User talk:Snerfling

Hello world --Snerfling 14:57, 16 November 2006 (PST)

Dear Snerfling, How would I go about adding "by Category" to the ASK query on Directory:KJ Kitchens? Thanks---OmniMediaGroup 08:23, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Please see water cooler - technical. Snerfling 08:46, 19 January 2007 (PST)

All of this new information is going to take a little while to digest and regurgitate into something of value, luckily I process rather fast. This semantic tag thing especially is a bit of a mental juggernaut to wrap my pea brain around but i'll get there. I'll keep in mind the main space v. directory from now on. Thank you immensely for all of your help.

sidebar - I'd like the riches but fame. Garrett 17:25, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Monetizing Web 3.0

1. I'm still unsure on how to turn directory pages into money besides google ads. It's hard to conseptualize why business's would want to link through me or how replacing recipes with companies yields anything. I'm looking into ripping and modifying wiki travel for some income, but again I can't see how that translates into money besides google ads.

Well, first of all, you can't ripoff copyrighted information. The way to proceed is to convince other subject matter experts to work with you in developing marketable content.

Secondly, IMO Google ads are merely a first step towards full-on Web 3.0 ie transactions. Become an expert on semantic tags and demonstrate how they can be incorporated by businesses. Here's the realkey: which platform(s) is Web 3.0 to be implemented? Apache via raw XML? Or a truly beautiful interface like MediaWiki that is so forgiving with its open-edit capabilities? Have you taken a look at the automatically generated RDFs? I mean, do you have any idea how cool that is? Google absolutely scarfs them up.

I'd bet on a wiki - we like to think Centiare has thought this through and has the platform, tools & resident experts to show others how to pull it off.

2. If I created directory pages on let's say microsoft, dell, halliburton, could I then sell the pages back to them or would they usurp me sans fee? Garrett 15:36, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Directory listings are owned by entities that own the names, so you can't sell them property they already own. The reason we let non-owners create directory listings for entities they don't own is two-fold:

• To enable the same type of activity that takes place at Wikipedia ie many people seem to have an interest in creating articles for entities in which they have a personal interest. The problem at WP, of course, is that someone else then comes in and "messes with their stuff".
• As the semantic web emerges, to allow those that have developed expertise in this field to offer their services to entities in which they created directory listings.

Keep your eye on the transaction cycle. How will this fit with hotels, restaurants & others in the hospitality industies? MediWiki provides an awesome platform to present summary information, place images, generate SEO semantic tags, link to reviews/recommendations, and enable purchases (reservations). How are they going to do this? By spending huge money on consultants using raw XML, or gain assistance from wikipedians who are already familiar with an incredibly easy to use wiki interface?

Get the picture? Service/product catalog links to order-processing via semantic tags is the key. That's Web 3.0 - and we think it's going to happen here. Snerfling 17:36, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Semantic Centiare

DING DING DING. It's ringing a bell. Once I get this semantic thing down pat I can incorporate it with my existing medawiki skills and become the high priced consultant and create web 3.0 pages for businesses. If I'm still reasonably close to what you're saying then -------- this brings up whole new questions.

• Do more than a hand full of people know about and implement semantic tags? - read about XML (centiare using metawiki is MUCH easier)
• What is centiare doing to attract new users? - stupid question - marketing obviously
• Are there social networking possibilities for a wiki? Personally I can't see writing on other's talk pages for socialization - Are there private messanging possibilities with a wiki?

I'm not the big Wikipedia guy - Greg is. (I'm a systems guy - my background is in accounting/financial computer systems.) We're using MediaWiki the same way Wikipedia is ie talk pages & water cooler (village pump). If you know of any other methods, I'm all ears.

• Will pages like "Directory:Houston", or other cities be profitable in the future?

Depends on what you're selling. What do people want to know about or purchase from Houston?

• Why is "Japan" a main space article but the United States a directory?

Japan comes up as a directory entry; am I missing something?

I'm reading as much as possible about the future semantic web. This scares the privacy advocate in me.

"Enthusiasm about the Semantic Web could be tempered by concerns regarding censorship and privacy. For instance, text-analyzing techniques can now be easily bypassed by using other words, metaphors for instance, or by using images in place of words. An advanced implementation of the Semantic Web would make it a lot easier for governments to control the viewing and creation of online information as this information would be much easier for an automated content-blocking machine to understand. In addition, the issue has also been raised that with the use of FOAF (software) files and Geolocation meta-data, there would be very little anonymity associated with the authorship of articles on things such as a personal blog." Garrett 19:03, 5 February 2007 (PST)

You're still young, so you're not (yet) a cynic. I'm a published author - the publishing game is all about selling product. The way to sell product is to hype the crap out of it. You're little tidbit above was probably written by a promotions person. If you don't think the banking/credit system doesn't already have every bit of information on you and your family, then you've been hanging out too long at WP.

All you need to know about the world is that the drive for cheaper & better is never ending. Someone comes out with something that works better for less, forget about trying to stop the movement. Web 3.0 is all about optimizing business information while delivering less expensive record keeping/transactional costs. (Do you know what a headache accounting is? Do you know what people will do to avoid managing books?)

Ain't nothing gonna stop Web3.0 if the tech platform comes together. We think an easy to edit system like a wiki is the way to go. Snerfling 22:18, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Japan

I'm just using Japan to get my feet wet in this semantic stuff. Feel free to correct me when I screw up. Garrett 17:15, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Looks good - see my notes in your user_talk pages. If you just follow the Directory:California example (rolling up to US and drilling down to county/city/districts), you should be golden. Snerfling 17:19, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Ah!! Why did the semantic box in Directory:Japan disappear? Garrett 17:21, 6 February 2007 (PST) figured it out myself (I should do that more often)

I won't - but I am creating a state template by cannibalizing the overly complicated wiki template. Garrett 18:40, 6 February 2007 (PST)

50 States

I think we should use the 50 states to set an example of how centiare should work and why it is different than wikipedia. Throwing out some ideas - so - to do this we need to

• first make the states uniform in approach.
• show off the attributes, and relations more
• infobox all the states in a simple box. No crazy highest peak, state bird, crap. That belongs in an enclyopedia, not a directory. Centiare is business and people oriented though so things like GDP and governors, should be mentioned.
• no long winded paragraphs/sections like texas currently has. Concise - no one wants a history book when they go looking for the yellow pages.
• Now there's no problem to have all the cities and counties on each state page but when there are a few hundred it will look horrible. Maybe link off to a "Counties in X State" page and "Cities in X State" page. Or do that and couple it with a "major city" attribute to distinguish pages like houston.
• Maybe a "businesses located in x state" with a short blurb about business in the state and a link to a semantic table.

Just some ideas. Feel free to pick them apart. oder stimmen Sie mit einigen uberein. Boeuf, Ce n'est pas un grand chose. (And eventually expand into centiare.fr/centiare.de) Garrett 18:21, 7 February 2007 (PST)

These are all good ideas. However, there's a problem - the states are owned (ie controlled) by OMG until at which time the governors' offices want to take over. (That is, the true owners of the respective states' official web sites.)

Insofar as your specific comments, we have subpages enabled for just these reasons. If you take a look at Directory:Texas, you can see I added a counties link earlier today. Ideally, each state would be organized in a uniform fashion that took full advantage of subpages & ASK queries - including history, etc.

Rather than try & address 50 states, why don't we perfect Texas? If we do a bang up job on Texas, we can take it to the governor + each county + each (major) city + businesses, social orgs (churces, Boy Scouts), sports (Little League, etc), etc. If you browse through Directory:California, you can see I experimented with each different level of government/agencies. To the extent of adding a few more tags, the existing relationships, attributes & categories (don't forget categories - read the ASK primer) are all working very well.

If we get Texas wired, then we can take the same idea to the other states. They ALL have economic development offices. The Net is all about lowering the cost of doing business, including marketing. Semantic tags + user controlled info (Web 3.0) is the secret weapon of small businesses. If we went after women & minorities, there would probably be money available for training them on Web 3.0. Snerfling 20:06, 7 February 2007 (PST)

I will be adding useful content to all the pages I've "parked" on but I'm working out this google adsense thing right now to get some revenue. Garrett 17:49, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Nope, I mainly use my andman8@yahoo.com account. I had to sign up with the rminks1 account bc centiare requires a business email address but I never check it. Could you forward the stuff to my yahoo account. Garrett 12:42, 9 February 2007 (PST)