User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2015-07-08

Session Start: Wed Jul 08 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[00:08:06] <Raymie> Well, it’s been a while, so I guess I’m going to need to repeat myself.
[00:08:11] <Raymie> Can someone tell me if this would be deleted or kept at AfD? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Hermosillo
[00:09:17] <Jeske_Couriano> I like pie.
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[00:09:21] <Moabdave> I personally would vote delete, as in my opinion the information in this article would better be served as a category
[00:09:41] <Kelapstick> it could go either way
[00:09:43] <Moabdave> However, with AfD’s you never know. That process is not known for being consistant or logical.
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[00:34:17] <Raymie> Moabdave: Do you think it’d be better as a navbox?
[00:34:28] <Raymie> I mean, look at {{Sonora Radio}} — so many stations a split is likely needed
[00:34:45] <Raymie> The Mexico AM FM migration creates some serious problems. I mean, look at {{Veracruz Radio}}
[00:35:03] <Raymie> I already created {{Comarca Lagunera Radio}}
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[00:35:12] <Raymie> to resolve some of the other problems in Coahuila and Durango
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[01:16:44] <PontoCom_BR> hello.
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[01:24:56] <Moabdave> Raymie, sorry I got booted and didn’t realize it. The question I have for you is how stable are radio stations in Mexico?
[01:25:23] <Moabdave> I say that as there are markets in the USA where it’s common for radio stations to change call signs and formats ever 3-4 years.
[01:26:03] <Moabdave> Where I’m going with this, is that a nav-box is visually easier to find than a category, but it must be manually mantained.
[01:26:20] <Moabdave> A category is less glamerous and not visible to “newbies” but it’s mantanence is more automated.
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[01:30:41] <MJ94> Hi.
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[01:39:44] <MJ94> Anyone seen {Soap}?
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[01:46:24] <TParis> hours ago
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[01:48:15] <TParis> *headdesk* If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself
[01:49:48] <MJ94> TParis: what happened?
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[02:03:56] <Raymie> Templates out of date…so badly I had to add 39 missing FM radio stations
[02:06:54] <IDoH> a9309131: Are you aware that defconbot is down?
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[02:07:57] <IDoH> "@9309131 signed on at July 3, 2015 at 5:23:55 AM CDT and has been idle for 4 days, 15 hours, 43 minutes, 3 seconds" <----Oh. He probably didn't see what I just typed.
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[02:53:08] <SuicidalZerg> So, yeah... I googled the prospect of war with Russia... I wish I hadn't... o_o
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[03:56:46] <MJ94> {Soap}: :)
[03:59:01] <Bsadowski1> {Soap}!
[03:59:14] <Bsadowski1> :D
[04:00:43] <MJ94> Bsadowski1!
[04:04:22] <Bsadowski1> MJ94?
[04:04:34] <MJ94> Yes?
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[04:16:42] <{Soap}> hi
[04:18:03] <MJ94> sup, {Soap}?
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[04:18:21] <MJ94> hiya Josve05a
[04:18:31] <Josve05a> hello
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[04:21:22] <{Soap}> glad the powerdidnt go out
[04:21:26] <{Soap}> there was qute a storm here today
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[04:28:07] <GEOFBOT|busy> Someone needs to merge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Safari into [[Safari]]
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[04:28:39] <{Soap}> i vote delete
[04:28:48] <{Soap}> that was not intended to be an article
[04:29:06] <GEOFBOT|busy> well, something has to be done with it
[04:29:07] <{Soap}> no references
[04:29:18] <{Soap}> he misspelled "wildebeest"
[04:29:29] <{Soap}> its basically spam
[04:30:45] <{Soap}> Rule #1 of Safaris: Dont trust a safari operator that cant spell the names of the animals
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[04:31:07] <{Soap}> honestly, a merge is too generous
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[04:31:36] <GEOFBOT|busy> Drug users go to a safari promising "crocodil", end up eaten by crocodiles
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[04:33:49] <GEOFBOT|busy> {Soap}: Well, I'll G11 it
[04:34:21] <{Soap}> well sorry no
[04:34:25] <{Soap}> i didnt mean literally delete
[04:34:30] <{Soap}> it has a legitimate use as a redirect
[04:34:34] <{Soap}> there's a movie
[04:34:41] <GEOFBOT|busy> oh
[04:34:59] <GEOFBOT|busy> or maybe a disambiguation?
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[04:36:04] <{Soap}> thank you
[04:36:09] <{Soap}> i guess youre sniper?
[04:36:33] <GEOFBOT|busy> yea
[04:36:37] <GEOFBOT|busy> (see cloak)
[04:36:45] <GEOFBOT|busy> I've added a hatnote to Safari
[04:36:53] <{Soap}> well, he'll revert it, I imagine, but Im changing it back to the movie
[04:37:11] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rivers_of_Fire_and_Ice
[04:37:40] <{Soap}> interesting movie
[04:37:47] <{Soap}> it seems to have no actors. just one guy running the show
[04:39:00] <GEOFBOT|busy> i added a hatnote to the movie linking to safari
[04:39:19] <{Soap}> Sounds fair
[04:39:20] <GEOFBOT|busy> Every time I try to type hatnote my finger hits an 'e' producing 'hatenote'
[04:39:39] <ceradon> {Soap}, can you do me a favour, please?
[04:39:52] <ceradon> Can you check the deleted contributions of User:Milkshirt
[04:39:54] <GEOFBOT|busy> anyways, i'm going to bed. see you guys later
[04:40:12] <{Soap}> sleep well
[04:40:47] <ceradon> And give me the name of the article s/he created please?
[04:42:39] <{Soap}> couildnt it wait till your RFA closes? : )
[04:42:53] <ceradon> lol
[04:43:02] <{Soap}> i'll send you in PM
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[04:44:59] <GEOFBOT|busy> there, fixed cloak
[04:45:04] <GEOFBOT|busy> going to bed for real now
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[04:55:47] <ipatrol> 4chan it at it *again*
[04:56:10] <{Soap}> whoa
[04:56:15] <{Soap}> i havent seen you in six years
[04:56:18] <ceradon> How so?
[04:56:21] <ceradon> Oh wow.
[04:56:32] <{Soap}> welcome back
[04:56:46] <ipatrol> {Soap}: I'm amazed you can remember that far back
[04:56:55] <{Soap}> thank you
[04:57:30] <ipatrol> anyway, I just popped in because I saw 4chan starting another vandalism thread, and my loyalties still lie here
[04:58:01] <ipatrol> someone please fix the Bill Simmons page ASAP
[04:58:02] <ceradon> ipatrol, so, 4chan? Funny thing you mention that. Just saw this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:4chan117
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[04:58:28] <ipatrol> I'm a communist, Bill Simmons is not
[04:58:28] <ceradon> Actually, saw it a while ago.
[04:58:37] <ceradon> Only one edit though.
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[04:59:56] <ipatrol> I'd do it, if not for the fact I'm kinda on a mobile device and don't therefore have Twinkle to hand out a proper thrashing
[05:00:42] <ipatrol> thank you!
[05:01:10] <ceradon> {Soap}!!!!!!!
[05:01:18] <ceradon> Please protect Bill Simmons
[05:01:30] <ceradon> Article is under fire like crazy
[05:02:38] <ipatrol> does that ! code still work?
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[05:03:05] <ceradon> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Simmons&diff=670471447&oldid=670471396 Apparently I must die.
[05:04:19] <ipatrol> !admin please lock Bill Simmons for the next hour or so
[05:04:38] <jackmcbarn> looking
[05:04:38] <ipatrol> ceradon: that just shows you're having an impact :-)
[05:04:41] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
[05:04:49] <jackmcbarn> and beaten to it.
[05:05:30] <ceradon> jackmcbarn, you can still block. Lots of IPs and vandals there.
[05:05:40] <ceradon> IPs and users*
[05:05:53] <jackmcbarn> that seems like work :P and it's like 1am here. i'll let someone in some other time zone do that
[05:06:14] <{Soap}> i did a month actually
[05:06:18] <{Soap}> probably total overkill
[05:06:26] <{Soap}> but it can always be dropped back later
[05:06:27] <ipatrol> {Soap}: ya think?
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[05:07:03] <ceradon> ipatrol, can you link to the 4chan thread please?
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[05:07:21] <ipatrol> ceradon: sure, https://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/626529197#p626534320
[05:07:31] <ipatrol> without the # part
[05:08:05] <{Soap}> well my thinking was that there were very few IP edits in the past
[05:08:15] <Cncmaster> I like some of 4chan, but my loyalties lie with Wikipedia.
[05:08:38] <{Soap}> so a 1 month block isnt actually harmful
[05:09:40] <ceradon> Ceradon the White Knight! https://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/626529197#p626538130
[05:09:52] <ipatrol> Cncmaster: same here
[05:10:12] <Cncmaster> lol ceradon
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[05:10:50] <Cncmaster> b has some fun rolling threads, but that's one I would not partake in
[05:11:02] <Cncmaster> for obvious reasons
[05:11:18] <ipatrol> ceradon: add it to your user page!
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[05:12:44] <Cncmaster> they started another one: https://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/626538575
[05:12:51] <topaz> those edits on [[Bill Simmons]] look like a bunch of [[WP:VOA]] accounts
[05:12:54] <ipatrol> yep, just noticed that
[05:14:02] <ceradon> {Soap}: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ben_10_aliens
[05:14:08] <ceradon> Protect, please.
[05:14:20] <ipatrol> rand paul just got dubs
[05:14:55] <Cncmaster> The last thread had a few quads
[05:15:36] <ipatrol> ceradon: unless people start rolling in, it would be pointless to protect everything mentioned
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[05:15:58] <ipatrol> Cncmaster: yeah, but the trips here was a protected article. top kek indeed
[05:16:12] <Cncmaster> top kek
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[05:17:26] <Cncmaster> I'm watching it.
[05:17:43] <Cncmaster> nothing yet
[05:17:55] <ipatrol> yeah, no magic roll yet
[05:18:00] <ipatrol> still fun to watch
[05:18:20] <Cncmaster> it's funny every time they post a semi'd article
[05:18:36] <ceradon> Yeah lol
[05:18:39] <ipatrol> if I were still at my laptop, I might use the IP addresses to toy with a few of the offenders
[05:19:38] <ipatrol> lulz can go both ways
[05:19:46] <Cncmaster> "wikitards"
[05:19:48] <Cncmaster> lol
[05:20:21] <Cncmaster> this is too fun to watch
[05:20:39] <ipatrol> some of the choices are... unusual
[05:20:40] <Cncmaster> ooh, one off
[05:20:48] <ipatrol> Photoelectric effect, really?
[05:20:56] <Cncmaster> they almost got Greece
[05:21:04] <topaz> really, there's a whole subindustry dedicated to catering to these people
[05:21:12] <{Soap}> List_of_Ben_10_aliens seems OK, only one editor so far vandalzing\
[05:21:31] <{Soap}> so supposedly Greeks can onbly widthdraw Ē60 a day now
[05:21:54] <Cncmaster> I heard something about that.
[05:23:46] <ipatrol> yeah
[05:23:49] <ipatrol> anyway
[05:24:02] <Cncmaster> They all keep suggesting high-traffic semi'd articles
[05:24:08] <ipatrol> 9 trips isn't even an article
[05:24:32] <topaz> they also keep requesting [[Randy Pitchford]] for some reason
[05:25:15] <ipatrol> topaz: is it semi'd?
[05:25:21] <topaz> doesn't appear to be
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[05:25:28] <ipatrol> should be
[05:25:48] <topaz> mostly we don't protect articles, even semi, on hypothetical future vandalism
[05:25:49] <ipatrol> also, the dab [[Roll]] would probably not be a bad idea
[05:26:09] <topaz> it's a good idea not to overstate the risk of 4chan vandalism
[05:26:18] <ipatrol> topaz: when bullets are incoming, you shoot
[05:26:30] <topaz> ipatrol: this is not a war.
[05:26:50] <ipatrol> topaz: no, the point is more to frustrate them into moving on to some other thread
[05:26:50] <topaz> but hey, if you can find an admin willing to semi on that basis, knock yourself out
[05:27:15] <ceradon> Apparently the OP of that thread has administrative rights
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[05:27:23] <ceradon> He's planning on vandalizing
[05:27:29] <topaz> so he claims.
[05:27:34] <Cncmaster> I'd keep an eye on Winrar.
[05:27:41] <{Soap}> hmm?
[05:27:41] <ceradon> And is going to use the excus: He left his laptop on
[05:27:45] <{Soap}> an admin is vandalizing??
[05:27:49] <topaz> in which case why hasn't he started already?
[05:28:30] <{Soap}> maybe he wants others to do the dirty work
[05:28:35] <ipatrol> assuming it's true, someone's head needs to roll tonight
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[05:29:06] <Cncmaster> well, all 4chan threads can be retrieved on a third-party site. it wouldn't be smart to admit that.
[05:29:24] <ipatrol> Dubya just got quads
[05:29:44] <topaz> there it is
[05:29:44] <topaz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minions_(film)
[05:29:55] <Cncmaster> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minions_(film)
[05:30:14] <Cncmaster> watch it
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[05:30:37] <ipatrol> !admin seal up [[Minions (film)]] please
[05:30:56] <{Soap}> im watching it
[05:30:59] <{Soap}> no vandalism yet
[05:31:18] <{Soap}> also cookinmg supper though
[05:31:22] <{Soap}> so i might b e AFK
[05:31:42] <topaz> started
[05:31:44] <Cncmaster> it's starting
[05:31:50] <topaz> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minions_(film)&diff=prev&oldid=670473979
[05:32:16] <Keegan> Done
[05:32:20] <{Soap}> oh ok thanks
[05:32:35] <topaz> Keegan++
[05:32:39] <ipatrol> thank you Keegan
[05:32:58] <Cncmaster> keep an eye out for a new thread
[05:33:43] <ipatrol> and thread has been pruned
[05:33:55] <{Soap}> heh someone accidentally added vandalism afer the porection
[05:33:57] <{Soap}> oh well
[05:34:33] <{Soap}> mistakes happen
[05:34:34] <ipatrol> use the catalog feature to search threads
[05:36:28] <ipatrol> The internet: the latest incarnation of the angry mob
[05:38:11] <Cncmaster> http://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/626545071
[05:38:21] <Keegan> It happens
[05:38:21] <Keegan> After all these years, this kind of thing is still fun? I don't get it.
[05:40:45] <ipatrol> Keegan: it's like schoolkids with a can of spraypaint
[05:41:10] <ipatrol> personally, I think it's stupid
[05:41:12] <Keegan> Yeah but it just seem so played out at this point
[05:41:21] <Keegan> I get it five, ten years ago
[05:41:41] <ipatrol> Keegan: but then one just gets a new crop of schoolkids, or "summers" as they say
[05:42:22] <ipatrol> I think it's stupid myself, but that's in part because I've been with 4chan for a number of years now
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[05:43:55] <{Soap}> lol Boston still has a pile of snow that hasnt melted from last winter
[05:44:03] <ipatrol> their vandalism campaigns were actually the thing that first led me to them, believe it or not
[05:44:11] <ipatrol> {Soap}: {{cn}}
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[05:44:34] <{Soap}> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/07/us/remnant-of-bostons-brutal-winter-threatens-to-outlast-summer.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=MostEmailed&version=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article
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[05:45:01] <{Soap}> large cities try to scoop snow into piles to get it off the streets, apparently piles that are high enough to survive several months of warm weathedr
[05:45:07] <{Soap}> but this one was unusual
[05:45:52] <ipatrol> I'll say
[05:46:06] <ipatrol> needs to be relocated to Arizona or something
[05:47:14] <ipatrol> [[Fat bastard (character)]] just "won"
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[05:50:04] <Cncmaster> looks like only a couple vandals came along
[05:51:03] <Cncmaster> oh, here come more
[05:51:22] <ceradon> ipatrol, link to new thread?
[05:51:34] <ipatrol> ceradon: don't see one yet
[05:51:57] <ipatrol> oh, you mean this one?
[05:52:07] <Cncmaster> https://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/626545071
[05:52:12] <ipatrol> yeah, that one
[05:55:05] <ipatrol> heh, haven't done this in a long time
[05:55:32] <ipatrol> the kind of nostalgia that reminds me of xkcd's comic about distended anuses
[05:55:52] <ipatrol> Feminism got another set of dubs
[05:56:32] <ipatrol> locked, of course
[05:56:40] <ceradon> Locke
[05:56:43] <ceradon> Yeah
[05:57:58] <Cncmaster> thanks for protecting it Keegan
[05:58:02] <Keegan> Yup yup
[05:58:07] <ipatrol> John Locke? :-p
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[06:18:53] <ceradon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement got dubbed to be vandalized.
[06:18:57] <Keegan> [[Fat acceptance movement]] now protected. Anything else?
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[06:19:12] <ceradon> Keegan, you move fast.
[06:19:15] <ceradon> lol
[06:19:42] <Keegan> ceradon: Been here, done this
[06:20:03] <ceradon> How often does this happen?
[06:20:20] <Keegan> I dunno, I'm used to it coming from TV
[06:20:32] <Keegan> 4chan stuff isn't something I know much of anything about
[06:20:33] <Keegan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan/Colbert
[06:20:37] <Keegan> Old school.
[06:21:12] <Aldnonymous> Pffft
[06:21:14] <ceradon> Wow.
[06:21:42] <Aldnonymous> I wish I were a mod on /b/. But I'm not that degenerate... Sadly...
[06:23:13] <{Soap}> this was common like six years ago
[06:23:20] <{Soap}> honestly thought they had given up
[06:23:34] <Aldnonymous> >4chan
[06:23:39] <Aldnonymous> >Ever giving up
[06:23:44] <Keegan> "raids arnt fun any more, i did some vandelizing too an now the page is locked" <~ that's the spirit!
[06:24:00] <Aldnonymous> {Soap} Somebody gonna rickroll you.
[06:24:04] <{Soap}> we even had a bot descigned specifically to scrape 4chan looking for attack threads
[06:23:57] <Keegan> Liechtenstein protected for an hour, I think they're slowing down
[06:23:58] <Aldnonymous> Which is quite funny, since there are quite many wikimedia wiki admins were 4channer.
[06:24:18] <Keegan> Aldnonymous: Allegedly
[06:24:34] <Keegan> For ever 50 4channers claiming to be an admin there was maybe .5
[06:24:41] <Aldnonymous> Keegan : Ask Bsadowski to give you his mods pass on /x/.
[06:24:54] <Aldnonymous> Wait... Bsadowski is our stewards right...?
[06:24:55] <{Soap}> 4chan is a big place
[06:25:09] <Aldnonymous> Oh sh........ we dun goofed...
[06:25:18] <{Soap}> i coudl totally see it being the home of both a host of wikipedia admins and a host of wikipedia vandals
[06:25:50] <Aldnonymous> True.
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[06:29:57] <ceradon> Tha thread is dead, methinks.
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[06:32:12] <ceradon> Keegan: https://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/626545071#p626555877
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[06:32:24] <ceradon> They're pissed.
[06:32:32] <ceradon> Perhaps they'll scurry away now.
[06:33:09] <Keegan> That's pissed? Okay
[06:33:22] <ceradon> Nope. Looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayola is next.
[06:34:35] <Keegan> ...and this is why, ten years in, I'm forever perplexed. I can click three things and all ten of them can do nothing. They plan, I do the same. There is no winning this, only disappointment.
[06:35:18] <Aldnonymous> Keegan if I were them I would do crosswiki disruption not registering my account on loginwiki
[06:35:40] <Keegan> Aldnonymous: You can't not register on loginwiki :P
[06:35:51] <Keegan> All logins go through it. It's why it's called login wiki
[06:35:53] <Keegan> Well
[06:35:57] <Aldnonymous> Keegan you can just API login so you don't have centralauth
[06:35:59] <Keegan> Registering is from actually going there
[06:36:23] <Aldnonymous> see the phab for this problem https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91885
[06:37:03] <{Soap}> theres a glitch?
[06:37:06] <Keegan> Restricted :/
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[06:37:27] <Aldnonymous> That way, stewards can't lock my account, can't be Gblocked, and has to be blocked manually on hundreds of local wikis.
[06:37:42] <{Soap}> lol
[06:37:46] <Aldnonymous> 4channer are that stupid to not exploit this weakness.
[06:37:53] <{Soap}> thats a lot of effort, surely
[06:38:07] <Aldnonymous> Ah Keegan, gonna subscribe you to there now so you can see it,
[06:38:12] <Keegan> Thanks
[06:38:22] <{Soap}> to use somse special obscure method of logging in every single time you visit wikipedia?
[06:38:46] <Aldnonymous> Added your name.
[06:39:00] <Keegan> Aldnonymous: I can see it now, ty
[06:39:27] <Aldnonymous> {Soap} the easiest method would be auto created spam bot without API log in from smartphone/Iphone apps.
[06:40:22] <legoktm> u, what.
[06:40:26] <Aldnonymous> No login.wiki account, no static IP (because IPv6 lol), no limit account can be created per minutes.
[06:40:26] <legoktm> um, what*
[06:40:28] <Keegan> Aldnonymous: Okay, yeah, I've heard of this thing but I'm more familiar with the solutions
[06:41:12] <legoktm> Aldnonymous: first, please don't discuss security bugs in public channels. Secondly, most of what you just said isn't true, and has been fixed.
[06:42:11] <Aldnonymous> Eh, no, still find these bots on many projects, btw hasn't this been discussed publicly on stewards channel legoktm? Anyway sorry.
[06:42:48] <legoktm> Aldnonymous: it was fixed 2? days ago. But it's impossible to create non-SUL accounts, so it can always be locked.
[06:43:37] <Aldnonymous> WHAT? I'm so behind the news.
[06:43:55] <Keegan> All accounts are SUL as of the end of February-ish
[06:44:05] <Keegan> Err, all *new accounts
[06:44:15] <Keegan> All accounts are SUL as of April :P
[06:44:57] <Aldnonymous> legoktm, Keegan, was it also for old account? Will they be forced to have SUL/CA?
[06:45:11] <Keegan> Yes
[06:45:21] <Keegan> All accounts are SUL
[06:45:34] <Aldnonymous> legoktm : this was the problem, non SUL that create their account on big wikis can't be Checkusered.
[06:45:55] <Aldnonymous> And need to be delegated on local CU which is slow.
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[06:47:15] <Keegan> Aldnonymous: see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91885#1436817
[06:48:29] <Aldnonymous> Oh. T91885 is duplicate then?
[06:49:20] <Keegan> Dunno. I'm off.
[06:49:24] <Aldnonymous> Ah that's different, but I see now.
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[06:49:28] <Aldnonymous> Cya Keegan
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[06:50:29] <Aldnonymous> Cool, so Mw Meta and SUL.
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[06:53:12] <MJ94> goodnight
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[07:16:51] <Nahiyan> could anyone close an AfD? the nominator withdrew it
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[07:22:46] <Nahiyan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Port_City_International_University
[07:24:09] <MJ94> Nahiyan: done
[07:25:28] <MJ94> crap. I didn't use the tool right
[07:25:43] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: around?
[07:27:06] <Nahiyan> oh
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[07:28:22] <Nahiyan> thank you!
[07:30:00] <MJ94> Nahiyan: fixed and done
[07:30:07] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: never mind :)
[07:32:35] <Nahiyan> :)
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[08:21:05] <midgetpower> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Story_Never_Told_%28disambiguation%29 <-- Last item.
[08:21:16] <midgetpower> Why is it deleted?
[08:21:31] <midgetpower> I'm trying to figure out if any original footage was used to make that long documentary.
[08:21:47] <midgetpower> Or if it's purely footage taken from stock video and other movies.
[08:22:29] <Sir_Designer> midgetpower from the edit summary, it sounds like it was a horrible nonarticle.  if you can generate a proper one, go for it.
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[08:24:23] <midgetpower> I was disappointed by the fact that it doesn't even have a voiceover.
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[09:48:09] <djr013> I'm looking at a leaked diplomatic cable, wondering if it might be public domain
[09:48:16] <djr013> "This cable was drafted by Amembassy Berlin Labor Counselor Bob Hagen"
[09:48:42] <djr013> https://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/11/06VIENNA3297.html
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[09:49:36] <djr013> covers the founding of the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC)
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[10:13:02] <Sir_Designer> djr013 do they have a Rebel Battle flag?
[10:13:51] <Sir_Designer> djr013 on what bases would stolen property be Public Domain?
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[10:14:19] <djr013> if anything, on the basis that it was created by a US employee in the conduct of his work, and thus not subject to copyright
[10:14:56] <Sir_Designer> perhaps.   but does it automagically become anyone's property?
[10:15:21] <djr013> property is irrelevant here
[10:15:30] <Sir_Designer> a US employee may create passports.  are they all PD if leaked?
[10:15:41] <djr013> yes
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[10:15:53] <Sir_Designer> citation needed etcetera
[10:15:53] <djr013> but they'd be subject to privacy rights
[10:16:07] <Sir_Designer> ditto for the leaked cable
[10:16:19] <djr013> right, I don't care about that, I was asking about copyright
[10:16:39] <Sir_Designer> i don't think it matters.  BLP worries would trum that issue
[10:16:46] <Sir_Designer> p
[10:16:56] <djr013> it's not for a biography
[10:17:00] <Sir_Designer> trump is a 4-letter word
[10:17:21] <Sir_Designer> BLP may apply anyway
[10:19:25] <Sir_Designer> you could say, even redlink biographies need protection
[10:20:09] <Sir_Designer> at any rate you have to let the matter breathe, such as be citable following a Times or Guardian articles
[10:20:48] <djr013> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Use_of_classified_documents
[10:21:10] <Sir_Designer> sorry, I am off to bed.  midwest USA timezone
[10:21:12] <djr013> it's not a controversial cable
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[12:42:15] <___Chess___> damn WMF why u do this
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[15:44:31] <darev> Hello!
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[15:52:17] <CyanoTex> Hey guys, guess what dbrand did to Linus Sebastian (from Linustechtips).
[15:52:50] <CyanoTex> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJVXBuyVAAEWeKP.jpg:large
[15:55:33] <foks> ?
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[16:12:22] <marktraceur> CyanoTex: GAVE HIM A BUNCH OF FREE PHONE CASES
[16:12:25] <marktraceur> That'll show him
[16:12:58] <CyanoTex> Poor Linus.
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[16:29:37] <CyanoTex> I wish this image had the CC-BY-SA license.
[16:29:39] <CyanoTex> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mygadgetic/12966806105/in/photolist-kKQgGv-m4vk6K-oiSCoK-ogenbS-oh8wK7-nJEPLp-p594P7-nzPgKy-npRmnm-nNpRn2-nHsvkV-oC2MMh-o1LLqD-okVivi-oSuxRu-oC37CS-kjj28P-ksZWYi-pomZ6o-nknAGD-nM9P31-mv7fDM-qadgrM-ksYHMv-kLnvEi-kMqJSY-mFA7sa-qeeBq8-uxR6BW-ugFTuE-tBrfr2-kFQLSh-mwyspy-mYpRjy-ohNN9y-rmJH6F-o1vftd-mCRwuP-mt9sLk-q3fqUm-khVpt2-kA63Dg-m5P6Nu-mUAy1t-mZ8uXg-m2mJye-onEp8J-pqoSi
[16:29:40] <CyanoTex> D-oaBpfS-kxh9Qt
[16:29:49] <CyanoTex> =-="
[16:30:05] * CyanoTex should really use goo.gl for shortening long links like that.
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[16:32:06] <CyanoTex> https://tinyurl.com/nokialumiaicon
[16:32:09] <CyanoTex> Okay, there.
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[16:37:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wow
[16:37:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaStatistics
[16:37:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I see a bunch of strange file formats
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[16:50:54] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko all United flights grounded.
[16:51:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer whats so strange about that? :D
[16:52:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Arent they never on time anyways :p
[16:52:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Makes you wonder how these airliners dont go bankrupt if their system is this bad
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[17:22:51] <Josve05a|out> Can we create an edit filter for all edits which include 'illuminati'? :P so much vandalism...
[17:24:42] <Betacommand> Any admins around?
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[17:28:49] <MJ94> Betacommand: o_O aren't you an admin?
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[18:02:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Josve05a|out the illuminati would want that though
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[18:03:38] <Josve05a|out> ToAruShiroiNeko: Would they really? Weren't their club supposed to be secret and not about any kind of "adverising", just new popular myth...
[18:03:48] <Josve05a|out> (typos...)
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[18:23:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Josve05a|out illuminati work in mysterious ways
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[18:23:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they would interfere to give the impresison of non interference
[18:23:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What? It makes more sense than any other illuminati based conspiracy theory.
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[19:16:16] <Qcoder00> Anyoen up for some fun?
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[19:18:58] <Qcoder00> Not own work - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maastricht_1579.jpg
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[19:26:56] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 was tht how William of Orange came into history?
[19:27:11] <Qcoder00> ERm...
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[19:27:17] <Qcoder00> Dutch History isn't my field
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[19:50:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer I actually have an idea
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[19:50:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NYSE and United flights happened to suffer a glitch today
[19:51:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what a coincidence
[19:51:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I wonder if there is a connection?
[19:51:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It comes days after chinese stocks suffered a problem
[19:53:53] <foks> ∆
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[20:30:08] <Jeske_Couriano> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:81.97.141.130 - Little worried that this person may not get it.
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[20:43:39] <Qcoder00> So who is the IP?
[20:43:43] <Qcoder00> And whose the MP?
[20:43:54] <Qcoder00> (Plays tablod news theme)
[20:43:55] <Qcoder00> :(
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[20:44:42] <Qcoder00> Oh dear - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tim_Loughton&diff=prev&oldid=670376446
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[20:52:32] <Qcoder00> Jeske_Couriano:  Good block
[20:52:56] <Jeske_Couriano> I'm not the blocker (not an admin). NeilN extended the block
[20:53:01] <Qcoder00> Hopefully they will have clamed down ( or sought professional legal advice) in a week or so
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[20:56:20] <Jeske_Couriano> Qcoder00 ) They were threatening to call their solicitor, so I expect a lawsuit in the British court system aimed at Wikipedia or its editors soon
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[20:57:00] <Qcoder00> On what grounds?  It's not as if Wikipedians did anything wrong
[20:57:42] <Jeske_Couriano> Qcoder00 ) My guess is libel.
[20:58:27] <Qcoder00> Hmm...
[20:58:43] <Qcoder00> However what the IP added could also be considered problematic
[20:58:59] <Qcoder00> I mean making a serious allegation against an MP is not done lightly
[20:59:15] <Qcoder00> (and is something Wikipedia has had issues with before)
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[21:01:35] <Qcoder00> And the reverted edits do make some very strong claims
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[21:03:31] <Cncmaster> O.o wow
[21:04:17] <Qcoder00> I can understand why they were reverted
[21:04:45] <Cncmaster> "this pathetic website"
[21:04:51] <Cncmaster> "your childish admins"
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[21:05:23] <Qcoder00> Quite
[21:05:26] <geniice> Err these days most of our admins are adults
[21:05:50] <Qcoder00> From reading the history it seems the admins and other contributors were trying to defuse things
[21:06:05] <Jeske_Couriano> He didn't want it defused.
[21:06:06] <Qcoder00> (and having to deal with an angry MP is far worse :( )
[21:06:26] <Jeske_Couriano> MP -> Minister of Parliament, right?
[21:06:32] <Qcoder00> Member
[21:06:40] <Jeske_Couriano> Close enough
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[21:06:51] <Qcoder00> US has Congressmen, UK has MP's
[21:08:11] <Qcoder00> I also get the impression that sometimes admins remove or rvert in order to protect people from themselves?
[21:08:15] <Qcoder00> *revert
[21:08:39] <geniice> well I'm sure if MPs met some of our admins in meatspace things would quickly be resolved
[21:08:48] <Jeske_Couriano> Yes, if it's a serious BLP claim
[21:09:15] <Qcoder00> Which one of the reverted edits semmed to be...
[21:10:10] <Jeske_Couriano> The IP was edit-warring to include the unsourced BLP stuff.
[21:10:59] <Qcoder00> And unlike an MP,  IP editors on a BL)P article don't have "qualified privlige" as I understand it :(
[21:11:08] <Qcoder00> *BLP
[21:11:42] <Jeske_Couriano> I pointed out that we pretty much never cite Parliament or equivalent bodies.
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[21:45:11] <Qcoder00> I would consider Hansard a primary source though
[21:45:24] <Qcoder00> it is the "official" record
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[21:48:14] <Qcoder00> Any admins about?
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[21:59:13] <k6ka> i am officially done with Windows Phone, thanks a lot MS
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[21:59:32] <k6ka> was told to install a "critical" update that fixed the "random phone restart" bug
[21:59:52] <k6ka> well thanks a lot for telling me about an update that refuses to install, MS!
[22:00:07] <k6ka> pestering me about how i'm outdated after that too
[22:00:22] <nonsenseferret> why refuse to install
[22:01:05] <k6ka> the reason MS gave me was "not enough storage space," which was ludicrous because I had 4.5 GB available
[22:01:23] <nonsenseferret> is that on a card or on the phone memory tho
[22:01:33] <k6ka> phone memory, my phone doesn't support an external SD card
[22:01:49] <k6ka> that's what I get for listening to a salesperson
[22:01:58] <nonsenseferret> sometimes available memory isn't quite as available as it seems
[22:02:47] <k6ka> well, i tried everything, down to resetting my phone completely (good thing I backed up)
[22:03:03] <nonsenseferret> what version of WP is on your phone
[22:03:06] <k6ka> 8.1
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[22:06:11] <nonsenseferret> so even after copying everything off your phone and resetting it? what was the free spacethen?
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[22:17:16] <Sir_Designer> k6ka welcome to the Apple ecosystem family, brother/sister.  Where things just work., much of the time, erm, erm,
[22:17:17] <k6ka> nonsenseferret: 4.5 GB, my bad. before resetting it was 3GB
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[22:20:46] <nonsenseferret> i was ready to throw out my WP until i got v8.1, now i think it suits me
[22:21:32] <k6ka> yeah, 8.1 was actually a significant improvement
[22:21:50] <k6ka> but it was also when the "phone random shutoff" bug appeared, at least in my experience
[22:22:14] <k6ka> i did find a way to counter this bug, and that was by restarting my phone on a daily basis
[22:22:31] <nonsenseferret> what is the bug? the phone switches itself off? which make have you got
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[22:24:40] <k6ka> yeah, pretty much
[22:25:08] <k6ka> it's a bug in the OS from what i hear, as most WP users have experienced that bug at least once
[22:25:18] <nonsenseferret> i've never seen it
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[22:26:13] <k6ka> hmm, it used to happen to me constantly until i started restarting it manually
[22:26:31] <Qcoder00> k6ka:  Restting the phone each day?  Yet anothe MS inpvation from the Dekstop brought to Mobile
[22:26:33] <Qcoder00> XD
[22:27:06] <nonsenseferret> when was the last time you used a desktop windows pc Qcoder00, the 90s?
[22:27:12] <k6ka> yes, Microshaft Winblows Fone is trully inpvative
[22:27:57] <Qcoder00> nonsenseferret:  I don't use Linux yet
[22:28:33] <nonsenseferret> I can measure the uptime of desktops in months
[22:29:04] <k6ka> welp, i did that with my old Vista PC
[22:29:08] <k6ka> and the power supply died
[22:29:27] <k6ka> actually was a blessing though, the thing made me rip my hair out
[22:29:40] <k6ka> so i'm happy it's dead
[22:30:23] <nonsenseferret> it was ok for a nearly 10 year old OC
[22:30:24] <nonsenseferret> OS
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[22:30:31] <Josve05a|out> natuur12: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Restaurant_%26_Bar_Design_Awards ... "This is for inline usage on article pages only." Please use another OTRS-template
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[22:42:04] <natuur12> Which one?
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[22:43:59] <natuur12> never mind
[22:44:08] <Josve05a|out> that works
[22:46:07] <natuur12> I wonder is this company is notable but meh, not my problem :p
[22:46:35] <natuur12> or award.
[22:46:48] <Josve05a|out> probl. not, but it is a draft and everybody has the right to create and submit one
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