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[00:04] <eve_> holoa
[00:04] <eve_> hola
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[00:43] <JamesEG> adios
[00:45] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: bye
[00:45] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: you brave soul
[00:45] <JamesEG> no, i meant to eve_
[00:46] <SigmaWP> oh
[00:46] <JamesEG> i did submit my edit, tried to be as non-confrontational while nudging the discussion in the right direction, which is that it's a pointless one.
[00:48] <JamesEG> besides, i forget who mentioned it, but (extrinsic) capitalism isn't even in opposition to socialism.
[00:48] <JamesEG> that's why the soviets failed.
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[00:48] <JamesEG> at least the way that I see it.
[00:49] <SigmaWP> we'll see what happens next then
[00:49] <JamesEG> i feel bad for CJK though. at least they didn't degrade to a shouting match, but they still couldn't see they were in the wrong.
[00:56] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: yeah :(
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[00:57] <ZeroSerenity> As for that picture, one of my operators fell down a pit.
[00:57] <JamesEG> stupid People's Front of Judea.
[00:57] <JamesEG> no, we're the People's Front of Judea!
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[00:58] <DustinVS> New RfA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Cyberpower678
[01:00] <SigmaWP> #canvassing
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[01:02] <JamesEG> is that a tweeter channel?
[01:03] <DustinVS> SigmaWP: Did I bias my link? No. How on Earth is this cancassing?
[01:03] <DustinVS> I haven't even given an opinion on that and probably never will.
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[01:03] <DustinVS> I just linked it FYI. What's wrong with that?
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[01:04] <JamesEG> everything. you're going up the river, Dusty.
[01:04] <SigmaWP> Geez, calm down
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[01:08] <DustinVS> I don't appreciate your accusation, so if you think I am overreacting, now you know why.
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[01:10] <JamesEG> you're raquel rico, Zero?
[01:11] <SigmaWP> I was kidding.
[01:12] <DustinVS> Sarcasm/jokes don't go the best in text only, so sorry if I misinterpreted you
[01:13] <DustinVS> I'm not that completely unhumorable person by the way, it's just the text thing
[01:16] <SigmaWP> Whoo.
[01:17] <SigmaWP> psh.
[01:17] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: 01:07, 3 July 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-555) . . Soviet Union (Undid revision 669710205 by Σ (talk) rv, this issue is heavily debated (see Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) and as such you have absolutely no right to force one view on the public) (current)
[01:17] <SigmaWP> look at this guy
[01:18] <SigmaWP> dem be fightin words
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[01:30] <JamesEG> why keep deleting that passage?
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[01:31] <JamesEG> does CJK disagree with a causal relationship?
[01:32] <SigmaWP> [16:34:59] <SigmaWP> : Yeah CJK is fucking batshit insane
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[02:57] <jubo2> SigmaWP: CJK is also delicious eats
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[03:02] <jubo2> Talking of which.. Wienerschnitzel Zeit
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[03:04] <JamesEG> kielbasa
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[03:08] <PontoCom_BR> hello.
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[03:11] <JamesEG> hi
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[03:47] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shades_of_red&action=history <-- some idiot keeps vandalizing
[03:47] <{Soap}> an IPv6 rangeblock would help, but Im not sure what's the good way to do that
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[04:22] <JamesEG> strange. curiously zealous; why are there some pages that get much attention?
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[06:35] <Chess> "Pending decision due June 26"
[06:35] <Chess> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Proposed_decision
[06:35] <Chess> it's July 3 where in the world is ArbCom
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[06:37] <Chess> ArbCom is late af
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[06:46] <Chess> GorillaWarfare: why ArbCom can't into decision
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[06:50] <Chess> OK what is this major stuff going on at wikipeeeeedia
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[07:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Chess, where in the world is ArbCom? Wherever Carmen Santiago is probably.
[07:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If I had to guess... Syria?
[07:14] <Chess> along with Waldo
[07:14] <Chess> Along the Oregon Trail
[07:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NO, Waldo is in canada.
[07:15] <Chess> remember you can't beat the Oregon trail on easy
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[07:15] <Chess> we need more of those games
[07:16] <Chess> wage guerilla warfare against the British
[07:16] <Chess> assassinate the fckers
[07:19] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[08:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Chess I think the british would not appreicate that
[08:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it may be easier to coax them with tea
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[08:33] <Chess> But the americannz will love it
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[08:37] <HelloMousie> Spitfire: i want a hug
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[08:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think Canadians care for such british hate
[08:41] <HelloMousie> Chess is Canadian?
[08:42] <Chess> you don't say
[08:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HelloMousie, I suggest changing your doctor
[08:43] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: I am confused and lack of sleep... I always thought Chess is Norwegian
[08:43] <HelloMousie> IS was whatever
[08:44] <Chess> I'm part norwegian
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[08:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I always thought Chess was a game native to India
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[08:47] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: do you smoke?
[08:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nop
[08:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the kind of insanity you here me is not influenced by smoking :p
[08:49] <HelloMousie> Reminds me of RCMP smoking pot
[08:49] <Chess> chess is not native to India
[08:49] <Chess> unless you enjoy using the vizier
[08:49] <HelloMousie> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-sorry-for-x-rated-chopper-talk-overheard-by-public-1.3123905
[08:49] <Chess> And no castling
[08:50] <HelloMousie> A Winnipeg woman who heard two police officers in a helicopter broadcast comments about oral sex — comments they made without realizing their public address system was on — says she wants them disciplined.
[08:50] <Chess> And no en passent
[08:50] <Chess> HelloMousie: Really sucks for the officers
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[08:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HelloMousie so they will recieve spanking?
[08:50] <HelloMousie> I sometimes wonder if ToAruShiroiNeko was in the military or something.
[08:51] <HelloMousie> Back to Star Wars
[08:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Nop
[08:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Not military.
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[09:01] <HelloMousie> Hi closedmouth been a while
[09:02] <closedmouth> you said that to me like two weeks ago
[09:02] <HelloMousie> I did?
[09:02] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: @PatOndabak @afixedaddress the only other words we could discern were "....too much body hair."
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[09:10] <HelloMousie> Anyone care to update me on Police in The Hague, Netherlands, detain 200 people for violating terms of curfew as unrest continues - @Reuters http://bit.ly/1GTUalH
[09:10] <HelloMousie> Whats happening in Ntherlands...
[09:11] <HelloMousie> I always miss out on the fun stuff
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[10:00] <HeloMousie> France refuses asylum request by Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, president's office says - @Reuters http://www.breakingnews.com/t/Bvk
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[12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomium&type=revision&diff=669764203&oldid=669466693
[12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am tempted to revert this
[12:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/9carney
[12:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this account is rather strange
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[12:13] <Penwhale> ... Well, considerign the fact that FoP doesn't exist in Belgium
[12:13] <Penwhale> that image probably needs to be nuked too
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[12:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale yes
[12:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_Round_Agreements_Act#Films_previously_in_the_public_domain <- when would these be PD?
[12:21] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: A work meeting these requirements is
[12:21] <Penwhale> protected ``for the remainder of the term of copyright that the work
[12:21] <Penwhale> would have otherwise been granted in the United States if the work
[12:21] <Penwhale> never entered the public domain in the United States.
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but copyright expires
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> when would be that?
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I want to show how much the date moved
[12:24] <Penwhale> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html#303
[12:24] <Penwhale> Dec 31 2047
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[12:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Error?
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[12:33] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: what error?
[12:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia one
[12:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it dissapeared
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[12:35] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: because I nuked it.
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you nuked wikipedia?
[12:35] <Penwhale> lol
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> dont nuke my wiki bro
[12:35] <Penwhale> nuked the image :p
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> image shall be exterminated
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[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2009/04/uraa-held-unconstitutional
[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WAT?
[12:43] <Migrant> anyone here who understand russian ?
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[13:04] <darev> Hello!
[13:04] <Migrant> Hello darev ?
[13:04] <Migrant> anyone here who understand russian ?
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[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> #wikipedia-ru ?
[13:08] <HelloMousie> No but... russavia used to seek for Russian speakers from grinder
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[14:54] <balrog> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birgitta_Jónsdóttir&type=revision&diff=669773190&oldid=657376415 -- looks like something that should have been picked up by cluebot?
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[15:00] <enterprisey> balrog: well, it wasn't their first edit, nor did it insert profanity or stuff commonly inserted by vandals
[15:00] <enterprisey> this is just me guessing about how cluebot works
[15:00] <Gangster> ?
[15:00] <balrog> ahh
[15:01] <balrog> their other edits were inserting the same text into related pages
[15:01] <Gangster> hello gandoo
[15:01] <Gangster> :D
[15:01] <balrog> (looks like they hit all three Icelandic Pirate Party MPs)
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[15:43] <Gangster> hello
[15:43] <Amortias> afternoon
[15:43] <Gangster> night here :D
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[15:44] <Amortias> i coudl say night but then people might think im going away :P
[15:44] <Gangster> :P
[15:44] <Gangster> how are you
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[15:45] <Amortias> according to latest test results im alive
[15:45] <Gangster> lol
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[15:46] <Amortias> yourself?
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[15:47] <Gangster> fine :) shine
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[15:47] <git> heh, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Design_ERA_Solutions&action=history
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[15:50] <LordServer> Total noob here; If someone asked you to leave them a message on their page, does that mean to go to their User Talk and start a new topic? That's what it looks like but that feels wrong.
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[15:51] <Amortias> Thats what they mean
[15:51] <LordServer> I'm sure everyone appreciates a noob who hesitates and asks for confirmation before any edits he's not 110% sure of. lo
[15:52] <Amortias> Much better to ask before you push a big red button than push a big red button and start World War 3
[15:52] <TheMesquito> Updates pls
[15:53] <Amortias> TheMesquito: Updates on what?
[15:53] <TheMesquito> 86kb/s on my system updates D:
[15:53] <Amortias> I'd loan you some of my bandwidth bt i dont think it works like that
[15:53] <TheMesquito> lol
[15:54] <TheMesquito> Updates always take a bit for some reason, maybe bad repos
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[15:56] <LordServer> could I ask a question about wikipedia back end that always made me curious, or is this room only for professional on-topic chat?
[15:56] <Amortias> Its about as professional and on topic as the guys who knock on your door saying your chimney needs repairing if im honest
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[15:56] <LordServer> lol I'm going to guess that that means not too much?
[15:57] <Amortias> question away no guarantee of an answer though
[15:57] <LordServer> Well... does the server compile/generate a new page each time it's accessed, instead of caching?
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[15:58] <LordServer> I made some sites for retailers who didn't change things too often where it ran php only when they made a change, and that php generated an html page, so they would get a much faster response and lower server use overall.
[15:59] <LordServer> But wikipedia gets constant edits so I wondered if it had to compile from data base each time
[16:01] <Amortias> not 100% sure but from what it looks like it would be cached, if youve ever had more than one person go in to change something at once the second person wont be able to edit once first ones saved, it reloads the new page and asks them to edit that one.
[16:01] <LordServer> That pause would be more in line with database locking.
[16:01] <LordServer> and not so much relevant to user access
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[16:02] <Amortias> true but its the best answer i can come up with, it wouldnt make sense to compile a new page if the database was always locking up
[16:03] <Amortias> in my opinion anyway
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[16:05] <LordServer> the database can be read without the need for locking. The only time you need to lock a database is when you intend to edit it
[16:05] <{soap|bed}> huh?
[16:06] <{soap|bed}> i thought they only time we lock the database is that 0.001% of the time when wikipedia has a problem and we have to temporarily shut down editing
[16:06] <{soap|bed}> or are you talking about something completely unmrelated?
[16:06] <Amortias> different locking
[16:06] <LordServer> taling about preventing two people from editing at the same time
[16:06] <LordServer> which you obviously want to prevent because that would just make a giant mess.
[16:06] <Amortias> when you make an edit it locks the page to that version of whoever saves it first
[16:06] <Amortias> hence edit conflicts
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[16:06] <{soap|bed}> i vaguely remember old old old wikipedia having messages like "you cannot edit this page, someone else already is" but that was fixed way early on
[16:07] <{soap|bed}> although yes, i guess we still have edit conflicts
[16:07] <LordServer> My original question though was about when the database is read for user access
[16:07] <{soap|bed}> i think a fix for edit conflicts exists, but the devs wont implement it because oince in a while it fails and deletes the edit ,and at least the setup we have now saves the text that didnt make it
[16:07] <LordServer> because those conflicts are about *reading* the database it doesn't really give us a hint as to how it's being done
[16:08] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: hey!
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[16:10] <{soap|bed}> hi
[16:10] <{soap|bed}> how are you?
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[16:11] <Amortias> LordServer: I think we can guess a fair bit but your best bet might be to go to the reference desk see if you can draw the attention of an employee (former or otherwise)
[16:11] <{soap|bed}> there's also #wikimedia-tech if you prefer IRC
[16:12] <LordServer> lol don't want to bug them. It has just been a curiosity for years now
[16:12] <Amortias> damn it was just looking that up
[16:12] <LordServer> and google doesn't point me at an answer, which always makes me more curious
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[16:13] <Amortias> Its all a conspiracy to hide the fact that Wikimedias servers run on the souls of the faithless
[16:13] <LordServer> lol
[16:13] <git> well i mean it is mysql
[16:13] <git> so that's not too far from the truth
[16:14] <LordServer> it would just use up a *lot* of processing while slowing the whole thing down if you're reading mySQL and compiling that into html each time
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[16:14] <Amortias> might explain why we get server too busy to process messages from time to time though
[16:14] <LordServer> and I'm aware that if PHP is running a database call it can't just be cached
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[16:16] <LordServer> But when I did my infinitely smaller projects there were issues with how to make sure the page was reloaded by the user's browser after an edit instead of using the cached version, and the rapid edits by wikipedia would make my workaround fail
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[16:34] <geniice> So has the WMF pointed at reddit to show they aren't that bad at community relations yet?
[16:34] <foks> haw haw
[16:36] <Amortias> tink it might be a bit of a kick in the teeth but we do seem to be doing ok dont we
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[16:40] <{soap|bed}> is reddit still full of chaos over the deletions of the fatpeoplehate etc boards? or is it beyond that?
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[16:41] <Amortias> staff member got let go
[16:41] <Amortias> community has responded
[16:41] <Qcoder00> And the reddit clique did not like it
[16:41] <Qcoder00> (the firing)
[16:41] <Qcoder00> From what I hear
[16:41] <Qcoder00> hi Amortias
[16:42] <{soap|bed}> An Internet insurrection is taking place on Reddit, where moderators have shut down many of the social sharing site's most popular sections in an apparent protest over the dismissal of Victoria Taylor. Once word of Taylor's firing began to spread, moderators of other popular sections that cover movies, science, gaming and a host of others, also went private, making much of Reddit
[16:42] <{soap|bed}> essentially useless to regular site visitors.
[16:42] <TheCrypticName> Yeah reddit has a bunch of new drama lol
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[16:52] <Qcoder00> What a shame a clique is holding the site operators to ransom
[16:52] <Qcoder00> over what was preusmably a commercial decision
[16:54] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: doing okay, you?
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[16:56] <TheMesquito> Qcoder00: Well, its not that mostly, its a whole slew of things the reddit admins have done, namely not have any contact with mods of subreddits when they need help or have questions and basicly ignoreing any pull requests on the github page for reddit
[16:57] <Qcoder00> Who runs reddit?
[16:57] <Qcoder00> :)
[16:58] <TheMesquito> Qcoder00: Think of it like if the WMF just ignored admins on en.wiki when they ask something about an admin tool or see if they can improve one
[16:59] <Qcoder00> Ah you mean like the VE fiascon?
[17:00] <TheMesquito> Essentially, reddit admins are not listing to users that make there site run smoothly
[17:00] <LordServer> given the nature of reddit, they make it run at all
[17:01] <Qcoder00> I've ben told elsewhere that's there a mod clique that's holding back reddit
[17:01] <Qcoder00> from developing outside it's "geeky" demiogrpahic
[17:01] <TheMesquito> Qcoder00: No, not at all
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[17:01] <TheMesquito> Mostly it is due to the reddit admins not caring about users who make the site run
[17:02] <LordServer> ... There could easily be a situation where both sides' stories are mostly true, no?
[17:02] <Qcoder00> There's also a concern that reddit's about to change it's policy on some issues andn start cracking down on controversial channels
[17:02] <Qcoder00> and redits
[17:03] <TheMesquito> That has a bit of truth, but it is highly convoluted
[17:04] <TheMesquito> But seeing as we still have coontown and greatapes, i dont think that is fully true, they are only banning subreddits who engage in harassment outsitde of there subreddit
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[17:07] <geniice> Thats not really relivant to current events
[17:08] <TheMesquito> No, that drama ship sailed a while back
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[17:24] <{soap|bed}> hmm i;d say reddit has expanded quite impressively
[17:24] <{soap|bed}> most reddit users that i know in person definitely arent stereotypical "geeks"
[17:25] <{soap|bed}> basically reddit users are just like other Internet users now, which is probably at least half the adult population
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[17:36] <git> !admin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakgrove_School has some maybe blp violations in the history, lots of vandalism the last few days
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[17:57] <{soap|bed}> yeah im just posting to cplain some more about AndroIRC
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[17:58] <{soap|bed}> it ate up1.1GB of data in justr a day due to a malfunciton so Im dleeting it and I wont be on AndroIRC anymorep robably ever. if i do, its over wifi. Carrier wouldnt void the overage charge because Im on a discontinued plan paying far lower than what others pau. I dont blame 'em. Theyre in fact far far more generous than I expected. I do blame AndroIRC though
[17:59] <{soap|bed}> thank you Yunshui fdor protecting that schoool
[17:59] <{soap|bed}> i wonder if's a 12 month school?
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[18:00] <{soap|bed}> school's out for sure in the USA except for a few very unlickly school districts that either had like forty snow days or just like to keep kids inside so they dont get in trouble
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[18:01] <{soap|bed}> there was someplace in California a few years back where they said "oh by the way, due to a technicality, we're adding a couple of months to this school year with no compensation for any of the teachers. You'll get out in the middle of August. Deal with it"
[18:02] <{soap|bed}> the teachers vowed to protest it by just declaring all the summer days field trip days and letting anyone skip school of they chose. i didnt follow the story to see what came of it when it actually happpened though
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[18:29] <TParis> lol Hey
[18:30] <Penwhale> how be you, TParis?
[18:30] <TParis> Ohh, fairing a bit better than you are, I imagine...Arbcom has it's hands full I see
[18:31] <TParis> I just know you're enjoying being a Clerk at the moment :)
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[18:35] <Headbomb> could san admin please db-move https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_TUGS/Article_alerts
[18:35] <Headbomb> it's fairly urgent in that there is a bot run going on and it needs to be deleted before the bot edits it
[18:37] <TParis> You might use the ! word
[18:37] <Headbomb> i suppose i could
[18:37] <Amortias> isnt bird the word?
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[18:38] <Headbomb> !admin could an admin please db-move https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_TUGS/Article_alerts, it's fairly urgent in that there is a bot run going on and it needs to be deleted before the bot edits it
[18:38] <jackmcbarn> looking
[18:39] <jackmcbarn> done
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[18:39] <Headbomb> thanks!
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[18:39] <jackmcbarn> yay for edit conflict
[18:39] <jackmcbarn> now to find out where the revisions all went
[18:39] <jackmcbarn> move conflicts suck
[18:40] <jackmcbarn> Headbomb: can you make sure that the revision history is what you expect it to be?
[18:41] <Headbomb> jackmcbarn, looks fine
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[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis yo
[18:50] <TParis> sup
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its been a while
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[18:50] <TParis> I dont come around much anymore
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale you are an arbcom clerk? Why would you do this to yourself?
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis yah you have been missed by a certain white cat
[18:52] <Penwhale> TParis: ehehe
[18:52] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: ... I've been an arbcom clerk longer than I was an admin
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> really?
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so you made it admin, congrats
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have been distracted by school for a few years and a lot seemingly have changed since
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale they did not make me an admin while I was gone :p
[18:56] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko.... you know, I got made an admin in 2007?
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Woha
[18:56] <{soap|bed}> bbl
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly I do not pay attention to it much
[18:56] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: lol
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I kinda suck it seems.
[18:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I should run for adminship to see how quickly I break the oppose record. :)
[18:57] <Penwhale> Kuroko worst pairing with Mikoto
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[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale why do you think people hate my adminship prospect so much?
[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do they fear I may actualy be useful?
[19:00] <Penwhale> How many times did you go under RFA?
[19:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 4
[19:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> last one was probably 5 years ago though
[19:00] <Penwhale> so... try
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> No last one was in 2007
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[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> btw https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomium&action=history
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I was reverted by 9carney
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this article is in the News by jombo giving it as an example why we need FOP
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *jimbo
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he re-uploaded the file too
[19:02] <Penwhale> urgh...
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[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh he reverted someone else as well
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so ultimately he reuploaded the image
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[19:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale what do you think?
[19:08] <Penwhale> discussing it with other people atm
[19:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh ok
[19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he is doing this to upset jimbo probably
[19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> upload came after his article on the independent
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[19:43] <Qcoder00> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomium_320_by_240_CCBY20_flickr_Mike_Cattell_v2.jpg The licens there says proposed bulding
[19:43] <Qcoder00> We know it's alreayd been built so the license claim might be invalid
[19:44] <Qcoder00> Also - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomium&oldid=669809858 That's very strong
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[19:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wow this article is in a sorry state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahrawi_Arab_Democratic_Republic
[19:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale if you like I can join the discussion
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[19:49] <git> hi can someone block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Safasolahart
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[19:52] <Symmachus> git: I can't block them, of course, but I did CSD their user page.
[19:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whats the issue?
[19:56] <Symmachus> ToAruShiroiNeko: Promotional user, erasing Book:Wikipedia and replacing it with their business contact info.
[19:57] <Symmachus> Two edits, doing that, outside their user space, which contains the same info.
[19:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
[19:58] <Symmachus> It's not even in English; fairly sure it's a Dravidian or Austronesian language.
[19:58] <Penwhale> I got to those deletions
[19:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> our local Penwhale is on the job
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[19:58] <Symmachus> Awesomeness.
[19:58] <Qcoder00> You do not Delete the "Book of Wikipedia"!
[19:59] <Qcoder00> "For he that defileth the record shall fell thrice the rejection of their sins...."
[19:59] <Penwhale> as for the pictures on Atomium... ToAruShiroiNeko: send email to legal@
[19:59] <Penwhale> picture may pass FoP-USOnly, but... there does exist that chilling effects entry
[19:59] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: that is, https://www.chillingeffects.org/notices/1800
[20:02] <Symmachus> Penwhale: I had no idea you were an admin until now. Ha.
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[20:04] <Penwhale> Symmachus: a lot of people seem to be surprised by it. somehow.
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[20:07] <Symmachus> Penwhale: Nah. Just don't believe I've heard you mention something particular to adminship is all. :) Not that I can recall, at least.
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[20:07] <Qcoder00> Ninja
[20:07] <Qcoder00> ;)
[20:08] <SigmaWP> TParis: literally fascist
�06[20:08] * SigmaWP sweats
[20:08] <Qcoder00> You only see the resulyts :)
[20:08] <Symmachus> Qcoder00: Apparently!
[20:08] <MJ94> TParis: hi
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[20:09] <MJ94> SigmaWP: hi
[20:09] <SigmaWP> hi
[20:09] <MJ94> SigmaWP: y u sweatin
[20:09] <SigmaWP> im pregnant
[20:09] <SigmaWP> <!3
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[20:13] <SigmaWP> TParis: long time no see, so i'm going to say hi before you disappear for a million year slumber again :P
[20:14] <Qcoder00> SigmaWP: Congratualtions. Due when?
[20:15] <SigmaWP> due tomorrow, do tomorrow
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[20:25] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: Hi! Are you around?
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[20:25] <GorillaWarfare> I am!
[20:26] <git> GorillaWarfare: did you have a good birthday?
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[20:26] <GorillaWarfare> git: I did! Did you?
[20:26] <git> t'wasn't bad
[20:27] <git> i don't actually remember what it involved
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> heh
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> Doing it right
[20:27] <git> ... but it wasn't drinking
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> :P
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> I started a job several days after my 21st birthday, and some of my coworkers asked how it was
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> I made the mistake of saying the same thing
[20:28] <GorillaWarfare> And then had to spend quite a while trying to convince them that no, I'm just forgetful
[20:28] <MJ94> I don't drink, I'm just naturally forgetful.
[20:28] <git> ^
[20:29] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: I had something to ask you, but I may have found an answer...I'll let you know :P
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[20:30] <GorillaWarfare> Okeydoke
[20:30] <GorillaWarfare> I'll be around
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[20:33] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: May I PM you?
[20:33] <GorillaWarfare> Anytime
[20:33] <GorillaWarfare> No need to ask
[20:34] <git> i registered for classes at uni like two days ago, and i just got an email from the head of the cs department with job openings
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[20:34] <git> i think i'm going to like him
[20:35] <MJ94> I got an email from Google saying a Googler submitted my résumé and may have found a spot on the team I may like to apply for.
[20:35] <MJ94> They said they'd get back to me in 2 weeks.
[20:35] <MJ94> It's been 10 days.
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[20:37] <git> MJ94: i realized a few weeks ago that i might've submitted the wrong resume to a couple companies
[20:37] <git> as in, not mine
[20:38] <MJ94> ...how'd so did they get the job? ;)
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[20:39] <git> idk if they did it's probably a downgrade
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[20:49] <git> okay, i know there are people that use OS X in here. i have a queestion for you. what browser do you use, and what's its average energy impact?
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[20:53] <MJ94> git: Chrome.
[20:53] <MJ94> 824 MB memory right now.
[20:54] <git> energy impact
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[20:58] <foks> I use three
[20:59] <foks> chrome's on about 26.4, Safari 10.5 and FF's on 5
[20:59] <foks> though FF is mostly just for Chatzilla
[21:00] <git> ...average energy impact?
[21:01] <git> because mine is like 1500
[21:01] <git> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxufbzhogj6s7dx/Screenshot%202015-07-03%2016.01.27.png?dl=0
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[21:07] <foks> git, holy fuck
[21:08] <foks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pidm66llxcfeuk1/Screenshot%202015-07-03%2014.08.12.png?dl=0
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[21:09] <git> um
[21:09] <git> i must be doing something wrong then O_o
[21:09] <git> unless energy impact depends on the hardware?
[21:09] <foks> god knows
[21:09] <foks> might be a bug
[21:10] <Qcoder00> Chrome has leaks
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[21:19] <foks> on OSX, certainly
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[21:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I literaly expected a photo of a physical impact :p
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[22:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Any USians that is going to attend wikimania here?
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[22:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> North Korean space scientist to U.S. people: 'Trust us'
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[23:03] <TParis> SigmaWP - did you see my complete destruction of your argument?
�06[23:04] * MJ94 grabs popcorn.
�06[23:04] * MJ94 opens Cyber's RfA,
[23:04] <TParis> You may need to report to the burn unit after that
[23:06] <MJ94> TParis: link to RfA for the lazy?
[23:06] <Qcoder00> Might go offline suddenly
[23:07] <Qcoder00> Hearing thunder
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[23:07] <TParis> I don't want to post it, MJ94, I don't want to be accused of canvassing. Would've preferred not even mentioning it.
[23:07] <TParis> Qcoder00: Stay safe
[23:07] <TParis> I loved me a good thunderstorm when I lived in Texas
[23:08] <MJ94> TParis: pretty sure it's not canvassing if I specifically ask for it :P
[23:08] <TParis> Yeah, but tons of other people havent :P
�06[23:08] * ToAruShiroiNeko accuses TParis of using a canvas
[23:08] <TParis> sent it over PM
[23:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection! The canvas is a lie.
[23:08] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: What I do in my sexy time is none of your business :P
[23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Please do not tell me you are pricolo v2
[23:09] <TParis> lol
[23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lie if you have to
[23:09] <TParis> Gotta find inspiration somewhere
[23:09] <TParis> No, no, I'm not pricolo v2
[23:10] <TParis> So where is SigmaWP, is he ignoring me?
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[23:10] <MJ94> TParis: Your comment seems a bit BITEy.
[23:10] <MJ94> Not really friendly.
[23:11] <TParis> On SigmaWP? I'm sure he'll be fine.
[23:12] <TParis> The tools Cyber is running are on their 4th or 5th interation of developers. And each developer has added their own suite of tools and frameworks. It's a huge conglamorate of scripts. I don't know of anyone that is running anything that matches.
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[23:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: I don't see any destructed arguments
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[23:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: I do see, however, someone trying to destroy an argument with fallacies
[23:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: Also I wasn't here.
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[23:32] <TParis> SigmaWP: Only fallacy I see is trying to compare the number of bug reports you get (and the limited scope, size, and usage of your scripts) to Cyber
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[23:33] <SigmaWP> What kind of fallacy is that, then?
[23:33] <SigmaWP> Where does that claim arise?
[23:34] <TParis> On the surface, it's an anecdotal fallacy
[23:35] <MJ94> Does MusikAnimal use IRC?
[23:35] <TParis> Ooo, the article on fallacies also lists "Affirming the consequent" 'If Cyber is a bad maintainer, he'll have bugs. He has bugs, therefore he is a bad maintainer.'
[23:36] <MJ94> SigmaWP: TParis can you two take your bickering elsewhere, please?
[23:37] <TParis> We're not bickering. We're got a lot of history together, this is playful banter at worst.
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[23:39] <MJ94> TParis: Fair enough.
[23:39] <MJ94> Cyber's RfA is the first RfA I just don't know which side I fall into.
[23:39] <TParis> The side of goodness.
[23:40] <MJ94> TParis: probably neutral, but idk
[23:40] <TParis> Sounds like you hate puppies...
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[00:04] <eve_> holoa
[00:04] <eve_> hola
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[00:43] <JamesEG> adios
[00:45] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: bye
[00:45] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: you brave soul
[00:45] <JamesEG> no, i meant to eve_
[00:46] <SigmaWP> oh
[00:46] <JamesEG> i did submit my edit, tried to be as non-confrontational while nudging the discussion in the right direction, which is that it's a pointless one.
[00:48] <JamesEG> besides, i forget who mentioned it, but (extrinsic) capitalism isn't even in opposition to socialism.
[00:48] <JamesEG> that's why the soviets failed.
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[00:48] <JamesEG> at least the way that I see it.
[00:49] <SigmaWP> we'll see what happens next then
[00:49] <JamesEG> i feel bad for CJK though. at least they didn't degrade to a shouting match, but they still couldn't see they were in the wrong.
[00:56] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: yeah :(
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[00:57] <ZeroSerenity> As for that picture, one of my operators fell down a pit.
[00:57] <JamesEG> stupid People's Front of Judea.
[00:57] <JamesEG> no, we're the People's Front of Judea!
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[00:58] <DustinVS> New RfA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Cyberpower678
[01:00] <SigmaWP> #canvassing
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[01:02] <JamesEG> is that a tweeter channel?
[01:03] <DustinVS> SigmaWP: Did I bias my link? No. How on Earth is this cancassing?
[01:03] <DustinVS> I haven't even given an opinion on that and probably never will.
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[01:03] <DustinVS> I just linked it FYI. What's wrong with that?
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[01:04] <JamesEG> everything. you're going up the river, Dusty.
[01:04] <SigmaWP> Geez, calm down
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[01:08] <DustinVS> I don't appreciate your accusation, so if you think I am overreacting, now you know why.
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[01:10] <JamesEG> you're raquel rico, Zero?
[01:11] <SigmaWP> I was kidding.
[01:12] <DustinVS> Sarcasm/jokes don't go the best in text only, so sorry if I misinterpreted you
[01:13] <DustinVS> I'm not that completely unhumorable person by the way, it's just the text thing
[01:16] <SigmaWP> Whoo.
[01:17] <SigmaWP> psh.
[01:17] <SigmaWP> JamesEG: 01:07, 3 July 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-555) . . Soviet Union (Undid revision 669710205 by Σ (talk) rv, this issue is heavily debated (see Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) and as such you have absolutely no right to force one view on the public) (current)
[01:17] <SigmaWP> look at this guy
[01:18] <SigmaWP> dem be fightin words
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[01:30] <JamesEG> why keep deleting that passage?
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[01:31] <JamesEG> does CJK disagree with a causal relationship?
[01:32] <SigmaWP> [16:34:59] <SigmaWP> : Yeah CJK is fucking batshit insane
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[02:57] <jubo2> SigmaWP: CJK is also delicious eats
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[03:02] <jubo2> Talking of which.. Wienerschnitzel Zeit
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[03:04] <JamesEG> kielbasa
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[03:08] <PontoCom_BR> hello.
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[03:11] <JamesEG> hi
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[03:47] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shades_of_red&action=history <-- some idiot keeps vandalizing
[03:47] <{Soap}> an IPv6 rangeblock would help, but Im not sure what's the good way to do that
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[04:22] <JamesEG> strange. curiously zealous; why are there some pages that get much attention?
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[06:35] <Chess> "Pending decision due June 26"
[06:35] <Chess> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Proposed_decision
[06:35] <Chess> it's July 3 where in the world is ArbCom
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[06:37] <Chess> ArbCom is late af
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[06:46] <Chess> GorillaWarfare: why ArbCom can't into decision
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[06:50] <Chess> OK what is this major stuff going on at wikipeeeeedia
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[07:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Chess, where in the world is ArbCom? Wherever Carmen Santiago is probably.
[07:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If I had to guess... Syria?
[07:14] <Chess> along with Waldo
[07:14] <Chess> Along the Oregon Trail
[07:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NO, Waldo is in canada.
[07:15] <Chess> remember you can't beat the Oregon trail on easy
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[07:15] <Chess> we need more of those games
[07:16] <Chess> wage guerilla warfare against the British
[07:16] <Chess> assassinate the fckers
[07:19] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[08:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Chess I think the british would not appreicate that
[08:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it may be easier to coax them with tea
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[08:33] <Chess> But the americannz will love it
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[08:37] <HelloMousie> Spitfire: i want a hug
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[08:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think Canadians care for such british hate
[08:41] <HelloMousie> Chess is Canadian?
[08:42] <Chess> you don't say
[08:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HelloMousie, I suggest changing your doctor
[08:43] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: I am confused and lack of sleep... I always thought Chess is Norwegian
[08:43] <HelloMousie> IS was whatever
[08:44] <Chess> I'm part norwegian
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[08:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I always thought Chess was a game native to India
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[08:47] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: do you smoke?
[08:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nop
[08:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the kind of insanity you here me is not influenced by smoking :p
[08:49] <HelloMousie> Reminds me of RCMP smoking pot
[08:49] <Chess> chess is not native to India
[08:49] <Chess> unless you enjoy using the vizier
[08:49] <HelloMousie> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-sorry-for-x-rated-chopper-talk-overheard-by-public-1.3123905
[08:49] <Chess> And no castling
[08:50] <HelloMousie> A Winnipeg woman who heard two police officers in a helicopter broadcast comments about oral sex — comments they made without realizing their public address system was on — says she wants them disciplined.
[08:50] <Chess> And no en passent
[08:50] <Chess> HelloMousie: Really sucks for the officers
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[08:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HelloMousie so they will recieve spanking?
[08:50] <HelloMousie> I sometimes wonder if ToAruShiroiNeko was in the military or something.
[08:51] <HelloMousie> Back to Star Wars
[08:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Nop
[08:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Not military.
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[09:01] <HelloMousie> Hi closedmouth been a while
[09:02] <closedmouth> you said that to me like two weeks ago
[09:02] <HelloMousie> I did?
[09:02] <HelloMousie> ToAruShiroiNeko: @PatOndabak @afixedaddress the only other words we could discern were "....too much body hair."
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[09:10] <HelloMousie> Anyone care to update me on Police in The Hague, Netherlands, detain 200 people for violating terms of curfew as unrest continues - @Reuters http://bit.ly/1GTUalH
[09:10] <HelloMousie> Whats happening in Ntherlands...
[09:11] <HelloMousie> I always miss out on the fun stuff
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[12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomium&type=revision&diff=669764203&oldid=669466693
[12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am tempted to revert this
[12:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/9carney
[12:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this account is rather strange
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[12:13] <Penwhale> ... Well, considerign the fact that FoP doesn't exist in Belgium
[12:13] <Penwhale> that image probably needs to be nuked too
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[12:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale yes
[12:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_Round_Agreements_Act#Films_previously_in_the_public_domain <- when would these be PD?
[12:21] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: A work meeting these requirements is
[12:21] <Penwhale> protected ``for the remainder of the term of copyright that the work
[12:21] <Penwhale> would have otherwise been granted in the United States if the work
[12:21] <Penwhale> never entered the public domain in the United States.
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but copyright expires
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> when would be that?
[12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I want to show how much the date moved
[12:24] <Penwhale> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html#303
[12:24] <Penwhale> Dec 31 2047
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[12:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Error?
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[12:33] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: what error?
[12:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia one
[12:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it dissapeared
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[12:35] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: because I nuked it.
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you nuked wikipedia?
[12:35] <Penwhale> lol
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> dont nuke my wiki bro
[12:35] <Penwhale> nuked the image :p
[12:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> image shall be exterminated
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[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2009/04/uraa-held-unconstitutional
[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WAT?
[12:43] <Migrant> anyone here who understand russian ?
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[13:04] <darev> Hello!
[13:04] <Migrant> Hello darev ?
[13:04] <Migrant> anyone here who understand russian ?
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[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> #wikipedia-ru ?
[13:08] <HelloMousie> No but... russavia used to seek for Russian speakers from grinder
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[14:54] <balrog> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birgitta_Jónsdóttir&type=revision&diff=669773190&oldid=657376415 -- looks like something that should have been picked up by cluebot?
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[15:00] <enterprisey> balrog: well, it wasn't their first edit, nor did it insert profanity or stuff commonly inserted by vandals
[15:00] <enterprisey> this is just me guessing about how cluebot works
[15:00] <Gangster> ?
[15:00] <balrog> ahh
[15:01] <balrog> their other edits were inserting the same text into related pages
[15:01] <Gangster> hello gandoo
[15:01] <Gangster> :D
[15:01] <balrog> (looks like they hit all three Icelandic Pirate Party MPs)
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[15:43] <Gangster> hello
[15:43] <Amortias> afternoon
[15:43] <Gangster> night here :D
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[15:44] <Amortias> i coudl say night but then people might think im going away :P
[15:44] <Gangster> :P
[15:44] <Gangster> how are you
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[15:45] <Amortias> according to latest test results im alive
[15:45] <Gangster> lol
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[15:46] <Amortias> yourself?
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[15:47] <Gangster> fine :) shine
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[15:47] <git> heh, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Design_ERA_Solutions&action=history
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[15:50] <LordServer> Total noob here; If someone asked you to leave them a message on their page, does that mean to go to their User Talk and start a new topic? That's what it looks like but that feels wrong.
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[15:51] <Amortias> Thats what they mean
[15:51] <LordServer> I'm sure everyone appreciates a noob who hesitates and asks for confirmation before any edits he's not 110% sure of. lo
[15:52] <Amortias> Much better to ask before you push a big red button than push a big red button and start World War 3
[15:52] <TheMesquito> Updates pls
[15:53] <Amortias> TheMesquito: Updates on what?
[15:53] <TheMesquito> 86kb/s on my system updates D:
[15:53] <Amortias> I'd loan you some of my bandwidth bt i dont think it works like that
[15:53] <TheMesquito> lol
[15:54] <TheMesquito> Updates always take a bit for some reason, maybe bad repos
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[15:56] <LordServer> could I ask a question about wikipedia back end that always made me curious, or is this room only for professional on-topic chat?
[15:56] <Amortias> Its about as professional and on topic as the guys who knock on your door saying your chimney needs repairing if im honest
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[15:56] <LordServer> lol I'm going to guess that that means not too much?
[15:57] <Amortias> question away no guarantee of an answer though
[15:57] <LordServer> Well... does the server compile/generate a new page each time it's accessed, instead of caching?
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[15:58] <LordServer> I made some sites for retailers who didn't change things too often where it ran php only when they made a change, and that php generated an html page, so they would get a much faster response and lower server use overall.
[15:59] <LordServer> But wikipedia gets constant edits so I wondered if it had to compile from data base each time
[16:01] <Amortias> not 100% sure but from what it looks like it would be cached, if youve ever had more than one person go in to change something at once the second person wont be able to edit once first ones saved, it reloads the new page and asks them to edit that one.
[16:01] <LordServer> That pause would be more in line with database locking.
[16:01] <LordServer> and not so much relevant to user access
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[16:02] <Amortias> true but its the best answer i can come up with, it wouldnt make sense to compile a new page if the database was always locking up
[16:03] <Amortias> in my opinion anyway
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[16:05] <LordServer> the database can be read without the need for locking. The only time you need to lock a database is when you intend to edit it
[16:05] <{soap|bed}> huh?
[16:06] <{soap|bed}> i thought they only time we lock the database is that 0.001% of the time when wikipedia has a problem and we have to temporarily shut down editing
[16:06] <{soap|bed}> or are you talking about something completely unmrelated?
[16:06] <Amortias> different locking
[16:06] <LordServer> taling about preventing two people from editing at the same time
[16:06] <LordServer> which you obviously want to prevent because that would just make a giant mess.
[16:06] <Amortias> when you make an edit it locks the page to that version of whoever saves it first
[16:06] <Amortias> hence edit conflicts
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[16:06] <{soap|bed}> i vaguely remember old old old wikipedia having messages like "you cannot edit this page, someone else already is" but that was fixed way early on
[16:07] <{soap|bed}> although yes, i guess we still have edit conflicts
[16:07] <LordServer> My original question though was about when the database is read for user access
[16:07] <{soap|bed}> i think a fix for edit conflicts exists, but the devs wont implement it because oince in a while it fails and deletes the edit ,and at least the setup we have now saves the text that didnt make it
[16:07] <LordServer> because those conflicts are about *reading* the database it doesn't really give us a hint as to how it's being done
[16:08] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: hey!
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[16:10] <{soap|bed}> hi
[16:10] <{soap|bed}> how are you?
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[16:11] <Amortias> LordServer: I think we can guess a fair bit but your best bet might be to go to the reference desk see if you can draw the attention of an employee (former or otherwise)
[16:11] <{soap|bed}> there's also #wikimedia-tech if you prefer IRC
[16:12] <LordServer> lol don't want to bug them. It has just been a curiosity for years now
[16:12] <Amortias> damn it was just looking that up
[16:12] <LordServer> and google doesn't point me at an answer, which always makes me more curious
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[16:13] <Amortias> Its all a conspiracy to hide the fact that Wikimedias servers run on the souls of the faithless
[16:13] <LordServer> lol
[16:13] <git> well i mean it is mysql
[16:13] <git> so that's not too far from the truth
[16:14] <LordServer> it would just use up a *lot* of processing while slowing the whole thing down if you're reading mySQL and compiling that into html each time
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[16:14] <Amortias> might explain why we get server too busy to process messages from time to time though
[16:14] <LordServer> and I'm aware that if PHP is running a database call it can't just be cached
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[16:16] <LordServer> But when I did my infinitely smaller projects there were issues with how to make sure the page was reloaded by the user's browser after an edit instead of using the cached version, and the rapid edits by wikipedia would make my workaround fail
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[16:34] <geniice> So has the WMF pointed at reddit to show they aren't that bad at community relations yet?
[16:34] <foks> haw haw
[16:36] <Amortias> tink it might be a bit of a kick in the teeth but we do seem to be doing ok dont we
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[16:40] <{soap|bed}> is reddit still full of chaos over the deletions of the fatpeoplehate etc boards? or is it beyond that?
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[16:41] <Amortias> staff member got let go
[16:41] <Amortias> community has responded
[16:41] <Qcoder00> And the reddit clique did not like it
[16:41] <Qcoder00> (the firing)
[16:41] <Qcoder00> From what I hear
[16:41] <Qcoder00> hi Amortias
[16:42] <{soap|bed}> An Internet insurrection is taking place on Reddit, where moderators have shut down many of the social sharing site's most popular sections in an apparent protest over the dismissal of Victoria Taylor. Once word of Taylor's firing began to spread, moderators of other popular sections that cover movies, science, gaming and a host of others, also went private, making much of Reddit
[16:42] <{soap|bed}> essentially useless to regular site visitors.
[16:42] <TheCrypticName> Yeah reddit has a bunch of new drama lol
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[16:52] <Qcoder00> What a shame a clique is holding the site operators to ransom
[16:52] <Qcoder00> over what was preusmably a commercial decision
[16:54] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: doing okay, you?
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[16:56] <TheMesquito> Qcoder00: Well, its not that mostly, its a whole slew of things the reddit admins have done, namely not have any contact with mods of subreddits when they need help or have questions and basicly ignoreing any pull requests on the github page for reddit
[16:57] <Qcoder00> Who runs reddit?
[16:57] <Qcoder00> :)
[16:58] <TheMesquito> Qcoder00: Think of it like if the WMF just ignored admins on en.wiki when they ask something about an admin tool or see if they can improve one
[16:59] <Qcoder00> Ah you mean like the VE fiascon?
[17:00] <TheMesquito> Essentially, reddit admins are not listing to users that make there site run smoothly
[17:00] <LordServer> given the nature of reddit, they make it run at all
[17:01] <Qcoder00> I've ben told elsewhere that's there a mod clique that's holding back reddit
[17:01] <Qcoder00> from developing outside it's "geeky" demiogrpahic
[17:01] <TheMesquito> Qcoder00: No, not at all
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[17:01] <TheMesquito> Mostly it is due to the reddit admins not caring about users who make the site run
[17:02] <LordServer> ... There could easily be a situation where both sides' stories are mostly true, no?
[17:02] <Qcoder00> There's also a concern that reddit's about to change it's policy on some issues andn start cracking down on controversial channels
[17:02] <Qcoder00> and redits
[17:03] <TheMesquito> That has a bit of truth, but it is highly convoluted
[17:04] <TheMesquito> But seeing as we still have coontown and greatapes, i dont think that is fully true, they are only banning subreddits who engage in harassment outsitde of there subreddit
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[17:07] <geniice> Thats not really relivant to current events
[17:08] <TheMesquito> No, that drama ship sailed a while back
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[17:24] <{soap|bed}> hmm i;d say reddit has expanded quite impressively
[17:24] <{soap|bed}> most reddit users that i know in person definitely arent stereotypical "geeks"
[17:25] <{soap|bed}> basically reddit users are just like other Internet users now, which is probably at least half the adult population
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[17:36] <git> !admin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakgrove_School has some maybe blp violations in the history, lots of vandalism the last few days
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[17:57] <{soap|bed}> yeah im just posting to cplain some more about AndroIRC
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[17:58] <{soap|bed}> it ate up1.1GB of data in justr a day due to a malfunciton so Im dleeting it and I wont be on AndroIRC anymorep robably ever. if i do, its over wifi. Carrier wouldnt void the overage charge because Im on a discontinued plan paying far lower than what others pau. I dont blame 'em. Theyre in fact far far more generous than I expected. I do blame AndroIRC though
[17:59] <{soap|bed}> thank you Yunshui fdor protecting that schoool
[17:59] <{soap|bed}> i wonder if's a 12 month school?
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[18:00] <{soap|bed}> school's out for sure in the USA except for a few very unlickly school districts that either had like forty snow days or just like to keep kids inside so they dont get in trouble
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[18:01] <{soap|bed}> there was someplace in California a few years back where they said "oh by the way, due to a technicality, we're adding a couple of months to this school year with no compensation for any of the teachers. You'll get out in the middle of August. Deal with it"
[18:02] <{soap|bed}> the teachers vowed to protest it by just declaring all the summer days field trip days and letting anyone skip school of they chose. i didnt follow the story to see what came of it when it actually happpened though
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[18:29] <TParis> lol Hey
[18:30] <Penwhale> how be you, TParis?
[18:30] <TParis> Ohh, fairing a bit better than you are, I imagine...Arbcom has it's hands full I see
[18:31] <TParis> I just know you're enjoying being a Clerk at the moment :)
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[18:35] <Headbomb> could san admin please db-move https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_TUGS/Article_alerts
[18:35] <Headbomb> it's fairly urgent in that there is a bot run going on and it needs to be deleted before the bot edits it
[18:37] <TParis> You might use the ! word
[18:37] <Headbomb> i suppose i could
[18:37] <Amortias> isnt bird the word?
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[18:38] <Headbomb> !admin could an admin please db-move https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_TUGS/Article_alerts, it's fairly urgent in that there is a bot run going on and it needs to be deleted before the bot edits it
[18:38] <jackmcbarn> looking
[18:39] <jackmcbarn> done
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[18:39] <Headbomb> thanks!
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[18:39] <jackmcbarn> yay for edit conflict
[18:39] <jackmcbarn> now to find out where the revisions all went
[18:39] <jackmcbarn> move conflicts suck
[18:40] <jackmcbarn> Headbomb: can you make sure that the revision history is what you expect it to be?
[18:41] <Headbomb> jackmcbarn, looks fine
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[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis yo
[18:50] <TParis> sup
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its been a while
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[18:50] <TParis> I dont come around much anymore
[18:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale you are an arbcom clerk? Why would you do this to yourself?
[18:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TParis yah you have been missed by a certain white cat
[18:52] <Penwhale> TParis: ehehe
[18:52] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: ... I've been an arbcom clerk longer than I was an admin
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> really?
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so you made it admin, congrats
[18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have been distracted by school for a few years and a lot seemingly have changed since
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale they did not make me an admin while I was gone :p
[18:56] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko.... you know, I got made an admin in 2007?
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Woha
[18:56] <{soap|bed}> bbl
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> clearly I do not pay attention to it much
[18:56] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: lol
[18:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I kinda suck it seems.
[18:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I should run for adminship to see how quickly I break the oppose record. :)
[18:57] <Penwhale> Kuroko worst pairing with Mikoto
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[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale why do you think people hate my adminship prospect so much?
[18:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do they fear I may actualy be useful?
[19:00] <Penwhale> How many times did you go under RFA?
[19:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 4
[19:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> last one was probably 5 years ago though
[19:00] <Penwhale> so... try
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> No last one was in 2007
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[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> btw https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomium&action=history
[19:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I was reverted by 9carney
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this article is in the News by jombo giving it as an example why we need FOP
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *jimbo
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he re-uploaded the file too
[19:02] <Penwhale> urgh...
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[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh he reverted someone else as well
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so ultimately he reuploaded the image
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[19:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale what do you think?
[19:08] <Penwhale> discussing it with other people atm
[19:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh ok
[19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he is doing this to upset jimbo probably
[19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> upload came after his article on the independent
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[19:43] <Qcoder00> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomium_320_by_240_CCBY20_flickr_Mike_Cattell_v2.jpg The licens there says proposed bulding
[19:43] <Qcoder00> We know it's alreayd been built so the license claim might be invalid
[19:44] <Qcoder00> Also - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomium&oldid=669809858 That's very strong
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[19:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wow this article is in a sorry state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahrawi_Arab_Democratic_Republic
[19:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale if you like I can join the discussion
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[19:49] <git> hi can someone block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Safasolahart
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[19:52] <Symmachus> git: I can't block them, of course, but I did CSD their user page.
[19:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whats the issue?
[19:56] <Symmachus> ToAruShiroiNeko: Promotional user, erasing Book:Wikipedia and replacing it with their business contact info.
[19:57] <Symmachus> Two edits, doing that, outside their user space, which contains the same info.
[19:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
[19:58] <Symmachus> It's not even in English; fairly sure it's a Dravidian or Austronesian language.
[19:58] <Penwhale> I got to those deletions
[19:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> our local Penwhale is on the job
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[19:58] <Symmachus> Awesomeness.
[19:58] <Qcoder00> You do not Delete the "Book of Wikipedia"!
[19:59] <Qcoder00> "For he that defileth the record shall fell thrice the rejection of their sins...."
[19:59] <Penwhale> as for the pictures on Atomium... ToAruShiroiNeko: send email to legal@
[19:59] <Penwhale> picture may pass FoP-USOnly, but... there does exist that chilling effects entry
[19:59] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: that is, https://www.chillingeffects.org/notices/1800
[20:02] <Symmachus> Penwhale: I had no idea you were an admin until now. Ha.
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[20:04] <Penwhale> Symmachus: a lot of people seem to be surprised by it. somehow.
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[20:07] <Symmachus> Penwhale: Nah. Just don't believe I've heard you mention something particular to adminship is all. :) Not that I can recall, at least.
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[20:07] <Qcoder00> Ninja
[20:07] <Qcoder00> ;)
[20:08] <SigmaWP> TParis: literally fascist
�06[20:08] * SigmaWP sweats
[20:08] <Qcoder00> You only see the resulyts :)
[20:08] <Symmachus> Qcoder00: Apparently!
[20:08] <MJ94> TParis: hi
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[20:09] <MJ94> SigmaWP: hi
[20:09] <SigmaWP> hi
[20:09] <MJ94> SigmaWP: y u sweatin
[20:09] <SigmaWP> im pregnant
[20:09] <SigmaWP> <!3
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[20:13] <SigmaWP> TParis: long time no see, so i'm going to say hi before you disappear for a million year slumber again :P
[20:14] <Qcoder00> SigmaWP: Congratualtions. Due when?
[20:15] <SigmaWP> due tomorrow, do tomorrow
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[20:25] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: Hi! Are you around?
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[20:25] <GorillaWarfare> I am!
[20:26] <git> GorillaWarfare: did you have a good birthday?
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[20:26] <GorillaWarfare> git: I did! Did you?
[20:26] <git> t'wasn't bad
[20:27] <git> i don't actually remember what it involved
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> heh
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> Doing it right
[20:27] <git> ... but it wasn't drinking
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> :P
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> I started a job several days after my 21st birthday, and some of my coworkers asked how it was
[20:27] <GorillaWarfare> I made the mistake of saying the same thing
[20:28] <GorillaWarfare> And then had to spend quite a while trying to convince them that no, I'm just forgetful
[20:28] <MJ94> I don't drink, I'm just naturally forgetful.
[20:28] <git> ^
[20:29] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: I had something to ask you, but I may have found an answer...I'll let you know :P
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[20:30] <GorillaWarfare> Okeydoke
[20:30] <GorillaWarfare> I'll be around
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[20:33] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: May I PM you?
[20:33] <GorillaWarfare> Anytime
[20:33] <GorillaWarfare> No need to ask
[20:34] <git> i registered for classes at uni like two days ago, and i just got an email from the head of the cs department with job openings
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[20:34] <git> i think i'm going to like him
[20:35] <MJ94> I got an email from Google saying a Googler submitted my résumé and may have found a spot on the team I may like to apply for.
[20:35] <MJ94> They said they'd get back to me in 2 weeks.
[20:35] <MJ94> It's been 10 days.
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[20:37] <git> MJ94: i realized a few weeks ago that i might've submitted the wrong resume to a couple companies
[20:37] <git> as in, not mine
[20:38] <MJ94> ...how'd so did they get the job? ;)
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[20:39] <git> idk if they did it's probably a downgrade
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[20:49] <git> okay, i know there are people that use OS X in here. i have a queestion for you. what browser do you use, and what's its average energy impact?
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[20:53] <MJ94> git: Chrome.
[20:53] <MJ94> 824 MB memory right now.
[20:54] <git> energy impact
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[20:58] <foks> I use three
[20:59] <foks> chrome's on about 26.4, Safari 10.5 and FF's on 5
[20:59] <foks> though FF is mostly just for Chatzilla
[21:00] <git> ...average energy impact?
[21:01] <git> because mine is like 1500
[21:01] <git> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxufbzhogj6s7dx/Screenshot%202015-07-03%2016.01.27.png?dl=0
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[21:07] <foks> git, holy fuck
[21:08] <foks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pidm66llxcfeuk1/Screenshot%202015-07-03%2014.08.12.png?dl=0
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[21:09] <git> um
[21:09] <git> i must be doing something wrong then O_o
[21:09] <git> unless energy impact depends on the hardware?
[21:09] <foks> god knows
[21:09] <foks> might be a bug
[21:10] <Qcoder00> Chrome has leaks
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[21:19] <foks> on OSX, certainly
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[21:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I literaly expected a photo of a physical impact :p
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[22:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Any USians that is going to attend wikimania here?
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[22:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> North Korean space scientist to U.S. people: 'Trust us'
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[23:03] <TParis> SigmaWP - did you see my complete destruction of your argument?
�06[23:04] * MJ94 grabs popcorn.
�06[23:04] * MJ94 opens Cyber's RfA,
[23:04] <TParis> You may need to report to the burn unit after that
[23:06] <MJ94> TParis: link to RfA for the lazy?
[23:06] <Qcoder00> Might go offline suddenly
[23:07] <Qcoder00> Hearing thunder
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[23:07] <TParis> I don't want to post it, MJ94, I don't want to be accused of canvassing. Would've preferred not even mentioning it.
[23:07] <TParis> Qcoder00: Stay safe
[23:07] <TParis> I loved me a good thunderstorm when I lived in Texas
[23:08] <MJ94> TParis: pretty sure it's not canvassing if I specifically ask for it :P
[23:08] <TParis> Yeah, but tons of other people havent :P
�06[23:08] * ToAruShiroiNeko accuses TParis of using a canvas
[23:08] <TParis> sent it over PM
[23:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection! The canvas is a lie.
[23:08] <TParis> ToAruShiroiNeko: What I do in my sexy time is none of your business :P
[23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Please do not tell me you are pricolo v2
[23:09] <TParis> lol
[23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lie if you have to
[23:09] <TParis> Gotta find inspiration somewhere
[23:09] <TParis> No, no, I'm not pricolo v2
[23:10] <TParis> So where is SigmaWP, is he ignoring me?
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[23:10] <MJ94> TParis: Your comment seems a bit BITEy.
[23:10] <MJ94> Not really friendly.
[23:11] <TParis> On SigmaWP? I'm sure he'll be fine.
[23:12] <TParis> The tools Cyber is running are on their 4th or 5th interation of developers. And each developer has added their own suite of tools and frameworks. It's a huge conglamorate of scripts. I don't know of anyone that is running anything that matches.
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[23:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: I don't see any destructed arguments
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[23:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: I do see, however, someone trying to destroy an argument with fallacies
[23:31] <SigmaWP> TParis: Also I wasn't here.
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[23:32] <TParis> SigmaWP: Only fallacy I see is trying to compare the number of bug reports you get (and the limited scope, size, and usage of your scripts) to Cyber
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[23:33] <SigmaWP> What kind of fallacy is that, then?
[23:33] <SigmaWP> Where does that claim arise?
[23:34] <TParis> On the surface, it's an anecdotal fallacy
[23:35] <MJ94> Does MusikAnimal use IRC?
[23:35] <TParis> Ooo, the article on fallacies also lists "Affirming the consequent" 'If Cyber is a bad maintainer, he'll have bugs. He has bugs, therefore he is a bad maintainer.'
[23:36] <MJ94> SigmaWP: TParis can you two take your bickering elsewhere, please?
[23:37] <TParis> We're not bickering. We're got a lot of history together, this is playful banter at worst.
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[23:39] <MJ94> TParis: Fair enough.
[23:39] <MJ94> Cyber's RfA is the first RfA I just don't know which side I fall into.
[23:39] <TParis> The side of goodness.
[23:40] <MJ94> TParis: probably neutral, but idk
[23:40] <TParis> Sounds like you hate puppies...
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