his job..
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[13:56:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> North Korea recenlty opened a new terminal building at Pyongyang’s international airport, underscoring an effort to attract more tourists and to spruce up the country ahead of a celebration of a major anniversary of the founding of its ruling party in October.
[13:56:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wow.
[13:57:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we should hold a wikimania there, its not like anyone else would be using it.
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[14:00:51] <slakr> yeah
[14:01:45] <slakr> let's host a Wikimania (an event for the encyclopedia anyone can edit) in North Korea
[14:01:51] <slakr> brilliant :P
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[14:04:49] <NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: do we need to arrive by hot air balloon ?
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[14:04:52] * NotASpy hopes people get that reference
[14:06:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I was thinking of using the hover aircraft carrier of the foundation
[14:06:49] <NotASpy> don't you recall Jimbo telling people to tie USB sticks loaded with Wikipedia onto balloons and float them towards North Korea ?
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[14:08:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy oh? no I do not. :(
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[14:08:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I fail as a jimbo fanboi probably for that
[14:09:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy why not carpet bomb north korea with the archive of ANB/i ?
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[14:44:05] <git> i've had this computer for ~2.5 weeks and i still haven't installed flash because i've not needed it
[14:44:09] <git> this makes me so happy
[14:45:39] <slakr> [we're sorry, this ad requires the latest Flash version installed in order to play]
[14:45:42] <slakr> "damn."
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[14:48:09] <bluss> we have WP:Peer review, but do we have a better place to ask for fact checking help? Topic is CS theory/algorithms [[Heap's algorithm]]
[14:49:30] <GorillaWarfare> There's a CS WikiProject, I believe
[14:49:37] <GorillaWarfare> Though I'm not sure how active it is
[14:50:15] <GorillaWarfare> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing
[14:51:05] <GorillaWarfare> Looks pretty dead though..
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[14:51:55] <{soap|bed}> hi
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[14:52:03] <{soap|bed}> honestly? give us a try. I mean, here , this chat room
[14:52:08] <{soap|bed}> maybe we cant help but it cant hurt right?
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[14:52:20] <{soap|bed}> unless your qyestion is so long and complex that it would take an entire screen to type out
[14:52:36] <{soap|bed}> in which case i'd say youre probably better off posting on Refdesk
[14:52:56] <{soap|bed}> while not strictly a Refdesk question, the people there are likely to be able to help
[14:55:14] <{soap|bed}> Average IQ over there is quite high
[14:55:30] <{soap|bed}> possibly even over 100
[14:56:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IQ is an antiquated measure
[14:56:27] <bluss> GorillaWarfare: I'll try
[14:56:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> By my IQ I must be a genious, but really I struggle with those medicine bottles just like everyone else.
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[14:57:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I heard albert einstein failed with his medicine bottles too
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[15:01:13] <git> ToAruShiroiNeko: target pharmacy has the best bottles ever
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[15:01:34] <git> none of that press and turn shit. squeeze the tabs on the side and twist
[15:03:06] <IDoH> <ToAruShiroiNeko> [10:56:25] IQ is an antiquated measure <----I've had my IQ tested multiple times, and I agree with this.
[15:03:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git the nearest target to me is probably 3000 miles away
[15:03:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> supermarket pharmacies are illegal here I think
[15:04:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH I think they existed to primarily to determine "stupid" so that they can be send to special schools
[15:04:25] <git> oh.
[15:04:29] <git> that would definitely be a problem
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[15:04:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9xEVo954g
[15:05:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this kind of puts such tests in a negative light indirectly I imagine
[15:05:14] <IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Right. And they don't even pick up on a lot of cognitive issues anyways (executive dysfunction, etc.)
[15:05:17] <{soap|bed}> i heard that someone invented the target Rx bottle and patented it
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[15:05:29] <git> yeah
[15:05:36] <git> the design is patented
[15:05:42] <git> it's a damn good design too
[15:05:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is?
[15:05:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> best design is if it has a puzzle before you can open it
[15:06:19] <git> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClearRx
[15:07:09] <{soap|bed}> "designed by design student" that wording could be probably reworked
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[15:07:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> designed by former design student
[15:08:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> better? :p
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[15:11:03] <git> http://static.targetimg1.com/2015/REFRESH/Pharmacy/images/011314_phrmcy_clrrx_hero_oc_slot1.jpg
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[15:12:26] <git> and after you fill like five prescriptions i think, you get a 5% off coupon good for an entire trip
[15:13:14] <git> ... which is about a month of prescriptions for me
[15:13:47] <{soap|bed}> theyre still calling their customers "guests", I see
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[15:16:21] <Bsadowski1> https://www.consumeraffairs.com/retail/target_stores.htm
[15:16:22] <Bsadowski1> lol
[15:18:01] <git> people aren't going to write a review about target if they're happy
[15:18:13] <Bsadowski1> "Not only was our personal (email) and bank security compromised and jeopardized but when I called to explain this situation to customer service I was made to feel as if I was somehow in the wrong, and honestly felt mocked and not taken seriously"
[15:18:35] <Bsadowski1> Well, maybe if you had a better password
[15:18:39] <Bsadowski1> <_<
[15:18:42] <Bsadowski1> Just saying
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[15:21:40] <{soap|bed}> Target averages 1 star
[15:22:09] <{soap|bed}> Target Stores does NOT participate in the ConsumerAffairs accreditation program. Learn More
[15:22:27] <{soap|bed}> i think i mightve read about that
[15:22:58] <{soap|bed}> there was some thing where they were accusing the Consumer Affairs bureau of bribing them to raise the ratinh, and that it wasnt based on consumer complains after all. I could be thinking of some other company though
[15:23:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git I am familiar with target though
[15:23:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> They use AI after all
[15:23:30] <{soap|bed}> i'll give Target a chance
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[15:23:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
[15:24:12] <{soap|bed}> yeah it must be something else. Walmart also doesnt participate and their ranking is just a teeny tiny bit higher
[15:24:25] <{soap|bed}> it looks likje walmart gets 1.2 out of 5 stars
[15:24:59] <{soap|bed}> walgreens gets 1.02 stars
[15:25:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont understand why people are upset that their shopping habbits are analysed
[15:25:30] <{soap|bed}> Citgo gets 1.05 stars. Boy, they really dont like anybody in retail
[15:26:02] <{soap|bed}> Walgreens says "yeah baby 1.02 stars!! One out of every 50 customers actually likes shopping here!!"
[15:26:29] <git> {soap|bed}: they won't write a review after a normal shopping trip
[15:26:36] <git> only if something was exceptionally good or bad
[15:28:34] <{soap|bed}> whaoaoaoaoao Trader Joe's gets an entire 1.6 stars. Theyre moving up
[15:28:50] <{soap|bed}> only 88% of their customers hate them
[15:29:15] <{soap|bed}> Whole Foods 1.2
[15:29:32] <{soap|bed}> and, yea, i totally agree with you
[15:29:38] <topaz> sounds like one of those things where the only people who bother voting are people who have a beef against the company
[15:29:44] <{soap|bed}> no one goes to a complaints site to say how wonderful their cashier was
[15:29:46] <topaz> or, what git said
[15:30:27] <{soap|bed}> Also, not a single one of the companies I've looked at so far actually participates in their program
[15:31:38] <{soap|bed}> im getting more cynical every minute. is this even real? They have an ISP listed as "Earthlink Billing Problems", as though thats actually the name of the company
[15:32:07] <{soap|bed}> i do hope this is not actually a gov't agency
[15:33:43] <TheMesquito> Earthlink is a real ISP
[15:33:53] <{soap|bed}> i know
[15:34:02] <{soap|bed}> it would be cool of them to actually identify them as EarthLink
[15:34:17] <{soap|bed}> but no, they refer to the company only as "Earthlink Billing Problems"
[15:34:47] <{soap|bed}> "Earthlink Billing Problems does NOT participate in the ConsumerAffairs accreditation program."
[15:35:06] <{soap|bed}> i wonder if ConsumerAffairs has a report on itself
[15:35:21] <TheMesquito> "FBI agents and Indiana State Police are at the home of Subway restaurant spokesman Jared Fogle and have removed electronics from the property."
[15:35:27] <TheMesquito> Oh lordy
[15:35:41] <{soap|bed}> oh yeah i sort of browsed past that headline while reading the news
[15:35:50] <{soap|bed}> promising i'd google it later
[15:35:52] <{soap|bed}> thanks for reminding me
[15:36:45] <TheMesquito> Normaly, when the FBI does that, it means CP, that is what happend at my dads work a year or so ago
[15:36:46] <{soap|bed}> ah OK it seems he might be OK
[15:37:08] <{soap|bed}> he's just being investiagted as a possible accomplic in child porn, not the distributor or posessor or anything
[15:37:37] <{soap|bed}> i.e. "you knew this guy had porn, he was your employee, why didnt you do something?"
[15:37:42] <{soap|bed}> we'll see though
[15:38:03] <TheMesquito> Ag
[15:38:06] <TheMesquito> Ah
[15:38:13] <TheMesquito> I see now
[15:38:16] <TheMesquito> "The artical doesn't say any child porn was found in his possession, this is just a counter measure because the director of the Jared Foundation was found to be in possession of child porn."
[15:38:19] <{soap|bed}> i dunno why, if he was guilty, he would just sit back and let it happen after the other guy got put in jail
[15:38:56] <{soap|bed}> so even if he did somehow have child porn of his own I imagine if he's smart it's gone without a trace now
[15:39:00] <git> some pizza place here got raided not too long ago
[15:39:09] <git> apparently they were shipping guns to lebanon
[15:39:13] <git> a lot
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[15:47:22] <{soap|bed}> i still think of the town in Maine whenever I see the name Lebanon
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[15:49:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.thelocal.no/20150706/norway-police-shot-guns-twice-in-2014
[15:49:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> woha
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[15:55:43] <Bsadowski1> Wow
[15:55:53] <Bsadowski1> Lol
[15:56:15] <Bsadowski1> And just look at how many police killings the US has each year (and some are unreported also)
[15:56:36] <Bsadowski1> It sickens me that they can also get away with it here
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[15:58:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 police dont shoot because they enjoy it
[15:58:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they are genuinely scared
[15:58:54] <Bsadowski1> I know.
[15:59:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and in the US why shouldnt they be?
[15:59:07] <Bsadowski1> You think so, even if the target is unarmed?
[15:59:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> People walk around with semi-automatic AR-15s
[15:59:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 I am not aproving of it. But there is an effect of stress
[15:59:34] <Bsadowski1> I am talking about killings where the target is unarmed, ToAruShiroiNeko.
[15:59:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this does not excuse the behaviour naturally
[16:00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but if there were less guns there would be fewer problems with guns
[16:00:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a cop firing a gun would be news then
[16:01:20] <{soap|bed}> Norway has a high per capita gun ownership. 10th in the world, about 1/3 of America
[16:01:34] <{soap|bed}> but, i suspect, many more rifles and less handguns
[16:01:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its the type of firearm
[16:01:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if its locked in a cabinet at a gun range, I am not too worried
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[16:02:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if the gun itself is for hunting (hence a capacity of say 5) again I am not too worried
[16:02:14] <{soap|bed}> parts of Norway supposedly you are supposed to always have a gun with you because of the bears. Granted, I know Norway isnt 100% wilderness,. its probably not even 20% wildernessm, buit those areas still do excist
[16:02:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} russians too
[16:02:28] <topaz> Alaska too.
[16:02:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> again russians
[16:02:45] <{soap|bed}> Russia's gun ownership would probably be high if it werent for the USSR
[16:02:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I meant against russians
[16:03:00] <{soap|bed}> as it is theyre merely 66th in the world
[16:03:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> alaska is the only state that can genuinely claim guns are needed for defence
[16:03:13] <{soap|bed}> oh. ha. Russians trying to sneak into Norway? I s'pose, why not
[16:03:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} its communism, government owns your gun
[16:03:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} they do it with subs lately
[16:03:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whom have a crew that wet their pants probably
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[16:03:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do you know what it feels like to dodge depth charges?
[16:04:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> especially if the enemy knows EXACTLY where you are and is toying with you
[16:05:59] <{soap|bed}> ireland seems to have the lowest per capita gun ownership in Western Europe
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[16:06:13] <{soap|bed}> probably not much hunting to do over there
[16:06:47] <{soap|bed}> Only 26 land mammal species are native to Ireland, because it has been isolated from the European mainland, caused by rising sea levels after the Midlandian Ice Age, since about 14,000 BC.
[16:06:53] <{soap|bed}> and most of them are tiny
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[16:07:49] <{soap|bed}> they barely even have rabbits
[16:08:22] <TheMesquito> ToAruShiroiNeko: About the Alaska thing, you obvusaly have never been in the backwoods of Texas, always having a gun there is a nesisity also, unless you like being killed by bears or moutian lions
[16:09:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TheMesquito you misunderstand
[16:09:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I meant for human invasions
[16:09:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> against
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[16:09:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mexico wont invade texas
[16:09:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they'd strictly attack the alamo probably
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[16:10:55] <{soap|bed}> Texas is roughly half Mexican anyway
[16:11:10] <{soap|bed}> theres a lot of families split by tbe border
[16:12:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.thelocal.no/20150602/snowden-could-come-to-norway-to-collect-prize
[16:12:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} I dont think those mexicans are an expeditionary force
[16:12:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as much as republicans want us to believe
[16:13:26] <{soap|bed}> has mexico even fought a war since 1848?
[16:13:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I forgot the name of Donald Trump so I just googled for toupe :3
[16:13:46] <{soap|bed}> aside from suppressing a couple of rebellions within their own territory that is
[16:14:56] <{soap|bed}> OK apparently they have, but only very marginally. Honestly, Mexico's in a good location to build a stable country
[16:16:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} most countries kinda avoid war
[16:16:10] <{soap|bed}> basically the only war fought by Mexico since 1848 besides civil uprisings and int'l wars such as WW2 is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93Guatemala_conflict
[16:16:24] <{soap|bed}> and the number of casualties in that war?
[16:16:31] <{soap|bed}> 3
[16:16:38] <{soap|bed}> well, 3 deaths. 14 wounded
[16:17:32] <sleighbells> are they done with summer of monuments
[16:17:45] <sleighbells> for some reason I thought they would have it again this summer
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[16:25:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so trump has a good chance of being a runner up
[16:28:34] <NotASpy> yes, being 1 winner and everybody else being runners up.
[16:29:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I would welcome a Trump presidency
[16:29:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we would have so many wars with canada
[16:29:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Now I am curious though if he would rename everything.
[16:29:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trum Avenue, Trumpmobile, Trump Force One...
[16:30:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh! White Trump Residence
[16:30:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trumpoilet
[16:30:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trump of the Union
[16:31:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> soo many renamings
[16:31:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we would need an agency for it
[16:31:28] <marktraceur> He'd make Trump Speeches on the campaign trail
[16:31:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or a department... Hmm "Department of Trump"
[16:31:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> marktraceur isnt it amazing? Comedy gold
[16:31:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> world would be a sad place probably
[16:31:52] <marktraceur> ToAruShiroiNeko: His campaign literature would be Trump Cards
[16:32:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> booo
[16:32:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
[16:32:32] <marktraceur> He'd start a new Education Tax program and it'd be called TrumpET
[16:33:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he wouldnt ban education?
[16:33:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I expect him to illegalise reading
[16:33:36] <marktraceur> No, he'd just privatize it, and use media to encourage reading
[16:33:39] <marktraceur> Trumping Rainbow
[16:33:40] <Qcoder00> And if you object , Trumped-up cjharges?
[16:33:49] <Qcoder00> Sorry
[16:33:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trumbow
[16:34:28] <marktraceur> They'd haul in a whole load of ducks for the White House Christmas dinner.
[16:34:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> UN would probably be moved to canada, pysically
[16:34:33] <marktraceur> Trump Duck Dump Truuck.
[16:34:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> marktraceur his name is Donald
[16:35:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am offended that you didnt epxloit it :p
[16:35:28] <marktraceur> (Tr|D)ump (Tr|D)uck
[16:35:31] <marktraceur> Is the joke.
[16:35:44] <marktraceur> I hope it's starting to Don on you.
[16:36:13] <marktraceur> Though his name, comedically, will definitely start toupée off.
[16:36:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I seriously googled toupe today becayse I forgot his name, then his photo reminded me it
[16:37:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trumpee :D
[16:37:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think if elected he will be the first toupe president
[16:37:54] <marktraceur> As a person widely known for saying the words "You're fired", he may not be the best person to give addresses to the nation when California is burning
[16:38:13] <marktraceur> Which it kinda does every month or so
[16:38:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think he is fired too
[16:38:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> fired up
[16:38:25] <marktraceur> Beat me to it.
[16:38:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is he fired up or fried up?
[16:39:01] <marktraceur> On the plus side, he has a good defense plan.
[16:39:08] <marktraceur> He just needs to make other countries Miss USA
[16:40:21] <marktraceur> missile defense plan* I guess.
[16:41:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt he be unable to use computers
[16:41:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> due to the accumilated static electricy?
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[16:42:18] <{soap|bed}> the new android software update says "listening to music at a louyd volume may damage your hearing" and turns the volume bar orange if you go more than 2/3 of the way
[16:42:43] <marktraceur> {soap|bed}: Yeah, it's annoying
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[17:14:28] <{soap|bed}> Trump is claiming to have invented the word [[symblematic]]
[17:14:35] <{soap|bed}> but i had it first
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[17:24:02] <{soap|bed}> ZZDoes anytone here pronounce UFO as 2 syllables? Just curious
[17:24:32] <kelapstick> You-Fo?
[17:24:40] <{soap|bed}> for some reason i always assumed it was a trait of New York City dialect
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[17:25:03] <{soap|bed}> i remember it was used in Archie Comics once, which is based in the NYC area
[17:25:08] <{soap|bed}> yeah
[17:25:16] <{soap|bed}> itd be /jufo/ in IPA
[17:25:30] <{soap|bed}> i know a lot of Euripean languages do it
[17:25:35] <{soap|bed}> but in person in English Ive only ever heard it spelled out as U F O
[17:25:53] <kelapstick> same here, except when referring to a Ufologist
[17:26:34] <TheMesquito> Well, its an acronym, so it should be speeled out
[17:26:46] <TheMesquito> spelled even
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[17:28:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} it seems to be in japanese that way too
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[17:28:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You-Fo sounds more japanese than english
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[17:28:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Did you know eleven out of ten UFO cases results with an abduction.
[17:29:26] <NotASpy> that's a claim we should probe.
[17:29:37] <{soap|bed}> ohj awesome
[17:30:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy sure
[17:30:05] <{soap|bed}> see this is why I looooove Chinese even though i dont speak it
[17:30:17] <{soap|bed}> Chinese for UFO is 幽浮. What does it mean? Its a compound of "mysterious, hidden" and "to float". i.e. mysterious floating object
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[17:30:31] <{soap|bed}> how do you pronounce it? yōufú
[17:31:13] <{soap|bed}> so it's perfect. One might even confuse it for a native Chinese word
[17:31:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} chinese dont have a special character for UFO?
[17:32:05] <{soap|bed}> it does seem though that htey also use the rather less elegant 不明飞行物 , which is pronounced "bùmíng fēixíngwù"
[17:32:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why not U+1F47D ?
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[17:32:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 飞_飞
[17:32:32] <{soap|bed}> "reserved code point"
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[17:32:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f47d/index.htm ?
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[17:33:09] <{soap|bed}> surprised the's no spaceship emoji
[17:33:16] <{soap|bed}> there's a rocket, thats the closest we get
[17:33:26] <{soap|bed}> oh
[17:33:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they want to make it ambigious you know
[17:33:34] <{soap|bed}> i hadnt thought to look for an emoji of an actual alien
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[17:34:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the only space ship we have is soyuz and chineze knock-ff atm
[17:34:18] <{soap|bed}> 👽
[17:34:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 👽_👽
[17:34:25] <{soap|bed}> odd that it isnt in my unicode lookup program
[17:34:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 👽👽👽
[17:34:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽
[17:34:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wheeee
[17:34:50] <NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: there's that spy baby shuttle thingy, the Xthing
[17:35:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> none of those have an actual crew
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[18:10:56] <darev> Hello!
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[18:30:34] <CyanoTex> CYDIA
[18:30:36] <CyanoTex> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/36/ScreenshotofCydia.jpg/320px-ScreenshotofCydia.jpg
[18:30:47] <foks> wut
[18:31:34] <CyanoTex> Ah, man, I remember using Cydia when I had an iPod Touch 2nd generation.
[18:31:54] <CyanoTex> Shame it's fate was cruel: Subjected to a washing when I didn't notice that it was in my pants.
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[18:32:11] <CyanoTex> Maybe it was for the best.
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[18:35:41] <{soap|bed}> when you wash an iPod touch, does it shrink into an iPod Nano?
[18:36:39] <git> yes
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[18:37:32] <ZeroSerenity> I think I might need a semi-protection. Can I get a second opinion first? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Sterling&action=history
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[18:40:45] <git> perhaps you should consider discussing it with the editor
[18:40:52] <git> rather than edit warring
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[18:42:38] <{soap|bed}> Due to the perceived extreme low quality of the games on Steam Greenlight, Sterling has been highly critical of the service's handling by Valve, asserting that the service is in dire need of quality control. <--hmm
[18:42:46] <{soap|bed}> i thoguht Greenlight was difficult to get and the games were top notch
[18:42:53] <ZeroSerenity> Ha!
[18:43:00] <{soap|bed}> did it change or was i wrong from the beginning?>
[18:43:25] <ZeroSerenity> Latter.
[18:43:31] <{soap|bed}> ok
[18:43:39] <{soap|bed}> well i must have only seen the best of the Greenlight games then
[18:43:50] <{soap|bed}> e.g. S\hovel Knight
[18:43:56] <git> no, it changed
[18:43:58] <{soap|bed}> Shovel Knight was good, right? pretty much we can all agree?
[18:44:12] <{soap|bed}> I mean, those of us that play platform games anyway
[18:44:19] <{soap|bed}> gah
[18:44:20] <git> at first you had to apply to be in it, i think
[18:44:26] <{soap|bed}> Shovel Knight wasnt even a Greenlight game, nebermind
[18:44:33] <git> now anyone who pays $100 can get on greenlight
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[18:46:35] <{soap|bed}> well OK
[18:46:56] <{soap|bed}> Five Nights at Freddy's was Greenlight. THAT game was surely a success we can all agree on even if it isnt the type of hgame we play
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[18:49:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hgame?
[18:49:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wait what?
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[20:38:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> can someone point me in the direction of our backlogs?
[20:38:53] <foks> http://en.wikipedia.org
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[20:40:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks for that specific example I would give you a barn star but I am more likely to throw it at you at great speed.
[20:40:40] <KimiNewt> barn shuriken
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[20:41:49] <foks> ToAruShiroiNeko, :D
[20:41:57] <foks> it's backlogs all the way down
[20:42:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no I seriously want to get quick statistics
[20:45:36] <foks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BACKLOG
[20:45:39] <foks> or something
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[21:00:08] <Iaaasi> I'd like to make an unban request, can an admin please restore my access to my talk page?
[21:00:59] <git> they probably have an email address listed
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[21:01:17] <git> http://enwp.org/WP:BASC i think
[21:02:08] <Iaaasi> git I already sent an e-mail on 10 Junw, but I did not get any verdict so far
[21:02:22] <Iaaasi> 10 June*
[21:02:49] <Iaaasi> I wonder why these requests are analyzed so slow
[21:03:17] <git> you're banned
[21:03:22] <git> you're not allowed to edit
[21:03:25] <git> at all
[21:04:13] <Iaaasi> git I don't understand your remark
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[21:05:00] <Anna_Frodesiak> could someone please check flickr for a free image for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bree_Newsome
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[21:05:27] <Iaaasi> git I know that I can't edit at all, that is why I request the restoration of my access to my talk page
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[21:05:57] <kelapstick> nothing Anna_Frodesiak
[21:06:12] <Anna_Frodesiak> ah, pity. thanks for checking. i'll see if i can write to her
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[21:09:21] <Iaaasi> I just want to inform everybody that Norden1990 was unblocked despite socking 2 days before his unblock request (if anybody cares)
[21:09:29] <git> it says it takes about six weeks to process
[21:09:32] <Anna_Frodesiak> done
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[21:12:32] <git> a year and two days, dear.
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[21:17:23] <Qcoder00> Iassi: wait
[21:17:50] <Qcoder00> And "OTHER PEOPLE DID STUFF" is not an unblock request
[21:19:48] <Iaaasi> Qcoder00> what do you mean?
[21:20:07] <Iaaasi> there are 2 different independent subjects
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[21:35:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ban_Appeals_Subcommittee?
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[21:35:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Is there a sub sub comittee?
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[22:29:32] <Raymie> Can someone tell me if this would be deleted or kept at AfD? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Hermosillo
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