Directory talk:Croatia

Notes

• It is believed that Hrvat in medieval times was pronounced "Hrovat".
• Discovered In 1853 Χορούαθ[ος], Χοροάθος, Χορόαθος- Horoúathos, Horoáthos, and Horóathos (originally 3rd century AD-Tanais Tablets)
• Branimir's inscription c. 880: Croatorum (Latin)
• Baska tablet c.1100 AD: HR'VAT'SKI

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• Byzantines-Eastern Roman Empire (i.e. Procopius-Byzantine scholar, Jordanes- 6th century Roman bureaucrat) c. 550 Σκλαβῖνοι- Sklabenoi
• Latin: Sclaveni

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Some time after the collapse of independent state (Regnum Chroatorum) in 1102 the political power within the Provence was transferred from Dalmatia to the Zagreb region (further inland). Zagreb today is the capital of modern Croatia.

Editors Note (maybe)

Duke Branimir 880s, spoke old Slavic Chakavian from the Dalmatian hinterland. Mr Branimir is, I believe, the first Croatian. His tribe, the old Slavic Chakavian speakers, are the first Croatians (Hrvati or more accurately Hrovati). The early medieval Western Balkans must had have multiple Slavic ethnic tribes. It appears that their history has not been recorded. From a Greco-Roman perspective they were all identified as Slavs. The Slavs found themselves living in a medieval multi-ethnic region. It was the most powerful chieftains who were leaders and they left a mark on history. The old language groups could (now refereed to as dialects) still reflect the many Slavic tribes who invaded Roman Dalmatia.

• Old medieval Chakavian
• Old medieval Kajkavian dialect
• Old medieval Shtokavian dialect

(it is important to stress old medieval here)

When the Serbian forces were annihilated in the Battle of Kosovo by the Ottoman Empire in 1389 a large group of peoples stated to migrate westward. The Western Balkans started to acquire new people in its region (i.e., Croatians, Serbs, Albanians, Greeks, Turks & others), thus creating new ethnic mixes. The Ottomans themselves got to Vienna itself. During the 15th and 16 centuries the old Slavic tribal borders changed forever. In the 19th century language standardisation entered in the mix (lets not forget Latin, Romance Dalmatian, Old Venetian, Hungarians (Magyars) & Turkish).

The politics of language standardisation is the issue at heart here. The question should be ask did the 19th century scholars do their job properly or was it all about the politics of the future super 19 century Southern Slavic State.

Other important question to ask is how far back does one go in proclaiming Croatian nationhood? In the past the Yugoslav Communist party, Pan-Slavists and the Croatian Nationalistic movements have taken this to extremes. These Pan-Slaviic, Nationalistic and Communist ideologies have created so much pain, destruction and falsehoods by clinging to these false beliefs.

For example does a seventh generation Australian with British background start saying in modern Australia that he is a Saxon and starts a nationalistic movement to assert his beliefs upon others.