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--- Log opened Sat Aug 04 17:11:36 2012
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17:11 < Isarra> When admins move files on enwp, do they leave redirects?
17:11 < Matthew_> Isarra: They have the option not too...
17:12 < Isarra> Well, sure, but I'm wondering if they do, if there's any reason to, that sort of thing.
17:12 < Isarra> What with this being an encyclopedia, and all.
17:12 < Guerillero> i don't
17:12 < Isarra> Hrrm.
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17:13 < Isarra> Why can't categories be moved?
17:13 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSJAZSrT4E&feature=player_detailpage
17:13 < Isarra> Well, properly.
17:16 < Sven_Manguard> Isarra: flamability
17:16 < Sven_Manguard> MediaWiki would catch on fire if you moved categories.
17:16 < Isarra> I see.
17:16 < Isarra> Do they have special tabley thingies?
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17:16 < Sven_Manguard> Dumping all that gin on the servers couldn't have helped either
17:17 < Isarra> ...you tried it, didn't you. >.<
17:17 < Isarra> No wonder.
17:17 < Riley_Huntley> Oh right
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17:19 < yutsi> {{duck}}
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17:20 * Isarra punches php in the face.
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17:24 < LikeLakers2> holy crap
17:24 < LikeLakers2> my phone is hot as heck
17:24 < LikeLakers2> 121.1 F
17:25 < BarkingFish> LikeLakers2, what phone?
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17:32 < yutsi> If anyone's in the mood to rewrite leads, this one is in need of some TLC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_meditation
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17:32 < Guerillero> that is a death trap
17:33 < yutsi> hi
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17:34 < Fluffernutter> no one in their right mind touches the TM article
17:35 < Peter-C> WTF, I have 68 edits this month!?
17:35 < Peter-C> Must, gointo, overdrive.
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17:35 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, does it cause bad karma then?
17:35 < Fluffernutter> no, it causes arbcom to slap you upside the head usuall
17:35 < BarkingFish> 0.0
17:35 < Riley_Huntley> Peter-C: Tsk Tsk
17:35 < Peter-C> wut
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17:38 < yutsi> Are TM advocates especially aggressive?
17:39 < Guerillero> yes
17:39 < Guerillero> i once tried to comment on a RFC
17:39 < MJ94> Peter-C: go batty
17:39 < BarkingFish> yutsi, you'd think all that meditation would calm them down, apparently it doesn't.
17:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o eir] by ChanServ
17:39 < yutsi> lol
17:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-bo *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.34.43.13 eir] by eir
17:40 < yutsi> sounds like scientologists
17:40 < BarkingFish> Maybe they should drop one of the t's and try mediation
17:40 < yutsi> XD
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17:55 < Soapy> hi jasper
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18:02 < IRWolfie-> it possible to get wikibooks in the kindle format?
18:03 < IRWolfie-> (google no help)
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18:04 < BarkingFish> IRWolfie-, i don't think so- but there are websites out there which will convert files f.o.c into formats which can be read by a kindle
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18:06 < jakr> how can I see what pages a user is watching?
18:06 < WilliamH_UK> you cant
18:07 < Frood> you hack the database
18:07 < jakr> if a user is nominated for admin, can I ask him
18:07 < Frood> you can
18:07 < Frood> but if you oppose because something they have/don
18:08 < Frood> 't have, the crat will most likely discount the vote
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18:08 < Frood> or if you support
18:08 < Frood> because it's a bullshit question and a bullshit reason
18:08 < yutsi> Click for idiocy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Autofellatio
18:08 < SteveAway> Quick question.
18:09 < SteveAway> If a PD image has an unknown creation date, can it be used?
18:09 < Frood> SteveAway: How do you know it's PD?
18:09 < jakr> yutsi, haha
18:09 < SteveAway> on a government website
18:09 < Frood> Link?
18:09 < SteveAway> http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/oak/index.jsp
18:09 < IRWolfie-> jakr: people can be watching several hundred pages
18:10 < yutsi> lol User:Dontberidiculous is a bored housewife
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18:10 < kim__> nick kim_bruning
18:10 < jakr> IRWolfie-, oh its you
18:10 < kim__> oops
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18:10 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: <3
18:10 < kim_bruning> better
18:10 < kim_bruning> ohai
18:10 < SteveAway> we need you at DRN :P
18:10 < IRWolfie-> jakr: yes I'm everywhere :>
18:10 < Peter-C> lulwtf - http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1B7758B7D08A221E&v=0BmK7pOuayI&feature=player_detailpage
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18:10 < SteveAway> i knoe you're retired and all
18:10 < SteveAway> but still
18:10 < jakr> IRWolfie-, jk, how is your research?
18:11 < Frood> SteveAway: kim_bruning is retired?
18:11 < SteveAway> well in a ways
18:11 < BarkingFish> SteveAway, i'd say yes to that being PD, possibly pd-usgov, and i don't think you need to know the creation date
18:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, In what sense?
18:11 < IRWolfie-> jakr: progress being made as normal :)
18:11 < SteveAway> What do you put in the date field?
18:11 < kim_bruning> Oh, retired DR
18:11 < kim_bruning> ;-)
18:11 < kim_bruning> yeah, sorta
18:11 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, I'll take a look at DRN in a sec
18:12 < kim_bruning> but I'm trying to update my rusty wiki skillz today
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18:12 < jakr> IRWolfie-, do you study statistic mechanics?
18:12 < kim_bruning> So I found a stubby stub article on NPP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupcake_Diaries
18:12 < kim_bruning> If I want to rescue it, I'm going to have to find an RS describing the series.
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18:13 < kim_bruning> This is trickier than it looks, since this looks to be a series of books aimed at young girls. Where would one go to find a review in anRS?
18:13 * kim_bruning scratches head
18:13 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: please become active again, Grand Master
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18:13 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, heh, hey, you're the dude with the fellowship, right?
18:13 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: no shit :P
18:14 < kim_bruning> so you must be the master :-P
18:14 < SteveAway> we talked in NY for ages
18:14 < kim_bruning> norly?
18:14 < SteveAway> lol, {{cn}}
18:14 * Frood eyes DeltaQUad
18:14 < kim_bruning> ;-)(
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18:14 < Soapy> aw
18:14 < Frood> oh, sorry.
18:14 -!- DQ|sick is now known as DeltaQuad
18:14 < DeltaQuad> i'm feeling better now
18:14 < Frood> deltaquad you are drunk.
18:14 < Soapy> that was fast
18:15 * kim_bruning wonders if one can actually get help with articles on IRC anymore in this day and age :-P
18:15 < DeltaQuad> stupid freenode gave me the name when it kicked my computer out of standby
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18:15 < mareklug> kim_bruning: Mademoiselle, Seventeen? google search w/ "review"?
18:15 < BarkingFish> i didn't realise we had klingons at the olympics... look at this dude's last name. http://i.imgur.com/XLwvv.jpg
18:15 < BarkingFish> :)
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18:16 < Soapy> thats quite a name
18:16 < Soapy> what flag is that?
18:16 < kim_bruning> mareklug, If I just googleit w/ "review" I get many pages of user reviews on diverse review sites
18:16 < Soapy> 'IRI' doesnt suggest anything obvious
18:17 < Soapy> Iran?
18:17 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - holy ballsack
18:17 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/user/UCSDTraumaBurn
18:17 < yutsi>
18:17 < Soapy> English Wikipedia just has him listed as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeid_Mohammadpour
18:17 < yutsi>
18:18 < BarkingFish> Soapy, yeah, IRI is Iran
18:18 < Soapy> i woulve used IRN
18:19 < mareklug> kim_bruning: i tried and quickly found this: http://citybookreview.com/2012/04/the-cupcake-diaries/
18:19 < BarkingFish> Iran - IRI
18:19 < BarkingFish> Iraq - IRQ
18:19 < BarkingFish> http://geography.about.com/od/countryinformation/a/olympiccodes.htm
18:19 < kim_bruning> mareklug, looks like a blog site though :-/
18:19 < mareklug> no, looks like newspaper review section
18:20 < kim_bruning> hmmm...
18:20 < kim_bruning> okay, I'll take it
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18:20 < kim_bruning> that'll have to do
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18:22 < Frood> GUYS
18:22 < Frood> We have a problem.
18:22 < Frood> AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD has no treasurer.
18:22 < kim_bruning> mareklug, It's tricky to find rs among all the chaff nowadays ^^;;
18:22 < kim_bruning> AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD? WOTTA?
18:23 < kim_bruning> Frood, does it need one?
18:23 < Frood> The treasurer's term expired in January!
18:23 < Frood> kim_bruning: Perhaps.
18:23 < Isarra> Can't be that important if it's been this long.
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18:24 < kim_bruning> Frood, right, that's just not hoopy
18:24 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: <3
18:24 < kim_bruning> Frood, well, nominate yourself. If no one gives a bleep, you're it ;-)
18:24 < SteveAway> AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD
18:24 < SteveAway> lol
18:25 < kim_bruning> Frood, your first task will be to discover if there are still ?100 in the books
18:25 < yutsi> lol #botwar is awesome. You get automatic op
18:25 < kim_bruning> yutsi, and then you get Kickbanned right after? ;-)
18:25 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: I love intervening in disputes on talk pages
18:25 < yutsi> no
18:25 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, yup
18:25 < yutsi> I kickbanned like 10 people. lol
18:25 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ut oh
18:25 < SteveAway> people see my userpage and think "omg lol"
18:26 < SteveAway> I reserve it for rare situations though.
18:26 < yutsi> What?
18:26 < Fluffernutter> "#wikipedia-en: must be this mature to chat" is going to be my campaign slogan for World Dictator
18:27 < TeeTylerToe> ... That policy would be a disaster
18:27 < kim_bruning> I'm with the toe on this one
18:27 < bobrayner> Maturity? Here?
18:27 < Fluffernutter> a disaster, to require people to be able to behave unlike poo-flinging monkeys?
18:28 < Fluffernutter> bobrayner, I know, crazytalk
18:28 * kim_bruning goes over the channel with a fine toothed comb
18:28 < TeeTylerToe> Frankly I think poo-flinging monkies is overly optimistic
18:28 < kim_bruning> Hmmm, I can't detect any poo here.
18:28 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I thought it was the 100000 monkeys typing Shakespeare, personally
18:28 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: i love that effect.
18:29 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, hmm?
18:29 < kim_bruning> Fluffernutter, to be perfectly honest, I did get something like 2 useful lines of reply in the 20 minutes i was here
18:29 < kim_bruning> that's 1 bit of mature help every 10 minutes
18:30 * kim_bruning wonders if we should have a #wikipedia-en-collaboration or something <scratches head>
18:30 < kim_bruning> well, the channel no existy yet
18:30 < TeeTylerToe> Nah, this chat will never rise to the shakespeare producing randomness of 100,000 typewriter monkies. 'Tis all sound and fury, signifying nothing
18:31 < SteveAway> Fluffernutter: who's flinging poo?
18:32 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I see what you did there :-P
18:32 < yutsi> lol I'm kickbanning *everyone* on #botwar
18:32 < yutsi> join in on the fun
18:33 < SteveAway> yutsi: does it make you feel big?
18:33 * Fluffernutter sighs
18:33 < yutsi> No one does anything on the channel anyways
18:33 < yutsi> Everyone just kickbans lol
18:33 * SteveAway flings poo at yutsi
18:33 * yutsi deflects with his shield
18:33 < TeeTylerToe> people with the same privledge level can ban eachother?
18:33 < yutsi> yeah
18:34 < yutsi> join #botwar and I'll show you. >:D
18:34 < SteveAway> Fluffernutter: wanna do some DRN? :-)
18:34 * RD deletes DRN...handled.
18:34 < Fluffernutter> no, i want to no longer feel sick tonight (rl, i mean. not that you guys make me sick_
18:35 < SteveAway> ugh
18:35 < SteveAway> is it DR or RD
18:35 < yutsi> SteveAway: Try joining again. I wanna see if the bans actually do anythin
18:35 < SteveAway> CHANGE YOUR NICKNAME
18:35 < SteveAway> >_<
18:35 < RD> RD.
18:35 < SteveAway> you confuse me <_<
18:35 < RD> Is it yawAevetS?
18:35 < RD> Has it ever been? :P
18:35 * SteveAway is the person that does lots of DR
18:35 < SteveAway> omg
18:35 * RD does none
18:35 < RD> :P
18:36 < SteveAway> my brain is so confused i cant even type properly
18:36 * RD redirects DRN to Special:Block
18:36 < SteveAway> you don't do dispute resolution, you Resolve Disputes
18:36 < SteveAway> :P
18:36 < RD> Yes
18:38 < Demiurge1000> Guerillero: I've commented at that previously discussed section thread type thingy.
18:38 < Guerillero> cool
18:38 < Guerillero> i will take a look
18:39 < SteveAway> yutsi: unban me
18:40 < yutsi> kk
18:40 < yutsi> Done
18:40 < Guerillero> I would ask you to read canvas
18:41 < Demiurge1000> {{done}}
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18:42 < Demiurge1000> My suggestions there are made in good faith. Mind you, now I look at it, I didn't intend to potentially imply that /you/ might have had personal animosity towards TAP. I'll correct that, if you like.
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18:45 * Justin_Bieber unplugs his media center from teh internet, figures trying to watch Starcraft 2 on a CRT TV isn't worth it...
18:45 < Demiurge1000> Justin_Bieber: Don't you make your /own/ music?
18:45 < Demiurge1000> Ah, I mean "music"
18:45 < Justin_Bieber> lulz
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18:49 < TeeTylerToe> it's always sad to watch the last episode of better off ted
18:49 < TeeTylerToe> Justin Bieber's produced by the same alien brain spore that's been making all the country music for the past 20 years. It's growing
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18:57 < Guerillero> he can write some catchy songs
18:57 < mareklug> the best you can say about him is that he has a pretty and talented gf
18:58 < Guerillero> I am listening to relient k's cover of baby
18:59 < mareklug> have you heard marina and the diamonds' cover of boyfriend?
18:59 < jakr> Is there a conflict if someones username is the same as an ip?
19:00 < yutsi> I've almost taken over #botwar
19:00 < yutsi> I'm hungry. I think I'll make toast
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19:00 < Soapy> the software wont let you create a username that is an IP
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19:02 < jakr> yutsi, i think boths sides would call that discussion idiocy!
19:02 < jakr> yutsi, so how did you indend to mean it?
19:03 < yutsi> I meant that it's ridiculous that people are so offended by a penis
19:03 < yutsi> And it's legitimately useful in the article
19:03 < BarkingFish> right guys, I'm out. 3.03am and I need some sleep.
19:03 < BarkingFish> BBFN
19:03 < Soapy> bye
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19:03 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KTd4xb9k_E&feature=player_detailpage#t=18s
19:03 < Peter-C> O-o
19:04 < yutsi> lol
19:04 < jakr> yutsi, but are you a woman?
19:04 < yutsi> No, I'm a teenage guy
19:04 < SteveAway> no women exist on the internet.
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19:05 < jakr> yutsi, what exactly is your reaction to the image then?
19:05 < yutsi> lol rule 30
19:05 < yutsi> It's informative
19:06 < jakr> yutsi, then why isnt it on the front fu** page?
19:06 < yutsi> I mean, I wouldn't look at it in school, and it doesn't turn me on
19:06 < jakr> as image of the week or w.e
19:06 < yutsi> Cuz the articles not *that* good
19:06 < jakr> no just the image
19:07 < jakr> "Today's featured picture"
19:07 < TeeTylerToe> it would be nice if nsfw thumbnails on wp were ws
19:07 < SteveAway> Mitchazenia: really?
19:07 < wctaiwan> what happened to the image filter thing >.>
19:07 < SteveAway> 25,000 pages on your watchlist
19:07 < SteveAway> MBisanz: ohai
19:08 < Soapy> the image filter was cancelled
19:08 < wctaiwan> really? O_o
19:08 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, what is ws?
19:08 < wctaiwan> link me, if you don't mind.
19:08 < TeeTylerToe> worksafe
19:09 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, so you are saying that wikipedia must be censored to be worksafe!?
19:09 < TeeTylerToe> how did I say that?
19:10 < Soapy> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:_Personal_Image_Hiding_Feature
19:10 < Soapy> last month they suddenly switched from unanimous support to unanimous oppose
19:10 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, how is what you said different from the front page must be worksafe
19:11 < TeeTylerToe> I'm saying that if there's a nsfw image, for instance on an article on a part of the human anatomy, that the thumbnail be ws, but when you click it, you see the nsfw image
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19:12 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, oh
19:12 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, i guess you were responding to me
19:12 < jakr> *i thought*
19:13 < jakr> yutsi, anyway, would you support the autofelia image as a featured image of the day?
19:14 < kim_bruning> what does ws stand for here?
19:14 < jakr> worksafe
19:14 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, thats a good suggestion
19:15 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, have you suggested that on a talk page?
19:15 < kim_bruning> Soapy, that wasn't sudden ;-)
19:15 < kim_bruning> oh worksafe ;-)
19:15 < TeeTylerToe> no
19:15 < kim_bruning> So how does one define "worksafe"
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19:16 < kim_bruning> it turns out that you open a huuuuuge can of worms when you do that
19:16 < kim_bruning> some folks went "OHAI, I haz a can opener"
19:16 < kim_bruning> some folks went "NOOO!, WORMZ!"
19:17 < Soapy> i think if there's more pink pixels than any other color its not work safe
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19:17 < mareklug> um, not all people have pink...
19:17 < wctaiwan> Soapy: O_o wow, okay.
19:17 -!- N1996|race is now known as Nascar1996
19:17 < Peter-C> Pancreaticoduodenectomy
19:17 < Peter-C> Rolls right off the tongue
19:17 < kim_bruning> nsfw-est article on wikipedia, according to soapy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
19:17 < kim_bruning> ;-)
19:17 < TeeTylerToe> well, if it's interesting, it's probably not worksafe
19:18 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, Define interesting?
19:18 < TeeTylerToe> not safe for work
19:18 < Will-k_> Pancreaticduodenectomy is surprisingly easy to say.
19:18 < mareklug> if it is not damn work related, it is by definition not worksafe
19:18 < Peter-C> I know!
19:18 < SteveAway> learned something today
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19:18 < jakr> Soapy, i am new to that page you linked, where is the discussion?
19:18 < TeeTylerToe> but I'm joking that reading articles about things like say the higgs boson during work time would probably be time misspent
19:18 < Peter-C> Pancreaticoduodenectomy?
19:18 < Soapy> i dont think there was an on-wiki discussion
19:19 < TeeTylerToe> or the standard model
19:19 < SteveAway> You notice how you never ever see the silver and bronze chinese medallists at more than one olympics?
19:19 < Will-k_> Oops, forgot the "o" after "Pancreatic"
19:19 -!- [[ceradon]] is now known as ceradon
19:19 < Soapy> it was an in-person meeting where the board members switched from unanimously supporting an image filter to unanimously opposing it, except Jimbo, who switched later
19:19 < SteveAway> if they get silver or bronze theyre sent to a forced labour camp for the rest of their life
19:19 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o
19:19 < Sven_Manguard> SteveAway: You're an idiot
19:19 < Soapy> and summarizing it that way makes it sound like it was a decision made on a whim, but Im sure, as Kim Bruning says, there's more to the story
19:19 < Frood> Sven_Manguard: in a bad mood today?
19:20 < SteveAway> Sven_Manguard: you didnt see that article did you?
19:20 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G1IMM5XOwaM#t=71s -Define interesting ;-)
19:20 < Sven_Manguard> Forced labor camps?
19:20 < Sven_Manguard> Really?
19:20 < TeeTylerToe> was that the story about north korea or something?
19:20 < TeeTylerToe> refrigerators for gold medal winners
19:20 < Sven_Manguard> SteveAway: I don't know where you get your news from, but I get mine from /reliable sources/
19:20 < kim_bruning> Heh ;-)
19:20 < Soapy> labor camps would be too gentle for North Korea
19:21 < Soapy> after all, most of the population already lives in them
19:21 < jakr> Does anyone support the controversal content? if so why not put it as a featured photo on the front page?
19:21 < SteveAway> lol
19:21 < TeeTylerToe> maybe they force them to live in Ryugyong Hotel
19:21 < kim_bruning> jakr, de did that. That was interesting
19:21 < jakr> kim_bruning, ha
19:21 < jakr> kim_bruning, link?
19:21 < Sven_Manguard> Soapy: I'd think it'd be easier to photoshop the color of the medal and make the silver medal a gold medal and the medalist a national hero
19:21 < TeeTylerToe> good movie
19:22 < jakr> kim_bruning, maybe i should be asking for a link
19:22 < kim_bruning> oof, it's somewhere in the nsfw filter debate. Deep deep down
19:22 < jakr> kim_bruning, what was the reaction to it?
19:22 < mareklug> jakr: it was a very scary hairy vagina. we don't want to traumatize you, since you're so into penis
19:22 < jakr> should not be asking for a link*
19:23 < kim_bruning> jakr, the board proposed we should have an image filter.
19:23 < kim_bruning> jakr, (that was the reaction ;-)
19:23 < jakr> mareklug, haha and how was it educational?
19:23 < kim_bruning> I think it was featured image of the day or something
19:23 < Sven_Manguard> I support the filter. Because we should all, as a community, lie to our children and tell them that bad things and dirty things and uncomfortable things don't exist. Then, when they're all naive and clueless and get to middle school and are exposed to bad things, we, as a community, can blame the media, or minority culture, or opposing political parties
19:24 < mareklug> it educated me that porn photographers do better job than medical ones
19:24 < SteveAway> everyone knows commons is 45% cats, 45% penises, 10% everything else.
19:24 < Sven_Manguard> That's much easier than talking to children, right?
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19:24 < jakr> mareklug, well they do have different jobs
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19:24 < kim_bruning> actually, the board dropped the filter proposal so we DON'T have to have this debate again ;-)
19:24 < kim_bruning> (afaik)
19:25 < kim_bruning> though jwales is still at it, in a corner of his userspace ^^;;
19:25 < jakr> kim_bruning, does that mean there will be more nsfw as featured images?
19:25 < kim_bruning> jakr, That's up to the community
19:25 < Sven_Manguard> SteveAway: not true. Commons decided to stop accepting new penises. We don't want them. They have no value. They're out of scope. Now breasts and vaginas on the other hand, are clearly a different story.
19:25 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng
19:26 < Bsadowski1> =D
19:26 < SteveAway> wait commons has something like {{Db-penis}} now?
19:26 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, it's amazing that commons has more penises than breasts (if I get you right)
19:26 < Bsadowski1> I say get rid of the dicks on Commons.
19:26 < jakr> im playing devils advocate and am for the filter, but it seems like wp is being censored if there is no controversal content as featured articles
19:26 < kim_bruning> Bsadowski1, we need a FEW
19:26 < jakr> or image of the day
19:27 < kim_bruning> jakr, zigzacktly
19:27 < Bsadowski1> Hey Kim :)
19:27 < Demiurge1000> "Commons decided to stop accepting new penises. We don't want them. They have no value. They're out of scope. Now breasts and vaginas on the other hand, are clearly a different story" ... and a few lines ago, he refers to others as "children" :D
19:27 < Demiurge1000> Wow, just wow
19:27 < mareklug> image of the day is an excellent photo. most of our penises are shit self-portrait jobs
19:28 < kim_bruning> Bsadowski1, ohai!
19:28 < Sven_Manguard> kim_bruning: no, not really. My point is that Commons only really bothers arguing about the value of female sexyparts. Male sexyparts aren't controversial.
19:28 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, welcome to the intertubes :-/
19:28 < Sven_Manguard> I can only assume this is because most of the commons admins are men
19:28 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: Been here for a while, but glad to join you ;)
19:28 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, <GASP><SHOCK><HORROR>
19:28 < Demiurge1000> I'll let him rant, lol.
19:29 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, glad to have you, I'm sure! :-)
19:29 < Demiurge1000> Such a promising kiddie, that kim...
19:29 < TeeTylerToe> I actually think the internet has stockpiled enough penises to keep things going for a few years now
19:29 < Sven_Manguard> Demiurge1000 has a stick up his ass about me because I called him out for having a stick up his ass about Guerillero
19:29 < Demiurge1000> Gosh.
19:29 < Guerillero> can we not fight
19:29 < Guerillero> please
19:29 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, Thanks for the compliment. I feel young now! ;-)
19:29 < Demiurge1000> Guerillero: Good plan ;)
19:30 < yutsi> Don't we have enough sexual organs already? Geez, why do people come to Commons for their daily fix, instead of 4chan or PornHub
19:30 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, thats an interesting question in general, will the internet slow its growth?
19:30 < kim_bruning> This is the war room, no fighting please~!
19:30 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: Heh, I know that feeling from a few incidents
19:30 < Sven_Manguard> Let's see how long it lasts...
19:30 < kim_bruning> yutsi, we don't have that many afaik
19:30 < kim_bruning> we can't quite set up a wikipr0n just yet
19:30 < kim_bruning> Though, you know, that might actually be an awesome idea. It'd grow like heck
19:31 < Demiurge1000> Less than a dozen sexual organs per person... errr... I /think/ ?
19:31 < yutsi> wikiporn lol
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19:31 < kim_bruning> {reminder to self: be extremely wary of proposing Evil Plans that would *actually* work and possibly lead to world domination. Someone might carry them out}
19:31 < jakr> yutsi,hows was the toast? did you read where i highlighted you?
19:31 < TeeTylerToe> =]
19:31 < yutsi> We should make Wikiporn and then make stringent guidelines so only the best porn is shown
19:32 * kim_bruning is torn actually. I mean. I *do* claim to want world domination ;-)
19:32 < yutsi> Yeah I read it. And the toast was exquisite :)
19:32 < Demiurge1000> yutsi: Commons is already full of that.
19:32 < Fluffernutter> kim_bruning, you'd giggle too hard to be useful once you got it
19:32 < Demiurge1000> yutsi: But mostly of questionable quality and/or neutrality.
19:32 < kim_bruning> Fluffernutter, <giggle>
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19:32 < yutsi> Yeah, and mostly nerd penises
19:32 < Fluffernutter> I rest my case :P
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19:33 < Demiurge1000> people keep saying to me "just search toothbrush", and I just assume I'm going to believe that whatever they are talking about, is (1) bad, and (2) not something I will benefit from seeing
19:33 < TeeTylerToe> there was an interesting article in the paper. The only stuff congress can pass these days are government giveaways to companies that donate to both parties
19:34 < kim_bruning> While I think filters are a bad idea
19:34 < Frood> Demiurge1000: probably somebody masturbating.
19:34 < WilliamH_UK> commons doesn't only have dicks
19:34 < kim_bruning> I would be totally in favor of better categorization or tagging or whatnot at commons
19:34 < WilliamH_UK> remember, there's quite a few randy middle aged euro women that do funky things with cucumbers
19:34 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: you forgot about naming post offices
19:34 < Demiurge1000> Frood: I don't have any need or wish to speculate. I am simply not curious.
19:34 < Soapy> i saw a porn image with a tootshbrush in it once
19:34 < kim_bruning> to prevent people seeing unexpected search results
19:34 < TeeTylerToe> renaming post offices
19:34 < TeeTylerToe> why can't they just keep renaming the same postoffice?
19:34 < Frood> ...moving right along...
19:35 < yutsi> I don't understand why Vevo censors Eminem. I mean, are Eminem fands offended by 'fuck'?
19:35 < Fluffernutter> WilliamH_UK: the most memorable cucumber pic I've come across on commons involves a man. Definitely a man. A rather, er, unique man.
19:35 < Demiurge1000> Although, the idea of bringing Commons under .en control, just to sort it out, is slightly amusing.
19:35 < WilliamH_UK> haha oh wow
19:35 < kim_bruning> yutsi, yotube policy IIRC
19:35 < yutsi> No, you can curse in youtube videos
19:35 < kim_bruning> which, you know, we really need a proper free video streaming site
19:35 < yutsi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9_TKayu9s
19:35 < yutsi> They censor "motherfucker"
19:35 < Frood> vevo censors
19:35 < kim_bruning> yutsi, yeah, I'm not sure what the poilicy is
19:35 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en
19:35 < Frood> it's their company policy, not youtube's
19:36 < yutsi> Vevo doesn't censor songs by The Bloodhound Gang, though
19:36 * kim_bruning just noticed that FPSRussia got a lot more polite
19:36 < TeeTylerToe> why couldn't the post office sell post office names?
19:36 < Frood> yes, they do.
19:36 < Sven_Manguard> Demiurge1000: Commons has a condescending view towards the mess that is English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia has a condescending view towards the mess that is Commons. And German Wikipedia is shaking their head at all of us.
19:36 < Frood> [[VEVO]] states that
19:36 < TeeTylerToe> so you could go to like the verizon south boston post office?
19:36 < kim_bruning> Frood, TIL :-)
19:36 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, that's a beautiful description
19:36 < TeeTylerToe> or the fedex north boston post office
19:36 < wctaiwan> is it just me or did RFA unbonker itself during the past couple of weeks, without any apparent plan at reform?
19:37 < wctaiwan> And now I just jinxed it.
19:37 < Sven_Manguard> wctaiwan: no you didn't, there's a whole thread on just that
19:37 < wctaiwan> oh, I didn't look.
19:37 < Soapy> Some people think there was a Wikimania-induced boom
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19:37 < wctaiwan> it's starting to look like a trend and not just a "people being nice after wikimania" thing
19:37 < Soapy> like a baby boom, but with admins instead of babies
19:37 < wctaiwan> I hope it keeps on.
19:37 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I like to think my subtle moves did it
19:37 < Sven_Manguard> the process is still kinda damaged, we just have a bunch of good candidates running
19:37 < wctaiwan> what did you do kim_bruning?
19:38 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I doubt it will. But we'll see
19:38 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I was WAY too subtle to actually be the cause... I think
19:38 < wctaiwan> Soapy: I really like that btw :p
19:38 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:RFA#RFA_is_not_broken.3F
19:38 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I simply asked "is this process still in use" ? ;-)
19:38 < Sven_Manguard> wctaiwan: for example, people are still asking useless questions at the additional questions section
19:38 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, define useless question?
19:38 < TeeTylerToe> there are parts of wikipedia that aren't broken?
19:39 < Sven_Manguard> kim_bruning: you figure it out
19:39 < Sven_Manguard> TeeTylerToe: No. :D
19:39 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, I'm asking for your personal opinion, actually. :-)
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19:40 < wctaiwan> Sven_Manguard: at least the good candidates aren't being shot down with absolutely silly reasons.
19:40 < Sven_Manguard> kim_bruning: for one thing, *anything* that comes out of keepscases' mouth
19:40 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Archive_217#This_process_appears_to_be_inactive
19:40 < yutsi> Notice how this isn't censored: http://youtu.be/If9fC9aJd-U
19:40 < Sven_Manguard> thankfully keepscases has been away for a while
19:40 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, otoh, maybe me spreading rumors about it at wikimania may have had an effect ;-)
19:40 < wctaiwan> nice :p
19:41 < kim_bruning> yutsi, This YouTube video may contain inappropriate content for some users.
19:41 < kim_bruning> Please sign in to confirm your age.
19:41 < yutsi> So Vevo allows cursing if the video is flagged???
19:41 * TeeTylerToe denies that he's the uncontested sex god of all time
19:41 < yutsi> I think Vevo's inconsistent
19:41 < mareklug> tutsi himself might be too young for it :)
19:41 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/SarahStierch&diff=prev&oldid=504134397
19:41 < Soapy> lol
19:41 < yutsi> lol Bloodhound gang is fucking awesome
19:41 < mareklug> yutsi
19:41 < Soapy> keepscases opposed SarahStierch because there already was an admin named Sarah
19:42 < yutsi> mom and dad this is chasey chasey this is my mom and dad
19:42 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, anyway, statistically, RFA usage is declining, so sooner or later, it's going to be {{historical}}, whether people want it to be or not.
19:42 < Sven_Manguard> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....
19:42 < SigmaWP> Frood: Which of the 50 debian ISOs do I download
19:42 < wctaiwan> hey SigmaWP
19:42 < yutsi> Kim_bruning: Then how will people become admins?
19:42 < Frood> SigmaWP: the right one
19:42 < kim_bruning> yutsi, they won't
19:43 < kim_bruning> is that a problem? Hmmm, *maybe* ;-)
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19:43 < yutsi> kim_bruing: Well, eventually the current admins will die. :O
19:43 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: I don't see that happening. I think we've pretty much hit the low point prior to wikimania. i.e. a couple of candidates per month.
19:43 -!- Will-k_ [~Will-k@unaffiliated/makeshift] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
19:43 < wctaiwan> There will always be aspiring admins, and as backlogs visibly pile up, people will adjust their standards according
19:43 < wctaiwan> free market economy, man!
19:43 < kim_bruning> if you look at all the graphs, you see that it's been declining since 2005 or 2006 or so
19:43 < Daley> yutsi ... We'd have to go to their funeral and pay for it out of wikipedia funds.
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19:43 < yutsi> lol
19:43 < mareklug> SigmaWP: the last one for your architecture, either the stable one or the unstable one as you like to play with fire
19:43 < wctaiwan> accordingly*
19:43 -!- DJMalik [b5b741ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.183.65.234] has joined #wikipedia-en
19:44 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, so your hypothesis has already been disproved by the empirical evidence :-P
19:44 < Soapy> i think you can pin down the decline of RfA to the spring of 2008
19:44 < DJMalik> !info DJMalik
19:44 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: how so?
19:44 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, (sadly)
19:44 < Frood> no bots in here, DJMalik
19:44 < kim_bruning> lemme actually get a graph...
19:44 < Soapy> that is when rollback was unbundled, thus you no longer needed to be an admin to use rollback
19:44 < DJMalik> Frood: I do not understand
19:45 < Frood> DJMalik: There arae no bots in here.
19:45 < kim_bruning> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/3-charts-that-show-how-wikipedia-is-running-out-of-admins/259829/
19:45 < kim_bruning> here's an RFA discussion on that too:
19:45 < TeeTylerToe> I download the debian net install because then I can download the packages I need
19:45 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:RFA#Process
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19:45 < DJMalik> ok
19:45 < kim_bruning> and I concur with soapy, spring 2008 is correct. I'm not sure why I said 2005/2006
19:45 < jakr> did you ever notice that from the palm of a black persons hand they look like a white persons hands?
19:46 < DJMalik> Quien habla espa?ol
19:46 < TeeTylerToe> the numbers in that chart don't add up
19:46 < kim_bruning> Soapy, you think that that's the reason? Interesting
19:46 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, example?
19:46 < Sven_Manguard> jakr: if you look very closely at the palm of a white person's hands you'll notice that they are also lighter than the rest of the hand.
19:47 < kim_bruning> Soapy, I'd be all for MORE unbundeling actually. :-)
19:47 < jakr> Sven_Manguard, hm
19:47 < TeeTylerToe> for '09 the oddly named "year admins became editors", if that's what I think it is, obviously doesn't add up
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19:47 < jakr> Sven_Manguard, from less sun exposure?
19:47 -!- Anto|away is now known as Antonorsi
19:47 < Sven_Manguard> jakr: no idea, but it's like that in everyone, so I'd guess it's biological
19:47 < Demiurge1000> While we're at it, someone fix this silly list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underdog_%28competition%29 ... with references from Herodotus, at least.
19:47 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I'm not sure what that means ..... lessee iof I can get an original of that graph
19:47 < DJMalik> Hola Antonorsi que haces ac?
19:47 < Soapy> the reason why palms are lighter is because the outer layers of the skin of the palms has no melanin in it, in any person
19:47 < TeeTylerToe> it's not important
19:48 < Soapy> melanin cells are found in the outermost layers in the rest of the body
19:48 < Sven_Manguard> Ah. Makes sense
19:48 < jakr> Soapy, sure, but why did we evolve that we?
19:48 < Soapy> but not the palms and soles of the feet
19:48 < jakr> way?
19:48 < Sven_Manguard> Soapy: what about the bottoms of the feet
19:48 < Sven_Manguard> oh... jinx
19:48 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/RFA_by_month <- slight variant
19:48 < Antonorsi> DJMalik: If you are not going to talk english, go to es.wiki
19:48 < Soapy> maybe because when we were crawling on all fours, that was the part that was in contact with the ground, and had to be the toughest
19:48 < Antonorsi> in english*
19:49 < kim_bruning> DJMalik, Hola, what's up?
19:49 < wctaiwan> melanin is bad for sturdiness?
19:49 < kim_bruning> Antonorsi, be nice!
19:49 < DJMalik> Antonorsi: or like you are in the English wikipedia I was surprised to see you here
19:49 < jakr> oh
19:50 < jakr> DJMalik, you speak english
19:50 < Soapy> no, melanin actually is very sturdy
19:50 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, geh, too much work
19:50 < SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
19:50 < Demiurge1000> Herodotus is so easy though.
19:50 < BlackBeast> hola
19:50 < Antonorsi> kim_bruning: :) DJMalik It's a kid from es.wiki
19:50 < DJMalik> Otro m?s que se coleo BlackBeast
19:51 < yutsi> The singer for Falco sounds like he's having a seizure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA
19:51 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, do you have enough sources to say "ok, so maybe we're decling for a while now" ?
19:51 < Soapy> Im not sure "why" there's no melanin in the outer layers of the palms, it may be due to chance
19:51 < kim_bruning> Antonorsi, cool
19:51 < BlackBeast> hi Soapy
19:51 < BlackBeast> hi kim_bruning
19:51 < Soapy> hi
19:51 < BlackBeast> Logan_: hola! como estas?
19:51 < Demiurge1000> Herodotus literally writes like "so I heard they{{who}} say that the tribes down there{{clarification needed}} are all 9 feet tall{{dubious}}"
19:51 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: Yes, okay. But I still think we've pretty much bottomed out :p
19:51 < Soapy> the human body has a lot of weird quirks that dont make sense
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19:52 < kim_bruning> Antonorsi, how do you say "Awesome!" (or some similar exclamation) in spanish, actually?
19:52 < wctaiwan> unless it's going to be multiple months with a single successful RfA next....
19:52 < jakr> Demiurge1000, haha, what do you mean? that was added in one edit?
19:52 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I think that's pretty much inevitable, if trends continue
19:52 < Demiurge1000> jakr: Yeah, in about 453 B.C.
19:52 * BlackBeast hugs SigmaWP
19:52 < TeeTylerToe> what's the big crisis? sure there was a peak in number of admins for two years, but historically, 870 admins or whatever is fine
19:52 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, at which point I get to put up a nice {{historical}}. Preferably a bit early (RADIANT style ;-)
19:53 < wctaiwan> you'll be taken to ANI for it :p
19:53 * DJMalik Over here if people
19:53 < Demiurge1000> jakr: He wrote shit like that down, in great detail and volume, and since no-one else had ever written shit like that down before (in quite that way), he became "the father of history" ... and also... "the father of lies"
19:53 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, we know RFA is broken for years now. Actually the concept of adminship is kinda broken
19:53 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, so if we can kill it with fire, that'd be good
19:53 < TeeTylerToe> rfa?
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19:53 < Demiurge1000> TeeTylerToe: Sadly, Herodotus died long before RfA was available
19:53 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, sure I will, but I've been taken to ANI for trying to *stop* people from historicalizing processes too
19:53 < jakr> Demiurge1000, do you read latin?
19:54 < wctaiwan> heh
19:54 < wctaiwan> Demiurge1000: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally :)
19:54 < Demiurge1000> jakr: Yes, but slowly
19:54 < Demiurge1000> jakr: All educated people read Latin, right?
19:54 * TeeTylerToe creates a wikipedia account to post roman graffiti slander in rfa, like "I hear bob takes it from his servant" <- a joke
19:54 < mareklug> kim_bruning: well, you could always http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/co?o#Interjection
19:55 < jakr> would wikipedia ever combine with wikihow?
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19:55 < yutsi> no
19:55 < kim_bruning> hmm, seems more like an expletive
19:55 < Demiurge1000> TeeTylerToe: Roman graffiti about 2000 years ago was a lot worse than that. They liked to be specific about exactly which part of who was going in where
19:55 < kim_bruning> jakr, hmm, don't think so
19:56 < Anto|away> kim_bruning: It depends on the country. If you are in Venezuela (where I'm from) it would be: "Que arrecho!" (but that's a "filthy" word in other countries)
19:56 < kim_bruning> Anto|away, drat! Anything usefully universal? like , I don't know, "spiffy!"
19:56 < TeeTylerToe> lol
19:56 < kim_bruning> "spiffy situation here, wot wot?!"
19:57 < Soapy> if wikiHow is as bad as it was 4 years ago, we should stay far away from them
19:57 < Anto|away> "Increible!" or "Qu? bien!"
19:57 < Demiurge1000> Same with Commons.
19:57 < kim_bruning> AntiSpamMeta, those are boring, but will have to do ;-)
19:57 < Soapy> because it was basically 100% OR. But, again, I havent been there in years, maybe theyve cleaned up
19:57 < DJMalik> Hola, Hi Soapy
19:58 < jakr> Soapy, hm
19:58 < wctaiwan> Soapy: they don't think OR is bad though.
19:58 < kim_bruning> Soapy, OR is ok in some wikis
19:58 < kim_bruning> Soapy, like wikinews , or wikihow
19:58 < jakr> Soapy, i have found the articles helpful at times
19:58 < Soapy> yes
19:58 < jakr> at wikihow that is
19:58 < mareklug> kim_bruning: you gotta watch your interjections, lest you come across, um, effete. a well palced grudging co?o is a good thing to know and have :)
19:58 < kim_bruning> Soapy, OR rules on en.wikipedia suck anyways :-P
19:58 < wctaiwan> in fact for how to guides OR is perfectly okay in most cases. But no, we shouldn't use them for Wikipedia.
19:58 < Soapy> but I dont think the Wikimedia foundation should ever go there
19:59 < wctaiwan> well it seems they're doing a travel guide...
19:59 < wctaiwan> are they going to enforce WP:V there? >.>
19:59 < kim_bruning> mareklug, sweet of you to apprise me of that, dear.
19:59 * kim_bruning ducks
20:00 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, sort of, if you go there and it's different, you get to modify the article ;-)
20:01 < Soapy> i meant to vote against the travel guide
20:01 < Soapy> is it too late?
20:01 < Peter-C> Anyone here good at fixing citations?
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20:02 < kim_bruning> Soapy, what's your issue?
20:02 < kim_bruning> Soapy, I talked with the folks at wikimania, maybe I can answer it
20:02 < Soapy> well
20:02 < Soapy> to be honest I dont have an opinion I can really defend strongly
20:02 < kim_bruning> that's ok, that's what IRC is for ;-)
20:02 < Soapy> thats why I didnt write anything when I was at the page before
20:03 < kim_bruning> (scroll back for many examples ;-)
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20:03 < Soapy> I just dont think a user-editable travel guide is a good idea in general
20:03 < kim_bruning> Oh, how come?
20:03 < wctaiwan> IRC: strengthening your argument as you fight it out with others
20:03 < Soapy> like I said I cant give you a strong answer to that
20:03 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, zigzacktly
20:03 < SigmAway> wctaiwan: hi
20:03 < wctaiwan> I could see at least one problem with it
20:03 < kim_bruning> Soapy, you're aware that wikitravel and wikivoyage exist currently?
20:03 < Peter-C> [[Pancreatic injury]] - can someone fix [4]
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20:04 < kim_bruning> Soapy, provided the decision passes, they'll come under WMF flag, and merge
20:04 < wctaiwan> opinions about a place are horribly subjective.
20:04 < kim_bruning> else they have a server out in switzerland they can use, in which case they'll continue outside WMF
20:04 < Soapy> you mean we'd just be adopting previously existing wiki sites?
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20:05 < Soapy> have we ever done that before?
20:05 < kim_bruning> Soapy, well, technically we're sort of starting a new site, but we'll be getting all the users, admins, developers etc from those other sites
20:05 < wctaiwan> what about content?
20:05 < kim_bruning> Soapy, not that I'm aware of
20:05 < Soapy> ok
20:05 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, content is CC-BY-SA, so yes
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20:06 < kim_bruning> actually, very early on, we merged gnupedia and nupedia content into wikipedia
20:06 < kim_bruning> (and one other encyclopedia, <tries to recall>
20:07 < Soapy> I didnt know that there was a Gnupedia
20:07 < wctaiwan> I need to go. Laters.
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20:08 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNE_%28encyclopedia%29
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20:09 < Soapy> i wonder if Stallman edits Wikipedia
20:10 < Frood> RMS is an idiot
20:10 < Frood> well, that was broad
20:10 < Soapy> you dont like him?
20:10 < kim_bruning> franny, idiot savant
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20:10 < yutsi> I don't like RMS
20:10 < Frood> what he does is cool
20:10 * kim_bruning apologizes to franny
20:10 < yutsi> He's so annoying
20:10 < Frood> but really
20:10 < kim_bruning> Frood, idiot savant
20:10 < Frood> he basically said steam on linux was evil
20:10 < Frood> because of DRM
20:10 < yutsi> He thinks everything is evil
20:10 < Frood> and that goes against Linux's ideals...?
20:10 < kim_bruning> Frood, zigzacktly
20:10 < kim_bruning> Frood, no, it goes against his ideals
20:10 < yutsi> According to him, people who use proprietary software are sellouts
20:11 < Frood> i wasn't aware that rms was linus torvalds
20:11 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rmstallman
20:11 < TeeTylerToe> I don't think he likes binaries either
20:11 < Soapy> not active
20:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, RMS and Linus have slightly different views on the world
20:11 < TeeTylerToe> I guess that means he's consistent
20:11 < yutsi> DRM is bad, but sometimes you have to deal with proprietary software
20:11 < yutsi> Linus is awesome
20:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, the last time LInus told RMS to stuff it, a year or two later he had to eat crow though ;-)
20:11 < mareklug> Frood: that was very bold for a high school student about a McArthur Fellow, who also happens to be the world's (arguably) best programmer
20:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, (think bitkeeper controversy. He had to write a new VCS (GIT) from scratch :-/)
20:12 < Frood> kim_bruning: git is nice.
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20:12 < Frood> mareklug: everything that's not GPL'd is evil to him, pretty much.
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20:12 < TeeTylerToe> there are crazier stances to take
20:12 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU&diff=prev&oldid=28409653 < zomg COI editing. But PROPERLY
20:12 < yutsi> RMS is a douche.
20:12 < yutsi> period.
20:13 < Frood> i don't even like the GPL, the fact that it lets you keep open source programs closed source bugs me
20:13 < kim_bruning> yutsi, anyone who ends their sentences with "period", is an idiot. Period. :-P
20:13 < yutsi> lol
20:13 < yutsi> I had to do it for emphasis
20:13 < kim_bruning> Frood, it does whothewhatsit?
20:13 < Frood> if i release my software as open source, i want it open to everyone, no matter what
20:13 < mareklug> Frood: look up idiot in the dictionary b4 you use it again. just a friendly advicee
20:13 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ;-)
20:13 < kim_bruning> Frood, good for you
20:13 < Frood> if people want to sell it, great
20:13 < kim_bruning> Frood, and I found out the hard way that GPL is the best way to do that
20:14 < kim_bruning> Frood, and by hard way, I mean it included lawyers
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20:14 < kim_bruning> ohai LL2
20:14 < Frood> as long as the source to what you're selling is available
20:14 < Frood> to everybody
20:14 < Frood> not just people who buy it
20:14 < yutsi> I used to use CC-BY-NC-SA, but now I use Simplified BSD license
20:14 < kim_bruning> well, which license does that?
20:14 < TeeTylerToe> Ithink there are actually a few companies that follow the rules of GPL
20:14 < kim_bruning> Frood, I think GPL strikes a very credible balance.
20:14 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, a lot of companies do, actually
20:15 < yutsi> GPL's too complicated
20:15 < yutsi> Simplified BSD is easy to understand
20:15 < TeeTylerToe> I think a lot more abuse it, but that's just a guess
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20:15 < TeeTylerToe> linksys does
20:15 < TeeTylerToe> obey the rules
20:15 < yutsi> OR ELSE
20:15 < kim_bruning> Frood, and some of the crazier "no wai, wtf did they put that in there" stuff, suddenly becomes relevant when you're talking with your lawyer and sending legal threats back and forth
20:15 < Frood> kim_bruning: i'll admit, GPL has its place
20:15 < Frood> But I'm not a huge fan of it
20:15 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, GPL is actually fairly easy to enforce.
20:16 < Demiurge1000> Just kill everyone!
20:16 < Demiurge1000> Then no-one is in breach of the license!
20:16 < yutsi> My programmer friend exclusively uses MIT license
20:16 < kim_bruning> Frood, I actually went MIT license for a while, but now I've had real life experience
20:16 < Krenair> <Frood> i don't even like the GPL, the fact that it lets you keep open source programs closed source bugs me
20:16 < Krenair> Umm, maybe I'm missing something here
20:16 < yutsi> kim_bruing: Do you code?
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20:16 < kim_bruning> Frood, what I've discovered is that RMS is not some misguided idealist, but rather someone who has got badly burned in the real world
20:16 < Krenair> How the hell does GPL let you keep open source programs closed?
20:16 < kim_bruning> Frood, and speaks from experience
20:16 < Frood> Krenair: i sound like a crazy person, don't i?
20:17 < kim_bruning> yutsi, the mediawiki svn repo (now GIT) , says that I do ;-)
20:17 < yutsi> ah
20:17 < kim_bruning> last time I looked I was just ahead of some of the WMF folks, but by now they'll have caught up :-P
20:17 < TeeTylerToe> how easy is it to prove that a closed source program that could be embedded in hardware uses your source code?
20:17 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, depends on whether they've stripped it ;-)
20:17 < yutsi> kim_bruning: The thing about RMS that annoys me isn't his views, it's how annoying he is about them. Like how he INSISTS that you say GNU-slash-Linux and badgers you if you don't.
20:18 < Frood> Krenair: "The GPL permits anyone to make a modified version and use it without ever distributing it to others. "
20:18 < Frood> so, it's legally considered open source, because it's still GPL
20:18 < kim_bruning> yutsi, Not like that isn't now relevant, what with there being android-slash-linux
20:18 < Frood> but they don't have to release it
20:18 < yutsi> Why not GNU/Linux/X.org/Perl/Python
20:18 < kim_bruning> and gnu-slash-darwin
20:18 < TeeTylerToe> No, I mean, say some asian company sells 100,000 units of some random appliance with your code. It's not like someone flicks on the bat signal
20:18 < kim_bruning> and gnu-slash-bsd
20:18 < Krenair> Frood: I'm really not sure forcing release for every modification is a good idea at all
20:18 < yutsi> It's annoying to say it that way, though
20:19 < yutsi> For the purposes of simplification, Linux is the way to go in terms of naming
20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, quite so. if you have a better suggestion, I'll pass it on to the FSF :-)
20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, but VERY confusing these days
20:19 < TeeTylerToe> Look! In the sky! The bat signal! Someone is using my hello world program written in brainfuck!
20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, android is linux too
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20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, but the UI is nothing like say ubuntu
20:19 < kim_bruning> (which is a gnu/linux system)
20:19 < yutsi> kim_bruing: Here's my suggestion: Linux
20:20 < kim_bruning> (and in that last line, the slash is extremely relevant)
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20:20 < yutsi> It has a nice ring to it and only two syllables!
20:20 < Krenair> People calling Linux distros "GNU/Linux" really annoy me.
20:20 < yutsi> Krenair: I agree
20:20 < TeeTylerToe> isn't ubuntu's new UI designed to be used with smartphones?
20:20 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ok, well, you just go ahead and run an apache server on your telephone
20:20 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, tablets
20:20 < yutsi> kim_bruning: What?
20:20 < yutsi> That's irrelevant
20:20 < Krenair> People calling Linux distros "Linux" also annoys me, but significantly less
20:20 < TeeTylerToe> ah
20:20 < Krenair> annoy*
20:20 < yutsi> Linux sounds nice. Why not just keep it simple?
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, your telephone is Linux. Two Syllables, never a misunderstanding. Right?
20:21 < yutsi> My telephone is iOS, which is partly BSD
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, so, apache runes on Linux. So apache runs on your phone. Right?
20:21 < yutsi> no linux on my phone
20:21 < TeeTylerToe> my cell phone runs vegan iced chai latte, the new android update
20:21 < Soapy> i wonder if microsoft has contributed any code to Linux
20:21 < yutsi> lol
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ok, unless you have a horrid apple phone
20:21 < Frood> Soapy: A lot.
20:21 < Pharos> hi wikipedians
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, but saying you have a google inspired one
20:21 < yutsi> kim_bruning: It's good if you jailbreak. ;)
20:21 < Frood> They were one of the biggest contributors in 2011, iirc.
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, we call that Android ;-)
20:21 < Soapy> really? interesting
20:22 < kim_bruning> or Android/Linux
20:22 < Soapy> I wonder what their motive is
20:22 < kim_bruning> Else you're actually confuzzeling people
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20:22 < TeeTylerToe> Microsoft has contributed a lot of code to linux that helps it interoperate with windows so that they can charge more server seat licesnses
20:22 < kim_bruning> yutsi, there actually *is* a gnu userland available for android phones
20:22 < yutsi> kim_bruning: Wouldn't it be Android/GNU/Linux?
20:22 < kim_bruning> in which case you have Android/GNU/Linux
20:22 < Krenair> Soapy, apparently they contributed changes to get Linux working on their cloud platform
20:22 < TeeTylerToe> drivers that let people pay microsoft for licenses running windows in vm
20:22 < kim_bruning> yutsi, In that case yes. But the default userland on android does not feature GNU
20:22 < Soapy> ok
20:23 < TeeTylerToe> Microsoft isn't so big on code that helps you if you aren't running windows
20:23 < yutsi> If I called my Android phone an Android/Linux phone (in theory) people would think I was crazy.
20:23 < Krenair> Which was obviously needed by them because otherwise no one would bother with it :)
20:23 < Frood> well, not a lot
20:23 < Frood> 1% accordin to the Linux Foundation
20:23 < kim_bruning> yutsi, normally you don't need to do that, unless you start deviating
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20:23 < Soapy> Microsoft has released Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX which contains GPL-licensed code. In July 2009, Microsoft itself released a body of around 20,000 lines of Linux driver code under the GPL.[84] The Hyper-V code that is part of the submitted code used open-source components licensed under the GPL and was originally statically linked to proprietary binary parts, the latter being
20:23 < Soapy> inadmissible in GPL-licensed software.[85]
20:23 < yutsi> kim_bruning: How does it not feature GNU? They rewrote *all* of the *nix utilities from scratch???
20:23 < kim_bruning> yutsi, for instance, if you install some of the proposed ubuntu stuff on your android, then you suddenly have eg. android/gnu/linux :-P
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20:24 < kim_bruning> yutsi, even differenter. The entire userland runs on JVM under linux
20:24 < yutsi> Alright, now I'm reaching the limit of my technical expertise
20:24 < yutsi> lol
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20:24 < yutsi> I haven't really used Linux much in recent times. Most of the programs I use are windows-only.
20:25 < yutsi> I need a secondary laptop that's actually powerful
20:25 < TeeTylerToe> but corporations do contribute a lot of code to linux
20:26 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, especially redhat and canonical ;-)
20:26 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, and Novel
20:26 < kim_bruning> (they bought SuSE)
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20:27 < TeeTylerToe> iirc Novel's become a pawn
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20:28 < TeeTylerToe> Red Hat, Intel, Novell, IBM, Texas Instruments, Broadcom, Nokia, Samsung, Oracle and Google
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20:32 < kim_bruning> ok, need zzz
20:32 < kim_bruning> G'night everyone!
20:32 < TeeTylerToe> night
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20:37 < TeeTylerToe> surprised HP isn't there
20:39 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: HP had its WebOS crew hired away by Google, remember
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20:40 < TeeTylerToe> I guess, they do a lot of server stuff with linux too
20:41 < mareklug> what about all the national governments/their agencies that develop linux-vased supercomputers
20:41 < mareklug> based
20:42 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone good with coding online?
20:43 < TeeTylerToe> there are parallel computing systems
20:43 < yutsi> coding what?
20:43 < TeeTylerToe> the national labs have some programs
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20:43 < ChrisGualtieri> Coding for Wikipedia
20:43 < ChrisGualtieri> As in making scripts, programs and junk
20:43 < yutsi> oh
20:44 < TeeTylerToe> try #php
20:44 -!- tyime is now known as ty
20:44 < TeeTylerToe> if you have specific questions about wikimedia extensions ask in here
20:45 < ChrisGualtieri> Well I've been bugging dcoetzee pretty bad lately, but I'm wondering about creating new extensions and AWB like plugins or tools
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20:49 < ChrisGualtieri> Always goes quiet...
20:51 < TeeTylerToe> AWB?
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20:52 < ChrisGualtieri> Autowikibrowser
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21:04 < Peter-C> Pancreatic injury? <3
21:04 < Peter-C> yutsi - wanna help?
21:04 < Peter-C> :3
21:04 < yutsi> sure
21:05 < Peter-C> Let's make a DYK a day until September 1 :o
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21:07 < TeeTylerToe> was serenity a remake of cowboy bebop knockin on heaven's door?
21:09 < Will-k> Peter-C: DYK that's a great idea!
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21:09 < Peter-C> :o
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21:11 < Guerillero> you are moving up in the world peter
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21:13 < Peter-C> Guerillero - O'rlly?
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21:16 < TeeTylerToe> rot in hell Venkman!
21:17 < TeeTylerToe> ghostbusters reference
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21:21 < yutsi> Peter-C: So can we use trauma.org images?
21:21 < Peter-C> No
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21:22 < yutsi> tolja
21:24 < yutsi> Peter-C is the pancreas in the abdomen?
21:24 < Peter-C> Sort of
21:25 < Peter-C> It's gastrointestial, but it still is kinda there
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21:26 < yutsi> Already thought of a DYK: While pancreatic injury is less common that other abdominal injuries, its diagnosis can be very difficult due to its location.
21:28 < TeeTylerToe> is the human torax a term commonly used?
21:30 * Isarra pokes Brooke.
21:30 < Isarra> Er, wait, wrong channel.
21:30 < yutsi> fuck edit conflict
21:31 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: um, I'd gather chest is more in use :)
21:32 < TeeTylerToe> I'd rather have a thorax than a chest
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21:32 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: your wish has been granted. you have two left.
21:33 < Justin_Bieber> Anyone esle pumped for the Curiosity landing on Mars?
21:33 < Justin_Bieber> alse*
21:33 < Justin_Bieber> else*
21:33 < mareklug> the thing: when exactly our time?
21:34 < Justin_Bieber> 05:31 UTC on August 6, 2012
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21:35 < yutsi> Peter-C: I fixed the infobox's eMedicine link. I thought you were the medical expert? :P
21:35 < Peter-C> >.>
21:35 < Justin_Bieber> 10:34 PM Mountain Time
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21:35 < Justin_Bieber> wait
21:35 < Justin_Bieber> fuck
21:36 < mareklug> i beg to differ
21:36 < Justin_Bieber> Yes, 10:31
21:36 < yutsi> Peter-C: Why are you putting 1980980 as the eMedicine article number for everything??
21:36 < eeekster> I'm just glad not to have written any of the software for it
21:36 < Justin_Bieber> Literally 5 minutes behind now... xD
21:36 < mareklug> gmt is utc, no?
21:36 < Peter-C> I copy pasted the infobox and forgot to change some fields :P
21:36 < eeekster> gmt = utc
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21:37 < Justin_Bieber> wait
21:37 < Justin_Bieber> Add an hour to that, so... 11:31 our time, 1:30 eastern time
21:37 < eeekster> 10:31 PM PDT
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21:37 < yutsi> Ohhh, I know why. You were linking to the Blunt Abdominal Trauma page. You have to put 'article' in the eMedicineSubj field
21:37 * Justin_Bieber wants to stab the people who invented time zones
21:38 < eeekster> it was the railroads
21:38 < yutsi> It's 12:37 AM eastern time right now
21:38 * Isarra hits Justin_Bieber with a frying pan.
21:38 < Isarra> The planet is round.
21:38 -!- DeltaQuad_ is now known as DeltaQuad
21:38 < Isarra> How would you deal with that?
21:38 < mareklug> if it is at 5 utc, it's midnight summer time in chicago, and that's one hour only from mountain....
21:38 < eeekster> stand in line, Isarra
21:38 * Isarra hits eeekster with a frying pan.
21:39 < eeekster> don't make me corhobble
21:39 < Isarra> Don't make me make you corhobble just to see what that means.
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21:41 < yutsi> Man, I don't even know what a pancreas does.
21:41 < Brooke> Try Wikipedia.
21:42 < Peter-C> yutsi - big enough for DYK by 15 charachters! :D
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21:42 < yutsi> lol Let me remove stub tempalte
21:42 * Isarra takes yutsi's pancreas and sells it on the black market.
21:42 < yutsi> oh noes
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21:43 < yutsi> Peter-C did you like my hook
21:43 < Peter-C> what hook?
21:43 < mareklug> i'm taken back that google calculator does not convert utc to time zones on the fly... or is there an incantation i am missing?
21:44 < yutsi> While pancreatic injury is less common that other abdominal injuries, its diagnosis can be very difficult due to its location.
21:44 -!- haggis [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:44 < yutsi> yo haggis
21:44 < eeekster> The reason scotch was invented?
21:45 < haggis> hello yutsi
21:45 < Peter-C> yutsi - I was thinking something like that, but check out the history section
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21:45 < yutsi> Peter-C: You want me to submit the DYK?
21:46 < yutsi> I'm gonna see if there's a navbox for these injuries
21:47 < Peter-C> ?
21:47 < Peter-C> Oh right, one sec
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21:49 < Peter-C> yutsi - you can dyk it, too lazy to review
21:49 < mareklug> the thong: is there a jpl live link where they show the landing?
21:49 < mareklug> thing
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21:50 < Peter-C> added the navbox yutsi
21:51 < eeekster> mareklug, it'll be on NASA TV
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21:51 < yutsi> lol and i added the article to the navbox
21:51 < yutsi> Now I'm off to DYK
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21:51 < mareklug> eeekster: is that on line or cable only?
21:51 < Peter-C> yutsi - wanna make a classification table?
21:52 < eeekster> both
21:52 < eeekster> http://www.nasa.gov/ has the online TV links
21:53 < mareklug> eeekster: thanks
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21:55 < yutsi> No
21:55 < Peter-C> yutsi - we live in the same state ._.
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21:55 < yutsi> Yeah, I know. lol
21:56 < yutsi> We should meet up at the next Wikimedia NYC event.
21:56 < yutsi> Submitted DYK
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21:57 < yutsi> I think this is my 4th. So I get one more where I don't have to review. :(
21:57 < yutsi> I hate reviewing DYK. It's just a bunch of copy and pasting into complex areas.
21:57 < Justin_Bieber> Oh my god
21:58 < Justin_Bieber> So, there's almost less than 24 hours till the rover lands
21:58 < yutsi> wut
21:58 < Justin_Bieber> For some reason I thought it was 2 days from now... those damn time zones again
21:58 < yutsi> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg
21:58 < haggis> Justin_Bieber: >:(
21:58 < yutsi> Dude, why don't you change your name? Is that your actual user name on WP?
21:59 < Justin_Bieber> Nope, Chuck Testa.
21:59 < yutsi> ROFL
21:59 < yutsi> http://chucktestaroll.com/
21:59 < mareklug> "Curiosity is scheduled to land on the Red Planet at 10:31 p.m. Pacific time, 1:31 a.m. on the East coast." you were off by an hour and would have missed it.
21:59 < Peter-C> yutsi - we should have put an alt D:
21:59 < Justin_Bieber> mareklug: I live in MDT
21:59 < yutsi> Peter-C: Then just insert it. -.-
21:59 * Justin_Bieber slaps mareklug
22:00 < mareklug> you said and I quote: Justin_Bieber: 10:34 PM Mountain Time
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22:00 < Justin_Bieber> That was, like, half an hour ago
22:00 < Justin_Bieber> Then I was able to find the correct time
22:00 < Justin_Bieber> -22:37:09- (Justin_Bieber) wait
22:00 < Justin_Bieber> -22:37:25- (Justin_Bieber) Add an hour to that, so... 11:31 our time, 1:30 eastern time
22:00 < mareklug> ok
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22:02 < mareklug> eeekster: the nasa tv schedule has them begin at 2:15 am. does not sound live to me
22:02 < Justin_Bieber> Where is that?
22:03 < Justin_Bieber> Their TV schedule, at least on Dish Network and shit, doesn't usually reflect the actual events being cast
22:03 < yutsi> Wait, is New Jersey Eastern time or Atlantic time?
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22:03 < mareklug> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html under August 6, down the page
22:03 < Justin_Bieber> Like, they've had "Education hour" during shuttle launches countless times
22:03 < jakr> Should words that need are to be avoided be used anyway if they are part of a quotation?
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> mareklug, you derped there
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> That's the post landing news conference
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22:04 < mareklug> but they have no prior listings on that date, so... go figure.
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> 11 p.m. - Mars Science Laboratory/Curiosity Rover Landing Coverage of Entry Decent and Landing (Clean Feed with Mission Audio Only) - JPL (Media Channel)
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> Look on August 5th...
22:04 < mareklug> ok
22:05 < Justin_Bieber> should have pasted this one too: 11 p.m. - Mars Science Laboratory/Curiosity Rover Landing Coverage of Entry Decent and Landing (Commentary #1 Begins 11:30 p.m.) - JPL (Public and Education Channels)
22:05 < Justin_Bieber> You're lucky, you get to have me in my nerd mode tonight :p
22:06 < mareklug> yutsi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Time_Zone
22:06 < yutsi> No, I'm eastern time zone. I looked it up
22:07 < yutsi> I always get them mixed up, but I'm -5 hours
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22:07 < Justin_Bieber> And even if I miss the exact landing time... I'll be recording the entire thing on my DVR anyways :D
22:07 < delirious> how accurate ... Justine_Bieber is thethingthatshouldnotbe :D
22:07 < mareklug> tutsi i gave it to you for reference. you should also know that newfoundland is one half hour off
22:08 < Justin_Bieber> delirious: Long time no see
22:08 < delirious> wrong channels i guess
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22:14 < mareklug> yutsi: and you're -5 hours only in winter, on standard time. now you're -4.
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22:21 < yutsi> Can someone explain this for me? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Proposed_community_ban_of_User:Doughnuthead
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22:22 < WilliamH_UK> yutsi, a ban means that someone's edits and articles can be unilaterally deleted by anyone, no question, no discussion
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22:22 < WilliamH_UK> and that they cannot be unblocked by one single admin, e.g., on a talkpage discussion
22:22 < yutsi> Seems pointless if they're indef blocked
22:23 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
22:23 < yutsi> Especially in this case, where only ArbCom has authority to unblock
22:23 < WilliamH_UK> no, because they may come back with socks
22:23 < WilliamH_UK> and if they try to, it's an easy way of dealing with their crap
22:23 < yutsi> They can still do that if they're banned
22:24 < yutsi> It's not like they say "I'm a sockpuppet of a banned editor! Derp!"
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22:24 < delirious> sometimes they do announce it to see if anyone is watching
22:25 < yutsi> lol
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22:25 < WilliamH_UK> or sometimes, they are detected regardless of whether or not they announce themselves
22:25 < yutsi> Geez, people really have trouble differentiating between AN and AN/I
22:25 < WilliamH_UK> and their edits and articles can be deleted on sight, with no faff and no time wasted discussing them
22:25 < WilliamH_UK> because a ban already has decided that their contributions are considered a net disadvantage
22:26 < yutsi> How are people making socks when they're IP banned? Are they paying for closed proxies?
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22:27 < mareklug> WilliamH_UK: does that imply that anyone with good edits won't be "banned" cuz those edits would not be questioned?
22:27 < WilliamH_UK> they might do
22:27 < WilliamH_UK> mareklug not necessarily
22:27 < Peter-C> http://www.amazon.com/History-Pancreas-Mysteries-Hidden-Organ/dp/0306467429
22:27 < Peter-C> <3
22:27 < Peter-C> yutsi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEodu4yLSzw&feature=player_detailpage
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22:28 < yutsi> ?
22:28 < jakr> Should words that need to be avoided(WP:WORDS) be used anyway if they are part of a quotation?
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22:30 < Ironholds> I think I may have just written my longest talkpage message of all time
22:30 < Ironholds> 4,299 characters. oy.
22:30 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
22:30 < Peter-C> Ironholds - favorite organ - go.
22:30 < Guerillero> wow
22:31 < mareklug> Ironholds: pick some German church one
22:31 < jakr> mareklug, did you read my question?
22:31 < jakr> mareklug, oh you are nominated for admin right?
22:32 < Peter-C> yutsi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notKtAgfwDA&feature=player_detailpage
22:32 < mareklug> jakr: I frankly don't know the answer. Perhaps you should construct quotes so they don't create this problem.
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22:32 < yutsi> lol Peter-C: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JIg9NB47M
22:32 < mareklug> jakr: no, I am not.
22:32 < Peter-C> By the end of the day, you will be a med student
22:32 < Ironholds> Peter-C: kidney
22:33 < Ironholds> mareklug: hmn?
22:33 < mareklug> organ
22:33 < jakr> mareklug, surely, let me check my browsing history, i think i remember your name
22:33 < Ironholds> Guerillero: it was a reply to a message from Kudpung which included "it's great fewer minors are editing, we need to make sure nobody is using informal language around new page patrol"
22:33 < jakr> mareklug, do you have a wikipedia account this that nick name?
22:33 < Peter-C> yutsi - lul
22:33 < Ironholds> so, it got kinda long :)
22:33 < mareklug> jake yes, i am SUL as mareklug
22:34 < Peter-C> And IH - what an unusual choice, but ok
22:34 < Guerillero> you avoided him for all of wikimaia
22:34 < Ironholds> Peter-C: what would you pick?
22:34 < jakr> mareklug, my mistake, i was thinking of Mlpearc
22:34 < Peter-C> Liver.
22:34 < Ironholds> Guerillero: it was mutual. I tried talking to him on the first day and he completely blanked me from a foot away
22:34 < Peter-C> Close behind are the lungs
22:34 < Ironholds> the last day, I was informed he thought I was Satan, or had said words to that effect
22:34 < Ironholds> sorta took the hint ;p
22:34 < Ironholds> Peter-C: lungs are pretty cool. But the liver is weak!
22:35 < Guerillero> where is a good place to get a hash calculated
22:35 < Peter-C> The liver regenerates though!
22:35 < mareklug> Peter-C: imho skin wins
22:35 < Peter-C> gtfo
22:35 < Ironholds> Guerillero: what sort of hash?
22:35 < Ironholds> we talking SHA-1, SHA-2, MD5?
22:35 < mareklug> think what it does, how it evolved
22:35 * Peter-C tosses a melanoma at mareklug
22:36 < Guerillero> I have been using whirlpool but I can switch for my confirmed identity
22:36 < Ironholds> ahh
22:37 < Ironholds> Guerillero: I use http://rhash.anz.ru/
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22:37 * Ironholds uses Whirlpool/Blowfish as his encryption standard
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22:39 < Peter-C> yutsi - I am going to become a trauma surgeon one day. A few years into my attending life I will one day just say "Crap, where am I, nurse? Can I have some directions? I think I made a wrong turn."
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22:39 < Peter-C> I will then flip over the instrument tray and never be seen again
22:39 < yutsi> lol
22:40 < Peter-C> Oh, and the patient will die, but it will be funny so
22:40 < Guerillero> i can't get it to work
22:41 < Demiurge1000> Peter is too young to be made to work, so far.
22:43 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=LLrzdldrrlpiPBwuuWg-FHUw&v=3Na8GnBhcXA&feature=player_detailpage
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22:43 < Dcoetzee|2> Whoa I just noticed KVIrc 4.0 is out
22:43 < Dcoetzee|2> Never mind I already have it
22:43 < Dcoetzee|2> Silly me
22:44 < Dcoetzee|2> Gonna upgrade to 4.2.0 though, maybe will fix weird character encoding issues.
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22:44 < Jeske_Merensky> I d/l'd 4.2.0 (BAWNG HEET!) earlier today when I kept timing out of IRC.
22:45 < Dcoetzee|2> Jeske_Merensky: Did it help at all?
22:45 -!- Dcoetzee|2 is now known as Dcoetzee
22:45 < Jeske_Merensky> No
22:45 < Dcoetzee> :-(
22:45 < Dcoetzee> Maybe bad connection
22:45 < Jeske_Merensky> Restoring the router's prior settings did, tho
22:45 < Dcoetzee> Try switching to a fixed known-good Freenode server?
22:45 < Dcoetzee> Ah nice :-)
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22:50 < yutsi> Alright, I'm going to sleep; I'm sleep deprived
22:50 < yutsi> good night
22:50 * yutsi is away: AFK
22:51 < Peter-C> lame
22:51 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Please say something containing an apostrophe
22:51 < Dcoetzee> yutsi: Night!
22:51 < Peter-C> ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
22:52 < Peter-C> What's your favorite organ?
22:52 < Dcoetzee> Okay is still broken oh well
22:52 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you see my apostrophes okay? ''''''''''''''''''''
22:52 < closedmouth> he's using those stupid squiggly apostrophes though
22:52 < Peter-C> mhm
22:52 < Dcoetzee> Yeah but my client should handle Unicode characters properly :-(
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22:53 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you see this apostrophe character? ’’’’’’’’’’
22:54 < Peter-C> no
22:54 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: it's not in utf8
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22:54 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: What characters did you see instead?
22:55 < Peter-C> nothing
22:55 < Dcoetzee> Weird. What's your client?
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22:56 < Peter-C> mIRC
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22:57 < haggis> wtf
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23:03 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you read this: ???
23:03 < Peter-C> mhm
23:03 * Peter-C feels interegated
23:03 < Dcoetzee> Oh okay. So some Unicode works.
23:04 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Paste some Japanese for me? Wanna see if it works in other dierction.:-)
23:05 < Peter-C> ???
23:06 < Justin_Bieber> BAKAYARO!!!!!
23:06 < Justin_Bieber> \
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23:12 < closedmouth> Dcoetzee: that came out as question marks
23:13 < closedmouth> <Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you read this: ???
23:13 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: That came out for me as wacky symbols
23:13 < Dcoetzee> I think all our clients are doing Unicode differently :-P
23:13 < petan> Dcoetzee ???
23:13 < petan> :)
23:13 * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
23:14 < Peter-C> Dcoetzee - favorite organ?
23:14 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: I can see Peter's kanji and quotes just fine. Your test was ??? for me too. You just don't have utf8 support active
23:14 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: But Peter-C said he could see my Japanese characters...
23:14 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: he lied
23:15 < Dcoetzee> Oh
23:15 < closedmouth> well, technically he /could/ read it
23:15 < mareklug> he probably meant he could see: <Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you read this: ???
23:16 < petan> maybe we could ask him instead
23:16 < petan> :D
23:16 * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
23:16 < petan> Peter-C did you see it as symbols or ??? :D
23:16 < Peter-C> ???
23:16 < petan> here we go
23:16 < Dcoetzee> I don't get it. I don't think kvirc has an option to turn it on.
23:17 < petan> Dcoetzee I would suggest you to install client written by me which is clearly better if it actually worked :D
23:17 < petan> but you probably wouldn't like it in this early dev phase
23:18 < Dcoetzee> But kvirc says "UNICODE support" in its feature list >:-(
23:20 < Dcoetzee> Okay I manually set it to UTF8, gonna reconnect.
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23:20 < Dcoetzee> ??? Does that look like Japanese now?
23:20 < petan> ye
23:20 < mareklug> yes
23:20 < Dcoetzee> Wooo
23:21 < Dcoetzee> Paste me some Japanese?
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23:21 < mareklug> ????????
23:21 < Dcoetzee> Yaaay I can see it
23:21 < petan> ??????????????????yes????????!:D
23:22 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Say something with an apostrophe now please? :-)
23:22 < Peter-C> '''''''''''''''''''''''''
23:22 < Dcoetzee> Yay those work too
23:22 < petan> ????????????????????Dcoetzee?
23:23 < Dcoetzee> petan: ???????????!???????????????Google??????????????!
23:23 < mareklug> welcome to the family, ???????
23:23 < petan> lol
23:23 < petan> :)
23:23 < Dcoetzee> :-)
23:24 < Peter-C> http://handsintheworld.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/why-emts-are-sexy/
23:24 < petan> Dcoetzee actually I used google as well
23:25 < Dcoetzee> petan: Ha
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23:25 < WhiskerBiscuit> I heard I missed a poop storm in here
23:25 < petan> WhiskerBiscuit ???????????!???????????????Google??????????????
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23:25 < petan> :D
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> I missed IRC drahma!
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> unfair unfair
23:26 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: If you want drama see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ANI
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> I saw it
23:26 < petan> WhiskerBiscuit google for logs, there are some
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> no need
23:26 < petan> troll organizations are good in logging this channel
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> ive got something funnier
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23:27 < WhiskerBiscuit> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stephanie_Adams_(3rd_nomination)&diff=505855942&oldid=505854966
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23:28 < WhiskerBiscuit> I've seen some prolific sockers before, but I've never seen one to try and rent a meatpuppet
23:28 < WhiskerBiscuit> rent-a-meat
23:28 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: Wow
23:29 < WhiskerBiscuit> since IRC doenst count I can say it without BLP. That chick is batshit crazy
23:30 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: Technically BLP only applies in article space
23:30 < Dcoetzee> But NPA is kinda universal
23:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> And the worse part is I think she stiffed her meat puppet
23:30 < Dcoetzee> Yeah that's pretty low
23:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> Some dude from the Philipines
23:30 < Dcoetzee> On the plus side, that means less people will find her offers credible in the future.
23:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> however he should have known what she asked him to do was wrong
23:31 < WhiskerBiscuit> no.. she deleted her account
23:31 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000
23:31 < Demiurge1000> Dcoetzee: BZZZZZZZZZZZT. BLP applies everywhere on Wikipedia, not just article space.
23:31 < Dcoetzee> Demiurge1000: Well that's stupid
23:31 < Demiurge1000> I know, innit great?
23:32 < WhiskerBiscuit> I swear, if she spent 1/10 of the time learning how to use RS and general editing she wouldnt have had to sock like an 8 headed hydra
23:32 < Demiurge1000> Wait, I was asleep. Grrrr.
23:32 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away
23:32 < Dcoetzee> Demiurge1000: How am I ever supposed to ask "I heard this negative fact about X, can anyone find a reference?"
23:32 < Guerillero> semied
23:32 < D1000|Away> Guerillero has just semi-protected every article with the letter X in it, just to be on the safe side :)
23:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> I've got a semi
23:33 < Guerillero> on the afd?
23:33 < closedmouth> by finding the reference yourself
23:33 < Guerillero> thanks demiurge
23:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> no, someone else found it. but I hadnt done a search recetnly
23:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> I actually found an elance ad, but it wasnt as explicit
23:34 < Dcoetzee> closedmouth: WP works because people collaborate. Those with a particular specialised skill or more time accomplish tasks others are unable to.
23:34 < Dcoetzee> Or with access to reference material, in this case
23:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> Well I contend this sock has inadvertandly helped wikipedia
23:34 < Dcoetzee> Rules that impede collaboration are bad.
23:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> she has helped identify several proxies
23:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> which are now clised
23:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> and maybe she helped stimulate the economy
23:37 < Dcoetzee> I don't like BLP in general, even in article space. It kills what makes the wiki process work. I have yet to see any evidence that anyone was ever actually damaged by material in their Wikipedia article, which presumably every sane person takes with a grain of salt.
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23:45 < Riley_Huntley> I need help finding an IRC server other than webchat.freenode.net
23:45 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: wasn't BLP a reaction to some particular notorious cases?
23:46 < Dcoetzee> It was a reaction to the Seigenthaler case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_biography_controversy
23:46 < Dcoetzee> It was vandalized for like 4 months, Seigenthaler wrote about it in USA Today.
23:46 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: why not use a client. it will ferret out a good server on its own
23:46 < Riley_Huntley> mareklug: Clients take a long time to open links
23:47 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: define long time. i don't notice that on Mac/Colloquy/Safari
23:47 < Riley_Huntley> 2-3 seconds
23:48 < Dcoetzee> I maintain that even in that case, no actual damage was done to his reputation or character. He was just upset about it.
23:48 < mareklug> i just loaded Dcoetzee last link. loads like regular link
23:48 < Riley_Huntley> What are you using?
23:48 < mareklug> ^^
23:48 < Riley_Huntley> K
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23:49 < Riley_Huntley> mareklug: I don't have a mac nor like them
23:49 < Riley_Huntley> Any other suggestions?
23:49 < mareklug> mebbe time to change... :) they seem to work. mine is even ancient, 2009.
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23:50 < Riley_Huntley> Can you have a tri or dual monitor with macs?
23:50 < mareklug> sure.
23:51 < mareklug> i recommend an iMac with a separate display or two
23:52 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: http://gigaom.com/apple/new-27-inch-imac-supports-dual-external-display-output/
23:53 < Apheori> 2009 is ancient?
23:53 < Riley_Huntley> Not all programs work with iMacs (I have a list of things). Anyways, I need a new IRC server, know any?
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23:54 < mareklug> Apheori: i was being funny. it was the most powerful iMac i could build in summer of 2009, and has max 8 gig memory.
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23:54 < Apheori> That seems like a lot.
23:55 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: but they do. you can run a windows or a brace of them, and linux virtually.
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23:55 * wctaiwan puts Apheori on a rocket and starts the countdown
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23:56 * Apheori has a heart attack.
23:56 < wctaiwan> dang.
23:56 < Riley_Huntley> ._. just find me a server xD
23:56 < WhiskerBiscuit> Guerillero: so tell me, what unsourced violation did I make?
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23:59 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: http://www.moreofit.com/similar-to/webchat.freenode.net/Top_10_Sites_Like_Freenode_Webchat/
23:59 < Riley_Huntley> "Unable to access the network"
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17:11 < Isarra> When admins move files on enwp, do they leave redirects?
17:11 < Matthew_> Isarra: They have the option not too...
17:12 < Isarra> Well, sure, but I'm wondering if they do, if there's any reason to, that sort of thing.
17:12 < Isarra> What with this being an encyclopedia, and all.
17:12 < Guerillero> i don't
17:12 < Isarra> Hrrm.
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17:13 < Isarra> Why can't categories be moved?
17:13 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSJAZSrT4E&feature=player_detailpage
17:13 < Isarra> Well, properly.
17:16 < Sven_Manguard> Isarra: flamability
17:16 < Sven_Manguard> MediaWiki would catch on fire if you moved categories.
17:16 < Isarra> I see.
17:16 < Isarra> Do they have special tabley thingies?
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17:16 < Sven_Manguard> Dumping all that gin on the servers couldn't have helped either
17:17 < Isarra> ...you tried it, didn't you. >.<
17:17 < Isarra> No wonder.
17:17 < Riley_Huntley> Oh right
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17:19 < yutsi> {{duck}}
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17:24 < LikeLakers2> holy crap
17:24 < LikeLakers2> my phone is hot as heck
17:24 < LikeLakers2> 121.1 F
17:25 < BarkingFish> LikeLakers2, what phone?
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17:32 < yutsi> If anyone's in the mood to rewrite leads, this one is in need of some TLC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_meditation
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17:32 < Guerillero> that is a death trap
17:33 < yutsi> hi
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17:34 < Fluffernutter> no one in their right mind touches the TM article
17:35 < Peter-C> WTF, I have 68 edits this month!?
17:35 < Peter-C> Must, gointo, overdrive.
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17:35 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, does it cause bad karma then?
17:35 < Fluffernutter> no, it causes arbcom to slap you upside the head usuall
17:35 < BarkingFish> 0.0
17:35 < Riley_Huntley> Peter-C: Tsk Tsk
17:35 < Peter-C> wut
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17:38 < yutsi> Are TM advocates especially aggressive?
17:39 < Guerillero> yes
17:39 < Guerillero> i once tried to comment on a RFC
17:39 < MJ94> Peter-C: go batty
17:39 < BarkingFish> yutsi, you'd think all that meditation would calm them down, apparently it doesn't.
17:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [+o eir] by ChanServ
17:39 < yutsi> lol
17:39 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-bo *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.34.43.13 eir] by eir
17:40 < yutsi> sounds like scientologists
17:40 < BarkingFish> Maybe they should drop one of the t's and try mediation
17:40 < yutsi> XD
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17:55 < Soapy> hi jasper
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18:02 < IRWolfie-> it possible to get wikibooks in the kindle format?
18:03 < IRWolfie-> (google no help)
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18:04 < BarkingFish> IRWolfie-, i don't think so- but there are websites out there which will convert files f.o.c into formats which can be read by a kindle
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18:06 < jakr> how can I see what pages a user is watching?
18:06 < WilliamH_UK> you cant
18:07 < Frood> you hack the database
18:07 < jakr> if a user is nominated for admin, can I ask him
18:07 < Frood> you can
18:07 < Frood> but if you oppose because something they have/don
18:08 < Frood> 't have, the crat will most likely discount the vote
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18:08 < Frood> or if you support
18:08 < Frood> because it's a bullshit question and a bullshit reason
18:08 < yutsi> Click for idiocy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Autofellatio
18:08 < SteveAway> Quick question.
18:09 < SteveAway> If a PD image has an unknown creation date, can it be used?
18:09 < Frood> SteveAway: How do you know it's PD?
18:09 < jakr> yutsi, haha
18:09 < SteveAway> on a government website
18:09 < Frood> Link?
18:09 < SteveAway> http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/oak/index.jsp
18:09 < IRWolfie-> jakr: people can be watching several hundred pages
18:10 < yutsi> lol User:Dontberidiculous is a bored housewife
18:10 -!- kim__ [~kim@2001:980:331a:1:225:22ff:fe7d:8a27] has joined #wikipedia-en
18:10 < kim__> nick kim_bruning
18:10 < jakr> IRWolfie-, oh its you
18:10 < kim__> oops
18:10 -!- kim__ is now known as kim_bruning
18:10 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: <3
18:10 < kim_bruning> better
18:10 < kim_bruning> ohai
18:10 < SteveAway> we need you at DRN :P
18:10 < IRWolfie-> jakr: yes I'm everywhere :>
18:10 < Peter-C> lulwtf - http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1B7758B7D08A221E&v=0BmK7pOuayI&feature=player_detailpage
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18:10 < SteveAway> i knoe you're retired and all
18:10 < SteveAway> but still
18:10 < jakr> IRWolfie-, jk, how is your research?
18:11 < Frood> SteveAway: kim_bruning is retired?
18:11 < SteveAway> well in a ways
18:11 < BarkingFish> SteveAway, i'd say yes to that being PD, possibly pd-usgov, and i don't think you need to know the creation date
18:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, In what sense?
18:11 < IRWolfie-> jakr: progress being made as normal :)
18:11 < SteveAway> What do you put in the date field?
18:11 < kim_bruning> Oh, retired DR
18:11 < kim_bruning> ;-)
18:11 < kim_bruning> yeah, sorta
18:11 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, I'll take a look at DRN in a sec
18:12 < kim_bruning> but I'm trying to update my rusty wiki skillz today
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18:12 < jakr> IRWolfie-, do you study statistic mechanics?
18:12 < kim_bruning> So I found a stubby stub article on NPP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupcake_Diaries
18:12 < kim_bruning> If I want to rescue it, I'm going to have to find an RS describing the series.
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18:13 < kim_bruning> This is trickier than it looks, since this looks to be a series of books aimed at young girls. Where would one go to find a review in anRS?
18:13 * kim_bruning scratches head
18:13 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: please become active again, Grand Master
18:13 -!- DeltaQuad is now known as DeltaQUad
18:13 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, heh, hey, you're the dude with the fellowship, right?
18:13 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: no shit :P
18:14 < kim_bruning> so you must be the master :-P
18:14 < SteveAway> we talked in NY for ages
18:14 < kim_bruning> norly?
18:14 < SteveAway> lol, {{cn}}
18:14 * Frood eyes DeltaQUad
18:14 < kim_bruning> ;-)(
18:14 -!- DeltaQUad is now known as DQ|sick
18:14 < Soapy> aw
18:14 < Frood> oh, sorry.
18:14 -!- DQ|sick is now known as DeltaQuad
18:14 < DeltaQuad> i'm feeling better now
18:14 < Frood> deltaquad you are drunk.
18:14 < Soapy> that was fast
18:15 * kim_bruning wonders if one can actually get help with articles on IRC anymore in this day and age :-P
18:15 < DeltaQuad> stupid freenode gave me the name when it kicked my computer out of standby
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18:15 < mareklug> kim_bruning: Mademoiselle, Seventeen? google search w/ "review"?
18:15 < BarkingFish> i didn't realise we had klingons at the olympics... look at this dude's last name. http://i.imgur.com/XLwvv.jpg
18:15 < BarkingFish> :)
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18:16 < Soapy> thats quite a name
18:16 < Soapy> what flag is that?
18:16 < kim_bruning> mareklug, If I just googleit w/ "review" I get many pages of user reviews on diverse review sites
18:16 < Soapy> 'IRI' doesnt suggest anything obvious
18:17 < Soapy> Iran?
18:17 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - holy ballsack
18:17 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/user/UCSDTraumaBurn
18:17 < yutsi>
18:17 < Soapy> English Wikipedia just has him listed as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeid_Mohammadpour
18:17 < yutsi>
18:18 < BarkingFish> Soapy, yeah, IRI is Iran
18:18 < Soapy> i woulve used IRN
18:19 < mareklug> kim_bruning: i tried and quickly found this: http://citybookreview.com/2012/04/the-cupcake-diaries/
18:19 < BarkingFish> Iran - IRI
18:19 < BarkingFish> Iraq - IRQ
18:19 < BarkingFish> http://geography.about.com/od/countryinformation/a/olympiccodes.htm
18:19 < kim_bruning> mareklug, looks like a blog site though :-/
18:19 < mareklug> no, looks like newspaper review section
18:20 < kim_bruning> hmmm...
18:20 < kim_bruning> okay, I'll take it
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18:20 < kim_bruning> that'll have to do
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18:22 < Frood> GUYS
18:22 < Frood> We have a problem.
18:22 < Frood> AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD has no treasurer.
18:22 < kim_bruning> mareklug, It's tricky to find rs among all the chaff nowadays ^^;;
18:22 < kim_bruning> AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD? WOTTA?
18:23 < kim_bruning> Frood, does it need one?
18:23 < Frood> The treasurer's term expired in January!
18:23 < Frood> kim_bruning: Perhaps.
18:23 < Isarra> Can't be that important if it's been this long.
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18:24 < kim_bruning> Frood, right, that's just not hoopy
18:24 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: <3
18:24 < kim_bruning> Frood, well, nominate yourself. If no one gives a bleep, you're it ;-)
18:24 < SteveAway> AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD
18:24 < SteveAway> lol
18:25 < kim_bruning> Frood, your first task will be to discover if there are still ?100 in the books
18:25 < yutsi> lol #botwar is awesome. You get automatic op
18:25 < kim_bruning> yutsi, and then you get Kickbanned right after? ;-)
18:25 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: I love intervening in disputes on talk pages
18:25 < yutsi> no
18:25 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, yup
18:25 < yutsi> I kickbanned like 10 people. lol
18:25 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ut oh
18:25 < SteveAway> people see my userpage and think "omg lol"
18:26 < SteveAway> I reserve it for rare situations though.
18:26 < yutsi> What?
18:26 < Fluffernutter> "#wikipedia-en: must be this mature to chat" is going to be my campaign slogan for World Dictator
18:27 < TeeTylerToe> ... That policy would be a disaster
18:27 < kim_bruning> I'm with the toe on this one
18:27 < bobrayner> Maturity? Here?
18:27 < Fluffernutter> a disaster, to require people to be able to behave unlike poo-flinging monkeys?
18:28 < Fluffernutter> bobrayner, I know, crazytalk
18:28 * kim_bruning goes over the channel with a fine toothed comb
18:28 < TeeTylerToe> Frankly I think poo-flinging monkies is overly optimistic
18:28 < kim_bruning> Hmmm, I can't detect any poo here.
18:28 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I thought it was the 100000 monkeys typing Shakespeare, personally
18:28 < SteveAway> kim_bruning: i love that effect.
18:29 < kim_bruning> SteveAway, hmm?
18:29 < kim_bruning> Fluffernutter, to be perfectly honest, I did get something like 2 useful lines of reply in the 20 minutes i was here
18:29 < kim_bruning> that's 1 bit of mature help every 10 minutes
18:30 * kim_bruning wonders if we should have a #wikipedia-en-collaboration or something <scratches head>
18:30 < kim_bruning> well, the channel no existy yet
18:30 < TeeTylerToe> Nah, this chat will never rise to the shakespeare producing randomness of 100,000 typewriter monkies. 'Tis all sound and fury, signifying nothing
18:31 < SteveAway> Fluffernutter: who's flinging poo?
18:32 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I see what you did there :-P
18:32 < yutsi> lol I'm kickbanning *everyone* on #botwar
18:32 < yutsi> join in on the fun
18:33 < SteveAway> yutsi: does it make you feel big?
18:33 * Fluffernutter sighs
18:33 < yutsi> No one does anything on the channel anyways
18:33 < yutsi> Everyone just kickbans lol
18:33 * SteveAway flings poo at yutsi
18:33 * yutsi deflects with his shield
18:33 < TeeTylerToe> people with the same privledge level can ban eachother?
18:33 < yutsi> yeah
18:34 < yutsi> join #botwar and I'll show you. >:D
18:34 < SteveAway> Fluffernutter: wanna do some DRN? :-)
18:34 * RD deletes DRN...handled.
18:34 < Fluffernutter> no, i want to no longer feel sick tonight (rl, i mean. not that you guys make me sick_
18:35 < SteveAway> ugh
18:35 < SteveAway> is it DR or RD
18:35 < yutsi> SteveAway: Try joining again. I wanna see if the bans actually do anythin
18:35 < SteveAway> CHANGE YOUR NICKNAME
18:35 < SteveAway> >_<
18:35 < RD> RD.
18:35 < SteveAway> you confuse me <_<
18:35 < RD> Is it yawAevetS?
18:35 < RD> Has it ever been? :P
18:35 * SteveAway is the person that does lots of DR
18:35 < SteveAway> omg
18:35 * RD does none
18:35 < RD> :P
18:36 < SteveAway> my brain is so confused i cant even type properly
18:36 * RD redirects DRN to Special:Block
18:36 < SteveAway> you don't do dispute resolution, you Resolve Disputes
18:36 < SteveAway> :P
18:36 < RD> Yes
18:38 < Demiurge1000> Guerillero: I've commented at that previously discussed section thread type thingy.
18:38 < Guerillero> cool
18:38 < Guerillero> i will take a look
18:39 < SteveAway> yutsi: unban me
18:40 < yutsi> kk
18:40 < yutsi> Done
18:40 < Guerillero> I would ask you to read canvas
18:41 < Demiurge1000> {{done}}
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18:42 < Demiurge1000> My suggestions there are made in good faith. Mind you, now I look at it, I didn't intend to potentially imply that /you/ might have had personal animosity towards TAP. I'll correct that, if you like.
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18:45 * Justin_Bieber unplugs his media center from teh internet, figures trying to watch Starcraft 2 on a CRT TV isn't worth it...
18:45 < Demiurge1000> Justin_Bieber: Don't you make your /own/ music?
18:45 < Demiurge1000> Ah, I mean "music"
18:45 < Justin_Bieber> lulz
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18:49 < TeeTylerToe> it's always sad to watch the last episode of better off ted
18:49 < TeeTylerToe> Justin Bieber's produced by the same alien brain spore that's been making all the country music for the past 20 years. It's growing
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18:57 < Guerillero> he can write some catchy songs
18:57 < mareklug> the best you can say about him is that he has a pretty and talented gf
18:58 < Guerillero> I am listening to relient k's cover of baby
18:59 < mareklug> have you heard marina and the diamonds' cover of boyfriend?
18:59 < jakr> Is there a conflict if someones username is the same as an ip?
19:00 < yutsi> I've almost taken over #botwar
19:00 < yutsi> I'm hungry. I think I'll make toast
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19:00 < Soapy> the software wont let you create a username that is an IP
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19:02 < jakr> yutsi, i think boths sides would call that discussion idiocy!
19:02 < jakr> yutsi, so how did you indend to mean it?
19:03 < yutsi> I meant that it's ridiculous that people are so offended by a penis
19:03 < yutsi> And it's legitimately useful in the article
19:03 < BarkingFish> right guys, I'm out. 3.03am and I need some sleep.
19:03 < BarkingFish> BBFN
19:03 < Soapy> bye
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19:03 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KTd4xb9k_E&feature=player_detailpage#t=18s
19:03 < Peter-C> O-o
19:04 < yutsi> lol
19:04 < jakr> yutsi, but are you a woman?
19:04 < yutsi> No, I'm a teenage guy
19:04 < SteveAway> no women exist on the internet.
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19:05 < jakr> yutsi, what exactly is your reaction to the image then?
19:05 < yutsi> lol rule 30
19:05 < yutsi> It's informative
19:06 < jakr> yutsi, then why isnt it on the front fu** page?
19:06 < yutsi> I mean, I wouldn't look at it in school, and it doesn't turn me on
19:06 < jakr> as image of the week or w.e
19:06 < yutsi> Cuz the articles not *that* good
19:06 < jakr> no just the image
19:07 < jakr> "Today's featured picture"
19:07 < TeeTylerToe> it would be nice if nsfw thumbnails on wp were ws
19:07 < SteveAway> Mitchazenia: really?
19:07 < wctaiwan> what happened to the image filter thing >.>
19:07 < SteveAway> 25,000 pages on your watchlist
19:07 < SteveAway> MBisanz: ohai
19:08 < Soapy> the image filter was cancelled
19:08 < wctaiwan> really? O_o
19:08 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, what is ws?
19:08 < wctaiwan> link me, if you don't mind.
19:08 < TeeTylerToe> worksafe
19:09 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, so you are saying that wikipedia must be censored to be worksafe!?
19:09 < TeeTylerToe> how did I say that?
19:10 < Soapy> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:_Personal_Image_Hiding_Feature
19:10 < Soapy> last month they suddenly switched from unanimous support to unanimous oppose
19:10 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, how is what you said different from the front page must be worksafe
19:11 < TeeTylerToe> I'm saying that if there's a nsfw image, for instance on an article on a part of the human anatomy, that the thumbnail be ws, but when you click it, you see the nsfw image
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19:12 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, oh
19:12 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, i guess you were responding to me
19:12 < jakr> *i thought*
19:13 < jakr> yutsi, anyway, would you support the autofelia image as a featured image of the day?
19:14 < kim_bruning> what does ws stand for here?
19:14 < jakr> worksafe
19:14 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, thats a good suggestion
19:15 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, have you suggested that on a talk page?
19:15 < kim_bruning> Soapy, that wasn't sudden ;-)
19:15 < kim_bruning> oh worksafe ;-)
19:15 < TeeTylerToe> no
19:15 < kim_bruning> So how does one define "worksafe"
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19:16 < kim_bruning> it turns out that you open a huuuuuge can of worms when you do that
19:16 < kim_bruning> some folks went "OHAI, I haz a can opener"
19:16 < kim_bruning> some folks went "NOOO!, WORMZ!"
19:17 < Soapy> i think if there's more pink pixels than any other color its not work safe
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19:17 < mareklug> um, not all people have pink...
19:17 < wctaiwan> Soapy: O_o wow, okay.
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19:17 < Peter-C> Pancreaticoduodenectomy
19:17 < Peter-C> Rolls right off the tongue
19:17 < kim_bruning> nsfw-est article on wikipedia, according to soapy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
19:17 < kim_bruning> ;-)
19:17 < TeeTylerToe> well, if it's interesting, it's probably not worksafe
19:18 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, Define interesting?
19:18 < TeeTylerToe> not safe for work
19:18 < Will-k_> Pancreaticduodenectomy is surprisingly easy to say.
19:18 < mareklug> if it is not damn work related, it is by definition not worksafe
19:18 < Peter-C> I know!
19:18 < SteveAway> learned something today
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19:18 < jakr> Soapy, i am new to that page you linked, where is the discussion?
19:18 < TeeTylerToe> but I'm joking that reading articles about things like say the higgs boson during work time would probably be time misspent
19:18 < Peter-C> Pancreaticoduodenectomy?
19:18 < Soapy> i dont think there was an on-wiki discussion
19:19 < TeeTylerToe> or the standard model
19:19 < SteveAway> You notice how you never ever see the silver and bronze chinese medallists at more than one olympics?
19:19 < Will-k_> Oops, forgot the "o" after "Pancreatic"
19:19 -!- [[ceradon]] is now known as ceradon
19:19 < Soapy> it was an in-person meeting where the board members switched from unanimously supporting an image filter to unanimously opposing it, except Jimbo, who switched later
19:19 < SteveAway> if they get silver or bronze theyre sent to a forced labour camp for the rest of their life
19:19 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o
19:19 < Sven_Manguard> SteveAway: You're an idiot
19:19 < Soapy> and summarizing it that way makes it sound like it was a decision made on a whim, but Im sure, as Kim Bruning says, there's more to the story
19:19 < Frood> Sven_Manguard: in a bad mood today?
19:20 < SteveAway> Sven_Manguard: you didnt see that article did you?
19:20 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G1IMM5XOwaM#t=71s -Define interesting ;-)
19:20 < Sven_Manguard> Forced labor camps?
19:20 < Sven_Manguard> Really?
19:20 < TeeTylerToe> was that the story about north korea or something?
19:20 < TeeTylerToe> refrigerators for gold medal winners
19:20 < Sven_Manguard> SteveAway: I don't know where you get your news from, but I get mine from /reliable sources/
19:20 < kim_bruning> Heh ;-)
19:20 < Soapy> labor camps would be too gentle for North Korea
19:21 < Soapy> after all, most of the population already lives in them
19:21 < jakr> Does anyone support the controversal content? if so why not put it as a featured photo on the front page?
19:21 < SteveAway> lol
19:21 < TeeTylerToe> maybe they force them to live in Ryugyong Hotel
19:21 < kim_bruning> jakr, de did that. That was interesting
19:21 < jakr> kim_bruning, ha
19:21 < jakr> kim_bruning, link?
19:21 < Sven_Manguard> Soapy: I'd think it'd be easier to photoshop the color of the medal and make the silver medal a gold medal and the medalist a national hero
19:21 < TeeTylerToe> good movie
19:22 < jakr> kim_bruning, maybe i should be asking for a link
19:22 < kim_bruning> oof, it's somewhere in the nsfw filter debate. Deep deep down
19:22 < jakr> kim_bruning, what was the reaction to it?
19:22 < mareklug> jakr: it was a very scary hairy vagina. we don't want to traumatize you, since you're so into penis
19:22 < jakr> should not be asking for a link*
19:23 < kim_bruning> jakr, the board proposed we should have an image filter.
19:23 < kim_bruning> jakr, (that was the reaction ;-)
19:23 < jakr> mareklug, haha and how was it educational?
19:23 < kim_bruning> I think it was featured image of the day or something
19:23 < Sven_Manguard> I support the filter. Because we should all, as a community, lie to our children and tell them that bad things and dirty things and uncomfortable things don't exist. Then, when they're all naive and clueless and get to middle school and are exposed to bad things, we, as a community, can blame the media, or minority culture, or opposing political parties
19:24 < mareklug> it educated me that porn photographers do better job than medical ones
19:24 < SteveAway> everyone knows commons is 45% cats, 45% penises, 10% everything else.
19:24 < Sven_Manguard> That's much easier than talking to children, right?
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19:24 < jakr> mareklug, well they do have different jobs
19:24 -!- andrewcrawford [~andrewcra@cpc3-cast8-2-0-cust294.20-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
19:24 < kim_bruning> actually, the board dropped the filter proposal so we DON'T have to have this debate again ;-)
19:24 < kim_bruning> (afaik)
19:25 < kim_bruning> though jwales is still at it, in a corner of his userspace ^^;;
19:25 < jakr> kim_bruning, does that mean there will be more nsfw as featured images?
19:25 < kim_bruning> jakr, That's up to the community
19:25 < Sven_Manguard> SteveAway: not true. Commons decided to stop accepting new penises. We don't want them. They have no value. They're out of scope. Now breasts and vaginas on the other hand, are clearly a different story.
19:25 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng
19:26 < Bsadowski1> =D
19:26 < SteveAway> wait commons has something like {{Db-penis}} now?
19:26 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, it's amazing that commons has more penises than breasts (if I get you right)
19:26 < Bsadowski1> I say get rid of the dicks on Commons.
19:26 < jakr> im playing devils advocate and am for the filter, but it seems like wp is being censored if there is no controversal content as featured articles
19:26 < kim_bruning> Bsadowski1, we need a FEW
19:26 < jakr> or image of the day
19:27 < kim_bruning> jakr, zigzacktly
19:27 < Bsadowski1> Hey Kim :)
19:27 < Demiurge1000> "Commons decided to stop accepting new penises. We don't want them. They have no value. They're out of scope. Now breasts and vaginas on the other hand, are clearly a different story" ... and a few lines ago, he refers to others as "children" :D
19:27 < Demiurge1000> Wow, just wow
19:27 < mareklug> image of the day is an excellent photo. most of our penises are shit self-portrait jobs
19:28 < kim_bruning> Bsadowski1, ohai!
19:28 < Sven_Manguard> kim_bruning: no, not really. My point is that Commons only really bothers arguing about the value of female sexyparts. Male sexyparts aren't controversial.
19:28 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, welcome to the intertubes :-/
19:28 < Sven_Manguard> I can only assume this is because most of the commons admins are men
19:28 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: Been here for a while, but glad to join you ;)
19:28 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, <GASP><SHOCK><HORROR>
19:28 < Demiurge1000> I'll let him rant, lol.
19:29 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, glad to have you, I'm sure! :-)
19:29 < Demiurge1000> Such a promising kiddie, that kim...
19:29 < TeeTylerToe> I actually think the internet has stockpiled enough penises to keep things going for a few years now
19:29 < Sven_Manguard> Demiurge1000 has a stick up his ass about me because I called him out for having a stick up his ass about Guerillero
19:29 < Demiurge1000> Gosh.
19:29 < Guerillero> can we not fight
19:29 < Guerillero> please
19:29 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, Thanks for the compliment. I feel young now! ;-)
19:29 < Demiurge1000> Guerillero: Good plan ;)
19:30 < yutsi> Don't we have enough sexual organs already? Geez, why do people come to Commons for their daily fix, instead of 4chan or PornHub
19:30 < jakr> TeeTylerToe, thats an interesting question in general, will the internet slow its growth?
19:30 < kim_bruning> This is the war room, no fighting please~!
19:30 < Demiurge1000> kim_bruning: Heh, I know that feeling from a few incidents
19:30 < Sven_Manguard> Let's see how long it lasts...
19:30 < kim_bruning> yutsi, we don't have that many afaik
19:30 < kim_bruning> we can't quite set up a wikipr0n just yet
19:30 < kim_bruning> Though, you know, that might actually be an awesome idea. It'd grow like heck
19:31 < Demiurge1000> Less than a dozen sexual organs per person... errr... I /think/ ?
19:31 < yutsi> wikiporn lol
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19:31 < kim_bruning> {reminder to self: be extremely wary of proposing Evil Plans that would *actually* work and possibly lead to world domination. Someone might carry them out}
19:31 < jakr> yutsi,hows was the toast? did you read where i highlighted you?
19:31 < TeeTylerToe> =]
19:31 < yutsi> We should make Wikiporn and then make stringent guidelines so only the best porn is shown
19:32 * kim_bruning is torn actually. I mean. I *do* claim to want world domination ;-)
19:32 < yutsi> Yeah I read it. And the toast was exquisite :)
19:32 < Demiurge1000> yutsi: Commons is already full of that.
19:32 < Fluffernutter> kim_bruning, you'd giggle too hard to be useful once you got it
19:32 < Demiurge1000> yutsi: But mostly of questionable quality and/or neutrality.
19:32 < kim_bruning> Fluffernutter, <giggle>
19:32 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has left #wikipedia-en []
19:32 < yutsi> Yeah, and mostly nerd penises
19:32 < Fluffernutter> I rest my case :P
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19:33 < Demiurge1000> people keep saying to me "just search toothbrush", and I just assume I'm going to believe that whatever they are talking about, is (1) bad, and (2) not something I will benefit from seeing
19:33 < TeeTylerToe> there was an interesting article in the paper. The only stuff congress can pass these days are government giveaways to companies that donate to both parties
19:34 < kim_bruning> While I think filters are a bad idea
19:34 < Frood> Demiurge1000: probably somebody masturbating.
19:34 < WilliamH_UK> commons doesn't only have dicks
19:34 < kim_bruning> I would be totally in favor of better categorization or tagging or whatnot at commons
19:34 < WilliamH_UK> remember, there's quite a few randy middle aged euro women that do funky things with cucumbers
19:34 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: you forgot about naming post offices
19:34 < Demiurge1000> Frood: I don't have any need or wish to speculate. I am simply not curious.
19:34 < Soapy> i saw a porn image with a tootshbrush in it once
19:34 < kim_bruning> to prevent people seeing unexpected search results
19:34 < TeeTylerToe> renaming post offices
19:34 < TeeTylerToe> why can't they just keep renaming the same postoffice?
19:34 < Frood> ...moving right along...
19:35 < yutsi> I don't understand why Vevo censors Eminem. I mean, are Eminem fands offended by 'fuck'?
19:35 < Fluffernutter> WilliamH_UK: the most memorable cucumber pic I've come across on commons involves a man. Definitely a man. A rather, er, unique man.
19:35 < Demiurge1000> Although, the idea of bringing Commons under .en control, just to sort it out, is slightly amusing.
19:35 < WilliamH_UK> haha oh wow
19:35 < kim_bruning> yutsi, yotube policy IIRC
19:35 < yutsi> No, you can curse in youtube videos
19:35 < kim_bruning> which, you know, we really need a proper free video streaming site
19:35 < yutsi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9_TKayu9s
19:35 < yutsi> They censor "motherfucker"
19:35 < Frood> vevo censors
19:35 < kim_bruning> yutsi, yeah, I'm not sure what the poilicy is
19:35 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en
19:35 < Frood> it's their company policy, not youtube's
19:36 < yutsi> Vevo doesn't censor songs by The Bloodhound Gang, though
19:36 * kim_bruning just noticed that FPSRussia got a lot more polite
19:36 < TeeTylerToe> why couldn't the post office sell post office names?
19:36 < Frood> yes, they do.
19:36 < Sven_Manguard> Demiurge1000: Commons has a condescending view towards the mess that is English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia has a condescending view towards the mess that is Commons. And German Wikipedia is shaking their head at all of us.
19:36 < Frood> [[VEVO]] states that
19:36 < TeeTylerToe> so you could go to like the verizon south boston post office?
19:36 < kim_bruning> Frood, TIL :-)
19:36 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, that's a beautiful description
19:36 < TeeTylerToe> or the fedex north boston post office
19:36 < wctaiwan> is it just me or did RFA unbonker itself during the past couple of weeks, without any apparent plan at reform?
19:37 < wctaiwan> And now I just jinxed it.
19:37 < Sven_Manguard> wctaiwan: no you didn't, there's a whole thread on just that
19:37 < wctaiwan> oh, I didn't look.
19:37 < Soapy> Some people think there was a Wikimania-induced boom
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19:37 < wctaiwan> it's starting to look like a trend and not just a "people being nice after wikimania" thing
19:37 < Soapy> like a baby boom, but with admins instead of babies
19:37 < wctaiwan> I hope it keeps on.
19:37 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I like to think my subtle moves did it
19:37 < Sven_Manguard> the process is still kinda damaged, we just have a bunch of good candidates running
19:37 < wctaiwan> what did you do kim_bruning?
19:38 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I doubt it will. But we'll see
19:38 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I was WAY too subtle to actually be the cause... I think
19:38 < wctaiwan> Soapy: I really like that btw :p
19:38 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:RFA#RFA_is_not_broken.3F
19:38 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I simply asked "is this process still in use" ? ;-)
19:38 < Sven_Manguard> wctaiwan: for example, people are still asking useless questions at the additional questions section
19:38 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, define useless question?
19:38 < TeeTylerToe> there are parts of wikipedia that aren't broken?
19:39 < Sven_Manguard> kim_bruning: you figure it out
19:39 < Sven_Manguard> TeeTylerToe: No. :D
19:39 < kim_bruning> Sven_Manguard, I'm asking for your personal opinion, actually. :-)
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19:40 < wctaiwan> Sven_Manguard: at least the good candidates aren't being shot down with absolutely silly reasons.
19:40 < Sven_Manguard> kim_bruning: for one thing, *anything* that comes out of keepscases' mouth
19:40 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Archive_217#This_process_appears_to_be_inactive
19:40 < yutsi> Notice how this isn't censored: http://youtu.be/If9fC9aJd-U
19:40 < Sven_Manguard> thankfully keepscases has been away for a while
19:40 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, otoh, maybe me spreading rumors about it at wikimania may have had an effect ;-)
19:40 < wctaiwan> nice :p
19:41 < kim_bruning> yutsi, This YouTube video may contain inappropriate content for some users.
19:41 < kim_bruning> Please sign in to confirm your age.
19:41 < yutsi> So Vevo allows cursing if the video is flagged???
19:41 * TeeTylerToe denies that he's the uncontested sex god of all time
19:41 < yutsi> I think Vevo's inconsistent
19:41 < mareklug> tutsi himself might be too young for it :)
19:41 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/SarahStierch&diff=prev&oldid=504134397
19:41 < Soapy> lol
19:41 < yutsi> lol Bloodhound gang is fucking awesome
19:41 < mareklug> yutsi
19:41 < Soapy> keepscases opposed SarahStierch because there already was an admin named Sarah
19:42 < yutsi> mom and dad this is chasey chasey this is my mom and dad
19:42 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, anyway, statistically, RFA usage is declining, so sooner or later, it's going to be {{historical}}, whether people want it to be or not.
19:42 < Sven_Manguard> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....
19:42 < SigmaWP> Frood: Which of the 50 debian ISOs do I download
19:42 < wctaiwan> hey SigmaWP
19:42 < yutsi> Kim_bruning: Then how will people become admins?
19:42 < Frood> SigmaWP: the right one
19:42 < kim_bruning> yutsi, they won't
19:43 < kim_bruning> is that a problem? Hmmm, *maybe* ;-)
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19:43 < yutsi> kim_bruing: Well, eventually the current admins will die. :O
19:43 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: I don't see that happening. I think we've pretty much hit the low point prior to wikimania. i.e. a couple of candidates per month.
19:43 -!- Will-k_ [~Will-k@unaffiliated/makeshift] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
19:43 < wctaiwan> There will always be aspiring admins, and as backlogs visibly pile up, people will adjust their standards according
19:43 < wctaiwan> free market economy, man!
19:43 < kim_bruning> if you look at all the graphs, you see that it's been declining since 2005 or 2006 or so
19:43 < Daley> yutsi ... We'd have to go to their funeral and pay for it out of wikipedia funds.
19:43 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|away
19:43 < yutsi> lol
19:43 < mareklug> SigmaWP: the last one for your architecture, either the stable one or the unstable one as you like to play with fire
19:43 < wctaiwan> accordingly*
19:43 -!- DJMalik [b5b741ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.183.65.234] has joined #wikipedia-en
19:44 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, so your hypothesis has already been disproved by the empirical evidence :-P
19:44 < Soapy> i think you can pin down the decline of RfA to the spring of 2008
19:44 < DJMalik> !info DJMalik
19:44 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: how so?
19:44 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, (sadly)
19:44 < Frood> no bots in here, DJMalik
19:44 < kim_bruning> lemme actually get a graph...
19:44 < Soapy> that is when rollback was unbundled, thus you no longer needed to be an admin to use rollback
19:44 < DJMalik> Frood: I do not understand
19:45 < Frood> DJMalik: There arae no bots in here.
19:45 < kim_bruning> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/3-charts-that-show-how-wikipedia-is-running-out-of-admins/259829/
19:45 < kim_bruning> here's an RFA discussion on that too:
19:45 < TeeTylerToe> I download the debian net install because then I can download the packages I need
19:45 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:RFA#Process
19:45 -!- Tiptoety [~Tiptoety@wikipedia/Tiptoety] has joined #wikipedia-en
19:45 < DJMalik> ok
19:45 < kim_bruning> and I concur with soapy, spring 2008 is correct. I'm not sure why I said 2005/2006
19:45 < jakr> did you ever notice that from the palm of a black persons hand they look like a white persons hands?
19:46 < DJMalik> Quien habla espa?ol
19:46 < TeeTylerToe> the numbers in that chart don't add up
19:46 < kim_bruning> Soapy, you think that that's the reason? Interesting
19:46 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, example?
19:46 < Sven_Manguard> jakr: if you look very closely at the palm of a white person's hands you'll notice that they are also lighter than the rest of the hand.
19:47 < kim_bruning> Soapy, I'd be all for MORE unbundeling actually. :-)
19:47 < jakr> Sven_Manguard, hm
19:47 < TeeTylerToe> for '09 the oddly named "year admins became editors", if that's what I think it is, obviously doesn't add up
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19:47 < jakr> Sven_Manguard, from less sun exposure?
19:47 -!- Anto|away is now known as Antonorsi
19:47 < Sven_Manguard> jakr: no idea, but it's like that in everyone, so I'd guess it's biological
19:47 < Demiurge1000> While we're at it, someone fix this silly list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underdog_%28competition%29 ... with references from Herodotus, at least.
19:47 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, I'm not sure what that means ..... lessee iof I can get an original of that graph
19:47 < DJMalik> Hola Antonorsi que haces ac?
19:47 < Soapy> the reason why palms are lighter is because the outer layers of the skin of the palms has no melanin in it, in any person
19:47 < TeeTylerToe> it's not important
19:48 < Soapy> melanin cells are found in the outermost layers in the rest of the body
19:48 < Sven_Manguard> Ah. Makes sense
19:48 < jakr> Soapy, sure, but why did we evolve that we?
19:48 < Soapy> but not the palms and soles of the feet
19:48 < jakr> way?
19:48 < Sven_Manguard> Soapy: what about the bottoms of the feet
19:48 < Sven_Manguard> oh... jinx
19:48 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/RFA_by_month <- slight variant
19:48 < Antonorsi> DJMalik: If you are not going to talk english, go to es.wiki
19:48 < Soapy> maybe because when we were crawling on all fours, that was the part that was in contact with the ground, and had to be the toughest
19:48 < Antonorsi> in english*
19:49 < kim_bruning> DJMalik, Hola, what's up?
19:49 < wctaiwan> melanin is bad for sturdiness?
19:49 < kim_bruning> Antonorsi, be nice!
19:49 < DJMalik> Antonorsi: or like you are in the English wikipedia I was surprised to see you here
19:49 < jakr> oh
19:50 < jakr> DJMalik, you speak english
19:50 < Soapy> no, melanin actually is very sturdy
19:50 < kim_bruning> Demiurge1000, geh, too much work
19:50 < SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
19:50 < Demiurge1000> Herodotus is so easy though.
19:50 < BlackBeast> hola
19:50 < Antonorsi> kim_bruning: :) DJMalik It's a kid from es.wiki
19:50 < DJMalik> Otro m?s que se coleo BlackBeast
19:51 < yutsi> The singer for Falco sounds like he's having a seizure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA
19:51 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, do you have enough sources to say "ok, so maybe we're decling for a while now" ?
19:51 < Soapy> Im not sure "why" there's no melanin in the outer layers of the palms, it may be due to chance
19:51 < kim_bruning> Antonorsi, cool
19:51 < BlackBeast> hi Soapy
19:51 < BlackBeast> hi kim_bruning
19:51 < Soapy> hi
19:51 < BlackBeast> Logan_: hola! como estas?
19:51 < Demiurge1000> Herodotus literally writes like "so I heard they{{who}} say that the tribes down there{{clarification needed}} are all 9 feet tall{{dubious}}"
19:51 < wctaiwan> kim_bruning: Yes, okay. But I still think we've pretty much bottomed out :p
19:51 < Soapy> the human body has a lot of weird quirks that dont make sense
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19:52 < kim_bruning> Antonorsi, how do you say "Awesome!" (or some similar exclamation) in spanish, actually?
19:52 < wctaiwan> unless it's going to be multiple months with a single successful RfA next....
19:52 < jakr> Demiurge1000, haha, what do you mean? that was added in one edit?
19:52 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, I think that's pretty much inevitable, if trends continue
19:52 < Demiurge1000> jakr: Yeah, in about 453 B.C.
19:52 * BlackBeast hugs SigmaWP
19:52 < TeeTylerToe> what's the big crisis? sure there was a peak in number of admins for two years, but historically, 870 admins or whatever is fine
19:52 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, at which point I get to put up a nice {{historical}}. Preferably a bit early (RADIANT style ;-)
19:53 < wctaiwan> you'll be taken to ANI for it :p
19:53 * DJMalik Over here if people
19:53 < Demiurge1000> jakr: He wrote shit like that down, in great detail and volume, and since no-one else had ever written shit like that down before (in quite that way), he became "the father of history" ... and also... "the father of lies"
19:53 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, we know RFA is broken for years now. Actually the concept of adminship is kinda broken
19:53 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, so if we can kill it with fire, that'd be good
19:53 < TeeTylerToe> rfa?
19:53 -!- SigmaWP is now known as SigmAway
19:53 < Demiurge1000> TeeTylerToe: Sadly, Herodotus died long before RfA was available
19:53 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, sure I will, but I've been taken to ANI for trying to *stop* people from historicalizing processes too
19:53 < jakr> Demiurge1000, do you read latin?
19:54 < wctaiwan> heh
19:54 < wctaiwan> Demiurge1000: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally :)
19:54 < Demiurge1000> jakr: Yes, but slowly
19:54 < Demiurge1000> jakr: All educated people read Latin, right?
19:54 * TeeTylerToe creates a wikipedia account to post roman graffiti slander in rfa, like "I hear bob takes it from his servant" <- a joke
19:54 < mareklug> kim_bruning: well, you could always http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/co?o#Interjection
19:55 < jakr> would wikipedia ever combine with wikihow?
19:55 -!- BlackBeast [~chatzilla@wikimedia/BlackBeast] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]]
19:55 < yutsi> no
19:55 < kim_bruning> hmm, seems more like an expletive
19:55 < Demiurge1000> TeeTylerToe: Roman graffiti about 2000 years ago was a lot worse than that. They liked to be specific about exactly which part of who was going in where
19:55 < kim_bruning> jakr, hmm, don't think so
19:56 < Anto|away> kim_bruning: It depends on the country. If you are in Venezuela (where I'm from) it would be: "Que arrecho!" (but that's a "filthy" word in other countries)
19:56 < kim_bruning> Anto|away, drat! Anything usefully universal? like , I don't know, "spiffy!"
19:56 < TeeTylerToe> lol
19:56 < kim_bruning> "spiffy situation here, wot wot?!"
19:57 < Soapy> if wikiHow is as bad as it was 4 years ago, we should stay far away from them
19:57 < Anto|away> "Increible!" or "Qu? bien!"
19:57 < Demiurge1000> Same with Commons.
19:57 < kim_bruning> AntiSpamMeta, those are boring, but will have to do ;-)
19:57 < Soapy> because it was basically 100% OR. But, again, I havent been there in years, maybe theyve cleaned up
19:57 < DJMalik> Hola, Hi Soapy
19:58 < jakr> Soapy, hm
19:58 < wctaiwan> Soapy: they don't think OR is bad though.
19:58 < kim_bruning> Soapy, OR is ok in some wikis
19:58 < kim_bruning> Soapy, like wikinews , or wikihow
19:58 < jakr> Soapy, i have found the articles helpful at times
19:58 < Soapy> yes
19:58 < jakr> at wikihow that is
19:58 < mareklug> kim_bruning: you gotta watch your interjections, lest you come across, um, effete. a well palced grudging co?o is a good thing to know and have :)
19:58 < kim_bruning> Soapy, OR rules on en.wikipedia suck anyways :-P
19:58 < wctaiwan> in fact for how to guides OR is perfectly okay in most cases. But no, we shouldn't use them for Wikipedia.
19:58 < Soapy> but I dont think the Wikimedia foundation should ever go there
19:59 < wctaiwan> well it seems they're doing a travel guide...
19:59 < wctaiwan> are they going to enforce WP:V there? >.>
19:59 < kim_bruning> mareklug, sweet of you to apprise me of that, dear.
19:59 * kim_bruning ducks
20:00 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, sort of, if you go there and it's different, you get to modify the article ;-)
20:01 < Soapy> i meant to vote against the travel guide
20:01 < Soapy> is it too late?
20:01 < Peter-C> Anyone here good at fixing citations?
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20:02 < kim_bruning> Soapy, what's your issue?
20:02 < kim_bruning> Soapy, I talked with the folks at wikimania, maybe I can answer it
20:02 < Soapy> well
20:02 < Soapy> to be honest I dont have an opinion I can really defend strongly
20:02 < kim_bruning> that's ok, that's what IRC is for ;-)
20:02 < Soapy> thats why I didnt write anything when I was at the page before
20:03 < kim_bruning> (scroll back for many examples ;-)
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20:03 < Soapy> I just dont think a user-editable travel guide is a good idea in general
20:03 < kim_bruning> Oh, how come?
20:03 < wctaiwan> IRC: strengthening your argument as you fight it out with others
20:03 < Soapy> like I said I cant give you a strong answer to that
20:03 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, zigzacktly
20:03 < SigmAway> wctaiwan: hi
20:03 < wctaiwan> I could see at least one problem with it
20:03 < kim_bruning> Soapy, you're aware that wikitravel and wikivoyage exist currently?
20:03 < Peter-C> [[Pancreatic injury]] - can someone fix [4]
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20:04 < kim_bruning> Soapy, provided the decision passes, they'll come under WMF flag, and merge
20:04 < wctaiwan> opinions about a place are horribly subjective.
20:04 < kim_bruning> else they have a server out in switzerland they can use, in which case they'll continue outside WMF
20:04 < Soapy> you mean we'd just be adopting previously existing wiki sites?
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20:05 < Soapy> have we ever done that before?
20:05 < kim_bruning> Soapy, well, technically we're sort of starting a new site, but we'll be getting all the users, admins, developers etc from those other sites
20:05 < wctaiwan> what about content?
20:05 < kim_bruning> Soapy, not that I'm aware of
20:05 < Soapy> ok
20:05 < kim_bruning> wctaiwan, content is CC-BY-SA, so yes
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20:06 < kim_bruning> actually, very early on, we merged gnupedia and nupedia content into wikipedia
20:06 < kim_bruning> (and one other encyclopedia, <tries to recall>
20:07 < Soapy> I didnt know that there was a Gnupedia
20:07 < wctaiwan> I need to go. Laters.
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20:08 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNE_%28encyclopedia%29
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20:09 < Soapy> i wonder if Stallman edits Wikipedia
20:10 < Frood> RMS is an idiot
20:10 < Frood> well, that was broad
20:10 < Soapy> you dont like him?
20:10 < kim_bruning> franny, idiot savant
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20:10 < yutsi> I don't like RMS
20:10 < Frood> what he does is cool
20:10 * kim_bruning apologizes to franny
20:10 < yutsi> He's so annoying
20:10 < Frood> but really
20:10 < kim_bruning> Frood, idiot savant
20:10 < Frood> he basically said steam on linux was evil
20:10 < Frood> because of DRM
20:10 < yutsi> He thinks everything is evil
20:10 < Frood> and that goes against Linux's ideals...?
20:10 < kim_bruning> Frood, zigzacktly
20:10 < kim_bruning> Frood, no, it goes against his ideals
20:10 < yutsi> According to him, people who use proprietary software are sellouts
20:11 < Frood> i wasn't aware that rms was linus torvalds
20:11 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rmstallman
20:11 < TeeTylerToe> I don't think he likes binaries either
20:11 < Soapy> not active
20:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, RMS and Linus have slightly different views on the world
20:11 < TeeTylerToe> I guess that means he's consistent
20:11 < yutsi> DRM is bad, but sometimes you have to deal with proprietary software
20:11 < yutsi> Linus is awesome
20:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, the last time LInus told RMS to stuff it, a year or two later he had to eat crow though ;-)
20:11 < mareklug> Frood: that was very bold for a high school student about a McArthur Fellow, who also happens to be the world's (arguably) best programmer
20:11 < kim_bruning> Frood, (think bitkeeper controversy. He had to write a new VCS (GIT) from scratch :-/)
20:12 < Frood> kim_bruning: git is nice.
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20:12 < Frood> mareklug: everything that's not GPL'd is evil to him, pretty much.
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20:12 < TeeTylerToe> there are crazier stances to take
20:12 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GNU&diff=prev&oldid=28409653 < zomg COI editing. But PROPERLY
20:12 < yutsi> RMS is a douche.
20:12 < yutsi> period.
20:13 < Frood> i don't even like the GPL, the fact that it lets you keep open source programs closed source bugs me
20:13 < kim_bruning> yutsi, anyone who ends their sentences with "period", is an idiot. Period. :-P
20:13 < yutsi> lol
20:13 < yutsi> I had to do it for emphasis
20:13 < kim_bruning> Frood, it does whothewhatsit?
20:13 < Frood> if i release my software as open source, i want it open to everyone, no matter what
20:13 < mareklug> Frood: look up idiot in the dictionary b4 you use it again. just a friendly advicee
20:13 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ;-)
20:13 < kim_bruning> Frood, good for you
20:13 < Frood> if people want to sell it, great
20:13 < kim_bruning> Frood, and I found out the hard way that GPL is the best way to do that
20:14 < kim_bruning> Frood, and by hard way, I mean it included lawyers
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20:14 < kim_bruning> ohai LL2
20:14 < Frood> as long as the source to what you're selling is available
20:14 < Frood> to everybody
20:14 < Frood> not just people who buy it
20:14 < yutsi> I used to use CC-BY-NC-SA, but now I use Simplified BSD license
20:14 < kim_bruning> well, which license does that?
20:14 < TeeTylerToe> Ithink there are actually a few companies that follow the rules of GPL
20:14 < kim_bruning> Frood, I think GPL strikes a very credible balance.
20:14 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, a lot of companies do, actually
20:15 < yutsi> GPL's too complicated
20:15 < yutsi> Simplified BSD is easy to understand
20:15 < TeeTylerToe> I think a lot more abuse it, but that's just a guess
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20:15 < TeeTylerToe> linksys does
20:15 < TeeTylerToe> obey the rules
20:15 < yutsi> OR ELSE
20:15 < kim_bruning> Frood, and some of the crazier "no wai, wtf did they put that in there" stuff, suddenly becomes relevant when you're talking with your lawyer and sending legal threats back and forth
20:15 < Frood> kim_bruning: i'll admit, GPL has its place
20:15 < Frood> But I'm not a huge fan of it
20:15 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, GPL is actually fairly easy to enforce.
20:16 < Demiurge1000> Just kill everyone!
20:16 < Demiurge1000> Then no-one is in breach of the license!
20:16 < yutsi> My programmer friend exclusively uses MIT license
20:16 < kim_bruning> Frood, I actually went MIT license for a while, but now I've had real life experience
20:16 < Krenair> <Frood> i don't even like the GPL, the fact that it lets you keep open source programs closed source bugs me
20:16 < Krenair> Umm, maybe I'm missing something here
20:16 < yutsi> kim_bruing: Do you code?
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20:16 < kim_bruning> Frood, what I've discovered is that RMS is not some misguided idealist, but rather someone who has got badly burned in the real world
20:16 < Krenair> How the hell does GPL let you keep open source programs closed?
20:16 < kim_bruning> Frood, and speaks from experience
20:16 < Frood> Krenair: i sound like a crazy person, don't i?
20:17 < kim_bruning> yutsi, the mediawiki svn repo (now GIT) , says that I do ;-)
20:17 < yutsi> ah
20:17 < kim_bruning> last time I looked I was just ahead of some of the WMF folks, but by now they'll have caught up :-P
20:17 < TeeTylerToe> how easy is it to prove that a closed source program that could be embedded in hardware uses your source code?
20:17 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, depends on whether they've stripped it ;-)
20:17 < yutsi> kim_bruning: The thing about RMS that annoys me isn't his views, it's how annoying he is about them. Like how he INSISTS that you say GNU-slash-Linux and badgers you if you don't.
20:18 < Frood> Krenair: "The GPL permits anyone to make a modified version and use it without ever distributing it to others. "
20:18 < Frood> so, it's legally considered open source, because it's still GPL
20:18 < kim_bruning> yutsi, Not like that isn't now relevant, what with there being android-slash-linux
20:18 < Frood> but they don't have to release it
20:18 < yutsi> Why not GNU/Linux/X.org/Perl/Python
20:18 < kim_bruning> and gnu-slash-darwin
20:18 < TeeTylerToe> No, I mean, say some asian company sells 100,000 units of some random appliance with your code. It's not like someone flicks on the bat signal
20:18 < kim_bruning> and gnu-slash-bsd
20:18 < Krenair> Frood: I'm really not sure forcing release for every modification is a good idea at all
20:18 < yutsi> It's annoying to say it that way, though
20:19 < yutsi> For the purposes of simplification, Linux is the way to go in terms of naming
20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, quite so. if you have a better suggestion, I'll pass it on to the FSF :-)
20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, but VERY confusing these days
20:19 < TeeTylerToe> Look! In the sky! The bat signal! Someone is using my hello world program written in brainfuck!
20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, android is linux too
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20:19 < kim_bruning> yutsi, but the UI is nothing like say ubuntu
20:19 < kim_bruning> (which is a gnu/linux system)
20:19 < yutsi> kim_bruing: Here's my suggestion: Linux
20:20 < kim_bruning> (and in that last line, the slash is extremely relevant)
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20:20 < yutsi> It has a nice ring to it and only two syllables!
20:20 < Krenair> People calling Linux distros "GNU/Linux" really annoy me.
20:20 < yutsi> Krenair: I agree
20:20 < TeeTylerToe> isn't ubuntu's new UI designed to be used with smartphones?
20:20 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ok, well, you just go ahead and run an apache server on your telephone
20:20 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, tablets
20:20 < yutsi> kim_bruning: What?
20:20 < yutsi> That's irrelevant
20:20 < Krenair> People calling Linux distros "Linux" also annoys me, but significantly less
20:20 < TeeTylerToe> ah
20:20 < Krenair> annoy*
20:20 < yutsi> Linux sounds nice. Why not just keep it simple?
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, your telephone is Linux. Two Syllables, never a misunderstanding. Right?
20:21 < yutsi> My telephone is iOS, which is partly BSD
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, so, apache runes on Linux. So apache runs on your phone. Right?
20:21 < yutsi> no linux on my phone
20:21 < TeeTylerToe> my cell phone runs vegan iced chai latte, the new android update
20:21 < Soapy> i wonder if microsoft has contributed any code to Linux
20:21 < yutsi> lol
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, ok, unless you have a horrid apple phone
20:21 < Frood> Soapy: A lot.
20:21 < Pharos> hi wikipedians
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, but saying you have a google inspired one
20:21 < yutsi> kim_bruning: It's good if you jailbreak. ;)
20:21 < Frood> They were one of the biggest contributors in 2011, iirc.
20:21 < kim_bruning> yutsi, we call that Android ;-)
20:21 < Soapy> really? interesting
20:22 < kim_bruning> or Android/Linux
20:22 < Soapy> I wonder what their motive is
20:22 < kim_bruning> Else you're actually confuzzeling people
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20:22 < TeeTylerToe> Microsoft has contributed a lot of code to linux that helps it interoperate with windows so that they can charge more server seat licesnses
20:22 < kim_bruning> yutsi, there actually *is* a gnu userland available for android phones
20:22 < yutsi> kim_bruning: Wouldn't it be Android/GNU/Linux?
20:22 < kim_bruning> in which case you have Android/GNU/Linux
20:22 < Krenair> Soapy, apparently they contributed changes to get Linux working on their cloud platform
20:22 < TeeTylerToe> drivers that let people pay microsoft for licenses running windows in vm
20:22 < kim_bruning> yutsi, In that case yes. But the default userland on android does not feature GNU
20:22 < Soapy> ok
20:23 < TeeTylerToe> Microsoft isn't so big on code that helps you if you aren't running windows
20:23 < yutsi> If I called my Android phone an Android/Linux phone (in theory) people would think I was crazy.
20:23 < Krenair> Which was obviously needed by them because otherwise no one would bother with it :)
20:23 < Frood> well, not a lot
20:23 < Frood> 1% accordin to the Linux Foundation
20:23 < kim_bruning> yutsi, normally you don't need to do that, unless you start deviating
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20:23 < Soapy> Microsoft has released Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX which contains GPL-licensed code. In July 2009, Microsoft itself released a body of around 20,000 lines of Linux driver code under the GPL.[84] The Hyper-V code that is part of the submitted code used open-source components licensed under the GPL and was originally statically linked to proprietary binary parts, the latter being
20:23 < Soapy> inadmissible in GPL-licensed software.[85]
20:23 < yutsi> kim_bruning: How does it not feature GNU? They rewrote *all* of the *nix utilities from scratch???
20:23 < kim_bruning> yutsi, for instance, if you install some of the proposed ubuntu stuff on your android, then you suddenly have eg. android/gnu/linux :-P
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20:24 < kim_bruning> yutsi, even differenter. The entire userland runs on JVM under linux
20:24 < yutsi> Alright, now I'm reaching the limit of my technical expertise
20:24 < yutsi> lol
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20:24 < yutsi> I haven't really used Linux much in recent times. Most of the programs I use are windows-only.
20:25 < yutsi> I need a secondary laptop that's actually powerful
20:25 < TeeTylerToe> but corporations do contribute a lot of code to linux
20:26 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, especially redhat and canonical ;-)
20:26 < kim_bruning> TeeTylerToe, and Novel
20:26 < kim_bruning> (they bought SuSE)
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20:27 < TeeTylerToe> iirc Novel's become a pawn
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20:28 < TeeTylerToe> Red Hat, Intel, Novell, IBM, Texas Instruments, Broadcom, Nokia, Samsung, Oracle and Google
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20:32 < kim_bruning> ok, need zzz
20:32 < kim_bruning> G'night everyone!
20:32 < TeeTylerToe> night
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20:37 < TeeTylerToe> surprised HP isn't there
20:39 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: HP had its WebOS crew hired away by Google, remember
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20:40 < TeeTylerToe> I guess, they do a lot of server stuff with linux too
20:41 < mareklug> what about all the national governments/their agencies that develop linux-vased supercomputers
20:41 < mareklug> based
20:42 < ChrisGualtieri> Anyone good with coding online?
20:43 < TeeTylerToe> there are parallel computing systems
20:43 < yutsi> coding what?
20:43 < TeeTylerToe> the national labs have some programs
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20:43 < ChrisGualtieri> Coding for Wikipedia
20:43 < ChrisGualtieri> As in making scripts, programs and junk
20:43 < yutsi> oh
20:44 < TeeTylerToe> try #php
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20:44 < TeeTylerToe> if you have specific questions about wikimedia extensions ask in here
20:45 < ChrisGualtieri> Well I've been bugging dcoetzee pretty bad lately, but I'm wondering about creating new extensions and AWB like plugins or tools
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20:49 < ChrisGualtieri> Always goes quiet...
20:51 < TeeTylerToe> AWB?
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20:52 < ChrisGualtieri> Autowikibrowser
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21:04 < Peter-C> Pancreatic injury? <3
21:04 < Peter-C> yutsi - wanna help?
21:04 < Peter-C> :3
21:04 < yutsi> sure
21:05 < Peter-C> Let's make a DYK a day until September 1 :o
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21:07 < TeeTylerToe> was serenity a remake of cowboy bebop knockin on heaven's door?
21:09 < Will-k> Peter-C: DYK that's a great idea!
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21:09 < Peter-C> :o
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21:11 < Guerillero> you are moving up in the world peter
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21:13 < Peter-C> Guerillero - O'rlly?
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21:16 < TeeTylerToe> rot in hell Venkman!
21:17 < TeeTylerToe> ghostbusters reference
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21:21 < yutsi> Peter-C: So can we use trauma.org images?
21:21 < Peter-C> No
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21:22 < yutsi> tolja
21:24 < yutsi> Peter-C is the pancreas in the abdomen?
21:24 < Peter-C> Sort of
21:25 < Peter-C> It's gastrointestial, but it still is kinda there
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21:26 < yutsi> Already thought of a DYK: While pancreatic injury is less common that other abdominal injuries, its diagnosis can be very difficult due to its location.
21:28 < TeeTylerToe> is the human torax a term commonly used?
21:30 * Isarra pokes Brooke.
21:30 < Isarra> Er, wait, wrong channel.
21:30 < yutsi> fuck edit conflict
21:31 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: um, I'd gather chest is more in use :)
21:32 < TeeTylerToe> I'd rather have a thorax than a chest
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21:32 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: your wish has been granted. you have two left.
21:33 < Justin_Bieber> Anyone esle pumped for the Curiosity landing on Mars?
21:33 < Justin_Bieber> alse*
21:33 < Justin_Bieber> else*
21:33 < mareklug> the thing: when exactly our time?
21:34 < Justin_Bieber> 05:31 UTC on August 6, 2012
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21:35 < yutsi> Peter-C: I fixed the infobox's eMedicine link. I thought you were the medical expert? :P
21:35 < Peter-C> >.>
21:35 < Justin_Bieber> 10:34 PM Mountain Time
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21:35 < Justin_Bieber> wait
21:35 < Justin_Bieber> fuck
21:36 < mareklug> i beg to differ
21:36 < Justin_Bieber> Yes, 10:31
21:36 < yutsi> Peter-C: Why are you putting 1980980 as the eMedicine article number for everything??
21:36 < eeekster> I'm just glad not to have written any of the software for it
21:36 < Justin_Bieber> Literally 5 minutes behind now... xD
21:36 < mareklug> gmt is utc, no?
21:36 < Peter-C> I copy pasted the infobox and forgot to change some fields :P
21:36 < eeekster> gmt = utc
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21:37 < Justin_Bieber> wait
21:37 < Justin_Bieber> Add an hour to that, so... 11:31 our time, 1:30 eastern time
21:37 < eeekster> 10:31 PM PDT
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21:37 < yutsi> Ohhh, I know why. You were linking to the Blunt Abdominal Trauma page. You have to put 'article' in the eMedicineSubj field
21:37 * Justin_Bieber wants to stab the people who invented time zones
21:38 < eeekster> it was the railroads
21:38 < yutsi> It's 12:37 AM eastern time right now
21:38 * Isarra hits Justin_Bieber with a frying pan.
21:38 < Isarra> The planet is round.
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21:38 < Isarra> How would you deal with that?
21:38 < mareklug> if it is at 5 utc, it's midnight summer time in chicago, and that's one hour only from mountain....
21:38 < eeekster> stand in line, Isarra
21:38 * Isarra hits eeekster with a frying pan.
21:39 < eeekster> don't make me corhobble
21:39 < Isarra> Don't make me make you corhobble just to see what that means.
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21:41 < yutsi> Man, I don't even know what a pancreas does.
21:41 < Brooke> Try Wikipedia.
21:42 < Peter-C> yutsi - big enough for DYK by 15 charachters! :D
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21:42 < yutsi> lol Let me remove stub tempalte
21:42 * Isarra takes yutsi's pancreas and sells it on the black market.
21:42 < yutsi> oh noes
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21:43 < yutsi> Peter-C did you like my hook
21:43 < Peter-C> what hook?
21:43 < mareklug> i'm taken back that google calculator does not convert utc to time zones on the fly... or is there an incantation i am missing?
21:44 < yutsi> While pancreatic injury is less common that other abdominal injuries, its diagnosis can be very difficult due to its location.
21:44 -!- haggis [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en
21:44 < yutsi> yo haggis
21:44 < eeekster> The reason scotch was invented?
21:45 < haggis> hello yutsi
21:45 < Peter-C> yutsi - I was thinking something like that, but check out the history section
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21:45 < yutsi> Peter-C: You want me to submit the DYK?
21:46 < yutsi> I'm gonna see if there's a navbox for these injuries
21:47 < Peter-C> ?
21:47 < Peter-C> Oh right, one sec
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21:49 < Peter-C> yutsi - you can dyk it, too lazy to review
21:49 < mareklug> the thong: is there a jpl live link where they show the landing?
21:49 < mareklug> thing
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21:50 < Peter-C> added the navbox yutsi
21:51 < eeekster> mareklug, it'll be on NASA TV
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21:51 < yutsi> lol and i added the article to the navbox
21:51 < yutsi> Now I'm off to DYK
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21:51 < mareklug> eeekster: is that on line or cable only?
21:51 < Peter-C> yutsi - wanna make a classification table?
21:52 < eeekster> both
21:52 < eeekster> http://www.nasa.gov/ has the online TV links
21:53 < mareklug> eeekster: thanks
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21:55 < yutsi> No
21:55 < Peter-C> yutsi - we live in the same state ._.
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21:55 < yutsi> Yeah, I know. lol
21:56 < yutsi> We should meet up at the next Wikimedia NYC event.
21:56 < yutsi> Submitted DYK
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21:57 < yutsi> I think this is my 4th. So I get one more where I don't have to review. :(
21:57 < yutsi> I hate reviewing DYK. It's just a bunch of copy and pasting into complex areas.
21:57 < Justin_Bieber> Oh my god
21:58 < Justin_Bieber> So, there's almost less than 24 hours till the rover lands
21:58 < yutsi> wut
21:58 < Justin_Bieber> For some reason I thought it was 2 days from now... those damn time zones again
21:58 < yutsi> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg
21:58 < haggis> Justin_Bieber: >:(
21:58 < yutsi> Dude, why don't you change your name? Is that your actual user name on WP?
21:59 < Justin_Bieber> Nope, Chuck Testa.
21:59 < yutsi> ROFL
21:59 < yutsi> http://chucktestaroll.com/
21:59 < mareklug> "Curiosity is scheduled to land on the Red Planet at 10:31 p.m. Pacific time, 1:31 a.m. on the East coast." you were off by an hour and would have missed it.
21:59 < Peter-C> yutsi - we should have put an alt D:
21:59 < Justin_Bieber> mareklug: I live in MDT
21:59 < yutsi> Peter-C: Then just insert it. -.-
21:59 * Justin_Bieber slaps mareklug
22:00 < mareklug> you said and I quote: Justin_Bieber: 10:34 PM Mountain Time
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22:00 < Justin_Bieber> That was, like, half an hour ago
22:00 < Justin_Bieber> Then I was able to find the correct time
22:00 < Justin_Bieber> -22:37:09- (Justin_Bieber) wait
22:00 < Justin_Bieber> -22:37:25- (Justin_Bieber) Add an hour to that, so... 11:31 our time, 1:30 eastern time
22:00 < mareklug> ok
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22:02 < mareklug> eeekster: the nasa tv schedule has them begin at 2:15 am. does not sound live to me
22:02 < Justin_Bieber> Where is that?
22:03 < Justin_Bieber> Their TV schedule, at least on Dish Network and shit, doesn't usually reflect the actual events being cast
22:03 < yutsi> Wait, is New Jersey Eastern time or Atlantic time?
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22:03 < mareklug> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html under August 6, down the page
22:03 < Justin_Bieber> Like, they've had "Education hour" during shuttle launches countless times
22:03 < jakr> Should words that need are to be avoided be used anyway if they are part of a quotation?
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> mareklug, you derped there
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> That's the post landing news conference
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22:04 < mareklug> but they have no prior listings on that date, so... go figure.
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> 11 p.m. - Mars Science Laboratory/Curiosity Rover Landing Coverage of Entry Decent and Landing (Clean Feed with Mission Audio Only) - JPL (Media Channel)
22:04 < Justin_Bieber> Look on August 5th...
22:04 < mareklug> ok
22:05 < Justin_Bieber> should have pasted this one too: 11 p.m. - Mars Science Laboratory/Curiosity Rover Landing Coverage of Entry Decent and Landing (Commentary #1 Begins 11:30 p.m.) - JPL (Public and Education Channels)
22:05 < Justin_Bieber> You're lucky, you get to have me in my nerd mode tonight :p
22:06 < mareklug> yutsi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Time_Zone
22:06 < yutsi> No, I'm eastern time zone. I looked it up
22:07 < yutsi> I always get them mixed up, but I'm -5 hours
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22:07 < Justin_Bieber> And even if I miss the exact landing time... I'll be recording the entire thing on my DVR anyways :D
22:07 < delirious> how accurate ... Justine_Bieber is thethingthatshouldnotbe :D
22:07 < mareklug> tutsi i gave it to you for reference. you should also know that newfoundland is one half hour off
22:08 < Justin_Bieber> delirious: Long time no see
22:08 < delirious> wrong channels i guess
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22:14 < mareklug> yutsi: and you're -5 hours only in winter, on standard time. now you're -4.
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22:21 < yutsi> Can someone explain this for me? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Proposed_community_ban_of_User:Doughnuthead
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22:22 < WilliamH_UK> yutsi, a ban means that someone's edits and articles can be unilaterally deleted by anyone, no question, no discussion
22:22 -!- RD [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
22:22 < WilliamH_UK> and that they cannot be unblocked by one single admin, e.g., on a talkpage discussion
22:22 < yutsi> Seems pointless if they're indef blocked
22:23 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
22:23 < yutsi> Especially in this case, where only ArbCom has authority to unblock
22:23 < WilliamH_UK> no, because they may come back with socks
22:23 < WilliamH_UK> and if they try to, it's an easy way of dealing with their crap
22:23 < yutsi> They can still do that if they're banned
22:24 < yutsi> It's not like they say "I'm a sockpuppet of a banned editor! Derp!"
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22:24 < delirious> sometimes they do announce it to see if anyone is watching
22:25 < yutsi> lol
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22:25 < WilliamH_UK> or sometimes, they are detected regardless of whether or not they announce themselves
22:25 < yutsi> Geez, people really have trouble differentiating between AN and AN/I
22:25 < WilliamH_UK> and their edits and articles can be deleted on sight, with no faff and no time wasted discussing them
22:25 < WilliamH_UK> because a ban already has decided that their contributions are considered a net disadvantage
22:26 < yutsi> How are people making socks when they're IP banned? Are they paying for closed proxies?
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22:27 < mareklug> WilliamH_UK: does that imply that anyone with good edits won't be "banned" cuz those edits would not be questioned?
22:27 < WilliamH_UK> they might do
22:27 < WilliamH_UK> mareklug not necessarily
22:27 < Peter-C> http://www.amazon.com/History-Pancreas-Mysteries-Hidden-Organ/dp/0306467429
22:27 < Peter-C> <3
22:27 < Peter-C> yutsi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEodu4yLSzw&feature=player_detailpage
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22:28 < yutsi> ?
22:28 < jakr> Should words that need to be avoided(WP:WORDS) be used anyway if they are part of a quotation?
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22:30 < Ironholds> I think I may have just written my longest talkpage message of all time
22:30 < Ironholds> 4,299 characters. oy.
22:30 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
22:30 < Peter-C> Ironholds - favorite organ - go.
22:30 < Guerillero> wow
22:31 < mareklug> Ironholds: pick some German church one
22:31 < jakr> mareklug, did you read my question?
22:31 < jakr> mareklug, oh you are nominated for admin right?
22:32 < Peter-C> yutsi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notKtAgfwDA&feature=player_detailpage
22:32 < mareklug> jakr: I frankly don't know the answer. Perhaps you should construct quotes so they don't create this problem.
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22:32 < yutsi> lol Peter-C: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JIg9NB47M
22:32 < mareklug> jakr: no, I am not.
22:32 < Peter-C> By the end of the day, you will be a med student
22:32 < Ironholds> Peter-C: kidney
22:33 < Ironholds> mareklug: hmn?
22:33 < mareklug> organ
22:33 < jakr> mareklug, surely, let me check my browsing history, i think i remember your name
22:33 < Ironholds> Guerillero: it was a reply to a message from Kudpung which included "it's great fewer minors are editing, we need to make sure nobody is using informal language around new page patrol"
22:33 < jakr> mareklug, do you have a wikipedia account this that nick name?
22:33 < Peter-C> yutsi - lul
22:33 < Ironholds> so, it got kinda long :)
22:33 < mareklug> jake yes, i am SUL as mareklug
22:34 < Peter-C> And IH - what an unusual choice, but ok
22:34 < Guerillero> you avoided him for all of wikimaia
22:34 < Ironholds> Peter-C: what would you pick?
22:34 < jakr> mareklug, my mistake, i was thinking of Mlpearc
22:34 < Peter-C> Liver.
22:34 < Ironholds> Guerillero: it was mutual. I tried talking to him on the first day and he completely blanked me from a foot away
22:34 < Peter-C> Close behind are the lungs
22:34 < Ironholds> the last day, I was informed he thought I was Satan, or had said words to that effect
22:34 < Ironholds> sorta took the hint ;p
22:34 < Ironholds> Peter-C: lungs are pretty cool. But the liver is weak!
22:35 < Guerillero> where is a good place to get a hash calculated
22:35 < Peter-C> The liver regenerates though!
22:35 < mareklug> Peter-C: imho skin wins
22:35 < Peter-C> gtfo
22:35 < Ironholds> Guerillero: what sort of hash?
22:35 < Ironholds> we talking SHA-1, SHA-2, MD5?
22:35 < mareklug> think what it does, how it evolved
22:35 * Peter-C tosses a melanoma at mareklug
22:36 < Guerillero> I have been using whirlpool but I can switch for my confirmed identity
22:36 < Ironholds> ahh
22:37 < Ironholds> Guerillero: I use http://rhash.anz.ru/
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22:37 * Ironholds uses Whirlpool/Blowfish as his encryption standard
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22:39 < Peter-C> yutsi - I am going to become a trauma surgeon one day. A few years into my attending life I will one day just say "Crap, where am I, nurse? Can I have some directions? I think I made a wrong turn."
22:39 -!- andrewcrawford [~andrewcra@cpc3-cast8-2-0-cust294.20-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en
22:39 < Peter-C> I will then flip over the instrument tray and never be seen again
22:39 < yutsi> lol
22:40 < Peter-C> Oh, and the patient will die, but it will be funny so
22:40 < Guerillero> i can't get it to work
22:41 < Demiurge1000> Peter is too young to be made to work, so far.
22:43 < Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=LLrzdldrrlpiPBwuuWg-FHUw&v=3Na8GnBhcXA&feature=player_detailpage
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22:43 < Dcoetzee|2> Whoa I just noticed KVIrc 4.0 is out
22:43 < Dcoetzee|2> Never mind I already have it
22:43 < Dcoetzee|2> Silly me
22:44 < Dcoetzee|2> Gonna upgrade to 4.2.0 though, maybe will fix weird character encoding issues.
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22:44 < Jeske_Merensky> I d/l'd 4.2.0 (BAWNG HEET!) earlier today when I kept timing out of IRC.
22:45 < Dcoetzee|2> Jeske_Merensky: Did it help at all?
22:45 -!- Dcoetzee|2 is now known as Dcoetzee
22:45 < Jeske_Merensky> No
22:45 < Dcoetzee> :-(
22:45 < Dcoetzee> Maybe bad connection
22:45 < Jeske_Merensky> Restoring the router's prior settings did, tho
22:45 < Dcoetzee> Try switching to a fixed known-good Freenode server?
22:45 < Dcoetzee> Ah nice :-)
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22:50 < yutsi> Alright, I'm going to sleep; I'm sleep deprived
22:50 < yutsi> good night
22:50 * yutsi is away: AFK
22:51 < Peter-C> lame
22:51 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Please say something containing an apostrophe
22:51 < Dcoetzee> yutsi: Night!
22:51 < Peter-C> ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
22:52 < Peter-C> What's your favorite organ?
22:52 < Dcoetzee> Okay is still broken oh well
22:52 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you see my apostrophes okay? ''''''''''''''''''''
22:52 < closedmouth> he's using those stupid squiggly apostrophes though
22:52 < Peter-C> mhm
22:52 < Dcoetzee> Yeah but my client should handle Unicode characters properly :-(
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22:53 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you see this apostrophe character? ’’’’’’’’’’
22:54 < Peter-C> no
22:54 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: it's not in utf8
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22:54 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: What characters did you see instead?
22:55 < Peter-C> nothing
22:55 < Dcoetzee> Weird. What's your client?
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22:56 < Peter-C> mIRC
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22:57 < haggis> wtf
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23:03 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you read this: ???
23:03 < Peter-C> mhm
23:03 * Peter-C feels interegated
23:03 < Dcoetzee> Oh okay. So some Unicode works.
23:04 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Paste some Japanese for me? Wanna see if it works in other dierction.:-)
23:05 < Peter-C> ???
23:06 < Justin_Bieber> BAKAYARO!!!!!
23:06 < Justin_Bieber> \
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23:12 < closedmouth> Dcoetzee: that came out as question marks
23:13 < closedmouth> <Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you read this: ???
23:13 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: That came out for me as wacky symbols
23:13 < Dcoetzee> I think all our clients are doing Unicode differently :-P
23:13 < petan> Dcoetzee ???
23:13 < petan> :)
23:13 * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
23:14 < Peter-C> Dcoetzee - favorite organ?
23:14 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: I can see Peter's kanji and quotes just fine. Your test was ??? for me too. You just don't have utf8 support active
23:14 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: But Peter-C said he could see my Japanese characters...
23:14 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: he lied
23:15 < Dcoetzee> Oh
23:15 < closedmouth> well, technically he /could/ read it
23:15 < mareklug> he probably meant he could see: <Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Can you read this: ???
23:16 < petan> maybe we could ask him instead
23:16 < petan> :D
23:16 * Dcoetzee sighs :-P
23:16 < petan> Peter-C did you see it as symbols or ??? :D
23:16 < Peter-C> ???
23:16 < petan> here we go
23:16 < Dcoetzee> I don't get it. I don't think kvirc has an option to turn it on.
23:17 < petan> Dcoetzee I would suggest you to install client written by me which is clearly better if it actually worked :D
23:17 < petan> but you probably wouldn't like it in this early dev phase
23:18 < Dcoetzee> But kvirc says "UNICODE support" in its feature list >:-(
23:20 < Dcoetzee> Okay I manually set it to UTF8, gonna reconnect.
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23:20 < Dcoetzee> ??? Does that look like Japanese now?
23:20 < petan> ye
23:20 < mareklug> yes
23:20 < Dcoetzee> Wooo
23:21 < Dcoetzee> Paste me some Japanese?
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23:21 < mareklug> ????????
23:21 < Dcoetzee> Yaaay I can see it
23:21 < petan> ??????????????????yes????????!:D
23:22 < Dcoetzee> Peter-C: Say something with an apostrophe now please? :-)
23:22 < Peter-C> '''''''''''''''''''''''''
23:22 < Dcoetzee> Yay those work too
23:22 < petan> ????????????????????Dcoetzee?
23:23 < Dcoetzee> petan: ???????????!???????????????Google??????????????!
23:23 < mareklug> welcome to the family, ???????
23:23 < petan> lol
23:23 < petan> :)
23:23 < Dcoetzee> :-)
23:24 < Peter-C> http://handsintheworld.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/why-emts-are-sexy/
23:24 < petan> Dcoetzee actually I used google as well
23:25 < Dcoetzee> petan: Ha
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23:25 < WhiskerBiscuit> I heard I missed a poop storm in here
23:25 < petan> WhiskerBiscuit ???????????!???????????????Google??????????????
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23:25 < petan> :D
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> I missed IRC drahma!
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> unfair unfair
23:26 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: If you want drama see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ANI
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> I saw it
23:26 < petan> WhiskerBiscuit google for logs, there are some
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> no need
23:26 < petan> troll organizations are good in logging this channel
23:26 < WhiskerBiscuit> ive got something funnier
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23:27 < WhiskerBiscuit> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stephanie_Adams_(3rd_nomination)&diff=505855942&oldid=505854966
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23:28 < WhiskerBiscuit> I've seen some prolific sockers before, but I've never seen one to try and rent a meatpuppet
23:28 < WhiskerBiscuit> rent-a-meat
23:28 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: Wow
23:29 < WhiskerBiscuit> since IRC doenst count I can say it without BLP. That chick is batshit crazy
23:30 < Dcoetzee> WhiskerBiscuit: Technically BLP only applies in article space
23:30 < Dcoetzee> But NPA is kinda universal
23:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> And the worse part is I think she stiffed her meat puppet
23:30 < Dcoetzee> Yeah that's pretty low
23:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> Some dude from the Philipines
23:30 < Dcoetzee> On the plus side, that means less people will find her offers credible in the future.
23:30 < WhiskerBiscuit> however he should have known what she asked him to do was wrong
23:31 < WhiskerBiscuit> no.. she deleted her account
23:31 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000
23:31 < Demiurge1000> Dcoetzee: BZZZZZZZZZZZT. BLP applies everywhere on Wikipedia, not just article space.
23:31 < Dcoetzee> Demiurge1000: Well that's stupid
23:31 < Demiurge1000> I know, innit great?
23:32 < WhiskerBiscuit> I swear, if she spent 1/10 of the time learning how to use RS and general editing she wouldnt have had to sock like an 8 headed hydra
23:32 < Demiurge1000> Wait, I was asleep. Grrrr.
23:32 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away
23:32 < Dcoetzee> Demiurge1000: How am I ever supposed to ask "I heard this negative fact about X, can anyone find a reference?"
23:32 < Guerillero> semied
23:32 < D1000|Away> Guerillero has just semi-protected every article with the letter X in it, just to be on the safe side :)
23:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> I've got a semi
23:33 < Guerillero> on the afd?
23:33 < closedmouth> by finding the reference yourself
23:33 < Guerillero> thanks demiurge
23:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> no, someone else found it. but I hadnt done a search recetnly
23:33 < WhiskerBiscuit> I actually found an elance ad, but it wasnt as explicit
23:34 < Dcoetzee> closedmouth: WP works because people collaborate. Those with a particular specialised skill or more time accomplish tasks others are unable to.
23:34 < Dcoetzee> Or with access to reference material, in this case
23:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> Well I contend this sock has inadvertandly helped wikipedia
23:34 < Dcoetzee> Rules that impede collaboration are bad.
23:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> she has helped identify several proxies
23:34 < WhiskerBiscuit> which are now clised
23:35 < WhiskerBiscuit> and maybe she helped stimulate the economy
23:37 < Dcoetzee> I don't like BLP in general, even in article space. It kills what makes the wiki process work. I have yet to see any evidence that anyone was ever actually damaged by material in their Wikipedia article, which presumably every sane person takes with a grain of salt.
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23:45 < Riley_Huntley> I need help finding an IRC server other than webchat.freenode.net
23:45 < mareklug> Dcoetzee: wasn't BLP a reaction to some particular notorious cases?
23:46 < Dcoetzee> It was a reaction to the Seigenthaler case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_biography_controversy
23:46 < Dcoetzee> It was vandalized for like 4 months, Seigenthaler wrote about it in USA Today.
23:46 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: why not use a client. it will ferret out a good server on its own
23:46 < Riley_Huntley> mareklug: Clients take a long time to open links
23:47 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: define long time. i don't notice that on Mac/Colloquy/Safari
23:47 < Riley_Huntley> 2-3 seconds
23:48 < Dcoetzee> I maintain that even in that case, no actual damage was done to his reputation or character. He was just upset about it.
23:48 < mareklug> i just loaded Dcoetzee last link. loads like regular link
23:48 < Riley_Huntley> What are you using?
23:48 < mareklug> ^^
23:48 < Riley_Huntley> K
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23:49 < Riley_Huntley> mareklug: I don't have a mac nor like them
23:49 < Riley_Huntley> Any other suggestions?
23:49 < mareklug> mebbe time to change... :) they seem to work. mine is even ancient, 2009.
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23:50 < Riley_Huntley> Can you have a tri or dual monitor with macs?
23:50 < mareklug> sure.
23:51 < mareklug> i recommend an iMac with a separate display or two
23:52 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: http://gigaom.com/apple/new-27-inch-imac-supports-dual-external-display-output/
23:53 < Apheori> 2009 is ancient?
23:53 < Riley_Huntley> Not all programs work with iMacs (I have a list of things). Anyways, I need a new IRC server, know any?
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23:54 < mareklug> Apheori: i was being funny. it was the most powerful iMac i could build in summer of 2009, and has max 8 gig memory.
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23:54 < Apheori> That seems like a lot.
23:55 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: but they do. you can run a windows or a brace of them, and linux virtually.
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23:55 * wctaiwan puts Apheori on a rocket and starts the countdown
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23:56 * Apheori has a heart attack.
23:56 < wctaiwan> dang.
23:56 < Riley_Huntley> ._. just find me a server xD
23:56 < WhiskerBiscuit> Guerillero: so tell me, what unsourced violation did I make?
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23:59 < mareklug> Riley_Huntley: http://www.moreofit.com/similar-to/webchat.freenode.net/Top_10_Sites_Like_Freenode_Webchat/
23:59 < Riley_Huntley> "Unable to access the network"
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